We ALL Can't Get Over It: Wednesday, April 19th, 2023

Good morning, millennials, and welcome back to the toast.

Happy Wednesday, also known as Hump Day.

So don't forget to gyrate to get a little bit of damn Strice Brethren should be here to celebrate.

They should be here.

Standing with your arm around me here.

What song is that?

You should be here.

I don't know.

It's a weird song.

No, it's like giving like a fake Disney channel energy.

Literally.

What song is that?

I have to look it up.

You should be here.

I have to look it up.

I'm sorry, because this is an itch I need to scratch.

It's like, I don't even know if it's sung by a boy or a girl.

Oh, it's Taylor Swift.

No.

Yeah, it is.

No, no, no.

It's Cole Swindell.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

Not me thinking it was Taylor Swift.

That's like, she's so much better than that.

She would never.

She would never.

You should be.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What a random like.

By the way, speaking of music.

Speaking of music, yes, good music.

Good music.

Yesterday, Jackie and I dropped an amazing Patreon episode.

It is over an hour long.

It's an hour and minute podcast, part podcast, part radio.

So we do this segment.

We did it a while ago and we brought it back yesterday because there's so much new music coming out that we've been really enjoying called Toast Radio, where it's basically like you're listening to a radio show on the radio, but it's actually good.

It's two of your favorite gals laughing, chatting, talking about music, but also just talking about like life celebrities.

And then we're introducing some of our favorite music from the last maybe two months.

So it's 10 songs.

Five of them were chosen by me.

Five of them were chosen by Jackie.

They're cross-genre.

And then we chat in between each song for a couple of minutes about the song, about making it about ourselves, whatever it may be.

So it's about like 40 minutes of chatting, 30 minutes of music, and it's so good.

The feedback has been so good.

People love it.

And it's really great if you commute or if you are taking a long walk and you want to listen to music, but you also want to listen to your favorite girls.

Yeah, when I was getting ready this morning, I had to hit up Toast Radio, and people said, like, while they were cleaning, it's just like such a fun idea concept,

and we had so much fun doing it.

And the songs are Fire Flames, and I hope that we introduce you to something that you haven't heard yet.

Yeah, so it was very exciting.

That's what was going on yesterday with us.

And yeah, it's Wednesday.

I went out to dinner last night.

It was delicious.

What'd you eat?

I had a salmon.

Salmon.

And a little margarita pizza.

Yum.

I love a pizza, like as an appetizer for the table, you know?

Of course.

You know, just like, is that a hot table?

No, no, but I just feel like it's not spoken about nearly enough as it should be.

Yes, because we don't talk about it because it's just so obvious.

like i don't know i feel like it's not obvious i like we didn't order it and then i was like wait should what if we just got a pizza and everyone's like let's get a pizza so you're saying if you weren't there it's not something that like other people would have done i'm basically just trying to say like had i not been invited to the dinner it wouldn't have been the same would have been a pizza list dinner it would have been a pizza list dinner so that's what i did ben is home so i was able to sleep it was great that is great i watched succession last night oh you did i did and um it was as you said what was the thing you were about to say that I was like no

I'm spoiler alert spoiler alert shiv being pregnant right does that change things much a little bit I think like if you know these guys were gonna push her out and now they know she's pregnant like they're gonna push her out even more Oh, right.

Oh, oh, I guess.

Like these business honchos, all men.

Yeah, I guess that's like corporate ting.

And now she like certainly doesn't want to tell anyone because she's already being pushed out.

Got it.

Okay.

And then, of course, Tom.

Tom.

Is the father, I assume.

I assume.

Yeah, I mean, they were trying, right?

They were talking about it.

Yeah.

I don't know.

But we know that Shiv is pregnant in real life, so it's cool that they're doing it.

Yes.

And I hope that she didn't take that tumble.

You know, I hope that was a stunt double because she is pregnant in real life.

And that was a horrible.

Oh, my God.

I literally gasped.

I do love, though, like rant, like shows when they randomly throw in somebody falling.

I know.

I was actually going to text you when she fell.

Did I relate to it?

Is that what you were going to ask?

Just like falling is kind of your thing.

Yeah.

Obviously, succession is inspired by my life.

And I loved to see, you know, women out here falling.

Not pregnant women.

Not pregnant women.

No.

It was only two steps.

Yeah, I think it was more so just like embarrassing.

Humiliating.

Embarrassado for someone who is embarrassado.

Yes.

Finally, a correct use of the term.

An embarrassado woman feeling embarrassado.

Yes.

Wow.

We've kind of come full circle as a brand.

I feel like all of our episodes of the toast have brought us to just that moment.

It was kind of like what we just experienced is a similar feeling to what I experienced when we finally had Sarah and Aaron Foster on to discuss justice for David Foster.

It was like a full circle completion of some sort of art.

Like, that's why we do what we do so we can get to say embarrassado and embarrassado.

In the same sentence, using dual meanings.

Using dual meanings.

That's beautiful.

So other than that, I liked your explanation of the episode better than the episode, so I should just keep going with Turdy's explainers.

But it was cute.

And then I guess like at the end, Kendall is like activated.

Right, right.

With his Grinch smile spreading across his face when he wants to, you know, publicly slander his father.

Yeah.

Posthumously.

Posthumously, without anyone knowing, in a soft way.

I am obsessed with the word posthumously.

Okay.

I think because for a long time I spelled it wrong, because like in my head, it's post humelessly.

Yeah.

So now that I know it correctly, sometimes, and you really can't use it that much because it has to be posthumously.

But when you use it correctly, like it just, I feel like I've won, like I should win some sort of prize, you know?

Yeah.

Posthumously.

Well, don't go using it too much.

Hope not sporadically.

Not sporadically, of course.

The references are just on fire today.

I don't want to jinx it.

I know.

That's like three really good ones.

Posthumously.

Embarrassado.

Embarrassado.

And not sporadically, of course.

No.

What is she saying?

Not sporadically, I hate that.

I'll be seeing you.

I hope not sporadically.

I hope not sporadically.

Yes.

That's my boyfriend, Paul Rudd.

Gymnastics teacher to the stars.

To the stars.

That was you.

I I know that you have a whole new set of makeup

because you have like a set here in New York.

You're looking stunning.

Really?

Yeah.

And there was a lot of comments about like your makeup like giving glam.

Well, yeah, I got some new things, but like of my things that I use, there were a few things that I couldn't get.

Like you gave me this setting powder that I'm loving because

there is a run on Laura Mercier Translate.

This powder it is.

Out of stock everywhere like online.

I was doing like Sephora Instacart and I tried one more place.

Oh, I sent Zach to Sephora.

Oh, Blooming Nails, great.

And it's nowhere.

So Claudia generously gave me like a Givenché.

Prisme Libre.

It's so good, right?

It's so good.

Like, I'm going to buy it.

And actually, it's probably better for you than it is for me because it has pinky undertones.

Yeah.

Oh, I'm so glad you're liking it.

Keep it.

I will, but there's nothing.

There's not that much left.

You can keep it.

Scurdy, it's half full.

Jackie, it's half full.

I'm going to get it.

You should.

I really liked it.

Oh, good.

Yeah, because I like it.

Oh, man, I'm going viral on TikTok.

What are you doing there?

This is the thing.

Like, I spend hours and weeks.

And then, like, I put up some crap and

I probably took 14 seconds to record it and put it up.

Over a million views.

What is it?

Some dumb, like, I have to watch it.

Yes.

I have to support from it.

Someone was like, somebody made a thing, and it was like, guess a celebrity just based on their mouth.

And, like, who better than me could do that?

I got every single one.

And it wasn't even hard, but people are like, this is so impressive.

I'm like, it is?

You should listen to the toast.

Do you know what I do for a living?

Okay.

Jackie's watching my TikTok.

Guess this.

Let's see if you can guess it.

Turn the volume all the way down.

Okay.

I just feel like I will be.

It hasn't started yet, right?

No.

Oh, okay.

You got it.

Did you get it?

No, I didn't know it started.

Turn the volume down so you don't spoil it for yourself.

Oh, wow.

No, I don't know.

You don't know any of them?

No.

Yeah, Leighton Measer, I would have guessed that too, but I wouldn't have to guess.

Yeah, but you didn't.

Yeah, but you didn't.

I would have.

Emily.

Oh, no.

I wouldn't have gotten that.

I wouldn't have gotten that either.

No.

It's so quick, Jimmy Kimmel.

Yeah, yeah.

No, Fallon.

No, that's okay.

But you know what I meant.

Yeah.

Meryl Street.

Yeah, the Meryl Street one was easy.

They showed like her whole face.

Yeah.

It was like not even hard.

Okay.

This is the last one.

This is the last one.

Jenna Braniston.

Oh, yeah.

Sorry.

No, there's one more that was really hard that I almost hit it again.

Okay, let's see if I could get it.

Man.

Sam Hun?

