Trump's Pervy Epstein Bday Card Released & MAGA Allies Run Cover | Patrick McEnroe

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With Trump’s cryptic and sexually suggestive birthday card to Epstein revealed, Michael Kosta dives into a lazy cover-up by the White House, a possible quid pro quo to buy Ghislaine Maxwell’s silence, and an excuse to blame it on Biden.

Sports War: Michael Kosta and Ronny Chieng spar over the biggest headlines in sports, including drunk crowds at the U.S. Open, Jalen Carter’s spit-tacular start to the NFL season, and AI coming for jobs in minor league baseball.

Former professional tennis player and International Tennis Hall of Fame president, Patrick McEnroe, and fellow former pro tennis player, Michael Kosta, dissect last week’s U.S. Open, which McEnroe commented on for ESPN. McEnroe discusses the men’s final between Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner and how the two powerhouses are pushing each other and the sport forward, the importance of players like women’s finalist Amanda Anisimova being open about their mental health, and how one of the biggest disruptions to tennis fans at the tournament was Trump’s attendance. McEnroe also recalls how he and his brother, John McEnroe, first got into tennis and what lessons the sport has taught him about resilience and independence.
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Speaker 1 Hell yeah, welcome to the Daily Show. I'm Michael Costa.

Speaker 5 We've got so much to talk about tonight, including the big developments in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, aka the longest episode of To Catch a Predator Ever.

Speaker 11 So,

Speaker 14 let's get into it with our continuing coverage of the very normal and not shady handling of the Epstein files.

Speaker 5 It's pretty boring stuff.

Speaker 13 You might remember back in July, the Wall Street Journal released a bombshell report that Trump had given Jeffrey Epstein a creepy birthday card that suggested the two of them had a dark sexual secret.

Speaker 23 Although, obviously, any sexual secret is a dark sexual secret.

Speaker 24 No one's ever been like, don't tell anyone, but I like missionary.

Speaker 7 Now, of course, Trump completely denied this card even existed.

Speaker 17 And just to be sure, they even asked the woman who compiled all of Jeffrey Epstein's birthday cards.

Speaker 8 And luckily, she had 20 years of free time.

Speaker 27 The message is compiled by Epstein's accomplice, Ghillane Maxwell, currently serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for sex trafficking.

Speaker 27 In a recent interview, she told Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, the president's former lawyer, that she could not remember if Trump contributed a message to the book.

Speaker 10 Well, that sure is lucky for Trump, you know.

Speaker 14 He sent his Deputy Attorney General to privately talk with Ghelane Maxwell while she's in a federal prison system he controls, and she doesn't remember anything incriminating about him.

Speaker 8 Surprising. What a nice thing for her to say about the president without receiving anything in return, right?

Speaker 30 Right?

Speaker 30 Right?

Speaker 27 Maxwell recently receiving a highly unusual transfer to a minimum security prison just days after her interview with the DOJ.

Speaker 5 Come on, guys.

Speaker 14 Come on.

Speaker 31 Did you have to do the quid pro quo that fast?

Speaker 8 You could have at least waited a week before you sent her to the prison with the fence you can just slide under.

Speaker 5 Look at this sign.

Speaker 7 What the f kind of prison has a sign like that?

Speaker 17 Is this prison run by Texas Roadhouse?

Speaker 25 This looks like the sign for a church where the pastor plays an electric guitar.

Speaker 26 Also Camp Bryan?

Speaker 22 I think my parents took me there for vacation once when I was eight.

Speaker 10 That's the prison with the big water slide, right?

Speaker 10 I'm joking.

Speaker 33 It looks nice, but that place is brutal.

Speaker 10 Room service stops at 10 p.m.

Speaker 9 So there you have it. The media says there's a letter.
Trump's people say there's not.

Speaker 14 So I guess we'll never know who's telling the truth.

Speaker 35 Breaking news. For the first time, we are seeing an image of the letter signed by Donald Trump for Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday.

Speaker 16 Okay, so we know who's telling the truth.

Speaker 36 But this is huge.

Speaker 18 Epstein's estate finally released the actual birthday card, and it's as creepy as you'd expect.

Speaker 37 The drawing shows the outline of a woman's torso, breasts, and hips, with a message that reads, in part, we have certain things in common, Jeffrey. And later, enigmas never age.

Speaker 37 Before the closing words, happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret.

Speaker 38 The future president's signature is a squiggly Donald below her waist, mimicking pubic hair.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 14 I know what we're all thinking.

Speaker 1 That's an excellent drawing.

