Ep 584 - The Buzz Man (feat. Marcus King)

Speaker 1 The wild wild west.

Speaker 2 Hey, welcome, everybody. Marcus King, what's going on? What's up? You're just telling me about the big mighty band.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got the whole crew coming down for tomorrow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. This should be out tomorrow, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's the

Speaker 1 non-cost-effective group. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The wall of sound.

Speaker 1 Got the horns, BGVs, strings.

Speaker 2 Dang, so you got to move every so you just fly every single person down for sure. I never really thought about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the strings and the BGVs are local. Cool.
But my fiddle fiddle player is coming down from Nashville and my horns are flying in.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. It's going to be fun.

Speaker 2 It's got to feel powerful to know you have a bunch of like,

Speaker 2 what do they call Trump? Not Trump. What is a horn player called? Like a hornist or like

Speaker 1 a hornyist?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do they call it? I guess a trumpeteer?

Speaker 1 We just call them horn players. Horn players.

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 2 Showing my fucking ass already.

Speaker 1 A saxophonist.

Speaker 2 My thing is knowing if I knew I was like moving brass players through the sky, I would feel pretty powerful about that.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a nice feeling.

Speaker 2 It's awesome.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I thought it was cool.

Speaker 1 It is a nice feeling. No, that's awesome, dude.
I'm fucking stoked for you.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, you just released the album, Darling Blue.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the album's out. It's nice.
Blast on it, man. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was blasting in my house. Good.
Thanks. Yeah, it's awesome, dude.

Speaker 1 Fucking rips. Thank you.

Speaker 2 You might be one of the biggest axe men currently right now.

Speaker 1 Man.

Speaker 2 I mean, who else can shred like you?

Speaker 1 I'm sure there's plenty.

Speaker 2 True. That's true.
There's a lot of. But, you know, I mean, I guess, yeah, there's a lot of quiet guys just kind of noodling in their room, just like myself.

Speaker 1 Dude, Billy, you, you, you and Billy are fucking,

Speaker 1 Billy's really playing some, some wild stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Billy's been studying like almost like classical style.

Speaker 1 With his Scientologist teacher.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Billy takes guitar lessons, and yeah,

Speaker 2 he studies from a Scientologist who kind of like just peppers in a little Scientology every now and again on him.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's the way to do it. Like,

Speaker 1 Chikoria was a Scientologist. Really? And my keyboard player is like a big Chikaria fan.
When he went to go see him, you know, he said he hit him with a little

Speaker 2 dab.

Speaker 1 Just a little dab of Scientology at the end there.

Speaker 1 I'm so scared of Scientology. Thank you, Delron.

Speaker 2 I'm so scared of Scientology.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it freaks me out. Yeah.
I feel like the better you do in this industry, like

Speaker 1 it's kind of looming. Scientology? It's around the corner.

Speaker 2 Yeah, dude. It'd be, I don't know.

Speaker 2 The only thing I would like about it is just kind of making my wife do it with me. Yeah.
It'd be kind of fun. It's like, no, we're scientists.

Speaker 2 She's like willing to go into church now, and I could just completely dash her Christian dreams with

Speaker 2 New World Satanism. So

Speaker 1 that would be pretty nice.

Speaker 2 Dude. Like, what if instead of all this being nice stuff, he just became as successful as possible and forgot all this shit? I mean, I should do that, actually.

Speaker 2 Make her read fucking science fiction from the 1950s.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is what we're into now.

Speaker 1 True.

Speaker 2 Get both my daughters clear.

Speaker 1 Dude, yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, we're going clear.

Speaker 2 Do you know any people? Have you ever been approached with a yes or no?

Speaker 1 No, I've been asked about some other weird shit. Like what?

Speaker 1 I've just been invited to

Speaker 1 get togethers, like out in the Redwoods.

Speaker 1 I'm cool.

Speaker 2 What's a get together? What do you mean?

Speaker 2 Like a naked. You know, Kenny Loggins allegedly played live from the Redwoods to

Speaker 2 a naked crowd.

Speaker 1 To a naked crowd.

Speaker 2 It could just be folklore, but that's what I've heard.

Speaker 1 We call it Kenny Loggins on the road. Like, me and my keyboard player, like, you know, when you're on the road, like, food is

Speaker 1 always kind of sporadic what you're putting in your body.

Speaker 1 And, like, if you're drinking a lot, too. So, like, if we're having like solid dumps, we'll call it, we call those Kenny Loggins.

Speaker 1 But if you're not, then it's called the Messina.

Speaker 1 So, you're either Loggins or Messina on any given day.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I can fly for one day and eat one meal.

Speaker 2 As soon as I hit the road, instant diarrhea. It's every time.
Instant diarrhea. My ass is a mess.
I have baby wipes in my school bag that I always forget about. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I get home and I like go to, I always, I get the check from the comedy club. I give it to my wife.
And every time I open up for the check, I go, fuck, I had baby wipes this whole time.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Could have used those. But Torbus must be crazy.
Just a bunch of bros.

Speaker 1 Bunch of bros. It starts smelling about two days in.

Speaker 1 It's a weird combo of smells. And you can never really track it down to one person.
So it's hard to go to somebody and be like, hey, man, you know, your hygiene is a problem.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because there's 12 bunks. So it's like 12 combinations of odor.

Speaker 2 Just got to walk by each one and kind of.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just kind of the whole collective.

Speaker 2 Have you ever confronted somebody for their hygiene on the bus? I have.

Speaker 1 How does that go? I usually do it in a more of a passive way. I had a keyboard player one time I just bought deodorant for.

Speaker 1 I was just like, hey man, I got you this.

Speaker 1 You just kind of, you know, lightly approach it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a, that's how, yeah, you handled, you handled the keyboard player like a teenage daughter, kind of.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's why I got you some deodorant.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's so beautiful, but

Speaker 2 you might want to, you might want to try that. Starting to funk.

Speaker 2 That's kind of tight.

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Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 how's this run been versus other runs in terms of the tour?

Speaker 2 Do you ever really get back to a city and just realize like maybe how much you've grown as a person since the last time you've been to a place?

Speaker 1 Man, yeah. This tour has been especially like that.
We can really feel it.

Speaker 1 And like, this half of the year has been mostly like we were talking about, like our B markets, like tertiary markets, to use an industry term.

Speaker 2 Tertiary is nice. I never heard that one.

Speaker 1 Tertiary markets.

Speaker 2 Tertiary is B minus.

Speaker 1 I guess.

Speaker 2 Tertiary is so nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Marcus, we're going to put you on. We're going to be doing mostly tertiary markets.
So, you know, it's not going to be cost effective for us to do it this way, but we can do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I just kind of give you the whole rigmarole. Yeah.
But

Speaker 1 it's interesting because we haven't really done it like this before. We kind of already had a tour planned, and then we moved the record release up.