You know what?

I thought it was Sam Hunt, too, at first.

How did you get that?

That's crazy.

I know, by the way, I didn't think it was so crazy, but I guess it's like a skill that I have guessing celebrities just based on their mouths.

And you should that's what all the comments were about.

Go on tour guessing mouths.

You know, they play that game on WhatsApp Happens Live a lot.

Like, whose nose is it?

Yeah.

And I guess I'm like really good at it because I get it there, too.

I thought it was like not a difficult concept.

And that's why it went viral.

People were like so impressed.

I'm like, wait, do I have a talent?

It is impressive.

I am going viral.

Like, dreams made of.

Oh, and I'm going to a Broadway show tonight.

Which show?

I've been wanting to see it for so long have you heard about it it's called and Juliet

me maybe

it is the work of iconic pop producer Max Martin so it's all Max Martin music and like he stems from like current to like Celine Dion like a lot of really impressive music but the concept of the show is um what would have happened if Romeo and Juliet like didn't die so it's like the aftermath of Romeo needs to see that Zach from Love is Blind why Romeo and Juliet didn't work out for a reason did he say that over and over again when like bliss's family didn't like him like the way i was so turned off by him like i actually physically had to tune out what he was saying also i sent you this on instagram last night yeah um i just hacked i just feel like i want to say that i was right you know when we were and people thought our love is blind recap was like so radical they're like not you guys like disagreeing with everything that the internet is saying i was like oh have you watched a show no not only this show the internet is always right so i want to agree with them all the time so what he had said was like irina you came on the show to be famous and i was like that's weird because he then proceeded to plug his own Instagram.

It seems like Zach was the one who came on the show to be famous.

Then somebody, thank you.

I don't follow him, but a bunch of people sent this to me yesterday, like, turdy, you were right.

He got paparazzied in the airport, which maybe he called, maybe he didn't.

TMZ video, paparazzi.

TMZ video, paparazzi.

So maybe he called, maybe he didn't.

I feel like he did.

But what he proceeded to do was then like download the video from TMZ, upload it to his Instagram story in full and tag like TMZ, tag the photographer, tag everyone, the link to the article.

Like that's what a person who wants fame would do.

I would do it because I want fame and I don't shame other people who do.

So just further proof now that I was right.

Irina, honestly, I haven't even seen a thing about Irina.

She hasn't even been thirsty at all.

Her Instagram hasn't even come across my desk.

Not since her apology.

Right, which was truly painful to watch.

Yeah.

So once again, turdy was right, which actually not once again, that never happens.

No, but you've got to savor the moments.

You're two for two today plus the lips.

Two for two today plus the lips.

So yeah, I'm going viral on TikTok.

I was writing about Zach from Love's Blind.

Everything's coming up turdy.

Everything's, you love to see it.

You do.

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You look fabulous.

Oh, thank you.

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So that's toastmerch.com.

We've got a great show.

It's Wednesday, which means we have dear toasters.

We can help someone in need.

I feel like it's been forever since we did dear toasters.

Well, I did it last week with who was on Wednesday, Margo.

The Snatchler.

Yeah.

And

the Snatcheler's episode of The Toast.

It's just so interesting.

You know, you think you know your audience.

The Snatcher's episode of The Toast outperformed all of these big fancy guests.

Is that crazy?

She's just a snatchler.

I didn't even want to tell her that because, like, now she'll be like, oh, I'm too good.

Oh, oh, you want me to come on the toast?

What are you going to do for me?

What are you going to do for me?

Yeah.

So.

I love that for her, though.

Everyone needs a little counseling from the counselor.

So true.

Dear counselor, snitch.

Dear future counselor.

Oh, Megan Traynor had a baby.

Did you see that?

No, I didn't.

Yeah, she posted it on TikTok.

I saw that she said that her husband had been shaving her legs.

And I think it was implied, like, her hoo-ha.

Yeah, of course.

While her bump was too big for her.

Of course.

And she's also writing a book, Dear Future Mama.

Oh, that's cute.

Yeah.

What is it?

In a memoir?

I don't know, but I saw the cover and her kid is on it.

Her kid is really cute.

He has red hair.

Does it look like memoir vibes?

Yeah, because like her and her kid are on it, you know.

Memoirs of a Megan.

Memoirs of a trainer.

Memoirs of a Streisa is better.

I never saw the movie Memoirs of a Geisha, but like the way the title of that film has

continued to inspire so many different facets of my life, I should probably see it, or maybe that would ruin it.

It might.

might, or I think it might be a really serious movie, and then you might feel weird about making light of the title.

I might, but if I don't feel light making light of, you know, a Sophie's choice.

But we do feel weird about it.

We do.

That's why we've changed it to a Deandra's choice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it's just not the same.

No, it's not the same.

What choice did Deandra have after all?

I feel actually like Deandra Simmons, former real housewives of Dallas, really did have a lot of tough decisions.

You know, she had a lot going on, like between her mom, you know, her stepson.

He was kind of troubled.

Like, there are a lot of lots of choices being made.

Yeah, sure.

Should she defend Leanne?

Should she not?

You never know what someone's going through in the choices that they make.

I mean, life's about choices.

Life's about choices.

Don't we always say?

We do.

And you should make them.

Don't let them pass you by.

Some people don't want to make a choice.

No, it's hard.

One of my biggest pet peeves is like people who don't like make choices or just like indecisive.

But I also am one of those people because I understand that mentality completely.

Because Because like it's so much responsibility to make a choice.

Yeah, and it's always the wrong one.

I disagree.

I think there's no wrong choice.

The wrong choice is not making one.

You know what I mean?

I think whichever one you choose, like if you follow that path, it's right for you.

That's beautiful.

And you'll bloom where you're planted.

I know.

I actually used that yesterday in like a conversation.

Who are you talking to?

Just like giving advice.

Not me?

Not you.

Who are you giving?

Who else do I?

You give advice to other people.

That's so disgusting.

Yeah, yeah, you know, when I'm called on.

Who?

I was talking to Zach.

He's constantly needing advice.

He was probably like, who are, like, I don't really talk like that.

Especially not.

In like, you know, you know, woven pillow language.

If I was like, Zach, you just have to live, laugh, love.

Right, right.

Breathe in.

But I said, like, seriously, I'm like, bloom where you are planted.

Yeah.

And he was like, okay, sure.

Whatever that means.

Crazy wife.

Off your rocker again.

It's just good advice.

It's good sound advice.

I should bloom where I'm planted.

I feel like I recently used that phrase.

I think we were doing, maybe even at the University of Miami.

Yeah.

When we were on our panel.

Because it was one of those phrases.

I feel like this happens with people.

Everyone is like drawn to a different phrase.

Sometimes you hear a phrase that like either really accurately reflects like where you're at in your life or you just find yourself using it a lot.

And it's like kind of becomes like your phrase.

It's just like a good use of language.

Yeah.

There are a lot of good, I feel like.

Oh, this was, I think when Remy or Margo was on the show, she called me out because like I was using a lot of phrases.

I said like, those in glass houses, the call is coming from inside the house, couldn't get arrested I was like using a lot of like euphemismistic phrases metaphors metaphors that she was like why are you using so many phrases I was like

okay rude I didn't realize that I was I didn't realize I was under attack no and sometimes like those phrases are the only thing to say yeah instead of saying you know like whatever bloom where you're planted translates to you saying it poorly or saying it in a phrase right like maybe you should just try and like grow like and saying like a thousand in the place that you're in right because like trying the place that you're not is like not the place where you're meant to grow yeah yeah or i could just say bloom where you're planted or i could just say that and do with that what you will so we've got a great show i feel as though it's a great time to dive in what do you think i think so it's always a great time to dive in no that's actually not true no we could always wax poetic yeah

and sometimes we do yeah we do And I think that today we shall continue to.

Yeah.

So without further ado, do it do, here are the fast five stories that you need to know.

oh before we start I have a funny story to tell you that has a lot to do waxing poetic yeah that has a lot to do with what I'm about to talk about so the craziest thing just happened to Ben and I feel like it's a cautionary tale and it's also just a hilarious story so for spritz they have all these different reps in like different markets and they have like credit cards to buy promotional materials for you know going into stores and selling spritz so they have like you know flyers and stuff.

A company card.

Accompany card.

And so when they were doing expensive, expensive, these reps like never have more than like $200 on their monthly accounts because they're really just buying like flyers and cardboard and stuff like that.

And this one rep, it was like this really cool young guy that Ben knows, I think in Texas, his credit card charges were like $1,200.

So Ben called him up and was like, by the way, why was your expenses?

Like, it's fine, but like, can you tell me what you spent all this money on?

He was like, those gift cards that you asked me to get.

And Ben was like, what?

He's like, you literally texted me asking me to get you gift cards.

And Ben's like, what are you talking about?

So the guy sends the screenshots to Ben.

