#325: Ignorance is Holy

Tom Steve Dave presents Over Gifford character with encounters in the sixth zone of an old kind

with Brian Cran,

Roger Flanagan, and Brian Johnson.

This week's episode.

Ignorance is holy.

Hello, and welcome to Tell'em.

Steve Dave presents Overkill

with Walt, with Q, with

Top paranormal researchers.

We haven't done much research lately, though, right?

It's limited to the internet.

Every month.

Yeah, but mostly I look at the internet right before I come.

I'm like, this looks pretty cool.

We should step up from Q because

he doesn't do it at all.

I mean, I'm looking at a cursed skull,

an object.

I mean, you guys never brought it to me.

That should bite us up.

It's sitting right on top of a Polaroid from Dimension Z.

So me and you seem all right, Walt.

Well, you know, I debunked the Polaroid.

Nobody.

By pinching and opening and zooming in and being like, there's no fucking way that's him.

You're crazy.

You haven't debunked the skull.

The skull's true.

Skull's true.

We may tonight.

Oh, right.

There's someone here who can

who will be able to verify

its authenticity.

We'll see.

A man of the collar?

What do you call it?

There's many names for priests.

Man of the cloth?

The collar.

Not an actual priest.

No, actual.

What are you talking about?

He's got two kids.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't even think of that.

Yeah, how are you a priest if you're out there?

I'm not a deacon, not a priest.

Okay, all right.

What does that mean?

Can be married in the Byzantine Catholic Church.

In where?

The Byzantine Catholic Church.

A deacon.

All right, right, I take it back.

What's the difference between a deacon and a priest, aside from these two?

Well, the deacon, you're deacon first, then you're a priest, then you're a bishop.

Oh, so you're going for a priest, and then you're going to put these two up for adoption?

No, I'm staying at deacons.

Okay.

What should we call you?

Can we call you father?

Father Lance is fine.

Do people call you Father Lance?

Oh, Father Lance.

Can I just call you Father?

Sure.

Can I call you Dad?

Hey, Father, can you help out an old altar boy boy?

I'm Catholic.

None of that.

No?

No exorcist references coming up.

He seems all right.

I mean, the man of the cloth is wearing a Telum Steve Dave t-shirt over his frock.

Yeah, I mean, we're not kidding around.

You're actually wearing a Telum Steve Dave t-shirt to three heads.

Oh, that's an old school one.

Oh, how'd you get that?

I didn't think Brian sent any of them out.

It was a miracle.

God works in mysterious space.

But yeah, yeah, I mean,

I told Brian, I was just like, if you had just walked in with your, you know, your uniform,

it would have been far more like,

you know,

impressive.

Well, real.

Right.

Like, you know, like when you wear the collar

under the Tellum Steve Dave shirt, it kind of loses a little, just not much.

It can never lose just a little bit because you're like, well, is that real?

Right.

Because he's got the Tellum Steve Dave shirt on.

And the kids.

The kids are.

Yeah, that doesn't mean I'm not.

There's lots of stuff.

There's lots of stuff.

Like, he's going to pop that little collar off and just a regular deacon.

Do you really don't know that deacons were allowed to.

No, I'm not Catholic.

How would I know that?

Well, neither is he.

Who wall?

No, follow me.

Oh, you're lance.

Yes, I'm Catholic.

But you just said you were like some Byzantine Catholic, which we aren't under the Pope, but if you've ever been to an Orthodox Church, if we go into our church, that's what it looks like.

Because we're descended from the World Church.

Maybe we should start with the differences

because the audience is definitely, not all of them are going to know.

All they need to know is he's a deacon and he's Catholic.

I'm just trying to fill people in, buddy.

I'm not trying to debunk the guy.

Sounds like it.

I asked him.

These kids are getting a little nervous.

Where's the t-shirt?

Now you guys, with all these questions about like, all right, all right, all right, all right.

Byzantine?

Yes.

So that means like your church is fancy, right?

Like real ordinate stuff.

We look the same as an Orthodox, which is what we were formerly Orthodox that joined the the Pope.

Okay.

How long ago did that happen?

Well,

depending on which region, like 500 years ago.

Because, you know, the Catholic and Orthodox Churches split at like year

1,000.

Okay.

And in the 1500s, some started coming back.

I see.

And the Catholics, what do they get wrong?

The regular Catholics?

No, nothing.

I'm just different.

different expressions of their minds.

I was trying to get them to start some controversy.

Really wanted to go to work.

Do you have a whole congregation?

Do you preach from the pulpit?

Yeah, I give homilies, yeah.

Not with the Tom C.

Dave shirt on.

I thought you were dancing around the kids again.

All right, cool.

I accept them.

Walt?

Thank you.

That's a low.

Did you see him just wipe his brow right there?

Cute.

Well, I fucking, I asked him what a Byzantine meaning, he almost bit my head off, so I'm just trying to move this along.

All right.

It's either Father Lance or, again, I'm doing a fake voice.

So, yeah, so this is our exorcist.

Well, we put out the call that we were looking for somebody

who had some experience with exorcisms.

And Father here replied to that call.

He's fought many a demon cue.

Yeah.

Well, let me.

Law oversold me last week.

I'm not an exorcist myself, but I did take a course with an exorcist.

Okay.

Sanctioned by the church.

Yes.

So, if you were on a plane, like I said earlier, and somebody was showing signs of possession, and somebody screamed out, Is there an exorcist here in the house?

Yes, to see you.

Who would be the main person?

If the plane was in danger, yes, I'd have to.

So, when exorcists taught the class,

how many people were in the class?

I'd say about 40 of us.

40?

Priests and deacons.

Okay, okay, got it, got it.

And is there a PowerPoint?

No.

Okay.

This is a double.

Right.

No, I'm curious if

they showed you examples or...

I mean, they spoke from their experience

in doing exorcisms.

In fact, it was a priest who was an exorcist and a layman who is a specialist in the field.

A layman.

Yeah, non-ordained.

They can do that?

Well, they don't.

The non-ordained doesn't actually perform the exorcism, but he's part of the priest.

Because the priest doesn't ever just go alone.

You know, he has

a psychologist on his team that'll make sure it's not just mental illness.

They have to have a physician or a nurse there in

case something physically goes wrong.

And oftentimes, you know, because Priest's pretty busy, they'll employ a layman who basically has dedicated his studies to the field of exercise.

Well,

this is already going to be one of the best episodes of Tell him Steve Dave ever.

I could tell already.

Really?

I'm fascinated right now.

Well, I mean,

let's get right into it.

I wanted to just now,

it's obvious.

You don't even have to ask the father here, but you don't believe right off the bat, right?

What, in what?

You know, anything we're talking about.

In anything at all?

Well, I mean, if you believe in...

How long have you known?

Do you believe in

the devil, God, and possession?

No.

Thank you.

Oof.

I'll tell you what.

It's never yes or no.

Like, I go to Brian, it's like, no.

Well, he made a joke at first.

Well, I mean, but he's, but he's, you're, you're going to tell me something other than yes or no?

He's taking the family circus circuitous route, roundabout bullshit, to

he's hopping over garbage cans, the neighbor's garage.

Yes or no?

Yes, Walt.

Yes.

You believe?

Yes, Walt.

I got your answer.

Not yes with an asterisk.

So you believe in God and you believe in God?

No.

You can't have one with the other, right, Father?

Well, if you let me explain, then maybe I can clarify.

Okay.

My point being is: I don't believe that there's a God as presented to us by

the man in the sky

who's watching us and judging us.

But I do believe that there are plenty of things we don't understand in the universe, and I can buy that there are beings out to hurt us that have gotten filtered through demons

that Father Lance here has dealt with.

Really?

Like, I don't believe in a God that goes on.

Really?

You really believe that?

Yeah, I do believe that, yeah.

So you think Father Lance has fought demons without him even having said anything yet?

He's like, I took a primer.

It was more of a seminar than a class, I guess.

Well,

I say, I believe.

I believe in possession.

I believe in God.

I believe in all that comes with it.

I'm not like a great Catholic.

Or even a good one.

What?

Or even a good one.

Look, that's just wrong, right, Father, for him to say that?

Hey, I can judge him, right?

Right?

Like, how, who is he to even say something like that?

I'm here telling him, I'm bearing my soul to the father.

This is a novel.

Yes or no, Walt.

Do you believe in demons and God?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

What the fuck do we need to hear the rest for?

Well, I'm talking to the father.

You notice I was directing that.

All the caveats.

Blah, blah, blah.

I got to stop cursing in front of your kids.

I'm sorry about that.

I apologize.

I brought that up as a concern, but

he said they're going to hell anyway, right?

Your opinion, your professional opinion.

You struck on something that I was going to ask ask you.

You have to like the devil just a little bit, right?

Because

without the devil, there can't be a God.

Without dark, there is no light.

So without an evil force to battle, good can't really exist.

So you got to be thankful for Satan just a little bit.

I guess I would phrase it maybe in reverse.

I guess we could all get along without evil, but because God gives us free will and free choice.

And if God is all good, then the opposite choice from him is evil.

So God has to allow evil to exist to allow free will to exist.

Otherwise, he's not.

I always thought that was a big cop-out growing up.

Like, well, why did this happen?

Well, God gave men free will.

I grew up as a Methodist.

And in fact, my mother told me when I was very young, like nine or ten, that

everyone except the Methodists are going to hell.

So

if you're sorry, guys.

I know people laugh or get it.

I was a witch, right?

I'm a bad Methodist, though, so I'll see you there.

But people

would be offended or

would take that as like

that's not very gross ignorance.

Right?

To be like, well, my religion is the right religion.

But if you're going to believe, you've got to go in.

If you're really believed, then you've got to believe that.

You have to take that stand that

everybody else is wrong.

I'm right.

Well, I think you can believe

in your system without

you don't have to be offensive to other people's.

But secretly, you have to be like, No, I do this.

You have to be like, well, they're wrong.

Because if they're not wrong, then

I might think their beliefs are in error, but I believe God's merciful, and I don't necessarily think He's going to judge them because Has my mom going to Hell of Fatherland?

No, but my mother's been in the hell of Father Lance

for the last four to six years.

So you can believe your way is the right way without condemning everyone else.

That's how I do it.

That's how you do it at home?

Yeah.

You're like, hey, the Methodists, jerk-offs.

We all know it.

No.

But

be tolerant.

Right.

I'm talking about the other religions.

You know, the ones we're talking about.

They're the ones who got it all wrong.

I think they may be.

In fact,

I should like to say that, right?

Because

if I really believe in what I believe, I have to believe that they got it all wrong.

Even though I'm not judging them, I'm just saying, well, they got it all wrong.

Well, but do we have to say they got it all wrong?

Whatever, you know, if God is truth, and whatever is true in what they believe, then they have

a piece of the truth.

They're just not maybe as far along the way

as we are.

Right.

Yeah, you guys will be enlightened ones.

Okay.

But that would be, like, you would agree, like, if I was to, if somebody was to, like, post, post,

Count Bookman says all religion is wrong except his,

that would be incendiary, right?

Incendiary, yes, it would be.

But why shouldn't they?

Yeah.

It would, yeah.

Where did you post it?

Where did you post it?

