"The Book Of Questions" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 2 Not just any other episode. It's our first December episode.

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Yes. Yeah, it's officially December, huh? Today is Wednesday, December 4th.
That means my tour begins tonight.

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Speaker 2 Listen, the people in Atlanta are very excited. Are they? I was just there for Thanksgiving and everyone's saying, I'm going to Matt's show.
And I said, well, yes, you are. Come on.

Speaker 2 And they were very disappointed that you did not go last year, not to put you on blast. I know, I know.
You know, it's okay. It's okay.
Atlanta, I'll see you this weekend. Don't be upset.

Speaker 2 Don't be upset. How was your

Speaker 2 Atlantin experience? They call it when you were, when you were there, are you at Atlanton? I'm Atlanta. You know, it was good.
It was great. Took the nieces to see Wicked.
They loved,

Speaker 2 you know, put together some Legos. We did a, they had a chic Lego set.
where

Speaker 2 it's wicked I bought I got them a wicked Lego set where it's the dorm room it's It's Glenda and Elphaba's dorm room, but it opens up into this diorama of the dorm room, but it closes into,

Speaker 2 oh, girl, I'm not touching that. Matt just pulled out a little pre-roll.

Speaker 2 Honey.

Speaker 2 Honey. Come on.

Speaker 2 Tell you a little story about the diorama. Oh, no, no, no.
It's over, basically.

Speaker 2 Well, so you, you basically,

Speaker 2 you saw an incredible Lego diorama with the girls. This Ellie girl is very quick on the Legos.
She put together in no time.

Speaker 2 What is it called? No time flat? No time flat. Is that what it is? In zero seconds flat.

Speaker 2 Zero to hero. No time flat.
Woo.

Speaker 2 Woo. Now here's a question that I have for you.
Because a lot of discourse about whether or not Wicked is actually for kids. Were they scared of the film?

Speaker 2 The scary parts have to do with history.

Speaker 2 I would say, certainly. And that's the only really scary thing.
And then, you know, there's fire, there's bullying, which is always scary, no matter what age you are. Yeah, no, that was really scary.

Speaker 2 But to speak on Chistery, would you say the film glorifies animal abuse?

Speaker 2 And would you say that this is your opportunity to speak out against the film for the glorification of animal abuse in the film Wicked?

Speaker 2 Glorifies it? No, it's not. Because the light on it.
No, the star of the movie. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Is an animal abuser, Wicked. Elf.
What do you mean? No, you're believing the wizards' lies and moribu's lies. If I come on here and I just like explicitly alt-right from now on, this movie is sick.

Speaker 2 They're taking people like liberal elite Bo and Yang are taking very young children to this movie that glorifies animal abuse. And it stars queer people in lead roles, and it's normalizing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it's it should never be normal. I'm not normal.
Don't normalize me. Define normal.

Speaker 2 I have a pitch for what this episode could be. Yes, yes, yes.
We just did a big culture catch up, right? Yeah. And I thought about this.
I was like, what will we even talk about? Nothing has happened.

Speaker 2 I bought this book, this used book.

Speaker 2 Used up. And from what I can tell, it came out in the late 80s, early 90s.
Okay. But I'm going to reveal it to you now.
Sure. It's called The Book of Questions by Gregory Stock, PhD.

Speaker 2 And I forget who recommended this. It was on some video of like what's in my bag.
And some chic celebrity had this.

Speaker 2 And she's like, you know, you just, you're on set or something. And like, rather than be on your phone, you just flip through.
This is an old book that you flip through and you just ask each other.

Speaker 2 Some of these questions are not super,

Speaker 2 super fun. They're a little too deep, but should we just flip through?

Speaker 2 Can I tell you something? Sometimes it's not the question that needs to be fun. It's about the answer.
You know, it's actually Rula Culture number 10. Sometimes it's not about the the question.

Speaker 2 It needs to be fun. It's about the answer.

Speaker 2 More value on answers over questions. How about that? Oh, yeah.
I mean, there are no stupid questions. There are certainly stupid answers.
Baby,

Speaker 2 baby. I'm into this.
So you're saying this episode is called the Book of Questions and we should ask each other from it? We should ask each other from it.

Speaker 2 And then I think we just have to pick a number from one to 217. Maybe producer Becca can help us with the number selection to randomize it.
But should I just read the back cover

Speaker 2 for everyone to get a sense of what this is about to be? Let us know what we can expect from this episode of Last Culture Eastas. Okay.
Big Head says, ask yourself, period.

Speaker 2 Ask your friends. Ask your parents.
Ask someone you hardly know. The book of questions gives you permission to ask those things that are too bold.

Speaker 2 too embarrassing or just too difficult to ask by yourself. You will find questions of integrity, of sex, of what you would do for money, even things too personal to talk about out loud.

Speaker 2 This is perfect. This is perfect.
One more little paragraph. May I? Yeah, oh, please, please.

Speaker 2 Whether you use it as a tool for self-discovery or as a provocative way to stimulate conversation, this book constantly challenges attitudes, morals, beliefs, and it challenges you.

Speaker 2 I'm speechless. I'm ready to embark on this.
I'm speechless.

Speaker 2 becca get in the chat get in the chat becca okay you need an active role in this episode okay oh she's already given us a number okay what does she say number 11. all right

Speaker 2 okay let's hear from bow and yang this is the first thing

Speaker 2 can we and can we get a sound effect we don't we won't know what the sound effect is until later but when after bowen says number 11 and before he reads the question we need some sound effect and we are not going to weigh in on what it is.

Speaker 2 Whatever our incredible engineers and editors, Doug and Mo choose, is what we're going to go with. Yeah, Doug and Mo, have fun with this or don't.
Just, you know,

Speaker 2 get it out of the way. This is a big ask.
Yeah. We're throwing this at you last minute.
Yeah. But feel free for this to be something that you just check right off the list.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And if it's no sound, then that's also okay too. If you're slammed, don't worry about it, but we're giving you an opening here.
Carte Blanche.

Speaker 2 My favorite line from Public Affair by Jessica Simpson. Ready, set, go.

Speaker 2 Does she sing carte blanche in the song? She says carte blanche. You need to write a single called carte blanche.
Carte blanche. Carte blanche is a really good title for a Christmas song.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Carte blanche.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's good. Okay, I'm ruminating on that.
You should ruminate, honey. All right.
Full of new ideas.

Speaker 2 By the way, oh my God, can I just, before we get started on number 11, congratulations to my move-in silence sister, Matt Rodgers, on the new single Santa Boy. It is fantastic triple A pop song craft.

Speaker 2 Well done. Well, thanks.
I didn't know about this. You didn't tell me.
I was moving in silence about it. I was moving in total silence about it.
And I just decided, okay, now's the time to put it out.

Speaker 2 I wanted to put out one more fun song before we embarked on the Prince of Christmas tour because I felt we were missing a true dance pop. And I want want to see all the RPKFs shaking ass to this song.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. By the way, just to set things up, get there on time if you're coming because I'm not waiting like 10, 15 minutes to go on because it's standing room and it's going to be like a music show.

Speaker 2 And we don't want to keep people who get there early standing. So if you're coming to the show, get there on time.
I'll get you out of there in less than 80 minutes. How about that? 80, 90 minutes.

Speaker 2 Wow. That's the perfect Goldilocks zone.
Well done. Shout out to Henry Kaperski and Ethan Christopher, who this is his first song he ever co-wrote.
We wrote it together. Ethan.

Speaker 2 Of course, Leland and Gabe Lopez fucked it up. They absolutely went so hard on the track.
Way too hard. Way harder than I think I deserve.
But I'm so

Speaker 2 come on. It is what you deserve.
It is what we deserve. Leland, Gabe, Ethan, Henry, Matt Rogers, bravo.
Bravisimo. Santa Boy, streamer.
Thank you. My absolute number one.
I love you.

Speaker 2 To say nothing of number 11, which is, I guess, where we're headed.

Speaker 2 Should I read it? Yes. Number 11.

Speaker 2 You are given the power to kill people simply by thinking of their deaths and twice repeating the word goodbye. People would die a natural death and no one would suspect you.

