Trump Throws Gatsby Party as SNAP Funding Expires, Makes It Rain on Argentina | Former Sen. Joe Manchin

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No, what are you doing? God, no!

Speaker 5 No!

Speaker 5 Fire?

Speaker 5 Really?

Speaker 5 Your whole f ⁇ ing city is kindling. What are we doing?

Speaker 5 Whatever happened to a good old-fashioned wholesome water water balloon celebration.

Speaker 5 But obviously, the World Series morale boost was short-lived because America is still in the throes of the government shutdown.

Speaker 5 So let's get into it with our ongoing coverage of Shutdown Showdown 2025.

Speaker 5 Locked up, locked down, and closed the business.

Speaker 5 This past weekend, the shutdown took its worst turn yet, as notices began to go out for health insurance premium hikes and millions of Americans also lost their SNAP or food snap benefits.

Speaker 5 It's as heartbreaking as it is infuriating, but there's one American who's taken this harder than anyone else.

Speaker 6 The president is desperate for SNAP benefits to flow to the American citizens who desperately rely upon it.

Speaker 7 He is a big-hearted president.

Speaker 5 Is he

Speaker 5 big-hearted?

Speaker 5 Loves us.

Speaker 5 Because again, and maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but he did just recently dump diarrhea on all of us.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He just, he cares a lot about the American people.

Speaker 5 Obviously, he does have a diarrhea plane.

Speaker 5 Maybe that is out of love.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 It feels somewhat dismissive.

Speaker 5 But of course I'm only seeing the small portion of the day he spends dumping diarrhea from a plane on the American people. I'm sure that's not the entirety of his efforts on our behalf.

Speaker 8 He is so

Speaker 9 resolutely focused on delivering for the American people.

Speaker 8 people all day, every day, seven days a week, 20 hours a day.

Speaker 5 Did we miss an executive order

Speaker 5 about how long days are? are?

Speaker 5 How far did you guys set your clocks back?

Speaker 5 But okay, seven days a week, 20 hours a day, four hours for diarrhea plane training.

Speaker 5 But point taken, Donald Trump is a big, hearted, caring man who works 20 hours a day, seven days a week to deliver for the American people.

Speaker 5 So I imagine if I were to randomly turn on the camera at Mar-a-Lago, where Trump was on the very night that the poorest of American people lost their food benefits, we would see images that reflect Trump's concern and dedication.

Speaker 5 Is that correct? You know what? In fact, let's turn on that camera.

Speaker 5 Yeah!

Speaker 5 Yeah!

Speaker 5 That's what he was doing this weekend. He wasn't working for the American people.
That was just some Hollywood Babylon shit.

Speaker 5 That once and for all shows that Donald Trump doesn't give a f ⁇

Speaker 5 about even looking like he gives a f ⁇ ing

Speaker 5 How uncomfortable is the seating in Mar-a-Lago

Speaker 5 On the very night snap benefits ended, Trump threw a great Gatsby-themed ode to decadence and hedonism that even Jeffrey Epstein would have thought was a little over the top.

Speaker 5 There were dancers, costumes, champagne, a wonderful celebration where the theme was apparently gross income inequality.

Speaker 5 The slogan of the party as people were losing their food benefits was, I shit you not,

Speaker 5 a little party never killed nobody.

Speaker 5 Did you even read The Great Gatsby?

Speaker 5 Spoiler alert!

Speaker 5 The party killed somebody!

Speaker 5 Two buddies!

Speaker 5 How do you not know that?

Speaker 5 I knew that, and I've only read the cliff notes.

Speaker 5 The Great Gatsby is a cautionary tale, and it's the theme for your book. What did you think? Oh, it's a great book about a rich guy who bangs married ladies.
No!

Speaker 5 Partially, yes, but the

Speaker 5 subtext.

Speaker 5 You see, usually in a time of national suffering, there's a generally accepted principle in leadership that you at least pretend to feel the pain of the people that you represent.

Speaker 5 But this president seems to go out of his way to let struggling Americans know that he

Speaker 5 is doing very well.

Speaker 5 Your premiums may be going up, tired may be shutting down your small businesses, you may be losing your food assistance, but it'll all be okay because Donald Trump is building a ballroom that looks like the inside of Marie Antoinette's vagina.

Speaker 5 Yeah!

Speaker 5 I don't actually know that.

Speaker 5 That was rude.

Speaker 5 I've heard.

Speaker 5 And I know what you're thinking as your electricity bill skyrockets and they're shutting off your heat. Will guests of this ballroom be able to shit in bemarbled rooms? Well,

Speaker 5 the answer is yes.

Speaker 10 President Trump revealed photos of a newly renovated Lincoln bathroom.

Speaker 12 He posted six times today about it.

Speaker 11 He uploaded a total of 25 detailed photographs of the gold and marble upgrades, including the view from his new toilet.

