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Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Wednesday.

Hope everyone's having an amazing hump day thus far.

Humping someone they love.

Getting real down and dirty.

Speaking of dirty, how's my favorite girl?

Hey, Jax.

How you doing?

You could have rhymed that really nicely.

Speaking of dirty, how's my favorite girly?

Fuck, should we restart?

No, no, it's okay.

We know for next time.

I'm doing great because I'm spending a hump day with the woman I love.

McClurdial Liturdial Shah.

That is me, in case you were wondering.

It is you.

And I'm just so grateful to be spending another day.

of saving the bees.

It was another great day.

Let's talk about that.

Let's talk about how it was another great day of saving the bees.

Yeah, I'm happy to talk about that because it is.

And honestly, bees are so important for our ecosystem.

Some would say integral.

Integral.

Do we have an ad for beekeepers natural today?

We don't.

Because that would have been a wonderful segue.

But we do have deer toasters.

It's Wednesday.

We haven't been, we haven't done deer toasters in a while.

Like the people are needing our help.

They're not okay.

They're not okay.

We've got baby name stealers, a Shayla situation on our hands, which is always tough.

Yeah.

Ooh, can't wait to hear.

I hope they give us the name too to see if it's worth fighting over.

Okay.

They actually did give us the name.

And I don't know, you know, a lot of times when people write into Deer Toasters, they use fake names because obviously they don't want people in their life maybe hearing the podcast.

So I don't know if it's a fake name.

I hope it's not.

I hope it's not because it's all dependent on what the name is.

Right.

Like if it's McClurdial Liturdial, you fight to the death for it.

I agree.

That's a name worth dying for.

100%.

So it was so good to be back yesterday.

Let me tell you how I don't often watch our own episodes back because I just get very like self-critical and the sound of my own voice makes me want to die.

But I did watch yesterday's episode because I felt like we were really like on one.

And it was so good to be back.

And I felt like a toaster.

What was your favorite part?

Probably just every time I spoke, if I'm being honest.

So the whole episode.

Pretty much.

Like when I take pictures of people or record videos, like me and Ben will take a picture and I will literally get to the stage of posting it before I realize Ben's eyes are closed.

You know, like, I don't even look at another human being unless it's me.

And that's just be being honest.

I understand.

I feel like most people are that way.

And I'm glad that you love what you're bringing to the table.

I just hope that doesn't inspire like more

talking over me, less jackie talking.

I don't know.

I'm so good.

I'm so good.

Like, every time I was watching,

every time I was watching, I was like, my God, that girl, that girl on the right, she's got charisma.

She's got uniqueness.

She's got nerve.

She's got talent.

She also has a wonderful partner who really like

alley oops.

It's a real alley oop situation.

It's a lob and an oop.

It's a lob, yeah.

Speaking of spurts.

Let me tell you how I thought our conversation about sports yesterday was so interesting and we're literally becoming sports influencers.

Like I had, there must be a lot of social media managers who work for different teams because like the invites are pouring in.

Like, come to Portland.

Like, I'm really like, I'm kind of like Charles Barkley.

Yeah, that's what I think.

And you're back.

That's where your career is headed.

I wouldn't mind it.

I think that I could.

There's so many jobs in the talk, sports, radio realm.

Like as talking girls, if we did, and you know, women are really underrepresented in the sports.

Like if you did want to make sports your expertise, except like it requires a level of historical knowledge that's like on par with housewives except actually even more because it's been going on hundreds of years and there are more players if you did want to make that your beat like i think you would have ample job opportunities i think so too like i i think aaron andrews should sleep with one eye open

i think she does i think because she had like a stalker situation by the way that's so weird that you said that because i was actually thinking about that situation the other day when like somebody drilled a hole in her hotel room and put a camera and took pictures of her naked.

I think because I was naked in my hotel room in on vacation, I was just thinking how vulnerable I felt, like being in like a different,

and I just was reminded of that Aaron Andrews situation and how fucking crazy that was.

That is crazy.

I didn't realize that's what had happened exactly.

Yeah,

it was a hotel room.

And I believe she sued and won.

Did she sue Marriott or she sued the stalker?

I don't know.

It was a crazy situation.

I just, that's weird that you brought that up because I was literally thinking about her the other day.

Yeah.

So there's like a couple other girlies out there doing doing it.

Shout out to the, you know,

a lot of them are toasters because sometimes I'll like click on a verified toaster and they're like a news, you know, sideline girly.

But I just feel like, you know, if you ever want to pivot, I support you.

I would pivot, but not to the sidelines because that sounds like a lot of standing up.

One thing like I love about my job is that I do it sitting down.

And you do it most of the time in a temperature controlled environment.

Right.

So I don't think sideline reporting would be for me, but I would love to be like the halftime show back at the studio.

Maybe I I could sing a song during the halftime.

Oh, yeah.

And you could like digest, debrief, talk about what's been going on.

But I feel like, I feel like these sports shows need official WAGS correspondence because I feel like when you can get to what's going on in the WAG world of a team, you can really understand the health of a team.

So I think that's actually what E was trying to do with the show WAGS, but then they like randomly canceled it.

I think because the term wag is considered derogatory and they were trying to be like a women's network.

They're always, by the way, I I just, I'm about to make the world's best comparison.

Okay.

E-news, no, not E.

The E-Network is the Miley Cyrus of channels.

Like every couple of years, like reinventing themselves, being like, no, this is the real E.

Miley's doing that right now.

Like, she has this huge campaign billboards all over the world, like, new year, new Miley.

Like, new Miley, like we didn't know the real Miley before.

Got it.

And so

she's going with a new image this year?

Yeah, she has a new image coming out.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what it is.

I saw some images from her New Year's Eve bash and the image I was seeing was her being like pretty polished, but still like rock and roll.

You know, she's wearing like a classy gown like with her tats and all that.

Right.

No, and her dyed hair.

It's like bleach blonde, but also black in the back.

I like the era of Miley we've been in for a while, the rocker.

It was about love, but it wasn't last.

Zoom man.

Like I liked, I like that era, but I guess it's coming to a close.

Like, Miley is constantly reinventing herself to the point where it's like kind of exhausting.

Not kind of.

Like, we are exhausted.

And that's what sang it for years, too.

That's what Can't Be Tamed was supposed to be the real Miley.

She can't be tamed.

Miley Cyrus and her dead pets.

Oh my gosh, finally, I can express myself.

Bangers, this is the real Miley.

Like, forever.

Malibu is

Miley stripped.

Yeah, no, it's like every couple of years, it's like the real Miley's coming out.

That's what E does.

Like, they go through the.

Same with Demi.

Every couple of years, the real Demi documentary comes out.

Well, that's true.

Demi is the queen of reinventing herself via documentary.

And Miley is the queen of reinventing herself via genre.

Yeah.

And E-News is always like, every couple of years, like, we're going to be a woman's network.

And then every couple of years, we're actually going to be pop culture.

We're going to have four different genres.

Pop.

Then it's like, actually, we're going to be family.

We're going to do the Bradshaw.

It's like, they're always doing.

And then there was like the busy Phillips era.

Like, they're always reinventing themselves.

And it never works.

That was the women's era.

Yeah.

They're always reinventing themselves.

And and it never works.

I feel like with Miley, like actually a couple of the times, like it actually worked.

Like, the Malibu era was very much it for me.

I actually really like the rock era she's been in, right?

But when something works, like if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Like, why can't we stay there?

No, I thought we were staying in the rock era, like, it took a few times for her to actually really find herself, and now she had found herself in the rock era, Joan Jet vibes.

But it seems like there's a new year, new Miley.

We'll have to wait and see.

But I feel like that's Miley's statement on just like she's just being Miley.

