Ep 503 - The Male Member (feat. Janus Bifrons)

Speaker 1 Wow, wow, Wes.

Speaker 1 Guys,

Speaker 1 this is a tough time for this country, and honestly, I'm sorry I'm so late to releasing an episode this week.

Speaker 1 But this week was tough for me, man. I had to really ask myself some hard questions.
I said, you know, there's a lot of bad stuff going on.

Speaker 1 That assassination attempt, just

Speaker 1 the country fighting even more, reality just kind of becoming more and more untethered, and people just kind of selecting this and that to be real over other things.

Speaker 1 And I really, I didn't want to talk politics. It's like almost, I guess it's expected to like weigh in on this whole situation.
And I honestly tried. I talked for 45 minutes about the whole thing,

Speaker 1 and it just sucked because my heart wasn't in it.

Speaker 1 Between us, what I really wanted to talk about this week is dicks.

Speaker 1 I wanted to talk dicks, and I was like, is this really the right time?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want to be irreverent towards the American political system, but I'm like,

Speaker 1 who am I to just talk dicks for two hours straight? Like, for real, I'm talking, for real, just dick talking. You'll see what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 But I decided to go with my gut. I said, America needs to know,

Speaker 1 you know, how to increase flaccid length, flaccid girth, obviously erect length and girth, and just kind of getting as hard as you possibly can. What are some of the things we can do for that?

Speaker 1 And so I brought on an expert.

Speaker 1 So what's going on, like, we're going to jump in to a sliver sliver of the thing that I was doing after I got done talking about all the assassination business, which really it was just boring.

Speaker 1 I bored myself while talking about it. I did, I just

Speaker 1 it's not my lane, it's not my thing.

Speaker 1 Um, maybe one day, if you guys are like, I want to see it, maybe I'll put it on Patreon, maybe I'll just fucking

Speaker 1 release it. It sucks, it for real sucks.
Like, I'm not trying to entice anybody, it blows, I, it, it is not good.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 but I did finally get to talking dicks and then brought on an expert to kind of like, you know, ask him some questions, learn. The guy's name is Janice Biffron, and

Speaker 1 he created what's known as Phallogenesis.

Speaker 1 And, dude, this for real might be the most important interview I'll ever do. It's obviously a topic that strikes at the real heart.
You think your political party is a big deal?

Speaker 1 Dude, what if I told you

Speaker 1 you could get

Speaker 1 fatter?

Speaker 1 Like, and you'll see as he explains, like,

Speaker 1 a lot of us could be girth monsters if we just, maybe just kept an open mind and heart to a pretty holistic approach for making your bird the best it could be. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 This is the stuff we need to be talking about as a country. I know we're divided, but let's come together on this issue.

Speaker 1 Let's get harder, bigger birds, dude. All of us for every man.
That's what I'm talking about. Let's jump right in to the thing, and then you'll see.
All right. Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 That all brings me to the real thing I wanted to talk about,

Speaker 1 and that is,

Speaker 1 man, if you're still listening, God bless your little fucking heart. I recently came.
Look, you know, this, now I've, you know, obviously we broke down the political situation.

Speaker 1 I gave you some bad news. Hopefully, you can feel better at, you know, poor poor lady's expense.

Speaker 1 She also, she eventually escapes from the brothel, so don't feel too bad. But

Speaker 1 I figured out how to, and I think, how to increase flaccid size. I really have.
Like, dude, I'm not, I'm not bragging. You know, I'm not one to be like, yeah, dude, my fucking dick's so fucking big.

Speaker 1 I'm teenised up most of the time.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 1 and the weather in Texas here is hot. I think it's absolutely a factor.
My flaccid state has been,

Speaker 1 bro, it's been like for real taking me aback. Even when I'm in the AC in my house, I know, obviously, everyone gets like,

Speaker 1 during the dog days in summer, you do get kind of like, you know, a bit of heat dick, which, you know, everyone's always welcoming.

Speaker 1 But, dude, I've been like, for real, like, going to take a piss and being like, yo, bro. Like, my flaccid state.
And here, this is my theory.

Speaker 1 And this is the only thing that's changed is I'm crushing water, dude. I'm hitting like a gallon a day.

Speaker 1 I'm not bragging. I have the Mountain Valley five-gallon glass container, water coolers.
So stoked.

Speaker 1 But I've been crushing a gallon of water a day.

Speaker 1 And I think

Speaker 1 my theory for flaccid gains, I swear to God, Flaccid gains is a dragon I've been chasing. I don't even care about my boner, dude.
It is what it is. My boner is but a tool for the creation of life.
My

Speaker 1 flaccid state is when I'm more kind of, you know, that's my thing that that's the dragon I'm really chasing. And I've learned if you want to increase your flaccid state, hydration and mindset.

Speaker 1 It's those two things. If you're kind of nervous or squirrely, your dong will shrink up.
You will fucking, if you're like,

Speaker 1 if you can take a deep breath, confidence mode, and you're well hydrated, dude, I swear by this, my flaccid state has been like,

Speaker 1 put it this way, if someone snapped a photo of it, I'd be like, yes, I don't know. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 It's nothing impressive or anything. People are like, holy fuck, but it's absolutely serviceable.

Speaker 1 And honestly, I feel like if the last couple bathroom breaks I've taken, if I had to take that, my lifetime acting goal is to be an extra on HBO and show my penis. So

Speaker 1 if I ever get to do that,

Speaker 1 I have the exact recipe. Obviously, I'm not going to be biggest on the block, but it'll be like if I was on Westworld, like standing around a bunch of robots, and I would be proud.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, that's my dick.

Speaker 1 I'd be proud of it, you know? It is what it is.

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah, that's me. So, and to kind of, I do want to delve into this matter a little further.

Speaker 1 So, I have an expert I'm going to talk to, hopefully, tonight, and I can kind of just splice this right in here about. how to get your dick bigger because, you know,

Speaker 1 if the political world's falling apart and we're all addicted to our phones, we might as well have big-ass dicks.

Speaker 1 I think that's very important. So, hopefully, let's see.
Hopefully, we're pinging him in right now. Come on, come on, brother.
Come on.

Speaker 1 It took a lot to fucking convince this guy because he was weary, but I said, brother, the dudes need to know how to get bigger hogs. He also, he claims that fapping shrinks your dick.

Speaker 1 What do you think about that? It's unwelcome news. Let's hear him out.

Speaker 1 All right, there you go.

Speaker 3 Dude,

Speaker 1 thank you so much for joining. I mean, totally saving the day.
I didn't know know what I was going to do this week.

Speaker 1 See, and I'll tell you, I'll start off before I introduce you, I'm going to tell you how

Speaker 1 we kind of crossed paths. It was really weird.
So,

Speaker 1 and it weirdly enough had to do with that whole mess this week with former President Donald Trump. So, he got that whole thing happened to him, whatever, terrible thing, but

Speaker 1 it kind of, this spilled off of it because I'm sitting there, everyone's just flooding the internet with, you know, hot takes about politics, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And I said, what's nobody talking about about right now?

Speaker 1 I said, You know, I'm going to talk about the fact that every time I drink a gallon of water every day, my flaccid, my flaccid state is just the most remarkable.

Speaker 1 And I was like, Nobody's talking dicks right now.

Speaker 1 So, I'm going to talk, I'm going to talk, I'm going to fill the void, I'm going to court in the market, I'm going to talk dicks when nobody's, everyone's no one's paying attention.

Speaker 1 People are doing other stuff.

Speaker 1 So, I jump in, I start talking dicks online. I'm talking about you know, flaccid state for me, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.
I think it's all hydration and mindset.

Speaker 1 What would you say about that?

Speaker 3 Hydration, mindset, for sure. But the other thing is, which is where my work comes into play, blood vessels, blood vessel growth specifically.

Speaker 1 Whoa. And that's for, okay, so good.
So we'll get into all that stuff. But yeah, it was weird enough.
So I put this tweet out about that specifically.

Speaker 1 And it like hit, I think the subreddit, my brother saw it and he was like, yo, check this out. And he was like, check out.

Speaker 1 And I think you came up somehow through that tweet, you came up in the subreddit as well, what you were doing. He was like, dude, check this out.
And I was like, damn, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 So that's how I came to discover you.

Speaker 1 And it's Janice, Janice Bifrans, correct?

Speaker 3 Janice Bifrons. I was going to ask you about your last name, a last name, too.
Like, what's, how do I say that last name?

Speaker 1 McCusker.

Speaker 3 McCusker?

Speaker 1 Got it. You nailed it.

Speaker 1 So, Janice, introduce yourself. Exactly.
What do you do?

Speaker 1 You were just starting to explain it to me. It sounds fascinating.
So what do you do? And I'm glad you agree about my flaccid size theory because it is, I swear to God, it's hydration. It is mindset.

Speaker 1 If you're walking around here nervous, dude, you're going to shrimp up. Yeah,

Speaker 3 you're going to shrimp up pretty fast. So, um,

Speaker 3 I got my start

Speaker 3 and uh, gee, I guess I'll wind it way the fuck back.

Speaker 3 I got uh fascinated with like blood vessels after I got out of bodybuilding when I was in my very, very

Speaker 3 uh like early childhood, you know, like teens and stuff like that. I had, I had gotten really heavy into the bodybuilding scene,

Speaker 3 blew up on steroids, you know, like got just huge and ended up having a pretty bad episode where I'd grown too fast and my skin came apart and I didn't notice until I got in the shower and I like bled out and smacked my head in like a shower alcove and shit like that.

Speaker 1 Whoa, I stopped you there. How do you do that? Is that that can happen?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. If you, if, if you,

Speaker 3 if you grow too fast from taking steroids, your skin will come apart. Like

Speaker 3 it, you're, you're growing at a, you know, a super physiological rate. Your skin can't keep up depending on your cycle.
Like, bad shit can happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you were fucking jacked.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
I was 276 pounds single-digit body fat. I'm 5'9.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, damn, dude.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was, it was up there.

Speaker 1 and that started the blood vessel. That started your fascination with blood vessels.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, because what basically happened after that is uh, I had to go to the doctors because I ended up getting an infection in that particular skin tear, it was in my groin.

Speaker 3 And my doctor just looked at me and was like, You, you can't keep doing bodybuilding, your skin tears are getting too out of control.

Speaker 3 You keep this up, you're going to end up with like a deep muscle infection. You could be, you know, it could kill you.

Speaker 3 And uh, tried and tried and tried to stay in it, and

Speaker 3 it was just, you know, it's kind of like kind of like for whom the bell tolls kind of thing. I knew it was done, but I love the body, I love the human body, I loved, I loved everything about it.

Speaker 3 And I was like, you know, I don't want this passion for bodybuilding to die just because I can't pursue it the way I want, you know, like, what's a way I can pursue the same thing with bodybuilding, but you know, in a direction that nobody else is thinking about.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 also, I heard about smooth muscles and blood vessels and shit like that, I was like, you know, how the fuck do I grow those? How do I grow that?

Speaker 3 Because, you know, everyone else knows how to grow, you know, skeletal muscle. How do I grow my vascular system?

Speaker 3 And,

Speaker 3 you know, that was

Speaker 3 tail end of my teens. By the time bodybuilding was done and over for me, I was about 18, 19 years old.

Speaker 3 And if you're wondering, yes, I was like taking steroids by the time I was like 14 years old, got it from my mentor and shit.

Speaker 1 So, oh, damn, that's, that's that's pretty young, dude. So, you were like going through puberty on steroids.

Speaker 3 Well, I hit puberty super young, so puberty for me was like 11.

Speaker 3 I, I was like,

Speaker 3 14, yeah,

Speaker 3 the clock shadow kind of shit, you know.

Speaker 1 Damn, oh, yeah, you're no, you're right, 14, I guess, would be, yeah, it's like that whole area, like 11 through 15, 14.

Speaker 1 So, you hit it, and then you just kind of right afterwards smack with some roids.

Speaker 3 Yeah, pretty much. Like, my mentor, he started me on uh anti-estrogens first, just to try to max out my potential, get me, you know, as big as I possibly could.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, he and I sat in his front living room one night and was like, you know, do you really want to do this? And I was like, yeah, I really want to do this.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I prepped my first dose, you know, sat there

Speaker 3 right there. And we went out.
We went out and

Speaker 3 ate in a Chinese buffet. And he was like, you've got one goal, keep up.

Speaker 3 Because like with bodybuilding, the one thing nobody ever tells you is that it's all eating. Like

Speaker 3 you can take all the steroids in the world, but if you cannot put down enough food to actually use what you're putting in your body, that steroid, you're not going to grow as fast. So,

Speaker 3 like, you'll hear a lot of the big guys talk, you know, it's all eating, but that

Speaker 3 is not a particular topic. That's that's a little bit later on, you know.

Speaker 3 We're on the tail, we're on the tail end of all that. We're talking about vascular growth.
So, um,

Speaker 3 yeah.

Speaker 3 Ask me something about that. What are we wanting to do?

