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Speaker 4 My guest tonight, a best-selling author and the former mayor of our own New York City, please welcome Rudolph Giuliani.

Speaker 5 Sir, come on out!

Speaker 6 Good to see you.

Speaker 7 I'm very good, thank you.

Speaker 4 You're looking great.

Speaker 4 So this is it. It's settled.

Speaker 8 It's Bush v.

Speaker 4 Carrier. Are the juices starting to flow now? Are you getting a campaign set up?

Speaker 5 Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 4 What do you think your role will be? Do you think you'll be on the stump?

Speaker 7 What is the stump? I'm not even sure I know.

Speaker 7 I hope that. That sounds like it hurts or something.
It is.

Speaker 4 It's a small log that politicians are the last one to jump off.

Speaker 9 I think I'll be

Speaker 5 campaigning.

Speaker 7 I think I'll be campaigning. For the president, sure.
I've done it already. I've

Speaker 7 been to a number of places. I was in Iowa, New Hampshire.

Speaker 7 When I went to Iowa. Well, you're doing great because he's sweeping the primaries.

Speaker 7 We did very well in Iowa. Very well.
We did very well in Iowa. We did very well in New Hampshire.

Speaker 9 We haven't lost a primary primary yet.

Speaker 4 Do you expect this to be, you know, people keep talking about this is going to be a rough one. This is going to be a,

Speaker 4 both sides are going to start snipping each other. Is this one going to be a wild one?

Speaker 7 I think they already started. I mean, it's been months and months of

Speaker 7 the whole Democratic primary was who can bash the president the most. I mean, it was sort of like the focus of it.
So I think it's going to be

Speaker 7 pretty tough, yeah. Right.

Speaker 4 You think when it, because it's when it's down to one guy, it always seems like the candidate tries to avoid besmirching himself with any attacks. He has to send out the other folks.

Speaker 4 If they say to you, Mr. Juliana, I'm afraid we're going to have to send you out to knock him down a pet.

Speaker 7 I'm just one of those kind, nice, gentle people. I never, you know, get involved in stuff like that.

Speaker 5 You're a sweetheart. It's lovely.
I'm so easy. I have to ask you this.

Speaker 4 Now, there are rumors

Speaker 4 that you would actually make for a powerful running mate with the president right now

Speaker 4 in place of the fellow who's there now, who we all know is actually a cyborg.

Speaker 5 Terrible small.

Speaker 4 No, this is. You didn't know that? No, he was built in a small lab.
That's the bunker. No, but they talk about, they've talked about,

Speaker 4 even if it's not true, it must be very flattering to be considered for that.

Speaker 7 Actually, it isn't. Because

Speaker 7 I'm a big supporter of Vice President Cheney. He's a good friend of mine, and I'm a big supporter of his.
Yes, I've known him for 25 years. Really?

Speaker 7 He gave me the best lecture I ever got on how to be a chief of staff, and I think he's been a great vice president.

Speaker 4 Then tell me, help me, because I want

Speaker 4 to.

Speaker 5 I want to get to meet him once we get him on the show that i don't think will happen but

Speaker 4 i want i want to feel his humanity and yet i can't you know i hear so much about the like cage duck hunt like these crazy stories and and then he talks and he's always got that well we got to go in there and we got to get these guys you know

Speaker 7 is there another side to him behind the curtain that he's a side to all of us than the public side to us i mean it really

Speaker 7 some of the ways i was depicted when i was the mayor used to i used to i used to get fried i used to cry when i saw myself on television i said this is that true?

Speaker 5 No, it's not true.

Speaker 5 No, I knew that wasn't true. I knew you were kidding.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 he's very, very smart, very experienced, helped the country get through the Persian Gulf War back in the early 90s. I mean, this is a man of tremendous experience.

Speaker 7 And somebody that the You believe in this team.

Speaker 4 You truly do. This team is.

Speaker 7 This is not a chore for you.

Speaker 8 This is not a party affiliation thing.

Speaker 4 You do believe in these teams.

Speaker 7 I believed in the team before September 11, 2001. And from that day on

Speaker 7 my admiration for how they dealt with the worst attack in the history of this country has only grown.

Speaker 4 Boy, that's a tough one to make a joke with.

Speaker 4 Son of a gun.

Speaker 4 Now, when you look at, you know, do you know Senator Kerry at all?

Speaker 7 Not well.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I do know him somewhat. Okay.

Speaker 7 Actually, we share something in common. We both had prostate cancer and had to deal with it.
And I remember calling him when I found out about it and having a very, very good conversation with him.

Speaker 7 He's a nice man. He's a a good man.
And this campaign should not be based on personal attacks.

Speaker 7 Both men are good human beings.

Speaker 4 So we can't lose. You're saying we can't lose.

Speaker 7 We can't lose decent men who have totally different philosophies. And that's the way the campaign should be run.

Speaker 9 That is an interesting point.

Speaker 4 I have always found that there's a lot of bashing on both sides, but I truly believe that the Bush administration, in their hearts, thinks they're doing the right thing, however obviously insane it is.

Speaker 5 And that

Speaker 4 the Democrats, but I do believe that they care that

Speaker 4 this is not, you know, people have a lot of conspiracy theories about, you know, the evil cabal that does that. I think all these guys really do believe in their hearts.

Speaker 7 They're doing what's best for them.

