Jobbing Our Love: Wednesday, October 15th, 2025

Good morning, girlies.

It's the toast.

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know.

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Welcome back to the turst.

Happy worst.

Hey, jerst.

Hey, a nurse.

Happy worst worst day.

Yeah, even though it's so not.

I know.

What is the worst day?

Have we ever decided Monday?

Of course, it's Monday.

Yeah, it is.

But Jackie, when you love your job and you job your love, every day is the birthday.

Oh,

it's a birthday.

When you get to work with your beautiful sister, every day is the birthday.

Every day is birthday.

Monday, Tuesday, jersey.

How are you doing, Pregylicious?

I'm good.

Thank you.

Just like posted up.

I'm in a comfy position.

Like, I don't think I'm going to move for the whole show.

Yeah.

But then, like, being in a comfy position is a blessing and a curse because you don't move.

And then when you have to move, it's like

you're like an ice sculpture.

Like, it's just, you literally cannot, you're frozen.

Yeah.

And Bruto's not here.

He does take up half the chair, which is really crazy.

Just like he takes up half the bed.

He's such a crazy individual, that Bruto.

He's getting self-indulged.

He's getting groomed right now.

So tomorrow he'll be back looking handsome, bringing his best to the show.

Um, but he did take a personal day for self-care.

Speaking of Bruto, I have just like a small personal update.

Okay, it was scary like when you phrase it that way.

Yes, because you never know what Kochi's doing.

I kind of miss Romeo, like me and men were looking at pictures of him last night.

That's how you know I'm hating LA.

Like, I really miss my dog.

Oh, so today we hate LA.

Yeah, it's just like

yesterday we were tolerating it.

Yeah.

I just hate to be so negative.

You know, I feel like when you, and I actually really believe that, even though like my joke is that like I'm a negative queen, I feel like when you have like a negative mindset, it really affects your reality.

Like you see in the world what is in your mind.

Like you're what?

Now you're talking like a true podcaster.

No, I know job your love.

Love your gay.

LA has gotten to her.

The dear media officers have gotten to her.

See, I felt this way like when I was postpartum too, because it's so easy to like slip into being negative.

I'm tired of time.

But then you like start to see the world through like your hater-hater hater eyes and i really generally try to be like a positive person even though like i joke all the time that i'm so negative um and you know i live to complain but i once i slip into like hating something i can't get out like so i have to like rise above i'd stay above water and i'm i'm slipping you know what you should do i don't know what your plans are today but you should go to the ocean

I should go to the ocean.

You love the ocean.

You're obviously a water sign.

Loki, so am I, but let's, that's inconvenient.

That's an inconvenient truth because I'm not.

And that's what Al Gore was talking about when he made that movie, Jackie O being a water sign.

That's inconvenient.

Though not really liking swimming.

Not really liking.

You're the pool.

How many times have you been in your own pool?

Twice?

A couple times, but I'm always like pregnant.

And, you know, I don't like to swim when I'm pregnant.

So I can't.

Another inconvenient truth.

Another inconvenient truth.

But no, I think that you should head to the Pacific.

What about a little Nobu Malibu?

I think you need to like touch sand.

And I think that's...

I think I need to touch sand.

Right?

I think that's like one of the great assets of California.

Like it is the Pacific and the weather and just like the sun in your hair.

I think you need to rent a convertible and drive down the PCH.

Like I think that's what you need.

I feel like you're too much in Tinsel Town and you need to get to like

Tinsel Burb.

Tinsel adjacent.

Tinsel Coast.

Tinselville.

So do with that amazing advice what you will.

That's really good advice.

I need to pack a bathing suit.

Oh my gosh, that's so not Koji.

So not water sign of me.

But I did pack two for Ruby.

Looks like you're skinny dipping.

It'll be a treat for my fellow beachgoers down in the boo.

You should really rent a convertible and drive down the highway.

Like, Ruby will love it.

Yeah.

100%.

I wonder what age kids can go in a convertible.

Like you can't put a car seat in a convertible.

Well, you could, but that's crazy.

That's crazy.

My baby would be be fine.

Oh, well, yeah, because he loves Hollywood and he's so taken with his town and he never wants to go home.

Plot twist.

No, he is literally his father.

Loving it, living it up.

That is hysterical.

And Ben is even more like crazy than ever.

Actually, I...

Jackie is going to eventually go on maternity leave, but I did want to do an episode.

I told Jackie today.

I'm like, if you're feeling like tired, Ben is dying to get on the podcast.

And I'm dying to get him on the podcast to like really, we're having two completely different experiences here.

Oh, that is hysterical.

Okay, yeah, maybe tomorrow, you know, no can do.

Yeah, if you've just feeling like a little tired.

Or feel like a little out of pocket.

I know someone who's got the itch for fame.

Ben is literally 50 feet from stardom.

That is really hysterical.

One of my favorite tropes about Lish.

Yeah, me too.

Have any opportunities like come his way since he's been in Los Angeles?

Well, just like the good guys is thriving, right?

Right.

Ben was actually telling me, I won't spoil it,

which means that it's time to go home.

Correct.

Once the good guys are doing better than us, like we're being delayed.

Once the good guys are doing better than us, it's time for us to go home.

Yeah.

Or maybe that's why I feel so unbalanced.

Yeah.

It's like,

maybe I'm not the most successful podcaster in my house.

Don't even say that, Claudia.

I know.

They did score a huge interview yesterday.

Ben was telling me all about it.

I forgot to tell you, incredibly juicy.

Oh, let's play guess who, but I know you won't ultimately tell me.

No, no, I think Ben might have posted who it was on his Instagram.

Let me just triple check before I blow up their spot.

Man or woman?

Man.

Mustache?

I feel like it just depends on the day.

Okay, TV or film?

No, I would say no mustache.

TV.

John Samos?

Oh, yeah.

Josh posted it.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And he came with some hyping hot tea.

Regarding whomst?

Again, I don't know if I can or should spoil it, but regarding one of his famous friends

who's going through something right now

something that we knew like that we know about yeah i would just have to like wrap my brain of like the full house peeling the curtain back okay

and that's all i'll say okay that's a really good teaser like free promo for the good guys cool once again why how do we always get here we're like we're doomed like do they talk about us never

just we talk about them we're intent on destroying them while also lifting them up i know but that's what it means to be a hater though like you're actually a fan

Us and the good guys.

Like the more we talk about them,

the more shine we give them, like the more air and oxygen, and they just thrive.

That's like a hater.

Live for it.

I understand my haters more than ever.

Thank you to my haters.

Today is Wednesday, which normally would mean a bussing down Dancing with the Stars recap.

But let me tell you another thing I'm hating about L.A.

We watch it late.

So it airs, they tape it at 5 p.m.

Pacific time here.

Okay.

It airs for you at 8, but then it airs for us three hours later.

So

no thanks.

But I found out, yeah.

So first of all, 8 o'clock for me.