Speaker 1 No, this is what, no, I want to get this story. So, you know, the bodybuilding, it's like, I can't do it.
You said, all right, obviously I'm trying to like, you're just about gains.

Speaker 1 You're like, I was going to get as big as possible. I'm not allowed to do that with like my skeletal muscles anymore.

Speaker 1 I might as well apply the same thinking to my, you know, to my D if I'm thinking, if I'm following you, which by the way, by the way, noble quest. This is a very noble quest.
So I'm glad.

Speaker 1 And you started that around 18. I swear to God, dude, 99% of dudes are interested in this topic.
Maybe 1% of dudes will talk about it. And I do applaud you.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. Dude, I can relate to that.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

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Speaker 3 Anytime someone finds out what I do, if they're at a party, the first thing they're going to do is they start making fun of me or ridiculing me and shit like that.

Speaker 3 And I'm always like in the back of my head, like, you're going to be talking to me at the end of the night. I know it.

Speaker 1 I mean, dude,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's one of the, it's such a weak flex to be like, I don't even care about that. It's like, dude, get the fuck out of here, man.
Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 And it's like, dude, it's like you could be a billionaire and you could be like, yo, I figured this out. They'd be like, they would fully set you up with the Tony Stark laboratory.

Speaker 1 Like, dude, do your thing, please.

Speaker 3 Right, right.

Speaker 1 So you say, yeah, dude, no, no shame in the game. I've been talking about this stuff forever.
I'm all about it, dude.

Speaker 1 I think, and it's, so I got into this because of, you know, and I do, I do do a comedy podcast. So I always try to find it.
You know, there was funny aspects of it, obviously.

Speaker 1 But I got into the movement of like dudes who are circumcised.

Speaker 1 And there used to be this company, I don't know if you ever heard of it, called Manhood Canada, where they basically put like a sleeve on you where you can kind of regain your sensitivity.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a fork, it's foreskin restoration.

Speaker 1 Yes. So I kind of like started fucking around with that.
And it is, it just, it kind of fits perfectly for a comedy podcast because it is funny.

Speaker 1 I was walking around with like a, basically like a Velcro sleeve on my dick all day. And it's just, it's delightful.
It's funny to hear about. It's kind of fascinating.
So yeah, so don't at all.

Speaker 1 If people, you know, people want to try to hate, it's like, bro, stay in your lane. And it's like strong guys.

Speaker 1 Like, there's no dude, like, the strongest dude, like, if you're thinking about like MMA, jiu-jitsu, they're not walking around trying to flex. It's always a dude who's not the strongest.

Speaker 1 So if you're walking around being like, I don't even care about this dick, bro, and talk, like you said, it's like, bro, I'll see you later. Guarantee you hit me up in a minute.
So go on.

Speaker 1 So how did you, how did you start to study it? Like, I would have, like, where would you start with this?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 it's a really good question. Um, so I mean, I'm just gonna try what I'm gonna do for you here is I'm just gonna give you as much content as you're willing to get.

Speaker 3 And uh, you can kind of like parse it, snip it, do what you want. So, uh, so here we go.
Um,

Speaker 3 obviously, same thing.

Speaker 3 I'm like, well, I mean, at that point in time, I knew enough about, you know, the body, because I was like, well, I mean, you know, the male member, and that's how I prefer to say to it, because I hate

Speaker 3 the male members. So, what's male member made out of? Well, it's made out of you know, like fascia and smooth muscle.
So, I was like, Well, I mean,

Speaker 3 so if I, if I can't be like the biggest dude in the room, you know, I'm going to be like the biggest dude in the room, you know, as I heard that's kind of what it does, right?

Speaker 1 Let's go, let's go, right?

Speaker 3 Like, if I can't swing hammer, I'm slinging hammer, you know, it's one of those. So, let's do that.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 What else is smooth muscle in your body? What else is

Speaker 3 that? Good question. Uh, basically, all of your blood vessels,

Speaker 3 your bones start out as that, which is something I'll get into later.

Speaker 3 Like, it's, dude, it's a, it's a really,

Speaker 3 I got way more than I bargained for the deeper down this road I got. Like,

Speaker 3 there's, there are certain aspects of it that even now,

Speaker 3 even years down the road, it just blows my mind, just blows my mind. So, so

Speaker 3 I'll get into the start of it and then, and then we'll start to get in the heart of it. And I'm just going to like,

Speaker 1 yeah, do your thing, man. I got plenty of time.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 of course I started out on all of the usual forums like Thunder's Place, PE Gym,

Speaker 3 tried

Speaker 3 matters of size, some of the smaller ones, just trying to learn about exercises in general, just trying to trying to get a beat on it.

Speaker 3 And I did that for pretty much, well, you know,

Speaker 3 kind of the, like I said, kind of like the tail end of my teens, started my early 20s.

Speaker 3 And, you know, on top of that, behind all of this, during the bodybuilding days, I'm just doing everything I can to just learn about the body in general.

Speaker 3 So I'm just kind of adding to it, learning more about smooth muscles, learning more about the sexual organs. And

Speaker 3 what I discovered, and it's, it's painful to say this, it's really painful to say this, like, and you'll understand why it's painful. It all just sucked.

Speaker 3 It was just all so horrible so horribly damaging so horribly fault like flawed poorly thought out

Speaker 3 uh like so like jelking sorry to cut you off like jelking you're saying yeah okay like like

Speaker 3 pretty much all of it and i can and i can give you a breakdown of all that but we'll start with jelking since you're bringing that up so with jelking

Speaker 3 jelking actually has an incredibly rich history So what jelking was originally intended to do was it was a form of mock battle.

Speaker 3 So whenever, whenever a guy is entering a woman, you know, the vagina kind of closes in and it pushes the blood in the cavernoscle bodies, like kind of, kind of, kind of sucks it through the arterial channels that are deep and then pushes it out the venous channel.

Speaker 3 And what will happen a lot of times is whenever a guy's, you know, like really in the throes of it, you know, kind of going to pound town.

Speaker 3 he has a really hard time maintaining an erection because his well i mean they didn't really know this way back when and i'm talking like centuries and centuries and centuries ago.

Speaker 3 You know, they didn't really know that it was a case of, you know, arterial insufficiency. So, what they did is with jelking, so what we know of it today, it's from base to glands,

Speaker 3 but it got misinterpreted because this starts in like way, like way out in like the Middle East, like the Far East and shit. All right.

Speaker 3 It was supposed to be from glands to base. It was supposed to be like a mock battle.
It was supposed to mimic penetration. that's what it was supposed to do, it was supposed to prepare you for that.

Speaker 1 And people are milking themselves like an udder, basically, going the reverse way.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're they're it got and it just got misinterpreted. Now, at the time, whenever I discovered jelking, I did not know any of this.

Speaker 3 So, of course, I'm doing it from you know, base to glands. And what's what's of course happening is uh, I'm getting varicose veins, I'm blowing out my veins.
Damn,

Speaker 3 that's what, and that's what jelking the jelking that we know of today it causes varicose veins. It destroys

Speaker 3 the vascular pathways that basically help support and help the male member work.

Speaker 3 It's, yeah. And so I tried jelking, got a lot of varicose veins from it, got, you know, worsening potency, did not get any size from it.

Speaker 3 Then I was like, okay, so jelking's not that great. Gave that a try.
So let's try stretching. Let's see how that goes.

Speaker 3 Did stretching for a long time and I ended up with what they what I've basically referred to as

Speaker 3 you can almost call it like cap separation. So

Speaker 3 you've got the corporate cavernoscle bodies which are deep and then over top those you've got the tunica albuginea

Speaker 3 and then over top that you've got a

Speaker 3 a layer of veins and then over top of that you've got the bucks fascia and then you've got

Speaker 3 a couple other structures that

Speaker 3 exist then underneath the Coles fascia. So

Speaker 3 basically, whenever you do a pulling exercise, all right, like most pulling exercises, you're taking your hand, you're forming a circle, you're wrapping it around your glands, and then you're pulling up.

Speaker 3 That's what most stretch exercises, stretch stretch devices.

Speaker 3 They're either a suction cup or there's some sort of a compression band that goes right underneath the glands, and it's pulling on that. Well, what that will cause is

Speaker 3 it

Speaker 3 affects the more superficial structures, but it doesn't really affect the deeper structures like the actual cavernous bodies.

Speaker 3 So, what'll happen is that bucks fascia that exists over top that venous layer, which is over top the tunic albuginea, it'll stretch out.

Speaker 3 And so, you start to get this bizarre wiggle at the top of your member to where your glands will actually kind of be slopping about on the top of your

Speaker 3 yes, yes, a lot of guys don't know this, but until I actually take the time to explain this to a lot of guys, they're like, I have no idea what this is.

Speaker 3 You know, they just think, like, oh, you know, my glands are supposed to slip to the left and the right so incredibly easily. But no, that's not the case.

Speaker 3 What's basically happened is, is, is, has, have they,

Speaker 3 have they elongated the tissue technically? Yes, they've elongated the bucks fascia, but when they do that,

Speaker 3 you end up with a hemodynamically, or rather a hydraulically compromised member so if you have separation between the bucks and then that that underlying venous layer and the tunical bugonia you actually have a very difficult time keeping an erection so what you'll see a lot and this is something that'll tie into something i'm sure you've seen uh compression bands you know like cock rings like guys will have to wear cockrings right yeah

Speaker 3 they have to wear a cock ring because

Speaker 3 their member is hydraulically hydraulically compromised. It doesn't work right anymore.
So they have to wear cock rings in order to actually get hard

Speaker 3 because there's that layer separation.

Speaker 1 And is that the only way that can happen from the stretching or can that just be normal wear and tear?

Speaker 3 To some extent,

Speaker 3 that's a really good question. That's a great, great question.
It can actually happen with normal wear and tear.

Speaker 3 That's something that I see with guys that have erectile dysfunction, which is kind of where my work ties in later. So

Speaker 3 from doing jelking, from doing stretching.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so, so from the jelking and the stretching,

Speaker 3 and then I also did pumping, which is again the

Speaker 3 same set of problems. It tends to work the tissue superficially, but not really deep.

Speaker 3 Although there are some ways around that, which is actually something I have up on my Reddit, but I'll explain that later.

Speaker 3 So, I tried, let's see, jelking, stretching, pumping, extending, tried injections. By the way, needles near your dick, that's really scary.

Speaker 1 Was that Botox? Was that like Botox injections?

Speaker 3 Uh, not Botox. I was doing Trimix.
I was getting Trimix from this place called All Day Chemists, which is basically like this fly-by-nerk drug company out in the middle of the sea.

Speaker 1 Just let me stop here. Your ability to take these experiments to the next level is for real commendable.
Like, I tried jelking many moons ago, and I just got scared.

Speaker 1 I was like, bro, I'm not, this is, it like freaked me out. But, like, the fact that you're taking, you went all the way on all these things is admirable

Speaker 1 again it's it honestly is one of the most noble quests so no needles that doesn't work

Speaker 3 yeah well okay so like

Speaker 3 so so the injections the injections actually work really well uh they uh they did they they they were nice the injections were nice uh but at the same time you know oh my god you think you think you've ever been hard in your life dude you

Speaker 3 give it up really injections nice but but they're

Speaker 3 there's there's a real risk of infection. There's a real risk of scar tissue.
There's a real risk of fucking up the dose and having a medically induced priapism that could not go down.

Speaker 3 Dude, you got to look up videos of how they drain a priapism. Like they take this large gauge needle, right?

Speaker 3 And they shove it through your glands and then they penetrate the cavernoscale bodies and then they suck the blood out.

Speaker 3 Sometimes they don't even do that. Sometimes they just take a scalpel and just run it through there and just squirt it out like a pimple.

Speaker 1 Oh my god. Are you serious?

Speaker 3 I'm dead serious. It's you do not want a private.
And that was what scared me. I was like, this is like, I mean, it's okay right now, but when's the day going to come that it's not going to be okay?

Speaker 3 And someone's going to take a scalpel and be like, Bob's your uncle, you know?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah. I didn't know that.
Oh, my God. I didn't know that.
And this, so what's the difference between this stuff and what you're going to call it? Botox.

Speaker 3 Okay. So what Botox will do, Botox will basically cause uh

Speaker 3 it'll basically cause your muscles to be unable to contract

Speaker 3 that they won't work properly which will effectively cause uh it will cause an erection because it interferes with your muscles ability to to contract ah i see i see i see Yeah, so I mean, like, you know, like rich white women, they're like, oh, I've got wrinkles in my face.

Speaker 3 Let me just shove a needle here and, you know, and their muscles, they can't work anymore. There's no wrinkles, you know.
Yeah. Same principle.

Speaker 3 So yeah,

Speaker 3 did the injections. I never went so far as to inject like silicone into there.
Like I've so doing this job, you see some things that are just like way out there.

Speaker 3 I mean, like way, way, way, way so far left field, you'd like, you know,

Speaker 1 silicone intense. Silicone's intense.
It's like a breast implant, basically.

Speaker 3 Pretty much. Okay.
So like what these guys will do is they'll inject silicone into the corporal bodies. And I saw the picture of this one dude.