Speaker 7 You've got two men who love the country, otherwise they wouldn't go through this.

Speaker 5 It's

Speaker 9 terrorist.

Speaker 7 You don't go through running for president unless you have a real commitment to the country and the idea that you can do something, you can make a difference.

Speaker 7 The president has his view on how to deal with the war on terror. He's remained very committed to it.
I think it's been very successful.

Speaker 7 Senator Kerry has a different view, right? What's his name?

Speaker 5 Kerry? Kerry.

Speaker 5 Senator Kerry.

Speaker 7 He has a different view of how to do that.

Speaker 4 President Bush will keep it to those sorts of things.

Speaker 7 President Bush believes in lowering taxes as a way of

Speaker 5 incentivizing.

Speaker 4 I see where you're going now.

Speaker 7 Senator Kerry believes in lowering taxes.

Speaker 4 We're going to come back. We've got more to talk about with Rudolph Giuliani.

Speaker 9 We'll be back in a minute.

Speaker 5 We're back with

Speaker 4 Rudolph Giuliani. Let's talk some domestic stuff.
Right now, the mayor of New Paltz is conducting gay marriages and has now been, I guess, charged with a misdemeanor based on that.

Speaker 4 I think, what is it called? Solemnizing a wedding.

Speaker 8 It says

Speaker 4 some crazy.

Speaker 7 I did 220 weddings when I was the mayor. Okay.
About 220. Because I really enjoyed doing them.

Speaker 7 It was a way of kind of getting out of that.

Speaker 4 You got to make some money, too. You know, I mean,

Speaker 8 well, it depends.

Speaker 9 You got to throw you 20.

Speaker 7 You want the short one, the long one, the illegitimate one. You know, we could do all kinds of.
We could do all kinds of.

Speaker 4 Hebrew. I know what goes on.

Speaker 4 What do you think about that responsibility? Is that tough to do?

Speaker 7 I think you've got to follow the law.

Speaker 7 Whatever your views are in gay marriage, whether you think it's right or wrong, or you think civil unions are right or wrong, the law in New York is clear. Marriage is a man and a woman.

Speaker 7 And you've got to follow that unless you can get the state legislature to change the law. And

Speaker 7 the mayor of Newpaul's, that's what he should be doing. He should be organizing efforts to try to convince the state legislature, try to convince the courts.

Speaker 7 But it's no different than the principle that was established with Richard Nixon.

Speaker 5 You know, the president's not above the law. He was gay.

Speaker 5 So he was.

Speaker 12 That's a terrible thing to say.

Speaker 7 Different principle.

Speaker 5 That's different.

Speaker 7 But the principle of Richard Nixon was the president's not above the law.

Speaker 7 The mayor's not above the law. You can't make the law yourself.
A legislature does that.

Speaker 7 And if he feels strongly about this, and he obviously does, he should be trying to convince the New York state legislature to change the way

Speaker 7 some others have. Now, what about as they did in Massachusetts?

Speaker 4 In terms of, let's say, all these white-collar scandals and all those sorts of things, with you in charge, do you think you would have gone in there to the New York Stock Exchange and to the SEC and kicked a little bit of a nine?

Speaker 7 I think the Justice Department has done what they're supposed to do. I mean they've indicted Mark, the head of WorldCom Television.

Speaker 7 That one is before a jury right now. I don't want to say anything about that.

Speaker 7 One of the things that used to annoy me when I was a trial lawyer were all the comments about a case by people who knew nothing about it. But

Speaker 7 the WorldCom case is now on indictment, so.

Speaker 4 I'm shocked shocked that you turn on these 24 news channels and they're literally like court TV now. You can't, you know, they're talking about Kobe and Martha and things.

Speaker 7 Trials are inherently dramatic. I mean people think of all the great courtroom drama that's been on Broadway and the movies for years.
So now it's kind of translated itself into live television.

Speaker 7 But this is something people have been interested in. Right.

Speaker 8 I always thought art imitated life, not the other way around.

Speaker 4 But I guess the news organizations have put that on its head.

Speaker 7 I love being a trial lawyer. There probably was no more pure drama than waiting for a jury.

Speaker 4 You ever think you get back in? You ever think you come back to politics?

Speaker 7 I'd like to,

Speaker 7 speaking about the first part, I would like to maybe try one more case or argue one more appeal.

Speaker 8 Can I tell you something that I'm going to do for you because I like you?

Speaker 7 I am going to commit a crime.

Speaker 9 And I'm going to have you do it because you're my man.

Speaker 5 Bruno Giuliani.

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Speaker 4 Please welcome back to the program, Mayor Michael Boomberg.

Speaker 15 Nice to see you.

Speaker 9 And you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 9 We're honored.

Speaker 4 As a matter of fact, you know, I don't get a lot of sitting dignitaries, if you don't mind. I just wanted to get just a quick autograph, if you could.
Just right on the line there, it'd be great.

Speaker 4 I really appreciate that.

Speaker 7 That's terrific.

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Don't worry about putting my name on it.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 Just get that right there.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 9 Do you want to look at it? Do you see what name I put on it? What'd you put on there?

Speaker 5 Jon Stewart!

Speaker 5 Bloomberg!

Speaker 5 Thought I had you on that. Damn it.

Speaker 16 What else did you want?

Speaker 5 Nothing.