I was literally asleep by 8 for the 3.

Oh, I was wondering why, like, you weren't live watching, but I guess even if you were like ready to watch Dancing with the Stars when I was, you don't get it.

I'm good at it unless what, I'm going to download a VPN.

Like, I don't know.

I guess you have to do that.

You're going to have to go to a taping.

And then I got a spoiler that, like, nobody got sent home.

Spoiler alert.

So I'm sorry.

I was like, okay, I'm not staying up late to watch nobody go home.

I'll watch the dances on TikTok.

Well, we're gonna recap it in the fifth and final story.

I'm gonna let you know what you missed.

It was kind of a cluster fuck.

I don't know if that makes me like Scrooge that I wasn't so emotionally

affected.

There were some dances and like some tributes that were really beautiful, but like every time there were three people dancing on the screen, like it felt weird.

Yeah, because dancing is very much like a two-person thing.

Like, and every single, there was all these different combos, like Elaine and Chessie and Alan.

So it was like two girls and a guy, and it was fucking weird.

Then there was Whitney and her husband and Mark.

Fucking weird.

Like every way that you slice it.

I am loving like everybody's emotional tributes.

I watched Jen Afflecks.

Like everybody's made like a montage for their TikTok.

I was sobbing watching Jen Affleck talk about how she just like needs her mom so much in the videos of her like giving birth while her mom was giving her like a hug.

So cute.

And Whitney also like making all these emo things for

what's his name?

Connor.

And Alex Earl and her little sister.

Those are the three that I was deeply moved by.

The little sis was adorable and one of the better ways to do the tribute.

Oh, I have to let you know what they did with Mr.

Feeny.

Oh, they wheeled him onto the ballroom floor?

In a sense.

But you'll have to wait till our fifth and final story.

Oh, okay.

What things Mr.

Feeney did?

You'll have to wait and see.

You're so Julianne Huff.

Let's get your scores.

after the break let's get your scores dancers i love your scores dancers and your favorite girly was a guest judge who kim hurjevic

hmm kim herjevic

very interesting how do i feel i haven't thought about kim herjevic in a while so let me just recalibrate because the last time i heard kim herjevic i wasn't obsessed with the fact that robert hurjevic left his wife of like a hundred years to marry his dance partner but now they have like twins and they had a baby so like i think think I have to move on, right?

It's like, yeah, she was looking very beautiful and giving like really nice commentary.

Okay.

It was reminding me.

Is it a story about TJ and Amy getting engaged?

We don't have to make it a story, but now that they're engaged, like, I think we all have to move on from how they got.

The thing is,

I don't know why it never really bothered me like what they had done.

And like, I'm glad that they got engaged and they're thriving.

And like, good, keep going.

That's what you have to do.

You have no other choice.

But like, I can't remember what the circumstances were that led me to not really feel so negative about their situation.

Because

they had both got huge professional ramifications for something that happened in their personal life.

And I remember when we were talking about it, we were just like, okay, well, it's terrible that they both like cheated on their partners.

But what does that have to do with GMA's third hour?

Yeah.

And now GMA's like every third hour.

It's a big news story.

And I was like, okay,

but again, like these people being just ethically

wrong.

How is that relevant here?

Yeah, it just, it, yeah.

I don't know.

I think that's why we ended up being like kind of soft on them.

For sure.

And I feel good about that.

Like, they're super happy.

And

now their partners are together.

My favorite trope.

The Shania Twain effect.

My favorite trope.

That's a good trope.

I love your trope, scorned lovers.

Yeah, it's like, okay, so it's like enemies to lovers.

What is this one called?

Like scorned.

Scorned lovers.

I like it.

Or wife swap.

Tessa Bailey, get on it.

Did you see?

Oh, by the way, are we talking about Wendy Ocepho today?

No.

Okay, because like

the stories are really random.

Like.

Well, it's fine because I had said a couple of days ago, like I was just waiting for like a Bravo account to break it all down for me.

And there have been several.

I am fully caught up on what Wendy Ocepho did.

And it's really bad and really stupid.

Like I feel like Wendy, she was like, she was, she's a good housewife, but I think her thing is like that she's smart, right?

She has a lot of degrees.

Her and her husband combined have like six or seven degrees between them.

She's always just sort of like some women stunt like their wealth, their fashion.

She stunts her education and her smart.

She's a doctor.

Right.

She goes on TV.

She's just like, kind of takes like

an intellectual high ground.

For sure.

And for her to have been so stupid, oh, and by the way, her husband's a fucking lawyer.

Oh my God.

Like, I could have committed a better crime.

They left so much evidence in writing via email, be like, hey, when we put this fraud together, should we take this ring and have it like literally just, they made it so easy for the police.

They basically went on vacation and claimed that they were robbed.

And what was missing from the house was items they had returned to stores years ago, items that they actually still had in possession.

And then Wendy would go out like a week later wearing the items that she claimed were stolen and documenting it all on social media.

Like, seriously, the least stuff.

And on the show, she was wearing stuff on the show that she said was stolen.

Upwards of like $400,000.

That's what they claimed that insurance gave them.

Oh, and they had multiple claims out to like different insurance companies, not saying that, like, you know, the other one filled the claim.

So it's insurance fraud.

And it's really serious, actually.

So it's really bad.

There's so much evidence.

I saw a clip of her on a podcast talking about the robbery.

The kiddos.

Yeah.

Was that like a red flag for everyone?

Because when I saw it, I haven't seen like other people talk about that clip.

And the thing is, it's so unfortunate because I i would never watch a clip like that at the time and be like this person's lying right and i don't want to ever be that sort of person that like hears someone tell a really traumatic story and question their story right um but now watching this

surfacing of an interview she did on like a bravo podcast right after the robbery and they're talking about housewives and then the host is just like and by the way like this robbery like are you okay what happened and she was like yeah i mean you know we weren't there we were on vacation with the kiddos and the way she said kiddos it's like, you're lying.

You're lying.

Nobody thought it at the time, but like, now it's an extremely sinister place.

1,000%.

The way she said kiddos when talking about kiddos

was so

weird.

And the whole, the whole thing was so weird.

But now I could say it is like, oh, I could see you're lying.

I would have never

known.

I would have never known.

I would have been like, that is so sad.

That is so

upsetting.

Yeah.

But you know what?

I'm a believer.

and I like that about me.

I agree.

Don't change that about yourself.

Like I just to become someone who just like

doubts and like doubt is cynical.

And whenever someone like, especially with robberies, weirdly, there's always someone like, they're lying.

I'm like, you're the worst person.

It's so true.

And I, and that's why I feel like, you know, all roads do lead back to Jesse Smollett.

Oh, I.

Because nobody wanted to be the first person to be like, is he lying?

Because it was such a crazy thing.

And so that's why I think when everybody, I don't know who the first person to like cast out was, but everybody after that was like, yeah, you know what?

I was thinking the same thing.