Speaker 3 It looked like he didn't even have, it didn't even look like a tube anymore. It just looked like a basketball.
He just had a basketball. He had injected so much silicone.

Speaker 3 He couldn't even pee properly.

Speaker 3 He had to shove, he had to shove a sounding rod down his urethra in order to pee because there was so much pressure on his urethra from all the silicone, he just couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 Oh my god.

Speaker 3 It was fetish taking just a whole next level, you know, or like

Speaker 3 other crazy stuff is penile bifurcation. You ever heard about that? It's where they split.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's where a guy literally sits there and takes a razor blade over several months and just splits the chambers apart. Like it looks like something like death flower.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 1 Does it fold out or something? Like, what does it do?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it folds out, like, looks like some, it almost looks like something from like alien versus predatory.

Speaker 1 No, thanks.

Speaker 1 No, thanks.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, that's one of those, like, I'm, I'm glad I know about this, but that's like brain cancer and that keeps me up at night. Did I really need to know this?

Speaker 3 Yeah, so, so weird stuff, but, but anyway, so after I do these injections, I'm like, okay, I can't really keep doing this. So what are some other things that I can try?

Speaker 3 What are some other things that I can do? Again, all-day chemists,

Speaker 3 I started ordering in Viagra and Cialis

Speaker 3 because they were selling it like super cheap. I was like, like $1.50 for the blues and like three for the reds.

Speaker 3 I was like, shut up and take my money, you know, because you walk up to the farm and see them they're like 20 bucks a tab. I was like,

Speaker 3 no.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Right. So, um, so I get, uh,

Speaker 3 I get Viagra and Cialis and I start experimenting with those and they're working out pretty damn well. I mean, not quite as well as the injections, but they're doing great.

Speaker 3 Uh, and then,

Speaker 3 and then it all kind of started falling apart one night. So what a lot of guys do not know about Viagra and Cialis, which which personally, personally, it scares me a lot.

Speaker 3 Because you've got services like HIMS, and I'm not singling out HIMS or, you know, any of those

Speaker 3 kind of

Speaker 3 email prescription bases, you know, because I think there's a genuine need for

Speaker 3 reasonable medication costs, for easy access to certain types of drugs. I'm for that.

Speaker 3 Basically,

Speaker 3 with Viagra specifically, not sialis, sialis is okay, but Viagra specifically, it can cause a form of,

Speaker 3 it can

Speaker 3 N-A-O-I-N.

Speaker 3 I can't remember what that, what that stands for, but basically

Speaker 3 you end up with a form of nerve damage in your eyes.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 3 So what PBE5 inhibitors, the Viagra specifically, what it'll cause is it will cause the pressure inside of your eyes to go down.

Speaker 3 And your eyes actually need a certain level of pressure inside of them in order to oxygenate those cells, to oxygenate your nerve cells.

Speaker 3 So, whenever you're taking Viagra, one of the common side effects guys talk about is blue vision. You ever heard of blue vision?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 You basically end up with blue after images. Now, at the beginning, those blue after images, they're not so bad.
You barely notice them.

Speaker 3 But that's why they're so insidious. That blue showing up is actually your body trying to tell you that your nerves aren't getting enough oxygen, that the nerves in your eyes are actually dying.

Speaker 1 Dude, so you for real, like you know, you literally it starts to look like avatar, everything starts looking blue, yeah.

Speaker 3 Like anytime you like look away from like, well, okay, so okay, so you make a good point though.

Speaker 3 So, basically, like, say you're looking at something and then you look away, you end up with this like super rich, ultra-dark blue afterimage that makes it almost like oh, oh, I see i see what you're saying yeah i know what you mean so you look at a thing you look away and there's still like almost like caught in frame in your eyes the thing you were just looked at but just like blue yeah a very dark blue that's great and it just got and it just proceeded to get worse and worse to the point to where i

Speaker 3 to this day i'm i'm still night blind i have a very hard time seeing at night because of it damn and i and i found out after i stopped it and i flushed all the drugs that it was uh they they first started noticing it over in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 3 I do a lot of business in the United Kingdom for whatever reason. I think maybe it's something in their water.
I think they need to have better

Speaker 3 water treatments.

Speaker 3 Me and a couple of guys actually traced a chemical leakage from one of the factories. Cause I had a bunch of customers along this one river and I was like, this is fucking weird.

Speaker 3 Why is it all along this one river?

Speaker 1 What? In the UK? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 3 It was basically a factory that was not handling their toxic waste properly and they were dumping it into the river and was ending up into the the water supply and it was it was causing some pretty bad vascular side effects that this was like this was like a year and a half into starting the forum that i started kind of tracking this shit i was like this is this is this is kind of weird what the hell's going on here and me and me and some guys in the in that particular area of the country started tracking this shit and we we nailed it down to that

Speaker 1 that's crazy

Speaker 3 yeah like i said i mean i i talked to guys like

Speaker 3 I talk to guys all over the world. The craziest conversation I ever had was on the plains of Mongolia, and this dude was like jumping up and down in his Jeep trying to keep signal on his sat-nap.

Speaker 3 Like, she's like, hold on, wait a minute. You know, sticking his phone higher up in the air.
Like,

Speaker 3 I've had some cool conversations because of this work. I've met so many cool, kind of like you.
I've met so many cool people, you know? So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it is one of those things. It's the same thing.
When people find out what you do, they go, wait, what? And it's like a, it's like a charged subject.

Speaker 1 You know, people either say, oh, you think you're funny or whatever. For you, it's like, oh, yeah, I don't need that.
It's like, all right, bro, bust it out right now. Right, right.

Speaker 1 Put it off the table, Holmes.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 So, so you had, so you, you went, you tried all the different types, all the different things. So, where did that ultimately take you? What did it all culminate in?

Speaker 3 It all culminated in severe erectile dysfunction, severe erectile dysfunction. I, I was, I couldn't get, I couldn't keep it up, period.
End of story.

Speaker 3 Like, I would, you know, I would have, at that particular time in my life, I wished I was a two-pump chump. I couldn't even keep it hard enough to be a two-pump chump.
You know, it was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And how old were you then?

Speaker 3 I was like mid-20s.

Speaker 1 Damn. So, I mean,

Speaker 3 I'm a decently young guy. You know, I shouldn't be having these problems.
And I was like,

Speaker 3 one night, one night, I was just. kind of sitting at my computer and I was like, you know what? I don't even want to try to get big anymore.

Speaker 3 I don't want to try to, I don't want to try to pursue this anymore. I just want to return to what I used to be.

Speaker 3 I just want to be able to get it up enough to be, you know, with a girl so I can be that two-pump chunk. Like, like, you know,

Speaker 3 I don't know how much I can cuss on. Can I cuss on YouTube?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can say whatever you want. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, I was like, fuck all with this size shit. I just want to be able to actually have sex again.
Yeah. So

Speaker 3 that's how I, that's how I started looking into this. I was like, instead of trying to grow the male member, let's just try to figure out how I can get it back to functional.

Speaker 3 So I started studying blood vessels very, very intensely.

Speaker 3 And I mean, I've been studying them intensely for quite a long period of time, but it was the switch in my head from trying to make myself bigger to just making myself functional that seemed to open up all the right doors.

Speaker 1 So you took like a holistic, sorry, you took like a holistic approach rather than like, you know, just like

Speaker 1 i'm going to i'm going to grow this at the expense of everything you took like a holistic that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I took a holistic approach. And one of the first things I'd come across on this lovely, lovely, lovely website

Speaker 3 called Library Genesis. It's like the Library of Alexandria of the internet.
Like any, any book you could possibly think of, it's probably on there, like hundreds of millions of texts.

Speaker 3 But you got to have, you know, a VPN to get to it. But

Speaker 3 I'd come across this book while I was searching on Library Genesis. It was, it had been outdated and out of print for a long ass time.
It was in German. It's called von der Gries

Speaker 3 something or other. I can't remember.
But basically,

Speaker 3 it was about the guy who had discovered the Bayless effect and

Speaker 3 William Maddock Bayliss, I think is his full name. And he was like Sir William, because I think he got knighted or something like that.
Anyway, read his book on the Bayliss effect.

Speaker 3 And it basically talked about how smooth muscles are involuntary. So like,

Speaker 3 so whenever a smooth muscle is suddenly distended, it has these channels on the outside of its cell that will open and close based on distension.

Speaker 3 So say you've got a cell and it goes like this, it suddenly stretches smooth muscle and it suddenly stretches.

Speaker 3 You've got these ion gates on the outside of the cell that will open up and will selectively filter in like things like magnesium and calcium.

Speaker 3 And whenever that calcium calcium comes into contact with these receptors inside of it, it's like this giant electrical storm inside the cell.

Speaker 3 You actually, when you look at it under a microscope and something else, I can't remember the name of it, you see like this, this aura around the cell.

Speaker 3 It's like static electricity from like a blanket or some shit around the cell. And that's the calcium ions like getting sucked in.
And then

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, it's trippy as hell. And

Speaker 3 nitric oxide is involved in the process. like you need nitric oxide to make it work they're they're like uh

Speaker 3 like i've mentioned on youtube smooth muscles are like little living engines they're like little living engines that's they're one of the things that keep you alive they're just little autonomous engines that can stack and work together like legos or something they're they're amazing it's crazy i actually was thinking about it this morning in the shower i'm like the fact that i have who knows how many cells in my body all working harmoniously blows my mind on a pretty daily basis.

Speaker 1 It's like, dude, how are these things all working together? It's crazy.

Speaker 1 So, you're saying it's

Speaker 1 that's nuts. So,

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 various little, like you're saying, chambers or like component that are they like the building blocks of the smooth muscle, these little kind of like you're saying, these little engines that kind of expand based on like some sort of electrical signal, fill in with the appropriate, you know, your calcium, magnesium, blah, blah, blah, nitric oxide.

Speaker 1 I remember NO Explode. I took it a couple of times working out.

Speaker 3 Okay, yeah, um, smooth muscles are basically the building blocks of the vascular system.

Speaker 3 They're one they're they're well, I'd call smooth muscles more like the the structural support of this of the vascular system, but

Speaker 3 we'll we'll tie that in. We'll tie that in later.

Speaker 3 So got done pretty much well digging through that book using Google Translate, which by the way is horrible because you could only do like a page like you could only do like like three quarters of the page and this is like a several hundred page book.

Speaker 3 I you know I basically just I pretty much will, Google translated which chapters I actually wanted to read.

Speaker 3 And then I would sit there and like slowly, begrudgingly work my way through this book, you know, and it's not translating all that great.

Speaker 3 Like Google, Google translates great, but some languages, it's a little

Speaker 3 iffy. Yeah, yeah.
Especially what I like, I like to call it the dark triangle, which is like Cyrillic languages, not so great.

Speaker 3 But so I dug through that book and I was like, okay, I've got a much better idea of what's going on here. Let's let's go on to Google Scholar and see what other stuff we can find.

Speaker 3 And that's when I started learning more about smooth muscles and endothelial cells and how those two relate.

Speaker 3 And then I would go back to library Genesis to try and find some other manuals on that particular topic. And then I pretty much took that as far as I could.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I need to get a hold of much more up-to-date stuff. And

Speaker 3 basically, with the money I was making from, you know, doing odd jobs and stuff like personal training, did that for a while i was pretty much well throwing it at uh

Speaker 3 like research hubs like l cyber and uh github and uh

Speaker 3 l cyber is the only one that's really coming to mind right now that they're expensive but

Speaker 1 they're super those things are super expensive usually schools like subsidize those because they're they're just yeah i actually

Speaker 3 no bullshit i actually went to college just so i could get a hold of their via research manual

Speaker 3 degree in sociology but i mean i went to college just so i get access to the free shadows like the free

Speaker 3 great it's probably cheaper honestly it was it was genuinely cheaper because like a 24 to 48 hour window a renting a 24 to 48 hour window of renting i could set you back like two 300 bucks man so like if you're yeah so if you're like digging into like you know a pretty complicated topic and like the new up-to-date stuff you're

Speaker 3 your your piggy bank might start out you know fat and you know fat and fluffy it ain't gonna stay that way it's gonna look like sad and deflated and you know it's not good that's a beast that's an absolutely beast move

Speaker 3 yeah so so i went to college uh i i had gone pre-med initially but uh some family complications had gotten in the way and that i had to drop out of the pre-med program and was at another college and uh i had ended up having to roll all that into a sociology degree, which at the time I was just like so upset about.

Speaker 3 But, you know, I kept with the self-study, you know, abused the research hubs that they had access to and stuff, and kept the ball rolling.

Speaker 3 And that was when I started learning about a phrase that I'd never really heard before.

Speaker 3 I'd never heard before before this particular time in my life, you know, that switch I was talking about from going from trying to get myself bigger to going to how you mentioned the holistic approach.

Speaker 3 And that was the term arteriogenesis.

Speaker 3 And that's where it all started. Like everything was kind of like a steady climb in terms of my knowledge, but the moment I learned about arteriogenesis, it was just like,

Speaker 3 it was just a rocket.