Speaker 24 And

Speaker 16 I think Donald Trump might have a wonderful future as an artist.

Speaker 25 Look, now obviously that's a crappy drawing, but as a student of history, one thing I've learned is when a certain type of person dreams of being a great artist, we should encourage that instead.

Speaker 25 Now,

Speaker 7 even without the drawing, that is a strangely cryptic birthday card, no?

Speaker 10 Enigmas never age. There's a wonderful secret.

Speaker 36 Although to be fair, it could be totally innocent.

Speaker 14 We have certain things in common, could mean anything.

Speaker 8 What are the things that we know about Epstein?

Speaker 25 He was a human trafficker. He was a pedophile.
It could be any of those things.

Speaker 17 And I see why Trump's people denied that this card even existed.

Speaker 25 But now that we've all seen it, there's nothing left for them to do except continue to deny it.

Speaker 27 The White House this morning flatly denying the president drew or signed the message.

Speaker 41 The president did not write this letter. He did not sign this letter.

Speaker 18 From what I see, it's not his signature. I've seen Donald Trump sign a million things.

Speaker 43 Doesn't it look like his signature to you?

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 44 I can tell you my father does not sketch out cartoon drawings.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 7 Hey, I'll give Eric Trump a pass.

Speaker 25 He has no way of knowing what a birthday card from his father would look like.

Speaker 8 But they're saying it's not Trump's signature.

Speaker 39 If only we had one to, I don't know, one million examples of his signature that we could compare it to.

Speaker 42 The far left is the birthday book signature.

Speaker 45 The one in the middle is a Trump signature from a 1999 letter to Larry King. And on the right is from a signed letter to Rui Giuliani in 2001.

Speaker 44 Or these from 1984 in a letter to the New York Times, 1995 to a Palm Beach official, 2014 in a note to Keith Oberman.

Speaker 41 There's even an inscription in a Trump book that Epstein owned from 1997.

Speaker 38 You'll see all the basic shapes are exactly the same.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, I see.

Speaker 11 So if you look at the angle of the downward arc on the capital D, you can see that you don't have to do any of this shit.

Speaker 8 It's his signature.

Speaker 1 Why? It's his signature.

Speaker 1 It's his.

Speaker 16 It is funny how they're fact-checking one piece of evidence with another pieces of evidence.

Speaker 17 Like, these guys are like, if you look closely, Trump's signature on a birthday card to his pedophile best friend matches his signature on a note he wrote to his pedophile best friend.

Speaker 16 So we have his signature on this letter. It matches the signature on all of these other letters.

Speaker 9 Can you please just admit he signed the letter?

Speaker 8 Please, just admit it.

Speaker 46 Do what's right.

Speaker 48 I'm begging you.

Speaker 50 About the Epstein case, would the White House support a professional handwriting expert review of the document released yesterday to prove that it's not the president's signature?

Speaker 41 Sure, we would support that. And in fact, I have already seen many forensic analysts of signatures coming out.

Speaker 41 I believe it was the Daily Signal that published a piece with three separate signature analysts who said that this absolutely was not the president's authentic signature.

Speaker 1 Yes, no,

Speaker 10 yes, I think we have a photo of the signature analyst who said this wasn't Donald Trump's.

Speaker 5 It's a credible source!

Speaker 26 It's a credible source.

Speaker 7 This is actually embarrassing for you guys.

Speaker 12 Just denying it at this point is not enough.

Speaker 51 Does anyone in the GOP want to help Trump out here?

Speaker 16 Congressman Burchett?

Speaker 52 I mean, anybody can do a signature. We've seen the auto pen has been used quite a bit with the Biden administration.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 40 That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 25 Go from the signature to the auto pen to Joe Biden.

Speaker 20 But I bet you can get there quicker, though.

Speaker 19 Sure, these girls were underage, but you know who was overage?

Speaker 11 Joe Biden. Boom, did it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 So they can't come up with a credible excuse. But the truth is, Trump can probably still wiggle out of this thing as long as new information stops coming up.

Speaker 35 A second entry in the Epstein birthday book released yesterday appears to mention Donald Trump as well.

Speaker 35 The page was reportedly compiled by a member at Mar-a-Lago who included a photo of Epstein and others holding up a giant fake check purportedly from Trump to Epstein for $22,500.

Speaker 35 The attached letter jokes that the check was payment for a deal in which Epstein sold Trump a, quote, fully depreciated woman in 2003.

Speaker 35 Wow.

Speaker 33 I am shocked and frankly disgusted that Joe Biden's autopen did this also.