I would never, especially because Wendy was just like, she was just an upstanding citizen, right?

Like that was like her thing.

Almost like morality police.

But I feel like that's always how it is.

You know, it's like the person, it's like the Ellen.

Yeah.

The person preaching kindness is like beating people up backstage.

No, it's that's really such a crazy story.

So it is

a crazy saga.

It's not just like a little blip.

I do feel like they might go to to jail.

And it's not just like $300.

No, it's upwards of $400,000 in items, like claiming that they were stolen and then getting insurance to reimburse for them.

But they were not stolen.

They were either like hidden under her mattress or returned to stores.

Like literally paper trail after paper trail.

Not smart.

Not smart.

From the doctor, Wendy Oseffa.

Right.

Yeah.

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Our first story in no order of importance, but I actually wanted to talk about this for two reasons.

One, Nicola and Brooklyn Pelts have grown apart from Selena Gomez.

As they say, relationships evolve.

But I also want to talk about the Victoria documentary because I'm pretty sure you watched.

I did.

So let's talk about this and then we'll talk about that because reports of a feud between Selena and Nicola and Brooklyn Peltz Beckham are untrue.

An insider tells people.

They said there's no bad blood.

Relationships evolve and it's true they're not as close as they once were, but there wasn't any one thing that happened.

The lie detector determined that that was a lie.

Yes, agreed.

You don't like go from having like the rupee vacations on yachts to not being invited to someone's wedding within a year.

And honestly, the lie detector has also determined that like Nicola and Brooklyn seem like the toxic ones because like everyone around them is now like beefing.

But Koji, that's what I think too, because I was going to say like who's the problem here, but like Selena doesn't talk to her kidney donor.

Yeah, her own kidney donor.

So in this particular situation, it's hard to know who's the toxic one.

Or maybe like a bunch of toxic people got together.

But yeah, the kidney donor, if we could take that out for one second, Selena does have like a lot of really long-term friends.

You know, you saw them in her documentary.

She's had like the same people around her for a really long time.

So I don't think, I think we could say a lot about Lena, but I don't think I would say she's like a bad friend and that she has like fleeting friendships.

Okay, Demi.

Okay, but those were like the Disney years.

We can't.

I know, and you could do that to anyone.

Like people like go through, like, like are close with someone one day and then not at another day.

But this is, this was very like hot and fast.

And I definitely think that it is

weird to at least like you could don't always have to be so close.

And sometimes you're with someone like for a season.

We're both liking the same things.

We're both traveling.

We like to do the same.

And that might peter out naturally.

Yep.

Priorities change.

But to not invite them to your wedding is weird.

Red flag.

So I'm glad that like someone's circling back on this because I feel like we had said like, let's see if they go to her wedding, but we didn't follow up with it.

Yeah.

Well, here is us following up.

They did not go.

And it was a big wedding.

Again, I think also a lot of times when celebrities get married, you can say like it was a really intimate.

No, it was like a big affair and they weren't there and they hate each other.

And it does beg the question like of now making me think

they're the problem.

Brooklyn and Nicholas.

I had thought that anyways, so this only like confirms it.

I did watch the Victoria documentary and it sucks because like I'm just comparing it to the David documentary and I feel like they put their whole family story in the David documentary.

So his was so much better, not because he has a more interesting life, but because their family life was documented.

That was the most interesting part.

I didn't give a shit about what happened to him in soccer.

Like it was him and the media and him and posh and him having babies.

And so, their wedding with the purple dresses.

Like, I learned about all that from his documentary, and they didn't want to repeat themselves, so they didn't.

And

while the story of her fashion business, like, was compelling.

Yeah, no, it wasn't in a fantastic documentary.

I enjoyed myself watching it.

I think she's really fascinating, and she's lovely to watch.

And all these like pop culture tidbits were really fun, but it left me with even more questions about Victoria.

Like, I understand they didn't want to talk about like Madrid again and the affair again, like these big things that happened to her that we saw through David's documentary.

But like, why didn't they talk about why the Spice girls broke up?

Like, why did they?

Right.

And also they didn't even say like Jerry left and then we kept doing it.

Like

it wasn't a documentary about Victoria's life because they jumped over these huge moments and even the fact that she has four children like and she was doing that like when she was a pop star and a wag and in the public eye and having a fashion brand and like they just sort of like threw that she was like oh I was breastfeeding harper and I did my collection like I was just like I want to know more about everything that you're just sort of glazing over and it really was just an advertisement for her brand and it was a beautiful one at that Yes, it was an advertisement for the brand, but I think it was also like trying to shift the narrative.

I don't know how like the fashion space, especially like in Europe, how they perceive her, but I don't think she gets taken seriously or as seriously as she wants to as like an official like house.

And so I think the documentary's goal was to just like prop her up in that industry and like make everybody see her how she wants to be seen.

And like, I personally don't care.

Like that's not what, it's just like the fact that she has a brand is like a fun fact about her.

It's not the whole thing.

But to me today, like her brand seems so legit and so serious.

Before the documentary, I actually felt like the documentary was made for like, you know, the commercial lay people like us to be like, oh, Victoria has this like 360 brand.

She has beauty.

She has perfume.

Like, oh, I might want to buy a shirt.

That's a nice thing.

I felt like it was actually meant for the common people because she has what she wants in the fashion industry, which is immense respect.

Like we were talking about how

Anna Wintor's in the documentary, she was, her name was thrown around, even if it was just by one person and me for editor-in-chief of Vogue.

Like she has reached that level.

Watching her journey and watching her start from being like, I guess this quote unquote, like tacky wag to then like refining her style.

I didn't even know that that's how people felt about her at the time because I was like 10.

That was really interesting to watch like what she's overcome watching how she put David in like millions of dollars of debt I had no idea about that either there were two moments of like real honesty and I really appreciated the transparency in her just like saying like even though it's their money but yes he was the one and him talking about how like when they met like she was the rich one she was the one who bought that house for them and she was the one who paid for the wedding and she was the one who did everything because he was this little soccer star and then of course things changed and she he's I think they said like 39 million dollars in debt for her fashion brand that was like very honest and I didn't expect them to be so open about the numbers And then also she was really honest about like her phase with like anorexia and how like it was just the only thing she could control and kind of like a stereotypical story of a woman in media and how she overcame that.

So I wasn't expecting her to address either of those things as head on as she did.

And so that was compelling.

But overall, I think the documentary fell flat for me, even though I enjoyed it immensely.

Like Yvolon Goria Slay.

Yeah.

And then keep cutting back to like this big fashion show in Paris.

It's just like really, and that seems really stressful, right?

Like

that you rented a castle on the outskirts of town and all these big people are coming and it won't stop raining and like the models and the mud.

Um

stressful.

Kim, there's people that are dying.

Like like you really couldn't go and it was just this whole big production.

Like I just don't, but that's just like, I'm not a fashion person.

I don't get the significance.

And from my perch, like I remember some of her more recent shows because she did start like her business back up again.