Speaker 1 So the first leg of the album release tour ended up being only tertiary markets, which is kind of nice because it gives us like six to nine months to

Speaker 1 build the rollout for like our A-plus markets within the same window of release,

Speaker 1 which is kind of cool.

Speaker 2 That makes sense. And when you say build it, what do you mean by build it up?

Speaker 1 Just more time to promote the shows. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That makes sense. I thought you said work on the, I guess you already have the album done because that's, yeah, that's kind of unfortunately in the tertiary markets, a lot of figuring it out.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a lot of like, hey, guys, I'm going to figure this out in front of you. Sorry.
I'm going to do a really good show in Chicago.

Speaker 2 Dis voice is getting the colours.

Speaker 1 Chicago's going to be great, man. But

Speaker 1 Madison, Indiana, you're going to get fucked.

Speaker 1 No horn players for you. We're filling some things out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like the no horn players. And a lot of times what I recognize now is like, you know, a lot of dudes bring their wives and their wives are like, where's Briley? Which is my wife.

Speaker 1 Because she sings with us sometimes.

Speaker 1 And she doesn't come out all the time. Gotcha.

Speaker 1 But when she's not there, I've seen some real disappointed lady folks yeah in the crowd no that's true with trucker hats just just waiting for unhappy yeah have you ever thought of just kind of like faking them out yeah just

Speaker 1 outside put on the dress dude

Speaker 2 oh she'll be right back guys hold on a second

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 2 no britney gets my wife gets uh she'll go to shows every now now she'll get like recognized and it's kind of funny to like see that and see like people like brittany what's going on that's awesome yeah it's pretty cool i don't i don't know how she feels about it I think she loves it deep down but she gets kind of like she's freaked out four-time WNBA superstar

Speaker 2 yeah the first three weeks of that were really like she was shell-shocked because she would just she didn't realize neither of us really did how big how like wide that went how far that went she would just like go out to get coffee and be like four people like WNBA yeah dude she'd be like

Speaker 1 that sports crowd is like a whole other thing I know when you tap into that market like those fans are buck wild it's dude it's the I would argue it's like the biggest thing honestly it's like a religion like people feel really like

Speaker 2 you know okay to like fight about that yeah or just kind of like I was just at a birthday party recently and it was you know there's nothing wrong with it the guy was just like gosh he must be like an Eagles fan and it's just so disappointing when you're in a group of dudes somewhere and you go yeah I don't really care I like I

Speaker 2 like support them in spirit but I don't really care to watch it I don't know anything about it and you just watch them go well, fuck, man. I don't know what we're going to talk about now.

Speaker 1 Sorry, brother. That's my whole life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no sports?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, especially like Briley's friends or like any of our small-town friends, like when, like, I'm sure you've been in a situation where you got to meet other husbands and they're like, yeah, man, well, you know, like,

Speaker 1 hurricanes are looking good this year. Yeah.
Or like, whatever the fuck else they're talking about.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I don't really, yeah, I don't really watch sports, man.

Speaker 3 It's a bummer, dude.

Speaker 2 It's a bummer.

Speaker 1 But I try, but that's almost worse when you try to engage, and then they start hitting you with facts that really go over your head. Yeah.
And then you got to say, I'm just bullshitting, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'll try to get, although, too, I feel like in those sports combos, you can be like,

Speaker 2 I'll fake the funk, too. I'll be like, yeah, man.
We won the Super Bowl last year, so you know how that is. And then

Speaker 2 they'll be like, what do you think? What do you think about the big man? And I'm like, damn, I don't know who the fucking big man is.

Speaker 2 And then I'll just show my ass. I'll be like,

Speaker 1 who the the big man is?

Speaker 2 Because they're talking about the team I'm supposed to be a fan of. They're not even from the city.
And I'm like, dude, the big man you speak of.

Speaker 2 Donovan McNabb, perhaps? I don't know. Yeah, it's a bummer.
I've gotten more,

Speaker 2 I've like just gotten more upfront with it, my lack of sports knowledge and interest, but it is like, you know, just disappointing because they're like, damn, dude, we could have like bonded over this.

Speaker 1 I've tried, you know.

Speaker 1 My wife walked in one day and I was watching football and I was like actively trying to engage and watch it. And she just laughed at me.

Speaker 1 She laughed, and she's like, What the hell are you doing? Are you watching football? I was like, I'm trying to,

Speaker 1 and I just really didn't enjoy it.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 if it's on, like, it's cool, but I have to be somewhere with someone else, and it happens to be on, if that makes sense. Then I can watch it.
But, like, to, I would feel insane.

Speaker 2 I think I've tried it too myself. Like, I'm going to sit down and watch the game.
I'm going to be a real guy. And then I sat down.
It's just like, oh, dude, this is so fucking long, dude.

Speaker 2 I wish I could do something else right now. It's so fucking boring.

Speaker 1 We watched the World Series the other night, and that was fun. Our tour manager is from Toronto.
So he had a lot, you know, on the line, and he was very excited.

Speaker 2 And crushed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We all really wanted to see him.

Speaker 1 We wanted to see the Blue Jays lose just because we knew he was going to be insufferable if they won. But man, when they lost, like, it was actually really sad for him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we all immediately felt bad.

Speaker 2 That was a tough one for everybody because people were torn between patriotism and how much everyone hates L.A. Yep.
So a lot of people I talked to are like, fuck the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 I don't want the fucking Dodgers to win. They were just pretty much against their country.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was an interesting thing.

Speaker 2 That's pretty true. Everyone I know is kind of like, fuck the Dodgers.
I'd rather see Canada win.

Speaker 1 Not on our bus.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're rooting Team USA, baby.

Speaker 2 Team USA. I can support that.
I was, again, just spineless like usual. I was like, oh, yeah, I could see Canada winning.
And then, like, the Dodgers started winning. I'm like, oh, that's good too.

Speaker 1 But that's good, too.

Speaker 2 I'd never want to empower Canada. That is true.
I do feel that way as well. No, me neither, man.

Speaker 2 And I feel like being against the Dodgers, as a lot of these guys, these guys are, I think it's kind of anti-Semitic to be against the Dodgers. So I think you guys should really think about that.

Speaker 2 I think your hatred of the Dodgers is really charged by your anti-Semitism.

Speaker 1 Stop Asian hate, man. You got to support the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 Did you do that on purpose? Yeah. That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 saying anti-semite south asian hate is very funny

Speaker 2 master

Speaker 1 i've been i've been to basketball games i've been to like i've been to football games and like hockey games um i like hockey a little bit but like when i'm at the game like at a basketball game i'm like i'm really i'm gonna get into this i'm a basketball guy now and then it just never sticks No, as soon as, well, dude, I like, I think, Nate, you probably did.

Speaker 2 You check stats and shit. Yeah, see, that's where I'm going.
I, like, I can watch. I have friends that are like, I thought the same thing.
I'm going to start watching. I'm going to follow.

Speaker 2 He's like, I just see him like Googling stats from all the players. I'm like, bro, what?

