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Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy Friday.

Congrats to the grads who graduated the week.

Although, you know, definitely feel like we had a little extra help given the fact that it was a short week.

But again, beggars, we're not going to be choosers here.

A week is a week, no matter how you slice it.

Honestly, so true.

Things we did this week.

Things we did this week.

I love that.

Happy Friday to you, Jax.

Happy Friday to you, fa la la la la.

Turd.

Fa la la la la la la la la.

Oh, speaking of turd, this is just

go with it.

Yesterday, Jackie and I recorded a podcast episode for our Patreon.

So many people have been asking us if we're going to try out for Jeopardy Pop Culture Edition.

And we did like a full test trial hour-long episode seeing how much we truly know about pop culture, not just our niche of pop culture.

You guys forget there are corners of the culture we don't

wade into.

No, Marvel DC.

So we both tested out our trivia skills and our hosting skills.

And we had to come up with a name for what our team would be.

And there were some disagreements between Jackie and I.

I won't spoil the episode, but I thought of one this morning.

Okay.

Like it was right in front of us.

Okay.

Jepperti Lou.

Japurdi Lou.

Japirdi Lou.

I love it.

I love it.

I still like Latour de Jepp,

but at least we have options.

Maybe the producer is a little bit more.

Latour de Jeppe is like a little too inner circle, you know?

Japardy Lou is also?

No, but at least the word Jeopardy is in the title.

Jeopardy.

Jeopardy.

Also, it was just a fun episode.

A lot of pop culture, if you like that sort of thing.

A lot of Jackson Claude, if you like that sort of thing.

If you like that sort of thing.

And the girls were girling.

So if you're looking for more content today or this weekend, whenever, we've got you.

Let me tell you how lit up I am for today's episode.

One, it's Friday.

So we're just coming into this already with a leg up because we're just in good moods, you know?

Correct.

Two, last day was a season finale of Summerhouse Check-in.

I both watched it.

I have so many thoughts there.

It's like killing me not to just get into it right now.

I feel angry.

No, like I was feeling feelings, pits, sadness, anger.

So excited to break it all down today.

And then we also have Queenie and Weenie of the Week, which we literally forgot to do last week.

But last Friday, if you remember, was the Craig 20 episode.

We had so much business to get to.

Of course, we forgot Queenie and Weenie.

Like, it just fell off.

But we're back.

Queenie and Weenie's not going anywhere.

We are back.

We are back.

I think Queenie and Weenie this week is really easy.

Mm-hmm.

So we'll get there when we get there.

Also, we need to give an update because yesterday's episode ended really crazily.

We got this deer toaster submission about the pregnant woman who tested positive for chlamydia and was questioning her husband.

We heard back from her that she got retested and she was negative, and her husband was negative, and it was, you know, a fuck-up at the doctor's office.

And so many people had chimed off, chimed in in the comments and just like DMing me, being like, Tell the girl, tell the girl.

Apparently, this happens quite a bit.

And in a situation like this, that's you know, kind of questionable, you should always get a second test.

One, things can get mixed up in the lab, and two, there are false positives.

Right.

So, all's to say,

one less thing to worry about.

TGFT.

Thank God for that.

Yeah.

So a little bit of happy news to kick off the episode.

That's

going to all be for me.

And it's going to be a good thing.

Going to the weekend very much having that off our shoulders because that was a burden on all of us.

I think we wanted to, you know, wrap our arms around our fellow toaster.

As we always do.

You got big plans for the weekend, Jax?

What are my plans?

I actually have big plans for today.

I'm doing something so fun,

but something so like low-key, classic, normal.

I'm going shopping with friends.

Oh, friends?

Is Mary Orton in town?

Mary Orton's not in town, but I'm going shopping with my friends.

Actually,

you are involved in this story, so we can send her you guys out.

Oh my God.

Because a few months ago, my friend, she's a Patreon member because she's a good friend, she was watching the vlog of You in My Closet for St.

Bart's, which is an amazing vlog on our Patreon.

Like, join Patreon for that.

And she was saying that she's like, she loves my closet she's so impressed like by how many things I have and how like I really invest in certain things and I'll have them forever and it's her dream to go shopping with me so like I can help like curate a closet for her and I love like helping people get dressed I love shopping and it's spending other people's money and it's it's fun if I'm shopping for me it's fun if I'm shopping for someone else this is a great way for me to like use my addiction in a positive way.

Flex your muscles.

So we've been meaning to go shopping together for a minute now and like today's the day and I'm really excited.

Of course, I'll be, you know, scanning, browsing for myself, but I'm really there to help her shop and it's just going to be like a fun afternoon inspired by the Patreon.

Oh, thank you for involving me in the story because you know how it triggers me to hear you have friends and plans without me.

So that's big of you.

I appreciate that.

And I wish you well on your journey.

I hope you guys have an amazing time and drink awesome shooters and just soak up each other's awesomeness.

But the thing about shopping, like it sounds so fun and glamorous.

Horrible.

And not to complain, but like it's so hard.

By the end of a shopping excursion, like it is cardio.

My aura ring, I don't have to plan a workout today.

Like, aura, I'm going shopping.

When you and I were talking earlier in the week, how we enjoy so many of the modern

conveniences.

Conveniences, but we also, you know, you're slow living, doing some things from the old school.

One thing I'll never give up is like the majority of my shopping for anything, whether it's home, clothing, furniture, being done online.

Like that is a modern convenience.

I honestly take for granted.

So I go back and forth and I'm in this vicious cycle where, of course, I order online.

I'm a modern woman.

But then I order things and they're either the wrong size or the wrong fit or I'm just like between styles.

I don't know what I want.

I want to go and see things, right?

And I'm

not like ordering online because I do not like returning and something has to be legit unwearable for me for me to return it.

And then even when I decide to return it, like it's going to sit in my foyer for three weeks before I make the moves and organize the pickup or take it to UPS.

So

I'm not the best with that.

And then it makes me want to go shopping and see what's out there.

So then I do that and then I try something on.

It's the wrong size, but they don't have one size smaller.

And I'm like, why wouldn't I just shop online where they have all the sizes?

Another problem is that it's a vicious cycle.

There's problems with both.

A problem I'm experiencing recently, because I think you and I, was it me and you or me and my friend Margo?

We've been talking about how, like, literally I leave the house without a wallet.

Like, all I have is my phone these days.

Cause what else do you need?

And like, I don't need to get robbed.

It's just my phone.

And buying things that, like, and when I go to Zara or

okay, pretty much only Zara, I always use Apple Pay.

And I don't try on.

I'm like, okay, it's down the street.

I'll just try it on at home and figure it out later.

And most of my returns are done by Ben because he's always like going places.

I'm like, okay, you're going to golf.

Do my returns first.

And when you pay with Apple Pay, you can't use the credit card, like the physical credit card.

So giving Ben my credit card, I need to give him my phone.

Oh.

Which I obviously wouldn't do.