The one that like Kim went to, remember when Kim was like so late?

So I'm like, why do you have to make it so hard?

Why do you have to be in a castle outside like in elements that you can't control in a venue that's never hosted a fashion show before?

Like how much is this costing?

And I also appreciated how she was very honest about the fact that when she was like running her business into debt, like the expenses were insane because they didn't have to be.

They didn't have to lose all that money.

Yeah, but it was just they couldn't stop.

Like it was a snowball down the hill.

Also, not Tom Ford being in the documentary.

Like she really did have A plus, not a Spice Girl though.

She didn't want to get into that.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

I need to understand.

Like your whole life is theater.

Then you get the Spice Girls.

We didn't even, and she talked about the Spice Girls only positively.

Yep.

Then we broke up and I had an identity.

Why did you break up?

Like, I don't understand.

I still don't understand.

We were Spice Girls fans at the time.

Yeah, there were big holes in the documentary.

And I just feel like she came into it with like a clear goal.

I think they saw a lot of success from the David documentary, like all their businesses just sort of rising, their celebrity rising, everything.

And so I think she wanted to like target that

business.

But when they started talking about her beauty and then showing her Instagram stories, like of her being so real and honest about makeup, like it was giving infomercial.

Yeah.

It was an infomercial, which I will accept a degree of infomercial.

When I watch Kardashians, when I'm like, everyone's got business.

Like do your business.

But you, oh, you need to, it needs to be balanced.

And I'm not sure.

And some people don't have the other thing the the stuff with which to balance it They are all their business and you know everything else is either not interesting or just not happening for them She has such an interesting life and I just felt like they were keeping stuff from us.

I don't know why

Yeah, the best part was her making a tick tock with Harper and I don't even what's funny is like of course Nicola and Brooklyn were not in it.

They were not addressed.

Well, yes, they were

when

at the show They

She said, my kids are here

Brooklyn and Nicola and then they cut to like them just like standing and taking a photo.

They were at that friend's show?

Yes.

Oh, so I guess the beef hadn't even started by then.

Or they were just still like...

No, I think they were still good because I think everything went south with like the 50th birthday party.

Yes.

But David at the end was talking about how he's going to be turning 50.

So maybe things were still

good.

Or they were just like fine.

Yeah.

I think that's a mutually beneficial, like Nicola to be front row at Paris Fashion Week is very good for her.

For Victoria, having these two young hot things at her show, front front row.

Like, it's a mutually beneficial event.

I could see them both wanting to go.

But what I was going to say is, even if they were already beefing, it's not like I was looking for that from the documentary.

Like, you don't have to get our dirty grandma.

Of course, of course.

Like, I don't need to see dirty underwear.

Some things can be kept private.

But, like, why does Spice Girls break up?

And

then what happened?

You know?

Yeah.

So that's the latest with the Beckhams.

Our next story, a little TV news that I'm actually kind of obsessed with.

Taysha Adams and Tyler Cameron will judge HGTV's Bachelor Mansion renovation show

that will be a competition show for renovating the Bachelor Mansion.

And the competitors are former Bachelor contestants, and it's hosted by Jesse Palmer.

Oh.

Yeah.

And the contestants are out.

And so this is called Surprise Two.

Wait, so

how is Tayshia and Tyler involved?

They're the judges.

They're the judges.

Jesse is the host.

Yes.

Got it.

And then over six episodes, they will be joined by

surprise guest judges to judge the contestants' renovation skills on the iconic reality TV site.

So the guest judges will be.

And the contestants are.

Yes.

And we'll get into the contestants.

Okay.

We'll get into the contestants from all the shows.

Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor and Paradise.

Right, of course.

Golden Bachelor and Golden Bachelorette.

Okay.

And the guest judges will also be from those shows.

Okay.

While they renovate the Bachelor Mansion.

I don't know how like 12 people get a chance to renovate one place.

Maybe there's like challenges on different corners of the house.

I don't know.

That's it.

Like it's going to make for a really messy, disjointed house.

But also like the lore of the Bachelor Mansion is that it's always been owned by someone.

There's like a family who owns it and like makes lots of money.

They just rent it out.

But now with the renovations, I feel like the network had to have bought it.

How do you renovate a house that you're renting?

I don't know.

I hope at this point that they've bought it, but they've just bought it, right?

They said that like when they found out that the property needed a renovation that they, you know, just had to bring it to HGTV and Bachelor Nation.

Well, we have been really

like hard on the Bachelor franchise because in terms of like reality TV, they were the biggest and the baddest and they've so fallen behind all the streamers and they're so irrelevant in the real like mix of reality TV.

But it does feel like somebody like got poached from like Netflix or Hulu and now works at ABC and they're actually stepping their pussy up like Taylor Frankie Paul.

The Golden Bachelor franchises have been really good.

Now this is the exact type of shit we need.

Like it's giving you know perfect sex on the beach couple, whatever it's called.

Yeah, alumni

melting pot yes exactly but in a way that works um it's also airing on httv so it's like kind of perfect here are the contestants and i don't know why it's these contestants and if they have any construction background or design background so i would hope so

dean bell we all know dean deanie babies he definitely doesn't do construction he lives in a van yeah He doesn't even have home, let alone right.

You can't build a home if you don't have one.

I do think by now, like him and Caitlin have a home.

Yeah.

She was at Dancing with the Stars last night.

Was she?

Yeah.

I don't know.

Nick Vile was there and Natalie was there and Caitlin.

They were all like in the front row.

I do think it used to be like you would come as like a friend of a contestant, but now it's sort of like a red carpet like affair.

Yeah, it's just a fun thing to do.

But also like Dylan was just on Vile Files.

I think maybe him and Natalie are friends.

Yes, yes, yes.

That's also true.

Jill Chen is the next contestant, Bachelor Season 26.

And I don't think, I think she's after my time.

Okay, I just want to say producer in my ear, letting me know.

Dean does do construction.

He like renovates his own house and everything.

Okay, does Jill Chin do production?

I'm not sure, but like, I think it's safe to assume that all the contestants do.

Okay.

Noah Erb.

He was bachelor at season 16.

I forget who that is.

They need to do the lead's name.

No, he was with Abigail.

He was the lead?

No, no, no.

No.

Yeah, he won.

I mean, sorry, he's married to Abigail.

Abigail.

Yeah, that's how I know him from Paris.

They're really cute.

She comes up on my TikTok a lot.

Yeah.

Alicia Gupta, the bachelor Season 29.

That's so active.

After my time.

Tammy Lee, The Bachelor Season 24.

I forget who The Bachelor was, but I remember Tammy.

And she was on Bachelor in Paradise.

She was starting stuff.

She's a stuff starter for sure.

Sandra Mason, Golden Bachelor Season 1.

Okay, Sandra, get in there.

Sam McKinney, Bachelorette Season 21, past our time.

Yeah.

Brendan Murray, Bachelorette season 16.

