The Guy On The Chiefs: Monday, November 13th, 2023

1h 11m
  1. Taylor Swift Eras Tour in Argentina Recap (22:37)
  2. 2024 Grammy Nominations (43:15)
  3. Kylie Jenner supports beau Timothee Chalamet at 'Saturday Night Live' afterparty (Page Six) (53:00)
  4. Nicki Minaj regrets her plastic surgery: 'I was fine just the way I was' (Page Six) (58:44)
  5. Krispy Kreme giving out a free dozen donuts today for World Kindness Day (NY Post) (1:04:33)


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Good morning, Millennials.

Wappy Monday, where we have such

a fucking disgustingly important job to do today.

Which is what?

Karma is a guy on the Chiefs coming straight home to me.

It's true.

We do.

That is all

coming within the show.

That's really all.

It's hard to pick stories when like there's the one story and then there's the other four.

Check it.

I feel sick.

Why do you feel sick, Latourde?

I feel sick because I am sick.

I'm coming down with a cold.

So if I feel nas, if I sound nasally or angry, that's why.

Give us a little sticky shoes, would you?

My sticky, sticky shoes.

You know, it hasn't gotten to that level yet.

Like right now,

it's sort of coming down.

Throughout the night, I was like feeling myself get sicker and sicker.

It was really kind of a dreadful, a dreadful evening of sleep.

So I'm just kind of on one today.

I've had a morning.

Ooh, I love when Jackie's on one.

You think you're gonna punch a CVS checkout machine?

If there was one in sight,

pow pow.

It's on.

It's on.

I'm throwing hands.

I love that.

Yeah.

No, it was rough.

And then also, like, I get really bad scalp pain.

You ever get that?

Like, when, oh, I don't know.

And I don't wash my hair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So my hair was looking gorgeous.

So I was like, you know what?

Let me get myself Monday with my hair in the show and then I'll wash it Monday night.

But in the middle of the night, it was just hurting so much.

Let's talk about that.

What was that?

I don't know.

And it hurts like even more postpartum.

So when Charlie like woke up at 6.30 to feed, I was like, I have to get up and wash my hair right now because I'm in so much pain.

So then my day started at 6.30 with washing my hair.

And then I wound up like falling back asleep at like 7.30.

It was just, and then I was, and then I was like woke up late and in a rush and had to pump.

And it was.

just not my morning.

There's no claim this morning.

There are so many things about girlhood that like are so unfair, like periods.

I feel like we talk about the obvious ones, childbirth, like why can't a man do that?

We don't talk enough about the scalp pain.

Like, what is that?

I don't know.

It's like your nerve endings.

And I guess my scalp is like extra tender right now.

I mean, it was a long time since I washed my hair.

Sure.

Who cares?

But it shouldn't, I should have gotten this extra day.

I shouldn't have had to get up at 6 a.m.

to wash my hair because that's how much pain I was in.

Well, you look great.

Thanks.

Well, then I was like, didn't have time to dry my hair.

So it's in a slick back bum, but you never know.

You look great.

I love when you're in a mood.

I feel like it's usually me.

So I will be, you know, the jacks today and you will be the clerd.

Well, now that I'm in the chair, like I'm, it's all done and I'm good and we can go forth with the show, but just like getting to this chair was harder than usual today.

You know when Mean Girls, when Katie Herron is like so mad and Regina says, put it in the book?

Yeah.

Put it in the chair.

Yeah.

But no, like now I'm fine.

Right.

No, you know.

The chair heals all.

Yeah.

I just had to get to the chair, but the getting to the chair, i did not fare so we have so much to talk about today when it comes to pop culture but we also have so much to talk about today when it comes about us when it comes to us because like we are important and we are busy you know yeah is this me you wanting me to ask you like how are you what's new with you what do you want to talk about if you

if you wanted to ask about me because i kind of had like a crazy busy weekend Okay, Claudia, how are you doing?

What's new with you?

How was your weekend?

It was so busy.

Oh my God.

It was like jam-packed.

Friday night, you were still here.

I hosted my very first family Shabbos at my home.

It was amazing to have just everyone there except for Olivia.

She was dearly missed.

But everyone in New York at my home.

I feel like it was great.

It was great.

Ben cooked a gorgeous meal.

The kids were there.

Like it was just, it was really, what's the word?

It filled my cup.

Beautiful.

And then I had a super early morning on Saturday because I went to Atlanta for the UGA, not Atlanta.

I'm sorry.

I keep saying that.

Athens for the UGA Ole Miss game.

I was there doing an event with Estee Lauder.

And I don't do a lot of like events on college campuses and I don't feel like we're like huge like with college students.

I just feel like they're a little young.

So I was like expecting like, you know, like 12 people to show up and like whatever.

Oh my God, Jackie, we have to move to Georgia.

Okay.

The toast is huge, huge in Georgia.

I love that.

They, everybody came out.

It was so much fun.

It really, really put into perspective for me like how much I missed out on like a traditional college experience.

You know, it looked so fun.

Yeah.

Like this small town that when you were driving through was so charming, like these houses.

And I just know that like, you know, professors live there and they have like, you know, dinner parties for their students.

Like it was so collegiate.

And there was a big football game, which was even more collegiate because everybody was wearing the colors and alumni came in and it was just so cute.

Like it was this whole life that I never had.

Yeah.

And what's the anti-Semitism like on that college campus?

I'm so glad you brought it up because obviously it was top of mind for me.

I was like, what are, what is everybody doing here to battle anti-Semitism?

And I didn't really think that there would be like a lot of Jewish students, but I think maybe all of them came to the meeting greet

because they were like, it's been amazing.

The

president of the school, the dean or whatever, like immediately put out a statement being like, shut that shit down.

We're not going to be one of those schools.

So they really haven't had, you know, knockwood, many incidents, you know, no hate crimes and, you know, no swastikas drawn on the side of a building.

So I felt good, you know, supporting a school like that.

And they all were like, it's been, you know, really comforting here.

And the toast has been buoying me.

So it was really, honestly, fabulous.

Like, I have no complaints.

That's so nice.

So it was University of Georgia.

Yes, UGA.

Okay, so like add it to the go dogs.

Oh, yeah.

Noah, that I know.

So add it to the list of safe schools for Jews.

And so it's a very short list, but it's an important one.

Yeah.

So UGA turdy approved.

It was just fabulous.

And there were so many, they were just like nice girls.

Like, I just loved it.

And then I had to rush home because yesterday i went out to livingston new joycy to see my favorite human being on earth mark schoenwetter the holocaust survivor i met last year um so this time of year they do this thing called journey for the living where in the month of november everybody tries to walk 15 miles because on one very cold november night in poland many many years ago mark his sister and his mom walked 15 miles in the middle of the night to get to a ghetto because they thought the ghetto was going to be like this like their only option for safety it wasn't but it was a part of his journey in this long very cold night um

and so we walked yesterday in new jersey we didn't walk 15 miles because you know it was cold and whatever she is who she is we walked a mile and a half you know we started our journey to 15 miles are you gonna complete the 15 miles this week i'm gonna try i'm gonna try Cool.

So it was just fabulous to hang out with Mark and I got to have lunch with him afterwards and it was just, it was a fabulous day.

So that's why I didn't even go to the game in Georgia.

I literally flew in the morning and then out at five o'clock so i could get back to jersey so it's kind of like such a busy weekend you know yes it was a busy weekend i came home i had like a nice homesteading day yesterday cooking up a store made of chili so good so good i've really really perfected my personal brand of chili it's

it's a chilly day It was a chilly day.

