#464.5: It Was The Times: Black Christmas

Hello and welcome back to another episode of It Was the Times with Frank Five.

Yes, hello.

How you doing there, Frank?

I'm doing well, Brian.

And people may notice there's a third mic this time around.

Our good friend Chelsea.

Hello.

13%er who knows a lot about horror.

And

we're talking hard today.

So, or is it horror?

How do you,

right?

Yeah, well, I pronounce everything incorrectly.

So you're not going to want to ask the upstate New Yorker, but Chelsea, how do you guys pronounce it?

See, we do it like horror.

Okay, yeah, you're way wrong.

But I say it like horror.

Horror.

And where are you from?

I'm from Glasgow in Scotland.

So that's why my voice sounds like this.

Okay.

If I come across as really awkward, it's because I am.

So what this is is a pilot program, Frank.

And a lot of it is resting on Chelsea's shoulders today because you and I talk movies and shit.

And I think from now on, maybe we can just randomly pick somebody who wants to come on who knows a lot about a movie.

And, you know, it's a kind of a way to get everybody involved.

So, Chelsea, if you fuck up, ruins it forever.

I'm the first person.

Yeah, you're the guinea pig.

Yeah, you're it.

I'm so lucky.

Yes, we're listening to what the people want and we're giving it to them.

Yeah, they're like, less of you guys, more of someone else.

You may think that my horror movie knowledge is way better than it is.

I disagree.

Maybe you said 70s, you're not as familiar with.

But when I went to a con in Scotland, this is how I met Chelsea.

I went to a convention in Scotland with Mike and Ming,

and we had an ant meetup one night, and there were a lot of people there, and everybody was drunk, except Chelsea.

and myself we were sitting off like to the side and she wanted all she all she wanted to do was talk horror and make fun of ming's dance moves so i'm like this is a person that i can get along with.

Oh, I talk sopranos as well.

I talk sopranos, yeah.

So like everything she's talking about is right in my wheelhouse.

Yeah, definitely very likable.

Yeah.

Just collects right away.

So that's how I met Chelsea.

And today we're going to talk Black Christmas,

1974 movie by Bob Clark, directed by Anyway.

This is the third Bob Clark movie we've done, Frank.

It is.

And, you know, it's kind of weird because Bob Clark, I mean, he seems like he's probably an off kind of guy.

I mean, he made the Christmas story, right?

Which was that wholesome, wonderful.

But everything else that we've ever reviewed of his is a little off.

It's a little bit fucked up.

Yeah.

With this one taking the cake, I think.

Have either of you guys seen the movie Death Dream?

I've never seen it.

No.

It's also Dead of Night.

That's another one he did in the same year he did Black Christmas.

I recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it.

It's not the easiest movie in the world to find.

But it's about this guy.

He was like a Vietnamese, Vietnam soldier from America.

He gets shot over there.

And as he's like going out, he remembers like he's thinking of his mom saying, like, Andy, you said you would come back.

You have to promise to come back.

So when he, even though he

obviously.

expires on the battlefield because his parents get a notice.

They're like, hey, your son died.

So they're all broken up and upset.

But then a few days later, he shows up.

And they're like, of course, they're overjoyed.

They think it's just been a mistake.

But you know, from there on, it's kind of like pet cemetery a little bit.

Oh, okay.

Except with a human.

Yeah, so he's not the same person.

No, not at all.

And he becomes less and less the same person as time goes on.

It's really cool.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

Definitely something to check out.

This movie, you could actually find, I don't know about you guys, I found it on the website voodoo, V-U-D-U,

and it's for free.

So the website is free.

The movie is played for free.

I don't know if they had any other of the sequel or any of the other remakes.

I think that the one that was 2006 was on that website, but not the newest one.

Have you seen either?

No.

And I've, because when I was doing the research for this, they just got such poor reviews.

And the last one, that's all I kept reading about was that it was all

girl power, politically correct, kind of, you know, and I don't know how you even do that with this movie.

That was the latest one.

Well, that's why it didn't work because they were kind of trying to like turn it on its ear and have the girls be, you know, overwhelming the killer.

But it's like, well, how does that work?

Right.

There's, you know, then if people aren't afraid of someone and the killer's supposed to now be afraid of them, it just doesn't really.

I heard in one of the remakes, they went into the backstory of Belly.

that i don't recall yeah i i saw the 2006 one too they're so forgettable and again like why do you want to go into the backstory of billy like isn't it better you know now that if you haven't seen the movie go watch it and then come on back because obviously we're gonna hit you with a bunch of spoilers

but uh

much like like michael myers you like not knowing his origin or why he's so fucked up I find more appealing.

Or in this movie, even knowing who he is by the end.

Yeah.

One of those rare occasions where they're not going to tell you.

I have to agree with you on that.

I'm definitely somebody who likes things more in a nice, neat package.

And then to have this movie where at the very end, you still don't really know who the guy is.

Normally, that would be something that would bother me.

But it totally works, I think, for this movie.

Yeah.

Yeah, because the phone rings at the end, so then you just assume it's not the guy.

Yeah, he's still around.

whoever they get.

I mean, they don't, it's really weird at the end, too, because you know, we're really jumping ahead here.

I know, but isn't it weird at the end how they know that these that uh Peter and Jess, you know, they find them.

Uh, Jess appears to be the last one alive, but wouldn't they search the entire house?

Because Claire is still upstairs, like in the window, like

with a dryer, dry cleaning bag over her head.

The police force, it must be a Hamlet.

I guess,

you know, because I mean, you know, they have Sergeant Nash, who was a complete, you know, he makes Barney Fife look like SWAT, you know, it's bubbling.

Yeah, it's just horrible.

But yeah, and the fact that they all left her was ridiculous.

They didn't even take her to the hospital.

Well, she, no, she was already sedated.

They were letting her rest.

This killer is still on the loose, and they're all like, let's go.

We're all going to go to the morgue.

This was a Canadian movie masquerading as an American movie.

Like, you could tell the obvious accents, some of the street signs, that kind of thing.

Now, what I've never seen is a Scottish horror movie.

There is one.

It's a werewolf movie.

And oh my god, the name.

I think it's Dog Soldiers, actually.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that.

I think it is really good.

It's great, actually.

Dog Soldiers.

That's the only one that I can think of.

Or maybe there's just one Scottish guy in it.

So maybe it's not even a Scottish.

It's not even Scottish.

You guys will claim it, though.

That's it.

They claimed it.

Like, what else is Scottish?

What is Scotland known for?

Or Scottish people known for?

Playing?

Lochness Monster.

The Lachness Monster.

Or bad food.

Bad food.