Speaker 4 I want to wait in. Let's wade in immediately on what is obviously an emotional, supercharged issue that everyone in the city is talking about, this sliced bagel tax.

Speaker 4 Apparently New York State has passed an eight-cent tax. If you get a bagel regular,

Speaker 4 With a smear. With a smear.

Speaker 4 But if you get it sliced, they add nine cents, eight cents, nine cents.

Speaker 4 How can that be? How can you add to slice a bagel?

Speaker 5 It's our state legislature. They can do anything.
This is not the craziest thing they've done.

Speaker 4 But this is clearly, A, anti-Semitic.

Speaker 5 There's no argument about that.

Speaker 4 Who loves bagels more than us? And B, penalizing in a terrible way downstate New York. Upstate New York, the bagels, they think, what?

Speaker 12 Well, they can't even get a bagel upstate.

Speaker 5 That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 12 That's why they didn't tax them upstate. They only taxed them down here.

Speaker 4 Can you fight? Can you, should we...

Speaker 12 This is one of the causes I'm going to work on for the next three and a half years.

Speaker 5 Is that true?

Speaker 12 It's one of the big things I'm taking on.

Speaker 4 It's tyranny, I tell you. It is.

Speaker 4 How are you handling?

Speaker 4 Obviously, the mosque, the Islamic Community Center in downtown Manhattan has caused an awful lot of

Speaker 4 forfuffle, for lack of a better word. You have spoken out very eloquently in favor of people being able to do what they're able to do on private property.
Is that your feeling?

Speaker 12 When I went to school, we studied the Constitution. It says you have a right to say what you want to say, which means pray to whomever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want.

Speaker 12 And it's just not the government's business to tell you what to say.

Speaker 12 You went on and on about Glenn Beck.

Speaker 12 He has a right to say anything he wants. That's what's great about America.
And people say, well, in Saudi Arabia, you can't build a church.

Speaker 12 Yes, that's the difference between Saudi Arabia and America. And it's plain and simple that.
Whether you like a mosque or don't like a mosque, you don't have to go.

Speaker 12 There's already another mosque down there within four blocks of the World Trade Center. There's porno places, there's fast food places.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's a vibrant community.

Speaker 12 It's New York.

Speaker 12 I understand.

Speaker 4 Why did you have to look at me when you said porno places? Why did you, you know, you're going through it was a very, I thought it was a very eloquent defense, and then suddenly you looked up like...

Speaker 12 Well, I just wanted to make it relevant to you.

Speaker 4 Because I was thinking, and again, I don't know if you're going to support this or not, I would like to build a synagogue, reform, in St.

Speaker 7 Patrick's Cathedral.

Speaker 12 I think if you talk to the Archbishop, he might be amenable to that. He said that he wants to bring people together.
He wants to find another place for the mosque.

Speaker 12 Maybe he'd find another place for your temple.

Speaker 4 Did this take you off guard?

Speaker 4 Now, the sensitivities about that site, everyone knows, you know, the emotions run so hot, the families of victims, the people that were traumatized throughout it, everyone in New York, people in the country, how do you bridge that emotional gap?

Speaker 4 How do you be sensitive to people who feel that site is protected and yet still abide by?

Speaker 12 Well, number one, the New York Times wrote about this mosque a year ago. Laura Ingram did a show about it or mentioned it on one of her shows and said she was in favor of it.

Speaker 12 This mosque has been operating for over a year. There's nothing new here.
The difference is we're in election season. And this whole issue, I think, will go away

Speaker 12 right after the next election. This is plain and simple, people trying to stir up things to get publicity and trying to polarize people so that they can get some votes.

Speaker 12 And I don't think that most of these people who are yelling and screaming really care one way or another. The family members, they do care.

Speaker 12 And the family members that I've talked to, and I'm chairman of the board of the World Trade Center Memorial, 100% in favor of saying these people, if they want to build a mosque, can build a mosque.

Speaker 12 The lives of our loved ones were taken because the right to build a mosque or to say what you want to say was so threatening to people.

Speaker 12 My girlfriend and I were having dinner last week and this guy comes up to me and want to talk to you, a big hulking guy. I'm thinking, okay, I don't need this.

Speaker 9 Well, he's

Speaker 5 comparatively. Right, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 9 So you're saying he's like 5'9?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 12 And he said, you know, I want to talk to you about the mosque. And I'm thinking, you know, it's going to ruin my hamburger.
I got a hamburger and a pickle and a potato chip or something.

Speaker 12 And he said, let me just tell you, I just got back from two tours fighting overseas for America. This is what we were all fighting for.
You go and keep at it.

Speaker 4 And that's, I mean, to be honest.

Speaker 4 I mean, unfortunately,

Speaker 4 I think the difficulty always is, unfortunately, I'm sure there are veterans who fought over there who feel we shouldn't.

Speaker 4 I'm sure there are family members, maybe you haven't heard from them, who feel we shouldn't. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 It's very, unfortunately, you have to divorce emotion from principle to some extent, and that can't always be an easy job. For for an elected official.

Speaker 4 If you're re-elected officials if you were running for re-election, would you feel that you were in a different position or would have to take away from the city?

Speaker 12 I think I should speak out even more if I were running for re-election because I think the public wants people that what they want people to say, candidates to do is say what they believe.

Speaker 12 They want people to be genuine, even if they don't agree with them.