So there's issues with both.

So that doesn't work.

So just if you're shopping and planning on making returns that you're actually, you know, hoping your husband will do, don't use Apple Pay, ladies.

Learn from my mistakes.

Good to know, but that's also why I'm dressed athletically today because like I am doing the hard work of shopping.

I need sneakers.

I need wick moisture wicking pants.

Moisture wicking pants for sure.

I didn't wear a sports bra because I want to try stuff on and I need to know how it's going to look.

So anyways, all to say, I have just a fun afternoon planned.

I am also having a fun afternoon.

I have been dying to get a facial from this place that like everyone goes to.

It's like so hard to get into.

I got one.

Today's the day.

So excited.

Dermaplane plane hydrofacial like the whole thing me

and then i'm being such an amazing wife this weekend not only am i picking ben up at the airport today um i'm also golfing with him tomorrow which i'm low-key excited about i just want to get tanned and maybe have a cocktail so i'm just kind of being like good wife energy this weekend that's the theme that's really sweet la yeah

i'm a nice girl when i want to be la la la la i also have some exciting weekend news not for this weekend but for next weekend if i may

what do you mean exciting weekend news you're about to find out because I'm doing a book signing.

Yes, I knew that.

And it is next Sunday.

It is in Coral Gables in Miami at Books and Books.

And it is going to be starting at 11.30 a.m.

And it is so much fun.

I'll put the link on my Instagram so you can get your ticket.

And your ticket is just a book, like the price of a book.

And you get a book and then you'll get it signed by Moiself.

Can I ask some questions about the book signing, some FAQs?

Sure.

Is this a child-friendly environment?

I know you sell children's books.

Yes, it's a children's book signing.

So bring your children.

There'll be other kids in line, hopefully, and everyone can play and be rowdy.

And a bookstore is a great place for kids to hang out.

And in order to attend, do I have to buy a ticket online at the link in your bio?

You do.

Okay.

And that ticket equals a book.

And that ticket equals a book.

It gets you a book.

So you can buy like two tickets if you want more than one book, however many books you want to buy and however many you want me to sign, get your ticks.

That is so exciting.

Well, maybe today you also need to buy something to wear to your big book signing.

Turdy, you're so right.

I have nothing to wear.

Nothing to wear.

So books and books in Coral Gables, Sunday, June 9th, 11.30 a.m.

See you there, South Florida Swirlies.

How exciting.

I might have to fly in for it.

And tickets are limited.

Like there's a finite number of books that are available.

So definitely get a ticket if you want to come.

And for sure, you should fly in for it.

For sure.

For sure.

I miss you.

I'm...

Oh, my God.

I miss you too.

There's actually something also really fun going on that day that you actually might want to fly in for.

I'll tell you offline.

Okay.

Entitled.

Family secrets.

Teaser.

Family secrets.

Teaser.

Spoiler.

I'm so ready to stop dilly dallying.

Like I got to get to Summerhouse.

Like my thoughts are oozing out of me.

Okay.

Just one more thing that I need to say because I feel like if I don't say it, then I don't get the full credit, which was that I made homemade French fries last night.

Did you see them?

I did.

They were so good, Claudia.

Like how different than an oride frozen bag?

Well, orida is so good.

The problem with orita is not about the quality or the taste.

Like they're so good.

But like I was making potatoes for dinner.

I was like, how can I elevate this experience?

I wasn't going into like the frozen bat.

Like I wasn't trying to make something like so

not healthy.

So I wanted to like make a healthy little tasty thing.

And it was so good.

You could like taste the freshness.

It was just potatoes, olive oil, salt, pepper, garlic powder.

And they were so good.

And I've never done something like that before.

And it was a lot easier than I thought it was going to be.

Let's go.

Let's go.

I'm telling you, sometimes it just feels right.

I feel that.

Let's go.

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Okay, our first story.

The stories are light celebrity fare today, everyone, so that,

you know, just know that.

Natalie Portman hangs out with Paul Mezcow during a London outing.

The two were spotted smoking cigarettes and hanging outside of a London bar on May 28th, more than two months after she finalized her divorce from her husband, Benjamin Millipide.

So on its face, you know, it could be a friendly cig break between the two smokers on set.

Yeah, and I actually feel like the amount of cigarette smokers is dwindling in the world due to, you know, more information about cigarettes and, of course, electric vapes.

And so I think perhaps this is just like a person you're smoking with by default, honestly.

But do you think that's how a great romance could start?

Yes.

And to be honest, and this is cutting off the heels of yesterday's dear toasters, like smoking is so personal.

And there's so many things in a relationship that smoking can affect like your breath primarily, especially if you're like early dating.

And a fellow smoker like wouldn't be bothered by yellow tar in your teeth and wouldn't be bothered by your hair smelling like cigarettes or your breath being kind of dry and funky.

So I think

in all these books that we read, it's like when these smells of cigarettes and pine, it's like a good thing.

Well, okay.

I think in other, in books when they are describing scent,

They're talking about like fragrances because fragrances use tobacco like but I don't think they're talking about like dirty cigarette breath I think they're talking about like nodes of tobacco in like an aftershave maybe it depends what kind of books you're reading like if you're going light yeah Colleen Hoover's not glorifying cigarette smoking, but like some of the, like the more literary and artists and writers, they love cigarettes.

They do.

They do.

It's kind of, it gets what gets the creative gears moving.

Yeah, it's so funny because you would think that they would be all like, no,

but they're kind of holding up the industry, the tobacco industry.

And I'm so glad we're talking about this because something I've recently noticed, and I will never forget that scene in Real House was at Beverly Hills when they took a trip to Dubai and Lisa got into a fight with so many of the women and like her and Ken Ken Lehman.

We see Lisa.

It was clearly like a moment that she didn't think was going to be filmed and she's smoking cigarettes.

And that was the first time I knew that she smoked cigarettes.

And it was this eye-opening moment for me where I'm like, somehow, the housewives, they're like, the only people who smoke cigarettes these days are like 50 years old.

Like I was...

Just sort of shocked by that.

And now I've noticed, I feel as though Countess Luann has gotten very comfortable sharing.

I know that she smokes cigarettes.

Like if you're paying a close enough attention, it's all over her social media these days.

I was thinking that yesterday.

Okay.

Like, why does it have to be some big secret?

That's what I'm saying.

I feel like it's not anymore.

Yeah.

Well,

anyways, do you think there's anything romantic between these two or just like people dreaming and too many people having watched the idea of you?

Yeah, the idea of you is definitely

sort of fogging everyone's windshield.

No, I don't think there's anything going on between them.

But like, if this was

a couple announcement, like I would, I could see it in two seconds.

Yeah, right.

But they're confirmed working on a project together?

Yeah.

They were hanging out outside of a London bar.

Hmm.

I guess they weren't like filming inside the bar.

They were out at a bar.

Oh, well, that changes things because if it was just a smoke break from work, this is a big nothing burger.