Speaker 2 Are there any situations in which you would use this power?

Speaker 2 No, I'm not killing anybody. Oh, yeah, sure.
I'll kill like.

Speaker 2 Don't say that.

Speaker 2 You have to cut that. We'll cut that out.
I would kill, I would kill

Speaker 2 certain people who abuse power. By the way, this has gone already so left.
In such a direction, I didn't see. The questions will really run the gamut.
Would I kill anyone? You know what?

Speaker 2 If I saw in a moment someone trying to physically harm someone I deeply cared about, I would do it then. But I would never like premeditate.
I would use this power of number 11 as self-defense.

Speaker 2 And I would just want to say, going forward, if it ever does come to light that I've quote unquote killed someone, just know it was self-defense. I would never premeditated kill someone.

Speaker 2 I'm not a killer. I don't identify as a killer.
Whenever I even see movies where there is a killer, I never understand them. I don't identify with any of these girls.

Speaker 2 How could you snuff out human life? It's so crazy. I just don't think it's your responsibility.
so you're saying that you would

Speaker 2 only use it if you were in a situation where you saw someone harming your friend like if i saw someone rushing you

Speaker 2 if i saw someone rushing

Speaker 2 i can fend for myself don't worry bowen no you can't not if you're back yes i can first of all it's don't make this into a i'm trying to save your life

Speaker 2 so get bent you know what just get him go get him he doesn't want my help go get him Oh, so you'll kill me.

Speaker 2 You won't use the power so that I will die.

Speaker 2 No, he's making a face. He's making it now.

Speaker 2 What's the thing I was supposed to say? Goodbye. You just twice repeating the word.

Speaker 2 Goodbye.

Speaker 2 He lives. You were just.
It didn't happen. A pelican didn't fly through the window and its beak didn't impale his skull like a girl.
Hold on. Hold on.
Oh, it's natural causes. That is, whatever.

Speaker 2 I guess it's a natural cause. You just gave 11 Stranger Things

Speaker 2 down.

Speaker 2 Millie Bobby could never. You're about to get a nosebleed.
I did think when I saw that character, I thought, should be me, should be me.

Speaker 2 I mean, not no. So, what about you?

Speaker 2 Now you said, but you don't feel comfortable. You would do it.
I would do it. But you just said you wouldn't snuff out human life.

Speaker 2 There are absolutely situations where someone's death would be helpful to the greater good.

Speaker 2 Honestly, yeah. It's like that question that they asked, right? Like if they gave you a baby and put it in your hands and you said, what's the baby's name? And they said, Adolf.

Speaker 2 This is Adolf Hitler. And the baby in your arms was Adolf Hitler.

Speaker 2 W WJD. I know that's one of the questions.

Speaker 2 Jesus.

Speaker 2 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 I don't know. That's a tough one.
That's a really tough one. I would use that.
One option is you could run away with the baby and put it in a nice atmosphere. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's this is about current day Matt Rogers in the year 2024.

Speaker 2 If you were given the power to kill people simply by thinking of their deaths and twice repeating the word goodbye, would you do it? Depends on the day.

Speaker 2 Likely no. No one would suspect you.

Speaker 2 You just have to live with, you just live.

Speaker 2 That's the thing is like my brain works over time and I wouldn't be able to live with the guilt. And I don't think neither could you.

Speaker 2 I definitely would have a hard time.

Speaker 2 I just think

Speaker 2 certain deaths

Speaker 2 could be good.

Speaker 2 I hear you. I hear you there.
I think, how about this?

Speaker 2 If this power ever happens to either of us, let's tell each other. Yes.
And if something comes up where it feels like someone should,

Speaker 2 let's just talk it through.

Speaker 2 But then it's, oh, it's a one-to-one vote. Like, it's, it's, there needs to be an odd number here.
Let's also say that.

Speaker 2 Becca needs to weigh in if we were to have the power. And that includes you, Becca.
If you were to have the power. Becca, what do you think?

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 just to be clear, the power is to kill anybody and no one would know. And it would be

Speaker 2 a natural death. A natural death.

Speaker 1 Natural death.

Speaker 2 Oh, it would be. I missed missed that part.
Okay. Like a heart attack.

Speaker 1 They would just die and no one would know.

Speaker 2 Now I think the whole thing is less fun.

Speaker 1 Death only by brutal.

Speaker 2 Only by brutal. I mean, like, if we're going to kill someone, at least let's have fun doing it.

Speaker 2 Like, I wanted, like, honestly, when I was just 11ing, whoa, that's kind of funny that her name is 11 and this was question 11. Oh, my God.
That was true.

Speaker 2 This is one of the spookiest episodes yet. And I thought it was December, not October, but it actually is one of the scariest episodes we've ever done so far.
Period. First line of the description.

Speaker 2 In one of the scariest episodes yet,

Speaker 2 Matt and Bowen, yeah, go through the book of questions. Unleash the power.
So Becca.

Speaker 1 Okay, the fire sign in me, like my double fire big three is like, kill somebody.

Speaker 2 Killers. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Like, I can think of specifically like two people on the top of my head, but I'm like, they're gone.

Speaker 1 But I think the guilt would riddle me. Like, of course.
I couldn't sit being the only person who knew that, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 What is the emotional, what is the interiority of knowing that you have the power, even if you don't use it? You're like, I have the power.

Speaker 1 Ooh, that I feel like would weigh on me because like, it's just like life or death is in your hands.

Speaker 2 It's like whatever death note kind of vibe, you know? Yeah, it's death note. Yeah.
I deeply just want my own little positive life. You know what I mean? Like, of course,

Speaker 2 I don't even want to think about it.

Speaker 1 That's what I think is the worst part because it it is very heavy on you. It's like you carry darkness.

Speaker 2 You essentially are the Grim Reaper. Yeah.
Are you comfortable with that?

Speaker 2 If you're comfortable with the knowledge that you, Becca Ramos, are the Grim Reaper. Oh,

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know about that. I don't know how I sleep at night as the Grim Reaper.

Speaker 1 It's like, what if you have the wrong thought and then someone just dies? You know, you were just having a bad day.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 And that would happen to me.

Speaker 2 We've all had bad days.

Speaker 1 My best friend's ex thought about it too hard.

Speaker 2 Of course. It's over.
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. Plus, it's better for those people to live.
Better for them to live and see you thrive.

Speaker 1 I want to know they're miserable in every lifetime.

Speaker 2 Yes. There's an asterisk at the end of this question, and I look to the back.
Okay. And there's an additional follow-up question.
And I think we're all in agreement with this, but I'll read it.

Speaker 2 If you can imagine yourself killing someone indirectly, could you still see doing so

Speaker 2 if you had to look into the person's eyes and stab the person to death? Have you ever genuinely wanted to kill someone or wish someone dead? No. No, that is not an impulse I have.

Speaker 2 That's if someone answers yes to number 11 asterisk, that's concerning. The book of questions is crazy.

Speaker 2 When was this published? I just want to make sure everybody over 1 million in print.

Speaker 1 This is like the dark version of We're Not Really Strangers.

Speaker 2 This is, this was published in 1985. What's We're Not Really Strangers?

Speaker 1 Oh my God, you guys don't know?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 I am the queen of We're Not Really Strangers. Okay, so it is, I'm like, do I go grab it? It is this card game that is kind of intimate and they have different versions of it now.

Speaker 1 They have like a friendship version and a family version, but the whole point is that it is three sections of cards and you go through them one-on-one with somebody and they kind of get more deep as you go through.

Speaker 1 And at the end, because you do like about six to eight cards per round, like a question and they ask you a question and you answer them, kind of like this book.

Speaker 1 And then as you get to the end you then write a little note uh about your experience with this person and you give it to them and they read it

Speaker 2 oh it is very intimate but i love it that's a lot friends and family that is a lot you make everyone play it i'm like you want to get close to me we're playing we're not really strangers right now I thought you were going to say that like this was like a light version of that New York Times questionnaire where like you ask these questions and you fall in love with the person, which does not work, by the way.