Speaker 1 I always feel like I'm so behind. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's weird.

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Yeah, you just gotta, I really think you can watch Sports Center. I think if you were to like take

Speaker 2 30 minutes a day to watch Sports Center, you can get through. I think it's the point of the show.

Speaker 2 You could get through, you could chat enough where you'd be like, yo, you see that catch? Steelers?

Speaker 2 See that one catch? And let them fill in the blanks. And be like, no, I only saw the clip of the catch.

Speaker 2 Or just get really into sports gambling. Oh, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 That'll help you pay attention.

Speaker 1 And just get really deep into gambling.

Speaker 2 That was the one time I've ever been able to pay attention when I tried to become a bookie in college.

Speaker 2 Actually, no, even then, I didn't watch the games. I did one game, and I'm like, I see the allure.
This is great. And then I was like, all right, I'm going to check my voicemail later and see.

Speaker 2 And people,

Speaker 2 yeah, they took advantage of the fact I wasn't watching because they kept just being like, double down, double down, double down. And eventually I was like, fuck.

Speaker 1 It would hit. I never got into gambling, man.

Speaker 1 I've been pretty much addicted to everything else.

Speaker 2 But gambling. But gambling.
Yeah, that's a good one, though. Gambling is the one that really kind of can get you.
And it's also like...

Speaker 2 I would say it's the lamest addiction. Drugs, it's like, there's kind of like a fucking, it's kind of sick on some level.
Right. It can kill you.
It's very dangerous. Yeah.
Sex,

Speaker 2 kind of sick as well. Hell yeah.
Gambling is just pathetic when you're like, I just thought these guys would win.

Speaker 1 Now everything's ruined.

Speaker 1 My life's ruined.

Speaker 1 It's interesting to be addicted to something that takes like a little bit of skill and like knowledge and like a little bit of planning. True.
Which I guess drug use takes a little planning as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But I was always addicted to things that allowed me to let go of everything and not feel anything.

Speaker 2 Well, apparently,

Speaker 2 the more I've read about it, gambling does do that for some people. For me, it's just I just have anxiety the whole time until I either win and become euphoric or lose and feel like a loser.

Speaker 2 But there's people with gambling who like, it's more so just that time in between like hands or like during the game where they get into a flow state where it's just like.

Speaker 2 It's not even from what I've heard about it, it's like it's not even about winning or losing. It's about you're just kind of like, you're fully on while you don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 And they get addicted to that feeling.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's kind of fucked up but still lame still a lame way to go out it's pretty lame but i think i i think the lamest would be uh i was uh i had a problem with laxatives what yeah and then i realized like a doctor was tell a doctor told me that like it's a form of like bulimia yeah because i i did like when i was like 19 20 like i used to throw up all my meals and stuff.

Speaker 1 Okay. It was a it was a shitty time.
But then like I started taking laxatives, which is like a different form of it, I guess.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would say the better.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say it's a better, it's an improvement.

Speaker 2 How'd you get busted with a lax?

Speaker 1 Dude, I shipped my pants in Japan.

Speaker 1 Damn. I just got completely hammered drunk.
And one sneeze sent me over the edge

Speaker 1 at my drummer's birthday dinner.

Speaker 2 So you were drinking on the lax?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was drinking on the lax. We had gotten to Japan and like,

Speaker 1 you know, we had this great big dinner and I was like,

Speaker 1 I just got completely hammered and like, you know, I was speaking

Speaker 1 the little bit of Japanese I know and just being really loud. Fuck.
And,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, it's just really funny to think of a restaurant full of like old Japanese people being like, you know, they're probably shit talking to Americans. Like, they're so unruly.

Speaker 2 And like, oh, they're fine. And then you stand up and give a speech and shit and dance.

Speaker 1 Just hammered.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was me.

Speaker 2 What'd you you do? How'd you like, how'd you, because it's tough. It's one thing if you shit your pants when you're sober, you're kind of tactical about it.

Speaker 2 When you're drunk, it's like, it's a tough, you're on your back foot for sure.

Speaker 1 I'll say, like, I thought I could save it. You know, I went,

Speaker 1 I went to the bathroom and like, I was like, you know,

Speaker 1 the box of briefs are done for. So they, they went in the garbage.
And then I went back. And I, I mean, we were having dinner at the hotel we were staying in.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, I could have called it a night.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I went back to the dinner, sat down again, and like started drinking more and raging more. And then I shit my pants again.
No.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, all right, there's the first time you just shit your shit your underwear the first time.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Then you finally shat your pants.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, dude. And once that happens, you just gotta, you gotta call it a night.
And

Speaker 1 my boy Kyle walked me back up to the room. And And I was just like,

Speaker 1 you know, when you're drunk, you know, everything's a lot bigger.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I've always been wanting to kind of like get ahead of the story. So I was walking through the lobby, like, hey, how's everybody doing? I shit my pants.

Speaker 1 I was just, but nobody spoke English.

Speaker 1 And I was just yelling in people's faces. But it's probably good that I quit drinking.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would say.

Speaker 2 How long did you drink for?

Speaker 1 Dude, like my whole life, man. I started drinking and smoking when I was like 11.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, it was just like part of the biz for me, but I feel a lot better without it. I still encourage people to get drunk around me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 Because drinking was always this thing to like lower that like

Speaker 1 ambitions. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Plus, you lower theirs. That's actually kind of nice.

Speaker 1 Everybody else does it, and then you're just kind of, you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you look at these drunk idiots. Yeah.
It's kind of nice, actually. Yeah, that's kind of nice.

Speaker 2 So you tell everyone, like, yeah, because that's, I guess, if you don't drink, yeah, I would worry people are, like, not drinking on my account. It's like, yeah, you want people to live their lives.

Speaker 1 That's the worst.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 I would do that. I would, if I know someone sober, I, like, won't drink on purpose.
And I, yeah, it's like an uncomfortable thing.

Speaker 2 But I knew someone before who did that where I was like, all prepared to have, like, a super sober weekend with them, and they just fucking got after it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, shit, all right, this isn't good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it turned out not to be. It's always a good feeling when that tide really turns, though,

Speaker 1 and you do lock in and

Speaker 1 you start drinking.

Speaker 1 That's a fun feeling when you just say, fuck it.

Speaker 1 I did that with Burt Kreischer one time.

Speaker 2 Just got hammered?

Speaker 1 I just got hammered.

Speaker 1 I fell off the wagon

Speaker 1 after a nine-month stint. I fell off the wagon in San Diego, and then I went up and I had the Burt cast the next day, and I was hungover when I got to Burt's house.

Speaker 1 It was the first time he and I had met. So this is a couple years ago.
And when I walked in, we just immediately just

Speaker 1 locked in, you know. Yeah, he was like starting a sober journey.
I was hungover, I was like, I'm hurting. And then we just really got after it.

Speaker 2 And if you, if you watch that, so sick, you knocked him off his wagon.