But again, you could just be hanging out with your coworkers because you're all in London together, you know?

Yeah, they were spotted on a friendly hangout at a cocktail bar in London during the outing.

The pair stood outside the speakeasy style lounge chatting and laughing as they smoked cigarettes.

They appear together for Variety's Actors on Actors series.

So it could be friendly.

It could be more.

It actually doesn't seem like a work thing.

I need to

just look one more time at these photos.

Like, what is the vibe, you know?

It could be

sexy.

No, it's not sexy, but it could be like cheeky.

It could be just like.

They're positive vibes.

There's laughter.

There's chat.

I'm literally wearing what Paul Mezcal is wearing in that photo.

I'm wearing it today.

Like a belt, trousers, and a white shirt.

Ooh, but the way his pants end, I don't think it's me.

I don't think it's me.

No, let me say something about this.

I'm so torn.

Paul Mezcal.

In that picture where you see the way his pants end from the side.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He looks like Ben Blatt.

He's looking.

Seriously, some of the most fugly pants I've seen

in my life.

Like they're balloon.

They're so unflattering.

And like a woman could just never.

That's like a really bad picture of the pants because when they're walking out of the bar, the pants look fine and normal.

Yeah.

But if I were interested, if I were her and like they were courting and I saw this picture of him from the side, like ick.

These pants are the definition of ick.

Like this is where the word ick was created.

Icky Paul's pants.

Aside from the 14-year age gap, which again doesn't bother me because he's 28 and can make his own decisions.

And his front elope is fully developed.

I think there's a lot of like fanfare around who Paul Mezcal dates, loves, you know, engages in intercourse with.

Like, he's a very

sort of sought-after person in that sense.

And he was engaged to

Phoebe Bridgers and like everyone was obsessed.

And then I think she like kind of cheated on him with that guy inside Netflix.

What's his name, Bo?

Bo Burnham.

Yeah.

And now they're not together anymore.

And I think a lot of people are still holding a candle for him and Daisy Edgar Jones, even though there's like literally nothing there.

They just worked together a lot and had great chemistry in that Hulu show.

So like, is this it?

Like we've just kind of been waiting.

I don't think this is it.

But I'm saying like, if this is it, that makes sense to me.

And I endorse these two.

I never thought of Natalie Portman as a smoker, but she would be.

Yeah.

And she's Israeli, right?

Oh, that's so true.

Israelis love a cigarette.

Yeah.

It's like, what's lung cancer?

There could be a bomb.

Right.

Enjoy your life.

Have a nice day.

Yeah.

Living in a war zone definitely puts life in perspective.

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Also, our next story is keeping in with this theme of older women and younger men on screen and off-screen.

Because did you see the trailer that dropped for this new Netflix movie called A Family Affair with Nicole Kidman, Zach Efron, and Joey King?

I did.

We need to talk about it.

Yes.

So Nicole Kidman and Zach Efron are an unexpected couple in a family affair, which is a new movie coming to Netflix.

So Joey King plays Nicole Kidman's daughter, and she also is the assistant to this Hollywood star, Zach Efron.

And Zach Efron and her mom start hooking up but like in a real way like they're falling in love and it's like the weirdest concept for a movie because it's like seems really cringe but these are all serious actors who signed on to this movie so it makes you think like it's a good one and it's really seems to be a love story between Nicole Kidman and Zach Efron which wasn't on my bingo card but now it is I was definitely shocked to see Nicole Kidman in there.

Like, you know, a silly Netflix movie is, Joey King is no stranger to that.

That's how she built her career.

I think we all know that we all remember where we were when we saw the the kissing booth.

Zach Efron's definitely in this like weird spiral time in his career.

I don't really understand like what's going on.

So him being cast in this, again, like not shocking.

Nicole Kidman is someone who's very selective with her roles.

She's not, you know, she doesn't need to take girls.

I think she takes them on because she believes in them.

So I think she's giving this movie a sense of credibility that I wasn't expecting.

I think all three of them are, but do you think that maybe she like saw Zach Efron was going to be in the movie?

And she was like, okay, I'll do it.

I'll kiss Zach Efron.

No.

That's like a fun way to just

have a little fun.

This is another duo that I didn't have on my mood board and wish list for celeb couples, but I'm loving.

I love Nicole Kidman.

Duh.

I love Zach Efron so much.

I think people know that about me, but just in case you don't, like, that's a fun fact about me.

I love him.

I think he's like, when people say celeb crush, like he still comes to mind.

Current Zach Efron or like Troy Bolton?

All of them.

I like Zach Efron in all forms.

But if you had to marry like Zach Efron from one movie, which character would it be?

For me, it's has always and will always be Harris Grey.

Of course.

Yes.

It's not going to be Troy Bolts when he's like 14.

No, but Greatest Show?

Yeah, Greatest Show, even though his character wasn't my favorite character and I don't think he got the greatest songs.

Oh, I don't disagree, except the very end where, you know, they kind of pass the torch from Hugh Jackman.

From now on.

But like the other side is like definitely a skip on the album for me.

And Rewrite the Stars like doesn't do for me what it does for other people.

I completely agree.

So what I think of Zach Efron, that's like not, that's my favorite movie, Greatest Showman, and he's in it, but like, that's not even what I love him so much from.

No, and I kind of could see these two having good chemistry because Zach Efron doesn't not remind me of Keith Urban, you know?

Yeah.

Short King.

Yeah, I really watched this trail.

I was like, oh my God, I can't believe this is something that's happening.

And I'll be watching.

And I want to say there's definitely a renaissance happening in the culture with Joey King.

She went to Cannes.

I don't know if you saw her look.

She looked so sick.

I did.

And she did.

And she was kind of, and it reminded me a little bit of Anne Hathaway, like using fashion to make some sort of comeback when it comes to like the general public, because there was like a deep hatred of Joey King, just sort of like internet.

Like we hate her for no reason.

She's a very, very nice girl.

She didn't do anything wrong.

She's a talented actress.

And so.

I think her wedding was really good for her like ability when it comes to like, you know, her Q score.

Her wedding was so high fashion and so rich and just so randomly like gorgeous.

And then her looks in Cannes.

I'm loving the Joey king renaissance and she's in that show it's a holocaust show that's we were the lucky ones um and it's gotten a lot of really positive reviews and that's a serious role perhaps there'll be some awards in her future she got nominated for an emmy for the act where she plays grb right and don't forget ramona and bezes

who could who would

And certainly I could never forget the kissing booth.

Like, seriously, I am who I am.

I know, but you love to slam the kissing booth.

I do.

It has its problems, but it introduced us to Jacob Alarty and it introduced me to that like brand of why.

It introduced the world actually.

It was the first sort of like young adult cult classic that Netflix released.

And then they did so many.

It invented No, like we wouldn't have Noah Centennio if we didn't have the kissing booth.

And he wasn't even in that movie, you know?