Speaker 2 No, it does not work.

Speaker 2 But this sounds even more intense.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's pretty intense, especially because they have now all these expansion packs. Like they have like the early dating expansion pack, which I do recommend.

Speaker 1 If you're like on a date three with somebody, bringing that out to be like, are we worth dating any further?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I was just going to say the craziest people in America are doing this on dates.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Not the craziest person is doing the big one on the first date. That is like.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, that's absurd. That's, we need, I, I would think number 11 about those types of people because literally I'm like, you're like, I don't know you.

Speaker 1 We don't need to be having this conversation.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 They have like a long-term relationship one, like if you've been in a relationship.

Speaker 2 Oh, sure.

Speaker 1 They have like a family one. They have like a deep friendships one, like people you've been friends with, like you guys for years.

Speaker 2 If you're Snowden with your significant other,

Speaker 2 perfect game to play. It's cute, like box.
Oh, Snowden with significant other, you bring out

Speaker 2 what's it called? We're not really strangers.

Speaker 2 We're not really strangers. And that's a rule of culture.
Number 72.

Speaker 2 Snowden with your significant other. You bring it out.
We're not really strangers.

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Speaker 2 Should we do the next question? Yes, Becca. Now give us another number.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Three.

Speaker 2 Three. She's staying on the low end.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Another.
Okay. This is another really intense one.
I mean, I guess this is the book of questions. Do it.
Do it. That's the book of questions.
Number three.

Speaker 2 If you were to die this evening with no opportunity to communicate with anyone, what would you most regret not not having told someone? Why haven't you told them yet? Oh my god. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 This is so crazy. We can't answer this.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think we have to. We have to, we have to do this.
Oh.

Speaker 2 My brain goes one place.

Speaker 3 Like

Speaker 2 it's parental. Yeah, it's about the parents.
Oh, wow. This episode went so hard into the book of questions.

Speaker 2 I don't even like putting this out there, but like, if someone in your immediate family were to go without you girl this is so crazy without you being like thank you for you know pouring everything you had into raising me into giving me a good family a good foundation like i respect and love you so much like you know what i mean like that is something that i think

Speaker 2 is so worth it to share with parents. But the thing is, I think that there is no more intimate relationship than, if you really think about it, like the one between parent and child.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like that is like, hopefully, if all works out, yeah. Well, yes, but I mean, like, when that relationship exists, like that is the most intimate thing.

Speaker 2 And I think it's so intimate that it's like the true base of your emotions is revealed in that expression of gratitude for being on this planet. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like that is very intimate, that acknowledgement and that, you know, it's especially when, you know, you're someone who grows up and like like anyone i would imagine that there's strife between parents and children you know everyone has those issues and those blocks but that for that reason is probably my answer to this question is why haven't you told them yet because it's very hard to like i don't know access that all that i know I always want to go beyond the moment of telling either of my parents that I love them, which I do all the time.

Speaker 2 And they get very vulnerable and they kind of cut right to like the heart of something where they're like, yes.

Speaker 2 I'm like, whoa, like, all right, like, this is not the right time or place for this conversation. And I wish I killed that instinct a little bit more.
Of theirs?

Speaker 2 Of mine to be like, to like, I don't shut it down, but I kind of dismiss it. And I'm like, no, I should, I should let that play, let that breathe.

Speaker 2 Like, it's, there's a reason they're communicating this. And yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, for all the hardships that like my, my parents and I have had, like, now it's so beautiful and lovely and it's, and it's always been in a way.

Speaker 2 And, and I just want to tell them, like, none of this would have been possible without you. And,

Speaker 2 um,

Speaker 2 they gave me an opportunity, even though they did not, by like literally moving out of China so that I could have been born and moving to the US and making sure I was okay for the most part, even though they didn't understand what I was doing.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 that is a huge thing for them. And

Speaker 2 can you imagine moving to a place where you don't don't speak the language, where you are immediately

Speaker 2 a different,

Speaker 2 like you're immediately marked in the society as someone who's different and someone whose assumptions are created about you? Like, I mean, the sacrifice is immense. Yes.

Speaker 2 They tell me this all the time, and it's not to guilt me, but it's like they want me to internalize that. And I have, and it's just, but no amount of

Speaker 2 thought about it will ever like

Speaker 2 make that unremarkable. It's so remarkable.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Also, the totality of

Speaker 2 so basically,

Speaker 2 I don't know if you noticed this. I'm sure you do.
And I'm sure that's part of what you're getting at. But my father has become so much more emotional as time goes on.

Speaker 2 I think it's because the estrogen starts popping in men as they get older. And I just think about your father.

Speaker 2 And to understand and really wrap your mind around what that sacrifice ended up doing in a macro sense, in a cosmic sense. Like

Speaker 2 he moved to this country, well, countries, you know what I mean? Like, made it work so much so

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 his son is a superstar.

Speaker 2 But here's the thing: I'm going to say it.

Speaker 2 You're shying away from it, but wow, if you could go back in time and be like, you might not even understand this later, but your son is going to be able to literally pursue his dream in America and become

Speaker 2 so brilliant at it that it's inspiring and changes things for other people.

Speaker 2 I mean, I just hope that part of what they're experiencing when they are trying to say that to you is that they acknowledge that, how successful they were.

Speaker 2 That's just something that I think is truly an incredible story. It is an incredible story.
They had one outfit per year that my grandma basically sewed her six children pants. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But she hemmed the pants to like short little pants, right? And then as they got older, they had one pair of pants their entire childhood into their teenage years.

Speaker 2 And then every year as they grew, she would take the hem out and then just roll it down.

Speaker 2 Like they had one outfit for their entire, and they would sleep together in the same room, huddled together in the cold of inner Mongolia with no light.

Speaker 2 Like, it's like my grandma had her feet bound two generations ago. My illiterate grandmother was raising six kids with her feet bound.

Speaker 2 And like that practice had been illegal for like 20 years in China, but then she didn't know about it until someone from the coastal cities like went into God, the landlocked parts of that country and they were like, take the binding off.

Speaker 2 Wow. It's

Speaker 2 it's crazy. It is crazy.

Speaker 2 And I think that that is, that idea is so big. And there's complicated feelings with people.
Like, even though those sacrifices have been made, it's, there's, of course, just that,

Speaker 2 because then you are an American child growing up. And like, you know what I mean? There is something about.

Speaker 2 I think I experienced with my, with this with my father, too. I remember one time

Speaker 2 it came up that

Speaker 2 I was going to have to go to work one day in high school to my bus boy job and it was raining. And I said something like, I hope they call me off work because

Speaker 2 I could use my time better being at home, like studying or something or like doing something else. And I don't want to go to work because we'll make no money.
And my dad lost his mind on me.

Speaker 2 And he was like, you go to work.

Speaker 2 And we had this crazy fight. And I did go to work, made no money, came back early.
But later, he knocked on my door and he was very tearful. And he was like, I'm really sorry I overreacted.

Speaker 2 I just sometimes wish your grandfather was an influence in your life. And that's when I realized he was like really going through something and thinking about his own father.

Speaker 2 And it was like, obviously, like baggage that was coming out.

Speaker 2 But there's this idea that, like, when you think about your history and your lineage, there is a guilt because people didn't have options in terms of comfort, in terms of, you know, trajectory of their life.

Speaker 2 Like it was just you woke up and you did it and you put your head down. And I think generationally, that is difficult for people to wrap their heads around.
Like someone who is a baby boomer.

Speaker 2 Like in America, you know what I mean? Like have a different idea of what it means to like

Speaker 2 go about things. And I think I was experiencing that in that moment.
And it's like, from you to your father to his father, those are three completely different abject realities. Totally.

Speaker 2 So, of course, there's going to be like lack of understanding. But for you, it's like from your father to his father, it's like the through line there.
And I hope, I'm sure you were impacted by that

Speaker 2 overreaction on his end, but it's like,

Speaker 2 that is like you getting this work ethic that like, no one works harder than you. No one works harder than you.
Well, that's very nice of you to say. I would point to yourself.

Speaker 2 But I mean, like, I remember it was so unfair at the time that I was being treated this way.

