#644: Funeral for a Friend

Hello, and welcome to this week's edition of Tell'em Steve Dave here with BQ.

Hello.

Here with Walt.

Hello.

And I know

that at one point we said that every episode should be dedicated to Lindsay.

Several times since then, we've had other people that we had to shuffle in there, shoehorn in there

to have the episode dedicated to him.

I think she wouldn't mind this week if we dedicated it to Tim.

Yeah, I think she'd be okay with it.

Yeah, probably.

She doesn't have a choice, I guess.

But like, yeah, I think she'd be okay.

Wait a minute, Lindsay.

Sorry.

Yeah, sorry about that, Lindsay.

Yeah, maybe next week.

But yes, our dear friend Tim passed away from ALS

just yesterday, if I'm not mistaken, which would be, I don't even know what day today is.

Today's Wednesday, so it'd be Tuesday, Tuesday morning.

Wow.

After not a very long

way

sooner than I, I mean, yeah.

Yeah, I was reading up on it on ALS, Lou Gehrig's disease, and it said that usually the prognosis is like two to four years.

Yeah, so he yeah, he went downhill pretty quickly accelerated man.

Yeah, which sucks.

Or

it's better

because you're not suffering the whole time and you're not like watching yourself degenerate.

Yes,

I would have liked a longer runway of like, I'm okay, you know, right, right.

Yeah, well, there was hope like when we were getting together the

the speaking spell kind of thing for him.

Like when we did that, I thought for sure, like, okay, well, he's, he must have a while while then.

Wow.

You know, because he's going to have to use this for his speech.

That takes a little while.

Yeah.

But yeah, so

a lot of Facebook activity I saw, a lot of Twitter activity I saw.

Yeah.

Pictures of ants with Tim.

People love Tim.

They really did.

I was thinking about it.

I was like, is it possible that his Teflon was even harder than Sunday Jeff's?

Because Sunday Jeff is widely beloved.

But Tim,

and I said to Troy, who texted Walnut earlier, I was like, I never heard anybody say negative, anything negative

about the man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's shocking.

You know, yeah, he's just a great dude.

I, I was.

So it was really nice that I saw last night they were putting flowers on Jack's.

Oh, really?

Oh, I saw that.

Yeah, it was in the paper, too.

Oh, wow.

Or the online paper, anyway.

Oh, that's great.

Yeah, I think he made a pretty big impact with people like beyond what we know.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, like, because he's been at Jax forever.

So, any regular customer of Jax goes in there and sees him and

hey, it's Tim.

How long was he at Jax before he left?

I think he started in the 90s.

Wow.

Yeah.

He was there a long time.

Yeah.

Foof.

Yeah.

It's a long stretch.

Yeah.

I went online, I looked, you know, I went on to,

you know,

I guess we posted that

cartoon of him.

And man, the comments underneath it were like, you know, I hope his family is getting a chance to see it.

Yeah.

Because

it was one great thing after another.

Yeah, I saw one of the comments was from his stepdaughter.

Oh,

Oh, I think I did see that.

Yes, yes.

Had a lot of likes.

She was basically like, he really

loved being a part of this.

You know, they tell him Steve David and he loved it.

Well, the ants particularly.

Right.

Because everybody would go and see him.

Even when I go to Red Bank, it's like,

if I go to Red Bank, I would stop in and see him.

Yeah.

ALS, huh?

Yeah.

Yeah.

My God.

It's not a fucking thing in the world you can do about it.

It's not a fucking thing.

I mean, you're driving out here and you're just like, you know, and it's like you guys knew him better than I did.

I was still pretty shook when I heard.

You know what I mean?

So I was feeling really bad for you guys.

You know what I mean?

Like, you like my boys.

I know you guys were both like close.

I know Walt.

You were very close to him.

And like.

Yeah.

Well, I knew him.

I knew of him

long before I asked him to be on

involved with TSD.

And I told him, I got to tell him him before

that

I wish I had asked him to be a part of it sooner, but I was intimidated by his

look, which was not anywhere near like the inner, you know,

he looked to me like a biker with all his tattoos.

And he looked like he stepped off out of the Hell's Angels.

At one point, life was like, I fucking give up.

Bring on the tattoos.

And

I was so intimidated.

He was, he was a very large man, too.

And

I was always like, well, I'm going to go ask him if he be involved because I would talk to him a little bit when he came into the stash or I would talk to him if I was in Jack's.

And

I didn't know

he had like a sense of humor or anything, you know,

like, so, but when I did,

when I did talk to him, I realized how knowledgeable he was and how great he would be.

But I on Mike and how I was like, oh, this guy would be great.

But I always was like, oh, he'll think it's stupid or he'll think it's goofy.

And I was so intimidated to go over there and ask him.

He's not lying.

I remember all these reservations and him voicing them.

Yeah.

And

Tim, when, you know, to get to know him

through all, you know, all the projects he was involved with us, like, I couldn't have been more wrong about you know

He may have looked like a tough biker, but he certainly was just

He was like a humble oh shucks kind of guy.

Yeah

he didn't like even if you compliment him He's like oh

it's okay

Yeah, like he didn't have any ounce of like

that

What I thought he would like his perception of him being like this tough not that he wasn't I'm just saying like like this like like he looked like he like he would rather like he would just as soon as like run you over on his motorcycle than want to talk on mic to me that's what i always thought that's what he looked like but yeah i couldn't have been more wrong and i i i have every

text that you know on my phone with him and i look back and i asked him in 2018

to be on uh PPP, purveyors, posers, and playlists.

Not even right in the thing.

I was like, and I looked back at the text.

I was like, I danced around it for like I'm doing this thing I'd like you to be involved would you want to be involved it's you know you have to like judge songs and

he was like yeah I guess sure and

any time after that like

he tackled

any number of goofy, ridiculous scenarios that I would ask him like, hey, would you do this?

Without

hesitation, maybe a little hesitation.

Yeah, I was going to say, like, I liked the part of him that was like, this is stupid.

Let's do this.

Like, I like that part of him, you know, where he's like, I can't believe I'm involved.

