#590: Popobawa

Time Steve Dave presents and for Ken for

Encounters and the Assessments of the New Kind

with Brian Gran,

Roger Fonnegan, and Ben Johnson.

This week's episode.

Hello and welcome to this week's edition of Tell Em Steve Dave.

Yo, Walt.

Yo.

Yo, Q.

Yo.

What a day I had today.

What?

What a day.

What did you do?

I got a call first thing in the morning.

Remember, I was telling you about Sage and

her saying that there were people around her and she was hearing voices and that kind of stuff.

And so she went and

we did an online thing with the shrink who was like, yeah, that seems kind of normal for her condition.

That's what people with Down syndrome do is like they'll emote, they'll work things out like audibly, you know.

So like what she was doing was not really like that abnormal.

And then she did it again today.

Except today she drew a picture of a gun, a picture of ghosts under a bed waiting to get her, and then a picture of her on top of the bed with her eyes X'd out.

Oh, wow.

Do you have the picture?

I can get the picture.

That picture is going to be worth a fortune.

Right?

Right?

You will put it on a shirt.

Patreon gift, man.

Halloween Patreon gift.

I mean, I have to.

So today I had to, they insisted I come over.

I had to go to the school.

Yeah.

And not only that, but I had to then go to a meeting and after that take her for a screening at the psych ward in

Riverview.

Whoa.

So this was not

from 9.30 till quarter to five.

Yeah.

I thought it was a little.

It's a bit of an overreaction.

I thought so too.

Yeah.

I mean, because the questions they're asking her, they're like, are you afraid where you live?

And, you know, like normal questions, I guess they would ask anybody.

But really, it's just like, do you think you're going to hurt hurt someone?

And it's like, if you, if you know the kid, she's like the most good-natured kid.

It's like, no, she ain't hurting anybody.

But now I have to go to another meeting tomorrow.

I'm going to keep everybody updated on Sage's fucking psych.

Because they're like, it could be psychosis that leads into like schizophrenia.

Wait, you could have...

Work Down syndrome and have schizophrenia?

Yeah, they said, as a matter of fact, this is around the age where a lot of times it'll take hold.

So.

Now, does the picture look like, does somebody have to interpret it like that's a gun or does it look really like a gun?

I kind of chided her.

I was like, that looks more like a hair dryer than a gun.

It looks like a hair dryer.

Yeah, okay.

So it doesn't look like a ghost, like a traditional ghost?

No.

So how does anybody know it's a ghost then?

Because she tells them.

She said there's three ghosts that live under her bed.

One of them is an old man with a cracked face.

I'm like, hey, I got my own bed.

Has she been watching too many scary movies?

I think maybe.

I think the Annabelle, because Annabelle has that cracked face, you know,

from that aged, distressed face.

She's constantly watching this stuff called spy ninjas, but I think that's more of a kid's thing.

I don't think that's an adult thing.

But now she has to regularly see a psychiatrist in order to make sure that she's not going nuts.

Are you concerned or you think it's just like this, just them, like, just the state being?

I feel like it's, I kind of feel like it's nanny states.

Yes.

It's the school being like, look, if this kid draws a picture of a gun and then for whatever reason she brings a gun in we're gonna be so let's like you said let's let's overreact to everything just so that we can be sure uh

i know i they give no margin of error for kids like just because you have down syndrome they're like they don't give a fuck they're like this is a kid talking about violence so we gotta

you know there's no quarter given for that so that's the update on my day in stage

oh god it sucked At a certain point, when I was at the hospital, I was like, hey,

I have to go soon.

You know,

we're doing overkill.

Yeah.

A very big day.

And it turned out that I think they forgot about us.

So we were sitting there for probably an hour for no reason.

Oh, my God.

Thank you.

I hate that.

You can't blow up.

No.

Because you got to be on your best behavior.

Yeah, you got to be on your absolute best behavior.

Needles and pins, needles and pins.

It's a happy man who grins.

Oh, that's tough.

That's awful.

Yeah.

So I'm just, I'm really hoping that it's not worst case scenario and it's not like, wow, this is developing into like something actually.

I mean, before,

you know,

before Sage,

we had contact with another.

little girl who had Downs, and we saw her go into like

scenarios where she was just immersed into a fantasy world where she was a teacher and she was teaching all the students in the class for hours on end and she was a strict teacher too she wouldn't take any shit from anybody yeah she'd set up the stuffed animals and she'd pretend she was a teacher and you just let her go like for three hours a day like we were watching a kid who you know who would go into a fantasy world and it's i think that's just i think it's part of it yeah i think it's part of the condition isn't it that's that's always what i thought because i'm like there's no way this kid talks non-fucking stop at home like she's in her room not to me not to mary beth

Like Justin.

That's what we had a new little girl named Shanique, and she would come to the community center every day.

And as soon as she got there to the moment she left, she was teaching a fake class.

Now, granted, there were no ghosts, and she didn't have a gun

as part of her curriculum.

She didn't use a gun to keep the kids in line.

None of the kids had cracked faces.

Yeah, nothing bad happened.

Just a mean teacher.

But yeah, but she would be like, she would, all of a sudden, she would start yelling and freaking out.

And we're like, what's wrong?

What's wrong?

That kid's like, you know, that kid's being fresh.

no there was no kid there's a funny rabbit yeah

yeah she it's yeah they're they're very similar in yeah they would go into like very dramatic too like sage is very dramatic

yeah just play acting and creating scenarios but i guess you know there's no

harm i guess in being overly there's there's no harm in yeah proactive and making sure that everything's okay yeah it's like it's not like she's like oh now you're in a shrink for the rest of your life i guess we go a couple times, we see what he thinks or she thinks, and then go from there.

And how many years does she have left in school?

Three more years.

Because they go till they're 21.

But they don't have to go till they're 21.

I don't think so.

There was a part of me today that was like, I'm pulling her out of school.

Fuck the shit.

I mean, right?

I mean,

I would have the same inclination.

I was like, wait a second.

But then you got to babysit her all day.

Then she's home all day and not working and stuff.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I can get her a job.

Although we got a new employee as a child.

A new coach, a new office coach.

Kiddom's now under socks, sage.

Taking orders.

Actually, that was my first experience with anybody who had Down syndrome with Shanique.

Yeah.

And I remember seeing her.

I don't know if you were there that day, but the very first time I saw her, we were at the New Park.

It was a concert.

I'm pretty sure you were there.

And she was dancing, and her eyes were rolled up in her head.

Yeah.

And she was just spinning in circles.

Yeah, that was the first time I had ever seen

a kid with

Downs.

Was she Downs?

She was a sweet kid though, man.

Oh, she was awesome.

But like, she would just go into fantasy worlds and

keep herself, you know, occupied.

You know, so I, when, you know, when you said Sage did that stuff, you know, to me, that's like, oh, yeah, that probably is

how they, you know, how they

play act and stuff and go

and kill time.

Yeah, I guess so.

Yeah.

I mean, what else are you going to do?

Like, I sit there watching TV like a fucking zombie.

At least she's using her fucking imagination.

Fucking fat zombie.

Lying there.

I'm thirsty again.

Again.

Water me.

Yeah.

She was very, also very dramatic, Shanique.

Like, I was a lifeguard, and she was constantly pretending to drown and having me have to go out there and quote-unquote rescue her and shit.

Yeah.

And Sage does the same shit.

Like, she's dramatic.

Yeah, when you think back, they had very similar

tendencies and stuff.

Shane Gillis in his last, uh, in his last comedy special, he has a, I think, a niece or something that has Down syndrome.

Oh, uncle, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.

And they, uh,

and he's like, whenever somebody's like, oh, yeah, you know, your uncle has Down syndrome.

And I found this with Sage, too, is people like, oh, like, almost like they're sorry for you.

And it's just like, don't be sorry for me.

And Shane Gillis says it, but at best, he's just like, they are consistently the happiest fucking people I've ever seen in my life.

Don't feel bad for them.

It was a funny bit.

Yeah, it's a great bit.

I'm not sure if I can do it.

It was just like people are on Xanax.

They're on Capri's Sun.

It really made me laugh.

Yeah.

So the big deal today, we mentioned Overkill a little bit earlier, got a little bit of a friendly competition going on.

We have a couple guests in the studio today.

Hopefully, they'll be received a little bit better than Nelly.

Tom

Milajeshki.

Yeah, let's go with that.

Milanouski.

And now, Tom, I feel like

you kind of burst onto the scene in Tellum Steve Dave Town.

Not a lot of introduction on the regular show.

That is correct, yes.

Like a lot of people were like, Zero introduction.

Who the hell is Tom?

Yeah.

Like, you kind of like...

Why are we listening to him?

You kind of were

thrust upon the listeners on the Patreon side of things.

Yes, I agree with that.

So for those who are listening today, who is Tom Milisheski?

Yep.

I found out last night that

I've spelled his name wrong on every check I've ever given him.

Yes, yeah, but look at it.

The bank has cashed it every time.

You haven't corrected that?

You haven't gone to correct me?

The bank has cashed them, so we're good, yeah.

As long as the bank keeps cashing them.

Yeah.

Well, tell.

Six years in, I'm not correcting them at this point.

Tell for those who don't know who Tom

Milaszewski is,

who is Tom?

So I help write the all-new Sunday Jeff Show and TESD

and have helped them the last couple years with the Halloween specials, with dyslexia.

So, a lot of behind-the-scenes games I've helped you with.

And how did you?

You were just a listener.

I was just a listener, and

you reached out to me.

Yeah, when my daughter was born,

you asked me to be the godfather.

Yes, that is correct.

You turned me down.

But five years later,

I got second prize.

I got get him to be the godfather of my son.

That can't be true.

We had an episode of the Elder Sunday Jeff Show, and Giddam won the right to be his son's godfather.

Yes.

So if something happens to you and your wife, your son goes to get him.

Yeah, yeah.

Yes, that is correct.

I mean, he buys my kids' presents, and he always asks.

That, I believe.

He really does.

Giddam does take the responsibility.

He takes his godfathering job seriously.

He's a very sweet guy.

He brought your son boots, right?

Yes, he did.

Yes.

What's that?

Into the mic.

Into the mic.

I can hear you.

Yeah, okay.

Kim's giving me hand signals over there.

Like, where am I talking into if not the mic?

Oh, okay.

I got to look at Brian.

All right.

Staring me the entire time.

Anything we should know about you?

What are you into?

What are your hobbies?

What moves you?

How'd you find the show?

How'd you find the show originally?

Originally, I actually

from

IJ.

I wasn't a first-time listener, so I found it from Impractical Jokers.

That's going to make you feel good.

Yeah, I am bringing in the fucking

gun to the ball.

I think quite a few people have come from IJ.

Yeah, we've

gotten quite an audience from sure,

but not a

critical member,

a contributor.

Yes, yeah.

Yeah.

And yeah, after my daughter was born,

I was very, very overweight.

And I found

you, Dave.

Yes, it was.

Yes.

This is the after picture.

The before picture was way different.

And I started listening to the podcast when I walked every day.

So I just caught up real quick.

And

I want to say it was like March of 2018.

You know the exact date.

Don't try to fool anybody.

No, no, no.

Here's why

your anniversary today.

Here's why I know it.

The reason I know it is because I sent you a St.

Patrick's Day game.

That's how I know what it was.

And

you were like, oh, I'm going to use it on the show.

And then you didn't because I think Kevin had his heart attack right when that happened, when that episode was supposed to come out.

So you contacted me like a month later and you were like, Hey, we're getting started on this Patreon.

Do you want to start coming up with some ideas?

Because at that point, I think I was helping you with some dyslexias and possibly the Halloween.

So when Patreon started, I started helping you out with the all-new Sunday Jeff show.

Like, you didn't appear on Mike right away.

Like, and then one time I invited you to come down.

And then.

And Giddam tried to ban me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He said, hey, Walt, this guy claims he's here to sit in on the show.

And he was like security at the time.

I love that, though, because you got people trying to sneak in.

Yeah.

And then, you know, you just started to just show up, and then you became a full-time member of the cast.

Yes.

Yep.

Showing that it can happen to anybody.

You never know what.

Beefy Boys with a dream.

That's what we lack on this show.

Beefy Boys with a dream.

Now he's beloved.

Yeah.

Now he's here.

Yeah.

He's here.

That's good enough.

It's like I'm probably like, right, a get him status.

Some love, some hate, more hate.

And we have also another guest, Will Rogers.

And now, Will, you've appeared on the regular TSD on the Halloween special from two years ago?

Yeah, it was the 2022 Halloween special.

So one year ago.

Yeah.

Going on two.

Yeah, going on two.

Yeah.

And how did you find the show?

Long time ago.

So I was,

I listened to Smodcast, and when you guys would do the show, they were so goddamn funny.

And so when I found out that you were...

Oh, you better believe I'm here to win.

I can't go home a loser.

But so, no, I was thrilled when you started your own show because those were some of my favorite episodes of Smodcast.

And so I've been here since day one.

Wow.

Wow.

With a ton of near misses throughout the years, too.

I've made weird contact that you guys probably don't even remember going way back to the beginning.

You're like, what do you mean, weird?

So, here's, I have a whole

way back at the stats.

Sometimes, actually, I do know where Walt lives because of your mail.

I realized I was like, this is risky.

You put a lot of faith in people.

Oh, in the listeners?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you know, a lot of people say that you can't believe how many people email and be like, I just got my Patreon gifts.

Dude, I don't know if you know this, but your address is on the package.

And I'm like, yeah, I know.

I couldn't fucking figure out how to take the address off.

And they wouldn't accept the mail.

So I was like, you know what?

I'm going to have to fucking roll the dice.

All the ants are good people because

just be cool.

Cool ants.