Speaker 2 I'm sure you know what it's, what I'm talking about when it's like, this is something that my father is just wrong about. I know you know.

Speaker 2 But it's like, now looking back, I'm like, I do understand it. I have compassion and empathy for it.
My dad used to tell me when I was very little, very little.

Speaker 2 One of his famous lines was, I know everything. And if you ever ever question, you ask me.

Speaker 2 And I actually believe that. Yeah.
And I don't, I understand what he's trying to do. I don't know if I, I don't know if I would do it.
Well, my, you know, my dad is my dad, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, he's, he's very similar to me. Like, we both have very performative personalities.
We're both, you know, gravitate towards being the center of attention.

Speaker 2 And I think that, like, he would say something like that because he doesn't want me to value someone else's opinion or knowledge in the world over his. You know, he's my father.

Speaker 2 But then, when they reveal themselves to be human beings later, that is when you, as a son, there is a moment of like, you almost feel frustrated about it.

Speaker 2 Not that you were lied to, but that it almost feels like, oh, you didn't know everything. You're a human being just like everyone else.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You second-guess everything.

Speaker 2 But it does become like a core belief. But then it's great to know that your parents are human.
You would want to say all of this and more to your parents to answer the question. I mean, yeah, right?

Speaker 2 Like, it's hard. Like, I remember we've, we've had moments where it really does happen more with my dad and like it happens less with my mom, but I think he becomes more emotional as he gets older.

Speaker 2 And I think you're recognizing that as well. Right.
Absolutely. And as we're talking about this, like to go back to going to Atlanta for Thanksgiving, like

Speaker 2 I just know for a fact I got so stressed out because the kids, you know, had moments as they should their kids. They had moments where they were distressed.
Well, chistery was being abused.

Speaker 2 Chistery was being abused and there was a whole bunch of stuff going on. You know, every other hour, there was just some kind of mini meltdown.
And

Speaker 2 I realized that that's normal. But for me, I was like, this is more stress than I've ever felt than I've felt in the last two months of work and Wicked Press and like all that stuff.

Speaker 2 I'm like, this is more. Anytime someone's like, I don't know how you do it.
I'm like, no, that's easy.

Speaker 2 Like, what's hard for me is watching these beautiful children get stressed out and then my sister and my brother-in-law having to handle it and my mom having to handle it. But I'm like,

Speaker 2 shout out to the parents. This is my thing.

Speaker 2 I could never do it. And my thing is, like, anytime someone asks me what your drag name would be, anytime someone asks me, like, what would your like restaurant be called or whatever?

Speaker 2 I'm like, I don't know the answer to that because I have too much respect for the thing to know that I would never be in that situation. Right.
I will never, I will never.

Speaker 2 I have such reverence for my parents, for your parents, for any parent who does

Speaker 2 and drag artist and restaurateur

Speaker 2 who pours their heart and soul into this thing.

Speaker 2 Like, I could never. Literally, I could never.
Well, I feel like a couple of our group chats have been active. And because it's the holidays, and people be texting,

Speaker 2 so everyone is saying the same thing, which is, I'm never having kids. I'm never having kids.

Speaker 2 Like, even the people that wanted kids in our life are suddenly turned around and be like,

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 it's tough.

Speaker 2 It is tough.

Speaker 2 Wow. The book of questions.
The book of questions is popping off. Okay, Becca, give us another number.
One through 217. Yeah, come on.
Let's get deep.

Speaker 2 Not that we haven't yet. But it means deeper than numerically.
Okay, she says 152.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay, here we go. This is.
I like this number. 152.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is simple. Okay.
What do you value most in a relationship? And I guess this is open-ended. I guess this could be romantic.

Speaker 2 This could be acquaintanceship, friendship, whatever, in a relationship. I'm going to say, I'm going to interpret this as romantic, I guess.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Let's choose to interpret it romantically. What do you value most in a romantic relationship? I'm going to say something that's kind of like an eye roll, maybe.
Yeah. But comfort.

Speaker 2 I think comfort is an incredible thing to look for, and it's so valuable. Everything else falls into place.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I think once you're comfortable, I think that's literally, I mean, that's where vulnerability comes from. That's where understanding comes from.

Speaker 2 I think that's obviously what I'm going to say comes comes from this, which is trust,

Speaker 2 which I think is so different than honesty. Yeah.
It's so different than all those things. Trust.

Speaker 2 Like it really hurts when someone breaks your trust.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Totally. I mean, that's like betrayal.
I mean, it's, oh,

Speaker 2 yeah, I don't know. You can trust me and then turning around and being untrustworthy.
That's true villain behavior. That's evil ass.

Speaker 2 It is a mutual sort of buy-in, right? In a way, it's like you trust the person.

Speaker 2 And so therefore, what dictates your behavior around that person is to make sure that you build that trust with them and that they trust you

Speaker 2 in return.

Speaker 2 And then when that is, when that is violated, it is so painful. It's not so good.
But then in terms of comfort, too, it's just like, you know what? I've been like dating a lot.

Speaker 2 And like something I'm, I think I'm trying to find now is like instant comfort. Like like it's gonna be some like it's gonna be some kind of sign,

Speaker 2 you know, like me too. But that is,

Speaker 2 that's bad. If you feel instantly comfortable, that's when your guard is down.
That's when you start looking the other way. That's when you start ignoring things.

Speaker 2 And I also think comfort, at least for me, is also based in a little bit of like sexual attraction. It's like, oh, I'm comfortable here.

Speaker 2 Like I think I could like ultimately potentially use my body in a certain way with this person. Yeah.
Like, and I think that that

Speaker 2 maybe I'm just thinking about my own past, but that is what makes you ignore red flags, both in the other person and yourself. It's just important that I just don't want to get fooled again.
Totally.

Speaker 2 That's trust. I feel like that's trust too.
Like, I trust you to,

Speaker 2 I trust you enough that I'm going to use my, to use your words, use my body in a certain way.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, mean, it's certainly noticeable. My I don't think honey later is about a certain thing, but because that I guess we're kind of saying the same thing ultimately.

Speaker 2 Like, I want to be able to be really available to you

Speaker 2 and not be

Speaker 2 sorry later. Totally.
I guess the subtle difference in our answers is I'm thinking of comfort in terms of like internal comfort, like between the two people or whatever, and then

Speaker 2 outer comfort, which is to say that, like, which is the classic thing of like, can this person, like, can I leave this person alone at a party? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Not that that's like the thing that I value the most. It's just like a good sign.
It's that, that's a sign of comfort. That's a manifestation of comfort to me.
Can I, I have the scenario.

Speaker 2 I'm like, this is so eye roll, but I'm like, can this person hang in the fire island house of like me, you, Josh, Aaron, Patrick, Witt, you know, like everyone in the outside.

Speaker 2 Is that what you would want? I also think about this. I sometimes think about,

Speaker 2 would you want your Sigo to be around all the time?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know yet.
Yeah. I think I've had versions of both.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and what would you prefer one? I actually, I have no idea because, I mean, out of everything I've been in, like, I clearly still don't know what's the best thing for me.

Speaker 2 That's kind of what I'm still looking for. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 But what, to use Henry Kaperski as an example, like a Sigo who was around all the time.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And everyone was thrilled about that.
Absolutely. And now look at you guys, you're like, still, you still have a wonderful friendship.
But I'll say this, and this is not revealing anything.

Speaker 2 I think, because I think he would say this, he wasn't always comfortable with it. Oh, of course.
So, you know what I mean? It's like, you like,

Speaker 2 it's a lot to be around a lot of people who are like, you know, whatever comedians and like on all the time. Oh, my God.
It's interesting. It's a little bit of like an ask,

Speaker 2 you know, when not that I feel like it's an ask to date me, but it, I get why someone wouldn't want to. Oh, it's

Speaker 2 a huge, it's a huge asterisk, yeah. It's a risk,

Speaker 2 you know, it's a lot, it's a lot. I don't know, it's just a lot of energy, yeah, that goes in and goes out.
That's what it's about, yeah.

