Lovett or Leave It: For Good

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Speaker 6 Welcome everybody to our annual Love It or Leave It best of episode.

Speaker 11 As another perfect, peaceful year gracefully swan dives to a close, it's time to look back fondly on the most perfect moments of them all.

Speaker 11 And if you can believe it, all the greatest hits of 2024 happened on this very show.

Speaker 2 Well, okay.

Speaker 10 JD Vance trying to order donuts was pretty good, and I did like Wicked, but that's it.

Speaker 12 The exceptions prove the rule. Let's get into it.

Speaker 11 Up first, one of our favorite guests of all time, the one, the only, the legendary, T.S.

Speaker 18 Madison, joins me as we put the gab in LGBTQIA during our Pride Month stop in Asheville.

Speaker 6 We also put in bag, guilt, glib.

Speaker 20 Wow, you can make a lot of words out of this.

Speaker 12 While I find some more, please enjoy this hilarious segment.

Speaker 22 Okay, there's also at.

Speaker 14 There's tail.

Speaker 23 And then you get to bait.

Speaker 24 Move over, Taylor Swift.

Speaker 11 There's only one TS I care about, and she's here tonight.

Speaker 26 Please put your hands together for the one, the only TS Madison.

Speaker 28 Oh, yes, honey.

Speaker 30 Oh, yes.

Speaker 29 Oh, yes, baby.

Speaker 31 Hey.

Speaker 32 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 34 North Carolina, y'all make some noise in here.

Speaker 35 Oh, my God.

Speaker 31 Oh, oh, my goodness. All right.

Speaker 37 No, no, y'all ain't making enough noise.

Speaker 35 Make some noise in this motherfucker for me.

Speaker 38 Who?

Speaker 39 I came all the way from Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 34 From Atlanta.

Speaker 41 From Atlanta.

Speaker 29 Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 42 Recently,

Speaker 43 you talked to IndieWire about wanting to see trans superheroes and trans villains.

Speaker 10 Who's your favorite trans villain, real or fictional?

Speaker 46 I admit that in the past I've been a nasty.

Speaker 48 They weren't kidding when they call me, well, a witch.

Speaker 50 You know,

Speaker 35 it's Ursula is what

Speaker 28 I didn't know why I loved Ursula.

Speaker 53 When I was a little boy, I fucking loved Ursula.

Speaker 5 Was it her tentacles?

Speaker 33 It was.

Speaker 44 Yes, perhaps it was.

Speaker 56 But I think because, well, I just, I just think,

Speaker 11 I think Ursula knew I was gay before I did.

Speaker 58 Of course, darling, of course. You know? Yes.

Speaker 59 And then, you know,

Speaker 59 she was a fish, you know?

Speaker 59 You know, we love fish.

Speaker 35 And you understood.

Speaker 59 So here's the thing.

Speaker 59 I think that Ursula is like the greatest Disney villain. And I'm hoping that they create a backstory on her, like they did Maleficent's backstory.
And so I would love to see the backstory on that.

Speaker 37 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 61 Absolutely.

Speaker 29 Because

Speaker 52 who knows what's going on down there?

Speaker 7 He's a very patriarchal father.

Speaker 24 It's a royal system.

Speaker 62 Just once at the end of one of these Disney movies, I would like the stories leading to the prince and the princess are going to kiss and be happily ever after.

Speaker 41 But right before they kiss, a group of people with pitchforks come in and kill them and say, We're a democracy and we're going to have a fucking election.

Speaker 24 Like, they don't get to live in the castle anymore.

Speaker 26 This man doesn't get to go from house to house putting shoes on people's feet.

Speaker 24 That's no way to run a fucking bake sale.

Speaker 33 You know? Like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 64 Like, her only hope is that a guy likes her fucking feet.

Speaker 24 And that's a good, that's one of the good ones.

Speaker 54 Wait a minute.

Speaker 37 Hold on, John.

Speaker 59 I'm into feet.

Speaker 59 If you got a pretty big toe,

Speaker 67 I may write you a check.

Speaker 11 And I, but my point being, and I think that that's a beautiful thing, and, you know, don't want to yuck your yum at all.

Speaker 29 Are you not into feet? You're not into feet.

Speaker 24 I would say that I am sort of feet.

Speaker 57 They're there. You know, I don't hate them.

Speaker 24 I don't love them.

Speaker 26 They're just part of the body.

Speaker 37 You know?

Speaker 59 No, the feet can be so

Speaker 49 organ.

Speaker 67 Is it orgasmic?

Speaker 35 Sure.

Speaker 68 If that's the word you want.

Speaker 69 Yeah.

Speaker 37 That.

Speaker 59 You know, if you put a foot right under your nose, like this.

Speaker 30 Sure.

Speaker 29 And you just absorb all of that.

Speaker 66 Can I get a towel?

Speaker 44 Madison. Yes.

Speaker 8 It's important for all of us, queer and heterosexual, alike, to understand that we are part of history.

Speaker 63 And as students of queer history, or at least someone who had the stonewall reader covered in dust on my nightstand for a while,

Speaker 24 we want to use the opportunity to catch up on the recent scuttle button, a segment we're calling four score and seven queers ago.

Speaker 54 Okay, come on.

Speaker 54 Ah!

Speaker 54 Wait a minute, hold on.

Speaker 54 Oh my god. There we are.

Speaker 37 I look good up there, damn it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 30 Yes.

Speaker 59 Fourscore and seven queers ago.

Speaker 24 I feel as though your statue is good and my head is too high up.

Speaker 24 My neck looks weird.

Speaker 59 Well, are you getting any complaints about your head?

Speaker 70 You can't even look at me. You can't even look at me because of how you fuck that up.

Speaker 70 No complaints.

Speaker 26 No complaints.

Speaker 70 Is that what you were looking for?

Speaker 71 Yes, that's what I was looking for, yes.

Speaker 44 So here's how this works.

Speaker 68 We are going to go there.

Speaker 70 That's so fun.

Speaker 24 Have you received any complaints about your head?

Speaker 28 That's not how it goes.

Speaker 58 Yes, I want to know, honey.

Speaker 59 Has anybody went to HR about your head?

Speaker 30 Moving forward. Okay.

Speaker 35 Here's how this works.

Speaker 16 We're going to rate.

Speaker 72 Very recent moments in queer history on a scale from one to eight, one being the least to eight being the most historic.

Speaker 8 Because eight is the gayest number.

Speaker 17 Are you ready? I am.

Speaker 9 First up, June 10th, 2024, leaked audio of Martha Ann Alito, wife of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, hit the internet.

Speaker 24 Here she describes a flag she wants to fly as a protest against the pride flag.

Speaker 74 I made a flag in my head. This is how I satisfy myself.
I made a flag. It's white and it's yellow and orange flames around it.
And in the middle is the word Vergonia. Vergogna in Italian means shame.

Speaker 75 Vergogna. V-E-R-G-O-G-N-A.

Speaker 76 Vergogna.

Speaker 67 Shame, shame, shame on you.

Speaker 74 You know.

Speaker 36 Anyway.

Speaker 70 I just, just for, you know, I've always wanted a Vigogna.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 24 They come, you know.

Speaker 69 Yeah.

Speaker 66 Always, I've always wanted a Vigogna.

Speaker 52 Yeah, Vigogna in spring.

Speaker 59 Yeah, in the spring, in a bathing suit, a nice Virgonia.

Speaker 11 So what would you rank it?

Speaker 53 One to eight?

Speaker 24 How historic is it?

Speaker 59 Oh, it's like a five.

Speaker 52 Yeah, I think it's a five.

Speaker 59 Listen, I'll forget about a Virgonia by the time I leave here, honey.

Speaker 63 The alcohol is going to be. Yeah.

Speaker 30 Five.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 79 May 29th, 2024.

Speaker 24 Pope Francis apologizes for using an Italian slur against gay men when asked whether the church should admit said gay men in a private meeting with Italian bishops.

Speaker 80 and

Speaker 59 wait, there are gay men in private meetings with bishops?

Speaker 7 I think there's more than, I think there's a fair number, which is, I think, what the Pope was commenting on.

Speaker 15 And I know this is not the word, but, and

Speaker 52 I'm sorry, but ever since I can only imagine the Pope going, Fagguccini.

Speaker 54 Yes.

Speaker 56 And I know that's not right.

Speaker 31 But

Speaker 30 Fagguccini.

Speaker 24 Hey, we're serving a little too much Fagguccini Alfredo at the Faggaccini.

Speaker 24 And I i know he's not even italian he's argentinian but still i just it's fagguccini alfredo faggaccini alfredo with a side of regonia

Speaker 26 and then he apologized but he used the slur again

Speaker 24 and he said there's an air of froggiacini in the vatican

Speaker 15 i guess the word is froggia gene i don't know Faggaccini.

Speaker 5 Fagaccini.

Speaker 66 Faggaccini.

Speaker 47 Fagaccini. What do you think?

Speaker 41 Pope saying that?

Speaker 59 Well, I mean, of course that's going to be somewhere near an eight because it's the Pope.

