“Great Americans” (w/ Tina Fey) - Bowen’s Pick for Best of 2024

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Hello, it's Bowen. I, for my episode, had to choose Great Americans with Tina Fey for our year-end roundup.
For reasons that go without saying, this was recorded the day after

Iowa Debrey's episode of SNL that she hosted.

And that's context for what we talk about up top

in terms of that night feeling like a bell house night

in terms of us being with all of our friends

and celebrating each other and celebrating Iowa.

And then it was so nice to have the next day

be a debrief with the one and only Tina Fey herself

to hear her perspective on this.

She's obviously someone we look up to

and also someone who, you know,

KID to have the next day be a debrief with the one and only Tina Fey herself to hear her perspective on this. She's obviously someone we look up to and also someone who, you know, came up with her coterie of people in comedy in Chicago and New York.
And of course, it all culminates in, gosh, the number one single greatest I don't think so, honey, of all time. Of course, it's I don't think so, honey, Bowen Yang for sharing his real opinions on movies on this podcast.
It all ends with that famous line, authenticity is dangerous and expensive. A lesson that I have learned over and over again this year is I'm sure you have as well.
It's a pretty universal axiom at this point. It applies to all of us, but this was so much fun.
We got to talk theme parks. We got to talk old TV and everything great about Tina and everything great about the culture.
She really is the North Star for us. And it was so, so, so fun to have her on.
She was so good on this episode that even Vanity Fair named her, I don't think so, honey, as one of the best performances of 2024. We couldn't agree more.
Here it is, Great Americans with Tina Fey. Look Matt! Where? Oh, I see! Oh my! Bowen, look over there!

Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.
Wow. Las Culturistas.
Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. Back in tactile.
Tactile position. Talk to us about the mozzarella stick numbers that you were working on.
So I don't know why this was the answer to how I should end my night, but I get home. It's 3.30 in the morning.
I get stoned and order mozzarella sticks bad because I know I have to wake up at let's say 10 to sort of mentally prepare and, you know, cleanse myself, really physically prepare for the podcast today. And last night I'm ordering my mozzarella sticks and I see it says six mozzarella sticks.
And in my mind, that's not enough. And then this morning, when everything sort of settles, you think you didn't need one.
That's the devil's math with mozzarella sticks. But I feel it.
Six feels like nothing, right? I think six is more than enough. Well, yeah.
I order mozzarella sticks. This is the last time I ordered mozzarella sticks was at Alamo Drafthouse.
What? Watching the boy and the heron. And I had to leave in the middle because of work call.
Of a work call? Is that what you call violent shit? It was not. What? Because I know you.
The second we both went in here today, we both ran to the bathroom and I know what that was. No, no, no.
It was a mozzarella sticks It was a work call. Okay.
This is all to say I got six and I only finished four. That's a huge brag and an insult to me.
No. It was ravenous last night for them.
But last night was very celebratory. It really was.
It was very nice. Io did great.
What an unbelievable performance she had. Very, very fun.
I mean, I think about between 12 and 15 people said this and it just kind of

kept getting kicked around.

But this is like

the bell house.

This is like the bell house.

But it really was.

It felt like a celebration.

It was very nice.

We made it.

Proud of her.

Now,

what was your review

of the Countess Cabaret?

I'm still,

I still have the shakes.

Not because,

not necessarily

because of the talent,

but she was great.

The Countess Luann

as 54 Below was,

she certainly has star quality.

But there's something

that happens

where she steps on

Thank you. Not necessarily because of the talent, but she was great.
The Countess Luann as 54 Below, she certainly has star quality. But there's something that happens where she steps on stage and sort of everyone looks at each other and you go, we're getting blacked out.
We're all drinking so much tonight. I asked you, was it like going to the Disney World character breakfast? It was not unlike that.
It was like seeing Goofy come out while you're eating a Mickey-shaped pancake. Well, let's say Minnie Mouse.
Let's be kind. Mini.
I was not unlike that it was like seeing Goofy come out while you're eating a Mickey shaped pancake well let's say Minnie Mouse let's be kind Minnie let's not say Goofy comes out okay okay oh no no keep that in he's gonna want you to take that out that's not what I was saying Lou if you're watching if you're listening you're just saying Lou had the impact of Goofy yes yeah yeah yeah not anything to do with the air gets sucked out right 100% like when Goofy walks in the room it's like Nicole Kidman in the Chanel No. 5 commercial by Baz Luhrmann.
It's just like that. You know the commercial I'm talking about.
I think so. Speaking of fragrances, I want you to smell me right here and tell me what it is.
Okay, go. You know what this is.
Byredo. No, it's Axe.
Oh. Yesterday I said to Bowen, I'm like, I have no deodorant in New York.
I don't know what happened. My New York apartment has no deodorant.
And my mother was like, I want to get you something for Christmas. I said, don't I don't want anything.
She goes, OK, I'll get you a bunch of little small things. Ten acts deodorants, which is both a trigger to like high school locker room and also quite out of fashion.
But that is like the timeless, enduring thing about suburban life is that you're never more than a half a mile away from an axe. From an axe body spray.
Especially from Long Island. That's like a big culture.
No. Axe body spray.
Yes. And so I do.
I am walking around and it's sort of like a little bit of heaven, a little bit of hell. I am a little triggered.
But also, it's horny. It's horny.
That's why I wanted you to smell me, to get you horned up for the episode. Speaking of getting horned up.
Speaking of horny. Speaking of horny, I think everyone's horny for, well, first of all, Restless Leg Tour.
We're talking 11 days at the Beacon? 11 days at the Beacon? 11 nights at the Beacon. Well, I mean, yeah, my surprise.
I'm like, well, of course. Well, of course.
And it's the beacon. And so if you're in New York, I think they're all sold out, but kind of elbow your way in.
Are you going to sign the wall? I hope so. Yes.
Yes. And I mean, obviously, if you guys want to come.
Oh. When is it? Well, I guess there's 11 days.
It's the 7 through the 19th 19th thank you for doing the math real quick I did the math and 18th 18th okay wait now we have to officially bring her in because that can't be the entrance hold on hold on that was so weak no no not weak Girls 5 have us coming back on Netflix okay thank fucking god because I had been wondering about that It's coming. Oh.
March is going to be a big month for humanity. And Mean Girls the Musical, of course, the movie.
Oh, we're not calling it the musical. I'm sorry.
No, we're calling it Mean Girls 2024. We're calling it Mean Girls 2024.
Which I texted you about it. I said 10 times.
I said it's called Mean Girls 2024. Mean Girls, eighth note in the negative space where the A is.
Do you know what's funny? This person created and started our favorite movie and our favorite show. Yeah.
And I'm not even talking about Saturday Night Live which also is in the top two of favorite shows on the 30 Rock. Oh, for sure.
Can you imagine, just go back in time and tell us in 2016 when we started this that Tina Fey is going to be on the podcast. I said Tina Fey is going to be on the podcast.
You know what I thought in the shower this morning? I thought, What did you think in the shower? Where you do your best thinking? This is where I thought Worldwide Pants took down

all of the Tina Fey

on Letterman interviews

and those were my fucking

comfort watches in college.

Seth told you though

that you could find it

somewhere else.

I think Seth lied.

Liar.

Why'd they take them down?

I think Letterman wants

to protect his content.

I don't know.

Oh, I see.

I can't possibly begin

to understand.

And then also,

I mean, so many things. You love her.
You really love this person so much, don't you? I'm talking to you, the... The royal you.
The royal you. Everyone welcome.
Tina Fey! Hello, gentlemen. Hello.
And they applauded the crew. Hello! By the way, this episode is directed by Christopher Nolan.
It's Oppenheimer the film. It's crazy.
A lady needs a lot of lights. And the gentlemen need a lot of lights.
Blow out the Countess Lou from my face. Please, please.
Are you familiar with the Countess Lou? Yes, that is the original sort of Real Housewives New York era. That was my era.
I once chased Countess Lou Anne down the street on the Upper West Side because I was so, I was like, she's on the Upper West Side. Yeah, that's major.
I was in front of that restaurant West that used to be there and I was like, I were, and I basically was like, I was like, Countess, and I was like, I work at NBC too. I'm a Universal girl.
We also work for Universal. Yeah, we brushed elbows at the up front.
So wait, when you were watching Roni, like were you, were you sort of, were you sort of like, I'm Bethany, like I'm like with her. Well, first of all, no, I'm not Bethany.
No way, no way. Thank you.
No, I used to watch, that season one, I used to really love like season one, you guys were probably in middle school because it was before nobody was aware, no one was like working the camera yet, nobody was, and it was just really, I just wanted just wanted to see people's apartments I get it I wanted to see their apartments and make judgments and I didn't need them to be fighting about stuff no I just wanted and so who was it was oh you know who I was obsessed with at that time was Alex McCord yeah oh bless that was essentially had the show gone in a different direction which was we just watched these people live their crazy lives and it wasn't as conflict-driven, she would have been the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
But I think because people gravitated towards fighting. That's so funny, though, because I think Architectural Digest home tours have scratched the itch or taken over that little fascination we have of people's homes, and that's fully been supplanted.
Right, and Zillow. Just be like like just go on Zillow and look in apartments.
100%. But I remember when she was redoing her Brooklyn townhouse and Jill Zarin came over and she's like we're restoring this banister and she was like honey you don't have to save everything that's not a good banister.
And Jill Zarin oh my god Jill Zarin she was incredible. Yeah who else was in that original? Ramona.
Ramona. I just recently picked, for some reason, this was on, it was the fashion show episode where Ramona walked with those crazy eyes and Jill is just dragging and just like killing it in the front row.
Comedically. Comedically, totally.
She was really on fire. Yeah.
They kind of, by like their second season, so this was not the phenomenon back then either, but it wasn't this thing where like they saw themselves for the first time on TV and then they got the work done. Yeah.
Just like facially. Which happens to everyone.
I mean, you see yourself on TV and you go, oh no. Oh yeah, breakdown.
Oh no, what are we going to do about this? You're like, that's my face all the time. Yeah.
People see my face as that. Yeah.
Speaking of Universal, do you have any thoughts about this epic universe announcement? Yeah, because we know you're a Disney gay like us. Well, listen, I'm going to check it out.
Yeah. My instinct, my gut instinct is, oh, honey, it's SNL, Mad TV.
Uh-huh. That there's not, the tastemaker at the core.
You're right. Defines the thing, right? And so, Walt Disney is Lauren.
But I'll go. Yeah, yeah.
You're going to go and we all love we like Mad TV and there are amazing things at Mad TV and amazing hilarious people came out of Mad TV but there just wasn't that unifying core sure yeah totally well what if I told you this so one of the announcements they said was that there's gonna be a Frankenstein ride and the star of the pre-show is victoria frankenstein the great granddaughter of dr victor frankenstein but is that the diablo cody movie that's coming i conflated those last week okay a lot of girl boss frankenstein's happening right now in the culture we have to differentiate universal's trying to use that i'm just saying the universal monsters catalog in fun ways and i'm enjoying that yeah if you went in there and said i'll play dr victoria frankenstein you first of all you'd book immediately 17 shows a week 17 nine minute shows a week every day you wouldn't even do the pre-show yeah you should you should do a cue that's what we mean the cue a cue i mean listen is in my heart of hearts, am I holding out for a Disney queue? Of course. Did I, at one point, try to volunteer, me and Amy Poehler, to do Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton for the Hall of Presidents, and they were like, we're good? Oh, my God.
Well, I only volunteered it to my friend who's like the guy. I didn't call it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. To Sam.
Sam! Oh, by the way, Sam is a huge part of our life now, too. Oh, my God.
That makes me so happy. We went there.
He loves you. I love him.
I know. You can tell it's a special relationship.
It really is. The Disney relationship is a special relationship and that's actually real culture number 88.
The Disney relationship is a special relationship. God bless Sam because Sam took us on guard into the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind no less than seven times.
Which is not medically advisable. No.
Have you done it? Yes. It's beautiful.
But I'm an age where I can do it once. Also, you don't not see a lot of protein spills outside Guardians.
Oh, 100%. And just for clarity, that is vomit.
Well, I've become that girl that's like, when the part of the ride that makes people nauseous comes up, I'm like, keep looking at the planet. Keep looking at the planet.
Don't look to the side. You're going to fuck yourself up.
And people don't really listen. You have your strategies.
Yeah, I have my strategies. Yeah.
Well, I knew this about all of us that we shared this. And that's why I bring it up.
And that's why now, correct me if I'm wrong. You've been on the avatar flight of passage, right? Of course.
Don't you think that should be him in the pre-show? 100%. Just explaining what the banshees are.
You have the scientific gravitas to carry that pre-show through I don't want us to fully Raise the middle finger To that guy though It's not about him This is about you This is about what's best for you To be in that pre-show He did fine The guy that cute And I don't know if this is A true story Or a story that I Made up for myself Either way But I feel like Someone else was supposed To shoot that And then, and something went wrong and they were like, you have to do it. You made that up.
Yeah, I think you made that up. Here's who'll know.
Sam. Oh, 100%.
Isn't it great to have a resource? Yes. The Disney relationship is a special relationship.
You go to that person for information like this. Can I tell you a deep Disney nerdery thing? 100%.
If it interests you, I could try to get you in on this. Let's do it.
Okay, so have you ever done a voice at Pixar? A voice at Pixar? No. That's an oversight that needs to happen.
Okay, good. Sure.
Okay. I think it's an oversight.
Famously you have. I got lucky enough to do one.
But so the guy, Pete Docter, who runs Pixar, super nice guy, legend, the kindest, lovelveliest man and he invited me in on this super nerdy thing that sometimes they do where they have they I guess they used to do it in person during the pandemic they were doing it over zoom where they just have literally like someone found a case of like weird b-roll building the park footage and they just play it like they haven't seen it and it's just like from like 1971 we're building the haunted mansion and it's just like raw footage of nothing but like guys working and then there's experts on who like they're all these imagineers who are talking about what it is and then they they just drink really and it's amazing and because it happens on the west coast yeah if you're watching it east coast it's like starting it's like two in the morning and you put your laptop in your bed wow but it's so cool that was my dream like until i found out it was mostly science and math and you had to actually there's a lot of engineering there's a lot of engineering otherwise the people fly off and then exactly yeah a hundred percent we need to reconnect with sam oh sam was lovely sam was really sam is a tour tour guide at Disney who is an icon and a legend