Where did I post?

Variety posted it.

Oh, variety got a hold of it?

Variety ran off it?

Oh, sweet.

TMZ picked it up.

But people would be mad for me for saying that, right?

I'm sure so.

Why, though?

I don't understand it.

Because I understand that they would say the same thing, right?

The other side's got to be like, well, they're wrong.

Well, Dari, press the hot button.

I mean, Islam is very upfront about we're right and you're wrong.

Yeah, we noticed that.

You don't say.

You know, you're not supposed to say anything about it, but there you go.

Oh, you're right, Kill.

It's going to be good efforts.

There you go.

I'm lying in the tall grass right now.

I can see, yeah, I can see your eyes going back and forth going on.

I wonder if I should leave now.

I wonder if she wonder if.

Oh, sure.

Simmy, I said some stuff.

Well, I didn't.

Father Lance did.

We need to get him excommunicated.

Can you be the official Padre of Telm Steve Dave?

TSD town chaplain?

Yes.

If somebody in the town got

possessed by a demon, call them in.

Or yeah, or any function.

They don't just, they just, you don't guys just spend your whole day looking for possessed people, right?

You do a lot of fun.

Oh, no, I have a regular job.

I'm a wealth of case worker.

So there would be a lot of functions for Father Lance and Telm Steve Dave Townsend.

Right.

He's delivering my check on the first of the month and exercising demons.

I like it already.

Now, when did you take your course?

What year?

Two years ago.

Oh, is that recent?

You're a relatively new exorcist.

Oh.

So they're, like, I thought, so they're still offering these courses.

For priests that are appointed, because it takes the bishop of the diocese to, like, take a priest and say, you are the exorcist for this diocese.

Then he sends them to Rome for the courses, which I think they stay there over the summer.

So they take a series of courses in Rome.

taught by the chief exorcist there.

And then they come back to the diocese.

And, you know, as people call in and say, I think, you know, a relative or

somebody might be possessed, and they investigate, like I said, they go through psychological testing,

medical testing, need to rule anything like that out.

And if they come to the conclusion, yeah, this looks like it could be possession, then

now you took the course in Rome?

No, no.

This was in my own diocese.

In Pittsburgh.

In Pittsburgh.

Is it?

Not as romantic.

Right?

Pittsburgh is the lonely town.

Yeah, it w like it would be it would make your it would make like

you would shudder a little bit, right?

I go home and I'd be like, Pam,

we're converting to Catholicism.

Is the chief job of an exorcist in modern times to

debunk claims of exorcism?

Like, that's mainly what they do, right?

They show up and they're like, nah, it's mental illness.

Nah, it's.

I think, unfortunately, some take that approach.

Really?

Unfortunately.

You want them to be possessed.

I knew you like that.

Well, I don't know.

Because how many...

I mean, I suppose we'll get to this, but my initial thought going into this, Father, is

there can't be that many

true examples of exorcism.

Because otherwise...

Possession.

Would you use the right word, for Christ's sakes?

Well, you can have an example of exorcism?

Somebody actually being exorcised or possessed?

Well, actual exorcism.

Well, yeah,

if you're possessed, you need an exorcism.

But you might not get it, right?

But

no possession.

So actual legit possessions.

Possessed?

Possessions?

There you go.

That's the right way.

You got to eat more than an apple a day, bro.

Well, I want to make sure I'm getting it right.

We can discuss that because there are levels to this stuff as well.

Clowns keep speaking all the way around getting to the moon.

They just stop interrupting me.

Okay, can we talk about that?

The different levels.

Sure.

So you can be lightly possessed, you're saying.

Well, not so.

I guess it'd be the levels of demonic activity.

So

are we jumping too far ahead?

Yeah.

Okay, yeah.

Because I wanted to ask him, yeah, I think.

Well, my original question was:

basically, there can't be that many true cases out there.

I would probably agree.

Yeah, I mean, of course, yeah, there are a lot of mentally old people that are going to claim.

There's probably far more false ones than real ones.

I would probably agree with that.

So, that's what I'm saying.

So, their main job is to filter out.

Like UFO guys to go out and try to debunk it.

You're trying to debunk it more than prove it.

Right.

But I wanted to ask your instructor.

Yes.

Had he ever performed?

Yes.

Oh, God.

So he had been in the room with someone who was legitimately possessed.

Yes.

That's what he says.

That didn't make you shudder?

It did, yeah.

I'm sure every listener right now is wondering if they it's hard to shudder in a in a store that's kept at 90 degrees at all times

this is um this is something I saw

Where is it now?

It ties into this.

International Association of Exorcists.

Yes.

Founded in 1990 by six priests.

There's a little over 200 members who meet biannually in Rome.

Does biannual mean twice a year or once every two years?

Once every two years.

Yeah.

I think it means.

Do I know anybody on that?

Do you know anybody that's in the International Association of Exorcists?

The Exorcist in the Pittsburgh IC, yes.

Oh, yeah?

So the guy who taught the class, he's like,

he's the real deal.

He's one of the two.

That's not that many people.

200?

Yeah.

I mean, unfortunately, not every bishop appoints one, so there are a lot of dioceses that just don't have one.

So there's a lot of possessed people running around because they're not covering their territory.

Like Q said, you know, a lot feel like, oh, the church is,

you know, we've got to move past this pseudosorpus superstitious thing.

I guess they equate it with superstitious or mental illness to be the modern take on it.

And that's not to discount that some cases are that.

But

again, if you believe in God, you have to believe in

the opposite.

What was the point of the course?

Like, why did they offer it to you and why did you take it?

Just to give us an awareness of, hey, this ministry exists in this area.

Here's the priest that does it.

Here are signs to look for.

And if somebody's coming to you claiming this, so we could make a referral to the exorcist

if we felt.

But

would you be nervous to make that recommendation?

Because you're kind of putting

your reputation on the line.

Yeah.

If you're like, I think I got an exorcism in you.

You know, after, if I interviewed the person and I felt

there was something authentic there going on, I wouldn't hesitate to give them the referral.

It's like if Giddam's head spun around.

Oh, I know if it's come to me.

Autism is not possession, Brian.

Oh, it's not?

No, it's gone over this many times.

I'm living in the dark ages.

I've got to catch up like the Catholic Church.

I've never stone him.

I don't request that you stone.

How long was the course?

A day.

Oh, it's just a day?

Yeah.

So I wasn't wrong.

It was basically like a seminar, like a one-day thing.

How long was it?

Like

an all-day thing?

Yeah.

What did they give you for lunch?

Eight to five or six.

Do you have to pay for it?

No, no.

Can anyone take it or no?

This was offered through our diocese to the clergy of the diocese.

But you couldn't let me tag along with you.

If you're in Pittsburgh, I'll try.

Oh, you want to be an assistant exorcist?

Would you go?

Would you go in the room?

Like as a

Brian Quint Jr.

exorcist.

Look at how balls he is.

Are you kidding me?

You're going to take a chance being in the same room, and you don't think that demon would just hop right out of whatever he was possessing and get into your ass?

Into my ass?

Yeah.

Literally.

But you know what?

Well, you know what I do.

You know,

you would take a chance on going into a room and knowing

that it could happen.

You would take that chance?

Yeah, I think I would.

As you can imagine, I mean, these things are super low-key.

You know, they don't average.

You would never know.

You should say that.

Once they're referring to it.

You should go watch.

The people allowed in the room are very few, obviously.

The Exorcist and his team, maybe a family member.

Yeah, it's not a spectator

thing.

Like, remember at at the end of The Exorcist, like, Father Karis, like, takes the demon into him and then jumps out the window and tumbles it down the stairs?

If you're in that situation, little girl, little boy, whatever,

you're just like, do you do that?

Do you sacrifice yourself?

Well, that's not how it works.

So

that's more.

That's the movies.

He's skirting the question because he's got his kids here.

Well,

that's entertainment.

Say this guy.

What's your name, buddy?

Isaiah.

What's your name?

John the Baptist?

Elias.

What's it?

Elias.

Elias?

All right.

Good biblical names, man.

Look at you.

Little Isaiah, he's possessed, and

you got to take the demon and then jump out the window.

Do you do it for you?

You got it, right?

Look at that kid.

If that's how it worked, yes.

Stop arguing that it doesn't work that way.

I just saw the movie.

Did you watch the series?

Did you watch that series?

Oh, it's so good, man.

I liked it.

I liked it a lot.

I liked it.

Of course, they do things for theatrics, but I love the whole

Illuminati trying to kill a a Pope Bengal.

Have you watched it all?

I was watching that series at all that you were like, oh, they did their research.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You're like, wow, what was your.

Well, I mean,

I mean, I would say for the, again, except for, I think, because, right, Gina Davis was Reagan.

Well, spoiler alert.

Yeah, you're right.

Yeah,

he's doing anything he wants.

You're right.

So we find out

in 2020.

Gina is really Reagan, and now Reagan's daughter's rental cover.

The Exorcist series.

Right.

All right.

You know, and she'd suck the demon, you know, she got the demon to jump into her like Father Karis got the demon.

Right.

But other than that, I thought it was well done.

Yeah.

What if the what was the guy's name?

The dude who taught the seminar?

Do you know mine?

No, his name.

Like

he was Father Submit or other?

Yes.

You were asking the same question.

You were asking if he remembers the name of the guy.

The guy who taught the class.

Yeah, no, I do not remember the priest, the exorcist name.

I do not know that you're not.

I don't want to name names anyway.

The lay expert.

For talking about this, could you get in any trouble for revealing anything about this?

I'm not saying anything that isn't public knowledge, I don't think.

I mean, of course, I talked about there are books written about this, and we can look most of this.

But you could, like, for coming on, you know, it could be like, well, why'd you do that?

Why'd you go on to this podcast and reveal this third-grade podcast?

Yeah, and he said, and they, you really have to stop wearing that t-shirt and a mask.

I take a picture of you in a t-shirt and short.

Can you hold up the devil horns?

What if the okay, whatever his name was, like

at lunch break at seminar,

he comes up to you and he's like, I see something in you.

He's like,

you are.

He's not even giving me an option.

He's like, you're going to make a great exorcist.

Would I?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Because how many people are in the class, you said?

Like 40?

40.

It's a ministry I've thought about.

Maybe when the kids are grown,

I could

talk to the bishop and to send me to Rome.

Oh, you're saying your kids are holding you back?

Yeah, do you boys are there for a bad?

Is that what you're saying right now?

I'm saying the time an exorcist has to spend probably,

you know, out in the ministry is probably more time than I could devote.

Plus, who's got to take a young exorcist seriously?

Like, you've got to get some

normal hair color and stuff.

You've got to wait until you're like white, maybe even salt and peppery.

While the beard starts.

Yeah, there you go.

How old are you?

I'll be 45 this year.

Is there a checklist of things that must be present before the church will declare

an incident a demonic?

Is there a criteria?

Like, this has to be met, this has to be present, boom, boom, boom.

And if they're all these things are there, it's a possession.

Let's get it on.

There are criteria for the exorcist to look for, and some of them might be present.

All of them might be present, but again, I think it's up to the exorcist.

What would some of those things need to be?

What would you need to see or hear or smell?

Well, taste.

Yes.