Speaker 5 But this is wild.

Speaker 54 This is wild.

Speaker 55 Trump was such a notorious creep that other people were mentioning it in their birthday cards.

Speaker 48 I've never gotten a birthday card that was like, happy birthday, Michael.

Speaker 13 Remember our high school gym coach who always let the girls have lunch in his office?

Speaker 21 That was crazy.

Speaker 7 Anyways, here's to another 40 more years, pal.

Speaker 10 Look, I'm not going to pretend that I completely understand whatever this gross inside joke is supposed to mean.

Speaker 19 All I know is it's very disrespectful to refer to someone as a fully depreciated woman.

Speaker 10 The correct term is a refurbished woman Pro Max 13.

Speaker 10 But this

Speaker 7 whole Epstein birthday book has made me realize two things.

Speaker 31 One, this convicted sex predator got way nicer birthday cards than I've ever received in my entire life.

Speaker 8 I'm not a fan of the content, but you can't deny his friends put some real effort into it.

Speaker 17 On the way to my birthday dinner, my wife makes me stop at Walgreens so she can buy me a card.

Speaker 7 Sometimes it's not even a birthday card.

Speaker 11 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 10 I will have a great first communion.

Speaker 9 The second thing I realized is Trump is playing this thing all wrong.

Speaker 21 If he just admits that he wrote this card, everyone could move on.

Speaker 33 And then he could do one of his favorite things of all time, find a way to make some money out of it.

Speaker 56 You've seen stories about Donald Trump's perfect birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 56 And thanks to the new Trump Greeting Card Collection, you can send an equally perfect card for all of life's milestones.

Speaker 56 Congratulate the graduate in your life with the message, your future is bright, unlike our dark and hideous past. Complete with a a woman's body with pubic hair.

Speaker 56 And get ready for Mother's Day with a card that tells her, Here's to a mom who did it all, including things that God can never know. And don't forget the pubic hair.

Speaker 56 And for the somber moments, we have comforting messages like, I'm so sorry for the death of your pedophile father. And for added respect, these cards have twice the pubic hair.

Speaker 56 So no matter the occasion, pick a card from the Trump Collection and make America green again. Donald Trump denies the existence of these cards.

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Speaker 20 This past weekend...

Speaker 8 This past weekend was the final of the U.S.

Speaker 19 Open, but it was what went down in the stands throughout the tournament that made the biggest headlines.

Speaker 41 With the attendance at this year's U.S. Open expected to shatter previous records, fans haven't exactly been acing tennis etiquette.

Speaker 45 People are loud and chatty and moving about.

Speaker 23 People are complaining that all this alcohol is leading to bad fan behavior.

Speaker 1 How many have you had?

Speaker 26 Quite a few.

Speaker 49 These people are starting to drink honey juices at 11 a.m. So I think it's just New York.
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Speaker 46 We're loud, we're drunk, we're spending $6,000 a month to share one bedroom with four non-binary tattoo artists all named Devin.

Speaker 46 This is what's great about these Grand Slam tournaments, okay? They take on the personality of their host country. The U.S.
Open is drunk and loud. Wimbledon is stuffy and inbred.

Speaker 46 And at the Australian Open, the ball spins the other way.

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Speaker 25 You sure love some crowd noise for someone who performs to complete silence.

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Speaker 17 tacular start.

Speaker 60 The NFL season kicked off last night between the Eagles and the Cowboys and one of Philly's star players is in the spotlight for all of the wrong reasons.

Speaker 60 Defensive lineman Jalen Carter was ejected right after the opening kickoff for spitting on Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott.

Speaker 46 Yo, ejected for spitting? This is football, okay? Between the blood and the brain matter, spit is the cleanest liquid on the field.

Speaker 46 People don't tune into football to watch people being nice to each other. We tune in to see when that Fox robot will finally kill Terry Bradshaw.

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Speaker 46 Plus, the Cowboys should love this. Now that quarterback is all wet and slippery like a newborn baby and harder to tackle like a newborn baby.

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Speaker 17 It's a sport watched by people who don't know movies exist.

Speaker 46 But one minor league team is using some major league technology.

Speaker 61 Artificial intelligence made its professional sports debut over the weekend in Oakland.

Speaker 42 Yeah, get this. The ballers replaced their manager with an AI program, creating the lineups and recommending pitching changes and they won.

Speaker 42 So we spoke with the team's previous manager Aaron Miles about being the first manager ever replaced by artificial intelligence.