No, a million years ago, you used to tweet when you would record the stash.

And you used to let people come in and sit in when you were recording.

Yeah.

So I actually

told me this.

That's funny.

So I saw you tweet that you were going to record.

And so I hit you.

And I was like, hey, are you letting people drop in?

I'd love to stop by.

And you said, yeah.

So I told my sister I couldn't go to her birthday party and I started driving down to the stash.

This is funny.

And I came in and you were all at the back around the poker table.

And

I sat down.

You asked me my name.

And then very abruptly you went, now we have to talk business.

So can you go sit and serve taco for a while?

So I went over to serve taco and I was just waiting.

I was like nervous.

I had like those butterflies, you know.

And like 20 minutes went by, 45 minutes went by.

Oh, God.

And then I was like, I don't know what's going on.

So I went and I peeked my head over at the stash and the lights were off and the door was locked.

You got the Jimmy the hair guy treatment.

Yeah.

And I was like, well,

I guess I'm done here.

I think what happened, I think we, I think it was, that was after Sandy and I think we were, we had a very, like,

We had a lot to discuss that night and we decided to go to across the street to eat and we forgot about him and then we did we

all three of us all three of us went all across the street to eat and talk business and

we never went back to record we decided we weren't even going to record that night okay and we just went home and we forgot he was will was over there waiting oh poor will roger how did that feel you know i've that confusing long drive home yeah no i got to i think i made the second half of my sister's birthday it was good it was it was okay right but i never forgave you guys amazing you're sitting here today and not being like, fuck those guys.

Well, there's more.

Fuck me forever.

There's more.

Oh, we would.

Dude, do you want more?

We dissed you even more?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Tom, we hardly dissed you, man.

This is coming out of last year.

I mean, you dissed me.

You just called me fat like five minutes ago.

That's like little brother.

All right.

How about this one?

So a few years ago, you're doing what say you?

Yeah.

And you and Sal said, hey, we're going to be at the Stress Factory.

Domerrera is doing a show.

People are coming by.

I think you guys said that you were going to be by.

Not you, Walt.

But so my wife and I went and I saw you.

And I talked to you for, I don't know, a handful of minutes.

And I was talking about how I had done stand-up a couple of times, like open mic night stand-up.

And I was in the middle of telling you a story about some guy who I had seen recently who got on stage and just had a therapy session and started crying about, like, he basically went from like, hi, my name's Tim to like, my brother's the tough guy of the family.

And, you know, he knocks me around.

And I was like, it's like, this guy treated stand-up like his own therapy.

And I was like, he was just drunk.

And then you walked up, Q.

Yeah.

And you go, what's going on?

And Bri says, he's telling me about some drunk guy on stage.

Yeah.

Like, you know, made everyone uncomfortable.

And then you,

Q, not you.

No, well, then Q looked over at me quickly and he went, well, maybe you shouldn't have been such a drunk fucking asshole.

And then he went, come on, Brian, let's get out of here.

And I ended up just standing there.

I was like, boy.

I was like, what happened?

I was not the drunk asshole.

I actually thought that he was talking about himself.

I think you misunderstood what was going on, and I was like,

this all did not go according to.

Two down?

That stood two.

Yeah.

All right.

So how about another one?

Yeah.

There's another one?

Yeah, there's another one.

Okay.

All right.

There's times where you left at the altar before you take the hit, Will.

I never give up.

So this actually, technically, this wasn't you guys.

Well, it's sort of you guys.

So I've been doing podcasts for about a decade.

And way back in the early Smodcast days, they would let you buy ads on any of the shows.

So I spent like 300 bucks trying to get an ad on Tell'em, Steve Davis, because you guys started doing ads.

But I didn't find out until way later you didn't want to do ads for other podcasts.

So they kept going to Ming.

So

they just, they wouldn't tell me.

And then all of a sudden, it'd be like, Ming's doing another ad.

And at the time, I was doing a show with my writing partner.

It was called Will and Bobby Know Everything.

Don't do it anymore, but the name is relevant.

So they do one ad.

This would be Mike and Ming.

It was Mike and Ming.

Okay.

Because it was on whatever.

I guess I sell comics, I guess.

I don't know.

Or this morning show.

This morning show.

Stop pounding those.

Oh, I'm hitting the table.

I do that a lot.

So they did one ad for Will and Bobby Know Everything.

And then a month later, I was like, can you please send this ad to Tell him, Steve, Dave?

And they never responded to me, and it went to Ming again.

And so they were like, your ad's going to be on this episode of Ming's Show.

So I tuned in, and Mike starts to transition to the ad.

And he goes, looks like we've got another ad here for something called Will and Bobby Know Everything.

And Ming interrupts and goes, yeah, they know everything.

They know about how to get a free ad read.

We already did this one.

And they just move on.

They didn't do the spot.

Did you pay for it?

I paid for it.

Oh, God.

I've been trying to make contact for years.

And I finally got my foot in the door.

And I think that same like month, Jimmy the Hair guy appeared.

And and he completely

I love Jimmy but he completely overshadowed any shot I had in the spotlight so I'm here to win wow I appreciate you Tom but I am here to destroy you that's fine you so what you're talking about Will is that

Will has sent me multitude of ideas as well as Tom has and one of the ideas he sent in to me was he wanted to come on Telm Steve Dave and be the overkill guy where he would bring overkill stories to the table that then we could discuss.

He's, I guess, he has got a passion for the weird.

But Tom also sent me the same idea.

And I felt like, well,

who do I give this coveted role to, you know, to come in like once or twice

every couple months and do an overkill episode with us?

So I thought,

well, I do notice, is that a Blair Witchpin you have going on there?

Yes.

Okay, so he's into the heart.

I'm wearing the overkill shirt from you guys right now.

They're trying.

They're both trying.

They came dressed to impress.

I actually contributed to the Blair Witch franchise.

Did you?

Tell me not the second one.

No, not the second one.

I wish I contributed to the second one.

What a wonderful catastrophe.

No, I worked on a game in the universe.

I'm technically a character in the franchise because of that.

Really?

Writer, media producer.

Yeah.

He's got a pedigree.

He also has, you know, he also has a radio voice.

And Tom does not.

So if you're like

Will is to Tom is like Rod Serling is to like Pee Wee Herman.

So when you're going to be bringing these really weird stories, you want to have that voice to bring it, to make it even weirder.

When the ghost appeared,

it's me, Tom.

You're a host.

Is there any way you can work on your voice a little bit?

Give it a little bit more baritone.

A little bit deeper.

More like Rod Serling.

You want me to go deeper than this?

It sounds like his voice, but not deeper.

Yeah.

I really go down low.

Hello.

Yeah, there you go.

Hello, Mr.

Johnson.

Yeah, there you go.

I couldn't possibly talk like this

all the time, though.

Wow.

So, what makes you want to be Tom?

What makes you want to be the overkilled guy?

What is it?

Because you have so many duties and responsibilities otherwise.

Is it the prestige?

Or is it the love of the meeting?

He's a Sunday Jeff, though.

Well, he has a Sunday Jeff show.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

He's got the

know about that DNA.

I don't know about that DD.

That D D one did not be many people are.

They're not crazy for you?

That's not crazy for us.

I had fun on that episode.

I played Walter.

That one had fun, but yeah, it's my fault, though.

Yeah.

I'm the reason why most people are.

Oh, because you're too argumentative.

Yeah, too argumentative.

That's actually another one of the ways that I've been slighted.

I was invited last year to be on TV.

Now it's tipping.

Now it's tipping it.

He's just complaining.

I was invited

about shit.

An invitation was extended and then retracted.

And I don't know why.

That's only because we've kind of like, you know, slowed down the production of that show.

Just add it to the pile is my point.

We're looking for a mid-season replacement for it.

But to your point, yes,

I'm into the weird, the cryptids,

different religious mythologies throughout history.

We can spell out a poser.

No, no, no.

Don't worry about that.

We'll say that.

Suss him out.

Yes.

Hauntings, things of that nature.

So I'm very much into those conspiracies, everything like that.

So that would be my reasoning for wanting to be the overkill guy.

Okay.

You're super into it.

Yes.

All right.

What about you, Will?

I mean, there are only so many ways you can say same.

Same.

Now, but, you know, my entire life I've been obsessed with the paranormal and horror specifically.

I actually do a show called Guide to the Unknown.

It's a podcast all about horror movies, urban life.

Mystery spots in.

So what do you need to do too?

I know everything.

I got 300 bucks of spots coming in.

Yeah, exactly.

You guys owe me as far as I'm concerned.

Guide to the unknown.

Scaryfun.fun is my website.

No, I'm obsessed with

Top Fun?

Is it thing?

Is it an extension?

ScaryFun.com was like $8,000, and scaryfun.fun made me laugh.

So, yeah, we've been doing a show all about horror every single week for six years.

Wow.

Yeah, no, it's a topic that never gets tired to me.

Even the stuff that I'm not particularly a fan of.

Do you make money off that show?

I do.

Oh, so he's a professional, guys.

Yeah, actually.

Well, Tom makes money.

I mean, I make money off of that show.

No, but he's the horror, specifically the horror cryptid weirdo business.

That's a professional.

Actually, we just signed with Bloody Disgusting's podcast network, Bloody FM.

Yeah.

Just spoke.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway.

Tom always, you know, I think he likes to play the role, you know, the underdog role.

Yeah.

He thrives as the underdog.

He's a sub.

That's right.

I don't think he's the underdog in this situation because he has a presence already.

He's on shows.

He runs shows.

He's just trying to make sure no one else could eat.

Is he the underdog?

I almost got nine other podcasts.

He's eaten just.

Not the tell him Steve Dave.

Yeah, one other podcast.

So how are we going to handle this?

We have you guys brought in stories.

How many stories did I ask you guys to bring in?

You told us nothing.

That's why I told you.

That's why I did it on purpose.

Let's see what you did there.

Before we even get into that,

let me just read this very quickly.

Because Tom earlier, he confided in me.

He's like, look, I'm not cutting it in the bedroom.

My wife has a couple bowls coming in weekly.

Yeah.

Weekly?

I don't know what to do.

So I said,

you just hold on, Tom, because I got something for you.

It's called Blue Chew.

This episode is sponsored by Blue Chew.

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All right.

Now we can get down to the business of spookiness, scariness.

This is something close to all our hearts.

Me, you, and

me, you, and Walt.

We've loved hard since we were kids.

Um, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I find myself as I get older, though.

I don't know if I want to to be as scared as much as I used to when I was younger.

I find slasher shit I'm not nearly as into

as when I was younger.

And I think I may have even said this before.

I think I read somewhere it has to do with mortality where like the older you get the more you realize like holy shit I could die.

Whereas when you're a kid you're not even thinking of that shit.

Who do you want to go first?

I don't know.

Let's flip a coin.

Yeah, the old coin flip.

The old coin flip.

So you didn't like the

terrifier movies?

I did see the terrifier movies.

I enjoyed the first one.

The second one, I was like, why the fuck is this so long?

Yeah.

It's like two and a half hours or something.

It was way too long.

And no titties.

There had to be titties in the second one.

No titties in the second one.

No.

Don't tell me there were no titties in the second one.

The girl who is the starlet in that is an active advocate for no titties in horror movies.

Really?

She wants it to go the way of the dodo.

Well, I mean, that's a fine choice for her to make.

Why don't she got to put on the horse?

I don't know if she has to ruin everybody else's fun.

If she were like, look, I don't want sex scenes in movies, I'd be okay with that because I find sex scenes to be really boring.

Yeah.

Unless they're showing titties.

What is up with that?

I wonder that's curious.

Like, they're a bad thing, aren't they?

I thought they're the one thing that all of humanity could agree upon.

Yeah.

That's what I thought, too.

But not that.

It's just a wonderful thing.

Yeah, I forget her name, but

I'm no fan of hers.

All right.

Anyone who's anti-titty is not for me.

Well, anytime I think a slasher movie, like Modern Day, that's kind of where I'm at.

Tom, call it heads of tails.

Heads.

It is tails.

Oh, there you go.

go.

So I've already won.

There you go.

So we'll run.

We'll just go home.

Yeah.

So

I actually prepped a number of.

Well, we're going to do the music.

Should we leave some for the overkill theme?

Do you want to throw it in right now?

Yeah, we'll put a little bit of it.

We'll put it in the bed.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

I want to make sure we do this right, you know.

There was actually

a thread on Reddit.

where somebody was talking about how they wanted more overkill.

And I commented and I said, I love overkill.

I love the paranormal.

I'm into it.

And they said, well, actually,

you can talk to Walt and just ask him to do it, right?

It's like, it's not that easy.

But I decided to throw a Hail Mary.

So knowing the Patreon format, like every month there's a new type of show, I wrote out a list of a whole year's worth of overkill.

See you later, Tom.

Wow.

That doesn't mean the stories are up to snuff, though.

That's true, yeah.

They might be basic.

They might just be like kind of like, you know, we might find them, you you know, there's not much meat on those bones, some of those stories he brings.

That's definitely a risk.

Let's see what happens.

You got to play to all three of us in our interests.

Yeah, you know, we ain't pedestrians here.

I know.

So actually, here, I know that some of the reason that, and you tell me if I'm off base, I think some of the reason that Overkill, maybe you guys started to fade on doing it all the time, is there wasn't a good consensus on what Overkill was supposed to be.

Is it exclusively tales of the paranormal?

Is there true crime involved?

What are we working with here?

Am I a part of the episode?

Because then there's serial killers and true crime.

Yeah, right.

I have yet to get the format.

That's why Walt never put me in charge of it.

I'm trying to figure it out.

Well, so some of what I tried to do, I tried to block out my year of programming to give a decent amount of variety to sometimes hit some of those topics, Bri, like those true crimey elements, sometimes lean heavily into the paranormal.