Speaker 26 It is the Pope.

Speaker 30 I think it's a figure saying that it's a five. I think it's

Speaker 44 like a seven.

Speaker 59 Because that's the Pope saying that.

Speaker 37 The Pope.

Speaker 70 The Pope. The friggin of Pope.

Speaker 40 Yeah.

Speaker 30 Fraggini.

Speaker 37 Virgonia.

Speaker 54 Fagaccini.

Speaker 2 Smit.

Speaker 80 I'm getting hungry.

Speaker 37 Well, that lady has some good Virgonia over there, honey.

Speaker 59 They serve it fried or baked

Speaker 2 at the orange peel.

Speaker 29 Bartender, can you give me that fried vigonia from back there, please?

Speaker 29 And give me a side of Faguccini sauce, god damn it.

Speaker 43 T.S. Madison, thank you so much.

Speaker 54 Thank y'all for having me. Thank you.

Speaker 6 In March, the incredible Busy Phillips visited the show to answer a very important question.

Speaker 41 What is a woman?

Speaker 11 And if you think conservatives aren't obsessed with that that question now, just wait till you've had four more years of Trump in the White House.

Speaker 75 Okay, I'm going to sort of deal with that one day at a time, one day at a time.

Speaker 20 Anyway, while I collect myself, enjoy.

Speaker 12 Busy, in the new season of Girls 5 Eva, your character sings an amazing song called, Is There a Me or Is

Speaker 76 Me Just Guys?

Speaker 76 A question I have asked myself so many times since I was 14 years old.

Speaker 43 Well, is there a me or is me just guys?

Speaker 66 John. Yeah.

Speaker 84 There is a me.

Speaker 84 And it's mostly guys.

Speaker 63 Now, inspired by that song, we wanted to see if you could definitively answer the question conservatives have been asking for almost a decade.

Speaker 42 Wow.

Speaker 85 Which is, what is a woman?

Speaker 84 What is a woman?

Speaker 32 What is a woman?

Speaker 8 First question.

Speaker 63 Is a woman a human who believes in horoscopes?

Speaker 84 Mostly.

Speaker 84 Yep.

Speaker 84 True.

Speaker 48 Do you think that.

Speaker 31 Tell me.

Speaker 13 Tell me. Here's the problem I have.

Speaker 34 What do you have?

Speaker 66 I don't. Talk to me, John.

Speaker 51 The problem I have is every time someone says, every time I say, oh, horoscopes are silly, then someone says, what are you? And then I say, I'm a Leo, and they say.

Speaker 61 Of course you are.

Speaker 69 I mean, literally, have you ever met more of a fucking Leo?

Speaker 69 This is the the world. What?

Speaker 84 When I say I'm a cancer and then I'm like, but Leo rising, people are like, now it all makes sense.

Speaker 25 So interesting.

Speaker 84 I don't know. Is the tide affected by the moon? Yes.

Speaker 12 It's all water. The tide is.

Speaker 62 The tide is affected by the moon.

Speaker 34 But we're like mostly fucking water and we're affected by the moon.

Speaker 84 I'm sorry. We just saw the planets do a thing.
It happens. I don't know.

Speaker 55 Is that how it got? That's what it's doing? It's the tides.

Speaker 37 Honey.

Speaker 55 Is that what it is? Honey!

Speaker 84 I bleed on a full moon. I ovulate on a new moon every fucking month since I was

Speaker 66 12.

Speaker 76 I had to think. I had to think.

Speaker 35 I couldn't remember, but that's it.

Speaker 20 Is a woman a being who is looking forward to Beyonce's new album, Cowboy Carter?

Speaker 76 Are you kidding me? Yes.

Speaker 84 Also, everyone who isn't.

Speaker 35 Producer Kendra today

Speaker 17 was,

Speaker 86 I came in and I said hello, and she did not clock it at all.

Speaker 51 And I said, hey, how are you?

Speaker 28 Nothing.

Speaker 63 And then I startled her and then she took out her AirPods and she was like, I'm listening to the album.

Speaker 8 And I was like, but it's not out yet. She's like, it's out in Australia.

Speaker 11 I have a VPN.

Speaker 63 Is a woman an animal who feels like she's ready to move from body positivity to body neutrality?

Speaker 76 I'm so fucking over it.

Speaker 35 Over. Give me fucking Ozempic.

Speaker 84 I like don't care. I didn't create the fucking problem.
We all live with it. We're not changing it.
Everyone go fuck themselves.

Speaker 88 Sorry.

Speaker 84 All these motherfuckers have been on HGH forever. I never saw one fucking Time magazine cover about it.

Speaker 76 I'm sorry.

Speaker 89 Anyone on HGH?

Speaker 37 No, the men.

Speaker 76 Oh, the men were on HGH.

Speaker 35 Is that how they become superb?

Speaker 84 What in God's name do you think has been happening? It's all been, oh God, people hate women so much. It's like, we didn't create this system that we live in.

Speaker 84 And anyone who has anyone in their family who deals with obesity or who has been struggled or had morbid obesity themselves knows that you are treated differently, that your job prospects are different, that the entire culture is built around shaming and being horrible, especially to women who are overweight.

Speaker 84 So I don't give a fuck about body pause or body neutrality. Let people just fucking live, but we can't do that.

Speaker 76 So now is, there's a miracle drug. These are miracle drugs that come in.

Speaker 84 And like, let people fucking have it without shame. I'm just sorry.
I'm so sick of it because I'm so fucking sick of it all. Like, I can't.

Speaker 58 A woman is a person who is fed the fuck up.

Speaker 58 I will just answer that.

Speaker 84 And that is like, I'm done.

Speaker 63 I'm on my jar, but it's hard to get because the diabetics keep taking it.

Speaker 85 And it's like.

Speaker 85 So I kind of have to like spread out my doses because these sugar weenies can't

Speaker 2 need it

Speaker 48 medically.

Speaker 84 I've had a moment.

Speaker 76 I've had a day.

Speaker 66 I've had a week.

Speaker 84 It's been a long time here in Los Angeles these past nine days.

Speaker 84 It's fine. Everything's great.
Things are going to be fine. Don't worry about it.
You and I can talk about it later.

Speaker 54 Can't wait.

Speaker 70 Busy Phillips, everybody.

Speaker 38 Girls by Bemma, season three is out now on Netflix.

Speaker 72 In January, Rob Reiner, the Hollywood icon behind films like Stand By Me, The Princess Bride, and when Harry met Sally, shared his thoughts about his incredible oeuvre and about polyamory.

Speaker 21 Spoiler alert, he loves it.

Speaker 7 Just kidding.

Speaker 41 He has exactly the thoughts you'd think that Rob Reiner would have.

Speaker 16 And God, he's funny about it.

Speaker 85 So take a listen.

Speaker 63 I wanted to ask you, I'm just have to, I'm just so excited to have you. And there's so many.

Speaker 89 You know, you look excited. Tell your face.

Speaker 19 What the fuck?

Speaker 33 Hey, for the audio listener, I'm fucking beaming.

Speaker 68 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 48 I'm beaming. I'm electric.
I'm fully fucking clearing it.

Speaker 35 I'm getting here.

Speaker 24 I'm so close to you.

Speaker 48 I know.

Speaker 89 I know.

Speaker 89 I'm getting the chubby. Yeah.

Speaker 40 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Here's the thing. People say the secret doesn't work.

Speaker 56 It works.

Speaker 35 You got to manifest.

Speaker 52 You got to manifest.

Speaker 20 All right.

Speaker 27 Who had more chemistry? Demi Moore and Tom Cruise or Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal?

Speaker 89 Who and Tom Cruise?

Speaker 40 Demi Moore. Demi Moore.

Speaker 89 Demi Moore and Tom Cruise.

Speaker 89 Well, you know, they don't have sex in the movie.

Speaker 52 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 89 And

Speaker 89 a lot of people said to me, I don't understand. You have this beautiful girl and beautiful guy.
Why don't you get them together? I said, because this movie's not about that.

Speaker 89 This movie's about a guy who has never tested himself in a courtroom because his father was a great lawyer.

Speaker 89 And again, I made a connection with my father having been a tremendous success and the son coming on the heels. it was not a sex thing.
When Harry met Sally, that's all it's about is men and women.

Speaker 89 And when I made that, that was an extension of my dating life. And I was making, I was single for 10 years.
I was divorced.

Speaker 89 You know, after being married for 10 years, I was single and I was making a mess out of my dating life.

Speaker 89 And that became the basis for when Harry Met Sally. So it would be, you know, Nora Ephraim, when I told her the idea, I said, it's about scenes from a, of a relationship.

Speaker 89 It's what men and women, it's what they go through, this dance. And people would ask me all the time, they'd say, I don't understand.
These two people, they're professional people.

Speaker 89 They only talk about relationships. And men and women, don't they ever talk about their work or anything?

Speaker 49 I said, Yeah, they talked about their work all the time.

Speaker 89 I just didn't put the camera on when they were doing that. I only let them see this other part.