Donde Esta, Noah Centenio.

Donde Esta.

It's a great question.

I like him too.

Like

he's a Zach Efron.

Yeah.

I don't know what happened to him and like what went wrong in his like career slash like management because definitely was a fumble.

Like he was sort of on his way to being like

the biggest heartthrob of his generation.

Yeah.

Now when I think about him, I'm like, does he even exist?

Like, or am I just thinking of like Jacob Alordi and like Bryce Hall?

Excuse me?

Like Noah Centenio, he reminds me of, who was the guy that was dating Dixie?

Noah Beck.

Great call.

Noah Centenio is Noah Beck now.

Yeah.

I know that's what happened to him.

He changed his name.

Yeah.

Yeah.

and Noah Beck should star in one of those Netflix YA movies, like as an acting debut.

Claudia, I think that's where he went to become Noah Beck.

Oh, you think he got like a face transplant?

I think he just like changed his last name.

Like maybe his mom got remarried.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're the same for sure.

Okay.

This movie looks good.

Yeah, and it comes out June 28th.

So hopefully I'm still in Scotland.

See you never then.

Right.

Claudia, that's good for our family watching.

Actually, it might be like a little.

No.

No.

It's definitely not.

Okay, but I'm writing it down so that I things you want to watch.

Yeah, okay, things I want to watch coming up because, like, they keep announcing things that I just forget.

Celine Dion's Prime Video documentary.

I would like to see that as well.

I think that could be added to my list of great documentaries.

Okay, and then this is called A Family Affair.

There's good stuff coming out.

You're right.

A list is exactly what we needed at a moment like this.

This is always what we need, La.

So true.

Our next story.

Speaking of relationships, a no-age gap couple, Millie Bobby Brown and Jake Bon Jovi, are married.

So

John Bon Jovi shared the details that his son married Millie Bobby Brown.

And

that's exciting.

He was asked about his son getting married during an interview on BBC's The One Show.

He said the newlyweds are doing great.

They're absolutely fantastic.

It was a very small family wedding.

The bride looked gorgeous.

And Jake is as happy as can be.

Yeah, it's true.

No, so sweet.

So low-key.

I think these two are actually extremely well matched in so many different ways.

Like, obviously,

she's a star, and maybe you hadn't heard of this particular son, but like,

I think it's actually a perfect match.

I love it.

Yeah, how cute.

And they didn't confirm that they got married or anything.

It's all very low-key, which always gives

a bit more gravitas to a situation.

You know, it's like they're not doing it.

They have been wearing rings.

They're not doing it for the, for the lights.

For the people.

They're doing it for the love.

Yeah, no, it's nice.

She's like really grown up and she's literally married.

So feel old yet?

I know.

How old is she?

I'm trying to.

She's still really young to have gotten married, but she's like, you know, an adult.

And I think we all met her with her nosebleeding when she was what, like 11 or 12?

She was legit.

I think her name was 11.

I think she was 11.

Now I think she's like 20 or 21.

She's 20.

So crazy.

Can't even drink at your own wedding.

Well, actually, they probably got married abroad.

She's British.

Yeah.

So cheers.

Cheers, Mazzle.

Congrats, grads.

Congrats to the grads.

Are you ready for our next story?

What number?

Number four.

You're ready.

Is number five Summerhouse Reunion?

No.

Then no, I'm not ready.

Okay.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Then I am ready.

Number four, a bit of Kardashians news that's come out from this episode that's making waves is that Kylie has addressed her Jordan Woods friendship with Chloe on the Kardashians.

Sorry, this is such a divisive issue.

She spoke to Chloe about her friendship with Jordan.

Right.

That's more clear.

Kylie talked about the state of her relationship with her former best friend after she was involved with Tristan Thompson.

So on Thursday's episode of The Kardashians on Hulu, Kylie and Chloe talk about their status with Jordan four years after the scandal.

During the conversation, Kylie spoke to her older sister about the time she spent with her BFF during Paris Fashion Week in January.

Former BFF, sorry.

She said, I saw Jordan again in Paris.

It was fun.

I think we have a lot more healthy distance in the relationship.

Now it's like we talk once a month.

She also said that she's happy that she felt the chatter had faded.

She said, I think what I do love now is that the narrative about us online is over.

Like when we were seen leaving that restaurant, it was the story for the day or two days, whatever.

And now it's over.

People know that we're cool and no one's talking about it anymore.

I mean, personally, I'm so over this, but I imagine for them, like, it's not.

It's literally like their Roman Empire.

Jordan, like her entire life changed in a day.

Chloe's man betrayed her.

Kylie lost a best friend.

Like, I understand why they're like, like, still talking about it.

From an entertainer, like, I really don't care anymore.

No, but it really is, is and was like such a divisive issue.

It was.

I also feel like it's exactly like Kylie said.

Like, once we knew that they were speaking and friends and they had gone to dinner, that sort of like dispelled everything.

And then, so if they're seen here or there, they make a TikTok, it's like, well, great, they're friends.

Yeah.

And that was one of the sadder outcomes from the situation, but one of them, you know, that happens.

And I'm glad that it can get back on good footing.

And also what Kylie was saying, which is that I feel like people don't give Chloe credit for, but that Chloe has always been steadfast about, is like, be friends with Jordan.

Like, do what's best for you.

Like, I don't want this to impact your life negatively.

Like, if you want to be friends with Jordan like that, I love that for you.

do what makes you happy.

And I think she's always said that and always really meant it.

And I don't think she gets credit for that.

She kind of gets the opposite where it seems like she was like dragging Jordan.

No, they get a lot of flack for how they handled that because like Jordan was sort of like on this island alone getting dragged through the mud.

And she was a guilty party, but so was Tristan.

And like Tristan never really got that sort of treatment um which is a fair argument to make but I don't think it was the girls is doing like that one video that came and posted on snapchat like Kylie got mad at and they deleted like I think that it was just like a byproduct of the situation and the culture and like you know obviously everyone's gonna like clown on the girl

leaving Jordan alone I feel like Tristan got

like people would go to his games and boo like yeah but like that was after like so many things it wasn't just

but I feel like Tristan like perpetually lives in the doghouse Like maybe now he's coming out, but like still not.

He's Tristan third trimester Thompson.

Like

it's really hard for him, but that's where he was before.

So like he just stayed there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And anyways, I'm glad that they're moving forward positively, but I really do think Chloe is so graceful.

And she like, she also, she never really like lashed out

negatively publicly.

Like she had that screaming phone call in Hot Springs, but like that's in her home.

To me, the craziest thing that came out of this episode wasn't this.

It was the conversation that I think it was between Simon and Courtney, where Courtney was talking about that phone call she had last year with Kim, where they were like really in a heated argument.

And Courtney had no idea until afterwards that it was being filmed.

And when she found out, she asked that it not be put in.

And of course, it ended up in because it was like entertaining or whatever.

I thought that was extremely telling.

Yeah.

Me too.

