"High Body Count Episode" (w/ Angie Katsanevas)

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Speaker 68 So our guest today is a business owner, a hairstylist, and I think it's crazy. It's like a slow-burning breakout star.

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Speaker 60 Everyone, please welcome

Speaker 45 Angie Catson.

Speaker 43 Hello.

Speaker 65 Hello.

Speaker 83 Hi, you've got, wow, what a welcome. Oh, my goodness.
I'm honored and I'm flattered and all of a thank you. I've been dying to be on this podcast.

Speaker 58 We're so happy.

Speaker 83 Since I met Bowen on Watch What Happens Live.

Speaker 68 A great episode.

Speaker 83 Yeah. And then I found out Matt was Greek.

Speaker 85 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 83 Yes. And then I left Watch What Happens Live and one of my castmates, the mean one, said, ooh, I don't, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 83 Whose name I shall not mention said, ooh, I don't think Bowen liked you. You kept touching him too much.
You kept, and then I said not true.

Speaker 43 Starting drama, Meredith.

Speaker 86 Well,

Speaker 87 I didn't say it was her.

Speaker 83 I left out like, oh my gosh, I hope I made a great impression on Bowen because the success of my first appearance was because of him being there and him being easy to connect with and his great energy.

Speaker 77 That was all you, Angie. I mean, it was so lovely to meet you.

Speaker 60 I got to meet Electro.

Speaker 74 I got to meet Sean.

Speaker 71 You guys were so lovely to be around. And I could tell you were, this was a big deal.
This was a big deal to both of us, but especially this is your WWHL debut.

Speaker 73 You rocked it down, Angie.

Speaker 50 It was so supportive.

Speaker 83 I couldn't have done that without you.

Speaker 50 So thank you.

Speaker 87 Yes.

Speaker 68 I mean, that was, that was a phenomenal episode. It's crazy to think back because right now, high body count hair is kind of the meme of the moment, but this was the, this was the sunglasses.

Speaker 26 Already some turnover in your meme ability here.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 43 Maybe usually.

Speaker 44 Thank you.

Speaker 83 That's a compliment. Like doubling the thighs, that's a compliment.

Speaker 68 So is this, can we ask like the high body count hair thing? You're obviously from the hair community.

Speaker 68 And by the way, this is another way that we connect because you know my mother is a hairdresser lifelong.

Speaker 83 You're Greek and your mom's a hairdresser. I mean, that's like we have some serious connections.
I didn't know that, but you grew up as a hairdresser's child. That's like, that's the best story.

Speaker 83 No wonder you have such great hair.

Speaker 68 Well, is this high body count hair? Does this count? My bleach.

Speaker 83 I'm sorry, but that is that is screaming high body count.

Speaker 87 That is, yes.

Speaker 40 I can take that.

Speaker 68 I actually, I'm actually proud to hold that mantle.

Speaker 83 Oh, yeah. You should be.
There's a line for you.

Speaker 35 There's a line.

Speaker 83 High body count.

Speaker 84 Get in blind.

Speaker 50 Of course.

Speaker 33 Where did it come from?

Speaker 68 Was high body count hair something you and the girls say in the salon? Or was that just something off the cuff?

Speaker 83 It's so crazy. I have never said it.
I have never thought it.

Speaker 83 I just remember thinking, like, that is like porn 90s hair when I saw her hair and it was like not moving it was like flecked and you could see the tracks to her extension bless her little heart

Speaker 83 and then when she kind of

Speaker 83 you know offended me by saying I was probably slutty and I've been with Sean for 30 years I just thought okay girl let's like look at your hair so I didn't want to say you look like you have a high body count but her hair was like screaming 90s porn and it just came out.

Speaker 83 People keep saying like, where did that come from? I don't know. It just came out.
That's my best materials when it just flies out and it gets me in trouble, but people love it.

Speaker 66 Would it be fair to say that you've walked it back a little bit to say there's nothing wrong with having high body count hair, is there?

Speaker 83 You know what? You know, high body count hair can actually be super sexy.

Speaker 83 And like, you know, the old guest ads or you know, like just the volume, the sexy, like raw look, like Cougar, you know, like, but I have to say, if it's done right, it can be so hot.

Speaker 58 Yes.

Speaker 91 I want you to walk us through the hair journey.

Speaker 80 Well, first of all, impeccable, flawless today.

Speaker 68 Great flow today, Ange.

Speaker 84 Great flow. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 83 Really, you guys? Thank you so much. I'm having, it's sliding back, huh? It's sliding back.
I've got my manager. I've got the husband.
Okay. Of course.

Speaker 9 We'll cut around this. Don't worry.

Speaker 65 Sean is standing by.

Speaker 83 Sean is standing by. Okay.
It's perfect, hun.

Speaker 87 Thank you guys.

Speaker 71 The treat has been to see all of the eras of Sean and Angie, but specifically with Angie, with you, like the hair all the way back to when you and Sean first started dating, like those cutaways to those old photos, you'd really pull it off with any kind of length, any style.

Speaker 93 But walk us through what the journey has been for you since, you know, since you've documented the hair.

Speaker 75 Yeah, hair eras.

Speaker 83 Wow. Thank you.

Speaker 49 Well, eras tour, as it were.

Speaker 83 The eras tour. There were so many of those that I didn't even put in because I had no idea it would make such a splash.
So I'm regretting some others that were missed. I'll have to repost them.

Speaker 83 Oh, yeah, of course. I think a lot of people like really resonated with that 90s era.
And a lot of people were that girl. A lot of people had the super skinny eyebrows.

Speaker 83 A lot of people had like the really hard liner that was like dark chocolate brown with the white color of lips inside

Speaker 83 and you know the hard eyeliner. I mean, I think it was super like nostalgic for so many people.
And then Sean's hair was hilarious. I mean,

Speaker 83 Sean was like, we were we had matching bobs i didn't even notice it till i read the comments i'm like how did i not notice that we had matching bobs like that is so hilarious we are soulmates and we went through so many funny we tried everything like we both loved fashion we both loved you know we were both super creative and for our time we were ahead of our time like the chunks

Speaker 83 you know that hair in in salt lake was so ahead of its time i mean looking back i just really enjoyed the joy that it brought to others and the laughter that it brought to the internet that day.

Speaker 83 And yeah, Sean and I, like, we did it together. We both were always a super fashionable couple for our time, I guess.

Speaker 83 And like, I know it doesn't look ahead of our time looking back, but at the time, we were so like, we were trendsetters.

Speaker 71 Of course.

Speaker 9 No, it totally reads that way because I'm like, my first thought is not necessarily like the laughs.

Speaker 73 It's certainly the joy.

Speaker 80 I'm not laughing at that, going, ha ha, look at how silly they look.

Speaker 83 I go, ha ha look how chic they look and i think angie in the 90s would have been just just a fun time oh she was she was she still is i mean that's why i laugh like i mean i love it because i do look back on that angie sean and i went out to clubs all the time we were super social we were out everywhere and it was just a fun era and like i was the only girl with platforms in salt lake city and i had to get him in la at a special store called wild pear do you guys remember wild pear

Speaker 43 wow we don't i remember last about wild pear

Speaker 83 yeah it was like you could only find really cool edgy shoes there and it used to only be out of state and then we got i mean you know i would go out of state to shop and i was wearing leopard print when no one was wearing leopard print but in the hair industry you have to be very fashion forward and so we were like always inspired by things outside of salt lake before salt lake became so cool because now salt lake is like really on the map damn what do you think that is do you think it's been like within the last 10 years that's happened?

Speaker 68 Or are you referring to the popularity of the show people roll through when they kind of want to see all the, because there are, they're like landmarks now. I mean, there's

Speaker 68 places to spot if you are a housewives fan in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 83 You know, all of it, really honestly, because I think Salt Lake was like the best kept secret. It was a hidden gem because it's so beautiful.
It's so clean.

Speaker 83 And I have to say, like the Mormon Church keeps our city clean and beautiful. And there's a lot of things to do for families and kids.
And our downtown is just pristine.

Speaker 83 And well, that's all churches, but you know, I mean, the Mormon Church does run downtown Salt Lake until the Greeks came in.

Speaker 40 But,

Speaker 83 you know, I will say, yes, but I will say I think the show has really shined a light on Salt Lake City. And it's an enigma.
It's beautiful.