Speaker 3 So with arteriogenesis,

Speaker 3 it is,

Speaker 3 it got its start in like

Speaker 3 the 1940s, 1950s. And before that, they had like really tenuous amounts of knowledge, like kind of kind of scant knowledge about it with like deer antlers.

Speaker 3 so what some of these like uh burgeoning researchers and scientists would do is they would uh

Speaker 3 they would they pretty much will butcher the heads of these deer these these deer that were still alive they'd like sit in there and go inside their skull and stuff and like like cut off like certain blood vessels and stuff to see if it would affect how their antlers would grow yeah

Speaker 3 and uh you know they'd find like one antler would grow a little bit more than the other and they're like oh okay so like cutting this blood vessel actually causes something, you know, and then they'd come back to that deer, you know, a year later, whenever the antlers had fallen off or something like that and look at it again.

Speaker 3 It's like, oh, hey, those blood vessels have grown back, you know, or it's like these antlers are growing at the same rate again.

Speaker 3 And that was like 1800s, you know, so it really got its start, you know, 1940s, 1950s. And then by the 1960s, they were gaining a lot of traction.

Speaker 3 They were looking for alternative means of therapy for people that were having heart disease. You know,

Speaker 3 how they could get these, you know, these working class people back up to snuff, back up to speed without having to send them to these expensive clinics or having to prescribe them medication, which back then, you know, had all kinds of egregious side effects.

Speaker 3 They needed something better.

Speaker 3 they had pretty much just started putting people on treadmills, you know, like getting, you know, working, doing aerobic exercise and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 And what they were discovering was, was that aerobic exercise was effectively causing blood vessels to grow. And by this point in time, they really didn't know about it.

Speaker 3 They had some ideas about it, but they didn't really know it. 1940s, 1950s, this is a totally new concept that aerobic exercise could cause blood vessels to grow.
And

Speaker 3 there was a schism. There was this great.
great schism that happened in the medical industry around this time around this particular topic. Some researchers were saying, you know,

Speaker 3 it's hypoxia. It's the lack of oxygen tissues that are causing these blood vessels to grow.
And then a much,

Speaker 3 and it was, it was a much smaller voice, a much smaller grouping of researchers that was like, well, hold on. What if it's not hypoxia?

Speaker 3 What if it's actually, what if it's actually blood flow itself that's causing blood vessels to grow? What if it, what if it's... What if it's the change in the rate of blood flow?

Speaker 3 And their hypothesis was that it wasn't hypoxia. it was actually the friction of blood against the vascular walls that was causing this oh jesus all right

Speaker 3 but that's yeah it wasn't making like new capillaries and all that stuff it was just expanding arteries well it was doing both so it was making it was making the existing vascular system larger and it was making the walls thicker but it was also causing capillary beds to form new capillary beds that this

Speaker 3 it was causing tissue growth it was causing actual tissue growth and they were they were so divided on what was causing that well

Speaker 3 come you know

Speaker 3 fast forward you know it's it's modern times it's like you know 2000 you know 2010 plus you know several several decades later you know i'm coming into the scene learning about this and i get to see the this historical you know process play out

Speaker 3 even now even now going on to like you know research hubs you're going to see more stuff about hypoxia causing vascular growth than you will sheer stress, which is what that was, that blood friction, that

Speaker 3 the speed, the rate of blood flow through a channel causes irritation and causes friction against that vascular wall. That's what's known as sheer stress.

Speaker 1 And that's hypoxia. That's hypoxia, you're saying?

Speaker 3 So the friction of blood flow against the vascular wall, that's called shear stress. Okay.

Speaker 3 And whenever you're like exercising super duper hard and you like run out of steam, you know, it's like no matter how much you want to go, it's like you just can't, you can't lift that weight again.

Speaker 3 You, you, you can't run and you know, walk another step, you're like just dead tired. That would be an example of hypoxia.

Speaker 1 Gotcha.

Speaker 3 And blood vessels can grow from hypoxia, which is kind of, which is kind of how that schism happened because they knew they already had research on the topic that hypoxia could cause vascular growth.

Speaker 3 The problem is, is that

Speaker 3 it's a panic reaction. It's more of a panic reaction than

Speaker 3 it is a go-to for vascular growth.

Speaker 3 Whenever oxygen content in a particular area of the body starts to drop,

Speaker 3 the half-lives of certain growth factors go up because they're reacting to oxygen, which makes their half-life go down.

Speaker 3 When you have a low oxygen environment, the half-lives of these growth factors extends quite a bit. Like a great example would be like VEGF.

Speaker 3 If you're exposing VEGF to oxygen, an oxygen-rich environment, healthy tissues, it's got a half-life of like two to three hours. But in a low oxygen environment, it's like eight plus hours.
So

Speaker 3 they were not wrong in their assumptions. They were not, the research they were doing around that time wasn't wrong, but it just wasn't the body's main go-to for causing bad growth.

Speaker 1 It wasn't the best way too, like functionally. It's like, well, if you're like redlining your body for RT

Speaker 3 to grow your arteries and stuff it's probably not the best move right right it's not the best move it's not the body's main go-to sheer stress was but uh

Speaker 3 so anyway with arteriogenesis this this idea of blood friction causing vascular growth you know what is what is involved in that and i'll go ahead and I'll go ahead and break down arteriogenesis as much as I can.

Speaker 3 And then we're going to use that as a stepping stone for kind of what I'm doing now today.

Speaker 3 So whenever you have have someone engaging in an aerobic exercise, you've got blood that is moving through the vascular channels faster than normal.

Speaker 3 Now, the first reaction to your body to this blood friction, to the sheer stress, is an increase in nitric oxide from your endothelial cells. Your endothelial cells have these little hairs.

Speaker 3 It's almost like grass. Like you ever seen like a wide open field and you saw a breeze roll through and you watched the grass like blow and wave?

Speaker 3 Endothelial cells have the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 The endothelial cells line your blood vessels, and off of those endothelial cells are like these, it's like grass almost. It's these little hairy protrusions.

Speaker 3 And whenever they get tilted so much by blood flow going through a channel at a certain rate, it causes an activation of these internal mechanisms inside the endothelial cells that causes them to release nitric oxide, and the vascular channel widens.

Speaker 3 And a lot of guys know this as like, you know, getting the vasopump, getting the muscle pump. You know, it's like, wah, you know, it's like, check out my pump right now.

Speaker 3 You know, that most guys know it as that.

Speaker 3 The other is, you know, say with aerobic exercise, you know, I'm sure you've done some treadmill work and you're like, you're looking down and your veins are really sticking out.

Speaker 3 You know, you're like, man, I feel like, like, I got like a roadmap going on. This feels great.

Speaker 3 Right. So that would be an example of the nitric oxide release.
But now, say,

Speaker 3 say, you up the rate, you up the rate of blood flow even more,

Speaker 3 past a point to where the nitric oxide release isn't enough to really pull back the shear stress on that arterial wall. And

Speaker 3 we're going to start in arteries first here.

Speaker 3 So let's say the blood passing through that arterial channel, you've already released nitric oxide, you've already widened it, but the level of shear stress on those endothelial cells, it's still too great.

Speaker 3 What does the body do then? The endothelial cells then begin to release a growth factor called vascular endothelial growth factor, specifically vascular endothelial growth factor subtype BB.

Speaker 3 Whenever VEGF gets released, it releases from the endothelial cells and it kind of becomes like this cloud in the vascular channel and it causes an increase in dilation, both ascending and descending.

Speaker 3 It causes like this domino ripple effect.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 you get that from basically prolonged aerobic exercise. Like you get the nitric oxide release, say in a general workout, within the first five to 10 minutes.

Speaker 3 But say you continue that aerobic exercise for another 30 to 45 minutes, you know, and you cap out in like a 45 minute session.

Speaker 3 Within the first five to 10 minutes, nitric oxide's already done its work.

Speaker 3 Now your body's beginning to release VEGF to cause not just a greater level of vasodilation, but to also begin to super compensate, just like in bodybuilding, you know, how like if you max out your muscles and you're kind of like breaking them down a little bit, your body's basically setting the stage for super compensation for your blood vessels to grow.

Speaker 3 So that way, if it ever comes across that level of sheer stress again, the blood vessels are wider, they're thicker,

Speaker 3 they can work so much better. So that way you can engage in that level of aerobic exercise again.

Speaker 3 Think about it, you know, think about how humanity would have made it this far if we couldn't, you know, outrun the things that were trying to eat us, like lions and tigers and shit like that.

Speaker 3 Imagine if, you know, like those little wubble moves way back in the jungle is like, oh, you know,

Speaker 3 you know, you're fucked, you're just dead. So your body has to have some way to

Speaker 3 supercompensate, some way to adapt to that kind of a stimulus, that kind of a, you know, potentially life-threatening situation. So it releases b egf subtype bb

Speaker 3 and it's it's just it's in its name vascular endothelial growth factor what it will cause is it will cause your endothelial cells to begin to proliferate to increase in number and what they'll start to do is as they start increasing in number, they start to burrow out into the vascular walls.

Speaker 3 They start to form these little transient micro channels.

Speaker 3 Really trippy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, these, it's like these little fingers that'll kind of grow out into the extracellular matrix.

Speaker 3 It's almost like if you looked at your blood vessel, so blood vessels themselves are kind of like a mesh, they're not really a uniform tube, they're more like a mesh.

Speaker 3 And the endothelial cells will grow through these mesh to form like little hairs that stick out in the extracellular matrix. And they'll begin releasing

Speaker 3 those VEGF further into those little microchannels.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that process,

Speaker 3 say, okay, so

Speaker 3 tying in bodybuilding, tying in experience, right? Bringing it to the forefront here.

Speaker 3 So most people are going to recommend, you know, you're exercising, like, say you go to the gym, you do a workout. You're going to take like anywhere between one to two days rest.

Speaker 3 before you work those muscles again. Well, it's kind of like aerobic exercise a little bit, but that's something you have to do all the time.
So let's say you run super hard in that treadmill.

Speaker 3 You, you know, you, you kind of push yourself pretty good for those 30 to 45 minutes. Well, I mean, what do you got to do? You got to walk out to your car.
You got to walk at work.

Speaker 3 You got to, you know, walk here, walk there. You got to walk around the store to, you know, go get groceries.
You keep,

Speaker 3 you keep your blood flow up, but you lower. the level that you're doing it at.
You're not trying to, you're not trying to like, you know, punch at the ceiling.

Speaker 3 You're just trying to maintain, you know, a steady rate here. So

Speaker 3 you've got your intense workout, and then you've got steady state throughout the day.

Speaker 3 When you combine those two, you're basically helping to maintain those transient channels. And that's why I call it.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 Right. So these endothelial cells will sell out these little hairy fingers into the ECM, the extracellular matrix,

Speaker 3 during these intense bouts of exercise. And then your steady state aerobic exercise throughout the day, basically, you know, working, you know, doing your job, you know,

Speaker 3 walking through the store, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 And then just to stop, this is what, I don't know if you've ever been to orange theory. This is their whole thing.

Speaker 1 It's like you work out your heart rates on a board with all the other people and that you get splat points. Every time you're in, I think 80, 85% of your cardiac output.

Speaker 1 If you're in that zone from 85 to 100, 85 is like orange. If you get the 90, it becomes red.

Speaker 1 But if you do that for 13 minutes of the hour-long workout, they say you get, they just call it like an afterburn effect, where like you're, you burn hundreds of more calories just because you hit that sustained output for third.

Speaker 1 And it sounds like what you're talking about. You get your body to like a red line state.

Speaker 1 Then through your like more steady state activities throughout the day, your body's like you were saying, just trying to maintain all these little connections you just made. Pretty cool.

Speaker 3 Right. Yeah.
Your, your, your metabolic rate goes up because your body, after that intense workout, it's trying to super compensate. It's trying to adapt to what you've done to it.

Speaker 3 So of course your metabolic rate is going to go up and all of this is going to tie in together really, really beautifully. So

Speaker 3 after

Speaker 3 you've made these little hairs, these little feelers, that's not the end of the process. There's an additional step where shit just gets absolutely crazy.

Speaker 3 So once you've got these feelers in place, you go to do your next workout after you've done your steady state, you know, just doing, you know, just living your life.

Speaker 3 When you go to do the subsequent exercise, you know, a day, two days later, and you re-expose your vascular channels and these little feelers to additional shear stress, they start releasing a different growth factor.

Speaker 3 They release what's known as platelet, platelet-derived growth factor, PDGF. Now, PDGF

Speaker 3 is pivotal because it is not a growth factor for endothelial cells, it's a growth factor for smooth muscle cells.

Speaker 1 Whoa,

Speaker 3 and what it will do is it will release PDGF out into these little feelers.

Speaker 3 And smooth muscles, they're like little living engines, but in this particular case, they're also kind of like bloodhounds sniffing out a blood trail. They're like, I smell growth factor.

