Sinners: An Interview with Ryan Coogler

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You might be wondering, how in the living hell did they score this person to talk to them?

And the answer is, is leverage, folks.

It's called having personal information about important people inside of the Hollywood industry machine that forced this to happen.

Isn't that right, Eddie?

That's correct.

We have information and we're going to release it unless this is a good interview.

This is really, honestly, kind of a come to Jesus moment for this man and for the industry as a whole because we don't know how all of this is going to kind of roll out.

So welcome to Last Podcast on the Left.

I'm Henry Zabrowski.

I'm sitting here with Ed Larson.

Hello.

And we have an illustrious filmmaker.

By far the coolest interview we've ever had.

Hey, well, I will say we had Dan Heckery once.

Yes.

But we have Ryan Kyle Kugler.

Do you have a vodka that you need to push?

Wait, wait, before, yeah, we should have covered that one.

Are you selling vodka?

No,

I wish I did, bro.

Can I say that you're leaving money on the table?

Yes.

I mean,

I got nothing to push, bro.

It's unfortunate.

I got nothing but a movie.

Because this is podcasting, and unfortunately, you need a movie's whatever.

I need you to have an exercise machine that you're selling that also helps me from being infected by the government's choices.

Bro, I got nothing, man.

I got a humble movie.

You know what I mean?

Come in the theater April 18th.

Buddy.

That's about it, bro.

So, those of you, let me do this.

These guys don't know who everybody knows.

This is the man who made Black Panther.

This is the man that made Creed that made me audibly weep in a theater.

I cried masculine, big, fat, masculine tears.

You got Sylvester Stallone nominated for a second Oscar?

I mean, I mean, I think he got himself nominated.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, sure.

We know how it is.

We know how it is.

You're nice.

We know.

But the reason why you're here, those movies are too important and good for us to talk about.

This is something that we're talking about that is extremely amazing.

This film, Sinners, that you have made, it's coming out April 18th.

You have come down to the horror world.

You're making an extremely big, thick-ass horror movie that people are going to love and say, thank you so much for talking to us.

People, like, Sinners ruled.

I appreciate that, you guys, man.

Yeah, man.

That means the world.

I love the genre.

You guys are saying, I'm coming down to it.

I feel like

I was coming up to it.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

because when I was in,

you know, before I even went to film school,

my first short films I would make would have um would have have horror elements to them uh but i didn't feel like i was i didn't feel like i was good enough to make that to make that step yet man and um

uh i kind of got away from it

what do you mean by like not what do you mean by not good enough we actually watched your movie locks it's beautiful film like i'm talking i'm talking before locks bro like like i was making stuff before that you know like locks i think was like my second year of graduate no i second semester of graduate school but i was making shorts when i was in undergrad when i first learned learned that I wanted to make movies.

And then I made a couple things at SC,

you know, that,

you know, one of them, one of them actually was the thing that got me recommended for

Fruitville.

But nobody will ever see those movies.

It wasn't legal for us to submit those movies to festivals or anything like that.

And they weren't good enough.

But

I've been in love with the genre, man, and wanting to make something

in that zone since I learned I wanted to make movies.

That was my first, my first instinct.

But then,

I made Locks.

Locks was the first thing I could submit to festivals based on the rules of the school and ended up making things more in that,

more in that tonality.

But this was kind of a homecoming for me that folks who really know me, who are around,

know

I have

this type of passion for horror cinema.

Man, what are your favorite horror movies?

Yeah.

Not just what inspired sinners, but what what inspires you in general kind of

yeah man my favorite horror movies man um

i would say number one is the thing

yes um

now you consider that horror over sci-fi yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah i i consider the thing cosmic horror um

You know, it definitely has science fiction elements as well.

I must tell you, bro, even though I love genre cinema, I I don't like the concept of genre.

Like,

it annoys me, like, having to, having that, having to classify things, and especially like after

making this movie, you know, because I can research and,

you know, the movie deals with a lot of things, but, but.

It's drama, action, horror, it's everything.

But you're unlocking something.

It's like Hereditary was the first time I remember seeing as an adult seeing a movie, and I was like, horror is drama set on fire, right?

Like 100%.

Hereditary is a big one for me.

I love that movie.

Yeah.

And so when I watched Sinners, the first thing I thought of was truly refreshing about it is because, yes, what you're saying, I see what you're saying.