I wanted to hit all four corners of the demographic.

Jesus Christ, man.

What do they call them in the industry?

Like four wall, four wall?

Need a four wall.

It's going to appeal to everybody.

Four quadrant.

Four quadrants.

Four quadrant.

Four quadrant.

Yeah.

Pretend I said that.

That sounds pretty good.

Yeah.

Have you ever had your IQ measured?

No, I have not, and I don't want to.

All right, no, because I know that, but Tom knows, right?

You know your IQ?

Yeah.

This has never come out.

Oh,

is he a boy genius?

148?

He doesn't think that Gidem is being.

Oh, he thinks he's not legit?

Yeah, I think he's a lit 148 because

he's in the 140s.

He's the 140s, Yeah, I don't think.

I think

making us look dumb.

Well, they're coming to us for jobs.

Don't worry about it.

What does that tell you about life?

Oh, kidding aside, though, I think Tom might be

when push comes to shove, he might be the smartest person in TSD town.

Tom?

Yeah, I really do.

Look at him.

Look at him.

He's got rid of mortal enemies.

I find that, you know, that he is pretty knowledgeable on an amazing

amount of topics.

You know, it's not just one thing.

How is he to talk to?

It's easy.

Easy.

Yeah, it's easy.

How often, how many times a day does he frustrate you?

Tom?

Well, you know what?

He's not around as much as Giddam, which is it plays in his favor if you're going to talk about the annoyance factor.

Sure.

So, you know,

body language.

I understand when you're like, this isn't a good time to talk to Walt.

Let's leave him alone.

Yeah, you understand sarcastic.

Yes, right?

All good qualities.

All right, sorry, Will.

Go ahead.

No, no, no.

That's fine.

So I actually, you know, I prepped a decent amount of generalized, like, bucket topics, but I did sort of highlight the three that I think are particularly fun.

You want to hear those?

Sure.

We'll go with your first one, your first story.

I got the alternate stories.

I don't want to, I don't want to, we want you to guide this, right?

We don't want to

weigh in.

Yeah, do what you think is right.

Okay, sure thing.

So let's talk about urban legends.

Urban legends, I think everybody is familiar with at least one that stands out in their memory.

What are the ones that spring to mind?

He's the big guy.

Well, Candyman's a motion picture.

I wouldn't call that an urban legend.

Like Cropsey.

That was a studio.

I thought it was based on something, though.

I thought it was based on something.

I'm wrong.

I'll go to our expert.

Cropsy.

Well, Cropsey is certainly qualified as an urban legend to speak to him.

But he was real, though.

Yeah, but what grew out of it, you know, was he became like a supernatural, like you go in the woods, murderer type thing.

Right, but I guess I hear what you're saying.

I understand that.

So you're saying urban legend not based on something?

I think urban legend is like alligators in the sewers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But everything has a point of view.

And Bloody Mary.

Starts with Bloody Mary, I was going to say.

So there technically is an actual definition to the term urban legend.

This was a term that was coined by, you know, professors in, say, the 50s.

The entire point of the term urban legend was to differentiate from old world folklore.

You think of like a troll living under a bridge or

somebody living in a swamp.

Yeah.

Or posting on Reddit.

Well, what this guy, Jan Harold Brunvand, had started to notice is that all of a sudden he was hearing his students tell stories that were distinctly modern tales that had no discernible point of origin.

If you go out on Lover's Lane, that guy with the hook hand might try to grab onto your door handle.

Well, this was folklore, no different from hearing about a witch, you know, living out in the woods, except for the fact that it was modern storytelling.

So the term urban legend was never about being in an urban or rural society.

It was just supposed to be urban stuff is new.

These legends are new.

Urban legends.

And so.

Like Slender Man.

He would be annoying.

Super new.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, Slender Man is, I think, Slender Man's Man's a really fun, interesting case because that's also like purely internet stuff.

Right.

You know, I think that's probably the next dividing line.

Creepypasta?

Yeah, creepy pasta.

Is that still around?

Oh, yeah.

Creepy pasta?

Yeah.

They've actually now, creepypastas have largely become so sort of like popular and nothing's mainstream anymore.

You know, everybody gets their own sort of corner of the internet.

But in the creepypasta corner of the internet, there are people that deliberately try to write quote-unquote creepypastas to try to make an impact.

And it never hits the same as as on the internet 15 years ago.

I don't know what creepypasta is.

It's a website that has tons of like urban legend type stuff on it.

A lot of them are user inspired that they write in.

I see.

Okay.

Yeah.

And a lot of them came from like fan fiction?

No.

So creepypastas, why it's even called creepypastas, because it's a goofy term.

So anytime that somebody would copy and paste something on the internet, like, you know, here's a famous story about a famous person, almost like chainmail.

Copy and send, copy and send, post it all over the place.

People started to refer to that as copy pastas okay then it started happening with scary stories creepy pastas creepypastas but so you would get these like really minute stories one of my favorite ones is called the subway ride where it's uh a woman is going home at night after work in new york city and she's on the subway alone and then three people get on two guys dragging like a super drunk woman, like her head is lolling around.

And these two guys sit on a bench with that really drunk lady between them and they're just staring at the lone woman on the subway.

They get to the next stop, and a man gets on.

And he's staring at this woman, too.

And she's like, what the hell?

Like, how much danger am I in?

And then this single stranger walks over and goes, get off with me at the next stop.

And she feels so threatened by everyone, but doesn't know what to do.

So finally, at the next stop, she does escape with this new guy.

And he goes, I'm sorry if I scared you.

But I'm a doctor.

That woman sitting between the two guys was dead.

And they were propping her up.

And I didn't know what they would do to you.

It's a little urban legendy, right?

It's a story with a beginning, middle, and end.

You can almost imagine it as like some short anthology standalone story, but people start copying it, sharing it all the time.

Creepypasta.

It goes all the way up.

There was no twist to that, though?

Like, I thought the guy who got her off the train was going to murder her, then.

I know.

You would almost think that it starts to set up for the double subversion.

But that's where it's like, you know, in early internet, you can't tell,

did this ever happen?

Is there any kernel of truth to this whatsoever?

Is this their first story?

No, that was just a creepypasta exactly.

Yeah, no, it was just

taking a little long to get there for you.

All right, I apologize.

I apologize.

Yeah, I have a tendency to go around.

I'm feeling a little family circus Billy action going on here.

Most circuitous route to overkill.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Someone brought up creepypastas.

What am I supposed to do?

All right.

How about the babysitter and the man upstairs?

This is probably the urban legend.

The call is coming from inside the house.

The calls coming from inside the house.

I think everybody knows this story.

When A Stranger Calls.

Or, yeah, we just watched that movie.

Oh, did you?

Yeah, me again, it was on Pluto.

Remember, the calls coming from inside the house?

Carol Kane.

Yeah.

It also happened in Taxi.

Black Christmas, didn't it?

Black Christmas.

Yep, that's another great example.

I think the Black Christmas movie actually might come out before.

Yeah, that was like 74, I think.

I think so.

Yeah, an early slasher.

And I think the other one was 76 or 77, When A Stranger Calls somewhere.

No, that's later.

Or even later.

That's 80s.

Oh, that's 80s?

Because I lived in Highlands.

I saw it at you.

Oh, that's right.

So in Red Bank.

Yeah.

So one of the reasons that I think the babysitter and the man upstairs is so impactful is, and it's a good example of why I think urban legends are so popular and why horror is so meaningful to so many people.

is I started researching the story of the babysitter and the man upstairs, and I found out that it's based on an actual real-life case.

There was a young girl named Janet Christman who was babysitting and supposedly was receiving threatening phone calls, called for the police to try to call for help, and then the line goes dead.

Later, she's found dead.

And it struck me, and I don't know what you guys think about, you know, everything that I'm telling you right now, but it occurred to me when I was thinking about why this story, why would this story become the one that everybody knows the phone call is coming from inside the house?

Because somebody added that detail later.

You know, we tell each other stories.

We're social creatures.

Details get added in the telling.

And I realized that it's about the phone.

It was one of the first times that people had phones in their home.

This Janet Christman story is from the 50s.

And so we were getting to a point where it was so common to have a phone in your home, but uncommon to have two lines in your home.

And I think that people started to almost take in this new technology that was in your house and say, hey, what's the scariest possible thing that can happen if you've got two phones in your your house?

People are always afraid of technology.

People are afraid of society advancing in any way.

And so I think this story really hit onto some sort of like a primal fear of like progress.

It used to be if somebody called you, the one thing you know for sure is that they're not in your house.

They're somewhere else.

And now all of a sudden they could be in your home.

And I think that's also why Scream in the 90s, cell phones,

the one thing you thought you knew is if somebody's calling you, they're tethered by a wire.

Well, shit, now with cell phones, they could be right behind you

what do you think well you don't like that i don't know i think you have an opportunity to knock our socks off and

you bring phone horror

old phone horror we already know yeah like and like can you imagine a world where you had two lines in a house in a home like i don't know

i don't know i don't know if that was weirding me out i don't know like the 50s i don't know if that's giving me the goosebumps that i thought you know

i was gonna get tonight you know yeah fair Fair enough.

Listen, I can only be what I'd say.

It seems a little, if I was to critique it.

I do like the backstory, though.

I never knew that was the actual origin of the story.

It's not scary because all you're doing is explaining history on a story we already know.

I think you need sensational headlines, man.

Some red meat to flop on the table for everybody to ooh and all with.

You're doing a little bit of a history thing here.

I think you got to go for shock value, bud.

Give every some of the shit.

He's got another story.

Yeah, two more.

That's just his first attempt.

I'm done.

I'm out of here.

I'm out.

You'll try again in a few years.

What do you think, Bri?

I liked the backstory, but I did not expect you to lead off with a story that was so familiar to all of us.

Like, I thought you were going to come with something like, hey, here's...

And this is the problem that I have with Overkill.

It's like, I go and look stuff up, and I'm like, all this shit is either so fucking corny that I can't even bring it to the table, or like, like, we're already aware of it.

You know, it's hard to find new gripping stuff in the paranormal, I'm feeling.

Oh,

I think there's plenty.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I think there's plenty of shit that, you know, the dark web exists.

I don't know.

Will I don't know if you've just, if you thought about going on the dark web before tonight and

gathering some stories, but if you didn't, I know my man Tom probably did, right?

I know my audience.

Dark web.

You got it.

One of my other audience.

I'm going to show you how to get onto the dark web.

It's not like darkweb.com, right?

You don't need a special computer?

I don't think so.

I think you just need a special server.

You need a computer that you could destroy at a moment's notice, like a second computer.

Like a

special

browser.

One of my other bolded topics that I didn't bring.

I went for a story from the 50s that you all know.

What was I thinking?

My other bolded topic was Tales of the Dark Web.

Oh, nice.

That's your second story?

No, it was just one of the other ones that I thought was.

Again, I didn't,

with zero guidance, I didn't come with a story that I thought was going to knock all your stuff

which one of your favorite overkill topics uh wow I got to tell you I never understood I I'm still not sure where everything shook at with that Prussian kissing devil if I'm being perfectly honest it's right there it's right there

you can look at it you can touch it you can donate five dollars

some of my money don't you understand

some of my money is actually in there did you donate to it ever I did when it when it first

hit on the scene yeah he got a part I I mean, he's got his foot in the door.

Yeah, you're right.

This is the $5.

All my wishes came true.

No, I was always fascinated.

I love the idea that you guys would start to get into, like, let's bring something in that is tan.

Trumpy kind of just fucking reality.

We tried to turn Prussian Kissing Devil into Slender Man.

Didn't have it.

Didn't take.

Do I get extra points because I actually did bring...

Something in tonight.

Oh.

You get points taken away if you don't talk into the mic.

I was talking to the mic.

You were looking at Will's.

I was trying.

All right.

Well, let's

Are we done with Will's first story?

We're not going back and forth.

Well, what's to talk about, really?

Again, that's the whole thing I'm bringing up.

What's to talk about?

What's to talk about?

We're dependent upon a man, our overkill guy, to bring stories.

And his first story, we're like, well, what do we talk about?

You heard it.

Right.

That's all right.

He's calibrating, man.

He's calibrating.

Let him calibrate.

That's why he's got

three shots at him.

Right.

In my defense, may I just say, I feel like the typical tell him Steve Dave fashion is to bring something to the table, it gets devoured and ripped apart, and then you try to reassemble some of the pieces to see if you can.

Please get him over there shaking his head.

As if you didn't deserve anything

any of the times we ripped you to shreds.

Nothing, okay, nothing on it to do a lot of things.

Well, what?

What's

I mean, we know the story.

I know.

Yeah.

And it's not really like, I guess you could be like, well, what would you do if that you were in that situation?

But yeah, if you got a phone call.

But we all have

some prank calls.

Well, that's why this segment was less...

I guess what I was envisioning was less specifically about that case.

I was more curious about your interest in urban legends.

In your head, where did you think the conversation would go?

What did you think we would

tag up on that story?

I was going to provide one that I liked that I thought I had a little bit of research on on the back end.

And then say, are there any urban legends that like every one of my topics is like a bucket of a concept.

So that episode would not be about the babysitter and the man man upstairs.

It would be about urban legends, maybe several of which have turned out to have some foot in truth.

And hopefully, it might ping in the three of you some familiarity with urban legends, maybe a fondness for them, a particular urban legend that you like that jumps to mind.

I feel like the best presentation is like when Walt drags something out and presents it as truth and then defends it to the existence.

Well, everything I did bring to the table, I believed in.

Yeah.

You know, a number station.

Right.

You know,

it exists.

Nobody Nobody knows why.

Right.

I want to ask you guys, like, what do you think it could be?

