Obsessed with Tinx: Thursday, May 9th, 2024

Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast, and happy Thursday.

I am so excited.

You know, yesterday was for the Gen Zers.

Today,

I feel like my guest needs no introduction.

I feel like we literally have the same exact audience, like Millennial Queens, you guys.

It's fucking tinks.

I'm so excited to be here.

And can I just say, I've obviously been listening to the toast every day because I do every day normally, and I've been listening to all the other co-hosts, and they're fabulous.

They're fantastic.

They're way more famous than me, but I'm not.

I need to say something.

I'm for the toasters because I started as a toaster.

And this morning I did look in my phone and I found the first time that I said Claudia.

And it was in 2018.

And I was texting my college group chat as I did when I lived in New York, like talking about something hilarious that you said.

And so I, I represent the every toaster, okay?

The arc from toaster to friend to co-host.

I mean, come on.

Well, there is, me and Jackie have spoken about this.

The toaster to influencer pipeline, everyone who like blows up is a toaster.

And sometimes they acknowledge it and sometimes they pretend like they unsend their DMs.

That happens to me all the time.

Like I think they're too good.

Like I love it.

The first time I saw you, I was so met you for real.

I was so embarrassing.

I showed you the photo that I forced you to take in a bar in New York in like 2019.

Obsessed.

We have to post it.

We're going to clip this and the photos right here.

Enjoy.

I literally die for you.

You are one of my favorite people.

I'm so excited.

I know that the toasters probably already know you.

We really do have very similar audiences.

But for those who don't know, you are queen of TikTok, podcaster, author, radio, fashion, literally all the things.

You are, you mean the world to me.

Like, I love you.

I, I literally, I don't have words for how much I love you.

Like, it's, you guys, just if you're listening out there, she's funnier in person, if that's even possible.

And also so nice.

Like, I thought you were nice before, but the way you treated me in Mexico, like when we met and you were so kind to me, because I did, for those who don't know, like, we met in Mexico with this party and I knew like three people and Claudia and Ben were so kind to me.

I met them.

I was like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with you guys.

They let me third wheel the entire weekend and I just had the best time of my life.

Like I just, do you think I'm obsessed?

Ben?

No, I love Ben too.

Like we wake up in the morning in Mexico.

He's like, do I want to get breakfast?

I'm like, yeah, he's like, should we tell you?

I'm dead.

Ben was a trip clinger.

It was the best weekend of my life.

And it's just like, it just was easy.

It's just like, it's very easy.

Yeah.

I went to that trip that we met on a million years ago for the first time.

And I knew one person, literally one person.

And I remember every person who was so kind.

to me and went out of their way to make me feel included.

It meant so much to me.

And they're people I'm still friends with.

Our friend Stacey was one of those people who like knew me from Instagram, put me under her wing and like really made the trip so much more fun.

And so I was so excited to meet you.

On my way there, I think, I forget who was, someone's like, tinks is coming.

I'm like, the rich mom queen.

I'm like, you're lying.

So excited.

You are, if you say, I'm even funnier in person, you are.

even cooler in person.

You radiate like, I think that I radiate that energy and we all know I don't.

You are effortlessly cool.

Like even your outfit, like where the fuck did you get that?

Like all of it.

Like

you're so cool.

I just die for you.

I love you so much.

And I'm so excited to to have you on the show.

I'm so excited.

This is surreal.

My, my college group chat is going wild right now.

Let me tell you, your college group chat was onto something when they became friends with you at college because let me tell you, there is no one more fun to get liquored up with.

And just, there's two different, I feel like we've actually had a couple of nights and they either go one of two ways.

Last night, which is just like a low-key cocktail and just gossip, gossip, gossip, like sort of vomiting.

You know, we live on different coasts.

We don't talk every single day, so we kind of have a lot to catch up on.

or it's like a shot-ripping cigarette-chain smoking kind of night.

100% love them both equally.

Love them both equally.

You're so fun to drink with because we're the same.

Like when we go, we go.

And it's really hard to find, I feel like girls, especially as we get into our 30s, who are like, they're still willing to go.

And I'm like we talked about last night, we don't miss a party.

If there's a good party, you have to go.

That's the good part.

If it's a good party, you have to know.

What, you're like kind of a professional party girl.

How, what is your advice on gauging?

Like, what, I think a lot of us struggle.

Like, should i get dressed and go to this you struggle with like being you know fomo or we're there and we wish we didn't even go 100 for example i had really bad stagecoach fomo i had crippling stagecoach fomo i i have my fomo pretty under control i feel like my gauge is pretty good now just because i am a you know seasoned party girl i know i can kind of tell depends what city i'm in depends who else is going stagecoach i had really bad fomo next year we're going together so did i it's it's gonna be so good next year especially like through the lens of margo who i am so happy that you got to meet because Margo's like my ride or die party.

Margo's obsessed with you.

And also Margo's fits at stagecoach went off.

It really, like it upset me to watch.

I mean, she was living her best life, but for all of us, I was just like, you are, you're doing it, Queen.

100%.

And so when last night we were, we are going to stagecoach.

No, we're going.

I'm organizing it.

We're going.

Also, last night, you said something that I got home and I was like telling Ben about.

And I think it was so profound.

Honestly, Ben like didn't get it.

I was like trying to explain it to him and he didn't like get it.

And I was like, you're not understanding.

It's like a girly thing.

The reason why I love you is because you're older than me.

I'm sorry.

Like everyone I meet is younger than me and it makes me really upset.

I'm 29 in this space.

Yes.

And it's seriously, it's upsetting to be 29 in this space.

1000%.

It, it is.

And that's why I talk about it so much because when I, I became an influencer at age 29.

I'm 33 now and I

realized that I had a choice.

I could either like be one of those girls who like don't say their age in public and whatever.

And I actually, when I moved to LA, I met a few girls who lied about their age and I was so shook because I was like, that's so silly.

People are crazy.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

And I was like, or I could just talk about it and like really try to change this because I think that for me, when I see someone older than me doing something, it like validates it completely for me.

It makes me feel so much better.

You to me.

And I didn't feel like I had an influencer when I was in my late 20s.

Like I was single.

I didn't have anyone in their 30s who was single, but having fun, but wanted to find love, but was like also happy and grateful for her life.

So I was like, okay, let me just be that and talk about that.

So the girls no longer fear turning 30.

And we talked about that last night.

And it's like, it's the best.

I am turning 30.

And I feel like this is like a place I can like really say that.

I couldn't say it with Brook Schofield yesterday.

She was like, too cool and young for me.

I'm so 30, yeah.

No, I'm so excited.

She's so young.

So yes, I am.

I am turning 30.

It's fine.

And it's, it's honestly, as soon as it happens, I, what Ashley was saying last night, too, it's like 29, like once you get to 30, you're just like,

like, it's a relief.

And so you gave me great advice.

And I said to Ben, and Ben was like, you do this anyway.

So things was like, honestly, I bought myself at 30 a tennis necklace.

Is that the necklace you're wearing?

I wear it today so that I could show you to encourage you to do it.

And it was, it was all really happening for me at that time.

I had just started to make money as an influencer and I had been previously so nervous to turn 30.

And I was like, you know what?

I'm going to really change the narrative.

I'm going to buy myself a really great present so that I can always look back and think how proud I was of myself at this moment.

And it was a big moment.

I think it's just like a big age for a woman.

It is.

I think it's just so different for men.

I think women have a much more complicated relationship with aging.

Biological.

Like 30 is when the doctors start telling you, like, get it together.

Oh, no, totally.

Then you're like, they're like, oh, let me count your eggs.

You're like, please don't.