Speaker 27 Hey, can men and women be friends?

Speaker 89 Yes, they can be best friends, but this is my feeling about it: If the relationship is over and they go their separate ways, if the woman gets with a man or a man gets with another woman, then those original men and women can no longer be close friends because you're now connected to another person.

Speaker 89 So, yes, on some level they can be, but they can't be.

Speaker 89 Afterwards, there's always a threat of something coming in, unless you're polyamorous, in which case, I don't know what the hell you're doing.

Speaker 40 I really, I don't get that one at all.

Speaker 39 I just don't get polycules.

Speaker 89 I don't get it.

Speaker 57 You don't get it?

Speaker 89 No, because I get it. It's called cheating.

Speaker 52 I get it.

Speaker 50 But imagine if cheating were allowed.

Speaker 89 Yeah, right. But, but it, oh, somebody always gets hurt.
Somebody always gets jealous. Somebody always gets upset.

Speaker 89 It doesn't like, oh, forever, they're going to be like, no, you tell me one 50-year polyamorous, you know?

Speaker 58 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 41 I do think that

Speaker 26 we were funny.

Speaker 63 We were having some similar conversation.

Speaker 35 I do think it's like, hey, listen, at the end of your life, you want one person holding your hand.

Speaker 51 And if you try for two, you may end up with none, you know?

Speaker 89 That's my feeling. I feel the same way.
I mean, you want to just, you know, you make a commitment to somebody if you love them and, you know, you can stay friends.

Speaker 89 But then if you break up, you go with somebody else. You're not going to be best friends.
And by friends, deep friends, I don't mean acquaintances. And deep friends share everything.

Speaker 89 They share the innermost feelings. And you won't be able to do that with your ex.
You know, you just wouldn't, because the new person is going to say, What are the helling talking? What are you doing?

Speaker 54 What's going on here?

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 12 So you mentioned that, of course, they talked about work.

Speaker 62 You just didn't put it in the movie.

Speaker 8 I think I can ask you this because he's talked about it publicly.

Speaker 63 I worked on the newsroom with Aaron Sorker and he would tell a story about you.

Speaker 20 And the story was basically that after a few good men, you know, he went into a hotel room, he came out a huge success, goes back into the four seasons.

Speaker 89 He's doing cocaine, writing for days at a time till the cocaine runs out getting more cocaine keeping on writing and he sends you a what my recollection like a 400 page here's the truth that it's amazing that he tells you that because that that's true that what happened what happened is we we were going to do this movie which eventually became the the american president and what happened was robert redford

Speaker 89 had the rights to it. And they had had like 14 different drafts from different writers.

Speaker 89 I never read any of them, but I met with Robert Redford and I said, Look, I can do this with Aaron because we had this great experience on a few good men.

Speaker 89 We want to do this together.

Speaker 89 And we started working on it. And Aaron was very,

Speaker 89 his issue was gun control. That's the thing he cared about.
My issue was the environment. And so we wanted to get those issues into this romantic story set in the world of the White House.
And so

Speaker 89 we crafted this. The first draft

Speaker 89 that Aaron sent me before we started working on it was 309 pages.

Speaker 92 309 pages.

Speaker 89 And I said, Aaron,

Speaker 89 a script is normally 100 to 150. It's like, I said, Aaron, we can't give this to Robert Redford.
I'm going to make him read 309 pages. It's crazy.
But he was on Coke and he was driving.

Speaker 69 He was doing.

Speaker 2 Not Redford, but Aaron.

Speaker 89 And so I said, we've got to rewrite this. Let's work on this.
So he'd send me pages. He was at the Four Seasons.

Speaker 66 He was a couple of blocks away.

Speaker 89 He'd send me facts, me and facts in those days, send me pages. I'd write.
I'd send pages back. We'd go back and forth, back and forth.
And the 309 turned into 334.

Speaker 89 And I went, Aaron, this is not going to work. I said, give me this thing.
Then I took it and I started, you know, massaging it.

Speaker 89 doing that. And I got it down to, I think, like 170 pages.
And we did send it to Redford. And he he says, I don't want to do political.
I want it just to be a romantic love story.

Speaker 89 And so he wound up not doing it. And then Michael Douglas came in.
But you were right about Aaron at that time.

Speaker 89 And Indy wrote me a letter, you know, afterwards, you know, like the 12-step thing where they say, I'm sorry that I fucked up your life.

Speaker 2 Well, no, but

Speaker 89 he was very nice about it.

Speaker 63 The way that he told it was that basically you were given this monstrosity that couldn't become a movie, but there was beautiful things in it.

Speaker 89 And that you basically said, all this part about the staff let's put this aside this this is your movie yeah and then he took the pages that you didn't use and he made the west wing well he he used a lot of pages that was fine you know it's cool and he did ask me yeah he said is it okay because there were hundreds of pages that we didn't use um and i said yeah sure sure i i don't have any proprietary thing about any of that stuff i mean to me a creative person you go and do it and and i was fine i was totally cool with that but to give you an example you remember i don't know if you've seen the movie At the end, Michael Douglas gives this speech

Speaker 89 in the press room, the press briefing room. And the speech is all about being the president and what it means to be a president.

Speaker 89 Aaron wrote a speech that was 15 pages long.

Speaker 89 And it wound up being about three and a half pages, which is still a lot of stuff.

Speaker 26 He pulls off a racing stripe.

Speaker 28 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 54 But he used all that stuff.

Speaker 89 He wound up in the, I think only in the first year maybe of West Wing.

Speaker 49 But then after that, the other stuff.

Speaker 91 Rob Reiner, thank you so much. That was so great.

Speaker 48 I really appreciate it.

Speaker 25 Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 23 The legendary Kathleen Turner stopped by our Boston show in June to regale us with behind-the-scenes stories from her decades in the industry, including a very special exchange she had with the late Matthew Perry when she was on Friends.

Speaker 23 Guess you can say me and Kathleen Turner are officially friends.

Speaker 22 That's embarrassing. We were acquaintances, acquaintances with a strong vibe.

Speaker 7 Please welcome to the stage.

Speaker 52 And we cannot believe it: a living legend, the one, the only Kathleen fucking Turner.

Speaker 13 We have a classic Love It or Leave It game that was tailor-made for you.

Speaker 78 That's right, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 91 It is time for was I in this

Speaker 92 Here's how it works Chris is out there in the house Audience you will not embarrass yourselves in front of Kathleen Turner.

Speaker 54 All right,

Speaker 91 raise your hand if you want to play and Chris will find you in the audience Kathleen played a cartoon shoe in who framed Roger Rabbit.

Speaker 54 True. False.
God damn it.

Speaker 70 Jessica Rabbit.

Speaker 55 Jessica.

Speaker 26 Joe, there is a shoe.

Speaker 67 There is a shoe. It goes in the dip.

Speaker 99 I think my favorite line from that was, I love you more than any woman has ever loved a rabbit before.

Speaker 13 I love that. I love that.
What an amazing.

Speaker 11 Were you Jessica Rabbit or was Jessica Rabbit you?

Speaker 24 You're now so entwined. Like, it seems the character couldn't exist without you, right?

Speaker 30 Well,

Speaker 99 Bob Zimeka is directed, and he directed Romancing The Stone. So we'd known each other, you know, for many years.
And I think that when he wanted just a voice,

Speaker 99 he thought of me. What he didn't realize, and which was absolutely gorgeous for me, was I was extremely pregnant then.

Speaker 99 And so I would waddle into the studio, you know, and I have these friends, like opera singers, who claim that they gain a note on either end with the resonance.

Speaker 54 So, I don't know.

Speaker 49 Anyway, the last day I was supposed to work,

Speaker 54 my water broke.

Speaker 99 And I'm in the hospital saying, call the studio, tell him I'm not coming today.

Speaker 19 I like that. I like that.

Speaker 91 The sexiest voice ever recorded had to call in for maternity leave.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 13 That's cool. That's great.

Speaker 79 And finally,

Speaker 22 Kathleen played what was described as Chandler's dad on Friends.

Speaker 30 Yeah.

Speaker 57 That is such a...

Speaker 73 All of these movies, it's so interesting, like, situating some of these movies because

Speaker 72 whether it's the strong women are existing in this sort of misogynist space, and then you play Chandler's dad at a time in which there wasn't even really the word trans,

Speaker 79 and yet it's a kind of loving portrait of this person in the end.

Speaker 20 Have you thought about that?

Speaker 99 I was doing a one-woman show based on Tolula Bankette, of course,

Speaker 99 up in San Francisco. And two of the writers from friends came up and came backstage and talked to me about playing

Speaker 99 this man in drag, yeah? And you're right. I mean, people have asked me since then, would you do it now? I mean, shouldn't it be done by a man in drag? Well, of course it should.

Speaker 99 But we didn't have that then. I mean, honestly, it wasn't really an option.
And

Speaker 99 so I wanted to,

Speaker 99 okay, no, wait, I have to.

Speaker 54 Okay.

Speaker 58 I had a...