and this is a big

shout out to him

he's a great American

he's a great American

he's a great American

and then he said

he was coming to see

you and Amy

was it

he came to DC

he came like

the first weekend

how have the shows been

what's that like

the shows are so fun

I do hope you'll come

to the Beacon

I want to come

yeah please come

Bowen's like

I'm gonna stay quiet

I'm coming

we have the best time

it's the two of us

I'm going to go quiet. I'm coming.
We have the best time. It's the two of us.
We take you on a little journey if we can. And we usually always have like one special friend show up.
And we go to these cities. People are so lovely to come see us.
And then we stay at a nice hotel. And I've said this before, but it is like we get up.
Like the other night, I really did text Amy before a show before a show and I was like right before we went out she was on the other side of the stage was like I'm getting excited about going to sleep because we do like we have so much fun like I'm also learning like I love the part where we do the show and I was like I guess some people go on tour because they want to party after the show or whatever or they want to hook up and I was like I like, I like the part where we do the show. And sometimes if we have a new thing and it works, I'm like that works.
And then I go home and I wash my face and I like stand in silence facing a wall. Like I'm like a little robot.
Yeah. You leave, like you let yourself like charge.
And I'm like satisfied. But I think this is just a function of like time.
And I will say for Matt and I, it's exceptional if we go out after the show. I mean, even yesterday, like we were in Bowen's dressing room, like, and Bowen comes in.
He's like, all right. So the after party and we were all were like at the same time, like, we don't know.
We don't know. It might be a quick drink.
They were hung over from Luann. So hung over from Luann.
I had a 19-hour day. But you guys look good.
That's the difference. You still look really good.
I put on concealer because the cameras today. You put on concealer today? Because the cameras, because I'm inches away from people.
I love it. If I knew how to do my own concealer, I would do it.
Is it as simple as da-da-da? Kind of. I don't know.
I tried to do my makeup today, and I probably will see this and be like, oh, it was like coming from a matinee of playing Mrs. Lovett.
Did you see Sweeney Todd? You did. I didn't get to.
My husband went. I didn't get to see.
I was touring. Oh, right.
I tried to use that Rare Beauty blush, which is great, but it's so pigmented that then I do it and I'm like, I'm either looking great or Baby Jane. Or just Mrs.
Lovett. It's Baby Jane.
Baby Jane. It's Betty.
Have you been been have you checked in on the new feud I haven't watched it yet but I think I will I don't watch every part of the Murphyverse but that one I'm like you might get me I do feel I was like okay the PR is over time because there's so many articles now about I was like are we this is really what we're this is top of top of every paper, but it does seem interesting. It is a lot of fun to watch just because of the, like, atmosphere of it all.
I will say the entire story of it is just, well, you know, Truman Capote befriended these women and then he wrote an article and they never spoke to him again, and that's literally it. So I'm kind of interested to see how it's going to be a whole limited series because even in the first episode, you get it.
Like, they're not talking to him anymore. Right.
But then I'm thinking, like, maybe every episode will be, like, a bottle-ish episode and be getting more into the specifics of who these women were, which is going to be great. I need more Calista, though, at this moment.
I got three different line reads of Demi Moore calling Tom Hollander a venomous faggot. Yeah, she, with her whole chest, gets to say a slur, and it's really fun to watch her just let it rip.
They really let Demi go for it. Yeah.
And she goes for it. Yes, yeah.
And I loved it. Well, I do think that is, you know, that he is giving these actresses, like, he's making people's phones ring.
Yeah. Who maybe their phone wasn't ringing that much.
Molly Ringwald. Yeah.
Like, her phone rang off the hook for this. And you know what Molly Ringwald has been doing in the meantime? Translating French books.
Translating French books. Yes, yes.
Okay. Lie with me.
It's a really sad gay French novel. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's really smart. She's very good.
I believe that. No, she's incredible.
Yeah. She's a very, she's a great American.
Well, one of my obsessions at this moment is Chloe Sevigny, now that this has all been happening. Yes.
And apparently Chloe simply broke down on the day where she had to shoot with Molly Ringwald because that was how much she meant to her. Yeah.
I didn't know that. Uh-huh.
Oh, that's so sweet. And Chloe, who's like the coolest, like you would imagine is like very unbothered about the whole thing.
Yep. Actually, in interviews, like I watched her on Jimmy the other night and she's very like, like y'all.
Like y'all. She's like, like everybody, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's like, I cry, cry,

I break down to Molly Ringwald just like you, me,

and everyone else.

Yeah.

That's the shared,

I guess,

American experience.

Yes.

I'm kind of tying this back

to a national sort of narrative.

Well, she also was like,

they did this thing

because like, you know,

she's obviously a fashion icon,

Chloe,

and they were like,

looking back at all of her

like iconic looks

because she was like that fashion girl.

She had nothing nice to say about anything she ever wore.

She's like, oh, this, no, this, no, this, no.

And I was like, maybe that's what makes her such an icon.

She also needs to keep looking.

She didn't just find a uniform and stick with it.

She was like never satisfied.

Never.

Have we found our uniforms?

This is your uniform.

Sure. Okay.
This is a cream collared, long-sleeved collared. You're good at like a strong basic.
Is it a knit? Is it a sweat? It's a sweat. It's like a It's a sweatshirt.
Yeah, it's good. I don't know if this is the uniform.
It's the glasses. It's the...
I mean, yeah. That's it.
You've changed your glasses, though. In the last year, yeah.
Yesterday yeah yesterday i had my contacts in for the show and then they had to audition different pairs of glasses for the sketch and then one of them had an actual prescription in them and i was like oh this one has a prescription in them and then my dresser audrey was like laughing and she was like keenan earlier had the same thing happen to him and he said there's medicine in me there's medicine there's medicine there's medicine in these glasses by the way Kenan Thompson

and I'm not

and I

I and he said, there's medicine in me. There's medicine.
There's medicine in these glasses. By the way, Kenan Thompson, and I'm not, and this is perfect, but this is truly like an apropos thing for me this week where he was up until 4 a.m.
with us shooting the sketch. Just rallying everybody, keeping the morale up, like getting everybody out of like the 4 a.m.
overnight shoot,

like doldrums or whatever.

Team captain vibes.

What a treasure.

And again,

as we continue to make

the list of great Americans,

who do we have so far?

We have Sam Loomis,

Kenan,

who was somebody in between.

Chloe Sevigny?

Molly Ringwald.

Oh, Molly Ringwald.

Sorry, Chloe.

I mean,

Chloe.

You're a great New Yorker.

Yes.

Yes.

Amazing New Yorker.

Top 20 New Yorkers. Top 20 New Yorkers.ers absolutely up there with hamilton up there with hamilton and do you have any thoughts about what she has said i guess in a rolling stone thing about how new york is all lululemon and dogs too many dogs but you're a as a recent dog owner yes what do you make of this like and as someone who's been in new york minute yes are there too many dogs I haven't noticed anything there's a lot of dogs I mean I don't go I don't go to like the dog park and that kind of stuff yeah I have I have people that do that um my dogs poop inside every single day oh really oh they're they're a mess consistent places sometimes I'm like guys I'm I'm the queen of Versailles.
I can't have this. No.
And the dogs are like, we haven't watched that. No.
Have you watched the series, Queen of Versailles? No, someone just told me about this. I will watch it.
I did recently rewatch the original. Excellent movie.
Fascinating, incredible. Yeah.
The series is a little bit of a cheapened version, I'll say. I'll say that on the record.
Because like all documentaries, not all, but a lot of great documentaries, they started thinking it was going to be about one thing, and then it changes. That usually is exciting and a doc.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's that like the most famous example of that is probably The Jinx, right? The Jinx.
The Jinx and also Capturing the Freedmen's. Oh, yeah.
Have you ever seen that? I don't think I've ever seen it. Oh, yeah.
Well, first of all, because it's supposed to be about this guy who's a party clown and then it turns out that he has this dark family history and they follow that but you know that Silly Billy the party clown used to play the SNL holiday party up on 17 he would come and do like party clown stuff like when I was a writer when like Norm Macdonald's son would be there that era so I saw the doc and I was like that's oh my oh my God, that silly Billy. Oh no, silly Billy's family.
Oh, now we know. So no.
Did the party. He was not.
What do you mean he did the party? There used to be a little, you know what it was they would have when the tree lighting was happening. Yes, yes, yes.
They'd have bagels and stuff and people would bring their kids. Oh, they would bring their kids to that.
Some people would bring, you know why? Because Lauren's kids were little. That's why.
That that's why there are no children about yeah it's just the bagels and it's like the meetings happening like your sketch might get picked it might not it's like there's a lot of weird touch but then the lighting is always a beautiful moment it's a nice moment but we were talking you asked about new york and has does new york have too many dogs probably does it have too much lululemon i mean it's a mix in my neighborhood it's a mix of like there's a lmon and then everything else is vacant. Yeah.
I guess I'm in LA most of the time where it's just all dogs. And so I just kind of accepted that me not having one is I'm wrong.
And I should get one. I also like, now I'm starting to feel a little guilty that I don't have one.
Do you remember when I hosted that dog grooming? I hosted a dog grooming competition show called Hot Dog. H-A-U-T-E.
Excellent. And there was a day,

there was a day where it was like rescue dog day.