And by the way, I've gotten to a place now where like talking about like egg freezing, which is amazing.

Like people like bring it up to me.

I'm like, well, that's like a choice.

Why don't you shut the fuck up?

I'm like, no, I don't.

Would you ever choose?

I'm like, would you ever shut the fuck up?

I chose to talk about it on my pod because I chose not to freeze my eggs because it just was not the right choice for me.

I want to go listen to the episode about why just decided not to.

But like, it is a lot.

And everybody loves to talk about it all the time.

and when you get to this age you know you get in a group of girls you haven't seen your friends for a while you get it's like it's all egg freezing this

and it's just like it's overwhelming whatever path you're taking whatever your goals are in life it is overwhelming a thousand percent even if like you look at someone who has done it more traditionally like at 30 they have the two kids yeah they have their own shit too they have their own exactly everybody's going through much so i mean women are going through so much like we just have this more complicated relationship with life in general i think which is why i think it's important to buy yourself a really good birthday present so I told Ben I'm like tink's made me feel so much better like I'm gonna buy myself something and he was like you literally deny yourself nothing you bought a Kelly the other day like you are fine he's like what would you even get I'm like well tink's got a ten of sex no you need a ten of sex I'm getting it yeah I don't have one you need it I'm getting one thank you so much for making me feel better about it

I could literally podcast with you for an eternity well that's good because we have one this afternoon we yeah so I'm going on tink's show later today, which I'm so excited about.

So on the very off chance that someone's not familiar, you currently host a show on Sirius XM.

Yes, I do a radio show.

I wrote a book.

It's me, Tick.

Oh no, The Shift.

The Shift.

People loved it.

It was, it was really, that was the thing that I'm most proud of and that I felt like my, most myself doing.

I really loved it.

But you got your start on TikTok.

Got my start on TikTok.

Can you give me like your brief elevator quick?

Yeah, we were, it was 2020.

I had just moved to LA.

I was not really working.

I was consulting, which is LA code for you don't have a job.

And I was getting a lot of matcha lattes by myself.

And

then the pandemic hit and my family lives in London.

So I wasn't, I was going to have to move home because I was like, I can't, I'm not going to be able to pay my rent.

Like I'm so stressed out.

We're all going to die.

And like, I'm a really dramatic, anxious person.

So I genuinely thought that it was the end of the world.

Yeah.

So I was like, I no longer fear judgment.

I might as well just download this app called TikTok and like just fuck it and like make these videos.

And I had nothing to do.

When I say I had like three friends and they wouldn't see me because quarantine and like my family wasn't there and I lived in a studio apartment, like I had nothing to do.

So I just TikToked and right away I was was like, wow, I find this really fun and fulfilling and I love it and it's funny and I'm getting a little traction.

So I'll just keep going.

And it, I honestly,

it was just like right place, right time, because in that time, a lot, everyone was on their phones for 19 hours a day.

And TikTok was really.

It was a different TikTok back then.

More fun.

I was more fond of it then.

I just felt like it was more funny and lighthearted and more about like comedy and skits and like being silly.

And also I was in a different place.

And like misery loves company.

And I was like talking the whole time about how I was like, I was drunk all this time looking by with myself.

I would literally, I was remembering that I used to like get black out online.

Okay, by the way, I used to do that too.

And I seriously, I have such a pit for myself.

Like I don't even know what could come out of my mouth.

I have like a specific memory of being completely blacked out in Houston after a show going through the Whataburger drive-through on Instagram live with Brian Kelly.

Like seriously, the fact that I didn't hurl in the back of the car, like I.

I have chills for how dumb I was.

That's like one of the, there's so many advantages to growing up on the internet, but one of the major disadvantages, and I have experienced this and I know you have too, is like that shit coming back to bite you in the ass.

100%.

It all does.

And when you're new on the internet, you think that you just think you'll do anything for like a lack.

Attention.

Attention.

And so it was just, it was crazy.

And I was like, honestly, kind of exploiting my personal life at that time too.

I was like, because everybody likes to talk about dating and so do I, but it gets so messy so fast.

So I was like talking about how I was in love with my best friend and like dating this other guy.

And like, that's really brutal for the guy I was dating.

So

yeah, that was the best of times.

It was the worst of times.

But at the end of the day, it got you here, and I feel like you're in such a good place now and your career-like, you're killing it.

You're just the girlies love you, they would seriously lay their life out on the lines for you.

And I get it, like, I would too.

No, and you're just killing it.

And I'd love to see it, especially to see someone who went through an experience of backlash, which I obviously all I fucking talk about.

My Roman Empire is getting canceled.

And as they say, likability is a prison.

You were sort of at the top of your game.

Like, grand deal, grand deal, Chipotle.

It was the weekend after Coachella.

I had just come

back to the house.

I had taken, you know, 12 of my friends to Coachella, organized everything, gotten everyone already.

You know, I was just like, balling.

I was balling.

I was literally,

just everything was good in my life.

And I got back and like.

Destruction.

Destruction.

Like the worst time of my life.

And like, you were also so nice to me.

You've given me more helpful advice about that than anyone else.

And it's literally my skill in life.

It's.

It was the worst time in my life.

But let me ask you a question.

I'm more far out from mine than you are.

I look back on that time now with immense gratitude.

Like I would not be, I think I'm at the top of my game right now.

Like I think I'm killing it.

I would not be here.

I don't know where the fuck I would be.

I might even not be influencing at the time.

I wasn't even that big when it happened.

Like it kind of made me a star.

So I look back on that time.

Lessons learned.

You have to, it's almost like a baptism by fire.

I don't give a fuck now because I went through it.

Are you at the place now where you look back on all that, you know, hate you received and you can look at it through rose-colored lenses now?

A lot of people can't.

I don't know.

I'm a really sensitive person.

I think like I understand everything that happened and I get why it happened like intellectually.

I think, you know, it makes sense.

I was at the top of my game and then it was like, yeah, you know, people hate that.

And like ability is a picture of it.

Why not go through 20,000 tweets to find four from, you know, 10 years ago?

Right.

But I don't know.

I'm really sensitive and it still makes me sad sometimes

how it went down.

And I think being misunderstood is a frustrating experience.

Oh my God.

And

I don't know.

I, just to be honest.

No, being misunderstood, that's how I felt for so long and it was so frustrating and we get into this game everyone gets into influencing and content creating in their own way but at the end of the day we get into it because we want to be liked totally and we want to be popular pleasers like yes that's the thing about us like of course we're all people pleasers like we we're like the court jesters like we do anything for a laugh dance monkey and and so like that's another angle of it where it's like

to think that we would be here for anything other than than to like joy and make people laugh is so like painful.

Yeah, no, and so when you, when your goal is to like become universally liked and then you end up being hated, like, that's earth-shattering for someone who cares.

For someone who cares.

And I care so much.

Like, normalized caring.

Normalized caring.

Like, I don't, I, I can't believe when people are like, oh, I don't care about this, this, and that.

I'm like, I care so much.

You know who doesn't care?

Who?

Jackie.

Why am I obsessed with her?

She's more elevated than I am.

She's so much more elevated than that.

She doesn't give a shit.

And I'm just like, that's why when I watch, I'm like mesmerized by everything Jackie says because she says it with this air of not caring.

And it's the most attractive quality I think a human can have.

She says it with her whole fucking chest.

With her whole fucking chest.

And I like like still second guess myself and I'm like, oh my God.

But it's like, it's from a good place, or at least I think it is.

Maybe it's from like a narcissistic place.

I don't know.

But like, I care a lot.

And I think it's totally fine, but I also think it's important to get out of your own head once in a while.

A thousand percent.

Me as an outsider, like I want to tell you.