And he's like, as he's sending them, he's like, okay, in hindsight, I realize, like, I think we might have been scammed.

Like, someone was impersonating you.

Me and Ben are cackling, reading these messages.

Somebody impersonated Ben Jackie to a T, signed off on these text messages.

Thank you, Ben Soffer, founder and CEO of Spritz.

Like, literally, they had so much information on Ben.

And they asked this guy to pick up gift cards.

He's like, hey, I'm coming to town for some clients.

Can you pick up gift cards?

So, the guy was like, yeah, sure.

What do you need?

And he runs to like a drugstore and buys all these gift cards, sends pictures, and the guy is being like, I need them now.

I need them now.

Please get them now.

And the guy who works around is like, okay, sure.

He's just doing what his boss is asking and signed off on every message, founder and CEO, Spritz.

Like, if they was crazy how much information this person had when they were impersonating Ben.

That's so scary.

It does make you chuckle.

And that's like a low stakes situation, but it's so scary.

And there are so many crazy stories of impersonation scams.

And so, and Ben is like

tech-savvy young person.

He's not like who you would think is typically susceptible.

And so is this guy.

They're not who you would think is susceptible to impersonation scams.

And that's why Amazon is really passionate about making sure that you are as protected as you possibly can be when shopping.

So with Amazon, it's so important that you verify your purchases on Amazon.

So if you receive a message about the purchase of a product or a service, do not respond to that message or click on the link in the message.

Always log into your Amazon account, use the Amazon mobile app, and confirm that it really is your purchase before taking any action you can trust amazon's app and website they will not ask for payment over the phone or by email only on the mobile app on their website or in one of their physical stores they will never call to ask for payment i once got a call from someone saying it was amazon i'm like amazon does not call at first i was like wait what because i had made like a big purchase on amazon weirdly that was just coincidence so i was like oh they're calling me about my big purchase yeah and then i like took a pause and i was like they wouldn't call me they've never called me before and i'll check my app if there's an issue they know where to reach me so it's so important to be wary of urgency.

And that's really something I saw in Venice.

The guy was like, so panicked.

Come on, hurry.

I need it now.

So if there's like that sense of urgency, that's like a really big red flag for scammers because they often try to create a sense of urgency to persuade you to do what they're asking.

Do not be pressured to buy a gift card.

Gift card is like the biggest red flag.

Amazon will never ask you to purchase a gift card.

No legitimate sale or transaction will require you to pay with gift cards.

You can learn more about common gift card scams on the Amazon help pages.

So if you're ever unsure, just contact Amazon.

You can also see what else has been reported in a similar situation because in the U.S., Amazon has partnered with the Better Business Bureau to provide consumers a searchable scam tracker that enables you to search suspicious communications reported by others via email, URL, phone number, and more.

So I know everyone thinks they're like above it.

Like I'm smart.

I could never, like, I'm not my grandma.

But you know what?

Ben and his coworker, who are both like young guys who work at a startup, they're very tech savvy.

They are the perfect example of people who probably would never be, you know, susceptible to something like this.

And they got scammed and they didn't even realize until a month later.

No, the scammers are adapting.

Yeah.

And so we have to, too.

You have to, too.

Always be on alert when you're shopping with Amazon, which I know a lot of you do almost on a daily basis.

Trust their app.

Trust their website.

Do not trust current phone calls, current emails out of the blue.

Always check the app.

Be wary of urgency.

Be wary of anybody asking you to get a gift card.

And always.

verify your purchases on Amazon.

Thank you, Amazon.

We're glad to partner with you today because this is a very important PSA.

It is.

Thank you so much, Claudia.

You're welcome.

Like, I was like roasting Ben, but you know what?

Like, it kind of freaked me out.

Like, if it can happen to Ben.

Yeah.

It can happen to me.

Yeah.

Ben has gotten scammed like a couple times.

Both of you are pretty gullible, though.

No, I don't think so.

That you're not skeptical?

No, I'm not.

I don't know.

I could see you like being like, oh my god, I got this tech.

Oh, my God.

They want me to go to like Red Corporate, go to the Oscars.

That's how you can actually scam me.

If anybody was looking to.

Literally.

If anybody was looking to scam me, just invite me to the Oscars oh my god don't please don't do it are you ready for our first story I am I'd say the stories today are in no particular order you know just sort of importance the chip let the chips fall where they may sort of thing let the chips fall where they may yeah

First, viewers are panning Kelly Rippa and Marcon Suelos' brutal first live show together.

The eagerly anticipated first episode of Live with Kelly and Mark, starring married couple Kelly Rippa and Marcon Suelos, has garnered mixed reviews.

Many viewers accuse the married couple of fake banter and being boring during the hour-long show.

Rippa was even accused of repeatedly interrupting him when Mark shared that.

When Mark shared that the two had enjoyed a romantic stroll through the park recently,

she had interrupted him on that story, I guess.

And

there was some kissing.

Oh, that's unnecessary.

So I haven't seen it, mostly because I don't care.

But I do want to say, as somebody who can speak from experience, like working with your partner, I think a lot of people would think is like seamless chemistry.

It's probably more difficult than working with like a coworker.

So I'm going to give Kelly like a little breathing room to, you know, find their footing.

It took me and Ben years, actually.

Years.

Yeah.

Even aside from it being her husband, like a new co-host, it takes a second to find your step.

Like Turti and I, we do a little dance.

It's like a little salsa.

tango.

And it takes a while.

It takes, it takes time.

And being interrupted is part of our dance.

Like, it's one of the steps.

Right.

It's gorgeous.

Amazing.

And maybe they'll work that into theirs as well.

But it takes time.

I don't think if you're, if you've been a lover of Kelly and live with Kelly, that like you should never watch again.

That's what people are saying.

This is the last time I'm watching.

And it's like, give them a beat, even regardless of being husband and wife, but that does add another layer.

And it's like, if she was interrupting her co-host, you'd just be like, oh, Kelly's interrupting.

But then it becomes a critique on their marriage.

Yes, I know.

And it's just a lot.

And I'm going to stand with my girl Kelly and just be like, give her a second.

No, I agree.

Like, our whole perception of Kelly has like really kind of, at least for me, like, shifted.

Yeah.

Because now I feel like this extreme kinship with her as somebody who like used to get absolutely annihilated when they podcasted with their husband.

And you're right, it turns into like a critique on your job, which is always tough, to a critique on your marriage, which is so deeply personal, fuck all the way off.

So I stand with Kelly as well.

She has my full support.

She will get through this.

They will get to a place to transition from like home life to work life, like publicly, it's it takes it takes a minute, and you know, people are very unforgiving, so I'm gonna give her a break, I'm gonna give her a few weeks to figure it out.

Yeah, to me, this doesn't mean like the show is bad or he was the wrong choice, they just need time, and also it's not only like Mark has to adjust to being a daytime talk show host, and I'm sure the times that he went on before it was like fun and all about him.

I feel like that's exactly what happens with our husbands.

Like, there's a difference between having them on as a guest and it's like we're just asking you questions about you, versus like, okay, now you are co-captaining this show.

You're here to work, you're here to work.

So, I'm sure he's figuring that out.

But also, like, Kelly has to kind of re-jigger herself around whoever her new co-host is.

Yeah, no, for sure.

I also just think like these things take time.

Chemistry is a very, you know, Kelly Clarkson said it best.

Chemistry is very.

She actually like didn't say it great.

Yeah, no, I don't even know what she was.

Like it could be good and bad.

She said chemistry could be really good or really bad.

It was.

Yeah.

I just felt like there was a tighter way to say it from such a lyricist.

I know.

So I wasn't sure like what I was trying to say.

I'm just like,

they'll figure it out.

Chemistry, man.

I'm not worried about them.

No, I'm not worried either.

And I'm giving Kelly Grace.

I'm giving Kelly Grace.

And then I was looking for stories this morning.

And my God, page six was riching.

They said Andy Cohen seems to show support for Kelly Rippa.

And, you know, because she's been dragged for her first episode with Mark.

And I was like, oh, I wonder what he said.

That's nice of him.

And I go and it's like, he posted an Instagram story of a Snoopy cartoon.

And it was like, you'll be okay.

That literally could have been about quite literally anything.

That's crazy.

Why would they assume that that was about Kelly?

There wasn't a shadow tag or a smole tag.

No.

Isn't that weird?

That is weird.

Like, I get reaching for stories because, like, we know today was like not like a crazy big news day, but my God, like, have some integrity.

That was crazy.

Yeah.

Damn.

Are you ready for our next story?

Another host who's getting some backlash.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

Fans are petitioning to remove Nick and Vanessa Lachey as the Love is Blind hosts.

Fans are calling for the couple's removal from the Buzzy Netflix dating show over claims the pair were biased towards some of the cast at the season four reunion.

Some person wrote, This reunion just feels so awkward, doesn't seem like there's any flow.

Hosts are way too biased, it's just weird.