Yeah, that's just a little layer of mystery and speculation.

And

we could play some examples of a number station on an audio podcast.

One of my favorite overkills is the recording in hell that you brought over, right?

Like, that's unexplained.

Could be anything.

A lot of extra takes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

But all right, all right, we got it.

We got it.

It's calibrating.

The man's calibrating.

All right, Tom.

Okay.

So i've decided to go the other way with mine i want to i've learned over the years you guys get distracted very easily you get bored so i want to hit what i've decided are the six pillars

world so each episode that i'm brought in i will have a story about each one And each story we'll spend about six minutes on.

Well, now, all right, right away, my main concern with you is length.

That's why I said six minutes.

You two, you tend to drag things out.

That and right back in you.

And I've taken that advice.

Now we're doing six minutes, six stories.

And that's why I've taken your advice.

Yeah.

And we've limited it.

We're going to do quick cuts.

Okay.

So, with that being said, I do like, I like six pillars.

Yeah.

Six pillars of the paranormal.

That sounds like a show I'd watch.

Yes.

I love that name, six pillars of the paranormal.

A little mythology going on.

So my pillars are extraterrestrial phenomenons, aliens.

That's a solid pillar.

Secret societies.

Great.

Mythical entities and cryptid creatures.

Psychic abilities and spiritual manifestations.

That's all.

Hauntings, ghosts, demons.

Government conspiracies.

Oh, classic.

And time travel.

Oh,

my favorite type of travel.

I didn't hear anything about true crime in there, so I'm just going to make it.

I did not.

There's only six pillars.

That is correct.

Yes.

And I did not feel that that fell into the overkill category of how I wanted to lead my show.

All right.

My show.

My segment of the show.

What do you feel is the most important pillar?

I don't think there is a most important pillar.

You have to pick one.

Well, I don't.

No, I don't.

You have to pick one.

So I feel, okay, I feel that each one has different, each time will have some strengths and negatives going into it.

If I had to pick one, I'm going to say secret societies.

Okay.

Okay.

Just curious.

I'm just trying to get a feel for the type of show you would create.

Yep.

But each one is dedicated to do the best for each one.

But some of them you guys may not like, but out of the six, I feel there's talking points going in.

Can I give you an example?

My first one for talking points?

Sure.

All right.

I'm going to do secret society.

Have you guys ever heard of the Explorers Club?

Have not.

No.

It was founded in New York City in 1904.

It's for the meeting of explorers and scientists alike.

Their goal is to plant their flag around the world in the most obscure places possible, such as the moon, Mariana Trench, and Mount Everest.

Those are their goals.

Yes, and they've done them.

They've already got one on the moon.

Yes.

So some of their famous members.

Some of their famous members.

Where's the Mariana Trench?

It's the deepest part of the ocean.

That's pretty easy.

You just float over it and tie it to a rock and drop it down.

So some of their members.

Some of their members.

But go back to that moon thing.

I don't want to distract you.

So, you're saying an astronaut is one of the explorers?

That's exactly what I'm going with.

Yes, Walpole.

Do you know which astronaut it is?

Yes.

I'm going to tell you some of the famous members.

Okay.

Teddy Roosevelt?

Walter Cronkite?

Sir Edmund Hillary?

A newscaster?

Buzz Aldrin.

Yes, but Walter Cronkite has been around the world, seen it there a lot of places.

He's planting flags everywhere he goes.

Yes.

And most recently, two of the members were actually on the ill-fated Titan that sunk last year.

Really?

Yes, two of the members.

So now was it a cleanup job?

You got to wonder.

They knew too much, you think?

Yeah.

But

they didn't know enough not to get enough.

No, they did not.

With a PlayStation fucking controller guiding them, they were like, yeah, I'll get on.

It's still insane.

When you just buy money, it's not like it's faded in its insanity at all.

It's like, they did what?

Yeah.

It's absolutely

lunacy that people got on that.

Like experienced seamen.

Like one guy

had been on it, been on multiple excursions.

Or is it an excursion when you go underneath the water?

It's an excursion anywhere you go.

Just a trip, basically.

So, but what they're most famously known for is their annual dinner, where they eat rare and extraordinary animals.

So I want to tell you what last year's menu consisted of.

Champagne garnished with goat penis dipped in freeze-dried cactus honey powder.

Hoisin glazed kangaroo.

Applewood bacon wrapped camel meatloaf.

Rattlesnake sliders on a pretzel bun.

And at one point, they had claimed that they ate a frozen woolly mammoth.

Oh, that one that got preserved somewhere?

Yes, in a cave.

Yes.

Those rattlesnake sliders don't sound up to the task of the other ones.

That one sounds easy on a pretzel bun.

Now, when you first mentioned this, I'm like, I want to try to become an explorer.

I want to join the club.

But as soon as I got to eat penis, I'm out.

Hold on, right?

That's why you dropped out of the four-colored penis, isn't it?

It's garnished with the penis.

It's not necessary.

I don't care what, if it's a penis from any fucking type of creature, I'm out.

I'll join a different secret club.

It doesn't have to eat penis.

So, would you guys, would you guys partake in a penis?

I'm not a secret.

Can anybody join this?

Yes, you can.

Can you apply for it?

I can apply for it.

Yes.

How do you talk yourself?

There's a website.

Yes, there actually is a website.

It's not very much of a secret society if they have a web presence.

That is true.

Yes.

But I mean, other than basically the Illuminati and two or three other ones, yes, there are.

But it is not a public website.

You still have to apply, get accepted, and only the elite because you have to plant flags in places or get sucked to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine.

So where have they not yet planted a flag that they're trying to get a flag?

Nowhere that I'm aware of yet.

Maybe

Mars?

Speculation.

There you go.

So that is speculation.

So they were able to...

Buzz Aldrin was able to get to the moon and plant a little flag that nobody has ever seen.

The Explorer's flag, yes.

The Explorer's flag?

Or is it a full-size flag like the American flag?

I don't know the size of the actual flag.

It's just that they planted them.

Is there photos?

Of the Explorer's flag?

I can look it up.

No, but

He didn't take a picture on the moon?

There's no cameras that take pictures of the moon like that.

What are you talking about?

On their body thing.

There's a thousand photos that they took that day on the moon.

Not on the Explorers.

Well, that's what I'm asking.

Did he ever turn the camera towards the.

So the answer is no.

I don't know if he was on.

Yeah, I'm not positive on that.

One thing I also noticed.

So, well,

with Buzz Aldrin, a guy that may have lied about the whole moonland thing to begin with, was supposed to take his word?

But also, when you think about it, Q,

look at the list of people who are in the Explorers.

Yeah.

No chicks.

Yeah.

A bunch of old white dudes.

Actually, I believe they do.

They do some wiggles.

Giddam is showing us a picture of the Explorers flag.

Do we need these Explorers?

I think not.

What are they explorers?

Their sexuality?

Eating penis?

Yeah, really.

Is Is that on their flag?

What was that picture, Gatam?

I know you wanted to show us a picture.

Is that their logo?

They do

not have a chevron logo.

2021, they do accept women.

They do accept women.

The pandemic must have hit the audience.

Like, what are we doing?

So, even they cave to the fucking pressure?

Which way are we doing with this?

Secret societies are going, woke.

What is this shit, man?

They added a little hashtag me too to their flag.

So, would you guys partake of the

air crane flag?

Oh, fuck no.

There's not one thing I heard that I would have eaten.

Why do you gotta eat gross shit just to be part of the club, you know?

Yeah.

Because it's not something that you can do.

You want to experience things at the

show blow the kangaroo jerk.

Yeah, but you can't do it.

Kangaroo.

Somebody brought in, somebody from Australia brought in kangaroo jerky.

That's not that's not a hoisting place can't be.

But a woolly mammoth.

A woolly mammoth?

Come on, you're only going to get one opportunity.

I might have a mammoth burger.

Who, you know, I don't trust any of them.

I don't even believe that's a woolly mammoth that they're eating.

Something else?

Where are they?

Just a regular old elephant.

It's frozen in a cave if they found it.

Did these guys hunt these fucking things or they just ordered it on Amazon?

They did not hunt them, I don't believe.

Yes, I believe they just sat down at a fancy dinner and the food was served to them.

It's not a hunter's club, it's an explorer's club, Q.

I feel like you can fool these people.

I feel like any chef can just be like, it's going to cost you $500,000 and it's going to be mammoth meat.

And then it's, you know, just a burger.

Did you say man-meat?

Come out.

Man, meat.

Come out.

Because I think the explorers are fucking chowing out on it.

Sounds like it.

Leave it to Tom to bring the fucking gay fuckers.

Well, it's going to get someone.

I was reading this to a buddy of mine.

And he just found the seventh pillar.

He goes, is that the one from the South Park episode where they were, and I was like, wait, is it?

And I was like, oh, no, it's not.

That's a super adventurous club.

I thought that was the Explorers Club that Chef was a part of that they were all hunting little kids on.

And I was like, oh, oh, I got to drop that.

But luckily, it was not the same.

I feel like, well, you would have the secrecy to be in the secret society.

Yeah.

But these rules they have, where, like, now, like, now you're rubbing elbows with the likes of Walter Cronkite and Buzz Aldrin.

They're eating all kinds of crazy stuff.

I mean, Teddy Roosevelt, too.

Teddy Roosevelt.

That was a man's man.

Yeah.

And again,

each episode.

I'm surprised he ate penis.

This was best.

I'll bet you that he had to be able to do that.

Teddy Roosevelt told me that he was aware of that.

He pulled out his musket and blew him off Cronkite's ear.

You fucking fuck.

Back when you can still say it.

Fuck you, Cronkite.

You shoot me.

Well played, Cronkite.

Well played.

You won't catch me next year, Ethanis.

So in the future, I can bring.

Remember, I said some are going to appeal to some, some will appeal to others.

So if the next episode, if I get the gig, I do a more secret society.

I'll take the feedback I get and come with one that doesn't have a public website.

Right.

Okay.

One that maybe only the elite of TBS can get into.

All right.

All right.

TBS.

Yeah.

That's where it's going to be.

I can't talk about it.

Oh, sorry.

There's an acronym for another secret acronym.

All right.

Well, Q, what do you think of Tom's first story?

I mean, it gave us a lot of threads to pull at.

And I think that's the most important thing to come.

Will right now is writing notes.

Okay, bring up

penis.

Yeah, you give opportunities for gay jokes.

I mean, that's really all we need.

I got five more penis.

Each colour's got a penis in it.

As long as we can do a gay joke.

It's fine.

It's fine.

We'll kill an hour.

Brian, what'd you think?

Tom's fun.

Yeah, I agree with Q in terms of like,

there were enough things to grab onto to make jokes about and have fun with.

And it wasn't,

I guess it wasn't so informative as

Will's.

Will's was rather straightforward and informative, given the backstory and the history, which I I enjoyed still.

But

probably better, right?

Yeah, in terms of

what would be best for the show, out of those two, it would definitely be Tom because it just

gives you so much more to tell.

Another shot now.

Yeah, let me see what I know the least about.

Let me check my notes to see something.

You gave Tom a dirty look when you said that, too.

Let me check the notes to see something I'm completely clueless about.

Just Google for 15 minutes.

There you go.

You did.

You fucked up.

You brought intelligence in there.

Now, here's the problem.

Your audience, Will.

I do sense that perhaps I need to pivot.

All right.

I'm just trying to take stock of how I feel emotionally real quick, and I'm sensing perhaps I came on a little smug, maybe came out of the gate a little strong.

All right.

So

here's what I will say.

I have no doubt that Tom would be able to come up with more than six episodes.

But let's face it, his list ends at six presently, while mine goes to the most frightening number of all time, 13.

Well, I mean, I wasn't told to come up with any more than just one episode.

You weren't told anything.

Correct, yes.

So I came up with a pitch idea, not a year's worth of programming.

But, I mean, my backstory is I've been doing the All-New Sunday Jeff show for almost six years at this point, and I haven't run ideas, have I yet, Walt?

No comment.

Yeah, no, no,

I've heard your work.

So let me back things up.

I gave you a potential topic that I would want to bring to the table and focus on for a given episode.

But here's truly what the pitch is.

I bring to you, tell them, Steve, Dave, Overkill, back from the grave.

13 episodes monthly on a number of different topics, culminating in a grand finale that tests all the knowledge that we have together accumulated over the past year.

You got to remember shit from a year ago?

They're out, Will.

That's the game.

You got to know these guys, man.

They are not interested in doing homework.

I know, but they are not interested in doing anything like that.

I ain't doing it in high school.

I ain't doing it now.

That's why the episode 13.

I would like a 30-minute clip of just Bryce saying, I didn't understand the assignment.

I didn't understand the assignment right here.

Episode 13 is more to cater to Walt's interest in game shows, to be fair.

Okay.

So.

Here are some of the topics that I would want to focus on.

One, local haunts.

I'm familiar with many websites.

One of them is hauntedplaces.org that focuses on different...

It's almost like it drops pins on the map around you to tell you different places that are supposedly haunted.

The spy house, just about 10 minutes away from here, is supposedly the most haunted house in America.

And most boring.

Have you ever been there?

I live in the

corner from there.

You're right there.

So what I've heard.

I've never heard of this before, the spy house?

Yeah, I basically could see it from my window.

What is it?

Go on.

I'm intrigued.

So what I would want to do is I would want to look at the story of the spy house itself, but you know that there are a thousand other places that claim to be the most haunted house in America.

So this episode would be to talk about all of the most haunted houses and eventually determine, you know, amongst us, our general consensus, which is actually the most haunted.

What about the spy house?

What's going on there?

It doesn't have any information on it right now.

Yeah, I don't, I don't know anything.

Oh, oh, okay, okay, okay.

So, a format you're pitching.