Like I look, I watch one of your stories are the first.

They come, you come up before my family.

Like I'm obsessed.

You, from an outsider's perspective, you seem so successful, so sure of yourself.

Thank you.

So, you know, self-aware in a good way.

And it's important, yeah, like being critical of yourself is like just a part of of the job, but it's important to know how other people see you.

And I'm like a normal, level-headed person, and I think you're just killing it.

Thank you.

That's so nice.

And I'm so honored that you came here.

And your timing couldn't be better because we haven't done a lot of Met Gala this week because of co-hosts.

And I want to talk a little bit about the fashion.

And you're such a fashion girly.

And mostly, I want you to explain the theme to me because I literally don't get it.

And now people are like, it's not a theme.

It's the dress code.

And I don't fucking get it.

No, I, I think, you know what?

It wasn't my favorite theme.

My favorite theme was heavenly bodies.

Like, I agree.

That slayed because I love room to be like a little slutty and naughty.

and it but it was like confusing it was just the right amount of confusing this was i don't know i feel like people took it so literally i feel was it garden or was it time it was exactly i feel like people were like okay flowers they were like florals for the mat ground breaking

i yeah i don't know it just it it was good

felt like we were missing a few a-listers that's what you and i were saying last night where were the girlies where's beyonce where's beyonce where's rihanna of course where in the world is taylor swift yeah i don't think we'll i i know you spoke about this briefly, but like, I don't think we'll see in our lifetime.

It's four of the Kardashians.

And it's like, if it's an event where it's like, okay, one of them, yeah, you can, they can organize it so they don't see each other.

Four of them popping around there.

And it's like, it's like their time.

It's their day.

It's, they have made it.

And good for them because they started at a place where Kim wasn't even welcome.

And now it's literally their like bomb mitzvah.

Yeah.

It's the Kardashians event.

They run and they're, it's like their social circle too.

Walla's at the top of

they've got the event on lock.

And you know what?

It's when Kim went to the Super Bowl, it was Taylors of the Super Bowl.

Oh, 100%.

And it's Kim's Metala.

And the thing is, it's the Montagues and the Capulets.

It literally is.

And the never the twain shall meet.

You know?

Fair, fair.

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Oh, wait.

One more thing I wanted to talk to you about.

I wrote it all down.

No, talk about it.

You're like kind of second like secret life of being a DJ.

Oh my gosh, I became a DJ.

Late in life DJ.

Yes, late in life DJ.

It's truly, it was Lucas and I were at Coachella.

Lucas is your best friend.

He's my best friend.

I have a hot, sexy, straight man best friend, which is like such a slay.

I would.

It's such a slay.

I had one too, and now he's gay.

Oh, well, Lucas.

No, he's straight as can be.

I have tested that theory, but anyway,

we were watching Sophie Tucker in Coachella, and we were like, that looks so fun.

It does.

I wish I had a deeper story to say.

I wish I could say, like, oh, I've loved music from a young age.

I have, but, like, more, I just, we were looking at Sophie Tucker and we thought, that looks so fun.

What if we got paid to fly around the world and create parties for our friends?

Let's do it.

And a year later, we played three parties at Coachella.

And I have seen you, DJ.

It was so funny.

You DJ the boosties in New York.

Like you would.

Like, oh, her first gig in New York.

It's like a really cool club.

It's not like some hole in the wall.

You were amazing.

We had the best time.

I was hungover seriously for like a month.

I was hungover for a month.

It was so fun.

I'm so glad you came.

It was like, it was just so fun to look out and see all of my friends there.

It's just fun.

It's not that deep.

Like, I'm not having a midlife crisis as everyone online is suggesting.

Like, I literally just like having fun.

And I'm also a control freak.

So if I can control the music, and I also love attention.

So I'm like, obviously, if you're up there, people are taking your, yeah, it's like amazing chance to rock like really cute outfits.

You look so cute when I saw you.

Yeah.

I think when you explained it, it made a lot of sense.

Yeah.

And normalize like doing things that make you happy.

And also like just learning a new skill.

Like, I mean, you just ran a 5K.

I did.

Oh my God.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Congratulations again.

Like you decided, we talked about this last night, but like you decided you wanted to do it and you did it.

And there is actually no better feeling in the world than accomplishing something that you want to accomplish, like a 5K, like learning to DJ.

And it's really good for us, I think, as adults to do that stuff because we just get stuck in our routines and we're like, okay, I'll do what I'm good at.

But it's good to push yourself.

I completely agree.

Like it's all fun, I think, in your early 20s, but then like you really, and so many people are like shocked by the transformation I've made.

And Jackie had a lot of influence on it because she's always evolving and she's always trying to be a better version of herself.

And then really, like, it was like the first time I finished a book when I was like so anti-reading.

And then I was like, holy shit, I just read a whole fucking book.

Yeah.

You couldn't have paid me a million dollars in high school to read a book.

And you just feel honestly better than other people.

You do.

And you feel so good about yourself.

And it's like how you raise your confidence and your self-esteem.

And also, when I look at other people like Jackie, who are always evolving evolving and like bettering themselves, I'm like, that's so cool.

And like, that makes me like that person more.

So then I should want to do it as well.

And I think like, if you get so stuck in your race, like for me, I was like always afraid of change.

One, because like when, especially online, when people get used to a certain type of content from you.

Oh my God.

And my content was very like

young girl, not taking care of her body, partying so much,

not working out, not eating right and just general rotting, which is there's con and I was like, okay, well, that's what people have come to expect from me.

And I was kind of afraid if I evolve.

And I hate that.

that i hate when you know you get to a place in your influencing where you start making decisions in your personal life based on what people i think that's so i talk i it's literally

every person i meet who's like young jackie always calls me like the influencer mentor but i like that's like the probably the one piece of advice i like foist upon people like i was just at jake shanes i'm like you better not brooks cofield i was like literally lecturing her because you get to a place of course you do yeah you you do and you're like

i don't want to change this or like there's been things in my content where bye there's there's been things in my content where i'm like oh like they want this side of me so much but you're just different you're not there you're just not there anymore like that it's the same thing that I was saying like I'm not like in my studio apartment anymore like with no job you know making videos all day I I literally can't make that content anymore because I've changed and so that's like the influencer kind of cycle where you get super popular for just being relatable but then that popularity kind of elevates you to a place where you're not relatable.

You're making a lot of money.

You're wearing different things.

You're acting different things.

You're taking big trips.

And people come to resent that because you used to be just their friend.

And so how, what, what's your take on like, who makes it through that?

Like, how do you push through and who doesn't?

Okay.

So I feel like, yes, my life is super different now than when I started.

I was super young.

I was in college when I started.

And now, obviously, I live a different life, but on the inside, I'm exactly the fucking same.

Like I am seriously like a tacky ass bitch.

Like all my clothes are from Amazon.

Like I seriously,

I feel like, yes, everything on the outside has changed, but on the inside, girl, like I'm still like like such a rat.

Yeah, actually, I'm slippering vodka from the floor.

Like, no, totally.

I have not elevated it in a personal way on the inside.

I have elevated on the outside.

That's true.

And actually, that's kind of true for me, too.

Like, I'm still a slob.

Like, I'm still kind of a mess.

Like, I still love to party.

I'm still in the middle of the day.

You just have like a better plunge in your backyard.

Yeah, exactly.

You're doing it in better clothes.

I love that.

Well, speaking of clothes, mech gala.

So I want to do like a couple stories from the mech gala because obviously things are happening and Cardi B is getting in trouble.

So I don't know if you saw,

she was interviewed about her dress and she didn't know the name of the designer, which is kind of like a faux pas.