Another one said, Another unpopular opinion, but Nick and Vanessa are bad hosts who are clearly biased.

So, this is just like a roundup of mean tweets, plus a petition that has garnered more than 6,000 signatures, which isn't a lot.

No, it's not.

Saying that they should be removed.

But see, the thing is, is like, I thought they did a bad job too, but it's almost unfair because it was live.

Like, I have actually thought, I remember last season thinking that Vanessa really did a very good job.

Nick was mute, and I didn't even understand why he was sitting there, but I thought Vanessa was really good.

And it's clear that she's just like a host who needs to be edited.

Oh, I didn't think it was the live aspect.

I feel like she's doing the job that they've asked her to do by injecting so much of herself into it.

Like, I don't think she's going off script so much.

I feel like Netflix or the producers of Love is Buying like like how invested Nick and Vanessa are and they've chosen to like have hosts who aren't just like this third-party objective person and more people who are like ingrained in the show, who are super fans of the show and also like can give marriage advice along the way.

I did agree that she was biased.

Yeah.

But I feel like if they wanted her to be unbiased, they would have said so.

Yeah.

I feel like she was given license and encourage to really like to take to almost like represent the internet

in her job.

That's what she did.

that's exactly what it is so who do people feel like she was rude to uh paul paul she sent him flowers she did yeah he posted it on his instagram story and paul was also tmz'd at the airport um

do you think she sent him flowers because she like felt bad about this i mean i don't see anybody else getting flowers That's kind of crazy.

Maybe she felt bad.

I did feel like she went

particularly hard on him when they were talking about that whole like nurturing thing.

Yeah.

And it was like, it was exactly what you had said.

Like people are allowed to feel a certain way about a partner and break up with them and not say it just to not hurt their feelings.

Like, you have to say everything you feel.

You don't.

So, and they just like would not let it go.

Nick, too.

Yeah.

So, I mean, I don't know if she deserves to be fired.

I don't think she should be fired, but I think that if like the producers agree that she went too hard, then she can pull it back next season.

But I feel like she did what she was asked to do.

She was, she did the job she was hired to do.

Yeah, and I feel like they wanted to have hosts who would be as passionate as the viewers feel and really feel like they're representing the viewers.

It didn't work out and the viewers are like, even though I think the viewers agreed with some of these biases.

It was so painful to watch her like badger people.

Yeah, even I thought what was more painful was like the conversation about babies.

Yes, by the way, she's gotten a lot of flack for that.

And I understand like, you know, just asking the general question, like babies, you know, you just got married.

It's not like

crazy and it's not so offensive, but she just like would and stuff.

Like she literally wants a date.

No, it was like she was trying to reach like a word limit on an essay.

Like she just kept, or like they needed to hit a certain amount of time on the, like she wouldn't let it go.

No, and like as a viewer, I'm like, these people just got married.

Let's talk to season one couples about having a baby at least.

Like if we're gonna, if we need Love is Blind babies right now.

Speaking of season one couples, a lot of people, and I actually don't disagree with this, say that, you know, they hate Nick and Vanessa.

They want to replace them with Lauren and Cameron Hamilton, which

honestly is probably a good idea.

I just don't think that Nick and Vanessa deserve to be fired.

I don't think they deserve to be fired.

I love Lauren and Cam.

I have not seen anything that would show me that they're good hosts.

I feel like we always have this conversation where just like everyone thinks that, oh, I like this person.

They should be a host.

And

it's his job for a reason.

I think.

What is Vanessa LaShea's resume?

She was like a TRL.

Yeah, she was a host.

Yeah.

And is a host.

And I think just she'll edit herself a little more next season if that's what the producers want from her.

But I do feel like at the end of the day, even though the reunion wasn't tea-filled, the season wasn't like amazing.

There's only so many questions to ask i don't feel like there was any question that she didn't ask that i wanted answered same same thing and there were so many questions that she did ask that i was like yes you're right yes yes and she like even when she was grilling marshall she remembered every single important thing that jackie said in the interview yeah and got action we got information from him all in all it was just like a very weird reunion and i think a lot of people are like blaming everything on nick and vanessa and like yeah they definitely could have done better um but the live element made it so weird there were so many audio issues we didn't even talk about that when someone's mic was on in the control room who was that I don't know.

It was so fucking weird.

And then like threw everyone off.

I forget who was talking at the time.

I think it was Paul Marshall.

Whatever.

Yeah.

But then there was like a few other times when someone else's mic was like popping.

There was quite literally no reason for this reunion to be live.

None.

And I think a lot of the issues people had with Nick and Vanessa would have been

eliminated had it just been edited.

Because nobody really has ever had a problem with them prior.

And the reunion itself was just like fucocked for a multitude of reasons, including Nick and Vanessa being weird.

But to blame it all on on them is just like it ain't right yeah it should not have been live but i do think that even her her passion would have come through in an edited yes version but i think that's why people have liked her up until this point like she's very invested in the internet yeah she's invested like she actually cares i don't know if it's fake or whatever but like it's nice it's nice and we complain all the time like doesn't seem like andy cares and here we have two people who are like she was referencing all these things from the internet that i never even heard.

I'm like, oh, wow, I really feel like up to speed.

Andy actually went on radio, Andy and like spoke about this.

Just the element about it being a live reunion and how they should have learned from Real House Eyes of Miami.

Like live reunions are the most unnecessary thing.

Beyond unnecessary, it's not like Netflix is known for their live programming.

So what, this is like the second thing they've tried to do?

Why this?

I don't know.

It must be enormously popular, like beyond what we had even expected.

Yeah.

Can Andy say why Real House Eyes of Miami was such a flop like on his from his POV?

Because it was live.

It was psychotic.

Like what element of it?

No, he just said it was chaos and they've never done it again.

Yeah.

And it was bad.

Yeah.

Even though it was bad in the moment, but now we look back on it like as a historic, iconic moment.

But yes, I guess when we watched it at first, we were like, this is crazy.

I wish we got a regular reunion.

Yeah.

But now in like the Bravo Hall of Fame for a show that like, you know, went on hiatus and it's just, it's kind of like a, it's a badge of honor to have been a part of it.

I actually think this, Love is Buying should not have been live and the technical piece was the worst part and like the fact that everyone was waiting.

But as far as the content that came out of it, aside from the long-winded answers from some people that needed chopping down, I actually felt like the content was fine.

Like they moved along.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They asked every question.

Everyone got to speak.

Oh, I also did read because you and I watched the live stream.

We were able to, but most people were not.

Okay.

And most people got it up on their Netflix the next day.

And I had heard that pieces of it were cut.

Like it wasn't exactly what you and I saw.

I mean, they should have cut out, I'm sure they did, you know, when that mic went rogue in the control room.

So any technical stuff, but I don't know what else.

Well, that makes sense kind of like how Chris Rock, he like flubbed a joke.

He flubbed a joke and they edited it for when it stayed.

Yeah, they fixed it right.

Oh, okay, good.

Yeah.

I think about that a lot, how fucking annoyed he must have been at that moment.

I know.

If you didn't watch his special, it was good.

You should go watch it.

I mean, he has this like big joke at the end about the Will Smith thing.

He doesn't talk about the Will Smith thing until the end, and everyone's just kind of like waiting, waiting, waiting.

And then he fucking pops off.

It's like 20 minutes of it.

He's mad.

But he has one like really technical joke.

it's like a three-minute joke so he plants something in the beginning of the joke and then by the end he brings back something like a callback to something you spoke about three minutes ago it was supposed to be very brilliant um and he totally fucked it up and he he was like so visibly mad at himself and then he did it again he was like let me do that again and did it again so i think when you watch the edited version it just cuts to as it should yeah and i'm sure they said that to him like if you mess up just do it again and we'll edit it doing a live comedy special i mean i don't know i guess it's like not that different than just doing like a live comedy show yeah but like it is crazy but a live comedy comedy show people can't watch over and over again.

Like at that moment in time.

It's crazy.

It was really cool.

Again, like unnecessary.

Yeah.

I don't know why Netflix is getting into the live game.

I don't know.

It's like all these streamers are now becoming just like cable.

Dropping three episodes at a time.

No, and then they all like merge and they're just channels.

Everyone is doing this, dropping like new seasons, a couple episodes.

Miss Maisel only.

And also now they need to make money.

Are we going to have to start watching commercials?

Like it's literally becoming television.

No, you're so right.

I was actually thinking like during the Love is Blind thing if they were gonna have like a sponsor or something like this Love is Blind is brought to you by or just product placement like everybody drinking Dasani or something.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

We're like moving backwards.

I know and it's like Netflix is giving us less and less these days not dropping binge seasons doing Fakakta live and their subscription price keeps going up and they're you know stopping all these things you can't share passwords more than one person on a household becoming cable it's becoming cable

yeah the cableification of Netflix.

Of streamers.

Of streamers.