Speaker 12 And I think, you know, saying one thing today and a different thing tomorrow is not exactly a great way to build a career and certainly not good government.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's the way right now, when they're fanning the flames of the fear right now, it was first about the sensitivity of the spot. Now it's moved to where's the financing coming from?

Speaker 4 Who are the people behind this operation? Has that been a concern?

Speaker 12 We would not ask that if somebody was trying to build a temple or a church. Plain and simple.
You don't want to.

Speaker 4 And illegality is illegality. If it's people on a terrorist list, they're on a terrorist list.
Plain and simple.

Speaker 9 Whatever it is.

Speaker 4 Whether they want to build a mosque or a video arcade.

Speaker 12 Look, there are a lot of people who've said things that I don't agree with.

Speaker 12 But if I want to be able to say what I believe, I've got to let you say what you believe, even if I violently disagree with it and even if I find it despicable. I thought the New York...

Speaker 7 Again, I thought you looked at me, which I thought was interesting. Well,

Speaker 12 most of your stuff's fine, you know.

Speaker 5 I mean, your right is a good anyways.

Speaker 8 I've questioned the delivery, but I understand.

Speaker 4 So it's a little shticky as it goes along.

Speaker 12 What are you going to do for that? Look, I mean, you've got this audience buffalo.

Speaker 4 Well, listen, I appreciate you doing it, and I'm looking forward to, you know, we're having a dinner for your foundation coming up. Good.
And you didn't know that?

Speaker 12 I did not know that.

Speaker 5 I did not.

Speaker 4 You're the chairman of the dinner.

Speaker 12 Well, yes, you're doing this for us.

Speaker 5 I know. Thank you.

Speaker 12 I want you to know something.

Speaker 9 You know how much I know about this?

Speaker 4 Where's your schedule at?

Speaker 9 Wait, time out.

Speaker 12 You are so popular, it's been sold out.

Speaker 4 Is that true? Absolutely.

Speaker 12 We don't have any more tables. Which means we underpriced them.

Speaker 4 Underpriced them. No, we're going to raise a lot of money that night.
It's going to be great. Sir, thank you so much, Oliver, for coming by.
Really appreciate the party. Thank you.

Speaker 17 Thank you for standing up for what's right.

Speaker 4 Thank you, sir.

Speaker 15 Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

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Speaker 3 I turned off news altogether.

Speaker 17 I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

Speaker 8 It's the rage bait.

Speaker 3 It feels like it's trying to divide people.

Speaker 3 We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

Speaker 4 NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts.

Speaker 15 Let's move forward from there.

Speaker 4 NBC News, reporting for America.

Speaker 4 Please welcome to the program, Mayor Bill de Blasio.

Speaker 5 Sir!

Speaker 5 Dan,

Speaker 5 how are you?

Speaker 17 Well, I'm feeling good. I just wish we had done a better job getting that snow up to the Upper East Side.

Speaker 5 I know.

Speaker 11 You'll get it up there.

Speaker 4 You know, this is, since you've been mayor, it has snowed, what, three times?

Speaker 17 Three times, yeah.

Speaker 4 I remember Bloomberg, 12 years, never snowed once.

Speaker 17 I think he paid the right guy.

Speaker 9 This is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 17 He had the money.

Speaker 4 Has it been overwhelming?

Speaker 17 It's non-stop. It's 24-7.
It's the ultimate 24-7 job. Right.
But I love this place. I really love this place.
And it's endlessly fascinating to me, but I'd like the snow to end.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 17 I've done the snow experience. I'd like to try something else now.

Speaker 4 Here's the thing: so, you've got, there's a lot of issues that I want to get to today. We've got, you know, stop and frisk, you're going to be stopping that.
We've got

Speaker 4 pre-K education tax policy.

Speaker 4 We've got the stables situation, but there's one thing in particular that is, I think,

Speaker 4 many New Yorkers are talking about, and it's in many ways egregious. And let's take a look.

Speaker 19 Bill de Blasio was caught on camera this week eating pizza with a knife and and fork.

Speaker 4 Now Bloomberg, as you know, used to have his food chewed and then put back into his mouth like a baby bird. But this is unacceptable, sir.

Speaker 4 So may I, this is from, it's called John's Pizzeria.

Speaker 4 This is

Speaker 4 this is, it's called a it's it's a sausage and mushroom from John's John's is one of the greatest pizza places in the history of pizza. I thought maybe you and I could break bread.

Speaker 4 We could share a slice. Would you like a slice?

Speaker 17 I would love a slice.

Speaker 4 With your hand. What are you doing?

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Thank you, John.

Speaker 4 John.

Speaker 4 I got to teach you everything.

Speaker 5 I want to say, John,

Speaker 17 as mayor of Napoli, I mean New York City,

Speaker 17 we are always ready for our pizza. Oh my God.

Speaker 5 Don't even...

Speaker 5 Come on, come on.

Speaker 11 Talk to me. There's another way? Oh, let me show you.
Let me watch this. Let me show you.

Speaker 11 Oh,

Speaker 4 there's a beautiful slice of pizza.

Speaker 11 Hey, Bloomberg's gone, right? Wait.

Speaker 5 Can you, that technique?

Speaker 5 You have a total, have a tota.

Speaker 15 Well, you should have a big oak.

Speaker 4 I put a big oak down there for you.

Speaker 9 Why don't you get it out?