Speaker 2 Anyway, okay, I love that question too: comfort and trust. I'm sure people will agree.
Some people out there are going to be real horn dogs. They're just like a good dick,

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Speaker 2 Let's go with another question, Becca.

Speaker 2 Give it

Speaker 2 206. Okay, you're really playing the extremes and the polls.
I like it. Okay, number 206.

Speaker 2 Would you be willing to eat a bowl of live crickets for $40,000?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 A bowl of live crickets for $30,000? I'm chomping down on them, thereby killing them. Yeah.
I've had bugs in the past, totally fine, kind of flavorless.

Speaker 2 It's just a texture thing, and it's just a mental thing of like, oh, I'm swallowing a bug. And that's, but once you get past that, it's like, oh, it's fine.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think I might need to see

Speaker 2 the crickets. The bowl here.
Okay, let's Google. Let's Google a bowl of crickets.
Becca says, if no tax, yes, like cash money. Crazy answer.
Like, so you would do it for $40,000, but not what?

Speaker 2 $32,000?

Speaker 2 Sure. Becca, no.
That's

Speaker 1 never. Okay, when I think about the lottery, right? And how people are like broke after they win the lottery or like when you get those cars in Oprah and then you're in debt.

Speaker 1 Like I want to see like a trunk of cash and they're like, here you go, babe. No if, ands, or buts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Crickets, here's a catch. Yeah.
But if there's work for me after I eat those crickets.

Speaker 2 There's no catch.

Speaker 2 Let's just assume there's no catch. I mean, I am just saying.
Yeah, I'm thinking. What is

Speaker 2 crickets?

Speaker 1 Can you see? Yeah, I'm showing a bowl of crickets.

Speaker 2 I put it in the chat. I put it in the chat.
Oh, see, I don't know. This bowl of crickets is so crazy looking.

Speaker 2 It's a big all. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
It's like, I would need to see the bowl because suddenly it's like $40,000 seems not enough money for this. Like,

Speaker 2 this is probably

Speaker 2 not only physically difficult, but like digestionally impossible to take all these crickets to the tumb. Can I actually modify this question a little bit? Can you? It's the book of questions.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes, yes. Well, look, it was published in 1985.
$40,000 in 1985 is the equivalent to $115,000 now.

Speaker 2 Okay, now let's look at this Cricket Bowl again. All right.

Speaker 1 And that's what I'm getting. No tax?

Speaker 2 $100,000. You know what? $400K? $100K? Sure.
Can I make an addendum on the question? Yeah. Can I put buffalo sauce on this? Yeah.
They didn't say you couldn't. Then I'll still do it for $40,000.

Speaker 2 I love buffalo sauce. I'll put it on anything.
Yeah, put it on anything. I would do barbecue.
That's what the difference is.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm doing. You know, I love Buffalo, too.
You know, I love Buffalo. Girl, come on.
Anyone who's not like a Buffalo fan, I could not date them then.

Speaker 2 That might be close to the top of the list, like things you're looking for, the traits, without the question. Buffalo lover.
I need a Buffalo lover for sure. Toss me in it.
Toss me in it. All right.

Speaker 2 Becca, new number. New number.
They were clearly running out of ideas. They started so hot at 3 and 11, and then they were like, would you eat a bowl of crickets? 69.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 This absolute freak for sex. 69.

Speaker 2 Can somebody match Becca's freak? Number 69.

Speaker 2 If a friend were almost always late, would you resent it or simply allow for it? Can you be counted on to be on time? Okay.

Speaker 2 I've had conversations with people even after they were like 45 minutes late once. Yeah.
I'm like, that wasn't okay.

Speaker 2 I'm generally,

Speaker 2 I have my moments. Like today, I was late.
I asked to push our, you know, Zoom back five, 10 minutes. Not that late.
I mean, you asked for five and then I said 10. Well, that's not late.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to say that I'm always on time. I try to be.

Speaker 2 Okay, can I, and let me, let me also throw out there. For me personally, 10 minutes late is not late.
It's not late. Like 10 minutes late is not late.
Like I don't, I don't really care.

Speaker 2 You, you text me and be like hey i'm just running 10 behind i know you're on your way 10 minutes in the grand scheme of life i can sit there becca says 30 plus minutes is late agree that's like if someone were almost always late that would be an issue if you're over 30 minutes late all the time it's definitely an issue because why should i take on the responsibility of navigating my own shit around the fact that you're always late.

Speaker 2 Because then guess what? We can't, I can't say it out loud. I can't have an honest conversation with you.
I can't honestly be like, okay, well, you said two.

Speaker 2 I'm going to show up at 2:30 because you're you. Ha ha ha.
Because then you're going to show up at three.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And now we're an hour after when we want it to hang.

Speaker 2 So I don't know. Just understand like that.
Chronic lateness like that, RuPaul says that's being addicted to the feeling of being late. That's an addiction, actually.
Whoa.

Speaker 2 Totally. And I also am like,

Speaker 2 if you can't be

Speaker 2 dependable with other people, then there's something about you that is not dependable to yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, first of all, I think one of the reasons why there aren't people in my life that I have this problem with is because if you have displayed this behavior, I wrote you off already.

Speaker 2 Unfortunately, yes. Kind of.
I mean, like, if you're so, I will never

Speaker 2 forget one time years ago, I let Catherine Cohen sit at a diner for 40 minutes waiting for me. I will never forget it.
The guilt. Always felt bad about it, the guilt.

Speaker 2 And I could tell she was annoyed and she should have been, but like she also sat with me still and gave me 45 minutes of lunch at the diner that I did not deserve because 40 minutes late is crazy.

Speaker 2 And it haunts me the one time. If this was something about me,

Speaker 2 like that was a reliable thing, the only reliable thing about me is that you're unreliable. Oop, that's not going to work.
That's not gonna work. Hmm.

Speaker 2 All right. I feel like so far, this is a nice sampling of questions.
This has been a roller coaster ride. Okay, should we do a few more? Yes.

Speaker 2 Let's do three more. Three more.
Three more. Okay.
34.

Speaker 2 Our freaking age. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
Number 34.

Speaker 2 What was your most enjoyable dream? Your worst nightmare? I think I have my worst nightmare for sure. Okay.

Speaker 2 And it's really dark and it's really vulnerable that I'm sharing this with everybody, but I'm happy to.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I have a dream that I, from childhood, that I still think about, which is crazy. So maybe I'll go there.
Go there,

Speaker 2 whatever you feel comfortable with. Is this the vulnerable one? No, I mean, they're both kind of, they're both like random and weird.
They're dreams. I know my nightmare,

Speaker 2 but I'm still thinking on my dream okay my dream i had this when i was like seven

Speaker 2 and for some reason it was i woke up in the most euphoric state and i still think about it and i don't know why but it was basically like it was a dream that turned into a nightmare so

Speaker 2 it was that i was like

Speaker 2 on the phone

Speaker 2 before FaceTime, it was like, I was on like a video call.

Speaker 2 So like as a seven year old, like with technology did not exist back then, so it blew my mind that I was talking to like a class full of girls my age, but of just a bunch of cute girls. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 For some reason, it thrilled me that I was talking to all these cute girls who were like, We love you, Bowen.

Speaker 2 My gay adult ass. For some, I don't know what this means subconsciously, but like there was something about that dream where I was just in heaven talking to all these people who like adored me.

Speaker 2 And it was like attention or something. I don't know.
But then then the call ended with them being like, oh no, the bully is here. The bully is here.

Speaker 2 And then I was like, I'll protect you. And then somehow, fast forward, I'm on a bed, jumping up and down the bed, fighting, fist fighting the bully while we're both jumping up and down on this bed.

Speaker 2 And then I woke up from the dream. But I still think about this.
So random. What stage were you when you had this? Seven.
Seven.

Speaker 2 I still think about like, oh my God, the thrill of just like talking to like

Speaker 2 cute cute people, like cute girls. Do you know who those girls represented? The Katies.