Speaker 99 I had a dresser on the show, right?

Speaker 99 Gay guy who also did drag. And so I said, you got to take me to some clubs.
You know, I need to understand what this is and what I have to do. So, he took me to

Speaker 99 these drag clubs, and they were brilliant.

Speaker 54 And they were, oh, so

Speaker 82 such angry

Speaker 99 laughter. You know, I mean, they were hilarious, but there always seemed to be this edge of real anger underneath.

Speaker 99 And so, first day of rehearsal at the studio, I go in and I read through the script, and suddenly the producers and everybody else run off to a corner and huddle.

Speaker 99 And then someone comes over bravely and says, It's great, you know, it's just great.

Speaker 54 I mean, you're

Speaker 40 great,

Speaker 54 great.

Speaker 40 But

Speaker 99 we wonder,

Speaker 99 could you just be

Speaker 99 a little nicer?

Speaker 49 Yep, okay.

Speaker 55 Well,

Speaker 69 it's interesting because it's clearly this perfect, it's, you know, maybe it wouldn't be, it obviously exists in the same way today, but this character is described as a drag queen, but clearly living as a woman all the time.

Speaker 99 He's fully, yeah, he's not just a drag queen. His life is as a woman.

Speaker 19 Right, that's exactly right. Yeah.

Speaker 40 Yeah.

Speaker 38 It's in.

Speaker 99 Well, I'll tell you, it's funny, though, because

Speaker 99 Matthew Perry used to call me dad.

Speaker 99 You know, when he would see me, he would be dad.

Speaker 73 That's sweet.

Speaker 54 Yeah, poor baby.

Speaker 28 Thank you for being here.

Speaker 77 I enjoyed it.

Speaker 24 Is this fun? Do you have fun?

Speaker 65 Do you have fun?

Speaker 39 Yeah, I have fun.

Speaker 70 Everybody give it up for the one, the only

Speaker 20 Kathleen Turner.

Speaker 9 July 21st, 2024 was a day that will go down in American history, for it was the day we dropped the episode where comedian, actor, and writer Thomas Lennon joined us in Madison, Wisconsin to ask the audience, hey, did I write this?

Speaker 6 Also on July 21st, Joe Biden dropped out of the 2024 presidential election and endorsed Kamala Harris.

Speaker 7 It was an interesting footnote to the day's main historical entry, which was again, Thomas Lennon.

Speaker 22 Let's take a listen.

Speaker 62 Please welcome to the stage.

Speaker 21 The one, the only, it's Thomas Lennon.

Speaker 44 He's running full speed.

Speaker 30 Full speed.

Speaker 61 Full speed. Yes.

Speaker 20 Okay. Hi.

Speaker 40 Hi.

Speaker 33 Thank you for being here.

Speaker 40 Come on.

Speaker 35 So now you are an incredible writer who has written on so many projects.

Speaker 42 I'm a busy writer.

Speaker 35 You're very busy.

Speaker 18 So it's time we play a twist on a lovely classic called Did I Write This?

Speaker 44 We're going to have Chris out there.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 41 If somebody would like to, let's somebody raise your hand and want to answer a question.

Speaker 42 Was I the pen behind, and I'm going to say her name properly, the Lindsay Loewen

Speaker 54 vehicle, Herbie Fully Loaded? Yes.

Speaker 53 Yes, correct. Got it.

Speaker 2 Correct.

Speaker 26 So you talk about, in the book, about making this movie, what is your takeaway now all these years later?

Speaker 35 A couple things.

Speaker 42 Lindsay Loewen is,

Speaker 42 she's excellent in the film. The film actually did really well, and everyone just hated us so much when that movie came out.

Speaker 5 The reason, oh,

Speaker 42 it's in the actual poster right now. We actually got fired, even though I'm in the movie at some point, we got fired off of writing the film because

Speaker 42 the studio producer, after something happened, was like, and then Herbie's going to smile.

Speaker 42 And we were like, Herbie's not fucking like liquid metal.

Speaker 42 He's not the T1.

Speaker 42 His lights go on and off. His trunk opens.
He goes, beep, beep, but he's not like, he's not going to go off, meee, like fucking smile. Like the Joker, that's insane.
That's crazy.

Speaker 42 If the car smiles at Lindsay Lowen, she's going to go, that's crazy. This is a sentient, like, insane thing.
So that was the hill that we died on. And then we.

Speaker 35 So, for some reason, we were perfectly happy to write a Herbie Fully loaded movie, but going to be dicks about that the car couldn't smile,

Speaker 5 which was such an awesome idea.

Speaker 2 No, and that's

Speaker 42 they really got us on the poster.

Speaker 70 Right, because the car does seem to smile.

Speaker 39 He has just got a shit-eating grin on his face.

Speaker 5 So he's almost saying, hi, Tom.

Speaker 25 So Herbie is a sentient vehicle.

Speaker 42 Herbie, yeah, Herbie, this was actually, I think, probably something like the sixth Herbie movie, something like that.

Speaker 54 Wow.

Speaker 54 Yeah.

Speaker 30 It was an

Speaker 42 interesting time to write that picture, for sure.

Speaker 61 Okay.

Speaker 42 I wrote,

Speaker 42 did I write Reno 911, The Hunt for QAnon?

Speaker 35 This feels like.

Speaker 42 It's distressing how many of you have not seen that. That's a real movie.

Speaker 54 I consider.

Speaker 89 I'm a big fan.

Speaker 85 I just found out about this.

Speaker 42 Okay, that's really fucking distressing.

Speaker 54 This is a giant movie that came out on Paramount Plus.

Speaker 2 I thought it was a giant movie.

Speaker 5 Sorry, the answer was, yeah.

Speaker 35 I'm going to go with yes. Well, yeah.

Speaker 66 Obviously, yes.

Speaker 30 Yeah.

Speaker 31 Yeah.

Speaker 42 One of my Smarty Pants friends pointed out, they're like, shouldn't it really be called Reno 911, The Hunt for Q?

Speaker 42 And I was like, yeah, but they already told us what the title was.

Speaker 12 That's right, because Q and Non is everywhere.

Speaker 42 And plus, like, we didn't make Herbie smile. I'm like, I'm not going to fucking do this again.

Speaker 42 They told us what the title was. Shut up and do it sometimes.

Speaker 42 The answer to who Q is in that movie is RuPaul and a Speakin' Spell.

Speaker 15 That's cool.

Speaker 26 That's as good a guess as any.

Speaker 70 As good a guess as any.

Speaker 5 I sorry you spoiled it.

Speaker 42 Please watch it.

Speaker 5 It's on Paramount Plus. I will.

Speaker 20 I'll watch it.

Speaker 68 Yeah,

Speaker 68 it'd be good if they just hit the page.

Speaker 42 If everybody just sign up for Paramount Plus and just leave me on.

Speaker 40 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 83 Next question.

Speaker 24 Did Thomas write the pacifier starring one Vin Diesel?

Speaker 10 I hope so.

Speaker 77 Yes.

Speaker 11 You in the book, you said you met with Jackie Chan to potentially star in the Pacifier before Vin signed on.

Speaker 42 It was 100% just supposed to to be a Jackie Chan movie.

Speaker 42 One thing is in the original draft written for Jackie, pitched to Jackie. Jackie loved the idea.
He said script very good. After we pitched it, he did like some kung fu at lunch.

Speaker 42 It was really like one of the coolest days of my life.

Speaker 42 And the idea was that he goes to a really great Chinese market and he's going to make a duck for the children.

Speaker 42 And so

Speaker 42 the children freak out, and of course then he becomes friends with the duck and he has sort of a scene where

Speaker 42 the duck is like his Raza Razagul, and he kind of talks to the duck a little bit, and they become friends. And the duck, of course, is a popular character.
So when Jackie ended up,

Speaker 42 they didn't want to do the movie with Jackie for a minute because the tuxedo had just kind of, in Hollywood, you can cool off like in a millisecond, and then you're hot, and then you're freezing cold, and you're hot.

Speaker 42 It's gaslighting all the time.

Speaker 5 So,

Speaker 42 but so Jackie was no longer going to be in the movie. It was Vin Diesel.

Speaker 42 And I was like, well, let me go do a pass because we obviously have to cut the duck. That doesn't make sense.
And I'm like, no.

Speaker 42 The only thing in the movie that for sure stays is the duck.

Speaker 19 I'm like, but why?

Speaker 81 And they're like, because he has a duck.

Speaker 42 I'm like,

Speaker 42 how?

Speaker 5 Fucking poster.

Speaker 34 I'm always wrong.

Speaker 39 Look at the fucking poster.

Speaker 42 Every hill I die on is in the poster going like that.

Speaker 42 Ducks and smiling beetles.

Speaker 43 I don't, did they make the car smile?

Speaker 61 I guess so.

Speaker 42 They did make the car smile.

Speaker 35 Pacifier was a sort of oddly a big hit.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 42 So was Herbie, by the way, even though it was

Speaker 40 a weird movie.

