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Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the shows and happy Monday.

Like, it is what it is.

Let's just get it over with, you know, just the only way out is through.

Rip off the band-aid.

However, now sitting and reflecting upon the week, it's actually not a regular, degular week for us swirlies not for the jewish swirlies yes and for the toasters by us moses because

we'll be off for rosh hashanah is this end of this week so we'll be off thursday and friday celebrating the chag which is very exciting it's the start of the jewish new year new beginnings the hills new beginnings should old acquaintance be forgot and

they need to make that version in hebrew for roshanah that song is so good yeah even though that's like the official New Year's song, it has no place at the Rosh Hashanah table.

Well, if they did a Hebrew transliteration, no, translation, then I think we could make space for it.

What do you think?

I think that would be beautiful, but we do have a lot of songs, you know?

I feel like the religion, the Jewish religion, is like all set.

on songs.

Yeah, and it's it's hard to talk about because the way there's like a word to describe those types of songs.

I don't know if it's like a Yiddish or a Hebrew word, word, and it sounds like it has a lot of similar letters to like a bad word in English.

Oh, I was going to say Zmirot.

Oh, Zmiroat is good too.

I was going to say...

I know it, now I know what you're going to say.

Let's stick with Zmirot.

Okay.

But Zmiroat's the same thing.

But it's like an important word in our culture.

And it's just unfortunate that it sounds like in English like a slur, but it's literally not.

I don't know if it's Yiddish or Hebrew.

Just like unfortunate things, you know?

I think for, you know, maybe some Christians, the word, like, it's like hymns almost.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Also, or little diddies.

I never heard that before.

Like a ditty is a little song.

I don't know.

Well, in Yiddish/slash Hebrew, it's N-I-G-G-U-N-G.

Oh, you really just want to say it.

Well,

it's a beautiful word in our culture.

Like, I like it.

Two things can be true.

Say it.

No, I'm not saying it.

But it's pronounced N-I-G-G-O-O-N, like goon at the end.

Goon.

Okay.

So lots to talk about.

I've actually made a list because I didn't want to forget, right?

Right.

There is a lot to talk about.

A few things.

First is just

really horrible weekend for like a lot of states.

And I want to like send love.

Although I don't even think the people listening who live in those areas can hear this.

There's no power.

Like the Carolinas, Florida, Tennessee, like the videos, like full towns being completely underwater.

So sad.

So sad.

I feel like sending love of course though they're probably not hearing this but more so like spreading awareness i feel like my journey to understanding like what's going on in these parts of the country like it hasn't been as like mainstream as you would think um and i've been seeing people posting i'm like wait that's how why am i just seeing it from like instagram homes's

writing partner like how come i'm not seeing

lane oh okay also good no but i saw like nico posted luke's writing partner who's like from a small town in north carolina was like my town is gone no it's so sad.

I don't know why that's where I'm hearing it from.

So I feel like people are like slowly starting to understand the devastation.

But I do feel like it needs a bit more of a spotlight.

Yeah, like the very few videos that have come out of like full suburban towns just completely underwater.

People's homes like literally floating down a river, like a whole ass house.

So sad.

There are tons of places to donate.

Like thankfully, Instagram has been like the place where I'm hearing most about it.

So just devastated and sending, like, you can't even hear this, but I hope everyone who lives in that part of the town, I mean, of the country, is okay yeah I think it'll be a while before we know yeah the truth especially because it's like between mountains it's impossible to get to those places they're they're like one road towns one road in one road out and that road is gone so the only way to get there is like via helicopter it's gonna be a while before we understand like what's happened i saw whole ass bridges like just floating down rivers so sad so Just wanted to talk about that quickly.

I watched a lot of TV this weekend that I do want to talk about.

And I'm not going to spoil it, but I do want to talk about Nobody Wants This, the new Aaron Foster show that I had heard a lot about.

And I'm not going to lie, I watched it.

And before I shared, like on social media, I gave it like four or five episodes because I wanted to have like a full wealth.

Cause I'm like so, I can, I can acknowledge that.

I'm definitely like sensitive to like media representation and like very like of Judaism and probably more that, more critical than the average person.

And

after I watched eight total episodes and after like the fourth episode, I made like an official decree that like it passed my test for, you know, representation of Judaism.

Now, of course, like, could I nitpick a couple of things?

Yes.

But overall, I thought it was so good.

Like, the show itself is super cute.

Like, rom-com vibes.

Adam Brody is just everything in this world.

And I feel like he did a really good job of like representing this like young, modern, conservative rabbi.

And it was really good.

Like, I still have two more episodes, but all in all, I think the show is being really well received.

And, you know, Erin Foster is a convert to Judaism.

And I feel like she really respects Judaism.

Like, she took her conversion really seriously, and I think that really comes through on the show, especially during times like

these, where like, you know, you have to be extra careful.

I really feel like she did a good job.

And Ben and I, we were first, like the first couple of episodes, we're like, does this pass the Bechtel test, you know?

And there was a scene, I forget what, oh, they did like a little Shabbat dinner at a restaurant.

They took like a bread basket, two candles from like the tables.

And it was just like, I think a really good representation of Jews, like of, and of like assimilated Jews, Jews who like live in LA and you might not know because they're not dressed like

a super religious Jews.

I thought it was really good.

And like from a show perspective, entertainment perspective, like super cutesy.

Jonah from Veep is in it.

He's far and away the best character.

Like he's he always is.

He's so fucking funny.

And they cover a lot of like classic Jewish things.

There's like a weekend where they spend at Camp Jave Room, Jave Reim, which is like a Jewish sleepaway camp.

And it's so perfect.

Like it's classic.

There's also like the rabbi's in like an intramural basketball league with his Jewish friends.

Like literally Ben.

Ben was cracking up.

Like really nailed a lot of like the cultural things.

You know what?

I really liked it.

I think you would like it too.

I'm going to watch it because everyone's talking about it, and this is our bucket.

Oh, and the main characters are sisters who host a podcast.

Like, not me thinking it was about me, even though it's literally about the pastor.

Sister and Sarah, except she didn't marry a rabbi.

No, and so when I first heard the show was coming out, I liked the concept, but I almost wished they didn't make him a rabbi.

They just made him like a devout Jew, you know?

Right.

And this is my, my biggest like compliment of the show is that I think a lot of times when you talk about like Jews who who are insistent about marrying and dating within their faith, there's never really an explanation for it.

It just sounds like, you know, we're Jews and we don't like other people, right?

Like we hate everyone.

When it's so much deeper than that, it's like integral to our existence.

And

it's not this like non-exclusive thing.

It's important and it's, you know, it's for our survival.

And I felt like it wasn't that like they didn't like Kristen Bell because she wasn't Jewish, because they hate non-Jews.

Like I felt like, not necessarily that it was explained, but it didn't come off as like for no reason, you know, like Jews just need to marry Jews because we only like each other.

Like that's so not it.

It would be nice if we could all marry whoever we wanted.

Like there must be this existential threat all the time.

Like it would be nice.

It would be nice.

So that's probably what I liked most about it was that like there was an understanding as to why like his parents were disappointed.

Like his, you know, what their grandfather went through.

Like I felt like it was not necessarily explained like for dummies, but it didn't come off where I think it sometimes can come off as like Jews are very insular and we like hate hate other people and we only want to marry within each other.

That's really not what it is.

We marry within each other like to ensure our survival.

Right.

Amongst other things.

But yeah.

No, but it'll be interesting to see how they approach that.

I feel like Erin's like respect and love for Judaism and love for her husband and her husband's family.

I feel like it really came through while also being like a cutesy fun ram kami show

with great music.

Okay, great.

I'm going to watch it.

I had to do so much reading this weekend.

My weekend was like kind of

just, you know, not as

much reading.

We had sickness in the home.

So I was just like making soup.

I heard somebody was going around farting on your pillows.

Nobody was going around farting on my pillows.

I heard it was me.

That perhaps, maybe when I was at your house.