One, if you're not.

I feel like not enough people are talking about that.

I've seen headlines about it.

And I feel like if you're on a phone call and like, you should know that you're being

honestly you know who's probably eating that up

tailor tailored yeah like kim's favorite thing recording phone calls totally one i feel like courtney handled herself so well in that ever conversation and now knowing that was not her you know acting any sort of way for the cameras that was exactly and now you look like kim knew she was being filmed and that's what she said courtney didn't know she was being filmed and that's how she said slash acted i just feel like it's very interesting yeah and i understand like putting it on the show for entertainment value but if if they didn't put it on, like we would never have known about it.

So it's not like we're missing something that we don't know about.

I also just think that the, or I thought that the girls were at a point, and they're all ex-executive producers of the show.

They were at a point where like if there was something one of them didn't want in the show, they don't have to like bleed out for the show anymore.

It's not like they're so desperate.

I don't think that's not that type of show.

No, I think it's Courtney saying I don't want it on and Kim saying I do, not like a hulu thing like you have to.

For sure, that's what I'm saying.

Like they have final say on what goes in and what goes out.

So the fact that Kim is still throwing things in, we're like, there was a time when, yeah, we had to just be totally vulnerable, honest, throw all this shit because we were trying to, you know, be that.

But the show hasn't been that for a while.

The girls haven't needed to act like that for a while.

So I thought it was very like out of character and just not what I had thought that Kim would be doing.

I actually think the show.

Not to say it was right to put it in, but I think the show needs stuff like that.

Otherwise, it's just a commercial for Skims and Good American and Kylie Cosmetics.

Every episode is an info

safely.

Again, I started when I went to watch the first episode of this season.

I'm watching for like 10 minutes and I'm like, I feel like I've seen this before.

Maybe I saw it on Kim's story or something.

And I realized I was in last season.

Oh, and it's like Chris is in her kitchen cleaning with Safely.

And Trison's like, want me to do that for you?

Like, everything is an ad.

So you just have to, which is fine, but you have to balance it

with like good organic content.

So they

kind of do still need to be doing things like that, or else the show is just like commercial.

Yeah.

So yeah, all's to say.

all's to say, and our fifth and final story.

Are you ready for it?

I don't have to be like, we still have Summerhouse and Queenie and Weenie.

I feel the same.

Um, some a lot of relationship news today, but a couple that I always forget are together, just got married, and I'm reminded of how cute they are.

Yellowstone co-stars Hathy Harrison and Ryan Bingham are married, so they are both on Yellowstone.

They play a couple on Yellowstone, and now they are married.

And we had reported that they were engaged and together, but I forgot again but the wedding was literally gorgeous like Yellowstone come to life.

Yeah, what they're like walking the walk.

Yeah, they live that life.

I think he's like a real cowboy.

Yeah, and I wonder if them get their characters getting together on the show was because they're together in real life.

Like I wonder if the story would have gone that way because at first she was with the old guy

and I liked them.

Me too.

And I thought it was actually a little weird that she wound up going for a guitar man.

Yeah, I don't think that they did that just because they were dating in in real life.

I feel like that happens all the time where people on a show are dating, but on the show, they're dating like another castmate.

I don't think it's.

Yes, yes, but it's like it wouldn't be Jeremy.

It's not important to the storyline who she's dating.

And it's like, if her man's is on set, she's going to watch it, he's going to watch her kiss this old guy all day.

That's literally the life, Jackie.

We're always talking about it.

It's so, I know, but I just feel like in this set,

it doesn't have to be that way.

And it wasn't.

Yeah, yeah.

They're so cute.

Like, the wedding was really gorgeous, like, very chic elegans, but also rustic.

and

i mean we just get we get nothing from this cast like in terms of

off

air anything and they've been off air for so long that we're just like so desperate at this point i am and i think i said this the last time we brought up kevin cost or whatever like i am getting over it i can feel myself caring less and less about these people except for rip obviously um

and that's not good for anyone yeah Well,

the wedding was beautiful.

I hope this brings the cast together.

Nothing good.

Love story.

She looked amazing.

Our wedding was in vogue.

Do we know who was there from the cast?

I'm not seeing anything, but I feel like that might come out soon, like maybe some videos and stuff.

I hope there were some cast members there.

I just feel like Kevin Costner definitely wasn't there.

Perhaps not, but maybe.

He doesn't seem like that type of coworker.

Like we need some of the bunkhouse guys.

Of course.

So cute.

So cute.

So happy for them.

They both look so different in real life than they do.

That's the thing about Yellowstone.

It's a show where like everybody's really in costume that people look so different.

Like I wouldn't have recognized the girl like on the street from Yellowstone.

She looks so gorgeous.

I love her.

I love her look.

Me too.

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okay what first Summer house.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Summer.

Summer, summer.

That last scene did not disappoint.

I find a lot of the times with Bravo, like every season we like know about this big moment and we're like waiting for it.

And when it comes, it's a little bit anticlimactic.

This one was like better than I ever imagined.

It was so layered and I found myself like re-watching parts.

And Carl and Lindsay are no stranger to like low blows, but I found that Carl said.

Some of the craziest shit to Lindsay, like when he literally had the absolute audacity on camera to say, I feel like you want me to relapse so that you can control me.

What a disgusting thing to think of your partner.

And that's obviously not true.

So you think that, like, why are you with this person?

Like, why have you been with this person?

Right.

And what was crazy about this is like, it didn't feel their relationship, like, didn't feel long in the tooth and that, like, this conversation was like overdue and calling it was overdue.

Like, I felt, and I feel like this might be where my take is like a little unpopular, but I felt like it was premature.

And I know everyone, especially the girls at the end, were like, he did you a favor.

You guys shouldn't be together.

They've been fighting all summer.

And at the end of the day, that is true because the fact that Carl would just pull the plug before doing the hard work means that like he's not ready for this.

It would have gotten worse.

But the thing is, like they were fighting all summer because he was picking fights all summer.

Because I think he wanted to back out because I think he's not a whole man and he's not a whole person.

And he like got in over his head and isn't ready for the things that he said he was ready for, isn't ready for like.

marriage and fatherhood, isn't ready for a career, isn't ready to make hard choices, isn't ready to do hard work.

And so that's why he's not the man for Lindsay.

But like, if he decided to be ready and do that work, like I think that they could have made it work.

And I feel like that's what Lindsay says too.

Like, yes, this would have been hard work.

And they've been fighting all summer about his job situation.

But like, if he got to work, get a job.

If he got a job, then like that.

is out of the equation.

And then what are we fighting about?

So I kind of agreed with Lindsay where it's like, there's 15 things we can do before we decide not to have this wedding.