Yeah, it's a horror movie because of the elements that are within it, but all of the stuff feeds what the movie's about.

Yes.

Yes.

No, no, 100%.

Like, like the thing is, is

I always

work from the standpoint of knowing what my worst fear is as an artist.

And I'm always kind of dealing with that in my movies.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And in this movie, I dealt with all of them.

Like all of my worst fears are in this.

I just dumped them all in there.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

But what I was saying about genre was like, you know,

studying for this movie,

I was studying Delta Blues music.

And I discovered, like, I discovered that.

for a long time

when the music business was like first commodified in this country you know genre itself was a was a was a tool of racism you know yeah like if a if a black person sang a song and then a white person sang the same song you know they would put those two songs into two different genres you know what i'm saying like the black song would be called a race record and then and then and then the white person singing a song that might be called bluegrass

or like pop

pop or like a change type of thing exactly and and you know the music industry it you know came before the film industry you know you know what i'm saying?

Like,

it's an older industry.

So, so, so a lot of the film business, it follows the whims of music because it's an older industry.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And that, that tradition is what causes like certain genres to be kind of like ghetto-eyed.

You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, this genre is beneath this genre.

The horror movie is beneath

the costume drama.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

this thing.

So, so

whenever I hear it with this one and I'm trying to define it or when i'm trying to like classify a movie like rosemary's baby you know you know yeah what is i was thinking about that what exactly would you call it yes it has horror elements but it's like a it's mostly a drama yeah exactly like like right so so is it is it so so you realize you realize it becomes you know like they had this ridiculous rule that the movie and terry guys like called the one drop rule like uh for for for human beings right in in in this country at a time when when they were trying to trying to put the the uh you know when when they're trying to when they trying to stick apartheid on type of on top of humanity they say all right you got one drop of black blood now that makes you black you know you know what i mean which yeah which is so absurd when you hear this but it's also you know you think about that with movies it's like hey you got you got one you got a couple horror scenes now that's a horror film now you know you know and it's like and it's like well it's rosemary's baby like like how are we going to talk about this movie because because because the vast majority of it you know is a husband husband and wife talking to their neighbors you know you know you know what i mean and yeah you know you

So for me,

my favorite horror movies, they all are going to have

an element of like a question mark of like, yo, is that a horror movie?

Because look, I'll tell you straight up, like, I think Steven Spielberg has created some of the most horrific images known to man, like, like, you know,

with Jaws.

Raiders of the Lost Arc, whatever.

Raiders, that ending, bro.

Like, what happens to the dude when he pops the thing?

But also, man, a movie like Jurassic Park, Park, like the some of those Velociraptor sequences, the opening of the Velociraptor sequence, when a guy gets eaten

by something in a box that she can't see, you know,

or the T-Rex sequence when it's raining at night and the cup is rippling and

he's coming, fucking eyes coming by that, coming by the, you know, coming by the car, and it's breathing on the glass.

The Velociraptor opening the door.

Yeah.

And the claws

on the kitchen tile.

You know what I'm saying?

That movie is so scary.

It literally scares dogs.

There's so much footage of it, like scaring dogs.

So that's how scary it is.

Dogs know it's scary.

Yeah, dogs not fucking with it.

Yeah, they like, man, get that thing off.

Dude, you know, kind of, even you just saying that, it really kind of blows something up for the center of the movie for me.

Like, you know, we're trying to avoid all spoilers as we go, but

I do think that,

like, it starts off like you have an idea of what these things you're dealing with are in the movie.

Like she calls them as like haints, I believe is a term.

Like she calls them haints.

And then you like clarify that they're vampires, which is kind of like almost the same thing.

It's like it's, you're clarifying the genre of the what we're dealing with.

Absolutely, man.

Like it's

so much fun, bro.

Like, look, a big, a big.

A big

inspiration for the movie was also the Twilight Zone.

You know, like, you know, that's my, you know, the Twilight Zone is like my, it's like my filmmaking Bible, if I had one.

You know, it does have a monsters on Maple Street kind of feel, too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

My favorite episode of Twilight Zone is not as, it's not as like talked about, but it's, it's, it's a, it's an episode called

The Last Rites of Jeff Myrtlebank.

Okay.

