Gang Gang Pargy Gang: Tuesday, October 14th, 2025

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Hey, Jax.

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On opposite day and the Tuesday of what is now a short week.

Thank you to Mr.

Columbus and the Indigenous peeps because we are starting off the week as shorties, which we always are.

In a parjalicious kind of way.

In a pargilicious manner.

I've really been saying Pargi so much.

I realize that I have now replaced Pargi, obviously for like, wow, she looks beautiful.

Wow, she looks Pargy.

But it has also replaced okay.

Somebody's like, does that work for you?

Pargy.

P for Pargy.

Yeah, it's really

so

that kind of looks like a gang symbol.

Gang, gang, Pargy gang.

I love that.

I love your gang, Pargy.

Me too.

Well, I think that's great.

When in doubt, parge it out.

Title.

Oh, I was going to say Pargy Gang.

I love that.

I should love that.

Look at At the bare minimum, we have a great title.

If the rest of the episode goes to shit, like we're good.

Who gives a damn?

Now we're like every other podcast.

Like great titles, terrible episodes.

With us, we have the worst titles.

You would never know.

It's the most amazing episode.

Even though I would love to phone it in for this episode and like just bank on this Pargi title, we actually have so much to catch up.

with each other on so much to discuss like the stories are party the girl the hosts are pargy we haven't like really face timed in a couple days so like i don't know what's going on with you i want to hear about la like i want to hear about food taking Hollywood.

So like unfortunately, this episode is going to be amazing.

Maybe tomorrow we could phone it in.

I mean, we could try.

It would actually be harder for us to put together a bad episode than it would

put it together a good episode.

Sorry, not to be annoying.

It's just like facts.

Well, speaking of all of the above, how's Los Angeles treating you?

Well, if you had watched my vlog from Sunday, you wouldn't need to ask because on Sunday, it was actually Ben's idea.

We had woken up at the crack of dawn as usual, and he was a little bit more.

Oh, he's becoming such an LA creator.

Jackie, the Amy Winehouse level pushing that's going on in my home, like you have no idea.

It just, we're mere moments away from Ben being like

on the streets.

He, it was his idea, and it was true because we were having like such an LA day.

We spent so much time in the car, and I really did want to vlog it.

So I won't spoil too much, but if you're like curious about what life is like in LA, a lot about like Ruby's schedule in there too.

We went to the Cheesecake Factory.

We went to Josh Peck's son's birthday party.

It was like, so L.A.

Were there other celebrities?

Check it out.

That's actually a really good question.

I want to say no, besides for Josh.

Hmm.

And it was the first time seeing Josh in person since I saw his sex scene.

Did it change things?

I actually couldn't look him in the eyes.

That's fair.

That feels right.

I had to wear sunglasses.

So are you loving the Angelian lifestyle?

Well,

no.

I'm not hating it, which is huge for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And there's definitely

things, you know, that have merit.

We went to Erewhon.

We went to Erewhon.

What do you think about Erewhon?

So it's just a grocery store.

And it's very, it's just like a fancy, it's like a Butterfield or the kosher grocery is very similar.

They have just like better produce than your average and fancier, more expensive brands of like tortilla chips.

So that part wasn't earth-shattering.

I think what people really go there for is it's like a restaurant.

So there's like a hot bar, like the prepared foods.

Coffee bar, the prepared foods.

Prepared foods.

It's greater than other foods.

Agreed.

you know what i you know how i like my food prepared that's what's so great about the hamptons like we go there for two months for prepared foods provisions like people need to start preparing more food agreed and i happened to have celeb spotting at arawan in the prepared food section i saw bri and nikki bella fun

Yeah, they were so Bri and Nikki.

Do you know what I mean?

Like Nikki was glammed out to the gods.

Her hair was long and huge and she was wearing a full face and Bri was like wearing a flannel.

You would never know that Brie was famous if they weren't together.

You know, they're really a a package unit.

So we went to the prepared food section.

We got lunch.

We've actually been now twice.

Ben also went back for the juice bar.

You know, they have their smoothies and things.

And it was good.

It was good.

Like,

it's just food.

You know what I mean?

Like, I don't know what I was expecting.

Like, magic.

But when we went to Round Swamp this summer, like, we were blown away.

So you were blown away.

You are capable of being blown away.

Okay, what was impressive about it is it's just like really organized.

You should see how many people work there back in the hot food section.

Like they know.

And we went on a Friday at noon, like bad idea.

So it was like lunchtime.

Their offerings are vast.

