No Necklace For You: Tuesday, May 28th, 2024

Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy Tuesday that feels like a Monday, but thankfully it's not a Monday because God is looking out for us.

So it's Tuesday.

Like, how great is that?

So great.

That's exactly how it feels, like a Monday, but then you take a second, realize it's a Tuesday and all's well.

And the whole world opens up.

Endless possibilities for joy and laughter.

And it's not just a Tuesday, it's a Tuesday.

Very cheru.

And what are you chewing on today, Turtle Lou?

I wish it was your sourdough because I heard you had such a revolutionary weekend with your sourdough.

And let me tell you, you came dressed today like a piece of sourdough.

Like this look is so, I make sourdough for my family.

I make sourdough successfully.

Yes, she has risen.

Since last time you guys saw me, I realized I baked four loaves of bread since Friday separate.

Okay, it's giving gluten.

It's giving gluten.

I made two rolls of sandwich bread, two sourdoughs, one sourdough that didn't rise, one sourdough that did.

And the thing is, like now that I've got it, it's over.

Got it.

Who needs bread?

Not me.

Really?

Even sourdough, which is like easier to digest, so it's meant to be healthy.

Oh, sorry, I was hyping you up.

I thought you meant, who needs bread like from the grocery store?

Not me.

No, oh, no, no, no.

I'm saying like, who needs a loaf of bread?

I'll bake you.

Oh, I would love one, ma'am.

I would love to bake you a loaf of sourdough.

So I'm still perfecting my course formula, but like the tweaks that I made, we are so on the right path.

Like I can always perfect and perfect, but like we have bread.

I had a slice of sourdough last night, a little butter, a little salt,

sourdough,

yummy, yummy.

Love that.

Love a jingle.

And let me just say, I think I speak for everyone listening to the show.

Like we are so happy for you.

How, like, isn't it the best feeling to like set your mind and just like fucking do it?

It really is the best feeling.

Halfway through the baking process, you have to like take the lid off so that the top of the crust can get golden brown.

And when I took the lid off, I saw it that it was red.

It was like the way I've never been so happy like screaming in my house.

You guys, she knew.

Like it was in that moment that she knew.

And I have to thank everyone for their support and their genuine interest in my journey.

Like I got so many messages from people being like, I've never been so invested in a stranger's loaf of bread.

Can I tell you something?

Yet here we are.

You know, making your own sourdough is definitely like a genre of content.

And I'm going to be honest and say like that content has never been for me.

It's not the place that I'm at yet in my life.

And you did it in such a way.

I was, Ben's like, what are you laughing at?

Giggling.

You were being so funny.

The bread lame?

The bread lame, muddle the tailor.

Right, no, no.

You were being so muddle.

Like, I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You were being so funny.

Like, not you making Fiddler on the roof references.

Like, it was honestly, it was content at its finest.

So thank you for that.

That's for the sourdough girlies, but the not sourdough girlies, too.

And just like,

she's getting emotional.

It's very emotional.

Thank you for your words of praise like that really mean so much.

I know, I know that on its face, like nobody wants to hear about Jackie's bread.

I wanted to say that actually, but continue.

But between the Patreon, which gave me so much encouragement, I realized like how many of us are on this journey and how many people were like, that was my first loaf.

Like you have to keep going.

And let me tell you the best piece of advice that I got.

And I think I saw it in Reels.

If you do a recipe and your bread comes out for cocktail, don't keep going to a different recipe.

Like, oh, I'm going to try this one next, this one next.

Figure out what it is about that recipe that didn't work for you.

Like keep tweaking the recipe.

There's not going to be one recipe on a food blog that's going to be perfect for your environment.

If it doesn't work, what was it?

Too sticky, too dry.

Like then think what you need to change for next time.

Don't keep recipe jumping.

I did have to jump from ballerina farm because like I thought we were way too far apart, which we were.

But shout out to Ballerina Farm because if it wasn't for her starter kit, I don't know where I would have started.

Like, yeah, now that I'm a professional, I could probably make my own dough and my own starter in my sleep.

Oh, but like, her pamphlet

in my sleep, but her pamphlet like really showed me the ropes.

So, I'm so grateful to her.

Like, I'm not gonna like bite the hand that fed no way, no hard.

Do you feel like we need to start like a starter company called The Toast?

Because I do.

So,

yeah, like we are in the bread business.

Correct.

We could start like a rehydrated starter company.

Just throwing it out there.

Called The Toast.

I'm going to wait till my starter gets more mature, but then, yeah, maybe I'll start selling my starter.

Maybe.

Maybe.

And what if you did?

What if?

You never know where life could take you.

Exactly.

Now, where did life take you over this long weekend?

It's been such.

a minute since we all podcasted together.

So much has happened.

I think we all forget the great roast of Fridays episode.

Like so much happened on Friday, then we just kind of like slid into the weekend.

But I did want to hop on here and say thank you to everyone for, you know, coming to our defense and just, you know, using code Craig20.

It means the world to my husband.

And I felt really, I felt really good after Friday's episode.

Like speaking truths is so important.

And I think we did just that.

Yeah, I think so too.

I think a lot of people are wondering if we have heard from anyone.

No, no.

No, it is what it is.

It is what it is.

We said what we said.

My window for receiving an apology has closed.

So I'm no longer open.

She's no longer open.

Okay, so we shall see.

The battle of the canned cocktails continues.

That it does.

That it does.

How was your weekend?

My weekend was kind of amazing.

A lot happened.

I sit here before you, a changed woman, in many, many ways.

The first, and I think the most obvious way that if you follow me on Instagram, you probably already know is that I've decided to take up golf.

And I've long been an advocate against golf and I think a lot of people are like, what the fuck?

But it was only a matter of time.

You know, it's a sport that doesn't require a lot of physical activity.

It occurs outside and it centers around, you know, lunch and alcohol.

Like, I think we all knew it was going to happen for me.

And the outfits like are part of like the culture and it's like super cute.

So yeah, I took two golf lessons.

I played two holes.

I loved it.

I had the best time.

And I'm probably going to do it again this weekend.

So I really don't know what to say.

I feel, I feel awkward, honestly.

I feel like, you know, golf, it's fun.

Hit the ball, have a drink, have a laugh.

But like, the 18 holes is where it gets crazy.

Like, that's too much of one thing.

So, on hole number two, the siren sounded because it was raining.

And, like, you can play, but if there's lightning, you have to get off the course.

So, that little siren.

And I'm not going to lie and say I wasn't like so happy that lunch was starting and I didn't have to play 16 more holes.

Were you planning on playing 18 holes?

I was like planning on seeing where the day took me.

Like, no, because Margaret was coming to meet us for pickleball.

So, like, I had a hard stop but it's definitely crazy like that first hole took it out of me

yeah i feel like it's actually so crazy when we like sit back and reflect on the sport of golf like it's so crazy that they're out there for 18 holes and like the women could never and would never like how are you just going to be at and it's all mostly grown men families wives like eight does it really have to be 18 holes and i've definitely gotten myself into some sort of situation because like nobody on the planet had a better weekend than my husband like his dream came true.

He's been asking me and I was hesitant to even admit to enjoying it because I didn't want to make him happy.

Like I'm a normal human being like that.