Speaker 11 There's a big oak down here? Yeah. Oh, there you go.
Here we go.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 4 Oh, you are gigantic.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 6 Look at that.

Speaker 15 In his hands, it looks like a regular soda.

Speaker 11 Cheers.

Speaker 5 We'll be back with more of Amir de Boscho.

Speaker 5 Welcome back. We're here with Mirabel de Bashio.

Speaker 11 So now let's talk. So

Speaker 3 let's talk about the one

Speaker 4 stop and frisk.

Speaker 4 There was a challenge, it was ruled unconstitutional. New York City had proffered a challenge to that.
You have ended that. I have.
There will be no stop and frisk.

Speaker 17 We've come to a settlement.

Speaker 3 What is the settlement? Look.

Speaker 17 What I've said was you cannot, it's a simple idea, and our new police commissioner, Bill Bratton, who's fantastic, says this, you can't break the law to enforce the law.

Speaker 9 It's as simple as that. All right, Colonel.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 17 what we had for years was young men of color, overwhelmingly, they were the ones singled out, treated as suspects, even if they hadn't done anything wrong, stop and frisk.

Speaker 17 In its heyday, we had almost 700,000 stops in a single year. Almost 90% of them were innocent people.
In every way, shape, or form. No summons, no charge, nothing.

Speaker 17 That's not how you proceed in a democratic society. I argue that public safety and civil liberties have to march hand in hand.

Speaker 4 How frightened are people when you walk in? Because they must think now

Speaker 4 you're coming in there and turning everything upside down. The uncertainty must be palpable at City Hall.

Speaker 17 I don't wear the Che Guevara t shirt when I work.

Speaker 11 Or I think that's wise.

Speaker 17 I've thought about that.

Speaker 11 No, look,

Speaker 17 I'm blessed to have had a very strong mandate from the people to make some real progressive change.

Speaker 17 And throughout the last year, I talked about the tail of two cities we were living.

Speaker 17 This was all about acknowledging the inequalities that have become very fundamental and unfortunately growing in our city and going at them, whether it's the inequality of how policing was done or inequality in terms of income or inequality in terms of education.

Speaker 17 The people of the city are ready to actually take that on head-on. And so, yes, there are some bureaucrats and others who are hesitant, but I know that the popular support is there.

Speaker 4 How do you explain that to people who have enjoyed a more absolute position in the city, somewhat unassailable,

Speaker 4 that that is

Speaker 4 fairness and justice and not persecution? You know, how do you convince them that the loss of a more absolute power is not persecution?

Speaker 17 This comes up, for example, with our plan to tax the wealthy for pre-K and after school. I've said anyone who makes a half million or more pays a little bit more in their city taxes.

Speaker 17 What does it allow us to do? Full day pre-K for every child in the city, after school for every middle school student for free, guaranteed. Would be transcendent in terms of our school system.

Speaker 17 Would totally allow us to prepare our kids properly. And you know our...

Speaker 4 You and Cuomo are fighting a little about it. He says, I'll pay for it from the state.
You say, I'll pay for it from the city. Why can't we go 50-50 on this bad boy?

Speaker 17 You know, I like the way you think, but

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 17 because we need to know the money's going to be there year after year. And the only way we're going to get that is if we have a tax that we control here in the city.

Speaker 17 And if we tax those who make a half million or more, they can handle it. The equivalent for someone

Speaker 17 who makes between a half million and a million dollars is the price of a small soy latte at Starbucks once a day.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 Can I, if I, because I, this is, I'm going to end up paying a little bit more, can I go to the pre-K

Speaker 4 and be like, you're mine.

Speaker 4 And so you better get those grades up because I'm on your ass.

Speaker 17 We're going to create a program for you.

Speaker 5 Thank you. I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 I think you deserve that, right?

Speaker 4 So the 50-50 thing, no fly, though.

Speaker 17 I think we need more reliable money, but let me tell you. And from the state? Well, the state hasn't offered a specific dollar figure, and they certainly haven't offered the five years we need.

Speaker 17 This is a five-year, $2.6 billion plan to make sure that every child gets a strong start in the state.

Speaker 4 Couldn't Bloomberger just chuck that in as an on his way out? Just

Speaker 17 threw it into a pot? It could have been a gratuity.

Speaker 5 That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 Hey, thanks for having me as man. Nice job.

Speaker 8 Have some teachers.

Speaker 5 It's something for you, Pat. Right.

Speaker 17 But here's the thing. When I go and talk to wealthier folks and say, we want you to pay a little more so we can do this, some people get upset.
Some people say, are you trying to punish success?

Speaker 17 I say, we're not trying to punish success. We're trying to create more success stories.
We're trying to get more kids.

Speaker 4 The people that have done very well in the city have done well in this city because of the opportunity that this city and its infrastructure have offered us.

Speaker 4 And I think it is the least we can do to, as they say, pay it forward. And if that is a few, you know, you're not a creative, this is not, you have to give us 95% of your money.

Speaker 4 This is, I think, a reasonable way of looking at it. That being said, the fear is we return to a different time in New York when it was

Speaker 4 less orderly and things were more chaotic. And how do you tell people that that is not the case, that this is going to be changed but done in a manner that is much more reasonably prescribed?

Speaker 17 Whenever you see a progressive moment, whenever you see progressive leaders come into office, that charge is thrown in one way or another.