We had the game on, the games, you know, there was Frankfurt happening.

I watched the games as well.

And And the Cowboys played.

I know.

The Jets played and lost.

Did the Cowboys win?

I don't know.

I didn't watch, but I did watch the Jets go another game, Jackie, without scoring a single touchdown.

Whoa, zero.

Did they get a kick in?

So the last couple of games, they've scored like X amount of points, and every single one of them has been a field goal.

God.

Okay, so it wasn't zero on the scoreboard.

And this season, this is what they said on TV last night, 50% of the points scored for the Jets have been field goals.

Well, you know what?

Let's look on the bright side.

Their kicker must be feeling really good about himself.

Aaron Rodgers did say his goal is to come back by mid-December.

And he says, I know that's crazy, but when you have a great surgeon and a great patient, anything is possible.

I love that optimism.

And it actually is a great segue for me to talk about the fact I had a great surgeon.

I was a great patient when I was pregnant.

And Dr.

Fox, I'm on his podcast again today.

And this episode is all about my pregnancy.

So the last one was all about me, your girl, introducing myself, life story.

And this one is all about my birth story and my pregnancy story.

So his podcast is called The Healthful Woman Still.

We are all kind of like helping Dr.

Fox in a potential rebrand, but I like the name.

And you can because

I like it.

And he didn't go for what does the fox say?

He wasn't about that.

Okay, well, he's wrong for that.

So you can listen to me today on The Healthful Woman.

It's all about my story.

And also, like, you know, we get the experts' opinion about what was going on.

And it was- It was crazy, OV.

It was crazy to relive it.

I've literally forgotten about it.

It feels like so long ago.

I feel like that's natural, right?

Like you

black out traumatic times, like once they're over.

Natural for people or natural for me.

People.

Well, everybody handles hard times differently.

It's, you know, hard times are more personal than comedy, more personal than food.

More personal than insurance.

So true.

But yet also just like, I feel like in pregnancy in general, you kind of forget how hard it is.

It's like your body's way of getting you ready for the next one.

So true.

Are you ready for the next one?

I am not.

I am on hiatus.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm not ready for the next one either.

Like Theo's just kind of keeping me very, very busy.

Yeah.

Yeah, we're on hiatus.

We're taking a break.

Yeah.

So so much went on this weekend, like obviously in our personal lives, but also in the world as well.

I feel like it's going to be one of those things where it's like, do you remember where you were when you saw the kiss and the chiefs?

Like, I remember where I was.

I was watching Gossip Girl, which I've made a lot of headway in.

I'm now at the Georgina episodes.

And, like, I want to turn it off.

Like, when Vanessa came in, I was like, oh my God, I forgot about this annoying wench.

Like, she kind of made me want to like stop, but not enough.

Honestly, I feel like I disliked her more as a child.

Like, she's definitely weird and inappropriate with a man, with a boy who has a girlfriend.

Yeah, like, she's not a bad person.

She's actually like kind of a moral compass, if you will.

I don't know if that changes, but she's a good person.

She is a bit of a moral compass of the show, but she makes like being a moral compass like so dreadful.

Yeah.

But with Georgina, oh my, Ben, like, we can't watch it.

And then it really got us talking about the trajectory of Michelle Trachtenberg's career and how criminally underrated and underbooked Michelle Trachtenberg is.

She is an incredible actress.

Like the way she's so fucking evil, like where you feel it in your bones, you're like, this fucking bitch.

Like, she's such a, what happened to her?

Right, but she also is the ice princess.

And get you a girl who could do both.

Sweet as sugar.

Sweet as sugar in the ice princess, but she's also

Harriet the Spy.

Of course.

So

said Michael.

She just has a really diverse portfolio.

And I feel as though she's super, super talented.

Where in the world is Michelle Trachtenberg?

Let's check her IMDb.

Maybe she's, you know, been doing indie movies.

But the thing is, like, she is a world-class talent.

Like, she needs to be booking, she should be an Oppenheimer.

Like, that's how talented she is.

Yeah, I do agree with that.

Honestly, she really hasn't worked in a while.

Don't forget about 17 again.

Really good movie.

Oh, my God.

I forgot she was in 17 again.

And Euro Trip.

Yeah, Ben was like, I know her from Euro Trip.

And I was like, I know her from Ice Princess.

But what I also know her from that not enough people talk about is there was like a brief period in high school where I was obsessed with the Knicks because like I just wanted like attention and I like got really into it.

I went to a lot of games.

I knew all the players and there was a player on the Knicks called Danilo Galinari.

And he was probably the most handsome man to ever walk the world.

He was Earth.

He was Italian.

He was just not like other players, you know, he was so handsome and he was like really good.

And he became this New York like socialite almost because he wasn't, you know, world renowned.

But in New York, we loved him.

And he very briefly dated Michelle Trachtenberg.

And it was this iconic moment in pop culture.

They broke up.

He got traded.

I did actually meet him like two years ago at the Faena Hotel in Miami.

Like, I don't think anybody knew who he was.

And I was dying.

We have a picture together.

I was dying for meeting Danella Gallinari.

Like I was obsessed with this man.

And not enough people talk about the very brief, you know, kind of shooting star moment where he dated Michelle Trachtenberg, Georgina.

Yes.

Also, definitely Michelle Trachtenberg Trachtenberg has been blackballed from Hollywood because she was getting major roles and then all of a sudden she's in Robot Chicken and Sister Cities.

She has been blackballed.

What is the story?

I need a documentary on Michelle Trachtenberg.

Yeah.

Also, allegedly she was in the new gossip girl as Georgina Sparks.

Well, last night I was also thinking about the new gossip girl and

the reason why it didn't work is because it never could have worked.

The show itself, like nobody knew when the show was airing or even when they were casting the show that it was going to be this cultural phenomenon.

They didn't know that it just happened to be.

It was just a well-written, well-cast, high

about like high-budget show.

And it had all the makings and they didn't know it.

And then with the second show, like they were trying to recreate that.

And you can't recreate something like that with that intention.

Those things like gossip girl becoming what it was happen unintentionally.

Yeah.

Also, it's just like, nobody, who is it for?

Nobody wants it.

It was bad.

They couldn't have had more manpower behind it.

And they couldn't have for that.

They couldn't have flopped harder.

By the way, but also watching the show now, and I'm just keeping top of mind who gossip girl is.

And like, so far, like

it's kind of possible.

Like the episodes I watched last night, spoiler alert

was that Jenny was dating that guy, Asher, but it turned out he was gay and he really was like hooking up with Eric.

Yeah.

But he was like this billionaire.

They're like, how did Jenny get him?

And Dan finds out that Asher is gay and he wants to tell Jenny.

But Blair and Serena are like, Jenny's not going to listen to you.

She's only going to listen to like girls and gossip girl.

So he tells gossip girl that Eric, not that Eric, that Asher is gay.

And of course he told Gossip Girl because he is gossip girl.

Yes, but that could also work with

gossip girl.

It could be explained.

I heard a rumor that gossip girl was supposed to be Nate.

Okay.

And then it got leaked.

Oh, I saw that too.

So watch it also from that POV.

Yeah.

Okay.

But it's just like insane.

These people are just like talking about cocaine and then taking the SATs.

Like, it's just not real.

No, it's not real.

Also, don't forget that Gossip Girl was a book series that was incredibly popular.

So when you say like, nobody knew it was going to be successful, like we all knew.

The books were amazing.

Blake Lively was like, you know, coming off of Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.