But we've always had this like general understanding, like, sure, wild out, but like when we have a family, like this sort of behavior is

just not like put your clubs in storage.

You're not golfing for the next five years.

And now I feel like maybe that I'm into it.

He thinks I'm reneging on that or like our plans have changed.

My plans have remained the same.

I think it could be the opposite where it's like, oh yeah, we both golf.

So if I'm not golfing, you're not golfing.

Yeah, or, or

you watch the children, I'm out.

You're going golfing.

Yeah, with the girls.

Claudia.

Turdy and the girls are hitting the links.

No, but I feel like this is actually so good.

Like, make him think like we're all golfing.

And then when you're not golfing, he shouldn't be golfing either.

Yeah.

I think that's better.

And I think the golf world was kind of waiting for me.

Like, they almost knew because the second I admitted, you know,

guiltily, like, I felt definitely awkward, like, admitted to golfing.

Oh, everyone wants a piece of turdy sponsorship sponsorship

titleist yeah no I already have my um like custom clubs it like they're being made and I you really yeah like from like the best company like out there that's what everyone

wants

and they also um I told Ben, I need a custom bag.

You know how the Kardashians like had like everyone's name?

I forget when they bought those houses in Palm Springs.

It was like a gift that Chris got everyone.

Yeah, I think it was like Christmas.

I need turdy on a bag.

Not to center myself, but like I kind of want custom clubs.

No, Jackie, I'm telling you.

Do you think they'd be interested?

I think they would.

Like, I think that, you know, there's a lot of opportunity here.

I'm surrounded by golf

in my everyday.

I actually never even thought to get clubs.

No, but Jackie, like.

Maybe if I had clubs, I would play.

And it's like, you don't even really have to play.

Just like being outside.

Like, I'm trying to get tan.

Like, I'm accomplishing a lot of things while I'm playing golf.

Like, quality time with my husband, we love.

Tanning, we love.

Getting some steps in, super important.

Like, I don't know.

It's checking a lot of of boxes for me.

I've, I've had a, I've done a complete 180.

That's so great.

That's so great.

Harmony in the software household.

Another major theme of my weekend was movies.

Ben and I, like, we just got into a groove where every night, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, we watched a movie that we hadn't seen.

And

the theme of the films, the genre was based on a true story because I didn't want to just like waste my time.

So Friday night, I watched Marie Antoinette, which I had never seen, the Kirsten Dunn's Sophia Coppola movie.

So good.

So good.

Loved every minute of it.

Like went down a rabbit hole like looking into Marie Antoinette.

Saturday night, we watched Woman in Gold, which I'd also never seen.

And I had so many thoughts.

What a crazy story about, you know, Nazi art thievery.

Very, you know, very important.

Ryan Reynolds was miscast.

Like the lawyer is supposed to be like this nerdy Jewish guy first of all.

Like Ryan Reynolds is a lot of things.

He ain't Jewish.

And slap on a pair of glasses.

He's still Ryan Reynolds.

They were trying to make him like nerdy.

Like his tie was loose and he wore glasses.

Like he's still like literally the least Jewish looking person on the planet.

Like

in no world would Ryan Reynolds ever be Jewish and in no world would ever like a lawyer, like a loser lawyer look like Ryan Reynolds.

Like it was too unbelievable and not in a good way, like as in not believable.

He borderline ruined the movie, but the story was so

fabulous and so worth telling that I was able to look past Ryan Reynolds miscast.

But also Helen Mirren is not a Jewess.

Helen Mirin is not a Jewess, but her being cast in important Jewish roles doesn't bother me because me neither.

No, I just want to say me neither.

I just obviously like have to hold space for both.

No, I just have to hold a mirror to what you just said because it's like a contradiction.

Yeah, technically.

Helen Miran also played Golda Mayer, the first female prime minister of Israel, in the film Golda, which I also saw, which was incredible.

Yeah, and then Ben and I, as we were watching, we were like googling because we're like Helen Mirren's Jewish, right?

She's just like always taking on these roles.

And I feel as though Helen Mirin is not Jewish.

That's definitely a fact.

But I feel as though Helen Mirin

wants to tell Jewish stories, you know?

Like it's important to her.

Like and then I went to her Instagram and she's posting about the hostages.

Like I'm gonna say this Helen Mirin is a queen and an ally.

And I'm not gonna clown on her for not being Jewish.

And she did the role justice.

Whereas I feel like Ryan Reynolds like seriously took away from the movie.

So it's case dependent.

It's not, you don't have to be Jewish to play Jewish parts.

No, and that's why like I'm not really that upset with

Mazel.

She did such a good job.

I thought she was Jewish for the first couple of years that show was on, you know?

I think she is.

Nope.

Rachel Broznihan is not Jewish.

Alex Bornstein is Jewish.

Jackie, I know this to be 100% fact, but please look it up.

But that's the thing.

You think she's Jewish.

She's doing such a good job.

I'll allow it.

Yeah.

If you're going to, you know, discredit, if you're going to distract, you have to get out of the film, Ryan Reynolds.

But if you're going to make me literally think you're Jewish, Helen Mir and Rachel Broznahan.

Yeah.

And are you going to confirm?

She is not Jewish.

So it's case dependent, yes.

Okay.

And then

last night, we were watching a movie and, you know, we all, we watched all these movies on Prime Video, which is a great platform because you can watch both my comedy specials there.

But I prefer to buy a movie on Prime as opposed to like iTunes or Apple TV, even though I have an Apple TV, because they have this fabulous feature.

Like, I don't know what, you know, AI

algorithm they use, but when they say customers also bought, like, that is, it's it's the best right place to find recommendations.

Like, I, if I'm in the mood to watch like a movie and I know the vibe of the movie I want to watch, I will go to Amazon, select that movie, and go to customers also watch because 10 out of 10, the movie I'm looking for is there.

So I helped them pick a movie and we were scrolling in Titanic, and Ben just happened to mention he'd never seen Titanic.

I was shocked.

Click.

It reminded me of the last time I had that.

When you know when you learn something new about your husband that like actually

like freaks you out that you didn't know that like something so

basic and elemental that was when I found out a couple years ago Ben had never seen my cousin Vinny

Yeah, I think Titanic is crazier because it was the biggest movie of its time like my cousin Vinny I guess was also big and also Oscar nominated but just feels a little more niche No, but but my cousin Vinny is like so Ben's personality, you know?

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Yeah, so we watched Titanic watched Titanic, which I'm so glad for for Ben, of course, but I think you needed a refresher too.

And I knew like when he said that, I knew that we were going to watch it and I knew I was going to go down a rabbit hole and I knew we were going to add it to to the list of things Jackie was on to before Turney was.

And oh my God, the movie really holds up in court.

Like really, that's some good shit.

Ben literally loved it.

First of all, he cried at the end when like they have like that scene where like

after everything happens, you know?

They're like the last scene of the movie where the boat is back and like she walks up the stairs and finds Jack and like everyone's watching.

But this morning I'm like, like we went to bed.

We didn't talk about the movie.

And this morning I'm doing my hair.

Ben sits down on the bed.

He gets out of the shower and he's like quiet.

And he's like, such a good movie.

Like, 12 hours later, I was like, no, I know.

So good.

Now, of course, everyone's sending me that.

Oh, sorry.