Speaker 1 We knocked each other off,

Speaker 1 and we were both wading around in the deep end.

Speaker 1 And then the next day, I had to speak at a sober nation event. Oh, how'd that feel? It felt really bad.

Speaker 2 That's so funny.

Speaker 1 So you're at least sober for the sober nation though I was hungover oh and I had to speak at this like panel this discussion about sobriety and music how did you handle that one I just had to be honest that you know yeah fucked up first thing I said was like you know the thing about the wagon is you fall off the wagon you get back on you know

Speaker 1 which was true and I I really I really had to finesse that because

Speaker 1 I felt a little judgment

Speaker 1 yeah I bet my management was

Speaker 1 they were pretty terrified, horrified. They didn't really want me to do it.
And I was like, look, no, I got this.

Speaker 1 Because really, that is the thing about sobriety that I think scares a lot of people about it.

Speaker 1 Like, I think one day of sobriety is just as good as 10 years because you're just as close to fucking it up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 2 Dude, I've been, I mean, it's, you know, obviously not the same. I've been trying to get off of coffee, and that was like, it was fucking impossible.

Speaker 2 Because I can like take your leave drinking, whatever. Coffee was one.
Like, it's so fucking hard. Caffeine in general, it's so hard to get off of that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, like you're saying, the longer I go, the more likely I am to be like, I'm going to have a fucking cup of coffee. Dude, that shit's not a big deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The better.

Speaker 2 And, and again, it's not like drinking, but it's just tough, man. I don't understand how people quit heroin.
I'm like, how?

Speaker 2 It's impossible. Yeah.
I can hardly quit caffeine. I'm like, how do you quit heroin?

Speaker 1 That's one that I never got after. That's good.
I think I'd really like it. Yeah, probably.
Be fucking sick. Yeah.
It'd be fucking awesome, dude.

Speaker 1 I got family members that got into the opiates, and they said it's pretty great. Yeah.
But they also said makes you a little constipated.

Speaker 2 Yes. So I said, you got the cure for that.
Can't do that. You got the cure.

Speaker 1 I do have the cure. I guess I could supplement that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, a lot of people, too. A lot of opiate people got in.
Meth made a big,

Speaker 2 like, it rose in the East Coast pretty hard with following the heroin. Yeah.
So a lot of people I knew who got into the opiates, the meth came around, like late stage opiate addiction.

Speaker 1 That was kind of interesting what's funny about meth is like like my dad he was he's a he's a boomer generation guy so

Speaker 1 like in the 80s meth was uh

Speaker 1 more like casually used yeah you know and

Speaker 1 he would just like casually do meth now like with snorting snorting okay when you start smoking it that's the problem and like i actually have a friend in georgia and her aunt aunt patty she's the shit, and she's like a massive Kid Rock fan.

Speaker 1 She's so awesome. And she has like 15 Instagram accounts and she just like

Speaker 1 because she forgets her password and she just makes it one and she signs everything Aunt Patty or Patty Pooh. But she's like, man, I wake up in the morning to do a line to clean the house.

Speaker 1 It's like recreational.

Speaker 2 As long as you snort it, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 I thought it burned really badly when you snorted it.

Speaker 1 I mean, ketamine burns pretty bad when you snort it.

Speaker 2 What is?

Speaker 1 Ketamine. Okay.

Speaker 2 That burnt pretty bad. I mean, I'm just a giant pussy.
I'm over here talking about quitting caffeine. It's like, yeah, I hear you, Belsari.
I've quit caffeine for four days.

Speaker 1 Dude, I couldn't quit caffeine.

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Speaker 2 Yeah. So when did you like...

Speaker 2 Because I started drinking pretty early.

Speaker 2 It never kind of got away from me. When did it start to like where you're like, this is fully getting away from me?

Speaker 2 Was it like an everyday, all-day thing, or just kind of like when you did drink, it was a disaster?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, I think, too, like it was in combination with like antidepressants and

Speaker 1 benzodiazepines. Oh, boy.
So like in

Speaker 1 combination with those other drugs, and then I just enjoyed drinking. So that's where I really started enjoying like cocaine because

Speaker 1 it just resets.

Speaker 2 It just brings you back, but it's fake.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then you keep drinking.
And then you can do that like two or three times in an evening until you just can't anymore. And then you're like pissing yourself drunk.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then like six or seven in the morning comes around and somebody has to take care of you.

Speaker 1 And you know, I did that for a while. And I think that the thing that really, like meeting my wife was really the thing that motivated me to

Speaker 1 change it up. But even then, like, I thought that I could drink like a gentleman, you know? Yeah.
So I tried to do that for like a while.

Speaker 2 You tried like a different glass and like sort of like,

Speaker 1 I can have a nice glass of whiskey, and then that would always turn into like, you know, 18 beers.

Speaker 1 And I just, you know, I thought I'm happy now I can drink, but it just, there's something deep in me, something deeply rooted that just wants it to go completely off the rails, get tore out the frame.

Speaker 2 That makes sense. So after, yeah, I see what you're saying.
So you pretty much have a couple drinks and the train starts fucking rolling. It's like, all right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, once I break the seal, man, I'm ready to go for like two or three days.

Speaker 2 It's kind of sick, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it was fun.

Speaker 1 That's the other thing, too, is like, I had a good time. Yeah, it was fun.
I had a lot of good times. I had a lot of bad times.
But like, those few bad times were bad enough to,

Speaker 1 you know, outweigh the good times, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, also, too, I feel like there's a thing with aging where it's like, it is fun.

Speaker 2 And then the older you get, you're like, dude, like, I have to either either fully pursue this and become like an old drinker or just like

Speaker 2 stop basically or like really lighten it down. Like, I really,

Speaker 2 I, I don't even like like drinking that much anymore. Like, I, it's, it's like, I obviously do like if you give me three drinks, I'm like, I love this.
Yeah. Put me out in the sunlight on the beach.

Speaker 2 I'm like, this is amazing. But like, just like as a daily or even like a semi-frequent thing, it's just like, dude, after you stop for a while and you start again, you really feel shitty.

Speaker 2 Even after only like three or four drinks, the next day, I'm just like, ugh. Yeah.
feel terrible.

Speaker 1 And like three or four drinks, and knowing I'm going to feel bad. Like, that's just exactly.

Speaker 2 It's kind of forced. You might as well not do it.

Speaker 1 Or I might as well just really do it.

Speaker 2 Dial in, yeah. Yeah.
Getting on and off. It would be nice to hire like a team of people who could really manage getting off and on the wagon to stay with you at every moment, like pull you down.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 As soon as you grab Coke, they're like, smack it out of your hand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or they test it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Test it for you. Calling hookers.
They like, ma'am, he's drunk right now. He can't just hang up.

Speaker 1 Thank you, team.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Like, take your phone from you.

Speaker 2 And then at that point, it wouldn't even be fun.