Like, you would see it on his face.

I mean, I think to back to one of the stupidest things I asked him to do, but came out so good is we did this music video.

Where everybody in Tesdy Town dressed up in a rubber

kaiju costume.

Yeah.

or something I was working on.

And I asked him to come down and get into this ridiculous rubber monster suit and play guitar with like a real guitar.

And I know he like he's not that kind of guy that was like, so I need you to stand in front of the stand in front of the green screen by yourself and do this and act like you're rocking out.

And not, and like he was definitely self-conscious about it.

But I look back on that video.

He's the only one out of all of us that doesn't look like a complete and utter dork even in a rubber suit

he moved and acted like a rock star like he looks cool playing the guitar and doing that and that it feels like that was just yesterday yeah it just feels like there's

there's no way

yeah

and then my god then when i asked him

Because you know how how awesome he was on purveyors.

I was like I have this other thing I'd like to bounce off you

which was the kiss one.

Yeah.

And I remember telling him what I wanted to do with it.

And

first he said, I don't like kiss.

Yeah.

And I was like, that's great.

I'd love to have it.

I know I got two of them.

And I was like, I don't care that you don't like kiss.

I was like, I just want somebody with your knowledge and your

and your humor because it was a different type of humor.

Like,

it was,

there was a, I guess it was kind of like

sarcastic, but

never

jaded, though.

Right.

Self-effacing.

You know, very, like, his jokes

were like he owned, like, nobody else would say the jokes that he made.

And I don't know.

It's just.

But I remember telling him that we're going to do, I wanted to do the kiss one, and he said, okay, I'll do it.

And initially,

then I had to text him.

I had to text.

I was like, I have this idea.

I hope you're up for it.

But every episode, I want to do in full white makeup, face paint.

And we'll do it.

And before we decided to do masks, then I was like, well, masks will be a lot easier.

But he was like, okay, I go, I'll do it.

Anything, anything he would, he was up for and did it with

the utmost, like, he respected the most ridiculous

proposition from me.

How great is that?

And did it with

amazing effort.

Like he just, he wanted it to be good.

Yeah.

Yeah, man.

He,

I remember when, when I, you know,

we did the PPP and I was like, when he would pick my song as the winner,

it felt like I really won something.

You know what I mean?

Like, like it felt like.

Yeah, yeah.

You're like, oh, man, like, I don't, I want Tim to agree with me.

I know exactly the way you feel because there were some times when we were on PPP and it was like right on the fucking bubble, like whether or not Tim was going to win.

And like when he was like, oh, yeah, I like Brian's song better.

I'm like, oh, my God.

Yeah, there was something to it.

Yeah,

it was great.

I remember after the first time I lost a PPP round and I kind of went into like the sore loser mode.

He left.

I think it was the rap one with Who Let the Dogs Out.

He left the recording rather abruptly after we were done.

Okay.

And he texted me later and was like, Hey, and I hope you're not mad at me.

I know you were pretty upset with losing.

And he, and I was like, No, no, no, bro.

I was like, It's not real.

It's not real.

I go, I'm not mad.

I go, You are awesome.

And he was really taken aback.

I guess that I kind of like threw a little tantrum on my that I lost, but he didn't, he didn't get it.

Yeah, and then after that, he got it.

I was like, dude, it's never serious.

I don't like

being,

you know, that was all an act.

And

after that, yeah, he didn't have any reservations about shitting on any of my selections.

But when he first showed up, he was just like, he was like, almost agast at the way we were treating each other.

Yeah.

He's like, I've never seen people like this before.

I remember you telling me that.

Like, oh, this is going to be a fun game.

Like, you suck.

They're fucking tearing each other apart.

I was looking back through some of the texts and he,

do you remember the

picnic olympics that we did yeah

i asked him to be a part of that i don't even know what year that was it was a while ago but he was good at it too like he was pretty fucking good on that field he initially said he didn't want to do it he felt like it wasn't his thing you know i was like we're gonna play this we're gonna do this we're gonna do this he's like no and i was like are you sure and he's like all right i'll come but then

I found out later that he almost didn't come.

He actually wrote a text.

He told me he had a really great time after the Picnic Olympics and how much fun it was.

But he said he was going to text me that morning and bow out because he just didn't think.

And I'm so glad that he came and did that because that was an awesome afternoon.

And he was, he was one of the, he excelled on the field, like in a way that.

But that would have been like his first, maybe like his first exposure to all, everybody.

So it was kind of like, I think he felt a little self-conscious because he knew me and Brian, but he didn't know the rest of the crew that was involved and everything.

So,

you know, for him to come out and have a good time, and I saw the text about

how much he enjoyed that afternoon.

Wow, man,

I'm glad he was part of this.

You know what I mean?

Like, he just, it's,

it's so, I mean, like,

has an ability to pick out ringers.

He sure does, doesn't he?

Yeah.

Like anybody he brings over to Tuskey Town, you're like, all right, this guy's okay.

Yeah.

You know?

I I mean,

my last one may have been questionable.

That's true, yeah.

There's a few juries out on Mark

from Jersey Coin, but

he's still warming people over.

An unusual L for Flannagan.

Oh, man.

I was talking to Jimmy last night and I was telling him,

because he asked me, you know, about

the the kiss series that we did and

we have six unreleased kiss episodes

and i know they're

in the last three that we did he did after getting his diagnosis okay

and um

so it's for him to make that you know what he's dealing with

He found the time to come down and do that.

Yeah.

He wanted to finish it.

It was probably Walt too.

Like, think about the gift that you, you know, I don't know.

We're all going to start crying, I guess.

But, like, like, what you gave him was like,

like, that's probably great for him to come down here and do the kiss pot and laugh and not think about

the fucking absolute horror show that he was faced with, you know?

Even just for a little bit.

Yeah, like if you hadn't involved him in, like, this was going to happen to him either way, right?

And it's horrible, but like, it's nice that you were able to give him because people loved him.

And I think Tim really enjoyed being a part of this.