Oh my God.

Totally.

So it was just a home back, like we were just home the entire weekend, which was honestly really nice.

A lot of playing and, but no TV.

And I had to read for the Redheads we're recording today.

It was my book to have intermediate it?

Husbands and Lovers.

Yeah, I literally read like the first five pages.

I told you, I'm like in a place in my life I cannot read.

I'm really excited for the episode.

I feel like people are not going to expect my thoughts.

You hated it?

I didn't hate it.

I just like, I thought it was weak sauce.

Chilling.

And it was my pick.

So usually, you know, you're very inclined.

But I'm not attached to that like the other girls are.

Like I can be real.

Everyone is so like protective over their choices.

In my book club, it's the same.

Like even if your book is the worst, like you will die on the hill, but being like, it wasn't that bad.

What's even crazier is everybody loves this book.

The reader with us, like the host, it has great reviews.

So for me to be the one who chose it, who should like it the most and everybody likes it.

So if I said I liked it,

I'd sound like everybody else.

For me to probably be the one who's going to be the most critical, it's going to be a shock to the system.

Wow.

Another scandal hitting the Redheads community yet again.

The Redheads are quite scandalous.

And also, we haven't recorded since Dani gave birth.

So we're going to get her birth story.

Oh my God, you guys.

The craziest thing, I keep saying this.

The craziest thing happened in Dana's delivery room that you are, you have to hear from her mouth to believe.

Yeah, so all that's going on today, the episode will be up on Thursday.

Check out the Redheads.

It's great.

It's the only thing keeping me reading.

So thank you, Redheads.

Honestly, that's amazing because I like read the first two, three chapters and I actually really was enjoying it and I put it down and I never picked it back up.

I'm very much in my TV watching era, which you know what?

It's probably better for my job.

So I just need to lean into the TV era.

I feel like there was like literally a whole ass year where I didn't watch TV.

I'm back.

Everything comes in waves.

It's so true.

You've got to follow the current.

Not only am I in like my TV watching binge era, I'm also very much in my Sabrina Carpenter era, which like I was before last night, but I absolutely have to take a minute to just sing the praises of this queen.

Like, Jackie, and I just was looking it up.

You have the floor.

Take all the time you need.

Jackie, I was just looking it up because I'm like, you have to go, but she's only playing Orlando and Tampa.

I know.

The furthest south she's coming is Orlando.

She's not coming further south to South Florida.

Margo said that maybe she'll add more tour dates because I think her tours are selling out.

Yeah.

And I looked at the dates, but like to not even come to Miami, like, girl.

Is she going to like Dallas?

Not when I'm going to be there.

I looked for that too.

Okay, because let me tell you how fucking amazing it was.

And you know me, like I like things, but I'm always critical.

Like I don't have, actually, I didn't like her shoes, but like I like they're maiden shoes.

They actually were.

I was, I saw them on TikTok like leading up to the shows because people were posting like the opening nights.

This is only the fifth show of the tour.

I'm like, oh, that's interesting, like choice of shoes.

Besides for like, you know, she she wears her big boots that I love, like platform shirt girly.

There's like a whole, there's three acts and there's a whole act where she wears these like tap jazz shoes.

I'm like, what the hell are these?

Whatever.

It's so not important.

The show,

let me tell you.

Like Disney, they know how to churn out stars from the vocals to the dancing to the lights to the set.

Like I, the whole thing, and what are we always saying?

She has the most unique point of view, right?

Her aesthetics are always matching her clothes, her graphics.

Like there is this very fluid, feminine, and that was so clear in the show.

Like the sets, the graphics, they were hysterical.

She's very like funny, but it was all like a 50s, very like I love Lucy, the screens.

It was like a short and sweet TV.

So cute.

The feathers, the lingerie, like it was so feminine and so beautiful and sexy.

And Margaret and I were talking afterwards because, you know, she, I feel like she does target like a younger demographic.

And there were like TD boppers around me, but it was actually an older crowd than I had anticipated.

I thought it was literally going to be like, you know, when I was at Olivia Rodrigo, these girls like screaming, crying into their Snapchat, like crying, like not even watching the show, watching themselves cry on Snapchat.

And I would say it's a little bit older, which I think is good.

I think she very intentionally wants like an older audience because a lot of her music is very, you know, innuendos.

And mature.

It's a bit mature.

The show was so incredible.

Like her voice is next level.

Like

she can belt.

She can high voice.

She can do it all.

The songs, I only did it.

And I'm not even like a diehard.

Actually, I listened to her whole i will say like i'm a really big fan but i didn't know about two or three songs like older ones

the joy like everything she's so cute she's so happy everything was colorful and positive like she was having the time of her life on that stage like literally and she was so proud to have sold out madison square garden and like she just kept thanking everyone like really genuinely

She put on such a show and you know the tickets were so hard to get shout out to Remy Vader for giving me her extra ticket like literally so nice.

What were you gonna do if not?

I I didn't realize you were going with Remitria.

I was going with Remitria.

Well, I was like planning on, you know, like either buying or like, you know, I was going to see the landscape and she was like, oh, I have a ticket.

Do you want to go?

And I was like, fuck yes.

So I didn't even have to do any work.

I saw

them at home cooking.

I was like, damn, didn't get the invite.

Ben literally sent me a text.

Send videos.

I like her too.

Claudia, the whole night after the concert, I'm hearing the concert from my husband's phone, watching you and Margo's sorry.

He's like, he's obsessed.

It was really hard to get tickets like Margo and I had to separate Margo went like we it was kind of every man for themselves I saw somebody it was literally Aristor vibes like someone was selling a ticket like a decent ticket for like $150,000 like really crazy she only did one show in New York she's so mega and like it was just so exciting to see someone like at that level like who A was truly grateful for it right like she couldn't believe everything that was happening to her and she kept saying that like this year has been just a dream come true to do it like really I think I don't think she I think she gets to make all the decisions in her career like everything she puts out is something she wrote and that she feels passionate about.

And just, it's also joyful and it's also positive and fun and dancey.

Like it was just, it was an, like I left feeling so happy.

That's how you should leave a concert.

I love that.

Bring back joy.

As we've said, this is what I've been, well, I've been trying to tell everyone about Sabrina and I feel good that you guys are getting it.

But it's important to have like positive role models who are cheery, who are happy, who are inspiring people to feel the same way and not just like soaking up each other's misery now There is one thing that happened at the show that I like I really did not like and I think like you really won't like it either.

It was weird Well, I don't as of right now I'm not going so tell me.

Okay, so like the whole show is like very sexy but like in a really tasteful way because Margot was like wow is so sexy and like yeah she was like on a bed like I'm trying to tell you guys Sabrina is raunchy.

Yeah, but it wasn't like I feel like a lot of sexiness like in music.

It's like grabbing your crotch, right?

Like she wasn't doing that.

She was like very like the way boot.

Yes, sensual and not so overt like yes she was laying in a bed but like it wasn't disgusting I can't explain it like it was really sweet and

but then like before Juno she does this thing where you don't want to try on my fuzzy pink handcuffs so she gives like pink handcuffs away to someone in the audience and like they put them on the screen and

she was making like sexual like innuendos like baby like Juno baby making type of things and like the person that she chose was like three 12 year old boys

and they had like fake they had like fake beards drawn on their face to like look older like it was like they were from the crowd, yeah.

So she picked them out before like like you know, uh, 22 style.

Well, no, they were in the pit.

They were in the pit.

I feel like she just chose them like at a, like, at a whim.

Yeah, and Margo and I were like chatting about it later.

Truly 12.

Truly 12.

We say everyone's 12.

That's a good point, but I actually think they were truly 12.

Like, actually, I don't know how old kids are.

They were 12.

They were under 15.

Okay.

And it was just weird.

And then she goes into Juno, which is probably like her most sexual song, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I looked past it because of winner.

Yeah.

I looked past it because whatever, you know, like I, I can't be critical of it.