Speaker 63 Well, because it's about Ascension Cash No Rights.

Speaker 38 Yeah, we did.

Speaker 42 We made a huge mistake, which was at the premiere of

Speaker 42 Herbie Fully Loaded at the El Capitan in Hollywood. We talked to Nina Jacobson, who was the president of Disney, about what the sequel was going to be.
Don't ever do that.

Speaker 42 Don't ever do that. Don't ever go to the bar and be like, woohoo, what's the next one?

Speaker 2 Herbie is going to get into that. Don't do that.

Speaker 5 Don't ever talk about what the next Herbie is.

Speaker 30 I'm going to die

Speaker 62 with Nina Jacobson,

Speaker 35 the former head of the studio.

Speaker 24 Don't bring up the sequel for Herbie Sequoia.

Speaker 5 We all talked about it.

Speaker 81 High five and early.

Speaker 2 Don't do it.

Speaker 97 It's a curse.

Speaker 81 That's the curse.

Speaker 42 The curse of talking about the movie too much.

Speaker 24 Did Thomas write for Comedy Central's legendary legendary comedy series Strangers with Candy?

Speaker 89 I'm a contrarian. No.

Speaker 13 Incorrect.

Speaker 91 Come on.

Speaker 42 That was an interesting one because

Speaker 42 Stephen Colbert was the head writer of Strangers with Candy, who has also played

Speaker 42 one of the main characters. There they are.
It's most of Exit 57. It's Amy and Paul and everybody.
But really, almost nobody else wrote

Speaker 42 Strangers with Candy episodes. I don't know why they really let me write one, but I wrote the one

Speaker 2 where

Speaker 42 Jerry had traded away. She'd had a child years ago that she traded for a guitar.

Speaker 42 And then this new boy comes to school, and it seems like this might be the boy that she traded for. So she goes to the Sadie Hawkins dance with what might be her son.

Speaker 42 And it's like very romantic, and she gives a long speech about how she always wondered what happened to that guitar.

Speaker 35 It was a good episode.

Speaker 42 Stephen Colbert is a tough, tough guy to work for on that show. Tough.
He's very, very,

Speaker 42 he's a very hands-on writing.

Speaker 42 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 82 He's smart.

Speaker 54 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's too funny.

Speaker 42 He's too true. It gets a little, it's, yeah.
Sometimes it feels like, yeah, intense. I like that.

Speaker 42 I mean, we're friends, but it's also, it feels, you know, it's like definitely like the stakes are high.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 42 You don't want to, you don't want to let him down.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 53 We've gone on the late show with, and it's,

Speaker 16 you know, the people you meet and they're just like, I don't know, I'm pretty,

Speaker 16 I'm pretty inured to it at this point, but I am so nervous.

Speaker 42 Oh, no, that one is particularly nice.

Speaker 62 You can just see it.

Speaker 82 He's so smart.

Speaker 54 He's so funny.

Speaker 20 He has such a, there's also just like a righteousness to him, like an integrity to how he does things.

Speaker 45 Yes, that it's just, you really, I really want, I wanted, I want to do for him what he wants me to do.

Speaker 91 And it's like, it's not that I want his approval, I want to succeed in the way he hopes.

Speaker 81 Oh, I want his approval very much.

Speaker 28 And I also want the approval. I want his approval.
100%.

Speaker 42 One time he told me that I look handsome, and it was the first time I was happy in, I don't know, 35, 40 years

Speaker 5 but you know that was just it felt good yeah that's a great strangers with candy also on paramount plus please go to paramount plus everybody and if you take anything away from this

Speaker 42 put it on just put a thumb on it

Speaker 18 thomas lennon thank you so much for being here oh my god love it while i was busy sucking down sand and having my sunburned ass handed to me by my tribe mates The wonderful Matt Rogers hosted a perfect week of Love It or Leave It in May.

Speaker 21 Open your ears and your hearts as his guest, Rachel Bloom, recalls a story about 9-11 that you'll never forget.

Speaker 66 Y'all ready for the next guest?

Speaker 101 Please, welcome to the stage. She was America's crazy ex-girlfriend.
Now she's my crazy platonic stage wife. It's the unbelievable Rachel Bloom.

Speaker 2 I just want to say, Love It is shivering on a rock right now.

Speaker 40 I want to remind everyone,

Speaker 60 John, your show is in great hands.

Speaker 101 Everything's going well, buddy. So speaking of things that started in the aughts, talking about survivor there.

Speaker 101 So I don't know if you know this, but last week, America celebrated the 20th anniversary of the release of Shrek 2.

Speaker 101 I love that.

Speaker 102 I was so wondering what we were going to talk about because I realized they sent an email asking, what do you want to talk about? And I'm solo parenting this week. Yeah.

Speaker 36 So I'm a mother.

Speaker 102 So that's my real job.

Speaker 40 No.

Speaker 102 So I was like, whatever he wants to talk about. I trust him.
So I love that, of course, we're going to talk about fucking Shrek 2.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 101 And I knew that you would love it.

Speaker 102 Shrek came out in what year?

Speaker 97 2001.

Speaker 101 So the first Shrek was 2001, but we're talking of pre-9/11 or post-9-11.

Speaker 29 That's important to me.

Speaker 66 Time.

Speaker 101 Did someone just say...

Speaker 32 I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 60 Did someone just say moments after?

Speaker 101 You go, pre-9-11 or post, and someone in the crowd goes, it was moments after.

Speaker 60 It was tower one, tower two, shred two.

Speaker 32 Okay, so first.

Speaker 102 I always ask when something comes out in 2001, if it's pre-9-11 or post, because I remember that time.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 77 Yeah. And that's all I got.

Speaker 77 And that's why.

Speaker 101 Do you want to hear something dark?

Speaker 66 This is true.

Speaker 101 September 11th, 2001.

Speaker 60 What?

Speaker 101 Was the day Mariah Kerry released her album that accompanied the film, Glitter.

Speaker 60 I remember going to school that morning and writing the header on my paper.

Speaker 101 9-11, 2001.

Speaker 58 And I remember saying, probably out loud, this is the day that I get glitter.

Speaker 60 My mother,

Speaker 101 I get a call, like, send, it's like so many times. How many kids did

Speaker 101 you're at East Coast?

Speaker 101 I had just gotten to school.

Speaker 101 Can you send Matt Rogers

Speaker 101 down to the office? His mother is here to take him home for the day.

Speaker 66 I'm like, oh my God, my mom is taking me to get glitter early.

Speaker 66 I quickly learned

Speaker 60 that was not the reason for my early dismissal.

Speaker 101 My mom, concerned, was like, there's just something going on in the city and I really, I don't like what's happening and I want you to be home with me.

Speaker 41 I said, okay,

Speaker 69 are we going to get glitter?

Speaker 101 She goes, I don't think the store is going to be open.

Speaker 32 And I go, what?

Speaker 60 What's going on in the city that the store wouldn't be open on Long Island?

Speaker 101 And so she goes, oh my God.

Speaker 52 And I think I saw her realize in that moment, like, I have to get my gay son this album now, or else what already is a nightmare will be even worse in my own home.

Speaker 101 So we did stop by the record store.

Speaker 101 They were closing up and my mom goes, please just let us quickly do this.

Speaker 2 And the people that were working there were like,

Speaker 54 okay.

Speaker 101 Anyway, it's an underrated album to this day.

Speaker 102 Please make this a short film because what I'm picturing is a line of employees

Speaker 102 salute you as you walk by with them.

Speaker 66 Just like.

Speaker 34 If this is an America.

Speaker 101 So when you say person out there who was like moments after,

Speaker 66 literally moments after.

Speaker 102 My husband was.

Speaker 102 No, this will be.

Speaker 102 My husband lived two blocks from the towers on 9-11. He was at NYU.
He was at the Water Street dorm.

Speaker 69 Oh my God, at the Water Street dorm.

Speaker 102 Yeah, and his 9-11 story is

Speaker 102 insane because

Speaker 102 first plane hit tower one and he went out to go see because they thought it was just an accident.

Speaker 34 Right.

Speaker 102 And then it was like September, he's wearing sweatpants, and he went back inside because his balls were cold.

Speaker 102 And that is the thing that maybe saved his life.

Speaker 66 His balls.

Speaker 102 His balls being cold, because otherwise he would have been like right under the fucking towers with the plane.

Speaker 39 His balls saved his life.

Speaker 101 Yes.

Speaker 102 His weak little balls.

Speaker 34 No,

Speaker 34 they're fine.

Speaker 54 They worked!

Speaker 9 Simon Rex, the man, the mystery, the reason we need more scary movie sequels.

Speaker 8 We were excited about Simon when we knew he was coming on the show, but when he started ruminating on the nature of ghosts during this August episode, well, you have to hear it yourself.

Speaker 23 Listen closely and see if you can pick up on our head writer, Hallie, busting up backstage.

Speaker 7 From her to you, thank you, Simon Rex.

Speaker 26 Simon, you shot at the Hacienda Temazon Sur in Mexico?