That's not why I brought up the movie.

I brought up the movie because I was sharing on my Instagram and everyone was like,

What did Ben think about Jack also fitting on the door?

Like my least favorite trope in like millennial meme culture is like there were room for two of them on the door.

And okay, so perhaps my least favorite thing, it's like one thing can be a joke from the movie, but like now the whole movie is distilled down to the door.

Like

it was funny for a second.

Like, can we move on?

Jackie, not even that.

Like, watch the movie.

They literally address it.

She gets on the door and then she tries to help him on the door.

And with both of them, it flips over.

Like, literally, it wasn't possible.

They tried.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now, Jackie, I then called to talk about Titanic, because who else do you call in a moment like that?

And Jackie shared so many interesting facts with me.

Some of them I had known, you know, the couple holding each other, Macy's, Jewish couple, they didn't want to get on the boats, yada, yada.

Two things she shared that really, really shook and and one borderline ruined the movie for me because part of oh part of the movie that's so infuriating is like the classes um classism

the the class system and the classism classism like okay it's life or death now and we're boarding lifeboats by how much money you have and then Rose's mom being like will the lifeboats be boarded deforting to class like Seriously shut the fuck up, lady.

And like how so much of it is like the wealthy people on the boats listening to the steerage the folks in steerage and like the third class passengers like literally drowning and freezing to death and also there's that scene in the movie where the gate is closed and they and it feels like they're being locked out and they're on the bottom level where it's flooded yeah yeah and you shared so i shared in the book that i read about the titanic is that the emergent the evacuation really wasn't based on class like a lot more um third-class passengers died for a couple of reasons.

One, there were more third class passengers in general.

So like the percentages are just, there's more.

And two, a lot of them were immigrants and didn't speak English.

And like there was already chaos and confusion on the boat.

And even English-speaking passengers like didn't understand or believe that the ship was sinking.

So then also, and more so in third class, like they didn't, the language barrier like stopped a lot of them from getting on the boats and understanding what was happening.

But they weren't barred from getting on the boats.

Okay, but there were like not enough boats for everyone.

Yes, at the end of the day, there wouldn't have been enough boats for all of the passengers, but even the boats that did go out, the lifeboats, they weren't filled to the brim because, like I said, like they were having a hard time getting people on the boats.

In the beginning, they did not believe that the ship was sinking.

Like you were kind of, if in the first few

tens of minutes, like you were getting on, like you were the conspiracy theorists that thought the ship was going down.

Like people were like, the ship is unsinkable.

It's not going down.

Right, right.

I mean, them calling it the unsinkable is like literally so crazy.

Oh, and then when that little French fuck with the mustache gets on the lifeboat after literally killing all these people, it's 100% his fault.

That was really tough.

That was really tough.

The good news is, is he lived a miserable life afterwards.

Good.

Because also a lot of like able-bodied men who did survive the Titanic, they were then like had a very unhappy life afterwards because people like would look at them and think like, why did you survive?

And not at all.

Women and children should have gone first.

And it was just, and in some respects, they're right, but there were also open spaces.

Right, right.

So, I mean, in an emergency environment like that, like where it's absolute chaos, like it happened I told you also the length

was the second fact that Jackie shared with me that really shook me to my core from the time that the ship hit the iceberg to when it fully sunk fully sunk is the exact length of the movie like the scene where the boat is flooding is the exact length of time that like the boat flooded it took for the boat to go down but also remember it hit the iceberg and then it was like oh that was weird yeah no and then it's like flooding in one part and it's a very big boat it takes a while to flood so like all of this chaos is happening and of course now we can sit here and be like well the men should have done this and they should have gone, you know, everyone up on the deck.

But like it was just a chaotic environment where also a lot of people weren't believing what was happening.

Now, Victor Garber slayed the house down, boots.

And there's an interesting moment where, you know, Rose is running around with Jack, like trying to get off the boat, and she runs into Victor Garber.

And like literally an hour before.

Victor Garber knows the boat is about to sink.

Nobody else knows.

And the first person he tells is Rose.

The fact that she was still on the boat when she was the first person to know that shit was going down, unexcusable.

Unexcusable.

What, you You think she should have just jumped ship, literally?

She was on a lifeboat and she jumps off, even though Jack was safe.

Like after she unhushed, she wasn't.

She also wanted to help other people.

She didn't help a single person in the movie except herself.

She didn't.

Okay.

Yeah, she should have.

I mean, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of what happened in real life, but like she should have run down to Jack's friends in steerage and been like, hey, get up on deck.

Right, right.

Ugh, and that shit

fiancé.

Now, I have seen, I had seen Titanic before, but of course, like the intricacies and different facts, like, didn't,

uh, I didn't remember.

But I had seen this musical that's being, it's like an off-Broadway musical that's really, really popular in the city.

I feel like it's gonna end up on Broadway.

It's called Titanique.

And it's like, if Celine Dion was on the Titanic, but they, they, it's like the movie too, and they use all the characters, and there's so many like funny jokes about the fiancé because the fiancé was definitely giving, like, in the movie, like

gay.

He was, like, so, so like

gay for sure and in the musical they make it like a whole thing he's like played by a gay guy and it's so funny and then it reminded me like he really does give gay energy in the in the yeah especially because like there's no love between him and rose he kind of doesn't care but he just wants like self he just cares about how it looks like to society yeah but like it's not like he loves her no

not at all um so really good rabbit hole to go down and then there's actually a new titanic is in the news again yes that's a story today because you watched Titanic last night I mean typically I would have just sat with it by myself but because you care today yeah and there's a story today it of course is our fifth and final the window is open

the titanic window is open how was your weekend besides obviously bread and you know things of that nature so my weekend was good the first half was really strong like memorial day ting sun fun

water play.

But then the back half, there was some sickness in the house.

So that was sad.

So then we were more so inside, baking bread.

Beautiful.

But I had a little bit of both.

Best of both worlds, indoor, outdoor, and play.

And when you got dressed for the toast this morning, did you look at that dress and say, this sleeve says sourdough?

Like it does.

No.

When I got dressed for the toast this morning, something else that kind of took over my beginner, I don't even think I told you this because it happened last night.

And I'm just like, sometimes you just don't feel like dealing.

What?

You saw like a mouse?

No, but of a similar L

household issues.

Our AC was out.

I told you that, actually.

You did.

You did.

Yeah, you did.

I remember I said, I accidentally said heat was out.

Yeah, no, and you FaceTime me and you just like looked like.

Oh, that's like Tony Soprano.

I'm wearing a wife beater in my bed.

By the way, aren't we saying wife beater?

Like, what is the word?

White tank top.

No, but like for a Haynes wife beater, like the classic Tony Soprano.

Like, what are we calling that?

It doesn't feel right.

The thing is, I never wear a WB, so like, I'm just going to say it.

It's going to be a today.

It's going to be a one-day-only thing.

Yeah.

Because my, my AC was out.

So this morning, our AC is being fixed this morning, but like I know it's going to be a hot box in here.

I wanted to go with something light wear, a little romper, a little dress.

And so also something that fits.

Well, gador, you look jadorable.

Thank you.

This is a sort of romper that's like cute sitting, not cute standing.

Well, thank God we sit for a living.

TGTG.

And I feel like temperature-wise, it's the right day for it.