Yeah, I'm pitching a format.

I see.

I see.

Another one that I think a lot of people clamor for, I've never particularly dug into it myself either, is Weird New Jersey, which I know that many people love, but I've never.

Long time, long long time around that magazine now, right?

Yeah, still around.

Yeah, still going.

So it would be focusing on some of the best spots from Weird New Jersey, potentially even try to make contact with them, see if we can, you know, have somebody from the magazine in talk about the history.

Oh, I thought you were talking about maybe some potential brosides.

Oh, well, I've got some of that as well.

Yeah, but this is for the regular TSD, though.

Like, you know, and Q doesn't have time to go on fucking school trips.

You want to go hunting for ghosts?

I would love to, but Walt's right, I don't have time.

But in my text to you, though, I'm looking at our text.

I sense him in trouble.

So this is what I write.

Are you free Tuesday at 6 to come on TSD and present a couple of overkill stories?

So Tom also suggested he come in and do a similar thing around the time you offered to bring Overkill stories to TSD.

So I thought both of you guys come in Tuesday and present a story or two and vie for the TSD Overkill Guy.

position in TSD town for shits and giggles, of course.

Yeah, that's that.

I haven't heard a story yet.

I told you a story and I got ripped apart for it.

And then Tom pitched a whole overarching six-episode thing, so I decided to ape it.

Each episode is six pillars.

So each episode I'm going to hit you at once.

Each episode will have some pictures of the pillars.

You knew I liked the pillars.

Well, he brought the Explorers Club.

Yes, that's the story.

There's some meat on the bone for us to chew on.

Yeah.

In each overkill, I'm hitting it roughly Q about a half hour.

That's what I'm looking for when I brought it over.

You heard Q's interest peak when he heard Spy House.

Yeah.

That's where Will had to jump in and have Spy House information at the ready.

I can hear him typing right now.

Typing in Spy House.

Those who don't know the Spy House, it says here in my notes.

In 1805.

According to my notes,

it belonged to Reverend William V.

Wilson.

Does anyone like that?

Okay, let me back to the notes.

Back to the notes.

There's a ghost boy in there.

There's a ghost boy in the spy house?

There's a ghost boy in the spy house, confirmed ghost boy in the spy house.

Okay.

Why is it called a spy house?

I think because during World War II,

they had a bunch of spies living there.

They would interrogate spies, like almost like Guantanamo Bay.

They would be torture.

They were spies to the wilds of New Jersey.

Around the corner of the Nazis.

Yeah, but this is back in the day.

The Walt's house wasn't standing yet.

It would be great if they were still doing it.

Like you could actually see from your house them torturing spies.

They're Nazi spies?

Yeah, why not?

Go for it.

All right.

I actually have a sentence of information, and it's on that exact topic.

So, supposedly, there were legends that

they would get red coat soldiers liquored up enough to spill military secrets.

And then that's how.

Oh, we're going back to the Revolutionary War.

Yeah.

So you get the British soldiers so drunk that they accidentally...

I don't know how drunk you need to be to just be like, here's our whole strategy.

I don't know.

Get him.

No,

he is fucking agonizing over there.

He wants to weigh in so badly, get him.

He knows about the spy house.

He knows about this and that.

All right.

So wait a second.

It's still not clear what happened here.

So, well, Will Rogers pitched a 13 episode.

Where

we go out of studio.

No, no, no.

No, no, no, no.

Okay, no.

That was my suggestion.

Okay.

Yeah, no, I pitched 13 episodes.

And we turn turn it into, and then we try to remember and play a game show about the previous 12 episodes.

Yeah, just a year later, that's all we got to do.

Just remember everything.

I can't remember from earlier today.

It's a grand finale, and it was a good idea.

I'll see you guys later.

I don't hate it.

We're always looking for games.

Yeah.

You know?

But

we still need.

Yeah, the assignment was come with a story for us to chew on.

I got another penis story, guys.

Another one?

Hold on, you're not up yet.

Yeah.

Will, we got to talk business.

Can you wait here just a minute?

Yeah, exactly.

We'll be back.

Q?

Yeah, I mean, I want to know more about the spy house, but it sounds like those facts aren't forthcoming.

Why is it haunted?

Who's the boy?

Who haunted it?

Yeah.

Who owns it now?

Yeah, things like, or even a hypothetical.

It'd be like, if you lay out the facts of the house, and then at the end of it, it's just like, if you throw in, like, could you imagine you wake up in the middle of the night and there's a boy standing at the bottom of your bed?

You know what I mean?

How'd you get out from under the bed?

Yeah, little hooks like that and stuff like that.

But yeah, you probably need the story first.

But a format's, you know, nice to hear about, I think.

Right.

Yeah, I'm kind of along the same line.

I thought we were going to be hearing stories.

I think we're about to.

We're about to hear a story.

Tom.

Yeah.

Penis story.

Will's now got time to find the story.

Yeah, Zarita.

Okay.

Roger's gritting his teeth.

The good news is stupider the better, so you should be able to find something.

I was told nothing, and then I tried to ape what he did, and I still got raked over the coals.

I read the text.

But this is my plight in TSD town.

I do the same thing.

I asked Jimmy, can you do some research on this?

And then he tells me he knows the name of his husband.

I'm like, anything else?

No.

And I'm like,

what the fuck?

I told you to do some research on this person.

But this is everybody in TSD Town, it feels like.

People can't take direction.

Some people.

All right, all right, all right.

All right, all right, all right.

I got you, I got you, I got you.

I got something modern.

I got something now.

I got something today that nobody understands.

You ready?

Yep.

Yeah.

Have you heard of the Schuylkill notes?

No.

Aha!

Schuylkill notes?

Oh, uh-oh.

Looks like we'll maybe.

Oh, that smugness is coming.

I know, I know, I gotta fucking watch that.

I gotta get it to control.

I apologize.

Probably won't work.

I apologize.

I apologize.

I apologize.

All right, let me take a look at it.

You know what?

I feel, though, too, it's like we don't want to, like, again, like, with our history with Will, it's going to be real hard for us to say he didn't get the gig.

Why don't we just put it?

Really easy.

Or why don't we just leave it up to the listeners?

We'll do a poll.

Very good.

And we're a clear conscience.

Oh, they're not going to like me after this now.

I came in hot and I came in smug.

But I came to this audience, not that audience.

audience.

That one fucked.

Take it out of our hands.

I like that.

Take it out of our hands.

Our hands aren't bloody.

Congratulations, Will.

You won.

I'm telling you, this is not going away with the plan.

Oh, speaking of

polls.

Yeah.

Remember, we were talking about Dan Arkroyd versus.

I want to get

your feeling on this, Walt, because I may have fucked it up

unintentionally.

No.

He didn't understand that.

So I met.

No.

I confused him.

I don't believe it.

I almost didn't want to tell you because

I thought you might have that reaction.

I would be stunned and shocked.

No, Paul Stanley, 20%.

Dan Aykroyd, 80%.

No, this is.

Well, we know our audience

does not like HISS.

Right.

Yeah.

Well, I remember 15%ers.

Are you more into 1983 Paul Stanley or 1983 Dan Aykroyd?

Now, I said more into.

What I meant was like...

Who you're more attracted to?

Are you more attracted to that?

I think that's come across.

You think so?

Yeah.

I don't think you fucked that up.

I don't think you fucked fucked that up at all.

That's one on the checklist.

So you're telling me eight out of ten, 13 percenters, if they had a night, they could choose one lover

for one night of bliss,

rock and roll hell or heaven, depending upon what you want Paul to do to you.

Right.

Lick it up.

And they're going to pick Dan Aykroyd.

That was 748 votes.

I agree with that.

I am shocking.

I found it.

That is stunning to me.

When you look at that body body and that Unitard.

You took on an 80, like young Dan Aykroyd was a good-looking guy.

Yes, but you can see what Paul has to offer.

There was no fucking guessing.

Yeah, but Dan Aykroyd's going to make you laugh.

You know what I mean?

You only have one night.

You want to laugh, or you want to fucking your O-face this fucking show.

I mean, it'd be nice to laugh home at the end of the night with an O-face, or you want to go home with your face.

Oh, my face hurts from laughing.

I really thought it was going to hurt from fucking getting multiple orgasms.

Yeah, but in between the orgasms, like you need to converse with these people.

Really?

Sure.

How would it work?

Pillow talk?

Not pillow talk.

Paul's not going to hang out with you afterwards.

Maybe he'll serenade you?

Shandy.

I love the way I see your face when I make you come.

Yeah, I guess.

Donna Dixon and Dan Aykrid are separated.

They still have to be a little bit different.

Two years ago.

Your research was off.

They're still married, but they are not living together.

Paul Stanley's still got another shot for the rematch.

Paul Stanley is still married, by the way, to his wife.

Which is what Donna did.

So, what does that say about Dan?

He doesn't want to give up half of what he's got.

That's what that says to me.

Wait, don't we have a story here?

No, I thought we had, I thought we were talking about the story.

No, the struggle.

The struggle.

Oh, okay.

You're just doing the poll?

Yeah, I was about to tell you the poll because it reminded me of that.

Go ahead.

All right, I'm going to try to calm down.

I think I got all excited here.

I want to ask Tom if you wouldn't mind, may I step in and share this other thing?

Yeah.

Save face a little bit.

Yes, nice.

Nice.

All right.

So this is a thing that's literally going on right now.

It seems like maybe every week or so somebody posts almost like an update or a new photo of this developing weird thing that's happening in Pennsylvania.

So I guess there's a town called Schuylkill.

It's It's spelled all crazy.

S-C-H-U-Y.

It's a Schuylkill River, right?

I guess so.

River.

I wasn't familiar with it.

So people are finding

when they go grocery shopping and they come home, let's say you buy a box of cereal, you open the box, and you find a note that somebody seemingly has slipped into the package of food that you bought.

And it's a teeny tiny, it's almost like a barely bigger than a post-it.

And this note is typed in the smallest font.

but it's all about

so I'm going to read you just like a sentence because it's hard to read too.

Like they substitute like characters instead of letters, a lot of parentheses and stuff.

So it starts with this.

In all caps, riots slash chaos are tied to secret society.

A secret symbol, sign, word that unites the SS.

It's tied to Saturn.

Wow, he's pulling in space, Nazis, and secret societies

in one note.

This is what he's doing.

He's throwing everything.

Yeah, he's throwing everything in

the kitchen fan.

That's what he was Googling.

He just wrote Nazi Nazis, True Crimes, Conspiracy, Speak Thins, Schookle.

That's my go-to.

But it's good.

So people are buying Rice Krispies.

Yes.

And opening the Rice Krispies and finding these notes.

So somebody's slipping the notes in them.

Yes.

And so there are a couple things that people aren't sure about.

For one thing, they think, is it somebody who's going to a grocery store and finding a way to slip a note into packages on the shelves, or is it somebody who works in manufacturing that no one's caught yet?

But so the question is, you go to the grocery store, you buy food, you come home, and you find out that there's a note in the food that you just bought, and it's this kind of stuff.

Here's like another uh sample: uh, oh my god, uh, they talk about the swastika and royals

and dragon kings, yeah,

dragon kings, it's it's It's all over the map.

You can't possibly.

I don't know if you're familiar with the Toynbee tiles.

It's that kind of like, it's hard to get a sense of what the mindset of somebody is.

What do you do?

You go to the store.

This comes out of the food you bought.

It is.

Now what?

You eating that food?

Let me ask you, how long has this been going on?

I think at least a couple of years now.

Yeah.

But it's still developing now.

Still, nobody's found out this guy.

No one knows.

And there are variations, too.

It's easy to find out, though, if it's somebody in town or if it's somebody who works at the grocery store.

There are no shortage of cameras, though.

Unless they're doing it back in the stockroom or something.

Right.

And that's the thing is, like, so actually, Giddam just pulled up on the screen.

This one is from

just over three years ago.

And mine is from like a recent thing that someone posted.

And there are variations between the note I found and the one Giddam pulled up that screams out the word lies.

Wow.

This is something like I see Gidham doing.

You know, it it did make me think.

Yeah, he ran out of receipts, so he started doing these instead.

It did make me think you had that fake receipt.

Well, Giddam can't talk, but Giddam had like a fake receipt that he would hand to people

instead of having somebody actually check what he purchased.

But it is that kind of like.

Well, worth everyone's time.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

It is that kind of mindset of like

manifesto mindset.

Yeah, manifesto mindset.

Wow.

Yeah.

This is this has a

different creation.

Let me see that note.

It has a tiny race of people called dragon kings.

Their long skulls and cave cities were found in Italy, Turkey, Peru.

That maybe where Crumpy maybe originated from.

He might be one of these.

We had it wrong.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In fact, let's say that he is.

Get him.

Get rid of the candy canes.

He's a dragon king now.

Yeah, we've got to get him a crown.

Yes.

Now, this could also just be like some whacked out mental dude that's putting this in here.

Easily.

Or some teenagers.

Or teenagers.

Well, that looked that look pretty involved.

It's a pretty big commitment, though.

So that's the thing, going over the corporate

lots of different food or lots of different food.

So that's the thing, too.

People have evidently tried to triangulate: like, is it always a particular kind of product?

Like, what are the manufacturing plants?

For a particular manufacturing plant, are these the products that these notes always end up in?

But it seems more random than that.

What do you mean?

Truck drivers.

Yeah, can you name some of the products?

Truck drivers.

Good example.

Oh, cereal boxes and pasta.

So I had one.

It shows up in your creepy pasta.

Yeah, the one that I had sourced came from original flavor baked wheat snack crackers from stop and shop.

So if you're a fan of that product, you might get a skugel note.

This is one of those things that like, it's, it's so regional.

It's all about this Philly area.