So

somebody submits to the exorcist, hey, I think I might be.

So he's going to conduct an interview.

And

it's not so much the interview itself, but he's going to test the waters, so to speak,

with the demon, if that makes sense.

He's going to start saying some prayers, say just some brief prayers to see if the person gets

agitated or

did you hear us?

I said agitated, and you said agitated

at the same time.

Wow, that's amazing.

You're immune to use the proper words.

Yeah, at the end of a sentence,

or both of their vocabulary is so limited.

I'll discount this.

I'll discount that right now.

He wants to associate himself so badly.

We're finishing each other's

sentences, right?

Sentences?

Oh, my God.

The sky is.

Oh, my God.

Go ahead, Father.

Don't listen to that.

Please continue.

So

the person's agitated.

Right.

So if there's some agitation or something, then they're going to schedule them for another interview this time, probably with a psychologist present and make sure.

Well, how does the the agitation?

I think we're actually getting ahead of ourselves again.

Yeah, what if, like, you come in and you're praying around me?

I'm agitated 24-7, so you're not going to be able to tell.

I mean,

unless he's doped to the gills on a lignal gills,

yeah.

If I'm doped up, then you're going to know it's not authentic and you can move on.

I mean, it's probably a lot less.

I'm not possessed.

I'll call my little brown

brown fucking

prostitute shooting up at the bed next to him.

Yeah, I'm like, oh, yeah.

All right.

This calms me down.

What is a demon?

What is a demon?

I'm trying to go back.

What do we put?

We jumped ahead too far.

What did you want to get to that?

I wanted that.

The basics, what is a demon?

Like, I want the info that we need.

The definition of a demon?

Yes.

A demon is an angel that has rejected God.

Really?

It's a fallen angel.

Yes.

So it has spent time in heaven.

Yes.

Or, well,

you know, when angels were created, Catholic theologians proposed they were given, you know, because they are pure will and spirit

and they don't live linearly like we do in time, they were given a choice.

Now, some theorize they were shown that God would become man

as Jesus Christ, and they rejected God becoming a creature lower than they themselves were and refused to serve.

It's like Giddam on certain days here.

Yeah, you should have seen it before you came in.

Like, I asked him to fix my watch.

He did it immediately, and Walt started complaining.

He's like, he doesn't do any of the work that I ask him to do.

No,

he fixed it.

Giddam fixed him.

He fixed it as if, like, with this manic, like.

He was agitated, like he was possessed.

Yeah, right.

And I asked him to do work that he's getting paid for, and he's indifferent to it.

This idiot

look over at some new comics, and he's running around behind me going, Do you need a flashlight?

I'll shine a flashlight

over your shoulder so you can see what's going on because you had the lights turned down because the exorcist was here.

All right, does anyone have any I don't have a flashlight.

I don't have any kerosene, I got a lantern.

Like falling over himself.

By the torch, a torch will do.

Just like Wolf's car and fire.

Falling over himself to meet some sort of bizarre needs that you like, like to

get some sort of like

validation from used to.

But yet, here, I give another fucker a job and he fucking and he doesn't even fucking do that well.

Do you think Walt's possessed?

I know like a stream of obscenity is.

I'm sorry, Walt, I didn't mean to say that, but it's one of the songs.

This is

David Drain over here.

This demon to my left.

I invited him in.

Like a real asshole.

Can I ask a question going back to

your statement about...

The passion he showed about it was as passionate he is about demons like exorcists.

There was no difference in the levels of passion from Waltz.

Because it is true, though, man.

I'm like, hey, could you do this, do this?

And it's like, I'll get to it.

And then when you come in

with those eyes closed, with that annoying eyes closed, as if like, oh, God, shut up.

Because I asked you to do some fucking work.

But you ask, you're like,

what new issues came in?

And he's like, do you need a flashlight to look at those new books, Q?

How's great is this drug?

You got to stop that.

But I always,

obviously, you know, just because of movies and pop culture or other forms of media, I assumed that it is

also, is Lucifer the big cohooner?

Yeah.

So I always assumed that he created demons, but you're saying that all demons were angels and that any demons there, like it's not like he's creating demons.

Correct.

Demon factory.

So like if someone like really heinous dies, they can't be like they can't go through their torture and become a demon.

They can't go through their torture.

Right, they don't become a demon.

Even the Hitler.

Although some exorcists do believe the souls of the damned can come back to possess.

That's one thing I always liked about the Catholic Church.

I always envied you guys.

You can do anything you want, as long as every once in a while you go and tell the guy, like, I'm sorry.

You could just go and do it again.

You got to be really sorry.

You got to mean it.

You got to mean it.

There's a big difference.

Well, who knows if you mean it or not?

God.

Yeah, but I guess.

He knows you're not.

So then you might as well not even bother going to confession, right?

I think the main flaw in it is like if you get into the end of your life and you're going to die,

then you're going to be like, oh, crap, what if this stuff's real?

Like, I may die.

I am sorry.

Like, that seems like ingenuous.

The door is always open.

The good thief repented on the cross beside Christ.

Right.

Made it in.

Yeah, do you think Jesus, like, when he, because I assume he went up to heaven right after he died, do you think he's like, dude,

we couldn't have done this another way.

I had to get tortured and hung on a cross and like I had to carry it in front of people.

And

I mean, well,

I thought before he was incarnated, he knew that.

I mean, I think that's what's

coming.

So amazing.

He knew what he was going to earth for.

But he's.

Let me ask your opinion on this, about this whole Jesus thing.

So he...

I'm not

trying to poke holes in it.

This is a legit question.

So like the idea was that he was around...

Jesus was around before he was born.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

So he is the same guy, or is he not the same guy that everybody commonly refers to as God?

Well, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

Right.

So they're

three separate persons.

Three persons, one God.

They're God

collectively, if that makes sense.

I thought you went to a Catholic porch.

I did, but

this is the stuff that I.

I thought you'd not ask that question.

No, no, no.

I understand that, but I'm asking, like,

what is his opinion of three separate person?

Put it this way.

When Jesus was praying to God to let the cup pass my lips and all that stuff, was he praying to himself?

I think that's the son addressing the father.

But they aren't the same person.

Well, they're the same, they're one God, but three separate persons.

So were they three separate people from the beginning?

Yes.

So

there was always Jesus, a God?

There was always a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit.

They just, did you read they found a star or something that was like, or a galaxy that was like older than this?

It's like...

12 billion years old.

They use some telescope to see, get him.

I'm sure you you must have read about it.

No.

No.

It's shocking that you wouldn't be reading about that at work instead of doing what Walt asked you.

Fix a watch.

You had to fix Jack's watch first.

Is that all you do now is fix watches?

It's the Swiss of the cover.

He does that.

So let's say it was, let's say, even 10 billion years.

What took God so long to create everything?

Like, that's a pretty long time to just hang out.

Assuming he was so...

I think that time moves the same for God as it does for us.

You'd have to assume it doesn't.

Well, I have to assume God wears a movement watch, much like myself.

Oh, we got a commercial?

No, we don't.

Get him to snack.

He's got like a snack on when he's.

That is a legit question.

I went to Walt's Daughter's Godfather, and I had to go to a class where the priest, I got to tell you, was kind of looking sideways at me, but I had to do like a communion.

And the wafers don't taste good.

No.

They're flavorless.

Has the Catholic Church ever thought about making them taste a little better so people are like, this isn't so bad?

Well, I got an issue.

If you go to a Blind Catholic Church, we actually use real bread.

Bread?

Bread bread.

Or not bread.

The priest makes it, but it's.

Because I'm just saying that

if you were to contract with Nature Bucks,

they may be able to provide wafers.

What a contract that would be.

Worldwide communion wafers by Nature Bucks.

Vanilla granola-flavored waif waif communion wafers?

Yeah, those wafers are pretty fattening.

And the bread, I mean, come on.

It's a lot of carbs.

Tons of carbs.

So you go to Nature Box,

you use naturebox.com slash T-E-S-D.

Maybe the Catholic Church can use our code.

That would really help us out.

You get heavenly discounts.

Yes.

Yes, Q.

It's endless, the way you guys could benefit.

And you don't even have to, like, I mean, really, like, who decided on the, who's like, let's, this crappy wafer?

Why not some vanilla gorilla like you like?

The best.

Some cashew clusters like I like.

I would go to church.

Fuji apples.

Oh, come on, man.

You would get 50%.

Get me another shoehorn.

This one isn't big enough.

You would get 50% off your first order if you just used maturebox.com slash T-E-S-D.

You'll never get bored.

New snacks every month.

That could be it.

Snack is communion every single week.

All right.

Every week.

52.

They have over 100.

You're covered for two years if you just switch to Nature Box.

Because they got over 100.

They're constantly adding more.

Oh, my God.

Come on.

Naturebox.com/slash TSD.

Do it for Tom Steve Dave and do it for God.

All right.

Let's move on.

I got to do it.

Well, what do you want from me?

I just, all the whole time, I'm just thinking, like, you know, I just feel bad for those for these two.

Do Catholics like audiobooks?

All right.

Okay, so a demon is a fallen angel.

Yes.

But what were the things in the checklist of things that

would need to be present for

them to go any further?

So after the psychologist and the medical doctor say, yeah, there's no reason

we see nothing.

to explain this

what sort of symptoms yeah that's what i mean like would it like be like

well then he's going to probably start,

for lack of a better word, like polymery exorcism, like some prayers and stuff to see how they react.

But what?

And then, like, a full-blown possessed person might display, and this, you know, the movies do get right, you know, they might talk in a language they have no business knowing or studying.

Because the angel generalism.

Like, for a cue, that would probably be English.

That was a good one.

They may

exhibit superhuman strength.

Right.

You know, it takes a few people to hold them down where it's a little girl and she's tossing two grown men around.

They may exhibit knowledge of things they should have no knowledge about.

They might know.

Like personal things about the exorcists.

Right.

Or about anything general.

Like, why would you do this to me, Timmy?

Exorcists are cautioned to make a good confession before they go in because unconfessed sins sins can be revealed

by the demons

in an attempt.

Oh, you look so bad.

It's a demon.

You know he's a liar.

I didn't do that.

Me?

Yeah, you could tell on his face, like all the other priests would be like, oh, for Christ's sakes, dude.

So

those things start to manifest.

And they're going to go for

full-blown exorcism when those things start to present.

Did the instructor recount anything like

anything extraordinarily

out of the title?

He had not encountered it, but he said in Rome they said some will levitate.

Oh, my God.

They said it's very, very rare.

Like David Blaine?

David Blaine positions.

I don't know if they met like Reagan, like lifting up off the the bed.

I'm not quite sure.

Oh, you're talking about.

Do you.

Yeah.

I want to be very respectful.

I'm not trying.

Take everything I say.

Please do.

Yeah, because normally on Overkill, I'll come in and just be like, this is all nonsense.

I want to say that, but I just want to dance around it a little bit.

I'm going to make it clear that that's not what I'm saying.

But there's no, in your mind, they're throwing classes in Rome for this.

This guy in Rome is telling that things levitate.

So in your mind,

they have to be telling the truth because if they weren't, then you're talking about a conspiracy or a sham that goes straight to the top of the church.