Love that.

It's a gorgeous day in new york it's gonna be a traversing kind of day i've got my hocus on you know oh nice yeah i i gotta get some activity in with my aura ring have you started yours yet it hasn't arrived yet wait major major news i feel like i'm about to blow like the lid on something huge that's going on in new york city

okay you know the kosher grocer

i do it's kind of like the center of my universe and like millions of new yorkers

I got a picture today for my friend.

I don't want to name her because I don't want her to like, you know, get in trouble for blowing the lid on this thing.

But, and it's not, it's not for sale yet, but she sent me a picture.

She was there this morning.

No, the frozen yogurt machine is in the building.

Now, there have long been rumors that they are going to be adding frozen yogurt to the kosher grocery because they've got like a bagel stand, coffee shop.

It's like kind of like a little mini market inside there, fruits, things of that nature.

And somebody had told me many, many weeks ago that they were going to start selling frozen yogurt.

And I honestly didn't believe it because seriously, there is like the number one rumor mill is the kosher grocer in this town.

Like, you can't believe a word you hear at the kosher grocer.

I saw it today with my own eyes.

In the picture.

But from someone.

Could have been AI.

No, no, from someone trustworthy.

That you trust.

Not someone who would send you the pove and a puffer.

No, no, no.

It wasn't AI generated.

It was my friend Alicia.

She doesn't even know how to like work AI.

She's trustworthy.

Okay, okay.

So that's about to happen and summer's about to be like

unstoppable here in New York City.

Busting cuss.

Speaking of kosher grocery, I had to make a soup yesterday.

Because your whole family's sick.

Because my family family was sick.

So we got, you know, the meats and it was such a tasty soup.

It's

crazy to have soup.

What was it?

93 degrees yesterday?

Memorial Day weekend.

I'm making a soup.

I have barbecue in the fridge ready to go out on the grill.

Instead, I'm making a chicken soup, but it is what it is.

And then I had my own bread to go along with it.

I had sandwich bread and sourdough.

And that's just, that's on evolving.

as a person.

That's on evolution.

You know what I mean?

Like,

I'm just a totally brand new person.

Like not overnight, but it's just crazy how you think of like six years ago, like I couldn't even make my own avocado toast.

I've ordered in.

It's so true.

And now I pick the avocado off the tree.

I feel like that's really like the theme of our lives these days.

Like change.

Change is good.

Change is good, you know, and it's, it's natural.

You just got to embrace it.

Yeah, you do.

You just kind of got to let the tides of change wash over you.

Yeah, but isn't that so crazy?

Like if I woke up and I wanted avocado toast, like I would order it.

Yeah, that that is crazy.

That's an insane thing to order.

Yeah, I agree.

No shame

if you're in that era of your life.

Just know, though,

it doesn't last forever.

It gets better.

But we've got a great show today, I believe.

We do have a great show.

We have a lot of stories organized into the Fast Five.

And I think we should get on with them.

You know, I'm so down.

Like, you know me, I'm always down.

Baby, are you down, down, down, down, down?

Such a good song.

Yeah.

Are you down?

Indeed, I am.

Without further ado, it is time for the fast five stories that you need to know.

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Our first story, some exciting happy Bebbe news.

Sophia Richie Grange welcomes her first baby, a girl with her husband, Elliot Grange.

So she announced this weekend the news that she gave birth on May 20th to a baby girl named Eloise Samantha Grange.

She said, 5-2024, best day of my life.

This was very highly anticipated.

I think a lot of the girlies were wondering what she was going to name this baby.

I feel like her and Haley Baldwin are like highly anticipated for the girls obsessed with names, like, because they're both very creative and trendsetters.

Like, everybody copies their makeup, their hair, their clothing.

And so now it's like names.

And we love a real name, you know, very uncommon in celebrity culture.

Like, I have heard this name before.

Yes, I think I've heard this name before

and I do like it.

Honestly, it's very on brand.

Like it's so her.

Like what do you think of when you think of Eloise?

At the Plaza.

Plaza's class up the ass.

And that's so Sophia Richie, you know, clean girl, whatever they call it.

Yeah, no, I love the name.

I agree also, like her and Haley Bieber, they're like so trendy and cool and blah, blah, blah.

But like the thing about a name

is that it's forever.

So how trendy and cool we want to be here.

And I think this, I mean,

she, whatever she named her daughter is so beautiful, but I really feel like this is so perfect because it is a classic name.

That's not like the most common name, but not just like plucked out of the sky.

I'm sure there's also like some meaning in her family.

And I think it's really beautiful and I'm really happy for her.

And I hope she's enjoying the early days of motherhood.

And when it comes to Haley Bieber's name, I feel like people forget like they're so religious.

I feel like she's literally going to name her kid like Moses, like something really biblical.

Yeah, but Moses is also cool because that's Gwyneth Paltrow's son.

Yeah, and it can be like Bob Moses.

Like it can be like, you know,

trendy.

Also, is she having a girl?

I thought I saw her like post something that made it seem like she's having a girl.

Hailey Bieber.

Yeah.

You know, it's so funny when people announce their genders.

Like even...

I don't think she announced gender, but then she like posted something like, me and the girl are going to so-and-so.

So one day, yo, Haley Bieber's fans think she revealed the gender of her baby with this stylish clue.

Oh, she had gotten her nails done and she captioned her photo.

Little cherry blossoms on my nails, little cherry blossom in my belly.

Why would a cherry blossom be a girl?

Because it's pink?

Yeah, I don't know.

But Jackie, can you tell me?

Like, if you had a boy in your belly, which you have twice, would you ever think of describing that boy as a cherry blossom?

No,

but I don't describe things as cherry blossoms.

Some people also thought the name perhaps could be blossom.

Yeah, I don't think it's that.

I think maybe it's like,

maybe she just wanted to like tie the theme of her nails.

Yeah, she has like this budding flower in her belly.

Yeah, it's by the way, this is not it wasn't, I don't think it was a gender reveal or an accidental one.

Me neither.

I don't think she like

accidentally posts stuff.

Same.

So

I think, you know, sometimes it's just a manicure, you know?

Right, but sometimes it's not.

No, and I do think we've gotten like really like crazy with celebrity Easter.

Like I do blame Taylor Swift because like everyone got so accustomed to taking a magnifying glass to everything Taylor Swift puts out and that's how she wanted it.

But not everyone's like that.

Like some people are just getting their nails done.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's as simple and as complicated as that.

True that.

Well, our next story is some children news and it's a three-parter because Kardashian children are in the news.

Yes, they are.

In a major way.

So let's start with Mason Disick joining Instagram.

He's 14 years old now.

He has an Instagram account, which makes total sense.

But I think what's puzzling people is that the whole family is promoting the Instagram account.

They all posted on Instagram, Mason's here.

Like, give him a follow.

You know, just not trying to minimize.

Yeah.

Yeah, I thought that was interesting.

Like him being on Instagram, like I get.

As a 14-year-old, like, I get why it's newsworthy, but there's really nothing crazy about it.

Like, that is the age that kids, you know, these days join the platform.

I am surprised that they wanted him to have like a public, verified profile and not, like, a private one that he can, like, use for social media, like how kids do with their friends.

Yeah.

But this is a family that, like, has built billion-dollar businesses on social media.