Yeah,

that was a big...

deterrent to ever go back to Scotland was their food is I mean I found it to be very like I felt like Walt Flanagan how Walt Flanagan feels in America I felt like in Scotland.

Like, I see how the way that Walt is with food, that's the way that I am.

Like, I'm so picky.

I'll just pick a food and then I'll go with it for like the next five years.

So, imagine it living here and being like Walt.

But, what is it?

What are you guys like known for?

What, what do you eat?

Um, like, haggis.

I was gonna, that's what that was the only thing that was gonna come to my mind.

Isn't that something like that you cook in a cow's stomach?

It's the lining of a sheep's stomach, I think.

But then somebody said to me yesterday that it wasn't even meat and I was like, what?

News to me.

That's what your guys are known for.

Blood sausage too, right?

Blood sausage do you guys eat?

Square sausage.

I think

you said when you were on the panel at the Comic-Con, you were served a potato scon.

And

you were just so confused because you're like, this isn't a scon.

Yeah,

yeah, I can't remember what they handed me, but I'm like, this this isn't what i get at starbucks this is something different

yeah edinburgh edinburgh is different edinburgh is like a different breed

yeah it's different than other cities and yeah

it sounds wonderful it actually was like it was really cool like we like ming and i went to i spent a lot of time with ming looking at castles and old old type stuff uh i went to um a museum of uh like medical like a medical torture museum and shit it was uh it's a very cool place.

I mean, I'm sure you don't think so because you've lived there your whole life, but like visiting there, I thought was

interesting.

People from Glasgow tend to have something against people from Edinburgh for some reason.

I can't explain it, but I get it.

You have something against them, you just don't know why.

The next time that you come here, come to Glasgow.

It's much different.

That's where all the cool people are.

Yeah.

All right.

The best people.

So this movie, Black Christmas, basically

it opens on

a sorority house, and there's a bunch of girls living there.

And they're about to leave for Christmas break, I believe, right?

And

one thing we've taken some hits on, Frank, is people, some people don't like that we.

recap the entire movie.

Okay.

So

we'll just skip around.

We'll recap some of the movie.

Yeah.

Just some of it.

Yeah.

How do you guys like pick which parts you're gonna they're gonna talk about?

I don't know.

That's why you're here.

Yeah.

You pick all the interesting stuff.

No pressure.

So

normally like we talk a little bit about like the background of the movie, like, you know, how much it costs to make and when it was released and, you know, any little interesting facts and stuff.

And then, you know, basic plot.

And then I kind of just, what I have is is just what happened throughout the movie, just some talking points.

So we, we will, we'll just, I did a lot less than we normally would.

I only have like four pages this time.

So it shouldn't be as bad.

Yeah.

So basically these girls are about to

they're about to go home, most of them.

They're getting crank calls.

You know, this is one of those

people are calling saying really, I mean, it's said in a note that I read that the girls are reacting to stuff that's very tame.

Like when it was read on set, what they were saying was very tame.

And he went, Bob Clark went back in later on and added all that really weird shit.

See, and that shows that he's not all there in the head.

Right.

He's also thinking, man.

He's thinking,

if I say to these women right now what I really want to put in the movie, they're going to freak out and be upset.

Because this was, you know, 1974.

There's a scene where uh barb who's played by margot kidder and she was uh lois lane of course and superman says something like uh hey this is a sorority not a convent and like humor like that i guess was sort of ribald in the sense really

you know

you know you know one thing i wanted to ask was chelsea how old are you I'm 21.

I mean, I'm 22 next month, if that makes any difference.

Okay.

So you're going to be 21 next month.

I'll be 22 next month.

22 next month.

So, Ry, you and I will remember what it was like to actually have a landline on a house phone.

I remember a rotary phone.

Yeah.

So, I mean, the phone ringing or getting a crane call, I mean, that's not something that even happens nowadays because of everybody with their cell phones.

I remember, you know, our phones ringing late at night and how you did get that feeling of nervousness.

Because it was, you're like, this is bad news.

always nobody calls this late unless it's bad news yeah

have you ever had a landline me no i know you have yeah

i i mean i still do i've still got one you have one really yeah let's see it it's it's probably rotary do you have a rotary phone no it's like it's just like a normal landline

And why do you have that?

Like so few.

I don't, even I don't have a landline.

I'm an old man.

Everybody like gets one.

If you like, see what internet package you get or whatever.

Like everybody has a landline that comes with that.

So nobody uses it, but they've got it.

I was going to say, like, people,

even, even myself, it's like, I would much prefer to text than get on a phone and talk to someone, you know, especially if it's not about something important.

So yeah, I can't imagine a line.

Like, it's just not like it was back in the day.

Like, you remember in the 70s and 80s, like the trope was like girls constantly on the phone talking to each other, having, you know, like mean girls having like four-way conversations as uh technology advanced but as far as like this movie goes it's like there was a line and that line would never stop ringing until it was picked up or the person on the other end gave up yeah like i mean i don't even know if there were rudimentary answering machines i was just gonna say no answering machines and i mean look at when they went and traced the call i mean it was all mechanical and you know with gears and stuff wasn't that cool it was really cool It makes you wonder: like, how did they actually trace it?

I mean, did this guy have to see what spool or whatever was moving and then run to it and then try and figure it out that way?

It was incredible.

That guy, that lineman, he's the same guy who played the Christmas tree salesman in a Christmas story.

Get out, really?

Yeah, the guy he was negotiating with.

Oh, wow.

I didn't pick that up.

I didn't pick up on that.

Yeah, that's the same dude.

Oh, that's awesome.

Have you ever been crank called, Chelsea?

Like, have you ever received threatening phone calls or at least weird ones and i never answer my phone in general so

it's just it's just something i'm like

if you can text me then don't call me please that would be the biggest plot hole these days like somebody if especially if you don't recognize a number you're like i'm not picking that phone up right like why would i it's almost like

if it's like a private number as well so Yeah, it's almost like this movie couldn't happen nowadays, not because it's not a good movie.

It's just the technology.

Oh, yeah.

You just couldn't do it.

I mean,

I don't know.

I remember when, I mean, I don't know about you.

I mean, did you ever prank anybody on the phone when you were younger?

You're talking about me or Chelsea?

Either one of you, but you, Brian.

Chelsea, you have?

Oh, I used to do it all the time.

Like, for whatever reason, when I was like six or seven, I would call 911 just to see who it would peck on.