Speaker 2 Yes. Oh my God.
Katies, let's do a FaceTime and you guys tell me who the bully is and I will fight them. We need to find out who the bully is because

Speaker 2 we have to go. It was just literally have to go.
It was like a big kid and I was like a small scrawny guy. Hundo.
Okay, so that's my most enjoyable dream. Do you have one?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I am going to share this

Speaker 2 one that i've had not had had a dream when i was little and this one always stuck with me because it really was scary and sort of surreal and twisted

Speaker 2 i remember i was dreaming that i was with a bunch of my friends like in some sort of cave but we were all muppet babies

Speaker 2 So me and my friends were Muppet babies and we were like in this cave, like

Speaker 2 sort of aware of the fact that there was a monster.

Speaker 2 And then I remember like coming around a corner, and then being in my childhood kitchen.

Speaker 2 And my mother

Speaker 2 was making food in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 And I was calling out to her, like, mom, I think there's a monster. But she couldn't hear me.
Like, I was like, and I was Muppet baby-sized.

Speaker 2 So I was- Was this a generic Muppet baby, or were you like a scientific Muppet baby? I don't really remember, but like

Speaker 2 we, that's what we were. You were a cute little puppet,

Speaker 2 I was like a little animated Muppet baby. Oh,

Speaker 2 and so then I'm in my kitchen, and I'm like, Mom, there's a monster coming, and she can't hear me, and she's like, I'm putting something in the oven, the oven is involved.

Speaker 2 So then the monster comes around the corner, and it's it actually

Speaker 2 he was like,

Speaker 2 you know, that McDonald's character, which is like a bunch of strings. He's like, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, Grimace, I think.
No, Grimace is purple.

Speaker 2 The little

Speaker 2 fry guys.

Speaker 2 God, what was the...

Speaker 2 They're little pom-poms.

Speaker 2 Google McDonald's fry guys.

Speaker 2 Fry guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 literally a lot like this. That's scary.
Tall, but tall and like orange and very another Muppet in a way. Yeah.
So he comes over to me, picks me up, puts me in the oven and closes the door.

Speaker 2 And I looked out the oven at my mother and was yelling, mom, mom, mom. And she still couldn't hear me.
And I remember like just

Speaker 2 the idea that I wasn't heard when I was screaming for help from this monster and that I was too small to get anyone's attention. Like that stayed with me for a

Speaker 2 long time.

Speaker 2 And it's one of the very few dreams from my childhood that I remember because it really like shook me. That's a nightmare.
That's your worst nightmare. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then a dream, I don't know, anyone where I

Speaker 2 sex.

Speaker 2 I love any of my dreams.

Speaker 2 And if you know, you know, when you have like a full-blown like narrative in it, like sometimes I'll feel like I woke up from a dream and I feel like I started in Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 2 Like when you, whenever you have a dream that's like an RPG.

Speaker 2 Bitch.

Speaker 2 You can play them in real life.

Speaker 2 Maybe I should. Sounds like a dream to me.
Oh, I think you would like some. Girl.
Girl. My nightmare is really bad.
Wait, you don't want to? It involves me, like, killing someone.

Speaker 2 I, like, beat you. This is the death episode in a way.
Who did you beat the shit out of in your dream? This, I was at a grocery store, and then, like, I just, I didn't shop.

Speaker 2 I didn't steal anything, but I was like leaving the grocery store, pushing my cart. And then this woman chases after me.

Speaker 2 She's like, you took, you, you stole this. And I was like, no, I didn't.
And she was like, she was about to kill me.

Speaker 2 And then I like picked up my cart and swung it and just kept hitting her with my cart.

Speaker 2 It's so dark.

Speaker 2 My worst nightmare is like my own action and my the violence that I was capable of in that moment. Very calling back to number 11.
Well, yeah, that's what's disturbing to me.

Speaker 2 But meanwhile, I'm, I'm, I, I'm answering number 11 saying, yeah, I would, I would do it.

Speaker 2 But like, there's something about the power of murder, of killing someone that like,

Speaker 2 breaks your soul.

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that is a horrible feeling to have to sit with.
I'm sorry, that's your worst nightmare. Anyway, it's such an easy answer.

Speaker 2 I was like, that is the most disturbed I've ever felt. I need to start writing down my dreams more.
I think that would be interesting, like taking a dream journal. Do you ever do that?

Speaker 2 Have you ever done it? The times that I have the wherewithal to like grab my phone or whatever and type the dream in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I got so inspired by Kirsten Dunst, like her using her dreams as

Speaker 2 acting sort of like guidelines. I tried that for a thing, and I don't know if it really helped.
For what? Wedding? Banquet? No, for

Speaker 2 I forget something.

Speaker 2 I guess we'll have to see in your upcoming performances which one feels the most dream inspired.

Speaker 2 Subconsciously informed.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right, let's get another number.
I feel really sort of naked in a good way. Like, I feel like everyone's really getting to know me.
217, the last one.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is very interesting. Let's hear it.
Number 217.

Speaker 2 If you were guaranteed honest responses to any three questions,

Speaker 2 who would you question and what would you ask? I guess.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's skip it. No, honestly, like, I know who I would ask, and think I know what the three questions were, but

Speaker 2 and I think I have asked them, but I just don't know if they were honest answers. The thing is, like,

Speaker 2 this is a deep one, and this is going to take me a while to answer, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, this is this one's tough. There's an interesting reason why this one's last.
It's an expansive question. Yeah, they really kind of, I don't know, this almost feels like cheating.

Speaker 2 They ate with that. They really, they, they definitely

Speaker 2 okay, Becca's saying number 103.

Speaker 2 Number 103,

Speaker 2 does the fact that you have never done something before increase or decrease its appeal to you?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 decrease.

Speaker 2 I think decrease. Comfortable.
Yeah, at this point.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
At this point in my life,

Speaker 2 this goes back to the comfort of it all. I'm like, I have felt thrills

Speaker 2 of all kinds. I'm good with something even.

Speaker 2 i'm good with boring i was actually just thinking the other day like about i don't think my sister's having kids i'm not having kids probably like i was thinking about my parents again being like oh they won't get to be grandparents and then i thought to myself well not everyone gets to have every experience and that is okay

Speaker 2 and also

Speaker 2 I don't know. I also related to like skiing.
It's like, maybe there's a reason I haven't done it yet because my leg would snap in half. I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's just, I think that that's like, this is like this question is scarcity mindset. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't, I'm not self-conscious about

Speaker 2 experiences. I have plenty.
I'm all about

Speaker 2 an interpersonal

Speaker 2 thrill.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't have to have it be this like activity. I love

Speaker 2 activity. I just don't know if that's like the gradient that I'm I'm thinking about necessarily.
I agree. I agree.
I mean, I think like I've done

Speaker 2 things to do them

Speaker 2 already.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, there are things that I've done that I want to explore further.
Yeah. Because I've already done them and I'm like, I liked that.

Speaker 2 Like, I want to go like, I want to hike more intentionally and intensely. I want to like learn new languages.
I want to like do, I just, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I want to like do stuff that I already know that I enjoy. Yeah.
And that there's a wide expansive horizon for

Speaker 2 more to come, you know? Agree. Agree.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 New questions. New question.
Let's do one more. One more.
And then we'll do Out of Things, honey. 22.
Oh, my God. I'm so happy you said 22.
That's my lucky number.

Speaker 2 This is going to be a great question to end on.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Interesting.
Number 22.

Speaker 2 If you could use, this is kind of similar to the first. All right.

Speaker 2 If you could use a voodoo doll to hurt anyone you chose would you oh my god see yeah this is very similar to the it's very similar

Speaker 2 11 and 22 they got lazy they got lazy it's not voodoo killing someone

Speaker 2 becca saying she might do that no because you know what like putting someone in pain this is even worse than the other one because the other one is like you'll think of someone and then they'll die of a peaceful death natural causes this is like wanting to cause someone pain it makes me even more uncomfortable yeah yeah This book is so cursed.

Speaker 2 The book of questions. The cursed book.
Who wrote this? Gregory Stiles? Gregory Stock says, if you could shoot, if you could use a voodoo dollar to hurt anyone, you chose, would you?