Now that it's becoming sort of a known thing, I don't, you wouldn't want to eat the food, but I'd almost kind of be like, I got one.

Yeah, I was going to say, copycats are going to come out of the woodwork.

Well, not only that, but it's like finding a prize at the bottom of your cereal or something now.

Like, wouldn't it be kind of cool now that you know about it to be like, I got a skuyl note?

But also, wouldn't it be

really common though that somebody would be like, I got one, you know, and then just create their own.

Oh, then create their own, yeah.

Yeah.

Totally.

Well, that happened with, so I mentioned Toynbee tiles.

Do you know what that is?

You can still see a couple in New York now, but there was a guy that would leave a message, and it almost looked like it was like paved into the street.

And it would say, Toynbee idea, resurrect dead on planet Jupiter.

And these little tiles.

There was one in Edison by the Menlo Park Mall.

It's gone now.

They pave over it constantly anytime these pop up.

But as recently as a couple years ago, I saw one in the city.

But it's this idea of like somebody who's just got an idea in their head, and they've decided the best way to get it out there is to go through some bizarre means.

Well, it's the only plan that makes sense to them.

Yeah, it must be logical.

They're nuts.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're nuts.

In their head, it's logical.

But in the day, in the time of the internet, isn't it weird to be like, I got to put this in your like, in your weedies box rather than put it on the internet?

It's definitely old school.

It harkens back to the,

what was it, the Tylenol type stuff where people were like, tamper-proof products,

something that people kind of expect and demand these days.

Yeah.

And when you get something that doesn't have something tamper-proof on it, you're like, I'm not drinking this.

No way.

Is there even a chance that you're eating whatever was in that box that this note was in?

Pasta, no way.

No.

Yeah, because pasta is loose in the box.

The cereal, I don't know if it's sealed sealed in the bag, the inner bag, maybe.

Well, actually, that's worth pointing out, too.

There's conflicting information online of whether or not the note is just inside the cardboard.

Some people seemingly have said that it's been inside the bag within the cereal box, but that's one of those things where it's like

it's a cardinal.

And it also seems like there's probably a lot of copycats at this point, like Walt said.

Like someone did it, and then you just throw a bunch of gibberish together because a lot of it doesn't even make sense.

And then you can just say, yeah, I got one of these two.

And then you get a lot of that conflicting information.

Yeah, no, I definitely agree with you.

It's just, guys, to become the Lord of Overkill, would you guys be willing to

video yourselves putting some of these notes into food products in the grocery store?

I'd do it in my home.

Well, thank you.

All right.

I think that story had more

prompt.

Definitely.

I mean, it was a story.

So right off the bat.

I will take points off for not allowing us to

make any gay jokes.

Yeah, it's unfortunate.

I was looking.

I was trying to find a way to get someone's dick in someone's mouth, but

I couldn't find that.

I couldn't find that.

Every angle was searched.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We exhausted every avenue.

Like, is there anything on those notes?

Not a dick.

A ball, even a ball in a mouth there.

When I create fake ones in the future, I'll write one up.

I'll take care of that.

What did you think, Brian?

I liked it.

Yeah, it's informative.

There's enough of a like, hmm,

I wonder who's doing that.

It has to capture your imagination.

Like, that's the problem with the first story: we already know it.

So there's nothing to get your gears going.

It has to intrigue us.

Yeah.

Now there's some intrigue going.

I liked it.

All right, I'm learning.

I had to eat a little crow.

I'm capable of learning.

Yeah, you came out of the gate hot.

Came out of this one.

Learned my place.

All right, Tom, what do you think?

Look, Tom's stoic.

I liked it.

It was good.

I enjoyed it.

It definitely was much better than the first one.

You know, you gave.

Can we vote for a Lord of the Overkill if he refuses to talk into the mic?

Yeah, stop looking.

Sorry.

I was staring at the thing.

I was like, lovingly, Mario Rogers.

I thought it had a lot of good points, and it actually had some talking to it.

So that was a good story, Will.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

And thank you for giving me the window.

What's your follow-up?

I'm going to...

continue with my audience and I'm going to give you guys exactly what you're looking for, another penis story.

So

have you guys ever heard of the demon known as Papa Bawa?

Papa Bawa.

I have not.

Papa boner yes.

Papa Bawa no.

Close.

It is an evil spirit known to the residents of Zanzibar.

Its name translates to batwing.

It's a shapeshifter who mainly appears as a cycloptic bat but can change its shape.

I like that word, cycloptic.

He typically visits homes at nighttime and is associated with the presence of a sulfuric odor.

Like night crawler.

Brimstone.

Yes.

Bamph.

Sulfur.

But there's going to be a big difference right now.

So while some of his attacks are merely just physical,

most his more frightening assault is the anal rape of both men and women in the home.

In their own home?

Yes.

When you go to sleep.

It's like Rocky Balboa here.

It's the only real fear I have.

Yes.

So victims are urged to tell others of the assault for fear that Papa Bawa may return.

And in 1995, six men were attacked by the mob by AMAB because they believed to have been possessed by Papa Bawa.

One was even killed, while hundreds refused to sleep for fear of Papa Bawa coming.

So as long as someone,

this is in Zanzibar in Africa, Tanzania.

Gotcha, gotcha.

If someone in your house was awake, you were okay.

So the question I bring to the table is, would you trust each other if the two of you lived in a house?

Yeah, we can get demon

that while one of you slept, the other one would stay awake to make sure that he didn't.

Who are you wanting to get?

Like, if you're going to take a nap, who do you want?

Who are you entrusting at me or Brian to make sure we don't take a

trust you?

What time is it?

Because if it's past seven, he's got to trust you.

Yeah.

It's kind of like a full-time, there's nothing, there's no other life to live.

It's always, is someone awake?

Nighttime, nighttime.

But the only of it is that you're just waking him up.

What if, like, the, he strikes you dumb so you can't even speak?

Oh, yes, you are paralytic when it happens.

Oh, really?

Yes, it's paralytic while you're just putting IC at the end of every word now

because you knew I liked sleep optic.

Apocalyptic psychic.

No, you're paralytic when it happens.

But you're conscious.

Yeah.

So you know what's happening.

They say it's like a dream-like,

but you definitely feel it happening.

It's almost like, I guess, that twilight stage.

Yeah.

Like that twilight stage stage, if you get like sleep paralysis.

Colonoscopy.

That's what you were going to say, right?

Yeah, more buttonholes.

More buttonhole stuff.

Yes.

How long has he been around?

How long have they been telling this story?

There's been at least 100 years, but in 1995, was there a big one where it was like a psychosis that happened where hundreds of people refused to sleep.

Now,

I'm assuming it's not a sex-mad demon.

Why would you assume that?

Yes.

Why would you go on out of some of that?

I know.

It sounds like.

So what is it really?

So who's covering from what?

Yeah, it was a demon.

It's from Papa Bow.

Day one of TSD.

You've always said that, you know, in hell, you know that the only thing that

is real or physical is your butthole because that's what demons want.

Yeah.

More than anything.

They love it.

Yeah.

You know, they're like, it's like ants on a chocolate bar on a sidewalk in front of them.

They can love it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're going to swarm it.

Right.

So why would you dismiss then that?

Well, these, these, I just feel like you got to look for the real, like, Papa Baba.

I mean, look, man, if every time somebody fucks another dude up the ass, they're like, Papa Baba was here.

Like, it just seems a little fishy to me.

I want it to be real.

You know?

And

if it happened to you, it's like not me

You know the

family circle or back to that it's not me

You know I think Papa Ba was a little bit of a I don't know

The first sighting of Papa Ba was in 1965 oh okay

so I would have thought it yes I would have thought in the you know 1400s nope and then another sighting in the 70s periodically in the 80s

that was the that was the decade of anal sex

reaching its peak in 1995.

That was it.

That's when everybody was doing it.

Everybody was doing it.

I remember.

I was there.

Demons.

During period here, get messed up on the screen that says during periods of resurgence, men can be found sleeping arm in arm in front of their houses.

Wow.

So they want it to be public.

They want the whole neighborhood to be able to see them sleeping arm in arm.

That's how much these guys don't want to get banged.

Yep.

It also says every five to ten years.

That's so frequent.

That's like an electric election cycle.

Like it's a Papa Bawa year, everybody.

This is just in one village, huh?

It's actually, there have been several.

See, look, it says terrorize Zanzibar and the Pamba Islands.

Did you?

It's a couple different places.

Did you find this story in a dark web?

Yes.

He's so good.

I get it would have been like, no.

Although it swoops through bedroom windows and rapes men who doubt its existence.

So if you're like, hey, I believe in it.

Q.

See you, you're on record as doubting him.

Yeah,

Papa Shango is going to be visiting you tonight, baby.

Papa Bawa tattoo.

I believe in this fucking thing.

Yeah, but it's in Tanzania, so I'm okay.

The Staten Island Papa Bawa.

That could be you if you want to be you.

Yeah, going around poking dudes and their butts.

You doubt me?

So, yeah, so he.

Q?

No, Papa Bawa.

So there have been been no sightings anywhere but on the coast of Africa.

Yes, correct.

Yes.

It is strictly in Zanzibar and the Pemba Islands next to it.

Okay.

I wonder what sleeping army is.

But demons are known to collectively stay in one area depending on their

success rate he has.

And

why would he leave?

Yeah, if there's still dudes doubting your existence, why go anywhere?

What do you think, Brian?

I like it.

This is a home run.

That was a home run story.

That ain't it all.

I mean, we got to turn Crumpy into some sort of like anal raping

manifestation.

We're going to take Crumpy back to the drawing board.

Crumpy's going to the lab.

We might have a Papa Bawa out there.

We need a fake dick

to staple to it.

Get him.

We need you to get a fake penis.

That would Hershey's like.

We're going to put Hershey's syrup all over.

We got to take him.

What are you going got to say?

Is it as good as the kissing devil?

I want all the signage changed out there to Papa Bawa.

Get rid of all the Christmas themes.

Yeah, all the gun.

All the gun.

I think that was a good find, Tom.

Yeah, that was all right.

That was all right.

Anything else on any other information that you didn't get out?

No, that is everything on the anal raping Papa Bawa demon.

Okay.

Wow.

You got one more, Will?

I mean, what choice?

What am I going to do now?

You know what?

I mean, you could still hit a fucking monster home run.

Fuck you.

I can guarantee you.

Will, I do not have any more penis stores.

So.

The game is open.

I really don't think I'm going to.

If I'm being perfectly honest.

That attitude.

No, you know what?

I feel, listen, I feel like I've been.

I do feel like I've been defeated to somebody.

I got Papa Powell.

I did.

Who said he doesn't come to America?

Who said he won't come?

Coming to America.

That's my my house right now.

I went on TSD and all I got was Papa Pawa.

The Will Rogers story.

After a home run like that, listen.

Oh, this is where champions rise, man.

This is it.

This is it, dude.

All right.

The only shame would be quitting.

Listen, I'm very accustomed to quitting.

I got to tell you.

I'm not going to let you do it, bud.

All right.

What was your last?

What's your best?

What's the humdinger?

Oh, shit.

Okay.

I used my humdinger, guys.

That was my penis story.

You don't have one more?

Oh, I got more stories.

Just no more penis story.

All right, you're going to need to go one more time with it.

That's pretty fucking.

Yeah, I thought we were doing two and knocking it out of the park with it.

All right.

How about this?

Have you ever heard of Dugway Proving Ground, or as it's known, the New Area 51?

Okay, I like this.

I like this.

Yeah.

We have not.

Aliens.

Okay.

So there's this place, the Dugway Proving Ground.

Supposedly, this is a place where during World War II, they tested out chemical weaponry, flamethrowers, biological weapons, fire bombing tactics.

During 1943, the, quote, German village and Japanese village set pieces were built.

So this is.

This is in the United States?

This is in the United States, yeah.

So there's this concept of a doom town.

Have you heard of this before?

Doon or doom?

Doom.

D-O-O-M.

All right.

So I think actually a weird good example of this, you know, the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?

Sure.

It opens up with him escaping that bomb in a refrigerator.

Yeah.

So he's in a doom town.

This was a real thing that they built to test nukes.

They would build an entire village, an American suburb, to see what the fallout from a nuclear bomb would be.

So this Dugway Proving Ground was doing that kind of stuff.

So they had built a village to look like a German village.

Okay, get him headset up on the...

Yeah.

They built another town to look like a a Japanese village because they wanted to see what's going to happen.

How effective are our bombs going to be overseas?

And so in 1942, this facility grew to be larger than Rhode Island.

It was larger than one of

the United States.

Uninhabited, though.

Uninhabited, but used exclusively for military testing.

No civilians allowed whatsoever.

Truly like underground stuff.

And was it built to look like a German community?

Yes.

Yes.

So they would use every construction practice, I guess, of a conventional German village in 1943.

But so I guess here's some of the questions.

Because this stuff has been going on.

It's documented.

It's true.

There's pictures everywhere about it.

Uh-huh.

The village and stuff.

How many generals brought

their secretaries to the village?

Come on, Freulein.

Yeah.

Put this on.

Let's pretend to be German tonight.

Yeah.

It definitely happened, right?

I think, you know what?

I'm going to say, yeah.

Just because because if you got access to a place like that, you're not using it.

You know, is that the most unlike seductive, though, dialecto, the German dialect?

Like, like, no girl sounds sexy.

Well, you know, you know, some of those South Asian accents are pretty bad, too.

They're always like yelling at you, it seems.

I would do it right now.

Yeah.

I don't know because you could play American Liberators.

You don't have to be German.

It just sounds.

Oh, like Captain America.

Yeah, yeah.

She's just like the Red Skull.

Oh, so you're the German?

No, you're the American.

You got to be the German?