Speaker 83 The mountains, the snow, like you just don't see this anywhere.

Speaker 68 I think that does have a lot to do with it.

Speaker 68 You know, even like the soundtracking that comes in when it's like those crazy dings and dongs that happen when you see Salt Lake, it really sets the show apart.

Speaker 68 And it really feels like you're in a world when you're watching it.

Speaker 83 Yes.

Speaker 83 And can I also say like owning a business and multiple businesses throughout the city and being in downtown Salt Lake, our salons, I mean, we're already at like max capacity, but we have people moving here from big cities that want to come into our salons that are used to paying for a high-end experience in other cities.

Speaker 83 So like Lunatic Fringe has benefited from our cities growing. Our real estate has gone through the roof.
And it's just our city's on fire. Don't move here.

Speaker 49 Yeah, we won't.

Speaker 83 We won't. No, no, you guys can, but the traffic, everybody else can't.
Traffic's getting bad and things are changing.

Speaker 68 The infrastructure was not built for the real houses of Salt Lake City to bring all these people into town. So talk about Lunatic Fringe.

Speaker 68 I actually had, when we saw this was the name, I didn't know this was a term. What, what is this? Where did this come from?

Speaker 83 Well, okay, so we opened our salon 25 years ago.

Speaker 83 going on 26 uh we were like 20 let's see 26 and 28 years old young kids and our we our mentor and friend alan he always said i he gave us a name and it's like it means a couple terms it means kind of crazy hair but if you google it it's like a group of like-minded people working towards the same goal or vision and it fit perfectly and it was so edgy for its time and it didn't even say salons and people just thought lunatic fringe what is this but it's really stood out and after him saying you should use this we just couldn't think of anything else it was so good you couldn't top it and it's become a household name we have 10 locations we're a franchise company now and we have locations outside of salt lake city we have locations in boise in idaho and all the restaurants in utah and you know with the right partners we're willing to open more but you know our salon's been on fire the last 25 years and you know it was a little dream we just wanted one salon and had no idea it would become what it is so we do own a cosmetology school so we have like you know two to three hundred students a year that we educate train them on business and hair and that's with uh paul mitchell and then you know they wow they spread their wings and they either work for us or we train hairdressers to go work wherever they want i wish we saw more of that on the show.

Speaker 91 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 68 Do you film at Lunatic Fringe? Is there stuff that they could use?

Speaker 66 Because that's couple of things that you guys shoot.

Speaker 83 Yeah, we've only filmed once in the salon. I'd love to share more of that.
We also own a beauty supply distributorship. So we're very immersed in the beauty industry.
And

Speaker 83 we have been for years. You know, we do a lot of fundraising with our school that we've been involved in just a lot of great things in the community through our businesses.

Speaker 92 That's wonderful.

Speaker 83 Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 60 What's the family history in Salt Lake City? Like you've basically been there for most of your life.

Speaker 66 Is that fair to say at this point?

Speaker 83 Yes. Yeah.
My dad came to America to Salt Lake City, Utah, when he was 17. My mother came when she was eight, and they met here as young adults.
We were all born here.

Speaker 83 And, you know, it's great because my dad came here with one suit that someone loaned him. And someone asked him when he came to America, well, where's your stuff? And he said, this is it.

Speaker 83 That's all he came with. He didn't even have a toothbrush till he moved here.
My dad didn't have shoes till he was 11. So we were raised very humble.

Speaker 83 But, you know, I thought I was rich because my dad worked hard. We had a nice house.
He drove a Cadillac. And like, I thought I was rich.
I always wanted nice things because I loved girlish things.

Speaker 83 And my mom passing away, like, I didn't even have mascara or lip gloss around the house. And I loved all things beauty and fashion.
So, but yeah, I have seven siblings.

Speaker 83 We're all still here in Utah, very close. I have a very tight-knit family.
My dad comes from a family of 10. So I have the whole big fat Greek wedding, like huge family.

Speaker 83 And the community, the Greek community here is also really tight. So like I was immersed in all things Greek.
We Greek danced.

Speaker 83 My dad, you know, even though Salt Lake was, you know, really a stronger Mormon population when we moved here and we were the only like Greeks in our neighborhood for miles surrounded like by Mormons.

Speaker 83 We loved the Mormons and they were very supportive of our family. And, but we still kept our Greek culture going strong and continue to go to our church and keep the traditions going.

Speaker 83 And, you know, family is everything for me because I always say part of what's probably been my success on the show is I have a strong sense of self. I have a strong identity.
Yes.

Speaker 83 And you really have to have that and to be authentic. And I've enjoyed sharing more of my family, letting people see me more as a whole this season.

Speaker 65 Yeah.

Speaker 65 Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 68 That must be a real difference between you being a friend of and then all of a sudden, so what does it feel like? So you start as,

Speaker 68 let's walk through actually the beginning. So you hear that the real housewives are coming to Salt Lake City, I would imagine.

Speaker 83 And is it that you hear that they're doing auditions or that they're speaking to anyone in particular because i know you've known heather gay who was sort of the protagonist of the show for a very long time yes talk about the origins of how this all happened well heather reached down she said hi angie it's heather deans that was her name i mean i hadn't seen i hadn't seen heather in a while and she said um i'm referring you for this show for fabulous business women but nobody told me it was housewives so when i interviewed i was like um yes this is correct and i i mean i was like in i was like in my business suit and like, I was not giving any inkling that I was housewife material because they didn't tell me what show I was interviewing for.

Speaker 83 So I was just not very fun and playful, just being definitely really professional and probably more uptight. But they had already cast the six girls when they found me.

Speaker 83 So they circled around to me around season two. And that's when I just kind of like, you know, I made an appearance.
Heather invited me to her event and she was super supportive.

Speaker 83 She again followed up with production and said, you guys have to like circle back around to Sean and Angie. And then they did.

Speaker 83 And I came on slowly, which I think is the hardest way to come into this group and on this show.

Speaker 43 Right.

Speaker 83 Yeah, because they don't really welcome you. It's like, we're going to haze this girl.

Speaker 83 We're going to prove she's a fraud, that she's a money launder, that her marriage is a sham, that like everything about her is fake.

Speaker 83 um it was unbelievable for them i think that i really was successful and i thought i do check the boxes like i'd love to be on this show i wasn't expecting to get blindsided i thought I was like coming on because I was aspirational and share my life and my business.

Speaker 83 So I had to fight. And, you know, Mary said it best to me.
She said, Angie, like, they tried to take you out. She's like, you rebounded.
You came back. And like, you slam dunked.

Speaker 83 And like, I had to, I had to work really hard. to like show up on the trip and have people boo me for showing up uninvited which is the episode i was on with you going on watch what happens that was

Speaker 68 still to this day the trixie motel palm Springs sequence of episodes is probably uploaded from the best in Housewives history.

Speaker 47 I mean, it is.

Speaker 68 We thank God that you showed up to that trip on an outside.

Speaker 83 You know, that's what I had to say. Like, you know, that was one of the most iconic dinner scenes.
And I guess if I wasn't there, they would have just been getting mannies and petties at the hotel.

Speaker 85 So thank God I showed up and crashed, right?

Speaker 83 Blew up the party, as I say. But yeah, it's like, I think for me, I've had to work for everything in my life.
And you know what?

Speaker 83 I had to really work hard to get to not just start out as like coming and showing up to a party from guest to friend, but to going full time and then winding up center and first chair next to Andy.

Speaker 83 Like I worked hard for all of this. And that is the story of my life.
So I have to say, it's been hard, but it's worth it. And it's more worth it when it was harder to get where you are.

Speaker 83 And also having been the underdog, I think it sends a great message. I heard Brittany was on Watch What Happens Live.

Speaker 83 And I've only seen the clip because I was in Canada, but and Andy asked her if I should have sat in first chair and she said, no, it should have been an OG.

Speaker 83 And I just said, Brittany, girl, dream big, because if I shouldn't sit there, then you should never sit there. And like, I've always been a leader, not a follower since I was a kid.

Speaker 83 And I'm a leader in my business. And you know what? I wanted that center.
I wanted to sit next to Andy. And if you're going to be there.

Speaker 83 Yes, if I'm going to be an underdog and then make it to the throne, like I'm so proud of that. And I'm going to enjoy and revel in the moment.