Even though that's not like our number, we're 999.

so you were dying on an emergency line

yeah like over where you guys are so i was like i'm i'm fine they're not gonna catch me oh yeah that's horrible

outside my house so i would just go there like i'll go to a public phone i would i wouldn't do it from like my own phone

i would do it all the time i like the like

the the reverse phone calls like there's this thing i can't remember what it's called but if you dial a certain number it charges the other person that picks picks up and i would just call all these random people

nothing else to do all right you were committed yeah

my friend and i would randomly call people and pretend we were from a radio station that they had won a big prize like we'd give them a very easy question they would answer and then we would be like oh you know you didn't win

like some stupid

i know but that stuff was like so much fun i um we used to do a couple of different things one of the things i i used to do is back in the day um cordless phones, you could pick them up on police scanners.

You would program in the number.

So I would listen to the different neighbors' phone conversations.

And then like, if somebody made like dinner reservations or something, I would then call the restaurant back after and cancel them.

It's horrible.

I know.

That's like neck and neck with the 911 shit.

Committed.

Yeah, committed.

Funniest thing about when you make a crank call to somebody and they're like, who is this?

Like, I'm not going to tell you.

Like, Like, that's the one question I'm not likely to answer.

It is.

The more upset they get, the better it is.

What I liked in the beginning of the movie, I don't know if you noticed, but like

right after there's the, I mean, right before the crank call, the guy sort of walks into his own POV and he climbs up that trellis.

Like, have you ever climbed a trellis to get to a girl or snuck in a window?

You want to know something?

I have.

I haven't climbed a trellis, but I have snuck into a house before to see a girl.

Now, is she aware of you before this?

Well, that's a totally different question.

You didn't ask me that.

One of them was.

No, the one girl, yeah, she was aware that I was coming over and visiting.

You ever sneak in?

I never had an opportunity to sneak into anyone's house.

No.

No, I've snuck out of the house many times just to go do things, but sneaking in, nah, never had that.

Chelsea, any sneaking?

I've never snuck into anybody's house, and nobody snuck into my house because,

I mean, nobody had a reason to sneak into my house because my mom would just knock here.

They could just knock on the door.

Yeah.

All right.

Another question I had.

Well, wait.

So this girl,

Claire.

She

walks upstairs and she's getting ready for, you know, to leave, like everyone else.

She goes into her walk-in closet, and this is where we eventually find out this guy's name is Billy, throws a plastic bag over her head, suffocates her, and then for whatever reason, puts her what I didn't think was the attic, but the top floor, right?

Because there's a top floor and then there's the attic.

I had a hard time getting the layout of this house.

I think that it was the attic that he brought her in in the rocking chair, right, where it's looking out of the window, right?

That I believe is the attic.

And the only reason is because at the end, when they killed Mrs.

Mack,

they were in the same spot.

Were they?

Because she looked like she got hauled up, didn't she?

Mrs.

Mac got hauled up,

but I don't know about Claire.

Claire, it just she was killed.

And then the next thing you knew, she was in that rocking chair.

So I kind of just assumed that he brought her up into the attic off camera.

Right.

Mrs.

Mac is the house mother, by the way.

How did nobody hear?

What's that?

I mean, how did nobody hear?

Like, you know how the really awkward stare to get up to the attic?

Yeah.

Like, how the fuck did nobody hear that?

Or hear her screaming as, like, you have to assume that, like, because what they do is they swing this, the Billy swings a winch hook at her.

And I guess you're supposed to assume that it, like, hooked her, like, in the, under the jaw or somehow it hooked her.

And then he, like, winched her up into the attic.

I feel like there'd be a lot of screaming going on.

And people would hear that.

Yeah.

Or just hauling her, I mean, groaning from him, hauling her big ass up there.

I mean, it's dead weight now.

And it was a lot of dead weight.

Miss Mac has a drinking problem, as you'll learn throughout the

one thing that I was like, look, I know, well, the Scottish people, you love drinking, right?

Oh, yeah.

Our tolerance is just to the riff.

Off the charts.

Do you love drinking so much that you would hide it in a toilet tank?

That seems extreme to me.

We just do it out in the street.

Like, we don't give a fuck

there's something about like um hating it in books and everything that's just like extreme

like you remember like uh i think it's vermont's uh license plate like their state slogan is like live free or die

is i think it's vermont vermont or new hampshire one of the two yeah i think it's new hampshire where veto went for the sopranos right yeah because it was live free or die that sounds like that's how scottish people live all the time huh like the entire place is just like fuck it

Fuck it.

It's chaos.

Chaos and shitty food.

See, I feel like 21-year-olds here are so different from the 21-year-olds in America.

Because we've already done the drinking and stuff since we were like 13.

So

is there a drinking age there or no?

18.

Take it.

Okay.

Right.

So if you're 21 here and you're sneaking drinks at 18, it makes sense that, yeah, you would start at like 14, 15, somewhere around there.

13 seems young

well after she got done pranking the police department she decided to go back and have a couple the galt was too much for me

this is something i don't see a lot either in in real life uh i don't know if you guys have experience with carolers people who sing christmas carols coming to your house no i thought it was an american thing

oh maybe i mean it you i remember people from the church when i was young uh coming and singing but i couldn't remember if, like, you give them a tip or not.

Like, wouldn't it be awkward for you to answer the door and a bunch of people are just singing an entire song to you?

And I don't, you know what?

I think when somebody sings to you anyway, it's like you're being molested.

There's like nothing, you know, you're so uncomfortable.

I hate it when anybody sings.

When somebody sings happy birthday, I don't like any of it.

Like, I have a buddy of mine who loves to sing.

And whenever we're in the car and a song comes on, he'll just start singing.

And, you know, it gets to a certain point and he'll like turn to me to say the phrase, the refrain, or whatever.

So, like, I'll keep talk radio on just so I know I'm not going to have to hear him sing.

So, I don't like any of that at all or happy birthday or any of that.

No, not even happy birthday.

Well, nah, no.

Is it that you don't like, like, what is it you don't like about happy birthday?

You're just being the center of attention, or do you not like singing it to other people too?

I never, you know, I don't sing it.

I fake it.

I don't sing it to anybody.

Yeah, yeah.

I usually

mean

i it's you're calling me mean no it seems like bad luck or something well no no i i guess the center of attention i don't like being the center of attention i don't once again i just don't like people looking at me and singing to me it's just kind of weird i mean i really feel for those poor waiters and waitresses they have to do it in the restaurants that is that is awful because you can see that their heart is not even close to being in it and they're like this is something that like i wasn't aware i had had to do when i got the job but here we are

i think i saw the most uncomfortable thing two weeks ago i was actually going to text you um there was a kid celebrating his like 11th birthday at hooters

and all the

And all the waitresses came around and they were singing happy birthday to this 11-year-old.

It was so uncomfortable.