Speaker 62 Every person out here in a job that knows AI may be coming for their job doesn't like this at all you know what I mean?

Speaker 62 And part of me is you know thinks that too.

Speaker 9 A part of you thinks it's bad that you'll be replaced by AI.

Speaker 10 Stand up for yourself, man.

Speaker 8 AI can't replace you. Only a human being can spend nine innings in the dugout scratching his nutsack going, good eye, good eye.

Speaker 13 Ronnie, if you ask me, we need to ban all AI from sports.

Speaker 46 Costa, that's the worst thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 46 AI is what baseball needs. This is how baseball works, okay? It's always evolving.
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Speaker 8 My guest tonight is a former professional tennis player, ESPN commentator, International Tennis Hall of Fame president, and host of Sirius XM's Holding Court.

Speaker 16 Please welcome Patrick McEnroe.

Speaker 10 No one's ever come out and done such an entrance, but also I know your game quite well.

Speaker 40 For you to open up with the forehand,

Speaker 6 your backhand was.

Speaker 34 I like to surprise you, Michael.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 55 I mean I remember watching you and when the ball would go to the center of the court you would run around a forehand and hit a backhand.

Speaker 34 Very rare to see that nowadays. But you know what? That was my one shot.
I said I had one shot that made me a little bit.

Speaker 34 How much, what was your ranking again?

Speaker 16 Well I'm so glad you asked.

Speaker 1 I was ranked 164 in the world, my high.

Speaker 11 You were ranked.

Speaker 34 I didn't even know they ranked people that high.

Speaker 39 Your high was 28.

Speaker 34 28 was a high. And you know what it was in doubles.
How about doubles?

Speaker 24 I do know.

Speaker 1 Three.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 59 Why not two or one, you ask?

Speaker 10 Yeah, why not two or one?

Speaker 34 Talk to my brother about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 55 You know, you were 28 in the world in singles. You were three in the world in doubles.

Speaker 33 You've longest serving Davis Cup captain for the United States. You're now the International Tennis Hall of Fame president.

Speaker 10 How did you even get into tennis in the first place?

Speaker 19 You've done so much for the sport.

Speaker 34 Well, we started in a town called Douglaston. Anybody from Queens here?

Speaker 34 Not many, not many. So we started when we moved to this town called Douglaston.
When my dad made partner in the law firm, my parents got married quite young. They lived in Flushing in an apartment.

Speaker 34 They kind of made it, and they moved to the kind of nicer part of Queens that had a tennis club. And the tennis club had a pool and tennis courts.
And my brother was eight or nine at the time.

Speaker 34 And they said you could either try swimming or tennis. And he tried swimming.
He hated it because he was playing other sports. We played soccer, basketball, baseball, all the sports.

Speaker 34 So he tried tennis. He went to the played at the local club.
After a month into the summer, the local kid who was like a college kid went to my parents and said, you know, your son's really

Speaker 34 got a lot of talent for tennis. He's got great hand eye coordination.
My parents are like, great. They never played tennis before in their life.
No, he said, no, no, you need to do something about it.

Speaker 34 So they took him to one of the first tennis academies was it called the Port Washington Tennis Academy on Long Island? My parents called up there, got an invitation for a tryout to get a scholarship.

Speaker 34 John went there. There was a legendary Aussie coach there.
You probably know him, Harry Hopman. Okay, sure.
He coached a lot of the greats from Australia, Rod Laver, John Newcomb, Lou Hode.

Speaker 34 He saw John at the tryouts and he said,

Speaker 34 We'll take him. We're going to give him a scholarship.
He's going to be number one in the world. Holy shit.

Speaker 34 All right.

Speaker 34 Now,

Speaker 66 first of all,

Speaker 34 but the other part of that was that he said that to all the parents that showed him.

Speaker 10 I was also going to say, he said that about John, but Patrick is sitting here.

Speaker 34 He saw me playing. He says, that guy's going to be 28 years old.

Speaker 5 I know it.

Speaker 1 So then you want, so that you saw.

Speaker 59 So I follow in the footsteps.

Speaker 34 I'm seven years younger than my brother. I have another brother named Mark in the middle.
So we all.

Speaker 26 Did Mark play too?

Speaker 34 Mark played, but not very competitive. I guess sort of like you.

Speaker 34 Don't laugh at that.

Speaker 21 Don't laugh at that. He was a big-time college player,

Speaker 34 fighting a Linai.

Speaker 34 So we all played. We all just loved tennis.
We loved other sports too.

Speaker 34 But it just so happened that we were a little bit better in tennis.