Like, she's always going to be changing, having new interests, having new vibes.

And she, even even if she finds one that suits her, like, nothing is static.

It's so true.

It's constantly transforming.

So true.

Anyways,

I miss wags on E, but no, what I meant was like someone there who's the WA correspondent.

Like.

That's their beat.

Here's what's going on with the wives.

Like, here's who's like hanging out here, you know, their struggles.

They're hanging out.

Like, if we're going on double dates, like, I'm probably going to pass to you on the field.

But if we were going on double dates and now we're not.

I do think that the players very much keep their social lives, personal lives, and like this, the field separate.

But that's where the wags come in, because they're showing everything and people aren't paying attention.

No, there definitely needs to be like a wags correspondent on Sports Center.

I completely agree.

Like that's

your job.

Yeah, but I love my job.

You have pert time.

Per time?

I would love that.

Yeah, just something to think about.

Another thing to think about is how beautiful we are.

I think that's something we should definitely talk about before we dive in.

We've got good stories today.

It was so good to catch up yesterday.

And then we're going to change some lives in Dear Toasters.

And this would be a good time to remind you that, you know, we are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I feel like I haven't promoted, you know, submissions in a while.

So we're almost at the bottom.

So we would love some fresh submissions, maybe something you haven't heard yet here on the toast.

Reminder the email if you want to write in every Wednesday.

We do an advice segment where we're going to give you the best unfiltered, sometimes tough love advice, deartoasters at gmail.com.

We will never share your name.

You can change little facts to keep it anonymous.

But it's important that

you guys get involved in Deer Toasters because Deer Toasters is only as good as the submissions.

Yes.

And we love Deer Toasters.

But I think, you know, the hope, the ultimate goal for Deer Toasters is that like.

We solve everything and that one day there are no more submissions because like that's what's happening.

We solved it.

Maybe that's what's happening is that like everybody's tape we've done so many over the years, they're like taking our advice from all of the different ones and like they're just applying it to their situation.

Like we've kind of just solved the world's problems.

No, that's definitely an interesting way of looking at it.

I like where your head is at because when you think about kind of the energy we put forth in deer toasters, but also just in the toast itself, I do really feel as though we're making people

better,

thus.

decreasing their problems.

Yeah, bettering people.

Right.

And this would also be a good time if today's episode was sponsored by BetterHelp, but it's not.

But also, you have to think about it.

And in Dear Toasters, there's always, you know, like the toaster who's being wrongfully treated.

And then there's the villain.

And maybe as the toast grows, like those villains are becoming toasters and they're seeing themselves in these dear toasters and listening to the show and becoming better people.

So maybe there's just like less villainous people.

And that's why it's genuinely like imperative that everyone listens to the toast.

Genuinely.

It's integral, much like the bees.

We are the bees.

We are the bees.

We are the bees.

Are we the bees?

I couldn't help but wonder, were we the bees?

I think we are.

Makes sense.

So we've got a great show.

I didn't do much

consummation, consumption, not consumption.

I actually did do a little consummation.

I didn't do any consumption yesterday, so I don't have any TV to recap.

Is yellow?

So you're reading.

I'm reading.

I'm reading some smut, which is always good.

A lot of people had recommended.

Smut.

That's what they call like romance porn novels.

Why?

No clue.

This is harks back to yesterday.

I don't question the trend of the novel.

It doesn't stand for something like spicy,

matronly.

Underworldly tales.

It might stand for something.

It might be an acronym.

I don't know.

But smut is books that are good, but also have porn.

So a lot of people had recommended

a book that kind of went viral over the seasons.

It was like a holiday-themed smut.

It was called Tis the Season for Revenge.

And it was really cute.

And then I didn't know that it was actually the second book in a sequel.

And as I was reading it, she was talking about her sister and her husband.

And I was like, they sound like book one.

And I was right.

It was book one.

So now I'm reading book one.

I'm reading it not in order, but it's fine.

These books don't really need to be read in any specific order.

They're They're not, you know, Harry Potter.

No, no, no, no, no.

It's not,

it's that integral, unlike the bees.

Understood.

So yes, Mudd, I guess, would say, like, if there's an ab on the cover.

Yeah, well, so that's what's really embarrassing is that recently

someone in the literary space decided to like take porn books and change the covers, making them like cartoons.

And so if you're walking around with a book or even your Kindle has the book cover on the front, no one's going to know you're reading porn because it's it's just like a cute little cartoon.

It looks like a cute romance novel.

But some of the books are taking longer to update with their old covers.

And

book two in this series has like a cute little cartoon animation.

Book one has like a sexy man with his shirt off, and it's beyond embarrassing.

And I need all the romance novelists to like update their covers, okay?

Yeah, but that is just a tale as old as time.

Like, I feel like back in the day,

yeah, women used to read romance novels, and it's like Lorenzo Llamas on the cover.

Fabio.

And now you are going through the same thing, just like a new version of it.

And I feel like, you know, girls used to like look at those books at the store and be like, who would read that?

And now like that's what you're reading, essentially.

No, for sure.

Like

you don't watch Friends, but at one point, Joey is looking for something in Rachel's room and under her pillow, he finds her novel.

And it's like a Danielle Steele.

And they like mock her endlessly for the episode about like this chimney sweep who's sweeping the chimney shirtless and that's literally what those books are but they've just been reinvented and I think whoever did that is brilliant they've been reinvented as smut but I don't know if it was someone's like marketing decision or just like women are women and when you reach like a certain age and a stage in your life and you're married and you know the spiciness isn't always there

you bring it in yeah no it's so true and now like it's it's considered like cool now and it's like smut and spicy on tick tock yeah um but I think women have been doing this.

Even like when I read some of my like Gilded Age books, there's like, you know, the one book they're all passing around.

Right.

No.

And I think, and actually another book I was reading, like a more serious book, I can't remember what, I actually highlighted this passage.

It's like, we tend to mock.

things that are really popular amongst women as like childish or like weird.

And it got me thinking, like, that's really what those romance novels were for a long time.

And I feel like Colleen Hoover and just like the advent of book talk, like have really

normalized and like taken the stigma out of reading books like that like just because it's a romance novel and it's corny and there's like love scenes doesn't make it any less compelling or literary or important honestly yes and i also think the kindle has done that because you don't have to walk around holding fabio on the cover like you're reading it looks intellectual but like nobody needs to know what the fuck you're reading like nobody needs unless you want to share no it's so fucking true and like i chill i i'm chilled at the thought of like you know people who like to read these books before Kindles and before the rebrand to cartoons, like in the airport, they were probably like mortified.

Yeah.

So then it became like this, you know, shameful like back door thing.

And now it's just kind of out in the open.

I think it's nice.

I think it's nice.

I think TikTok was huge for that, honestly.

Yeah.

And the redheads, obviously.

The redheads, obviously.

We're recording the new episode today about the book, The It Girl.

If you were ever thinking about becoming a Redhead, one, January is a great month to do it.

New goals, you know, we're starting the year as academics.

Two, this book was so good.

It's a thriller about an it girl, like set at Oxford University.

Doesn't get more gorgeous.

And I personally like had no idea

who the twist.

Yeah, the twist.

I thought it was so good.

I want you to read it because you've been really good at scratching.

You've been really good at predicting.

Like you saw a flicker in the dark coming from the beginning, which is crazy.

Saw.

Duh.

I did not.

So I want to see if you can catch this one.

I'm actually bad.

I feel like I say this all the time, like at movies and books that have like murderous twists or thrillers.

I will never guess.

Like I will, even the most obvious things, like movie twists, I'm like shocked by.

So with reading, I feel like I've gotten really clever just because I've been reading so much.

I'm like, I know all these authors' tricks.

It's really hard for an author to do something new.

So when they do, it's huge.