And they made me hold one of these dogs

and give a direct to camera.

Like, don't you want to save a life?

Like, how would you feel to know

that you could have saved a life if you didn't?

And then I like handed the dog back

and I was like, okay, see you guys later.

And then I felt bad.

It was like, we need to help.

We need to help.

The message, that was the help. Yeah.
The PSA was the help. I did my thing.
I can be fun uncle to these dogs, actual children. Yeah.
I'm ready for parenthood with the dogs though. With the dogs.
You want one. Well, he would be a great dog owner.
But I can't do it with the schedule. Because no one brings their dog to SNL.
Oh, people bring their dogs to SNL. That would be a bridge too far.

Oh, there's a couple people, but it's fine.

They stay in the dressing room?

They stay in the dressing room, or sometimes they'll bring them out.

It's okay. That's a different world.

Yeah, would never have flown?

No. No, no.

I don't think so. Yeah, yeah.

Right now, I think post-pandemic, we're all like,

we've had a rough couple years. Let everyone have what they need.
Let's make sure everyone's fine. Which I culturally must feel wild.
I remember, this just comes with starting out there. No matter who you are, no matter what job it is.
If you start out there, it is always hard. And it is always a cultural adjustment.
But I just remember a time, like pre-ppandemic where i was just like oh i was terrified every day every day i was shaking just just to be there just to be there um and yeah i would have never thought yeah i went there i was 97 when i went there and i mean that i see with clarity now like the 90. Like rough, rough, rough.
In what sense? What do you mean? Like kindness was not in fashion. Oh, no.
And it would get worse from there. And no mental health was like, what? Yeah.
What is that? What are you talking about? And that's why everyone ended up with some form of like temporary kind of OCD and you know, but even just when you look back at, you just look back at like 90s Letterman interviews. Yeah, totally.
And you're like, oh my gosh, he's just like haranguing a teenager. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And we were like, ha ha ha. Yeah, you got her.
That dumb slut. He got her.
Exactly. That was the culture.
That 55 year old man told that dumb teenager will never be the same after that well but like the Paris Hilton thing I still I mean it's rough like I don't like celebrate that interview necessarily yeah it is incredible and it's Letterman being the most Letterman in the best not the best way but in a way that you're like itman. And then, I've talked about this before.
It was the thing that Anna Dresden and I watched and we're like, so I guess the iceberg should be like, I want to talk about this thing and not talk about this other thing. Yes.
You know what I mean? We modeled it after that interview specifically. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We watched that. We were like, okay, so like.
I just want to talk about my thing. I just want to talk about my other thing.
Yeah. But it was like, that was the 90s too.
It was like really fucking making you squirm a bit. And there just were so many things.
Even people like, have you seen that? Again, these are all people that I, you know, hold nothing against them. But like there's some old Conan clip where the lady from Melrose Place is on.
Heather Locklear? No. Oh gosh.
Someone else. The other blonde lady.
That guy. Courtney Thorne Smith.
Courtney Thorne Smith. Thank you so much.
First of all, thanks for putting that in the atmosphere. Thank you.
I believe it's Courtney Thorne Smith. And I forget.
Maybe it's like, I don't know if it's Conan one side and Norm on the other side or something. And they're just like doing a bit, like some kind of bit that she looks really hot or whatever.
And she's just trying to tell her story from whatever it is, the pre-interview of like a funny thing that happened to her. And it's like two maniacs on either side of her.
And you're just like, oh yeah, we're not doing that anymore. 100%.
But at the time it was like, ha ha ha. Yeah.
And those are like, Conan is a lovely, kind, involved, intelligent person. We all were, I should probably try to think of a story that I tell on myself instead of like...
We were just hard. We were hard people.
Well, we had Seth Myers on the show probably about a month ago and he was saying that the best time, he felt like the winning season was probably like 2008, 2009. Obviously, when you were honest, Sarah returned.
Do you feel that way too? Well, I feel like that was a crazy good time. And Seth was head writer and was doing a great job.
And the world wasn't as dark. And yeah, for me, I felt like that was my like prayer for Owen Meany moment where I was like, was I born to look like this lady? I guess so.
But now it all seems so gentle. Yeah.
I was there. I remember I was literally there.
I remember one of the coolest ones was it was the I guess weekend update Tuesday or Wednesday they would add those things and I was at the time a standby person I would wait all the time and so someone at the line was like yeah they actually give us tickets they give us tickets to the Thursday thing. So here you go.

And it was you, Will Ferrell, and I guess Daryl Hammond, right?

Like doing.

And he was doing Bush and stuff.

Yep.

I think I remember that was the one that my parents were like, that was a little too far.

They were because they're Republicans.

Right, right, right.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

That was a little too far?

I forget what, I don't remember what the jokes were.

Right.

They were on board told that.

And then they got back on board. It wasn't a rift.
They forgave. Everybody has been there.
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And I had researched the improv group at NYU in April of senior year of high school. And I'm reaching out to the Facebook page, throwback, and I messaged the Facebook page.
When do you guys hold auditions? Does it work against me if I'm not in Tisch? If I'm just a science major? Does it work against me if I'm not in Tisch? I know. I remember the feeling.
And then the person who answered me was Anna Dresden. She was like, hey.
So funny. She's so funnyically there was something about that and then she was like don't worry good luck with your mini-fidge rentals like bye and then auditioned for the improv group made it to the final round and then I was like I really hope I get this got the email from Anna Dresden saying we're so sorry oh fuck we were floored by everybody pleaseored by everybody.
Please start your own groups. We shouldn't be the only game in town, blah, blah, blah.
Game in town being NYU. The only improv group at NYU.
I was like, okay, licking my wounds. My sister had gone out.
I had the apartment to myself. It was Saturday.
Michael Phelps episode of SNL. Tina and Amy were just going on as Hillary and Sarah.
I get the call during the cold open live from Anna being like, we made a mistake. We talked about it.
Just kidding. We're taking on two people and you're in the group.
And then it was like this crazy shift. Like something like.
The culture decided to be good. No, no, no.
It was just. It's going to be a're good.
It's going to be a good time. The trajectory was like, perturbed in like, the best way for me possible.
It was a little ricochet. But like, you were like, the fact.
I caused it. You caused it.
And no matter what, you were like. And Amy didn't.
It was just me. It was you.
It was you. But anyway, that's what I like, will always fondly remember.
Not that you. Oh, that's a great memory.
That's a great memory. Okay, but is this the thing then? Like, starting at SNL when you did or coming back, whatever the after-party culture is at any given time, is that informing what you and Amy do after the show? Where you're like, let's just go to bed.
Oh, no. I mean, we used to.
I mean, when we were at SNL, we used to go out until I had my first child. And then I would sometimes begrudgingly go out and be like, you have to sit with Lauren.
I'd be like,'m at that stage but I'm childless I'm a childless yeah but we used to go but I never was an after after that was always I'm like yeah I can't imagine what that would even be no I remember I feel like one time Tracy Morgan had like he did like an illegal private casino somewhere that Dratch went to like the next day was like, it was insane! Of course. Of course it's insane.
But speaking of all this culture, so we're talking about, in many ways, culture that made us say culture was for us, but we have to ask you this question and it is, of course, a difficult question that is really open to interpretation. But Tina Fey, what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? Okay.
I've been thinking about this question. I struggled to understand it, but I think I'm going to try to frame it like, have you ever done those I am from poems? Oh, yeah.
So if we frame it that way, I'm also much older than you guys. And so I'm really going back.
I may say things that mean nothing to you, right? We'll, right? I'm like, I am from watching Benny Hill as a family.

Okay.

Yes,

yes,

yes.

What?

Yeah.

Watching a weird old man,

ogle women bikinis being like,

this is formative.

I am.

As a family.

As a family.

Like it's on PBS guys.

I am from,

you know,

a time when it just,

our whole life was, you go to Blockbuster. You rent the Stepfather.
You rent the now incredibly problematic Sleepaway Camp. Oh, yeah.
And you watch it with your, you know, gay friends. Again, if you want to talk about how hard it is, like cackling.
Yeah. Knowing like it's horrible.
Yeah. Or or like it's me and my best friend marlene going to pretty woman when it first came out and immediately cackling being like we're the only ones that know that she's a sex worker and this is grim right that like okay this week it's richard gear but every other week it's terrible you know Yeah, yeah.
C else i mean real world new york season one i guys i remember getting up early with my brother to see the beginning of mtv wow the first video like downtown julie brown vibes like like video killed the... Like let's put it on.
Oh, wow. Getting up to see Live Aid.
Yeah. And being so pumped that it was partly in Philadelphia.
And being like... Wait, it was? You guys are like, Phil Collins is on the Concord.
You guys see Phil Collins is on the Concord. Wow.
Yeah, it was for whatever reason, because the quality of the venue, it was in wherever it was in Wembley, I guess. It was Wembley.
And like Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia or something. It must have been the vet.
I'm silly and stupid and I thought it was just in the UK. No, and that was the big thing was they were like, Phil Collins is going to play with this band and then get on the Concord and play again.
What else is formed? Who I am? You know, Sheila E., The Glamorous Life. Wow, thanks for that.
You know, Kelly Clarkson just brought her back. Sheila E's on Kelly Clarkson's album, and I feel like no one talked about it.
Yeah, she's on the last track, and she's tearing it up. Yes, yes.
Sheila E. Yeah.
We gave her a special culture award. Sheila E? We did, we did.
Oh my God, that's right. We gave her something.
She's been recognized by this podcast. Good, I'm glad.
Yes, she must. What else can I give you? The divinals, I touch myself.
The divinals. That was like me trying to have, to no success, trying to convince people that our junior prom theme should be, there must be an angel by Eurythmics.
Nobody with the theme. I was like, just going to keep writing these papers and putting it in the box.
No. What was it? Ultimately, Under the Sea? They needed to get rid of it.
Well, it was like Brian Adams' Heaven. Oh, okay.
And then I think maybe Senior Year was maybe like, This Is The Time, Billy Joel. This Is The Time.
Which was a new song. Yeah.
I love that. Wow.
But this is the thing where I go, how would I have done? How would any of us do in like a bygone time? You would love it. The blockbuster of it all really resonates because it's also about going to blockbuster and only ever renting two things.
Renting two things over and over. Over and over.
Over and over. We're watching another one was like, arachnophobia was a big one.
I feel like there's a Martin Sheen one that I can't think of that was like a horror movie. Maybe that's right.
And like also with my two good friends, Jim and Damien, who are brothers, who between the two of them are the amalgam that are the basis for the character Damien. Damien? Of Damien? Yeah.
And in their house, they had a back staircase that had been closed off and made into a pantry that was full of every kind of junk food. Absolutely.
And we would just go over there and get after it. And also just like, get after it.
Like, it was the 80s, like no one did fitness. Your outfit was like a high collar thing with a blazer.
Yeah. It was just like, and there were no phones.
Did you drink a lot of soda? Drank so much soda. So much soda.
Would eat like a cheese hoagie. So like a 12inch hoagie with three kinds of cheese.
Yeah.