Speaker 17 That we're going to have a more compassionate society, somehow it's going to connect with disorder. It's specious.
It's not true.

Speaker 17 And the bottom line is we know the great threat to this country is inequality. The great threat to the city is inequality.
We have rampant growing inequality.

Speaker 17 It's going to be unsustainable for for the long term. People need a core hope in our society, a democratic society, that they can actually get somewhere.

Speaker 17 They need a core amount of visible opportunity, and that's been slipping away. So if you want to talk about destabilizing realities in our society, talk about inequality.

Speaker 17 But progressives can run governments effectively. Progressives can be fiscally responsible.
Progressives can focus on public safety, but we're going to do it in a way that respects people's rights.

Speaker 11 I'll have you back in three years. We'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3 He's joining me to discuss his first six months in office and how he's tackling some of the city's most pressing issues.

Speaker 17 Please welcome Mayor Eric Adams.

Speaker 11 You don't realize it, but you just assaulted me with that handshake.

Speaker 3 I'll try and be a little more gentle next time.

Speaker 11 Please. I'll try and be a little more gentle.
Welcome to the show. Thank you.
Because, you know, you doing that,

Speaker 11 you could be inside for 24 hours, you know.

Speaker 3 Let's talk about that before we move on. Like, I heard what you said about Rudy Giuliani.

Speaker 3 You said that he should actually be investigated for reporting a false crime because if it wasn't for that video footage,

Speaker 3 that person who tapped him on the back, which, again, I don't condone, but that wasn't assault.

Speaker 11 No, it was not. He falsely reported a crime.
And the district attorney should take that seriously. That person that he falsely reported spent 24 hours in jail.
That's not acceptable.

Speaker 11 It's not acceptable. And so I'm going to call the DA.
We must be consistent. All of that, theatrics that he did, that's not acceptable.

Speaker 11 If that tape wasn't there, imagine what would have happened to that man. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Can't happen.
Can't happen.

Speaker 3 Many New Yorkers have really been impressed by the attitude you've taken to education. You know, you've come in, you've revamped the system,

Speaker 3 you're creating a world where, you know,

Speaker 3 your staff is really focusing on getting New York City's education up to where it needs to be. Two parts to the question.

Speaker 3 Number one, what do you still think needs to be achieved in terms of education in New York? And number two,

Speaker 3 how do you remove or fight against all of the segregation that happens in New York City schools?

Speaker 3 Because you have a city where everyone mixes, and yet in the schools, it seems like the city is still in Jim Crow.

Speaker 11 You know, you know, a couple of things. Number one,

Speaker 11 I learned a lot when I was in South Africa. I drove from Cape Town to Port Elizabeth to Joborg, and I spoke to a lot of people there.

Speaker 11 When people talk about segregation, they don't look at the hidden segregation we have in America.

Speaker 11 Our school system is dysfunctional. And we have acknowledged that dysfunctionality because black and brown and poorer students are the impact of that.

Speaker 11 65% of black and brown children never reach proficiency. in our New York City school system.
And we've normalized that. And so what I did, I looked at my journey.
I was dyslexic. I'm dyslexic.

Speaker 11 From K through 12, I used to walk in the school building, they used to put dumb suited on a chair. I was bullied, and it's not until I got into high school did I discover that I was dyslexic.

Speaker 11 There was nothing wrong with me. Wow.
30 to 40% of the prisoners that are in Rikers Island, dyslexic. So what am I doing as mayor? I'm taking my journey and now helping other children.

Speaker 11 We have dyslexia screening for every child now. And I'm going to Rikus and screen the prisoners for dyslexia so they could get the services they need.

Speaker 11 I'm going to chat to you a little bit more after the break.

Speaker 3 We're going to be chatting about police. We're going to be chatting about rents in the city and we'll be chatting about why some people think you're the quirkiest, most interesting mayor in America.

Speaker 11 Don't go away. We'll be right back with more from Mayor Adams.

Speaker 3 Welcome back to the daily show where we are joined by New York City Mayor Eric Adams. Mayor Adams, let's jump into two of some of the most pressing issues in the city.

Speaker 3 Number one, police, which touches on crime, but you know, it's almost two separate issues at the same time.

Speaker 3 One of the things you ran on coming into office was, I'm going to bring down crime in New York City. Since you've come into office, crime has skyrocketed.

Speaker 3 It's only been five, six months, but I'm sure many people would love to know from your perspective, how long do you think that promise will take to achieve? And how do you actually bring crime down?

Speaker 3 Because every mayor has a different solution for actually achieving that.

Speaker 11 Well,

Speaker 11 it's a unique moment.

Speaker 11 People that know my history, I was arrested at 15. I was beat badly by police officers.
They assaulted my brother and I in 103rd Precinct. I returned back to that precinct when I became the mayor.

Speaker 11 I fought against

Speaker 11 the abuse of stop and frisk. I've testified in federal court, and the judge mentioned my testimony when she ruled against the police department.
I can't go backwards.

Speaker 11 We can't go back to the days when every black and brown child that walked the streets was treated unfairly. And so we have to have that balance.
I like to say intervention and prevention.

Speaker 11 Intervention is right now. We took 3,000 guns off our street.
Shooters dropped by 30%.

Speaker 11 Homicide dropped by 13%.