Okay.

I got all trusted.

No, I'm not getting out of this uniform.

No, we're trying to get away from the accent.

Oh, okay.

So she's a POW and you're coming in to save her.

Yeah.

She's okay.

She would still have an accent, though.

Well, no, she's an American POW, or something.

She's so grateful that she gave her a job.

She's just in German prison.

Yeah, she's in German prison.

She's like, I haven't had a bad enough.

I guess I'll fuck for my freedom.

That's cute, fantasy.

I'm a fucking POW for crazy.

Just look grateful while you do it.

Can you look up at me gratefully?

I can't even see your ribs.

How am I supposed to get hard?

You look nourished.

How long have you been a prisoner here anyway?

All right, go on now.

So here's one of the questions.

This happened.

It's confirmed.

Yes.

But one of the big questions, I think, in any story like this to me.

Oh, wait a second.

Hold on.

I just had, I want to, again,

say that again.

It's confirmed.

It's confirmed.

I think that if it is him, he's got right there.

Catchphrase.

Yeah, that's

like, where's the beef?

It's confirmed.

That's Tom.

Yeah, that's Tom.

It's tough because

he does, you know, bring a lot of stories about Cox and me.

I knew my audience, guys.

I know, but that's good.

That's what sent me flummo.

I was scrolling through all my notes.

I was trying to find just one story.

It's confirmed.

It's confirmed.

No, I like that.

That's good.

All right.

So So here's the question.

Is this still happening today somewhere?

Is there some military base that we don't know that hasn't been publicized yet?

Someday in the future, all this information will come out and it will be as, you know, at least published.

Will they build whole cities that they're destroying?

Well, not just that.

Well, you know what?

Why not?

Like, is there a place where they are

modeling, you know, different communities around the world to see,

here's a weapon that we're developing.

What is the fallout if we detonate it in this kind of community?

Right.

Well, that's the reason with the neutron bomb, right?

Doesn't the neutron bomb, it causes more death, but doesn't ruin all the buildings, if I'm not mistaken.

Is that right?

Got confirmation from Giddem over there.

He went to Giddem for confirmation.

That's not the one that sucks.

And got it.

Yeah, it's like the hierarchy in canine hierarchy.

That was Giddem saying confirmed.

That's weird, though, too, where it's like, man, we we got to kill all these people, but I really don't want to have to rebuild anything.

Exactly.

Building sucks.

But no, the question, like...

Yeah, I don't know.

Is that a meaty question, though?

If I was you, I would have thrown in, like, and then it was rumored that the mob would put informants in the buildings when they were exploded.

Sprinkle a little juice on top of it for us

to jump in.

As a matter of fact, that is a rumor.

Whoa, go on.

So there are, you know, one of the things that Indiana Jones taught us is that they had a bunch of mannequins in that doom town.

Right.

So you see, like when the nuke goes off, you see the mannequin's faces melting.

But they also wanted to see what happens to a human body.

So where do they get the bodies from?

And similar to the point of like, you've got this entire town built.

Why don't you use it?

Somebody, at least once, statistically,

somebody managed to hide, you know, a person that they killed by having them officially blown up at a test site, right?

You, I mean, if not our government.

Yeah, I mean, how many people?

Yeah.

So this site developed into other things.

It closed after World War II, but then reopened and it became a hotspot for UFO activity.

So, one of the big beliefs is that this had been a place to test biological weapons, and then it became a place after Area 51 to store UFOs.

That's right, it started as a new Area 51.

So, what's going on there now that people are getting that reputation?

Yeah, so there are people there.

There's a guy in Utah.

This is all in Utah.

Here's a quote from this guy who claims that in this area he saw saw a jet vanish into thin air.

He goes by the name Alien Dave.

Okay.

You trust this guy?

With a name like Alien Dave, how can you not?

Alien Dave.

He's got a lot to say.

It's right to the point.

Are you sure that he's got the best information?

He might be biased.

I'm not sure.

So he says that he watched a convoy of Humvees that were traveling along a road disappear into massive subterranean fortress tunnels built into the side of a mountain like the Bat Cave.

That takes a level of infrastructure that I think is like, it's not just enough to have the site out in the open.

It's like you've got to have the whole society in the side of a cave.

And

this now takes, I really think that this takes like a Hollywood studio to be like, we've got to find a way to conceal a door in the side of the mountain.

I just like the name Doomtown.

Doomtown.

I got it trademarked.

Yeah.

No.

No, the door and everything.

I've got a picture that I'm putting on.

Doomtowntown.fun.

Yeah, dot.fun.

But so

he also, Alien Dave,

he also personally witnessed a laser beam launch high into outer space.

That's the quote.

I can't even picture it.

He's such a lucky guy, this Alien Dave.

He's always there on the spot seeing all this shit.

Yeah, he's on the scene.

Like, if I saw a bunch of military guys going into, like, across the street from me into Earl, like, it's part of Earl, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

So, like, why is Alien Dave?

You wouldn't think twice about that?

No, if I saw a bunch of military people on a military installation?

Oh, well, they military.

But here they're driving into a mountain.

What, Earl?

Yeah.

Oh, Earl.

Oh,

I thought you met them over one in Shrewsbury.

Oh, no, no, no.

That's a Mammoth.

Four mammoths.

Four mammoth, okay.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, no, I think the thing here is like, supposedly.

So, Tom, this story, this story of Will's,

would it make your pillars?

Yes.

It would.

Yeah, because one of the pillars is extraterrestrial phenomena and aliens, and this has something to do with that.

Plus, also,

I can't talk anymore into the mic, get them.

And also, probably some sort of government conspiracy along with it as well.

You gotta say, you sound a thousand times better when you talk right into the mic.

Okay.

So, this is a story

you could see yourself bringing to us at some point?

Yes.

Okay.

There's also an element of extreme negligence that I enjoyed.

So, there was something that happened here called the Sheep Kill Incident.

6,000 sheep were seemingly killed or quote-unquote disabled, don't know, by the testing of a nerve agent called VX in the 1960s.

Now, that's a long time ago, 6,000 years ago.

Close encounter studies.

Yeah.

So, was it a cover-up?

What really killed those sheep?

Yeah, good point.

But how about this?

Nine years ago, someone really blew it at this

installation.

They, I guess, accidentally shipped anthrax all over the country in 2015.

All over the country.

I don't know who's in the mailroom.

What do you mean they shipped it?

That's what it said.

Like, how'd they ship it?

I don't know.

I don't know if it's in envelopes or boxes, but evidently this was a.

They were trying to send it to somebody they knew, like to other scientists or other secrets.

You got to say

I would assume so.

All it said was they shipped anthrax all over the country by mistake.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, who are like, they must have been shipping it to places that ordered anthrax.

Well, to ship it somewhere by mistake means means you're shipping it somewhere that wasn't by mistake.

So yeah, it's got to be something like that.

But

Will, some advice.

It's too late.

There's a story.

But instead of doing Alien Dave, I would have just kept saying witnesses say because it makes it more, like it gives us a little bit more to, like, I already know anything Alien Dave say is bullshit.

Witnesses say they've seen airplanes disappear and

there was an incident where all these sheep got killed.

Instead of saying like they were testing nerve agent, just be like, and then, you know, all these sheep died there one night, and the government came out quickly and said that they were, oh, they were testing nerve gas there.

But you know what I mean?

Like, you got, you know, you hang the little things on it.

I'd be a fool not to take that note.

All I can say is the man's.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

That's what I'm saying.

The man's name was Alien Dave, and I wanted to give him some respect.

Hold on, I so badly want it to get back to Alien Dave that Q from a practical joker just bagged him.

Can you imagine that?

Like, if it gets back to Alien Dave,

he will think he's touched by the gods.

He already thinks that.

It's just more proof to him that, like,

BQ's talking about me.

Yeah, and it won't occur to him that it's in a negative way.

He's talking to me in code.

He said, have a joke.

He said, send him $30,000.

Oh, God, do I want Alien Dave to find out that

you can fucking dissed them?

If you can get Alien Dave as a guest,

now that's fucking big news.

Sounds like he's got a lot to say.

Yeah.

Ever said now.

I like stories like this because any government, it would be considered a government conspiracy theory, right?

I like them because it just goes to prove how much you can't trust the fucking government.

Every story that comes out like this, you're like, see, see?

What happened, Robin?

What happened to

America?

What happened to America that we now trust the government seemingly like if you distrust the government, you're seen as like a bad person.

But like, why should we trust the government?

I know, I know, I know countless people.

I feel like Trump fucked it up that like you like now, like, okay, you have to be the exact polar opposite.

You have to believe everything the current government says.

Right.

Because if you're not, then you're like, you're a Trumper then.

Yeah, yeah.

But you shouldn't believe any of them.

If you have a negative word to say about Biden.

None of them.

They're all lying to you about everything.

It's in the papers every day that Biden's been lying.

You're right.

They're all liars.

Like in the 60s, man, I bagged on hippies a lot, but I was wrong, man.

They had it right, man.

They don't trust a man.

Don't trust a man.

Never became the man.

So now we can't trust them.

When it comes to this stuff, though.

Yeah, it's kind of lame that trusting the government is cool and right.

Yeah, like

all of a sudden it became that's the thing to show that you were

on the side of government.

Yeah, like like even what side like yeah pam like the the biggest like government supporter even she says shit now even she's like disillusioned and she was one of those like archie bunker type patriots back in the day

how could you how could you trust the government as as

life goes out oh my god

do you think whenever

somebody assumes the office, whenever a new president is sworn in, do you think he still gets that?

There's a rumor, like they get the letter with the truth about ghosts and Aliens.

Do you think that actually exists?

Not about ghosts, but I think about aliens and

all the shit that...

Like, do you think for a second?

What is that?

I don't know.

It's get them trying to be heard.

But, you know,

all this footage now that the government is releasing about UFOs, you know, fucking they're doing it on purpose.

There's no way that they would want all that shit.

It's a diversion for something else.

Yeah, if the government is pointing something out, look in the other direction.

And it's interesting.

Yeah.

And it's interesting.

Yeah, definitely.

I don't know.

I'm taking my tinfoil hat off in

case you have a tinfoil hat story as your last story.

Sort of.

Okay.

It's not really tinfoil hat.

Let me put it back there.

It's more of a.

This is just a talking point.

Let's see.

Have you guys heard of the dark forest theory?

No.

Dark forest?

Yes.

So the dark forest theory is that aliens do exist in the world because statistically, it's impossible for them not to.

I sent this to you.

Yes, you did.

Good work.

Well

I'm sorry, was I not allowed to like the good idea that you sent?

No.

Oh, that's okay.

You like that Hershey syrup on your nose?

Some genius prompting out a story to me.

So the theory is that statistically, given all the information we know about the world, how large it is, the galaxies and everything else, alien life does exist, but it's quiet because everyone is pretty much armed to the teeth, and everyone is afraid to make contact out there because every other civilization knows that the first one to make it is going to get destroyed.

So, everyone is silent.

So, they describe it as

you mean the first one, the first person who makes contact with

destroyed alien.

Yes, the first race in the world to do it.

And it's because it's a dark forest filled with armed hunters stalking through the trees like ghosts.

So, pretty much every alien life form

exists, but everyone is quiet because they know

every no one can survive with anyone else out there.

So, they can all coexist.

No one can coexist.

No, I mean all the aliens can?

No,

they don't talk to each other.

No alien life form talks to each other because they all know if you make contact, you're going to have to destroy them.

And they all know that.

That's why no one is doing it.

So, what's your thoughts on that?

I don't believe in the theory.

No,

Why not?

Because that's only one possible outcome.

But how do you explain how, out of

billions of planets and stars, plenty of which can hold life, we've never found any clue.

In the millions of years we've existed.

We're still young.

I think it's just, yeah, we've only,

you know how big it is?

Like, the odds of anybody finding each other are so insanely small, and we haven't been around that much.

The planet even hasn't been.

I mean,

what are we on our 18th Big Bang?

We could be on our fucking 2 billionth Big Bang where the government, you know,

the universe expanding and restarting.

We could be doing this the billionth Big Bang already.

Well, there's so much room.

There's so much room.

To argue that point, look how much technology has advanced in just 50 years with what we've had just in our planet with computers.

50, 60 years ago, we didn't have any of these things.

We have a computer at the palm of our hands.

You don't think that any of those races have developed, like you said, we're young, but other races have existed for hundreds and thousands and millions of years.

You don't think anyone has come up with a technology that they could pinpoint us out of a galaxy?

I think any race that gets

significantly advanced destroys itself.

Destroys itself or realizes that if it contacts anyone else, it will be destroyed.

No, I think it's a good thing.

What if they're scientifically so advanced they realize that?

Yeah, but

they could look at a planet.

By that theory, then there are different planets at different levels of technological advancements.

They could see a planet with horses and buggies, and they're not going to be like, they're going to destroy us by fucking firing muskets at us.

You know what I mean?

It's only like the...

Like if I have the nuclear bomb, I'm not worried about the guy with the fucking stick.

But if you're the caveman that's got a nuclear bomb, he could still blow up the world.

But the caveman doesn't have the nuclear bomb.

But if he doesn't, But if that race or that alien race doesn't annihilate us when we're cavemen and allows us to still carry on, eventually we're going to get to the point where we can destroy them if we know they exist.

Right.

That's why they come down

in the old West, the late 1800s, when we have no shot of destroying them.

Oh, they can time travel too.

Well, no, that's when they would have come.

Yeah, that's when they would have.

That was like the worst time for them to come.

Yeah, now well, now our weapons aren't even that fucking advanced now.

I don't think so.

We don't have space.

But we don't know what the other ones have.

Well, if they know we exist, we got to assume they have pretty fucking significant, and they can cover the distance of all that space.