And it's like, and she didn't do anything.

Like, I don't love the message.

There are so many like actual doers.

Yeah.

So many maps out there.

In the age of P.

Diddy, like, we have to be prudent.

We have to focus on the doers before like we the sayers.

Yeah, it's just like it's not right.

Especially I'm sure many of the people we talk about on this show like are probably pedophiles.

And we talk about them.

Yeah.

And we're like, oh my God, they're so amazing.

So, like, I don't think Sabrina is a pedophile, but I don't like that.

I don't like the messaging.

It was just like a little inappropriate.

Like, me and Remy were like, oh my God.

It was really,

it was unique.

Like, it was really crazy.

Okay.

Yeah.

Let's reign it in, Sabrina.

But other than that, I don't want to harp.

Like, it was amazing.

It's nice to see someone

so joyful, so proud of herself, but also so worthy.

Like her talent like was next level between the choreography, her voice, her outfits.

Like

we knew she was going to slay the house down with the, with the visuals, with the aesthetic, but it was even better.

And she is so gorgeous.

Like really, really her hair.

I couldn't stop staring at her.

Like it was really amazing.

I also think as a shorty, It's hard to take up the whole stage.

Yeah, I remember I saw Ari perform at Madison Square Garden and she just felt so little.

Yeah, I think

she was super.

You were?

Yeah, we all went together.

A different time I saw her.

I went with my friends, little Madison.

She has friends.

She has neighbors.

She was kind of the dream.

And I was kind of far back with my friends, of course, with Turtie got prime seat.

And so I just like at MSG, it kind of didn't feel like she filled up the whole stage.

She's like little walking around in her sweatshirt, like singing softly.

She's like, she feels small.

She feels small.

And Sabrina is also a shorty.

And I do think like the short girls have to work twice as hard to be seen as so big.

1,000%.

So she had the big hair, the screen, like she really, she just crushed it.

I don't have one complaint.

Like it was really super well done.

Except for the 12-year-olds in the shoes.

Yeah, of course, of course, of course.

I don't have three complaints.

Barring all that, a perfect show.

I'm so glad to hear it because Sabrina has done something that not really anyone has done before, which is like.

When I love someone or something, like it really typically goes nowhere.

It doesn't go where it should go.

And so for her to overcome like the Jackie oh standard for people and shows that she loves right

is amazing and then when you see it succeed then you see why I was loving in the first place you know I didn't think that's what you were gonna say I think Sabrina has also overcome of course the Olivia Rodriguez right and what's the funny thing is I think it was a year maybe more than a year ago that I was at Madison Square Garden for jingle ball and Olivia Rodrigo was the headliner and it was definitely like awkward for Sabrina because like you know Olivia did what she did and Sabrina was like four acts, maybe like an hour before Olivia Rodrigo.

And then, this, like, girl who, like, in your eyes, ruined your life, gets to like stomp all over you and become a huge star.

And it was like, and Sabrina was amazing, but she only had like two hits back then.

It was before like the real espresso.

It was like nonsense and feather.

And to see her sell out Madison Square Garden, and she did play All Because I Liked A Boy, which is like really the only song she ever wrote in response to her saga, except Skin, of course.

No, no.

Don't forget.

And it was real, like she, everyone was screaming, and she, she even looked like she had made peace with the situation.

She let everyone else sing the part, when everything went down, we already broken up.

Like, it wasn't angry.

It was just like, look what I did.

And so she really did also come out of that trope on top, like just as big.

She's well on her way.

No, but it's like in that situation of Sabrina, Joshua, and Olivier, like Olivia had this viral success, like lightning struck and it wasn't going to, like, the odds that it would strike twice into this group of people like nobody was even like betting on it because that just doesn't happen like what Olivia accomplished was like far and beyond what most pop stars accomplish period let alone given the like high school musical the musical the series

So then for like Sabrina to do it also like it defies all odds

weren't even betting on the odds because like there was not even a chance in hell and you know Joshua Bassett is on his knees.

Please, please, please do it a third time, God.

Yeah, that was.

He's touring.

He's releasing music.

Yeah.

Well,

sorry.

Even though it's so crazy, we were just talking about this when we were talking about the try guys recently, privately.

Like,

what happened between Olivia, Joshua, and Sabrina?

Why was everyone in a Tizzy again?

No, like, why did everyone care about people who you never even heard of up until this moment?

It just was this weird saga that gripped people, even though he's like, never heard of.

They broke up, and then he started dating someone else.

Right.

Okay,

that is

Sabrina's side of the story.

No, and Olivia's.

Olivia like says in one of her songs like that they didn't cheat.

Like okay.

It was never about cheating.

It was like they broke up and he dated like the older blonde girl and like everyone had their panties in a twist.

Like people break up and start dating someone new all the time.

I don't know why like ever and that Sabrina became like the villain of the story when like literally all because she liked a boy.

Like I don't in hindsight, I don't get it.

Yeah, no, it was really crazy.

And same with the try guys.

Like that guy, I don't even know his, I don't even know his name.

And what he did was worse because he had an affair.

Yeah, like crazy when a scandal becomes national and we don't even know the parties.

I didn't even know what the try guys were.

I did not know this person.

I did not know his wife.

I do not know his mistress.

Like, why should why am I caring about what he's doing in his personal life?

So much so that he has to quit his podcast.

Like, I just hope the next time something like that, we can all just like pause to be like.

We don't I didn't even know when it's someone that you like look up to and they air of course you have a right to feel something

but i didn't even know him i think that that was a lot of people's experience as well not ours but with scandival like they got all caught up in this show i maintain that scandival was so crazy because it was the best friend of course if scandoval is different if tom had been cheating on ariana with someone that we didn't know it would have been so much different of course but she was a player biblical okay by the way i believe that in the try guys the girl he was having an affair with was also like a part of the the crew.

She was like a producer or something.

Then that would make it make sense.

Yeah.

As to why they had to like kick him out of their podcast.

Right.

So crazy.

At least they gave us the stry guys.

So true.

Without him cheating on his wife, there would be no stry guys.

And so we have to thank Ned for that.

Ned Schneebly.

That was the other crazy part about the Try Guys like scandal was like we were talking about a guy named Ned, you know?

We were talking about the try guys.

Like that's what's crazy.

All in all, I know nobody needs to hear this because like good luck getting a ticket, but if Sabrina is going to your town, like, it's worth the fight for tickets.

Wait outside.

Like, it was

an umbrella.

Map out your route and make a plan to see Sabrina.

Oh, by the way, the make a plan season is upon us.

Like, the election is like two months, less than two months away.

Your favorite influencers or celebrities are going to start talking to you like you're actually brain dead about how to vote.

If you're mailing in, don't forget a stamp.

Like, they're really going to.

I don't think it's pre-stamped.

I do, actually.

Don't forget to lick the envelope like something.

Like they are really like, I remember it happened happening last election season.

And it wasn't a presidential election.

The last time I noticed this, this was like two years ago.

So now that stakes are higher.

No, and now with like mail-in ballot

election season like starts even sooner.

I saw an influencer like saying she just got in her mail-in ballot.

It's like it's September.

And so you have time.

The season is upon us.

You don't have time.

The season is upon us.

Don't forget to pack a stack, bring an umbrella, bring a friend, map your route, and pick up an elderly on your way.

She's a young, able-bodied woman.

So like, why would someone like that mail and vote?

I'm gen, that's a genuine question.

I don't know.

One time I mailed and vote in college because

Hurricane Sandy?

No, it was Hurricane Sandy.

Okay.

So it was like drama.

I forget what happened that they like, and I was an NYU student.

So they literally made it so easy.

Like if you picked one up at your dorm.

And then I remember like six months later, I got a letter in the mail being like, your ballot like never made it to us until it was too late.

Like return to sender.

So I'm just more of an in-person voter because I, the mail system failed me.

I'm an in-person voter.

And it should be exciting about getting the sticker, being a part of the process.