And yes, their relationship looked miserable all summer because they were fighting all summer because he kept wanting to fight all summer because he was wanting to pull out because he is like a scared little boy and he made this a self-fulfilling prophecy whereas like last summer they were so in love and what i think is germane to what i'm saying is the fact that they've known each other for eight years and it's like right even if you're having a hard time in the romantic department if you are friends that is the best foundation for a marriage and a family and like even when things are getting like in the bedroom if they're having issues like but we're friends and we get along and like let's go back to that for a second and I feel like they had so many of the tools what they didn't have was a whole Carl and that's why it doesn't work but Lindsay wasn't wrong for wanting to make it work and like seeing what they

seeing what they do have and being like I can work with this The thing is, is that I so understood Lindsay's frustration because these aren't 25 year olds.

Lindsay is what, 30

years ago.

I want to know exactly how old she is because it's also important to this conversation.

Lindsay is who she is.

These aren't young people who are going to grow together and become who they are.

She is who she is.

You knew who she was when you literally decided to start dating her after knowing her for seven years.

To then pitch a fight about the way she is.

Like, she's obviously like this sort of tough love bitch.

She's not this like soft, I need a sensitive hug.

That would seriously be like Ben saying that to me.

I so resonated with Lindsay.

I'm the same way.

Like I'm very tough.

Like hard truths.

That's the best way to learn.

Solution oriented.

And so for him to just like show up one day and be like, I don't like who you are at your core.

To me, that was obviously not how he felt.

That was him trying to get sketch out of the relationship.

And he's been trying to do that from the very beginning.

And you could see at the end when he's talking to a producer, he's like, well, she's going to be the victim and I'm going to be the villain.

You just broke up with your fiancé, like a life-altering moment.

And you're sitting here thinking about how it's going to come off on camera.

Maybe that's a thought you could have the next day, but still in the apartment and you're thinking that.

And I think it's so fucked up when you think about the plans he had to make to have this conversation on camera and film with Kyle.

He knew the fact that Kyle knew that this relationship was ending before Lindsay did is so fucked up.

And seriously, like the blind leading the blind.

Production too.

By the way, she's 37.

So not only.

But she is who she is.

She has been for a while.

Met her when she's about 30, when she is who she is.

It's not like in that time she's ever been anyone else and then she grew into someone different.

Like that.

And the thing is, when they started dating, like Carl had obviously obviously went this like went through this recent transition of you know losing his brother getting sober you know his identity with lover boy like he was obviously in this like transitional period and that's where like a woman like can help you and make you and that's what could have happened but I think Carl is so toxically like i need to do this on my own like having the idea of like lindsay who has success as a female business owner as an entrepreneur as an influencer having her help him was like so not okay with him and he's like he showed himself so much in that conversation.

When he went through the list of the ideas that Lindsay has shot down, I did not hear one idea that wasn't fucking stupid.

Right.

And it's cigars?

Acting?

You want support and you want a yes, man, but what if like all of your ideas are seriously the worst ideas ever?

Like even if you could argue like maybe she should be more supportive, but like what if your husband just has all bad ideas?

You're supposed to say yes to that?

No, no, seriously, like

I don't think anyone would have said like Lindsay should have been more supportive saying it when he was listing off those ideas, cigars, sober acting sports bar

thank you like no I think a good wife like tells you and and I'm sure like that's hard but life like when you're going through a transitional period like that it's hard and to have someone on your side who really is supporting you but is not going to tell you just what you want to hear is so valuable and the fact that Carl took it as like an offensive and not oh my god thank God and start acting seriously acting he's suicidal acting that you said I can't be an actor you said sober bar is bad correct correct correct jackie the scream i scrubed when he said actor no i'm i'm not okay also yes she was giving him like i don't even want to say tough love because she wasn't tough and i feel like the way that she communicated with him and the asking of questions just to like understand situations because this is going to be my husband and the father of my children like she was so patient with him so handling him with kid gloves like what do you want more than that like i'm gonna give you're gonna say the worst idea ever and you're gonna get a hug and a pat on the back back and what to go off and do it.

Like, this isn't fairyland.

And so I was so impressed by how patient she was with him when she didn't even need to be.

And then his complaint is that she's not soft enough.

I'm like, this girl is giving you runway.

No, and the way he kept saying words like soft and sensitive, like really trying to make her out to be this like evil monster bothered me so much.

Like, why does she have to be soft?

You're being an idiot.

Right.

And also, if you want someone to be soft in the relationship, it's like a yin and yang.

So, like, she would be like the soft and sensitive one.

And so, then, what, he would be like the strong and tough one.

But, like, he's not that.

He's soft and he's sensitive.

And so, if you have two people like that, it's just a puddle of mush.

Like, you need to balance each other out.

Like, if you really wanted a softy, like, what, they would just like hug all day and have bad ideas?

No, then you'll go nowhere.

The hug in that, in the kitchen.

Squeeze me harder.

Oh, my God.

Like, he's, he tried, it was so clear, like, in that moment, that everything he's been doing has really been to position himself as like, I'm this battered man and Lindsay's the villain.

And like, look, she won't even hug me.

And he, thank God he didn't go into acting because he sucks at it.

Everyone is seeing through his intentions all season long.

Like, I don't, I didn't see, I was reading the tweets.

People were being so funny on social media.

People were being so funny saying things.

I'm like, really, nobody is buying.

Even people who don't like Lindsay, nobody is buying what he's selling.

And I'm so glad because I think that, and I think a criticism so far has been like, how could Lindsay truly have been blindsided if they were fighting all summer long?

And like, yeah, you could say that, but if you really watch, like, you're right, like, she was never gonna give up.

Breaking up was never an option.

Like, yeah, we can have the worst of fights, but I'm in this for the long haul.

I'm like, we are going.

to get married and we will fight for each other.

We'll fight each other, but we are endgame.

Right.

And like, she's 37 years old.

Right.

She wants to have children.

This is her best friend.

Like, this is not all bad.

We only see

the fights.

But in hindsight, he was picking fights with her all summer to activate her so that she would have an explosive reaction that he could say, I can't be with you.

But she never gave him that because she is working on herself and she's trying to be a good partner and they're in couples therapy and she's learning how to communicate.

And so when he didn't get what he wanted that weekend, then the next weekend, we're going to do it again.

And the next weekend, I'm talking to Kyle.

And the next weekend, what about my cigars?

And like, she never once walked into his trap.

And so he had to be the one to pull the plug based on crumbs, nothing.

And we're seeing that.

My least favorite part of the episode, though, was like Danielle feeling like she had been right all along.

I think, like, no matter what happened between Carl and Lindsay, like, Danielle's behavior last season was so seriously that of an unwell person.

I don't think her, her whole concern the whole time was that they were moving too fast.

I don't think that they ended up not getting married because they moved too fast.

It's because Carl doesn't know who the fuck he is, and Lindsay does, and that threatens him.

Like, seriously, Danielle couldn't have been more wrong about everything.

Like, and them breaking up does not in any way make her behavior last season any less abhorrent and psychopathic.

right and when two people who are in their late 30s maybe carl's even 40 who have been best friend for eight years fall in love and want to get engaged a year later that's not too fast for me not at all

So I don't think the swiftness was the issue.