Speaker 3 I smell the thing that's going to make me bigger. I smell my next meal.
And so these smooth muscles will start kind of wiggling around and they'll start breaking down their

Speaker 3 structural support. So remember how I was saying that smooth muscles are kind of like the structure of a blood vessel?

Speaker 3 So what smooth muscles will do is once they've kind of gotten themselves cemented into a structure, once they've got themselves in place, they'll begin releasing collagen.

Speaker 3 They'll start making these collagenous sheaths around themselves to hold them in place, but also to give the structure that they're in more integrity.

Speaker 3 Well, whenever they start to sense this PDGF, they start to break down that collagen themselves, and then they begin to migrate.

Speaker 3 They begin to migrate from the outer walls of a vascular system towards the channel, towards the internal channel.

Speaker 1 Damn, so that's like more of those deeper structures you're talking about that these other techniques don't really affect.

Speaker 3 Well, like I said, we're getting into that. We'll get into that.
So, so

Speaker 1 you get

Speaker 1 about,

Speaker 1 huh? So, what did you mean by they might, where are they migrating towards?

Speaker 3 Okay, so so, say you've got a tube, right?

Speaker 3 Uh, endothelial cells are existing inside the tube, and then smooth muscles are existing in the wall of the tube.

Speaker 3 So, what the smooth muscles will do is they'll start migrating from the walls of that tube more towards the inside, and they'll get they'll get like right up under these smooth muscles that have migrated, they'll get like right next to those endothelial cells.

Speaker 3 And these endothelial cells that are, you know, in the in the main bulk of the channel, they're just pushing out PDGF in just like waves, just big, big clouds.

Speaker 3 And these smooth muscles are just bathing in this growth factor and they're proliferating, they're increasing in number, they're growing because they're being bathed in these growth factors by endothelial cells.

Speaker 3 And something that we know from studying like

Speaker 3 the cardiovascular system, like people that say that have heart disease, they have this thing called,

Speaker 3 what's that called?

Speaker 3 Can't

Speaker 3 internal internal inward remodeling. So in arteriogenesis, you have outward remodeling.
In heart disease, you have inward remodeling.

Speaker 3 What basically happens is in the case of heart diseases, you have these smooth muscles migrating inward, and it's causing the channel to temporarily narrow.

Speaker 3 It's forming what's known as a neo-entomal layer of smooth muscles just underneath this layer of endothelial cells. Because

Speaker 3 the process of arteriogenesis gets halted because you don't have someone that's engaging in steady state.

Speaker 3 You know, they're living a sedentary life, or they're not engaging irregularly enough in aerobic exercise. So they get inward remodeling because the arteriogenic process is being halted.

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Speaker 3 But let's say it's not halted. Let's say you've got somebody that's actually engaging in steady state.
You've got somebody engaging in regular aerobic exercise.

Speaker 3 Once these smooth muscles start to proliferate, they start to form that neointimal layer.

Speaker 3 Yes, the channel will temporarily narrow, but that's when the true magic starts to happen when you have somebody who has a healthy lifestyle.

Speaker 3 Those channels, remember those feelers I was telling you about, those hairs that poke into the ECM?

Speaker 3 What they start to do is the endothelial cells on the internal part of the channel, they'll begin to ramp down how much PDGF they produce.

Speaker 3 And then the little feelers out here will ramp up how much PDGF they're producing to cause these increased amount of smooth muscles to migrate back out into the walls.

Speaker 3 And then you end up with a channel that begins to widen, but the walls are also thicker. And because you've also maintained those feelers, you have increased capillary bed density as well.

Speaker 3 You have actual factual structural growth growth here.

Speaker 3 You have verifiable growth. You have growth you can actually see,

Speaker 3 you know, when you like look down a microscope, you can see this channel's bigger. You can see the capillary bed density has gone up.
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Speaker 3 coming from the guy who, yeah, so coming from the guy who has erectile dysfunction, I was like, holy fucking shit, how can I apply this?

Speaker 3 Holy shit, how can I, how can I, how can I take advantage of this, this arteriogenesis?

Speaker 3 And I hit a wall. I hit a big ass wall because there's not many books written about the vascular system of the male member.
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Speaker 3 So I had to do,

Speaker 3 there's a lot on like the cosmetic end of things, like, you know, say like soldiers that have had like an IED and they have to put like their, you know, their junk back together.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of surgery manuals, but there's not too many vascular models.

Speaker 3 But I did eventually find some of the knowledge I needed studying surgical manuals and then even more kind of studying the philosophy of sex itself.

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Speaker 3 I kind of became a philosopher of stuff.

Speaker 1 I'd like for you to elaborate on that. Also, is this still while you're in school for sociology?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm doing all this stuff.

Speaker 1 Fucking, that's so wild, dude. And you said, did you just keep all this stuff to yourself? Or are you like, were you talking to people about this stuff? Or like, how did you?

Speaker 3 I'd try. I'd try to talk to guys about it, but it's kind of like you were saying, you know, like, you're like, oh, you know, I don't have that problem.
You know, it's like, I'll see you later.

Speaker 3 You know, it was one of those.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I kind of got encouraged by that along the ways, you know, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, up close in person, like in the big groups, you know, the guys would push back at me, but it would always be at the tail end of the night, you know, say I was at a party, I'd end up chilling with the boys and they'd just ask me about it, you know, like, tell me more about this, you know, you know,

Speaker 3 like relaxed down, you know,

Speaker 3 like, man, I got to hear more about this, you know, and then encouraged me along the way. And

Speaker 3 I took advantage of, of course, you know, things that we have available to us, which is, you know, this anonymous porn hub. You know, I've,

Speaker 3 you know, as any guy i'll tell you you know like you're gonna you're gonna spend so many hours of your life on pornhub it's just gonna happen for sure but instead of me being the guy you know you know holding my junk in my hand doing one of these i'm sitting there with like a pad and paper you know like watching like okay so what's this going what's this doing and uh

Speaker 3 i i started watching videos specifically of like

Speaker 3 I tried to get to the heart of the philosophy of sex in the male member by studying instances where

Speaker 3 procreation was most likely to happen,

Speaker 3 how adaptations could be passed on over time,

Speaker 3 how a structure could form over the centuries, the millennia,

Speaker 3 based on who is actually getting a chance to procreate. And so I started studying females.

Speaker 3 Females are basically the ones that are helping guys

Speaker 3 propagate themselves, making the next generation of males. So I started studying female sexuality, how females move during a sexual encounter when they are pursuing orgasm.

Speaker 3 And so, I just started watching videos, you know, of like, you know, cowgirl, girl on top, type motion, you know, type

Speaker 3 videos. And, and yeah, you know,

Speaker 3 not, you know, it's not, I'm not sitting there with my dick in my hands. I'm sitting there with a notepad and paper in my hands, you know, like, okay, so like, what's going on here?

Speaker 1 This is the most impressive part of this, by the way. The fact that you're able to do that.

Speaker 3 I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean, I was like so tempted to just sit there and you'll beat one out really fast.
But I was like, no, no, no, I gotta stay on top.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. And then, so you were studying, you wanted to see, and why did you study that specifically?

Speaker 3 I wanted to study it because

Speaker 3 there was something inside of me. There was this little voice telling me that that was where the answer lied.
That was where the answer to my problems lied. So

Speaker 3 I started looking at how females moved in these positions where they're the sexual aggressor when they wanted to go towards orgasm because

Speaker 3 without getting too deep into the thicket here, whenever females orgasm,

Speaker 3 there's a greater, a much greater likelihood of procreation actually happening, of the semen actually making it to where it needs to go, get to the egg, baby happens.

Speaker 3 So I was like, how are these females moving?

Speaker 3 And it was like this undulation, the way that they would move whenever they were pursuing orgasm. It was the way that they would tilt their hips, coming down, going up.

Speaker 3 They would tilt back whenever they were squatting down on the guy. And then they would tilt towards the guy, like towards his head, whenever they were rising up.
And I was like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 What are you doing? What kind of like primordial dance are you doing right now? That's like, I know the answer is there. What the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 I was like,

Speaker 3 I got to dig into these research manuals more. I got to figure out what the fuck's going on here.
So I started looking at pelvic anatomy, at the blood vessels in a male's pelvis. And

Speaker 3 what I figured out was that the male member was supplied off the aortic forks that go down into your legs. So you've got the main aortic trunk, right?

Speaker 3 And then you've got these forks that go down into your legs. Well, in the pelvis, you've got these other ones that are called the iliac arteries.
They're like these little offshoots.

Speaker 3 Well, actually, they're pretty large offshoots that feed, you know, the tissue masses in your pelvic girdle. And then off of the iliacs, you've got the internal iliacs.

Speaker 3 Now, the internal iliacs, that's where the story gets interesting because the internal iliacs are the ones that feed the male member. And it's got three branches that come off of it.

Speaker 3 Three of them. And you've got an internal iliac on each fork.
So they're a mirror of each other. So you've got three forks on either side of this iliac.

Speaker 3 You've got the bulbo urethral artery, which feeds your corpora spongiosum. You've got the deep cavernous artery that feeds the main cavernosum.

Speaker 3 And then you've got the third one, which is the deep dorsal artery.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 as you use the methodology to come up with, you can actually see that deep dorsal artery get so fat, it's like ropes on the side of your dick, man. It's just fucking cool.

Speaker 3 like it's it's it's it's like ropes and you can actually use that to track deeper internal growth of the vascular structures but again we we've got to get into the whole hemodynamic thing here like i said i'm pleased i'm gonna give you as much details and stuff you want to work with so um

Speaker 3 so i got looking at like

Speaker 3 what is what are

Speaker 3 so

Speaker 3 We've got females that are engaging in like this primordial dance whenever they're pursuing orgasm. And I know that orgasm, whenever that happens, you've got a much higher chance of procreation.

Speaker 3 So females have been causing male structures, male sexual structures to adapt to this dance over time in order to work.

Speaker 3 Because like, say, that girl, you know, that woman, she's sitting there doing her dance, doing her thing, and your dick's going soft.

Speaker 3 You know, make babies, you know, make babies, you know, procreate, you don't have kids, you know.

Speaker 3 So like the guy, the guys that have these structures in place that kind of match up with this dance those genes are being passed on they're they're being adapted they're growing they're they're improving in their efficiency so i knew that somewhere in my genetics right now through you know however many centuries or millennia of evolution have have adapted to this dance so i was like so so the female is pulling her pelvis towards me like say you know you've got a girl riding on top her pelvis is pulling towards me.

Speaker 3 It's, it's, her vaginal wall is dragging on that spongiosum. Now, where's that blood going? It's getting pushed up into the glands.
Now, where the fuck is it going from there? Where is it going?

Speaker 3 It's going out your deep dorsal vein that rides along the very middle of your sponge, of your cavernoscale chambers. So you've got like the chambers are kind of oval shaped.

Speaker 3 And then in this groove between the two chambers, you've got the deep dorsal vein. So it's going through the spongiosum into the glands, and that's exiting through the deep dorsal vein.

Speaker 3 And I was like, all right, I'm close. I know I'm close to the answer here.
So I was like,

Speaker 3 how can I mimic these motions? How can I mimic this primordial dance I'm seeing women engage in?

Speaker 3 And I just tried to come up with different hand exercises and most of them are failing. until I started coming up with what I've got on my subreddit now, which are the angion methods.

Speaker 3 The first thing I started doing is I started rubbing the deep dorsal vein.

Speaker 3 I started trying to pull blood through that vascular circuit, what I refer to as the bulbodorsal circuit, bulbo urethral arteries feeding up through the spongiosum.

Speaker 3 So bulbodorsal circuit.

Speaker 3 That didn't work out so well. Stimulating just the veins, what I found out is they would collapse.
Because of how they're designed,

Speaker 3 once you try to pull blood through them, they'll just kind of collapse on you. They don't, it didn't work out so well.

Speaker 3 So I was like, well, what about if I try pushing blood up into my glands and then squeezing it and then firing it down the deep dorsal vein? That worked a little bit better.

Speaker 3 That worked a little bit better, but I still wasn't quite encapsulating it.

Speaker 3 And then one night I was like, why don't I just sit here and take my fingers and I'll make like this, you know, undulating circular motion and I'll just continually push blood up into my glands and out that dorsal vein just to stimulate this circuit I've discovered.

Speaker 3 And that was when the the magic started happening. That was, so I had started to see a little bit of potency.
So I was getting like,

Speaker 3 I was getting, I was getting encouraged because I knew I was on the right path, but I could tell it was so inefficient.

Speaker 3 But once I had started rolling my fingers up the spongiosum to push blood up into my glands, that's when my erectile potency just started going and going and going and going.

Speaker 1 And the spongiosum, sorry, let me stop you right there so everyone knows. That's the bottom part.
That's like the

Speaker 3 that's the soft, squishy part that's around your urethra.

Speaker 1 Okay. But if you're like, if this is coming off your body, this would be the spongiosum part, and this would be like the top.
That's like you're looking down at.

Speaker 1 And this is like the underbelly, basically. Okay.
Yep. I knew as soon as you said spongiosum, I'm like, I know exactly what I could just tell.
I knew instinctually what that was.