Really philly.

And then still able to poop.

Yeah.

Right.

Exactly.

Yeah.

The body wasn't yet betrayed.

And just like,

I'm trying to think culturally too.

It was like V.C. Andrews,

Flowers in the Attic.

Flowers in the Attic.

Reading those on like the beach

at the Jersey Shore.

Yes.

Or like on the trolley to work.

This is so evocative.

Other weird things

that I don't realize

are like,

I was obsessed with

Paul Young.

Paul Young.

That was like

every time you go away.

You liked like boy music.

Well, he was super cute.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, and like

SCTV used to be on

after SNL

three weekends a month

and then the fourth weekend

it was wrestling

and he'd be like,

uh.

Who did you imprint on on SCTV

was it Catherine

oh my gosh

Andrea

Andrea

Andrea and Catherine

yeah

for sure

Andrea gives me

the frisson

as you say

did I use that right

you used that right

you absolutely used frisson

right

frisson

frisson is the word of 2024

it's like

we need Molly Ringwald

to hear it translate

it's just like a feeling

of like

something in the air

the euphoria

like when something

is like oh I have

the frisson

thinking about this. Like when we mentioned Sam before.
It's the tingles. I got the frisson thinking about Sam getting us on Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind.
That's a beautiful ride. I think that the boy music thing is like, that is also a thing.
Like the men of the 80s and 90s. were allowed to be yeah but like there was something I'm gonna say like set aside like ogling and stuff but like the men of that time hot I sound insane for saying this you don't you could look up to men in a way that was like fine yeah you can look up to men and be like I'm'm okay.
I'm okay. More worried about what they were up to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not even that.
I mean, I think they were good Americans. Good Americans.
That's going to be the name of this. That's the name of this episode.
No, literally, Good Americans with Tina Fey. But we also, I mean, we also were like Janet Jackson, Madonna, Go-Go's, like that's a long, Eurythmics.
I remember also remember when Eurythmics came out,

like when the first

Sweet Dreams came out.

And we were like,

people were scared of them.

Yeah.

It was like,

it's dark.

Like she had that short hair

and she was wearing a suit

and everyone was like,

what?

She was haunted pop.

And even when she did like Diva

and like did do her own thing,

like it was still,

there was something sinister about it

in a way that I love.

Yeah. Like, yeah, just gender bendy.
The song Why by Annie Lennox. I want that as I'm lowered into the ground.
I think. Remember that.
I do say revisit, There Must Be an Angel. It's beautiful.
Okay. And also, I mean, Walk On a Broken Glass, like there's a reason for it.
Someone's going to sample that song and it's going to be. Just the piano.
It's going to be on Stranger Things or somethinganger Things or something yeah 100% yeah like like that song taking off the Kate Bush of it all I'm happy for the rediscovery as a culture you guys talked about this that it's the year of the the needle drop yes yes 100% do you watch the bear? no okay I have seen some of them but not all of them probably one of the most famous needle drops of this year is Taylor Swift's love story on the bear. Oh, they did that? They did that.
And to get the Taylor Swift song must have cost a lot of money. So thankfully it paid off on the bear.
The bear, you're doing excellent. Yes.
You guys are crushing it out there. They really are.
They really are. It's so wild to see her like slay drama like this.
I am. Yeah.
Yes. I know.
I have to go back and get into it so I can see where her character arc went. I know.
She's so good. And I think it was like, I always like, of course, coming up with her, we always knew she was so talented, but then I was watching Bottoms.
Did you see Bottoms? Yes. I was watching her on screen.
There's a scene where the camera gets way up in her face and I think she's having a moment with her love interest and I'm like, you got it, girl. Like, she got it.
Big time. Big time.
We were in the edit yesterday for this pre-tape. Every take I was like, oh, Ayo knows.
She knows where to find the camera, whatever, the camera. And then it would cut to me and it'd be like, what am I doing? Shut up.
No, no, no. But when you know what to do with the camera.

Do we all have this?

Do we all have this thing where it's this,

there is some dysmorphia,

that might not be the right word,

but it's like,

I think it's getting worse and worse for me

in terms of watching myself.

I've reached a point where I don't do it.

Unless it's something that I'm in charge of

and it's like, I have to edit it.

I'm like, oh, I'm going to make this movie

and I have an idea.

I'm never going to watch it.

Yeah, I got it.

Thank you. don't do it.
Unless it's something that I'm in charge of and it's like, I have to edit it. I'm like, oh, I'm going to make this movie and I have an idea.
I'm never going to watch it. Yeah, I got it.
And that's like freeing. Yeah, you know, when it came out about the four seasons, the gay group chats were popping off.
Of course, of course. That's really exciting.
I'm excited about that too. Yeah, this is going to be good.
I hope so. That's a good link up again with Tracy.
Oh, with Tracy and Lang, the best.

Tracy Wigfield and Lang Fisher.

Oh, yeah, that's going to be good. Super funny writers.

The gays that remember the movie were like,

like they were very, very excited.

Oh, that's great.

Oh, no, yeah.

They're lining up already.

I can't get over that my two movies from Blockbuster

were The First Wives Club and Goldeneye.

That was my personality.

That's where it started.

First Wives Club. That makes sense.
Yeah, First Wives Club. Though you watch it now and you're like, it's so a movie of the 90s where it's just like, it takes a bit to get into being a movie and then it is.
But I kind of missed the days where it was just like, no, the first half hour is just going to be a lot of relationship building. Like a lot.
Is it any first doc stuff that actually ever pays off in the end? No, right? That felt like a 90s thing where it was like, you just. I think it's all worth it to watch them at the end sing You Don't Own Me.
And I can't remember anything else about the movie besides that. And you know who else you forget is in that movie kind of crushing it is SJP.
Yeah, she's great in that movie. So good.
She's great in that movie. She's great in LA Story.
Yes. Yeah.
She's great in Ed Wood. Oh, yeah.
I think I've seen Ed Wood. Wait a minute, Bowen.
Ed Wood is so great. That's a really good one.
Okay, I've got two weeks off. Yeah.
Wow, you do have two weeks off. I'm so excited.
I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to the Beacon.
I was going to say, except the Beacon. Except the Beacon.

So wait,

when you would have a vacation

from SNL back in the day,

would you go

or would you just sit?

Would you bed rot?

I think I mostly just sat.

I feel like people at SNL

do much better

sort of self-care

and living their lives.

But I think in the beginning,

my now husband

was still in Chicago.

So sometimes I would go back

to Chicago for the week

or whatever.

But no,

I never took one real vacation.

Yeah.

I'm just still learning how to do that. I'm like, all right, you book a trip and then you go there.
Yeah, right. Can I say, I've never developed, I don't think, I think my time is up.
I think if I haven't learned by now to book a vacation on the two weeks off, I don't think I ever will for my remaining time there there. I'm just like I don't have that thing of like that admin thing of like let me book an Airbnb or something.
So I think it's I think there's something about working there that like makes you want to stay put because you're just like moving around a lot or something. Yeah you need to recover.
Yeah I thought of going to of going to the airport doesn't seem good after that.

No.

Never, ever.

I literally did this when you were in town last season

where I would do a show on Saturday.

My flight was at 8 a.m. after daylight savings,

after the spring clock jumped forward.

So I lost an hour and then went to the airport

to go to London to then shoot.

And I was just like, this is actually,

this is CTE. Yeah, this is CTE.
My personal CTE. There's a part of my brain that's leaving.
Yeah. And so, I don't know.
Oh my God, that sketch last night when I was like, and when the wind blows, I can't fill my memory. Who wrote that? Shout out to Asha Ward.
She is crushing it. She's a new young writer.
She co-wrote this elevator sketch with us as well. Yeah, that was great too.
She is so damn funny. And yeah, she said that line to us on Tuesday night when she was pitching it.
When she was kind of going around with the idea, she was like, yeah, it's based off this people's court, this actual people's court episode. The plaintiff did have the haircut was that her scalp was showing, obviously, not her actual brain.
But then Asha's like, I think we're going to make it her brain in the sketch I was like that's amazing and then Asha goes yeah and I think I want her to say when the wind blows I can feel my memories like being blown away and I threw my head back I was like you have to put that in yeah you must you must I did want to ask so like when you're at SNL and also you're at the same time writing Mean Girls like I guess I guess what I'm wondering is, like, how long did it take you to do that?

Because I remember, like, literally at the time reading interviews with you where you were like, I just wanted to see if I could do it.

Yeah.

And then you so obviously could.

But, like, what was that process of, like, juggling that?

Because that seems like a lot of work all the time.

I am trying to remember.