Like it was on the CW.

Like,

I think everybody like knew you know that's a that's a job like if you book that like it was a perfect storm it was a perfect storm yeah but that's like if you know Twilight becoming a movie yeah right nobody knew but

we knew yeah that's true no it had all the makings of a cultural phenomenon yeah because it had an existing fan base but a lot of things by the way some things do have all the makings of a cultural phenomenon and then and then they don't yeah like vampire academy the movie Right.

Because I think that book was popular.

The movie was amazing.

Yeah.

But it just didn't pop off.

They actually made Vampire Academy on Peacock a series based on the book.

They were like trying again.

I don't think it happened again.

Like I said.

But I don't think it needed to because the movie was perfect.

Right.

They didn't do anything wrong in that.

It was just like kind of society not knowing what's good, which happens all the time.

I feel

as though.

Like sitting here and not talking about karma is the guy on the chiefs like I don't know what we're doing, you know, and like I love to dilly down.

But I just want you I want you to know that you took us on this change.

Gossip Girl and then Michelle Trachtenberg rabbit hole.

I'm following your movie.

I did.

I did.

No, no, by the way, I took full, full, full responsibility, but I have to draw the line somewhere, you know?

And I think the line, this is me.

Look, I've drawn it.

Oh, right.

Because now I'm talking about my passions.

Yeah, I started talking about very, yeah.

No, see, see?

I want you guys all to see what just happened.

I let her wax poetic on her thoughts on gossip girl.

I try to talk about one movie I liked.

It's time.

No, but by the way, it's so true, but it is time.

Like, facts are facts, you know?

It was time when you started talking about nonsense from 10 years ago.

It was time then, too.

No, no, it wasn't time because honestly, and I'm not being like a drama queen when I say like people are begging me for my gossip girl takes.

I swear to God.

So why didn't you post them on your story?

I did, I did.

But you know, like something as

big and as

important as gossip girl like requires verbal explanation.

You know what I mean?

Like, yeah, so get on stories and start talking.

I need to reach everyone here.

Okay, well, I just want you to know what you did there.

Yeah, no, by the way, like you think I don't know?

Like I know.

I'm disgusting.

Okay, great.

Accountability equals taken.

I will accept that.

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Our first story, Eris, Argentina.

Lots to unpack.

Taylor Swift took her talents to Argentina and her tour there this weekend.

She performed one night.

Very exciting.

You know, she won.

She performed two nights.

Yeah, first night, though.

Yeah, was the big one.

Was the big one, the first one, or the second one?

The second one.

But there was another one last night.

Maybe there's three.

Maybe it was the second one.

Okay.

I said

one was postponed for weather.

Right.

The one that was postponed was the one that he was at.

Well, he got there and yeah, then it was postponed so they got the night off together.

Yeah.

And then he went to the show the next night where a lot of things ensued.

First, he was in the tent with Taylor's dad dancing along, taking pictures and videos of each other.

Next, Taylor changed the lyric and karma from Karma is the guy on the screen coming straight home to me to Karma is the guy on the Chiefs coming straight home to me.

Then she also sang Endgame as one of her surprise songs.

So that's a pretty obvious Easter egg.

And then when the show was over, footage was captured of them backstage, Travis waiting respectfully with his hands behind his back, Taylor coming off the stage, running towards him, giving him a big kiss, and then walking off arm in arm.

It's too much.

Like, I don't even know where to begin.

Let's begin with this, with the secret songs, because I just have really quick thoughts.

Something I've noticed about Taylor recently is like, she's really like listening to the Swifties.

So a lot of people were like, oh my God, she has to play Endgame.

Like they theorized that and then she actually did it.

It's possible she came to the conclusion on her own, but like with this, with the next song, she did

the new...

vault song, Is It Over Now?

But she mashed it up with Out of the Woods.

And literally a girl went viral last week for being like, is anybody else hearing this?

And she sang the mashup that Taylor ended up singing.

So I feel like she's like leaning in more to like Swifty culture, which I actually just really appreciate because the Swifties, you know, they're a little passionate, a little bow too passionate sometimes, but they've got good ideas.

Yeah.

And I love that.

Yeah.

So two very good songs.

And Endgame is obviously like, hopefully, you know, he's her endgame, but also because it's very athletic

themed.

It's athletic coded.

So we love that.

Then let's talk about Scott, Taylor's dad, being literally obsessed with Travis Kelsey.

I've seen him in the tent.

I think he was in the tent with Joe at points, maybe even Maddie Healy.

Like, you wouldn't even know that they know each other.

Like, so distant, so cold.

He is like, fan, like, honestly, I think he's more in love with Travis than Taylor is.

Like, he was wearing a Chiefs lanyard around his neck.

Like, he's obsessed.

He was what they were together the whole night, just them two.

Wouldn't you?

It's a long show.

It's three hours.

He's a dream son-in-law.

Dream son-in-law.

We know Scott loves the NFL.

I mean, he is, I believe, an Eagles fan, but it doesn't matter.

Like, he respects the hustle.

It doesn't matter.

Also, because it's like the Eagles is brother.

That's true.

He could be like being nice to Travis to get close to Jason.

That's very true.

Like maybe trying to get Jason's number from Travis's phone while he's taking the video.

It's like, oh, I'll take this picture of you mean while I'm going through your phone.

He's using Travis.

He's social climbing to get to Jason.

I mean, you respect the hustle.

Respect the hustle.

Like the glee and like honestly, just such a shout out to the Argentinian Swifties.

Like they were on the ground doing the work.

Like we were getting content the minute it was happening.

And I have to say, something I've noticed that just is the sweetest thing ever when I noticed it with Argentina, but then I also noticed it, I saw a screening from the era's tour in Israel, is like places where English isn't the first language, but Taylor Swift is like so beloved.

When you hear the fans singing back the song, they have an accent and it is just

so cute.

Like, yeah, it's the cutest thing ever.

And it really just, I think, is an indicator of how massive Taylor Swift is.

Cause these are people who don't even speak English as their first language and they know every single lyric.

And it's just, it's it's really amazing yeah even when they were chanting reputation before better than revenge and they had a little accent stadium has an accent yeah it's so cute and I just like loved it and they were just really honestly five stars for them like they were doing the work when it came to getting the content to the world in real time yes so the video of you know Carmen's the guy in the chiefs coming straight home to me there was a girl who filmed it perfectly and then you see her freaking out and you know what like when i saw that i was like great and i put my phone down because i was was like, that's what I needed to see.

He was there.

I saw, you know, I saw him in the tent.

I saw him like lurk.

Like, he obviously has been studying up on her music because he knew a lot more lyrics.

I'm sure he didn't know as many as, I mean, there's so many.

So then I saw Karma's the guy in the cheese.

I'm like, okay, that's what I was waiting for.

And I put my phone down and I watched Cossip Girl.

And oh my God, maybe 20 minutes later, I checked my phone again.

And I was like,

the kiss.

The kiss, the running off stage,

the running up to him, the big snooch.

I need a body language expert on the toast because there is, if a picture says a thousand words, that video says 25 million.

What is it saying to you?

For me, it's because I think somebody could look at that video and be like, oh, like she ran to him and she put her arms around him first.

But I think he's very respectful of like what she wants people to see.

Because when she was offstage, she was backstage.

But the thing about an arena, a stadium, excuse me, is it's circular.

Yeah.

And so people in the back can see Taylor coming offstage.

She's really not fully in the privacy of her own world until maybe three minutes after she's offstage.