Speaker 83 So I think that the message that I'm sending to anyone is: you can start at the bottom, you can be an underdog and wind up in the center.

Speaker 83 And I hope that that inspires Brittany that she's entitled to sit in that chair one day, too, if she gets her

Speaker 83 sit together with her hair.

Speaker 65 Yeah, but I think Brittany could want more for herself across the board.

Speaker 65 Absolutely.

Speaker 43 Brittany could stand for more across the board.

Speaker 83 That made me sad for her to hear her say that. Andy said, It's not about being an OG.
So I felt like he backed me there.

Speaker 68 It's not. Yeah.

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Speaker 68 What has your opinion been of Ronwin on the show this season? I know that the show is still in progress, but would you like to see everyone return?

Speaker 68 Do you you feel like this is a cast that we feel really works? I mean, I know that's how we feel.

Speaker 83 Yes. You know what? 150%.

Speaker 83 I love this cast. It's like, yes.

Speaker 83 Every person on this show is perfect. And I think coming back, it will be even better because I know you evolve with time.
You learn from watching yourself. Your friendships strengthen.

Speaker 83 Your connections to the women strengthen and they become deeper, which makes you have a better season because you really fall in love with some of these women, not all of them, but you really, I mean, you become a family and you can be more truthful, you can be more honest, you can stand on all 10 toes.

Speaker 83 I mean, everyone gets better every year. And I would, well, not everyone, but most of us, but the cast is like all-star.
And that's why Salt Lake stays winning. I think everyone should come back.

Speaker 83 And I think Bronwyn did a great job. I think she still needs to figure out who she wants to be friends with and where her loyalty lies.
And you can't be friends with everyone on this show.

Speaker 83 And the sooner she figures that out, she'll be winning because she's still trying to be friends with certain people, even if they dogged her.

Speaker 83 And like, you don't that, you know, you have to be confident, know that you deserve real friendships and not beg people to like you. Like find your friends, hold their secrets.

Speaker 83 You can't tell everything. You know, that's been something that I think she's going to watch back and realize like she's made some messes along the way.
And I think it's because she was.

Speaker 83 being friends with whoever was in front of her. And I think now she's going to learn that

Speaker 83 you don't do that, you know, because then you're backpedaling and you have a big giant mess to clean up. And there's a little more of that to come with her, but I think she's a smart woman.

Speaker 83 And by next season, she'll figure it out.

Speaker 57 Sure thing. I mean, it was interesting in this last episode.

Speaker 74 I think it was, it might have been Heather or Whitney, like broke down, like who was in conflict with who in terms of this housing situation.

Speaker 80 It was Lisa.

Speaker 58 Lisa.

Speaker 90 It was Lisa. It was Lisa.

Speaker 70 And it seemed like Bronwyn kind of had the most ire built up or like spread out across many different people.

Speaker 73 And so I think that's to your point.

Speaker 72 It's like, if you're trying to please everybody, then you please no one and then you get yourself in trouble.

Speaker 83 Well, and like, you know, being on a trip and she'd be in everyone's room talking about everyone. But her goal was, I'm going to be friends with everyone.

Speaker 83 But if you take information from room to room, you're not friends with everyone. And that will come back and bite you in the ass.
And I don't think she realized that.

Speaker 83 All you got to do is watch yourself one season. And again, she's smart and hopefully she'll never do it again.

Speaker 83 But I like to know that I can talk to someone and know it's not always going to go somewhere.

Speaker 50 Right.

Speaker 83 And that's why you've got to find your friends and stay loyal to them.

Speaker 83 Like to me, I think it took me a minute to really break out because I wanted to be a good friend and I wanted to be loyal and I didn't want to cross lines. But I think like you called me a slow burn.

Speaker 83 It's, it's better to establish, sit back and observe people, understand people and how they work, establish real friendships and real roots, and then you can be yourself more because you have more understanding of the group.

Speaker 83 If you come in and kind of blow everyone up and start talking about everyone to everyone, that that's going to blow up on you. And I didn't know that.

Speaker 83 I just did organically what I felt and being a good friend and being integral and like wanting to, I wanted to stay on the show as my real self, as a good person, you know, and not like blow people up or ruin lives.

Speaker 83 That's why I'd rather talk about high body count than be like digging in DMs and trying to ruin people's marriages or businesses.

Speaker 68 Like, that's not fun, you know, that I want to bring the fun to the show and how did i get onto me i mean we were talking about bronwin how did i turn this no no but i know no it's about you it does relate to you though and i think that so and i do want to speak on meredith for a second because that has been this has been like a and and i will say meredith is a friend of the show and we are we are angie fans but we are also meredith fans and so i guess what we would like to see is ultimately Well, it's kind of complicated, right?

Speaker 68 Because we love watching you guys face off.

Speaker 68 It is always fun to watch you guys be adversarial with each other but that being said we do really love you both and want the best for you both so i guess my question to you is do you see the value in having a faux like that and in that way do you feel like she's your most in a way valuable relationship on the show well thanks for saying that uh because I love that you guys are my fans stands because that made me feel like, oh my God, I am a good housewife.

Speaker 83 When I heard you guys like this, you're a great housewife.

Speaker 65 You're an incredible housewife.

Speaker 68 You're the third housewife I've ever had on Lost Coach coacharises you garcel and dr wendy are you oh my are you serious yes

Speaker 83 i am winning oh my gosh

Speaker 83 absolutely title of f is winning i can die now thank you wow okay well to answer that in the moment when i'm fighting with meredith my blood is boiling i'm in fight or flight i mean it is so intense for me And when you watch that back, like when I got kicked out of the bot mitzvah, for example, or when she yelled, you can leave.

Speaker 83 I mean, I was like, it doesn't translate on camera what I'm feeling inside because, you know, she had me in tears.

Speaker 83 And look, I know that I was inappropriate with my tits hanging out and saying the D word and saying the F word of her bot mitzvah, but like, um, her bot mitzvah did air. Okay.
So

Speaker 83 maybe this, I mean, but I do have to go back to like, you can leave. When she told me to leave, I'm like, I'm not leaving.
I deserve to be at this table.

Speaker 83 I deserve to be on this show and I deserve to be with this group. And I stood down and some of the girls told me no one's really ever stood up to Meredith like that.

Speaker 83 And that's why she can't stand you. And it was hard for me to do that because she's an OG.
And while it's my city, in her mind, it's her show. It's my city, and it's her show right now.

Speaker 47 That's an interesting take on that.

Speaker 50 So

Speaker 68 you believe that you are.

Speaker 75 more Salt Lake than Meredith Marks.

Speaker 83 She's not from me. I'm born and raised in these these streets.

Speaker 83 I mean, for real, I am so passionate about it.

Speaker 65 You're a pillar of the community.

Speaker 83 Goddamn pillar.

Speaker 83 But, you know, it's funny because when that happened, I mean, inside, I was just like shook and really deeply. And it felt like she was bullying me, trying to yell at me to leave this event.

Speaker 83 And I'm sure she had her reasons for saying that. I'm not perfect.

Speaker 83 And then when she did it to me again at the bottom, it's a I'm telling you, I'm in fight or flight. I'm like shaking inside.
I'm furious. I'm emotional.
I feel like crying.

Speaker 83 But when when i watch it back and when people like redo the scenes like i let that party and cried for three days it was so humiliating it was so cruel it was so demeaning and to me and uh i just felt like are you really trying to do this to me again like like making like It felt like she was trying to make fun of me.

Speaker 83 And then I felt totally set up, you guys. And that was why I cried forever after that, because I said, when she said, why are you even here?

Speaker 83 That was like,

Speaker 83 you invited me here and you brought me here to humiliate me. And what you just said is obvious that you want to humiliate me.
And now you're kicking me out.

Speaker 83 And it was so hurtful because I would never, I treated her like gold when she came to my home. I told my daughter to make eye contact, smile, welcome her in.

Speaker 83 I mean, I would never kick anyone out like that. It doesn't matter what the circumstances.
So I couldn't relate, but watching it back, it doesn't feel as dark as it did in the moment.

Speaker 83 And seeing like Ether Opal recreated with Barbie, seeing Andy last night on seeing like these big

Speaker 83 Julianne Moore and like Anderson Cooper recreate it now it's like they are bringing light to this moment and that's who I am like I am so funny in real life and I love to make people laugh so to see this be recreated and bring laughter to people yeah it softens it for me and you know what she is a good sparring partner for me she's a lawyer she went to law school to learn to argue but i am a damn hairdresser beauty school graduate with street smarts.