So, in your mind, if they're giving courses on it in Rome, it's got to be true.

Why would they waste their time?

Right.

Well, to, some might say, perpetuate this fear that keeps people in line.

But there goes to this question I have that I want to ask the father.

Why is it that the church doesn't talk about this more?

Why do they kind of not want to

bring it more into the public eye?

Because

I don't know about your church.

I'm sure it's strong.

You've got a healthy congregation.

But I would say that churches today are probably feeling a little bit of a pinch.

Attendances.

Attendance.

Down majorly across the church.

Why don't they bring this up all the time?

Get it on the TV.

Do commercials.

Your soul is in danger.

And if you don't, and then possession, you could be possessed at any point.

Get your budget into church.

Well, I think probably because if you're preaching to the choir thing, like until, you know,

if you're...

You're talking about Super Bowl commercial.

I'm talking about get it more out there.

Like this stuff is real.

Possession can happen.

It's constantly going down.

And if you're not like, if you're not on board, if you're not, and if you turn your back and you're not, I haven't been going to church for a while.

You may be able to rethink it because of this.

Why don't they do that?

Why don't they just really talk about it?

We got sweet sweet nature box of community.

I don't think you want to use

fear.

I don't think you want to use fear to

church the folks.

For hundreds of years, though.

Well,

I think at Vatican II, they kind of realized

the problem with that.

But attendance is down.

So

maybe they missed plans.

I want to use an example.

Well, the abuse scandal certainly didn't.

help.

That didn't help.

Yeah.

But

when you were doing Driver's Ed, you saw the Driver's Ed films about like you know you how about if you

blood on the highway like they should like you guys should be showing like

screencast week.

We should have the possession version of Reefer Madness and yeah I mean

it would be I think a lot of people need to be like

scared straight yeah scared straight

literally when it comes to those homosexuals.

Scared straight.

Yeah I thought gays were allowed in in the Catholic Church now, right?

I'm sorry.

Are gay people allowed the Catholic Church?

They were always allowed in the Call of Church.

They were always allowed.

Okay.

As long as you didn't tell them you were gay.

Well, no, I think even.

I just don't want Quinn to get kicked out.

I read his essay on Star Wars.

I don't want him tossed out of the Catholic Church because he's gay.

Father, did you read this article on Star Wars that I wrote?

I did.

What did you think?

Does that

make me a homosexual?

No, why?

I don't know.

Good question.

Who's saying such things?

I mean, well.

I don't read it.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Q wrote an article.

I said this off camera.

I mean, off mic.

I'm going to say it on Microsoft.

Very well written.

I was very, very impressed.

Who was it for?

StarWars.com.

Lucas Lucas himself called me and asked.

George Lucas asked you to write an essay?

No.

Someone from his company asked me to write.

Nobody sold it to Disney, anyway.

Well,

he's still,

I mean, he didn't call me to write an essay.

I don't know if that was clear.

He's poking a holster.

He believes in possession more than George Lucas Paul Jr.

So anyway, yeah, so Q wrote an article.

And what was your favorite Star Wars moment?

And his was when

Han and Leia, you know, Hans got frozen in carbonate.

Oh, I know.

And yeah.

The I know moment.

Yeah.

But what I thought was really great about the article, and I'm just getting around with you guys, was the underlying cynicism.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

You should read it.

That's why when you said you weren't going to like it, I was like, really?

Because I thought it was was

right up your alley.

It was really just a shot at Valentine's Day, the whole thing.

It really was.

It was good.

Thank you.

Great.

Where can you read it?

Starwars.com.

It's on the front page.

Nice.

Front page.

Front page.

Well, today.

Who knows if you're

not?

Thank you.

Anyway, demon.

Well, thank you.

Thank you.

You know what to do.

I complimented you.

No, that's not what I expected.

So.

Did anybody from the class go?

Like, did they move on, do you know?

Like, from that seminar, did any of those 40 people people move on?

No.

No?

They were all

parish priests and deacons such as myself.

What is the goal of a demon possessing a person?

Do they hypothesize?

The damnation of the person.

Thank you.

The damnation of the individual.

Oh, that's a slow process.

One soul at a time.

Does that pull that work in for one person?

But that doesn't even make sense to me.

The demon seems flawed because,

well, if they're possessing someone, then their soul is automatically exempt from anything that they do.

And couldn't God just be like,

that's what it is.

I mean, one thing you have to understand, possession, and again,

the movies kind of make it seem like

supernatural.

They always show they're like sucking this black smoke in, and then when they're exercised, it blows back out.

And it's not that the demon is physically located inside a person, but that the demonic is acting in the person.

possibly controlling their body.

But the person,

their mind is free.

They still maintain free will.

So then, so then, so then.

So they're not responsible for any of the actions that the demon does with the body.

Right.

And I've never heard, I mean, in the class, they really didn't talk about,

you know, like a demonic person actually,

a possessed person committing crimes and then saying, oh, the devil made me do it.

If you remember what you did, then you're probably not possessed because that one of the things that they were saying is, like, especially during the exorcism

and the fits, if you want to call them that, when the demon's talking and the person's

blocked off by the demon.

Do they have accounts of people who were possessed, then freed, where they went while the demon was in control?

Do they have anything?

From my classes and the books I've read, the possessed usually recollect nothing of when the demon's acting.

About About how many possessions a year are there?

Oh, I don't know, all.

Do they have any kind of records?

Like, you're like, do they must keep records?

Like, if they do, they're not showing them to me.

So, so, but, all right, but to me, the demon seems it seems like a dopey move because they're possessing someone to corrupt their soul, but at the end of the day, they're not corrupting their soul because they're not responsible for anything.

So, where does the corruption come in?

Well,

it's up to the person to fight the possession as well.

So the person gives in to despondency, to

and you've got to remember,

a lot of these people end up possessed through

their

fooling around with the occult.

They're doing things just to not invite

the demons in.

And if you remember, it was about a year ago, you had the guy,

was he from Red Bank, the spiritualist guy who refused to touch your Ouija board?

Yeah, yeah.

So at least he was, I mean, that was pretty smart because, you know, like the case that the exorcist is based on, that's all that it was a boy, not a girl, and that he was possessed by

the correct.

And that's not to say that an Ouija board or tarot cards or anything like that have a power inherent in them, but it's the fact that you are now broadcasting yourself out saying, hey.

Here I am.

That's one of my questions I lead Zeno because I was like, what are some things we can do to protect ourselves from the devil?

Any kind of special precautions?

Does listening to heavy metal music or watching certain shits?

No heavy metal, no D and D.

No.

Does that make you more at risk?

No.

Oh, it doesn't?

But you just said Ouija boards are what could be.

Well, I mean, that's sort of direct occult stuff where you're calling on.

Calling on snakes, calling on demons.

That's something a Ouija board.

I don't think listening to Ozzy sing Mr.

Crowley is going to

possess you.

No.

Could influence you, though.

Did you think in your class where do you think any any of the 40, did you suspect, like, that guy might be an undercover Satanist trying to, like,

trying to get some insights on it?

Like an Exorcist TV show?

No.

Now, the Devil has, in some ways, and could be viewed, I think,

as with

all due respect to the Rolling Stones, as a sympathetic figure.

Like, you can see his side of it in certain acts of fiction, right?

Oh, certainly.

I mean,

the way the character is written.

But, I mean, I don't think that's, you know, these people.

Well, that the show writing on right now, right, Lucifer?

Sure.

Right.

The comic book that's based on is he's basically the lead and the good guy in the comic book.

And he's like, you know, he's not such a bad guy.

Well, he's he he they take the reasons.

I mean, they present it as they take the reasons that that the church has said that he broke off from God, but present it in a light where you're like

I kind of see it.

I'd probably do the same thing.

Yeah, I'd probably do the same thing.

Like, I don't want to take orders all day from some glowing light chump.

I don't want to hang out.

So

there is no forgiveness for Satan.

There is no sympathy for the devil in the church.

He's perpetually the bad guy.

He cannot be redeemed.

Well, theologians, and I was talking about earlier, they were given that choice, and their choice was fine.

Unlike us, who live a linear life and can repent at various points, it was like,

choose now, and it's forever, you know, due to

their estate is pure.

Where do we get that information from?

Or is that just an opinion formed by highly educated people in the matter?

I'm guessing it's because the demons will give information during them.

That's cool.

Somebody writing that stuff down?

Oh, I mean, the exorcist is recording that stuff, man.

Yeah, but is it like a demonic Bible put together by the ramblings of possessed people?

Does the church, does the Vatican have scrolls of basically demonic interviews from over the centuries?

Yes.

I'm sure they do, yes.

I mean,

we both said yes.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, I mean,

they have to have archives so that, you know,

people will be trained.

I said it first, then you say it.

Yeah.

I think Waltzer got more accomplished exorcists.

The New Jersey Devils.

No.

Yeah, if they had a less blasphemous name, wouldn't they win more titles, do you think?

They've won plenty, my friend.

Their name never hurts them.

They've won more than the

King of Kings.

They and the Penguins are even right now, but I think we're going to.

So those scrolls you think do exist somewhere.

Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, there is no doubt there are archives in the Vatican.

And there's no way that people like us can get in there.

Even like a, you know,

you'd have to be one of the guys sent over there to study.

They just don't let anybody in the artist.

Does the Pope get true TV?

I don't know.

Does chronovision exist?

Did they tell you that?

Nobody admits that.

The television that could watch any point in history?

I remember that episode.

Yeah, I.

You don't know.

Nobody's ever admitted that to me.

Okay.

But you're going back to

your statement about the

theology?

I wish I had that because I don't have a DVR and I missed IJ last week.

They made their choice.

They get you a copy.

And it's irreparably made.

This goes to this question.

Demon quotes.

Let's say, like, I'm using, I don't mean this in any way disrespectful, but I'm using it as an example.

Like the preamble.

Anything that's about to come at you that's disrespectful, they're like, I don't mean this to be done.

I don't mean it.

It is.

No, it's not.

I don't mean it to be.

It's not trying to make it a joke.

It's not trying to make the talk down to it.

But I'm just using an example.

The legendary Charlie Daniels song, The Devil Went Down to Georgia.

Oh, I have that too.

Okay.

Let's say you did do that.

Is there any examples of somebody

going into a wager with the devil, and let's say you lost, let's say you didn't win the violin like Johnny did.

But would the church be like, you know what?

You wagered your soul.

You knew what the risks were.

We're not going to step in and help.

Or would the church be like, all right, let's try to save Johnny's soul?

Well, this, I remember from my class, the priest, they had an example of.

Priest, we had to practice the fiddle.

When I say violin, I meant fiddle.

It was made out of gold, if I recall.

If I remember, no, no, no, it's all true, right?

But no, the woman, there was something wrong with her child,

sick, or I don't know if it was cancer or what it had, but she promised the devil her soul if the child would be spared.

Ghost Rider, Johnny Blaze.

Yeah.

Who confusingly went on to do good deeds?

That's why.

He wouldn't be the devil's pawn, no.

That's why.

Let's not.

But the penance there was specifically.

Well, that's Danny Ketch, right?

No, that was both of them.

Yeah, Blaze had the pets.

I don't know.

Yeah, maybe you're right.