Of course.

And, you know, I'm also like an in-person state farm agent sort of girl.

Like, you know, of course I'm taking my arse to the ballot box.

We are also like knockwood, knockwood, bite by tongue, bite by tongue, like able-bodied.

Like we can and we should.

Of course, of course.

That's why I was asking about this influencer, like young, able-bodied woman.

Going to vote where I vote is like a school.

And I love the annual reminder that, like, I'm no longer in school.

When I see, and it's always like, it's always like a, like a, like an active school.

Like, it's, they get the day off, but, like, shit.

See, like poster board up on the wall.

Yeah.

The sides there.

Let me tell you, I'm like actually having traumatic like flashbacks walking through these halls.

It's such a classic high school.

I'm like, uh, get me the fuck out of here.

And I think we like vote in the cafeteria.

Like, the whole thing gives me flashbacks.

Gymnasium.

The auditorium energy.

This is my first first year voting down here.

What kind of facility is it?

Like a church?

What is it?

Dude, it's like a DMV.

Ah.

I have to check, though.

I have to check where.

That's just like where I registered.

So I don't know why I assume that's.

Oh.

There's just like a big, like, there's like government infrastructure, you know?

I don't think you can vote at the DMV.

No, like in the building where the DMV is.

Sorry.

It's like a big government.

It's a complex.

It's a complex.

It's a complex, and it's quite a complex situation.

Speaking of complex situations, how are the stories today?

The stories are good.

It's very female-focused.

Like,

it's a woman's world.

And we are truly lucky to be living in it.

Also, when you talk about Katy Perry, do you know what's going on?

No.

No, because like no one's talking about it.

Like, she released this album, Floppity Flop, Flop, Flop.

Everyone in America.

I've started to, I like two songs from the album, Wonder and All My Love or whatever.

And I've actually started to like remove them from my liked playlist because I'm sick of hearing them.

And by the way, Claudia, I never do that.

It's just like when I follow someone, like, you are followed.

So let me just say, so she had this like absolutely atrocious launch, like kind of became a joke, a meme.

She left the country.

She went global.

She performed at Rock and Rio and she's now in Australia doing these like AFL.

I don't know what it is.

I think it's like a Super Bowl type of show.

She is having insane success.

Like people are dying over her performances.

Apparently, she's getting paid like millions and millions of dollars.

She's crushing it.

And

the reception has been so positive, like literally the opposite of what happened in America.

She's like the number one artist in Australia right now.

Great.

Yeah, I'm happy for her.

Me too.

Okay, that's good news.

Good.

Good.

Good.

Because it's a niral.

Yeah, who runs the world?

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Well, it makes sense why you're such a sound-of-minded individual.

Our first story, Ariana Grande is on the cover of Vanity Fair, along with her wicked co-star Cynthia Arrivo.

There are like a couple of covers, joint, solo, and she's talking about her man, SpongeBob Ethan Slater.

I mean, she's talking about a lot of things, the movie, yada yada, women.

Women, of course.

But for the purposes of today's episode, she's talking about her man, Ethan Slater.

And this is what she had to say about their relationship amid headlines about their respective divorces.

So she clapped it back at the criticism by saying, quote, the most disappointing part was to see so many people believe the worst version of our relationship.

There couldn't be a less accurate depiction of a human being than the one that the tabloid spread about him.

No one on this.

Him.

What?

Him.

No one on this, yeah, that he left his baby for the big pop star who.

Yeah, but he's like a nobody.

I think like the

bigger like headline was her.

No, she was the bigger headline, but in terms of like what things seemed wrong, him leaving his wife and baby was worse than her leaving that irrelevant.

Yeah, yeah.

But I think it was more like her stealing the man and father.

For sure, but we do have to put the onus on the man that like he has self-determination and she can't steal him.

Though I do think she has some womanly wiles, but that's neither here nor there.

For sure.

Like in a good way.

Like

she said, no one on this earth tries harder or spreads themselves thinner to be be there for the people that he loves and cares about.

There is no one on this earth with a bigger heart.

And that is something that no bullshit tabloid can rewrite in real life.

She went on to clarify that she is not the evil evil deal diva, evil diva that people have portrayed her to be.

She said, the back and forth throughout the course of my career has been really hard to navigate mentally, claiming that the media has been trying to destroy her since her teens.

Okay, I want to talk about a bunch of different things.

First, I want to talk about SpongeBob.

And I want to operate under what she's saying, which is like he is the best person.

The picture that has been painted of him that he like left his wife and child is not who he is.

She will never talk about and clarify what happened.

That's the thing.

But okay, maybe she doesn't want to because

out of respect for the baby or the mother, whatever.

What could it be?

How could this have gone down in a way like

the wife having did the mother have the affair?

So the baby not his.

She has maintained in her own way, like whether it's speaking directly to media in a very subtle way, like she just did, or Bowen Yang has oddly been like a spokesperson for her, being like, everything you're hearing is completely untrue.

So they have really maintained this line of like, this did not happen the way that you think it did.

But they have not offered an alternative as to what did happen.

And I just, I find it.

frustrating because I want to know what the, I'll make a decision when I know what happened.

But for right now, I'm only being given one version of events.

And then the other thing I'm being told is that's not true.

Okay, but I did more than that, you know, or just don't talk about it.

Yes, I'm going to believe her, though.

Like, I believe that it did not happen in the way that we think because like

she's so adamant.

So what do I think happened?

I don't know.

Like, my imagination isn't that big, but like maybe the ex-wife, like, had an affair.

The baby's not his.

He got in a paternity test like a few months after the baby was born.

Cause baby didn't look like him.

Like, I don't fucking know.

But

that is fair.

Something bigger could have happened here.

And she wouldn't say that because that's, you know, putting these,

she's not going to throw that in front of her like to save her own arts but she can like reiterate to her fans like it's not what you think if you trust me and like you know me know me and i'm a good person then you should believe me and like i'm believing her i don't know what it is but like i'm holding i'm leaving space for the option

that it didn't go down in this way

okay sure

What way did it go down?

Paternity incident.

By the way, I like that.

Like that to me makes sense.

Her like having an affair and leaving him, that seems less likely.

But the paternity, because that's

something you leave your, your wife and mother of child for.

Because at that stage, like you try to make it work, right?

They're really, what, what could be so bad?

But yeah, I guess if the kid's not his, but look at us.

Now we're coming up with terrible theories about this victim.

Like I'm telling you, the story is so messy.

They have to just tell us.

But if it was something like this, they couldn't tell us.

What are they going to air this little baby's dirty laundry before before the baby's even one?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I guess we would need to know.

Like, it would be easy for us to surmise if this potentially conspiracy theory was true.

Like, is he still seeing the baby?

Like, does he have visitation?

Because if it's not his kid, like, bye.

But maybe he's committed to being a father to this baby.

And that's why he's looking out for the baby and won't throw the baby under the bus.

And the baby's mother.

And the baby's mother.

I don't know.

Just saying.

Anything could happen.

The book I was reading was about a couple of paternity incidents, so it's kind of top of mind.

Hmm.

Well, no, it's a good theory.

I like it.

It obviously needs to be worked through a little bit.

But this very subtle way of like addressing directly, but not saying anything, it's frustrating for sure.

Yes, but now as Ariana's fans, and I don't know if you're among them, but like Ari's

need to, and like, you know, her stand even, like the Arianators, like really need to like look within and be like,

do I believe Ari?

Like, do I believe my girl

some people won't and some people will I think that's all she's asking for is like the benefit of the doubt and

I yeah I'm giving it to her because also I like her and I want to listen to her music well the shocking part of this whole saga like isn't really

what went down it's the fact that like Ariana Grande the one of the biggest pop stars in the world, one of the most beautiful women, successful, talented, like that, that that this is who she chose.

Like that is definitely surprising, though.

Yeah, yeah.

But she doesn't have a track record of like amazing like taste in men, like even Dalton who.

And it seems as though she doesn't like have a type physically.