Like gone, girl.

Right.

So I am going to read the Redheads book before the episode, not before the episode, before I listen to the episode because I want to read it and I want to listen to the episode.

It's a great time to become a redhead.

It is.

So

new episode drops tomorrow.

And then next book is my choice.

And I'm,

I don't know, I'm juggling a lot of different choices.

Do I go really serious?

Do I go with another thriller?

Because that seems to be like what we can all agree on is good.

And I have a few lined up that like I know are good.

They have good ratings and they have good reviews.

Do I do a little more romance?

Do I do historical fiction?

I'm just not in the mood.

No, actually, like being the person who selects the book club book, or even being the person, like

just, it's the worst.

Like, you can't wait for your turn, and then it's your turn, and you're like, oh.

I know.

It's so much pressure.

Well, while you're recording your redheads, I am going to such an important doctor's visit that I can hardly contain myself.

I haven't gotten Botox in well over a year because.

What?

Yeah, because when I...

yeah,

no, you've had Botox since I've given birth,

maybe once, yeah, because I remember one time, like, you were coming from there.

I don't think so, but I haven't had it in a really long time, and I consciously stopped because while I was on tour and I knew I was going to be filming a special, like, I really, I hate when my face doesn't move when I'm doing comedy, it's like half of my comedy is just me and my crazy face, you know?

Yeah.

So I had to stop, and now I'm so excited.

My forehead is never going to move ever again and I cannot wait.

Mine's holding up.

I like I could go for some refresh, but it's only been like three months.

So you don't want to do it too often.

I feel like that's the best part of getting Botox.

It's not the immediate freezing.

It's like when you start to regain a little movement.

So you still look like, you know, an expressive person, but you don't have crazy wrinkles.

I actually like that part of the Botox process.

I'm anti-movement.

You're anti-movement.

Yeah.

You're more of a conservative.

Why?

That would be anti-movement.

No, like you you want to conserve like the forehead.

Forehead.

I hate talking about the word farhead.

Yeah, farhead.

Forehead.

Ugh.

I know.

Not on this show.

Not on this show.

And I don't know why we say the word incorrectly.

I don't know why either.

And there's not like a group of people who either pronounce it forehead or forehead.

It's just everyone says forehead.

Forehead?

No.

Farhead.

Farhead.

That's right.

Now that that's settled, I think that we can get and that we should

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Okay, our first story, a little new romance news.

Matthew Lawrence from Boy Meets World confirms his romance with TLC's Chili three months after divorcing from Cheryl Burke.

It looks like Rosonda Chili Thomas and Matthew Lawrence are in perfect harmony.

The TLC member and the Boy Meets World alum are in an exclusive relationship and are very happy, her rep confirmed to E-News.

Chili and Matthew made their relationship Instagram official on New Year's, both sharing a video of themselves dancing to Aha's Take on Me and matching PJs and captioning it.

hashtag New Year shenanigans, hashtag onesie gang, hashtag we cute.

The no scrub singer's rep told TMC that the couple started dating just before Thanksgiving and that they spent the holiday as well as Christmas together in Atlanta, where he met her family.

Although Chili and Matthew have known each other for longer as they were photographed soaking up the sun in Hawaii in August.

And it looks like fans are thrilled for the pair.

Quote, my 90s heart is bursting with joy for both of you.

Right now, the relationship is going on here.

The relationship news comes about three months after, by the way, the Mrs.

Doubtfire actor.

Yes, he is the son from Mrs.

Doubtfire.

Oh, grown up.

My God, I did never put that together that he's also from Boymates World, that he's the second son.

I mean, the second kid.

The second kid.

And he's from Hot Chick.

He's like the guy.

You know, Hot Chick isn't a movie that stuck with me.

It's like...

It's from that era of films that we loved.

And I feel like my friends are always quoting it.

And it's not a movie that I really ever gave a shit about.

Yeah, no, but anytime it's always on some random channel, anytime I watch a piece of it, it's always really good.

Anyways, he was the boyfriend.

Love interest.

He finalized his divorce from Cheryl Burke three months ago, the former Dancing with the Stars profile for divorce from Matthew on February 18th after almost three years of marriage, citing irreconcilable differences as the reason for their split and listing their date of separation as January 7th.

So there's a lot going on here.

The two things going on are people are freaking out that these two are dating because it's very 90s.

It's iconic.

Obviously, TLC, Waterfalls, iconic.

Boy Meets World, Mrs.

Delphi are iconic, and it's cute.

But what's really more interesting about this is the Cheryl Burke of it all from Dancing with the Stars.

First of all, I know that Cheryl Burke, like, had recently gotten divorced and was making TikToks about how she hates her ex-husband because she had to pay for everything.

Literally, like, she was blowing him up on TikTok.

And I never put together that her ex-husband was this man, like, not until literally this morning when I saw this.

Why would you?

Because, like, literally, who fucking cares?

Because you would hear, like, what his name was, and you would just keep moving.

Right.

And all of her TikToks were like, how you paid for everything and like you were the breadwinner.

So I'm like, oh, obviously he's a nobody.

Like I literally, like I couldn't even be bothered to look at who her ex-husband was.

But now it's more interesting to me.

And Cheryl Burke, since this news has come out, has like really unloaded on TikTok.

And I have to say, I know she's the victim in this because it appears as though like their relationship timeline like is not kosher.

And he was definitely cheating on her.

And she was saying in her TikToks that he had numbers, her number saved as his brother in his phone.

Like he was definitely being nefarious.

And I know that she's the hurt party here, but like she has to get off of TikTok because it's making her look like a big loser.

Like her TikToks are not like serving in the way that she thinks that they're serving.

Like she's doing all of these trends, like thinking she's coming out on top.

And she looks so sour.

She looks so bitter.

And she looks like she doesn't know how to use TikTok.

It's just so weird to me if you like zoom out of the situation that like.

She went through a divorce from this man.

They're now divorced and he's in a new relationship and it also sucks that like everyone's shipping his new relationship.

It sucks.

And like her way of processing it is taking to TikTok and doing trends with the theme of her divorce.

Like, that's fucking weird.

If aliens came down to Earth, they would be like, what are you doing?

The first couple of times I saw the TikToks, before I really knew the context, I just thought she was like, to me, she was getting divorced from a man with no face.

Like I didn't know him.

I was like, oh, you know what?

Kind of love her throwing him under the bus for like leaving her after she literally like bankrolled their lives.

Like I did, I did like it.

But now with all the context and like people shipping and then her like just kind of like clawing to like make an impact.

It's really, she has to stop.

She's making herself look really bad.

Especially because people are shipping and the timeline.

Okay, so that's weird that they were together in Hawaii in August, but they're saying they started dating Thanksgiving.

Like, let's say they started dating, they were dating in Hawaii and maybe they met even a few months before.

Like, the date of separation was January.

January.

So, okay, he's going through a divorce, but he met someone else.

No, we all know how long it takes.

She's saying that, like, he was texting her, I guess, when they were married.

Right.

That's what she's saying.

So they've been together well over a year.

And it's been hush-hush.

I don't know.

Do you think they knew each other like back from the 90s days or like recently just connected?

I don't know.

I don't know enough.

Like, honestly, I'm not a boy meets world girly.

I don't know who they were hanging with.

I don't know how big they were as stars themselves, especially if they weren't like Corey and Topanga.

Yeah, no, they were both like

a part of something really big, but not like the biggest person in that, in their specific thing.

Like he wasn't the biggest star on Boy Meets World and she wasn't the biggest star from TLC.

Right.

So I don't know how much their paths might have crossed.

And like, did TLC do anything with the networks that Boy Meets is?

I don't know enough.

Like it's not as, you know, Nick and Jessica.

Right, no, for sure.

