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Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy hump day.

Hey you darn jacks.

Want to hump me?

Want to hump you?

I will decline politely.

It's disgusting.

Thank you for the offer.

I know you're surrounded by people who are desperate to hump you though, so I don't feel bad.

I am very blessed.

Thank you for pointing that out.

I'm looking at a gorgeous pill of doot dadoo and I know that he would love to hump you today.

Oh, I think I forgot to, I shared on my Instagram, but a little update with Theo, and I totally forgot to tell you the second part because I found out yesterday.

Me?

So you guys know, we took Theo to the doctor.

His leg was bothering him.

And of course, we ended up discovering he has a heart murmur and I freaked out.

I was crying, crying, crying.

We did a full EKG

and it was probably the best news we could have gotten.

It's very moderate.

He doesn't even need to go on meds.

And now we just monitor it for the rest of his life.

A point might come, it could get worse, but now we know about it.

So we're going to go every six months to get his heart checked.

If it gets worse, he goes on meds.

If it doesn't, it shouldn't, you know, affect his life.

Beautiful.

This I knew.

But then the whole reason we went for his leg, we finally got the answers to, because when he got his heart done, we just got him like a whole body x-ray.

My poor little angel has a bit of moderate arthritis.

That's so Theo, though.

I know.

And that's a tough diagnosis.

If you know Theo, like arthritis is on brand for him and his personality.

I'm surprised I don't have arthritis.

Like it's kind of so me.

Yeah.

Well, don't, like, take away from your boy's shine.

This is his moment, like, not to make arthritis about you.

It wasn't a great diagnosis because, you know, you can't take an antibiotic.

Arthritis is for life.

Same for humans, you know, it's just,

it is what it is.

Of course, I made an appointment with the top arthritis doctor.

No, not the top, just the one that I found.

And I'm on it, you know, given how scared I was, all of this news.

Well, I wish it was, I wish there was no news, but I have to have perspective how much worse this all could have been.

Yes.

So I'm so thankful.

Theo,

always in our hearts.

And I spoke to so many dog moms, especially Cav moms.

You know, the community is small.

It's basically just me and Ariel Charnas.

I spoke to her.

Her Cavalier has a heart murmur.

I feel good.

Everybody gave me really great advice.

And you know what?

It's okay.

It's okay.

He's going to be okay.

It is okay.

He is going to be okay.

We're do strong.

Do strong.

We need to make bracelets like live strong.

That was the craziest time in America.

I know, but it was so pure.

It was like this was this fad and at its core, it was a really great message and it was for like a really good

initiative.

And the bracelets like were so ugly.

And yet the importance of the

message and the initiative outweighed the ugliness of the bracelets.

It wasn't like it was this fat and it was like this designer thing.

It was just like an ugly

rubber yellow bracelet.

That's similar to what I was going to say: is that what I really liked about the trend was that, like, everybody had it, but they weren't attainable.

They weren't hard to come by.

They weren't expensive.

They were only hard to come by in the sense that they were so popular and exclusive.

People were getting like knockoff ones.

Like, do you have an original one or do you have like one off the street?

They weren't expensive if you could get your hands on them, but you couldn't get your hands on them.

We desperately need to bring back Live Strong bracelets.

I can't remember a time when our country has ever been more unified than when we were raising money for

blank

a certain kind of cancer, yes

i i feel like it was

like lance armstrong yeah it was giving lance armstrong for sure i think he was given

testicular and i don't think we were all running around with bracelets for testicular cancer were we i don't think so maybe it was just like live strong blake bracelets

cause

meaning

Yellow silicone wristbands that say Livestrong.

They were created specifically for fundraising purposes for cancer research.

However, as time went on, they became very fashionable and popular i thought you were going to say as time went on it turns out none of the proceeds were helping cancer research

the documentary that's next but i think it's cancer in general love the message such a unifying time for our country god bless america we sold 80 wee 80 million wristbands generating a hundred million dollars in donations for cancer survivors

wait 80 million bracelets only made 100 million they were like about one dollar they weren't expensive that was iconic no like i'm sorry whoever spearheaded that campaign deserves like a canned lion award a nobel piece prize can lion

i guess no because of the of the money raised but it really was about the marketing whoever started wearing them and then eventually like other people you know got crazy and i think they went off into their different sects like i'm sure you could get a pink bracelet that would be for breast cancer like all the different colors and categories people kind of broke off into their own tribes

as humans do that's human nature But never forget the yellow that unified us.

Where did we buy them?

I think, like, probably the Nike store.

That's what I was going to say, but was it a Nike initiative?

Maybe Nike had partnered with Livestrong, and you could probably get them online if people were shopping online.

No, like these days, you would have gotten one on Amazon.

But like, where were we getting Livestrong bracelets?

I feel like they would just materialize in front of you.

They were developed by Nike and its advertising agency, Wyden and Kennedy.

I'm sure that Wyden and Kennedy won something for this.

Ad Age Award.

Yeah.

Wow, throwback.

Throwback.

What were we saying?

Do strong.

Do strong bracelets.

Thank you for tracing back to the origins of that conversation.

We have a great show.

It's Wednesday.

We have three, seriously, top tier deer toasters today.

Ooh, great.

We also have some pretty good stories.

I had actually an abundance that I whittled down.

I also was going to sit here and recap my evening at Heidi Klum's Halloween party, but you know my ass vlogged it for Patreon, so I'll save the exclusive.

But can we talk about my costume really quickly?

Like I know everyone's sick of me and my four costumes.

Oh yeah, because you're that person.

But I think I saved the best for last.

For sure.

That was your most intentional costume.

Yeah, it was like the one I planned out for weeks, like literally not me being on like Poshmark and Etsy.

What was your second costume?

Oh no, your first

was skeleton, then leather leather dress, Travis Fram.

Cheek crack hole.

You got it.

And I just honestly, never in my life would I've styled my hair like that.

Like, if I ever get my hair done, I'm the most boring client ever.

Like, beachy waves.

You think they're doing beachy waves in France?

Like, that's me.

I'm obsessed with wearing my hair like that.

Like, it kind of looked good.

Yeah, why wouldn't it look good?

She was a gorgeous girl.

It was just of a different time, but like, still gorgeous.

That's why it was a good costume, because, you know, you looked really like someone else, but you still looked pretty like I didn't have to put on like a big fake nose, you know well you wouldn't be able to do that because then you would get canceled more so than being an actual anti-Semite, but if you wear a nose, oh no,

oh no, oh no

So yeah, that was my night.

I'm not gonna recap it too much because there was some good celebrity situation.

Actually, I do want to say one thing that happened and I got it in the vlog.

Do you have celebs in your vlog?

Yeah, because me and Ben went with Taylor and Taylor Lautner.

So it's crawling with celebs, your vlog?

It's crawling with celebs.

And after the party, we went to get sushi.

And when we got out of the Uber, there was a girl walking down the street

in costume.

And she was dressed with her boyfriend, her friend, as Shark Boy and Lava Girl.

Oh my God, and you were with Taylor Lautner.

And Taylor saw them when we were getting out of the car and just like walked right over to them.

And Jackie, like they,

I don't know, Jackie, they were guffod.

As they should be.