Speaker 11 We're moving in the right way, but I'm not going to allow us to be abusive in the process. Prevention.
Let's do the long-term things.

Speaker 11 Let's lean into foster care children so they have the opportunities and not age out without the support.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you this thing about New York.

Speaker 3 This city has always been an interesting place where the police unions and the mayors have often had a fraught relationship.

Speaker 3 You're a really unique mayor in that you were police, you come from police, and yet you've experienced police and you've tried to change police and yet at the same time you go, you have to encourage the police.

Speaker 3 So obviously you have critics and fans that inhabit both spaces, but I'd love to know this because I know a lot of New Yorkers have this as a question.

Speaker 3 When crime is down in the city, Mayors will say, well, that means the police are doing their job.

Speaker 3 We need to give them more money, more funding to the police force, which oftentimes oftentimes means less funding for the schools, the other services, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 But then when crime is up in the city, mayors will say, oh, that means we need to give the police more money because they need more help bringing the crime down.

Speaker 3 So what I'd like to understand is why is it that in that job, whether things are going well or not going well, the money always increases. It doesn't seem like it matches what's happening in the city.

Speaker 3 And how do you address that as mayor, whilst also acknowledging these are people, these are people in the city trying to keep everybody safe, et cetera, from a mayor's perspective, I understand it?

Speaker 3 How How do you find that value?

Speaker 11 Good question. Well, first of all, the prerequisite to prosperity is public safety and justice.
They go together.

Speaker 11 Historically, people will say, you could only have justice, you could only have public safety. And I say no to that.
It's not a trade-off. We could have both.
We could be safe and we could have

Speaker 11 justice. That accountability is going to be in place.
But let's not kid ourselves. We have been producing an inferior product all across the city.

Speaker 11 We spend $38 billion a year on education. Yes, 65% of black and brown children never reach education.
They've been playing us. We've been getting played for so long.

Speaker 11 So the problem is not that people dislike me. They say they know who dislike me? People who have been eaten off of us.

Speaker 11 All of those people who make contracts from pulling people downstream. You know how much money is made when a child is dyslexic and is not educated and he's incarcerated?

Speaker 11 You have counselors, you have therapists, you know, you have people who feed them prescription and drugs. People have been playing us, brother, for a long time.

Speaker 11 And now I come along and say, listen, the game, the gig is up.

Speaker 3 So, just in case I missed it, though, I don't think I did, but how do you then grade whether the police are doing well or not in your city?

Speaker 11 Combination. Because

Speaker 11 we'll never be able to deal with this crime problem with just police.

Speaker 11 We can't police our way out of this.

Speaker 11 When you have foster care children at age out of 21, and you know every year 6,700 of them are, Only 5% graduate from high school, only 22% graduate, I mean, 22% graduate from high school, 5% from college.

Speaker 11 They're more likely to be homeless, mental health, unemployed, victims of crime, participate in crime. So, what I'm saying, no,

Speaker 11 let's let them get support until they're 26, 90% graduate from high school. Let's open up our trade schools like I did after Brooklyn STEAM Center and give these children certifications.

Speaker 11 Let them go into some of these jobs. Google is here, Facebook is here.
Why not have these children fed right into employment, be part of the growth of the city?

Speaker 11 So if you employ, then you won't have to worry about the criminality that you're seeing. By the time a child picks up a gun, we already failed.

Speaker 11 We failed already.

Speaker 3 So then but then why do you care so much about some of the smaller things?

Speaker 3 You know, like for instance, why does the city need to spend so much money on police monitoring who jumps a fair and who doesn't?

Speaker 3 Like what is the percentage of money that the city's using on fair jumping? I like that. I like that.
I don't really need to go to jail for like, come on, on.

Speaker 3 People are going to pay. And the people who don't pay, like, what is that percentage versus everyone else?

Speaker 11 That's a great question. Here's what we can't do.

Speaker 11 We cannot send a message that any and everything goes in our city.

Speaker 11 Because it starts with, okay, so or someone jumps the fare. And when there are systems, we have a reduced fare MetroCard program.
If you can't pay enough, we're going to give you the MetroCard.

Speaker 11 And there's ways to get on a system if you can't pay.

Speaker 11 So you can't walk walk into Dwayne Reed and say, you know what, I'm going to take whatever I want off the shelf and I'm going to walk out because now Dwayne Reed is going to close down and that low-wage employee who's going to school at night to try to make a living is going to lose his job because you decided you don't want to pay.

Speaker 11 So we can't have a city where you can do whatever you want. No.

Speaker 11 We're going to be a city where not going to criminalize poor, but we're not going to allow someone to state that their economic status is going to allow them to disrespect what it is to live in a city like New York.

Speaker 11 I know what it is to be poor, brother.

Speaker 11 We used to go to school every day with a garbage bag full of clothing because mommy said we're going to be thrown out and we want you to have clean clothing so you won't be embarrassed when you go to school.

Speaker 11 But mommy made sure we're going to always uplift ourselves, fight hard, and we're going to be respectful in the process.

Speaker 11 I'm not going to allow people to believe because of where they are is who they are. We're so much better.

Speaker 3 So let's talk about one of the parts of the the city that everyone agrees needs to become better, and that is affordability. Yes.

Speaker 3 As you said, New York City is not made by the Empire State Building, it's not made by the Statue of Liberty, it's made by the people. Yes.