Like, they know the value of it.

And Mason Disk already having 500,000 Instagram followers.

Like, that's a job for, he's, like, set for life.

It's like an inheritance in a weird sense.

It's like an inheritance.

It's like job security.

So, um, like, I get it.

It does feel like weird just like Kim being like, oh my God, I can't believe my nephew is on Instagram.

Follow him.

Like, I don't know.

It's going to be like follow train, like for likes for likes, you know?

Yeah.

I kind of feel like now in thinking about it, that the family as a dis as a family has made the decision that like the next generation will

start working, carry the torch.

Yeah, and like.

We're gonna make the most of maybe he does even have like a more private one, but like he's gonna have a public one and like we're gonna keep it going because that's also how they can like stay up with young people yep and I feel like maybe there was like a

a committee that was like I think this is what's best for the future of the family if like if the younger ones start to get on Instagram that like keeps us in the loop with young people and of course I'm sure it's monitored in some way yeah well I feel like it can't be this like unilateral decision because each family definitely has their own politics.

Like Kanye has been very vocal about not wanting the kids on TikTok.

and Scott, I feel is definitely really into like influencer culture and is probably really pro Mason being on social media.

So I feel like it couldn't have been like so unilateral.

But it's a good point because it feels like it's all happening now at once.

Like with you know North and Penelope on TikTok, North then doing the Lion King thing, Mason being on Instagram.

It does feel like it happened at the same time.

But I also feel like if anyone was gonna be less into it, it would have been Courtney.

Right.

I don't know.

I feel like

maybe it's, yeah, like their inheritance and

that's what they're going to do.

It'll be always good to see what the rest of them do.

But I thought the fact that everyone posted it was like the most interesting part of this.

Yeah, it feels like very early stage brand building.

Early stage brand building.

100%.

Yeah.

Well, speaking of brand building, also North was in the news this weekend because she performed at the Hollywood Bowl as Simba, young Simba, in the Lion King during the Lion King's 30th anniversary concert.

So this has been the topic of discussion all weekend.

North, there's a video of her performing, I just can't wait to be king, super cute.

Now she's getting dragged for being like a Nepo baby.

She didn't deserve the part.

People are sharing auditions of other kids who auditioned for the role.

Their parents are making videos like talking about the audition process and how it's not fair, that Kim pulled strings and that North got the part.

And

it's a mess.

Looking for like justice and equality and fairdom in the show business industry, like really need to start barking up another tree.

Like, oh, well, this is so shocking.

Show business isn't fair.

Yeah, well, we know.

Like, oh, show business isn't ethical.

Yeah, we know.

Like, have you not been paying attention?

Like, so don't go searching for like a fair shot in show business.

If you want to be like in a fair industry, yeah, you want to be in a fair industry where your kid is going to have an equal playing field.

Like, that's not the one.

No, it's not.

Like, we, we've been knowing this.

Show business is not a meritocracy.

Like, it's all about connections.

It's all about family.

It's all about who you know.

Like, and that's a conversation that's been had.

So like this isn't shocking.

I think coming for a kid is wrong.

I thought she did like a really good job.

Like, yeah, was that kid who auditioned better vocally?

Yeah, she's not a singer.

But we're talking about the Lion King 30th anniversary when we never would have been talking about it before.

And it kind of looked good.

And now I kind of want to go.

Like, there's a reason why she got the role over other people who might have been more qualified for her.

She brings something that other people don't bring.

Yeah.

I also think like people have gotten seriously out of hand.

Like she's a child.

People who are like, say, like commenting on her talent and her abilities, like calm down, seriously.

Seriously, calm down.

If you want to be mad at like some of the adults who made these choices, go ahead.

But like to say anything about her and how she did when like she's clearly having fun.

This is obviously something that she wants to do.

She likes being on stage.

Like it's not that fucking serious and she's a child.

Like calm down.

Jackie said the F word.

Jackie said the F word.

She's so crazy.

Like imagine like seeing a kid singing and dancing and like having some like taking moral high ground, having a big problem with it, and taking it out on her.

Yeah, no, facts on facts.

It's just, it's really

so unnecessary and like mean-spirited.

It is, especially because like the big comparison that people made was Northwest and Blue Ivy.

Because Blue Ivy was also a part of her mom's tour, which is different.

It's not nepotism because it's like her mom's tour.

It's not like she got that job over someone else.

Like she doesn't have

a gun to anyone that age who dances.

No, it's not like she was in the business of hiring like a 15-year-old dancer in her show.

Right.

Like, if it wasn't Blue Ivy, there would have been nobody there.

Right.

But comparing, like, talent-wise and levels of skill, like, it's just, it's wrong.

Like, leave the kids alone.

And again, if you're like a parent making a TikTok like about how your kid didn't book a role that you wanted him to, like.

I mean.

No, like, it's giving stage mom, it's giving documentary.

Like, maybe go put the kid in school and stop complaining.

Yeah.

And this is a good lesson to learn.

Like, it's not a fair industry.

No.

Nepo babies shall rise.

And they will.

And they have.

And it's not always about

who's the best, who you think is the best for the role.

Like,

now you know.

No, and by the way, while yes, people are critiquing like her singing and her dancing.

I just want to say, how old is she?

10.

To get on the stage at the Hollywood Bowl as a 10-year-old and not look even one bit nervous and have so much confidence, like that's major.

Yeah.

So, like, leave the kid alone.

Yeah.

Are you ready for, oh, there's one more Kardashian child baby news story because Courtney was doing a little QA on her Instagram and she's admitted,

yes, she's talking about like postpartum things and she admits that she sleeps with her six-month-old son, Rocky.

So we have another advocate in the co-sleeping.

This is so crazy.

Of all the like scandals and like crazy things we've said on the show, the co-sleeping thing, which I obviously have no horse in this race on, has shaken up this community.

Well, Courtney has entered the chat because someone asked on her stories, like

looking for advice as a new mama, she has a baby who only likes to be held to take a nap.

And then Courtney took a picture of his crib and she wrote,

enjoy every second.

We do the same.

He's never been in his crib.

It's my favorite thing in the world.

Oh, so that's like a very roundabout way of saying like we're co-sleeping.

Oh, yeah.

He's never slept in his crib because he sleeps on them with them because this person was like, How could I like looking for advice?

Like, my baby will only nap on me.

And I loved Courtney's, like, spin on it, like, enjoy.

You're welcome.

It's the best thing in the world.

Yeah, but that's like so on brand for Courtney.

Oh, for sure.

And I feel like she's been never been anything other than like herself in that sense.

I feel like she's said that before,

but

it's making waves again now.

And I just feel like for anyone who's co-sleeping and might want to hear that.

Co-sleeping in secret?

Co-sleeping in secret, yeah.

Aren't we all?

No, actually, I'm not.

Actually, me and Romeo are co-sleeping.

Actually, we're not.

We're not.

Oh, yeah, you're not.

Bruno's co-sleeping, though.

Bruno's co-sleeping.

Romeo's still in his crib.

That's good.

Yeah.

And then it's the opposite for Romeo.

He starts in the crib and then he co-sleeps.

Those people, it's the opposite.

So anyways, that's super cute.

Oh, and I watched Kardashians.

And I watched the first episode.

It was cute.