Speaker 5 You know, I'm not an architect.

Speaker 5 Who designs a bathroom with ass-level windows?

Speaker 5 I mean, is that

Speaker 5 aren't you going to f ⁇ ing frost the glass a little bit there?

Speaker 5 Throw some shutters up? You're going to have tour groups walking by just like, go.

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 5 no.

Speaker 5 That's not good.

Speaker 5 So with all this, it's kind of hard to argue that Trump has been laser focused on, you know, needy Americans and funding SNAP benefits during the shutdown, especially when the notorious power-grabbing unitary executive that is Trump pleads that his bruised hands are tied.

Speaker 6 The president has lamented this. He has informed USDA and everybody.

Speaker 6 Do as best you can, but the money doesn't exist to do it. The truth is, there's no legal mechanism to do it.
President Trump can't just wave some magic wand and fix the mess.

Speaker 9 There's nothing we can do at this point.

Speaker 3 There's not much more we can do because the rules are the role by which we have to play.

Speaker 3 The further for the

Speaker 3 living!

Speaker 3 The rules?

Speaker 5 Did you just say you can't do it because of the rules?

Speaker 5 The rules of the road? When have you followed the road rule? Well, you follow the road rules, but when have the administration,

Speaker 5 when has this administration followed the rule? You guys have been grand theft f ⁇ ing auto this entire presidency.

Speaker 5 The whole time.

Speaker 5 But now,

Speaker 5 hey everybody, we're just going to take a quick break from unauthorized Caribbean boat bombing and sending hairdressers to El Salvadorian prisons to remind everybody, no passing on the right.

Speaker 5 Got to respect the rules of the road. How disingenuous has this gotten? You'll never guess

Speaker 5 which branch of government that the Trump administration is deferring to for guidance on these food assistant payments.

Speaker 3 When can we expect the Trump administration to make these payments?

Speaker 13 Well, President Trump just truthed out that he needs to hear from the courts how this is going to be done. The courts?

Speaker 13 The rolls of the road and the courts?

Speaker 13 Fuck!

Speaker 13 Are you kidding me, right now?

Speaker 5 You,

Speaker 5 you,

Speaker 5 Donald Trump, are now waiting for the activist, radical, left, lunatic, Trump-hating, biased, harlypartisan, unsching, agitator, judges to give you the okey-doke?

Speaker 5 Is that what I'm hearing?

Speaker 13 President Trump just truthed out that he's very anxious to get this done, and it's got to go through the courts.

Speaker 5 Nonsense.

Speaker 5 And stop trying to make truth out happen, okay?

Speaker 5 Like, it's a real verb.

Speaker 5 He just...

Speaker 5 Well, it's an excellent question. He just truthed out.
Like, what?

Speaker 5 Just say, the president said, the president truth-talked.

Speaker 5 You're a f ⁇ ing grown man.

Speaker 5 You're a grown man. Act like it.

Speaker 5 Secretary of the Treasury. Hey, yo, did you see what Trump truthed out?

Speaker 5 Like 6'7, bussing. Whoa.
Hey.

Speaker 5 I'm bussing.

Speaker 5 I was told that means something.

Speaker 5 So the courts ruled Friday that the administration does have to continue some snap benefits and the administration has finally agreed to at least partially fund it.

Speaker 5 But even then, they're so weird about it.

Speaker 14 We have a little rainy day fund for food stamps in case there's a disaster, which is about half as much as you need for a month of food. And they're saying, oh, just release that.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's exactly what we are. It's a rainy day fund.

Speaker 5 This qualifies.

Speaker 14 but also as you've seen with the hurricane in jamaica that you know if our rainy day fund is gone then what happens if we have a rainy day

Speaker 5 it doesn't have to literally be

Speaker 5 a rainy day to be a rainy day fund

Speaker 5 what is wrong

Speaker 5 we have the money and i see you're hungry, but you're not hungry and wet.

Speaker 5 So get doused and then come back and see me.

Speaker 5 If you really want to know why the administration seems reluctant to push the issue, you have to burrow a little deeper into the MAGA hive as they begin to express their subtle reservations about a program that feeds 40-some million people, including 16 million children.

Speaker 15 On Amazon, you can use SNAP benefits to buy an ounce of caviar for 70 bucks. I mean like I don't I don't think I've even had caviar myself.
Like why should this be a like who signed off on this?

Speaker 15 Relax.

Speaker 5 I know you're upset.

Speaker 5 Put down the Panera charged lemonade and calm down.

Speaker 5 My guess is, and I can't back this up, is that the majority of food stamps are not spent on Amazon caviar.

Speaker 5 What is it about these people that get these benefits that bothers you so much? And please, feel free to make me read between the lines.

Speaker 16 Food stamp money will be cut off. And the reaction from many SNAP recipients online has been threats, of course, of stealing and violently assaulting anyone who tries to stop them.