Yeah, because I mean, Peacock, I literally watch with commercials.

Peacock is cable, but at least it's because it's cable.

It's NBCs.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, but like I pay for less commercials.

Did you also hear that HBO Max is rebranding to Max?

To Maximilian.

Which wouldn't be a bad name, but HBO is like a legacy brand.

Home box office.

And I'm like good with HBO Max.

I didn't feel the need to edit.

I feel like they don't need a rebrand.

They're in a really good place right now.

They're still straddling the line of cable.

Like they do episodes once a week, but it doesn't bother people because they're HBO.

Yeah.

It's like there's a precedent.

I don't know why they're trying to fix something that ain't motherfucking broke.

Not at all.

I don't get it.

Not at all.

And it's going to be confusing.

Are we watching Max tonight?

I don't know.

Am I babysitting?

Literally, it's going to be confusing.

And it used to be confusing because remember they had HBO Go, HBO, HBO Max.

They had like four different things.

HBO Go.

And then they got their shit together and it's like HBO Max.

Okay, we are HBO Max, HBO Max.

You know, you're going to switch it up.

You're finally doing well.

Like, you're an actual competitor.

A lot of people thought you wouldn't be.

Like, stop.

Yeah.

Everybody's just doing the most, but like the least.

But I hope that if they do rebrand, like, again, in a few years, as you know, companies do, that they would brand to Maximilian.

I think it's a little long.

No, but it's like a really powerful name for a streamer.

Maximilian.

What does Hulu stand for?

Hulu.

Like, HBO is homebox office.

Netflix is internet flicks, movies.

Yeah, flicks from the net.

Right.

What the hell is Hulu?

I'm looking it up.

Hulu meaning.

Oh, I'm not typing anything.

And what are the other streamers?

A prime?

I guess that just, like, doesn't mean anything.

It's just...

The name Hulu comes from two Mandarin Chinese characters.

Hulu,

which is calabash, bottle gourd, and Hulu, interactive recording.

Oh.

It comes from a Chinese proverb.

Hulu is Mandarin for gourd.

G-O-U-R-D.

Okay.

And gourd in ancient times was hollowed out and used to hold precious things.

Oh, you know, they just had like a branding agency coming up with a bunch of names and they said, we want to be a verb like Google.

And then they came up with Hulu.

And it's because we hold precious things.

Or interactive recording.

Or interactive recording.

I mean, it works.

It works.

It works.

And it's a good amount of letters, H-U-L-U.

But it's a stretch.

Major layout.

Gourd holds many things.

What other streaming?

Oh, Disney Plus.

Paramount Plus.

Now that's like the trend.

Everyone doing plus plus.

Discovery Plus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sure eventually those will rebrand.

Yeah.

There's so many now.

I know.

I feel like we're forgetting one really big one.

I know.

Netflix,

Hulu, HBO Max.

Prime.

I said Prime.

Oh.

And it's just like that's an extension of an already billion-dollar brand.

Like, it doesn't.

Yeah, but it's called Prime Video.

They got to drop the video.

I actually like the logo, like the square on your Apple TV, it just says Prime.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's good.

I could see them changing that.

Yeah.

Okay, well, wishing

Nick and Vanessa like a good day.

I stand with Nick and Vanessa.

I know.

I'm not into all this backlash.

Also, people really underestimate how difficult it is to host something like that.

And I thought they did fine.

And

I think that they did the job they were hired to do.

And next year, there will be edits based on the 6,000 people.

Right.

The 6,000 people.

It was really fine.

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You know, that's a great segue into our next story on naturale deodorant.

Naturale.

All the way to all naturale armpits.

Because Rachel McAdams.

Okay, I saw this photo of her and I was like, oh, she has hairy armpits.

And then it looked like maybe her hair on her head was just like, because she had like a wind in her hair was blowing like the back of her ponytail into her armpit.

I was like, oh, she doesn't have hair, but she does.

She does.

And that's just like a small part of the story because she sat down for an interview with Bustle.

She has a new movie coming out.

She plays a mom in Judy Bloom's Are You There, God, It's Me, Margaret.

Yes.

And she's talking about her career, about taking breaks from acting.

She took a two-year break recently, saying I needed to stay sane.

She talks about some of the roles that she's turned down along the way because, like, she just was on a break.

Was on a break, but also, no, like, even after Mean Girls, like, she turned down Devil Wear's Prada, Casino Royale, Iron Man.

Um,

and she also is posing with her armpit hair.

So

she talked about like the that she didn't want the publication.

It was with bustle.

She didn't want them to like retouch the photos a lot, but like she didn't like really talk about the decision.

She just had her armpits there with like no explanation.

Yeah, she said, this is my body.

And that's totally fine.

Without like a million things, you know, post, but having kids, like, this is me.

Yeah.

Okay, so let's quickly talk about the fact that she could have been Andy in Devil Wear's product because I really could see it would have been Andy.

Yeah, who else?

I don't know.

Emily Blunt.

No, she was so.

No, and I saw the article that said it was the ant halfway.

She thought she would have been a great Andy.

She would have brought that morning glory energy.

Nerdy, like chaotic.

So a lot of

celebrities will be like, well, years later, say, oh, I was actually initially offered this role.

And I can't really see them in that role.

But this is one of the few times where I actually really could have seen her in this film.

Yeah.

She said she was also, she also turned down Iron Man, what else?

Iron Man, Get Smart, Mission Impossible 3, and Casino Royale.

That's a Bond movie.

I guess like the big ones are like Devil Wear's Pride and Casino Royale.

Like that sucks.

And Iron Man.

But I have a lot of respect for her taking these breaks and like no matter what opportunity came across, like sticking with the fact that she's on a break.

I think that's like so healthy and it kind of makes sense because she's so normal to me.

Yeah.

And like the movies that she has chosen to do since then, like the notebook, like she's still

chosen winners.

Yeah.

I mean, I wouldn't say that Eurovision 1 was a winner, but it's okay.

Morning Glory.

Yeah.

No, she's she's a star and she can afford to pass up on things like this because, A, it doesn't seem like she really cares about being in every film and having the most money and the most accolades.

Like, she just wants to live to work, not work to live.

You can't dance at every wedding.

Sorry.

Work to live, not live to work.

You can't dance at every wedding.

Right.

And she seems really balanced, and I love that for her.

So I don't think it bothers her that she missed out on her.

No, she seems like a star with a good head on her shoulders.

She takes being a mom really seriously.

and her career really seriously.

She's a very serious actress and a very talented actress.

And the movie looks really cute.

By the way, it's so cute.

I only recently heard that they were making Are You There, God, It's Me, Margaret, into a movie.

I don't really remember what that book was about.

I know it was about like a young girl going through changes.

Yeah, like puberty.

Cute.

Cute.

Cute.

I'm sure the film will be cute.

Judy Bloom is a PJOM.

But let's talk about the armpits.

Yeah, let's talk about them because they're just there.

I think they're, you know, this is me.

These are my armpits.

You know, she could have shaved for the shooting.

She didn't.

No, and you know what?

She put her arms to her side, but she didn't.

So I am like vehemently against having hairy armpits.

Personally, I don't care what other people do with their bodies.

But like for me, I just know like I will never be the girl who has hairy armpits and shows them off.

Yeah, of course, sometimes I grow out, but it's private.

Right, right, right.

And I got them lasered.

Like, there's literally only so much they can grow out.

That's a statement that you're making.

But I...

don't care what other people do with their bodies and i just hate when people like do things and it's like women should do that like shut up women should do do whatever they want.

So, if her, she's out here with her armpits and, like, not even like saying anything about it.

Like, I love that.

Yeah.

I just hate when people like do things and then are like, oh, women should do this.

Like, shut up.

Or, like, shaving armpits is bad.

It's for the patriarchy.

You know what?

It's not.

Like, I just want to shave my armpits.

Okay.

Like, is that okay?

Right.

Like, I just hate when they, when, when people do things in articles like this and have to make like a big statement on it.

She didn't even mention it.

I love that.

Yeah.

So, Rachel McAdam, she's back in the game.

So, oh, she's promoting Judy Bloom.

Okay, that's like a cute role for her.

Yeah.

What was the last thing she was in?

Spotlight.

No, I think that Eurovision movie came out afterwards.

Sorry, there was something in 2020.

It was.

So she just came off a break.

Is that what she was saying?

Yeah.

Got it.

That makes sense because I feel like sometimes she's like popping and then sometimes I like forget about her.

Yeah.

And she credits Mean Girls as like her breakout role.

She wasn't in anything before that.

Not

of that caliber.

It is so crazy the trajectory of the Mean Girls when you look at someone like Rachel McAdams and then you look at someone like Lacey Shaber.

Like how were they both like they really had the same launching pad?

Yeah, but look at Amanda Seafried.

Right, exactly.

It's just like Rachel McAdams.

It's just about.

What's it about?

Like who your team is?