She goes like.

No, I feel like she does like really skinny, like

nerdy like looking.

No.

No, I will say, like, for me, her OTP is Big Sean.

Like, it'll be anything.

He's not skinny, nerdy looking.

No, he's also, like, so happy, and he's been in, like, the most long-term relationship since Ariana Grande.

Like they're never getting back together.

Yeah.

But that was a good time for all of us.

I just really hope that these two stay together at this point.

Like they have to.

They have to.

Even though, what has it been?

Like it's been over a year.

Yeah, it's been over a year.

It was like last summer, I think, everything went down.

So that's a real relationship.

Yeah.

So.

Anyways, Wicked comes out soon.

I got a PR box.

I got admitted to Shiz University.

There's been some confusion over ruling here at Shiz.

Wait, that's pre-mim as hell.

I know.

I got a sweatshirt that says shiz.

Zach was wearing it all weekend.

It was cracking me up.

Sick.

That's literally sick.

I'm so jealous.

Yeah.

I am so excited for this movie.

Like, it looks so good.

I think Cynthia Rivo is like the most talented person on the planet.

Like, I cannot wait to see what she does with Glinda.

The soundtrack, I can't, like, I literally can't wait.

And we've been talking about it for so long.

And it's literally here.

I know, but the PR box came and I was like, what?

Oh, I guess

November.

I guess, you know, if people are mail-in voting, we can start promoting the wicked movie.

1,000%.

They're on the same track.

But of course, I'll care for Nessa.

But of course, I'll rise above it.

I

can't wait.

Like, seriously, can't wait.

I'm sat.

Bring your pillows to the theater.

It's going to be long.

Well, it's actually two separate movies.

That's how long.

That's like really crazy.

And they're going to make us wait like a whole year in between.

It's actually perfect for me because probably by the time I see the movie, the second week.

That's like where I'm at.

I saw Barbie a year later.

I could hold off.

She's on her own schedule.

I can hold off.

I still don't know what happened on Real House Eyes of Salt Lake City that everyone's quaking over.

That's so crazy.

I know.

She's also never seen like a single video from the Eras tour.

I've not seen Errors Disney Plus.

It's insane.

It can be done.

And I'm a very online person, too.

I feel like there are people who have those things about them, but they don't have social media.

Like, I am online most of the day.

I look for stories.

Like, and I have my blinders on.

That's so crazy.

Yeah.

So, just something about me.

Are you ready for our next story?

Another couple that I really needed to stay together that didn't.

Who?

Kristen Cavallari and her influencer boyfriend, Mark Estes, have split after seven months.

Let me tell you.

I kind of was riding for them.

I'm shocked.

I know, know, because he was also like very recently on her podcast talking about like how it's the greatest sex he's ever had.

I feel like every time I was reading about them, like it was so amazing and positive as recently as a few weeks ago.

So how do you go from like

amazing and positive to broken up in the span of a few weeks?

And obviously like zoomed out, it's not shocking that like her rebound.

15 year old boyfriend, like that it didn't work out.

But but if you take a closer look and you've been watching them as we have, you all started to think these two were the real deal.

Let me tell you what it reminds me of.

Pete and Kim.

Pete and Kim, where it's like, at first, it's like, what?

These two are dating?

What the woo?

And then I actually think they were together.

What the woo?

I think they were together for about seven months.

And by then, I was like, oh, you know, an odd couple, but it works perfectly.

It works.

And then they broke up and I was genuinely shocked.

because I had fully come around on them and because of everything they had put out.

But maybe it's maybe they are similar in the sense of like

this sort of relationship has a seven month shelf life based on whatever issues come with the age difference, the difference in lifestyles, difference in where you live, difference in careers.

Maybe it's seven months.

No, and I think when it's a relationship with like a much older woman, at some point the relationship does reach a dead end.

solely due to like having kids, right?

I don't think Kristen Cavalier wants to be out here having babies.

Like she's done that already.

Same with Kim.

Like, and then this is like a young, sprightly man who obviously always pictured himself as a father and that reality setting in that like maybe that's that's not what's going to happen i think that's part of the seven-month itch yes perhaps though i could have seen her having his babies and same for kim because kim always said she wants more kids they did that vanity fair interview where they said kim was probably the one to most likely to have six she would have a surrogate she has her eggs frozen

i don't see kim having more kids But literally, when she was dating Pete, the sisters did that interview and the interviewer asked like, who's most likely to have six kids like Chris?

And they said, Kim.

Okay, but I, but I still, I don't see it.

I'm just saying.

And I could see Kristen having more kids because she also kind of reminds me of Courtney Kardashian.

Yes, because she's like earthy and like doesn't vaccinate her kids.

So it's like, woo-woo.

And like clean and very like

natural.

And it's just, it's natural to be in love and have a baby.

Of course, of course, of course.

But I also think Kristen's like a girly, like a fun girly.

And I think like there was a time in her life where like that was what she was doing.

And now she's like business owner, famous girly like.

Mikabo, Mika no.

Yes.

And that part of her life is over.

And that's fine.

Like, it's okay.

She has three beautiful children.

Oh, I mean, of course it's okay.

I'm just, I'm just speculating.

Yeah, no, I don't see her or Kim having more kids.

At this point, I guess not, because this says no.

Right.

I'm devastated.

I really am.

I saw potential in these two for sure.

Although, like, if you zoom out,

no.

No, but they had me believing, like, and they became so, like, serious.

They were doing red carpets together, podcasts together.

Like, yeah, when he was on her podcast, like, just talking very openly about the relationship, that for me, I was like, oh, wow, okay, this is more real than I had thought.

Yeah, I think she had posted pictures of him with her kids.

Damn, yeah.

So, same with Pete Davidson.

Like, he was hanging with the kids.

He was stepdad.

Tattoo.

Remember, he got the tattoo?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was a crazy time.

It was.

So I will genuinely miss these two as a couple.

I wish them both well and endless happiness.

And if the Montana boys have no fans, rip to me because I passed away.

They are so cute.

I like what they've got going on.

Yeah.

Well, now we could put her back on the list.

And she's a good one to have on the list.

Yes, she is.

She's kind of a core tenant of the list.

Yeah, and she's like flexible.

Like she can date an influencer, but she can also date like an older business member.

Yeah, and she like divides her time.

Nashville, LA, New York.

Like, I feel like we could put her with someone

transatlantic.

Yeah, I love that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, wishing everyone the best.

Truly.

Are you ready for our next story?

Story?

Number three.

Yeah.

A couple that did make it all the way, thankfully, and now they have bought a new house.

Olivia Culpo and Christian McCaffrey bought George Clooney's LA mansion for $14.5 million.

Not only did they buy a house, they bought like the house.

Olivia and Christian are reportedly the new owners of George Clooney's former LA mansion.

They purchased the Fryman Canyon estate from George for $14.5 million, TMZ reported on Sunday.

The 7,000 square foot six-bedroom home offers lots of privacy since it's secluded and surrounded by dense trees.

The property also features a 3.81 acre plot with a separate guest house, pool, and tennis court.

Like this is a palace fit for a queen.

And I have long felt that Olivia, I was going to say Rodrigo, Olivia Culpo like deserves to live in George Clooney's former home.

And like now she's at that level and I'm really, really excited for her.

I'm really excited for her.

And you know what else I love about Olivia Culpo, and this is why everyone should watch the Culpo sisters, is like she lived in like this gorgeous house in

LA that was in architectural digest, that like is looks like a classic, beautiful home.

And like it was so well lived in.

Like her family was always there.

Like every room was filled with people, filled with love.

She's always cooking.

Like she really lives, like she will enjoy this house.

And I feel like, not to say like anything about LA homes, but I feel like, you know, people travel this, that, like, all they probably have all these rooms that they don't even go into.

Like, this house will be lived in that guest house.

And he's the same way with his family.

Like, he's super close.

No, okay, but I was actually thinking about her actually yesterday because I was watching the 49ers game.