I thought Danny Ketch had the pets.

I ranni Ketchup and Spirit than Johnny Blaze.

So what happened?

So wait a minute.

So the church knew about this lady who said,

I will trade my soul if you save, if you cure my daughter?

Correct.

And what did the church, what's the feeling on that?

Well, no, so the woman's cancer.

You know, I guess the bargain was that she was possessed then, and of course she wanted to.

And the church agreed to the exorcism, but at the time in the class, she was still possessed because she would not

renounce.

There was something she kept doing.

Yeah, she was afraid to make the final break.

She's afraid.

You're thinking the same thing I'm thinking.

The crucifix.

You've got to stop that.

Otherwise, nobody's going to believe you're really sorry.

She was always mine.

The daughter would get sick, so she wouldn't renounce her bargain.

So they couldn't.

What year was this?

I think very recently, because he was talking about this in our course.

Like it was ongoing.

This lady's out there now.

I don't mean, again, I don't mean this in the way, but like, don't you think the church has an obligation, though, to get out there and say,

don't do this.

Like, if you, even if you know somebody you really love,

don't trade your soul to cure them.

It's so rampant, I imagine, that people are promising their souls to Satan for different reasons.

If there's one, there's too many.

And we know of the woman who did it, though.

I mean, yes.

So they go on a worldwide campaign because one dumb lady was like, man,

of course she's dumb.

The kid didn't get saved, right?

No, he did.

Well, she's possessed Then the kid got a cancer.

It would be wrong to attribute the child's healing to the deal, though.

I mean, in this lady's mind,

that would be the chemo.

Or was it the chemo, or did prayer work?

Oh, so if there's, but you're saying it was a, it was a, but the church is saying this was a legitimate possession, but they're also saying that the devil didn't come through on his end?

Correct.

Oh, that's scumming.

No way.

The devil has somebody hanging?

Oh, man.

Not cool.

This would be the other thing to remember about not cool being.

We're talking about degrees degrees of possession, but also

degrees of.

We're used to calling everything supernatural, right?

There's a show.

Only God is supernatural.

Angelic and the demonic are preternatural.

What's it called?

Preternatural.

Preeter.

Preeter?

Preternatural.

Like preterbed?

Like the bread?

Yeah, that would be pita bread.

Oh, okay.

P-R-E.

Can I take that joke back about you not speaking English and attributing it to this guy?

Preternatural

in which it's above our nature.

We would be natural.

So they are

beings above us.

Some of us are cool.

Supernatural, though, right here in the sky.

Prejudicing and the demonic are on a natural level.

They're more

subnatural.

That's what they should.

What?

Subnatural.

Well, let's get them.

It's right there.

You saw it assist, didn't you?

Yeah, is that a sign of possession?

What?

This giant lump on his head?

That is disgusting.

That's an exorcist.

Well, I thought we knew where they came from.

We mean an exorcist

for this exorcist.

Exorcist.

Wow, that was good.

Yeah, I can't take credit.

Get him said that earlier for that.

Could that be God punishing him for all that premarital stuff that's going on?

Probably.

It looks like a horn now, right?

It's getting bigger.

It's disgusting.

It looks like a mushroom drone on your wrist.

Kids are going to have nightmares.

Yeah, have you ever seen anything like that, kids?

On a person who still walked around in public and didn't care?

On videos, right?

If you kids have pitchforks and torches and you want to chase them around the park and walk around,

we do it sometimes.

So in the Bible,

and we feel, we're going under the impression that anything relating to demons in the Bible was true.

That's the basis of what this comes from.

So let's, can we talk about Legion for a second?

Because I'm sure he came up, or they came up.

So in the Bible, Brian, you know, this story, like Jesus cast out a demon.

Turns out there wasn't one demon.

There were many.

And they were known as Legion.

And he put them into pigs.

He took them out of the person, right?

Put them into pigs.

Pigs on earth?

Pigs, yeah.

They put them on pigs that were on earth.

Yeah, earth pigs.

Okay.

And then drove the earth pigs into a lake and drowned them.

Yeah.

That's wacky.

Do you have any insight into that situation?

Did they tell you, like, look, maybe...

That's pretty much the only part of the Bible Bible that bothers you, right?

In terms of not making sense.

Well, the earth pigs.

It's all about symbolism.

It's all about symbolic gestures, isn't it?

Sure.

So if you remember, the Jew, the pig, you missed your calling, then.

You really did.

Explain itself.

This guy who was like lifelong Catholic, went to a Catholic boy's school.

What were you doing, man?

He's like, I was in school.

It's not my job to assume that our audience knows everything about what's going on.

We're interviewing a guy.

What do you want me to do?

Oh, so you knew about the pig?

You were just trying to see if he knew?

No, I'm asking him thoughts on the story.

I told you.

Well, clearly.

So move on.

I mean, of course I knew the story.

I brought it up.

I told it.

How the fuck did I know that it was?

But you're saying that it's hard for you to swallow that one.

No, I'm asking

how that specific.

To his audience, right,

the pigs were unclean animals.

Right.

But also, the possessed guy who'd be living among the tombs was an unclean person.

Okay.

So this is Christ removing the impure, you know, freeing the man from possession, but also showing

he's not impure.

So here.

So that leads me to two topics.

One,

animals can get possessed.

Yes.

The demon can act upon an animal.

Yes.

Now you're back on my side.

Oh, you're answering.

When you say something that's obviously true, he's trying to move it along so you stop embarrassing yourself.

And cars.

Is that how interviews work?

Cars do you possess

fucking leads?

Was you saying, can a car?

Yeah, right?

A car can be.

Like, inanimate objects can be.

But I'm the idiot?

Well, here, then.

I think my cars possess father.

We were talking about levels of demonic activity.

There is

what

popular we would call hauntings, poltergeist activity, that sort of thing.

I'm going to let the air out of your tires or knock your garbage guns over it.

Or if they throw things around the room, that sort of thing, mess up the house.

That would be referred to as

demonic infestation.

They're inhabiting...

Well, not, I shouldn't say, but they're acting upon a physical place.

That's actually cooler than that.

They're not acting in person,

but, you know, poltergeist to demons.

Like creating...

Right.

Yeah.

The church would say poltergeist activity is evidence of demonic activity in a place.

Oh, man.

I have so many questions, but I'm afraid to ask them some things are flying around.

Like I said,

is it getting too real?

No, a lot of guys are just going to make fun of me before I get the answers.

So I'm wasting my breath.

But don't be afraid there's

noises and scratching

in the walls, that sort of thing.

Is there a theory?

Did he put a theory?

Because I'm assuming.

Is there a number of demon?

Is there an accepted number of demon?

From the book of Revelation, it talks about the dragon sweeping a third of the stars from the sky.

So a lot of demons.

So whatever number of angels there were, they theorized a third of them.

So we're going to assume millions of demons.

Sure.

So, let me ask you something.

At the rate that

in today, you hear about poltergeists, you hear about possessions, you hear about, it's almost never.

So, are these demons, is it hard for them to do what they do according to the church, or are they just work less than get them?

Like, why?

Shouldn't the amount of them that there are, shouldn't we all be fighting things every minute of the day?

We should all be exorcists.

What you've got to remember is demonic activity,

their primary activity is temptation.

Like when you see a hot, hot lady.

Oh, like when Stacey Batello walks by.

Yeah, and you're like, ooh, devil, leave me alone.

Stop bewitching me, yeah.

You're infested me.

With food.

There's leasing in my pants.

Greed, gluttony, bust, sloth.

Wait a second.

Are you reading my bio?

What's going on here?

I got distracted by this bewitching creature.

Devilish tempters.

It's virtually impossible, though, not

to live a life without temptation, though, right?

Oh,

it's impossible.

It's yielding to temptation, that's the problem.

So, what you can't even guess what this demons' playbook is because they're saying temptation.

But then some demons are like, eh, it's not enough for me to make you want to steal, say, a Jay and Salamba hoodie from the secret SAS 35 Broad Street.

Like, that's demonic temptation.

But another demon may be like, I'm going to throw this across the room.

And then another demon might be like, I'm going to possess this person.

Like,

they just willy-nilly.

You can't even track them down.

Well, I mean, what do you say about that?

He's like, what?

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, I couldn't offer an explanation.

Yeah, why do some tend to

act in one way, some act in another?

Well, what are the angels doing At this fucking point, yeah, they're running around playing harps and stuff, right?

They should be like fighting demons.

Well, I think as the demons are tempting us, I think the angels are

prompting us.

Thank God I'm not a demon.

Classic angel on one shoulder, devil on the other.

I think that is a good analogy for what's going on.

What if you have two devils on your shoulder?

What do you do?

What's your advice?

Start a podcast.

So,

what a boring existence for these things.

Can you imagine being immortal and having and knowing God personally and having all no time doesn't matter to you, space doesn't matter to you, and you're focusing all your energy onto this tiny mud ball planet in the middle of nowhere with these people, and that's your existence?

And you're worse is you're a poltergeist, and you're relegated to doing the same thing like a toddler does, which is just like messing the house up.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

So, this is the only mud ball in existence, though.

That's shocking that you believe that.

So aliens don't exist?

Well,

I would not discount alien life, given how big the universe is.

Me neither.

Yeah.

We weren't really upset that time, but.

Aliens exist.

We know this.

The theory being, if there's another planet out there, then God is also responsible for that planet and tending like another garden.

Sure.

Is that

a good idea?

What if the Adam and Eve of that planet didn't screw up?

What if they're out there in perfect happiness?

And

well, that means that the devil hasn't gotten there.

Right?

Because the devil failed.

Right.

He was beat.

If you ever read C.S.

Lewis's

The Hideous Strength trilogy, is that the Hideous Strength trilogy?

Basically, that's what that's about.

He goes to the one planet where Adam and Eve defeat the devil.

And he goes to another planet

where

it didn't work as well it did on Earth.

That is cool.

Now, when you say that

there could be alien life,

do you think it could be intelligent, though?

Like us?

Sure.

Really?

Well, he's saying that there's another atom.

Are you talking about like mankind or you and Father Lance?

I mean,

but doesn't that, doesn't that, there's no mention of that in the Bible, though.

Why do we need to know about it?

I mean, I don't know.

I would say,

I can't proclaim it.

Definitely exist because, you know, you read any of this stuff about how

Earth is in just the right part of the galaxy on the right length of the arm of the galaxy for a planet like ours.

Because if you're too close to the galactic core, there's too much radiation, you can't have life.

So, you know, like saying we didn't go to the moon.

Van Allen belts.

Right?

Satanic.

Satanic belts.

Can I say something to you kids?

Your dad's cool.

I hope you guys know that.

Like, I hope you guys respect it.

This guy's got all the answers.

I'm digging it.

He's a demon slayer, boys.

Like, I hope you guys like your dad.

Yeah, you know, my dad was also very active in the church.

Here's a good question for you.

Up until I was in eighth grade, and then suddenly they stopped caring, which means I had to spend my whole childhood in church and Sunday school and all this crap.

And he would...

You know, they take collections and stuff.

And so he would, I guess, once a month make the deposits, but he would keep all the money in his top dresser drawer.

That's tempting, right?