Like, I think it brought something to him that maybe he wasn't even expecting.

Yeah.

You know, like, who the fuck at his age expects to suddenly become like, you know.

Yeah, like people will go out of their way to come see you at work.

Yeah.

Like just to take a picture with you.

And everybody said the same thing.

They're like, he's, he was so nice.

He gave me and my girlfriends some t-shirts.

You know, he gave me a Ribeye Brothers album.

Like he will refuse to accept money for things.

That's there's so many accounts of ants who

met him who were blown away by how

cool he was to the listeners when they came in and mentioned that, you know, how much they enjoyed his involvement.

But I was telling Jim, I'm like,

releasing those episodes

will be difficult.

But his

his commitment to, you know, he wanted to finish it.

He told me, I want to finish it.

Let's, let's knock it, let's knock it out.

Wow.

But I'm like, I, they're like a gift, but

it feels like there's still with those six, there's actually seven episodes.

He was on something, he's called on time capsule with

Brian Nichelle.

So there's like seven things, but I said to Jim, I'm like,

I want to release them.

And, you know, because to

fulfill like him asking, you know, saying he wanted to finish it.

And it feels like there's with those seven episodes, there's still more of him to give.

Yeah.

But I don't know if I want to, that last episode releasing then feels

that's it.

That's it then.

When you release that last episode, that's tough, man.

Wow, that's heavy, dude.

But I think you got to try and look at it from a different angle.

You know what I mean?

Like, you can't because you're going to release it, right?

Yeah.

So, but that last kiss episode.

Yeah.

That's it then.

Like, there's still more of Tim.

Right.

Yeah.

And as long as I don't release it.

You're so right.

It feels like just yesterday we were in the woods filming the opening to the kiss thing.

It doesn't feel like it was years ago.

Yeah.

You know, like us dressing up and acting all stupid.

That was 2019.

Was it?

Jesus.

Yeah.

I just re-watched.

I re-watched that last night, the opening.

It's so fucking fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a

yeah, there's like this part of me that's like, as long as I don't release that last one,

there's still like there's still something

for him to give us.

Right.

There's something still there to look

forward to.

That's a tough thought, bud.

Yeah, that is.

You know, that's some deep shit, dude.

Like.

I went down to Red Bank the other day, as a matter of fact, and I was walking by Jacks.

I was like, oh, I just, oh, fuck.

Yeah, he's not there.

Yeah, just it didn't occur to me in the moment, but then,

and I'm not sure where he lives, so I was going to go to his house.

But I think, Walt, like what you brought him into is like, we know, we've always known how special this is, what we do here.

And,

you know, for us, you know, I don't know about the rest of the world, but for us, like, what it means to us and everything like that.

And, like,

you know, I think a lot of people don't have that.

You know what I mean?

A lot of people don't get to experience what we get to do here.

No, I mean, it's a unique text.

I mean, he sent me a text the day before,

you know, saying basically what he was saying goodbye, and he was telling how thankful he was that

we allowed him to come in and we treated him like family.

And yeah, I said, Well, that was because you were part of the TSD family.

Yeah.

It's just crazy that could go that fast.

Yeah.

I can't believe it.

Six months.

So many listeners have reached out since we announced, you know, what he was dealing with.

And

I cannot believe, I cannot tell you how many people have dealt with this with relatives and everything.

It's not as uncommon as I thought it was.

Yeah, I thought it was really uncommon too, but I read it was like one in 400 people.

Oh my god.

Which seems like a lot, right?

Sure does.

That's crazy.

But scary yeah

yeah like there was people who said that they struggled with it for a decade

and

so for for it to go that fast

is just stunning isn't like jaw-dropping that it would it could happen that quick yeah

i want to thank there was a there was a listener who contacted me and

he was a doctor and he spearheaded us getting the um the voice program going.

I want to thank him and also all the aunts who who who volunteered to edit podcast

to help with that voice.

And if I didn't get and there's so many we have more volunteers to edit than we needed

and I hope that I contacted and thanked everybody for at least inquiring.

But we had so many I may have missed a few, but I want to thank anybody who

who sent an email in to volunteer to edit for Tim's voice project.

And of course, everybody who bought the podcast, his benefit podcast on Vancamp.

We could actually go back like the lost Tim tapes and have like, because since we have his voice now, make him say all kinds of wild shit.

Yeah.

I tried to make a, I called Walt.

I tried to make a joke with Walt on the phone yesterday, but it didn't play.

It didn't play.

I thought your, well, it didn't.

It felt like it was

a real inquiry, and I was, and I didn't know what to say.

You caught me so off guard.

He was saying he was texting with Tim, and then you know, he's going on Monday.

Yeah, we were both crying, you know, we were both, you know, whatever, whatever.

We were Walt and I were talking, and I got, and then like, there's a pause, and I go, Did he ask for my number?

Walt just started like, I didn't say anything for like, I didn't know how to mine that minefield.

I thought he would just start laughing, but it was silence, and I was like, No, Walt, I'm kidding, buddy.

And

it was

like

we didn't, we didn't record with,

unfortunately, we were running.

He was just, his health wasn't,

he wasn't up to snuff after he'd finished KISS to do anything else, but we were still texting.

And not.

more than

three weeks ago, like in the middle of the night, I got a text from him and we just started talking about Kojak.

And the conversation was so

normal.

Normal.

He would never

believe that.

What he was dealing with.

Like, you wouldn't even believe it, right?

There was no indication.

He was cracking jokes.

Just like it was a normal evening.

I mean, I would like to say, what else can you do, but I feel like if it were me in the moment, I would just like

to be no Kojak.

No, I would be like, fuck you, or fuck Kojak.

I'm dying over here.

On his fucking face.

Fuck you, Kojak.

I'm dying here.

He was just somehow he made a Kojak joke, and I was like, Oh, you're a fan.

And like, I didn't know he was.

And we started just going at,

you know, for like a half hour about Kojak episodes and

how much we enjoyed it.

And

I would, I would text with him again, but in between that, in between that, and yeah, and Monday, but

not

that kind of in-depth

where it just didn't feel like it was, like he was sick.