But it is like a smaller version of that.

And like, it is cute.

And if it weren't for like the Cheryl Burke of it all, I think everyone would be shipping even more.

But I, I, for me, the more interesting part of this whole saga, like, isn't the 90s reconnecting?

It's Cheryl Burke's TikTok.

And I just need this to reach her.

Like, you are not coming out looking like a winner.

You have to stop the TikToks.

Like, please.

It's,

it's odd.

It's odd.

And it's just, it's giving, I don't know what the right word is, but it's giving like loser.

And I don't mean loser as in like, I mean as someone who is losing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's just like how an 18-year-old would behave if they found that their boyfriend was cheating on them.

Yeah.

And like he also was a TikToker.

Right.

But this is just not.

It's not the place.

It's not adult behavior.

It's not adult behavior.

It's not the place for this technology.

You have to think about what the aliens would think if they came down and saw this.

They would be ashamed.

Sometimes that's the only way to get perspective on something.

So true.

Like, what would someone who has no prior interest or knowledge of this think about what you're doing?

No, it's amazing.

It's so true.

Well,

I think it's cute news.

I hope Cheryl Burke finds love.

She's on Dancing with the Stars.

There's always love to be found there or former.

So she could go and be a judge and find love, you know?

No, it's so true.

Like so many of them are having babies and getting married with each other.

It's actually really cute.

I do want to say,

I hadn't seen a picture of the Mrs.

Doubtfire son.

What is his name?

Matthew Lawrence.

It's kind of a name that doesn't have a lot of uniqueness.

It's very nondescript.

nondescript, yeah.

It's a firstie lastie as well.

Like, both the first name and the last name could be first names.

That's not what a firstie lastie is, but okay.

A firstie lastie can also be when, like, I can't say a person's name without saying their full name, like Jackie Ashre.

Yeah, like Joakie.

It's both.

It's both.

I think it's only the latter.

I think it's both, but I hear you, and you might be right.

Let's move on.

We have to have Massey Block.

Literally, First Elastie.

But

I hadn't seen a photo of this Firstie Lastie in so long.

And I have to say, like, he has aged quite beautifully.

Like, he isn't very.

Yeah.

He looks exactly like the kid from Mrs.

Dow Fire.

He has that, like, boyish grin and, like, really all-American look.

He's very handsome.

Yeah.

Happy for Chili.

Happy for them.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story about one of your favorite people?

Is it Mary from Sister Wives?

No, but like,

Chili.

She's spiraling.

She's spiraling.

Close-ish guess.

And I know you're like not interested in the Sister Wives conversation and like you only entertain it for me.

And for that, I'm grateful.

But I'm going to add a layer to it that's going to make you more interested, ready?

Mary is a top seller of Lula Row.

I love that for her.

Gir boss.

Yeah.

No, who's someone else that you love to talk about?

I wouldn't say that you love him.

The hacks.

No, but like you're close.

So you're saying like who is a reality TV loser?

Christley.

Yes.

Yes.

I heard he's doing a tell-all interview.

Todd Christley promises nothing is off limits in his only sit-down interview before he and Julie head to prison.

Wow.

Todd Christley.

Because he must be getting paid a shit ton.

Claudia, keep listening.

Todd Christley is ready to share his truth.

On the latest episode of his Christley Confessions podcast, the Christley Knows Best Star revealed he will only be participating in one interview before he reports to prison, and that his son, Chase Christley, will be doing the honors sometime next week.

Even though his 26-year-old son will be tasked with conducting the interview, Todd promises that he will still answer, quote, all the hard questions.

Oh my, this is such clickbait.

He also knows his son is fully capable of handling the task.

He said, I'm looking forward to that interview not because it's going to be a softball interview.

You have said, Am I allowed to ask all the hard questions?

And I said, You can ask me anything.

I am your daddy.

daddy

okay uh moving on

I'm mad at Todd for making me say that oh I thought he was gonna do like a full like Howard Stern 60 Minutes something like that like something that would pay him he owes millions of dollars in restitution it would this is not a smart business decision he should really put it on patreon Maybe he's selling a lot of ads for the podcast because it will get a lot of listens.

Perhaps, but this is not the interview I was hoping for like at all.

No.

I mean, like, but I guess in a way, he's like

building a brand for his kids.

Like, you know what I mean?

Yeah, that's true.

That's like a gift he's giving his kids.

He's going away for 15 years.

If you watch a show, you know, like he bankrolled them entirely, buying them cars, and he, they lived with them.

So in a way, perhaps this is his way of like giving his kids something.

like a business.

If they have a huge podcast, they can make a huge living from that.

It's one episode.

I know, but like

if if it's gonna be as big as they think it's gonna be like it could sustain itself

i don't think so but maybe it's like okay i'll do the one episode and then maybe the kid takes over the podcast going forward the christly confessions podcast and the christly stands who think that they've been wronged will continue to listen I don't think anybody thinks that they've been wronged.

I just think people think their sentencing was a little harsh when you compare it to like, you know, violent criminals who get out.

Yeah.

So they've been wronged a little bit

yeah they also did wrong right but i think they probably still have people in their corner you know teresa did yeah it's so true but like teresa i could actually see the argument against why teresa shouldn't have gone to jail like she literally was not smart enough to know what was going on right it wasn't the the case is against joe really right and like with the christleys like there's a paper trail of intent to steal money from banks you know yeah yeah

well i definitely will be watching the interview even though, like, I was really hoping I thought it would be when I saw this headline going around, I didn't open it.

I just assumed it would be like a Michael Strahan today show GMA thing.

Yeah, so did I.

And then I kept reading and it was even more shocking than that.

Yeah.

Because like Teresa did even before she went away a one-on-one or after the sentencing, maybe it was two-on-one with Joe, a watched up and slive.

And there were reports she was getting paid.

She owed like a million dollars of restitution to the government.

Like

at that point, you go into hustle mode.

Luann, I think, did her one-on-one.

You know, everyone does it.

Well, they're going to jail for so long that, like, when do they owe this restitution by, you know?

Yeah, I guess it's something like you don't actually pay.

No, it's just a problem for another day, maybe.

Like, maybe they come out of jail and they start hustling, but what can they do now?

And nothing that, no interview that they would get money for is going to put a dent in what they owe.

No, that's so true.

They stole so much money.

Yeah.

So that's what's up with Todd Christley.

Got to keep up with the Christleys constantly until I can't any longer.

Mm-hmm.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yeah.

Emily Radikowski says men can't handle strong women after her Pete Davidson fling.

Emily Radikowski is overdating men who, quote, don't know how to handle strong women.

Oh my God, I'm one of those people who couldn't wait for me.

Oh my God, who doesn't know the difference between women and women?

That is one of my biggest pet teams.

What is this?

What is this?

To me, I just misspoke.

I didn't have a, it wasn't my brain, it was my mouth.

On Housewives, they're always misusing women and women.

It's so annoying.

It's so weird.

Like, it's pretty simple.

I agree.

The High Low podcast host explained in Tuesday's episode that she hates going out with men in particular who truly think they want an independent partner.

She said, quote, they're like, you're special.

You've done it.

They slowly get emasculated and they don't know what to do with those feelings and they resent you and then they start to tear you down.

And then you're just back to square one.

She's saying this coming off the heels of her split with Pete Davidson, though I feel like this isn't about Pete Davidson.

And I feel like if I listened to the whole episode, which no offense, like not in the mood, I would think like I, there's probably more context that it's just about like her relationships in general and probably about her ex-husband still.

Yeah, of course.

I don't think this has anything to do with Pete because Pete has dated, you know, even more powerful women and more independent than him.

Like there's, look at his list of exes.

Right.

And also, like, they dated for a few weeks.