Speaker 1 So that's you're saying that undulating circular movement sends it up through the glands, the tip,

Speaker 1 then back down through these side veins. And then where does it go from there again?

Speaker 3 It basically goes back into your heart. It goes back to middle.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it's just those three things.

Speaker 1 The bottom part, glands, straight down through the side dorsal veins.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're basically, you're just, you're just stimulating a small portion of your vascular system.

Speaker 3 You're basically causing blood flow to speed up in one particular, you know, area of branches within the vascular system. And your body's just kind of absorbing that, doing its own thing.

Speaker 3 You're basically doing targeted cardio, just targeted cardio. That's really all you're doing here.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But say if you have somebody engaging in aerobic exercise, you know,

Speaker 3 living their best life, you have to remember that if you're exposing your entire body to higher levels of sheer stress and it's releasing clouds of these growth factors into the vascular system itself, you can actually,

Speaker 3 you can basically

Speaker 3 you can cause the process to just explode. You can ramp up the efficiency of these exercises so much more.

Speaker 3 You could think of the Angian methods as a polisher to

Speaker 3 a good aerobic exercising.

Speaker 1 Gotcha.

Speaker 3 All you're doing is

Speaker 3 you're basically taking advantage of all the growth factors that get made throughout your body, throughout your vascular system, through general aerobic exercise, and then you're targeting it.

Speaker 3 Because whenever you cause that shear stress, whenever you cause shear stress through a vascular channel, you're increasing the receptor counts in that given area.

Speaker 3 You're allowing more growth factors to attach to these receptors that have formed, and you're able to speed up the process of the vascular growth within a small portion of the vascular tree.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I started experimenting with what I call the Vasion, Angion Method 3.0,

Speaker 3 and my potency just went through the roof like super physiological woes waking up with morning wood every every single day. I'm chubbed as hell.

Speaker 3 And you were mentioning earlier on how, like, proper hydration, you know, a calm state, and then you wrap it. And that would be an example of a healthy lifestyle.

Speaker 3 You know, you're keeping your stress levels low, you're staying hydrated. That's a healthy lifestyle.
The NGM methods are just an addition to that healthy lifestyle.

Speaker 3 They're a way to make that a little bit more productive for you.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 I'm not just waking up with these great morning woods. I'm staying like heavily chubbed throughout the day.
Like, like, you know, I

Speaker 3 looks like, looks like some fucking little like arm holding goddamn Apple, man. I'm just, I'm fucking chubbed.

Speaker 1 I'm doing great. I'm fire.
Like, I'm like, dude, how happy were you when you figured this? This must have been crazy.

Speaker 3 Oh my God. I was, I was, I was past the moon happy.
I wanted to shout this from the rooftops, which I tried to do on red or on YouTube first. I have a YouTube channel there.

Speaker 3 And then I was like, I got to get this out.

Speaker 3 I've got to get, I've got to let guys know that, you know, you don't got to take an injection, you don't got to take a pill in order to get your potency back. And, and so I started seeing a return.

Speaker 3 I started seeing a return to the potency that I had lost from all of these, you know, terrible PE exercises that I engaged in over time, all these different experiments I put myself through.

Speaker 3 I was like, oh my God, thank God. I finally have my manhood back.
I can finally be that two-pump jump if I want to.

Speaker 1 that's amazing. You went that deep into it.
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I mean, bro, what a few could do that.

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Speaker 3 One of my subscribers calls me the wounded healer.

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Speaker 3 I had to get wounded first to figure out how to heal other people, you know?

Speaker 1 It's the hero's journey. You got the heroes.
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Speaker 1 You got the hero's wound and it, and it literally gave you the knowledge to give to the world, which is crazy, dude. So,

Speaker 1 so where are you at now with this? How what do you do? Do you have like a device? Like, what do you how do you, what do you do? And did you patent this thing, by the way?

Speaker 3 Like, what do you uh it's kind of hard to patent it because it's considered to be just a generic peristaltic pump, but uh, I've got

Speaker 3 that big ass thing, got like a mill there, got lathes behind me over here.

Speaker 3 Like, I've got basically a whole, you know, machine shop for like working plastic and stuff so so you're asking like what did i do with that um i i actually got talking about some of the stuff with a good buddy of mine someone who knew about my journey and whatnot and was kind of going through similar struggles and he was like why don't you look up peristaltic pumps man why don't you look up how those work and uh it was like the very first time i'd ever seen like a gif of a peristaltic pump it was that same fucking motion it was the same i was doing with my fingers but they were using rollers instead of fingers I was like, I was like, oh my God, I've got to make this thing.

Speaker 3 I've got to make this. I have to make this.

Speaker 3 But at this point in time in my life, I was a researcher. I wasn't a craftsman.
I fucking sucked at this shit, man.

Speaker 3 The first, the first, the first angio wheel I ever made, it was like this, like, like, it was just shitty as hell, man. Like the, the cast wheels are all wonky.

Speaker 3 The, the pieces of wood I was used were all like bowed and fucked up and shit. But I got to use it and I got to see what it could be.

Speaker 3 Because when I started experimenting with this, rough as it was, poorly crafted as it was, I started seeing my potency go up even more and even more and even more. And I was like,

Speaker 3 I didn't know what to do with it. I just, I,

Speaker 3 as an, I wasn't in an entrepreneurial mindset. I was still in a researcher mindset.
And then this dude, this guy, I will, David, if you're watching this, I am forever going to be thankful for you.

Speaker 3 If you happen to watch this, I'm thankful for you.

Speaker 3 This economist up in Maine who had, you know, quite a bit of money just kind of sitting around looking for something to do with it.

Speaker 3 He was like, he reached out to me through one of the forums I was a part of at the time. And he was like, I will pay you to make this for me.
And I hesitated. I was like,

Speaker 3 I'm not that good of a craftsman, man. I just made this thing.

Speaker 3 I have no experience making things. Like, I don't care.
I want you to make this for me. You give me a figure north of like 150.
I'll pay it right on the spot just like that.

Speaker 3 I was like, I kind of sat on it for a while. I was like,

Speaker 3 you know, I wasn't ever planning on making money on this. I was really big into trying to give it away to the world.

Speaker 3 I was really big on trying, you know, trying to give this answer because I know so many guys out there struggle with erectile dysfunction. I know the side effects of the drugs.
I know the dangers.

Speaker 3 I know the hazards. So I wanted to give guys an alternative, a holistic alternative.
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Speaker 3 there was this part inside of me that was wrestling with trying to monetize on this. I just didn't want to do it.
And he was like, just do it. Make me something.

Speaker 3 So I made him, I made him the second angio wheel I'd ever made and I mailed it to him. And like, he even asked me to like sign it and autograph it and stuff like this.
So I did. Awesome.
And

Speaker 3 life kind of happened around that particular point in time. My mom,

Speaker 3 my mom got really sick around the same time. She got really, really sick.
And

Speaker 3 we were having a really hard time paying medical bills and paying for like gas bills and stuff, just getting her back and forth from the hospital.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I had no other real options. I had graduated college.
I had a bachelor's degree in sociology. The job market, though, is saturated.

Speaker 3 I had bunches of job interviews lined up. They were all falling through.
I was like,

Speaker 3 I got to figure out some way to make money now in order to get her through this rough time in her life.

Speaker 3 And so I started an Etsy and I

Speaker 3 told the fan base I'd already built up on YouTube and Reddit about, you know, hey, I'm going to start selling this device. And

Speaker 3 it just took off like wildfire. The very first sale I ever ran, I made $8,300.

Speaker 3 Awesome. Yeah, just like right there on the spot.
And

Speaker 3 i took the lion's share of that and i used it for my mom's medical bills and to get her to and from her doctor's appointments but what i had left over i started investing into machinery into a proper shop and uh as the money just kept rolling in i just kept trying to invest more and more into it and you kind of mentioned trump you know like stuff that happened i actually made a posting on my subreddit about that not too long ago i got my start under the trump administration because he,

Speaker 3 because of his business policies, because of how strong of a hand he put on

Speaker 3 the economy in general. Food prices went down, gas prices went down, business was booming, especially international trade.
International trade was booming.

Speaker 3 What I discovered was I had an enormous fan base in Europe,

Speaker 3 specifically the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden,

Speaker 3 places places like that. And so a lot of the sales I was seeing were coming from overseas.

Speaker 3 That was a big bulk of the money I'd initially made.

Speaker 3 So I just kind of doubled down and

Speaker 3 I had never really done anything international before. So I had to.

Speaker 3 I had to do a lot of learning with that, but I started selling more and more. I started getting better and better at making sales.
Funny fact on that one, just real quick, just a quick blurb.

Speaker 3 I do a lot of goddamn business with California. I do a lot of business with the porn industry.
Oh my God, I do a lot of business.

Speaker 3 I have not shaken the hand of porn stars, but I have sent more than a few devices to see if you have done that.

Speaker 3 No, no bullshit. That's crazy.
Yeah, I've had some porn stars reach out and be like, bro, you're my man. I was like, all right.

Speaker 3 Because they're doing the drugs too.

Speaker 3 They don't want to sit there and inject shit in their dick so they could do that scene. They just want to go in there like a champion.
Like, all right, man, I can pump this out. You know, I got this.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I a lot of business with the porn industry out in california that was that was the main thing like

Speaker 3 it was international international sales california that was like the bulk of my sales california

Speaker 3 and then the then the rest of the states you know started kind of coming in as my research you know got off the ground as people started word of mouth you know talking about me and stuff and uh

Speaker 3 I had gotten, I just gotten better and better. I started out making devices out of wood.
And

Speaker 3 wood's a great medium. Wood's cheap, but wood warps, wood is prone to cracking, wood is prone to all kinds of structural issues.
So I was like, How can I do it better? And so I started doing plastic.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 sorry, I kind of got my baby girl's

Speaker 3 crib right there because we're storing because we're kind of remodeling upstairs.

Speaker 3 But can you see that big ass white thing in the corner there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 3 So that is

Speaker 3 half of a 500-pound slab of plastic.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 3 Yeah, an eight-foot by four-foot slab of plastic. I will buy plastic, like rod stock and plate in big ass bulk numbers.
And so that way I can offer guys a reasonable rate. Because, like,

Speaker 3 I mean, yeah, I'm a businessman. And yes, I need to make money at the end of the day because I also got a family.
I've got, you know, I've got two kids.

Speaker 3 My wife probably doesn't want me to say this, but I got a third one on the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, damn, dude. Congrats.
That's awesome. Thank you.

Speaker 1 That's amazing, bro. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so I mean,

Speaker 3 I have to make money, but I also want to make sure that I don't price out the average Jones, the people, the working man who wants to come home after a long day's work and be able to make love to his wife.

Speaker 3 You know, I don't want to price them out. So, what I'll do is I'll buy as much in quantity as I possibly can so I can keep my prices low.

Speaker 3 If I were to try to make, so right now I sell an angie wheel for for $254.99, which I know that's still up there, but I'm not able to buy as much of in bulk to get that price lower.

Speaker 3 I'm working on that, but say if I were to try to buy slab on demand, you know, to try to like to get angio wheels out the door faster, I don't, I'd almost double the price.

Speaker 3 I'd price out the average Joe. Right, right.
So

Speaker 3 what I'll do is I'll do a lead time of anywhere between six to eight weeks.

Speaker 3 Like say if a customer places an order, it's going to be mailed to them about six to eight weeks later, because what I'll do is I'll get a run on orders to pay for the materials. Right.

Speaker 3 So that way we can lower the prices for everybody across the board.

Speaker 3 I try to make it as

Speaker 3 in reach of the common man as I possibly can.

Speaker 3 So now here comes the curveball. So here comes the curveball.
I was

Speaker 3 explaining all this stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And looking over the questions that you sent towards me um

Speaker 3 so i'm gaining my potency back i'm coming back to where i was as a man i'm starting to feel confident in myself

Speaker 3 but something else is happening too which i did not expect you know because by this point in time in my life i'd given up trying to get a bigger member you know i'd given up approach i'd given up that pursuit But I'm waking up and I'm like, damn, I'm looking in the mirror and I'm going like, damn.

Speaker 3 You're like,

Speaker 3 and I'm kind of like reaching out and feeling. I was like, man, it must be in my head.
That feels an awful lot thicker than it did a little while ago.

Speaker 3 But I ignored it. I pushed it back.
I was like, no, no way, no way.

Speaker 3 But man, you know, after a while, after I started kind of feeling it was getting all like fat and chubby, I was like, man, I got to start taking like a tape measure of this shit in the ruler.

Speaker 3 And I'm like,

Speaker 3 holy fucking shit,

Speaker 3 my dick is literally getting bigger right now. Holy fucking shit.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 3 So finding the holistic approach, finding out how to heal myself, I inadvertently figured out how to cause penile growth. I inadvertently figured out how to cause what I call phallogenesis.

Speaker 3 Phallogenesis is basically arteriogenesis that's happening within the corporeal bodies, that's happening in the male member itself.