Yeah, I know this face.

He was, he's from our time.

Courtney Robertson from Bachelor season 16.

She won her season.

You know, she was like the most, she was like the villain of her season.

And she won.

He looks like Josh Groban.

I can't remember his name.

They're not together anymore.

Oh, of course.

Courtney Robertson.

Who was the man?

Yeah, this guy.

He does look like Ben Vladznik.

And he does look like josh groban that's an amazing call so like does she wear construction

she or interior design she must and this is her first coming back to the franchise since ben flagnick's season well these bitches like don't know what it was like you know everybody thinks like reality tv now must be such a grandma but like there was a time

Ben Flagnik, like that's all I'll say.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, our favorite contestant that we've never watched, Jeremy Simon.

Jeremy.

Jeremy Simon.

If you don't remember him, he was on Gen Season and he shared with her that his great-great-grandfather was like the chief rabbi of

Lithuania before the Holocaust and it's very significant to him.

And we're pretty sure we're related to Jeremy Simon because we also had like a family member deep down the lineage who was like a big rabbi.

We are definitely related to him, but far enough removed that like we could still set him up with Saji.

With Margo.

A thousand percent.

Honestly, this show looks so good.

Then Christopher Stalworth, who's from Golden Bachelorette season one.

I feel like anyone who's from Golden Bachelor could win this because they'll have just so much experience.

Yeah.

Honestly, I think that this is brilliant.

I also love them tapping Tyler C.

And Joan from Golden Bachelorette.

I think people know her.

I think she looks familiar to me.

I think she won.

I know Joan.

Okay.

She's the last one.

I think Joan was like the scorned woman.

undersa i think

yeah i think it was like teresa and joan under

was joan the golden bachelorette

she might have been i don't know

yes she was well all is that to say like good job to like good job oh speaking of jobs are we gonna talk about apple tv apple tv plus

no

you know they're dropping the plus i heard

rebrand over at apple tv plus the plus is no more

i just can't believe people are seeing this stuff and they're like, oh, we should, like, and seeing the reactions to it, like Max dropping Max, and are like, oh, we should do something like that.

Like, that's a good idea.

I don't know.

It's kind of like an attention whore type of thing.

Like, they saw how much attention HBO got for dropping the drop, putting it, dropping and then putting back in the HBO.

And yes, while everybody was clowning on them, making fun of them, they were talking about them.

So maybe Apple TV was like, I want people to talk about us too.

Let's do something just as stupid.

Let's drop the plus.

The plus never fucking made sense.

The plus never made sense, but it never made sense without the plus either, because Apple TV is also something you can physically purchase without having a subscription.

Do you know what I mean?

But everyone calls it Apple TV.

Like, it's on Apple.

It should just be called Apple.

I actually think that's the thing.

And then Apple TV is the thing you buy to, like, plug into your TV when you want to watch Netflix.

Yeah.

Because that's what I, when you say Apple TV, I'm thinking of the little black box with the HDMI cord.

Yeah, but if I'm like the Buccaneers is on Apple TV, I would never hit the plus.

No, you would never hit the plus, but I would never even hit the TV.

Like, Ted Lasso's on Apple.

The thing is, we don't talk about their show.

Like, we as a society.

It's a non-issue.

We as a society.

They had one good show.

No one's really talking about their shows and where you can stream them.

And to be clear, we all interact with Apple TV Plus in the same way, right?

Like, there's one show that gets popular.

You buy it, you watch it, and then you cancel Ted Lasso.

Friends and Lovers, Enemies, High Places.

What's that show called?

Good Neighbors and Friends.

Love your neighbors.

Your friends and neighbors.

Everybody was talking about it.

I bought Apple TV Plus, canceled it when it was over.

Like, that's just what it is.

I leave my subscriptions going, but you're better than that.

Because you're financially reckless.

No, I just like,

I hate that feeling of like, what's my password?

I need to make a login.

Like, I just want ease.

And because I'm a cord cutter, I cut my cord for this reason.

So that I can have my.

So that you can be free.

So I'm a pick of the litter.

But I don't know if you can call yourself a cord cutter if you still have YouTube TV.

Honestly, YouTube TV is capable.

Well, Well,

that's why I'm not hurting as a cord cutter, but I am a cord cutter.

No, people who are cord cutters like live with streaming services and they, when there's like something on cable, like they watch it on Hulu the next day, like Dancing with the Stars.

No, just YouTube TV.

Keep living the life of a cord cutter.

I'm just saying.

YouTV has like circumvented cord cutting so that we're not feeling pain, but like that's what it was meant for.

You're cord cutting asterisk.

I guess, but like, I know, I don't have traditional cable.

I don't have a cable bill.

I cut.

You You don't have a cable box.

You don't have like a cord into the cable wall,

but you watch cable.

Just saying.

But I'm not a cable cutter.

I'm a cord cutter.

Sure.

Cord cutting implies cable cutting as well.

I'm just saying.

Well, we do have some other streaming news that I felt was very pertinent to some of our favorite topics here at the show.

Oh, is it podcasts going to be on Netflix?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I love that.

Netflix will stream a selection of Spotify video podcasts starting in 2026.

No, we are not one of them, but we're not.

We're not.

We could be.

Not yet.

Not yet.

No, we could be.

Because as you guys know, we are an official Spotify podcast.

And if you wanted to watch us on Spotify, you could.

Which just like coincidentally happened.

And now Netflix is like, oh, Spotify video podcast.

We'll take you.

I love this.

And I just want to say...

Okay, sorry, you go.

Here are the details.

For people who hadn't already heard this amazing podcasting news.

Netflix is officially diving into the podcast Biz, the video streaming giant inked a deal with Spotify to bring a batch of top original podcasts.

So they're also the originals.

Like, we're not a Spotify original podcast.

No, we're not.

We're not.

We're not.

Maybe that's like the second wave.

Yeah, right, right.

We'll get there.

Don't rush, Jackie.

Don't rush our life away.

Right.

Let them be the pilot.

Let's experiment.

Yeah, right.

The guinea pig.

Like, say that it failed because of them.

Like, not because of us.

Right, not us.

We'll come and blame us.

Jackie, they can't blame us if it flops.

Including a podcast from Bill Simmons is The Ringer to subscribers worldwide.

The companies do not disclose terms of the pact, including how long the deals run, but the partnership will bring sports, culture, lifestyle, and true crime podcasts from Spotify Studios and The Ringer that complement Netflix's existing programming and unlocks new audiences and wider distribution for the shows.

So you'll be able to watch these batch of shows on Netflix.

Obviously, not to center ourselves and make everything about us, but it does make the potential of us being on like a major streaming service one day like a reality.

We don't sound crazy.

So for that, like I'm excited.

I'm excited for my fellow podcasters, excited for everybody who's going to give visibility on like a huge streaming service.

And this is just exciting.