There was a lot of like Courtney, Travis, like the baby shower stuff, which was like fun to watch.

Kim, the theme is like, Kim won't stop working.

She said last season, like, I'm a workaholic.

And now like her whole personality is how much she works.

And she's like, I don't see why people have a problem with that.

I don't think people have a problem with it.

I don't.

But it was just all about like work, work, work.

And she's taking on more.

Chloe is like kind of having.

Not a hard time, but like

she

is very like in her routine every single day and she like won't deviate from it of like the kids, school, this, the house.

Like she won't go to Milan for 12 hours.

Hate when that happens.

No, and I understand that because like when people offer me to go to Milan for 12 hours, I can't do it because my routine, like my, you know, Romeo and needs his walks and going for a jog in the park, you know, my 5k training, things like that.

Yeah.

So it was cute.

I'll watch the next one.

Cool.

I didn't watch.

Are you ready for our third story?

I am.

Great.

Brittany Cartwright is hinting at deeper marital issues behind closed doors after Jax Taylor steps out with model Paige Woolen.

So a lot of Valley Jackson Brittany news this weekend.

I know.

And like the way Jax and Brittany are addressing and like telling their story of their divorce is incredibly bizarre.

Like news is being made because Brittany's like responding to people's Instagram stories.

Like

I feel like though, they are just leaning in.

to the show and to like doing things in the public.

I think it's just like good for their business.

And okay, so it's a business now.

Like these things are happening.

And let's at least make the most of it, sort of.

It's really crazy.

Do you know what it's giving?

I really hope that you know what I'm about to say.

Like just their marital woes played out in the public eye and like the way they're leaning into it so much.

No.

Who does it remind you of?

I can't remember, but like I know we've had this conversation before.

Tori Spelling.

Yeah, we just never talk about her, but they are the millennial equivalent of Tori, and I don't even know her husband's name, who she's always fighting with.

Yeah, but I think Tori Spelling does really well from like that sort of thing.

It pays the bills.

Yeah.

And I think when it does, then you ask yourself the question, like, is this worth it?

And they're on the show already.

So Jax has just stepped out with like a new leading lady, I guess.

Yes.

Her name is Paige Woolen.

Her brother's

birthday.

Birthday.

Yeah.

She's a mom.

Her brother's birthday, Jeremy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, Brittany reposted a video of like a creator talking about The Valley and how Jax treats Brittany.

And she wrote, thank you.

And just imagine what I've been through behind closed doors.

I mean, the way like I was already, I still plan on watching The Valley.

And I need to write it down somewhere because I sat in front of my TV a couple of times being like, what did I mean to watch?

The Valley.

Yeah.

But like, all of this stuff really also gets me to want to watch The Valley, which like them being on TV is good.

That's their livelihood.

Like, this is them doing a good job at their job.

Yeah, no, it's a guaranteed renewal.

That's for sure.

Cause there's so much going on offline.

And there was like a viral, like a video that went viral from Jeremy Maddox's birthday party.

Someone's just like filming him blowing out his candles and like panning to everyone.

Jax is standing there with his new girl and she like blurts out, I'm pregnant.

Yeah, she's like joking about being pregnant.

I don't know.

I'm not sure, but that one sent the Valley viewers into a tizzy.

Into a tizzy.

And maybe this girl wants to be on the Valley.

But there's just been a lot like people thought that Jax was having an affair with his publicist, but now he's dating another girl.

So I don't know.

I don't know either, but we're talking about him.

Yeah, it's a strategy.

This,

it's hard for me to get over Jax and Brittany.

I'm not, I know people are going to be like, what do you mean?

We all could see it.

They are toxic.

Even when a couple, like, seems like a mismatch, when they're together for so long and they really like dig in and put roots down, like at a certain point, I like put them in the box in my head of like, okay, we're settled.

You just like believe.

Yeah.

And that's where I thought that they were at.

And they have a young child.

And I just, I didn't see this happening now.

I thought they they were in like the best place that they've been in.

And when you like get past so many toxic years, like especially on TV with the faith thing, the affair, like you can get past that, like we're together forever.

Yeah.

No, it's definitely sad.

Like, and I think

I'm oddly happy for them because I think being back in like the bravo swing of things and being talked about was their goal.

But at what cost?

At what cost?

And I also think if I watch The Valley, maybe like it will cure me of being sad that they're done.

Like I might watch it and be like, oh, she needs to leave him, which she did.

Good.

Right.

Yeah.

No, there's definitely like a toxicity there that we're unfamiliar with because we don't watch, but apparently it's been quite prevalent.

Yeah.

Yeah.

On the show.

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Our next story, Nikki Minaj is apologizing to fans following a drug arrest and blaming Amsterdam cops for her concert cancellation.

So Nikki Minaj was majorly in the news this weekend.

She was arrested in Amsterdam and she live streamed her encounter with the Amsterdam cops, but she wound up having to cancel her Manchester concert because she couldn't get there in time.

So she has apologized to fans after canceling the concert following her arrest on drug possession charges in Amsterdam on Saturday.

She said, please, please, please accept my deepest and most sincere apologies.

She wrote that she'd just arrived at her hotel after spending six hours in an Amsterdam jail.

She had been taken into police custody at Amsterdam Sheepole airport on Saturday morning on suspicion of exporting soft drugs, with the larisists confirming that they had found marijuana in her luggage.

She blamed Amsterdam officials for nixing the concert.

They succeeded at their plan to not let me get on that stage tonight.

I succeeded at getting to the root of it all by recording them and posting everything in real time.

She added that she plans to take legal action against the Amsterdam authorities, writing, I have so much video evidence.

You wouldn't believe it if I told you.

I'll have the lawyers and God take it from here, though.

I thought pot was illegal.

Right, and she said that in her initial, like when it was all going down and she was like tweeting, she was like, it's legal here.

But is traveling out of the country with it not?

Because she said she was going to Manchester.

That's the UK, right?

Yeah.

So

the whole

she was saying, like, the whole thing with like the bags, like, they were, they had, like, searched some of their bags and then, like, get it, getting them, like, on and off the plane.

Like, it was all very

sus.

Yeah.

But as she says, she has a video of everything.

And

I mean, the footage of her, like, literally being arrested on Instagram Live is so crazy.

Yeah.

And like, what a power move to

like, not just film it, but do it live on Instagram.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just really a crazy turn of events.

And I hope that, you know, there's justice for her.

And it's like that she had to miss the concert.

Everyone missed the concert.

She has to postpone the concert.

Yeah.

That's like so, it's so much work and such like unnecessary paperwork.

For what?

Because she had pot in a country where pot is legal.

Like make it make sense.

The flight was 50 minutes, 5-0.

Make it make sense.

That's what she said.

Was it a private flight?

I assume, yes.

Yeah.

She was talking about the jet.

They were like starting stuff.

Yeah.

She was also like saying that some of the people who might have like formerly worked for her

might have, I don't know, had a role to play in like the blame.

So I don't know.

It's layered.

It's layered, but I'm glad she's that unfortunate.

Yeah, me too.

And it reminds me of my favorite show.

Locked up abroad, which she was.

Which she was.

And which seriously, if you've watched a show.

You never want to be locked up abroad.

I mean, I don't think you want to be locked up broad, but definitely not abroad.