They won.

And I was thinking about him and how does it like you obviously have to have a place in San Francisco if you're on the San Francisco 49ers like and then you have because I think of like the use checks like they have a house obviously that they live in like in San Francisco for the season and then they live like their home home is in New York yes so I guess their home home would be LA for her work yes so he had sold his properties in North Carolina when he moved to the Niners he got a place there and then in the offseason he was living at Olivia's house in LA

Oh and so now they have like a marital home and now they have a marital home unclear what her like they'll probably list the former home, but there's not details on that.

Right.

And that was like her former home that she like bought and paid for herself.

Like loved to see it.

But now she's in a dual income home.

He does very well.

He has like one of the biggest contracts in the NFL.

Like, yeah, they need a $15 million house that was, you know, former, formerly lived in by a mall.

Like, it's perfect.

It is perfect.

And they do need a $15 million house.

Like, they really have that much like family and friends who are constantly staying with them.

She has her like nieces and nephews.

Like, it's just, it's a house like brimming with love.

And I'm so glad to see like every room will get used.

Now, I watched a 49ers game last night.

Brock had an amazing, like they played amazing, but also like the Patriots like stinkerooney.

Like it's not hard to like be good.

So let me just say that.

But Brock was really having a great night, but something kind of crazy happened twice.

So

they

scored.

The Niners scored, but like a flag got thrown because George Kittle like allegedly was holding.

He wasn't.

He really wasn't.

So they took the

touchdown away, but they still had another chance.

They go.

They make a touchdown.

Kyle Yuszchuk.

And, you know, Kyle Yuszchuk's job isn't to make touchdowns.

So it was like just like kind of an amazing day for him.

He made this like great catch.

Flag, George Kittle.

They took it away.

Literally, they lost two touchdowns in a row.

Then they scored again.

George Kittle, the most amazing catch you've ever seen in your life.

He's like, damn, I fucked up two touchdowns.

I got to make this one.

And there were three guys guarding him.

He jumped up in the air and he caught it.

It was very heroic.

But I know he felt a lot of pressure in that moment for like losing two touchdowns for the team.

That he was like, listen, I got this.

Don't worry.

Kind of an amazing game.

So proud of my guys.

Because I'm not like other girls, you know.

In the sense of...

I watch football like for fun.

Oh, of course.

Of course.

No, I'm happy that they won.

Given this purchase, we do need season two of the Culpo Sisters.

Totally.

And if you haven't watched the Culpo Sisters yet, like you should.

What happened to the show?

So it was on...

like TLC Discovery Plus.

Then it got moved over to Max, which I think was like good.

It's a good thing.

Yeah.

And then I think they were probably waiting to see like how many like post-show streams it got and it would get picked up up for a season two but it hasn't yet

well that's kind of your fault i did everything i could you liked it too much i know but it's also like maybe because it was like so good and positive and sisterly and loving that the world couldn't handle that yeah that sort of joy it's so true i'm sorry i know i know how much you liked it and how kind of often you reference it it was a really great window

Totally.

Into a great group of gals.

Braxton's there.

Wait.

Braxton is there in a major way.

Like, so much so that you actually, when you're watching this show, you think that Sophia and Braxton are going to get engaged before Olivia and Christian.

No, by the way, people forget Sophia was with him for years.

No, but they were also so serious.

Like, they were both dating these football players.

And, like, it was kind of awkward for a second because it's like Olivia's older.

They've been together longer, but, like, Braxton and Sophia, like, seem more serious.

Like, ready to go.

That's really crazy.

That's not what happened.

Yeah, really crazy.

Damn.

Well, Well, Olivia, no, no, what's her name?

Sophia has a boyfriend now.

So everyone's sort of settled.

Like Braxton and Alex seem to be going well.

Danny and Zandra seem to be going really well.

That whole, it's a very incestual circle.

Like the TikTokers from Miami and the Culpos, like they can't escape one another.

Danny and Zandra.

I know.

Braxton and Alex.

Braxton and Sophia.

Like, they can't untangle.

I know.

Danny and Zandra are germane to this story.

1,000%.

Yeah.

Anyways, Mazel Tove to the Culpo McCaffreys.

I keep wanting to call her Trout Culpo.

Oh,

That's funny.

You should.

I know.

Trout McCaffrey.

Trout McCaffrey.

Trout McCaffrey.

I know.

I just need to

let everyone know that if I do accidentally call her Trout,

I've been slipping.

Well, feel free to explain to anyone.

Because I called my sister Olivia Trout, and this is another Olivia.

So when I see Olivia, I'm like, oh, it's Trout Culpo.

What she's up to.

When you think of Trout, what do you think of?

Like, not Olivia, Trout like the Fish.

What movie are they eating trout?

Oh!

Oh.

Parent Trout.

No, and Confessions.

When they go camping.

confessions of the shopaholic when she's like i'll have the trout and then when she's writing down she's like you were a trout no i think of they catch trout on the fishing trip with i mean on the camping trip with meredith and they're like cutting it open and she's like really disgusted by it she was a trout so she takes a clown of pin and goes to bed queen classic yeah are you ready for our next story our fourth story

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Our next story, the Sunday Times finds themselves in another little muck rating scandal again because Sophie Turner.

Oh my god, I didn't realize that this was the same publication as Ballerini Licious.

Same publication as Ballerini Licious, because there's all these headlines today about Sophie Turner admitting that it's a struggle being a single mother and finding strength amid her divorce from Joe Jonas.

So all of this comes from an interview that Sophie Turner did with the Sunday Times in promotion of her new show, Joan, where she is not playing Joan Rivers, but she is

playing Joan Hannington, a real-life diamond thief known as the godmother who took dressing up as seriously as her criminal career.

So she's obviously like on this, you know, PR swirl for her new show in the UK.

Yeah, her new show, Joan, period, e-piece, like serious, you know, classic Sophie stuff.

In the interview, she talks about Joan being a single mother.

And this is what she said, these are the quotes.

She said, the show, the author says, the show's beating heart is Joan's fight to get her young daughter back home.

Sophie said, quote, if I hadn't been a mother, I don't know if I would have been able to bring the same energy that I did into it, Turner says, adding that she hopes single mothers watch the series.

Quote, it's such a struggle being a single mother.

Joan doesn't go about it in the best way, but it is amazing to see her really fighting for her daughter.

It's also really important for kids to see just how hard parents work for them, end quote.

Now, the headline of this Sunday Times article is, Sophie Turner, quote, being a single mother is a struggle.

Now, that is so duplicitous.

Right.

People magazine, Sophie Turner, admits it's a struggle being a single mother.

Page six, Sophie Turner discusses being a single mother.

So, so much so that Sophie Turner put out a statement this morning saying, I have been widely misquoted today in publications where I have, quote, stated that, quote, it's such a struggle being a single mother.

I'd like to clarify that I was talking about the character of Joan that I play and was not referring to myself, which is obvious from the original interview in the Sunday Times culture section.

I am very fortunate personally to have a lot of help around me, which is not the case for a lot of people.

I applaud all single mothers doing it alone.

Okay.

Like if you just read literally what she said, I feel like people say that all the time.

People who aren't single mothers, they say, oh, single mothers are heroes.

That's not you putting yourself in the role of a single mother.

And Sophie Turner, I don't think would describe herself as a single mother.

She has an active father.

Yeah.

In her, like, yeah, she's divorced, but that doesn't make you a single mom.

No, not necessarily.

So I didn't think she was saying that.

She wasn't saying that.

And like, this is so low and really disgraceful.

And I feel like this probably gave her a lot of anxiety because like her as a parent and and then like her whole divorce like was a subject for media fodder for like a couple of months.

And I feel like it's really slowed down and they have gotten to a place of peace.

Their divorce was finalized.

They obviously came to an agreement of some sorts.

So for this to like come back up, it looks like, yeah, like Joe doesn't do anything.

I'm a single mom.

Right.