They were shocked.

He was wearing a wig, so he like ripped the wig off because nobody was able to like tell who he was in the wig.

It was honestly the cutest thing ever.

They were freaking out.

No, that's not okay.

That would be like you running into Fran Drescher in your costume.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Do a lot of people dress up as shark boy and lava girl?

Honestly, I feel like, yeah.

It's a good niche costume.

Yeah.

And they were just dying, screaming, taking a thousand pictures.

No, I'm seriously not okay for these people.

So you got it in the vlog?

Yeah, my dumb ass like stopped recording in the middle and I'm holding up my phone and I think I'm recording the whole time and I'm literally not.

It's okay.

But I tried to, I got it in the vlog.

So that was just what, it's a really good vlog.

I'm so excited to watch.

Also, Ben's story last night was so crazy of every piece of sushi.

Where did you go?

And who allowed him to, I couldn't, what was it, 40 pieces of sushi on his story?

Jackie, think about being there being so hungry and not eating sushi.

Oh, but like, was he on his phone the whole time taking pictures of sushi?

Yeah.

And did he ever, like, was it kind of like a prank?

Like, I'm just going to like spam my feed with 40 pieces of sushi.

I wasn't wasn't like thinking so much about Ben's social media strategy.

I was thinking about how absolutely ravenous I was.

And you know like omakase, it's omakase, which is like that type of sushi where you sit at the bar, there's no menu, like they just give you piece by piece and you eat what they give you.

That song is actually really about the omakase experience.

It is.

And I had to say like, oh no, I'm not doing the omakase.

Like, can I have a bowl of rice?

Did you guys?

And yeah, but the thing about omakase is like, it's a really serious like Japanese tradition.

Like they don't take lightly to your American bullshit.

Yeah.

But they do, especially the ones in New York, they know kosher style.

So Ben couldn't just like sit down and be like, you know, fuck it up.

He had to say, like, no shellfish.

And they know kosher style.

So that they're not bothered by.

Like, they're actually really accommodating.

For me, like, I was trying so hard to be like, you know, funny and be like, aha.

And eventually I think I won the chef over, but he takes his craft really seriously.

And some of like me coming and taking a seat at this table at this bar, the restaurant that seats maybe eight people, they were like, get the fuck out of here, bitch.

Why did you go there?

Well, so we were trying to make a dinner reservation.

It was a Tuesday.

It was like 11 o'clock there weren't many options a diner

so i that was a backup option but like you know this is a group of people who like enjoy fine dining omakase or a diner i mean for me it's always gonna be a diner for ben it's always gonna be omakase i've never had omakase

If you enjoy sushi and like you really respect the art of sushi, like you watch the documentary, Jiro Dreams of Sushi, you will love it.

I'm like half of it.

I like sushi.

I don't know that, like, I've not seen the documentary.

I respect sushi.

You didn't see Jiro Dreams of Sushi?

No.

I feel like there was a time when that was like the documentary everyone was talking about, remember?

Yeah.

But it just added to the list with Avatar things everyone saw that I didn't.

For me, it's Wedding Crashers.

You're wrong for that.

And it's not like I have something against Wedding Crashers.

It's just I'm like merely circumstantial.

Like I've never seen it.

That's really crazy.

And it's only on TV, so I've seen bits and pieces of it.

Like definitely, I've seen the scene where you know they crush the wedding

but that's it

okay you should it's you should remedy that you would like it it's it's just no i know it's just a crazy thing about me that is pretty crazy i'm sure you've told me that before but it feels like the first time the very first time Oh god, let's not go down this rabbit hole.

Some of our older toasters were literally their ears were bleeding listening to us talk about like 80s rock for sure.

We knew it would.

Like as I was speaking, I was like, I knew we were, you knew you were causing pain.

I knew I was veering into territory I should not be in.

It feels like the first time.

Who sings that song yet?

No.

Who sings it?

No clue.

I think, oh, it was like

a band that we hadn't heard of, and that's what started the whole thing.

It was like, no, no, no.

The revolutionists or something.

I thought what started.

The fundamentalists.

I thought what started it was

the foreigner.

Thank you.

That's what I said.

But I thought what started it was the song, and it brings out the woman in.

Oh, wait, it's the same song.

We have to stop.

We have to stop.

Maybe, since we keep going to this place, like maybe we were meant to be here.

Right.

Maybe the universe is bringing us to this place to begin our journey.

Your journey, the band.

Oh, people that like that keep calling it the band journey.

But like, I don't want you guys to think I'm talking about a journey.

Like, oh, wait, also, I meant to issue a correction.

Randy Jackson was in journey, like, briefly.

He played backup.

He wasn't like an official member, but he's definitely a part of their history.

So, you're saying Google got it right?

Yeah, shocking.

That is

okay, cool.

What were we saying?

I had one more thing to say about whatever we were saying.

Dear Toasters, Omakase, my journey at Heidi's Halloween.

Heidi's Halloween.

Did you see the peacock in IRL?

I

did not.

Cool.

One year, I just want her to go as, like, you know,

like a nurse.

Yeah, from Spirit Halloween.

Like, I think that would be the only thing that could actually shock people at this point.

Yeah, she, I feel like, is getting more and more extreme every year.

Like, last year was the worm.

Yeah.

The year before that, she dresses herself with like a bunch of clones.

That one was, I thought was cute.

I just feel like she's on this vicious hamster wheel where she has to keep outdoing herself.

And honestly, she needs to reset.

She needs to reset.

Like, go to Spirit Halloween off the rack show up see what happens off the rack yeah

okay well let's get into everything because we have a lot to accomplish today oh we didn't even talk about toastawene how well received that was yesterday was a crazy long day and toastawene was a highlight i think that's gonna go in our hall of fame ben shirtle made the episode

made the episode i seriously like i can't

He's deeply unwell.

And Halloween is the time where he gets to really express that side of himself because I'm always like suppressing it.

Yeah.

And I'm glad that he got that out of his system.

It was so great on the episode.

It was so funny.

And I loved every minute of being Jason Kelsey.

I too enjoy being Trav.

I like being a man once a year.

I like being a man too, honestly.

It's so chill.

It's so chill.

And even the way we were sitting.

No, I missed crossing my legs.

You could see I was like fighting it the whole time.

By the way, during the ads, I was crossing my legs because I could go back to being turdy.

And then, when the ads were over, I had to start man spreading again.

Man spreading is like not that comfortable, yeah.

But I guess it's because we don't have penises yet,

right?

Next year's Halloween.

Next Halloween, we're gonna get really

serious,

we're gonna get really serious, so into character.

I think honestly, I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable than having a dick.

Like,

who needs that?

Yeah,

not us.

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Our first story, new Flame of Thrones.

Sophie Turner has moved on from Joe Jonas as she snogs a UK aristocrat who has just ditched his royal ex.

Oh, I'm obsessed.

Yeah, so Sophie Turner shared a tender kiss with one of Britain's most eligible bachelors who has just ditched a real-life princess.

Sophie wrapped her arms around aristocrat Peregrine Pearson, whose family are said to be worth 224 million pounds, as he courteously removes.

What's the conversion?

Let me just look.

I need to do it.

He told us one-to-one.