Speaker 3 It's just targeted arteriogenesis.

Speaker 3 Without intending to do that, I had inadvertently discovered how to grow the male member. That was never my pursuit, but that is precisely what happened.

Speaker 1 That's crazy, dude. And it all, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 I mean, it makes sense on a level that's like, you know, you're talking about into like evolutionary history, the...

Speaker 1 leaving the male body, studying the female body, the motion they're making, you know, it all, it all makes sense that there'd be a biological payoff for, you know, a woman to get orgasms, therefore they can have a kid, and there's like this corresponding change.

Speaker 1 Because if you do cardio, there's a corresponding change. If a woman's constantly, you know, fucking her little self on you, and dude, that's like kind of hearsay.

Speaker 1 I've talked to a lot of guys who are like, when you're having sex a lot, it just gets bigger. And I've heard that before, and I think that's true.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, again, like, if it's in your head, you're like, they don't get, you know, this is happening all the time.

Speaker 1 I'm just so, you think like you're the king of the world anyway, but it's like, it's true. I've talked to people about that before, and I'm like, dude, there is something to be said for that.

Speaker 3 Right. And

Speaker 3 it does. It's like, even

Speaker 3 this far along, there's still stuff that just blows my mind. Like,

Speaker 3 I try to stay humble with it as possible because I know where I came from. I came from a guy that wishes he could have been the two-pump chump.
And, you know, now I'm, now I'm hung. You know, I

Speaker 1 crazy.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 not bragging.

Speaker 1 It just is what it is.

Speaker 3 This is humble bragging. You know, I'm like, I'm hitting that back wall now.
Like, me and that back wall, we're tight. You know,

Speaker 3 that's crazy

Speaker 3 and and see at first i was kind of leery to say this because i was like i feel like if i say this i'm going to detract from like the holistic approach i'm going to get guys are going to be like oh you know let's go you know they're they're going to they're they're going to go at it with the wrong spirit they're going to go at it kind of like kind of like you see in gyms to where instead of pursuing it as like, you know, to gain strength and, you know, to say, do your job better.

Speaker 3 Say you're like a manual laborer and, you know, you, you want to to be able to lift like those bags of concrete or soil or, you know, or like just various products for like shelving stuff, you know, like your average stalker at Walmart, you know, instead of going at it from that mindset, you get guys to be like, I'm just trying to get swole as fuck, you know?

Speaker 3 So I was a little leery about that, but then I started getting, you know, from the sales I'm making from these angio wheels, I'm trying to stay in contact with my customers over time.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to build a rapport with my customers. I'm trying to build a long-term relationship with them.
So I'm leaving the door open and be like, hey, you know, if you notice something, let me know.

Speaker 3 If there's something about the device you don't like, tell me about it. Maybe I can sit there and I can improve upon that.
You know,

Speaker 3 I'm trying to leave the communication channels open. And I'm getting these guys that are coming back to me and saying,

Speaker 3 dude, I'm bigger. Like, I'm for real bigger.
I'm sitting there and I'm checking. I'm getting bigger.

Speaker 3 And after enough guys came back to me about this, I was like, I don't advertise the Angio wheel as having that effect like on places like Etsy or something, where I sell, places like YouTube, places like my subreddit, I'll let guys know.

Speaker 3 So, coming back to that questionnaire you sent over,

Speaker 3 I have not figured out a way to parse what kind of growth happens, like whether you're growing in girth, you're growing in length. I haven't figured out how to parse those two.

Speaker 3 The best answer I can give is that the growth appears to occur based on a male's genetics. If they're more predisposed to gaining girth, they're going to gain girth.

Speaker 3 If they're more predisposed to gaining length, they're going to gain length. Now, what I can tell you about the process

Speaker 3 is that growth typically shows up first, then length.

Speaker 3 Now, like again, like I was saying, with genetics, that ratio is going to change a little bit based on your genetics, but on the whole, girth is going to go up first, then length.

Speaker 3 And it's got to be because of

Speaker 3 how the vascular tree is growing, how it's.

Speaker 3 So, whenever this arteriogenesis is happening, whenever smooth muscles are doing that migration i was telling you about it's breaking down collagen it's breaking or it's breaking down fascia fascia is made out of collagen so you know it's causing a remodeling so uh

Speaker 3 i had mentioned this on patreon a while back so like

Speaker 3 what you'll notice as you get into angio well training is that you just get fat like before you actually start to get longer like you just get fat man it feels like you're holding on to like a choat or something And

Speaker 3 it'll actually foreshorten a little bit, which will kind of fuck with you. Like your member will actually get a little bit shorter, but holy fuck, does it get fatter, man? You're just like, oh,

Speaker 3 you just want to sit there and shake that shit in front of a mirror. It'll get really, it'll get like really squatty and fat, you know, but like super chub.

Speaker 3 Like it, you know, you know, it's shorter, but damn, does it look impressive when you're standing in front of that mirror? You're like, oh, all right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 And then as that remodeling process starts to finish up, you'll start to notice that length comes back again.

Speaker 3 And whenever you start checking that ruler, you're actually going to find out that you've actually gone up a little bit.

Speaker 3 You've actually gone up a tick or two after that remodeling process has started to finish, and then it'll restart. It kind of goes through these cycles.

Speaker 3 Sorry, that dip I put in is really ripping.

Speaker 3 You'll get really squatty, but really heavily chubbed. And then as the remodeling process starts to wrap up, you'll start to kind of, you'll stay a little bit thicker.

Speaker 3 Like I said, you're going to gain that growth, but then you'll start to notice a length will increase.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I have spent the past four years, but probably, well, I'd say, honest to God, three years trying to parse that out. And

Speaker 3 so I started with the Angiam methods and Angio Wheel, kind of what we've been talking about now.

Speaker 3 But I really wanted to try and figure out a way to

Speaker 3 enhance that process, to take what I had known a step further, even further than I had already gone before.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 got to hit a wall with that big ass wall.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 I don't know about you, but I'm like a martial arts movie fan, like Bruce Lee, Jet Lee, Jackie Chan, like,

Speaker 3 you know? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I love those. And growing up, you know, I'd always sat there and watched, you know, like, you know, those type of movies like,

Speaker 3 you know, Enter the Dragon, Unleashed with Jetly. That's one of my favorites, you know, Drunken Boxing, Showdown in Little Tokyo with, you know, Jackie Chan.

Speaker 3 So I had this like deep appreciation for martial arts. And

Speaker 3 there's this one move. I can't remember the movie.

Speaker 3 Really wish I wasn't blanking up a movie. This like old martial arts master, this like, this fucking soldier looking dude walks up to him, him, about ready to fuck this old guy, you know, shit up.

Speaker 3 Like, he's about ready to like go to like, this dude is dead.

Speaker 3 Like, you're looking at this big guy approaching this little hobbled old man, and the dude goes to swing, and this old man does like this weird hand gesture, like,

Speaker 3 like walks these motions up his arm. And then the guy goes, oh,

Speaker 3 like, holds his chest for a second,

Speaker 3 and then just falls back and dies.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, what the fuck is that? What is that? You know, what What just happened there? And, you know, I found some loose little articles on the internet, and it was this thing called iron palm.

Speaker 3 It's called iron palm.

Speaker 3 So, what iron palm is,

Speaker 3 is it's a study of martial arts that has to do with fluid displacement.

Speaker 3 It's about using a person's vascular system against them.

Speaker 3 It's about using the flow of blood through a person's body against them. It's about,

Speaker 3 so like an Iron Palm Master,

Speaker 3 like a, if you like an Iron Palm Master, you can't actually defend against them.

Speaker 3 You can't defend against their attacks because what they'll do is they'll get a hand on you and they'll try to get a feel for your heart rate.

Speaker 3 And then they'll sit there and they'll punch your body based on the rhythm of your heartbeat in order to basically fire blood into the central cavity of your body to cause internal organ damage, Jesus, man,

Speaker 1 that's real.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's real. That's real.

Speaker 3 There's a move in martial arts that is actually inspired from Iron Palm. It's called The Touch of Death.

Speaker 3 So basically,

Speaker 3 after an Iron Palm master has sat there and fired enough blood from your limbs into the central masses of your body, your organs are basically bleeding.

Speaker 3 It's basically causing your capillaries to rupture. It's causing blood to pool in your internal cavities.

Speaker 3 What they'll do is they'll kind of put this finishing move to where they're almost like gently set their hand on you to just finish that last bit of compression of firing the blood into your central cavity.

Speaker 3 And they'll pretty much cause organ failure. And it's like, it's like the person just falls over and dies.

Speaker 3 And I don't know if your subscribers would be able to look it up. You'd probably be able to find it.
There was this Iron Paul Master back around like like the World War II era.

Speaker 3 He got called out on a sailor's vessel, you know, like, show us this move, you know, whatever. And they pull out one of these prize stallions that they had on board.
He was like, kill that horse.

Speaker 3 You know, like, let's see this shit. Kill that horse.
And the guy, based on the story, he sets his hand on the flank of this horse.

Speaker 3 which was him feeling the horse's heartbeat, getting a feel for its rhythm.

Speaker 3 And then just as just as he feels the blood flow come up, as he feels the surge, he presses it down really fast.

Speaker 3 And at first, nothing happens, like nothing's going on. And all of a sudden, the horse starts to wheeze really bad.
And then it falls down in its front legs and then it just falls over and dies.

Speaker 3 And whenever they did an autopsy, they found that

Speaker 3 it had a bleed in

Speaker 3 its abdominal cavity. It basically bled out inside of itself.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so I learned about this, and I was like, All right, that's pretty cool. That's a totally cool ass subject.
Don't know what the fuck I'm going to do with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 3 You know, it's like sometimes you'll come across in research. It's like, okay, so I came up with this cool thing.
Now, what the hell do I do with it?

Speaker 3 And I got thinking, I was like, well, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 So, you've got these cavernoscale chambers. And what's interesting,

Speaker 3 so have you ever heard the joke? You ever heard the joke that

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 a man has one more bone in his body than a woman, a woman, except during sex? You ever heard that joke?

Speaker 1 I have heard something about that. I forget exactly.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, obviously, because it's in her body.

Speaker 3 Yeah, gotcha. Right, right.

Speaker 1 I have heard something like that. It always went like heard it in passing.

Speaker 3 The joke is that

Speaker 3 the male member is, you know, a bone. It's your bone.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, funny enough,

Speaker 3 that little joke is actually true it's actually true

Speaker 3 so the male member is actually a bone when we look at primates and we look at you know apes and stuff like that they don't actually have

Speaker 3 uh they don't they don't have sexual organs like us they have a bone they have a penile bone

Speaker 3 and it's been through adaptation

Speaker 3 evolution that the human sexual organs, they're no longer calcifying, but they still have the same structure as a spongy bone.

Speaker 3 The male member, based on the research, based on everything I've studied, the best way to describe it is it is a partially differentiated, non-calcified spongy bone.

Speaker 3 It has all of the same structures as spongy bone, but because it's not calcified, it's able to be subjected to fluid displacement. That's how that's how my research works.

Speaker 3 You're causing fluid displacement, which is causing sheer stress. So I I was like, well,

Speaker 3 that means that if I were to say strike the side of my corporal bodies, I'm causing blood to be pushed out of a set area and I'm causing blood to be pushed into the surrounding corporal chamber into what they call the lacunae.

Speaker 3 Spongy bone has lacunae. It has like interconnected cave-like spaces, which the male member effectively has.

Speaker 3 So I started trying to experiment with how to strike along the sides of the corporate

Speaker 3 to cause deep tissue fluid displacement, which causes deep tissue shear stress. And the end result is basically just like a woody of your dreams, like just insane hardness, insane fullness.

Speaker 3 So I was basically able to add an additional step to my work, but I have not been able to figure out how to mechanically practically apply that yet.

Speaker 3 But what guys can do basically is they can sit there and they can use their thumb, like this portion of the thumb, to bat up against the side of their chambers to cause that fluid displacement.

Speaker 3 And you end up with like a really, really thick vasopump at the end of your sessions. And when you're waking up the next morning, I mean, it's like.

Speaker 1 Jesus. And you're talking both sides, just kind of like

Speaker 3 Well, what you want to do is you want to lay your member in your hand. So you've got a support.
And then you sit there and you just rhythmically tap up and down one side.

Speaker 3 Then you switch hands and you do it to the other. And

Speaker 3 it causes that deep tissue fluid displacement, which causes that sheer stress inside the cavern muscle bodies, which kickstarts arteriogenesis and senses that targeted area, phallogenesis.

Speaker 3 It's an additional step. Now, guys can't just do that exercise.

Speaker 3 It's not standalone like the angien math. It's your angioboo.
It's sort of a polisher to your session to enhance the work that you've done.

Speaker 3 I don't really know an equivalent bodybuilding way of describing that, but basically it's a way to polish out your sessions, make them a bit better.

Speaker 1 It's a foam roller.

Speaker 3 Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it'd be like, it'd be like foam rolling at the end of a session. Yeah, perfect.
And I've been spending a lot of money, a lot of money.