Just because she's off stage doesn't mean she has privacy.

Right.

So he knows that.

She knows that.

And whenever she does backstage, because she always waves to everyone, people throw bracelets at her.

Like she knows that that's going to be on tape.

So I think he was like trying to just defer to her being like, oh, are we going to embrace here or not?

Because like there's literally.

probably 5,000 people behind us.

Like maybe we should wait till we get in the tent.

So I think like her running to him and her putting her arms around him and her kissing him is

not her like being more interested in him than he is.

I think it's him totally respecting whatever boundaries she wants to put up.

She has famously not really shared much about her relationships.

She really hasn't even been caught kissing her boyfriends.

There's a few instances and none of them were by her own accord.

It was somebody filming without her consent.

There's like a blurry picture of her and Joe in the ocean.

They didn't know the camera was there.

There's obviously that horrifying Harry Styles New Year's Eve kiss that's so awkward.

It makes you literally want to crawl into your own skin.

I don't think she knew anybody was filming then.

It's usually paparazzi.

It's usually when she thinks she's in privacy, but she's not.

She has never like knowingly kissed someone

in front of people, you know?

Yeah, I also think,

one, he's respecting her boundaries of how much she wants to show of their relationship, but two, it's like this was her big night.

Like, is there anything more annoying than someone running up to you and like making it about them?

It's like wherever she wants to go next, however, she wants to like debrief, but like him like going and attacking, like, no, let her take the lead how does she want to exit the arena i will follow her lead i'm just here in whatever capacity she wants me to be no it's so true like what's worse than somebody who like makes someone else a special night about them and i feel like he acted so appropriately yeah it's a hard line to walk because the whole night is about taylor but the second he's in the tent everybody's turning around filming him even when she comes on they're gonna you know film him for portions of it how do you navigate that with like wanting to hype up your girlfriend not take away from her moment but also knowing like people are looking at you?

And honestly, I think he handled the entire night perfectly.

Like there's not one thing I would change.

Yeah, no, because you want to be interested and involved, but you don't want to give people like too much.

You don't want to take away, but you also want to seem interested or else people will be like, he was, he looked miserable.

Yeah.

So now, of course, everybody compares, you know, footage from Travis at an eras tour to Joe at Reputation.

And at Reputation, Joe was famously like wearing a hat incognito.

literally I think there's maybe one video of him smiling like he was very somber and now we're kind of because Travis is just kind of being everything that Taylor needs but also everything that the Swifties need the Swifties are now dragging Joe and I don't think that's fair because I think Joe was very much following Taylor's lead at that time she did not want her rep like they weren't not public because Joe didn't want it you know like Taylor called the shots Taylor is Taylor so I think he was following her lead I'm sure he was a great boyfriend like I don't think it's fair to just completely drag just because we're so excited about Travis.

But like, I get it.

Like, you look at the two footages and like one of them is at the era store having the time of his life.

And the other one looks like he's literally like on his way to jail.

Like, he's so Ms.

Yeah, but also like Travis is Travis.

You can't, and he's, not to say like Joe isn't famous, but like he, he's a working actor, but he's not really a celebrity like a lot of other actors are.

You know, he's, he's an actor.

We really wouldn't know much about him had it not been.

Right.

So like Travis, if he started acting in a way that wasn't congruous with his personality that we know, like he's goofy, silly.

He's always dancing when he scores a touchdown.

Like, Travis gonna Travis.

Trav, gonna Travis.

That's an amazing point as well.

But also,

Joe is like a serious guy.

He's like, you know, British fancy actor.

You know, he does like time period pieces.

He's not going to be like shaking his titties to end game, you know?

Yeah.

But I also think it's really not fair.

Like, Joe was really great to Taylor.

He was a good boy.

He worked for Taylor at a really hard time.

Like, it's really easy for Travis to come into the 10 and hype up when all they're experiencing is love and adoration.

Like, Joe was with Taylor through it all.

And I just feel like you, Swifties, should have put a little more respect on his name and you don't have to compare.

No, you don't have to compare.

You're right.

Like, their relationship was during the tough times, like, when Taylor wasn't so universally beloved.

And there were people, hashtag Taylor Swift is overparty, the snakes.

Like, they made it through all of that.

He was, you're right.

Like, he was good to her.

He was there for her.

He was a steady force in her life.

Six years.

It didn't work out.

And that's sad.

But just because like Travis is different doesn't make Joe bad.

You're right.

Yeah.

Travis, yeah, of course, Travis is more exciting for all of us.

Duh.

But, like, duh.

But he's also so far, they've only experienced one Chief's loss.

Like, they haven't really gone through hardship together.

It's fun.

It's all fun in games when it's all fun in games.

And I also think Taylor probably feels this is something Taylor would never fucking do, the kiss.

Like, that just, it just goes against who she is.

And I feel like because she's in this place where she literally can't breathe without getting applause, like, she's reached a level that I think people are comparing only to Beatles Mania.

Like, she has reached a level of universal love, respect, adoration, fandom that she really can't do anything wrong.

So, that's probably, it's not something she's ever experienced before.

And it's probably such a relief for her.

And it's probably fun.

So, it's like, you know what?

Yeah, I'm in love.

Let me just kiss my fucking boyfriend after I just worked so hard on stage for three hours in a country 15 hours from my own.

That's how fucking globally famous I am, bitch.

Yeah.

Also, it's like, if she, if at this level of her success, if she can't act how she wants and be how she wants, you know, and just live freely, authentically, then what's the point?

If she still has to like worry about, oh, am I running too fast?

Am I, you know, too excited?

Am I not kissing him?

Like, live your life, girl.

You're really speaking like unbelievable facts today, making like really good points.

Thank you.

I love just, I love internalizing what the Swifties are going through and just making it more salient for

larger life lessons.

For larger life lessons.

Like, it's true.

What's the point in all of the success if you can't just like be who you are?

Yeah, and live and enjoy your life.

Also, the first night she sang Labyrinth.

Yeah.

Uh-oh.

I'm falling in love.

So cute.

So cute.

So then that was the headline.

Taylor sings she's falling in love again.

No, but it's so funny because towards the end of the American Era's tour, like people were noticing certain songs Taylor would sing.

Like she was just kind of singing them.

Like she wasn't feeling them.

Lover, like, oh my God, that's literally a song about Joe Alwyn.

Like it's become like a wedding song.

It's like one of those staple love songs.

And she was just kind of giving it no love.

Like, she was doing it and she was killing it, but she wasn't feeling it.

And then with certain

secret songs that were 100% about Joe, she was literally just singing them.

Like, her face did not move.

And she just sang a song.

that I think she sang as a secret song at the end of American Era's tour.

And like the difference just in her demeanor, it's hilarious.

Yeah, it's so real.

Towards the end, the secret songs like became less exciting and they were certainly not coded in anything.

It was just like, here's a song I wrote and your guys are going to hear it tonight.

Yeah.

And then with these Argentinian shows, it was like, here are songs that mean something different to me now.

Right.

And then for people who are still like obsessed with Harry Styles' 1989 era, when she did Is It Over Now and Out of the Woods, two songs that we know are about Harry Style.

So mixing them together just kind of confirmed that for everyone.

And also, if you think about the lyrics, like.

They're really, they're telling the same story.

Out of the woods is like, this relationship, like, I just feel so unstable.

Like, are we out of the woods yet?

Like, are we good?

Are we not good?

And then, is it over now?

It's like, wait, are we literally even still together?

Yeah.

So, they're very much like a thread.

She's also promoting 1989 TV.