And this is like a huge win for us like independent journalists you know independent media and you know we are an independent media company not to get ahead of myself because we're not on this program yet but if we were to be on this program like that would mean the frames would be on netflix

and and after everything

through it's just a testament to the haters being their motivators yeah like they started from the bottom now we're not on netflix but we could be and we might be No one has approached us about being on Netflix, by the way, but this just feels like this is where the industry is going.

So maybe it'll be something else.

I would love, like, I love your flicks net, but.

Yeah, I would, but I'm obviously open to being able to stream on Hulu.

I'm on the street.

Apple TV, drop the plus.

I love your rebrand.

Yes, Max, of course, we would love to have you.

Yeah.

I'd even take, you know, Peacock, Discovery Plus, whatever.

Hulu.

Yeah, I said I read that already.

Rising tides, raise all shides.

This is is great for everyone.

And you know what?

Even if they like, even if it never happened to us, I'm happy for my friends in podcasting because I'm just really passionate about the space.

Now, not to be a hater, but did you like look at the list of podcasts and say to yourself, who?

Like, of course, I've heard of Bill Simmons and like his Ringer Network.

I've never seen a clip or listened to a minute of it, but I know it's popular.

And so I'm happy for his fans, like the other ones.

I was like, who are these people?

So it's a lot of sports.

And I...

I couldn't say like it's if I haven't heard of them, that doesn't mean anything.

Read them to me.

Bill Simmons podcast, The Zach Lowe Show, The McShea Show, Fairway Roland, The Mismatch, The Ringer F1 Show, The Ringer Fantasy Football Show, The Ringer NFL Show, The Ringer NBA show.

Then Culture and Lifestyle, The Rewatchables, The Big Picture, The Dave Chang Show, The Recipe Club, Dissect, and True Crime is conspiracy theories and serial killers.

I do think, I don't know how many of those, but I do think like almost 100% are the Ringer shows.

I think it's really like a pilot program with The Ringer because Spotify is the one that's going to be a little

bit.

Okay, well, I love that because The Ringer shows, while I've, again, never heard or seen them, they are really popular amongst people whom I don't know.

So I want the pilot to be successful.

Yeah, so Ringer fans stream Ringer on Netflix.

I think a lot of people like finagle their podcasts and get them on TV, like their airplay.

They go to the YouTube app.

So this is just a more streamlined way of what people are already doing.

For the cord cutters.

For the cord cutting community.

Another win for the cord cutting community.

More content for us.

A thousand percent.

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Our fourth story is some really surprising news for Vanderproup Rules fans, which is that Lala Ken and Sheena Shea are no longer speaking and their friendship has reached a point of no return.

Lala and Sheena's relationship will likely never be the same.

During a recent interview with Page 6, Lala was eager to talk about her return to reality TV.

Yes, she is doing the Valley like full-time.

And Sheena is not.

And Sheena actually had the producer of the show on her podcast to sort of, because everybody would have said like Sheena's not on the valley because like they didn't want her, but she was offered a role and she declined it and had Alex Baskin on her podcast to sort of like validate that that was true because no one would have believed it otherwise.

Right.

Did she say why?

She did.

She said she read a comment.

I actually thought this was really profound.

And shout out to the person on TikTok who recapped the whole interview for me because I did not watch it.

His name is Josh.

She read a she read a comment about herself that like really shifted her perspective.

They were like, Sheena's like the senior who graduates high school and comes back like knocking on the doors, like

being like, I used to go here.

And she did not want to be that.

And she said that really affected her.

And then she also saw how Paige left Summerhouse and actually called Paige for advice.

And really, all of that empowered her to make this big decision.

Wow.

Yeah, I thought that was really interesting.

That is interesting.

I don't,

I'll have to watch the next season of The Valley and see how it goes.

But like, it's not like she's trying to go back to high school and like be on Vanner Pump rules.

Like, The Valley is college.

Like, I, I, I agree.

I actually feel like she's being a little hard on herself.

Me too, but I think the Valley could have used a person like Sheena.

She was like literally this ethereal figure on it anyways.

So we're always talking about her.

Yeah, Sheena told me sooner.

She was like literally starting drama on a show.

She's friends with everyone.

Like her absence is kind of glaring.

It's not like she's like forcing her.

She's like, who told you this big room or who told you?

Right.

She's like forcing, it's not like she's forcing herself into a cast or position where like she doesn't fit or she's not friends with these people.

Like when they tried to do Vanderpump Younger and she's like hooking up with like Max or whatever, Brett.

Right.

That was.

That was the senior going back to high school.

I'm sure there were other things factored into her decision, but I actually hope it wasn't just that comment because I don't think that's an accurate take on the situation.

Me neither.

And I think the phase of life that she's in, it's perfect for the ballet.

Right.

So yes, she talked about her, Lala's talking about her return to reality TV, life with two kids and the rebrand of her podcast, but she refused to speak about Sheena.

She said, I think I've said everything I need to say on that situation.

Whether she was asked whether there was a path forward with Sheena, she was, they were shot down once again.

She said, I'm not even going to discuss her at all.

So according to Lala, Sheena is upset that

Lala didn't promote Sheena's memoir in the way that she wanted to.

Sheena had sent everybody copies of the book and Lala like didn't

She did post about it, but like very like just tagging Sheena like not emphatic so proud of my friend and I think that when Lala's book had come out Sheena had done the opposite and so Sheena was like disappointed at like the lack of energy for her memoir.

Yeah.

I would say that is probably.

And she did it.

Oh, sorry.

She also did it after like the pre-sale window.

So like when you're writing a book, you have, you announce the book like three months before.

And then up until the first week that the book is out, all of those numbers count towards pre-sale if you want to make the New York Times bestsellers list.

So I think Lala posted about it like after that window.

Yeah.

Lala, you know, Lala wrote a book.

I think it was a bestseller.

So like she knows that like the important, you know, six days when the book is out, like, and she just sort of like stalled and waited.

And I think Sheena thought it was maybe intentional.

So I think that it probably was intentional and it was a symptom of an already deteriorating friendship, not the thing that like, oh, Lala just didn't get around to it.

And that bothered Sheena.

Like, I think their friendship was on the rocks.

According to Sheena, the issue is that after confiding in Lala about her husband's past affair, Lala then repeated it to someone in their circle.

Ooh.

So that could have been what started the issues.

Then they're having issues.

Then you want me to promote your book.

I'll do it a little lacklustery because we're not the best of friends right now.

So I actually think like both stories are true.

It's just a matter of like when the beef started.

Yeah.

Well, that's actually like a crazy thing for Lala to have done, if true.

And you know what?

I would love to see this play out on a reality show because this is actually interesting stuff without these two being on TV for the last three years, giving us nothing.

But also, this is really crazy because like they were living their lives like sister wives the last few years.

Like they both have daughters the same age who are best friends.

Like Lala had said that like she felt like Brock was like she would, they were in a thrupple, like that Brock felt like a father to her daughters.