Yeah, I bet. I know I did a bunch of it in the summer i feel like maybe it was over two summers because it was the first time we rented a house in fire island on we both love fire island um on a gas tire had recommended just doing that and we went we trash picked a desk and we carried it and i remember jeff's arms got like a huge because you never it's not fire island if you don't get a weird rash and he's like immediately got a rash and i was like oh i think there was deer pee all over the desk or something and so the i must have been doing first draft the first summer and then the shooting i remember the second summer was the shooting draft because i would get mark waters the director i would get pages of notes every single day single day.
And I'd be like, I think I did it. And then be like, okay, let's go through today again.
He's like, page four. And I'd be like, hmm.
But he was right. It was like, it was stuff of like, where are they? Could this be short? It was like a lot of technical stuff.
And there was an amazing woman named Jill Messick who worked for Lauren at the time. She also was just like poking me.
like a lot of drafts in between in between unofficial drafts so I don't think I was doing it I must have been doing it on weeks off I don't think I don't have a memory of doing it trying to do it at the same time as the actual show like only because like and obviously like the movie is so perfect it's just everything it's one of those things that like just falls into place in every way. Like I remember we were saying it was one of those movies where you sat down and watched it and I knew I was going to and had to remember every line that was happening.
I saw it with my cousin and I was just like this is a really special thing and then going to school I remember like I was like all the track girls I used to run winter this is a specific

but I would run track and I would practice with all the girls because we would just talk about

things like this yeah and everyone knew it all the lines yeah and it was so funny because I

watched my one friend sort of I could tell she wanted to be like Regina George in a way where

she didn't really get it I was like you don't want to be actually mean like but the way she

started speaking I'm like it truly took over I remember it was that Anchorman yeah it was like, you don't want to be actually mean. But the way she started speaking, I'm like, it truly took over.
I remember it was that Anchorman. And I remember as a gay kid too, I learned the language of mean girls because that was what all the girls were doing.
And then Anchorman was what all the boys were doing. And so it was sort of this like code switch.
Yeah. And I remember taking my dad to see it.
And like, he was so excited because it was coming from you. And I remember it was just like this like moment that felt like a unifier, like in high school, because everyone thought it was funny.
Everyone thought the cast was amazing. And I really wanted to ask about Rachel McAdams because this is essentially is a Rachel McAdams stand podcast.
We could just talk about her and no one else. And we should.
Yeah. but like I was reading an interview with you recently where you were like you mentioned like

watching her act like changed the way that you approached it. Yeah, because I had never been in a movie before and I didn't know what, I would go and be in the scene.
I had only done SNL and I wasn't even really in sketches on SNL. I just did update.
Right, right. So I would be like, I would literally be like, in my head, I'd be like, I don't know if I'm on camera right now.
So I'm going to try real hard every time. Like didn't know to even ask if I'm in this part of the setup.
And she, her performance was so small that I remember being worried and going to Mark Waters and being like, I don't know. And then you get the dailies and it was like, yeah, perfection.
But it was very, it was small. It was a film performance.
It wasn't like me like. We we talk about that all the time like the sketch mentality of coming in in one mode especially like because we didn't have any acting training coming up we were like creatures of the basements you know like and then all of a sudden you book a thing where you have to be on camera acting and they're like hey just throw it away and you're like I don't know what are you talking about but you learn but the difference is then when you see people on SNL, when you see someone like Io who understands the assignment, to use a now old phrase.
It's back now though. I brought it back.
She understands what she's supposed to do and what sketch requires. And then you compare to well, not name names, but you see people who come in who have only ever done film, whose performances are built in the edit room, who have no internal sense of pacing or even energy.

Yeah.

And you,

and oh,

they can fuck up a show.

But they can slay the pre-tapes.

They can slay the pre-tapes.

Slay the pre-tapes.

Yeah, pre-tapes for them, pre-tapes.

Literally all we want to tell people

now at SNL,

like all I tell the hosts

all the time on Wednesdays,

especially at the Reethr,

I go,

Fast and Loud.

We were just like,

just do it fast and loud. Fast and loud.
Wow. And that usually dials it in.
It's plenty. Yeah.
That's what Amy talks about how, because we do a Q&A in our show and like we often get asked like, you know, who are your favorite guests and stuff? And she's like, I love athletes because they're used to being coached and they don't care. And you can just be like, just do that.
They just do it louder and like say it. And they're like, okay okay you also get a sense that anyone with like a Disney kid past

comes in there

and tears it up

yep

also by the way

people who've done

there are fewer

and fewer of these people

but it used to be people

who had done soaps

because like you know

who's got his start on soaps

Alec Baldwin

wow

Julianne Moore

yes Julianne Moore

make a choice

make a choice

and go

get Lisa Rinna to host

oh come on Lisa

Julianne Moore

I think

well and that's

I think our favorite movie

of the year

is May, December

I'm sorry. Make a choice and go.
Get Lisa Rinna to host. Oh, come on, Lisa.
Julianne Moore, I think, well, and that's, I think our favorite movie of the year is May, December. We fucking love May, December.
That's your favorite movie of the year? We love May, December. I enjoyed it, but.
That and Four Things were my. I haven't watched Four Things yet.
Oh, you'd love it. Oh, you'd like Four Things.
Emma's, Emma's another one. Like, comes in and like, just tears up SNL, obviously.
Yes, yes, gets it, yeah. And gets it on camera, on camera obviously but Julianne Moore I guess because what's so fun about the movie is it's like purposefully a melodrama right that insane music she's like we're out of hot dogs with her insane accent but then she was talking about like she's like well you know I started in soaps and I actually did the archetype of like the twins the evil twins like the am the amnesia twin.
So it wasn't even just amnesia or just twin. It was both.
Acting opposite herself, wanting to kill herself. Incredible.
Kill the other. It makes all the sense in the world to me.
You said that about Alec too though, where it's like the Rachel McAdams thing where it's like just so quiet. Is this going to work? And then you watch the aliens and you're like, oh my god.
Oh my god, yeah. And sometimes, you know you know real stars they don't really do what they're gonna do till you're on their close up and so you know you look at those first two seasons of 38 Rock and I'm like hey we gotta go blah blah blah and he's like blah blah blah blah and I'm like hmm you won that one sir you won that one it really is wild though cause I remember you do a take and they're like okay we're moving on and they're like, okay, we're moving on.
And you're like, there's no way we can. I didn't do anything.
And they're like, no, you get the performance of a lifetime. You just won't ever know because it wasn't fun for you at all.
Right, exactly. But it worked for us.
Back to me, girls, really quickly. Yeah, please.
How many times did you see it in the theater? Because you brought your dad. Three.
So I saw it. Four.
Four. Good for you.
Bless your hearts. Oh, come on.
I mean, like, first of all, like, I wonder how this feels to it. Because to join this thing of like, it was like Heather's, it was Clueless, and then it's Mean Girls.
And that has to be really meaningful. Very meaningful to me.
Yeah. Because those, you know, Heather's and Clueless were hugely informative.
Yeah. I mean.
This is my thing. This is my specificity with it is there was like a website, 2004, 2005, in that time of the internet called the Script Database or something.
And they would either have the screenplay, the original screenplay of the movie, any movie you could think of, if they had it. The original actual PDF or the scan or whatever of the script.
Or they would have a transcript. And then I remember reaching out to the admin of that being like, I will transcribe Mean Girls for you.
And then he's like, And I did it. And this guy was like, God bless you.
The demand for a movie has never been higher than for Mean Girls. And I was like, I'm gonna do it.
And I wrote the fucking, like, the slugs in the description. You wrote Mean Girls.
I didn Mean Girls. I transcribed Mean Girls.

How old were you?

14.

Wow.

This is what I said.

I said,

I can get you the script.

And then this guy,

this 30-year-old man was probably like,

you mean the actual

Tina Fey draft?

I was like,

no, no, no.

I'm just going to type out

what they say.

I didn't know.

I didn't know what he was looking for. He was like, I don't care.
I'll take a transcript. I was like, oh, that's, yes, of course, transcribing.
Yes, I will write out what they say. I'll say, Katie says that.
That was the level of fucking, yeah. There's joy in every scene.
And I guess what I feel is like, you forget that such big deals came out of that movie to like Amanda Seyfried.

Like she's just so in the fabric of the movie, having fun doing her part that you forget that she would then become like. Oscar nominee.
Yeah. Hello.
And I mean, it's like that down to to everything. And I wonder like in shooting it, did you know that it was like, did you have a feeling that there was something special happening? which feels like a question, like a boring question,

but like because it did end up being culturally significant. Thank you.
I feel like, I mean, part of the reason that it worked is because those girls were so legit and took it seriously and played it so real, you know, if they had been campy about it. Because I think that's the thing i try to sometimes pass on in whatever writer's rooms whatever it's like no one no villain thinks they're no one's the villain in their story right like regina's whole thing is like it's hard like she's gonna come crying to me and then i gotta help her like yeah no one's a villain in their own story right and i think they all played that perfectly because you know and you can see now like oh regina's villain janice is a villain katie's a huge villain like everyone's making mistakes and they played them all perfectly yeah but you know i think i was just at that place of like basically like is it gonna air you know we're gonna we're gonna it's gonna get made that was the that was the triumph in my mind that's refreshing to hear because i think i think matt and i are in that mindset now where we're just like, we're working on things and we're just like, let's just not worry about the contours of this.
Let's just like, the goal is just to get it made. 100%.
You know what I mean? I read this book, I think it's called like Wild and Crazy Guys and it's just a little nonfiction book about that span of time where like, it's like Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Dan. It's like when they all were blowing up and what movies got made and whatever and so many of these movies that are just canon to us they were like didn't really open and you're like I don't care like you know I watched it 100,000 times whatever the man with two brains or you know like that was just they're just were movies you know and to like not worry too much about like how it does how it does yeah how many theaters it is just you wonder like how many things we would actually love so much that it just get written off i wonder about that all the time like with the way the industry is now like how many things aren't getting made yeah that like are actually going to be things that we think about in 15 20 years you know what i mean like it feels very far and few between that you get something you know yeah yeah well i think movies still are tighter yeah like i feel like tv because there's just so much more like you are getting like you're getting reservation dogs you're getting yeah you know simon rich's weird show where the people you know like um you know it's what Bottoms felt like so refreshing well she's incredible Emma Seligman the director of that she's like I think she can do anything she can between Shiva Baby and Bottoms I was like and we love Rachel I mean so it's happening like and you know my daughter's 18 my older daughter and that is Bottoms is everything really? everything right So it's happening.
Like, and you know, my daughter's 18, my older daughter,

and that is,

Bottoms is everything.

Really?

Everything.

Right.

Yeah.

It's her Mean Girls in a way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, that's so cool.

That's so cool.

I mean,

it is this thing where like,

maybe we're just,

because we're like in,

we have some awareness,

we're like reading like the Inkler or whatever,

but I'm just like, the survivorship bias of it all

is really hitting me

where I'm just like, oh yeah, if I think too hard about the things that aren't getting me, then I start to, I start to lose my mind a little. Everybody has been there.
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Did everyone audition for that? Like, did you get a tape from Lizzie Kaplan or were you like... Gosh, I think so.
Yeah, probably. Yeah.
It just feels like there can't have ever been a time when there was like not those people it's one of those things it's like yeah I think so and Lindsay had worked with Mark before Lindsay was coming she had a lot of heat coming off of Freaky Friday Friday and there's also Mark Waters I think maybe I can't remember we should fact check for sure okay but yeah yeah I think so yeah and she came and I remember she came by SNL just to like hang out and be seen because she I think she wanted to be considered yeah she wanted to play Regina which I think yes yes yes and Lauren was always wise was like no you want that person to be the person who takes the the trajectory to Regina yeah he's like he's basically like that's the part. Yeah.
She's like, okay. Was that when both you and Dennis were head writer? Probably, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so funny.
Yeah. I love Dennis.
She was also a killer on SNL. Of course.
She was a killer. Amazing.
People who acted as kids also, they're just like, where do I stand and what do I say? Let's do it. Miley Cyrus.
Where do I stand? What do I say? Locked and loaded.

Kiki Palmer. Kiki Palmer, everything.

Kiki Palmer.

Which is why we need to push more children into shows.

100%.

Break them in.

We need to feed the SNL host pipeline by ruining children.

If there is like some sort of surgical Neuralink type procedure

just to implant that thing in actors of just like,

stand here, say it loud, say it fast. Fast and loud.
I never, you guys had that at the same time too. That must be like a thing.
Fast and loud, yeah. Fast and loud.
Sudi would say that and then Celeste and I say that now like to all the hosts. We're just like, just project.
That's our thing. But we're nice, but we're not like, we're just like, yeah, just fast and loud.
It works. I bet it does.
Anyway. I mean, vibes were incredible.