I think the issue is with Carl as a as a person.

And that's his core.

He's like a lost person and has absolutely nothing to do with his sobriety.

I actually think that that is one of the best things about him and something that he's actually done.

You know,

it's like an accomplishment.

And that is it like,

and so I has, I think it has nothing to do with that.

And then he always likes to throw her drinking in her face.

Oh, well, she could just go have it, down a drink and have a good time at the rest of the park.

And this is the most isolated I've ever been.

By the way, he just like went and took a piss, isolated he's ever been.

And by the way, not that she's downing and drinking, and that's why she's able to have fun.

It's called compartmentalizing, and that's what grown people do.

No, it's true.

And I actually, I think that

when I was watching them have two completely separate reactions after their fight, like he shut down and went inside and isolated himself, and she was able, and I don't think it has anything to do with liquor because something I really pride myself on is like when me and Ben are arguing, like, and I have to go somewhere, like, I'm gonna have the best time, and like, we'll handle it when I get home.

Ben, seriously, like, he can't, like, he cannot compartmentalize.

And it's something that we're different in, and it has nothing to do with drinking.

Nothing to do with drinking.

If anything, sometimes drinking can make you like wallowing your feelings worse.

Right.

It can make things worse.

It could also just like then make you more emotional.

And it just adds another layer.

So I just think like him throwing that, it's just like such a cheap shot and it didn't land for me.

I think Lindsay's drinking is not an issue.

Not at all.

I think maybe in the past you could have argued that.

I never saw those reasons, but these days, no.

No.

And back then, I think like it was seriously part of like being a reality star that's so toxic is like you feel the need to drink to do your job.

And I think she fell into that trope for a while.

And I've never thought she had a drinking problem.

I thought she was just a bad drunk.

Yeah.

Now, another part that everyone's talking about is that scene afterwards where they all meet up at Danielle's and like Amanda is feeling sort of like defensive of Carl and sort of admiring him for getting out of this relationship.

And I think people were speculating online that maybe she saw, you know, a little bit of herself in Carl and somebody getting out of a relationship, no matter how difficult and engaged, married, like it's not just a regular breakup.

Perhaps that was something she thought to be inspiring.

But people might have been looking too much into that.

No, I thought there was two things.

Like one is just like a friend of Kyle's, she was saying like Carl did the right thing.

He was like the right one in this situation for doing that because they needed to pull the plug on their relationship and in that argument like I disagree with her and ultimately Carl and Lindsay shouldn't be together because of Carl but like if Carl wanted to become a better man then they could be together but he no and Lindsay could help him and but he's unwilling to do that and he wants to blame everyone around him and so he's taking everything out on Lindsay and she doesn't deserve that which is why they shouldn't be together but like if Carl woke up one day and said I'm gonna act right they could be together no but the thing is and you saw it I think really when he was talking to his parents, how they were gassing him up so much.

And I don't think that they disliked Lindsey and just wanted it to be over for that reason.

I think that like they seriously and like think he's the greatest thing to ever walk the earth.

They have heard his tale of woe from his version of events and like they're gassing him up.

So I don't even see a world in which he would wake up one day and be like, I want to be, you know, the best version of myself.

Right.

So that's why they shouldn't be together.

But I didn't agree with Amanda.

But then also the other piece when she said like, he's so strong, I can never do that.

And it's like, she didn't do that.

And also, what's interesting is like watching this season, knowing that they don't end up together, because then everybody watches every fight and it's like, well, so good they didn't end up together.

But the season before Kyle and Amanda got married, they got married at the end of the summer, like was the same fighting every weekend, a very unhappy couple.

Maybe these two people shouldn't be together.

And if they had wound up not getting married, no one would have said they should have gotten married.

No, we would have watched back and been like, oh, wow, look at this.

Right.

But now we know that they did get get married.

So you assume like those fights, okay, they got past them.

Such an amazing point you're making.

And it's like, okay, there's things we don't know.

And we'll glaze over that because, you know, you're married.

I would actually argue that the season that

Amanda and Kyle got married, their fights were worse because they were about like bigger things.

At the end of the day, and this is why I think Lindsay was so blindsided, like what they were fighting about was Carl's career, which isn't something you break up over.

Right.

And like he could go and get a job tomorrow and then this fight

is taken out of the equation.

They can go back to fighting about whatever other regular stuff they fight about.

Ugh.

And the way he was just looking at her on that couch, like he hates her.

And you can see that reflected in some of the things that he said, like, you want me to relapse?

What an ugly thing to say.

You couldn't even conjure up something so mean to say about someone you even remotely liked.

And he's sitting there with just like devil eyes.

Like he hates this woman.

How did, like, what?

Why did he propose?

But there was a time when I think that he really felt that way.

And I think he just saw himself like

I think, I don't know, I think he was a happier person a year ago.

I think he was like newly sober, like newly sun life.

He had, he was working with Lubberboy, but it wasn't working out, but he was going to be going on to the next thing.

And like, he was in a really good car.

And then in the last year, like, things have gone downhill for him.

And instead of looking inward and being like, I'm not living up to my potential, what else has changed in the last year?

Lindsay, oh, it's you.

I don't like

you.

Lindsay has always been like one of the most polarizing people on the show.

And she was coming off of like a few bad years where like all the girls were against her, the audience was against her.

And so I think Carl really thought it was going to be easy for him to like, and the fact

that she came out seriously like the hero of this story, I think is really powerful when you look at how the odds were stacked against her.

And Carl really should have had an easy time making her the villain, but she so wasn't.

And as far as her saying she was blindsided, like she was completely blindsided by this decision.

As she said, it's two weeks of fighting.

You You don't like call off the rest of your future because you've had a hard two weeks or even like a not ideal summer.

As we saw with Kyle and Amanda, having a bad summer before your wedding can be par for the course, especially you're living in a share house with a bunch of other people weighing in on your relationship all the time.

Like that's a recipe for disaster.

No, and getting married is so stressful, even in like the most perfect relationships, like you're fighting.

Right.

So I think when Carl went into that conversation, he acts like, and I know he says it on the reunion too.

I went into that conversation to have a conversation.

I didn't have my mind made up.

I wanted to see how the conversation went and then we would take it from there.

But like Lindsay couldn't have responded to everything that he was saying like more

calmly and rationally and in a way of like, I want to work on things.

Like she did, she did not give him any reason to end things and still he ended things just to say like that conversation, he walked in like knowing he was going to end the relationship, which is premature to me and certainly blindsiding to her.

Yeah.

I, Stan, I can't wait for the reunion.

I

thought when they put the trailer for the reunion, obviously, like the obvious things that we're going to be talking about, I'm excited to hear.

But Paige and Danielle fighting, I'm obsessed.

I guess like Danielle watched and saw like Paige's snarky comments that are so on fucking point.