But then like what she said made it a lot worse.

So she was interviewed by Emma Chamberlain at the top of the carpet.

She said, Do you feel amazing?

Who made this dress?

And then Cardi B said, I feel amazing.

It's this amazing designer.

They're Asian and everything.

So yeah.

So not only like not knowing the designer is like really like a faux pas, I feel.

Just calling them like Asian when they're obviously probably so much more than that.

It's not okay.

And the thing is, this is like a cancelable offense, especially like like within fashion cardi b i feel is like uncancelable she's completely uncancelable i feel like she could say literally anything and she could just go on live and be like so anyway like i just like don't care and everyone will be like okay well it's cardi and i love that i yeah i think she has really carved out a niche for herself of i i'm jealous of her like unresponsibility like um i think she should probably apologize and be like this is the designer they are amazing i'm so honored that to have worn their dress right and for those who don't know like the way you get invited to the Met Gala is by a designer.

Like it's a whole partnership with celebrities and designers.

So it's really the night is more supposed to be about the designers than the celebrities.

It's supposed to be about, yeah, exactly.

So that makes this like 10 times better.

Because if you just raw dog a ticket, apparently it's $75,000.

Oh, yes.

And so there are people there who aren't celebrities.

There are people like patrons of the Met,

donors of the Met.

Can you imagine paying $75K for a ticket?

Yeah, like if money, like to a billionaire, $75K is like an $100 ticket for us.

That's actually true.

I would spend $100 to go like a billionaire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So love that for them.

Yeah.

And I wonder, like the tables are so and anna is known for her seating where it's like if you come with a date she separates you from her date right you have to like talk to other people

which sounds seriously like a nightmare i think i would actually have the worst time at the met gala like no i think i would too because it's so high stress and i get stress anyway even if like little ol' me does like a red carpet i get like literally the worst anxiety because it's stressful you don't know where to look it's so humiliating when like you do it and you're not sure if they're taking a photo of you or like they don't raise their hand for you you know whatever whatever so if if let's just say hell froze over and we went to the Metal Law, which by the way, like if they heard it, they knew what was good for them.

Yeah, you never know.

So I would be freaking out and then you go inside and you're not even seated with your date and you're wearing some huge dress.

You can't walk.

You're like sweating profusely.

Like I would definitely be sweating through whatever I was in.

100%.

And it would just be stressful.

And I don't know.

I just don't know what really goes down in there.

Well, so you and I were talking last night about how this Met Gala felt different for so many reasons.

One, there really felt like a lack of A-listers.

I don't know if it felt different for me because because i'm always in new york and like the city's a buzz right and i'm in la it's a different time i was running a 5k i'm like i don't care about these people um or if this one just felt like it lacked energy it just lacked i think that's a really good way to put it it lacked energy it just maybe it was because it was literally like sleeping beauty themed or whatever but like it was literally i was just kind of like it's just seemed a little bit like muted and then you know we had talked leading up to the event that a lot of controversy was that uh tick tock was a sponsor right and how that would affect and if there were tick tockers and there actually like weren't a lot of TikTokers, where were Charlie, Dixie, and Addison?

Like, I know, I'm shocked that they didn't go.

And where in the world was Britney Xavier?

I actually, I thought that was a great call on your part.

And I know you think Pookie should have been there.

And I agree with you.

So, Jackie was the one who said Pookie should have been there.

Fine, fine.

And Brittany Xavier actually DM'd me.

She was like, That's literally the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me.

No, I'm not going to the Met Gala.

And I was like,

She's such a good fashion TikToker.

I will say that, do you know who Wisdom K is?

He's a TikToker.

He's, he's so fashion-y.

And he went, it was his first Met Gala.

And he slayed on the red carpet wore this insane like custom outfit and he's to me like fashion on TikTok so I was very glad to see that they took him good and he just did such a good job his content is insane he deserved to be there and I think a part of the partnership and I have to it's not proof but Ariana Grande shared like four TikToks, which she never really does.

Okay.

And do you think that was it?

I think it was a part of the TikTok sponsorship.

TikTok had to get some sort of exclusive on their platform.

So Ariana Grande, I think, was forced, honestly.

And I think she probably wanted to too, but a part of her performance was that she had to post a four-part series on her TikTok of the performance.

We have never seen the inside of the Met Gala.

There's literally that one video of Balichella, Taylor Swift, dancing with Tom Hiddleston, like, and that's the getaway car moment.

No, totally.

And they didn't even do a bathroom selfie this year.

Right.

But this was the first time we saw like truly like the tables.

And I was like, trying to look at who's sitting with who.

Same, but I kind of hated it.

I was like, oh, it's literally just like...

It looks like charity.

It's like

a charity gala, like a normal one.

And I feel like a lot of people were worried that TikTok being the partner and like sort of exploiting might ruin the sanctity.

And I kind of felt like it did.

And I loved seeing Ariana's performance.

Like, you will when you believe her and Cynthia Arriva, like they are the Mariah and Whitney of our generation.

They are.

I was obsessed.

I need a high definition, not some janky ass iPhone footage.

Well, that, but that was the confusing part is I was like, if you're going to do it, do it.

Then do it.

Film her like

get a camera.

Get a good camera.

Get a good camera and a microphone.

So I don't know.

I like wasn't.

I kind of hated it.

Also, it's just so complicated with what's going on on TikTok in the government.

The fact that Vogue is or whatever, they're they're just like, yeah, we're, we're doing it.

The partnership was before like all the drama, but it does feel like sort of an endorsement from Vogue.

Yeah.

Which I feel like that wasn't her goal, but she needs the money.

But like, hey, Vogue, like Loki has no money.

I'm going to do it too for a check.

Of course.

I loved when they did the YouTube one.

I like the Derek Blasberg years and he got Nikki tutorials.

Loved, love, love.

Those were really good years.

I agree.

Those were really good years.

Now it's like the only companies that have that kind of money.

Literally, who else is that rich?

No, literally, it's Meta.

You know, who could do it?

It's like Amazon.

Like, imagine because Paige DeSorbo at the Met Gala.

I would die.

I would die.

No, you're right, by the way.

And Amazon's really into fashion.

Because I feel like Lauren Sanchez would like love that.

She was there, by the way.

And I'm surprised she hasn't sort of pushed Jeff to become the sponsor.

No, I'm telling you, this, I bet that that could happen.

I do feel like they have to draw a line somewhere.

And like, Amazon is so fast fashion.

It's like the opposite.

No, I know, but like, you know, like, TikTok is like random, like, misinformation for the list.

No, it's so true.

But honestly, I do feel like they have to draw the line it somewhere.

That would seriously be like HM sponsoring.

People wore H ⁇ M on the, on the H ⁇ M like now does high fashion.

But like, you know what I mean.

It would be like, I could see it.

Like

Shein.

I could see it.

That would be so crazy.

I would love it.

By the way, I have an Amazon storefront invite me.

By the way, same.

I love an Amazon Live.

Okay, so Cardi B is getting canceled.

But Pamela Anderson, everyone's talking about

she is like having this sort of

Pamisance.

I love that.

But everyone's talking about that she wore makeup.

Okay, I saw that.

I know.

And I was like, see, this is the thing.

It's just, it's hard, but I feel for her because I've, I change my mind all the time.

Normalize it.

All the time.

You changed my mind on something last night.

I can't remember what it was.

You just excited to be around.

I was like, no, I believe, I agree with you now.

That's also a thing about getting older is being really open to changing your mind.

100%.

And when you're younger, you're just so set in your own ways and you're just like, you think you're so right.

You think you're so right.

And now I'm like, oh, I learned new information.

I'll change my mind.