Yeah.

Like, period.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story, some Titanic news?

Oh my God, our time together is coming to a close.

And when I climb into bed, I start feeling sad.

Turdy took the words out of my mouth, but an Ohio billionaire named Larry Connor plans to take a $20 million sub to the Titanic site to prove the industry safer after the Ocean Gate explosion.

So the pressure's on, and an Ohio billionaire is planning to take a deep-sea submersible to Titanic depths to prove the industry is safer in the wake of the doomed ocean gate vessel that imploded last year.

Real estate investor Larry O'Connor said he and Triton Submarines co-founder Patrick Leahy will plunge more than 2.3 miles to the shipwreck site in a two-person submersible.

He said, I want to show people worldwide that while the ocean is extremely powerful, it can be wonderful and enjoyable and really kind of life-changing if you go about it the right way.

I don't think anybody like is mad at the ocean, you know?

Right.

And that wasn't the takeaway from the submersible tragedy.

It was like, you know, that company was

shade as hell and like poor decision making from literally everyone involved.

And I feel like the integrity and reputation of the ocean remained intact post-submersible saga.

Now I'm questioning the sanity and well-being of this billionaire from Ohio.

Like, are you okay?

Right.

And I think also while the operations like were not up to code in the last one, it did sort of like beg the question of like, is it necessary?

Why would do we need to do this?

Maybe just like let it rest, like this Titanic obsession.

Like, yeah.

And

so, yeah, I don't think he needs to prove that like ocean travel is safe.

People are on cruises every day.

Right.

No, and I wasn't even, my takeaway from submersible, like, wasn't that, you know, submersible travel in general.

Like, if NASA put together a submersible, I'd trust it, you know?

And not to say that submersible travel is, like, recreational submersible travel is unsafe.

It's just a bit of a significant thing.

And it's like a PlayStation controller being held together with duct tape.

Like, I think, you know, using logic and reasoning is of the utmost importance in a situation like that.

And I don't know what's going to happen to this man.

I wish him a safe journey.

But this is so beyond unnecessary.

And this is like classic, like, like these wealthy men, like sometimes they're so not okay.

Like they think they're so untouchable.

You're literally not.

The ocean doesn't give a fuck how much money you have.

Yeah.

And there's just, I can't see, like, what's one upside to going and seeing the Titanic?

I guess like the experience of seeing it, but it's all on video and just watch a movie.

It's even better.

No, and like, no one is as

interested in the Titanic as me.

And I don't feel that I need to go down there.

Yeah.

It's also like, let's say NASA was going.

It was the tippity top.

Elon was involved.

Like, it was guaranteed that you were going to make it up.

Yeah, Elon and NASA.

And you are guaranteed that you're going to make it to and fro alive.

I still don't think I would want to go.

The idea of being how many miles down below?

2.3 miles down below, 2,400 feet.

Like, I'm all set, you know, and I think the Titanic is super interesting.

Like, I don't feel like that would be an enjoyable experience for me, you know?

It's the same reason I don't go bungee jumping, even though, you know, millions of people do it and it's totally safe.

Like, I'm not interested in feeling that sort of pain.

Yeah.

Thrill.

Not for me.

Not for me.

So, I mean, good luck to them, but

it's honestly at this point.

I feel like he's doing it for attention.

It's a good way to get attention.

I feel like anything that like people.

Titanic.

Yeah, Titanic really captures people.

Yeah.

It's definitely like, he's not a thrill seeker.

He's an attention seeker.

And I really am like mad that we gave it to him.

You think, oh, I know, but I can't help.

Like, you'll get

a walk right into the trap.

No, and the timing of me watching Titanic last night and this story coming out.

How could we not?

We're doing our own.

Yeah.

And then after Ben saw Titanic, like, did he have any more thoughts about the submersible thing?

No, Ben, you know, is not really into like current events, you know?

So, I'm not, it didn't come up in our conversation.

Maybe tonight over dinner, I'll just ask him if he had any deeper thoughts on the submersible.

Um, but am I correct in remembering when the submersible story first came out, like day one, we were reporting on it, we called it a submersible.

That feels right, yeah, TFR, yeah, sub

subway.

And I just, it was like, it was crazy that at that time, it was just

commonplace knowledge, I guess, for everyone to know how to pronounce submersible.

Now, it was in the movie Titanic.

They are on a submersible.

That guy on the big boat, he's using submersibles.

So, I guess that's where people knew the pronunciation, but I just thought it was so crazy.

Like, one day everybody woke up and knew how to pronounce it.

And we were dumb for not.

Yeah.

You know what else is like a part of the movie that just doesn't do it for me, but I guess it's like the whole movie.

What?

The necklace.

Oh.

Yeah, me neither.

Although that was like low-key kind of crazy of the lady to just dump it in the ocean.

But historically inaccurate.

Well, there wasn't a real necklace.

No, I don't think so.

No, it was just, I read about it last night.

It was like this storyline like inspired by the Hope Diamond.

Yeah.

But wait, back to, what were you saying right before this?

Oh, yeah, the necklace storyline didn't do it for you.

Like, where is the necklace?

Like, I don't care.

Yeah, no, I wasn't like searching for it.

And when she like finally whipped it out of her old wrinkly hand, it wasn't like plot twists of the century.

It was just like, oh, cool.

Love that for you.

you.

How did Ben feel about it?

He didn't make a peep.

I was like, I wonder if he's like, he didn't say because I

don't think you care.

Also, like, I just know that it's the old lady has a necklace because, like, that Britney Spear song, you know, like, you know, yeah, she has it.

Yes.

It's kind of a spoiler for the whole movie.

Like, I've never not known her to have it.

Just like how I watch Gone Girl starting from the middle of the movie.

Like, I never knew had the thought for a second that like maybe she was gone.

Like, I knew she was in her car.

You knew she was the girl.

Yeah, girl was not gone.

Okay, that's interesting.

Yes, Britney Spear is definitely definitely

helpful.

But also,

maybe this is like me being dumb.

Why did she throw it in the ocean?

That's where it belonged.

Like, no one else should have it.

It's called the heart of the ocean.

No, but like, just to put the whole thing to rest,

I don't know.

Poetic justice.

Because at first I was like, oh, she's putting the necklace back in the ocean.

That's where Jack is.

But Jack actually

didn't give her the necklace.

Like, it's not Jack's necklace.

Yeah.

It's Cal's.

I think it was just like the closing, like, of a chapter.

Like, she was that person.

That necklace is

symbolizes that person.

And that person should, because she, like, wound up pretending to be someone else for the rest of her life, right?

Not like a

person.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

So, like, Rosie Aristocrat is at the bottom of the sea, technically, and her necklace should be there, too.

I mean, couldn't be me.

No, especially because, you know, her mom was the woat, like the woatiest woat of all.

But we do learn why she was that way.

Their father had passed away, her husband, and they didn't know.

Like they had a good family name, but they had no money.

Like they were in crazy debt.

And so her marrying this, you know, steel tycoon, you know, he was the worst,

was a remedy of that.

And that's what the culture was in the 1900s.

Like, that's what she did.

And so I understood the mother a little bit better.

And that necklace could have helped the mother a great deal because the mom in the movie did survive.

So she should have just given the necklace to her mom because it meant a lot to her.