So I think it's a little

more dollars, but it's always changing these days.

The dollar is crazy right

right pounds crap dollars

i just need to see it's not 272 272 272

um he removed his hat to snog her in paris and then they reunited later at the rugby world cup where she presented the trophy to the rugby world cup looking amazing looking so gorgeous in a in such a cool gorgeous outfit also worth noting peregrine is the heir of the fourth viscount cowdre and he split from King Charles' goddaughter, model Princess Maria Olympia of Greece and Denmark 27 in September.

Olympia.

Okay, I needed to just like look up a picture of this man so I could visualize.

I didn't hear this story, so you're delivering this news to me in real time.

To the sun, go to the sun.

They have the photo of them kissing on the street in Paris and the photo of the ex-girlfriend, photo from rugby.

It had the team.

I'm obsessed with this.

I feel like,

remember how we always say, like, when Joe Jonas was dating Gigi Ideed, it was like very hard for him to like top that.

And he ended up with Sophie Turner and honestly, like, crushed it.

And same goes now for Sophie Turner.

Like, the Jonas brothers are really like America's sweetheart.

They're so famous.

Where do you go from there?

Honestly, like, it's hard.

You really do have to pivot.

Like, and pivot she did.

Pivot she did.

This is a wonderful pivot.

We know she wants to be spending time in the UK.

Nothing like a homegrown boy.

Okay, I'm looking at these photos.

Let me say, I love what she's wearing

to this rugby.

Oh, rugby.

I love what she's wearing.

She's got great style.

Obsessed.

Oh, his ex-girlfriend was King Charles's goddaughter.

I said that, but I'm sorry.

I was looking for pictures and I wasn't listening.

She's so like classic British aristocrat looking girl.

She looks like the type of girl who dated Prince Harry.

Freak in Denmark, aristocrat, yeah.

Obsessed.

He's very handsome.

He's not like so hot, which I think is good.

Nobody wants to date someone who's like so hot.

Then you always have to be just like looking over your shoulder at, you know, what harlot is trying to steal your man.

But for sure, you still need to look over your shoulder.

They want to steal your aristocrat too.

A hundred percent.

I'm obsessed with this situation.

Aristocracy is exactly what Sophie needed.

For real.

Like she's a British queen.

She's queen of the north.

Yeah.

And I love her.

Yeah.

I feel like that's, that's her vibe.

I'm sure he like.

gets down.

She likes to have a good time.

They can, you know, travel the world, go to these events, have a good time.

Like he's on her level.

Like there's nowhere that like he gets invited to that they wouldn't be more than happy to have her at, you know?

Yeah.

And, and I'm sure like same goes for him.

Like there's nowhere he can't get into.

It's like, it's like that, that TikTok.

Do you know who my father is?

Right, right.

When I'm at his club,

I am so happy.

I also do feel like someone could say like, this is relatively quick.

I don't fucking care.

I feel like when it's so contentious, and it was, I'm sorry, you can't convince me with like the media.

Like you're, the love you had is gone.

You are so ready to be loved and moved on.

I'm obsessed.

Does this guy have kids?

I don't think so.

I don't think he's ever been married.

He's 29, so probably not.

He's probably like, you know, a little bit

bachelor boy, but I feel like he would give it all up for Sophie.

No, I'm so happy.

I'm sure people will be like, she's moving on too quickly.

Like, I agree with you.

I don't care.

Who knows how miserable they were for how long?

And like, she's young.

Like, get back out there.

Yeah, no, like, what?

We should be wasting our lives being missed.

There's so much joy in your life.

And it's like, even if this isn't like her next relationship, it might be soon for a relationship just because you need to grieve and everything.

Like, why can't you have fun?

Why can't you enjoy life?

That's a good question.

Whatever happened to fun,

love, I love this, and she's just so chic.

And like, these types of events, like no other celebrities going to like the World Cup of Rugby, like it's so elevated.

Yeah, it is.

And I guess we'll just have to wait and see who Joe dates.

I feel like he's

like not going to date someone for a while.

Yeah, but I think he'll impress with whoever he, like, who he dates next.

He has nice taste in the ladies.

He does.

He does.

That's very true.

They all do.

They all do.

Everyone does, because women are wonderful.

It's so true.

So true.

So congrats, Sophie.

We will be keeping a close eye on these two.

I feel like it's been so long since you told me something on the toast like I genuinely had no idea about.

I love that for us.

Like I hadn't even heard i love that breaking news for turdy me too because and maybe for some other people yeah look up these pics the son has the pic they're like at the train station smooching

love yeah

okay let's get into our next story you ready

there's been some fallout from this variety bravo article that came out i saw two notable things first bethany frankel and ebony k williams are kind of um beefing beefing bethany clapped back at Ebony for telling her to fuck off with a screenshot of a conversation from three years ago.

So in response to the Variety article and

Bethany, you know, championing the real housewives and unionizing whatever,

Bethany had said, she expressed a negative opinion about the reality stars efforts.

Sorry.

Ebony said, you think I'm going to let some white girl speak for me with my experience with a billion-dollar corporation.

Right.

They were referring to this lawsuit and then Bethany's like representing a lot of people and Ebony was asked like, are you a part of this?

And she's like, uh-no.

Right.

So then Bethany posted a screenshot of her DMs with Ebony.

She wrote in response to Ebony K.

Williams telling me to fuck off.

And it was a message from Ebony from June 2020 saying, we met on a private flight from Palm Beach to New York City a couple of years ago.

Just thank you, thanking you for consistently using your platform for tangible change.

And then Bethany responded when she saw it in August 2022, wow, I I never saw this.

Thanks.

And I'm sorry so late.

So I guess it's Bethany saying like, oh, you didn't want me to fuck off then, but now I'll fuck, you know, like,

I don't think that screenshot really proves anything.

It just proves like she was once a

fan.

But she's not being a, like, if the message had said, like, oh my God, Kelly, if I met you, like, love, here's the picture he took.

Like, I don't think it's like a damning thing.

Actually, I think what Ebony said is like a very

respectful and nice compliment.

Like, of all the things someone could say to Bethany, like to, to commend her on her charity is so, it's such a nice thing.

So, I don't really feel like this message proves anything other than like Ebony being a nice girl.

Yeah, I think it just proves that at one point, like, Ebony had respect for Bethany and now she's telling her to fuck off.

Yeah, and I'm sure Ebony now has a lot more experience with Bethany.

You think?

Yeah.

What would their experience have been?

Like, I feel like

the way that I don't know when I when I hear about like things Bethany said about the new Roney women, it's like so.

I am am sure at the time, I don't remember.

I am sure when

Ebony came on the show, I'm sure Bethany wasn't, you know, receptive woman supporting woman queen.

Understood.

Okay.

Like, I don't know, Ebony's not a mean person.

I don't think Ebony would say something about Bethany unless she had a reason to dislike her, honestly.

Yeah, or she just doesn't want to be a part of whatever Bethany's got cooking for whatever reason.

Like she may, she wants to do her own thing.

Like, she's not going to have Bethany for her.

Like, plus, as we said, like, Bethany did get so much from the show.

She, like, she's not in the same position as the people that she's claiming to want to champion.

It's true.