Speaker 67 That's amazing.

Speaker 40 Let's talk briefly about the men's U.S.

Speaker 10 Open Final.

Speaker 14 You were calling the match.

Speaker 10 Yannick Sinner from Italy lost to Carlos Alcaraz from Spain, who's now number one player in the world. It was a great showdown.
They played in the French Open Final.

Speaker 39 They played in the Wimbledon final.

Speaker 10 What did you see in the match that blew you away?

Speaker 34 Well, these guys are incredible athletes. I sat there quirtside, Michael, three years ago when they played for the first time ever in a major.
And they were both, you know, a little green.

Speaker 34 They hadn't won anything big yet. But I remember saying to the guys, Chris Fowler and John, my brother John, who were in the booth, I went quirtside.

Speaker 34 And I said, I've never seen two guys play at this type of speed and tempo. And this is coming off of Fedder and Adal and still Djokovic, who's still out there.

Speaker 34 But these guys were kind of raising the bar. So they play with amazing power.

Speaker 34 They play from defensive positions. They play more offense.
And Alcaraz is like a showman. I mean, he loves to be out there.

Speaker 34 When he lost to two match points, when he was trying to close out the match,

Speaker 34 you feel the tension, and he smiled to the crowd.

Speaker 34 And he said,

Speaker 34 we asked him about it afterwards. He said, I was actually afraid.

Speaker 34 But he smiled.

Speaker 34 He's like a smiling assassin.

Speaker 12 That's what I've been doing wrong this whole time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 10 When I feel afraid, I shiver and I cry.

Speaker 59 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 34 So these two guys are just really, you know, we had this era of the big three, and we were all wondering what's going to happen to tennis, you know, because we're such global superstars, these players.

Speaker 34 And Serena Williams also retiring.

Speaker 34 And, you know, these two guys have literally just taken over. They've won the last eight majors combined between the two of them, four and four.

Speaker 34 Center kept number one for the last year and a half now. It's Al Carrasso.

Speaker 34 The real question is: can anyone else threaten them? Can anyone compete with them?

Speaker 55 When In team sports, when a team loses in the Super Bowl, you know, they change things.

Speaker 15 We've got to get a new quarterback.

Speaker 10 Or the GM is moving things around. What can we do differently? And I'm curious what your thoughts are.

Speaker 18 Is Yannick Sinner needing to sit down and really...

Speaker 19 re-evaluate the whole game.

Speaker 55 I mean, he's two in the world.

Speaker 10 He won two Grand Slams. Is it that kind of approach with an individual sport like Tennessee?

Speaker 34 Well, first of all, interestingly, Alcaraz said after he won the tournament in his press conference, he said he spent 15 days after Wimbledon when when Sinner beat him, for the first time Sinner beat him in a final of a major, and the first time he won Wimbledon, he dethroned Alcaraz on the grass.

Speaker 34 So Alcaraz said,

Speaker 34 he hadn't said this until he won the tournament, but then he divulged that he had spent 15 days just training. to beat Sinner.
And Sinner afterwards, when he lost, said, you know,

Speaker 34 what he does is so good, he's so dominant,

Speaker 34 but against Alcaraz, maybe just not quite enough. So it's kind of fascinating to see how these two are pushing each other.
They're watching each other really are. To see how one can get better.

Speaker 34 Alcaraz is a little bit more of an all-around player. He's got a little more ability to come to the net, to play slice, to play drop shot.

Speaker 34 Center's more of a straight-ahead, just pound you, pound you into the ground. So he's trying to get a little bit of that finesse into his game, which he did at the Wimbledon final, by the way.

Speaker 34 He beat him in four sets. But Alcaraz got him back.
And I was at our tennis academy today here in New York City that my brother and I run together.

Speaker 34 And all the kids are there. They were all so happy that Al Caraz, everybody's big Alcaraz fans, because you know why? His personality and the smile.

Speaker 12 Yeah, he's not afraid to hit it between the legs.

Speaker 10 He's not afraid to go like this to the crowd.

Speaker 15 You know, it's funny you talk about that focused improvement because a few shows ago, Ronnie and I did a sports war.

Speaker 33 I thought Ronnie kind of edged me out, and I said, I will do anything I can to defeat him at today's sports war.

Speaker 12 And that's exactly what happened. And he did.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Exactly.

Speaker 66 And the crowd is.

Speaker 66 I would say

Speaker 34 game set match to cost.

Speaker 1 That's right. Thank you.