And it's about a guy.

like in a in a in a in a southern midwestern town depression era who wakes up at his own funeral

and

and it's about the fallout

of the town, like trying to figure out what's going on with this guy, you know.

And it's

just beautiful, filmmaking, bro.

It's funny.

It's scary.

It's smart.

You know what I'm saying?

And like for me,

that shit.

And it has like a few, you know, a few scenes that could maybe delve into horror.

You know what I'm saying?

But most of it is just like a slice of life in this town.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Have you ever seen Handling the Undead?

No, what is that?

It's a new film that came out.

It's 2024, and it's kind of like that, where it's a highly emotional zombie film, where it's a very understated movie where everybody's coming.

And it's the same thing.

People just show back up and they're all like, what the fuck are you doing?

Like, I'm happy to see you.

But what the fuck are you doing here?

Like, it's that.

I love that, bro.

But I love it because it's like the idea of like, they don't have a working knowledge of what zombies are.

And I also like how this main character, which also, I don't know if it like the research is awesome.

Yeah.

That you put into this.

Because we're watching the characters learn with us, which is always fun.

When you will go into the esoteric teachings and all that kind of stuff, like how far did you go?

Like, how, have you

experienced any of this stuff?

Have you went to like, you know, like when you were researching about like hoodoo and folk magic?

Yeah.

Like, do you know, do you have any personal connections to that?

Do you know anybody who does that shit?

I mean,

my wife, who's my producer on this, when she found a consultant

for us,

you know, because

I'm big on consultants, bro.

I work with a lot of consultants when I make movies out of fear of just not wanting people

who are knowledgeable about the subject matter we make and to sit in the theater and see us get it wrong on a giant screen.

You know what I mean?

You know what I'm saying?

It takes a smart man to ask questions.

Yeah, yeah, no, no.

So she found us an incredible consultant.

Her name is Dr.

Her name is Dr.

Yvonne.

What's her last name

oh oh sev oh my bad seventh found that sev found that consultant our other producer my wife my wife zinzi is here um hi

yeah yeah hi ryan's wife

nice mr kugler

ryan's wife

sorry yeah

yeah yeah

zenzi kugler um is is is uh is my boss's name um

and and and her her the the doctor's name was Dr.

Yvonne Shirot.

Okay.

And she

read the script, gave feedback, and helped us to make sure that the ritual

where Annie, who's our conjure woman in the movie, where she feeds Smokes Mojo bag.

you know, which is, which is a good luck charm that's that, that, that's, that's very, very famous and very, very talked about in blues culture.

You know, sometimes it's called a

hand um you know uh sometimes it's called a johnny conquer

uh you know but but um you'll hear you'll hear this referred to in in extremely famous blues songs you know uh uh but but you know all of that stuff i wanted it to be real man like and and um you know i love

uh you know i mean it's look it's a lot of filmmakers carrying the torch for that right like um like robert eggers yeah who's your buddy too

little birdie told us you're friends with him and you guys are both well yeah yeah robert and and I have the same agent

who's like a

who's an incredible person, bro.

Like Craig Castell, who

our contact is with, right?

Like Walter and Craig.

Oh, yeah.

You know,

have been in each other's lives for the better part of a decade.

And Craig loves cinema, man, and he loves his job, bro.

He really does.

So I've been hearing about Robert forever.

And,

you know, we finally got a chance to exchange and fall and and but but but but you know i love the feeling of uh uh a fully realized intactile world where you can feel that the filmmakers cared you know um you know it's a it's a deep uh uh

um um history of that and and you know uh we wanted the magic in this movie um to feel like everything else like the music like like like the like the uh like like the like the dance in the movie like we wanted it to feel real and lived in and respected you know yeah it's beautiful i saw a statement that you made about how you want people to feel like they're in a place and that when you when you are trying to make art that you're trying to bring someone to a place how you do that

i mean i mean

um please if you could just how did one do that yeah it's funny man because like um because for a long time film was how i traveled you know like like watching

i still to this day haven't been to brazil but I've seen City of God.

You know what I'm saying?

So I feel like I've, I feel like I've been mentally, I didn't get to New York until I was like 20, 22 years old.

And one of my films got into the Tribeca Film Festival.

But I felt like I had been in New York all the time watching like movies like Coming to America and Marty Scorsese movies.

You know what I'm saying?