Yeah.

But I think that's like, you know, and I keep going back to what I'm saying about like what we have here and what you did by inviting him into us.

And I don't know nothing's going to make you feel better.

Like, you know, I mean, no, I understand.

But like, you brought something so good to the guy's life, you know, and like the alternative just to what I, you know, texting you about Kojak and having fun, I'm sure, is sitting there in that fucking bed worrying about the progression of this.

Right.

It's just, it's just another day closer.

It's just another day closer.

Right.

And like, so it's like another thing to even have Walt to text Kojak with, you know, is crazy because there's not a lot of people he could text Kojak with, even if he was completely healthy.

Like, his options are very limited.

Yeah, if he texted me, I would have been like, I've seen it.

I can't.

Who phone who does?

I can't speak with any real knowledge about it.

Except his brother was in it, right?

Oh,

okay.

I was like, wait, what?

Oh, man, no.

It's crazy.

But he did get to, I mean, because he worked on the lights with Magnet, right?

Monster Magnet.

What didn't he do the lights with him?

He was a, he was, he did a lot of stuff with them, with them.

I mean, I remember we, me and you, Brian, went to see, long before we were friends with them,

Magnet was doing

on,

what's it called when it unplugged?

An unplugged acoustics

performance in Woodbridge at a record store.

And

i didn't really know dave at that point either like i knew of him but i wasn't i wouldn't say we were friends like i remember him selling me comics at that point okay

and uh i wanted to go and we went up and date and uh tim was playing the bongos on it

and i remember being like i remember i would still tell him i'm like man i remember that day i saw you doing the bongos i mean that was the baddest ass anybody's ever looked doing the bongos i said like you like it's hard to look cool and badass playing the bongos I said but you did it it's like him and Matthew McConaughey naked

I don't know what that is I was I told my like it's like I think Ricky Ricardo was the before you it's just Ricky Ricardo knew it and then you I said are the two baddest asses who ever did bongos

I didn't have the Matthew McConaughey in my room I got arrested for bongoing naked oh it's really

really

He was playing bongo he was living in Texas I think Austin and I just read his book that's how I know the story too and And he's playing bongo and he's smoking weed, I guess.

And the cops came and arrested him.

And they dragged him out of the house naked.

Like, they didn't even let him put clothes on and shit like that.

For like some of the most harmless shit you can do, smoking a little weed and playing some bongos.

They're like, all right, enough households.

Like, why can't you be naked in your own house?

But yeah, but Tim Out, Tim Out cooled him.

Yeah, he did.

I mean, he, when I asked him to be

on the new, his,

I knew he didn't know at the time, but he knew he knew he was dealing with some, something.

And I asked him to be on the, on the, Brian Dichelle's time capsule.

And he said that, well, I might be dealing with something, and maybe you should ask somebody else.

And

it's tough because I gave him that, like,

I was like, no, no, I want you.

I want you to do it.

I go, I go, you know that you'll.

You know, you'll be all right to do it.

I gave that kind of like

false,

you know.

You're fine.

Yeah.

Do what I need you to do.

I was like, there is nobody else I'd rather have than you on.

And I said, you'll be, you'll do, you'll, you'll be fine.

You'll see, and you'll be

happy you did it.

And I was wrong, no.

You know, he wasn't.

I don't know.

I think people first started, like around Christmas, people started first noticing like his voice.

And when he was telling me, like,

when it first happened, he was talking about having the

acid reflux.

Yeah.

I thought that was like, because, you know, I had that before, and I was like, all right, well, that's not too bad.

You know, like, you can, you can get that fixed.

I mean, it's horrible in the moment.

Sure.

Oh, yeah.

There's no worse pain.

But it's like, he can get it fixed.

You know, I wasn't, I had no idea.

Didn't even dream that it would be so serious.

I don't know who suggested it, but

the last Christmas episode

that was a massive room full of Tesde town residents, and somebody suggested we take that photo on the stairs yeah

and i didn't want to take it but i'm glad we took it yeah yeah

he was on the stairs i mean it just seems like

we just did it it's

yeah he's on he's at the very top of the stairs he was like me he didn't want to take the photo either i know he didn't want to take it but he took it i'm glad we got it we got to get that framed in here i guess it's hanging up yeah it's hanging up yeah it was one that was the photo that get him didn't hang out for like six months

but he did he got it up and and you know it's

yeah and covered it in green screen no no it's in the it's it's over his desk oh okay yeah it will never get covered with green screen jesus man

yeah

i know do you know walt do you know if he had like

did the doctors tell him like look you can expect to live this long or did he have no idea really

You never mentioned that.

He told me at the Christmas pod, because I told him, I was like, hey, when he was leaving for that night, I was like, I'm going to text you.

I said, I have this thing I want to do, because Nichelle had come down and pitched time capsule.

And when he told me the concept, I was like,

the one guy that's got to be on it, I said, is Tim.

I mean, he's the perfect

person to, it's almost like PPP in a way.

You put up things to put in a time capsule and everybody judges.

Yeah, I remember.

We played this.

I played this with you.

Yeah.

And

he said, well, I'm not feeling too good right now.

I'm dealing with something.

But

he

at that point wasn't sure.

It really was, as crazy as this sounds, it was the second to last

KISS recording that he knew.

We recorded, he came and recorded two episodes of KISS.

And then we were scheduled

for the next day to record the final one.

And

he knew before that and had told me the prior.

And so he knew.

But he was like, I want to get get it done i want to

i want to it'll be nice to have it a complete he he is crazy like

he would make some gallows humor jokes and he wanted me to promote the uh kiss pod he said he knew that it wasn't a popular one amongst the uh ants he said you can tell

where's that joke and i i copied it um that

I might not be around by the time the last Kiss kiss episode airs, but you can promote it as the first podcast series to finish and say it was so grueling that it actually killed one of the podcasters.

Just putting it out there, you said.

That's how I like to think I'd be.

Yeah, right?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think I would be, though.