Speaker 12 Why are people who weigh 300 pounds on SNAP? Is there no weight limit for a free food? program. People are selling their benefits.

Speaker 7 People are using them to get their nails done, to get their weaves and their hair.

Speaker 5 Subtle.

Speaker 5 With the B-roll you used and the verbiage. I mean, you guys could be referring to any one of the 40-some million who were using food stamps to get weaves

Speaker 5 or subscribe to BET Plus or people, I don't know, just people who have a People History Month. I don't know who you're referring to.

Speaker 5 It's as though there's people in this country who deserve a break and then people who don't. And we all know who those people are.
It was really the centerpiece of Trump's campaign.

Speaker 5 Kamala's for they, them. President Trump is for you.

Speaker 5 Simple and effective. Might have gotten him elected.
And the real brilliance of it is Trump never actually told America who you were. Are you you?

Speaker 5 Or are you, they, them? Who's they? Who's who? You?

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I'm sure it's a parent

Speaker 5 in the Trump children's book. You know who you are.

Speaker 5 Now,

Speaker 5 as the they-them suffer through the shutdown and Trump pretends his hands are tied, who are the yous that do get the benefit of Trump's largesse?

Speaker 11 President Trump has announced a $20 billion bailout for Argentina.

Speaker 5 Whoa, they're you? Or

Speaker 5 the more formal Usted?

Speaker 5 Why?

Speaker 3 $20 billion to bail out Argentina.

Speaker 5 No offense, Mr. President, but it seems kind of weird that when people are going hungry at home to hand out that much cash to another country.

Speaker 17 Argentina's fighting for its life, young lady. You don't know anything about it.
They're fighting for their life. Nothing's benefiting Argentina.
They're fighting for their life.

Speaker 17 You understand what that means? They have no money. They have no anything.
They're fighting so hard to survive.

Speaker 5 Oh my God.

Speaker 5 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 5 I didn't realize that Argentina was struggling. And I'm sure that they are using our bailout money in a responsible way that doesn't take for a weave!

Speaker 5 Damn you, Argentina!

Speaker 5 I'm just curious.

Speaker 5 Is that a weave or is that

Speaker 5 literally just

Speaker 5 Al Yankovic? What are we doing?

Speaker 5 I'm just curious, you know, there's a lot of countries suffering, including the one that you run. What makes their suffering more urgent?

Speaker 17 I happen to like the president of Argentina. I think he's trying to do the best he can.

Speaker 5 How nice for Argentina.

Speaker 5 If only our president had an inn with Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 We live in bizarro world.

Speaker 5 The president of the United States is no no longer even trying to justify random foreign aid or blatant cryptocurrency corruption or let them eat cake optics all because he loves us.

Speaker 5 He claims it's America first.

Speaker 5 And it creates moments of such blatant irony that words almost fail.

Speaker 5 Do you know what some of the billions going to Argentina are being used for in the midst of what may be a burgeoning hunger crisis in America?

Speaker 4 President Donald Trump buying beef from Argentina.

Speaker 4 Beef!

Speaker 4 What the f?

Speaker 5 Trump is for you, Argentinian beef cattle ranchers. Did you think you were American cattle ranchers? No, you're they, damn.

Speaker 5 They are you and you're they, along with the people on food stamps who will not be able to partake in this new Argentinian beef glut. Wrap your head around that.

Speaker 5 You know, in a different time on this program,

Speaker 5 We would illustrate this disparity with a short play.

Speaker 5 Probably would have had John Oliver come out dressed perhaps like Oliver Twist.

Speaker 5 We would do a whole thing where he's begging the president, please sir, I'd like some more beef.

Speaker 5 Argentinian beef. Yes, and John would be using his fake English accent.

Speaker 5 John is from Fort Lee.

Speaker 5 But obviously we can't do that. John and I work on different one days a week.

Speaker 5 But you know what?

Speaker 5 This delicious irony is still playworthy. So I will do the Oliver part,

Speaker 5 albeit with my own cultural stereotypes.

Speaker 5 I give you.

Speaker 5 Oh.

Speaker 5 Don't get ahead of me.

Speaker 5 I give you

Speaker 5 Hungry Fiddler Too Weak to Climb to the Roof.

Speaker 5 So hungry.

Speaker 5 I dream of sustenance.

Speaker 5 Unfortunately, because the czarist government is shut down, I have nothing to eat. Excuse me, boy.

Speaker 18 Would you like some freshly imported Argentinian beef?

Speaker 5 Was I supposed to be born in this?

Speaker 12 This is the first I'm seeing the script, and I mean, you're pulling it off great.

Speaker 5 But, sir! No, that's okay.

Speaker 5 I'm just gonna go back to old Jew.

Speaker 5 I'm so hungry.