Speaker 83 Yes.

Speaker 84 And don't count them out.

Speaker 83 And don't count. That's what I say.
It's like, girl, you're a lawyer. You went to school to learn how to argue.
I'm just

Speaker 84 learning the states are over.

Speaker 83 I learned in the streets of Salazar.

Speaker 85 And so

Speaker 50 it's a cringe.

Speaker 83 That's right. Exactly.
So I just had to laugh because I thought, I am a good sparring partner for this woman.

Speaker 83 She may not want to admit it, but like, I've kind of taken her out pretty good for being just a little old hairdresser. So,

Speaker 83 look, I think there are some real feelings between us that are not good, and we don't really like each other.

Speaker 83 So, we have made for probably, I've heard from you know, some people that we are probably the best feud in housewives history.

Speaker 43 It's getting up there, it's getting up there, definitely.

Speaker 83 We're kind of in a better place, as you saw after last episode. Right.
I don't want to continue to do this with her, but you know, we're definitely very different.

Speaker 83 And it probably, I mean, you guys must agree that it makes for looking back and being able to laugh at it now, I can see that it does make for, for a good housewives feud and for good laughs.

Speaker 92 It's sublime.

Speaker 91 But I really love that you're talking about this,

Speaker 105 the stages of this, right?

Speaker 42 Because I've always been curious about the housewives where there are a lot of different echoes to each experience that gets captured on the show.

Speaker 61 You have the event itself.

Speaker 60 And in the moment, in the reality of it, you feel a certain way.

Speaker 91 When Meredith kicks you out of an event, that is so hurtful.

Speaker 72 And then you have to sort of relive that as the show airs months later.

Speaker 66 And then the third echo is the response to it.

Speaker 74 People are reaching out in the comments or they're tagging you and stuff, the memes of it.

Speaker 60 And then you see Anderson Cooper and Julian Moore do it on TV.

Speaker 73 And so, like, I'm so happy to hear that it brings light to that situation because I would think to relive it in three different waves is a lot.

Speaker 83 Oh, it, and you know what? And let me add drunk drum. Like, he's hilarious.
I just want to give credit to all the people. Yeah, drunk drum.

Speaker 83 When I re-watch this stuff, it softens the blow. And you know, you don't remember sometimes that I had no idea that would become so funny to people.

Speaker 83 And that made me happy and that made it easier to re-watch. And you never know how people are going to take things, but you're right.

Speaker 83 When, like, you know, last year, having to watch rumors about Sean, that was hurtful. I didn't love that for my family and for Sean and my daughter.

Speaker 83 And his parents are mine, you know, that that was hard.

Speaker 83 But this was a little more funny and lighthearted watching it but in the moment it cut so deep and you know heather called me every day after that and i was sobbing like i could i was on the verge of tears for three days so as it's happening it's so deeply hurtful to feel like you were set up or someone brought you there to make a mockery of you and then you know watching it and that's where the editors are just magic like the music and the like you said the little dings and all the stuff that can make it a little more light because we don't want our show to be dark.

Speaker 75 No, and it had, it had been in the past.

Speaker 68 And I think, I actually actually think if Salt Lake City had a weaker season, I would say it was the third season because it felt really bogged down in the Genshah darkness of it all.

Speaker 68 And I, I do want to ask about that situation.

Speaker 68 Like looking back on all of that, and I also, after this, I'll follow up with another question about how you see yourself in an edit because I always think that's fascinating.

Speaker 68 But first, I wanted to ask, looking back on the Jensha of it all and what you all went through, what are the feelings about that in retrospect and also going forward? And when it comes to Jensha?

Speaker 83 Yeah, you know, for me,

Speaker 83 you know, she overshadowed everybody with like her yelling and a lot of toxicity that came to the show. Like she was hilarious.
I will say this.

Speaker 83 She had a side to her that she could say the funniest things that would just have you rolling.

Speaker 83 I don't want to like negate from some of the good things she brought to the show because she brought some very like funny moments.

Speaker 26 She's a 360 person.

Speaker 83 Yeah. Yes.
And that was a side to her I loved, but she's hard to be on a show with because she blows up and everybody's scared of her blowing up and trying to keep her calm foresee.

Speaker 83 And so a lot of people just, I feel like, I hate to say this, but a lot of people really blossomed after she was no longer on the show. Absolutely.
And it's, it's a fact.

Speaker 83 Like, I don't think it's offensive. It's a fact.
And you've seen. And it was hard for me to be, I mean, she dumped a drink on my head.

Speaker 83 And it was like, if you're going to open your mouth, I'm going to like humiliate you in front of the whole world.

Speaker 83 Yeah. Yeah.
After I'd felt like I'd been a good friend to her. So I think for me, she's hard to be on a show with for that reason.
And it overshadows a lot.

Speaker 83 And, you know, so many, there were so many rising stars waiting to happen. Yeah.
And I think it took for her going away for people to be seen.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 68 I mean, especially because, you know, with her out of the way, they could cat.

Speaker 68 And also not for nothing, but what's really interesting is how it seemed like when that broke in season two, that she was being arrested on camera and that it was going to be seen and that there was going to be the fallout from that.

Speaker 68 It kind of felt like, how could they top this?

Speaker 68 And then for the aftermath and someone tangentially involved or actually pretty directly involved with everything going on with her, Monica, to become like the even more compelling, even more interesting thing the next season, I think just goes to show like it doesn't rely on any one person, not any single one of these shows do.

Speaker 83 Salt Lake City is an ensemble and it is the environment and the community of people involved that make it interesting and compelling yes you know and even like i relate it to being a business owner because we have like some super right stars in our business and you can never be held hostage as a business owner or you know on the show because There is always someone willing to come up and share their life.

Speaker 83 There's always another star out there.

Speaker 83 And no one should ever be held hostage in their business because we're always auditioning for our show for the show we're always auditioning in our business like we have to be on our game but there's always someone as they say cuter richer and skinnier i mean joking but you know what i mean that this is an ensemble cast and we just keep on growing and the show must go on and i think people need to know that and not take for granted their position Yeah, and just to follow up on what I was saying, like when it comes to seeing yourself edited into a reality TV character, that is something that I have always, A, not been able to wrap my head around in terms of like agreeing to be on something like that.

Speaker 68 I feel like that would really scare me. And B, something I have like a lot of respect for because you are giving a lot of your personal life, but they can only use not even 90% of it.

Speaker 34 They can only use 2% of it to get across to everyone who you are, what you're all about.

Speaker 68 And then the audience, the large audience, can gauge your likability or lack thereof. So I guess my question to you is, what is your experience in watching yourself as an edited character?

Speaker 83 You know, it's interesting. I feel like for me, it took the audience a minute to just get me.
And I don't know if that's because I was in fight or flight.

Speaker 83 When you're fighting, you don't get to just relax and let your hair down and be your funny self. So everyone's seeing you like in conflict with women, and that's not fun.

Speaker 83 That's why I've loved just seeing more of myself at home or where I'm more my natural self versus in conflict.

Speaker 83 uh but i will say my first couple seasons i don't think like my authenticity like my true self came out as much and i think people on production get to know you more and they get you more and maybe that's helpful when you're on for a little more time but like this season heather gay told me angie You are hilarious.

Speaker 83 Bring your thoughts external. And that was the best advice anyone has ever given me in real life and on the show, because because I would say all this, but this season, I said it all.

Speaker 83 And I feel like the show finally captured like my true essence. I don't think I really did that last season.

Speaker 83 So it's a combination of like maybe getting more comfortable in front of the cameras and somebody giving me permission to like, and you just say it. It's okay.
It doesn't matter what people think.

Speaker 83 Like that's you and that's what you think. And I thought, you know, I do have all these funny thoughts.
And I finally just let them loose this season. So yeah, it is hard.

Speaker 83 You'll never see 100% of who you are, but I think they give you enough moments now as they know you to let the audience see who you really are.

Speaker 83 So, this season, I kind of feel like they really captured me more of my wittiness, my sense of humor, my one-liners, and my real personality.

Speaker 83 There are a lot more housewives, so a lot of personal stuff for all of us was missed because when you have that many women and Brittany being filmed almost full-time, you can't share as much of your personal story.