Like, that's not significant enough to like go on your podcast and slam him.

No, I had think this has nothing to do with him, but I just can't help but like roll my eyes.

Like I do, I know that this type of, you know, man exists.

I'm just like getting really tired of like this clickbaity feminism.

Like it's so fraudulent.

And it's like, I saw a clip like from her podcast, like, I want to be able to like show my tits and legislate bills.

Like, you can, you can, I agree.

And I, fundamentally, with what they're like the movement says, like, I don't disagree, but the way in which this like performative feminism has like overtaken white women in Hollywood as like, it's the biggest issue in the world.

Like, it's so performative and it makes me roll my eyes.

And you know what?

I'm about to say, controversial.

It makes me hate women.

It does.

I'm sorry.

I hate this like female is the future t-shirts.

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, like you never met a woman more mean to other women in their lives and like so judgmental of like other women's decisions and like how they choose to live their lives.

I hate this like, it's like white women woke feminism.

Like I hate it.

Yeah, she's really into it.

No, and it's like

the Olivia Wilde running around and like the future is female t-shirts and everything is female, female.

And then it's like you find out she was like begging Shia LaBeouf to come back to her movie and putting Flo, another woman, in a bad position.

Like it's all performative.

It's all bullshit.

I hate this like.

this movement of like women in Hollywood talking about like feminism as if they really even fucking care like they don't care.

And they're so judgmental of how other women choose to lead their lives.

Like I don't like it.

To have like your one experience then be like

generalizing like all men can't handle strong women.

And it's like maybe you just had a weak man.

No, for sure.

And this is not me discounting that those experiences happen and that those men exist.

There are big fucking losery ass men who are so intimidated by women who make money and who are more powerful than them.

Like I get it.

I know that it exists.

Like, but the way in which like the message is being communicated from this like really polished like brand of feminism i hate yeah

and then she goes on to say um after she calls that dynamic like fucked up and unfair she said that she could understand dating women instead and having mutual respect in a relationship she said there might be competition but doesn't feel like somebody's taking something away from someone else um she said and she referred to herself as a bi woman earlier in the episode well it also sounds now like your sexuality is more of a convenience than something you're born with.

And then that's fucking offensive to women who are gay.

Right.

Right.

Like, I just find men intolerable, so I'm going to date women.

That's not how true gay women start dating other women.

It's because they were born that way and they love women.

Like, then that's just offensive.

And it's like

sexuality.

Yeah, sexuality is not a convenience for you because you couldn't find a man who handled your power.

Yeah.

And I see that all the time on TikTok when it's like, oh, I like need to start dating women.

Like women understand me.

That is not what being gay is about.

Yeah.

You're born this way, baby.

Like, oh, she's like, I'm just not the target audience for Emily Radikowski's podcast, like whatsoever.

This, like, this brand of fake ass feminism.

Like, I am a feminist to my core, and I find that I do not believe in anything like the feminist movement empowers.

Like, I feel like feminism is just like lifting up other women, even if I don't agree with them or even if they live their lives differently than me.

Like I support you, live your life bestie.

You want to be a stay-at-home mom, that's valid.

You want to work and never see your kids?

That's also fucking valid.

Like, I don't care.

That's my brand of feminism.

But like this, this new age Hollywood feminism, like I hate.

But as a feminist myself, I support their right to do it.

You support her right to podcast?

Mm-hmm.

And as a podcaster, what do you think?

I just think like they're, you know, the toast isn't for everyone and her podcast is not for me.

And I'm sure there there are people who love it and are really inspired by it.

And I'm so happy for them because that's what's great about the internet is that you can always find something for different people.

And I am not the person to listen to this podcast.

Like the second you started reading, my eyes immediately like went to the back of my head and I couldn't turn them forward.

Yeah, I figured that this would elicit some reaction like that.

Which is always fun.

Yeah.

So you want to move on.

Yeah.

And like, I would love a podcast from Ed Rada on the time her and her husband decided not to pay their rent.

That is more interesting to me because that was like still the craziest.

Like, she's had so many like, not scandals, but like pressworthy moments.

You know, her book came out and then Pete, like, she's always being talked about.

But I'm still stuck on that time a few years ago where they refused to pay rent.

And it was supposed to be some sort of political statement, but they just looked out of touch because they're literally like multi-millionaires and there are people who can't actually afford to pay their rent.

Yeah.

But you know what?

We have to be so grateful to Emrata

because she introduced us to her husband, Sebastian Bear McClard, who has given us McClurdial

for sure.

I don't know if you guys know this, but that's where the nickname McClurdia comes from.

Because the first time I saw his name, McClard, I was like, McLardia.

No, it's true.

So you're right.

Thank you for acknowledging the impact she's actually had on us and our brand.

It's, it's, you know, there's pros and cons to everything.

Yeah.

But she has had a major impact on our brand, I would say.

Major, major.

And that wasn't her intended impact, you know?

No.

But I guess you never know what part of your life is going to touch people.

Our next story is some new couple news, new-ish that I didn't see until yesterday, but we do ship here at The Toast, I think.

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caraway is everything of the sort it's really made an impact on both jackie and i's lives uh yeah it's made a huge impact on my life because it's made like cooking a little less treacherous because doing dishes is so much easier and i imagine for you it's made your life easier that like ben's not leaving you know his tuna stuck to the bowl dishes tuna Tuna stuck to the bowl.

And I have a small kitchen.

Like I don't have a million drawers I could stack a thousand pans in.

Like the way they store is actually huge, like huge impact.

I love that for you.

Some would say it's integral, much like the bees.

Well, you know what?

Caraway would make a perfect 40th birthday present.

And so would a lengthy tribute from your man's Justin Long.

Especially when like you're so, they're so private.

Justin Long pens a lengthy tribute for Kate Bosworth's 40th birthday.

He calls her my joy.

So I personally missed the news last month that these two had started dating.

Oh, I feel like they've actually been dating for way, way longer.

I thought it was December 2021.

2021.

Oh my God.

Okay.

Yeah, no, they've been together for a while.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow.

I'm stuck.

I'm stuck in the past.

Anyways, Justin Long penned a lengthy message to girlfriend and best friend Kate Bosworth via Instagram on Monday for her 40th birthday.

He said, she is 40.

She is also the best part of my everyday, even when we're not together.

She laughs with abandon.

She makes me laugh the same all the time.

He went on to highlight how she sees beauty everywhere and in everyone and spoke of her kindness and gratitude.

She thinks everyone, even when she's suffering, she's kind.

She's deeply compassionate and can't hurt anyone, but she can be a rascal.

She loves to tease.

Okay, I'm going to stop reading this because now he's going to talk about the softest lips that she has.

But to me, like the headlines, I don't think I process this, even though I'm sure someone like will find our episode from December 2021 and be like, you guys talk about this.

It didn't didn't stick that these two are dating and that is super cute.

It's so cute.

I feel like they're so private and they're so real.

I think their relationship is like really deep.

I ship so hard, even though for me, like the best time

of Justin Long's life,

I think, was when he dated Drew Barrymore.

And he did recently go on the Drew Barrymore show to promote something.

And it's clear that they are like really good friends and have like a lot of respect for each other.

And they had a conversation about their relationship and it was like in this really mature, healthy way.

And she actually was like crying.

She's like, I just want to let you know, like, it was one of the best relationships.

Like, you were so good to me.

And I feel so good about our time together.

And so it really made me like love Justin Long even more.

Like, I knew he was a P John just from like his movies, but like, he's an actor.

So what the fuck do I know?

But Drew Barrymore, who I feel like is a PJO, like really putting her P JOM stamp of approval on him after all these years.

It was really, it was beautiful to see.

It was very mature.

That is really sweet.