Speaker 52 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Which is, I think, the most beautiful place I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 49 Yeah, look at that.

Speaker 42 That's cool.

Speaker 81 It's an old, kind of creepy place, but now it's beautiful, but it had like, I don't believe in ghosts, but it would be haunted if the ghosts were real. I invite ghosts to come hang out.

Speaker 81 I don't think they could physically hurt you. I think

Speaker 81 they scare you, but they can't hurt you, right?

Speaker 70 So I gotta say, for a guy that doesn't believe in ghosts, you got some very specific ideas of what they can and cannot do.

Speaker 47 But isn't then there would be cat ghosts and dinosaur ghosts would be taking up space.

Speaker 81 Why? Just humans? Why do we think we're the only ghosts?

Speaker 54 That's a really important point. I know.

Speaker 71 Well, in a lot of ghost media, there are animal ghosts.

Speaker 2 There are?

Speaker 54 Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah. Ghost dogs.

Speaker 47 Yeah.

Speaker 81 So, yeah, I just don't believe in ghosts, but maybe I shouldn't say that publicly because now they're coming for me.

Speaker 38 Right.

Speaker 71 But that's how you conjure them is talking about them on a podcast.

Speaker 81 Do you believe in ghosts?

Speaker 40 I do.

Speaker 40 I do believe in ghosts.

Speaker 35 No.

Speaker 34 But

Speaker 62 I think that, do I believe that there are

Speaker 87 forces moving through us that we can't possibly understand that like sort of defy our comprehension, and then we use our three-dimensional brain in a multi-dimensional universe to kind of make sense of things that our brain simply cannot make sense of and describe them as ghosts.

Speaker 63 Yes.

Speaker 54 Okay.

Speaker 30 I think.

Speaker 25 Yeah. That's what I think.

Speaker 64 Have you had any ghosts?

Speaker 71 I not personally, but I just feel like they could exist. Why not? It feels like I have a soul.
I believe I feel it.

Speaker 38 So sure, it could like wander around.

Speaker 35 I believe you have a soul. Thank you.

Speaker 70 Simon, inspired by your incredible. True.

Speaker 87 inspired by your incredible digs, a shipping container,

Speaker 63 we have a very special new edition of a classic Love It or Leave It game we'd like to play.

Speaker 17 Ashley, this is also inspired by your ability to have an opinion on everything. True.

Speaker 57 Which is why we're going to play, would you fuck this house?

Speaker 70 Ooh.

Speaker 28 Nice.

Speaker 38 I love this.

Speaker 26 Simon Ashley, the game is very simple.

Speaker 70 I will show you a house.

Speaker 65 You will have to tell us if you would fuck it.

Speaker 39 Obviously, this is not literal, or is it?

Speaker 13 Doesn't matter.

Speaker 54 All right, here we go.

Speaker 73 The Biltmore Mansion in Asheville, North Carolina.

Speaker 19 I've been there.

Speaker 49 We've been there.

Speaker 81 Yeah, I didn't fuck it. It's very regal.

Speaker 38 It is.

Speaker 71 I'd say it's really just not my type. This isn't the kind of person I fuck.

Speaker 71 I don't think I've ever dated someone with a good credit score.

Speaker 38 So

Speaker 71 just feels like it's out of my league.

Speaker 11 It looks like a racist house.

Speaker 38 Yeah. That too.

Speaker 30 Here's that too.

Speaker 24 Yeah, no, it's a no for me.

Speaker 64 It's a past.

Speaker 62 If there was ghosts, they would be there.

Speaker 38 That's haunted as well.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I do think it's like, like in the movie, this is, you know, this is who

Speaker 64 Rose is trying to get away from in Titanic.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 40 You know?

Speaker 5 Could you have sex with a ghost?

Speaker 71 Okay, so people have said that they have.

Speaker 54 Ooh. Yeah.

Speaker 81 There's people who have like

Speaker 71 interviewed and talked about how they had sex with a ghost.

Speaker 11 Like receive or give?

Speaker 38 Receive, usually.

Speaker 54 Spooky. Yeah.

Speaker 57 I got to tell you,

Speaker 70 I think you believe in ghosts.

Speaker 43 I think you believe in them. And I'm just getting the sense that you might believe in them.

Speaker 24 Next up, we have the Flintstones house in Hillsboro, California.

Speaker 36 Ooh.

Speaker 39 Phallic.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 71 Mounds feel sexual.

Speaker 81 It looks like some orange breasts, like an orange worm.

Speaker 30 Those holes. Do you see that?

Speaker 71 I kind of love it. The longer I look, the more I'm like, you know, like on a first date, you first think, oh, I don't know if I like this person.
And slowly you're like, okay,

Speaker 38 okay, I could see this.

Speaker 81 Voluptuous childbearing rooms.

Speaker 54 Right.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 26 I think it's space-like. Yeah.

Speaker 51 I think it's like low gravity.

Speaker 81 Has anyone had sex in outer space yet?

Speaker 71 Oh, probably for sure.

Speaker 26 It's one of those ghosts.

Speaker 24 Has anyone had sex in outer space yet?

Speaker 38 Definitely.

Speaker 81 In the International Space Station? Yeah.

Speaker 17 After a year alone. Yeah.

Speaker 35 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 28 It's like, hey, after this docking, should we do some docking?

Speaker 71 I mean, those two astronauts who are stuck up there right now are having sex.

Speaker 28 Yeah, well, that's interesting.

Speaker 104 That's interesting.

Speaker 81 And if you got pregnant, would the baby be any different? Does time not exist?

Speaker 89 Time exists.

Speaker 77 Because you're not rotating around the sun.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, no.

Speaker 41 Don't they have more days?

Speaker 81 Yeah, don't you age different in outer space?

Speaker 68 Yeah, these are really important questions.

Speaker 64 Let's just take them one at a time.

Speaker 26 I think you do age differently up there, but not for the reasons you're saying.

Speaker 25 Would the baby be fucked up?

Speaker 39 Probably.

Speaker 79 But not again because of time. The amount of time you go around the sun might be different, but the baby wouldn't know.

Speaker 30 Move.

Speaker 28 But it still might be screwed up because there's no gravity up there. You know what I mean?

Speaker 96 Yeah, then they're not.

Speaker 28 Also, it stinks up there.

Speaker 38 Yeah, because they also have, like, they can't pee normal.

Speaker 71 They can't pee normal. Because there's no gravity, so they have to use a suction cup to pee.

Speaker 62 They're disgusting. They just wipe each other.

Speaker 46 They just wipe. They have wipes.

Speaker 24 Imagine spending six months up there, and all you're doing is going into a thing, drawing a curtain, and wiping your whole body, head to toe.

Speaker 71 And I do think that does create a sort of sexual environment. It's like, you're seeing me at my worst.
Let's just go at each other.

Speaker 54 And cool.

Speaker 38 And that's why I would fuck this house.

Speaker 70 And that's why you fuck that house.

Speaker 39 And you know,

Speaker 64 after you have sex up there, you could say, I need some space.

Speaker 90 Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 18 Hey, everybody, love it or leave it has some exciting LA live shows coming up in 2025.

Speaker 11 I'll be taking the stage for a new season of the show that dared guests from Danny DeVito to Amy Klobuchar to ask, what is this?

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Speaker 22 We really appreciate it.

Speaker 63 It's only so often you get to share the stage with a legend. I just hope Jane Fonda enjoyed it.

Speaker 86 Just kidding.

Speaker 20 I was like an ants before the eye of God during our very special show at the Bourbon Room in Los Angeles this September.

Speaker 12 Let's get, well, not physical.

Speaker 10 Let's get audible.

Speaker 48 Hi, Jane.

Speaker 61 So nice to see you.

Speaker 67 Nice to see you, too.

Speaker 27 What's the matter? No, I'm just.

Speaker 85 I've lost already. It's over.

Speaker 67 Listen,

Speaker 67 who is seeing this show? Is this it?

Speaker 68 I mean, you mean live?

Speaker 26 Live, this is it.

Speaker 69 Okay.

Speaker 8 But then a bunch of people will see it on YouTube, and a bunch of people will listen to it as a podcast.

Speaker 40 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 40 Okay.

Speaker 67 I came on here. I thought you were a different John Lovett.

Speaker 36 I didn't.

Speaker 67 And

Speaker 67 I'm very pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 67 But I don't know why I'm here.

Speaker 67 I really don't.

Speaker 84 I ask my publicists, why am I here?

Speaker 31 I mean...

Speaker 25 No, and your confusion,

Speaker 8 totally understandable.

Speaker 41 And again, like, you wouldn't know based on this or this

Speaker 26 that people listen.

Speaker 12 Isn't that surprising by my whole personality that people tune into this?

Speaker 67 You're very funny.

Speaker 40 Oh.

Speaker 31 yeah.

Speaker 67 No, I'm actually, I'm feeling good because

Speaker 67 at my age, I really, I could understand your humor a little bit.

Speaker 67 I mean, I understand why people laughed. I was worried.

Speaker 67 Because, you know,

Speaker 67 you can kind of be out of it.