Vibes were incredible. They really were.
I mean,

from home. They were nice.
They were nice. Are you watching

every week? Not every single week,

but I tried. You know, what sort of got me back into the

was Alice being old enough

to and wanting to stay up and watch it.

But she was not home last

night because she was at the cast party for her

own high school musical. What did they do?

Well, the prom. She

killed it. They all killed it.
They were

all great. That sounds like a tour de force opportunity.
All girls production of the prom. Oh, really? Oh, that's even more.
Oh, that's beautiful. I love that.
I know. It was super cute.
Of the prom. Okay, so that is a hilarious idea to think about someone playing Dee Dee as like a child.
By the way, this girl killed it. Oh, I wish I had video for you because she killed it.
I bet. Oh my God.
People are like, if you could do one role, what would it be? I'm like, it'll never happen, but I'd love to do Didi in the prom. I had to do drag for the show I was in last year.
And like, I put this little wig on, like a little, you know, side swoop, like not exactly Catherine Zeta, but in the world. And I was like, I think I am Dee Dee.
I know I am. You're Dee Dee.
Do you know Jeff? My husband, Jeff. Yes.
Yeah. So he often brings up that like back in musical theater, like major college, that you take makeup class and part of makeup class was always like you had to do drag or whatever.
Like you had to like do a gender swap with your makeup. And he really likes that he looked, this may be too old to reference for you, but he's like, I was very pretty and I looked like Barbara Mandrell.
He's like, I was very pretty. Have you seen photos? Could you confirm? I have not seen photos.
You should tell him to put on a face again. I know.
He has a beard right now, but he might shave it for the opportunity. We might.
Just tell him if he wants a stage, we do something called the Culture Awards every year. He's welcome to come out and give his full Mandrell.
And then you can judge whether he still looks like Barbara Mandrell. Barbara Mandrell, also, you're kind of almost there with the drag name anyway.
Totally. Mandrell.
And then, this is what I'm saying. This is what we're saying.
The opportunity is like a riper and riper. We're not going to judge him.
It's going to be like

a fucking VMA situation

where he knows ahead of time

that he's winning the award.

We're saying that's the VMA

because the Grammys are today

and we're like,

we think people don't know

if they're going to win a Grammy,

but I think you know

if you're winning like a VMA.

I bet.

Yeah.

Because Taylor Swift

has changed her...

Flight?

No.

She's changed her flight.

Yeah.

She's changed her Instagram to all black and white, which we believe means there's an announcement coming. And I'm like, well, I wonder if Taylor Swift could find out in advance if she's winning a Grammy.
Because if someone could, it's probably Taylor Swift, right? Probably. You don't know what the Oscars, you don't know what the Emmys, you probably don't know what the Grammys.
It's not people's choice. No, no, no.
You've won a ton of these things. They call you before.
No, no, no. I feel like I do remember one time with the Golden Globes.
Alec was nominated for 30 Rock and he was like, just call them and ask them if I won. Because I felt like with that one, maybe you could have.
And I don't think he was able to. And I don't remember if he won or not.
But he was like, surely this one, they'll just tell me if I have to go.

And well,

I mean,

I bet they would.

If it's Alec.

Yeah, whatever.

Especially the Globes at that time now.

Oh, by the way,

your guys' host,

would you guys go back

and host again?

Oh my gosh,

I don't know.

It's a thing

because we ended,

the last time we did it

was this weird like Zoom one

that was a bummer.

But we did used to have

so much fun doing that.

We really did.

You guys were the best at it.

Thank you.

The Zoom one can't be the period on the piece. That's a tricky one, yeah.
Not to put the pressure on. I know, but we could either try to erase the Zoom one or, yeah.
Well, NBC doesn't own it anymore. Right.
And, you know, me, you, Countess Luann, we work for NBC. You got it.
We're Comcast, girl. Comcast for life.
You don't want to upset Lou, who's in charge of NBC these days. I will say she was on one the other night.
She is alive up there. Yeah.
She goes for it. And it's so funny because you watch the early seasons and you're like, this woman's never going to become a cabaret star.
And then you go to 54 Below and she was doing covers of Oh, What a Night. How do I ask this delicately? Has she been working on her singing? Can I say- Because everyone does.
It's so deeply- Taylor Swift did. Yeah, you know what? 100%.
Here's what I'll say. There is a quality to her voice that I think limits what it can do.
Yes, it's low and raspy. It is so low.
It's a Bea Arthur. It's a Carol Channing.
It's a Channing, yeah. It exists where it exists.

And so I think we're picking songs that just the keys are two steps down from what they even are for the men she covers. Yes.
But I will say there's something sort of she really knows her range. She's matching pitch.
100%. And you're never going to see her like go for the money note.
Right. In fact, one time she did go for the money note and it was more like I'm joyfully making a big sound than it is I'm hitting a note.
It's just about the selling and the delivery of it. I think her range being what it is, is the perfect extra dimension to her performance.
And I think she knows that now and And I think she's like, let me just have fun. Yeah.

No,

I'm not the best singer.

And we're saying this with love,

Lou.

Well,

there's a lot of people who,

yeah,

if it's like,

if you know how to put your show together.

Yeah.

And give people,

and also if people know what they're signing up for.

Yes.

We were signing up for four red sangrias,

I found.

Yeah.

And I don't know,

I don't know what it was about it. That made me feel like this is the drink tonight.
Sugar and wine. How could you? And this is also what got me really, I make like a quote unquote famous sangria, winter sangria for holidays.
It's just so much booze. And I literally was just like, yay.
And I realized no one likes it as much as me, but because I made it, I feel it must get consumed. And then you're blacked out on Christmas.
And I don't even get drunk like this. It's only when I'm drinking red sangria.
NYU, pre-21, if you didn't have a fake, the place to go is Little Italy. You would just order like a...
House Chianti? Well, no, you would order like a huge pitcher of sangria. Cottage, too.
It got you there. Do you remember the restaurant? The Chinese place? Yeah, the Chinese place is cottage.
So they're long gone now. And Steph Shue of everything ever, Oscar nominee Steph Shue would go there in college and get wasted at 19.
And drink red wine. What was that? It was worse than two buck chuck.
It was something worse than two buck chuck. It was fermented Welch's grape juice.
Yeah, 100%. I had my birthday there.
It was like a party of 25 underage kids

getting so much

of this red wine.

So much.

But wait,

in terms of putting together

a show though,

just quickly,

was it like you and Amy being like,

what do we want to do?

Do we just want to sit down?

Because it would be easy

to just do that.

I mean, we do it all the time.

Right, just sit down

and do a Q&A.

We did a little test run

of like Netflix is a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We did just mostly a Q&A and a couple little like really undercooked bits and it was easy and fun. But we sort of thought like, oh, we should have a little bit of structure.
And so we do, I feel like this is a really nice little structure. I don't know if I should give it away because we may keep touring.
But like, yeah, it has sort of like four parts. There are wardrobe changes.
Oh one to four wigs yeah oh good depending on the night um there is a little bit of improv there's a little bit of stand-up come on um and a special guest and a special guest and so but if so the structure we it felt reminded us of Golden Globes times because we always have, we have such, it's over 30 years. Yeah.
That we know each other. Very special.
So we do really have a shorthand of like, what if we go X, Y, Z? Like there's no ego in it. There's like, we, and also we both been producing things for a long time.
So I do feel proud. I feel like we're giving the white women that come to see us and other people too.

Yeah.

Let's not fool ourselves.

And 30 something Asian.

And beautiful Asian.

All are welcome.

I feel like we're giving people

like what they want.

But anyway,

but also it's like

hopefully a little bit

surprising as it goes along.

And but the answer is like

it basically we

I was on set.

We're finishing filming

the Mean Girls movie

in Middletown, New Jersey.

And we had Amy and I

have been working like once a week over zoom being like talking about what the show could be whatever and then we had from the day i finished and it was a brutal it was a very tiring fast shoot it was like a lot of late nights and whatever and um so that was say i finished on like the monday and then like saturday we were like our test show was in port chester so she came up we had like three or four days, say I finished on like the Monday and then like Saturday,

we were like,

our test show was in Port Chester.

So she came in,

we had like three or four days.

It was very much like the Golden Globes.

We were like,

okay, we got this.

We got this.

And we just sort of finished

figuring out the show

and we've honed it some since,

but it is sort of like,

you know,

when you write stuff

and it's born quickly

and it just comes right out,

it's usually a good sign.

And the structure

kind of just slipped right out.

When did you realize

there was like music to you and Amy?

Like, I wonder like,

so you guys have always been

like friends.

I'm sorry. right out it's usually a good sign yes and the structure kind of just slipped right out so when did you realize there was like music to you and amy like i wonder like so you guys have always been

like friends and i think i don't know how true this is but like you were at snl and like put

her name in their ears and then she came yeah so we started you know we were in we started together

at improv olympic yeah sharna halpern said to both of us this girl you don't like this girl

and we were the only two girls on a team inside vladimir and which is a really Thank you. Provolympic.
Yeah. Sharna Halpern said to both of us, this girl, you're going to like this girl.
Let's put you on the same team.

And we were the only two girls

on a team with Inside Vladimir

and...

Which is a gay porn title?

That's what it was named after.

Yeah, it was named after

a gay porn VHS tape

that was on display

at JJ Peppers

on Clark and McFarway.

Oh my God.

It's huge for them.

The stars of Inside Vladimir.

I remember we also were like,

we named it after that

and then as a team

we were like,

we should all watch it once

as a group.

And then we're like,

oh, we watched it

the first time and then people drifted to other parts of the party except all watch it once as a group. And then we're like, oh, we watched it the first time,

and then people drifted to other parts of the party,

except for one or two of the straight guys that just hung in.

Yeah, right?

Code switching, I can't.

Yes, yes.

And so we toured together, and then she,

and we were both understudies for the main stage,

and she was 100% the A team, and I was the B team.