Speaker 2 Okay, so your answer is no. I honor that.
I don't want to hurt people. I really don't.
And I hate like... I know.
I don't have that kind of ill will.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I don't want anyone to be in any pain. I just.

Speaker 2 I really don't. like that's I don't know like when people are like

Speaker 2 are people born good or evil I'm like good

Speaker 2 hmm interesting what if it was

Speaker 2 no I don't want her in pain I don't want her to be in really

Speaker 2 no

Speaker 2 you're not gonna want this in the episode okay yeah we'll take it out

Speaker 2 well okay Becca's asking what if it was a bad migraine once a month

Speaker 2 I don't want people to feel nauseous and in pain because of me life is they're gonna feel pain no matter what life is suffering have you seen madness

Speaker 2 but that's i have that doesn't mean that you should be the person to explicitly contribute to that physical suffering you guys are scaring me with your devil's advocacy i'm not kidding i've not been a devil's advocate i've been mostly aligned with you except for the first and the last question That you would kill and cause no, no, actually, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Actually, we are aligned on the first question. Like, it's, it's not worth the

Speaker 2 guilt.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But I would have guilt about giving someone a migraine.
I wouldn't. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Migraines are awful. They are awful.
They are debilitating. I knew a waitress named Crystal.
She had to leave work.

Speaker 2 And her dad had told her, you have to go to work. She had to leave work.

Speaker 2 And she had to go home and face her father, who no doubt was like, if your grandfather was around, he'd be so disappointed in you while she clutches her temple, nauseous in pain from a migraine, debilitated, unable to see out of one eye.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't wish a migraine on my worst enemy, I swear. And trust and believe

Speaker 2 a lot of these questions about causing someone pain. On my worst day, maybe I get a little edgy in terms of this question, but on today, no, it is December.
I'm the prince of Christmas.

Speaker 2 I can't be giving people migraines. No, you got to give gifts.

Speaker 2 You have a title to to uphold. That would be bad for business, Bo.
Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 North them Cole, a migraine.

Speaker 2 I feel like people have made up their minds about me at this point. And I'm like, well,

Speaker 2 I can kind of do whatever I want. This is what makes you Alphabet and me, Glinda.
You realize this.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Although

Speaker 2 I would say Glinda would align herself with power, which is, I guess neither of us are doing that.

Speaker 2 It would be... No, trust me like galinda would never give someone a migraine on purpose

Speaker 2 alphabet wouldn't give someone a migraine on purpose what are you trying to say yes she would no she wouldn't the wizard of oz

Speaker 2 no

Speaker 2 no she wouldn't and no let me quote her her father nobody in all of oz no wizard that there is or was is ever gonna bring me down that's protective bro She's not saying fuck the wizard. She's saying.

Speaker 2 So you don't think in order to protect,

Speaker 2 she would like like give him a migraine? You forget that. Can I say something? There is so much revisionist history here.

Speaker 2 And the wicked film not only glorifies animal abuse, but also erases the fact that Elphaba, if she loved Fiero so much, why did she set him on fire in the Wizard of Oz movie?

Speaker 2 There's a huge plot hole. Huge plot hole.
The timelines are different. It's silver slippers, not ruby.

Speaker 2 It's like...

Speaker 2 Come on. Come on.
We're not doing this. No, no, no.
In The Wizard of Oz, watch The Wizard of Oz again. I've seen it, and I know what you're really abusive.

Speaker 2 Excuse me, you've spoken a lot, and you've got to speak many lines in the film Wicked, but I didn't get my opportunity. So I want to enter the wicked universe and say, there's something wrong here.

Speaker 2 There's something really wrong here in Oz. You're anti-wicked because you think it's about, it glorifies animal abuse.
It glorifies animal abuse

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 and I believe it's revisionist about alphabet's physical abuse and this is I believe it's revisionist

Speaker 2 okay I've had it we've done the wicked press tour okay now here's my real feelings I feel it's not PETA

Speaker 2 Wicked thinks it's PETA it's not PETA

Speaker 2 it's like how crash thought it was anti-racist and it was racist and it was racist wicked thinks it's saving the animals last i checked i'm watching this movie and a monkey was in agony what they had to do to that monkey on set yeah that was that was not a good day that little that gorgeous little deer that's our that's our tandy newton

Speaker 2 crash now you're out of this woman

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Speaker 2 Now let's move on to I Don't Think So, honey. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. I have a good one, actually.
Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
Well, first of all, I don't think so, honey is our one-minute segment where we take one minute to

Speaker 2 rail against something in culture. Matt Rogers has something.
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
His time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 If you're going to send a sexy DM and it's fisting, you have to say that beforehand. Well, no.
I am so on board with people out there if they want to send me their sexy DMs.

Speaker 2 Like, you want to send me a dick pic on DM? Like, truly, my DMs are open. You want to send a little sneaky ass.
You want to send whatever it is.

Speaker 2 If you're empowered to send me this type of material, I support you. I embrace you.
I do think so, honey. I don't, however, think so, honey.

Speaker 2 If you're going to send, and this is not a king shame, I swear to God, everyone, do whatever it is you're going to do consensually with your partner or partners. I don't care.

Speaker 2 But if I open my DM and like, it is something that is going to sexually shock, disturb, and turn me off, I have to know beforehand. That

Speaker 2 feels like animal abuse. When I'm an animal, a human is an animal, and you send me just straight up fisting out of nowhere.
I don't think so, honey. I feel animally abused.
That's one minute.

Speaker 2 And there's something very nuanced here, which is this is not a king shaming moment. It is

Speaker 2 a moment of

Speaker 2 there's no sort of like gut check either way about it. You have to ask someone if they're okay with certain things.

Speaker 2 Period. And here's the thing.
Like the person that sent me this,

Speaker 2 we have had a like exchange nudes relationship in the past, but this was a jump forward to the point where it was like, if your intent was to test me and see what my limits are, truly just ask.

Speaker 2 I will tell you. Like,

Speaker 2 very static, positive, forward person. When that is on the table, I will talk about it.
Let's get into that. That's literally communication.
100%.

Speaker 2 And whoa,

Speaker 2 gay guys, slow it down when this is the deal. I mean,

Speaker 2 I'm shook about about it. There's some good ones out there.
Gay guys. Oh,

Speaker 2 some of my favorite people. Absolutely.
Some of my favorite people. And some of them.
But when they get on DM, I mean, listen, it's a spectrum. Yeah.
Gay guy is a spectrum.

Speaker 2 It's actually real coaching number 30.

Speaker 2 Gay guy is a spectrum.

Speaker 2 But I have to say, and I kind of now my perspective on this one gay guy has to change a little bit because I feel I was like

Speaker 2 animally abused through the phone.

Speaker 2 It's just the worst medium for animal. Be like, hey, are you into this, that, the other?

Speaker 2 Then we can actually get into it so that when you send me this, I'm not on lost coach being like, I don't think so, honey, your actions. Hey, I have a video of me fisting, getting fisted.

Speaker 2 Is it okay if I send this? Correct. You can say no.

Speaker 2 I would be like, I'm going to respectfully decline. I politely decline.
And then you would have still maintained that nude sharing relationship, friendship. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I could have grown into something else. Also, or I go, yes.

Speaker 2 And then I can't complain when I see it and it ruffles out to me. You know what I mean? But like, give me the opportunity to have a say in my experience here.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Because you can't see what it's going to be when it's one of those DMs that goes away. You know,

Speaker 2 that is my. I don't think so.
Honey, I'm going to say that. It's okay, Bo.
I survive. Yeah.
I wouldn't give that person a migraine.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You ready? Yeah, I feel like this is going to be a rehash of something that I've surely talked about before, but it's, it's, it's, there's, there's a new sort of resonance to it for some reason.

Speaker 2 It'll be fresh, new, brand new, different,

Speaker 2 and more. I'm sure, I'm sure pertinent.
Here we go. This is Bo and Yang's.
I don't think so, honey, his time starts now.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey, TikTok, or at least my experience of it, because it's not even the algorithm anymore.