Speaker 83 And we lost a lot of mine that, you know, stuff with my daughter that wasn't shown with her on her horse that I would love to share more, but there just wasn't enough time.

Speaker 83 So, but yeah, it's, it's, I definitely feel like this season captured more of it. So I'm happy with the season.
Uh, last season, not as much, you know, other than me just being in conflict.

Speaker 83 But I really, I feel this season that I had a great season and all more of my true authentic self came out. So I think they did a good job.

Speaker 74 I'm so happy to hear that because I will say, even with the hardships of last season, but going into this one, I think you are very

Speaker 70 easy to endear towards.

Speaker 60 Like, I think the audience in those moments of hardship, I thought you handled that conflict so well last season.

Speaker 74 And then I feel like, even in the big, splashy moments that are big swings in terms of the glasses or the scroll, I'm like, it all works.

Speaker 71 It all works no matter how silly or goofy or ridiculous or rehearsed or whatever it is.

Speaker 114 I don't even know if any of that was rehearsed, but I will say, like, it's just, it comes from you and that true, like, selfhood is so beautiful.

Speaker 58 And we, I look at any time

Speaker 114 anytime you do something, Angie.

Speaker 58 I mean, we're, we're all in the group chat just loving it.

Speaker 83 Oh my gosh, that means so much to me because I know you're both huge housewives fans and I just adore you guys. So for you to say that, that really means a lot.
Thank you.

Speaker 83 And, you know, like I am funny in real life. And these are things I would do in real life.
Like I have this little sample scroll here. And I just tell you, because I'm, I'm a perfectionist.

Speaker 83 Like I did practice unrolling it because I didn't know how to do it.

Speaker 26 It was, your timing was great.

Speaker 47 I commented on the timing, I believe.

Speaker 68 It was, it really, and also it being employed against Meredith, it made it work even more because she does, and I think she would own this, she does her ice queen thing. You know what I mean?

Speaker 68 She is, she is a little bit of, and I think, again, I say this with love for her. She is a little bit of an elitist who maybe would never do a prank like that or a stunt like that.

Speaker 68 So for her to be on the receiving end of a stunt like that is funny because it's her.

Speaker 83 Oh, I mean, she was clutching her pearls. She was just disgusted.
And you know, what's great about it is like, I just, I thought it was funny. And to me, I just thought, are you serious?

Speaker 83 She wants an apology. Like, I really meant to bring in the scroll.
Like, girl, you owe me an apology.

Speaker 83 But the only thing I did practice was unrolling it because I thought I've got this much time before she storms off.

Speaker 89 And it just came down.

Speaker 84 She disengaged.

Speaker 83 She disingered. I knew she disengaged.
So I actually thought she might laugh about it, but she didn't.

Speaker 43 That's okay.

Speaker 68 Really? Not even later? Because that's something I wonder is it's like, are you guys low-key when the cameras go down? Are you guys high-fiving?

Speaker 83 Never, no, no, no, no. We like aren't even looking at each other.

Speaker 65 It's like, oh, hi, oh, hi.

Speaker 83 Or we'll see each other thing, oh, hi, oh, I like your dress. I mean, there's just like these, these sort of like little break the ice compliments kind of thing.

Speaker 83 And, you know, we try to be nice, but for some reason, we always wind up back in conflict.

Speaker 83 And like, things are okay now, but it's like, you know, it's five minutes before we find something else to fight about i mean i always thought you know she'd find me funny because i feel like her husband's kind of a funny jokester but it's almost like she just doesn't get me at all it is funny that she does play this thing of like her husband is such a funny guy and such a both that like for her to be um so removed from that type of thing is a very funny juxtaposition yes but it makes her a great character on the show great you know what

Speaker 83 absolutely absolutely i had to step back and realize that like okay i may not like her but she's great for the show and yeah you know like i said we're in a better place now as you saw from the last episode the most recent episode good we'll see how long it lasts sure

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Speaker 18 you're one of my loved ones, too.

Speaker 43 Ah.

Speaker 59 I mean, in terms of you talking about this thing of like, in contrast to Bronwyn, like you really took your early seasons to observe, absorb, and then build relationships based on those observations.

Speaker 72 Talk about Mary because that came kind of, it seemed like it came out of nowhere.

Speaker 72 But in fact, if you go back and watch, like you were kind, you were always kind to her from the beginning, even when she outright rejected you in Palm Springs.

Speaker 66 That is speaking of.

Speaker 43 Like,

Speaker 91 you, you were very patient with her.

Speaker 80 And talk about that because you must have seen something early on to go.

Speaker 105 There could be a friendship there and it's blossomed into something beautiful.

Speaker 53 It is a highlight of the season.

Speaker 83 Oh, thank you. And it's been a highlight of my season, our friendship and our continued even off-camera friendship.
I really enjoy her and adore her and love her.

Speaker 83 She has let me in. And I always knew like if she would let me in and let the walls down, I just felt like we could be good friends.
I think the biggest thing.

Speaker 83 There was a scene that never aired and she said, why are you always so nice to me? And it was really embarrassing.

Speaker 83 And from that day forward i kind of stopped trying with her and i think kind of giving her space worked for her

Speaker 83 because i was trying to get to know her i'm a really personable uh i i can make friends with anyone so it was really hard for me to understand why she didn't like me you know like i just i i felt like we had so much in common and then she let her walls down got to know me you know we both lost our moms in different ways.

Speaker 83 We were both really close with our aunts and our grandmothers. And I think she realized we were a lot lot more alike than she knew.
And she loves that I'm religious. She says I'm wholesome.

Speaker 83 She loves that I'm a family person. And, you know, she sees all the real things about me that,

Speaker 83 you know, she sees me in a different light than some of my castmates. I think.
I think Mary knows that I'm her real friend and that she can trust me. And she doesn't give that to a lot of people.

Speaker 83 So I honor that.

Speaker 83 And I, you know, I'm very like, I'm a really sensitive, caring, loving person just by nature and you know there's a sweet scene for us coming up where I'm doing her hair and oh fun I'm just helping her get ready and it was really special to watch and I just thought you know I love caring for people and I think Mary

Speaker 83 feels that for me and she sees the real me. She loves my family.
She loves my daughter and she's let me meet her son and allowed me into her home when she has no makeup on and she's in her pajamas.

Speaker 83 So she's, she's let her walls down.

Speaker 60 What did that initial moment of the walls coming down look like even?

Speaker 96 And that's what I'm curious about.

Speaker 83 You know what's crazy? I saw her the cast photo shoot for

Speaker 83 the season right after Palm Springs at the end of the season. And she smiled and told me how beautiful I looked.
And then she said, your dress is my favorite. I mean, she was complimenting me.

Speaker 83 And that's when I, it was like a turning point where she was kind of like giving me the time of day, I guess. And she was very sweet and just very soft-spoken.
And I saw a different side of her.

Speaker 83 And she was kind to me at the reunion. So we had two great interactions.
And then I don't know what it was, but she just really started to open up to me after that.

Speaker 83 And it started at the reunion with a lipstick, which she swears it wasn't it. But I think that showed her like.
a little bit of a sign that I was a good person.

Speaker 83 And then I noticed her Tom Ford bracelets.

Speaker 85 And she said, that was the moment that she knew we were going to.

Speaker 83 Because she said, she said, no one else on the cast would know what those were, but you. So when you noticed them, I knew that I liked you.
And then from there, it just blossomed.

Speaker 83 And again, I think I'd also, can I say, she had a lot of reason to be defensive with the women from things that have happened in the past on the beginning. And I had never betrayed her.

Speaker 83 I had never lied to her. And the weird thing is, she, I can't even put my finger on our connection.
It's just really natural and organic. And I want to have real friendships on the show.

Speaker 83 I know people see that. They feel it's transparent.
If you're friends with someone because you're allies, so you you can stay on the show, or because they, they know something about you.

Speaker 83 I don't like that. And I think our friendship and the realness and the authenticity of it shines through and our love for each other shines through.
And she loves me, guys. I mean, she loves me hard.

Speaker 83 Like, she tells me that. And I feel that.
And for someone to feel that for Mary is like super special and it goes both ways.

Speaker 60 That's wonderful.

Speaker 75 Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 68 So, okay, let's ask you the question of this podcast, the central question, which is Angie Katsanavis.