And also,

I think with her own, with her union and her lawsuit, I think a lot of people feel like Bethany, her heart is definitely in the right place, but she might have some ulterior motives and like her being the face of the movement.

So maybe Ebony's like, no, if I have my own experience, like I'm going to champion that on my own, not.

under someone's umbrella.

Maybe that's what she was saying.

Yeah, but a fuck off is a little strong.

Agreed.

But sometimes, you know, you say things in a strong way.

No, and I know if somebody ever transcribes something I said, it comes off transcript.

Harsher.

It does.

I'm always like, oh, that bitch.

But I'm not calling that person a B-I-T-Ch.

I'm like, oh, that bitch, you know?

Yeah.

Oh, or it can be like, oh, fuck off with that.

Not like, fuck off.

Yeah.

So verbal transcriptions honestly do nobody any favors.

I agree.

But then the second part of the variety thing that I think is bigger than you.

Ramona.

Ramona has been dropped from Bravocon after using a partial racial slur in a text to a page six reporter.

So

Ramona, as we discussed on the show when the variety article came out, there was a allegation that there was a hot sheet

that had, that said that Ramona used the N-word.

And then Ramona texted a page six reporter a screenshot of a page six article.

The screenshot that said this, the real estate, real estate broker's comment about Roney not needing black people reportedly made producer's hot sheet, a post-filming document that recounts on-camera dialogue and action in detail.

And Ramona texted that to the reporter and said, this never was on the hot sheet.

If you read Vanity Fair article, please remove.

And the reporter wrote back, that was changed yesterday.

Then so Ramona was texting with a page six reporter.

The page six reporter was kind of recapping, writing other stories for page six about the vanity fair.

And they clearly misrepresented what the vanity fair article said.

So Ramona was just like clearing her name.

And then Ramona said, This is also upsetting.

And the word I used was, quote, N-word.

Like,

this is going to be a very hard story.

Right, right.

She said, I used the word N-word.

Like,

she said it?

No.

Like, N-word.

She wrote N-W-O-R-D.

N-W-O-R-D.

Okay.

That's the word she used.

Not the slur.

So Ramona texted

N-W-O-R-D to the page six.

Yes.

And she said, that's what she said.

When the article said, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

The article said, Ramona was saying she never used the real word.

She just said quote.

Yeah, N-word.

Say real word.

Yeah.

Perfect.

Yeah.

This is hard.

So Ramona's telling the page six person, I never used real word.

The word I used was N-word.

And then she goes, not N dash G, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

So the N dash.

Ramona has got to be stopped.

So the N dash G is the partial slur that Ramona used that's gotten her dropped from Bravocon.

Honestly, I highly doubt it was just

this.

It's the whole thing.

Like,

I don't know if they would have dropped her.

I think they would have dropped her just anyways.

But like, like, but why would they, this is my issue with all of this.

It's like, they drop her now, even though they had her at the last BravoCon when this had already been done.

They knew they knew this was done.

This is not new information to anyone there.

It's just about like how they look to the public perception.

What do you actually fucking stand for?

No, that's so true.

It's so true because Ebony said and in the article, like this whole thing happened in like 2021.

Yeah.

So it's years.

We had heard like rumors about it.

There was an investigation and they didn't feel compelled to do anything out of, you know, the goodness of their heart or out of righteousness or out of what they felt was right and wrong.

Now it came out in Vanity Fair.

They still didn't even do anything.

And then this text message, which if everything in the Vanity Fair article is true, this text message is small in the grand scheme of things.

Right.

Like this text is going to be what's she's getting asked for after all the other allegations.

Like it just, it's very.

But that's so broad like we see this all the time about like things happen years before and it's not until like they get some heat even though they knew about these things like endor like things were proceeded as right ramona was on ultimate girls trip like they don't really care it's just about public perception which is lame yeah

so now so i guess this is like really the probably the final straw for ramona with the network but i feel like she was really done with the network both like there's not really a job for her because they don't they're not doing roney legacy i guess she was doing the ultimate girls trips but she's also said she's like done with it she's in a great place and she's just living her life yeah but if she was going to bravo con like that's the thing with bravo con really created like another dimension of bravo lebridies of people who aren't on the air but who still will come to bravo bravo con maybe be on watch having live like the shots of sunset people were at bravo con last year and the show had been do you get paid to go to bravo con

I don't think so.

I don't think so either, but I feel like it's.

But you get an opportunity to do like a thing at your, at a booth for your brand.

Like you can sell t-shirts, your merch.

So you make money.

But also, if you went on Housewives for fame, like that's probably the most famous you'll ever feel.

Rewarding.

That's like what we talked about this week when the article came out.

The housewife who said, How will I ever be happier than this?

Because she was just like showered with love and fame.

And your name is being chanted.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I do feel like this has to be sort of the end of the road for Ramona's relationship with Bravo in any capacity.

It's just so

weak from Bravo that it's because of this based on everything else that was said and she's still in a relationship with them.

And it was like buried.

Yeah.

But

if they stand so against this, and

where were you when it happened?

Where were you then?

I also feel like this article, like, yes, we're talking about the fallout and like the backlash, but I don't really feel like it moved the needle that much.

I don't think people were really shocked by anything in it.

Yeah.

And I don't think they really care.

Yeah, I haven't really heard much aside from like what the two things I just shared, but that's also me seeking it out for stories today.

Like I really didn't care about it organically on my own.

Right.

So that's what's going on in the Bravo world.

Are you excited for BravoCon?

I am.

I actually like leave really soon.

I need to get outfits and

I'm lit.

You should re-wear what you wore for Halloween last night, like as a regular outfit for life.

Really?

Okay.

Like France, she has style.

She had flair.

She was there.

That's how became Shanani, but she also like, like, had eternally good style.

Style, yeah, she was kind of timeless.

Free idea.

Love that.

Love.

Actually, there's more going on in the Bravo world.

Oh.

Summerhouse's star Lindsay Hubbard has broken her silence about her humiliating split from Carl Radke.

So Lindsay sat down for an interview with us weekly and is

mentioning it all.

I feel like she could have gotten like a bigger exclusive, you know?

Yeah, I wonder.

She was at a rooftop and lounge.

I don't know.

She's weekly.

There's some pics.

She looks great.

And she's talking about how she's been doing since the split.

She said the first month she allowed herself to feel all of the feelings, go through the sadness, the pain, the whiplash.

She said, I process things by talking about my emotions and my friends allowed me that space.

She said, the way that Carl handled everything was such an absolute betrayal of my trust.

And when that happens, it makes it easier to pick yourself up and put yourself out there again.

Yeah, I get that because it's like, oh, I'm so done with this person.

They're not the person I thought they were.

She also said she had no idea this was coming.

She said, said every couple has normal arguments, but nothing that would have been so drastic as to break up.

It was literally the last two weeks of summer that his demeanor and tone changed.

There was a lot of combativeness and aggression on his end, and I was very confused.

She said, planning the wedding was high stress, plus we were filming all summer.

I think people got in his ear, but it's not normal to call off a wedding because you had a couple of arguments.

She said the breakup was absolutely humiliating.