Whatever.

So I feel for her because I've said stuff online and then I've completely changed my mind about it.

And so, I mean, I don't blame her.

I would want to wear makeup to the Matt Gala too.

Of course, no.

And this is like very Alicia Keys coded.

Like, you get to a place where you want to make a statement.

Like, I'm not wearing makeup because seriously, the fact that I have to sit in glam for six hours and my husband rolls out of bed 30 minutes before is unfair.

It's an unfair beauty standard.

And like, they're trying to make a difference and make a change.

But sometimes you just want to look nice and it's okay to put on lipstick.

100%.

Alicia Keys, they made such a big deal of that whole thing.

I know.

And like.

Over the last couple of years, it's like she is wearing makeup.

She's wearing like a light mascara, an eyebrow gel, and perhaps like a little foundation.

It's not a big deal.

It's not a big deal.

Now people are like, well, you are wearing makeup.

It's like, you can't even say it because they're going to hold your feet to the fire.

So you're like, I think I see a lip gloss.

And if she had just showed up with no makeup one day, they would have asked her a million questions.

So she probably felt like she had to say.

Yeah.

It's like, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

You can't just ever just have a day where you're like, I don't feel like it.

What are your thoughts on like glam?

I think a lot of people are like, I could live without it.

Like, no, I love it.

I love glam.

I, I remember the first time I got in and I was like, I, I am pretty.

Like hardcore professional.

Yeah.

It's, it's actually so crazy.

It's like, it, it makes you feel so good.

It makes you have like a suit of armor

and that's why you can't compare yourself to people online like you seriously can't because it takes like hours of a professional artist like painting our faces.

And that's why you look good in photos.

100%.

But it's the best.

I love it.

Wait, I can't believe we've talked this long without talking about Channel Ford.

Oh my God, you brokered the influencer Pete Trinity of the century.

Well, because I was hanging out.

And by the way, I'm obsessed with her now.

And that's the irony is like she comes up like first on my stories.

I'm like, I'm obsessed with her life.

I know.

I'm obsessed with her clothes.

Like I'm obsessed with her hair.

She's just like, she has such good stories.

And so I was hanging out with you and she was DMing me and the story sounded familiar.

I feel like I remembered her telling me it like a year ago, but I have the worst memory.

And she was like, wait, what's the tea?

Like, did Tinks bring me up?

And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?

And then I was like, what the hell's going on?

And you guys like had beef.

You had her blocked.

I know, but I, hand to God, don't remember why.

So people on the internet said it was box theory.

Can you explain what that is?

Okay, box theory is my theory that when a guy meets a girl in a romantic setting he puts her into one of three boxes he either wants to date her he wants to hook up with her or he wants nothing to do with her okay the last one very easy you should know yeah and if you don't like seriously work on that work on that like where people get confused is between dating and hooking up and it's like you can't move from box to box so oh so like once you're in a box you're in a box yeah and so it's like you know what a good example would be if you

A good example is like in Sex and City.

Like I believe Carrie was never in big state box.

Like she was always in the hookup box, but she like strung out and like hung on to him for 10 years.

And like whatever.

But Carrie was always in Aiden State Box.

Like he wanted to, like, even after she cheated on him, he was like, I'm still down to date you.

So people just get confused about that.

But anyway, I don't, I literally don't remember what it was.

So I'm quick to block, by the way.

And I'm very open about.

Very Jack's Taylor of you.

I am.

I'm just like, you know what?

So I don't remember.

But anyway, I love her the most.

And so I was like, you two, like, you hated her, she hated you, but like for such a dumb, fake reason, you guys have never met.

And I just said, I said to both of you individually, I'm like, I need you to trust me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah i said shannon tinks is a girl like she's a girly girl like we could have a night with her like trust me when i'd say like this is your type of bitch and i said tinks the exact same thing and i said to both of you are you just willing to completely drop it like we don't need to work it out we don't need to apologize just like forget about it yeah you both said yes we had dinner in new york and was i right no you were beyond right and i'm just so grateful because i love her so much and you have really good instincts like you you know yes and i feel like you said with other people i have exactly like diet other people you have beeped with i've actually been like you know what i happen to know them and i don't don't think, not everyone's going to be friends.

Not everyone's going to be friends.

And that's totally fine.

So I wasn't going to, you know, die on that hill.

No, no, no, but it's good.

And it's important to trust your friends.

And also, that's another good thing about getting older is sometimes you're like, Ed, just drop it.

Like, it's so good.

It's better to be happy than right.

You know, I like, I literally have that mindset.

Like, I don't care.

Like,

I feel like you have so many like mantras.

I'm a big mantra girly.

What's like your mantra of the moment right now?

I need a mantra.

Oh my gosh.

I mean, my, my go-to one is always comparison is the thief of joy.

I love that.

It's just really good because it's like, I love it.

Anytime you're comparing yourself, and I have to remind myself of it all the time, like, especially with career stuff.

I'm like, if you compare yourself to other people, it will literally rob you of your joy.

You're not, you're not like doing analysis.

You're not getting ideas.

You're literally just comparing yourself and it will rob you of your joy.

And that's the same with like looking at how people look online or like, you know, being jealous of someone's looks, weight, all that shit.

It will rob you of your joy.

I love that.

That's my main one.

I love that.

I have a list.

I'll send them to you.

I really love matras.

Yeah.

Because

I don't have any.

That's like so not my thing.

And if I did, someone told me mantra, I would forget it.

Like, No, and I love that other one.

It's better to be happy than ripe.

That's a good one.

Or it's just like, let it go.

Jackie's like always saying stuff, like, bloom where you're planted.

I loved Jackie has a lot of good mantra.

I know she's so smart.

I'm trying to remember like what other one she taught me, but bloom where you're planted.

Another one.

I love it.

Is the grass is greener where you water it.

Lovely.

Which is really good as well because it's all just like just work on yourself.

Work on yourself.

Yeah.

Okay.

Next story.

Are you ready?

Oh, you're a big Bravo girly, right?

Huge.

So you, have you been following like a lot of the allegations about Andy?

Like he has a lawsuit.

Brandy Glenvin.

So he's talking about it.

He did a big

story and photo shoot with Hollywood Reporter.

I love the photos.

And the Bravo exec made declared that he has no regrets about the way he has handled things over the years.

He is facing sexual harassment accusations from former real housewives.

Here's what he said.

I think most people involved with these shows have been very grateful for the platform, but there will always be a few complaints.

He went on to say, obviously, it's been no fun to be a target.

He's called the recent claims about his behavior hurtful.

The 55-year-old wouldn't talk about the specific lawsuits for legal reasons, but he went on to explain how he maintains a positive mindset during the litigation.

He said, I think everything that happens in your life informs the next thing that happens in your life.

And that's the way I look at it.

I know that the truth, I know what the truth is, and I know how I've conducted myself.

And I walk tall every day on that.

Kind of love that.

I kind of love that.

I love Andy Cohen.

I love Bravo.

I think what he's created is

it's truly, like, I don't, I don't think that you, you were just saying this about something on the toast.

You You were like, you don't realize how big something is until it's like over or whatever.

And it's like, when we step back in, I don't know, 20 years and look at the empire that he created, look at all the effect he had on pop culture and reality TV.

Like, I don't think we understand the magnitude of it.

No, and like now reality is such a thing.

Netflix does every, and there are huge shows on other platforms.

It was Bravo.

It's the Bravo influence.

It's the Bravo influence.

It's an entire universe.

There's BravoCon.

There's Bravo Lebridities.

Like, it is.

Have you been to BravoCon?

No, I am Dynigo.

It's the craziest thing I've done.