Right.

She's like, so it's not even about, oh, I'm going to, you know, I'm dating Travis and I'm going to sing about Harry.

Like, here, buy my new album.

Right now, she's a businesswoman.

And putting the two songs together, it's like, you have to listen to two songs on my album now.

Right.

And you have to hear the deluxe one with the new songs.

Deluxe.

Yeah.

So it was just kind of like an incredible weekend.

Yeah.

And then they all crazy.

They went out to dinner in Argentina.

I think the night that the show was canceled and they were holding hands and the whole restaurant was cheering.

And there was just so many videos of them literally walking probably through this corridor that was maybe 11 feet long.

But everybody did notice like he squeezed her hand three times, which is just like a cute thing, like boys do, but squeeze my hand three times in the back of the taxi.

Even though that song like, I think, is about Joe Allen, but whatever.

So cute, so obsessed.

And what's so insane is that we have four other stories.

We have Grammy nominations, I'm assuming.

we have kylie at snl like so many things happen and like who cares like it's insane to me that things that are enormous deals like otherwise we would be guffawing over literally who cares i don't know about guffawing but no but kylie at snl like i literally didn't even see a picture of kylie at s nl until this morning yeah but i knew she was there i heard also like i I'm past the guffawing over Kylie and Timothy.

They're just like a stable Hollywood couple now.

It's, yeah.

It's really kind of crazy.

Crazy.

Also, have you given any thought to like what kind of songs Taylor might be writing right now about this?

Yes.

Like what themes and

things?

What do you think?

And if my, and by the way, I just want to say, because people like are like coming for me, like, you said they weren't even dating.

Like, I know, I was wrong.

But Turdy took accountability.

What more do you want?

I took accountability.

And then I was like against it.

But okay, listen, I'm like stubborn.

And honestly, I'm probably just jealous.

So like, get off my back, okay?

But like, she literally said I was wrong and she's done in 180.

What more do you want?

Leave Turdy alone.

Thank you.

if I had to think, because like for me, there's so much going on here, but like it really is.

Like, I see this whole relationship through the lens of a smut book.

Like, I really do.

Like, I just know Taylor's getting like dick down in Dallas.

Like, I just know it.

And I think we're gonna get like some really sexy songs.

Like,

very, like, very sexy.

But what Taylor does so brilliantly is like through the feminine gaze.

Like, not what normal people think is sexy, but like, and that's why those romance smut books are so popular because it's really sexiness and it's love through the feminine gaze.

like we don't need to hear about like you know what we think is sexy is different you know yeah and i think we're gonna get like some very it's not gonna be like it's getting hot and heated no we're gonna get like feminine gaze like you know hands on the small of my back type of energy that type of sexiness it's not overt but it's very romantic and it's very manly and that's so travis that's what i think

But also, I think we're going to get like some pop fun, because think about how she's feeling right now, just like on top of the world, bubbly, like nothing negative.

Like, I think, I don't think we're going to get ballads.

I think we're going to get like just cheery pop, kind of like message in a bottle energy where it's like, you just want to pop your pussy because you're so fucking happy.

Yeah.

And like, just about how they're the two, they're the biggest people in the world right now.

That feeling of like being on top of the world.

Yeah.

I think she's going to sing

on top of the world.

Looking down on creation.

And the only explanation I can find.

That's what I think we're going to get.

Is the love that I've found ever since you've been around.

Your love's left me on the top of the world.

Literally, she should sample that.

Taylor X the Carpenters.

Or

I'm on Top of the World.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm on Top of the World.

Yeah.

Love.

Yeah.

I think she'll have a song called On Top of the World.

I would love that.

On top of old smoky,

all covered in trees.

In snow.

Snow.

I left my true loved one.

Ben sings that song differently.

He sings, on top of spaghetti,

all sprinkled with cheese.

That's why I said trees.

I lost my poor meatball

when somebody sneezed.

By the way, that's why I said trees.

You were thinking of the other version.

You were thinking of Taylor's version.

I was thinking of Ben's version, cheese.

Right, right.

Yeah, so that's exciting to think about the next era.

And like, not that we could possibly predict, but what do you think the album would be called?

The thing is, she never makes it so obvious.

Like, we really can't.

No, but like, you could guess a word that might be a synonym.

A cinnamon.

yeah because honestly i feel like it would be an album a lot like lover i know

not in the aesthetic because i think her aesthetic has changed so much she's like so like sophisticated these days like with her turtlenecks and stuff but i do think the vibe like lover is really like a pop album to its core and it's also a happy album yeah

so i think a lot of the music would and I think Lover is criminally underrated.

We talk about this all the time because I just think the marketing and the aesthetic of it like wasn't right, but the songs in and of itself are so brilliant.

Yeah.

I think it'll be similar to that.

And the name is so simple because she was so happy.

She was in just like a happy relationship, her lover.

So I think it'd be simple too.

Okay.

I have a few suggestions that are coming from thesaurus.com.

Euphoria.

I

love, love, love that.

Bliss.

No.

Oh, okay.

Ecstasy.

Taylor's very, she's very wordy.

Oh, ecstasy I kind of like because it could also

reference the sexual thing.

Of course, but it's a little too

radiant.

Okay, I'm going with Euphoria, even though it would be hard for SEO because of the show.

Yeah, even though the show's not coming back till 2025, like she has time to do it.

Oh, she has time to

own the word.

Yeah, to own it, Lisa, own it.

Or maybe something like

dream.

Dreamland, dreamy.

Also, when are we getting crazier?

When are we getting crazier, Taylor's version?

Like, it's time.

Yeah.

It's really time.

We've suffered long enough.

Okay.

That would be a crazy surprise song.

Yeah.

Because it's a song you just play on the guitar.

It's a song everybody knows.

It's a song that raised so many of us.

Like, just do it.

Wonder.

For an album title?

No, I don't like it.

And she has a song called Wonderland.

So.

Okay.

Okay.

Those are my predictions.

The thing with Taylor, like, she's so much smarter than all of us, and she's like such a like a literate person who knows so many words, you know?

I mean, who could put, only Taylor Swift could put this in in a song.

Hold on.

I want to remember.

It's fun to like to put down your

word predictions because then you could see like how right or wrong you were, how close you were.

No, I love to go back.

Like in a year from now when we have an album, like I would love to watch this and laugh.

And see like what we got right, what we got wrong.

Like only Taylor Swift could use the word mercurial in a song about having an affair okay

a dwindling mercurial hi

okay

are you ready for our next story like what's the point

taylor actually because it's grammy nominations oh yeah they are here so here are the nominees record of the year

Worship by John Batiste, Not Strong Enough, Boy Genius, Flowers, Miley Cyrus, What Was I Made For, Billie Eilish, On My Mama, Victoria Monet, Vampire, Olivia Rodrigo, Anti-Hero, Taylor Swift, Kill Bill, Sizza.

So Sizza leads the nominations with nine nominations.

She's the most nominated.

Yes.

So Record of the Year is like a category that always confuses me.

Because there's also Song of the Year and a lot of the same songs are nominated, but also Song of the Year is A ⁇ W for Lana Del Rey, Anti-Hero, Taylor Swift.

Okay, let's go one by one and like just guess.

Four

categories.

Honestly, I don't.

I actually, I would say Kill Bill Scizit.

It's kind of frustrating that Taylor submitted Anti-Hero from this album to win every award or to be up for every award because it's just like not as good as other songs.

Yeah.

So for Record of the Year, I feel like it will be Billie Eilish.

Okay.