Speaker 18 Oh, well, we happen to have this delicious Argentinian meat that's undercutting the prices of the meat that you normally get.

Speaker 5 Bless you.

Speaker 5 Bless you.

Speaker 5 Bless you, boy chick.

Speaker 5 I'm so hungry. No!

Speaker 18 No, beef for you. We don't take food stamps because you'll just spend them on...
Do Jews get weaved?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 And see.

Speaker 5 Well done, sir. I say that.
Really good day. Well done.

Speaker 5 Yes!

Speaker 5 Or not?

Speaker 5 So for those of you who were wondering during this delightful first year of the presidency who the you was that he was going to work so tirelessly for, it turns out he is for you if you are a personal friend or if you donated a lot of money or if you enriched his meme coin businesses or you enriched his son's crypto coin businesses or if you beat up police officers on his behalf or if you bought him a plane or if you probably promised not to reveal anything incriminating about him.

Speaker 5 Those are the you

Speaker 5 it turns out that he was for.

Speaker 5 And if you're one of those you's,

Speaker 5 life's pretty sweet. But for the rest of us, we're on the outside, and I can only guess what the view is that we're going to enjoy.

Speaker 5 When we come back, we'll be talking to Senator Joe Manchin. Don't go away.

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Speaker 21 1912 to my guest tonight, a former governor, U.S.

Speaker 5 Senator from West Virginia, whose new memoir is called Dead Center in Defense of Common Sense. Please welcome to the program, Joe Manchin, sir.

Speaker 5 Thank you. Thank you for being here.

Speaker 5 For inviting me.

Speaker 5 Thank you for being here. First of all, Forward by Nick Sabin.
We grew up together. You and Nick Saban.

Speaker 3 Three miles apart in two cold camps, Worthington and Farmington. I grew up in Farmington and my dad had a little furniture store.

Speaker 5 My grandfather had a little grocery store.

Speaker 3 He grew up

Speaker 3 three miles over two hills in Worthington and his dad had a little golf filling station. Mother had a little Dairy Queen.

Speaker 5 That's wild. It is.
And was he a baller when he was a kid? Was he a great football player? He was all-state. He was all-state.

Speaker 5 Did you play?

Speaker 3 I played. I went to WVU on a football scholarship.
Okay.

Speaker 5 So I got to college. Wow.

Speaker 3 So then I got hurt in college and

Speaker 3 we've just been good friends all of our life. And his dad, I played for his dad in Little League.

Speaker 5 Right, right.

Speaker 3 His dad was tough. Both of our dads always had one saying, not good enough.
He's never bought a black car.

Speaker 3 He's never bought a black car because every time a black car came in to get washed and waxed, he had to wax it twice because his dad didn't like the streaks in it.

Speaker 3 So you've never had a black car since. And my dad, they were tough.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Tough cold.
That doesn't sound like a fun story.

Speaker 5 That sounds terrible. It's real.
No, no. No, no, no.
We learned. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, you did.

Speaker 5 We had to get it. Yeah, wash it.

Speaker 5 You had to work. You know, and

Speaker 3 my grandmother, she had three rules. We lived between the railroad tracks and Buffalo Creek.
We had a three-room garage apartment, and we lived beside my grandparents, had a little house.

Speaker 3 And for some reason, they all knew that when they jumped the train to go to Mama Kay's, my grandmother, she would feed anybody, she'd keep anybody.

Speaker 3 And she made us, there's 20 little grandkids, we all lived real close together.

Speaker 3 And she made us whitewash the basement every year to keep it clean and neat because someone needed a place to stay.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 No. Did anyone ever stay there?

Speaker 5 Hold on. Oh, we had Will Bar Willie.
Oh, sure. Will Bar Willie.

Speaker 3 Peg Lake Peggy. Peg Lake Peggy.
Deloitte.

Speaker 5 We had them all.

Speaker 3 And every six weeks, I lose them and Mama Kay says, I said, hey, Mama Kay, where'd they go? They're on a tut, honey. They'll be back in six weeks.
But she took care of everybody.

Speaker 5 There was no social services. So I learned that you had to have rules.

Speaker 3 They come down and she'd lined them up. She said, okay, here's what we're going to do.
You can stay with Mama Kay. I'm going to feed you and take care of you.
Nice place to stay.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 you can't cuss. You can't drink and you have to work.

Speaker 5 So those are the rules. I grew up with those rules thinking everybody had to work.
You can't drink and you can't cuss.

Speaker 3 Not with 20 little kids running around. Right.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 We would have made it. We still learned how

Speaker 3 you definitely wouldn't have stayed overnight.

Speaker 5 I'd have been.

Speaker 5 You'd be fine. I'd be stuck headfirst into a sump pump.
I'd be done.