Speaker 66 You were worried that you were out of it?

Speaker 67 Yeah, I was worried that I wouldn't think you're funny and that I wouldn't really know why I was here.

Speaker 61 But you are funny. Well,

Speaker 18 now, you've been an activist and for such a long time.

Speaker 50 Now, can we show the image of the 1970

Speaker 48 monk shot?

Speaker 63 Because I feel like you should teach a course on how to look cool in a monk shot.

Speaker 50 I mean, that.

Speaker 67 You guys must be really short on money. I don't think too many people must listen to this show.
You have no money. You show a small TV show.

Speaker 58 No.

Speaker 52 No.

Speaker 24 Now, you may be saying, why not not put it on the big screen behind you.

Speaker 67 Shows usually have a big screen.

Speaker 60 It ain't the view. That's what I'm saying.
Jane,

Speaker 52 I want you to know that people

Speaker 50 sweat and blood and tears

Speaker 27 went into trying to get that image on this screen.

Speaker 51 And it didn't work.

Speaker 7 But even with AI and all the technological wonders, even with billionaires soaring above our heads as we speak, no.

Speaker 35 Not tonight. Could it work?

Speaker 66 And maybe that was a good idea.

Speaker 67 Well, it is a good mugshot.

Speaker 2 It is a good mugshot.

Speaker 40 I got lucky.

Speaker 67 The lighting was really good.

Speaker 36 It's boring.

Speaker 67 I have several, and they don't all look that good.

Speaker 51 You, so speaking of which, you told the Washington Post that one of your jailers said there must be a better way to draw attention to your cause.

Speaker 68 But is there?

Speaker 7 It feels like it works.

Speaker 24 You getting arrested.

Speaker 27 It's a big deal when Jane Fonda gets arrested everyone's like holy shit they arrested Jane Fonda again

Speaker 67 yeah that's why I do it

Speaker 67 I turned I

Speaker 67 no it's true I mean it's it's called non-violent civil disobedience and it has changed history throughout history

Speaker 59 that said

Speaker 67 you know I'm white. I'm famous.
They don't treat me like they do black people and brown people.

Speaker 67 And I recognize that. I don't want to make it look like it's some brave thing to be arrested.
It's not.

Speaker 67 You usually get put in a holding pen with a lot of people that you wanted to talk to anyway.

Speaker 38 And I could do wall squats.

Speaker 40 Oh.

Speaker 67 You probably don't know what that is.

Speaker 85 I know what a wall squat is, Jane. I do know what a wall squat is.

Speaker 27 Jane, I've been doing Pilates.

Speaker 31 Really?

Speaker 58 I have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 67 But I turned 82 in jail, and I knew that would get a lot of

Speaker 67 like five or six years ago, and I knew it would get a lot of attention.

Speaker 54 And it did.

Speaker 67 And so a lot of other old women around the country said, well, if she can do it, and people came from all over the country, it was so great and got arrested for the first time.

Speaker 96 And it was fun, you see?

Speaker 67 We had a good time. I don't know.
Is there a camera that is photographing anything here?

Speaker 12 Yes, there's actually several.

Speaker 73 It's a real production.

Speaker 48 It's a real.

Speaker 55 There are professionals.

Speaker 7 You can't see them. They're dark because of the lighting.

Speaker 24 There's professionals in virtually every direction.

Speaker 67 I came in here and walked a half a mile straight upstairs.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Tonight, you're about to match wits with Crooked's resident film expert and Dweeb, an Emmy nominee this weekend for his writing on the 2024 Academy Awards.

Speaker 7 Please welcome Keep Its Own Louis Vertel.

Speaker 55 There he is.

Speaker 36 Lewis.

Speaker 8 Come on. Good to see you, buddy.

Speaker 24 Lewis.

Speaker 90 We were on Millionaire Together.

Speaker 40 Yeah, we were.

Speaker 54 Yes.

Speaker 67 I can never beat him.

Speaker 90 She should be afraid.

Speaker 54 That's the way it works. Yeah.

Speaker 67 No, he knows everything.

Speaker 27 I know. I know.
He's a savant.

Speaker 90 When we were on Who Wants to be a Millionaire Together, this is how crazy it is to know this person.

Speaker 8 We kept getting questions on accident that dovetailed with her life.

Speaker 90 We got a question about a hundred-year-old tortoise she had met before.

Speaker 90 And he was like, impotent or something?

Speaker 67 No, I watched him be masturbated.

Speaker 66 I did.

Speaker 26 That's no way to speak about Rupert Murdoch.

Speaker 67 Who is Lonesome George?

Speaker 61 Was his name?

Speaker 96 Lonesome George. Very famous.

Speaker 34 Lonesome George.

Speaker 67 They brought a Swedish course, a Swedish woman vet over to the Galapagos.

Speaker 67 They wanted to try to breed him so that the, you know, and it didn't work.

Speaker 54 Didn't work. No.

Speaker 61 I just want to say as a trivia person, aren't you all fucking in awe of her amazing memory? Jesus Christ.

Speaker 31 You know everything.

Speaker 54 No, you know.

Speaker 54 That's true. I do too.

Speaker 67 Yes, you're going to win this.

Speaker 12 Let's go. So, here's how it works.

Speaker 91 Now, Lewis is a low-key madman.

Speaker 25 So, we thought we would up the difficulty and pit him against Jane Fonda in a segment we're calling Into the Fondaverse.

Speaker 18 I will ask both of you questions about Jane Fonda.

Speaker 24 And we will see who knows Jane Fonda better.

Speaker 8 First question.

Speaker 27 What is the film Jane Fonda most regrets turning down?

Speaker 90 Ooh, oh, I know, I think. Bonnie and Clyde.
Incorrect. She has said Bonnie and Clyde before.

Speaker 40 I can find the interview right now.

Speaker 40 God, what was it?

Speaker 67 It was Julie Christie and

Speaker 66 Marcia Reif. What was that movie? Oh, Dr.

Speaker 40 Chicago.

Speaker 69 Yeah.

Speaker 24 That's correct, Jane.

Speaker 36 Okay, yeah.

Speaker 41 At least that's what you told Ellen.

Speaker 63 Jane Fonda received the title role in the 1965 Comedy Western Cat Balloo, considered by many to be her breakout star turn.

Speaker 73 After the first choice actress passed, later it was revealed that the actress's manager had declined the role without consulting her, and if she had known, she would have taken it.

Speaker 83 Who is that actress?

Speaker 43 Who is the actress

Speaker 67 that was originally offered Chat Baloo? Yeah.

Speaker 61 Oh, that's a good.

Speaker 58 Well, I know that

Speaker 90 her first three Oscar nominations, Barbara Streisand turned it down all three times, which is so cool.

Speaker 67 According to Barbara.

Speaker 31 I believe you.

Speaker 67 According to Barbara, I would have no career if it weren't for her.

Speaker 67 She turned down Barbarella.

Speaker 67 She turned down Clute.

Speaker 61 They shoot horses, don't they? What? They shoot horses, don't they?

Speaker 67 They shoot horses, don't they? And Julia.

Speaker 66 And Julia, I mean, can you see her?

Speaker 61 No, I know. It's all around.

Speaker 90 So that's not the answer for that question. I'm going to go with 1965.

Speaker 91 Mmm, Cat Ballou.

Speaker 90 I assume she was already popular at the time.

Speaker 55 Elizabeth Ashley?

Speaker 46 Great guess.

Speaker 73 Correct answer is Anne Margaret.

Speaker 40 Ann Margaret.

Speaker 90 There was a phase when you and and Anne Margaret had the exact same hair. I'm not kidding, it was confusing.

Speaker 38 Thank you.

Speaker 67 She would have been good in Kempaloo.

Speaker 61 Yeah, absolutely. Yes.

Speaker 67 I'm glad she turned it down.

Speaker 90 Oh, wait, quickly, story. Can I tell you one really quickly? Yeah.
One time this guy came over to hook up.

Speaker 61 Like it was like a grinder hookup.

Speaker 90 And at the time, I have this awesome poster of Jane Fonda in my house. And the guy was not super verbal.
Like he was drunk or something.

Speaker 90 And he comes in, says nothing, sees the poster of Jane and goes,

Speaker 90 Capaloo. And that was the beginning of a friendship, and he's a big movie person.
Anyway, we had sex.

Speaker 58 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 24 Final question.

Speaker 51 Which of the following is not a real quote from one Jane Fonda?

Speaker 27 Okay.

Speaker 6 A, what does Jane Fonda eat for breakfast?

Speaker 24 My boyfriend, well-toasted, buttered on both sides.

Speaker 2 B, I ate a beetle.

Speaker 20 C, my 82-year-old bones hurt.

Speaker 18 Or D, you can grease him up or down.

Speaker 90 I believe she said the first one about eating the boyfriend for breakfast.

Speaker 2 that's correct. No.

Speaker 60 But you didn't say that?

Speaker 58 No, you did. That's what I mean.

Speaker 90 I absolutely can hear it in your voice.