Speaker 1 I know. Because it is like, like you said about the gambling, it's like the danger element of it.
Yeah. It's like, this guy's got a bag of heat.
It might kill me.

Speaker 1 Or it might be a good night.

Speaker 1 Might have baby laxative in it, which.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a big thing, Coke. A lot of laxative and coke.

Speaker 1 A lot of laxative and coke.

Speaker 2 It's not how you got into the lax, man.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 2 You were chasing the dragon lax with the coke.

Speaker 2 The lax dragon.

Speaker 1 The lax dragon.

Speaker 2 That always made me laugh. The Coke, the baby laxative and Coke was always so funny.
Because I knew guys who shit themselves at work from Coke. They'd be like, ah, the shit at fucking baby laxative.

Speaker 2 And they would go buy more Coke that day.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, bro, slow down.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, that's when it really got off the rails for me.
I had a guy. in Nashville that sold vintage clothing and sold cocaine.
It's hilarious. It was like two of my favorite things.
Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, he was hooking me up with like really pure stuff.

Speaker 1 And that's when it got to where I was like, I would keep a little corner of a bag to get me going the next day if I had meetings or writing sessions and stuff. And that was no good.

Speaker 2 Couldn't even use that like a gentleman?

Speaker 1 No, I couldn't.

Speaker 2 I've talked to people who try to claim Coke Gentleman, and I've yet to see it.

Speaker 1 I've seen it. You've seen Coke gentlemen.
I've seen it go down, and I always thought that I could do it.

Speaker 1 Like, they have like the nice, like, like silver platters with, like, lines, and they're drinking wine and listening to like records and shit. And I was always really into that idea.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It looks very charming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It would always turn into like three, four guys in a bathroom

Speaker 1 huddle around a toilet.

Speaker 2 You see the fucking Chargers game?

Speaker 1 Yeah, talking about sports, snorting coke.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've heard people try to say that. Like, well, actually in like Columbia, they like don't even use coffee.
They just do like a little bit of Coke every morning.

Speaker 2 It's just like, how's that going?

Speaker 1 Really chew on it, yeah.

Speaker 2 The leaves, yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's, it's kind of like, and like in this business, especially like in the arts community, like you recognize like wealthy people, there's like super lowbrow folks like do drugs and smoke cigarettes, and then middle class like kind of boycotts that whole lifestyle.

Speaker 1 And then the upper-esh, they do it too. Oh, yeah.
You know, people are, that was what I was really surprised by was like the amount of people doing casual coke and people smoking sigs

Speaker 2 I still rip sigs but yeah you know yeah I mean the caffeine sig combo is the it's the best yeah it's kind of you can really get by on that honestly that's what that's that's me right now yeah I was a big nicotine caffeine guy before I gave both up four days ago but uh I felt four days man I fell to a little those little things not the pouches the like little they're like a tablet that dissolve oh yeah yeah I would do them but I have such a sensitive system I would have like a coffee and then I sometimes those nicotine tablets would turn on me and it's just like the head rush from too much nicotine too fast is like yeah i am again i'm just being a giant pussy right now but those those zinc give me hiccups do they yeah oh yeah no i almost threw up in front of my family i was walking i was we were at the airport i was with sean and i was just trying to be a bad i just started doing the little nicotine tabs and i'll be honest i felt so cool like when i was doing like you know like when you're a kid you're like sigs are cool i had the nicotine patch and i just something about keeping something in your bottom lip just strikes me as so macho yeah And I was so happy to be like, dude, this is sick.

Speaker 2 I'm with my kids with Sean. So walking through the airport with my thing sticking out of my lip.
And then we got to baggage claim and I was like, and I almost fucking followed it.

Speaker 2 I had to take it out and threw it on the ground.

Speaker 1 I was like, Sean, I'm about to throw the fuck out, dude.

Speaker 2 That's tight. Yeah, I'm a giant bitch.

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Speaker 2 But yeah, there is something to it, though, man. Of like, because I do have that just desire to constantly

Speaker 2 minusculy alter my consciousness. I always want to do something.

Speaker 2 And I've noticed it when I, without like caffeine, now I'm kind of like, I should have one drink before bed.

Speaker 2 Like, Like, there's always some kind of shit that I want to do, like, just even a little bit, the mushroom microdosis. So I've been trying to just like, oh, yeah, which I'm not against him at all.

Speaker 2 But there is something in my head where I'm like, I should get a little bit fucked up today.

Speaker 1 Me and my dad talk about it all the time because my dad's like that. Yeah.
And like, he just, he really, especially like going before playing a show, he's like, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 Because I need something to alter my state of mind before I go and do this. I just want to feel good.
Because because especially he's got like arthritis and like he's like just he's 72, so he's tired.

Speaker 1 He's like, he's aging and he doesn't like it. He wants to feel something.

Speaker 1 So he's like, yeah, you know, I'll have like, maybe I could do like one drink. I'm like, it's probably not a good idea.

Speaker 1 He's like, this guy wanted to give me a Jaeger bomb. You think that would be good? I was like, no.

Speaker 1 I try to get him to do that.

Speaker 2 Who's this guy, by the way? Yeah. Who's this guy being like, hey, 70-year-old, here's a Jaeger bomb.

Speaker 1 man that's what i'm saying like people have like no inhibitions yeah when they're like getting up they want to drag somebody else down 17 year old man it's low-hanging fruit

Speaker 2 leave him with the bomb go bring this guy down with me oh that's crazy yeah my my dad quit drinking when i was probably like fourth or fifth grade and i remember But he, dude, he would drink like 60 ounces of coffee a day, not exaggerating.

Speaker 2 He would drink two 24s and then a 16.

Speaker 2 And I remember asking him, like, dude, like, what's up with him? Because I would like to go to work with him and try to even drink one 24-ounce cup. And I, you know, I'd be fucking spinning out.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, why do you drink so much coffee? And he was like, dude, I quit drinking. You got to abuse something, man.
He's like, you got to. He's held it down like that.
Now he's like slow.

Speaker 2 He had some atrial fibulation, so he chilled. He doesn't do as much coffee, but now it's just like four cigars a day.

Speaker 2 He's just got to get, he's addicted to the buzz. I might be, I'm a bit of a buzz man myself.
I just need, I just want the buzz. I don't want to get super fucked up, but I do need the buzz.

Speaker 1 Bit of a buzzman myself.

Speaker 2 Bit of a buzz Aldrin.

Speaker 1 Was it, I can't remember if it was you or your brother that said

Speaker 1 one of my favorite quotes of all time, I think, was from your dad. It was like, I need you from the neck down.

Speaker 2 That's my dad hit me with that. That's so tight.
Such a dickhead.

Speaker 1 That's a great line, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was working demolition with him, and I was like trying to give.

Speaker 2 Eventually, I went to college. I became a man.
I was still doing demolition with him. I was like, what if we did this? And yeah, he hit me with, I just need you from the neck down today, bud.