Now, would you take happy birthday from a bunch of Hooters waitresses?

Yeah, I'd be able to do that.

Would you suffer suffer through it?

I'd suffer through it.

I'd push through.

Yeah, I thought so.

So Jess goes to the conservatory, tells Peter she's pregnant and she doesn't want to have it.

Now, this is a big moment because I didn't particularly care for Jess's character.

Me neither.

Up to that point.

Now,

what she does is she goes to this, her boyfriend Peter works at a conservative, or

is a student at a conservatory.

He's a piano player.

He's practicing for his recital coming up, which I'm not like, I'm not exactly sure what this was.

If these people were judging him for something, like a grade or whatever.

But he's playing in front of these.

He's next, he'll be playing in front of these three people.

But before that, Jess shows up.

And this is really kind of shitty timing on her part because she has to know that he's about to play.

And you know, he's under a sort of a stressful situation and says, Yo, I'm pregnant.

I'm going to get an abortion.

And he's blown away by that.

Now, what's important to remember is like this is 1974, only 1973, a year before was Roe versus Wade and abortion became legal.

So she's exercising her rights toot sweet, man.

She's right in there with it, you know.

But I liked later on, she also is like,

you know, he comes to her.

And because he's not giving up.

He doesn't want the baby killed.

He doesn't want the abortion.

And he then says like, hey, I want to marry you.

Like, let's get married.

Like, that's the solution.

Let's get married.

And she's like, no.

She's like, remember all the shit I said I wanted to do when we first got together?

I still want to do that shit.

You know, and he had dropped out.

He said he's going to drop out of the conservatory.

And that's why they'd get married.

And she's like, just because you change your mind doesn't mean I'm going to change mine.

And that moment, that's when I liked her.

I was like, that's a fucking, that's, that's girl power.

If to me, it felt really, and I hope this doesn't sound sexist, but it really felt like role reversal because it seems like usually when that happens, it's the guy who wants to get rid of the baby and the girl wants to keep it.

Usually, not all the time.

Dude, I was yelling at my TV, like, are you fucking crazy?

You're getting out of jail.

Get jail, get out of jail-free card, man.

Like, what are you talking about?

Go play the fucking piano and shut up.

Idiot.

And I, and I felt for him because I had had a girlfriend.

I used to have a girlfriend, you know, obviously a long time ago who used to pull shit like not the pregnant shit, but used to pull that kind of shit where

we got to talk.

All right, what do we got to talk about?

We got to do it tomorrow, you know, or we'll talk about this later or whatever.

And I fucking hated that.

Always left you hanging.

Always left me hanging.

You know, and then you're just nervous the entire night.

You know, what is it going to be?

Is this going to be it or whatever?

So I kind of felt for even though I didn't like Peter, I felt for him in those few moments.

Yeah, he was kind of douchey.

As were all the guys.

Like all the, right?

Yeah.

Chelsea, like, did all the guys come off as kind of douchey?

Yeah.

I don't know if it was just a haircut, so I just had something that I was like, I just really want to hate you so bad.

The only one that the only guy I was like, all right, he's pretty cool was Lieutenant, I think, Fuller.

Fuller, the copy.

John Saxon, right?

Yep.

Who is the dad?

uh was uh heather legencamp's dad uh in nightmare on elm street

he looks the same in that movie.

He looks exactly the same.

He has that, he always looks real tan, too, right?

Yeah.

There were some things that, like, again, like the joke of the times when Margot Kidder, Barb, is at the police station, and the, I guess, what was his name?

Nash.

Nash asks for the phone number.

And at that time, now, even I don't remember this, where there was an exchange, you know, like it's the honeymooners or something.

and she says you know it's f da da da da da or fellacio

and then i guess nash doesn't know what that means which i found hard to believe yeah i mean he's he's obviously an older gentleman he's a sergeant so there had to be some type of promotion that took place and he doesn't know what fellatio is and then when they call him out on it it was almost kind of like almost like he was opi you know from

oh is there something dirty you know is it something sexual and it's like well yeah, you know, you can figure that out.

Yeah, that seems from what I hear from Troy, that's very typical, like ball-breaking, dark humor type shit with cops.

Because I guess you have to be that way.

Yeah.

You know, otherwise, you go nuts.

Let's see.

We go back to the police station, and this is kind of like, I guess, this was just a setup for something that happens later on.

But a mother reports that her high school-aged daughter is missing.

Yeah.

I'll run through a couple of these things.

Barb gets drunk and abusive, horrifying Mr.

Harrison.

Mrs.

Mac gets killed.

Billy flips out, tears apart the attic.

And then this is the setup.

They lead you to believe that

the high school girl is Claire or somebody else.

And

where they find a girl dead in the park.

Yeah.

And they kind of lead you to believe that maybe it's Claire or maybe it's one of the other girls, but it's just this high school chick and then never mentioned again.

Right.

This movie was filled with red herrings.

You know, I mean, you really,

I mean, Bob Clark was throwing you all over the place.

You, there was that, there was the fact that he was framing everything to make it look like Peter was the murderer, that Peter was actually Billy.

I mean, there was, there was stuff all over the place.

This was a really like slow burn.

type of movie and a um and definitely filled with red herrings that that

just really got to me Chelsea, do you have the,

because like your generation is raised on a way different type of horror movie, like different editing, different writing, different, like everything is kind of different about it than the 70s, especially the plotting plot lines.

People do not accept that.

Like if you're not like off to the races within the first 10 minutes, you're going to lose everyone.

So like, is this, is this kind of movie more difficult for you to watch?

Cause you're like, would something fucking happen already?

well, see, the first time I thought that was kind of my thing, I was like, This is a really slow burner movie, and I was like, Okay, right, get to the point.

But then

I think, see how, because the voice in it, I'd like they don't really do

like see how the voices that he uses on the phone and stuff like that is never that kind of suspenseful in the movies that I grew up with.

It's always like the jump scares, the ghosts, the like the home cameras, like everything.

It's but it's way better back then, I think.

yeah you're right this this style like once blair witch took off everyone was like holy let's do a found footage movie you know or found footage plus you know like recorded like a paranormal activity or something like that and it obviously works because a movie doesn't make a ton of money uh but yeah i would think it's more of like an mtv style cutting like as they say like things are very quick and yeah the jump scares uh sage watches those uh annabelle movies

uh And that is just jump scare after jump scare.

There's no real, like, there's mood.

There's a little bit of mood.

Like the one, have you seen him?

Any of those Annabelle movies?

The one where he makes the dolls, like,

all the orphan girls come to the house and they're living there with this fucking really weird guy and his wife.

And then the wife dies.

And actually,

they watched their own daughter get hit by a car.