I don't know if I could have the

the ability to separate it and and joke about it, but man,

I guess there's just

yeah, I mean, unless there isn't, there has to be a moment of acceptance.

Like,

because like you grow up, you go through life and you see these horrible things happen, and you're like, well, that happens to other people, you know, it doesn't happen to you, yeah.

You know, um, like, yeah, but you talk about like I went back and watched the opening, the kiss intro

last night, too, and it's like,

what rhyme or reason is there that the four of us will go into the woods and one of us will

get this, though?

There was no way to know.

Like, it was just like a random

thing that

just boggles your mind.

It's like, and I'm walking around Walmart last night, and I'm like, because my wife wanted to do run some errands, and I'm like,

you know, what am I doing walking around Walmart?

I should be,

I don't know, what should I be doing though?

Like, why, what should I be doing?

It doesn't make any sense.

Death has a way of doing that to people, though.

It's It's like

almost by example, you're like, well, I mean, you could only assume Tim could do very limited things in his last days.

But

taking that, you're like, yeah, like, I got to live life to the fullest now because otherwise, you know, like, you never know when it's coming.

That's the lesson here.

It's like, you never know when it's coming.

But I feel like I was, I should be doing something, although I didn't know what it was other than

walking around Walmart.

You know, just

earlier in the morning, he,

you know,

did what he had to do, and I'm walking around Walmart.

It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.

I guess it's a matter of perspective because, like,

you know, it's like when we say, like, you, you have to appreciate, you know, what you have.

And, and,

like.

There are circumstances, probably horrible circumstances, but there are circumstances where you would like, I would do anything to be in Walmart with Deb shopping right now.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, those circumstances are out there.

And like, where you could sit there and be like, I would fucking give my legs just to be in Walmart with Deb right now.

So it might just be about like

realizing that, like, you're doing what you should do, you know, and like just appreciating no matter what you're doing is.

Yeah, no matter how, no matter what, like how small it is.

Like, you could say, like, I'm a fucking walking around Walmart, or you could be like,

I love this woman, you know what I mean?

This is the love of my life.

This is my sweetheart, and I'm with her, and we're healthy, and we have a beautiful grandchild, and I'm in Walmart with her.

Yeah, it just feels like I'm just telling everybody, I'm like, I don't know what to do, and it feels like I should do something than just

a mundane

shopping errand.

You know, it's like that's

but I don't like what would I don't even know what it is that I think I should be doing,

You know?

Like,

so many fucking crazy, horrible things have happened over the past couple of days in the rest of the world and the country.

And it just fucking blows your mind.

It's like, life just fucking goes on no matter how horrible shit is.

I was thinking about that when I was driving here.

And I got off

Parkway and I was coming around that turn.

And I was thinking about Tim, obviously, because, you know, we're driving out here and I knew we were going to do this.

And, you know this horrible thing just happened and I was like and I was looking at the road and I was like this is the same road I drove last week like everything's like just goes on exactly what you're saying like you could be like well what happens after I die but you're like fucking everything everything that happened before you died it just goes on and on and on and like it's it's kind of depressing in some way kind of freeing in another way

And then you go on a long enough time.

I mean, this is, this was what I was thinking, describing all the days to come here.

And I'm like, you're just like, it's like, none of it, you know, in the end, you know, the earth will fucking boil away to nothing and we'll all be gone.

So, what's the best you could hope for?

And I guess it's like after you go that people care

that you lived, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

And he, who, you know,

sure seems like people care

that he lived, you know, it's like,

more, what more could you get?

You know, I don't know.

I don't know.

The only thing that sucks is that you can't look down and be like, oh, wow, look how much people cared.

Like, you don't know.

Or maybe you can.

Yeah, man.

We don't know shit.

Like, we don't know anything.

That's true.

Or maybe, like, much like the Dalai Lama,

Tim is reborn as a baby.

Like, we should bring records.

What do they bring to the Dalai Lama?

When

they bring like three of his possessions, and if the baby picks like just two that are not correct and one that is, and if the baby picks it up, like, it's proof that it's sent us the Dalai Lama.

Yeah, like, maybe we need to get like one of Tim's things.

Find a little llama.

Yeah.

yeah it's it's heavy shit well you know and i i can't imagine what you're going through because i know you also don't deal with stuff like this all that often no no like last time was marco right yeah well no your mother-in-law thank you yes my mom yeah

yeah but it's

you know we're getting up to that age oh yeah you know there's no denying So you're right, though, that like

you better

acknowledge and appreciate things you can still do.

Because at one point, you're not going to be able to do them.

And hopefully, that's a long time from now.

And it's weird how it's a lesson that we have to keep relearning.

Right.

Because I had a captain in my fire house, Captain Nibro, Gary Nybro, and one of the greatest fucking guys you could ever meet.

Like, just

fireman's fireman.

And, like, if he could help you, he helped you.

And he was at 9-11 and

he retired a couple of years back.

Six months after he retired,

he was dead from lung can from tongue cancer.

9-11-related tongue cancer.

And this is a guy that I worked with 24 hours, you know, a shift and helped him with a lot of stuff personally.

And

you learn that lesson then.

And then like, you forget.

Yep.

Yeah.

You just forget.

It's like, you know, and.

that's life going on.

That's life going on.

You just can't obsess.

No matter how close you were to the person, you can't obsess on it non-stop.

Otherwise, you're done for.

Yeah, but I wish we were better at holding on to

the silver lining.

Holding on to the meaning and holding on to not allowing that to fade and

letting little stupid shit

affect you when

you know

it's me that shit's meaningless and but you know that shit that the every day-to-day mundane shit that annoys you or puts you in a bad mood

means nothing means nothing it means nothing and there's that saying like if

if um there's that saying right like if you're if you're if you're healthy you have a million problems if you're sick you have one problem you know and it's like that's

it's true and it's just sucks you got to get sick to realize it, or someone that you care about has to do, you know, go out like this for you to realize it.

But man,

I don't know.

But we're also, the three of us are also like

cynical dudes.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's hard to keep us on a positive, like, like, loving

hook, you know?