Speaker 68 what was the culture that made you say culture was for you we've talked a lot about like how you have gotten on the show and like you know growing up in salt lake and i wonder if you can color in this final thing which is what was the culture that made you say culture was for you this is like there's like a two-sided answer to this i'm going to bring two things in a little bit yes okay of the greek culture because like I said earlier, I have such strong culture.

Speaker 83 I have such strong beliefs and views. And I have so much to share as far as the world, everybody has a Greek friend that they love, right?

Speaker 58 Matt's mine.

Speaker 49 Matt's mine.

Speaker 75 But

Speaker 68 I wish I was as in touch with that part of me as you are.

Speaker 67 To be honest with you, it's quite removed from me, but I'm inspired by how enthusiastic you are about your heritage.

Speaker 83 I want to help you. I'm going to take you to Greece.
But

Speaker 83 I'm so proud of that part of myself and that I can share that with the world. But I think being rooted in a strong culture has given me a lot of confidence.

Speaker 83 And that's something I'd love to share with the show but growing up we didn't have you know our ipads and our iphones so i always watched the golden girls and i was like

Speaker 83 wow like i'm a little bit of all of them like

Speaker 83 i'm like a little bit and a lot of rose nyland and like that's like my funny side that i bring to the show that i have my little like little moments where there's a splash of rose and then like my little moments of um blanche where i you know a little high body count if you know what i mean

Speaker 83 And that was like,

Speaker 83 and then little grandma Sophia, which reminds me of my Aunt Rita, where she's like, cut the bullshit, you know.

Speaker 83 And, but it's like, I'm a little bit of all those characters, but I loved watching that show because it made me laugh and it was fun and funny.

Speaker 83 And I love like bringing that light to the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. It's like the comedic relief when.
You don't even know you're doing it, but you make people happy and make people smile.

Speaker 83 And

Speaker 83 I loved that. I just, I loved that show growing up for me.
That was a standout show. And when I hear the theme song, like, I just get excited.
It's nostalgic.

Speaker 83 And they were like the real housewives of that era for me.

Speaker 47 Well, it's an ensemble of women.

Speaker 68 You know what I mean? When there weren't many.

Speaker 68 And I think maybe that had something to do with it as well, just seeing women interact with each other in a time when it felt like there wasn't much of that on television. And now we're so blessed.

Speaker 68 I mean, I think that one of the reasons why we enjoy the housewives so much is because we love just watching these women interact, even it's in conflict and joy and all all these things in real specific ways together.

Speaker 83 Yes. Matt, I love that like captures and articulates everything for me because it is a group of women.
They're all different. They all have something that anyone can relate to.

Speaker 83 Like I said, like I was like a little bit of Blanche and then a little bit of Rose and a splash of the grandma. But I love what you said.
It's like they've capture every character.

Speaker 83 And that is the real housewives. And they make us laugh unintentionally, right? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 78 I see the rose in you.

Speaker 60 I feel like you have this Betty White kind of like softness and like, and like

Speaker 60 sweetness and beauty.

Speaker 83 Well, and Bo, and thank you. Like I met her actually and Electra met her twice because with the Palmitch Hill schools, we fundraise.
And for years, we raised money for Morris Animal Foundation.

Speaker 83 So I sat with her at the fundraiser. We donated to her.
I have some photos I have to send you guys so you can see them. But I adore her.

Speaker 83 I read something that she said when she was an only child and it reminds me of Electra. And she would sit with her parents at dinner and they'd have fun, funny, interesting conversations.

Speaker 83 And she said, I always wanted to interject, but I needed to find the right moment to interject, to be a part of my parents' combo and say something funny. And I needed it to land.

Speaker 83 And she said, that's how she learned where and when a joke would land and her perfect comedic timing. And I love that about her because she was like so funny.

Speaker 83 And she just knew when to, but she was like a little naive, which.

Speaker 83 I have that too, you know, like I have, I love that about her because I think I have a little bit of that innocence. And like deep down, I think everybody's like a good person.

Speaker 83 And I think everyone wants to be my friend. And you learn on housewives, they don't.
But I like bringing a little bit of Rosen Island to the show. So that's a huge compliment.
Thank you.

Speaker 60 I imagine that dinner scape must have been something that you grew up with in terms of having so many siblings.

Speaker 73 And like that was a very lively environment.

Speaker 83 Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.
I loved coming from a big family. And if I wasn't such an old mom, I would have had more kids.
Knock on what I was blessed to just have Electra even at the age that I did.

Speaker 83 But yeah, I mean, I did. I love that chaoticness.

Speaker 45 How is Elektra dealing with her parents being famous?

Speaker 83 Well, thank you. I think she secretly is loving it now.

Speaker 83 And she said, mom, like all these kids are like, you know, she'll tell me little things that come up at school that people say, or I'll walk into her school and friends will want a photo.

Speaker 83 And, or they'll tell her, oh, my gosh, you're famous. I saw you on TV.
And, you know, she's a very mature little girl and she's very like well composed and super confident.

Speaker 83 So I think she's handling it well but i think she loves it now she's like oh mom i don't care that you're famous on tv but um i want to meet abbilee miller and can you get me a downstage um i want to meet george straight and now she's giving me a list of george straight that's so funny what a married taste she has yes oh yes

Speaker 83 yeah i mean she so now she's giving me a list of like mom can you hook me up with these people and i'm like give me a minute but she she loves going on watch what happens live she met lance bass she met bowen

Speaker 83 think for her, she goes back and brags. Like, that's so cool for her.
She just, she gets to meet different people there and meet Andy. So she's loving it all.

Speaker 83 And I think she's going to handle it well because she's extremely humble down to earth. She's very modest.
And

Speaker 83 yeah, she'll handle it all really well.

Speaker 60 I felt that when I met her. I was like,

Speaker 80 she has it figured out.

Speaker 71 Like she's very

Speaker 42 parents who love her.

Speaker 65 Thank you.

Speaker 73 I really felt.

Speaker 57 I mean, truly, because that was early on in your first full season as a housewife. And so I went there like not knowing too much about you, but I was like, oh, I was like, Angie's full-time now.

Speaker 74 Great. And like, this is her first watch, what happens.

Speaker 77 I'm just there to sort of like, just be there sitting next to her.

Speaker 73 This is a big moment for her.

Speaker 58 But

Speaker 73 meeting your family afterwards, I really saw sort of like the fullness.

Speaker 74 I was just like, oh, this is a wonderful mother, a wonderful wife, and a great housewife.

Speaker 83 Period. Thank you, Bone, for saying that.

Speaker 83 And, you know, with Electro, it's like, I think if any kid's going to handle fame or becoming famous or becoming, continuing on the show, she will handle it with grace and she will never be affected by it because she's so down to earth.

Speaker 83 But I have to say, I felt like after I watched What Haven't Live, I did leave there like, did he like me?

Speaker 85 Do you think he liked?

Speaker 83 And it was, I mean, so I just can't believe I'm sitting here on your podcast because I never knew.

Speaker 50 I was obsessed.

Speaker 65 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 83 I'm so happy that you loved me because I was sort of shy after that. And I thought, what if I follow him and he doesn't follow me back?

Speaker 68 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 77 Yeah. And it was such a quick follow.

Speaker 71 And then you sent in such great videos for the culture awards.

Speaker 43 We are, we are sitting with the Allison Williams Cool Girl Award winner.

Speaker 68 Okay. So we have some background.
So we were getting videos from Angie, including one from Greenpeace.

Speaker 68 Can you talk about filming at the Acropolis and what happened there when you sent, when you just went to go send in your video for the culture awards?

Speaker 83 You guys, I'm not joking. I almost got arrested making that video for you guys.

Speaker 87 It is a true follow-up.

Speaker 43 Yes.

Speaker 83 I hiked up there in civilian clothing with sneakers. I got up there.
Sean, I went up to that spot. They were closing.
The sun was setting. I tried to time it perfectly.

Speaker 83 And I was pulling the dress on and it was sticking because I was sweating so bad. And like my boobs were falling out.
I mean, I looked high body count. The boobs were coming out.

Speaker 83 I was trying to get the dress on and people were staring. Then I started to film the video.
And they have these officers standing around. And this guy came up.
He says, are you filming a commercial?