Speaker 2 I don't need any thoughts from you. I need you to move those rocks from a to b that's so good

Speaker 1 that's too good

Speaker 2 yeah he killed me yeah

Speaker 2 that was i really loved working with him though because i was so bad at that kind of like i was demolition was okay because it doesn't take as much like it's not carpentry where i gotta like note line stuff up But there is just something really fun because I would always be like, I talked about it in my first special.

Speaker 2 I'd be just like so stoned at work with my dad.

Speaker 2 And we'd be like in like a trench down in like the the ground it's like in like the dirt and i would just like be high like damn this is so sick me and my dad are five feet on the ground right now it's fucking so tight that's awesome it was tight he every chance he got he'd be like bro you got to figure something this is not this kind of work is not for you and i'd be like right on right on right on

Speaker 2 you could tell i was a kind of a space cadet yeah i'm trying to get my dad on like

Speaker 1 like my my pre-show buzz is like I'll smoke a joint. I call it a Carolina Speedball.
That's not bad. Smoke a joint and drink like two Red Bulls.
Woo. Sugar-free Red Bulls.

Speaker 1 And then because like my anxiety, my stage fright, all that, it's like, you're tired. You should go to bed.

Speaker 1 Really? That's what my anxiety does to me. Like, right before I have to do something important, it's like, no, you're actually really tired.
Because it's like a defense mechanism.

Speaker 1 It's a fight or flight kind of thing. So I supplement that with like Red Bull.

Speaker 1 And it's not the best, but again, to your point, you know, I got to abuse something. Yeah.
Well, dude, here's my thing.

Speaker 2 I've tried. I had big dreams of being like cup of coffee, hit the stage kind of guy, panic attack.
You had a panic attack? Oh, big time. I've had like 50 on stage, but

Speaker 2 this was a big one where I was like, oh my God, I was telling me, me and Nate were, this is kind of cracking me up, but slightly unrelated. But last week, we were in Tulsa, and

Speaker 2 one of our friends out there gave us some really nice weed that he had grown. It was fucking phenomenal.
So we did the shows.

Speaker 2 I know enough, because if I get high before I do stand-up, it's just like so many words involved and it's like a nightmare for me to get stoned.

Speaker 2 But we did the we did the shows and we're going to do the meet and greet after the show. So after the second show, we smoked, this guy left his baseball bat of a joint.

Speaker 2 We smoked half of it and we started doing the meet and greet. And

Speaker 2 I was so high that I almost pulled the plug on the meet and greet, which would have been a total disaster to get like seven people in to have like 30 people left and be like, guys, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 I'm too fucking high. I got to get out of here.
Or just to like make up some bullshit.

Speaker 2 Dude, there's pictures. I have a a picture of my phone.
It's, it's, my eyes are crazy.

Speaker 1 Just like,

Speaker 2 but yeah, that was, uh, I was talking to my friend Del Calo. He's like, you should have stopped every single person, shook their hand, and be like, sorry, I'm canceling the meeting greeting.

Speaker 2 I'm too high.

Speaker 1 Oh, John Del Calo? Yeah, yeah. He's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 2 He's so funny. He's actually here.
He's here right now. But yeah, that was,

Speaker 2 yeah, for me, I used to, when I asked you earlier about the, um, go to different cities and you're like, wow, years have passed and I just feel like a different person. I had that in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 The first, one of the first headlining things I did was in Buffalo. Just an absolute nervous wreck of being like, I shouldn't be here.
This is fucked up. I'm going to fuck this up.

Speaker 2 I'm going to ruin it. It was just non-stop.
And then I got there this year and I just felt great. And I was like, damn, I was fucked up.
I didn't realize how fucked I was like three years ago.

Speaker 2 It was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 It's fun when you go to a new city and, you know, you can feel that growth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I was too high on stage the other night, actually.

Speaker 2 You got Toothstoned? In Little Rock.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.
And it was Halloween. so i was dressed like an asshole

Speaker 1 and i was

Speaker 1 too high and i saw a video of myself and i was just looking at my eyes and like but on stage what was happening was like i get so high that i have like this like outer body you know like you know i can kind of see what's happening like and then i'll come back to it and i'm like i'm singing right now that's wild i'm singing i'm yelling at these people dang through a microphone it's crazy do you So is that a good, do you feel good when you go out of body like that?

Speaker 2 No. Okay, I was going to say.
It's not. I've done that during stand-up, and I'm like, I'm glad you enjoy that because I don't like that at all.
I completely leave my body and I'm speaking in my brain.

Speaker 2 I can hear other words in my brain. It's not good.
No, that's why I can't smoke weed to do stand-up. I can, maybe a little bit, but if it's like a...

Speaker 2 like a show where I've sold tickets or anything, it's like, because I would like, when people would happen to me is like, I would, I used to be, I wanted to be one of those guys too, like get blazed and go do stand-up.

Speaker 2 And like people would laugh. And while people were laughing, I would just like almost forget what I was doing.
I'd be like,

Speaker 2 all right, I got to keep talking now. This is weird.
I'm eliciting this like primal response from them. It's just not, it's not good.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about it last night, like

Speaker 1 actually playing a show, like,

Speaker 1 because,

Speaker 1 you know, when I'm playing, I work really hard to try to be as present as possible and try to be in the moment as I can. But sometimes you just can't help but like have outside thoughts that come in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like transcendental meditation. You got to just try to find your

Speaker 1 happy place again.

Speaker 1 But one of my thoughts last night was like how willing I am to believe that somebody would buy a ticket just to come and stand in the front row and laugh at me.

Speaker 2 You know? So that was a, that was, that just crawled into you. That was a brain worm.
You had a brain worm.

Speaker 1 I had a brain worm. Oh,

Speaker 1 RFK, man.

Speaker 1 It slipped in there and it was like, these guys are laughing at you right right now. What? I don't know why it came into my brain, but it got in there and I was like, I just battled that.

Speaker 1 I was like, nah, there's no way they're laughing at me.

Speaker 2 That would be, I would never even think it for a second.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's really weird.

Speaker 2 No, I get it though, dude. Well, I mean, with music, at least with music, it's like people can talk while you're playing.
You're not like expecting them staring ahead silently.

Speaker 2 Stand up. If I see someone even whisper to their friend, I'm like, they hate me.

Speaker 1 It's all over.

Speaker 2 And it's like I'm watching it go down. Or I'll see people's faces, and I'm like, because if someone, if you're playing music and someone's just staring normal, are you like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 Why is that person not smiling or anything? Or you just play?

Speaker 1 I mean, we played a festival the other day. It was like the worst crowd of

Speaker 1 the whole tour. Really?

Speaker 1 We were on like right before Riley Green. And Riley Green has a pretty specific fan base.
And everybody in like the, you know, the VIP pit.

Speaker 1 It's the worst when they have like the VIP pit and then the GA is in the back. Cause like all my people are back there.
Yeah, yeah. Because they're like, we're spitting $30 for a ticket.