They got to, I mean, that's the problem.

It's the distance.

Like, how do you bridge that distance?

It's not so much the theory that

it's the theory that everyone

has to keep themselves isolated from each other.

So it's not that they know that we exist.

It's too uniform a way of thinking for that to hold across an entire universe.

You're eventually going to find people who think differently than that.

You have to.

A species is not, yeah, some other species isn't going to have the same exact protocols of like, we have to remain a secret.

That seems unlikely.

They might not even be physical beings,

these other creatures.

Well, we're not controlled by a species.

We're controlled by, what, 40, 50 people?

You know, conspiracy-wise.

Yeah, but you're talking about a dark forest of everybody in that dark forest being that way.

And I don't think that's possible.

If they're advanced, it might be the same type of situation.

If they're so advanced, they might only have the same 40 or 50 people that we have that make all the decisions.

And they're like, if this is the level of weapons we have, what else could they have?

But think about what you're saying.

You're talking about an entire universe of beings all thinking the exact same way as 40 people that they put in.

I mean, it's absurd.

It's like, what about races that are just...

living planets or whatever you could think of.

Or they're just fucking, they got fucking balls.

They're like, bring it on.

Yeah, bring it on.

Yeah, like every alien's afraid of us?

Exactly.

Not afraid of us.

Pretty much afraid of themselves because they all know if this is the weapons, like think about us.

We have nuclear weapons, right?

Well, we assume.

that any alien race that discovers would be more technologically advanced.

Well, what if every alien race thinks the exact same?

Not that they can see us, but that they think, hey, we have to be quiet because if we're this advanced, any other race would be more advanced than us.

Yeah, but we're not being quiet.

We're shooting Voyager out in the space and sending signals out in the space.

We're not being quiet at all.

When you look at the distance that we're sending those things out compared to how big the galaxy and everything else is, we're sending it pretty much like

that's because we have limitations.

But if we could send it further, we would.

I mean, fucking pussies.

They're not going to sit in a dark forest.

We might end the dark forest.

We're just cowering in the dark forest.

Yeah, suck at each other's dicks in the dark forest.

Have you ever heard about the theory, though, that like that aliens don't come from outer space?

They're actually from underwater since the ocean is so unexplored.

Well, I mean, I saw the abyss.

Yeah, like that's what it was about, right?

Like, and all the all these UFOs are going underwater, and that's where they're sitting chilling out.

It's not out in outer space.

Everybody's looking to the space, but actually, it's the oceans, and that's why we don't explore oceans.

We let 90% of the oceans remain unexplored.

But

why would these creatures allow,

why would they allow us to heat the ocean up and pollute the ocean unless

they gave us detection?

They're not hacking us.

They gave us detection.

They wanted warmer.

Yeah, you're right.

They want to get rid of us so they can come out of the ocean.

Shit, you might be right on that.

You fucking tune in and figure that out.

Yeah.

But you guys know that one underwater ones.

Actually, I did know that.

You know,

John Podesta?

He was somebody behind Trump's cabinet.

Okay.

He has, somebody got an email from him.

They broke into his emails.

They hacked him.

And he has emails to some bigwigs talking about that

the government is already in contact with aliens.

And they have promised.

He was putting this in email.

The aliens.

Okay.

But if we can just get our shit together and stop killing each other as a species, they will give us zero-point energy.

which is the key to everything.

Okay.

And they have promised if we could just stop killing each other, that the aliens aliens will

show themselves and present the keys to zero-point energy.

So these judgmental fucks are coming together.

They're ending up there withholding the zero-point energy.

Telling us who to shoot.

Yeah.

I think they're talking more about the state of the earth.

Yeah, but it's not going to change.

So you're not talking about single murders.

You're talking about mass.

Yeah, I'm talking about the way that countries have been behaving since the dawn of time, and they can't get their fucking acts together and stop fucking going to war with each other every other weekend.

They will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth.

Yes, that's what they want.

They want zero military violence.

Well, I say, well, why not put the carrot out there?

Like, hey,

Middle East.

Yeah.

Stop this shit so we can get zero-point energy.

Because

I don't have to fucking pay so much to fill my fucking Prius up.

Is there going to be like, look, man, like, you know, my invisible space god is telling me to do

well, they have to show proof that if we stop, that but that's the key, though.

Like, if you show them proof, then the world falls into anarchy.

And, like, who knows what the outfall or the, you know, the fallout is from saying, like, look, there really are aliens out there.

Can we just get our shit together so we can fucking advance?

But we're never going to get our shit together, so why wouldn't they call up another business?

Wouldn't this be the impetus, though?

I don't think so.

No, why?

I don't think that.

You're never going to convince a bunch of sun-baked terrorists to give up their arms and stop fighting the military you just you won't no no if we're like hey we could have free energy they're like if you show an alien trillion gallons if you fucking trot out an alien and you oh if he came out the alien came out yeah you trot him out and show us proof nope give it a week and then people will say that's not a real alien

you saw with covet in real life like for about a week everyone was like oh yeah no COVID, everyone's going to stay in their house.

Then all of a sudden, everyone lost and went off the tracks and went their own ways within like like two weeks.

You think an alien with free energy is going to change?

I know what you're saying.

I know what you're saying, but an alien's a fucking game changer.

With COVID, again, what are you doing?

You're listening to the government who nobody trusts.

Right.

You're right.

I see an alien come out and tell me, like, stay in your house or you might get COVID.

I'm locking the doors.

Like, whatever you say.

Agree.

But

that's why, if the story, it depends on how it's delivered.

If it's like this guy from the government has been talking to aliens in his email.

But if Alien Dave Dave finds it and he says we have to go to the bottom of the story, I would listen to anything Alien Dave has to say.

But if it's like, here's a U.S.

official who's like introducing P2, our alien friend, who promises us zero-point energy.

Now that story is coming to us through some government guy.

I think it's got to be that watchmen theory.

Yes.

Not like drop a squid on Times Square, but more like...

I was getting there.

Yes.

An alien, an alien.

That unites us.

Yes, an alien instigates the first point of contact.

The world reunites once an alien comes out and says, look,

we can make this place, this globe you live on, this planet you live on, a thousand times better if you just stop acting like fucking animals.

Do you think big oil?

Do you think big oil is going to accept that?

You think the weapon industry is going to accept that?

What's the alternative?

We don't know what we're doing.

If it's one alien, here's the problem, because we're positing this situation.

It's got to be, it can't just be one alien shows up for one afternoon and says, get it together and leave.

What has to happen is that, like, thousands of aliens need to come to every major city around the globe.

Yeah, that won't scare me.

Yeah, I know.

We're not going to listen to them.

We're going to attack with the weapons that we have.

That's why, what does the alien care about what we're doing here?

If the whole thing is like, why the fuck are they even here?

That's my point.

I'm out of here.

Go home.

Yeah,

someone's shooting those aliens the second watch.

Of course, somebody's shooting the aliens, man.

I think humans are a violent race.

I think all the world governments know, though.

Yeah.

They're well aware they're aliens, so they're not going to shoot them.

They're not going to order the military to shoot them.

Now, maybe there are some private citizens who may, like, you know,

the 300 million weapons that the United States private citizens have, just us?

No.

Yeah, I think they're going to shoot aliens.

I don't know, Walt.

I think that religion alone is going to cause so many trends.

Did he just make a statement on gun control?

No.

That was a statement.

We found them.

That was a statement that there are 300 million people just the United States with guns.

The government may not tell that you shoot the aliens, but you don't think out of all those people that have guns, they're going to shoot the aliens?

They're going to shoot the aliens.

I don't know.

I think Q already nailed it.

Well, you said something like,

you said, I don't know the exact phrasing, but you were like, any

alien society, I think they get big enough and then they destroy themselves.

Oh, yeah.

I think, I think that's, that's, I think, pretty clear that the human race isn't going to exactly pull out.

The internet didn't unite us, having endless information.

We're not a species that's supposed to be united.

We're just not.

We're never going to be, I don't think.

Is that a species thing, or is that like a higher

improvements we've made since like since we crawled out of the primordial ooze?

Yeah.

Look how much

advanced we are.

You know, not everybody, and we got a long way to go, but look how much we have advanced as far as how we treat each other.

It's not perfect, but

we are way better than we used to be.

But you're only talking about certain parts of the world.

There are parts of the world that are not any fucking better than they used to be.

Oh, they definitely.

There's nobody still living like they were back when in caveman times.

Oh, I disagree, buddy.

I think there's a certain continent you could go to and you would see it.

Like, it's a lot.

And then, and then religion, people are so into religion that, like, aliens come.

You're talking about not using plumbing and shit to practice.

I'm talking about everything.

But, like, think about

how religious people will accept an alien coming and being like, well, now you have to incorporate this into your thinking.

It'll blow.

It's too much.

Maybe it already happened.

It's too much.

Maybe Jesus was an alien.

It's possible, but only some religions

give a shit about aliens.

I just think that, I don't know, man.

I just don't think that we got a shot.

But you do agree, though, that like, I mean, the state of the world is,

I mean,

you can't even compare it to what it was back when it was uncivilized times.

I agree the United States is that way.

Yeah.

But I think that if the United States went away, you would see humans revert back to that pretty quick.

You think Canada is going to go to shit without us?

You think they're going to start.

Let's hope so.

Well, if something so horrible happens that the United States folds, I think the world is in a lot of trouble.

And then I think once all these rules that we've created for society aren't in play anymore, you're going to see people's real fucking.

I've seen people.

I love this.

I love what you're saying.

But there's a lot of people out there

that call you Captain America and they try to do it as a

slight.

As a slight to you.

I don't can't bring it.

I love America.

That's right.

I love that.

I love that you fucking, you know.

Yeah.

So is there no hope?

You know, for you to get the overkill?

Fucking

that's, again, that's not, yeah, that's up to the listeners.

No, no, no.

The writing's on the wall there.

If societies only get big enough to the point that they destroy themselves, and even outside intervention from some alien from across the galaxy doesn't matter.

There's no end game except for destruction.

I don't think so.

No.

I don't think so.

Well, what's the fucking look at your life?

What's the end game of your life?

Anybody's life.

We all die.

We're all going to die.

We're all trapped in

a fucking thing where you die.

It's like, I don't think, I don't see the human race.

Well, what if it's like the Matrix?

What if we just keep going over and over again, trying to fix our errors every time we blow up?

Well, then who's running the Matrix and how far along are we until their eventual self-destruction?

Maybe you'll find that in the next overkill.

Yeah, it'll happen.

It's all going to happen.

I just don't think that

I don't.

I think the writing's on the wall.

Does anybody think that the human race is going to fucking suddenly pull it out?

I want to live in a world where, yeah, I don't have that hopelessness and that cynic view that you have.

I would like to believe that

it's not going to be in my lifetime, but at some point we aren't going to be using violence as a way to settle things.

Sure.

I like to think that that's possible because you've seen such advancements from, like I said, from when we first

became thinking creatures.

It's gotten better.

We live in a country that, like, if you described it to people in the Middle Ages, it would sound like heaven.

Like,

it would sound like heaven.

It just would.

And that's how great this country is.

And there are still people in this country that are killing each other every day

and violence.

It's not on the same level, though,

that we were.

Peace is only achieved through fear, really.

That's the only way it really works.

Yeah, so it's like, you know, it's just something about the human.

Now, look, that doesn't mean you and I are going to go out and kill people or anything like that, but I just think that as a whole, the human race is pretty bends towards self-destruction, I think.

There's an organization that.

Because who cares?

We're going to be dead.

Sorry.

We're going to be dead.

Like, how much could you care about 200 years after you die?

I don't, but I still see a trajectory

that shows me that like things are just going to keep getting better.

Things are just going to keep getting better.

And maybe it will get to that point where we finally figured out that like, what are we doing?

I mean, what are the going?

Why the fuck am I killing that guy

who lives 100 miles to the west of me?

Because he's got a different God than you.

Right.

Maybe we will figure it out at some point.

You know, that that's not the solution.

Like violence isn't the solution to the discussion.

Yeah, maybe.

So, what do I know?

I don't, I don't, I don't.

I like to think so anyway.

It seems like the only way that could happen is when the end times come, because that's the only time people will believe.

Watchmen.

Yeah.

Holy shit.

I was wrong or I was right.

Pretty dark stuff.

That's what Overkill's about.

The dark stuff.

Yeah.

Dark webtime.

That's right.

Did you have another story or was it?

No, no, no, no.

That was everything.

Of course.

Yeah, I think it's time to wrap her up.

Wow.

All right.

Well, What are listeners?

I don't envy the listeners' position here.

You know?

No.

They've got to pick somebody.

Young boy genius, Tom.

With his new hair deal?

Looking all smart.

Thank you.

How do you feel right now, Tom?

Oh, I feel like I'm going to lose.

So do I.

So we both feel like shit.

Yes.

That's an accomplishment.

That's where we watch it.

Not good enough.

Yeah, welcome, welcome.

And you'll only think that way because of some people on the internet who posted some

nice things.

Yes.

And those are the people that are voting.

Yeah, but there's also people out there who will vote with like,

you know, with their hearts and what they heard and what they, you know, what they feel

will generate entertainment for them.

Because if they're going to fucking vote to fucking against what good content, like what the fuck?

Then you deserve what you get then.

I'm going to put GitHub on if that's what the fuck you people are going to do.

You're going to throw this election.

Thank you both.

So how are they going to vote?

Like what's Twitter?

Okay.

I'll put it on Twitter.

I'll put a Twitter poll.

Yeah, so go to at TellumSteve Dave on X, formerly Twitter.

And I'll have the choices up there and you can vote

probably starting Sunday.

We'll put this out.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you both.

What's the ending for you?

Thank you.

Thank you.

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