Like they are so close.

They just bought houses both in the valley.

They have both houses in Palm Springs.

They were doing everything together.

Like, this isn't just like a friendship that petered out like any other celebrity or reality TV friendship.

Like, they had like melded their lives together.

So, like, it's so crazy that that could be

so rocky.

And it's crazy that they got to this place while not being on TV because I think TV like really...

is so toxic and it destroys relationships like that.

So when you get out of it, you're like, you're finally free.

And so for the relationship to have thrived in such a toxic environment and then deteriorated once they're both free like that's weird yeah i wonder if anything of it has to do with la la la on the valley like if she said anything on the show she also said that like she's having a lot of anxiety about being on the valley even when she films like she gets really worried afterwards because she can't like shut up and she like gets really worried about like fan reactions afterwards ever since like scandalball she's like not caring or she became like the villain of scandal which is crazy yeah and that just like has really affected her and given her anxiety but i also think that's like you know just growing up like you just start to like care more yeah but it can't can't affect your ability to do your job.

But I'm excited to see her on the valley.

I was promised her on the valley this season, and I didn't get that.

And then, did you just see that she posted with Tom Schwartz?

I did.

Soft, soft launch.

I did.

I don't want to read too much into it because I don't want to get my hopes up.

No, and I think they know like the lore.

I think they're slowly falling in love.

Document it.

Like, seriously, cameras up.

That's how the story ends.

I'm obsessed with that.

Even though Lala, like, needs and deserves, like, so much more than him.

Like, he is awful.

And I feel like we don't even think about it anymore.

Cause like in the divorce, like, Katie was also a villain.

Like, she wasn't like a sympathetic person.

But, oh, my God, he was the worst fucking husband to her on the planet.

I agree.

But.

And Lala needs so, like, Lala demands.

She has two kids.

Like, she just needs money.

She needs a man.

However, I think the best of Schwartz, like, take away the worst of him which was like we saw it all and i agree with you and he sucks and he was a bad husband but when he's at his best that could actually be like the soft landing place for la la

sure like very idealistic of you and i sure

sure just saying i'll never give up but i'm not gonna go i'm not walking down this path like because i do feel so delusional but they're like playing into my delusions it's not

like maybe maybe while they're playing they'll they're falling.

Right.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

So much TV news today.

We're just like a bunch of TV actors.

I told you, we are in our cable era, even though we cut the cord.

Yeah.

Well, last night, Dancing with the Stars, dedication night ended with a new couple on top and no elimination.

Wait, who was on top?

Not Whitney and...

Not Whitney and Mark.

It was Dylan and Daniella.

And they did dance really nicely.

I wouldn't have like, I always, I never really pay attention to the the scores.

And then at the end, I'm like, wait, that person did the highest.

Right.

Right.

So it's kind of surprising that they got the best scores.

But they, everyone did, I forget what the name of it was, like freestyle.

It was very like lyrical, barefoot, you know, jumping, leaping.

So dance moms.

It was like very beautiful.

That's a nice style of dance.

And I feel like it's not easy to excel in it, but like.

comfortable for people and it looks really beautiful.

So they looked really great.

They danced to rewrite the stars from Greatest Showman and he dedicated it to his little sister.

She's five, and the way that he was describing like her and their relationship was actually adorable.

And I was like, fine, it's okay if Zach's not here.

And they did mention Zach and how Zach is like always.

What did they say?

That Zach has always been there for him.

Like he's just the best brother.

And that's what Dylan wants to be to

Olivia, the little sister.

And they danced to rewrite the stars.

Like it was okay.

No, I'm telling you, Zach, Zach is like hating how famous Dylan is.

Zach should have been in the audience because everyone was obviously everyone everyone who was remotely connected to a dance.

And I just want to say, now that Chris Jenner has sat in the audience at Dancing with the Stars, nobody else has any excuse.

Like, maybe at one time it would have been considered like lowbrow, reality TV, like, oh, I do film.

No, now Chris went.

Anyone can go.

Alec Baldwin was there.

Please.

Yeah.

So we'll go in order of the dances.

First was Andy and Emma.

I actually missed their dance.

I didn't tune in on time.

So I don't know how it went, but they got a 24 out of 40, which is like really low.

40.

Oh, because there was four judges.

Four judges.

And I also, I haven't seen anything about their dance anywhere.

I feel like it was his, it was like finally his flop night and he would have gone home, but there was no elimination.

At the end, they were like, everyone's staying.

We're not going to send anyone home on such an emotional night.

I mean, I guess that we would be sitting here if they like sent someone home who like dedicated it to like their grandmother.

We would have been like, that's crazy.

So I actually agree, even though like, what a waste of my time.

Like, I'm here to see who wins and nobody goes home.

But if they did, we would have said it was really crazy.

So I understand why they didn't.

For sure.

But I'm Andy's number one fan and I feel as though it's his time.

Yeah, his time has come.

And I think that's like fine.

And now we'll get one more dance.

And then it's time for him to go home.

You know, it's the big dogs now.

Plus, there's still so many people there.

Then Robert Irwin and Whitney Carson danced in dedication to Robert's mom,

who was like, after his dad passed away, was a single mom.

And like, I think that was the most moving tribute of the evening for everyone.

They got a 35 out of 40.

The dancing was, he danced really well.

I, when I'm watching, I love it.

I loved how they incorporated her.

Yeah.

Oh, that's.

I know what you're, I agree with what you're saying.

Like there, it's a, there's a weirdness when you throw a third person and it looks unnatural.

And I watched their dance and I thought it was perfectly done.

Yeah.

And it was the first one I saw of the night.

So it's like the camera went to him and then Whitney swapped out for the mother and it was like perfect.

It wasn't like three people like doing a threat bowl dance.

No, their weirdness.

And then when Bindy was on, like, she had dedicated it to the dad.

So now they've like covered all the parents.

It was very beautiful.

It was very beautiful.

I think like it was the best use of dedication night

and execution.

When I'm watching him dance, I like have to try not to watch Whitney because like then it's all tense for me.

But then I'm like, well, that's not fair.

And also I want my joy.

Like, so I go back to watching both of them.

But I do struggle with that when I'm trying to evaluate dances.

Elaine Hendrix and Alan Burston, she danced for Chessie and talked about their friendship since parent trap and she doesn't have any siblings and like, and her mom passed away and Chessie has just been like family to her.

Dennis quaid was in the audience i saw

and this was a dance where three people dancing made me feel weird yeah i'm gonna look past that because like the fact that these two are such good friends like real friends

i find so shocking and i find so sweet and i really love and like then just hearing the background about how it's like she's been there for her when nobody else was like i love it i'm sorry i also

they couldn't send anyone home based on the dancing because like it's not fair to judge when there's a third person in there it's like like that third person is slowing down the dance moves.

They obviously don't have the training.

We're like not judging the third person's dancing, but if they didn't do so good, then the dance looked bad.