It would have been one thing if the conversation happened over the summer during the normal filming schedule, but for Carl to call up producers and then set up cameras and manipulate me into sitting down so he could break up with me after we'd already wrapped is scary.

The whole world found out within 30 minutes of me.

She said she had the most amazing group of girlfriends who rallied around her and supported her, including Danielle.

They are very close again, but I think also some of the other girls in the summer house, she said other girls were there for her.

And

I don't know, if everything she's saying is true, like then that's crazy.

But there really are two sides to every story.

And like I,

I, I have such a hard time seeing this being the reality where, like,

one day he wakes up, calls a camera crew, and breaks up with her.

You know, it's like the other things had to happen.

Well, she said it was two weeks.

I think they were arguing a lot, which is pretty normal for

fiance three months before a wedding.

And maybe just to one person, it's like, okay, this is a normal amount of pre-wedding arguing and we're destined to be together.

And for another person, it's like, this means no.

Yeah.

This means we shouldn't be together.

Really?

I was actually really shocked when they broke up.

More shocked than them getting together and getting engaged.

Everybody was so shocked there, we're moving so quick.

Like none of that shocked me.

This shocked me.

Yeah.

Me too.

It still shocks me.

And I feel like I won't be able to

come to terms with it until I watch the season.

Because like right now, I'm reading this.

I'm being like, get back together.

It's literally never.

No, but once I watch the season, I'm going to be like, never.

That's how I feel about every like relationship that at one point I loved, like Lala and Randall.

Now, ugh,

ugh, black, black.

Yeah, that's such a good point.

I

wonder what it'll be like for them at Bravocon.

Like, they're still, like, coworkers.

Yeah.

And she was also saying, like, it's hard because he was her best friend.

Like, she not only lost her fiancé, but like, that friendship is done.

No, yeah, she, like, really isolated herself, too.

Everyone sort of.

They isolated themselves, but everybody kind of like pushed them away.

Yeah.

So they were on an island of just them two and now they don't even have each other.

I'm glad she's friends with Danielle again.

And I feel like annoyed because them breaking up kind of validates everything Danielle was feeling.

But I stand by, like, nobody has ever acted crazier or worse or has been more wrong than Danielle on this season of Summer Hunter.

I agreed.

And Lindsay said in this interview that she still doesn't think they went too fast because when you create a friendship that we

that we had over eight years, you know, this person, you know, their quirks, flaws, and boundaries.

You bypass that getting to know Euphi.

So I agree.

Like something happened

that summer.

And maybe we'll see.

You're saying it happened one summer?

It happened one summer.

She said she gave the ring to her jeweler to sell.

She needs to make up for all the lost money on the wedding.

Like, she's just being like, real as fuck.

That's real as fuck that she kept the ring.

I don't know.

Well, he broke up with her.

So yeah, fuck you.

I feel like the only really appropriate time to give the ring back is like

if you're calling it off and like this guy's so in love with you and it's just like the wrong thing to do.

Yeah.

Or like if it's a family heirloom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's going to be writing a book, too.

Love that for her.

Monetize, girl.

Capitalize on the moment.

Yeah.

So it's a very extensive interview.

Check it out in us weekly.

No stone left unturned.

No stone left unturned.

Are you ready for our next story?

It's our fourth story.

And you're ready.

Speaking of Cannes Lions Awards, one of the best ads I've ever seen.

has just come out.

Mean Girls Cast has reunited for an epic Walmart shopping spot for Black

Bin.

I don't know.

I watched his ad this morning.

Claudia, it looks like the mean girl sequel that's coming out.

It was so good and well written.

Everyone's in it except for Regina, of course.

What?

Yeah, but we knew that she doesn't really fuck with them.

But Lindsay Lohan, Amanda Safreed, Lacey Schabert, Daniel Franzis, who's Damien, and Rajiv Surindra, who's Kevin G, is in it.

And they all have like their children.

Okay, I'm watching it, but watch it.

Oh, it's two minutes long.

It's worth it.

You're not going to want it to end.

And Wednesdays, we still wear pink.

It answers me, oh, those are their kids.

But now we shop Walmart Black Friday deals.

Oh, this is good.

This is good.

Kevin J.

Kevin Jr.,

I was still getting schooled.

Gruel.

Huh?

What's gruel?

Oh, it's nothing.

Man, I don't have to sex songs.

I'm dead.

If you have Walmart Plus, you will.

Okay, I will finish watching it later.

Nobody needs to watch me watch the whole thing.

But I love, first of all, high production value.

I cannot believe Regina wasn't in it.

That's really losery of her.

I'm sorry.

Like, I'm sorry, it's not like everyone in the crew is a big loser.

Like, Lindsay Lowe.

Amanda Seafried?

Amanda Seafried.

Like, come on, do better

Rachel do better she probably didn't expect that it would be this good because most things aren't especially if it's like I don't know the Walmart writers writing a commercial for mean girls but like that looks like a premise for the next movie it's like Gretchen's daughter you need to like keep watching and then also what's exciting is they're gonna keep releasing new commercials every Wednesday until their Black Friday sale so oh by the way these girls are getting paid like paid it's Walmart it's multiple ads it's the usage of like you know

the mean girls

IP but I feel like the writing was so good and the premise was so good.

And they are doing a sequel.

I wonder if this is the concept.

It's like Gretchen's daughter is the new Regina.

Katie is the guy.

Katie Herron being the guidance counselor is the best thing.

Like that was her story arc.

Like,

who, who better to guide the kids than somebody who was so misguided?

Yeah, no, and like Gretchen's like kids doing TikTok dance and she's like, yep.

It's really perfection.

Oh, I love that.

I can't get past the Rachel McAdams thing.

It's so lusary.

losery.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

And it's lusery, especially that it's so good and she's not a part of it.

Yeah.

No, and I'm sorry.

Like Amanda, I would argue Amanda Siefried is more highbrow actress, like out of the two of them.

I think I would.

I would only say no because like Rachel has made me feel this way by not, by abstaining.

Right.

And I guess like she wasn't an Oscar-nominated film.

Spotlight?

Spotlight.

But I feel like Amanda Sefried goes to the Oscars.

Yeah.

I mean, she did Elizabeth Holmes.

Yeah.

Maybe she doesn't go to the Oscars.

We've, we've been down this road before.

We have.

Of, like, looking up what Amanda Siefried has been in and assessing whether or not she's a big star.

She's a big star.

Like a A-list.

Like fancy.

Fancy.

I just, like, honestly,

I love this.

It's so well done.

I agree.

I can't wait to watch the whole thing.

But it, it makes me look at Rachel McAdams differently.

It does.

Like, I'm sorry.

Yeah, but it also reminds me towards the end of Mean Girls when, like, the three of them were hanging out without her.

And she kind of like went and she became like a field hockey player.

Maybe she's, you know, at the Olympics.

Oh,

maybe that's next Wednesday.

She should jump in.

It's how jump in.

She'll probably get a couple mil.

It probably is too late.

I believe they've all been filmed.

But she could do like something like Samantha Jones calling in on the phone.

Remote, yeah.

Remote.

Where she's like a field hockey coach for her daughter's soccer team.

And they're traveling the world.

I love being a field hockey coach for a soccer team.

If anyone could do it, it's Regina George.