So for me,

a big part of it,

now that I had this incredible blessing to be able to make movies, I think about that.

I say, well, this is how a vast majority of my audience is going to experience Philadelphia.

You know what I'm saying?

I don't want to fuck this up.

Like,

I don't want somebody who is from Philadelphia to pay a ticket to see what they think is a Rocky movie and only to realize that, man, we got Philadelphia completely wrong.

You know what I mean?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, like, like, like, so.

They care too.

Oh, yeah.

And they let you know.

They let me know in an audible way.

They're going to say a bunch of horrible words at you if you don't.

You know what I mean?

So look, bro, like, like, I'm like 27, 28 years old, and

because Fruitville is my first movie, and I was about my hometown, like, I knew, I knew what the Bay Area was, I knew the back of my hand, right?

So, I didn't, it wasn't a concern, but, but, but, but for for uh, Creed, I freaked out, bro, like, like, like, because I realized, like, oh my god, this is this responsibility is on my shoulders.

So, the first thing, one of the first things I did was I, I, I took my locations manager and my and my teamster, my head of the teamsters, I took them to the side, you know, blocked out three hours.

I got a map of the

of Greater Philadelphia, like a big proper map, like the sides of

your ground.

And I spent two and a half hours with them.

And just like, what's this neighborhood called?

Why is it called that?

Who is here?

You know what I'm saying?

Where do I go if I want to if I want to cheese steak?

Where do I go if I want to learn out of box?

You know, you know what I mean?

Like, you know, we went through it for two and a half hours, marked up the whole calendar.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And then, and then i i remember our um our head of travel she was a black philadelphian you know you know what i'm saying so i brought her i brought her in and was like hey man tell me about philly you know what i mean like you know where are you from who's from over here what's going on over there you know i got this scene with bikes where do i go to do that you know you know like like

and you know so so so from there i had like i feel like i feel like i had a base understanding i took a picture of that map And I had it on my phone.

And then I went to Scotland and went to these places.

You know what I'm saying?

And for me, it was the same thing for clarksdale mississippi i we you know luvig and my composer in law we went um on the blues trail

and um and we spent days in these places you know we ended up shooting uh uh in new orleans which is you know which is you know very very close you know like um yeah but but all of the defining characteristics of the delta you know um we make sure we were steeped in it especially my production designer hannah beekler you know so that we knew uh uh how not to to to you know what not to shoot in louisiana you know what i'm saying in order to not not give ourselves up talk about our VFX supervisors to make sure we can maintain the the the the the the structural integrity of the landscape you know you know what I mean and you know so all of those things all of those things matter man you know what I'm saying because like you don't you don't get you don't get this music and this culture and these types of people without without the place you know I'm saying like the place the place

is uh uh in constant call and response with the people that are there you know what I'm saying yeah

you literally just gave an education to a lot of people that would not know how to do that.

There's actually quite a few.

You have very good ideas.

Now,

obviously, there's some Robert Johnson influence here in this movie.

Yeah, big time.

And

you do your research and all that.

And I got to ask a very last podcast question.

How connected was Robert Johnson to the devil?

Man, you know, it's funny, bro.

Like, there's a book that talks about this in depth called Deep Blues by Robert Palmer.

And it's a lot of books on Robert Johnson.

But what I found, what I found out that was so fascinating was that he was not the first person to say this.

Like there was a guitarist before him named Tommy Johnson, who was actually the guy who said, hey, I sold my salt to the devil.

He taught me how to play the guitar.

He would go around with a rabbit's foot.

You know what I mean?

And he made some incredible songs.

Robert Johnson kind of stole his story, you know?

And when he did that, people knew he was he was kind of like, kind of like saying he was the next Tommy Johnson, you know what I'm, you know what I'm saying.

Um, and it was, it was a lot of uh uh

uh a lot written about the fact that that story is is not what you think it is, like like you know, it is like like like it's an anglicized version of the story that he saw to salt as a devil.

Yeah, it was really a deity named Papa Legba, who who is who is um a West African deity

from the Yoruba tradition that was brought over by

enslaved Africans,

who's a different, like, like he's not Satan.

He's not involved in Christianity.

No, exactly.

He's not involved with Christianity.

It's a different deity

who's associated with

trickery

and gifts.