What was I made for?

Yeah, because it's just, or actually, honestly, maybe Flowers, because that's a, when I think of Record of the Year, I'm like, what song tortured us this year?

Like, that was everywhere.

But I don't feel that way about any of these songs.

I feel that way about flowers.

Like, that song, now I hate it.

Yeah, I guess.

It was on Reels a lot.

But what I do think is really kind of crazy and impressive is that Billie Eilish's nomination is a song that she wrote for a movie, like not even like from her own album.

So maybe she'll win an Oscar for it.

Oh, by the way, I could see her winning an Oscar.

So I'm going to say for Record of the Year, I am going to say Flowers.

And I do feel like that would be Miley Cyrus' first Grammy.

Yeah, I'm going to say Kill Bill.

Yeah,

okay, I have another prediction for Sizza in another category.

So let's go to Album of the Year.

Okay, we'll do.

Also, Victoria Monet, is she from Victorious?

No.

Oh.

Oh, no.

Daniela Monet on a show called Victorious.

That's confusing.

Nope, that's completely understandable how you got to that conclusion.

Cool.

Album of the Year.

World Music Radio, John Batiste, The Record, Boy Genius, Endless.

Wait, I have something to say.

I thought about it this morning because Boy Genius was just on SNL this week.

And like, I just want to say, raise your hand if you don't know who or what Boy Genius is.

Obviously me like phoebe bridgers is in it like i don't get it it's like a band i'm so confused i've never heard of it honestly okay endless summer vacation miley cyrus did you know that there's a tunnel under ocean boulevard lana del ray the age of pleasure janelle monet guts olivia rodrigo midnights taylor swift sos scissa

so i think scissa has a real shot here like

Like I'm not even like, I don't like actively seek out Sizza songs and I know so many songs.

And I started to like add her songs to my playlist from this album.

No, this album was huge.

I think it's going to go to SZA.

It's either SZA or Midnights.

Like I think Guts, I was listening to it in the car yesterday on the way home from New Jersey.

It's fucking amazing.

Like it's so good.

But it didn't really become ubiquitous like Sour did.

Yeah.

But it's amazing.

It might even be better than Sour, but it's so good.

Yeah.

So I think the only, and the same with Endless Summer Vacation, like it had like two or three real bops, but it's not this like album that everybody digested as a whole.

So like, unless they just choose one of these out, out, like Lana Del Wright, even though I don't know one song on the album and I, I like no, they do that sometimes.

They do that where it's like John Batiste or Boy Genius,

you know, that sort of thing.

Um, but I do think if it works the way that it should work, it will be Sizza or Taylor Swift.

But I think it will be Sciza between the two of them.

Me too.

Um, song of the Year, AW, Jack Antonoff, Anti-Hero, Taylor Swift, Butterfly, John Batiste, Dance the Night, Dua Lippa, Flowers, Miley Cyrus, Kill Bill, Sciza, Vampire, Olivia Rodrigo, What Was I Made for?

Billie Eilish.

So whichever song was a runner-up to the other category.

Which I think is Billie Eilish here.

Or Killbill.

I think Killbill will win one and Flowers will win the other.

The Grammys likes to do that.

All them like to do it these days, give every person one award.

Like, you know, it's giving participation.

It's giving five-year-old.

No, like, I love a sweep, though.

I don't think any of these deserve to sweep the Grammys this year.

It's kind of like not a

level playing field.

I completely,

super competitive year.

No, some years, like the folklore year, it was like everybody else should just go home.

Like, folklore wins everything.

It's so obvious.

Even like when Casey Muskray's one, it was so obvious.

Yeah, or like when Adele puts out an album or Beyoncé or Bruno Marr is like, okay, everyone else, like stay home.

But I feel like this year, it's not like that.

Okay, I'm excited to talk about best new artists.

Best new artists.

Gracie Abrams, Fred Again, Ice Spice, Jelly Roll, Coco Jones, Noah Kahan, Victor.

Oh my, are you okay?

Victor.

Why is there like two A's?

Victoria Monet,

the Warren Treaty.

I just want to say, like, I'm so glad the Warren Treaty is getting their, like,

what's the word I'm looking for?

Like, not credit, recognition.

They, I saw them perform, like, last year at the ACM Awards.

They're a husband and wife duo, and they're...

Jackie, you've never heard of two voices like this in your life.

And they just like sit.

They have like very gospel types.

They have the most incredible voices.

And they started to blow up.

And then Zach Bryan did a collab with them on his new album.

So they're really blowing up.

I don't think they're going to win, but I love that they're getting seen.

They're a country husband and wife duo.

And they're so cute.

That's so nice.

But I do think Noah Khan will win.

And I do think he should win.

I think

Ice Spice or Jelly Roll will win.

Okay.

Okay, next producer of the year, Skip, Songwriter of the Year, Best Pop Solo Performance.

Flowers, Miley Cyrus, Paint the Town Red, Doja Cat, What Was I Made For, Billie Eilish, Vampire, Olivia Rodrigo, Anti-Hero, Taylor Swift.

I think Flowers is going to take it.

Yeah, and I'm okay with that.

Yeah.

Any other categories?

You want to go to country?

Let's just do country because Luke Holmes was obviously, once again, slapped in the face.

I'm like really kind of over this, like disgusting behavior.

Luke Holmes does so much for country music.

He's a global superstar.

He's so fucking unproblematic.

He makes incredible music.

Nobody even talked about his song during COVID, Six Feet Apart, which literally like changed.

Healed the world.

Nobody talks about Joe, the song he writes about, you know, people in recovery.

Like, he just does so fucking much for music.

He's an incredible songwriter.

And I'm really, honestly, I'm fucking sick of it.

I really am.

No, it's disgusting.

And why?

Like, best country.

But not only did he not get acknowledged in the big categories, like, okay, country's always getting, you know, kind of pushed to the side.

In his own fucking categories, he doesn't get credit.

Like, I'm sick.

No, and it's also weird that for song and record of the year, like, neither Luke nor Morgan's songs were nominated, even though they like dominated the Billboard charts this year.

No, but the thing is, like, Grammys is very political, and I understand why they don't want to associate with

Morgan Wallen and his myriad of controversy.

Like, I get it.

Okay, you know what?

But let's talk about Luke fucking Combs.

Like, I've had enough.

No, I agree, but it's like, and they're both undeniable, but it's like two people that they're just completely disregarding.

But also, they, like, for even best country album, like, why isn't Luke nominated?

Even like when you scroll down, so they go by category, by genre.

Field number four, the fourth category is jazz, traditional pop musical theater and then country like country's underneath that country's the second maybe third largest genre the Grammys do not respect the hell out of country like they don't

so so best country song Brandon he's not nominated Brandy Clark buried Chris Stapleton White Horse Morgan Wallen last night Tyler Childers in Your Love Zach Bryan featuring Casey Musgrave's I remember everything I just feel like this category just doesn't represent the year of country

yeah no by the way the best country song of the year will be Last Night by Morgan Wallen.

It's been number one on Billboard for

a while.

But by the way,

I saw so many like TikToks going, not TikToks,

tweets going viral being like, Morgan Wallen has zero nominations, like making fun of him, like Pop Crave and those types of accounts.

Then I went to look, I'm like, he literally has one.

Yeah.

I mean, they had like millions of retweets.

It was crazy.

Not that we should be like, you know, getting our news from stand Twitter accounts, but like you would think for Grammy nominations, like it would be accurate.

Yeah.

Do you think he'll win, even though like that is the country song of the year?