I remember one time, Kelly Leonard was like,

so-and-so's going, Dratch, Dratch is going on vacation and Amy can't, she can do all of the nights except one. And I was like, so I get it.
And he's like, no, you're gonna, she's gonna do all the nights except one and you're gonna go on one time. And I was like, okay.
But, and then she left to go do UCB show in New York. And then I I did main stage literally only because she left or I would have been waiting another two years behind her I was John Glazer's understudy oh wow John Glazer in Yada Fulabiz and he is such like a gender neutral in his comedy that I just like yeah you can just step right in totally because it's all just like wonderful weirdness and so Matt and I both read for a John Glazer assistant part in the show and I backed one of those we love you John, he and his wife listen to the podcast oh they're the best I see them on Fire Island by the way I didn't even mean to do this but I realized I had my merch Fire Island Pines so then I ended up trying to get a writing job at SNL and Adam McKay hired me and I started and then yes so at some point I guess after the UCB TV show ended I was like but would you ever but would you ever come over here would you ever audition and I feel like it was sort of brokered that she was like basically like I am not doing three through the door like I'm not like I'm too established to come with my characters and my box of wigs and so so it was some kind of in between.
It was more like a camera test. Right.
There was something where it was like, I'm not going to work too hard. I see.
Yeah. Forever the Enneagram 8.
The Challenger. Enneagram 8.
What is that one? The Challenger? Yes. What are you? Do you know you? Three.
I'm three. I think I'm three.
What is three again? The Achiever. Oh, now that I know this is a thing, I'm going to become obsessed with it.
I need to know my thing. Amy's obsessed with it.
it Amy's obsessed with it oh yeah you need to take the test tonight okay what's it oh Amy's an eight Amy's an eight is it one through eight it's one through nine nine what's nine I forget what nine is because I don't know a lot of nines what's it called like your echo four what is it called a wing wing four I think I'm wing four and I forget what four is oh this is exciting yeah this is exciting. Oh, this is going to take over your life.
Do you ever dabble in astrology? I know I'm a Taurus. I don't believe so much in astrology because it's random, but why, which is, and again, I'm not the Enneagram stuff.
It's because I've been on tour with Amy for the last 17 weekends. So we're talking about a lot.
Yeah. But I do put more stock in it because it's based on you answer a million questions.
So it's actually based on you and what you think and how you react. Correct.
That's a weird word, qualitative. Yeah.
So with the you and Amy thing, like, would you consider yourselves opposites? No, we're not. We're not opposites.
Interesting. Yeah.
Because it presents us that in the comedic duo, which I guess, we've been talking about this a lot being this, but like, it's funny how you present that and are that. Our personas are opposites, right? Because it's more like I'm sort of tightly buttoned up and then she's more like little Boston dirtbag.
But we're both actually pretty bossy. But yeah, to answer your question, when did I realize that we're sort of more powerful together? I remember before, like Jimmy, I was doing an update with Jimmy and then he left and I felt very abandoned because I was like, he left? Like he left.
We had a good thing going. And I did tests with other people and stuff and then he left and I felt very abandoned because I was like, he left.
Like, he left.

We had a good thing going.

And I did tests with other people and stuff

and then Lauren was doing that

and Lauren was like,

what do you think?

Like, leaving it sort of up to me

and there was a part of me

that was like,

oh God,

I think I'm supposed to want

to do this by myself.

Right.

Like, that's the power move

and but I was like,

but I'm a sketch person.

I'm not a stand-up.

You wanted a partner. Right, and at the very like last minute, I remember I was coming back.
This is too much information. I was coming back from a train trip from Washington, DC, where I had weirdly and presciently taken a photograph for like the cover of, I don't know what.
Oh, is it the John McCain thing? With John McCain. Yeah.
Like in 2000, whatever, but way before 2008. And I had to make the decision on the Amtrak ride back.
And I called Amy and I was like, would you do me the great honor of being my wife? And then it just worked from there. And I think by the time the Globes and the Hillary and Sarah, all of it all, it just was like, oh, people do like us together.
100%. Yeah.
That's the music to it that you're asking about. Yes.
I mean, I just, because it feels like, again, it feels like that thing that always was, but there had to be a time when it was decided like, oh yeah, this feels really good. Yeah.
And I think that's like, just feels like this synergistic thing that must have always been. Right.
You know what I mean? I mean, it kind of has been for a long, like maybe the credit goes to Sharna. I mean, it sounds like, it sounds like, yeah.
But like, in terms of you guys building out the structure for the show, for Restless Leg, like, that is interesting to hear about because I feel like with Globes, it was you guys looking at the established structure of like, what an award show looks like, and then being like, let's go out with mustaches and be like, nominees for Dog President, a movie called Dog President. You know what I mean form-breaking.
Like, I was like, I remember just watching,

I was with my friends watching

that first year of the Globes and just being like,

oh my God,

this is incredible. This was also the joke structure they handed to you guys, which they don't do anymore, which, as a woman who dot dot dot in a dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot

like I love that that like little format and I was I wish they would do that because sometimes

they would just like describe it in such a weird way and they're on the actor like as a total idiot who looks terrible who looks terrible even now Matt Rogers dog president the things I think we knew from like I felt that we brought producer brain to the table with the Globes. We were like, front load it.
Yes. Don't come out.
And I've watched other award shows since where I've been like, oh no, no, no, my darling. Yeah.
At the end of like the Oscars, don't come out at like 10, 50 with a long ass bit. No, no, no.
Everyone's tired. Everyone who's still in the room has lost.
Yeah. Get out of there.
Yeah. You know, so like front loaded, don't go too long.
Right. Work the room.
And also literally just like, say who you are and remind people who, how they know you. Like, just, I feel like we had just training from SNL of just like watching a million monologues.
That's a Lauren thing of like, okay, like most times you're gonna be in the cold open monologue

and like before update,

like that's like above the fold

in terms of newspapers.

It's like, it's common sense to us,

but it's also like things

that I guess like people don't think of all the time.

And that's, that's okay.

But it's also like,

I feel like the biggest boon of working there

is to like see a different version of,

let's just say like fame every week.

And then to be like, oh, I can behaviorally adjust myself based on what I'm witnessing. Which of these paths seems like a good path.
And yeah, that sounds weird to say. So speaking of like the famous of it all, I wonder like you've probably met everyone at this point, but then you're in the Golden Globes room and it's literally like, is there anyone who throws you off? That is a great question.
I have to say after so much time at SNL and also just being 53, where you're just like, I don't care. Yeah, right.
And you've seen like, you've seen so many waves of culture and you're like, guess who used to be a big deal and isn't anymore. Like whoever you are, it will pass, right? And also having had to go make crazy phone calls and have crazy meetings and be like, I've had to do things like, can you call Mariah Carey and ask her for the rights to this song? Once you've done, I don't know if I can think of a person that I'd be like, you such a big deal because even Oprah has been your colleague I have met Oprah yeah I mean on one of the most iconic so there you go but the winning of Mariah is huge because you got her with Mean Girls and you have her for life she loves Mean Girls she loves Mean Girls you know and I love her wrote a whole song about it one of her best songs yeah to our I'm so obsessed with me do Do you like the new, do you like the new, the Renee and Megan song? Love it.
That's all I'm listening to. Do you like it? I listen to it all the time.
Do you like it? Renee is a real one. A real star.
She's a real star. A real star.
She came on this podcast then. It's like, her voice in that movie.
Were you at the Jimmy Awards when she won? I was at the Jimmy Awards. Do you know this? You were at the Jimmy Awards? There.
Me, Joel Kimbooster, Brandon Scott Jones. Matt Whitaker.
Cruising. We were cruising.
Oh, no. We were there.
And then Renee came out. And then Laura Benanti was hosting the whole thing and being like, and just on stage Laura Benanti saying like, if I had the confidence of that girl, I would have no problems.
And just you could tell from that night yeah she's a star it was just and the kid that won was Andrew Barthelman Andrew Barthelman the Jennifer Lawrence movie No Hard Feelings yes and Evan Hansen right yes that was a big year for the gyms yeah yeah the jimmies the jimmies of the future 100% the other thing that I loved about Renee on SNL was her live vocal

was right up front

in that mix

right up front

right in the zone

totally

you could hear

it was live

yeah

100%

she was great vibes

and then at the after part

she was like

I don't do like

big spaces

I was like

you're so cool

great Americans

Renee Raj big spaces. I was like, you're.
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I think it's time to move on. Shall we move to I don't think so, honey? Okay, so this is the segment, Tina, where we take one minute to rant and rave against something in culture.
And I'm going to get

a little specific, and I apologize to you in advance.

Oh, no. But I think you need

to make some changes. Oh, God.

I know, but don't be scared. Okay, okay.
This is Matt

Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
About me, I guess?

Time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Bo and Yang, no deodorant in your dressing room.

Oh, get out.

Because I think it's a staple,

right? I don't need it. I don't need it I don't need it babe My thing is like I needed it And remember that you have guests And some of them are going to be in that hot little stuffy dressing room And I'm turning around And as I said before no not a deodorant In sight in my apartment Only acts which I didn't find until this morning I feel like Bowen we need to and restock your dressing room with the essentials.
30 seconds. Because there's a lot of fancy good whiskey and no deodorants, no nothing that's going to actually get us to the end of the day, the end of the week.
Oh. Because it was smelling in there, and I apologize to you, but you had a lot of men in your dressing room last night.
15 seconds. It stank by the end of it.
And I'm telling you, I just couldn't believe you didn't have your little essentials. You do have a lot of good cologne.
I do. Which is better than Axe.
Five seconds. Okay, but I'm just saying in terms of the sweat and the antiperspirant, you could be doing better.
I don't think so. And that's one minute.
I had Tums available for our friend Dave because he had an upset stomach. Yeah.
I have so many other... This is the thing about working at SNL that I, I'm never going to get over.
You could have had the worst week professionally, not the worst week, but just a rough week just at the show. It feels bad.
And then you still have to host your friends and make sure they have ice and get drinks for them. I'm like, this is the thing that I don't love.
And then like your aunt and uncle are coming to me and you need to take them to the party. Yeah.
And they're like, me and it's I will say I did check myself when like I think it was a couple years ago like a few of us were in your dressing room just like having the time and I think it was like a week where you were having a hard time and you came and we were just like what do you mean? Just because like you don't want to be like woo! Like come on get on up on our level when it's like, I am at work still. And I do respect that.
I'm sorry, I didn't have deodorant. I'll get, I just felt bad because I reeked.
You needed to have a little basket like in a wedding reception ladies room with like mints, deodorant. Oh, yeah.
I have Grothers Pastels. I'm gonna get mints and deodorant.
He does have Grothers Pastels. Does everyone know where you got the Grothers Pastels? Yeah, and tampons.
Yeah, and tampons. Cynthia Erivo gave me Grothers Pastilles.
Cynthia Erivo gave him the best singer lozenge in the world. Yeah, it's great.
Io Debrey, also big Grothers Pastilles. Big Grothers Pastilles.
Yeah, she had the best. All the greats.
Well, I'm sorry. I will do my best to...
No, I'm kidding. I just didn't want to smell so bad.
That's okay. And also, I'm being a little like, I'm erring on the side of caution.
I'm like, I don't think so, honey, because I got absolutely dragged for the one I did last week which was people should not be riding Taylor Swift so hard for the private jet usage. Because you don't want her to ride commercial.
I saw that and you're like what is she going to fly and have a layover? Is she going to be in the Delta Lounge? Yeah. I was teasing everyone and the girls absolutely dragged me.
Because I'm harmful. No no no no.
I'm harmful. You're the real the real problem i'm the real problem um apologize to everyone i've got one okay i might be biting the hand oh baby we'll see this is bone yang's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey my co-host doing ads for the tiger's apprentice now streaming on paramount plus and naming off the cast list, Henry Golding, Greta Lee, Sandra Oh,

Michelle Yeoh, but no mention of

Bowen Yang. I normally

don't mind, but I

it's my own podcast.

I'm giving Paramount a platform.

I saw Mean Girls in theaters four times.

I went to go see Mean Girls the musical

2024.

I'm a supporter of Paramount,

of CBS, of Viacom.

I've had many wonderful experiences

with Viacom CBS.

And I can't even get a damn mention

in the ads and the promo material

for this movie

that I had a great time doing.

I play Sidney the Rat,

the movie where the 12 animals

of the Chinese Zodiac

team up to fight an evil in San Francisco.