To an 11, 12-year-old who wants to go to the arcade and see some of those quarters.

Or even to a guy in his 40s who needs to buy bills.

You know,

it's a matter of age.

Say that kid took those quarters and then gave some of those quarters to a friend of his to play pinball.

But his friend had no idea that it was stolen from the church.

he's still going to hell race no he'd he'd be innocent ignorance is holy right

that's the detail of steve davesaloo ignorance

how about on this can is it easier for demons to possess people who aren't catholic since they're since like a methodist oh i wouldn't

i don't think i could say that uh just because you're catholic you could still open yourself up.

Right.

But is it easier to get somebody who's kind of like not not baptizing?

I would say maybe it's easier to get somebody who's not baptized.

Say something like dirty hippie Buddhist, right?

Really.

And I think you, I mean, at least the church would probably say like in countries like India and

the shitholes?

Yeah.

Can we play the

colours?

Drop in that drop in that theme.

I'm going to say it one day.

Hold on.

All right, we're back.

You know, third world countries where Christianity really hasn't established itself, they see a lot of possession.

Really?

It's so arrogant, isn't it?

Like the Christians.

I remember in the 70s,

what do they call them?

Missionaries.

They would go over, they'd be like, hey, assholes, what are you guys doing?

You should be a Christian.

They're trying to save the world, right?

I mean, it's nuts, though.

Think of the arrogance it takes to go to another country and be like, everything you've, I don't know anything about you.

Everything you believe is wrong, though.

And if you want to get get saved.

So

don't you believe that a lot of these countries that are doing things that are wrong need to be told the right way?

Well, I could.

Just name some countries.

No, no, no.

I mean, like, do you have, say, seven countries you want to name?

I mean, it sounds like it's like if they were

cutting off tusks and leaving carcasses, you don't think that they need to be told?

But that has nothing to do with religion.

That's because

they have more money.

There are many things that they're fucking ignorant and ass backwards on.

Hey, I agree.

And they need to fucking slap across across the head.

Suddenly I'm protecting ivory hunters.

How am I going to get my back scratchers if they're not out there?

You know, just be I mean, there's a lot of people.

But there's plenty of people, like very peaceful people that aren't attacking elephants,

like disfiguring them, you know, who are like, oh, hey.

Like they like they would go to like these little like tribes and stuff, right?

And be like, well, like it it sounds imperialistic, I guess, to you.

It's really no different than the Muslims.

how many Muslims are sacrificing constantly

to the gods.

Well, everybody's an asshole kind of thing, right?

Like, every society is full of just monsters.

Imperialistic monsters.

And, like I said, possession is back up

in Europe, which

theoretically was Christian.

It was down for a while?

Or they just started

just finally releasing the figures.

I'd say, you know, Vatican II happened,

and they kind of like

they didn't disavow exorcism, but it just kind of got pushed to the side and

things started to happen and then

the Pope's like, this is getting which Pope said that?

John Paul, the second, I think, was the first one to say, yeah, we need to get

an uptick and was like, we got to get the strike force back together.

But the one time there was

a possessed child in St.

Peter's Square, and John Paul kind of stepped aside and performed like a small exorcism on on him there in St.

Peter's Square.

Does the Pope have more power than you?

He's like,

he's a bishop, so yes.

But I mean, in terms of being able to dispel the power.

He was more respected.

You were the Pope.

There's power?

He's a trained exorcist.

Well, the sanction of the church.

I mean, the church isn't going to send Joe Blow out.

You've got to be a priest.

So even I don't qualify as a deacon.

I'd have to, you know, a priest to actually be appointed an exorcist.

Well, the power is in the sense of just a word, but not like spirituality.

Can he fly the pope?

Well, like spiritual power, that

the church has the ability to grant to somebody because Christ gave the powers and the keys to the church and what you bind and what you loose.

So he has powers.

Well, many more things more than the normal man.

A priest or a bishop, yeah, definitely.

He has the power to look like Dracula and

sound like Dracula and constantly look like he's dying.

Every pope I've ever seen is like bent over, like.

Oh, is he really?

Is he young?

He's like hip young, dude.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

Is he changing rules and stuff?

Yeah, he's making gay marriage acceptable and stuff.

Oh, really?

Wow.

You know?

I don't think he said that.

Oh.

Damn.

Uh-oh.

Well, we've got some of this girls here.

Have you girls seen any uptick in demonic possessions where you're from?

No.

No.

But no.

The level's probably about the same.

You're not baptized?

Really?

I am.

Yeah?

You're okay.

You're safe.

What about you?

Yeah, you're both going to hell.

Yeah, what about a baby who hasn't been baptized yet?

Is isn't the thing like, well, going to hell, sorry.

No.

No?

I thought that was a.

Like a baby's born and it doesn't get baptized, but then it's like, oh, kicks for whatever reason.

Like purgatory type thing?

No, limbo was nice.

It just you weren't you couldn't see God, but it you were happy there.

But I think they've uh they've pretty much put that to the dustbin.

You know, God's merciful.

The baby's going to heaven.

Yeah, what's a baby doing?

A waste.

Supposing he goes with original sin, right?

I'm sorry.

A baby for original sin.

That's what I was talking about.

Yeah, I had.

Well, you know what I'd actually like to get from you?

What happens in an exorcism?

Could you give me the procedure?

Like, you're telling me they've had conversations with demons, and demons are like,

and they write it down.

Well, they're not, I mean, conversation, they command the demon, obviously, to leave the person, but they ask them their name.

Do they have to give their name when they asked?

It's like asking a cop if they're a cop?

Eventually.

I mean, it might take you.

In fact, one

exorcist put it:

there is no, we try to like

group the demons like they're this kind or that kind.

Do the same demons show up?

Like, is there multiple incidences with the same demon?

And like, it's like this guy

one time, and I get back again.

We're going to build a fucking wall.

And it got it.

I've heard it now.

I've heard it.

Whoa, whoa.

Whoa.

My man is speaking in metaphors big time.

I've had a spiritual wall.

A Catholic wall.

Yeah, like say some rapist demon is trying to get into him.

Tell us Steve David just gave $1,000 to the ACLU, buddy.

Could you not make me give another $1,000, please?

I just cleared us.

We're fine.

We're good.

It's the same demons.

That's a good question.

I've always

seen demons re-like, I mean,

same name, yes.

Wow.

That's cool.

Well, cool might not be the right word, but you know what I mean.

Like, that's that's very fascinating.

But, I mean, for the Roman

Catholics, there is a detailed,

you know, list of prayers and rituals that are gone through.

Okay.

Other,

now, the exorcists will tell you, yeah, well, you don't maybe need to do all of it.

It might work with just so much of it, or you might need to repeat it a couple times.

You might see some demons,

it takes weeks, months.

One exorcist said it took him two years to free somebody.

What about the exorcist?

The

what's his name?

Like that it was based on in the 40s.

Right.

That was largely debunked, that whole possession.

That was based on.

That was a boy.

Yeah.

Debunked how?

In a way that somebody who was there was like, I don't know, I mean, maybe some of that stuff didn't really happen.

Well, I mean, I th again, the movie, yeah, the movie versus what happened in real life.

I mean, of course, yeah, I mean, they put all kinds of stuff in the movie.

Because, I mean, I'm sure that, like,

obviously, people are more educated now, but up until a certain point, it's like the smallest thing.

It was like, oh, they must be possessed by a demon.

You know, like, I mean, can you imagine being a schizophrenic in the 13th century?

You're done for.

But that's why the church now is

psychologists.

Wow.

They could fix watches.

Yeah.

Oh, I know.

They're useful.

They can point flashlights and fix watches.

The Q's point, yeah, the church wants to avoid

taking a mentally old person and exercising and saying, you know,

they don't want

that on there.

Right.

Are there legends of exorcists?

I mean, and I mean, like, like...

Babe Ruth's.

Yeah, thank you, Walt.

Like a babe Ruth of exorcism where people are like, oh man, in the 14th century, this guy knew what he was doing.

It leads me to your skull here.

Which, when you put the picture up, I was like, Should we get the skull out?

Get him for yourself.

Can you get the skull out, Jim?

Thank you.

I'm not touching it.

He called me, sir, not you, Walt.

When he said, Well, what were you referring to?

To me, trust me.

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This copy is so long.

Who cares?

Really, what you need to know.

I mean, they pay you to say it.

I know, but really, what you need to know.

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Research shows you're 100% less likely to have an abortion if you cook

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Yeah.

That's a figure that...

Oh, wait.

I don't have my glasses on.

Maybe it doesn't say that.

I don't know.

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You guys,

do you cook at home with Father Lance?

No, he doesn't cook.

You guys don't cook?

Eat out a lot.

Women's work, right?

Exactly.

You're old school.

I see.

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Did you cook some blue apron on Valentine's Day Q?

No, I did not

for your gay lover after you read him your article.

In the article, Walt, I specifically say that over the years, many different scenes in Star Wars are my favorite scenes.

And this was currently my favorite one because, you know.

It's a badass scene.

It's a badass scene.

That's how a real man tells a woman that he loves her.

That's what I was getting at.

Yeah.

Thank you, Walt.

In the original script, he said, no shit, Sherlock, but they changed it.

All right.

So Walt.

Well, Francis, before we even hit the skull, what about this possessed Polaroid?

Yeah, what about the Polaroid?

Did you never.

Did you see what somebody posted about that?

That's something that's bullshit.

That was Photoshop.

Cat?

That's not no Bobo cat.

That's a baby in another dimension.

Yeah.

And his daughter evidently visited that dimension for a party.

Now, if he's traveling to different dimensions, he's probably possessed, right?

He looks like you.

The nose isn't right.

It's a demonic nose.

It's anti-ball.

I'm sorry, but that guy looks fuckable to me.

All right, don't worry.

Yeah, the skull is what you got.

All right, so the skull's out in front of you.

We have a father eyed up all that money.

What was your point about the skull?

You were about to make a point that led us to this.

The face.

I said, I know I've seen that design before, and okay,

Prussian kissing devil.

Have you done any research on this?

The research

is supposed to be.

Well, yeah,

we got a listener sent in a very long history of the skull to us.

The Prussian one?

Yes.

And that's BS.

Why?

What makes you say that?

Disrespectful.

It just doesn't.

I knew it was cute.

Have you ever heard of a Kapala?

Shh.

Of course.

Yeah, let's assume you had.

We had one for lunch earlier today.

I love a good Kabpala.

Who doesn't?

Kapalas, which is what I think this is an attempt at.

Attempt.

Oh, it's a half-assed Kapala.

Well, if you Google Kapal.

Well, first of all, do you think it's a real skull?

Yeah, the skull looks real.

Yeah, look at that.

Yeah.

But if you Google Kabbalah and see what it is.

Now, certain things about this meet the criteria and other things don't.

Well, in the legend that they sent in, they said that attempts were made to contain the skull by doing this.

Contain the skull, what?

So it was a cursed Prussian skull, and then they took it to a Tibetan Buddhist monk.

According to.

In fact, if I remember correctly, the legend said that they failed, but they tried.

So the fact that you just said it looks half-assed may be.

Because

in a Tibetan Kabbalah, a kapala.

What is a kabbalah?

I don't know.