Speaker 26 You said what.

Speaker 67 I would never.

Speaker 12 Apparently you did.

Speaker 67 I'm not a morning person.

Speaker 85 Lewis, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you've been absolutely obliterated.

Speaker 54 You jam

Speaker 58 the floor with Lewis.

Speaker 64 And what do you think about Lewis bonding with a would-be paramour about a poster of you?

Speaker 61 I love it. Okay.

Speaker 67 Listen, in your life, if you can get one person screwed,

Speaker 38 it's worth it.

Speaker 54 You've done something good.

Speaker 18 They say grief is non-linear.

Speaker 16 For me, my post-election grief has followed a loose trajectory similar to one taken by a rocket-powered riverboat driven by a demonic steamboat Willie.

Speaker 22 Also, the toilets are all out of order.

Speaker 11 Listen in as I attempt to, in real time, make sense of a second Trump administration in this, our post-election show.

Speaker 80 It has landed on depression.

Speaker 35 I would just start crying. It's like that easy.

Speaker 104 I had a very dark moment earlier today,

Speaker 42 which was

Speaker 52 that I actually had a moment where I was really kind of mourning the good that we're not going to get.

Speaker 46 I had this moment where I just indulged in thinking about the delta between the world as we were fighting for and the world that we're going to get.

Speaker 86 And I realized I had this moment where I just thought,

Speaker 103 I don't know how bad things will get.

Speaker 20 But no matter who you are, no matter what you have, the next four years will be worse.

Speaker 83 We've just signed on for being a bit sadder and more anxious and upset about politics. And there's no changing that now.

Speaker 87 And we can ignore it for a time and do self-care and tend to our feelings and step away when we have to, and we should step away when we have to.

Speaker 87 And I'm not going to indulge in this all the time, but that was a feeling I had, which is just the next couple years are just going to be bad.

Speaker 64 What's the next stage?

Speaker 30 Is this a good idea?

Speaker 26 Bargaining, maybe it won't be so bad.

Speaker 98 Okay.

Speaker 30 Listen.

Speaker 30 Okay.

Speaker 30 All right.

Speaker 68 All right. Hear me out.

Speaker 54 Hear me out.

Speaker 68 hear me out.

Speaker 26 Maybe it won't be so bad, okay?

Speaker 70 Donald Trump at root wants to be loved.

Speaker 24 He wasn't, didn't get enough love as a child.

Speaker 43 He's never had therapy, he's a broken fucking person.

Speaker 64 He's very transactional.

Speaker 25 People, he loves people who love him.

Speaker 64 He hates people who hate him.

Speaker 48 He hurts people who hurt him or don't love him or admire him.

Speaker 64 And he tries to help the people who serve him.

Speaker 25 He's transactional.

Speaker 24 And you know, so much of the first four years of Trump was about this kind of like

Speaker 28 this fundamental grievance that here he was, this fucking guy that always ever wanted is the respect and admiration of the elites.

Speaker 87 Why he calls Maggie Haberman every fucking day and then bashes her on social media, right?

Speaker 68 And he couldn't have it. Why?

Speaker 103 Because we called him illegitimate because he didn't win the popular vote, because of all the interference that went into his winning, the fact that we put an asterisk there because of Comey and all the bullshit and the misogyny and all the rest.

Speaker 62 And he just, it made him a little bit fucking crazy.

Speaker 63 Now, I don't think it takes much to make Donald Trump crazy.

Speaker 85 I think he's crazy out of the packaging, but still

Speaker 68 he won a popular vote.

Speaker 64 He did.

Speaker 87 He did. And

Speaker 35 I can't even convince myself of this.

Speaker 87 Yeah, that's the bargaining. That was bargaining.

Speaker 81 How do I end that?

Speaker 48 Come on, anger.

Speaker 95 All right.

Speaker 35 I'm so mad.

Speaker 10 I'm so mad.

Speaker 28 Tuesday, I was shocked.

Speaker 85 Wednesday, I was sad.

Speaker 87 Today, I am fucking furious.

Speaker 43 And I think we all, I think this is a challenge.

Speaker 64 Watch me be part of the pontificating and priggish Democratic elite that Brett Stevens hates while using stories about jazz-era chess masters.

Speaker 42 Look in the mirror, Bal.

Speaker 11 There's a series of essays that F.

Speaker 100 Scott Fitzgerald wrote called The Crack Up.

Speaker 51 And I love it. And it's dated in all the ways it's dated.

Speaker 87 Caveats, there, done.

Speaker 54 But

Speaker 22 it's really interesting, right?

Speaker 87 Because this is a person who is clearly struggling with mental illness, depression, addiction, but they don't have the words for it.

Speaker 87 And in it, he talks about the kinds of things he would write down on his list.

Speaker 85 And one of them were the times he was snubbed by those who were not his better in character or ability.

Speaker 63 And I think about that all the time, because I do think it's something we all think about, right?

Speaker 91 The time where we're like,

Speaker 85 I mean, honestly, that's dating in Los Angeles.

Speaker 87 But also in that essay, he says a line which is, I think, relatively famous from the essay, which is

Speaker 87 the test of a first-rate intelligence is keeping two contradictory eyes in the mind at the same time and still retaining the ability to function, something like that.

Speaker 83 And I do think we have to keep two ideas in our mind at the same time, which is, I think we shouldn't be in denial, we should face,

Speaker 17 we made our case to the country.

Speaker 87 And Donald Trump won this election.

Speaker 28 They had questions about his character.

Speaker 92 They had concerns about him as a human being.

Speaker 87 They do not like him.

Speaker 103 But a lot of people that do not like him voted for him anyway.

Speaker 87 That, you know, Ron Brownstein wrote a great piece today that

Speaker 87 they chose the uncertainty of a different future from the unacceptability of the present. I'm paraphrasing, but some version of that.
And that is true, and we should be honest about that.

Speaker 53 That happened, right?

Speaker 86 That speaks to something about our inability to reach people.

Speaker 46 That speaks to a disdain for the identity, the brand of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 87 That is real. We need to be honest about that.

Speaker 43 We need to figure that out. At the same time,

Speaker 80 I think it is also okay to feel and think: well, wait a second here.

Speaker 64 Joe Biden

Speaker 104 did what we asked him to do domestically.

Speaker 87 I think there's valid criticism both on policy and politics around

Speaker 28 Gaza and Israel.

Speaker 45 But domestically, Joe Biden for four years did what we asked him to do.

Speaker 87 He came in, he built consensus, and he governed as well as anyone could have under the circumstances.

Speaker 72 In a pandemic, in an economic calamity, he passed the Rescue Plan, he passed the Inflation Reduction Act.

Speaker 54 Someone who was always at the very dead center or center right of the Democratic Party in his old age was curious enough and open enough to listen and bring everybody in.

Speaker 63 And he governed in a progressive way.

Speaker 43 He did what we asked him to do and he delivered.

Speaker 103 And that didn't matter.

Speaker 53 Why? Why?

Speaker 52 Right? It's not enough to just say, well, people were upset about inflation.

Speaker 85 Donald Trump's policies will be worse if your biggest issue is inflation.

Speaker 64 And so people voted based on this issue in a way that is ultimately, I think, counter to what they are hoping to get out of it.

Speaker 87 And so I feel like I have these two competing ideas in my head right now.

Speaker 63 One of which is,

Speaker 42 what do we do,

Speaker 87 to answer for the fact that the American people collectively said we are choosing Donald Trump over what you're offering, while at the same time believing in my bones that if they had the right information, if we had the ability to reach people and get them the information in a way that

Speaker 87 helped them understand the stakes and the actual choice in this election, we would have won.

Speaker 53 And

Speaker 30 yeah,

Speaker 19 and was this about anger? Yes.

Speaker 52 And also.

Speaker 43 Joe Biden.

Speaker 52 I can't tell what I'm madder about with Joe Biden, to be honest.

Speaker 8 Am I more mad about his decision to seek re-election

Speaker 64 in the year and a half leading up to the debate?

Speaker 87 Or am I more angry about the month after the debate that he dithered and prevented us from either having a competitive primary or giving Kamala Harris enough time to actually mount an effective campaign?

Speaker 17 I can't decide which is making me more angry right now, but I I don't have to choose.

Speaker 103 What are the other ones?

Speaker 85 Oh, I'm not doing acceptance.

Speaker 103 I'm not doing it.

Speaker 30 We'll be right back.

Speaker 23 And with that, our journey through ChatGPT's favorite moments from 2024's Love It or Leave It has come to an end.

Speaker 6 In conclusion, we crushed it.

Speaker 11 I'd like to dedicate this best of episode to Maggie Smith, Peanut the Squirrel, and maybe Jimmy Carter by the time this comes out.

Speaker 21 May their memories be a blessing from all of us here at Love It or Leave It.

Speaker 22 Thank you for spending this 10 out of 10, absolutely flawless year with us and have a very happy holidays.

Speaker 63 Take a break, take some time from politics and the news, and we will see you sluts in 2025.

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