Sometimes I think.

Yeah, I don't want that, though.

You know, you.

you struggle.

You don't want that to happen.

I'm not going to allow little

stupid shit

bother me or affect me and realize that it's so trivial and so meaningless.

But

eventually it'll creep in again.

Wow.

You know, after a while, and I hope that it doesn't happen.

I think that's just human nature, right?

I mean, distance from anything.

You can't walk around that open wound all the time.

Right.

Yeah, but.

Yeah, I mean, it's a good

philosophy.

You know, don't sweat the small stuff.

Plenty of books about it.

Yeah.

But goddammit, if it isn't hard sometimes, you know, I know.

Like just driving down the highway and like some asshole cuts off.

You're like, what the fuck?

Jerk off.

Yeah.

It might send you into a mood.

Yeah.

You know what Tim loved?

Yundies.

Oh, we're monetizing it.

I got got up to the base, Tim.

I know you're up there looking down.

Tim didn't work at Jax for free.

He got a paycheck.

Oh, man, that's that's some segue.

I was wondering if, um,

and this is going to sound like a joke, but like, this is one thing that popped in my mind after we spoke the other night while thinking about Tim.

And I was like, I wonder if Jimmy, I don't know why this popped in my head, but I was like, I wonder if Jimmy the hair guy is going to get a Tim tattoo.

It just popped in.

It just fucking the thought popped in my head.

And I was like, he is now.

Yeah, yeah, maybe.

Maybe.

You put the pressure on.

Now, if he doesn't, it's like...

He's let me down before, Jimmy.

I love it.

He got one of Ralph's Cyrilla from The Stern Show.

Right.

So if he got that, he was actually buddies with Tim.

Yeah, I mean, I think he might do a memorial tattoo.

You're right.

He's kind of backed into a corner now.

Thankfully, getting a tattoo for him is like blowing his nose.

Yeah.

He'll do it.

Oh, man well uh jimmy the hair guy if you want to get it i'll pay for it bud yeah yeah yeah

remove that remove because i know how he is about money and his wedding and stuff like that so we can remove that from him that's true yeah that obstacle out of the way

so what should i do should i do these yeah of course okay tim would have wanted you to he would have yeah

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I think it's really fucking sweet that people are putting flowers at the end.

Yeah, isn't it?

Isn't that just, it just really made me

feel good that like that with that such a, I wouldn't have thought of it.

It's such a wonderful gesture to go to and put, they put like a picture of him on the sidewalk.

Somebody did.

Just somebody.

I think I'm going to take a drive up there after this and look at it.

Shut it up.

Yeah.

Maybe pick up some flowers on the way and add them because you just want people to know that he mattered.

You know what I mean?

Like this guy guy was important, you know, and every, I guess, flower on it is another testament to that, you know?

Yeah, like, uh, you want him to have that, you know, like that showing.

Yeah.

Like Walt said earlier, like, it's, like, we knew that, like, he mattered to us, but, like,

to see the,

what's that?

What would you call that?

Like the ripple effect?

No, I mean the display.

What would you call it?

To see so many people.

Oh, yeah.

Memorialized.

Memorial, yeah.

So many people come together and be like, we liked him too yeah you know it's like it shows well he was a red bank fixture too right i mean he was like yeah he was oh wait you know who we forgot too rob bruce god rest his soul yeah he was really the last one yes he was

yeah

i yeah i didn't yeah i didn't mean that as a slight to forget him yeah

and i was thinking about what you were telling me about the uh

toxic change that you had with him and I'm like

I I keep trying to it feel for you and I'm like I don't get devastating to read I couldn't like I was like okay I must be dreaming right now

and like I said he said how

he was thankful that you know

to be a part of TSD and to become friends with me and and Brian and and and

all the people that he met and uh

you guys treated me like family and I wanted you to know that.

I was just

oh man.

But, like, that's kind of like

beautiful.

Like, that's,

I don't know many people who got a chance to tell people

how they felt.

I wonder if he sent any fuck you're.

That's your mind.

That's you.

That's a cute thought.

There's some fuck you's, I think.

Or are you in that moment?

You're like, I'm not wasting a second of what I have left on a fuck you.

But I personally think I would send a couple of fuck you're.

I might even blame some people over text.

I mean, the way the world is today, you could do it, forget text, you could do it on video.

Yeah.

Funeral be like, okay, just in case you showed up.

I would not,

I think I would understand if this took you like a good long while to move past, because that's some heavy fucking shit, man.

You know, there's no prepping for that.

There's no.

I guess there was a little bit.

I felt like this is a this isn't something but I but I had heard stories of 10 years right

and I thought maybe they could slow the progress or the not progress was it would be called slow the progression yeah

so there was hope that

that this text would have would would come many many right years down the line and it wouldn't be so fast but my god you know and i would

I just, it's just shocking that it could go that fast.

Yeah.

It's almost like when people don't know that they have things, they last longer.

It almost seems like if, you know, you tell somebody like, oh, it turns out you have cancer, it's like, boom, they're gone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what happened with Captain Nybro.

It was just like, yeah.

Tongue cancer.

Gone.

I had a couple neighbors, and I always remember this to They,

you know, the guy worked his whole life.

They were going to retire down to Florida.

All they cared about was riding bicycles.

It's all these two people cared about, this guy and his wife.

And they moved down to Florida.

In less than six weeks, his wife died.

And in less than three months, he died.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Well, he was a heavy smoker, man.

He used to smoke those filterless cigarettes, his camels.

I can't remember if she smoked or not, but yeah, like just like that fast.

You think you have like decades of bike riding ahead of you.

You think you're going to be riding bikes until your fucking legs fall off.

And the the next thing you know, it's like, oh, wait, now my bicycle riding partner is gone.

I mean, maybe, maybe that's what it is.

It just makes you give up, say, fuck it, you know.

I don't want to ride my bike by myself.

But then there are people who, like,

their partner dies at like 80 and they go and get a girlfriend, you know, or a boyfriend or something.

There might be a different perspective at that age.

You know what I mean?