Speaker 5 They'd be all down. and that so that upbringing it's such an interesting

Speaker 5 background you know because the book is called Dead Center right and and you could look at it as this is I'm Dead Center or the Center is dead

Speaker 5 which

Speaker 5 in your mind

Speaker 5 is the correct interpretation

Speaker 3 My mind is dead center, but you're not wrong on the center is dead. It's not a crowded place in the political world today.

Speaker 5 Would there be a place for Joe Manchin?

Speaker 5 Well, certainly in West Virginia, if you were going to run today in West Virginia, you would run as a Republican, I'm assuming. No.
You would not. No.

Speaker 3 I said this. The Democrats were upset with me.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 3 But the Republicans wouldn't like me any better. Because I just couldn't conform to, you know,

Speaker 3 the other side's evil. The other side's our enemy.
And we hate them. We got to defeat them.

Speaker 3 I didn't get involved in public service. I wanted to do things.
And I looked at everyone being my friends with different ideas. Right.
And I tried to get in the middle and make things happen.

Speaker 3 So I probably signed on more pieces of legislation than been passed in 15 years because I was always in that middle.

Speaker 5 You were the guy.

Speaker 5 You were the bell of the ball. You were the one that, if they could get, if they could get to you,

Speaker 5 they could make this happen. Well,

Speaker 5 say you're the bell of the ball.

Speaker 5 Say it.

Speaker 5 It wasn't a pretty ball. No.

Speaker 3 Here's the thing. They would come to me.
If a friend would come from the Republican side, always Ted Cruz.

Speaker 5 Okay. Ted.

Speaker 3 I know Ted. Sure.
Okay. Great guy.
Ted would come over.

Speaker 3 Ted's very smart and very articulate. And he said, Joe, I got something I want you to be with.
I think it's a perfect bill for you. And I'd say, Ted, I'm happy to work with you.

Speaker 3 I'm happy to work with everybody. Then I look at the bill and I'd say, well, it needs some, it's just not right.
It's not everything you said it was, Ted.

Speaker 3 And I said, Ted, if you can let me make some edits to it. and addendums to it, and then it'd be fine.
I'm happy to sign on to it, and we'll try to pass it.

Speaker 3 And if I got two answers from anybody on the other side, two answers would be this way: I can't change anything, it is what it is. That's a political statement.
I don't get upset about that.

Speaker 3 At least I know where they're coming from. They want to make a political statement.
Let them do it. Or he says, Yeah, Joe, go ahead and make some.
You want to get something passed? Let's do it. Right.

Speaker 3 So, once you get to read the language, just can't, you can't, you know, you've got to be friends, you got to talk, you got to understand each other. You've got to want to get things done.

Speaker 5 But there's a conundrum here.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 5 what you represented, what the Democrats wanted to pass in their, in the audacity of hope, right?

Speaker 5 They couldn't pass because you represented someone who wanted to temper maybe some of their legislation, but they needed you because they didn't have the numbers.

Speaker 5 Isn't that the conundrum of a Joe Manchin? What? Is that we need him to be on our team, but we don't need him to interfere with our

Speaker 3 design. Correct.
But, you know, they get upset and got frustrated with me. And I said, let me tell you something.
I have been voting this way all my life.

Speaker 3 I've been involved since 1982 in public service.

Speaker 3 And I've always looked for how do you get things done? You can't do them from the extreme right and extreme left. You don't run your life that way.
You don't run your businesses that way.

Speaker 3 You usually got to find a way to maneuver to get to the next.

Speaker 5 But so that

Speaker 5 in 1982,

Speaker 5 maybe that's the case. But as it plays out, you know, the idea of moderation, Donald Trump didn't win on moderation, and he's certainly not governing from,

Speaker 5 let alone a coherent place. You know, his is, you know, I'm going to put on tariffs.

Speaker 5 It's volatile, it's mercurial, it's impulsive, it goes against a certain It's not normal, John.

Speaker 3 This is not normal what we're seeing.

Speaker 5 But that's my point. Is the antidote to this,

Speaker 5 these last, I don't know how many years, it feels like a hundred,

Speaker 5 this idea that you're talking about, the sort of the gentleman senator. Is that even

Speaker 5 alive in this time?

Speaker 3 My state of West Virginia, wonderful, beautiful state, and great people, and I'm so thankful I was born and

Speaker 3 raised there. They were 100% Democrats, 75% registered Democrats from the Great Depression from the 30s.
And I guess they said, why are you a Democrat, Joe?

Speaker 3 I said, well, I guess my grandfather was very thankful that FDR gave him a chance to feed their children and live. So that's who we were.
And John Kennedy, West Virginia was his stomping ground.

Speaker 3 Without West Virginia, he'd have never become president.

Speaker 3 He had, I'll never forget, John, one time,

Speaker 3 he was, they were all campaigning. All the Kennedys were there.

Speaker 5 And my mother. How old are you?

Speaker 5 I was a baby. Stories.
My pappy was with FDR.