It is a

human skull.

You turn into a cup.

No, this is what's not right about it.

Is this doesn't come apart, does it?

No, not to my knowledge.

Tibetan kapalas, this comes off so you can drink out of the top.

That's so badass.

Drink what?

Blood of your enemy.

I don't drink.

Wine.

But this symbol is.

Wire, yeah.

No, it's not.

This is not communion.

Wait, wait.

Wait, wait.

wait.

Is it called a what?

A double vajra.

Double vajra.

Tibetan Buddhist symbol.

Meaning what?

A symbol of protection.

Good.

This is probably

this writing is probably Tibetan Sanskrit.

Assyrian, maybe?

Yeah, but

the legend that we got specifically said that this was sent to Tibet for this.

Yeah.

So it was some kindly Buddhist who's like, hey, man, I'll help you out to contain the evil within this.

They said it was sent there and that they failed.

It was a Google Kapala.

Right.

So

this triangle pedestal is correct.

They're always housed on that because that represents a fire altar.

How do you know this?

Wavy lines.

He did research.

I'm asking how he knows this.

I wasn't being like, bullshit.

The wavy lines in here represent fire, so fire altar.

But if you Google Kapala, it does not look like this.

So what's your explanation?

The carving is usually done right into the, like, well, I thought that was, I guess it is a skull.

I thought maybe this was metal and laid, but it's not.

No, that is carved on the skull, right?

But the carving is usually

a lot more detailed and better, and like I said, it comes off.

Now, this row of skulls is usually there,

but the face

is completely different in every one I've seen.

Okay.

I was born with one.

The mask remotely.

I was like, what is that?

What is that?

It looks like Gidham.

And then.

Yeah, it looks like if Gidham fucked a horse.

I was thinking for coming here.

If.

I meant one, sorry.

This is a painting by Goya.

Oh, Boya.

St.

Francis Borgia, who's an exorcist.

Holy shit.

Let me see, Q.

Let me see, Q.

Look at my arm right now.

Tell me I do not have fucking goosebumps going up and down my arm.

Are you thinking of your article or looking at the artist?

Look at that.

Oh, my God.

It's the Prussian kissing skull.

When was this painting painted?

When was Goya alive?

You were asking a son?

You were asking a nine-year-old son?

Goya, I think, believed in the 1800s.

This is mind-blowing.

So that is a painting of St.

Francis Borgia exorcising a guy, and that face appears there, which completely creeped me up.

The one guy looks like Ming.

Doesn't it?

It would not surprise me at all if Ming turned out to be a mortal of some sort.

Possessed.

Hey, man.

1746 to 1828.

So this legitimizes the skull.

Yeah.

Yeah, will you find that picture online?

What is it called?

Look up Exorcism by Goya, G-O-I-A.

That's his stage name.

So this, this, when you saw the picture, it freaked you out a little bit?

Yeah, because I was like, it's weird that that design was used for this skull.

You were like, tell me, Steve David.

Do I OQ an apology?

Yes, just say yes.

Just say no, please.

Wow.

Well, like I said, you almost need like an expert in Tibetan Buddhism to take a look at this.

Oh, so no.

Okay, fair enough.

I mean, there's no doubt that it's what it was called.

Was it sent to Tibet, or did somebody who knew a little something,

you know, try and make a motion?

It's pretty ornate, man.

It's pretty dead on with the Goya.

You know, set this in the front of their store and say, hey, put fuck

in there for you.

We got to post that.

Yeah.

We got to get this out.

We got to get the word out.

Okay, but don't you think the fact that

somebody sent us in this legend, right?

Right.

And it was long.

Well, you bought this at an antique store, right?

Where we're sitting out there.

Basically, at like a Pennsylvania, like flea market type thing, yeah.

That's where you find all the most super natural stuff.

So the person who sent in that thing

didn't know anything about

all this Tibetan stuff on it

and wrote that it got sent to Tibet to help remove the.

And they failed.

The guy he said it was

Colonel.

Wilhelm Vonner.

He was buried in Austria.

No, he didn't say it was a general.

He said it was a villager.

And that was like some

warmed village.

Yeah, like the

village warm.

The first thing that comes up is this Austrian

colonel or general.

Colonel?

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

This is crazy.

Colonel.

Yeah, if you look at the name Hogwits, von Hogwits, right?

Was that not?

I don't remember.

Wilhelm

von Hogwits.

It's so funny.

You know what comes up now?

Wilhelm von Hogwits skull and Wilhelm von Hogwits Prussia comes up.

That's hysterical.

Could you be?

Could he be?

There's a count.

But that's not.

His name's Count Frederick Wilhelm von Hogwarts.

Could you be related to him?

Yeah, but this has nothing to do with me, though.

How do you know?

You said you were drunk.

Because my family's from Italy and Ireland, county court.

Yeah, wasn't Italy part of the Prussian Empire?

I don't.

You're asking a guy that does not know.

Kids, you're in school.

Yeah.

Spooky, spooky.

Wait,

so what is your take on this?

It's hard to say.

I mean, like I said, was it somebody that knew a little bit and thought, hey, I'll take a medical skull and dress it up and say it's

right?

Because he was collecting money

at the antique store.

The guy, the right, the original guy didn't want to give it to you, right?

Right.

Because he probably figured, I sure make more than $600

a year with people throwing fives and tens in this thing.

Right, and that's tax-free money because it's cash.

Yeah, that's a good point.

And then the dummy son that inherited was like, oh, sure.

Here you go, Q.

$650.

Oh, we have money maker.

You gave up the family moneymaker.

I don't like to do it.

So even though I did it today for your guests, because I'm not going to say no to

a lady, but

oh, yeah, what did you guys wish for?

That means you would end up together tonight?

Guess what?

That was $5 well spent, baby.

Why is she taking another $5 out of her pocket?

Wishing against that.

So, when you had it in your house, did you notice anything weird going on?

I did.

I said, like, one of my cats reacted very oddly to it.

And, yeah, I did.

That's why I brought it here because it was like getting weird vibes.

And the cats, the one cat, was freaking out around it.

But what you said actually makes me more believe that it's real.

Because you had said that the reason that you didn't buy into it was because it was that thing that you called it?

Kapala.

Kapala, but specifically in the legend, the guy wrote that it was sent to Tibet and it went wrong.

Should I be concerned to have it here?

Should I be

I sit, this is my spot.

How long do I sit here?

Almost all day.

I stare at it all the time.

You don't do that.

No,

all I'm doing is launching eBay auctions that he cannot launch for somebody.

For some reason, have you had any?

Have I had any problems?

Absolutely not.

Absolutely nothing.

With eBay or with, yeah, you've had plenty of problems.

Yeah, but he my problem.

My problem predates the skull, believe me.

So, yeah, I mean, it's possible.

I mean, you kind of find it hard to believe somebody from America would send it all the way to Tibet.

I mean, I don't know how that would happen or how much it would cost, but I don't remember.

Get it to Tibet.

Get a Tibetan monk to do this to it.

I don't remember the story.

I don't remember if it was in America at that point or somewhat.

I got to reread it.

I don't remember.

But the face, definitely.

The face is in that painting.

They're going to freak out.

Yeah.

So obviously they

saw or copied it.

I don't know.

Would you,

just in your honest, or just like, would you say keep it, or would you say maybe we should not keep it here?

I mean, as a curio, I mean, if you don't see anything going on with it, I don't see any harm in it.

Have you seen an increase in possession since it's been here?

Is there anything we could do to protect ourselves?

Oh, he's got a kit.

Oh,

it's an exorcist kit, man.

Is that exercise salt?

That's salt.

Why is that?

It's exercise and blood salt.

Yeah, but that salt's out of Giddam's mouth.

No, it's not.

They see sweat all over it.

Exercise.

What do you mean, exercise salt?

How is salt exercise?

There's an exorcism written over it, and then blessings written over it.

Said over it, I should say.

So what's it called?

Are you giving us this exercise salt to do what?

Just put it on the bass?

What do we do with that?

Whatever we want.

So wait, you know what?

You don't have to use the whole thing, just use a little bit.

So when I get pulled over by the cops and I have to pick it up,

I just tell them it's exercise.

No, no.

You can keep the whole thing.

I'm just saying you don't have to use it all.

Would it be just cool just to put the vial in just like that?

Sure.

Or do you got to spread it around?

I love the vial just to get it.

You're going to have to get a vial for it.

So for you guys, I have this is

a few or Giddam will know what this is.

St.

Peter challenged the picture.

You went to Benedict in school?

It's a medal of St.

Benedict.

Oh, okay.

Which exorcists use quite heavily because on the back

or exorcism prayers are inscribed on it.

Whoa.

Brian.

Oh, shit.

That is cool.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I could get this made into a

guy on it.

Just me having this.

Is this me putting it in the face of demons?

Oh, sweet.

Is this what?

Is this me putting it in the face of demons?

Just keep it in your house.

What is this other thing you're giving us?

Same.

Just a smaller one.

Oh,

I could wear this around my neck and be protected.

You've got to have faith.

What?

You've got to have faith.

You don't think I can do it?

No, you do.

Are you questioning me?

I thought we were on the same page, Brian.

Why are you coming at me?

This is crazy.

I can't believe you guys are.

You deserve to wear it, Q.

I can't believe you guys are glossing over the fact that the face of the fucking approaching kissing devil is in a 200-year-old painting.

Like, you guys are not.

What do you want us to say?

I believed 100%.

I'm stunned right now.

That's crazy.

But you're selling their father, and you don't think there's anything to the skull.

Nothing's happening with Walt.

I mean, you had, like you said, the cat didn't like it.

But it did help me when I gave it the gift.

And it helped Ryan out there.

I thought it helped you.

What?

You thought it helped you.

Well, we could say that about anything, can't we?

You're right.

Get him, put that salt back.

What are you doing?

Can a demon possess an object?

He can definitely, that's what we're talking about.

It's an infestation.

A demon can act an object.

An object can be cursed.

An object can be cursed.

A person can be cursed.

That's another thing if you want to talk about possession.

Yeah, please, into the

one, the exorcist,

probably the worst cases of possessions are when parents curse their children.

Oh, boy.

It's a very difficult

thing if they just curse because they didn't want them.

Oh, you don't mean cuss words.

No, no, like they put a curse in New Jersey.

Like, if I said, get that room, that pop-pop room clean, that's at the same time.

Okay.

Or are you going to sit on your fat ass of plea zombies in space land all day?

So an object or person could be cursed, but does that mean curse with a demon?

Or?

Well, that's

the only thing that's going to affect a curse is a demon.

So Wilheim von Hogwarts

could have been cursed by a demon.

Possibly.

The skull could have been cursed by demon.

Have we verified even his historized?

This could be your first case as a demonologist/slash exorcist.

You verify the skull, man.

You're going to make, like,

what's the newsletter for deacons every month?

What comes out?

You're going to be on the cover, man.

Highlights, right?

Highlights and deacons.

Kufas and Goliath.

Wow, this is, thank you for this.

This is cool.

Who is the guy on it?

Is that Jesus?

That's St.

Benedict.

St.

Benedict.

What does he do?

He's protector of some of the.

Well, he's the founder of monasticism in Western Europe.