I think if you get into those high 80s, low 90s, like maybe you just have a different perspective on it all.

You're like, I'm used to it.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Women have to deal with it more than men, right?

Because usually it's the dudes dying off.

The dudes dying off, yeah.

I remember my grandmother just going through the paper constantly.

Like, she, like, every one of her friends died before she did.

Every single one of them.

She would look in the paper and be like, oh, so-and-so died.

Or she would get a phone call.

So-and-so died.

But.

I don't know.

Like at the end,

when we went to the hospice,

like it seemed like she was like, fuck this shit.

I went out.

I went out.

Yeah.

That was my grandmother.

My grandmother was like, I am ready to go.

My grandfather told her, like, I'm just ready to go.

Yeah.

Which I couldn't understand.

I was in my 20s.

I'm like, I don't get it.

Like, now I'm 49.

And I'm like, oh, I'm kind of.

I am getting it.

I'm getting it.

On a worse day, you might be like, all right, take it.

Man.

And

he grew up in this area.

Like, this is whole.

Keensburg.

Keensburg.

Yeah.

62?

62 or 3.

63, I think.

Man.

Is it natural, you think, to have thoughts of like, because I remember thinking, like, he's only 63.

I'm like, I'm telling to Mary Beth.

I'm like, that's six years older than me.

Oh, yeah.

I'm like, that could be, like, that could be me.

Yeah.

Well, that's true.

It's just like, thank fucking Christ.

It isn't.

But, like, God, the poor bastard with the, like, the odds.

Yeah.

That's, that's the part that would get me.

The odds.

Yeah, the

odds.

That's why I say it's like we all went into the woods that afternoon, morning, morning, I think we filmed that on a Sunday morning, and

one out of the four would get this.

And it's like,

why?

How?

Why him?

It's just crazy.

And then again, there's somebody that's going to win the lottery today.

You know, like a completely different end of the spectrum.

I mean, statistically speaking,

you guys who went into the woods are pretty safe from this now, right?

Like, it's

like, if statistically, one of us was going to get it.

I mean, one of us got it.

Right.

So.

And even then, he was bucking the odds, right?

400 to one or something.

Yeah.

So, you know, maybe you could feel good in that way.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's just.

It's hard to feel good.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's no way to like

it's just so stunning and how heartbreaking, man.

And and uh, it's a good dude, he was a good dude, yeah.

He was a fucking great guy.

That's that's the thing that really sucks.

It's like if it was some asshole that you kind of met, like a neighbor or something, that you're like, oh, well, he's not going to be used, you know, it's one thing.

But like I said, like there was, there was no one who wasn't like, Tim's a great guy.

They would come back and fucking tell you once they went to Jack's

what a great guy he was, how nice he was.

Yeah, he he was so fucking funny.

Like, he was just so like sarcastic.

Without even trying.

Yeah, like, he just looked at something for what it was.

I was like, well, that's fucking Watson.

You know?

Yeah.

The look on his face when like he'd be looking at Giddam say something.

Like, it was, it's, it's.

Yeah, his and Windorf's introduction to Giddam were two of my favorite moments.

Just like, what?

Is this a real person?

Windorf.

I think the first time Windorf met him, he was, he could, he made the claim that Gidham lost weight by walking in concentric circles in his room.

And I always, that line always stuck with me.

I like, that is so fucking funny.

Like, that was fun.

You know, Giddam was all skinny and shit.

Oh, God, that made me laugh.

Concentric circles.

Yeah.

God damn, man.

Yeah, I don't know what else to say.

Goodbye, Tim.

Yeah.

I

hope there's what he's just doing whatever,

like singing all the bands that you know that he loved that are no longer here just yeah I just hope it's

exactly what you know that you hope it to be yeah um

and it might be who the fuck knows nobody knows the only thing that I've come to realize in my life is like if I think I know something it just means that it's not what I think it is like everything

yeah I went to lunch with Mary Beth today she told me with such certainty that this isn't it.

She goes, FGI die, that's not it.

As if she knew.

Yeah.

Like, what do you know, Junior?

Yeah, what do you get 30 years old?

Little fuckhead.

Come to me when you're fucking almost 60 and tell me this shit.

I just feel like if I say there's a heaven, that means there's no heaven.

I'll just get it wrong.

I'll just get it wrong.

Why do you think that, though?

Your perception to me is that you're pretty spot on.

I feel like I don't feel it.

I appreciate you saying that.

I don't feel that way.

And I feel like

I don't even know if it's a me thing.

I think that the limitations of the human perception and the human mind have locked us into a universe where we just don't really know what the fuck's going on.

We don't understand that anything.

And it's like how like they used to think thunder was like angry gods.

Like, you know, it's like, we're still in that.

I think we all live in that, that,

like you know like cats could see UV light right and see different colors in us and stuff like that and it's like that shit is going on constantly around us like everything we can't see and everything we can't hear and every like there's a whole world that is like just outside of human senses because we've only developed what we need to survive and it's just like those are the only ones we know about like what are the things that we don't fucking know about that that are out there and that's i tell you it's not really a me thing i just feel like there's no way for us to fully grasp the universe.

We're like,

so any guesses that we make have to be wrong because we don't even have fucking a tenth of the information to make these things.

We make up

God to explain things that we don't understand.

And it's comforting to be like,

well, sure, there's a reason for all this because we don't understand it, but there's a God above who does understand it.

But, so that's why I'm saying, like, I just, if I could imagine it as what's going on,

it's definitely not that.

It's just definitely not that.

You know what I mean?

Because I don't have the information to imagine what it really is, you know?

Right.

So,

you know, we see we boil it down to, well, when you die, do you go on or is it over?

It's just like, all right, what are the third options that we don't fucking know about?

What are the fourth, fifth, tenth option that we just don't even have a clue are options?

Because we just don't know anything.

So yeah, I mean, it depends on who you ask.

Like some people will be like, oh, you're dead in the ground.

Other people will be like, oh, you're going to be reincarnated.

Okay, those are the two options.

Like, I either go on or I don't.

Like, that's it.