Speaker 5 We were washing a basement.

Speaker 3 Well, I was 12 years old.

Speaker 5 When Kennedy came.

Speaker 3 When 1960, I was turning 13. I was born in 47.

Speaker 5 Right. Okay.

Speaker 3 So, and I, so here's the Kennedy family. My parents are all excited.
Right. We're a Catholic family, ethnic Catholic family.

Speaker 3 My father's Italian. My mother was Czechoslovakian.
So they're all from Eastern Europe, and here we were. So they got all excited.
I never seen them get that excited about politics before.

Speaker 3 And they said this young Catholic Irish person is going to come and ethnic. He's coming.
And they all all got excited. So I got excited.
You know, what the heck?

Speaker 5 And that got you into it.

Speaker 3 No, that got me thinking. That's not what your country can do for you, but what you could do for your country.
I always thought that public service is the noblest of all professions.

Speaker 3 And if you got involved, you had to do something. Right.

Speaker 5 And correct.

Speaker 5 So my, I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 We were watching television, little black and white television, right? And it had to be Walter Cronkite saying, it's been said that if John Kennedy becomes president, the Pope will run the country.

Speaker 3 And I looked at my mom and I said, boy, mom,

Speaker 3 they don't know the Catholics we know.

Speaker 3 Because I never see, you couldn't tell a Catholic anything.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 3 So anyway, I've had a real, a real unbelievable childhood with,

Speaker 3 I was a privileged child. Right.
Three-room garage apartment. Why are you privileged? Not a big house.
Right. Between the tracks and the railroad and the creek.

Speaker 3 Not a fancy neighborhood. Well, why? I had unconditional love.

Speaker 3 There was not a day in my life that I knew that my parents and my grandparents didn't love me unconditionally, but they expected me to return that. And basically, by being accountable and responsible.

Speaker 3 They always said words have meaning, and those meanings sometimes have actions and reactions, and you'll be responsible for both. Right.

Speaker 5 So never forget. In your mind, so those are, man, grounding lessons and common sense.
Yeah. But doesn't everybody think that their sense is common sense? Sure.

Speaker 5 You know, I'll look at my background and I'll come up with the same sort of foundational reasoning that you are. You know, I was raised in a house, we struggled.
My parents got divorced.

Speaker 5 They worked hard, but I learned I had to work hard and I had to, you know, get what I wanted, and all that.

Speaker 5 But those are how you translate that into policy

Speaker 5 is where government comes in. My concern sometimes with

Speaker 5 these

Speaker 5 sort of ideas that common sense is moderation

Speaker 5 is that

Speaker 5 sometimes policy like FDRs, like Social Security, like Medicare, like Medicaid, that's not moderation, it's solving a problem as directly as you can.

Speaker 5 That the art of compromise sometimes dilutes the solutions that you want to bring to people's lives because you're in it for public service. And I worry that that ethos

Speaker 5 dilutes things to where we get unsatisfactory outcomes.

Speaker 3 Well, the shutdown right now.

Speaker 3 I never voted for a shutdown. A shutdown is saying that you can't do your job, so we're just going to close the doors.
Right. That's first.

Speaker 3 So anybody that votes for a shutdown is not willing to put the time and effort to reach across the aisle of what's our big difference. This shutdown is based all around pre-COVID,

Speaker 3 2020, and before. Where were we at that time? COVID comes.
I'll never forget. When we first were told,

Speaker 3 Dr.

Speaker 3 Fausto came and told us in all hundred senators what was coming. We weren't sure about this.

Speaker 3 The only thing I knew about a pandemic, I heard my grandparents talking about, my grandmother's talking about her father died in the 1918 influenza. That's all I knew about a pandemic.

Speaker 3 How old are you?

Speaker 5 All I know about the Civil War

Speaker 5 is what my uncle said.

Speaker 5 So that's what happened.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 5 I understand that. But do you get my point? So in your book, you go through a lot of legislation.
Yep.

Speaker 5 And the choices that you made in defense of moderation, I would say to you, I don't know that West Virginia is a moderate state.

Speaker 5 It voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump, who is not a moderate president. Three times.

Speaker 3 Three times. Over 40.

Speaker 3 He beat Hillary by 40, 41 points. Right.
He beat Joe,

Speaker 3 he lost to Joe Biden by 40 points.

Speaker 5 But not in West Virginia. No, he still won by 40 points.

Speaker 3 Right. And he won again in 2024.
And I've told my Democrat friends, they said, Joe, what happened to the West Virginia Democrats? And I said, Nothing.

Speaker 3 They want to know what happened to the Washington Democrats. And they said, what do you mean? I said, I can tell you why the

Speaker 3 Union coal miners and all the factory workers that I grew up with, where they are today, why they switched and started voting Republican.