I got, and I took a video, but I forgot to post it.

I got these like

Asian e-noodles, fucking amazing.

And that was like the thing I got that I was like, I'm not going to eat.

The mac and cheese, baji.

It's hard to fuck up mac and cheese.

No, it.

And then I also, but people like get too big for their riches.

It can be done.

Yes, it absolutely can be done.

And then I also got the chicken fingers, which were so bad.

And I was shook because like chicken fingers are so easy.

It's actually like hard to mess up chicken fingers.

And then Ben was like, I thought it was weird that you got the chicken fingers.

And I'm like, why is that weird?

He was like, because they were turmeric chicken fingers.

I was like, what?

He's like, did they taste like weird at all?

I'm like, no.

And they actually didn't taste like turmeric.

I didn't like them because there was like a weird taste.

They were just like plain and like really subpar.

And he was like, yeah, I thought it was really weird that you chose the turmeric chicken fingers.

And that is weird.

If you and Ben were a dish, you'd be the turmeric chicken fingers.

i love that it's really beautiful and it's not tasty

it's not tasty it was just like very meh so all is that to say i think what's most impressive about arrewan it's like this big grocery store that's really clean like all everything on the shelves is fresh they're always in stock it's just like a beautiful place i don't think so much what they offer is like unique you know okay

And I just want to say, as somebody who frequents the Whole Foods hot bar quite a bit, it's also really good.

Like,

they just, I don't know, I think they just display things really nicely it's so la you know like speaking of la i've made an observation

i said to ben i'm like we are the only fat people here like it is not a chubby city and of course when i said that to ben we were walking in the street and then we saw like eight fat people in a row but it was just like plants

industry plants nobody here is fat and everyone here is actually so skinny that's like good you know it's a healthy city it's just a bad place to hate yourself you know it's a bad place to be in when you're struggling i am that i understand you know but i think that should be like a credit to la that like it's a healthy town yeah you think

i guess people could like be like skinny and not healthy

very true not you being toxic yet again i mean are we surprised no but um you could also be healthy but they also just live a healthy lifestyle out there but they're also all on drugs so it's like are they healthy i don't know So true.

Have you been doing drugs?

I haven't started doing drugs yet.

And that's because I'm breastfeeding.

And so once I'm done breastfeeding, I will, you know, get on the drugs.

And I also haven't seen any drugs.

You know what I mean?

Oh, so you're not really in it yet?

No, I feel like

with the right people.

Maybe at Chateau Marmont.

Doing drugs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, boy.

Totally.

How about you?

How was your long weekend?

My weekend was nice.

Really, another relaxing weekend.

We really can't take on too much, but I did something really special for Jack's self.

And I got a prenatal massage.

And let me tell you, I'm getting another one and another one and another one.

It was really wonderful

to just relax in that manner.

I felt very relaxed.

And usually by the time the massage is done, if I'm like, if they're sort of futzing and I'm like, okay, are we done?

Like, please kind of, I'm ready to go.

I was so sad to see it.

And drag you out of there.

Yeah.

I actually like when I sat up, they expect, you know, that I'm going to move slowly.

But when I sat up, I checked my phone and then I just like kind of forgot where I was.

And I'm just like on my phone.

And I think the woman outside the door was like, are you okay in there?

Because I just like forgot that I have to get up from here.

Was it one of those where they had the hole in the bed or you laid on your side?

No, I laid on my side in like a gorgeous pillow.

And if it was a hole in the bed, I couldn't go for a hole in the bed.

One time I got a hole in the bed prenatal and like

it was too much.

So I was lightheaded.

One time I got a hole in the bed prenatal massage when I was in Miami.

And when I tell you, I actually outwardly moaned at one point.

I don't know if I was just so excited to be like being rubbed or like laying on my stomach for the first time in months.

It was the most amazing experience of my life.

I just

think you're too pregnant.

I think you're too five months pregnant.

I remember like feeling like lightheaded.

Like it was an amazing massage.

It was very immersive,

but it was almost too much.

Like I couldn't, I...

I don't want to reach that level of like relaxation.

Like I just want a vibe.

And that's what I had in my massage, which was really great.

But then afterwards, I had a doctor's appointment and like something a little startling happened.

Cause you're not crazy to go from a massage to a doctor.

I was leading a life of regret.

I didn't realize it should be the other way.

I know.

I didn't realize what I had done, but it was already like books.

And you know, I don't want to call someone to move it.

So I guess I'll be going to my doctor's appointment.