Speaker 39 The women's final,

Speaker 24 I thought this was almost the story of the whole tournament, that Amanda Anasimova, an American, who lost in the Wimbledon final 6-0-6-0,

Speaker 10 whose family flew to London to watch her in the final.

Speaker 19 She didn't even win a game.

Speaker 10 I thought it was, as someone who's lost 6-0-6-0, a few times, not that much.

Speaker 19 For her to then beat the player that beat her, Polish Yggiszviank, make the final.

Speaker 33 I thought it was such an amazing story.

Speaker 24 And

Speaker 22 that she took some time away from the sport because of the mental health challenges and difficulties.

Speaker 10 What's your take on Amanda Anasimova?

Speaker 34 First of all, I'm not surprised that you know how it feels to lose six love, six love, Michael.

Speaker 40 That's true.

Speaker 34 Secondly, that really is, in all seriousness, that really is the ultimate embarrassment for a tennis player

Speaker 34 at any level if that happens. So for it to happen on the biggest tournament, the biggest match of the year.

Speaker 8 You're supposed to win when you serve.

Speaker 1 Even if you're a girl, you can't even win one.

Speaker 34 So to your point the fact that she I thought she handled that with a lot of grace when it happened and you know she left the court for a couple minutes to kind of gather herself she came back onto the on-court ceremony yeah was was really appreciative of how well she'd done and I think she she kind of faced it head-on which I think is what helped her this summer but you're right she had a great tournament by the way this was the fourth straight tournament in the majors that there was an American woman in the final.

Speaker 34 That's right. Madison Keyes had won in Australia, Coco Goff won in Paris, and then Amanda gets to two straight finals.
So she's going to get over the hump.

Speaker 34 She's going to win one, but it was a great story. But Sabalenka has been the best player all year, even though she hadn't won a major, but she'd been in two other finals.

Speaker 34 So I think in some ways she deserved to win and kind of solidify her spot at number one. By the way, Senator Alcarez, there's still a competition through the rest of the year.

Speaker 34 Most people think that tennis is over after the U.S. Over.
Yeah. But these players...

Speaker 15 This crowd has stopped listening to tennis. They start talking about it.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 59 Yeah. This crowd's like there's tennis.
What's that?

Speaker 34 There's still more you mean to play for the year for the year end Yeah Finish number one which is a big deal for these guys You know that you want to get that I finish the year as the number one player in the world what what what are the differences between the mental health component nowadays versus when you played because I follow the sport closely and it just feels like there's never a break for these men and women.

Speaker 17 And you have to constantly defend the points.

Speaker 10 You have to constantly make new points. You have endorsements and deals.
I mean, Naimi Osaka, every time I open up Instagram, she's endorsing something.

Speaker 19 There's a lot of, people are constantly needing to see them and for them to win.

Speaker 10 And that's tough.

Speaker 34 There's a lot of pressure in tennis and being such an individual sport, you can't escape it, right? So when you lose, I mean,

Speaker 66 as

Speaker 34 unsuccessful as you were, Michael, on the tour,

Speaker 34 even me at number 28 in the world, I tell this to parents all the time. I walked away from a tournament once in my life as a professional, having not lost.
I only won one singles tournament.

Speaker 34 So and even the

Speaker 34 tournament was in Sydney, Australia, right?

Speaker 11 Hardcourts?

Speaker 34 It was on hard courts right before the Australian Open. Congrats on it.

Speaker 1 Thank you, man. Appreciate it.
Yeah, it's nice. I mean, unbelievable.

Speaker 5 It's not sports wars, but it's something.

Speaker 34 Unbelievable, yeah. But the point is that you lose a lot in tennis, so you have to deal with that.
The truth is that that's been going on forever.

Speaker 34 I actually am really glad that players like Naomi Osaka, like Amanda Anna Samova, are talking about mental health and making, you know, it used to be if you talked about, hey, you're a wuss, you know, you you don't talk about the fact that you're struggling mentally.

Speaker 34 You know, that's that shows that you're not tough or whatever that may be. So those things have always happened, but I think it's really healthy that the players are not shy about discussing it.

Speaker 34 And I think Amanda's a perfect example of someone that dealt with it, you know, kind of confronted it head-on, and then it made her, I think, a better person and a better player.

Speaker 10 I mean, at one point, she was stepped away from the game. She was taking college classes.

Speaker 33 She was painting.

Speaker 40 You know, and it sounds almost funny, but when you are such an accomplished junior, she won the

Speaker 10 U.S.

Speaker 22 Open Juniors against Coco Goff at age 13.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 10 You don't really ever have a moment to go, I need other interests and hobbies.