And they like that, I'm very much looking forward to hearing.

Yeah, no, it was hysterical.

Paige said like some really funny things that Danielle's obviously gonna be upset about.

Lindsay, you can have her back.

You can have her back.

We see what you were saying.

Yeah, no, like to me, that was the whole like season in a nutshell.

Yeah.

And I cannot wait.

And the girls look so gorgeous at the reunion, like everyone.

Yeah, I cannot wait for the reunion.

It was nice of them.

I also, I think this is like a year, not how long after, no, actually.

They wrap Labor Day.

They wrap.

And then when does the reunion film?

It filmed like two weeks ago, I think.

Oh,

so I am looking forward to actually hearing from Amanda, like what has gone on in their relationship?

Because yeah, we're judging something that happened last summer.

So what has happened since then?

With her and Kyle.

Yeah, like, you know, your husband called you a fucking bitch on TV, but that's a year ago.

Like a lot can happen since then.

And I'm curious what they've done.

I feel like this happens the last few seasons I've watched with them.

They have a bad summer and then they come on the reunion and they're like, things are good.

It's so true.

It's things are good.

We're understanding each other.

They don't get grilled at all.

They don't get grilled at all.

And then they go back into the house and their relationship is the same.

It's true.

They don't really get grilled ever

about not only their relationship, but like their place in the house.

Yeah, but like, how are you going to grill a married couple about their relationship?

Like, it's one, what are they going to give you?

They better give you nothing.

They're married.

And like, two, that's not your place.

Like, you're not a couple's counselor.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

But it ever stopped anyone from doing it to Carl and Lindsay, even when they were engaged.

I also forgot.

Telling them that they're wrong for each other and they don't like each other and they don't know how to communicate.

Meanwhile, Kyle called his wife a fucking bitch and you would never say those things to him.

No, and the thing is, is that I think that's been a huge argument with former castmates.

I don't know if Kyle is at all involved in production, but there's definitely like a hierarchy.

He's been there from the beginning and he helps cast the show.

And I feel like at one point he like, I think he like started the show.

I don't know what his role is, but you know, everyone gets their feet held to the fire except for him.

And I think that's been a huge issue.

Like I remember with the work is twins and then Hannah Berner, it's like, this isn't a leveled playing field.

And it's like, we're all bleeding out, getting our asses ripped.

and you act the worst and get the least amount of sort of accountability.

Yeah.

It's been a long-standing issue on the show.

I don't know exactly what it is, like what his role is in with the creators and producers of the show, but I feel like it's something.

Even the way that, you know, his brand, Danielle could only wish for such promotion for her app.

So true.

I also think it has to do with Andy.

I think in general, he goes easier on the guys.

I think he likes all the guys.

On Southern Charm, he's like so hard on the women.

Shep, Craig, Austin, Austin.

Hey, boys, what's up?

Yeah, like I think he just like likes the guys in general.

Same with every show.

Vanderpump rules.

Vanderpump rules.

Summer house, like he's easy on Kyle.

He's harder on Lindsay.

He's so, you know what I mean?

Like, I think he just likes the boys more.

And

it is very obvious.

I think some of the girls, like, he doesn't even know their names.

A thousand percent.

You can't tell me he knows Gabby's name.

You can't tell me he knows Gabby's name.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Also,

I just wanted to give a shout out to Sierra because I think she's setting such a good example

for women when she was talking about being in a relationship and how, why do people see that as like shackles or a bad thing?

Like, let's go to a game.

Let's go to a wedding.

Like, to me, it's so true.

Like relationships, especially like boyfriend, girlfriend is so fun.

And hookup culture, that's what's really not that fun.

Fraught with peril.

And just like you're in, like, you don't know how people feel and you're just on a stranger's whim.

And like, I'm not like bashing it at all, but I do feel like relationships get like the bad rap as being like some sort of ball and chain like no like stability that's fun no no having someone to go to all these things you have to go to with the good the fun stuff and the bad stuff with seriously is life alteringly fun partnership is fun I couldn't agree more I love that and I think like people who glamorize the the hooking up phase and then sort of dread the relationship phase, it's really just a sign of immaturity because once you get into a healthy relationship, you realize how much better it is than that, like you said, that sense of uneasiness.

Does he like me?

Like, it's horrible.

Yeah.

And so that is just her being like wise beyond her years and Wes.

And that's the thing with, even if when you date a guy the same age as you, they're so emotionally behind in terms of maturity.

That's why you have to date someone older.

Yeah.

I feel like maybe she could make him see that like this could be fun still.

That's not her job.

I don't know.

Like relationships, monogamy like gets like a bad rap.

Yeah.

But I think like being exclusive and being with someone that you really like and getting to do all your favorite things, but like with your favorite person, that sounds more fun than like waiting for a text.

Is he going to call me?

A thousand percent.

So just shout out to Sierra.

She deserves better.

She does.

But also like, I hope that she doesn't get feel pressured to like change her ways or, you know, maybe she feels like she's not like being modern.

But she's a scrupled woman.

I completely agree.

Nurse slash model.

Slash scrupled.

And I think that makes a really easy segue into our final segment of the week, which is every Friday, Jackie and I do Queenie and Weenie of the Week, where we bestow two honors, queenie and weenie of the week, to somebody who exhibited either weenie-like symptoms or queenie-like symptoms.

And I think we're both in agreement that our weenie of this week is one Carl Radke.

We are in agreement.

Try as you may, you will never be a lady.

And I did not like what you said about my friend.

I think you are.

Really manipulative and you have a lot of work to do on yourself, like for real.

Yeah, and you're allowed to end a relationship.

You're allowed to especially end a bad relationship, but you making the relationship bad so that you can end it while also trying to throw your partner under the bus.

And gaslight her.

Gaslight.

Like textbook.

Text.

Yeah.

Is extremely weeny behavior, and that's putting it mildly.

And then Queenie?

Lindsay Hubbard.

Of course.

Pinnacle of grace and patience.

And grace and strength and feeling.

And I never thought we would see that from Lindsay, anyone on this cast.

Yeah.

But really, Lindsay, I don't think a lot of people thought, like,

queenie-like behavior.

And then her showing up to the reunion, she looks so sick.

And she's at a new man.

She's a new time.

She looks her best because when they flash back to her engagement, I thought she looked so much younger this season.

So much, like her skin is glowing.

She has like a healthy glow.

She looks insane.

Insane.

I thought she looked amazing.

She looked amazing when she was crying at the girls' apartment.

Yeah, I think maybe she had just like went a little nuts with the filler last season and maybe got some of it dissolved or didn't re-up it because she looked so young and glowy and healthy this season.

And at the reunion, she looks so

like, I don't know, glowy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And she has one confessional look where she's wearing that like little yellow corset top and her hair is like a little flip

and she looks perfection.

Perfection.

And that's really the best revenge.

It's so true.

So that's a wrap on Summerhouse Reunion coming up next week.

Super excited for that.

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