Yeah.

So that's some exciting ad news.

Yeah, that's cute.

It's nice when companies like make waves, not in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, also, you need to keep watching because it's also such a good ad for their Black Friday sale, which starts on Wednesday.

I know everything about Walmart deals.

By the way, it's Black Friday season.

Did you see that meme going around like, hey, stores, we don't need any more flat screen TVs.

Do the groceries.

Yeah.

It's just so true.

Kathy Hilton posted that meme.

That's why I saw it.

That's really funny and really true.

Do like, we need a

do eggs.

Do eggs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I made some egg bites yesterday.

I'm sure you saw.

I saw.

Oh, did you get any trigger traders?

A few.

Did you?

I got two and Ben, I was in the bath for one of them.

So Ben answered the the door.

I missed one.

How was the experience?

Honestly, extremely unpleasant.

Why?

Because I just ate all the candy.

Yeah, that's the hard part.

I didn't even have a good selection because the store was out of like the mixed bags because I was late.

So what'd you get?

I got like a bag of mini crunch bars, mini Hershey bars, and mini Snickers.

So I only had three different types.

Crunch bars.

I was limited.

People like them.

I don't.

No, the thing is they get away with a lot because you think that they're like good and crunchy and chocolatey, but they suck.

No, let me tell you why they get away with a lot because they're a distant cousin of the bunch of crunch and bunch of crunch is still

right.

I'll do it in bunch bars.

They're all crunch coattails.

A hundred percent.

I feel like crunch bars, who's actually buying them?

They only ever show up.

But nobody is.

Yeah, and like, especially the biggest.

Nobody seeks out a crunch bar.

So I ate a lot of candy this Halloween and not even good candy.

That's the worst.

Like if I had eaten like good Milky Ways, like good shit, I would have felt like, all right, you know what?

I ate a shit ton of candy, but at least I enjoyed myself.

I was like hating myself eating these crunch bars.

Yeah,

I understand.

I'm sorry, Turdy Lou.

It's a tail as old as time.

Are you ready for what, in your opinion, when there's a big bowl of mixed candy, like, what do you go for?

What's the number one?

Like, what are you always looking for?

I always, Twix is my number one, and it's also very ubiquitous.

It's pretty much in every bowl.

So, I'll always go for the Twix.

I also love Almond Joy

and I like a milk dud.

I feel like there's no better candy.

Like, Milky Way is the number one candy.

And I feel like nobody agrees.

Like, I think a lot of people agree with you.

I will never really electively eat a Milky Way or a Snickers until they're the last ones.

And then I would eat the Snickers first and then the Milky Way.

Wow.

But it's always Twix first for me.

Twix is always last for me.

Have you ever seen the Milky Ways that are in the yellow packaging and it's just caramel?

It's like extra caramel.

Also, like a pack of MMs I would grab.

Always.

I like a York

peppermint patty.

That's like a healthy candy.

Do you know what I mean?

Almond Joy and York.

Like, those are like, that's like toxic diet almond mom type things.

Three musketeers is.

Okay.

I hear you, but I want to say

musketeers.

I was going to say I like a three musketeers, but since they're so airy, they are a little less caloric.

And back to the Milky Way.

So, of course, there's the tiny little fun size.

Yeah.

Then there's the smaller snack size.

That is just the perfect size candy.

Yeah, fun size.

Like honestly, I love a Milky Way.

I don't think I could really finish the big one.

Like seriously, I need like three glasses of milk.

Like it's so dry.

Yeah.

Also, but then I feel like Milky Ways, they kind of have a surplus of Milky Way midnights, which are not good.

I'm so glad you're talking about the Milky Way midnights because we need to fucking tell you about it.

Just stop making them.

Nobody's ever electedly going for a Milky Way midnight over a Milky Way regular.

Stop making them.

It's basically just, I don't know, by the way, I've never even had one.

It's just a Milky Way with dark chocolate.

It's midnights and it's wrong.

Midnights, it's disgusting.

Mars?

That's probably the company.

Stop.

Stop.

Milky Way midnights are an industry planned.

Yeah, they're fucking everybody.

Nobody's actually buying them.

I know that my bowl downstairs is only the Milky Way midnights are left because nobody wanted to.

Oh, also, I I can't believe we've had this conversation because I'm also always going to go first for a Kit Kat

obsessed that we can agree on

that I think everybody can agree on we'll meet at the Kit Kats have you ever been to Hershey Park like Hershey World the factory have you

yeah

oh because I think you went to a camp where they took you but I didn't go to that camp it's one of the most magical places on earth like Disney adults I'll never understand Hershey adults I understand

adults greater than

a hundred

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Yeah, well.

Our fifth and final story: Turdy's Choice.

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Turdy's choice.

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If I was a DoorDasher, I wouldn't even fucking accept that.

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I mean, duh.

Duh.

No, I was shocked when I found out that there on certain apps, you can place your order, put in a tip, and then after the order is delivered, you can change the tip to zero.

That's what people do to get their things prioritized.

Like, seriously, those people should be banned from the app.

You should get like a few chances to be able to do that.

Like, what if your delivery experience was actually crap?

Right.

But if you do that, like more than a certain amount of times in a certain period of time like you should be banned from the app 100

100 because you know what ordering food is a privilege so if you are going to be placing an order for delivery you know that's more expensive than cooking at home you have to be prepared to tip your driver like i'm sorry you are vile you are disgusting and don't do it yeah It shouldn't even be an option, by the way.

Like the absolute minimum that they charge you, okay, like if you want to be really cheap, like 5%,

but there should be, you shouldn't even be allowed on any of these apps to do 0%.

Yeah.

So, and honestly, more of the apps should be doing this.

I feel like a lot of these apps, whether it's like for like Uber rides or delivery, like they should have a more concerted effort to get their ride, their drivers, whether it be for deliveries or just for, you know, trips.

There should be more of an effort on the platform to make it

impossible to not do it.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, it goes back to this bigger question about tipping in general.

Like tipping culture, I think that's a different thing.

Especially in this country, it's like out of control.

Like people come here from other countries and they don't tip it like weight service in other countries because it's baked into the cost of whatever you're doing.

And so it's a question of like,

should the

platform charge more and pay the drivers more?

Or is it on people to tip?

I mean, I, I'm not one of these people who's doing zero dollar tips.

So I like, but I feel for the people who aren't getting tipped and shouldn't be on the platforms to pay their workers more.

We live, we live in an insane tipping culture.

I'm not, I don't think that this refers to that because this is a scenario where a person deserves to be tipped.

You went grocery shopping, you did all the heavy lifting, you deserve a tip.

The joke, running joke where they flip the iPad around after somebody brings you a cup of water, like that is insane.

Tipping culture has gotten so far out of control, but there are actual tasks, especially with all these apps, when somebody does like a job for you.

Do you think that it should be on the app?

Like Instacart, like the tip is baked into the Instacart fee, which should be more.

That way no one gets to the business.

No, I think

Instacart charged more for their services so that it and it went to the and then and then they just paid a livable wage to their drivers.

I don't know because things like Instacart, somebody doing grocery shopping for you, like that's that's like a typical thing, you know, like they're I can't explain it.