Team.

Desire.

Desire, perhaps.

Just crazy.

What, you know, life.

Look at Lucy.

Right.

Who do you think is the most successful post-Mean Girls of the four?

Amanda Seafried.

Rachel McAdams.

I think Amanda Seafried.

It depends on what you like.

It also depends on the year.

But like, I like Rachel McAdams movies better than Amanda Seafrieds.

Like, I didn't watch The Dropout.

I don't watch Mamma Mia.

Me neither, but

in terms of success, I'm not saying who would we like most.

I'm saying who's most successful.

Like for every one movie of ones,

there's like an equal of the other.

Do you know what I mean?

No, because

Amanda Seafried has a franchise, Mamma Mia.

Does Rachel McAdams have a franchise?

She's in something, I think, big.

Transformers.

I don't think she's in any Marvel.

She's in Transformers?

No, I'm saying I don't think she is.

I think she's in one thing like that.

Like a Marvel-y DC comics vibe?

Yeah, like a money-making machine.

Okay, let's see.

We're on her IMDb.

Doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness.

Oh, okay.

That's definitely something.

That's like something.

Yeah.

Eurovision, Game Night.

Doctor Strange again.

Spotlight, True Detective.

Oh.

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Who do you think is more of a success?

Let's pit women against each other, Rachel McAdams or Amanda Safery?

Sherlock Holmes

to Sherlock Holmes is

The Hot Chick.

Oh my God, The Roadback.

That was After Meeting Girls, yeah.

Yeah.

Iconic.

So good.

That movie was really good.

Just here to remind you, Rob Schneider's daughter is Elle King.

Yeah.

Wedding Crashers.

Oh, yeah.

Like, there's really good.

And those are movies that I love.

And I think Amanda Safery has, like, you know, letters to Juliet or whatever,

but I didn't see it.

Right.

So that's why I say personal preference.

Like, I think they're net worth.

She's got letters to Juliet.

And she also has Dear John, right?

She has two movies about letters.

She writes a lot of letters.

She's constantly.

Morgan letters.

Let's see.

Don't touch the Morgan Ladders.

Amanda Seifreed, I-M-D-B.

Oh, she was in Les Miz.

Yeah, she's very Oscar-y.

Yeah.

Rachel's not, she's more commercial.

Yeah, that's true.

It's very Kelsey and Juliet, commercial versus editorial.

Yeah.

That's another reference, like, I don't think I'll ever stop bringing up.

Like, when they were talking on Siesta Key about being a commercial model versus an editorial model, but it was Kelsey versus herself.

Juliet wasn't involved.

Like, Amanda Sief Reed has so many movies, and I have never heard of them.

Right.

So, I guess maybe like Rachel McAdams is more your niche.

But I'm just curious who people think is more of a movie.

Ted two, of course.

But to me, that's like a travesty.

Yeah, because it should have been Mila Coness.

Yeah.

Dear John.

Okay.

There's way more movies for Mantasy, we just want to say.

More volume.

Because she didn't take those years off.

Comes full circle.

Are you ready for our next story?

I don't think you're ready for this jelly.

I don't think you're ready for this jelly.

I think we're all ready for this next story because Victoria Justice is addressing a long time rumor that she's jealous of Ariana Grande.

So she is saying.

I'm in pain.

I'm in pain too.

You watched the video.

It was like core news.

Shout out Erin Lim for asking the questions that needed to be asked.

Interview at Coachella, right?

Yeah, they interviewed her at Coachella.

They posted the Instagram on Monday.

And she said that despite not wanting to talk about this topic anymore, she did.

She said, we were both like, this is so stupid, she said, of hearing the rivalry rumors for the first time more than 10 years ago.

Justice Now said Ariana texted her at the time and they both blasted the narrative that was creative of them, created of them not being friends with each other.

Yeah, she basically said this is like an internet thing.

Me and Ariana are fine.

I've spoken to Ariana multiple times.

Like, I wish people would let this go And I can't let this go.

I can't let this go.

And I think we all shouldn't let it go.

And I'm sure that

it's fine.

I'm sure that, like, I don't think, I think Victoria was looking at her Instagram after this.

I think she's like very happy in her life and her career.

And,

you know, isn't like with her voodoo doll of Ariana and doesn't really like think about Ariana, you know, because they both come.

It's been 10 years.

Yeah.

But I do think at the time that we all realized that there was something going on.

No, I think there's an element of truth to this in the sense that back in the day when they were literally tweens and like they were all popping off and it was definitely competitive and those child show environments were like toxic, there was an element of jealousy.

I think that's like human nature.

Because, you know, it was Victoria's show, but I think like everyone like in the cast like loved Ari so much and Ari had this amazing voice and it was a show about singers and like for some reason Victoria Justice was the main character, but like Ariana was this powerhouse vocalist.

Like there was definitely something there.

And I'm sure they all moved on.

I'm sure they're fine now.

But I don't know.

There's just weird, you know, Ariana's like really good friends with Liz Gillies and Matt Bennett from the show.

And they like come to all of, they've come to see Ariana on tour and they've done like projects together.

And, you know, Victoria and Ariana haven't done any projects together.

So I'm just saying.

Yeah, like, I don't think it's out of nowhere.

I think maybe it wasn't as big as people made it.

People made it.

Probably wasn't like the only thing happening on set.

And maybe it was just like a small undercurrent.

Yeah.

And I think just the way we've all sort of hung on to it.

It's because like we're immature and petulant children.

It's because of the video.

If we all hadn't seen that, I don't think that we all would still be talking about this.

That video interview of them as kids goes viral every six months and it reaches an entirely new audience, which is why people don't let this go because people are like every day somebody new learns about that video.

And I feel bad for Victoria that it just kind of her whole life is whittled down to this one interview.

I think she could have responded and been like, I think we all know that's not true.

Yeah, no, once again, it's like, once you lean in, it'll pass you by.

I think she thought she was leaning in by responding to it and like, you know, finally addressing it.

No, but she said in the interview, she's like, I like, don't want to talk about this.

Like, she made it seem like there was more there.

Like, maybe I'm looking into it too much.

No, and I, I, I want to, like, believe her, you know, because people deserve to be believed.

100%.

But I think we all know about the truth.

We all know the truth.

It's like, I actually feel bad for her, but like, not enough to stop.

Agreed.

It's like, if I,

if I like put this to bed, could I still say we all?

No, because that's you not putting it to bed.

Right.

So I can't.

So I don't think we all can put it to bed.

We all stay awake.

Yep.

But I do feel bad.

Not enough to stop.

Not enough to stop because it's like so much.

It's just a part of who we are now.

It's our DNA to say, I think we all should.

Like,

I think we're all.

But it's also to me.

But I don't even remember what the original line is.

She said, I think we all sing.

Yeah.

Because there was like an interview question.

Who's the most musical?

Liz Gillies was gushing about Ari singing.

How she just like will burst into song in the middle of a conversation.

It wasn't even a question.

And then they were like to Daniella Monet.

But Daniella also does that.

And then Ari and Liz were like, Yeah, Daniella.

And then out of nowhere, Victoria, I think we all sing.

It's the best moment of my life.

Like, Like, I will never stop talking about it.

Sorry.

And to me, it just, it seems so silly.

It's harmless.

And harmless, but I do feel like it's not to her.

Yeah.

But it's also, and this is going to be like, I guess, mean.

Maybe we're all still talking about it when it comes to Victoria Justice because what else is there to talk about?

Like, she needs to get out there, do more projects.

For a while, she, was she in that, or that was that Nina Dobrev?

I get them so confused, that holiday movie?

Mina Dobrev.

Okay.

She's a really influencer, Victoria Justice.

Well, she needs some more things because we're just talking about this because she's given us nothing else to talk about.

Like, she needs like a scandal or something.

I don't know.

Yeah.

No.

I just think

we all sing.

I think the same.

I would agree.

Anyways, it was glad to see her looking well.

Yeah, she looked cute, like, in her element as an influencer at Coachella.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Yeah.

Real Houses of Beverly Hills alum, Teddy

Mellencamp, claims that she had a one-night stand with Matt Damon.

I totally believe this, by the way.

Yep.

So Tamara is outing some of BFF Teddy Mellencamp's Sex Life Secrets.

The Two Peas in a Pod co-host appeared on Jeff Lewis Live on Tuesday, where Tamara forced Teddy to open up about her one-night stand with Matt Damon 20 years ago.

Tamara said, she mentioned it on a podcast and then went back and told producers, take that guy's name out.

And so now I tell people, if you guys want to know, just DM and I'll tell you who it is.

Oh, that's funny.

She tells people on the DMs, I'm like, stop telling people, Teddy said.

I did not want to out this guy.

Who knows?

I mean, 20 years ago, Matt Damon was so unbelievably hot.

Like, I'm so happy for Teddy.

I definitely believe.