Speaker 3 The people feel like they can't remain in New York because they can't afford to live here. And you're seeing this spread.
It's going out to Brooklyn, it's spreading into Harlem.

Speaker 3 Many parts, I mean, the main part of the island is almost unaffordable for most people.

Speaker 3 For people who don't live in rent-controlled apartments,

Speaker 3 where there's no recourse. I've heard people's rents jump by 20%, 30%, 40%.
It can just do whatever, and you're out. Your life has changed.
It becomes unaffordable.

Speaker 3 Half the places in Midtown are owned by people who don't even live in the city, never mind the country. What do you do as mayor to prevent that from happening?

Speaker 3 How do you make it so that the people actually want to live in the city? Because I've seen you say, by the way, people need to come back to the office.

Speaker 3 I've seen you say, we need to get back in the office. People need to get the New York City back to life.
And I understand why.

Speaker 3 But I can also see why people say, well, Mayor Adams, why should I come back to the city when I can go and live, you know, 40 minutes away, 50 minutes away in Connecticut on a train and not have to pay these rents anymore?

Speaker 3 How do you prevent these people from turning this into a ghost town?

Speaker 11 What do you do? What I must do as the mayor is now create affordable housing, which we're doing, which is very interesting.

Speaker 11 You have some of the people who are advocating for affordable housing, and I say, okay, great. We're going to build it on your block.
Whoa, whoa, not on my block. Right, right.

Speaker 11 You know, you want to upzone on my block?

Speaker 11 See, we have to stop the hypocrisy of people, those who are advocating for something, but when it's time to produce it in their space, inconvenience them, now they have a whole other conversation.

Speaker 11 We want to build safe haven beds. Show me the community that's going to allow me to build the safe

Speaker 11 haven beds to get wraparound services. So we must get in the business of affordable housing.
But once we build it, we have to put people in the units.

Speaker 11 We're going to change the game of NYCHA, which you know what NYCHA residents have been going through for years. and now we're moving in another direction.
So affordability is crucial.

Speaker 3 Make it affordable. Do you think you can find the balance? Because as a mayor, you're always responding to business, some of the richest people in the city.

Speaker 3 You're responding to the people who are annoyed by poor people. As you said, the NIMBY's, not in my backyard, right? They want change, but not in their backyard.

Speaker 3 And you're responding to the majority of the 8 million people.

Speaker 3 What do you think you're going to be able to do in the short term?

Speaker 3 I understand the ideas behind it, but what's a concrete thing you you can say to New York as we go like, hey, this is what I'm actually going to do for you in the short term?

Speaker 11 Right, and we're doing that right now. First of all, the affluent New Yorkers.
Do you know 52%

Speaker 11 of our taxes are paid by 2% of New Yorkers?

Speaker 3 I can believe that.

Speaker 11 If we lose those 2%, we lose our teachers, our firefighters, our cops. So for me not to engage those high-income earners,

Speaker 11 that's as foolish as a mayor. And I'm not going to do that.
I want them to pay their taxes. I want them to volunteer.
I want them to contribute to my museums, to my nonprofits.

Speaker 11 They need to be a part of that. And so when you look at what we're doing right away, childcare vouchers for

Speaker 11 families in the city, you know, people were paying $50 a week. We were able to get them down to $10 a week.
We're open so many new seats in child care.

Speaker 11 What we're doing with dyslexia screening, what we're doing with college fund for our children, when you start at a college fund for a child, they're four times more likely to go to college by having a child care,

Speaker 11 this college fund.

Speaker 11 When you look at what we're doing, what's called the crisis management team, and how they're dealing with crisis on the ground for prevention,

Speaker 11 what we're doing with earned income tax credit, brother, we send back billions of dollars because people don't know how to fill out the forms to get the resources that they deserve.

Speaker 11 So we're making it that easier and streamlining of the

Speaker 11 earned income tax credit. So, we're doing things that are going to put money back in the pack pockets of New Yorkers.

Speaker 3 So, before I let you go, I'd love to know, real quick, what would you grade yourself as as a mayor right now? What grade would you give yourself?

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 I know it's a tough one.

Speaker 11 I told you when we spoke earlier, there's no tough questions for me because I'm Okenti. I'm going to be me.
You are you, definitely. I'll say that about you.

Speaker 11 What would you grade yourself as as a mayor?

Speaker 11 I, I. I'm incomplete.
I'm incomplete.

Speaker 11 I'm incomplete. That's interesting.
Yeah, yeah. That's an interesting one.
I'm incomplete.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 11 I'm incomplete as a mayor. I'm incomplete as a man.
I'm incomplete as a father. I'm complete in my personal life.
I get up every morning. I meditate.
I exercise.

Speaker 11 I pray.

Speaker 11 I say the Pledge of Allegiance.

Speaker 11 And I get myself ready. Every day? Every day.
Every day. I mean, the last one's a bit weird, you have to admit.

Speaker 11 But it's not. It's not when you think.

Speaker 3 I mean, surely the flag knows by now that you...

Speaker 3 I mean.

Speaker 11 Yeah, well, you know, we, you know, this country,

Speaker 11 this country has a lot of issues. Yes, it does.
But I've been all over the globe. And this is the only country with dreams attached to our name.
It's not a German dream, a French dream.

Speaker 3 Well, the French dream is, but it's a very different kind of dream.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate the time.
I know you're you're a busy man.

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