That's why he makes Annabelle in the first place.

It's like the one where Annabelle was created, I think, wasn't it?

Yeah, creation.

Yeah, I think so.

But yeah, I mean, that's that was pretty fucking horrifying, like that girl stepping out in front of that fucking racing car and just getting mowed down right in front of her parents.

I was like, Jesus Christ.

Now that's an opening to a movie.

This was more along the lines of, I felt, like Hitchcock almost, in the sense that Hitchcock always said, it's not what you see, it's what you don't see that makes it scarier.

Like if you think back to the movie Psycho, not once do you ever see the knife going into

the Janet Lee character because it was left to your imagination.

And it was the same thing kind of like with this movie, you know, it's what you didn't see that really made you nervous, those, that, that phone call, not knowing who Billy was, not seeing who Billy was.

It made it more scary, I thought.

Yeah, not, and I mean, certainly like you just being like, oh my God, he's in the fucking house and these people don't know it.

Like that's like, I watch a lot of that ID channel shit, you know, fucking murder porn stuff.

And

that's, those are the scariest ones, I think, where somebody's in your house and you're sleeping.

Never, you couldn't be more defenseless than when you're fucking sleeping and somebody's looming over you, deciding your fate, basically.

Yeah.

You know?

That's a shitty position to be in.

There's not really much like storylines to movies coming out today.

today.

Like I think the Condra movies, they're a bit kind of recycled, but each one is the same.

You go into cinema and you watch it and every time you're like, I've just watched the same movie.

You know what I find difficult with movies today too is like you're not you're not given enough time to

like the people.

You know, it's like if people like a modern day horror movie, if somebody's getting killed, you're like, I don't care because I've only known them for five minutes.

Whereas like like you take something like the haunting of hill house and it's like spread out over you know 10 hours where you get to know these characters then you can invest something but in a movie that you know is going to end in 90 minutes and like you say is very formulaic so you're like well i know what's going to happen basically you know a bunch of people are going to get killed and then there's going to be some kind of twist ending that is like you're you know you're left unsatisfied right

Exactly.

Like, I mean, even with this movie right here, I mean, I know you said, I forgot who said you didn't like Jess.

I think it was Brian.

But I kind of liked her.

So by the end of the movie, you know, I really was kind of feeling for her.

I was like, when Nash called her up, I mean, he fucked it all up.

They're like, don't tell her that there's anybody in the house.

Just tell her to go outside.

And he calls her up and he's like, all right, we need you to go outside.

He's like, she's like, well, I got to look for my friends.

And he's, she's like, and then Nash is like, no, there's, he's in the house.

You got to get out of there.

I was feeling for her.

And I was like, just get out of the house.

Don't go and look for your other two friends.

I don't want anything to happen to you.

Did you not find that the most annoying part of the movie is when she went up the stairs?

You think so?

Oh my God.

Were you not just like screaming at TV?

Like, just fucking leave the house.

If your friends were upstairs, you'd be like, welcome.

I'd be like, bye.

And that's Scotland for you.

Right there.

Yeah, they're hardcore, man.

Yeah.

She's going to go and have Haggis down the street.

Yeah.

That would be a rough one.

Like, two of them, two, like, like two very good friends are upstairs and they're like get out but like your only weapon is a fire poker

like if they come you know that the killer's in the house and that there's probably like the killers upstairs and your friends upstairs like you just assume okay they're going

yeah there's going to be an id channel show about them pretty soon

you're right

we didn't No, I was going to say, we didn't mention, I mean, the stuff that this guy was saying to when he was calling were probably the most vile and disgusting things that I think you could hear in 2020, let alone 1974.

I mean,

the first call, he just said a certain word.

Chelsea, do you remember what he said?

Oh, she has no problem saying it.

She's from Scotland.

Are you kidding me?

This isn't an international anthem, right?

Yeah, they call each other that all the time.

A term of endearment.

Yeah, but it was like i mean i had never heard it that many times in a movie before

yeah it was like multiple megs from science of all

yeah

so i mean it was just it was just very very just very very disturbing yeah that's how i knew like nikki bronco was like hey you're a good cunt i was like thanks man

Nash says, hey, get out of the house.

She doesn't listen,

goes up to try to help her friends.

and wasn't it a weird eye that was looking looking at her through like i couldn't tell what color it was it looked like it was brown but it sort of had like a like almost a cataract around it yeah it was almost like a halo effect like that was the light shining into his eye and i wonder if they were even doing that so that you couldn't figure out what color his eye was because Before I watched it, because I watched this twice, I was looking at Peter's eyes to see if they were the same color.

And, you know,

you never found out what color Bill, you couldn't tell what color Billy's eyes were.

That was really scary, that part.

I was just wondering, like,

I don't know if you live alone, don't even say it, but if you were home alone

and that's what you see, like you see a door cracked open and you just see that eyeball staring at you.

I guess it would depend on where in the house you are as to what your move is.

If I'm in like the back of the house, I'm like, I just, some people need to just accept their, they're doing

really?

Okay.

Oh, my God.

She is way tougher than I'll ever be.

Yeah.

That reminds me of like when I was in third grade or like second grade.

And I think I told this on the show one time that I thought in horror movies, people really died.

I think I remember you saying that.

Yeah.

And that's like, I remember thinking, like, that's.

how I want to go.

When I die, I will just want to, like, I just want to be in a horror movie and get killed.

That's how stupid I was.

But I was accepting accepting my fate, much like a Scottish person would, where it's just like, oh, fuck.

You don't even want to die like peacefully in your sleep.

You're just like, I want to die in a horror movie.

Die screaming.

Yeah.

God.

I would be screaming and running out of the house, screaming like a little girl, help, help, help.

You know, I want to still live.

You'd leave your friends behind.

It depends who the friends were.

It's that friend.

It's that friend that always sings to you.

Oh, he's gone.

He's a goner.

Billy's chasing Jess around, and I like that snatch of the hair.

That looked very real when he reached over the banister and just fucking grabs her hair, and her fucking head jerks back like that.

I thought that was well done.

And he also uses like this technique where it's like he's constantly going like this.

So you can sort of see things at the top of the frame.

You're like, oh man, I can see somebody's like legs.

Who is it?

Are we going to see them?

Like, he built a lot of suspense that way.

I thought that was well done.

definitely the um

like you could have cut out the the high school girl shit certain things you could have cut out maybe brought it down by five six minutes yeah but i think that the high school girl i think that that was maybe like because every time he makes a phone call it's after he kills somebody

so i think that's like when the first phone call came that night so that was like after he killed her Oh, so you thought, you know what?

I didn't even pick up on that.