He was a renowned renowned exorcist.

He's like a monk?

Yes, he was a monk.

Benedictine monk.

All right.

And monasticism.

Don't they do that?

He's the founder of Benedictine.

And they do that weird

chants, right?

It's cool.

Yeah, the Gregorian chants.

And these are prayers?

These are exorcism prayers on the back?

And I'll tell you what it says.

I got mine now around my neck, and I'll never take it off for the rest of my life.

Just like that.

So on the back side, you see a cross that is

C-S-S-M-L-N-D-S-M-D D

in cruciform fashion on that cross, right?

So that's crux, socra, sit, mihi, lux, which means the holy cross be my light,

with non draco sit mihi dux,

never the dragon be my leader.

Dragon beating Satan in this instance.

Why are these burning my hands?

And then.

There's a Q on the side.

Should I be worried about that?

Yes.

S M Q L I V.

And then

around it.

Around it.

You guys.

V-R-S-N-S-M-V, which is Vade Retro Satana.

Nun Quam Sware Mihi Vana.

Get back, Satan.

Never tempt me with vanity.

And it continues.

SMQ.

L-I-V-B, which is Sunt Mala

Kwe Libas.

Ipse Vinena Bibas.

Evils What You Offer.

In this case, if you look on the opposite side, it's kind of hard to tell.

Besides St.

Benedict, there's a raven on one side, and there's a cup with that's a serpent coming out of the cup.

Oh, wow.

Because some of his monks tried to poison him one time, and he blessed the cup, and it broke.

I believe he had to drink the poison.

Nice try, guys.

Evil is what you offer.

Drink it yourself.

Wow.

Is that all Latin?

Yes.

How fluent are you in Latin?

Is your Latin pretty fluent?

I mean, I can

pronounce it.

You speak any other languages?

No.

I'm going to learn another language.

Spanish.

Yeah.

It's going to be the most useful one that you have.

It's not a dead language.

So you can't.

We probably could pick up chicks with it.

You can't say that this.

There's more to me say about this.

The jury is still out.

Right.

I mean,

unless somebody was to say, hey, I had it in my house and, you know,

stuff's flying around.

I mean, yeah.

Well, thank you for the salt.

Sure.

And thank you for the

protection.

I can't say it's not a cursed object.

If you went to Q's house, like Q.

Would you piss on my seats?

Yeah.

Would you be like a paranormal ghost hunter and piss all over his bathroom or would you be respectful?

No.

No, no.

If I put the seat up, I'd wipe you if I could.

But if he was like, hey, man, I put this skull in my house and, like, you see some stuff flying around, who do you call?

Like

a priest.

Call a priest?

Yeah, to come.

Like a priest.

You know, or like a local priest?

A local one.

Have them come do a blessing.

Yeah.

A blessing will clear it?

Or could you give it to somebody you don't like?

Just be like, okay,

well, usually when you have something.

There's no way to burn it.

That's metal and skull.

So I don't know how much, I guess you could incinerate the skull portion in a crematorium.

But according to the legend, they've tried to

combat the evil of this thing over the years, and nothing's worked.

But did they say what the evil of the thing was?

What it was doing that was so evil?

I don't remember.

I've got to reread this.

Can I ask you a personal question?

Sure.

How did you start listening to Telm Steve, Dave?

What makes you a deacon?

From the very beginning,

well, we've only been a deacon for two years, right?

13.

Oh, 13.

I thought you said two.

13.

Oh, you took the class two years ago.

I like Kevin's movies.

So I listened to Smodcast, and you guys were the second one to come up on Smodco.

Oh, so you've been listening since the beginning?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, wow.

Are you looking forward to

Jay and Talon Bob reboot?

I am.

I'm disappointed there's not going to be Clerks 3.

So am I.

But I'm looking forward to it.

But do you think you guys are going to be in that?

I really hope you are.

I don't know.

Probably younger, better-looking versions of us if it's a reboot, isn't it?

Yeah, I'm going to see if Zach Efron will play a young Tellum Steve Dave.

Wow.

Well, is there anything?

Anything else, guys?

I can't.

I get to hear him talk for hours.

This revelation about the painting in an 18th, 13th century, 18th century?

18th century, I think.

That's crazy.

That doesn't give you pause.

Oh, yeah.

Well, it's funny.

You brought it up.

Because

I wasn't searching for that.

I thought, oh, that looked familiar, and then didn't really think too much about it.

Then, like I said, I was researching for today and just came across, because you Google exorcism, and that comes up.

I was like, that's where I saw it.

And I showed my wife, and she was like,

I was like, it looks exactly like it.

It does look exactly like it.

So

do you and your wife have like theological discussions constantly?

No, no.

Like where you're berating each other's religions?

No.

So do you think it's wise for people to give the skull money if it is a cursed item?

Or is it idolatry?

Even if it's not cursed, is it idolatry?

I'd say it's silly.

Yeah.

I'd say it's silly either way.

It's silly either way.

You give your money to the church.

That's not silly.

James, Steve, David.

I mean, don't unless you know what I did on that.

Maybe you probably shouldn't.

Let's give it another five-minute series.

Let's say no to hide it.

All right, let me ask you something.

If you came here and you saw

concrete evidence that that was cursed, what's your next move?

You just said you would call a priest.

Yeah, but.

Or you could say a prayer of

exorcism on it for an object, and I don't think that requires, I mean, you could probably do that.

Anybody could do that.

Could you grant me the powers to do that if I see something?

Yeah, you're like the private.

You're shaking his head, yes.

I've been granted the powers to do whatever I want with the skull.

Sorry, start leveraging the remote.

All right, so let's say you see that salt that you put on there, right?

Shoot off across the room.

And you're like, whoa.

And I'm like, you know what?

I don't want you to do anything to that skull.

I want it as it is.

Do you want to try it?

You want it evil?

Yeah, like I want it evil.

No, I mean, do you want to see if the salt flies off of it?

I don't.

No.

You were just hanging out and waiting for it.

Well, let's say we did, right?

And the salt just flew across the room.

Or even that little vial shot across and hit get him in between the arms.

Like he had just gotten his new teeth.

Yeah, like knocked to see that.

That's probably a problem.

All right.

So then you would be like, oh my God, something's going on here.

But then I got ultra-possessive about it and was like, I don't want you to touch it.

That's probably a sign that

you've got a problem

than you've got.

So what do you do?

Demonic obsession.

Right.

Yeah.

Do you write a strongly worded letter to true TV?

I'd probably follow your mother because I know she goes to church so that she could drag you to a priest and get you exorcised.

Or blessed, anyways.

Because you're obsessed with a

cursed item.

That's not good.

You are a bit obsessed, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hold on.

That's what I'm saying.

Why don't we get your mom on the phone?

Let the priest talk to her.

I could.

My mom is in the air flying right now.

Oh, yeah.

On the way here.

Yeah, I was like,

I'm going to come tonight.

Yeah, but she's not getting up here early.

Yeah, what's with the white smoke and the black smoke?

When did that start?

Like when they announced the new pope?

Or don't?

I think that's been going on for hundreds of years.

That is cool, right?

Yeah, I think it's cool.

I think when they started locking him in the Sistine Chapel, that's when.

Yeah, why don't we do something like that?

Like when we announce a new episode, like Declan puts up some white smoke and digital smoke?

What?

Like a digital smoke?

Yeah.

Oh, that'd be great.

Like on Twitter.

Yes.

I would like to know.

What's the Catholic Church's stance on devil dogs?

Yummy or blasphemous?

I like a devil dog myself.

What about deviled ham?

I like deviled ham.

Deviled eggs?

That too.

It's all good.

Tell them, Steve, they've got Zoom.

Come on, man.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

Maybe it is affecting you.

So I'm correct to label this inconclusive at the moment.

I would say.

Because you, until you.

Well, I'm certainly not an expert in Tibetan Buddhism.

But like I said, if you Google Kapala Skull,

it doesn't look like any other Kapala skull.

Right.

They say they botched it.

Or of a kind.

Well, I mean, did they botch it?

Or, like, I guess what I'm saying is, why would a Buddhist monk make it look unlike any other ones that they did?

Unless he was under the influence.

Oh, a satanic monk?

He enhanced its power rather than detracted from it.

Right, get him.

Right, get him.

Did you know?

I read Salvador Dali

got exorcised.

He had a priest who, or

a monk or somebody.

Well, he was very devout.

Do an exorcism on him, and he gave him like a painting.

He gave him a painting that was thanks later on.

All the melting clocks and stuff?

That's not very.

He also did some very nice religious paintings, too, though, Dolly.

Yeah.

But that's not very metal, though, the melting clocks.

It was kind of corny.

Well, I think that was like after he got the devil to take it out and we started painting corny shit.

Before that, it was totally

pre-exorcism.

He was doing some crazy stuff.

Oh, he was doing pretty stuff, yeah.

Some stuff that would get you locked up.

Oh, I knew what it's.

Hitler knew something every day.

Yeah,

oh, yeah.

You learn something new every day or for your information.

Yes.

Do we have music for that, too?

I don't think so.

If we don't, we should.

Maybe some Wagner.

Oh, my God, the pronunciation.

Pope Pius XII was convinced that Hitler was possessed and tried to exercise him long distance, obviously unsuccessfully.

Really?

How do you try to do that?

Just tried to read the prayers and have them apply to him.

Do you think that's a reasonable explanation for Hitler?

I guess we didn't get into this, but there is something that's called perfect possession where the individual wants to be possessed.

They act like the lady on Ector Cyst, who was like begging to be possessed.

Right, right.

So this individual wants it, collaborates with it,

is fine with it.

What reward could they get out of that one?

Get him what?

If we established before that Hitler couldn't come back as a demon, and the theory is that...

No, I said he can't become a demon.

He can't.

Okay, Hitler can't become a demon, but he was possessed by a demon.

And when Hitler died, does that mean that demon could come back and possess someone else?

Sure.

Like, say Trump.

No, the demon that possessed Hitler.

Yeah,

I thought we all established it's Trump.

Yeah.

We do have a

makes up for that Christian Wall comment.

Yeah, look at these two over here.

That's it.

In case anybody misunderstood that comment.

Regained your status.

I'm going to woke.

You both regained your status as well.

Yeah,

I denounce the alt.

I just want to say that.

We have a friend who's

possessed by a demon that calls itself Ghost Pussy.

Now,

Mr.

Londo.

It puts the fear into him.

He doesn't want to do any misdemeanor trespassing, that kind of thing.

He's far from the perfect possession.

Yeah.

Zoo.

All this time I've been sitting back,

never knowing how to get on track.

People offer only bad advice.

But this time I'm gonna do it right.

Gonna make it, gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it.

Gonna make it, gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it.

Never before have I been so cold.

Must be a sign, I'm getting a mold.

Our time is about to come.

Let's give it

out some time.

Gonna make it, gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it.

Gonna make it.

Gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it.

This is the first time I felt like this.

I'm gonna try, I don't care if I miss.

Try to climb from off the floor.

Take a run and break a window, but I'm gonna make it,

gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it,

gonna make it,

gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it.

You're the maker, you're gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it.

You're gonna make it, you're gonna break it.

I'm not gonna take it.

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