Speaker 3 trying to figure out how to mechanically practically apply that coming up with crazy different designs.

Speaker 3 And yeah, of course, you know, making it easier to make the angio wheel and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 I can't think of, is there any other additional question?

Speaker 1 First of all, I know I rambled a lot. No, that was

Speaker 1 that blew me away. That was beyond.
I mean, again, I didn't know how in-depth all of this was. And like,

Speaker 1 I mean, it was phenomenal, honestly. I'm blown away.
My question that I have is

Speaker 1 with all of this stuff you're saying, all this blood flow, what is masturbation doing? Does it reduce size? Does it not affect? Is it like, what does it do?

Speaker 3 That, oh man,

Speaker 3 I'd forgotten about that one. And that it's a, that's, that's a

Speaker 1 hot topic because we don't want to answer our understanding.

Speaker 3 You might have a lot of problems. No idea.
No idea. The problem is that it's just so sad.
It's so sad.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 what masturbation will eventually cause so and and so like masturbation tends to go hand in hand with porn addiction sure with what they call porn masturbation orgasm, PMO cycling.

Speaker 3 What will happen with that is that the muscles in your groin after being overworked, because like your muscles have to kind of compress ever so slightly to help maintain your erections.

Speaker 3 That's just a natural part of the hemodynamics. So, basically the hydraulics of the male sexual organs.

Speaker 3 Whenever guys, say, beat off the orgasm, what's effectively happened is you've got like this electrical storm that's happened inside your brain. You're getting that feel-good high afterwards.

Speaker 3 You're like, oh,

Speaker 3 you know, like you feel great.

Speaker 3 But neurologically, on a neural level, that feel-good sensation is very loud. Neurologically, it's very loud.
And your body will try to protect itself against that afterwards.

Speaker 3 It will release a set of chemicals and hormones that will pretty much tone down that. It's

Speaker 3 what's what's called the coolidge effect it's um

Speaker 3 oh there's another name for it uh

Speaker 3 i can't think of it but basically you know how if you're orgasm you have such a difficult time getting an erection again for a while right

Speaker 3 so so that's your brain basically trying to tone things down and protect itself

Speaker 3 So what a guy has to do in order to try and get past that protection that their brain has basically put in place to try and, you know, keep keep it from being injured from this intense experience is, of course, they have to watch a video that's even more intense.

Speaker 3 You know, like, I don't know, they could be what they'd have to like watch a video of like some guy's licking some girl's butthole or something like that, just to, you know, just like, like, they got to like step it up an additional level.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 3 And then on top of that, you know, they're not getting quite as much blood flow.

Speaker 3 to their sexual organs as they would before because neurologically your body's trying to ramp that down trying to keep that stimulation from happening again because it's very loud neurologically.

Speaker 3 So, what guys will do is they'll have to tighten down their pelvic floor even more to try and take advantage of that reduced blood flow a little bit so that way they can get hard again.

Speaker 3 And then, of course, they'll beat off orgasm and then they'll just do that over and over again. And what will happen is that the pelvic floor will develop an overuse injury.

Speaker 3 Your muscles, after being overused so often, they'll begin begin to actually get weaker. They'll begin to foreshorten.
They'll get tighter.

Speaker 3 And so you end up with these men that are walking around with chronic pelvic floor pain. But it's even more insidious than that.

Speaker 3 What these muscles will do as they foreshorten is they cause strangulation.

Speaker 3 They cause strangulation on the corporeal bodies themselves.

Speaker 3 Because they're getting smaller and weaker and twitchier, they're basically keeping your cavernoscale bodies from expanding to their full size. They're throttling it.
They're choking down on them.

Speaker 3 And so what will happen over time is that a guy will experience thinning. Their member will get progressively thinner over time as those muscles get smaller and weaker.

Speaker 3 And they also have a harder time developing blood flow.

Speaker 3 From my end of things, what I see is one of the first things that guys begin to notice is that their spongiosum gets less and less full, and then their glands will get very shriveled because

Speaker 3 it's their body choking down.

Speaker 3 The cavern muscle bodies themselves will initially be able to

Speaker 3 protect themselves because there's so much pressure inside there. They don't notice it right away, but the spongiosum, a lot less pressure, it starts to get thinner and thinner.

Speaker 3 The glands start to shrivel, and you end up with like what's basically pencil dick, you know, where guys have shrank themselves from pursuing that orgasm so frequently, causing that damage to their pelvic floor muscles.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 yeah, and on top of that, because those muscles are pressing down so hard, they lose sensitivity. On top of that, it actually causes nerve strangulation to some effect.

Speaker 3 And I've seen it taken so far to where guys have actually caused nerve damage to where

Speaker 3 the angion methods can help restore some nerve function, I've discovered over time. Because it's restoring blood flow, it can resaturate those nerves.

Speaker 3 And interesting fact, vascular endothelial growth factor, VEGF, the thing that endothelial cells produce, it also has an additional effect on nerve cells. It causes nerve cells to grow.

Speaker 3 So, as the vascular channel grows, we do see a restoration of sensitivity. Some guys will actually kind of complain about it.
They'll be like, Man, I've become a two-pump chump.

Speaker 3 You know, I can't laugh anymore because it feels so good.

Speaker 3 I can actually feel more of what's happening here.

Speaker 3 But, yeah, masturbation tends to thin it. And the other thing that happens is curvature.
Curvature is another thing that happens. So

Speaker 3 if you're masturbating with your left hand,

Speaker 3 your fingers are dragging really hard on your right chamber. And that's causing a progressive amount of damage.
That's causing a fiber layer to form.

Speaker 3 And so if someone's masturbating with their left hand, they're going to end up with a rightward lean over time. Their member is going to start leaning to the right.

Speaker 3 and of course with the right hand it's going to be a left hand lean and the other thing that comes in here is that since guys are less sensitive they've got to squeeze harder it's what they call death grip syndrome they've got to really squeeze down in their members super hard to feel anything and and you end up with all kinds of injuries that happen with that too you end up with vascular trauma varicose veins because they've got to sit there and almost do a jelk-like motion just to keep that fullness and and it just it can snowball from there so if you're asking me, can masturbation cause a loss of size, a loss of functionality, can it cause damage?

Speaker 3 The answer is 100% yes. One of the things I tell guys

Speaker 3 whenever they're engaging in this program is, hey, if you want to actually see a benefit in this, if you want to, if you know, not just restoring potency, but if you'd like to see size.

Speaker 3 you can't masturbate in a normal fashion. What I tell guys is, you know, why don't you rely on the hand exercises?

Speaker 3 Why don't you use the hand exercise exercise as a form of masturbation instead of the usual because i found that the usual method of masturbation it tends to cause those effects but these these newer techniques that i've come up with they don't have that same effect they don't they don't have the same ramifications so

Speaker 3 it is a hot topic and it's it's just painful for me to have to talk about it because

Speaker 3 wounded healer again you know i went through all i went through all i remember how that felt and to drop that bomb on guys, it's hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's really hard. And because some of them are so addicted to porn that they, they can't get themselves out of that cycle.
And so they could struggle with it for months, sometimes years.

Speaker 1 It's a very touchy subject because I've tried, I've like tried and I've actually had a lot of success. In Texas, you like can't even really look at porn hub.
You have to use your ID.

Speaker 1 And like, dude, everyone's like to complain. I'm like, this is exactly what I needed.
This is awesome. It does prevent me a lot.

Speaker 1 So I've had a success with like getting off of it a lot, but dude, it's such a supercharged topic. Cause you get some people who are like, don't ever look at it ever in your life.

Speaker 1 And you have some people who are like, oh, what do you, what's the big deal? You know, indulge yourself. There's doctors like, it's good for you.
Do it twice a day and it'll make you calm. Right.

Speaker 1 It'll make you calmer and more relaxed. So it's a hot topic.
I kind of, I can, I mean, look, stuff to think about. It's stuff to think about.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I kind of, I'm, I lean on the side where like, yeah, definitely less is more with that.

Speaker 1 If you're just cranking your, especially when you get to the point, like you're saying, it's a psychological addiction. You're like doing it when you don't even feel like it necessarily.

Speaker 1 It's just like, I just need to do this to fall asleep or whatever. Right.
And that's, yeah, that's, that can be tough stuff. But knowing that it can, I mean, it definitely can make sense.

Speaker 1 Fuck with you.

Speaker 3 And you remember how you were saying how like guys who have a lot of sex, like they're definitely getting bigger. And the reason for that is it's, it's a different form of stimulation.

Speaker 3 So what a lot of guys will do whenever they're masturbating is they do a jelk like motion. They're pulling up.

Speaker 3 They're trying to move blood against the normal, the normal pathways, the normal flow in order to try to maintain that fullness, which is one of the reasons why

Speaker 3 there's not carryover. Like if a guy's having an awful lot of sex, I mean, he might be awfully dead tired by the end of the night, but

Speaker 3 he's not subjecting his sexual organs to the same kind of stimulation as he would to masturbation.

Speaker 3 So what I always tell guys is, you know, like, if you're a horny man, go find a girlfriend go get yourself a girlfriend clean yourself up a little bit go get you someone you know yeah don't don't don't sit there you know wanking it in your hand go find yourself a girl you know

Speaker 3 there's there are plenty of lonely women out there that'll be more than happy to help you if you're willing to help them you know it's true

Speaker 1 it's true another hot topic but yeah man i mean that's brutal reality and then you know if it's like if you if you're you know but i get it i mean all guys again this is another topic if you bring up beating off every dude if someone's gonna be like it's like all right dude you probably do it the most Everyone does it.

Speaker 1 We all do it. It's obviously a crutch for all of us.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. I'm not gonna hear like some kind of a saint saying I don't do it on a look.

Speaker 1 I know you're not. I know you're not.
But again, this is this is an absolute sensitive subject. But it's like, you know, the truth doesn't always come the way we want it.

Speaker 1 If you know, and it's people can push back, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 But it does make sense, especially with what you're saying. Like, it's not, it's not like, you know, it's not the way it was designed.
Obviously, it's a quick fix. But either way, that's a dude.

Speaker 1 That's pretty much all I have. I mean, I just want to thank you.
I think you did phenomenally. Thank you for staying up.
I know you have, you know, little kids, as do I.

Speaker 1 You know, sleep is definitely a precious commodity.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's the only thing that keeps me up, man. Nicotine and caffeine.
I swear if someone cut me open, I just like, I just like, I just spew out C4 and, you know, like Copenhagen. I swear.

Speaker 1 Dude, I saw a grandmom get onto a plane one time and she had a sweatshirt that said, I run on kisses and caffeine. And I was like,

Speaker 1 I always, you know, you like laugh at that, but now I have kids. I'm like, dude, it's so fucking true.

Speaker 3 Oh, I know. As a single guy, like all the bullshit you hear about with family is like, can't relate, can't relate.
And then you have kids, you're like, I get it now. 100%.

Speaker 3 It's a whole mindset, man.

Speaker 1 It really is. Dude, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 I'll link all of your stuff.

Speaker 1 Yet, I'll link it in the description, all that stuff. I think it's fascinating.
I'm obviously going to get one for sure. So I'll definitely, I'll be preaching the gospel and I'll keep people

Speaker 1 preaching the good word of your device. And I'll try it on myself.
I'll, you know,

Speaker 1 It makes sense, dude. I can't think of a,

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm trying to think of like a critical, well, what about, but like, dude, it just makes too much sense, honestly.

Speaker 3 Well, I appreciate that a lot. Look forward to your business.
And thank you again for having me on. I,

Speaker 3 it's, it's, Matt, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's pleasure's all here. You're an absolute certified master.
You're the only one who knows the answer to the question every dude thinks about all the time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's, that's yeah, I, yeah, that's yeah, I know. I think about that daily.
It's man, it's trippy. It's still trippy to me, still trippy.

Speaker 1 Thank you, brother. Is there anything you want to put? Like, there's any do you want to say, like, where your Reddit is or any of this other stuff? Like,

Speaker 3 uh,

Speaker 3 and our Angian method on uh Reddit. And uh, if you're ever on Joe Rogan again, mention me to Joe Rogan.
I think Joe Rogan is an awesome, awesome dude.

Speaker 3 I fell in love with him on Fear Factor, and it's just been a love ever since I found his podcast. I actually saw you on there, I was watching that segment where you guys were talking.

Speaker 3 I can't remember the name of it, but uh, it was you and uh, is it your friend Shane?

Speaker 1 Shane, yeah, Shane Gillis, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you were, you three were like sitting there talking about MMA stuff and whatnot. I was like,

Speaker 3 it looked like a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 He's a blast, he's the man, and dude, uh, you know, who knows? Maybe he'll, maybe his eyes will fall upon this.

Speaker 1 It's definitely, it'll be, uh, I'm really excited to see what people think about it, but dude, thank you so much, and good luck with everything. Good luck, you know, the kids, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 God bless you, dude. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 3 I'm going to get myself to bed. I got an early rise, so you take care.

Speaker 1 Dude, thank you. Me too.
Thank you, bro.

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