Speaker 3 They believe that the Democrat Party in Washington basically spends more resources, effort, and time on able-bodied people that don't work or won't work than you do those who do.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 5 It makes sense. It's just not true.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 I'm only saying it like that's just not, like, even,

Speaker 5 and I feel you think, but like,

Speaker 5 that's a caricature of social programs.

Speaker 5 And this really gets into the thing that bothers my mind. Government is there to step in on market failures.
And

Speaker 5 even food stamps or EBT is kind of a subsidy to Kraft and Nabisco and all kinds of other companies.

Speaker 5 But our healthcare system,

Speaker 5 the market has failed in these areas. And when people say they spend more money on welfare queens and all that than they do on people, that's just not true.

Speaker 5 And the percentage of children and elderly and people on disabilities and people that work their asses off for a living that don't make enough money that still have to apply for government programs to help them just to get by is astronomically larger than this so-called moocher class.

Speaker 5 So if that's their conventional wisdom, they're just wrong. No, I've said that.

Speaker 5 So how do we

Speaker 5 do politics on a failed failed premise?

Speaker 3 Let's take the welfare system. I've tried for the last five years.
I had one person who's as bright as could be. I says, I want to change the cliff to a slope.

Speaker 5 That's all. The cliff is this.

Speaker 3 I'll use $25,000. You make a dollar over $25,000, you lose all your benefits.

Speaker 3 So bet you stop working right there. Or you work under the table, so it doesn't show up.

Speaker 3 Do whatever you can.

Speaker 3 Why can't we make that into a slope and let them work into a livable wage and give them assistance all the way up? It's the cheapest thing we could ever do. Pride and dignity back in a person's life.

Speaker 5 Child care.

Speaker 3 I got viscerated on child care and I said, I'm all for child care. Give it to the people that need it.
And most of them are in the income bracket right above welfare,

Speaker 3 26, 30, 35 up to 50, 60, 70,000. Most of them are

Speaker 3 single households. Most of them are female and they're trying to raise a child.
They're working. We should be dedicating our resources trying to help them lift themselves up.

Speaker 3 We were giving it to $400,000 income.

Speaker 5 But they'll call you a socialist. And then

Speaker 5 you know what hasn't stopped are the subscribers. I'll subscribe to the famous one.
But you know what I mean. I know what you're saying.

Speaker 5 In this country, if you subsidize corporations or if you

Speaker 5 take out and capital gains are taxed less than regular income, that's just standard

Speaker 5 common sense capitalist.

Speaker 5 But the taker class must be penalized. All the fraud is apparently in food stamps and welfare and not in a trillion dollar defense budget and subsidies that go on.

Speaker 5 So I don't, I'm just trying to find common ground, right?

Speaker 5 If we're working off a flawed premise, does the idea of

Speaker 5 moderation and common sense, to my mind, common sense isn't the ACA. Common sense is healthcare, like directly, single payer.
Like that, that feels moderate to me.

Speaker 5 And in the rest of the world, it's moderate. So how do you square that? And I don't mean to, this is not aimed at you.
It's a frustration with

Speaker 5 what I hear back from, it blames people for their own poverty.

Speaker 3 Let me tell your audience about the working conditions in the United States Congress. Okay.

Speaker 3 It's the most hostile environment you've ever encountered.

Speaker 3 You go to work every day and the person on the other side of the aisle is trying to get you defeated. So you're going to work every day and have a co-worker trying to get you defeated or fired.

Speaker 3 So that'd be like your other host coming on, saying bad things about the other one, trying to get the other one thrown off.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Or it's called show business.

Speaker 5 That's what we're in, show business. I think you're right.

Speaker 3 And so the only thing I said when I first got there, I told Harry Reed, I said, Harry, I'm not going to raise money to be used against friends of mine on the Republican side or Democrat side or whether I like them or or not.

Speaker 3 I try to like everybody, but I can tell you where I come from. If you try to get me fired every day at work, we're going to have a little talk after work tonight.

Speaker 3 It just doesn't work that way. And that's just the way things are back home.
We settle our differences.

Speaker 3 But here, I said, I can't genuinely go to a person and say, will you help me with this piece of legislation? It really would help people in my state.

Speaker 5 They're going to say, what the hell, Joe?

Speaker 3 I'm not going to do that. You've just been out.
You come out and campaigned against me. You gave money to an opponent that was running when I got re-elected.
You were out against me.

Speaker 3 Why am I going to work with you now? So it gets divided deeper and deeper. So both sides are blaming everybody, and they want you to hate the other side.
Don't just fear them, but hate them.

Speaker 3 And you've got to defeat them. Don't just beat them, but defeat them.
Everything they're doing, they're breaking down anyone participating.

Speaker 3 The hardest thing I've got today is to get good quality people involved in public service. I'm not going to go through that, they tell me.

Speaker 3 I said it's a small price to pay for the quality and opportunity of life we have here in this great country.