And I always think of Kate Bosworth and Orlando Bloom, like to me,

they're,

you know, if it wasn't for Katie Perry and the fact that like they're still together, they have a kid and like they're so happy,

I would still be shipping.

So I'm glad that like they're just running in this like PJOM circle of like committed relationships with famous people.

Yeah, no, it's true.

And I was pleasantly surprised.

I feel like they never even acknowledge each other publicly.

They're so private.

This was really sweet.

And I feel like it was such a,

he's, you know, he's older.

He's wise.

like it was a really well written very um very sweet tribute and i feel like that should be the bar for all of us like if your man is writing like hbd katie and justin long is doing this like take a look inward take a look except is it your 40th birthday right no that's true for like

33 hbd yeah it's like a huge milestone that's true yeah for the big ones And she looks so cute in all the pictures and it's clear they have this like beautiful life together that we like know nothing about.

I need to go see what Zach wrote me for my 30th.

Oh, so true.

Oh my gosh.

Let me go see.

Did he even post?

I definitely told him he didn't need to because he didn't need to, but now I'm like, maybe he should have.

I actually like get embarrassed when Ben does like really long, lengthy captions.

And post for myself.

He definitely asked me if he needed to, and I was like, please don't.

Yeah, I

always does.

Plus, his whole grid is pictures of me and him, like Mother's Day, anniversary, birthday, like the whole thing.

i get like embarrassed like it's nice but i feel like very like i don't know it feels really private you know yeah yeah and i'm a person who shares everything so like i don't know some things can be kept between so i'm gonna walk that statement back they don't have to pen you something like this on instagram but a nice card occurred for sure

and they should say those things to you i feel like a lot of people

A lot of the times, like in really public relationships, like people will post like the most amazing tributes about their partner.

And then like months later, they break up and you're like, how?

And it's because like you're saying those things to the world to like get validation, but you don't actually ever say them to your partner.

It's so true.

Like sometimes people will write like the nicest things and I'm like, wow, that's really beautiful.

And then they break up and I'm like, but what about?

And that's why I think like people get so invested in online relationships because those relationships thrive off of that type of content, like sharing deep personal moments and deep feelings.

And you find yourself doing it for the likes and not ever actually like investing in the relationship.

And like experiencing those moments and feelings yourself.

Like it's just like straight to the gram.

It's like not, it's not a lived experience anymore.

It's just content.

Yeah.

So like that happens all the time.

Like these couples who you're just like, there's in your mind, they're perfect because that's how they make it seem.

And then literally a month later, they're broken up and you're like, what?

Well, so given this caption, like they can never break up.

Yeah, agreed.

No pressure, but you can never break up.

Yeah.

Otherwise, like, it's phony baloney.

Agreed.

But I don't think it is.

Me neither.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

A little movie news, a little movie casting news.

Joaquin Phoenix will be playing Napoleon Bonaparte.

Plus, and he is being,

you know, his usual Joaquin self.

Napoleon got rewritten due to Joaquin Phoenix's constant questioning, says producer Ridley Scott.

He said,

Napoleon, not Joaquin Phoenix, literally rewriting history.

Rewriting Napoleon.

Well, who knows what the movie was?

He said it all grew bigger and better due to Joaquin's questions and edits.

When working with Joaquin Phoenix, prepare yourself for rewrites, Ridley Scott revealed to Empire Magazine that casting Joaquin as Napoleon Bonaparte for his upcoming historical epic, Napoleon, resulted in the script being entirely rewritten to make the actor more comfortable.

Phoenix, reuniting with Ridley after Gladiator, stars in Napoleon opposite Vanessa Kirby and Tahar Rahim.

So Vanessa Kirby is going to be playing Josephine.

i didn't know exactly who that was but then i googled her and she played princess anne in the first season of the crown oh no princess yeah princess margaret margaret sister yeah yeah yeah she was great yeah she was great so that um made me feel positive ridley so obviously you're gonna see this obviously i'm gonna see this i feel like there's not a lot of

Napoleon content out there, especially there's no like big Napoleon movie that comes to mind.

I think Joaquin is an inch.

I don't know who I would cast.

I would probably just assume like someone shortish, but short.

Yeah.

I think Joaquin's cool.

I'm interested to see this.

Joaquin is a real artist.

Like he's in this for the art.

I don't think there's really anything he's put out that hasn't been critically acclaimed.

He brings a level of skill and excellence to everything he does.

So I think we can expect great work from Joaquin.

Like, I don't think

he's been

living in a 17th century castle for the last year without plumbing and without electricity, trying to get into the mind of Napoleon.

They should have had Austin Butler do it.

Totally.

Yeah.

What does Austin Butler do next?

Oh, let's go to his IMDb pre-production.

Like

Grand Fair.

And it's almost...

It's almost like people associate him so much with Elvis to the point where I feel like it could potentially be like a little detrimental to his career.

It could be, but you know, if all else fails, he could be an Elvis impersonator, just like how Adam Lambert became Freddie Mercury.

Yeah.

That's actually a really good comparison.

Yeah, I don't think that's what he wants to do, but if he hits 40 and he hasn't booked another role, like just do it.

That's so true.

Upcoming three.

Oh, he's going to be in Dune Part 2.

Dune was a really good movie.

Masters of the Air, which is a TV miniseries.

Miniseries is always good.

This is good.

And the Bike Riders.

Sounds like that bunch of kids.

It's in post-production.

It follows the rise of a Midwestern motorcycle club through the lives of its members.

All right, good.

He's working.

Good.

I just, when you get like such

crazy, and I guess we still have Oscar season upon us.

So like the Elvis fanfare isn't even over yet.

Yeah.

Tom Hardy's in that one.

Michael Shannon, Jody Comer, Norman Ritas.

That looks like it will be good.

I think he is good.

It is so awesome.

So awesome.

Masters.

us.

Not us what?

Just like knowing everything about Hollywood productions.

Literally, we know everything about what's going on in Hollywood.

Okay, this masters of the air.

I don't know a lot of the people, but it sounds like a, like a good premise.

It's very,

I'm happy for him.

I've got, I'm a champion.

I'm a champion of his work, even though like I am still saddened by the Vanessa Hudgens of it all.

Like I really am.

Like I personally

stayed there.

That's where I am.

And just kind of like the word on the street is that he's a social climber, but

you've got to be in that industry, but you also need to conceal it better.

Yeah,

where did you hear that?

Um, like there was that rumor that like he

like was friends with Ashley Tisdale, like all that stuff, and then he like wasn't.

And I don't know, that was just the vibe I got that he was like jumping around in the friend group, like based on like who was a big star.

He's not that close with Ashley anymore because like she's probably not a-list enough for him.

That's just the vibe I've gotten from something that I saw.

And I mean, so it's 100% true.

Right.

He's dating, like, very A-list.

I mean, if you wanted to social climb, I think the Gerber family is a great place to start.

Randy, Cindy, Kaya, like, I mean, Hollywood is a town full of social climbers for sure.

So it's just really networking and doing your job.

But you can have that be your image.

Yeah.

So speaking of feminism, I find it really interesting.

Like if a man is a social climber, like you're disgusting.

If a woman is a social climber, I think of it more as networking.

Like if she's dating like above her

class and like using her dating to

get bigger jobs.

Like I love a woman in business.

I love a woman in business.

I love people reaching their goals, but I think the idea of social climbing, which is more so like using people to get to where you want to be, I think it's icky no matter the gender.

Yeah.

And when I hear someone is a social climber, I'm icked out automatically.

Yes, but I think people often confuse social climbing with like networking and just being thirsty, which isn't so bad.

No, and I mean, social climbing, I guess, at its core is very similar to networking, but it's not because networking, it's like, it's clear that this is business and like I'm just, you know,

making connections.