Right.

So annoying.

So annoying.

I can't believe like that's what they took away from this and that they would make that the headline.

It's not even just other publications like grab holding on to that quote.

It's like that the Sunday Times, she gave them her time and this is what they chose to pluck from it.

No, and this is how it works.

Like the Sunday Times puts out a headline and then it's called like the wire.

It gets put out on the wire and all these different publications just pick it up because it's already been written by the Sunday Times.

Right, but sometimes it could be the secondary source that goes in and finds that quote and blows it up.

The fact that it was the actual interview that she sat for and that that is what they chose to focus on and sort of lead people to believe she meant is really low and dishonest.

And I and it's so obvious that she is what she meant.

I don't even need to believe her because it's so clear that's not what she meant.

She's talking about Joan.

The whole interview was talking about this lady, Joan, and she wasn't trying to say that she's a single mom.

Okay, totally separately.

But you know what?

This just reminded me of that I did want to get your take on?

Taylor not going to the game.

No, Chapel Roan not going to her performance.

Did you see?

She was supposed to perform at this festival.

And she released a statement saying that she's not going and giving her reasoning for it.

And I think this was like kind of like the final nail in the coffin for people, like, kind of like, yeah, your music's really good, but like, you kind of like are the worst.

And her statement was so like non,

it didn't explain.

I'm going to read it to you.

And you, she said, I all things go is the name of the festival.

And it was like, I think she canceled a couple of days before.

So people were already en route to see her.

And she was one of the biggest names there.

And people were really excited.

I apologize to people who have been waiting to see me in NYC and DC this weekend at All Things Go, but I am unable to perform.

Things have gotten overwhelming over the past few weeks and I'm really feeling it.

I feel pressures to prioritize a lot of things right now and I need a few days to prioritize my health.

I want to be present when I perform and give the best shows possible.

Thank you for understanding.

So

it's clear that the thing that's stopping her from performing is like she's gotten really famous and she's having a hard time dealing with it.

Not like an actual health issue.

Right.

I just want to say proudly, Chapel Roan is not my problem.

I did not platform Chapel Roan.

I didn't even listen to her music.

I feel like she's been constantly foisted upon me.

And so much of what I've seen from her before even hearing her music, which is a shame, because maybe if I heard her music first, I would have been able to enjoy it because it's like girly swirly pop music and it's and it's very good on a technical level.

But so much of what I've seen and heard from her preceding listening to this good music has absolutely made me dislike her.

So I never really had a fair shot at participating in her.

Like she's constantly like making like awful statements about

a myriad of things of course like israel um but beyond that she's

she's not like miserable like she's she's everything that i'm saying that i don't like in

a

singer or a personality and so whenever she's doing all these things like i feel so proud to say like i did not contribute to like bringing her into this fold so like she's seriously not my problem every time she like does something or says something people are like you have to talk about chapel row and like i don't even listen to chapel row and why do i have to talk about about her?

Well, I actually listened to her and it is such a shame that she like is the way that she is because yes, two things can be true.

I think in order to, at least for me, in order to enjoy her music, like you really have to separate the art from the artist.

Like two things can be true.

Her music is very good.

She as a person like seems miserable.

And I actually think that maybe she's not cut out for this line of work because I think there are a lot of people who would kill to be in the position that she's in and do things completely differently, not, you know, isolate her fans and come off entitled.

And I think that there's a conversation being had right now where it's like, for so long we've said that like we treat the women in pop like so poorly, like let them live, let them, you know, there are unfair standards being put on them and unfair pressures.

And, but then it's also, so you can apply that here to Chapel Rome, but you can also see it from a much more like, I think, real point of view, where it's like, just be grateful.

And

also

grow up.

Things are hard sometimes.

Work is hard sometimes.

There's pressures.

We all experience different pressures.

whatever job you have from a coal miner to a stay-at-home mom, like there's pressure and you have to sometimes push through it.

Like right.

So other artists are chiming in.

And I actually saw John Summit, who's like on tour, made a video.

Okay.

He is like one of the, he's like one of the biggest DJs right now.

And he's like having a moment because he's dating Ashton Earl, Alex Earl's younger sister.

She's on the up.

She's so gorgeous.

She's like a college student.

So she's on the up and like her dating him, like it was revealed over the summer.

And it was just like really good for him, really good for her.

Just exciting things happening.

Really cute.

Cute.

And he was like, I want to, he made a TikTok like checking in.

Like, hey, I'm on tour.

Like, I hope everyone's doing well.

I, you know, I see a lot of people talking about, you know, artists canceling shows and I want to put my two cents in.

And he was basically like, we are so lucky to get to do what we do.

Like there are people who are working like 18-hour retail shifts.

Like, that's hard.

And yeah, there's pressures on our job that other people don't have, but at the end of the day, like, we are so lucky and just kind of like get over it, essentially.

And I thought that was like a really good take because I think that, you know, the younger generation is like very coding.

By the way, because who would even want to step in this?

I mean, I'll do it because I'll do it.

yeah we know but like what other up-and-coming artists like she really is like the next big thing and i feel like people give her so much like sensitivity and leeway and if she's saying she's struggling like oh you can't touch that um yeah but now knowing like these struggles are a lot to do with like fame or like you know the the pressure not concrete hard things hard things people deal with really hard things on a daily basis and like this is it's it's so soft well so now like viral moments are coming back back around.

Like Katy Perry in Rio finding out via text that her husband's divorcing her and then going on and performing one of the biggest shows of her career.

Like that was hard.

And then of course like I can do it with a broken heart.

Like we didn't know at the time because she just, you know, went to work and she has a very, you know, commendable work ethic, but like Taylor Swift, like going through like a huge heartbreak after a six-year relationship and still showing up for work every day with a smile on her face.

So like, you know, there are examples.

And maybe we don't know.

Maybe there's something monumental going on in Chappelle's life that we don't know about.

But the way it seems is like she said, like, I'm getting really famous.

I feel overwhelmed.

Like, I need a a minute.

And it's like.

And she seems like the type that if she were going through something, like, she would share.

She would slap it on everything, you know?

Yeah.

So she's kind of like getting in her own way.

And I think even people who are really big fans of her are being like, come on.

However, I think people who are really big fans of her, it's kind of what I'm saying about Ari.

It's like, if you love this person.

And you believe them and you give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm like, this is how she needs to operate in order to do her job.

She can only operate at this level.

If she books a show, it might not work out because she can't handle it.

Like, you need to love all of her and just be like, chap,

chap, take your time.

Okay.

Chap, know that if you're a Chappell Roan fan and you buy tickets to her show, like that show might not happen.

And like, that has to be okay with you.

So I think it's also like.

Knowing your faves and accepting them 360 for who they are, not just like the pieces that you like.

You can't just take her music and then like not want to.

And she's singing about these things too, right?

Her, her big feelings.

Like, and I don't mean that in a condescending way like she has big feelings and she's singing about them so you can't just like her feelings can't only work for you when it when it serves you and you can pop your pussy to it like you also need to like listen to her when she says that she can't handle it facts oh my god i agree with you like i think her fans and i wonder if like people who are before this like huge fans of her like holistically like everything that if this is disappointing for them or it's just like a part of the fandom.

Yeah.

But really interestingly enough is that they made fun of her on SNL this week.

It was like the premiere episode of SNL and Bowen Yang was like talking about how the pressures are too much while he was like in character.

And she's set to perform on SNL in a couple of weeks.

Like I wonder if she'll cancel that too.

Like I'm holding space for her to cancel.

And I feel like seeing it like that,

just accepting chap for who she is and early on.

It's actually really healthy mindset.

Like it is.

And don't get too attached to those tickets that you might have.

Right.

Don't book a flight yet.

Like wait till I would love to see an artist because I really can imagine the tour life and the performing life, like it being not for everyone.

Hard.

I would love to see an artist who just makes music.

Like

they love making music.

People love their music.

You shouldn't stop doing that, but you don't need to tour every album.