You know, I don't know.

I don't know.

And those options, by the way, were created

10,000 years ago.

Like, it's not like these are new options.

Like, since we were shitting in fucking holes, you know, in the woods, you know, and coming down from the trees, those were the only two options.

So there's just no way that we're spot on about it.

Like, something else has got to be out there.

It would be nice, though, to be like one of these hyper-religious people who are like, I know they're not, they're not saying that they think, yeah, like, I know they know it.

It must be a source of comfort, you know.

Sure, you know, sure, I don't know.

I know

it's crazy, and it's like all this just cracks open, it's just all in your head, you know, when something like this happens.

Um,

but it's brutal, yeah.

And he, he, you know, 62 62 is no spring chicken, but it's still too young.

Yeah.

It's still too young.

Yeah, it is.

It just feels

like

it's just too young, like you said.

Like another 20 years easy.

Sure.

Should have been in that guy's pocket.

You know.

Just wasn't.

Just wasn't.

Heartbreaking.

Yeah.

I especially question God when I see things like this past Texas flood, where it's like, not only did it kill a bunch of people, not only did it kill a bunch of kids, but it killed a bunch of kids at a Christian camp.

God's not looking out for them.

Why would he look out for a shitheel like me?

That's a question worth asking, I guess.

Yeah.

I know, and that shit's just going on.

And even like this, you know, you see those images of those starving kids.

You know, it's just easy to just be like, hey, shit, shit's going on on the other side of the world.

I don't know, man.

It's hard.

You got a snoring dog underneath you.

Yeah, he's been very helpful.

Yeah.

He's a therapy dog.

Good therapy dog.

Yeah, he doesn't leave my side.

Comfort dog.

It's nice.

Yeah.

He's a good dog.

He's a good dog.

He came to your life at the right time.

Oh, yeah, that's for sure.

Yeah.

Well, we'll, you know,

I don't think we'll stop mentioning Tim anytime soon.

No.

You You know.

No.

He'll be around here.

Yeah,

he will be greatly missed.

And

like I said, we I still have

this

feeling of like he's still kind of here because of those episodes.

And

it is a kind of somewhat comforting that there's still this there's still more of him to for me to yeah for us to release

but boy that last one man I don't know reminds me do you remember in Sopranos when Bobby Bakala's wife died and she had made one last plate of lasagna and Janice cooked it Janice cooked it yeah he wouldn't eat it he's like it's the last one she made like and he waited a really long time before he ate it yeah

I get that too remember his uh remember he would when he did he I don't know did he come up with it is it unfuck withable was that his did he coin that?

Who?

Tim?

Tim?

I don't know.

I never heard it before, so maybe unfuckwithable.

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

I get what he means.

Yeah, he, I mean, he's a.

I thought he made it up, or maybe he heard it somewhere.

But yeah, I remember

I saw someone, um,

someone used it like in a nice little

post about him because he had used it to describe something that was perfect, he said.

Oh, wow.

Unfuckwithable is something that's perfect.

He used it to describe Slayer.

I agree with him.

Oh, that's great.

Have you ever heard that before?

No.

That's the first word I ever heard say.

And I don't know if he made it up or not.

I'm going to say he made it up.

Why don't we just go with it?

Let's give it to it to him.

Let's give it to him, man.

Unfuckwithable.

I wish there wasn't a curse in it because I was like, you know, you could buy like bricks that have likes things on it.

Like,

maybe, you know, buy a brick somewhere that says unfuck withable.

It's in the record store guy.

And he was, I was looking back through texts, and

as

he kind of held back when we were playing PPP, because I would have to give him the songs that people were picking beforehand so he could do a little research.

He was so brutal to some of these songs, like in between me and the text, and he was like, What the fuck's wrong with this person picking this?

He's like, Do they have an ear?

He goes,

But he was, but

he wasn't as vicious on Mike and wouldn't tear him apart.

But boy, I was looking back.

It was funny how

he was much more apt to tear the song apart in text than he was on Mike.

Oh, that is funny.

Yeah.

I almost wish we could take those kiss episodes.

I know they're not all out yet.

I don't know.

I'm just talking.

And like, put them on like cassette.

and bring them to Jax and sell them there.

You know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

Like it'd be like a little picture of Tim and be like, you guys didn't know this.

Like, everybody came in here and loved him, but like, he did this.

You know what I mean?

And like, this was, this was,

you know, part of his

legacy.

And like, this way, people who don't know Telam C Dave or don't know anything about this

have the ability to enjoy his work.

It would be.

I don't know, though, if Kiss would be okay with the selling

all that trademark music and logos logos and all the mask wear and costumes.

Eugene might have a bone to pick with.

He's got to find this first.

That's just a cease and desist, right?

That's all it is.

Yeah.

Well, I...

Jack, you're probably going to get a letter.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't freak out.

Something I was working on.

It's weird that you had mentioned this.

Something I was working on for a long time with BS Jet

was where we're going to take every episode of the Kiss Pod and release it as a box set and make it look like cds but there were dvds okay and bs jet put me brie sundae and tim

inserted into all the albums like perfectly like you're talking like the artwork is stunning

for the most intricate album where like if you look at if you look at it real fast yeah you think it's just a normal kiss album but it's actually us on the cover yeah it's so well done and that was what i was working on but since the episodes were never finished i never

you know, one day I was going to release this,

and unfortunately, he didn't get to see the artwork.

I would show him the artwork every time a new CD cover came in.

Oh, that's cool.

But we never got the edited versions in time to release it,

you know, the box that I wanted to release.

But you think you'll still

do it.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, I'm going to do it.

I mean, the artwork is stunning, and he loved it.

You know, it was,

you know, and it looks just like a CD from Kiss, but it's awesome.

It's great, man.

This is great, dude.

That it?

What do you think?

Yeah.

Send off for Tim.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'll come up many more times, but

I think it's, you know.

I'm real sorry, guys.

I know you guys really were close to him and stuff like that.

Well, like, I'm sorry.

Thank you.

Can't imagine.

Tell him, Steve, Dave.