And like, actually, if you're a die-hard Bravo fan, it is so worth the money because his tickets are expensive.

But like, the way like they're, everyone's just walking around.

It's not.

Oh, sure, it's insane.

It's not like everyone's backstage.

They are just walking around.

I want to go.

It's literally like so fun.

I'm dying to go.

And I kind of love how he's handled this.

I think a lot of us are like watching and waiting, being like, is this going to be the end of Andy?

But to be honest.

If you actually had something to hide, you wouldn't do, first of all, like a sit-down interview, addressing it.

So this always, that's how I felt about Sasha Baron Cohen and Rebel Wilson.

Like, right, he came out fucking swinging.

He was like not taking these allegations lightly.

And I feel like when people just sort of huddle and go away, it's like, oh, you're guilty.

Right.

Exactly.

And so, like, coming back, punching, and then, like, with Rebel Wilson in the UK, her book actually had to have pages redacted.

Right.

I'm like, oh, maybe like she was lying.

Like, right.

Or maybe her truth isn't the truth.

That happens a lot.

There's always three sides to it.

Yeah.

And I think that when you deal with so many

people

who have huge personalities and egos who you've decided their fate quote unquote if they're on TV and not on TV yeah

and you're gonna be a target regardless yeah like it's

it's it's gonna be there's you know but I like how he's handling it too me too and he talks about it a lot in his books especially like the early ones when he was really involved in casting I feel like he's not so much anymore um how like the husbands would would call when yes when he when he would fire a housewife because like these families like the men quit their jobs they started managing the wives and it it was like a year or two before they got and they would literally call andy like begging screaming crying throwing up and it was kind of like heartbreaking so there's a lot riding on on a housewife and i think when they become successful and then that gets like pulled out from underneath them the whole family is affected is affected totally and it's you like you get a taste of fame you have this good life you're connected and then it just all comes crumbling down but it's like it's not just him no and i feel like he's probably in a really difficult and unfair position because he's everybody thinks that it's like literally him going yes no yes no, but it's not.

It's like hundreds of people who are deciding this and like high up, whatever.

As a woman who supports other women, women, what is your take on like the argument that like Housewives has been so bad for women?

Like, I feel like Gloria Steinem went on like some sort of soapbox and a lot of people, it's just like, you know, women fighting and looking stupid online.

Like, what is your take on that?

Because I vehemently disagree with it.

I vehemently disagree.

And I actually think that it has

spread light on the lives of women after a certain age or after they get married.

And this is, by the way, something that I've always been obsessed with.

Even when I was a little girl, I used to look at women, I used to look at the moms and I'd be like, which ones are happy and which ones are not?

And I like, you know, to our conversation before, I think women have a much more complicated relationship with aging and life than men do.

And I think that real housewives has really shown that.

And it's, it's been informative and it's been a jumping off discussion point for so many women out there going, okay, oh my gosh, like, like take even cheating, for example if women other women can see oh this beautiful like rich lady got cheated on yeah it's not my fault or whatever it's just like it's really been illuminating yep and i i think it's i i i'm obsessed with it and you'd love to see like a 60 year old famous woman a hundred we'd love to see teresa judice at coachella meeting taylor swift 3000 by the way i met her too and taylor no oh teresa oh my god my heart did you Did you see my heart just fucking stopped?

I know.

Oh, by the way, what did you think?

She was so pretty and so nice.

She's very pretty.

We were like at John Summit and she was like,

she was like having the best time, like making out with her husband, like looked so pretty and was like, hi.

And I was like, oh, you guys can add this to the list of Claudia's favorite stories.

But I think one of my favorite things to cite is like a million years ago, Melissa came on the toast and she was like, you guys don't understand.

Like before housewives, like I was an actual housewife.

I just woke up every day, like made my kids lunch, drove them to school, like didn't have a job, waited for my husband to come home, made dinner.

And this like completely liberated me.

I'm a businesswoman now.

Like, yes, now I have, you know, my kids are older, but I'm also not responsible like nine to five for their every totally.

And the way she put it, it was like, oh my God, yeah.

Like this is a job for them.

And a lot of these women who have been married for a long time and have settled into the role of housewife, which is a completely valid way of life, but they sometimes want more.

Like the way she explained it, like gave me chills.

I was like, yes.

No.

And she's like, I'm out every night.

I, I love her, by the way.

She's so lovely.

And I think it's also really important for women to see that you can have different chapters.

And exactly as you said, just because you decided you you wanted to stop working when you had your kids that doesn't mean that you can't pick up a new project when your kids are off to college or you whatever you just wake up one day and you decide you want something new like and this show has shown that you don't have to just give up and just like fade into the darkness and i love it and that's why like new york like ogs will always be my favorite franchise because i just relate to the women the most and i also just think like to see these women and everything that they've gone through like women just go through shit man that's so true when you sit back and think of like sonia morgan's life sonia morgan's life like Luann, Pimona, like just like all of the shit that they've been through, but yet they keep showing up and like they do show up for each other.

And I'm, I'm sorry, like, I, I literally will defend housewives forever.

No, same.

Let me ask you a question.

And I feel like this is just like kind of a limits test, like, if we're going to be best friends forever.

Back in the day when it was like Bethany V.

Jill, whose team were you on?

Were you jill?

I'm not going to say until you say.

This is not a cop-out answer.

I was just like so sad because I truly didn't get what the fight was about.

Nobody did.

And like, when I think about Bethany and Jill, I think about them in like season two or three getting it, both being in Jill's bed in the Hamptons.

And I think about like that being, I'm like, that's girlhood.

Goals for friendship.

Yeah.

And I was just like, they were such good friends.

And even when they did the Bethany's pod recently, I was like, you guys, like, I don't, I still don't even get what the fight is about.

It's the dumbest shit ever.

I will say, at the time, I was so ride or die for jill like i just saw myself in jill honestly she was like this new york jewish girl i during covet i recently like i re-watched it and it wasn't as black and white like honestly and then i became so obsessed with bethany um in the carol years i can't believe that she broke up with i know i'm dead by that why i don't know that was so crazy i don't know i i honestly love both of them like that's truly not a cop out and i i like wish i thought i hoped and wished that after they did um Bethany's pod, they would like rekindle and be friends.

I do feel like it's over.

Like it's never going to happen.

And I think that's actually okay.

I know.

I think maybe they're in such different places now that if they were friends, like it wouldn't be as magical.

No, totally.

But that, that, like, I,

I basically only re-watch Housewives.

Like, I don't really watch new shows.

I, I just re-watch old ones.

And, like, that's my most comforting ones is when they were just like, and it's just like, Jill was so comforting to her because she was like still single and she was going through it.

And, like,

that just, no, those were the days.

Those were the days.

Those were the days.

I agree.

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um okay are you following drake and kendrick lamar beef so i got back from my miami trip and i did spend four hours trying to get to the bottom of it it is very complex okay like i literally don't get it and the allegations are like really bad heinous so i feel like stressed talking about it because i'm like if any of them are at all true there's like pedophilia there's wife hitting exactly a lot of bad stuff so it's like everyone's like making all these jokey tick tocks about it and i'm like but is this true because like this is so bad no no and it's literally been taken to a next level where someone was shot at drake's home.

His security guard was shot and he was really badly injured.

He's still alive.

Thank God.

And now it's like not fun anymore.

Like I don't want to make TikToks about it.

Like seriously, grow up.

No.

What are you doing?

This is like you're shooting each other?

That's insane.

It's insane.

Insane.

And Justin Sylvester had the best take because I was asking him before the show.

He didn't say this on the show.

I was like, are you following the beef?

He's like, honestly, no.