Speaker 33 I just thought that was an amazing story.

Speaker 15 Let's talk about the U.S. Open for a second.

Speaker 55 I love the U.S. Open.

Speaker 22 It's changed a lot over the years.

Speaker 25 The USTA is going to make $13 million just on the honey deuce beverage alone.

Speaker 34 Yeah, the honey deuce is enough to pay for all the prize money for the players. Yeah, right.
Or at least the winner's prize money, yeah.

Speaker 55 I have never seen so many people who felt like, to me, they'd never watched tennis before.

Speaker 25 I watched Yannick Center, the world number one, waiting to serve and have to turn around and there's a group of 45 guys doing selfies standing up during the match.

Speaker 34 Welcome to the world.

Speaker 7 Is this good for tennis?

Speaker 13 I feel like it's more popular, U.S.

Speaker 15 Open.

Speaker 13 I feel like it's making more money.

Speaker 10 Attendance is through the roof.

Speaker 11 Good or bad for you.

Speaker 34 I think overall it's good, but I catch your drift. I mean,

Speaker 34 I'm a tennis purist. I grew up going to Forest Hills and

Speaker 34 in the little club. So

Speaker 34 I, as a kid and as a fan, what I did was I got there the first couple days of the show. I mean, I just run around, go from court to court, match to match.

Speaker 34 And that's what the real, and there's still a place for that, for real tennis fans. But definitely the U.S.
Open, it's become more about the show, the entertainment value.

Speaker 34 And the truth is, I mean, I go to, I'm a big New York Knicks fan, right? So this past year, they were good. But years before that, they sucked.

Speaker 34 And they're still charging a fortune for tickets. And it's all about what you're going to eat, you know, what you're going to drink when you're sitting in those nice, you know, seats.

Speaker 34 But even the ones up top are super expensive. Same with the U.S.
Summit. How do you think those people felt by the way?

Speaker 10 I know.

Speaker 34 Waiting in line as our president was getting seated in the stadium.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 62 you know,

Speaker 25 no politics here for me.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I will say. Well, politics here for us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Got that right.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 they bought

Speaker 34 the match started 45 minutes after it was supposed to start, number one. Yeah.
Okay. Then the players were playing, and it was 4-3 in the first set.
They've been playing for half an hour.

Speaker 34 So it was an hour and a half after, and there were still thousands of people waiting to get in.

Speaker 19 Well, I was very thankful that ESPN covered that.

Speaker 55 Yes.

Speaker 10 Because so often I'm afraid that the TV program doesn't want to paint a bad light on the event that they've paid millions of dollars to cover.

Speaker 15 So I was thankful that ESPN goes, look, this is happening and it it sucks.

Speaker 10 And you guys were very honest about that.

Speaker 10 One of my favorite things that you've ever said was in 1991 when you made the Australian Open semifinal.

Speaker 20 Your brother did not.

Speaker 15 And you said...

Speaker 1 He didn't play. He didn't play.

Speaker 11 That's because they kicked him out the year before.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 26 Because he got defaulted.

Speaker 19 So he said, f ⁇ this tournament.

Speaker 46 I'll let my brother go play.

Speaker 55 But in the semifinals, you're in the semifinals, and you said to the reporters,

Speaker 67 just like you'd expect, Edberg, Lendl, McEnroe, Becker.

Speaker 34 Correct.

Speaker 66 Got a sense of humor,

Speaker 54 even back then.

Speaker 36 All right, real quick, real quick.

Speaker 10 We haven't had an American men win the U.S. Open since Andy Roddick, 2003.

Speaker 25 Taylor Fritz is getting close.

Speaker 16 Francis Tiafo, great player, a lot of great American players.

Speaker 34 Yeah, Ben Shelton, I think, maybe has the best championship.

Speaker 22 Okay, yeah, I was going to say, like, what's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 10 And, you know, it feels like the world got a lot better also.

Speaker 34 Yes, the world got a lot better.

Speaker 34 um you know i ran player development for the u.s tennis association for a number of years and we tried to raise the bar um on coaching on training i think we did that um you mentioned amanda i remember seeing amanda when she was 10 years old right practicing taking lessons but i think we have a we have a really good group of excellent players.

Speaker 34 Now getting to the finish line and winning, it's not, you know, it's not like you're a football player, you're a basketball player.

Speaker 34 You know, you could be the third best player in the league, but you're on the best team. You can win.
In tennis, you could could be the third.