I mean, if he doesn't win, it's just very clear that like the Grammys don't want to award him things and like be associated with him because it is the biggest song probably of the last couple of years.

Like it's so big.

So it should win.

And if it doesn't, I think we know why.

Yeah.

We just don't want to like be associated with him.

Best Country album, Rolling Up the Welcome Matt, Kelsey Ballarini, Brothers Osborne by Brothers Osborne, Zach Bryan by Zach Bryan, Rustin in the Rain, Tyler Childers, Bell Bottom Country, Lainey Wilson.

To me, there's not a clear winner.

I think in terms of,

see, like I would say Rolling Up the Welcome app by Kelsey Ballarini, but I don't think that was the biggest in country.

It just had bleed over into pop and people, it was great for country music, but I don't know if it was the biggest country album, if that makes sense.

I think Lainey Wilson will win.

Me too.

For the same reasons that she swept the

CMAs.

And yeah,

for the Grammys, it's all like optics.

Yeah, but you're definitely right that there isn't like a clear

winner for any of these categories.

Yeah, which also makes it interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So when are the Grammys?

February 4th.

Wow, that's in a long time.

That is in a very long time.

It's kind of like giving Super Bowl.

Literally, like.

Why are they releasing this now?

You're like, calm down.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yes.

Kylie Jenner supports her beau, Timothy Chalamet, at the SNL After Party.

Kylie attended the SNL After Party to support her mans.

The star was photographed arriving at the Star Studied event Saturday evening in New York City following her boyfriend's hosting duties.

In the photos, Kylie, who arrived separately from Timothy, showed up to the after-party party wearing a chic all-black look, sunglasses, letal handbag, looking gorgeous.

Cute.

Like they're dating.

I think Chris was there too.

She was posting, like, promoting SNL before it was even out.

She's like, so friendly with Lauren.

They're just like besties now.

Cute.

Like, cute.

I really don't have a lot to say here.

It's just like, good for them.

No, and they are just quietly

going strong.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Yeah.

I'm happy for it.

Like, I have things to say.

I hope he's a good boyfriend to her.

Did you see the TikTok of the girl who ordered Kai and in the mail, she got a mini chainsaw?

No.

That's what showed up in the Kai box.

That's so weird.

No, I know.

Was it a real chainsaw or like a chainsaw?

I don't know.

Oh, that's a good question.

I think it was real.

That's weird.

The new Kai drop looks really cute.

It's all like puffers and

cat suits.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's cute.

Yeah.

I haven't bought anything.

No, but like, maybe I'll get a puffer.

Even though I like my puffer, but.

And you literally live in Florida.

But we're going on a ski trip and I could get cold.

And I could could get cold.

You could.

So maybe I need a puffer.

Okay, like it wasn't an attack.

I felt like one that you were trying to stomp on my dreams of getting a puffer.

Are you okay?

No.

Okay.

I feel attacked.

Oh, well, you shouldn't.

I was just simply pointing out that you live in Florida, so you like, don't need a million puffer jackets.

I mean, okay, you're being Olivia.

I don't want a million.

I was going to have two.

You don't need a million.

Like, stop.

You have so many.

You have, like, you have so many breakfast tacos and so many puffer jackets.

It's too much.

Jackie, overconsumption is real.

Okay, so I won't get one.

Great.

I hope you're happy.

Freeze.

I hope you're happy.

Because I've told mom.

My charge is not charging on me iPad.

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She says, I was fine just the way I was.

So Nikki Minaj joined Run Through with Vogue podcast to discuss her new cover for the magazine along with Motherhood and why she regrets getting plastic surgery.

So Vogue has a podcast now?

Yeah, I guess accompanying with their magazine.

And it's called Run-Through.

Run-through with Vogue.

That's kind of a good name, like the run-through.

Yeah, and it's good when they have like their cover star on to talk, you know, more in depth about the cover.

Sure.

Yeah, that's like something they should have done like a little while ago.

Like when you, when you want to be on the cover of Vogue, obviously everybody wants to be on the cover of Vogue.

And so when you get someone major, they obviously now make them agree to like 73 questions.

There's like a whole list in addition to the interview and the cover.

So having a podcast go along with that is a great idea, but like they really should have done this like two years ago.

Yeah.

Well, sorry, Turdy.

And you know what?

Actually, maybe they did.

Like maybe we didn't know about it.

Let's see when the podcast started.

And is it like a monthly podcast or a weekly podcast?

I'm going to let you know.

It is weekly.

They have.

like 65 episodes.

Oh.

So maybe it was two years ago.

Well, no, 65 weekly would be like a little over a year.

A little over a year.

Okay.

Okay.

I see it corrected.

So she's on the podcast talking about her plastic surgery regrets, saying, I guarantee you, if you change anything on your body and do anything surgical and all this, you're going to more than likely, not definitely, more than likely, look back one day and say, I was fine just the way I was, she told the host.

And that's what happened to me.

I could not believe even some of the photos that I didn't love.

She opened up about her reason for going under the knife in the first place, saying, I didn't like being skinny, having a flat butt, having boobs that didn't sit high enough.

It was a lot of things.

things.

She added that she used to shy away from looking at old photos of herself as she was never satisfied with her appearance.

Now she shared, I love the way that person looks physically.

She believes her son helped change her tune.

She said, I think pregnancy could have played a role because seeing my son did remind me of myself so much, my real self.

And it made me think, why didn't I like this?

So weird.

But seeing old photos, being able to look at old photos again, made me realize.

Those old photos are beautiful.

She recently underwent breast reduction surgery, a decision she talked about in her Vogue cover story.

She said, I love it.

I used to want a bigger butt.

And now I look back and realize how silly that was.

Love your curves and your, love your non-curves.

There's nothing wrong with any of it.

Oh man, first of all, I love this message.

I think that, I think we hear this a little bit from people, but she's being like really honest.

Some people say like, oh, I wish I didn't do, you know, surgeries, but she's saying, I wish I didn't do butt.

Like she's being very, she's giving details.

Yeah.

Which I think is really very honest.

And I really respect this whole conversation.

I think it's a great message.

And I think this trend, it's not happening a lot, but I feel like Kylie talked about it, but she doesn't appear to be like undoing a lot of that stuff.

But she talked about how becoming a mom made her like question some of the decisions she made when she was younger.

Black China.

Yeah.

She's completely undid everything.

And I think she looks even more beautiful.

than she ever looked.

I love this.

I really do.

Yeah.

Molly Mae talks about this in her book, how she like kind of overdid it with the filler and how she just wishes that she never did.

And I think it's, it's really easy to get carried away with this stuff.

And you really are perfect just the way.

And if you want to do something, I would sit on it for a very long time, not just like until it really bothers me,

six months, years.

I would wait years.

Yeah.

And make sure that it's what you want to do.

Because I think for a lot of celebrities, they go back and forth and it's easy for them.

But for the average person, like it's not that easy.

It's a huge decision.

It's a huge decision.

It takes so much money.

You take so much time off of work to recover.

It's not like you can just go in and out of the doctor's office.

yeah.

So, I think it's really good that she's sharing this message.

And also, like, trends do change, and then you're kind of stuck with something.

That's no, it's so true.

I feel like for the last couple of years, like the curvy trend has been like so popular, but I feel like we're going more like if you're looking at like trends in fashion and celebrities, like now, everyone's going for like the skinny aesthetic.

And like, if you just spent all this time, money on a new ass, yeah,

only to look out of style a year later.

You don't want

to make permanent changes to your body, that might be out of fashion.