Speaker 2 It's for me, my experience of TikTok is I log on and 20 of my notifications are of someone who thinks they're being cute tagging me saying, oh my God, this person person looks just like Bowen Yang.

Speaker 2 It's an Asian person. It's a little Asian baby dancing around in like a little elephant costume.
Trust me, I've seen it. You guys can stop tagging me in that.
No, thank you.

Speaker 2 It makes me not want to use the platform, which I guess is not my. It's just like, I'm not missing out on too much.

Speaker 2 I'm happy to get the detritus on reels weeks later, but I'm saying like, I guess that's just not going to go away. I guess I have to accept this as part of my

Speaker 2 life, but like,

Speaker 2 even if I even still get Asian people who make the Joel Kimbooster joke, Switcheroo joke. And I'm like, y'all, what's

Speaker 2 with that? I don't know. Like, it's just a weird thing.
And I hate the internet because of it. I think this is a great reason to leave so much.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think that here's the thing.

Speaker 2 Last week I was in therapy and I was talking about how I, for the first, not the first time in a while, but lately, I've been feeling really good.

Speaker 2 And the only times I feel bad are when I log on to see what people like have to say. And so I would say for you, it's probably

Speaker 2 not going to change.

Speaker 2 It's not going to change.

Speaker 2 Because if they haven't heard you at this point to not do this or whatever, it's like, and also there's like unlimited people out there that can all like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 Like these people who like don't.

Speaker 2 See a lot of Asian people in their everyday lives. I'm top of mind to them.
And so they see an Asian person on the internet. They go, oh my God, that's Bowen Ying.

Speaker 2 Bowen Ying should do a sketch, a skit on SNL where he plays this little baby who's dancing. I'm like, listen to yourself.
Do you think that could happen?

Speaker 2 Do you think I'm over here thinking I'm gonna do that?

Speaker 2 I don't know what they think.

Speaker 2 Something about, and I listen, what a huge honor to be in this movie that is, you know, I'm being appreciated by so many people.

Speaker 2 I am receiving an uptick of the most lobotomized people you have, you didn't even think were out there in this world.

Speaker 2 I'm, I'm, I, I love

Speaker 2 everybody. And this is not related to me wanting to voodoo doll potentially kill anybody if I had the power, but I am over here thinking, wow, like human beings, man, our brains are small.

Speaker 2 We are a stupid species. We are dumb, myself included.
I think that also people

Speaker 2 that act that way online are

Speaker 2 like they, if they saw you in person, they would obviously never say those things, which makes me feel like that's not even a reflection of an actual human being.

Speaker 2 That's a reflection of like a human being's base instinct.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? It's like these people online, quote unquote people online, like if you think of them as not people, but as like online opportunities for people, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Because like, you're not actually talking to a human being online. You're talking to an avatar and an attitude that is put on and constructed.

Speaker 2 So it's just like, that makes you want to take the whole thing less seriously to begin with. Because it's like, these, these aren't people online, even if they are operated by a human being.

Speaker 2 This is not a reflection of reality. It's a way you're a distorted extension of like the way their minds work, which is.

Speaker 2 You're never going to agree with me. I can't control what they think.
I'm not out here saying like,

Speaker 2 I'm out of Thinkstone Honey. I'm not saying like,

Speaker 2 you better not do it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And then

Speaker 2 they can't see you as a person either because they have their own thing in their own head. Yeah.
I mean, social media is bad. Internet is bad.

Speaker 2 Breaking news.

Speaker 2 God bless Australia. That little social media ban.
Are they doing that? Love. Does that happen?

Speaker 2 Anyone under 16? They don't know how they're going to, people are like, how are they going to enforce this? But I'm just glad it's out there. I'm glad the intention was there.

Speaker 2 I knew the intention was there. I wasn't sure if it was actually being enacted, which

Speaker 2 they get a couple shootings. They go, no more guns.
Yeah, exactly. I'm like, God.
Imagine that. Imagine that.

Speaker 2 And imagine an episode that took you to highs and lows like this one. Wow.
Lost Coach really is a podcast that continues to grow and inspire. Hmm.
Thank you to Gregory Stock, PhD, in what?

Speaker 2 I don't know. In being a mess? In being a messy hoe.
Messy hoe vibes, but also gotta give him thought-provoking. Gotta give him thought-provoking.

Speaker 2 I mean, this man was writing the book of questions before we had these little

Speaker 2 fall in love, we're not really strangers girls stepped onto the world stage. Yeah.
Oh my God. Well, maybe we'll do another episode of this down there.
Maybe.

Speaker 2 Hey, look out for another episode of the Book of Questions 2, like Wicked 2.

Speaker 2 Or Book of Shadows, Blair.

Speaker 2 And I want to say something. I take back everything I said about Wicked.
Those animals were CGI.

Speaker 2 I know that they just looked incredibly real, but that's just, you know, a testament to the power of filmmaking and what we call movie magic.

Speaker 2 And can I say, I could have never convinced you that they were not real. You had to arrive at that yourself.

Speaker 2 Something has changed within me.

Speaker 2 Something is

Speaker 2 not the set the same.

Speaker 2 I love her performance in that moment. So good.
We end every episode with a song.

Speaker 2 I'm through with playing by

Speaker 2 the rules of someone else's name.

Speaker 2 Too late for second guessing.

Speaker 2 Too late to go back to sleep

Speaker 2 in time

Speaker 2 to try

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 close my eyes

Speaker 2 Emily.

Speaker 2 It's time to try.

Speaker 2 You know, the soundtrack is out. Bye.

Speaker 2 Lost Culture Reads is the production by Will Farrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Radio Podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans Sani.

Speaker 3 Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique Laborde.

Speaker 2 And our music is by Henry Komirsky.

Speaker 2 Hey, everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers, letting you know tickets are on sale now to see me on tour. The Prince of Christmas tour, that is.

Speaker 2 I'm doing my whole album, Have You Heard of Christmas, plus a lot more, with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www.mattrogersofficial.com to see me in a city near you.

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Speaker 3 So challenge yourself.

Speaker 2 See what you're capable of. Let your Ford handle the rest.

Speaker 3 Find the Trans-America Trail on Google Maps and hit the off-road. Ready? Set Ford.

Speaker 2 I'm stressed. I got invited to a Friendsgiving, and now there's the big question of what to bring.

Speaker 3 Well, just bring a bottle of Casamigos.

Speaker 2 Oh, Casamigos, of course.

Speaker 3 Nothing brings people together like a batch of Casamigos margaritas.

Speaker 2 A Casamigos margarita really is the perfect cocktail.

Speaker 3 Plus, Casamigos goes with everything.

Speaker 2 Turkey, stuffing, mac and cheese.

Speaker 3 Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, the iconic rule of culture number 743. Anything goes with my Casamigos.
This France giving, you know what everyone will be grateful for? Casamigos? I was going say you and Casamigos.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 3 let's keep it in that order.

Speaker 2 Please drink responsibly. Imported by Casamigo Spirits Company, White Plains, New York.
Casamigo Stequila, 40% alcohol by volume.

Speaker 2 The cuffing season storm is rolling in with potential heavy clouds of nostalgia for your ex, windstorms from a current situation ship, and some light drivels of you up text.

Speaker 2 You know them, you love them. But amidst this emotional weather, there's one place with a refreshing microclimate of clear communication, radical honesty, and open-mindedness, and that's Field.

Speaker 3 Field is a connections app that asks you to show up and articulate your desires as you understand them. And if you don't understand them, say that.

Speaker 3 The Field community is made up of so many different kinds of people ranging in experience, interests, and desires. With Field, you have the space to change, to be honest, and to always be curious.

Speaker 2 So expand your curiosity. There are over 20 sexuality and gender identities listed on Field.

Speaker 3 And you can change. On Field, who you were yesterday may not be who you are today.
62% of Field members evolve their sexuality, interests, and desires within the first year on the app.

Speaker 2 See what you have in common with everybody else on Field. Know what you're looking for?

Speaker 2 Field just rolled out their shared desires feature that immediately shows you what you have in common with someone else.

Speaker 3 That's F-E-E-L-D. Download Field on the App Store or Google Play.

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