But it really is like how I looked at it.

you know,

is a metaphor for the Faustian deal.

You know what I'm saying?

And that for me, when looking at it, was like, okay, well, this is

maybe something that lends itself towards the specificity of vampires when it comes to like the supernatural horror rogues gallery.

Yes.

So that's how you got to vampires.

You're like, all right, so you basically were like, this is what's closest.

Yes, sir.

That's the great idea.

Yeah, yeah.

And the idea of a deal, you know what I'm, you know what I'm saying, to get out of a situation, like mortgaging, you know, mortgaging something for something else, you know, like it's something that I think,

you know, oppressed people of all, of all cultural backgrounds are very familiar with, you know what I'm saying?

Like this, like, look,

you know, my, um, my inspiration for this movie was my relationship with my uncle James, who was, who was from Mississippi.

He was the oldest male member of my family.

And I was very close with him, man.

I got like, you know, I loved him very much.

And a part of my

something that I had to give up in pursuit of being a professional filmmaker to be able to have this movie to talk to y'all about, I had to leave my family a lot.

I had to miss a lot of shit, birthdays and, and, and weddings and, um, just, just general get-togethers, you know what I'm saying?

Because I was on the way out of film school.

I was off shooting a movie.

The year I made Creed, you know, was the year he was, he was terminally ill.

You know what I mean?

He got sick and died.

And I maybe saw him once or twice that year.

And and when i when i got the call that he had passed away i was in a post-production facility in los angeles i was at a place called wildfire post and i and i felt like

that i wasn't at my uncle's side you know what i'm you know what i mean because i was in pursuit because i was pursuing this dream you know what i'm saying he knows you love him no 100 bro but but the thing is is like the thing is is like

the the question of what what you give up to get something you know what i'm saying like like that that like that was always what i saw that the tommy johnson the robert johnson fable.

That's what that was about.

I'm going to make you a great guitar player, but

in exchange for

your soul.

Is there anything that you would sell your soul to do?

He's already doing it.

No, but you mean besides great?

Something super.

I mean, like, it would have to be something like for my kids or something, like, to, to guarantee.

That's a waste.

You know, like, to guarantee.

That's a waste.

It's on them.

It's on them.

They can sell their souls.

To

you know, you know what I'm saying, like, all my, all my, all my descendants, you know what I'm saying, go to, you know, you know, live wonderful lives and go to, and go to heaven, you know what I'm saying?

I might consider putting that on the line, you know what I mean?

But that's actually a wonderful answer.

Mine's to turn invisible.

That's really it.

That's really all I need.

That's all you need, bro.

You a cheap date.

Yep.

That's it.

That's all I want to do.

I got to ask a question.

We go back to Robert Edgars for a second.

Yeah.

Y'all know each other.

You got the same agent.

Both of you make

vampire movies within a year.

And he's like, what the fuck, bro?

Are you like,

24?

That's my vampire year, dude.

I mean, what's crazy about him, bro, is he been trying to make that movie fabric.

Yes.

He's been trying to make that movie since he was a kid.

You know what I'm saying?

So, like, yeah, me beat to the punch by a long shot.

You know what I'm saying?

I hope you're not upset with me.

You know what I mean?

No, no.

No.

no they're completely different they're utterly different i don't think could be more unless they except for the both period pieces but they could be more they couldn't be more different can you imagine how big of a prick you have to be to be like i see one vampire film a year

i will not see a second film without being a vampire

i'm sure they exist you know what i'm saying but but um but i'm hoping i'm hoping people people got it in them to to to check out another one you know what i'm saying oh they will oh yeah dude it's the shit Because it's also,

it's bigger than horror.

It's got so much to it.

It's so thick.

It's got so much rich, so much history in it.

It's awesome.

To bring a budget like this to a horror film is like, just like, thank you for giving it recognition.

This is a great year for horror.

Man, right.

Between Nosferatu and the substance and you, like, this is great.

Screamboat.

Oh, yeah.

Have you even seen Screamboat?

Okay.

No, dude, surprisingly good.

It's fine.

We saw it.

It's about, it's the new, it's when Steamboat Willie went copyright free.

A guy made like a movie just immediately about a killer version.

It's the guy from Terror Fire who is doing this.

Have you seen Terror Fire?

Yeah, it's pretty good.

It's silly.

It's very silly.

Yeah.