Michelle Yeoh plays the villain. A mutual co-worker with our guest Tina.
Paramount, please put me in the damn credits. And that's one minute.
I personally like to apologize for not improvising in the ad that you were in it. But I don't think, but deadass, you did not know that I was in that movie.
No, deadass, I do know that you're in the movie, but you know what it's like to do ads and this is sort of a peek behind the curtain. It usually happens at the end of a podcast when you just want to leave.
Yeah, I know. And so you're like, coming soon to Paramount Plus.
It's going to be everyone but Bowen. All right, see you later, everybody.
I apologize. I just want to say, when I love that...
I didn't go to the map for you. When I Love That For You came out and we were doing ads for I Love That For You, I made sure to really make your name an emphatic part of that.
I just expected better from you. No.
I expected better from you is one of the hardest, harshest things to hear. Can you imagine if Amy said that to you? If your best friend and company partner said I expected better from you on the air.
Oh my gosh. That's rough.
That's rough. No, I expect better from myself.
I'm sorry. And from now on, I will always say your name.
I'll sneak your name into projects you're not even in. Thank you.
And then maybe just like, and you have deodorant for me. Let's have each other's backs more in the future because there's a magic here and there's a music here.
There's a music here. I've always known it.
That's an equivalent exchange. You're the Tina and Amy of your generation.
You know what? What if? Don't, don't, don't. Should we host the Globes? Are you passing down the crown? Yes, you should host the Globes together.
That room is going to be like, who the fuck are those guys? No, no. No, they would not.
Two Joe Coy. They're like, who? No.
They're like, who is that guy? I said to the phone. They would be like, it's Joel Kimbooster.
Yeah, yeah. Because that keeps happening to you guys.
And they'll be like that. And Zachary Quinto.
Zachary Quinto. No, but you really should do that because together are so much more fun.
I would love to do it. I would only do it with someone with you.
I'm throwing our name in there. I was like, yeah, we're going to do it.
And Boehm was like, no, not the Globes. And I was like, well, I think they're back.
I think now we know they're back. You know what I mean? Yeah, they're back.
Yeah. Okay.
Are you ready for this? I think so. Okay.
So I will say I was like, I was kind of sweating this because I, you know, 53 i have nothing but opinions right i have violent opinions about everything but i'm also constantly afraid of getting in trouble yeah so do you want to audition some no i think i'm in an okay area now but also like i do have backups if we do it and you could you'd be like no do a different one if we're like no you'll get crucified for that i was thinking about my own fear of crucifixion and it led me to my choice of topic. Okay, here we go.
Okay, so, and I may look at my phone because I'm old. Okay.
You have to yell to me. This is Tina Fey's I Don't Think So, Honey.
Time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Bowen Yang giving his real opinions about movies on this podcast. I regret to inform you that you are too famous now, sir.
I know. What's going to happen? You have a problem with salt burn? Shh.
Quiet luxury. Keep it to yourself because what are you going to do when Emerald Fennell calls you about her next project where you play Carrie Mulligan's co-worker in the bridal section of Harrods and then act three takes a sexually violent turn and you have to pretend to be surprised by that turn.
You have to have a clean paper trail, nothing negative. Everything everyone does is amazing.
You hang out with Ariana and SpongeBob. Now that is your life.
Okay. And Matt Rogers, I can tell you, you got about one year left and then you, yes, learn from my mistakes, learn from IO.
Podcasts are forever. Authenticity is dangerous and expensive.
I don't think so, honey. This is actually, that's one minute.
That's an all-timer. And you know, they're starting to come for us, the people that listen to this and like, they don't say their real opinions.
And it's like, yeah, I don't think that anyone needs that.

But sometimes I can't help it.

It gets harder.

I know, I bet it does.

And then they're also digging through our stuff and being like, well, there was a period

when they didn't like Taylor Swift.

Yeah, there was actually a period

where they didn't like them.

So to hear them be so sycophantic now is really crazy.

They call us bootlickers.

I'm like, you guys, it's a walk doing this.

And it's a dangerous dance. Yes.
And it's impossible. It's really crazy because the fact is we do have strong opinions about almost everything.
And that's what people want and why it's authentic. But also, what do I do when Emerald calls? What are you going to do when? Yeah.
But I personally, and I cannot expect this of everyone. if someone's not a fan of one

thing that I've done

if someone was like I didn't love Fire Island

I'll be like no problem I'll still be in a

sketch with you I'll still like take a

meet you know what I mean

if I'll still take a meeting

if Emerald Fennell had gotten on a podcast

and absolutely destroyed Fire

Island and said this is bad I didn't get the performances

and Emerald Fennell said the words I don't think

Bowen Yang has ever pulled it off

you would feel crazy I would feel crazy but he'd be

Thank you. and absolutely destroyed Fire Island and said, this is bad.
I didn't get the performances. And Emerald Fennell said the words, I don't think Bowen Yang has ever pulled it off.
You would feel crazy. I would feel crazy, but he'd be like, that's our, I was like, no problem.
But it hurts she's entitled, that Emerald. That was, I forgot my one note that I didn't get to was I was, the bottom was going to be, I don't listen.
I don't expect you to stand with Dave Chappelle at goodnight. I'm not a monster.
I'm not crazy, but I do need you to hug Mark Cuban like he is your long-lost father. Yes.
Like Jimmy did. And also, why did Jimmy do that? Why was Jimmy hugging Mark Cuban like they won the Super Bowl together? Jimmy was so happy.
I know Jimmy was so nice and he sent me milk bar cookies. Well, that's why Jimmy's the best because he's capable of joy.
Oh my God. No, and we need that.
And I was, by the way, people are like reading me for like in the Very Good Talk Show sketch like looking agitated and important. I was I was like playing in the sketch and being like oh there's the guests are supposed to be like a little perplexed I was like you guys but that was fantastic honestly though this is a genuine question how would you do this podcast you know what I mean like if you're us how would you continue to do this podcast which started in 2016 when we thought there's no way anyone will ever listen to it even once.
And we sort of established this thing of like we see things, we talk about it, we're honest, we have our little fun with things in the pop culture. And then all of a sudden that does become hard because someone who might be a dear sister to you might be above board.
I do think you guys are thoughtful and gentle. And if you say you don't like something, it's to be jerks.
Obviously we're very thoughtful about those movies but it does become a thing where it's like oh do you want to be people who keep it real and have their podcast forever or do you want to be goddamn movie stars? Oh my god. What if it's the former? Then I think we're doing amazing.
But like my trail of mistakes lives behind me like like jacob marley's train like just chains of shame like i from like oh i'll just use this real name from my high school like and then hit this person like that wasn't even it just like i liked their name like it's nothing to do with them yes and then i'm like that's a level of of shame. And you hear they're now going impatient because of what you've done.
I mean, God forbid. And then update jokes that you're like, I'll do it.
I don't care. And then you're like, oh, right.
And then, yeah, so many kinds of these mistakes that you're like, why did I? Right. Especially the thing with the Ayo thing.
So someone like J-Lo is so famous and has been so famous for such a long time that literally everyone in the world has said something probably incredibly positive and negative about her just because that's like a colloquialism almost. And so for her to get dragged so much for this, not only do I think it's like uncool, but I'm like, guys, this is not a Pandora's box you want to open of let's dig up everything everyone said on the internet.
No kidding. It will be an apocalypse.
That sketch was like, why did you say it? That was funny too. That was great.
They threw that line in after Friday, after that news broke. It was just fortuitous or the opposite in terms of like, it's Ayo and J-Lo being on the same bill for SNL.
Like, that's the only reason. that's but that's like even that is just like guys it's just i don't think anyone's gonna stand by every single thing they've ever said and it is tough and then when a lot of people do start listening there is a weird rub and so like honestly that i don't think so honey comes at a really interesting time because i'm thinking about it a lot yeah i catch it all the time and like i honestly also sometimes i only, don't take my opinion seriously.
I'm like a dummy with a podcast. Like I'm just trying to have fun with this, but people do take it very seriously.
That's not up to you. And that's not up to me.
And also like, however, and I've never heard from, I've literally never heard from like an artist or anyone that's done anything out there and said what you said on your podcast really hurt me. Right.
But like, I don't know if I were to hear that, I would definitely, certainly feel bad. Right.
Like, I don't want anyone to feel anything but good after having listened to it, but it is a thing. Yeah.
That was a good impartment. You've imparted on us.
You've imparted on us. It's been so long since we've been imparted on.
Open a window. We imparted in here.
Oh, yeah. To be imparted in this way.
We needed it. Well, this was just a joy and a half.
Oh, what a delight to talk to you. I enjoy the podcast so much.
Thank you for even saying that. And I just mean like truly like this was wish fulfillment for us to say the least.
To even have you here and even know who the hell we are. So this was.
Absolute pleasure. Oh, my gosh.
We love you. We love you a lot.
And oh, by the way, get tickets to the show. Is it all sold out? The beacon might be sold out.
We have some, we still have a show coming in like Seattle. Thank you for knowing that.
In Portland, there might still be tickets because we have to go back because the city froze and we had to cancel the show. But everyone who was mad on Twitter, if you couldn't get to the show that still happened, you can, I think you can get tickets.
Like we're not, we're doing the right thing. So everyone calm down.
Calm down. We're doing the right thing.
It's really culture number eight. Calm down.
We're doing the right thing. That's just generally applicable.
And then let me see, what else should I be professional about? Oh yeah. Girls 5 Ava.
Meredith Scardino's amazing show. Oh, it's so good.
All three seasons come to Netflix. So you can see Bowen Yang.
You can see so many wonderful people. I believe March 14th.
I hope I'm right about that. March 14th.
Yeah. One of our dearest friends, Matt Whitaker.
Oh, the best. I love Matt Whitaker.
Yeah. I still text with him sometimes.
He's a big, we saw Appropriate the other night on Broadway together. He's a great theater going friend.
Yes, he is great. Yes.
He sees everything. He sees it all.
And then Mean Girls 2024. Mean Girls 2024.
My mom and aunt saw it the other night and their review was this. We loved it.
You know, it was different because it was a musical. Yeah.
And I said that, that it was. Yeah, that was one of the ones that I was like, oh, I can't do this and I'll get in trouble.
I want to be like, I don't think so, honey. Little Broadway cunts on TikTok complaining about two lines of Revenge Party when I bring you fucking Renee Rapp.
I bring you Ali'i Cravalho, Jaquel Spivey. This is why we can't have nice things.
Avantika? Avantika. Avantika.
She showed up to the after party yesterday. I was like, she did? I was like, that's fucking, that's her.
Yeah. When the real, the original movie came out, she wasn't born.
No, this is, see, and I wonder if that's going to happen is like, now we're going to start watching it and it's going to look like in terms of fashion, like really dated. And I'm going to be like, oh my God, no, it's becoming the clueless of it all.
Where you watch clueless now and you're like, oh, can you imagine wearing that? It's going to be like that so soon. No, no.
But for me, like the fashions are like Frozen in Amber. Because they're all back now.
If you walk out the room looking like Sharon D. and you'll look like the coolest bitch at the party.
It's not even the loop back around. It's just like, that just kind of looks cool in the world of the movie.
Anyway. We end every episode with a song.
It's not my fault. You can't have a single day with me.
It's not my fault. Now, who wouldn't want to fall in love with me? Are you off book?

No, I don't know.

Okay, well, you should be off book.

You should be off book.

Readers.

Bye.

Bye.

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