And like, I can't keep up.

And he's like, honestly, like, I so prefer.

to watch girls fighting than guys.

He's like, this doesn't do it for me.

I'm like, actually, I completely agree.

If this was two women, like the way I would know everything and I would be making the TikToks and I'd be doing episodes about it, like, seriously, grow up.

It's for the girls.

Yeah, like, it's for the girls.

I was like, it's giving me the ick.

Yeah, it's giving me the ick.

Like, please stop.

And I hope everything is not true.

I hope you're just like.

No, and it's like they're slinging really low insults.

And now someone's been shot.

And so for me, like, I'm out.

I'm out.

I agree.

I think that's a good.

I think we leave it here.

Yeah.

Like, I was already out with the pedophilia.

And, like, this is such a serious accusation.

And you're singing about it.

No, it's like, why are you singing about it?

That's so serious.

And now.

And, like, making rhymes about like A minor.

I was like, this is outrageous.

No, no, and it's like, if you know something, like, if you see something, say something.

So, you've been sitting on this information and instead of, oh, I don't know, calling the police, you're writing a song about it.

Like, seriously, I'm out.

You're like, what rhymes with pedophilia?

I'm like, this is serious.

I'm out,

but I'm so happy the security guard's okay.

Thank goodness.

And seriously, like, stop it.

Stop.

That's, I'm not, I'm not even contributing more to the story.

And we're like, so behind.

I still have one more story.

And this is perplexing me because it's not like the craziest, you know,

career progression.

Travis Kelsey is being cast in some sort of project.

I saw that.

But it's Ryan Murphy's grotesquerie.

So he's working on a Ryan Murphy project.

Like him going into acting feels very natural.

It's not a big deal.

But I feel like, not to bring everything back to Taylor and Kim, but like Ryan Murphy is very much like Kim's territory.

I know.

I know.

What does it mean?

What does it mean?

I don't know what it means.

I think.

Yeah, I think it was, he was always bound to go into acting.

Yeah.

You know, he just can't wait to get his hands on it.

He's got such a big personality.

Totally.

And he's in this place.

Like, I'm so jealous of Universal.

He's believing it.

He can do whatever he wants.

And he's going into acting, which obviously makes sense.

And I'm sure everybody wants to go into acting.

You know, as a content creator, like, have there been, do you get like random auditions for stuff?

I have a few auditions and it was like so humiliating.

Okay, there was one.

There was one we did where I, we, my entire team thought I was going to get it.

It was like for some random, like, I think I was like Australian in it or something.

Oh, no.

It was so bad.

I, if I ever want to like completely cringe myself out, I re-watch the the tape.

Like, couldn't be more embarrassing.

Like, so awful.

But anyway, famous last words, but literally everybody wants me an actor.

Like, even if you're at the top of your game in something else,

they're all like Harry Styles wants me an actor.

Like, someone's coming to you.

You're literally.

Taylor Swift.

She was in that movie.

Literally, like, you're the best football player in the world.

Like, why would you?

I'm sure that I'm going to get in trouble.

Sorry, I know that.

No, he's the best tight end.

He's the best tight end.

Most highest paid.

I know that.

I'm getting into sports.

Why?

I don't know.

I will say.

I don't think it's that fun.

I know.

And like the, like you said, like the self-taping and like the things you have to do, the auditions, like it's humiliating.

I always tell this story, but like literally a million years ago when I first started influencing, I was like all about SVU, SVU, and there was a influencer role.

And I didn't get it, but I seriously worked so hard on the audition.

And it was in-person audition, which was one of the worst experiences of my life.

So different that you think it's awkward filming yourself going into that.

Oh my God.

And seriously, the episode plays all the time.

I know the monologue by heart.

And like not getting it is seriously one of the most devastating things that's ever happened to me.

Yeah.

No, it's it's tough.

I like I would like to do it.

Okay.

See, I'm already turning.

I'm already changing my mind.

Like I would like to do a little cameo.

Yeah.

I would love to be cast in something where I played an influencer where they don't make me audition.

That always happens to me.

Like I keep getting like they're like, they're casting an influencer and they want a real influencer.

Yeah.

And I literally just did one the other day.

I really want to get into like voiceover because obviously I'm a podcaster.

Yeah.

And I actually booked like a huge Disney Plus show.

It got canceled.

Like seriously, I went and I did all the work.

I'm that's so upset.

I played a character, like seriously, and the show got canceled.

It never never even made it onto the platform.

I was so fucking upset.

Lurie crying in the bathtub.

And then the other day I got another one.

It was like an influencer in this sort of, and seriously, like.

I kind of loved it.

VO is so different than acting.

100%.

And I totally understand why people at the top of their game in acting get into voiceover work because it's so much less physical work.

You don't have to show your face.

And it's so much money if you get in on one of those franchises.

I would love to do it.

I would love to voice like a cartoon cat or something.

Oh, I'm so glad you brought that up.

I know.

I knew we were going to have to talk about this eventually.

I actually forget about it because I tried to like not think about it.

About me being a cat person.

Like we are just so similar on so many things.

I know, but like honestly.

And I'm going to your house later and I meant to tell you.

They're going to be locked away.

You won't see them.

I don't seriously start crying.

I know.

I know.

Are you, is it a fear?

Petrified.

They're going to be locked away.

You won't see them.

But I do feel like some cat representation on the toast is important.

Just yesterday's episode, I actually think like Brooks Schofield was offended at my reaction.

I was just like shocked when she said she had a cat.

I know you're such a dog person.

I'm such a cat person.

I'm not even such a dog person.

I'm such an anti-cat person.

And that's what you are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Exactly.

Whereas, like, there's the meme that's like, cat people are always like, yeah, I mean, I like dogs too.

They're nice.

Yeah.

And then a dog person is like, one time a cat murdered my whole family.

And it's like,

no, but you're right.

The good morning meowillennials, which is what they call themselves, like they never get like their shine.

Stop.

Yeah.

Good morning meowennials.

I feel like that's you.

That's me.

So please, I'll be quiet and you maybe just like wax on about how being a cat mom is amazing because I always I drag on them.

Like it's not, it's not fair.

It's nice.

We're low-key.

We need to do less work.

It's very easy.

It's a lot less work.

Anyway, I would love to be a cartoon cat.

I would love to do it, but like it just is so confusing to me.

Like if you're the best in your game, why pivot to acting?

I think, do you think that actors are the most respected of all the celebrities like before singers?

No, maybe.

Because I think singers,

let me ask you a question.

If you could be doing something else, because I always say like whenever I go on tour, like I would would seriously so much rather be going out for singing.

Like, I just love to sing.

My dream, if I could be anything in the world.

You're a good singer.

Right.

And my dream is to be a pop star.

And like, if I, if I had to do another career, like, I would seriously try and be a singer.

Like, I would try and crack the music industry.

What would you be doing if I wasn't doing this?

Yeah.

I would love to be a therapist.

Interesting.

I would love that.

Yeah.

I would love to be.

But do you think you could like seriously keep your mouth shut?

Cause you love to gossip.

I know.

I love to gossip, but I know I would.

That attorney client privilege.

I know.

I'm a Virgo.

I'm a good secret keeper.

I would love that.

It would just make me feel so happy and I'd be so interested and I'd get so invested in like helping people and like clear their problem.

Like, I just, I love that.

So I think that would be really cool.

That's a good answer.

Yeah.

Is that your dream job?

Like, it's not my dream job.

I think my dream job would be

to run like a...

There's so many dream jobs.

And I think I'll do different iterations of them.

Like, not to trigger you, but I would love to do like

a rescue center for cats.

Like, I would love to run it.

And I'll open one up right across the street.