Is there another horror thing that you in your head that you want to hit at some point?

Like, is there something that you want to do?

Like, is there like a remake or is there something that you're like jonesing for?

Man, so many things, bro.

Yeah,

so many things.

Like, like, I can't, you know, I can't say on the pod because I wouldn't be able to get a deal done.

Come on, come on, this is how we do it.

This is how we push it in the traditional shit.

I know, man.

Bro,

I love it, man.

Like,

it's not,

it's not.

Yeah, bro.

Like, like, like, like

when you were saying, like, what's my favorite horror from?

I'm like, I'm like, bro, it's so many, like, that, that I, that I just absolutely adore, bro.

Also, do you love the question when you're selling the show and the movie that you've been working on for four years?

And then the first thing I ask is, so what's next?

Oh,

the movie hasn't even come out yet.

I'm used to it, bro.

I'm working on X-Files, bro.

Seriously?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're a great choice.

That's awesome.

That's what's immediately next.

That's cool.

No, you know, so I've been excited about that for

a long time and I'm fired up to to get to get back to it um and that and that and that that would you know some of some of those episodes if we do our jobs right will be really scary and you're talking to jillian anderson

can you tell her i said hello i i

waved at her one time i've spoken to the great jillian anderson yes she's amazing i i i waved at her one time yeah yeah

she's incredible and um you know fingers crossed there

uh i can't wait to see her see our intron i've just seen a trailer for that oh yeah

she's in tron

yeah when i spoke to her she was she was she was finishing that up um but but but yeah bro we're gonna try to make something really great bro um and and and really and really be um

you know something for the real x-folls fans and hey you know what i'm saying and maybe find some new ones tell you what we're cruel and we're cutthroats so just so you know just be remember that the rest of us we're we're actually unsatisfied yeah we're angry and we we don't have jobs so we're gonna

we're gonna attack

I'm going to know how y'all feeling.

I understand.

Yeah.

You know, obviously, we're excited about the horror movie and totally X-Files.

You know, we love our aliens over here.

But I got to say, all of your movies, including Creed,

are very like...

Music is such a key part of it.

It's very, it's obviously very important to you.

And I love, you know, and I love everything you did with music and sinners.

It was really, especially the one scene.

That's It's one of the coolest scenes I've ever seen.

The audience applauded.

Yes.

Oh, man.

The audience applied.

It was applauded at the end of that scene.

Yeah.

It was, yeah, it was straight up like coolest music video I've ever seen.

It was very, it was very interesting.

And then, but you do something

that I miss from movies, and for especially with Black Panther and Wakanda Forever, is the specialized companion album.

Yeah.

And that was something that was like, we saw a lot lot in the 90s, you know, and stuff like that.

And I don't, I was recently complaining that it doesn't happen more often.

And Sinners needs an album.

It's coming, bro.

Yeah,

it's really good.

Like, hell yeah.

It's really, really, really, really good.

It's, you know, I think, I think this,

I'm biased, obviously, but I think this score is some of Lulig's best work.

And this soundtrack is some of his best work as well in that space.

Like, it's incredible, bro.

I can't wait for you.

I was saying that as we were watching it.

I was like, this feels like, because you know what you're doing too, dude, that is amazing is that it's what you and Robert Edgar are doing, and I mean this, and it's not just because I'm a little Hollywood little man, but you guys are doing great stuff for movies because you're making them big and you're making them events.

You're making them people, you're getting, you're putting butts in theaters again, which is going to turn our town back around.

You know what I mean?

Because I saw somebody begging for lentils outside of Erewhon the other day, and I was so scared for that woman.

There was a woman, and I swear, she could have been 20, she could have been 85, but she was on her knees begging for the new, I think they're called Ruby Lentils at Erewhon.

This town needs you.

And you know,

I didn't know where that was going, bro.

No, it's just scary out here.

Okay, Andre 3000, good flute player or not?

Fantastic, bro.

I saw him in person.

We saw him twice.

We seen him twice.

We love that album.

No, no, check game.

He performed in this venue called The Cave up north in Napa, bro.

And I was like, I was like, the whole time he was playing, bro, I was like, yo, somebody got to put a movie theater in the cave.

This shit is sick.

It was like

stone walls and shit.

And

I was literally going to ask, who got a projector?