Social climbing has an air of usury to it.

Yes.

And people aren't objects that can just be stepped on

on your way to the top.

Agreed, because you'll see them on your way back down and no one's going to feel bad for you.

No.

And that's not why you do it, because they won't feel bad for you if you come back down.

No, do it

because you treat people with respect.

Agreed.

And those were the fast eyes stories.

I feel as though you needed to know them.

Yeah, no, those were good ones.

Thanks, Shax, for filling us in.

Yeah, welcome.

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Dear Trex of Claude, first and foremost, I absolutely love and adore you both.

The bullet I would take for you too.

I mean, it's crazy.

I love you, girl.

I'll try to keep this short.

My boyfriend and I have been dating for almost three years.

He's a gem.

However, he's always had this insanely weird and strange bond with his mom and his sister.

Like he will comment beautiful and gorgeous with fire flames and heart eyes on his sister's pictures.

He'll FaceTime her often and he has a group text with the three of them, just his mom, him, and his sister.

Is it weird that I get annoyed when reading comments like that?

I feel so insignificant because he will say the same exact things to me.

I've brought it up before and it went south.

Am I crazy to be fucking annoyed when I see these things?

Please help.

I'm desperate for answers and advice.

Sincerely, a confused wenchy toaster.

Okay, if you asked me this a year ago, I would be totally on your team.

I would say it's so weird.

But now as a mama, like Harry better be leaving gorgeous comments on my Instagram, Fireflames, having a chat with me and any other siblings he might have where we just are so close.

Like, I think it's so cute.

I think like him having a good relationship with the women in his life is

ultimately a positive sign for you.

And I would say, like, if he was treating them like better than he treated you, that that would really bother me.

But like, he's treating you the same way that he treats the women that he loves most in his life, like that he comments on your stuff too.

Like he's just sharing the love with the women that he loves.

Sure, like fire emoji on your mom's Instagram is a little weird from the sun, but if Harry left a fire emoji on my Instagram, I'd be like, thanks.

No, I get what you're saying, but I think at its core, that's her problem.

It's like, she doesn't want to feel equal.

She wants to feel special.

And so she's a girlfriend.

If she was a wife, if she was a wife, she could feel more than, but you're the girlfriend.

And he's not going to throw away the women who have cared for him his entire life for the girlfriend.

You're sounding like a, kind kind of like a toxic mom.

Love it.

Toxic boy mom.

I'm a toxic boy mom.

No, like, first of all, she's not a wife, so you don't.

Until you are a wife, like you're,

you don't rise in the ranks.

Yes.

I mean, you have been dating for years.

Hopefully, the question, like, now you guys should be talking about, like, the future and, um,

you know, but you don't just automatically get that placement when like these women have nurtured him and made him the man that he is.

That doesn't happen overnight.

You're so funny.

Like you're, because I feel like before you were a mom, you would have like totally been like, this is I wouldn't say this is gross.

100%.

I'd say run.

But now I'm saying like this bodes well for you in the long run.

Yeah, no, I hear your frustrations with like the same exact wording, like writing beautiful on your post and then also on his sister.

Like I understand, like get a little bit more creative.

Like everyone wants to feel special, whether you're a girlfriend, a fiancé, or a wife.

So I hear your frustrations.

I don't know if it's enough to like make a statement because then like you actually might look crazy.

But I think Jackie's right.

Like I think if anything, this is more motivation for you guys to get to the next level in your relationship.

And once you're a wife and like the mother of his kids, like you can make demands.

You can.

Yes.

You can make demands once you're a wife.

And if you are still feeling like you're not being treated any better than his sister, like that's when you can say something.

But what he's not going to toss aside.

No, by the way, I also think there's a difference in like how he treats you and his sister versus you and his mom.

Like his mom should be like, you know, his queen.

You should respect your parents as queen.

But I don't disagree that like the sister, all right, step aside.

Yeah, because then you start to think about like the brothers and sisters who are like

weirdly close.

We're weird, period.

Yeah.

No, I agree with a lot of your frustrations when it comes to the sister, actually, now that I think about it.

But a man who respects his mom, even if it might be like inconvenient to you, is signs that he was like raised well.

He respects women and he respects his parents, which is literally a biblical

principle.

Commandment.

Yes.

Also, I would say it sounds like a lot of your concerns are like about his social media behavior and like boys are just fucking weird on social media, period.

It doesn't matter.

If some of this weirdness like translated to real life or like he was doing things in real life that were bothering you, I would be more wary.

But like he has, he wants to let everyone know they're beautiful on Instagram.

Like boys are just fucking weird on Instagram.

So don't let that be the only reason why.

That's true.

A lot of your complaints are digital and the digital space is irrelevant when it comes to like a man.

Yeah, they don't know what they're doing.

They don't know what things mean.

They don't know this subminal messaging.

And you don't want them to know because if they're too plugged into Instagram culture, it's like, get a life, bro.

I completely agree.

So the fact that he's like a little Instagram illiterate is actually really cute.

It's cute.

I agree.

I think we gave great advice.

Agreed.

Hey, Jackson Claude.

I'm a toaster from Sydney.

And firstly, thank you for getting me through the last couple of years of becoming a new parent.

Mazeltov.

To give some context, oh, oh my god, sorry, I dropped my curds.

Not the curds.

Okay, to give some context, my in-laws are close friends with another couple.

Let's call them Charles and Camilla.

They often,

often, they babysit my two-year-old daughter when they go visit my parents.

Wait, sorry, no.

To give some context, my in-laws are close friends with another couple called Charles and Camilla.

And they often, and often when they babysit my two-year-old daughter, they will go visit this couple, having them over at their house or being in social settings with them.

Okay, so her in-laws will babysit her daughter, and often their friends, Charles and Camilla, will come over.

So they know the kid, basically.

At a meal over Christmas, my in-laws very casually mention that Charles has a photo of my daughter as his phone wallpaper screen and how sweet it is.

As I thought about it more, I felt like this was a little odd and not entirely necessary.

When I mentioned my concern to my husband, he said I was overthinking it, and it's just that they love kids and that there were no bad intentions behind it.

I'm not suggesting that there were necessarily bad intention.

It just strikes me as weird.

So I'm keen to get some insight and some objective, smart and talented girls, what you guys would do.

Should I mention to my in-laws that it makes me incredibly uncomfortable and even ask if you could change it?

Or am I reading too much into it and I just need to let it go?

Okay.

It's weird.

It's weird.

You got to trust your gut.

And on the one, I'm not going to try and theorize whether this man is a pedophile.

Like, because maybe

if he was, he wouldn't be like so obvious about it with the kid on his home screen.

He would be like a little more, you know, trying to cover his tracks.

So maybe it's actually a sign that things are totally fine that he would think that's more actually.

But again, like, I'm not a detective.

I'm not trying to suss out if this man is a pedophile.

But you need to trust your gut.

And now what I would do, and even though this is incredibly inconvenient for you in your life, you can't say something.

You can't like say, I want him to change his background.

You can't even make it a thing because the parents are going to tell Charles and Camilla.

And then like everybody's going to have this like weird, like, is, yeah, you thought Charles was a pedophile vibe.

You can't leave the kid with the parents anymore.

Sorry.

You need to take the kid with you now when you're going or find other childcare.

I completely agree.

Like, maternal instinct is real.

Even if you are overreacting, great.

You should only be an overreactor.

Like, that there's nothing to worry about.

It's a little fucking weird.

And I agree.

Like, maybe like a traditional creep wouldn't make it as background, but I feel like the older you get, like, you don't give a fuck, you know?

Yeah.

I don't know.

I'm not trying.

I can't.

you know, to play, like psychoanalyze this guy.