It's like,

yeah, to me, that's like a typical job.

But I guess a world in which, like, restaurants paid all their staff a nice, hefty

sum salary, and you don't tip everybody.

Like, to me, that makes sense.

But somebody doing your grocery shopping for you, that's like a, like they're doing you a favor almost.

Like, you tip someone who's doing you a favor.

Yeah, but I feel like you could always still add tip, add more tip, but then it makes it so that if the person got no tip, which is so crazy to do no

unfathomable

And that makes it so even if they did get zero tip, like they still got paid decently for that.

And I'm sorry, if you can't afford to tip, then you shouldn't be ordering.

It's not right.

No, it's not.

No, I don't know what the answer is for tip culture, honestly.

Like I, there are parts that are like so crazy.

Arguments can be made for both both ways.

But then it's like, but then when the company winds up charging you more, they wind up taking more.

The thing about the tip that the funding

goes to the person.

So even if it's really the companies are cool.

Yeah, even if Instacart was like, okay, we're going to charge you a 15% service fee and that's going to be the tip, so don't worry about tipping.

Like, would they give the whole 15% to the driver?

Probably not.

Nah.

No.

It's, by the way, a big portion of the fault goes on the companies.

But companies gonna company, you know?

Right, right.

We still have to be decent human beings.

You know, I see shit like this all the time, like dash cam or ring doorbell footage of like somebody, like a DoorDash driver coming back and being like, you took my tip away.

I literally carried like cases of water for you.

Like, it's disgusting.

It's disgusting.

Taking the tip away is so crazy.

At least if you're going to do zero, then submit it as zero and

see if anybody buys.

You get what you pay for.

Yeah.

No, more of these types of companies should should be doing more things like this.

Like, oh, you're not going to tip?

That's fine.

Good luck getting someone to agree to take your task off.

Yeah, and you really shouldn't be able to edit the tip down.

You should be able to edit it.

Without like tangible proof.

Like, no, it's like if they went and they picked out all rotten berries and bright, you know what I mean?

Right.

Or like cracked all your eggs.

Right.

Like you should be able to send pictures

and you can

bring your tip down.

But like it shouldn't be so easy.

No, even like if somebody like gets the wrong thing for me, like I never bring the tips together.

They still tried to trip.

They tried.

They still tried.

It would have to be like, seriously, an intentionally horrible experience where it took hours.

All my berries had mold on them.

They bought the.

No, but even if my products were bad, I would ask for a refund from the store, but I wouldn't take somebody's tip away.

Like, I'm sorry, nobody intentionally goes out of their way to hurt me via cross-border.

I'm going to refund the product, which they typically do.

Yes.

Yes.

No.

People are really disgusting.

Yeah.

No, this is why we can't have nice things.

It is a privilege to order food.

Yep.

Or groceries.

And you have to be prepared to pay the piper.

All right.

Are you ready for Tear Toasters?

I'm really excited about that.

Okay, Teer Toasters is our weekly advice segment where we do three submissions.

You can email us deartoas at gmail.com or you can go to our website, the toastpodcast.com.

There's a submission box.

They're both totally anonymous.

We do three submissions a week.

We just try to help the girlies, you know, with what they're going through.

And I think today will be no different.

Ready?

Hey, girlies, I think I did something really bad.

Am I the asshole?

I created a hinge for my brother without him knowing.

He is in a relationship.

No one likes the girl, not even my brother.

He's too nice and doesn't want to hurt her feelings and break up with her.

He has tried a few times, but she cries and he chickens out.

Last year, the girlfriend asked to move in with him to save money on rent.

She's also a bartender and he lives closer to where she works.

Our parents and friends do not like her personality and they don't think she's very friendly or fun to be around.

I made the hinge for him to see if there are any better options out there for him.

I'm also hoping one of her friends finds the hinge and it causes a fight between them.

I know this is wrong, but my fear of having this girl in my life and family is scarier.

Help.

I don't think it's that bad.

I mean, he needs to man up, really.

You can't.

No, I know.

Like,

grow up.

Yeah, like you can't, like, do everything for him.

If he wants to be in a miserable relationship, like, because he's too chicken shit to break up with her, like, then this is what he deserves.

Like, you, people have to make their bed and lie in it, really.

Yeah, and like, I'm all for helping people, but like if somebody can't even help themselves like okay but i know but you would sooner live with a person who like makes you unhappy because you're like can't break up with them like seriously grow up but you would you would sooner pay their rent instead of having an uncomfortable conversation even though you'd rather live an uncomfortable life than have an uncomfortable conversation grow up like sorry so i don't really care what you do if you if you overstep if you understep like he has to figure this out for himself Yeah, no, I think you would be doing him more of a service by telling him to grow a pair than doing everything for him.

But I understand like for a sibling, you want to do everything.

Yeah, it's funny you could show him like girls on hinge that he could be, but he needs to help himself.

Like you can't live his life for him.

I believe it was the great Gracie Lou Freebush who once said, people care about people that care about themselves.

That's an interesting quote.

Yeah, no, it was.

She says it at the beginning, and it's actually like, it was supposed to be emblematic of how far Gracie had fallen from herself.

Like people,

she was basically saying, like, you need to take care of like your looks and stuff because people care about people who care about themselves.

And it was really,

and then that little girl she told it to repeat it to her at the end of the movie.

And Gracie's like, I don't know about that.

Oh, okay.

So it's like bad advice.

Yeah, no, it was, it was this, that quote is kind of the, the invisible string of the whole, the whole film that really highlights how far Gracie, like she fell into pageant culture and she started caring about the wrong thing.

But I just feel like that makes the movie seem like it's bad.

I'm not, I'm not here for the genesis, the, for the evolution of the quote.

Also, it could be spun in a more positive way.

Like, people care about people who care about self-care.

You know, I want to care about someone who has worked on themselves.

Yeah, no, you could spin the quote for sure.

So, yeah, you're not doing anything like crazy wrong because this relationship obviously is moronic.

However, like, if you really want to help your brother, like, you can lead a fish to water.

You can lead a horse to water.

You can't make him drink.

Right.

Yeah.

No, that wasn't really the quote I was saying.

The quote I was saying, teach him man.

You're right.

You're right.

What's the one with fishing?

If you catch, like, buy a man a fish, he'll eat for a day.

If you teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime.

But that's not, doesn't apply here.

The first one did.

No, I think the second one applies better.

No.

Like, you could do all the work for him, like, get him the girlfriend, do great.

Or you could teach him how to be a normal human being, and the whole rest of his life you won't have to do.

No, I like the fish.

But you can't make him drink.

Claudia.

No, I like the fish one.

She's doing too much for him, and she's not doing the right thing.

Sound off in the comments.

Which limerick applies?

I think my limerick is better.

For real.

I hope people see that.

I'm telling you, trust your instinct.

No, I hope people see that the second one is better.

For real.

The second one is a better limerick in general.

No, I think it is a better life lesson, but the first one applies more heavily to this situation.

I don't understand.

Sound off in the comments.

Have you guys excited?

I'm going to resolve conflict.

Sound off in the comments.

Yeah.

Love you guys so much.

I'm a lonely recent college grad.