And did he, did the phone ring?

And the phone did ring after the cop's throat was slashed too i think the first phone call was was it barb's mom or something and then the second one was the guy but that was after he killed that high school girl

and then if you notice through the movie every time there's a call it's after he's killed somebody i didn't notice that see i didn't know that either i didn't even doing the heavy lifting here yeah i didn't even pick up on that he probably this is how deranged i am i didn't pick up that he was probably the one to kill the high school girl i just figured they had two killers running around the area.

Oh, you didn't?

You thought that was coincidental?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't think that.

That's really bad luck.

Yeah.

But

this is credited as being like one of the first slasher movies like this along with Texas Chainsaw.

But is it a slasher movie?

Because you never really see anybody slashed.

You don't even, even when he's stabbing Barb with the with the unicorn, you don't see anything like you don't see any penetration of the uh what's it the even like the when you see the killer like stabbing barb it doesn't really look like peter i don't think no if you pause it and you look at it you're like that's like a completely different person

i found this to be more of like a psychological type thriller than it to be a slasher or

like silence of the lambs is a psychological thriller yeah like a violent psychological thriller

Jess sees a silhouette in the window.

It's Peter.

And I guess she thinks, like, fuck, man, this guy's going to kill me.

But as he approaches her, we hear a scream from inside the house.

And then

Peter is dead.

Jess comes to, and then they speculate that Jess is the killer, possibly.

Yeah.

That seemed not.

That seemed like poor police work.

You know, one thing that did get me, and I didn't catch this until the second time through, was

another red herring that was thrown in.

When Jess went to Peter about wanting the abortion, he made the comment of, oh, what do you think?

Killing a kid is just like having a wart removed.

And then later on in the phone call, it was Billy saying the same, pretty much the same thing, like having a wart removed.

And that's when I was like, oh, I'm like Inspector Clusso.

It's, it's obviously, it's obviously Peter.

I don't even have to finish watching the rest of it.

And then when at the end, you find out that it wasn't wasn't Peter, I was like, How the fuck did he know that?

But then, in the second time through, it was like, Well, he's been in the house the entire time, right?

He would, he would hear this.

I can't figure this out.

I think.

Another

thing that I thought was interesting and made it more girl power, more girl-power-y for me, was at one point,

uh,

Fuller tells Phyllis, like, hey, I'm gonna have my man out here, so you'll be all right.

And she's like, Yeah, okay.

Like, she does make kind of a snide remark, but it's the truth because if you look throughout the movie, there are no men protecting the women.

It's the women, I mean, a lot of them die, but it's the women looking out for each other.

The men really are sort of peripheral, you know, they don't

lend a hand.

Even Peter gets himself killed.

Yeah.

I mean, Peter just showed up and got killed.

Yeah.

And he really didn't know anything that was going on.

Yeah, like he thought his worst problem was his girlfriend got an abortion.

And then this plant piano recital.

No, no, no.

Yeah, that was weird, too.

I thought that the cop was like.

Lieutenant Fuller was like, hey, what did that mean?

And she's like, you know, nothing.

And he's like, I have to know.

And she's like, well, I was going to get an abortion, right?

Fine.

like i thought it was weird that he forced that out of her yeah no it was just a random thing that was said i mean

and i think it was funny too that they were listening in on all the phone calls i mean you know yeah like everything everything that they're they're listening to you know you would think that all right this isn't one we're going to trace but i think he kind of suspected peter from the very beginning because he peter got upset with Jess and was running out of the house when the detective and the phone repairman were coming in.

And I remember the detective turned and was like, Who's that?

And she said something like, Oh, it's just my boyfriend or whatever.

So maybe that's why he was like, Yeah, you know, trace this one too, just to be on the safe side.

Yeah.

You know, they didn't hit it off right away and he was suspecting him already.

Can you imagine it took like that level of effort to trace a phone call back then?

10 minutes.

Yeah.

Like, keep them on the line.

She's like, it's fucking upsetting.

She keeps saying the word cunt.

I don't want to hear it anymore.

What am I from Scotland?

I mean, an obscene phone call with God knows what the guy is doing on the other line.

And you have to hope that he's lasting more than 10 minutes.

He'd probably just be done and hang it up.

Good luck.

There was a mention.

In fact, Bob Clark said it himself, like

that.

He was friends with John Carpenter.

And John Carpenter asked, like, hey, if you were ever going to do

another

Black Christmas, like, would you do a second Black Christmas?

Bob Clark says no.

And he's like, well, what would you do?

And he's like, you know, I'd do Halloween.

And then basically describes the pop plot for Halloween.

And then years later, you know, John Carpenter makes it.

But Bob Clark was so gracious about it when he was saying it.

Like, I don't know.

Maybe, you know, he probably didn't.

But it's like, dude, if that's what you said, he definitely stole it from you.

Yeah.

I think I saw somewhere as well, they said that Halloween was the first movie where we saw the killer's point of view.

And then I saw Black Christmas.

I was like, that's a lie.

Yeah, it's definitely not.

I think Peeping Tom also was another one from the 60s that I think first used that.

This is one of those movies, though, that also uses maybe one of the first ones, along with Texas Change, saw that uses like that final girl.

trope where it's like everybody gets killed, but there's a girl left.

Usually it's a girl of good values and shit, you know?

So you would think it would have been Claire.

But, you know, it's it's like all the naughty girls they get killed, and then the one virtuous one gets to hang around.

You know, like in Friday 13, anybody that has sex is just gone.

You're done.

Yeah, you're done.

You're done.

It's almost like the killer is playing God and deciding who's virtuous enough to continue living and who isn't.

God, that sounds appealing.

And I think that final person thing originated with that Agatha Christie book,

And Then There Were None.

It was written in 1939.

First, it was based on a poem

10 Little, and think of the most offensive word you can think of for a black person.

And that's what it was.

And then, and it was written in the UK.

And I think America was like, no, no, no, no, that's not going to wash.

Yeah, we got enough issues here right now.

Yeah.

So they, so they renamed it 10 Little Indians.

And I think even that in time was like, look, then it became 10 Little Soldiers.

It's got to be something else.

Yeah.

And then they were like, fine.

And then there were none.

And it's about these people on an island getting picked off one by one.

And I think that was like maybe the first example of that, like that style of story, story writing.

Out of all the characters that were in this movie, I mean, who do you feel like would represent you the best?

I mean, Chelsea, which one would you say you were, you shared the most personality with?

It's really weird.

The first thing that came to my head.

We say Barbara.

The first thing that came to my head was the cat, like Claude.

Claude just disappears.

He's out there.

Minds his own business, doesn't get involved.