Speaker 1 You know, like, we're not headlining. So I get it.
All my people are back there. So I'm trying to keep that in mind, but everybody up here just doesn't give a shit so hard that it's, it's, you know,

Speaker 1 offensive.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 1 People are like leaning on the rail, like texting or like scrolling on Instagram.

Speaker 1 And like, I'm just watching these people just like yawning and just like sitting down and like talking to each other like full volume to talk over what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 Don't piss me off.

Speaker 1 But the ASL lady was like super into it at that festival and that kept me going.

Speaker 2 Oh, you had a sign language lady there. Yeah, she was rocking.
What?

Speaker 2 She was doing your lyrics?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's kind of nice. I never thought about that.

Speaker 1 It's always fun to watch. But we did like a last-minute set list change, and I wanted to go ask her like what she did for that.
Because we added a song to the set that we didn't like brief her about.

Speaker 2 She was able to kind of let it fly?

Speaker 1 Like on the fly, like,

Speaker 1 what is she saying? Like,

Speaker 1 is she saying it like

Speaker 1 after I say it, she says it? Because obviously she can't do it at the same time. Yeah, true.
Because I didn't tell her this song. So, like, is she kind of like bullshitting the folks in the crowd?

Speaker 1 She's like, he's saying this right now, but I actually said it on the last verse.

Speaker 2 I can't get over the thought of just a guy going to one of your shows and in the middle is being like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, and laughing. That'd be crazy.
Yeah, laughing. That'd be crazy.

Speaker 1 It is crazy.

Speaker 1 That's all I want.

Speaker 2 I would love that's what it is.

Speaker 1 It was a nightmare.

Speaker 2 I'm going like, dude, that's my best case scenario. I'm like, this guy's a fucking dumbass and just laughing at me.
So I'm like, perfect.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's funny. Well, I would say I've like

Speaker 2 I talked to people who do music and they're like, I don't know, stand-up's harder. And I don't know.
I've played music before live. And it's like

Speaker 2 getting the instant feedback with stand-up helps big time. But like, that was my big thing.

Speaker 2 You've done a song and you're like, I don't know if they, I'm like, I don't know if people like this or not that like kind of fucked me up

Speaker 1 we try to we try to do our set

Speaker 2 like where there's not any dead space yeah there's no mo no moment for a lull yeah because that's the part where you start to feel any kind of hesitation yeah like how do you battle through that again with stand-up it's like you get laughs or you don't so you're very clear you're like i'm doing great i'm doing bad whatever but yeah with music it was just kind of people just like staring at you talking and listening and then afterwards you get like your smattering of applause applause but it's interesting because you you come around to like

Speaker 1 when you have a when you have a house full of people who all came to see you that's when you get like the real like reciprocation and you can tell you're doing something right but you do have to go through like a number of like stinkers you know yeah and when you have like two or three of those in a row which is which was kind of the case this last week was like two or three in a row where the crowd was just like

Speaker 1 not great. Yeah.
And like, it's nothing to do with them. Like sometimes it could just be like, it's a Thursday night.
Everybody worked all day.

Speaker 1 The show goes to like 11 o'clock. People are tired.
You know, whatever it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you can get in your head about it. But then you finally get to a show where everybody's locked in.
It's a weekend. Everybody's happy to be there.
And they really give you that reciprocation.

Speaker 1 That's what. That's what we're hunting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, true. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 I remember I had

Speaker 2 with with acting, I was always like, well, with acting, like, you just can't tell if you do good or not. Like, stand up, people laugh.
Acting, you just do it, and that's just it.

Speaker 2 And I had that in my head where it was kind of like just me coping. Like, you just never know.
Then I was on a set, and everyone, someone finished their scene, the whole set burst out in applause.

Speaker 1 And I was like, fuck, god damn it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. There is a metric for acting.
I've just never gotten it before.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. That's a tough realization.

Speaker 2 Acting's weird because it's like, you're just like, you do your best and they go, all right, that's good. Move on.
And you're like, What the fuck? Is it good or not?

Speaker 2 They're like, Yeah, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 You're like, Fuck. It's kind of like that in the studio when you're recording.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I guess you do have someone there. It's like, all right, well, we'll mash it together.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, that would make me nervous.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

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Speaker 2 Guys, in terms of shows, I will actually be in Naples, Florida this weekend. Please come out

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Speaker 2 11-8. That's this weekend, Naples, Florida.
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I believe it sold out, but I think I added a early Saturday show.

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Speaker 5 And tonight, the day this comes out, November 4th, come see me, LaMaire, and Sean at Optimal Naucas at Creek in the Cave.

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Speaker 2 We can do the Chappelle show.

Speaker 2 Back to the show.

Speaker 1 Have you?

Speaker 1 I guess you've sent in like

Speaker 1 audition tapes.

Speaker 2 I did one before.

Speaker 1 That's a pretty terrible feeling.

Speaker 2 Oh, it was pretty horrible. I sent one in.

Speaker 1 I sent one in for this Netflix thing.

Speaker 2 Did you? Yeah. I sent one in.
Guess what? I sent one in. I just, my one connection in life, I happened to know the producer of this show.

Speaker 2 No callback.

Speaker 2 I thought I was going to finally get the Nepo baby out. I was like, dude, I know the producer.
Slight little family, you know, a little family action. I was like, here we go.

Speaker 2 I was, I was, I would have taken in a fucking heartbeat. I don't care.
But yeah, no callback. Damn.
NCB. And then I met, I was on a plane with somebody who was working.

Speaker 2 I saw they had like a bag, They were on that show. I should have just pressed her.
I'm like, yo,

Speaker 3 what the fuck?

Speaker 2 What's going on? What the fuck's?

Speaker 1 Do you know who my cousin's uncle is? I'm about to get kicked off this flight.

Speaker 1 You have any idea who my cousin's uncle is?

Speaker 2 Who I've met once?

Speaker 1 I did. I actually got a call back, but I was out of the country.
Oh,

Speaker 1 filming. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Good for you.

Speaker 2 Well, you're doing some acting?

Speaker 1 I thought about it, man.

Speaker 1 They called me because they wanted me to do this part.

Speaker 2 Oh, dude, yeah, you had a, you were, you were, I kind of had a little, but it was like, it was a small part, but still, yeah, mine was minuscule.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No call. NCB.
NCB. Sending the tape, bro.
It feels, although I've gotten better with that, like, the, I've gotten out of my head about a lot of that shit where it's like, just do it, man. Who cares?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Just show your fucking ass.

Speaker 1 I just, like, have you ever seen like

Speaker 1 people's like audition tapes when they like get out there. They're like, here's an audition tape.
It's like they're always so embarrassing It's totally embarrassing.

Speaker 2 So I'm really worried about that There's one of me now floating around fucking stinks and I just yeah, but I again I've just learned to just be like whatever I don't I'm just gonna let it kind of rip and right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, I know I really I don't worry too much about humiliation that much as much as I used to I know man, and I and I don't either.