Speaker 34 Taylor Fritz is the fourth or fifth best tennis player on the planet. That's crazy.
But he's got Sinner and Alcaraz, and before that, he had Djokovic, Nadal, and Feder.

Speaker 34 So that's the challenge for the tennis player. These guys are amazing players.
I think one of them will break through.

Speaker 34 But there's no doubt that right now

Speaker 34 it's Sinner, Alcaraz, and the rest of the pack, including Djokovic, who's at 38, was the third best player this year in the majors.

Speaker 34 he said after he lost in the U.S. Open to Alcaraz, I can't beat these guys anymore.

Speaker 10 It's crazy that a guy who made three semifinals in Grand Slam said it's not going to happen anymore.

Speaker 67 It's not going to happen.

Speaker 10 I love the sport of tennis, if you can't tell, if this audience can't tell.

Speaker 40 I'm so thankful.

Speaker 10 All day I've been telling everybody on staff, this is the most

Speaker 10 tennis this building has ever heard.

Speaker 30 But I'm so thankful that we get to talk about it.

Speaker 16 The you know the the sport as I'm now 45 years old I'm a parent I've got my teammates that I played with at Illinois.

Speaker 10 I just feel like the sport has given me so much.

Speaker 19 It's taught me so many things, how to deal with success, how to deal with failure, how to deal with cheating.

Speaker 34 Were you doing the cheating?

Speaker 1 I did some cheating. I did some cheating.

Speaker 16 In junior tennis, as you know, you make your own line calls.

Speaker 13 You're 12 years old, it's match point.

Speaker 51 The kid hits it on the line, it's out.

Speaker 1 He's out, it's going.

Speaker 15 But it also happens to you.

Speaker 39 You've had a life in tennis.

Speaker 13 What are you most thankful for with the sport?

Speaker 19 What do you feel like the sport has given you?

Speaker 34 I think it's given me resilience, you know, and a passion. I mean, I love it.
You know, people who,

Speaker 34 I was just at our tennis academy today, right before I came here, talking to parents, talking to kids. One of the parents said, you must be so tired.
You know, I said, I miss it.

Speaker 34 You know, like being in the U.S. Open is so crazy for us at ESPN.
But I love it. I've been extremely blessed.
I mean, lucky to be around it and wear different hats.

Speaker 34 So I've kind of never gotten bored because I've been involved in so many different aspects of it.

Speaker 34 But like you said, it teaches you many lessons about life because most of the time you get your ass kicked. Right.

Speaker 34 And even when you're number 28 in the world, and even 864 in the world. Actually, then you always get your ass kicked.

Speaker 1 Well, weirdly, at my ranking,

Speaker 34 I would be playing in tournaments with other 864s so I could grind how to win.

Speaker 10 But you're at 28 in the world, you're just getting your ass handed to actually.

Speaker 1 By Andre Agassi, yeah.

Speaker 34 I remember playing Andre Agassizi. This will make you feel good.

Speaker 34 On center court at the French Open, he was just destroying me.

Speaker 34 And then by the end of the third set,

Speaker 34 it was so bad that he wasn't even trying to finish the point. He was just making me run.

Speaker 1 I was just like side to side.

Speaker 34 So I had a couple of my buddies, a couple of my college buddies were there watching in the crowd. I had no coach.
I know that. I had my college buddies from my team in Stanford.

Speaker 34 And I looked up at them after I finally, like, I won one point. I was so happy.
I was like, I said, I looked up at them. They're clapping for me.
I said, I'm literally a human punching back.

Speaker 34 So, you know what? It teaches you that.

Speaker 34 And the other thing about it is, you see, you know, when those players go out there, and whether it's 10 people watching, whether it's 24,000 people like at the U.S.

Speaker 34 Open, I mean, you really are out there by yourself. And even though you can coach now, coaching is sort of legal now, which is good and bad.

Speaker 34 I thought Chris Everett had a great line to me during what we called the women's final. She said, it's almost too much.

Speaker 34 It's almost like the players, and so some of the players are, I think, a little too reliant.

Speaker 34 But for the most part, tennis really teaches you that independence that you need because to really be a great coach and a great mentor what you're trying to do what we try to do with our kids at our academy is get them to be able to handle stuff on their own yeah is that what we try to do in life I mean I remember playing college losing terribly and you could you could coach on the changeovers and my coaches Craig and Bruce were like hey you really got to stay low on your forehand when he when he's hitting it to your forehand and I was like do you want to Do you want to try that against this guy?

Speaker 7 So even if you're saying it, it's hard to do it.

Speaker 67 It's hard to do it.

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