And, you know, sometimes at this doctor, like the doctor gives you like a piece of paper that you give to the front desk that says like when you need to come back and like just like some info about you.

And at the bottom, there are like a bunch of conditions and there were a couple like circled.

And I

saw that obesity was circled.

And then I just like, I didn't have a lot of time because I was handing it in.

So I looked at what the other circle was, and it was cervical incompetence, which I do have, which means which we know to be true.

Right, which means like obesity, I do have.

I just think, honestly, because, you know, obviously I relate to this in the deep sense.

They told me I was obese at my six postpartum appointment, which is technically true.

I was obese at my six point and my six-week postpartum appointment.

I don't think medically, scientifically, or, you know, judicially, you can categorize a pregnant woman as obese.

Even if she was obese before, like, you can't.

Yeah.

No, I, I, I, now I'm excited for my next appointment because I want to read like what I have some follow-up questions.

Yeah, because it's like, is it history of, but then they're saying, like, I was once obese?

Like, but that's not any good.

You don't have a history.

I don't think you have a history.

Maybe it's like family history, but I don't have a family history.

Why are you throwing me under the bus?

It's like sister that you work with.

You're such a bitch.

No, but like I don't have a family history of cervical incompetence.

So it's like,

I need to get back in there.

I need to see what this sheet said.

One thing about you,

when I was at the bottom of the house, it left me very on edge.

Because you know, I've been on like a health journey.

I'm feeling very snatched.

Yeah, one thing, like, if anyone here is pregnant or new to the pregnancy journey, if they give you a sheet at the doctor's office, do not look at it.

Whatever you do, do not look at it.

It might have your rate on it.

It might have a condition called obesity obesity on it.

Like, do not do it.

So now I'm just like on the edge of my seat.

Like, what was that?

She's counting down the minutes.

And when I handed it into the reception, I was like, am I obese?

Does that make sense?

She was probably like, oh, sweetie, this isn't for you.

This is someone else's.

Yeah.

She was like, you know, they just like, no, no.

I'm like, she said that?

Yeah.

She was like, no, no, they just.

You're obese.

I'm obese.

Yeah, that's such, that's like what a liar says.

Like, of course I'm obese.

Might as well have circles.

Might as well have circles pregnant.

Yeah, no, they really need to do better, like with the vernacular.

Yeah, so that was just like a little destabilizing.

I'm so sorry that that happened to you.

Yeah.

I'm validating you that it's wrong.

Yeah.

So I'm just like seeking stability.

Just when like I thought I was like, eh, crushing it.

Yeah.

I do want to say you look amazing.

I have thought that now for many weeks, that you just are crushing it.

So don't listen to what those, what the hell do those doctors know anyway?

Like haters are my mother.

Oh my god.

Doctors are such haters.

Do you feel that?

I do, but like, I so respect them because like they operate at such a high level.

No, and like under a series of facts, you know?

Yeah, it's like we very much operate in the field of feelings and they very much exist within the realm of straight facts.

Like the numbers are what they are.

You're fat.

Like you're big.

And your dogs are gay.

Your dogs are gay.

Now we do have a great show for everyone today.

Stories are aplenty because we had the three-day weekend.

And it's Tuesday, which means DTQ, Deer Toasters community is going to be fed this evening.

Also, if you want to be extra fed and be obese, Deer Toasters community.

Oh, yeah.

Zach and I recorded a Deer Toasters Patreon episode together, like relationship-themed deer toasters.

It's amazing.

It comes out on Patreon this week.

As soon as I like feel the itch, like people are itching for it, I'll drop it.

Itch, itch.

It was honestly so funny.

We had a blast.

Like we should give advice more often.

We were hysterical.

And how is the state of your marriage as you're recording an episode with your husband?

Because I know how difficult that can be on a family.

Never better, which is so crazy.

It's like, I do dread recording with him because, but sometimes, you know, you've got to.

But it can be very stressful, especially when like I'm in charge and you're the microphone is moving and like like you're not, you're like, you're responding with silence or you're responding with a nod.

Like, you know what I mean?

Um, no, but we were really connected.

Oh, that's really connected.

And we were just like being so funny.

Like a lot of like personal

funny facts.

Yeah, because like people were writing in about stuff that's like so real.

Yeah.

So real.

So that's coming up on Patreon.

Claudia's vlogs on Patreon.

There's just plenty, plenty of content.

Plenty to chew on.

For a fatty.

For a fatty such as yourself.

Okay, well, let's get into everything because we have a lot.

We've been off a lot.