Speaker 1 I try not to I think honestly like like microdosing helped a lot with that. Yeah.
It helped with my panic attacks.

Speaker 1 Like even now when I get too high, I'm like, just enjoy it because it's going to be over. Just let this be an experience.
True. I just look at my drummer like

Speaker 2 that is the key. If you're too high, you do have to tell a person.
You got to tell somebody. If you don't tell anyone, it gets worse and worse and worse.

Speaker 2 I fucked myself recently on an edible and I like I held it in for the longest time. Then I eventually just told one person instantly.
I feel so much better.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, I quoted you on Halloween. Actually, I got on the mic.
I was like, we're through the worst of it now.

Speaker 2 i really did thought i had acid figured out i'm like guys

Speaker 2 it's three hours in it's 12 hours long we're through the worst of it now

Speaker 1 and i said that to the audience and they're like what what are you talking about

Speaker 2 and i almost broke that fourth wall and told them like i'm gonna be honest with you guys i'm way too high to do this but you can't say that i feel like they would like it they would enjoy it i think so i'll tell them next as long as you're not at the uh sober nation dude but guys I got to be honest, I'm way too fucking high for this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Sober nation, they wouldn't appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that, yeah, weed for me is

Speaker 2 an interesting one.

Speaker 2 That was when I started early.

Speaker 2 At 19 years old, I was like, this is the answer to literally all my problems.

Speaker 2 And then it started just bugging me out in like my mid-20s, late 20s.

Speaker 2 It was like a guaranteed panic attack. And now

Speaker 2 it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 Like, if I start, I've bugged out so many times that I just look at my like watch and I'm like, all right, well, I'm going to bug out now for an hour and then, you know, it'll be over.

Speaker 2 And then that's it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So sometimes I do wonder. I go, why do I even do this? But

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 2 I feel like I need a little bit of THC in my brain.

Speaker 2 When it fully leaves my system, I can feel it and I feel like weird. That's interesting.
I feel like serious.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 When I swear to God, when the THC, when it all goes, I get real fucking like I'm like, I'm going to go to fucking confession and fucking go to confession. Yeah, I get like really serious.

Speaker 2 I'm going to start practicing the sacraments.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 Or just whatever, other stuff, too. That's sick.
But yeah, I become like a 1950s father.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow, dude.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? I just feel like, I don't know. It's a weird feeling.

Speaker 1 Start tucking your shirt in.

Speaker 2 I want to tuck my shirt in so bad, dude. I'm too fucking coward.
Too chicken shit.

Speaker 2 I like the feeling of having my shirt tucked in. Man.
Like, I genuinely really enjoy it, and I'm just too much of a coward to pull the trigger on it all the time.

Speaker 1 When I started wearing my pants high and tight, you at my true waistline, tugging my shirt in, I felt like a real

Speaker 2 amazing. Yeah, you feel amazing.

Speaker 1 Ready to talk about sports. Fuck.

Speaker 2 I'm going to talk.

Speaker 2 I'll get a good day where I'll be tucked in and then I'll just

Speaker 2 doubt myself. I'll untuck, but that's kind of where I'm at right now.
Some nice talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do you guys think?

Speaker 2 Man, dude. Well, dude, this is your second time here, dude.
You're a fucking...

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're one of the best guests I think we've ever gotten.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'm telling you, next time, it's in the cards, third time around, we'll get the big Shane. You'll be in the beautiful day.
We'll get the big dog here.

Speaker 1 And next time, it'll have a big dog.

Speaker 2 It'd be nice.

Speaker 2 My theory of podcasts is more the merrier.

Speaker 2 Whenever Shane's like, we have a guest, I'm like, yes, easy. Now we have three brains.

Speaker 1 You guys make it easy. It's just a, it's a fun, it's a fun way to do it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it is. I did notice that.
When I did my

Speaker 2 little like press thing, a lot of podcasts do have a lot of formulas.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, we don't have any.

Speaker 2 Oh, we have a formula here. If we run out of material or stuff to talk about, we turn on Sean LeMaire and Nate.
We start to attack them very personally.

Speaker 2 And if that fails, then we just make basically Nate LeMaire do stuff from their podcast on here.

Speaker 2 Like, do that thing you do on your podcast that we like, and then we do that. So that's our formula.
Talk as much as we can, turn on them.

Speaker 2 So what's next, man?

Speaker 2 What do you got going forward? You got the album out?

Speaker 1 Man.

Speaker 2 The album fucking rules. I'm dead serious.
I was blessed in that thing. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man. So

Speaker 1 we got the B-sides coming out, which

Speaker 1 there's a song on the record called No Room for Blue. So we're calling like the...
The B-sides release, like the deluxe edition. We're calling it No Room for Blue.

Speaker 1 There's all the songs we didn't have room for. Oh, that's cool.
Yeah. And there's there's a bunch of tunes on there that we were excited about.

Speaker 1 But that's kind of the deal with like making a record is like

Speaker 1 you work really, really hard and then the label's like

Speaker 1 not yet. You know, go back in, do some more.
We don't really hear anything yet. And then all the stuff that you really like, you get an opportunity to release it on like the B-sides.

Speaker 1 So that's what's happening on

Speaker 1 Black Friday. It'll be out.
Oh, nice. For Record Store Day.
And you can get that in a physical copy.

Speaker 1 But we'll be releasing it digitally in April on Record Store Day in April.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I was supposed to say that, but we can always believe it if you can. Yeah, it's all good, though.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but tonight we're rehearsing for Austin City Limits. So we're doing Austin City Limits tomorrow, taping that at the Moody Theater.

Speaker 1 That'd be a good opportunity for us to play all these songs live with the strings and the horns and the background vocals and

Speaker 1 finish up this run, man. I'm going out to L.A.,

Speaker 1 doing

Speaker 1 a residency out there with Chris Dave and Corey Henry at the Blue Note.

Speaker 1 Then off for the holidays.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's nice. Yeah.
How's the residency work? You just get to chill there for like how long?

Speaker 1 I think we're doing

Speaker 1 four nights, two shows a night.

Speaker 2 That's sick.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's awesome.
It'll be fun. Just kind of post up in L.A.

Speaker 1 It's a good opportunity to get together with folks you don't get to see that often.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's cool. And it's also, it's a different thing.
It's like a different,

Speaker 1 we play like Jazz Fusion. So we just kind of let everything go.
That's cool.

Speaker 2 Everything hang out. Just kind of fuck around.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Nice, man.

Speaker 1 Well, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, dude, Marcus, thank you for coming, man.

Speaker 1 Thanks for having me, bro.

Speaker 2 Bought me another week. Now I can survive for one more week and figure it out.

Speaker 1 Anytime, brother.

Speaker 2 Dude, thank you, man.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Later. Watch new episodes of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast on Spotify.
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