And we never find out what happens to Claude.

And that was like the only thing that I was left with.

I was like, oh my God.

claude appeared to get a lot shaggier halfway through the movie i don't know if it was a different cat or it was just they were shooting him differently but it looked like like he had like much fluffier hair like as the movie went on so you identify with the cat the most that's that's a good answer yeah

what about you identify with the cat yeah

i feel like billy would be like nah I'm not going to bother with a cat.

He's about killing women.

Yeah.

Those are cool voices, too.

Like they said it was like four or five voices all mixed in.

Yeah.

And what's awesome is if you listen to the

voices and you listen to the phone calls, you can start to, and I read about this somewhere.

It wasn't like I came up with this, but you can almost start to piece together Billy's backstory.

You know, he, he, at the very, very first phone call, it's, you know, he's talking about Agatha, right?

Or Agnes or something like that.

So you could assume that that was a sister.

So Billy and Agnes.

So he had a sister.

And then later on, there's a phone call.

I think it was the last one where he starts saying, why did you leave him alone with Agatha or Agnes or whatever?

And you could almost assume that now it's the father speaking, yelling at maybe the mother asking, why would you leave?

Agnes alone with Billy.

So you can kind of start to piece together that, you know, there's probably four people in this family.

Something traumatic happened where Billy possibly killed his sister.

You know, and you can kind of figure stuff out that way.

I don't know if you guys picked up on that or not.

I did not.

I picked up on, see, when the eye was in the camera, like in the door frame, I think when he was talking, he was saying something like,

don't tell anything about what we've done, Agnes or something.

So it was like he and his sister done something.

Okay.

So

Agnes is still alive.

Maybe like people love incest porn these days.

That's like the number one category.

I wonder if it was like an incestual, because that would fuck somebody up.

Yeah, like, so you think him and Agnes were doing something?

Billy and the brother and the sister were doing something?

Like, they did something bad.

So I don't know if they maybe there was like a baby because he said he was talking about a baby as well.

And I was like, maybe they had another sibling.

Maybe they killed the baby.

See, and I was assuming Agnes might have been the baby.

So it's really wild.

I mean, it's really, we would have to like go back and listen to each, just each of the phone calls.

Agnes could also be the aggressor.

You know?

I mean, it does really sound like different voices on the phone.

I wonder if the same person did actually voice it all.

I think so.

I think I read that.

Oh, where is it?

Bob Clark played Billy's shadow and the phone voice.

There was another guy I saw an interview with where

he played the main Billy voice.

And he said that sometimes he would like stand on his head and do it.

So his voice was like, so it was compressed.

Like, I guess his diaphragm was compressed and he would like do it like that.

I just, I can't imagine getting a phone call like that.

I mean, like I said, I remember when we had, when we had those landlines and stuff, I mean, I remember getting, you know, before star 69 and you could get the call back and caller ID and all that, you know.

I remember getting, you know, we would get prank phone calls or whatever, nothing as obscene as this.

And just like I said, after it happened, if the phone rang again right afterwards, you just had that pit in your stomach.

Like, what do we do?

I think

it plays into the movie itself, too.

Just it's the unknown that is scary.

So when somebody was calling on the phone, it is unknown.

So it makes it a little bit more scary than if you were being confronted with somebody face to face, I think.

Yeah, they know something you don't.

In fact, they know everything that you don't.

Yeah.

I like how they call it obscene phone calls as well.

Well, they were.

We'd peck up and be like, fuck off.

That looks definitely very different.

What else do I got here?

They changed the name, or they were kind of trying to change the name.

First, it was Silent Night, Evil Night.

because American distributor feared that the title Black Christmas might cause the film to be mistaken for a Blacksploitation movie.

However, the film didn't do well under the new title.

It was changed back to the original Black Christmas because that's when a lot of Black Exploitation movies, I guess, were coming out.

Like you had Shaft and Superfly and Black Caesar and all that stuff.

Blackula and

all of that.

Yeah.

So it would stand to reason.

And I guess they thought, like, Black Exploitation Movie is not going to play, you know, in the sticks.

It's going to play where, you know, exploitation movies played.

And Bob Clark definitely has something going on with like the college life, you know, so sororities, fraternities, things like that.

Because the last, what else did he do that we did?

Porkies, porkies, yeah.

Porkies was one.

Um, was there another thing that we did with him, or just we did a Christmas story with him, Christmas story?

Porkies, yeah, those were

okay.

I've never seen a Christmas story, no, haven't?

I know it's like one of the main Christmas movies, but

you should check it out.

Yeah, you guys have Christmas there, right?

No, we just can't like we chop cheese in for no reason.

So what else do we have to say about Black Christmas?

That's all I have, I think.

Yeah,

I mean, like we talked about the remakes.

It was made on a budget of $620,000, 1974,

grossed $4 million.

You know,

this wasn't the first movie Margot Kidder was in, was it?

No, I think she was in other stuff, but this is what kick-started her

kick-start here.

How much did it cost, you say?

$620,000, 1974 money.

Yeah, let me check that.

I love doing these conversions.

And I thought she was fantastic.

And I mean, this is how in the dark I was.

I knew she had died.

I knew Margot Kidder had passed away, but I didn't know how.

And when I was doing the research and I looked to see how it was, it was very sad, you know, that they ruled it a suicide yeah they had found her in some bushes or something prior to that she was like going crazy yeah yeah uh alcohol was it alcohol and drugs uh overdose overdose by suit suicide by overdose so she was barb she was barb

what year did she die

it was pretty recently right within the past few years yeah i think like was it

not 2016 which does that sound right that's sticking in my head for some reason yeah maybe

Yeah.

But I mean, I remember seeing her in Superman.

She was, you know, and she was fantastic in this.

I thought everybody kind of played a pretty good role.

So how much was it?

Oh, it turned out to be about 3.3 million.

Oh, wow.

So it was an expensive movie back then.

I guess so.

Well, the Canadian, at the time, they had just started that Canadian, like...

that Canadian program where they would subsidize film and shit like that.

That's why you see so many 80s crummy Canadian movies coming out, specifically horror, because they had this subsidy where they would pay a whole bunch of the

budget for in order to, I guess, stimulate the film, the film industry.

Now, how did you guys feel about Mrs.

Mack as a character?

Do you think she was not necessary?

She was absolutely necessary.

Yeah, she needed somebody to lighten it up.

Her alcoholism did it.

What's that?

You brought the humor, I think.

Yeah, you needed, I mean, they did use the joke several times, I think three to four times that she's secretly drinking.

And then at one point, she starts cursing people out and shit, you know?

Yeah, she was like, Claude, you little prank.