Listening to you guys makes me feel like I'm with my friends.

My boyfriend and I have been together for a while.

He's a total PJOM.

But last night, I discovered a red flag.

He doesn't like body hair.

I'm a very hairy girl, and he touched my leg last night and pointed out my leg hair and also the hair in other places I had when we were hooking up the night before.

I'm not one of those girls who doesn't shave.

This was like after four days of not shaving and my hair just grows fast.

The next day I asked him if body hair bothers him and he said yes.

And I said, hypothetically, if I stopped shaving, he said we would need to have a serious talk.

This is so off-putting to me.

It just seems immature that he's turned off by body hair.

Is this a cause for concern or should I just shave more and let it go?

It is immature.

And there are some people who are like weird about body hair and then there are also people who are hairy.

And I just like wouldn't say those two people should be together, but I don't think this is something you need to break up over.

But you don't want to always be feeling self-conscious.

You don't want to always be having to shave your legs.

You don't want to have to get laser because your weird boyfriend doesn't like body hair.

I mean, like leg hair.

Who's even looking at your legs?

Like, for him to notice that, like, he really needs to grow off.

Yeah, but he's like, he's not, he probably won't in any, you know, timely fashion.

And you don't want to always be self-conscious about it.

So

I don't know what to tell you.

If you really like him, like conceptually, like, I just don't feel like you should have shape your hands.

I know, but then

my hair grows fast.

No, but you're not a hairy person.

Like, there are people who are hairy and you're not a hairy person.

No, but my hair grows fast.

Like, if I need to have like hair-free legs, I got to shave everything.

For sure, but like, even when your hair comes in, it's like probably thin.

And even if you ran your

hair, you're not hairy.

You don't know what it's like to be hairy.

I mean, neither do I.

No, that's true.

But I just know that people have got hairy problems.

Yeah.

And there's a difference, of course, between being hairy and being someone who embraces hair, which is not something I'm ever.

No, no.

I mean, if you want this relationship to work and you don't want him always like, you don't want to worry what he's thinking about you, like, sure, get lasered, but I just like, don't like the idea of getting like cosmetic procedures, not at your own accord, not like on your own accord, but because of design, because like someone else is making you feel insecure.

Yeah, but then like, I would want you to sit down with him and be like, listen, fuck off, yada, yada, you're being immature.

But then, and maybe he would shut up about it, but then like you would get in your head, like every time you're with him, being like, oh my god, he's staring at my eyes.

Yeah, no.

No, it's not good.

I just feel like you guys have like different values on this one thing, and it's like weirdly going to keep coming up.

Yeah.

Like he should be with someone else who doesn't like hair, who's already lasered.

Right.

Right.

Maybe someone with alopecia.

Maybe.

Because he's so extreme.

Like, okay.

No, I like this kind of like actually bothers me.

And I'm going to say something crazy.

I think I should break up with him.

Like for real.

Like, can you because it's a, it's about a bigger thing.

No, I agree.

So like, let's try and find other reasons why the breakup is a good idea.

You know what I mean?

Like this is just like one small morsel.

It can't be just this.

If the relationship is perfect otherwise, stay with him.

But I just know that it's not.

No, I know, because this is emblematic of larger issues.

I'm loving the word emblematic today.

You're emblematic.

No, you are.

Okay, you ready for our third and final?

A little bit longer.

Jackson turned, I really need your advice.

I'm a longtime toaster, first-time writer.

I'm getting married in September, and I have some family drama.

My mom and I are incredibly close, and when we lost my dad three years ago, we really leaned on each other.

My mom has now started dating a guy, and that alone has been super painful.

But as much as I selfishly want my mom to stay home, knit, and be alone forever, I do want her to be happy.

I know no other man will be a PJOM like my dad, so I'm kind of happy that she has someone to spend time with.

The issue is my mom's boyfriend of literally three months wants to come to the wedding.

I have not yet met this man.

I do not know this man.

She has brought it up multiple times that she wants to bring him and feels like she will be quote alone at the wedding without him.

I want her to have fun and support her dating, but I draw the line at her bringing him.

It is already an extremely sad situation with my dad not being able to be there and adding this man being there will make me too emotional on the day.

Be honest with me and let me know if I'm a wench for not letting her bring him.

I don't think you're a wench.

You're entitled to your feelings.

There's a lot at play here.

I would.

But I don't think you can see the situation because you're so in it and you're so emotional.

So we're going to give you two outside perspectives.

I think you should let your mom bring him.

Like she wants to have a dancing partner.

I think her being alone all night would make her sad and just make her constantly aware that she lost her husband.

Meanwhile, she has a nice man who she gets along with and he can't be there.

Certainly don't have him in pictures.

He shouldn't be acting like he's, you know, father of the bride.

But like she wants someone to have on her arm.

And I think that that's really fair and it doesn't replace your dad.

And, you know, he's.

No, and weddings are like really made for cost.

Yeah, like

with the dancing and just everything.

And, and it's her daughter's wedding and and she'll never feel more acutely aware of her loneliness than if she's alone at your bed.

Yeah, it's like you are getting married.

Like you are moving forward.

And I think.

And what she should stay

alone because it'll make you feel better.

There are people like it's like, okay, if he brings...

If she brings the boyfriend, like that will make me sad.

If she doesn't bring the boyfriend, like that will make her sad.

And I'm the type of person that's like, I'd rather shoulder that sadness and deal with it.

Like I'd rather you be happy and me like not get my

way.

I don't agree that it like bringing the boyfriend would make the toaster sad

wouldn't the toaster but wouldn't the toaster be sad seeing her mom be sad and alone isn't that

sad i would feel and regardless of how you slice it like there will be a a gap you know on the day like that your dad he's not going to be there no matter what at least let your mom have a little bit of joy like she's expressed that she wants him to be there like i think she should have him there

Yeah, I think absolutely this man needs to come.

I don't think your feelings are totally valid, but you're only really seeing it through your lens of like your experience, your dad, your wedding.

This was also your mom's husband.

Think about the person you're marrying.

Like that was it for your mom.

I think like actually, I'll be honestly, I'm not trying to be mean.

I really will be disappointed in you if you don't let your mom bring the boyfriend.

Yeah, it's just no matter how you slice it, your dad's not going to be there.

I feel like you like

need to accept that.

And so if there's going to be this person that, you know, is going to spin your mom on the dance floor all night, great.

What you'd rather see and make rather see me sitting alone while while you're living your best life and on your happiest day of your life?

So true.

It's so true.

I think you need to have a little bit,

I feel like this happens with grief sometimes.

Like you're so focused on your own grief that you can't see out of it and you don't see how like other people, like, yeah, he was your dad, but he was your mom's husband, you know?

And that's, that's a value.

Her experience is valid too.

And if this is going to make her feel better, like, you have to, I'm sorry, you have to.

You have to.

Please let me know if you let your mom bring the boyfriend.

Yeah.

Oh, and if you've written into Dear Toasters in the last couple of months, weeks, years, whatever, and we've given you advice and you have an update for us, good, bad, ugly, we don't care.

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By the way, you are going to be so busy on your wedding day, you won't even notice whether he's there or not.

The only person who's going to really notice is your mom.

Yeah, it's so true.

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