Speaker 83 You can, it is illegal. You cannot film it.
Give me your phone. And he was going to take my phone.

Speaker 83 phone he was going to arrest me i said no no it's just a little video for my friend i swear but you're not allowed to film up there and i didn't know that and i literally almost got arrested for filming that and and i wanted to get it to you too in a timely manner but i had to i literally landed and went up there that night you risked it all Yes.

Speaker 83 Yeah, I risked it all for last Cocharistas because you guys, you gave me the Cool Girl Award. And I was in there with Ariana Grande.
And I'm like, this has to be good. I'm bringing a gown.

Speaker 83 I'm sending a video from the Acropolis. I did it all.
I would have gone to jail. I would have gone to jail that night.
And thank God I didn't.

Speaker 83 Or unfortunately, I didn't because that would have been a great story.

Speaker 68 Camera's up in Greece.

Speaker 83 Thank God I'm like the biggest bullshitter and I'm a great negotiator. I talked him out of taking my phone.

Speaker 40 I'm a pillar of the community.

Speaker 85 I'm a pillar.

Speaker 83 Yes. And then thank goodness he didn't watch Housewise.
People were watching and seeing what, and then they were fans. So then they started.

Speaker 43 me.

Speaker 83 So I went down, I hiked down in the dress. I ran for my life.
I kept the phone and sent you guys a video, and I didn't make it in time, but it was a great story.

Speaker 33 It didn't make it in time.

Speaker 71 Are we allowed to post it?

Speaker 83 Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 71 We will be posting it.

Speaker 68 Yes, so now we will post the video finally.

Speaker 34 It is in vertical. So it's perfect for the talk.

Speaker 68 And we're going to get it out there.

Speaker 83 Think about it. Like, I could have gone to jail in a foreign country.

Speaker 84 No.

Speaker 83 So I'm so happy you're going to post that. That will make it all just like the video that they made last night at Wash Robins Live.

Speaker 83 It's these moments that make it worth getting arrested, getting kicked out.

Speaker 83 I'm down for getting blown up if it brings some joy.

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Speaker 68 Stay unblown up.

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Speaker 68 So what we're going to do right now is we're going to blow up culture. This is our 60-second segment.
It's called I Don't Think So Honey.

Speaker 68 So this is basically a one-minute rant, Andrew, where we take something apart that's bothering us in the culture or anything at large.

Speaker 68 Mine is not really pop culture specific, but it's something I've noticed in my travels on tour.

Speaker 75 And

Speaker 4 I got a shred on this one, Bo.

Speaker 60 Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey.

Speaker 4 His time starts now.

Speaker 68 I don't think so, honey, thermostats in hotels.

Speaker 47 Why are they so complicated?

Speaker 68 All sorts of people go into a hotel. We need to dumb this down.
How come I'm arguing and fighting with my thermostats in some of this hotel? I just want it to be warmer or I just want it to be colder.

Speaker 68 How come I'm pressing it up and it's arguing with me? I have not once been in a comfortable hotel this entire time.

Speaker 68 And I feel like I'm trying to pay for nice hotels to make myself have like a nice experience on the road. And I think, honestly, the nicer the hotel, the more complicated the appliances.

Speaker 47 And I'm like, it is counterintuitive.

Speaker 68 I am fighting with toilets. I am fighting with thermostats.
Can I also say a self-flushing toilet? Thanks, but no thanks. Some of these showers, some of the, I'm just trying to get hot water.

Speaker 26 It's crazy.

Speaker 68 It's like, and I'm colorblind.

Speaker 68 Sometimes I can't tell the difference between a little red dash and a little blue dash. I'm serious.
I need a big H and a big C. Please, hotels, make this easier for me.

Speaker 68 I just want to live my life in a comfortable way. I can't.
Seriously, a lot of times I don't even know how to turn televisions off, put lights on.

Speaker 68 I don't think so, honey, these hotels and the appliance culture.

Speaker 74 And that's one minute.

Speaker 60 Oh, man.

Speaker 16 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 83 So good.

Speaker 84 I agree with all of it.

Speaker 68 Have you ever gone into a hotel and the TV is already on? And it's like doing like the hotel messaging and it's like, you know, playing its resort commercial or whatever it is.

Speaker 68 And you just can't figure out how to turn it off. Sometimes they hide the remotes on you.

Speaker 68 I swear, it's like you think you're going to hook yourself up with a nice hotel and it gets harder to exist in them.

Speaker 27 Absolutely. No,

Speaker 83 I turn it off immediately. I don't want to.
It's the case for a day's in.

Speaker 68 It's the case for a day's in.

Speaker 40 Days in give it to you straight.

Speaker 83 Low body count.

Speaker 68 Easy to stay in.

Speaker 83 Days in would be a low body count.

Speaker 83 Some of the workers, maybe some of the girls that rent the rooms, there might be high body count.

Speaker 65 If you know what I mean, you know what I mean?

Speaker 75 Here we go.

Speaker 68 Well, honestly, I'm happy that they're in places where they know how to turn the heat on because I'm telling you, it's been a struggle bust.

Speaker 83 We're not staying there.

Speaker 60 Sorry, you're fighting with so much hardware.

Speaker 83 No, we're not staying there. Do people, do people, well, not after that.
I'm just kidding. Do people drop the F-bomb in these?

Speaker 43 No, absolutely.

Speaker 56 Oh, yeah. This is, it's a podcast.

Speaker 68 So we've said Way Filthier. Is there anything you could ever say, Andrew?

Speaker 83 Oh, my gosh. Is Bowen doing one or is it like I'm doing one?

Speaker 66 Bowen is up right now.

Speaker 84 Okay, good.

Speaker 83 This is warming me up.

Speaker 47 It's warming you up.

Speaker 68 Bowen, are you ready? Do you have something locked and loaded?

Speaker 73 I have something locked and loaded.

Speaker 81 All right.

Speaker 68 Well, this is Bowen Yang's final, I don't think so, honey, of 2024. And his time starts now.

Speaker 116 I don't think so, honey. I need to see the women on the Real House of Salt Lake City ski more, actively ski more, not going on the lift, not sitting down at a picnic table having an argument.

Speaker 66 I want to see them hit the slopes, go around the moguls.

Speaker 116 I want to see them actively do what they do best. I think there is nothing more aspirational than to see a woman looking fabulous.

Speaker 73 shredding powder down the slopes of Utah.

Speaker 71 As a Colorado myself, I grew up kind of aspiring towards a nice ski outfit.

Speaker 77 I finally sprung for one this year because I'm going to

Speaker 77 win a Breckenridge for Christmas. And I finally just like splurged on some Arcturics ski stuff and some nice goggles and some even helmet headphones if I want to listen to tunes.

Speaker 73 But I need to see the women ski more.

Speaker 71 I just want to see their styles.

Speaker 90 I want to see how they

Speaker 90 how they how they have hip flexor flexibility because I'm going to sundance.

Speaker 77 I'm so excited in January and February.

Speaker 90 I'm so thrilled to be at Sundance and I will absolutely be hitting the slopes and I will be thinking of these women every single moment.

Speaker 77 I need to see more women on Salt Lake skiing.

Speaker 49 And that's one minute.

Speaker 68 I agree with you, Bowen.

Speaker 83 We got that one fabulous episode where I was really, heather especially like shredding on the slope she's good are you do you identify as a great skier uh not when you have immigrant parents and seven kids we never got the ski my dad thought it was dangerous he thought it was too expensive we never did it no so now we go with my daughter but it's hard to learn at 50 years old like i'm scared and i just stay on the small hills and i don't want to break any bones of course i'm scared too i know i'll get hurt but bowen if you come i mean look i don't know if i was funny enough to get uh my contract renewed but if i come back and we're filming you might have to have a cameo because those are- Oh my god!

Speaker 83 Those are filming seasons for us.

Speaker 68 What, when during sundance? When do you start filming? Are you allowed to say?

Speaker 83 Well, normally we start filming the end of January, beginning of February, but I don't know if I was funny enough to get renewed. And I don't know if you are renewing it.

Speaker 83 Last night's reenactment of high body count hair is like maybe saying that I did something. So if I get renewed, maybe Bone could be in Salt Lake Wall filming.

Speaker 71 You're a lock.

Speaker 75 You're a lock.