I feel like a lot of times real housewives, like, say that they, like, remember, Carol Radzwell said, did she slept with George Clooney?

She did.

Or she went on a date with him.

Something like that.

Every now and then, like a celebrity, like certain housewives who really are believe, like, I believe Teddy Mellencamp was running in circles as like a young Nepo baby with Matt Damon 20 years ago kyle radswell was like very much in the upper echelon i could see how she would run into george clooney um and i find this fascinating and i love that she's sharing yeah it's really funny teddy and tamara are such unlikely best friends best friends they have a really successful podcast i know you know teddy mellencamp's post-housewives life could have been really sad um but it's not i feel like kyle really keeps her in the fold like so she still very much like films a little bit and i do i have heard rumors that she's filming this season um i I feel like she totally should because she's there anyway like sometimes you have to work so hard to invite someone to events but like with with someone who's always around um

and has something to say like I feel like that's fine yeah she really should bring her dad around more like as much as um Doreen brings around boy George like we should be seeing John Cougar Mellencamp because John Cougar Mellencamp is like I mean boy George is like obviously like major but like John Cougar Mellencamp is like especially for the people who watch Housewives, which is like mostly older women.

Yeah.

They're like, it's like he's like their king.

Yeah.

So I feel like she was booted off a little too soon.

I know people really didn't like her at the time, but I feel like she's had a really good post-housewives career.

Her podcast is extremely successful.

It's actually really impressive.

Like her and Tamara work really hard at it.

They spill a lot of tea, anything even remotely housewives related that's like a tiny bit of tea they say for their podcast.

It's really impressive.

Yeah.

I'm happy for her.

And like, honestly, she should come back.

She should come back, but also remember back in the day we used to say she would have been better suited for OC.

Yes.

That's what people used to say because she did have a house in the OC too.

But I do think she wound up BFF with Tamara.

I know, but I think like their relationship only works because they're on different franchises.

Like I don't think it would be as, you know, copacetic had they been on the same show.

And I guess that's probably part of the success of their podcast is that they're on different franchises.

Because I think a lot of housewives have podcasts with co-hosts.

From their franchise.

But I think that they are one of the biggest housewife podcasts and they're not even active housewives.

No.

Well, Tamara currently is.

She's on OC now.

She's, it's airing.

No, but it's film.

Okay.

So, yes.

I, but when they started, they were both kind of like defunct.

Yeah.

And this podcast has really turned it around for them.

It's like, it's an amazing, it's amazing what a podcast could do.

It's amazing what a podcast can do.

And the cream rises.

Don't forget that.

Don't forget that.

And don't forget that Teddy Mellen Camp had a one-night sandwich.

Yeah.

I'm like, I love that for her.

Yeah.

Matt Damon was in air.

You haven't seen it.

No.

You really should.

And he was excellent in it.

Look at my.

But like 20 years ago, Jackie, that's like Goodwill Hunting.

Like that was when he was like, maybe that was Goodwill Hunting was like a little bit older than that but that was like when he was really really hot yeah he's still handsome but you know his prime it's just a fun fact i love that for her i bet she has like other crazy stories about like being john mellancamp's daughter like that's iconic yeah

She never really spoke about it.

I think she was like very afraid of being like known just for that and everyone would be like, all right, we get it.

Like stop talking about your dad.

So she ran away from it to the point where I literally forget that she has a famous father.

Yeah.

Until she posts about him on Instagram.

I'm like, oh yeah, that's like a fun fact about her.

But I do wish she would talk about it more.

I bet she has like some wild stories.

Maybe she talks about it on her podcast.

Maybe another incentive for her.

It would be a good place to talk about things.

Another incentive for everybody to listen.

All right.

Well, those are the fast five.

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Hi, Jackson McLeod.

Love you guys.

Longtime toaster here.

N-log at MSG.

I was there.

I'm 24 years old, single New York City gal, and I've been trying to prioritize dating.

I've gone on so many dates, and and I'm constantly bored by these men, a bunch of big, fat, nothing burgers.

I tend to be extremely picky with guys, and I find an excuse to stop seeing them after a few dates.

But I've been seeing this new guy for a few months, and he has literally no icks.

He's so hot, he's smart, he's interesting, we're culturally similar, and we have very similar values.

We have a really strong connection, but there's one thing.

He self-published three books, and I read them.

I sort of ignored how self-publishing is a little cringy, and I read them anyway.

He keeps asking me for my thoughts in a super genuine and bashful way, and I don't know know what to say because the books are insufferable.

I've just been thinking about, I've just been giving vague compliments, but thank God this is not his day job because it really feels like I'm reading some random kids' high school English paper that never ends.

This feels so mean to say because he's such an amazing guy and I really like him aside from this.

I don't want to lie to him, but I obviously can't say I hate your books.

I don't know if this is a real issue or just me being dramatic and looking for an out.

It's making me want to end things, which feels so crazy.

Help.

What do I say to him and do I keep seeing him?

Love a well-read toaster.

I just want to say I only find fault in one thing that you said, and that's that self-publishing is cringy.

I just want to say self-publishing is probably the smartest thing you can do financially.

And it shows initiative.

Like, obviously, he's not like a writer with a huge following.

Like, you can't just get published.

And the fact that he's not like waiting for some, you know, hopeless dream to come true, he just took initiative.

I feel like it actually shows a lot of really good qualities you want in like a partner.

Also, I imagine that that's not his full-time job.

She said it's not.

So, this is a hobby.

I think it's really important for people to have hobbies like creative outlets, just things that bring them joy.

And he's taking initiative, getting it published, like not, you know, waiting and hoping that this book is going to be like the next big thing, but moving on with his life while also pursuing his passions.

It is really awkward to like read someone's book and not like it.

And there's three of them and he wants to know what you think.

But I think we can chalk it up to just like this awkward thing about the relationship.

If everything else is so perfect, like do not

do not.

Like that's hella dramatic.

I don't know.

I think it's sweet.

Like, I think it's cool when people have passions.

I think it's cool.

I mean, you have to be somewhat financially stable to self-publish because you got to put up a lot of money.

So, like, maybe he's rich.

We love that.

Just trying to look for the positives.

In what ways is the book bad?

Like, is it...

What kind of book is it?

What kind of book is it?

Like, is it a memoir?

Is it bad because it's just like, you know, it sounds like Paul talking on Love is Blind.

Like, it's just like verbose and goes on.

Because that's like, okay, not for me.

Right.

Is it, you know, written in layman's terms and it's just really terrible?

Like, is it,

what's the genre?

You know, I feel like if it's a bad thriller, okay, like, whatever.

If it's bad, you know, self-help, spice,

yeah, if it's bad, smut.

I, I, honestly, I don't find anything wrong with this.

Just like you're in an uncomfortable situation because you didn't like the book, so like, how do you move forward?

Just lie.

I like, this is a lie that doesn't hurt anybody.

Yeah, you could just be like, typically, I don't like love this genre, but I thought it was so good.

I think it's so cool that like you write

and that you took the time to write those books.

I don't know.

It makes me like think more of this guy.

The fact that he's like obviously very like well-read and intellectual.

He to create something, like put something pen to paper, that's extremely difficult while also maintaining that this is not your full-time job and having another career.

And he wanted something and he went out and got it.

I feel like it shows like perseverance, you know, and good qualities there.

They're good qualities in a partner

for the long haul.

I agree completely.

You don't want someone who's boring.

Like you want someone who's curious and like has, I don't know, things to say and is well read and you'll never be bored.

Yeah.

And knows how to like busy himself like writing books and self-publishing.

Like it's important to have healthy hobbies like that.

Oh, and you never know.

Maybe it wasn't for you.

Maybe the book goes viral on TikTok and he becomes the next great writer.

Maybe one day your kids like make a TikTok video about my dad wrote this book 14 years ago and he flawed so hard on it.

Please like go read it.

And then he becomes a New York Times bestseller.

Love.

Happy ending.

Beautiful.

I don't think there's anything wrong.

I think you're looking for problems.

Maybe like, like, I think you admitted yourself, like, you're very picky and you're like looking for a way out or an ick.

And that's definitely what's going on here.

Yeah.

It's definitely like a, this is uncharted territory.

Okay, I would say you could classify this as an ick, but I don't think one ick should break a relationship.

No, and an ick is like an unreasonable thing in someone that you find icky.

It's not any ever a legit.

That's a whole concept of an ick.

It's like, oh my god, I get the ick when he like stands up.

You know?

So he shouldn't stand up.

If you see an ick from someone once, does that mean that you should break up?

Like, what does an ick really mean?

No, I think ick culture has gotten out of control.

Like, I think it's spiraled a lot.

It's now to the point where people are like looking for icks because it's like funny and it's just like, you know, oh, that gave me the ick when he did that.

But okay, yeah, no, ick culture has spiraled out of control to the point where like everyone's single because they're getting icked out by like, oh my god, he breathed.