Cause I'm about to throw some shit up.

But yeah, man, he makes you feel like you're floating, doesn't he?

Oh, my God.

We saw him at the Hollywood Forever.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we saw at the Masonic live.

That was unbelievable.

I thought I was going to float.

Yeah.

Can I ask y'all a question?

The least coolest people in the room for sure.

Can I ask y'all a question, bro?

Yeah.

And I only try to answer with all sincerity.

I mean, don't give me the fake podcast answer.

Give me the real answer, bro.

Okay.

Would y'all watch Sinners at the Cemetery, bro?

Hollywood Forever.

Yep.

I mean, of course.

That's where it belongs.

Please.

Get it done.

Get it done.

Yeah.

Make it happen.

Make it happen.

We had, I mean, I won't say, and we're a horseshit podcast podcast and we had 4 000 people at the cemetery you're gonna fucking that will be uh an event it'll be an event okay have someone play in blues man have somebody there playing blues like people will freak out it would be amazing i bet we're gonna

get to work we're gonna get to that get to work on that after after hopefully after hopefully a robust yeah

um also i need a george clinton biopic by the way if you no one's done it i don't it just needs to happen at some point if you at least produce it you know, like

yeah, that's not, that's not, that's not a bad idea at all, bro.

He's still there, he's still alive, he's kidding, he's amazing.

Jay-Z listen to a lot of George Clinton, bro.

I could tell.

Well, obviously, referenced.

I was today years old when I realized on Atomic Dog, the whole beat, he's panting like a dog.

Oh my God, he's hilarious, man.

He literally just makes fart noises into instruments.

That is Bootsy, right?

Bootsy's in the movie.

Bootsy's in the movie.

I mean,

guess what?

That's a yes.

That's a yes.

Thank you.

That's a yes.

I'm not answering that.

I'm not answering that.

So you might want to check out some of the little films this man has made, like Fruit Vale Station, Wakanda Forever, Black Panther.

You might want to.

But if not, check out his newest incredible.

Like, honestly, you're going to fucking love it.

Sinners, it comes out April 18th everywhere.

Go see an IMAX.

Go see it big.

Yes.

And thank you for the ending, by the way.

I've been waiting to see that in the cinema forever.

And you did it.

And I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Right on.

Right on.

It definitely had like the right amount of the Tarantino kind of thing.

And it was like, yeah.

I'm not even going to say it.

It has been such a pleasure and an honor talking to you, man.

And likewise, thank y'all for having me, man.

Best of luck with everything, man.

I really appreciate y'all.

I'd offer you luck, but you don't need it, my man.

Keep up everything.

Can you keep doing what you're doing?

Can you offer us luck?

He just did.

No, good, good, good.

He just did.

That's it.

I'm about it.

We're good.

Dude, thank you.

Mr.

Coogler, please.

Thank you very much.

Goodbye, Ryan's wife.

Bye.

Mrs.

Coogler.

All right, y'all.

See you guys.

Thank you, man.

Be good.

Live from North Wind.

Well, that was fucking cool.

What a boring guy.

And what a simpleton filmmaker.

And I cannot believe that he would do that.

Wow, that's amazing.

That is really cool.

He's great.

Literally, the advice.

I feel like he smelled good through Zoom.

He does.

The advice that he put into, like that idea of what you do to make a movie a location is actually solid, crazy advice.

Yes.

That was amazing.

He's great.

Wow.

Well, thank you guys so much.

April 18th, go see Sinners.

Oh, I forgot to ask him where to eat in Oakland.

Fuck it.

All right, text them.

Let's get him back.

Call him back.

Call him back.

Go check out all of our stuff on Patreon.

That's where their money is spent, isn't it?

Patreon.com slash last podcast on the left.

And go to LP on the left for all of our various socials.

I don't know why.

Go to crimewave at c.com slash last

buy ticket to see you, Santa Cruz.

I'm just kidding.

You want that.

You want that.

His

prestigious interview.

He just burped during the plunge.

I know it.

This is the end.

I didn't do it while we were talking to him.

Well, also, if you're not going to go see Sinners on April 18th, come to our show in Detroit.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

See it in the morning.

See our show at night.

And come yell at us about it after the show.

That would be great.

All right, guys.

Be good to yourselves.

And hail Ryan Kugler.

Hail Satan.

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