It's a rescue center for dogs.

Yeah, no, but like, by the way, dogs are welcome in mine.

I know the same as dogs.

Cats are not welcome in my facility.

That's 100% true.

I would love to be like a sommelier and like learn about wine and food.

Or like, I don't know.

There's a million jobs that I think

I'm honestly like pretty adaptable, but I love my job.

It's my favorite job I've ever had.

Same.

And me and Jackie always say, like, when your current job is your dream job, like, how lucky are we?

We're very lucky.

No, it's not.

Although I would love to run a summer camp one day.

Oh, that's so fun.

I love that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And like, did you go to camp?

No.

No, because I grew up in England.

And you don't have an accent.

No, I know.

My parents are American.

Got it.

And so you growing up in London, camp is not a thing.

It's not a thing.

We used to come to America in the summers and we would live at my grandparents' house in Florida.

So like I am a big Florida girl.

I thought that that was all of America.

It was like in Naples, Florida.

I was like, yeah, but so.

Honestly, what more do you need?

What more do you need?

I would like bring back Abercrombie from like, you know, and he's wearing Abercrombie.

Literally.

It was, it was funny.

But so I did know about America when I was living there, but we just, we didn't do camp.

Damn.

I feel like you so would have been a camp girl.

I love because I love and like, I love girlhood at its essence.

A controlled environment.

Like, I love a social

110%.

I would have loved it.

So many firsts happen for girls at camp.

Like, first kiss, I put my first camp on in.

Like,

seriously, I.

And I love that chip.

And I think you would be, like, you're such a kind of like low-key, even though you're like very glam.

Like, I could see you, like, thriving in a bunk setting, like doing the girls' eyeliners, flattening their hair.

Like,

I kind of like wish you went to camp.

No, same.

I would love it.

Because you want to know what it is?

I just put it together.

You kind of feel like my camp friend.

Thank you.

Okay, yes.

Someone we have old memories together.

And like, I don't see you all the time, but when we do, it's like the classic.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Honestly, maybe we'd bring back Camtoast only if you would come.

I was going to say I would a thousand percent come.

I would love it.

Camp toast was so funny.

I love like a trip.

Like I love, that's why I loved Mexico so much is like I love the memories from it.

Like I always make a list of like the private joke from every group trip that I do with my friends, we have a list of private jokes so that I remember them all.

Like I love that shit.

You're so good about like writing things down, I feel.

Yesterday I asked you something, you were like I have them all written down.

I am a very good person.

You're You're a demon night person.

Oh, demon night.

Yeah, because I was saying that I had a demon night.

You know, one of those nights where like truly your soul leaves your body and you become awful.

It's not like sloppy drunk.

It's not like, oh, I'm tired.

It's not beer tears.

You become a demon.

Yeah, like you're still fully functioning.

You're just an awful fucking person.

You're an awful, annoying, rude, awful, bad person.

I had one on Sunday night, like the worst, one of the worst demon nights that I've ever had.

And I was saying that I wrote down my memories because I do know even when I'm at full demon activated, I know that I'm blacking out.

So I write down my things.

That's big of you.

Yeah.

I've always had this dream to do an art show of all of my blackout notes because I also have videos.

I used to make my videos in college and it was just like me being like, you hooked up with this guy.

And I would do an art show where it was like all of them.

And if you stand in front of them, it would be me reading them.

It would like, I'm obsessed.

Isn't that good?

Like, okay, galleries hit me up.

Okay, gallery girls.

Did you ever watch gallery girls?

Of course I watched Gallery Girls.

Oh my God.

One of the best shows ever.

And now all of those shows are on Peacock.

So like NYC Prep people are watching.

Did you watch NYC Prep?

I burn, I pine, I perish.

Like, I love NYC Prep.

I actually just read an article about Where Are They Now.

I know, it's kind of sad.

I know.

For that one girl.

That was like, I was just obsessed with that show.

That was not real.

That was the best type of reality TV.

And being in high school in New York City while that show was on, I was like, this is not real.

It's amazing.

No.

And like, I grew up in like a normal house.

I'm like, how are these kids?

Like, where are their parents?

I was like, this is not real.

Like, I,

they definitely tried to emulate it like after gossip girl.

For sure.

Maybe a Blair or Serena.

I'm a Blair.

Okay, good.

I'm not annoying.

Yeah, thank you.

I'm not a pick-me with too much hair.

You are not.

Do you ever watch the OC?

That's why I moved to America.

I'm so not, I'm, I'm being so serious.

Like, I watched the OC and I watched Laguna Beach a lot in high school.

And I was like, I am living a very different life to these people.

I want to go where they are.

I want to drive a convertible and go get Froyo with them all.

Like, I want this so.

I went to an all-girls school with a uniform and it was a British school.

Yeah, yeah.

So it looked like a dungeon.

Like I wore a brown uniform, like just no boys, like no, no, nothing.

And I would come home and I was like, also pale as a ghost because I lived in England.

And I would look at these girls and Kristen would be like, stammer and like wearing her little choker.

And I was like,

I was like, I need to go to California and reinvent myself.

And there, there, Tinks was born.

And there, there she was.

And last question for you.

Did you watch Desperate Housewives?

You've never seen it?

I never watched it.

Wait, by the way, like, that's amazing that that's in your future.

I know.

Okay, because I know you, you've

will fucking love it.

I think I'll love it.

I know, I don't know why, I don't know why I didn't watch it.

It's on Hulu.

Okay, perfect, done.

I love that journey for you.

And you could do like a million episodes about it.

Like, I know you're in your Sex in the City rewatch era and you're doing a lot of podcasts on it, which I, Jackie and I were saying, we love that the young kids are watching Sex in the City because they didn't hold punches.

It wasn't like, oh, you're feeling sad.

Let me validate your feelings.

Like, Sex in the City is very tough love energy.

And the generation, Gen Z currently needs that.

They need that.

So I feel like you could do a lot with Desperate Housewives.

I'm done.

I mean, I could could think you could write a whole book seriously on Tom and Lynette.

Like, fuck Tom.

I'm excited.

I feel like podcasting with you was even better than I imagined.

No, I can't believe I was nervous.

It feels like a dream.

And now we're going to do your show.

We're all warmed up.

We're all warmed up.

I can't wait.

I'm going to Tinks's house.

Yeah, that's right.

I'm going to Tinks's house.

I'm going to try Spritz.

You're going to try Spritz.

And I just can't wait to see like what the coolest girl on the planet, like where she lives.

I know.

I know.

I'm scared.

You guys, make sure to follow Tinks on all social media platforms.

I'm sure you already do.

On Instagram, it's at me tinks or just tinks.

It's just tinks on everything.

Oh my God, she's so cool.

She has a nickname.

I don't know.

Instagram to get that.

No, and it's the coolest thing on the planet.

Like, I, you know, I'm obsessed with nicknames.

And I'm getting to a place where, seriously, I'm going to change all my usernames to Turtle.

I know.

I was like, should I?

Would you?

I'm like, I'm not over a girl with no drink.

No, I know, but that's so iconic.

I know, but it's like, does anyone have Turtle?

I don't know.

Honestly, before I put up this episode, I am going to.

You need to check.

Yeah.

Obsessed.

So follow Tinks everywhere.

Listen to her show on SiriusXM.

You do, how many episodes a week?

I do three shows a week.

And there's two live shows in that.

One live show, two pre-recorded.

And you can call in, get advice from Big Sis Tinks.

So the show is called It's Me Tinks.

The show is called It's Me Tanks.

And if you don't have SiriusXM, you can listen to it as a podcast.

Of course.

Thank you so much for being here.

I love you so much.

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