Yeah.

I will say I laughed at one point because she

everybody was getting killed.

And then one girl was missing and she was just singing and dancing as she was packing up her clothes to go visit her sister.

That is odd, yeah.

That is an odd reaction.

And when she was covering up the stuff, and was it Claire's room because it was like all sex shit?

Oh, yeah, she had, yeah, when her dad came in because he's all prim and proper.

Yeah, there's like a poster of like some guy on top of a lady naked, and she just like holds her hand up against the poster.

And there's all kinds of, I mean, these girls are like 21, 22 years old,

you know, but I guess again, different time.

Hey, it was the times,

hey, it was the times,

So yeah, so I mean, that's all I pretty much got.

I'm trying to think.

There's nothing else that I have that we didn't already

talk about.

Overall, what do you give it?

One to five, Frank.

I got to be honest with you.

If it wasn't, if it wasn't for you, I would never have made it five minutes into this movie.

But because you said it was good and we were doing this,

I watched it and I was glad that I did because

I ended up liking it.

I really did.

The first time through, I didn't like it that much.

The second time through, I did.

So I'm going to give it probably a four.

Yep.

I'll give it a four as well.

Because I think the first time I saw it, I did think it was a bit slow.

But then once you get to the end and

the little twist in it, so I was like, yeah, I could watch it again.

Yeah, I'd agree.

I'd give it a four as well simply for the

stuff that could come out that would help it along a little bit to make it a little bit faster.

But as far as like the uh the script and the the photography and shit i loved it i thought it i think it really captures the era of horror movies at that time you know because you had like the exorcist you had uh you had this you had he did uh children shouldn't play with dead things

you had um by this point i think may of blood had come out you know so you had you had a lot of uh

A lot of horror where it wasn't there before.

It was like cheesy sci-fi monsters and, you know, teenage beach blanket bullshit, that kind of stuff.

And this was like the beginning of the 70s was really the beginning of that wave of like non-universal horror and non-sci-fi, non-Martian type stuff, you know?

And I think this, what happened with the main gist of this movie, the fact that the villain was in the house, plays on a fear all of us would have.

I mean, this, the movie was based on a story and then it was based off of an urban legend called the Babysitter and The Man Upstairs.

It was also based off of some

murders that happened in Montreal that I had read about that took place.

I think it was like at the 60s, 60s or 70s.

But, you know, I can tell you that

where I live, we have a sliding glass door in our bedroom, my wife and I.

And there'll be times in the summer where we'll keep the door open, but I will not keep it open and fall asleep because I would, I would, you know, that's all you would, that's all I need is somebody to walk into the bedroom and kill me, you know.

But I mean, it's a, it's a true fear of just having somebody come into your house.

But there was a time when people didn't lock their doors.

Where in Scotland?

Well, I'm like, I've watched stuff from like America and they're like, yeah, there's a time when we didn't like lock any doors and then serial killers came about.

Yeah, I never understood that.

It's like, oh, you know, it was the kind of place where you could leave your doors unlocked.

Why the fuck would you?

You have a lock.

Why would you just not lock it?

Is that just like something mentally where people can look at it and be like, I know that I'm safe.

Like, I like you want that feeling of like, I live in a place where I know I don't have to worry about crime.

I could never do it.

I mean, maybe it's because of where we live.

I mean, Brian, you probably always locked your doors.

Oh, yeah.

Jersey and New York.

I mean, even though I'm upstate, I mean, we always, I mean, I,

I mean, we actually, my house got broken into twice.

Once when I was younger, uh, we had somebody break into the house, and then when right after my wife and I had gotten married and moved into our own house, we had a break-in.

And I, you know, even back then, we've always had the doors locked.

I mean, so I can't imagine living someplace where, oh, we just keep our doors unlocked.

I just couldn't do it.

Yeah, Chelsea, I'm imagining your doors are locked.

Oh, yeah.

Then who's that walking behind you?

I actually live like in a nice area, but like I remember I looked out the window one night, it was like 3 a.m.

And then I just saw my neighbor, like this guy who was like trying our door.

He was wearing this like black hoodie.

And I was like, I should really call somebody.

It was your door?

It was my neighbor's door.

So I was like looking at it through the kitchen window.

I was like, oh my God, somebody's trying to break into our house.

And that's when you decided not to call emergency services.

Well, it was the Tibes.

He didn't get in.

Our door was locked.

So I was like, he left.

There's no point.

I'm going to have to get like right up about this with the police.

I'm going to have to give a statement.

You're going to have to get involved.

And nobody wants to get involved.

It's better to just keep to yourself.

I agreed.

All right.

Well, that's it for Black Christmas.

We learned a lot today, Frank.

We learned that Chelsea has a landline.

And

we learned that you've been broken into twice.

Yeah.

Do you actually have a fact about a serial killer in relation to this movie?

Oh, yeah, you said something about Ted Bundy, right?

So Ted Bundy, when this movie came out, that was when he was actively killing.

And then later on, when he was asked about why he did what he did, he said that it was because of porn and horror movies.

And then when he, I think it was the second time he was in jail because he escaped, he escaped again again and went to a sorority house.

And he used the name Chris Hagen, I think, to get in.

And the character is Chris Hayden, which is Claire's boyfriend in the movie.

Really?

So I was like, maybe he was inspired by Black Christmas.

Yeah, that was a particularly vicious.

killings too.

Like, didn't he kill two or three people in that sorority house, right?

Like, he's a big biter.

He's always biting people and shit.

Like, what the fuck did he do though?

That's like how he got caught out because of his teeth friends.

Yeah.

Do you have any other notes there?

That's it.

That was like the only one.

I just looked up.

I was like, maybe because I was watching a Tape Undy thing.

I was like, maybe that's a relation to Black Christmas.

That is interesting.

Well, I think that is it for this episode of,

you know, it was the Times.

It was a pleasure.

Yes.

Thank you, Chelsea, for joining us.

I think this pilot program worked, Frank.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun having somebody, a third person

to go off of and stuff.

What did you think, Chelsea?

I thought it was great.

I mean, like, I've always wanted to

sit and talk to you guys for a really long time.

We're going to need you to post that on Reddit if you don't want to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're okay.

I spoke about the Sopranos.

I wish I was there.

Yeah, I wish we could have gone longer than an hour.

I love it.

I've still watched, I'm still watching the Sopranos.

So good.

And you know what?

Well, I can tell you this after we hang up.

Yeah, we'll hang.

Well, we'll stop the recording.

We'll stop the recording right here, and everybody come on back next time.

We may have another third mic if they can prove that they can hold their water.

So until then, Frank.

All right.

It was the times.

Bye.