Speaker 68 I'm literally texting Andy like after every episode, being like, this Salt Lake City is everything. And Andrew, I said, have you ever been as blown away by a rise of a housewife?

Speaker 56 And he, he is ecstatic.

Speaker 83 What did he say?

Speaker 68 Well, I can't say too much, but just I think, I think you're safe.

Speaker 49 I really do.

Speaker 71 I think he's very happy with all of you.

Speaker 83 I think that we have a great cast and he knows it. And so thank you.
And I like the word rise. I did have to rise up.
Man, they really

Speaker 83 took me out.

Speaker 65 So you threw it.

Speaker 83 Hey, Matt, being Greek, one story you do need to know is um, that like from the movie 300, where you know, there were 300 Greeks and 150,000 Persians. Yep, yeah, and guess what? Yeah,

Speaker 65 the Greeks did not

Speaker 83 defeated, yes, they did. Oh, now it's an important story to watch.
So, at the bomb, I mean, you'll notice me taking out multiple of these women at once.

Speaker 83 Yes, you are, you are the 301 person, and then blowing up the party and leaving. I'm getting good at it.

Speaker 26 100% you might, they might as well call you Gerard Butler.

Speaker 83 This is Sparta, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 84 So, I've I've got my Sparta.

Speaker 68 Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
Well, honestly, yeah. So Bowen is going to be in Sundance.
He has a movie coming out of Sundance, the wedding banquet.

Speaker 26 So are you a Sundance?

Speaker 68 Are you a Sundance person? Do you, do you?

Speaker 83 Well, you know, we used to do, we used to have a big tequila thing in our salon. We have a salon in Park City, Utah.
So you're going to have to get your high body count hair done when you come there.

Speaker 58 Yeah, we might want to come too.

Speaker 87 Park City.

Speaker 83 Yes. You guys all take care of your high body count hair.
And we used to host like an event up there with hair and tequila with Patron Tequila because our partner...

Speaker 43 Not Vita?

Speaker 83 No, especially not after what she's been doing to me this season.

Speaker 43 But no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 83 Our partner, John Paul DeGioria,

Speaker 83 he's our partner in Palmer to the school. He owned Patron Tequila.
So we have, yeah, we had a tequila bar in our salon with John Paul DeGioria. And he's our partner in our cosmetology school.

Speaker 83 So we used to host events up there every year.

Speaker 89 But I'd love to meet you up there.

Speaker 83 Yes.

Speaker 71 I would love to see you, Angie.

Speaker 87 Yeah, you're going to see me. I would love to meet up.

Speaker 83 You're going to be in a cameo in my scene if I get re-if I get

Speaker 73 it. Absolutely.

Speaker 83 I'm there. Yeah.
So we'll do a scene. Yes.

Speaker 87 Okay. Is this

Speaker 40 the moment?

Speaker 34 This is the moment.

Speaker 68 We jinxed each other.

Speaker 26 So, Angie Kay. Oh my God.

Speaker 83 Are you going to show me my times? Because I talk a lot.

Speaker 33 Bone, do you have the phone?

Speaker 73 I've got it.

Speaker 78 This is Angie Katsanavis's. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 4 Her time starts now.

Speaker 84 I don't don't think so, honey.

Speaker 83 I don't think so, honey. Look, you know what I don't like? I don't like high body count hair

Speaker 83 because it looks cheap. And when you've got high body count hair, your clothes look cheap.
When you've got high body count hair, your shoes look plastic.

Speaker 83 When you've got high body count hair, your face looks plastic. Everything about you suddenly becomes cheap.

Speaker 83 People want to come to my high-end luxurious salon, but they don't want to pay my high-end prices. Look, if you want to look expensive, girl, you got to spend some money.

Speaker 83 Like, you know, when you got high-body count hair and we can see the tracks,

Speaker 83 that's that's bad.

Speaker 65 And listen, if you want to

Speaker 83 cheap, if you're too cheap to come to the salon and pay to get your hair done, then if you're going to be bitching and from doing the kitchen, then don't come to Lunatic French.

Speaker 83 And listen, high body count hair can be sophisticated. It can be sexy, it can have volume, but if you don't do it right, high body count looks cheap.
And guess what?

Speaker 83 If you want expensive hair or if you want high body count hair and you don't like your look when you leave, we've got a get laid guarantee policy at my salon. Come back and I'll fuck you myself.

Speaker 43 That's a one minute.

Speaker 43 I'll fuck you myself.

Speaker 83 Honestly. I got to put my body count up because I have a low body count.

Speaker 26 Honestly, perfection.

Speaker 85 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 83 You guys, I was like, I forgot. That was, that was wild.

Speaker 68 Then now you know what we go through every single episode we've done hundreds and hundreds of these Do I take another stab was it good?

Speaker 26 No, it was

Speaker 43 perfect

Speaker 89 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 47 Okay, we loved it honestly.

Speaker 68 This has been such a wonderful time getting to know you better one-on-one

Speaker 68 We are just like so taken with you on the show and I I'm not lying. I mean, I think every bravo holic out there, certainly us, knows that Real House has a Salt Lake City is where it's at.

Speaker 34 And you've been a huge reason why. So

Speaker 81 thanks for all that you share and thank you for your time here today.

Speaker 66 This has been really fun.

Speaker 83 I had a blast. I want you to know how honored I am.
Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity.

Speaker 73 Honor's ours.

Speaker 71 We couldn't have asked for a better guest to close out the year.

Speaker 116 This has been such a fun one, but we, we, we've loved you consistently throughout because I mean, gosh, January 2nd was the finale, was was um reality bonte's of this year.

Speaker 9 And to have a full cat, to have a full calendar year of Salt Lake, it's the the thing that's gotten me through.

Speaker 66 Truly, I love it so much.

Speaker 68 It's crazy to think that that was this year.

Speaker 83 Yes. And do you guys know that we are one of the top 10 shows? Vanity Fair wrote us up as one of the top 10 shows in 2024.
This season, not last season. So our show is even better.

Speaker 83 Our finale is insane. Our reunion is going to be amazing.
Thanks, I'm like, the fact that you guys watch Salt Lake and love it, that just puts us on the map.

Speaker 83 Cause you two are like, yeah, hubby, your support has like literally made me feel like i've made it i'm not and you know what heather said she goes oh my gosh angie if matt and bowen love you like you've struck she told me that's like the biggest compliment we love

Speaker 85 every everyone i know you do

Speaker 83 when you're when you're new you're waiting for your flowers and when you guys give them it's like okay i can die now well let's

Speaker 34 all keep on living for more seasons of real house with salt like city

Speaker 68 airs on wednesday evenings so actually tonight you guys um when this episode comes out,

Speaker 68 if you're listening today, there's a new episode tonight. And how many more episodes to the finale?

Speaker 53 Are we almost there?

Speaker 56 We must be.

Speaker 83 I believe we have two more. And then, and then the

Speaker 83 finale. Well, yeah, we have one more.
There's three episodes in Mexico. I believe we just did our first.
So we have two more in Mexico. And then hopefully a three-part reunion.

Speaker 75 I would think so. Yeah.

Speaker 65 I would think so.

Speaker 68 They're going to want to milk this for all it's worth. Well, this has been so much fun.

Speaker 68 And we end every episode with a song. Bo, what's our song that we want to to end 2024 on?

Speaker 80 Oh, let's see.

Speaker 83 I feel like I'm having a Greek coffee with you guys. This has been so fun.

Speaker 40 What's a Greek song we should sing?

Speaker 68 What's the most famous Greek song?

Speaker 75 You take us out.

Speaker 83 A Greek song? Oh my gosh. But you guys couldn't sing along, so we've got to think of okay.

Speaker 68 Who's the Greek American?

Speaker 40 Who's this?

Speaker 83 He's from Greece. A song from Greece.

Speaker 84 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 43 Yeah, he says no word.

Speaker 26 Greece is the topic.

Speaker 43 And Greece is the way, way,

Speaker 65 happy 2024.

Speaker 83 I said we're spelling Greece like the country. Greece is the word.

Speaker 87 Exactly.

Speaker 50 Greece.

Speaker 47 Greece is the word.

Speaker 85 The country.

Speaker 65 Oh, my God. This is a beautiful.

Speaker 117 Lost Colds Reaches. This is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHARE Radio Podcasts.

Speaker 33 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

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Speaker 117 Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Mini LeBord.

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