Speaker 5 But as we look for a way out politically,

Speaker 5 the answer feels like it can't lie in

Speaker 5 if Washington was, if they were nicer to each other. It feels like

Speaker 5 the answer has to lie outside of Washington in a battle of

Speaker 5 ideas, this consent of the governed. And that's how Trump is governing.
Does the way he governs give you pause in that, in that that's not how he's governing? Not at all.

Speaker 3 The thing that I've said to, again, to my Democrat friends,

Speaker 3 the mistake was made on the border.

Speaker 3 The asylum should have never been done. We've never done asylum at the border.
Now, the Democrats can say, well, you know, we're compassionate. We wanted to do that because the world was in a flux.

Speaker 3 People

Speaker 3 leaving, going everywhere, trying to find some reprieve. But say we made a mistake and say, We want to work with President Trump.
We want to have a secured border.

Speaker 3 And please, will he work with us and have a legal immigration program?

Speaker 3 program that people can come for the right reason people can stay here that have worked here no crime they're doing it for the same reason our grandparents came right they want a better life we can make that work in 2013 we had a bill bipartisan sure he would not have an immigration problem today

Speaker 3 we passed it in the senate 68 senators voted for it democrat and republican it went to the house My good friend John Boehner couldn't put it on the floor. I kept begging him, John, please put it on.

Speaker 3 It'll pass.

Speaker 5 He was a Republican from Ohio.

Speaker 3 Eric Canner was a Republican from Richmond, just got beat. That's right.

Speaker 5 Because of

Speaker 3 the Tea Party that said he's for amnesty.

Speaker 3 He wants to let people stay here that came here illegally. Well, people are coming here to have a life, trying to find a place.
Have a proper way to get them here. And how about the Dreamers?

Speaker 3 Babies that were brought here. They don't know how they got here.
This is the only country they know. They fight in our wars force.
They're educated. They're educating other Americans.

Speaker 5 And they're not legal.

Speaker 3 That's ridiculous. We can fix that.

Speaker 5 And we had it fixed. Can we?

Speaker 3 Well, we had it fixed.

Speaker 5 Well, we had to fix it. You talk about 2013.
Right before the election, Lankford comes up with a compromise with all of the

Speaker 5 Senate. They ate him alive.
Trump didn't want to do it. So that's

Speaker 5 my point is, is the way for, because we keep talking about what's the way for Democrats? Is it mom Donnie? Is it

Speaker 5 being more center left? Is it being more moderate?

Speaker 5 And isn't the way to just be honestly more responsive to what the real problems and needs are of the people you purport to represent and then fight like a mother, fight like you were brought up to fight, and don't...

Speaker 3 When I was governor, I asked for a waiver on

Speaker 3 my welfare program. Right.
And I told Mike Levitt and that time,

Speaker 3 George W. Right.
Okay. And I say.

Speaker 5 Compassionate conservatives.

Speaker 3 I says, give me a waiver. I says, I don't have enough money to take care of healthy poor people that could be working if I could help them get back to work.

Speaker 3 Because as I do have a moral responsibility and compassion to help those who can't. I've got a lot of poor people that depend on us.
He gave me a waiver. I had that waiver and I tried it.

Speaker 3 I put mountain choices in, teaching people how to work, how to get skill sets back, boom, get back into society.

Speaker 3 It was going good, but there was resistance because when you're giving things away, it's hard to take them back. It's hard, like today, the health system.
The health system is broken.

Speaker 3 That's why they're fighting right now. These subsidies help people, an awful lot of people.
But what happened, the subsidies weren't that great before COVID.

Speaker 3 We've expanded them, try to take them back. Doesn't work that well.
You've got to change the system. But anyway, they took it away from me when Obamas came in.
And I said, why?

Speaker 3 I said, all I'm asking for is let me have the money I need to take care of the people that need it the most. And I'll help the other people help themselves.
And I got chastised for that one.

Speaker 5 Do you still, with your experience, believe in the design of our government as currently constituted as being

Speaker 5 a productive avenue to which to address the things that you are.

Speaker 3 I do.

Speaker 3 I protect the filibuster with my every breath. You still believe.
Every breath in my body because it's the only thing that makes you and I in the Senate.

Speaker 3 If you're in the majority, you give me a voice. I'm a minority.

Speaker 5 If you're in the majority of the House has no measures for a strict majoritarian.

Speaker 3 And George Washington was trying to explain to Thomas Jefferson, How old are you?

Speaker 5 I love history.

Speaker 3 All right. I like history.
I like history.

Speaker 5 Dead center with a forward by Nick Sabin.

Speaker 5 A fascinating conversation, and I really appreciate you having it. Come back and see us.
Thanks, John. Thank you.
I really appreciate it. Come on, stay in your jet management.

Speaker 5 We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back every day.
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