Like it was just not like actually productive for competition, but okay.

Like it was sweet.

Yeah.

Then we had Whitney Liaobit and Mark Ballast.

They danced with Whitney's husband.

This was like a weird one to watch.

And Whitney and Mark got 33 out of 40.

They were not at the top of the pack.

She danced really well.

They were out of sync.

Like she was going faster than him.

Yeah, I noticed it and then they said it too.

You know, she always looks amazing.

And of course her dance is like better than anyone who probably got a better score than her.

But if she's being judged against herself, especially after last week, it wasn't the best dance.

It was kind of all over the place.

I just am happy that her and her husband are like having this moment because that first season of Sex Lives of Mormon Wives was really a lot about them and his like Tinder, whatever.

If it was Tinder.

Yeah, right.

Right.

So the fact that they're sort of like tying it up in a bow and I really do think that they have a good marriage despite like all the drama.

I think he's like really shown up and like supported her so much.

I think he like takes care of the kids like a hundred percent.

He said he quit his job.

He moved across the country.

He's with the kids all the time.

I think they're really a beautiful testament to like working on like seriously hard issues and coming through the other side.

He was so honored that she chose to dedicate it to him.

All sweet.

I really, I like I ship.

I love them.

And then Mark was like, yeah, no, they needed this.

The theme for their dance was like Mark was fame coming between them.

Oh,

it did just look like another man coming between them.

Of course.

And like three people dancing.

Yeah.

Then Jen Affleck and Jan Rovnik, their scores make no sense to me.

They got 29 out of 40.

I thought it was beautiful.

They danced for Jen's mom.

It was emotional.

Like she.

danced beautifully.

She's being scored harder than anyone else when once again, all I'm asking is for is the same, first of all, like the same handicap that you would put on like Andy Richter.

Like

put on a postpartum mom.

I'm also asking for a postpartum handicap.

I want her getting better scores, but I would settle for like just fair.

Like why is she always getting bad scores?

She's not a bad dancer.

And last night was beautiful.

Like 29.

Are you crazy?

No, her video really made me cry.

Crazy.

Dylan and Daniella, 36 out of 40.

We discussed.

Jordan Childs danced for her dad.

She got 32 out of 40.

It was really cute.

It was.

I saw like he was like standing watching.

He stand and watch.

It was, it was really great.

Like, Like

there's not much.

She's a real contender.

Yeah.

But she wasn't contending last night because like we were like telling a story about fatherhood.

Right.

So last night was just sort of like a neutral episode for everyone.

Yeah.

Then Scott Hoying and Riley, they got 30 out of 40.

He danced for his husband.

They announced that they're expecting a baby.

I saw that on TikTok.

The dance, I don't remember

being compelling.

Exactly.

Danielle Fischel and Pasha, they danced for Mr.

Feeney.

They got 29 out of 40.

They did the jive for Mr.

Feeny.

Oh, okay.

I love to do the jive for Mr.

Feeny.

I really do.

They had set up a fake principal's desk.

Desk.

Okay, that's what I saw on.

They had him there.

So they started the dance there with him just like standing there.

And then they ended the dance there, too, with him there.

So he didn't, they did sort of dance around him a little bit.

Like I said, okay.

Well, that's cute, by the way.

And that's hard.

Like, by the way, for everybody having to incorporate a third person having to incorporate a third person with like limited mobility is actually much harder so and it wound up being better because i don't want to watch three people dance as i've previously discussed no i love danielle fischel i'm like so in my topega era that is so funny you're 20 years too late i'm 20 years late yeah but again i never watched a show growing up and it's like wow she is really pretty like and they were showing clips from boy meets world she talked about like the impact that he had on her i think he she said like he saved her life and like even in the the show in the last scene where i guess she's graduating from high school and she she says goodbye to Mr.

Feeney.

And they're like crying.

She's like, we only had to do one take.

Like that was the one because it was all very.

Oh, that's really cute.

Yeah, it was cute.

Shout out, Mr.

Feeney.

Really cute.

Shout out.

And then last was Alex Earl and Val.

They danced for Alex's Little Sis.

You told us the beautiful story.

And she shared that.

She shared that, how like the sister healed her family and showed her like what family is, what it means to be family and like what family can look like.

And it was adorable.

The sister was so cute.

She was so excited to be there.

I thought that the dynamic of the three of them was one of the better ways uh three people dancing incorporated could work but it was also very like big sis little sis like she was like carrying her on it was like so ethereal the girls were like barefoot in their little fairy dresses

uh 35 out of 40.

good so it was the highest score dylan and daniella with 36.

okay go alex robert irwin and alex tied for a second that feels right

Yeah,

I know I feel like I bring it up all the time, but like Alex Girls' family dynamic will never not be the craziest thing to me.

And in the audience was her dad, her stepmom, and her mom sitting next to each other.

Shout out to that mom, okay?

Shout out, Mrs.

I don't know your name.

I don't know.

Nay Earl.

Like, seriously, queen.

So fucking mature, and she's so gorgeous.

I don't know if she's married or anything.

Get that girl.

Like, where's Brad Pitt?

That's who he should be with.

Her golden bachelorette.

No, she's too good for that.

She's independently wealthy.

Like, she doesn't need.

Well, I don't, I feel like, like, quality people go on that show.

No, like, for sure, but she doesn't need it.

Like, I think I need to do that.

I feel like she has inner peace.

That would be such a sly.

Yeah, but she shouldn't have to go on the Golden Bachelor to be the Golden Bachelorette.

No, oh, I agree.

No, Taylor Frankie.

But she shouldn't have to slug right to the top.

Yeah, like give her the Matt James effect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, that is what I'm saying.

No, she should not be a conversation on the Golden Bachelor.

Golden Bachelorette.

I love that.

And it's a Disney Hulu ABC family.

Family.

Yeah.

Well, thanks for the recap.

I'll be back.

I'll really try, but like, I'm going to be able to do that.

It was going to be like two weeks because no one went home.

Totally.

And if somebody has like a hack, like a VPN or something, let me know.

And also I'm trying to go to taping.

Go to the taping.

Next week is Wicked Week, which I'm excited about.

That's a good theme.

I wonder if they're going to send two people home to make up for this week.

I feel like they should.

Right, like a Glinda and an Alphaba.

Yeah, or just like two people because we need to get this show on the road.

There's a million contestants and we're halfway through the season.

Yeah, no, it's time.

Yeah.

But you also have to remember that they don't eliminate, they stop eliminating.

The final episode is four people.

Right, right.

So if there's 10 people left, there's technically only six episodes left.

Okay, fair.

But still, show on the road.

Emmy, to that person.

That song is really good.

Skitty dee da da da da da.

Somebody, they should dance to that for like the finale.

They should.

They had all their troops going last night.

Julianne danced.

Oh, go, Julianne.

One thing about Julianne, she's going to dance.

I missed the opening number, which has become to be my favorite part because I just, I love dancing.

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