Yeah.

So also the pictures from the shoot are beautiful.

She's really like in her fashion minimalist era.

Love.

And I love this era for her.

Me too.

I like really love Nikki Minaj.

Like we've gotten a wonderful lady.

I know, I know.

I know she's problematic.

Like, and can we just like move on?

Like, who is it?

It's so true.

I just love...

Ever since she like went on the Potomac reunion and like, I just love people who don't take themselves so seriously, you know?

Yeah.

And who just have fun.

Like you're famous and you're rich and you can do whatever you want.

Like just have fun.

Like if I was so, so famous, like, yeah, like I would literally show up to BravoCon.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, I just, I love people who don't take life so seriously.

Yeah.

And she's always like tweeting like nonsense.

Like, I just appreciate the unseriousness of it all.

Yeah.

And so many celebrities like.

keep their real self like so hidden.

They're so scared to step out of bounds.

Everything that they do is just so curated and boring.

And I'm bored.

And I'm not bored by Nikki Minaj.

Because she's just so unserious and she's so funny.

And she, I love, and you know, the fact that I don't think every cover star does the podcast, but she like loves to talk.

She has like Queen Bee radio.

She does like Apple Music Radio.

Like she loves to talk.

She has an, like, she has a personality and she has something to say.

So I feel like I kind of love that she did the podcast because not everyone would.

Podcasting is not for everyone.

No, it's not.

You have to have something to say.

Yeah.

So

December cover star.

Love that for her.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Yeah.

Because you know Krispy Kreme doesn't give out a free donut without us mentioning it.

No, it's so true.

Let me guess what they're doing it for now.

You know, you know.

Think back to this morning in our group chat.

You'll get it.

You know what today.

What's group chat?

World Kindness Day.

Krispy Kreme is giving out free dozen donuts today for World Kindness Day.

Oh, wow, a whole dozen?

Yep.

Krispy Kreme is giving out a free dozen in honor of World Kindness Day, but there's a catch.

Of course, there is.

You have to do like a mitzvah.

Only the first 500 guests visiting Krispy Kreme shops in the U.S.

will get the sweet promotion and walk away with a dozen free donuts.

No purchase necessary.

So by the time this episode comes out, I'm sure your local Krispy Kreme has already met 500 customers who got.

I don't know.

First of all, this is why you move to a small town.

Small town on the west coast, go get your free donuts.

Yeah, if I lived in like a very small town that just happened to have a random Krispy Kreme, oh my God, it would would be over for you bitches.

I'd put them out of business.

I just feel like people might think we're kind of like Krispy Kreme industry plans because like they don't

make a PR move without us like making it a fast five story.

Yeah, but that's because they're constantly innovating.

They're constantly like on trend.

And I'm sorry.

They're constantly giving away donuts.

And podcasts.

We're going to reward good behavior.

Like you're giving away free food.

Love ya.

And like this podcast, we appreciate that you guys take the time to listen to it.

And like in return, we will let you know on any given day where you can get a free donut.

Right.

Right.

Right.

So it's honestly it's an exchange of services.

Like you listen, we give.

Right.

So

happy national world kindness day, national world.

Okay, Jackie, in the spirit of world kindness day.

Why don't you say something nice about me and I'll say something nice about you?

That's so nice.

It's also like kind of a joke that it's World Kindness Day.

Like the world could not be nastier.

It couldn't be a nastier place filled with unkindness.

Nasty.

Filled with unkind people who are probably celebrating World Kindness Day and thinking it's about them.

No, let's be real.

Let's talk about like the people who actually like engage in World Kindness Day are some of the most miserable fucks on the planet.

People who use the word kind, I find, are some of the worst people.

Actually, I'm going to disagree with you there because, you know, as a person who talks a lot for a living, I find that I'm always looking for new words because I hate to say the same couple of words over and over again.

And I feel like the word kind.

is actually underrated in the sense like when you want to describe someone as nice, the word nice is just so black.

For sure.

Like if you really, if somebody is genuinely like a nice person, to describe them as kind, I think is actually a much more impactful word.

No, I totally agree.

That's not what I'm talking about.

But like, I feel like if there's like campaigns like you mean people who post on Instagram being like, be kind.

Vote with kindness.

Yeah, like kind.

You're right.

It is, it's kind of a shield people hide behind.

Such a shield.

Like those people who post about kindness are the least kind people.

Describing someone as kind, fine.

That's a very nice word.

It's the same way I feel about people who like post about like her story and like women's issues.

Are some of like they, oh my God, they'll, they're so fucking nasty to other women.

right or silent about the mass rape of women in israel well that's for yeah those clowns are exposed like come at me again with your history

her story come at me again on international women's day

i do love her story like we've kind of made it our own people who use it in like a serious way like no like but but people who use it like we do like it's funny and like her story i'm obsessed yeah no agreed

so how do we go about getting a free donut you have to be asking for a friend.

One of the first 500 guests to visit Krispy Green.

But no, I want to go back to your exercise for World Kindness Day.

I'm going to say something kind about you.

Oh, yeah.

I'm going to say something kind about you.

Like a big kindness or a small kindness?

Because I think sometimes small acts of kindness are very meaningful.

Whatever you want.

I love your sweater, Turdy.

You look beautiful and radiant.

Oh, I wasn't like, I didn't mean it like that.

I meant like, um,

I meant like you say something kind about someone.

Like, oh, like I was going to say, you're a great mom.

Oh, that's so nice.

I was just giving you a small compliment.

How much share?

Talk about my sweater.

I was giving you a small compliment.

Okay, so I have a nice sweater and you're a brilliant mother.

I'm so glad that.

Okay, well, then you should have gotten four.

I feel great.

Big compliments are small.

I asked the question.

But no, it's fine.

And actually, my sweater is from a new toast sponsor that I've become obsessed with.

I think we've only done one ad for them so far, but I think they have more coming up.

And not enough people talk about Loft.

Not enough people talk about Loft.

I just got like a whole new wardrobe from loft, especially for our trip.

I got like a bunch of cozy knit items.

And this quarter zip that's hot pink is from loft.

And I'm just like, not enough people talk about loft.

It's not your grandma's loft, you know?

Claude, I'm going to show you something pornographic.

Okay.

Oh, wow.

Look at that picture of the donut.

It looks like a butthole.

And honestly, I want to eat it.

So it was pornographic after all.

It was pornographic.

Oh, my God.

Look at these close-ups.

No, for real.

It's at the end of the show.

Kreme.

Honestly, I should.

Even though, like, my local Krispy Kreme is like a tourist

destination because it's into the city.

Yeah, you're not one of the first guys.

There's not a donut left in sight.

No, but if you are on the West Coast, in a small town, go get your free dozen, give them out to people for World Kindness Day.

Try and be kind, even though it's so hard for so many of you.

Today's episode is for the small town West Coast girls.

Isn't every episode?

No.

I feel like it is because

I like it.

And because we come out so early on the west coast, like they're living the dream out there, yeah.

But like, why the only the small town girls?

Got you there because I like it.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, because you like it, okay, okay.

Yeah, so happy World Kindness Day, everyone.

Don't forget to punch someone in the face.

Don't forget to be a nasty bitch

in celebration of World Kindness Day.

That is our show.

I'm starving now.

Like, I have to eat something.

I have my Saqqara lunch waiting for me.

Yum.

Rude.

I have my turtles.

You make fun of me and I eat tacos and make fun of me.

I can't do anything right around here.

I have my turdy's warm boulet today.

Yum.

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