Yeah, but the mom's also also like forcing her to marry an abusive man.

So like no necklace for you.

N-N-F-U.

No necklace for you.

So that, like, all to say, no one deserves it.

Right.

And I guess the theme is like, money is the root of all evil, I guess.

Oh, I wasn't getting that.

I was getting like, let's sleeping dogs lie.

Well, no, in the movie, because, and you say in the book that it actually wasn't like that, but so much of the emphasis of the movie is like rich people getting priority, like their lives basically being more valuable than people in steerage and the poor people.

So maybe for her, the necklace represented that.

Perhaps, but also like the ship, when it was floating, was incredibly classist.

Yeah, it worked.

Classes.

Yeah, but like so is an airplane.

Ooh, la.

Like, we still have the class system.

Yeah, not all airlines.

I guess even

pay more.

Yeah, you could pay more to board first, but I, yeah.

And now they charge you, like, oh, you don't want to sit in a middle seat?

Pay more.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

They'll charge you for everything.

You're bringing a luggage.

Pay more.

Water?

A basic human right?

No, it's serious.

Oh, you don't want to sit that far back?

Pay more.

Right.

Main cabin, main cabin plus.

It's really crazy.

It's really crazy.

I would argue that, like, the modern flight travel industry is more classist than the Titanic.

Yeah.

Whoa.

Hot take.

Hot take.

Do better.

Yeah, but not totally untrue.

And then also, what were we saying before that?

The necklace.

Bruno.

The necklace.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

Submersible.

Knowing the pronunciation, he flew in a submersible in the movie.

Oh, and I said this to you on the phone, but something's so interesting about the movie Titanic is that there's two films going on, right?

They're telling the story of what happened in 1912, and then it's like 2000 and whenever the movie came out, 2008.

1998.

Oh, wow.

I think it came out in the 90s.

Play the house down boots with that song.

And it's crazy that these, the modern parts of the film, which are like 5% of the movie, but this is the biggest movie of

all time.

Literally, it's a multi-generational, it's like the biggest thing.

And all the actors who play like the submersible guy and his team, and

Nana, Nana and Nana's granddaughter.

I've never seen these people act ever again.

Like you would think this would have been a movie that launched their careers.

Like they're seriously like you would think Jennifer Aniston would be in it.

Like who the fuck are these people?

No, like did they even get the invite to the Oscars?

Did they even get the invite to the premiere?

Like I know Jack, I know Rose.

I know Celine Dion.

I know Kathy Bates.

I know Victor Garber.

Who the fuck are these other people?

Yeah.

In the modern times?

Makes you think.

Like you'd think it would have been like the job of a lifetime, but it kind of feels like a curse.

Yeah.

It's a great question.

And then my final thought, which I also shared with you and you agreed with, was that I felt like Rose was miscast.

I do feel that way.

I,

so this is what I said to you.

Like, I feel like her,

Kate Winslet and Leo, like, were not a match.

And so one of them has to go.

And I think Leo really shines in the movie.

So like he'll stay, which means we have to recast Rose.

But I think like like thinking of a an aristocratic young woman in the 1912s like that's Kate Winslet yeah and thinking of like a poor Midwestern American boy with you know no like kind of untethered his family it was so Leo at the time like the long blonde hair just the very chiseled face like so all American yeah but like they I don't know how they passed the chemistry test yeah yeah like even and and She felt a lot older than him, no?

Yeah.

And the scene where they have sex in that car,

I don't know, it was giving like the idea of you energy.

Let's just look at their ages quickly.

I'm sure, you know,

I think they're on paper

same age.

I think on paper,

they were their correct casting, but together, no.

He had this like really young, boyish energy, and she had the total opposite, sort of like maternal energy, matronly, if you will.

Yeah.

So she's 48 and he's 49.

Yeah, no, they're older.

Oh, he's older.

I don't know.

Facts remain, but I still feel like they were a mismatch.

I agree.

And I don't think that's a hot take.

And you know what I just did want to look up really quickly?

Actresses who almost played Rose in the Titanic.

Like, who else was...

Oh, Reese Witherspoon.

She doesn't give aristocrat.

No, she's like...

Female Jack.

She's Jackie Dawson.

I just want to say all these people kind of stink.

Okay.

Angelina Jolie, no.

Jennifer Connolly.

I don't really know what she looked like when she was young, but no.

Pearl Harbor.

Uma Thurman.

Oh, Pearl Harbor.

Honestly, like Kate Beckinsale.

Oh, she's Pearl Harbor.

They're both Pearl Harbor.

Oh, I don't know, but Kate Beckinsale would have been good.

Jennifer, I said, no, no, no, no, I want Ms.

I do want a real Brit.

Rose wasn't British.

She wasn't?

She was a member.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, she was from Philly.

She was from Philly.

Jennifer Connolly, Uma Connecticut.

Oh, so go back.

Okay, for sure, Rhys Witherspoon.

I'll take any of them.

Madonna.

No.

Nicole Kidman, Jennifer Anniston, Charlize Theron, Gwyneth.

Gwyneth.

She had just played Seven and Emma, and that's why she was offered the role.

She turned it down, but then won an Oscar for Shakespeare and Love.

So she couldn't have done both, but Titanic is obviously bigger.

But Shakespeare and Love.

Oh, and here's who auditioned for the role of Jack.

Johnny Depp.

I could see it.

Yeah.

You know, he loves a roll on a boat.

Christian Bale also could have seen it.

Chris O'Donnell from CSI.

Like, you definitely don't even know who he is.

Well, I would have visited Titanic.

Yeah, Brad Pitt would have been.

Brad and Gwyneth.

Macaulay Culkin, no.

I didn't realize it was a movie about two Americans.

Yeah, I also did wonder why she was in London.

They never addressed that because he was also American.

He was from Pittsburgh, her husband, fiancé, and she and her family were American.

And she was engaged?

They were engaged traveling from the UK back to New York, but why?

Maybe they were shopping for her wedding, like getting her dress made.

They never really addressed that.

Maybe they were just on holiday, as you do.

Or maybe they seriously went to London so that they could get on the Titanic.

Like it was that big of a deal.

Yeah, or they were just there for the season.

Yeah, oh, the season.

That's a thing.

And no, but the season movie's summer and it's April.

No, I'm telling you, they definitely like went to London so that they could go back on this historic voyage.

Interesting.

Did they plan like some FACOC trip?

Oh, and then I also looked up like what did first class cost?

Like today, what would it have cost?

So a first-class suite, which I don't know if that's what Rose and her man had, because that was like more than a suite.

They had like their own deck or whatever.

But a first-class suite costs $4,000, which today is $84,000 for what was it, like seven to ten days.

Yeah, whoa.

Yeah.

That, I guess, feels right.

That feels like what rich people spend on like crazy trips.

Yeah, like in crazy amount.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Per person or for the suite?

And you can just like.

Good question.

That's what it said, a ticket costs.

But I don't know if that means like a room.

I don't know.

Hmm.

Fascinating.

You should read the book I read.

It's called The Ship of Dreams by Gareth Nemuth.

That doesn't sound right.

Gareth Nemuth?

I don't think that his parents would have named him that.

Let me just clear that up.

The Ship of Dreams book by Gareth Russell.

Close.

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