You don't need to go to these shows and go to the ends of the earth to like pick up fans as opposed to like people can listen to your music and support you in that way.

Yeah, you won't make as much money, but like you will have peace of mind.

That's what Louis Capaldi is doing now because his health has really suffered.

And as a Louis Capaldi fan,

as a Louis Capaldi fan, that that really works for me.

Like, I want Lewis to be well, and I also want to listen to his music.

So, like, put out whatever you want, whenever you want.

I expect that I won't see you live.

That's fine by me.

No, I think that's a really good,

like,

way of looking at it.

And I think a lot of artists come to that conclusion, unfortunately, in a really hard way.

Cause I think Justin Bieber had a similar experience where, like, it was a couple of tours where they got off, you know, started good, and then it was just too much for his health, for his mental health.

And I don't think he ever plans on touring again.

Like, I think he plans on like popping up and doing some live shows, like, sure, but like being on the road four months at a time away from your family, like, it's not for everyone.

And I think that's so normal.

And, like, it's not a normal way to live.

Right.

So, to be against it, that's and like to not have it work for you, that's fine.

And to not want to, like, push down whatever you're feeling just for the sake of the show, that's fine too.

Prioritize yourself, but you need to know that and you need to like not book shows because at the end of the day, like, people, you know, they hire tons of money spending plane tickets.

It's wrong, it's wrong.

Agreed.

However, at this point with Chapel, since she's a canceler, just get the refundable, buy the insurance on the plane tickets.

a thousand percent so yeah and probably if you don't tour your songs you're not gonna have as much success as you would have if you played them at rock and rio and whatnot um be okay with that and i think that's fine you'll still have success But you know what?

Then there are artists who don't tour in the traditional way, but they play huge festivals, like Lana Del Rey, right?

She's always playing these like 100,000 person festivals, but she doesn't have like tours, you know, every year and drops an album, then does a tour.

She does her own kind of thing.

And that's a way to do it too.

And I think Chappelle's an amazing live performer, but maybe she can't handle that life.

So, she should follow like Lana Dober.

I think she performs like once or twice a week.

I think she should write her own ticket.

Maybe she does a concert special.

Maybe she does a video

concert.

Could be live with audience or not, where she just like does a direct-to-DVD sort of thing.

Love that.

Catch chap at your

Patreon.

Yeah, like

I'm into that.

Yeah.

And she seems like she's like talented enough

to be able to do something different like that.

I feel like some people have to follow the machine because the machine is their industry plans.

Like the machine is what's getting them where they're going.

They need it.

She does not, she is the machine for her.

It's true.

Those are my thoughts on Miss Chat.

Those are good thoughts.

Very healthy.

Our fifth and final story.

Some not so healthy news.

Kim Richards has had a confrontation with Kyle after her psych hold.

Her family is worried about her sobriety.

So Kim Richards Richards has been shut out by her entire family, TMZ has learned.

But it's a case of tough love because we're told she's fallen off the wagon and has and was placed on a psychiatric hold earlier this month.

But that hasn't ended the drama.

Law enforcement sources told TMZ they showed up at a home Kyle owns in the LA area Wednesday night after a neighbor called them in hopes of getting Kim removed from the house.

Apparently, the neighbors were concerned about Kim's behavior in the past.

TMZ has told Kyle had let Kim live in the house, but she moved out a while back.

But Wednesday, Kim showed up again.

Law enforcement says Kyle told them she did not want Kim in the house because the family had cut all contact off in hopes that it would shake Kim and get her sober again.

We're told cops explained to Kyle it was a civil matter and she'd have to file an eviction action.

So Kim remains in the house.

It gets even worse, law enforcement told TMZ back in early September.

Kim was at a Hilton hotel in the LA area and was incoherent.

Kyle was there.

The cops were called and when they arrived, they asked Kim to leave, but she refused.

Law enforcement told TMZ Kim was placed on a 5150 psychiatric hold and taken by ambulance to a hospital.

Oh, this is really sad.

I don't know if I like knew that she had struggled with her sobriety in this way.

And I feel like she was on a really good path.

I feel like we haven't heard about her and her sobriety in a couple of years.

Like, she was really doing well.

Yeah, she was on

the last season of Beverly Hills, just like seeing the sisters being sisterly.

And now that Kathy is in the fold, too, you actually really see how the three of them are sisters.

I feel like when it's just Kyle and Kim, like they're missing that.

You don't get it.

Yeah, they don't look alike, like, but all together, it was really sweet.

So for this to be the the next update is really sad, and I think that, like, this is probably one of the hardest things about dealing with someone who has addiction.

Like, when the family gets together to be like, listen, this person's going to come to us for help, and like, we can't give them money, we can't give them a place to stay because you need them to like hit rock bottom to have that realization that it's time to get sober.

And that must be really hard to like turn them away.

But Kim can't be, can't be deterred because she's staying in the house, right?

And then, also, to make it matters even worse, is that like there's celebrities.

This is public news.

Like, we're hearing that Kyle's trying to kick Kim out of her house to have her hit rock bottom.

Like it's very unfortunate.

It doesn't sound

a, it's not a good situation.

And it's just, I think that just compounds the issue because they have to do what they have to do, right?

But then like you read it and it's, it's harsh.

But that's what people do.

That's the, I think that's like the right, that's like the only way sometimes to get someone to see the light.

So sad.

Like Kim is a queen and I feel like she struggled so hard for so many years to get to a good place.

And I thought she really did.

I kind of forgot that she even struggled.

I'm like, she looked so, like she had it together.

And you'd love to see her back on the show.

It felt like this real full circle moment.

Like she really healed and she could come back and just have fun with the girls and her sisters.

And like this is really sad.

And the Richard sisters, when they have like, and they have a lot of issues, like whenever they do, it makes me so sad as a sister myself.

Yeah.

And I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm really thinking of them and Kim.

And I hope she gets the help that she needs.

And I'm sure her daughters are just like struggling majorly too with this.

And

you hate to see it.

You really do.

Yeah, it's very sad.

Well, that's like a great way to end the show.

Thanks so much for putting that at the fifth.

Should I put it the fourth?

I guess, yeah, we could have ended on our dissertation about chap and we would have ended with a little more spunk.

Maybe.

But would we have gotten to that level of spunk with that lull in between?

I don't know.

Maybe not.

Maybe we would have just been like depressed and ready to wrap up the show.

Yeah, and like you maybe not, actually, chap wasn't even a story.

You brought her up.

Yeah, you know what?

Because I wanted, I didn't know if you knew about what was going on with the Chronically Online, and I was curious if you had like a take on it.

And you know what?

You had a great take.

I'm so glad I brought it up.

I'm glad you brought it up too.

I'm glad that I got to flesh out my take because you every time i see it people send it to me i'm like this isn't not this girl's not my problem um but in talking it through i think we've ended in a really good place for chap and her future career and her fans and how to like hold space for her if you're a fan yeah i really think so i i do i do but anyways this wasn't going to be a story because it's like no news but what do you think about taylor not being at the games

it's definitely weird like two in a row although like she has tour coming up in like three months.

One thing about one thing about no, no.

Oh, we're going next week.

Like two weeks.

Sorry, I thought I was coming back up in in December, even though I'm going.

Back up shortly.

And one thing about them is like they play hard, but they work hard.

And like, she probably, she's never going to let like a man get in the way of, she's got to work.

So the timing is unfortunate given like, you know, the losses and then everyone talking about Travis's future.

But I don't think she's like not there for any reason other than the fact that she has to rehearse.

I think that if it were a better time in his career and whatnot, like she would have made it to a game, but it's better for her to not go to like

avoid blame.

To take blame, but also then people would say like he's focused on Taylor.

Like, I think it's actually better if she's not there right now, and she has a really good excuse.

However, I think if she wanted to be there, and like if it was the Super Bowl, she could have been there, she could have made it work.

But I think right now, like, the focus is on Travis on the field.

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