I would say trust your gut and then just don't put your kid in that situation, even if it does become incredibly inconvenient for you.

Perhaps I would also suggest learning more about Charles.

Like, does he have kids?

Like, does he long for kids?

Did he always want kids?

Did he lose a child?

Like, I feel like this is definitely odd behavior, and maybe there's a perfectly good reason for it.

Yeah.

Find out about Charles, but in the meantime, like, your priority is your kid, and I don't think you're being crazy.

Did she say where she was going when she was leaving the kid with?

No.

Just what she was going.

They'll just babysit.

Babysit for a weekend or babysit for a night?

Just babysit.

That's all she wrote.

Okay, because maybe if it's like a night, you could have the in-laws come to your house and maybe there's no Charles and Camilla

around.

Yeah.

But you have to like, you have to stealthfully take the kid out of that situation and you can't tell anyone what you're doing.

Without making a scene.

I completely agree.

And it's incredibly inconvenient.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Like, back out quietly in the night through the back door.

No one can accuse you.

Why aren't, oh, oh, you know, now that he's bigger, like, we're taking him, you know?

Yeah.

Gaslight the hell out of him.

Agreed.

Amazing advice, Jackie.

Our third and final is the baby name stealer.

Hello, Jackson Claude.

Missed hearing you ladies after the hiatus, but as the hardworking women in podcasting, you both deserve some R ⁇ R.

Thank you.

We have a baby name stealer on our hands.

For the first two years, my sister-in-law on my husband's side and I have been in various stages of pregnancy, so we often shared what we would name our children.

Even before our current children, we went through our preferred names to make sure there was no crossover.

She just had her second, and after nine months of telling everyone that she was going to name it Casey or Jamie, she goes and names the child Rip.

So I don't know if this girl is just like cosplaying Yellowstone.

Okay, okay.

She probably is.

Even when I was pregnant with my son now, my husband and I were very vocal about naming our next son, if we have one, Rip.

I even went as far as to tell my sister while she was pregnant not to name her son Rip because that was the name we would be using.

As recently as Christmas Eve, four days before she popped him out, my husband and I made a comment to them that we were naming our next son Rip.

It has special meaning for me and my husband and these name stealers didn't even give it a second thought when they surprised us all with the switcheroo.

While they had options, this was the only name on our list.

My question, do I have my husband say something to his brother or at least his mother who also very much knew and did not guide them away from the name?

Despite us not being able to do anything about the name now, I'm also all about airing grievances and my husband is not.

He'd rather just put a mark next to their name saying, I'll remember this.

This couple has no scruples, and this is not their first offense against us.

They also chose to announce this pregnancy to the family a day after she peed on a stick, and my baby was just born and admitted to the NICU.

Saying something to them won't solve anything name-wise, but should they not be alerted of their complete lack of consideration?

Love a fed-up toaster.

Her question is to say or not to say, because at this point, it's too late.

No, well, the lesson here is literally stay far away from this girl.

She's not to be trusted.

Do not tell her any names because you're putting ideas in her head in the future.

Like this is not a girl you can trust.

So I know you probably thought you were getting ahead of it, but if you had never even said the name Rip in her presence, it wouldn't have crossed her mind.

I honestly don't know what to tell you.

Nothing's going to change the situation.

And like assuming that you guys aren't Jewish, like why can't you also name your baby Rip?

You should say, I just want to let you know, I know you know this is my name and I know you stole it because you live without consequences, but I have not been deterred.

I still will be naming my son Rip.

So I'm just giving you a a chance.

You know, your baby was just born.

Feel free to change it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like that plan.

To be honest, I don't, I don't know what to tell.

Like, I'm really stumped.

I don't know how long it's been since she had the baby.

Like, is it even an option to change?

I guess, like, Kylie still hasn't changed her kids' name.

So anyone can do it.

Wait, she said the baby was born.

She didn't say.

It was like.

Yes, as recently as Christmas Eve, which is four days before she gave birth.

Okay.

So literally, the baby's a week old.

Okay, but they left the hospital already, so she would have to do it.

Sure.

But but i think i actually i've never been more excited about advice we've given but is is our toaster pregnant with a boy like what if

no she she gave birth to a son and then told everyone that their next son was going to be named rick got it but like what if she only has girls you know right it's hard to claim a name like

if you don't

without you know so i don't i seriously i don't know what to tell you i support any decision any route that you choose to go i personally am more akin to her husband.

Like, we're going to leave a mark next to your name.

Me too.

And it's just like lesson learned.

I've got a list of names and yours is in red underline.

That's how I love myself.

Ben is always pushing me to like confront people when, and I'm like, no, you know what?

Not everything needs to be a conversation, but I remember.

But you do.

The problem is.

Remember.

Totally.

But no, like I remember the feeling.

Yeah.

No,

hopefully what I would say is I would, I would remember.

I would put enough distance between us and them that by the time you have a son, you can name him Rip.

And it's like, oh, I don't know another Rip.

We don't hang out with them.

No, I actually think the lesson you've learned here is so valuable because while it's a big deal, it's not in the grand scheme of the world, it's not the biggest deal.

And things, you know, you could have shared something with her even more meaningful to you and have her betray your trust.

So you just learned a valuable lesson.

And if you don't.

internalize that lesson, like whatever happens next is on you.

Like you cannot trust this girl.

Do not trust her.

She is a fuggly slut.

Agreed.

Like stay far away from her.

And also like, I do think you could say like, I know you know this was my name.

Like don't be dumb.

And just letting you know, like, if I'm blessed with another son, like you have not deterred me.

Yeah.

So I'm just letting you know, like, we will have two rips in the family.

Do with that information what you will.

Yeah.

I do think you should tell her, actually, like, I'm really feeling passionate.

It's so hard.

You're in an impossible situation.

Also, it's like she's my mama.

She just gave birth.

You're going to come for her.

I I know.

She's still human.

I know.

I don't think that you say it in like a confrontational way.

I think you say like, I

love the name.

I know, you know, that was my name.

And while you may have it, like, if I have another son, like, no, and not coming at it in an angry place.

I'm just letting, like, heads up.

Like, I am still potentially using the name.

Okay, but put yourself in the other girl's shoes for a second.

Like, you just.

gave birth a week ago.

And I'm, and I'm a baby name stealer.

Yeah.

But you don't believe yourself to be because you're like delusional because you're like a wench.

You don't believe that you're a baby name stealer because like obviously then you wouldn't have done it if you thought that's who you were, you know?

And you're like, this wenchy sister-in-law is coming for me like seven days after I've given birth.

Like, has she no scruples?

No, that's true.

Yeah, because then you become the villain.

I think you need to let time don't come for her in this PP era.

Yeah.

It's a protected space.

Yeah, I agree.

You're an impossible situation.

I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, but I know what to tell you.

Or come up with reasons why you hate the name.

Yes.

Let's just move on from the name.

No, maybe like the reason that you hate the name is because it reminds you of this cunt.

Maybe that's a good enough reason.

Yeah.

Like you don't even want it now.

It's attached to that wench.

Yeah.

I think we should move on from the name.

Like we need to like, you don't want to have, and also you don't want your son, your future son to be like a spite name baby.

Like we just need to

break free you have to let go

you have to okay so we're letting go we're never trusting this bitch again like to you she's literally an acquaintance at best

and

we're putting a mark next to her name just like your husband said your husband's got the answers and take sorry if i'm not you have a husband with the answers no but he's probably just doing that because it's like his family like if it was her family i'm sure he'd have no problem

Yeah, right.

Like he just wants to protect the peace within his family, which I understand too.

But sometimes you have to fucking stand up for yourself.

But not while someone's in the postpartum.

Agreed.

Agreed.

So we're letting it go, and we're never trusting this bitch again.

Yeah.

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