I can't.

You know, Zach and I did a podcast episode together a few months ago on Patreon.

Um,

one of the questions was like, What is something that the other does that gives you the ick?

And I actually had like the perfect response.

It's like, we should still be married, but when he does this, I get the ick.

What was it?

It was

using the word binky instead of pacifier.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Jail.

Jail.

Jail to the man.

That's disgusting.

You mean a binky?

Like, ick.

Ick.

Oh, and also, now he doesn't call it a binky in my presence anymore.

Problem equals solved.

Right.

All right, next up.

Hey, Jackson Claren.

How you doing?

I recently unexpectedly got let go for my job.

I've always been so career-driven driven and I feel so out of place and really lost.

I now have to meet my boyfriend's extended family and I can't help but feeling like a bum and I'm like embarrassed.

I met his parents and brother already and I know that he already told them, which is mortifying.

Can you help me navigate how I answer questions about my work as his extended family will certainly ask?

I feel so awkward answering questions and I just want to cancel altogether.

Please help.

P.S.

Don't ever stop singing.

Okay, do not cancel.

We'll help you navigate like that part of the conversation, but I think what you should focus on is just being like an impressive, wonderful girly for the rest of the night.

Like, you are, there are so many ways to impress and just like showcase yourself outside of whatever your job is.

Like, your job is just your job.

And right now, it's, you're in a lull, but that doesn't mean they're going to write you off completely.

Like, no.

So, get your story straight about like what's going on with your job so that you sound like someone who wants to work and you're not, I know, you're not a bum, even though you feel that way right now.

But then, like,

charm them.

You know what I mean?

Like, be interesting, be knowledgeable, be have opinions, be

up to date on what's going on.

Like that will just be like, oh, she's in between jobs right now, but she's an amazing girl.

No, and I also think context around like the current economic crisis is really important.

Like you weren't just let go.

Like everyone is let go.

Like what was it?

Google laying off 12% of the Facebook, Netflix, everyone is being everyone.

First of all, you're not alone, so that should make you feel better.

And two, like, why don't you just go into a rant about how like the current government is just like not working?

And like, you just get political, you know, like, oh, can you believe?

I don't know.

I don't even know like what the right word is but like oh peep boo to judge you know like something like this fucking global crisis i don't know whatever like talk about that because like you were you weren't like oh you said you're career driven you weren't like oh because you're a bad employee you're like oh because nobody can afford to keep people hiring anymore because the economy is so bad so it's like go into that be like oh i wish i knew like the right thing to say oh inflation you know something yeah yeah but also it's like you know what's a really good example of this like i feel like love is blind um when zach met bliss's dad it's like because he is a lawyer like that's so impressive and he like made that his whole personality and it was.

To the point where it wasn't impressive.

Yeah.

And it's like, okay, so you have a great job, but like the rest of the conversation is trash.

Flip it.

Like I'd rather have a great conversation with someone who's like in between jobs right now and just like doing their best.

But the rest of the meeting of the parents is going great.

Right.

It's so important to remember like you are so much more than your job.

Like and jobs are so fluid and people come and go and fire and quit.

You'll get another job.

I don't think they'll be overly concerned.

Like, oh.

I think you just got to like take it on the chin, you know, know, and like instead of don't be embarrassed about it.

Don't be embarrassed.

Don't be like, uh,

I feel like sometimes be like, well, I'm, I'm working on some project.

Like, don't lie.

Yeah.

Just be like, I was doing this for this many years at this company.

I was like so passionate about it.

This is what I want to be doing with my career.

They made cuts.

So I'm not in that role anymore, but I've applied to here, here, here, and here, and I'm really optimistic.

Yeah, have like a full answer.

So they just move on from the question and then you can talk about literally anything else.

And then in everything else, dazzle.

Dazzle, razzle, dazzle.

Which you should do anyway.

Yeah.

Even if you had a great job, like you're not just going to sit on your laurels, you want to dazzle your potential new in-laws.

I also feel like when it comes to a job in like hetero relationships, with like meeting parents, it's always like, what does the husband do?

Because it's like a husband's supposed to provide for their wife or whatever.

So maybe you'll just get lucky, and his parents are very traditional.

They're like, oh, good, she doesn't work.

She gets more time in the kitchen.

And then you offer like a blueberry pie recipe or something.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Bring good food.

Bring, like, dazzle.

That's what it means.

Dazzle.

Sparkle and shine.

Yeah.

Women of New York, frost yourselves.

All right, our third and final deer toasters.

Hey, Jackson Turdy Lou.

I'm a Gen Z toaster who found you guys through TikTok clips and I listen every single day.

You are seriously getting me through college.

So I'll get straight to it.

Are you okay?

Do you want to take a minute just to pat yourself?

No, it's good.

I'm so used to this.

It happens all the time.

There's this guy I've been hanging out with for a while now.

I'll go over to his apartment.

We watch shows.

We get food, et cetera.

I also regularly spend the night, and he is the one who asks me to stay over, so I don't feel like I'm overstepping or anything.

The thing is, this guy has not made a move.

He wants me around, and I can tell he obviously enjoys spending time with me.

He seriously is a PJOM.

He's also super shy.

It took me a while to even get him, to get to see more, a more open side of him when we were just hanging out.

When we go to sleep, he gives me my space, and we genuinely just sleep.

He only kissed me once, and it was when we first met and he was drunk.

But after that, he's just comfortable hanging out and just talking without any intimacy.

Don't get me wrong, it's not awkward at all.

We still have an amazing time, but how do I break the cycle of like being in this weird friend zone?

Yeah.

Thank you guys.

It's like he didn't friend zone you, but you are his friend.

Yeah.

Like this is a friendship.

This literally is a book I just read.

And it was because the guy is like so extremely socially awkward to the point of like

anxiety and he's like really smart and funny, but like only when you really get to know him and she's like so excited to get to know him and every time she does she like falls more in love with him.

It's actually not a good book, but it applies here.

It sounds good.

It sounds like he's just really shy.

Yeah, maybe.

And like he's getting so comfortable with you to the point where like he will be 100% of himself at some point.

And the more time you spend, even though if you're like a really shy person, like sleeping with someone platonically is like psychotic.

Yeah, but it sounds like he's getting comfortable.

And if you really like him and you're having a good time and he's having a good time, this is all really nice.

I feel like if you want things to progress, that you might have to

let him know that you're ready for that.

Like he might need a green light from you.

I'm not saying that you need to like pursue it and be the one who like goes in every single time.

No, but in the beginning for sure in the beginning for sure maybe like i don't know what you guys do when you like order food and watch tv like maybe get a couple drinks up in there yeah nothing like crazy because you don't want to like rely on it you don't want to rely on it and also you don't want to like do something that would be so different from what you normally do but like a spritz or two yeah just get him feeling a little loose yeah it would help you will have to take charge in the beginning but i think there's something really cute about shy guys there's like always like another layer like you're just constantly learning more about them yeah i think you could like make it like a cute little kiss move and then turn it into a conversation just And then it's like, you're really one of the only people, like you and like his family who really know him.

And like, he doesn't give like other, he gives other versions of himself to other people, but you know the real him.

It's kind of like

he's like worth waiting for and like worth being patient for.

Yeah.

But you're just gonna have to do like a little more legwork than you might have in a different situation, but a different situation like wouldn't Gardner use such a P jom.

Oh my god, like I'm kind of obsessed with shy guys like now that we're talking about.

Hey shy, shy, shy.

He's shy.

He's shy.

It's so cute.

Like I like.

He'll be good.

He'll be shy when he goes out to the clubs.

Yeah, no, he's not going to be like out here at strip clubs because he's literally too shy.

He's so shy.

I love him.

Please keep us updated.

Yeah, just like make little moves.

Make a move.

You have to be comfortable knowing, like, in the beginning, like, you're going to have to be the one who is a little bit more aggressive.

But it's fine.

The ball's in your core.

He obviously likes you.

He has you to sleep over.

Yeah.

And

he's just hanging out.

If you were a friend, quote, like an actual friend, and he only saw you as a friend, he would invite you to hang out and stuff, but he would not ask you to sleep over.

Yeah, like maybe like in the bed, like you like grab a hand.

You're like put your foot up.

The hand hold.

yeah that's a cute way to sleep yeah just do something yeah

baby steps yeah but i think it's worth pursuing it sounds really promising i'm excited i feel like this is the start of a beautiful smut rom-com none of this ever happens in college no i know it sounds actually he sounds so like advanced and evolved yeah i'm like obsessed with this guy obsessed i need a picture honestly please update us just like anything that happens don't let him go don't let him go no i'm telling you like he's the one

maybe i'm like romanticizing it because i just read this like romantic romantic book, but like I'm, he's the one for you.

Like, the picture I have in my head is just like so sweet.

And I don't see anything like

nefarious or

like bad about it.

No red flags here.

No, no, I'm obsessed.

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