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Our first story is some sad news.

Diane Keaton.

Oh, my God.

Diane Keaton, famed for roles in Father of the Bride, First Wives Club, and more, dies at the age of 79.

So over the weekend, it was announced that Diane Keaton passed away.

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local time and transported a 79-year-old woman to the hospital.

Like, I didn't know we had to be on the lookout for Diane Keaton.

What were we just talking about?

Like older celebrities, like the Betty White effect, where we're just like sort of waiting, hoping, wishing, praying.

Diane Keaton wasn't on my list because I guess in like a technical sense, she's 79.

She's like eternally 57, you know?

Yeah.

And she had such a youthful spirit.

She had such a youthful spirit, even though it's really crazy when you like look at her breadth of work and the things she's been in.

Because like, yeah, I guess she is or was 79.

Like, she was in The Godfather and she was so young.

She was in like all those Woody Allen movies.

She was so young.

She has had such, it's crazy.

Like, what do you think is the best Diane Keaton movie?

Oh, my gosh.

What I would say is not what, you know,

the world would say, but my favorite Diane Keaton movie,

let me think.

What's yours?

Mama said there'd be days like this.

There'd be days like this, mama.

Mama said, mama said, because I said so with Mandy Moore and Piper Parabeau and Lauren Graham and Gabrielle Macht from Suits.

No, best fucking movie.

Morning Glory.

Oh my God, Wade.

That just made me extra sad.

Me too.

Oh, my God.

I didn't realize.

For those who don't know, the reason Jackie and I are sitting here today is because of the movie Morning Glory.

I forgot.

And she's hilarious.

We're always quoting her in that one line.

And today on the show, we've got Celine Dean's personal chef.

Oh, my God.

Wade, that's devastating.

One thing about Diane, she had fucking taste.

She had a good picker.

Like, she knew what to pick.

Bang.

Bring her into rolls.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Other people might know her from Father of the Bride, The Godfather,

Book Club, First Wives Club, which Claudia and I did try to get into late in life, and it was just not holding up.

I have a lot of negative thoughts and feelings about First Wives Clubs, and then the way people talk and treat the movie.

But given, you know, respect for the deceased, I i won't be it's not the time it's not it's not the time for the dragging of first wives club i hope you understand but will you let me know when it is the time because i'm ready next time that movie comes up on the show okay could be tomorrow but it cannot be today no i'm devastated i really am it's hard to like compare her to anyone somebody who really had such an impact on like a

many generations of women.

I feel like, you know, everyone's mom has the Diane Keaton movie that they love and then everyone, every millennial has one.

Nancy Byers wrote such a lovely tribute, because of course something's got to give us up there for the best Diane Keaton movie.

I was shocked.

Yeah, me too.

Shocked and saddened.

Do you remember when Kyle Richards accused her of like stealing her mother's ring?

No.

That was a crazy story.

You don't remember that?

No.

So like, oh, yeah, I think when Kyle's house got robbed, she lost like this beloved ring that belonged to Kyle Richards' mother.

And then like two years later, Diane Keaton posted a picture of like her hands on Instagram.

She was wearing like a thousand rings and Kyle Richards was like Diane Keaton that's my mother's ring and Diane Keaton was like what the fuck are you talking about about like a flea market it was like this kind of weird well maybe she could have bought the stolen ring no Diane Keaton was like I've had this ring for 30 years oh oh oh and I don't think Diane Keaton appreciated like the insinuation that she was a thief that's weird It was one of those like very strange celebrity crossover moments.

I didn't even recall it.

I don't want to harp on this too much because this show is like a beacon of light and positivity, but I'm really sad.

And

I didn't know she was struggling with any sort of health issues.

And she will go down in history as one of the greatest actresses of our time.

And I feel like she actually, I know this is going to sound crazy.

I feel like she doesn't get enough credit, even though she's like the most beloved because everybody's always like, you know.

Meryl Streep.

Yeah, Jackie, Jackie.

I did not want to bring Meryl Streep into this.

Yeah, because we don't have to like bring down another woman.

But just for comparison's sake, like we do.

Diane doesn't get her flowers because she's like constantly overshowered by more serious

older actresses as well.

Like people think that you just have to be so serious in order to be respected.

But Diane Keaton was keeping it fun and keeping it light.

And I just feel like she didn't get the respect she deserved.

But I feel like in this moment, we're all coming together and realizing like Diane Keaton did great things for this world.

Have you ever seen the movie Baby Boom?

I think I have.

It's an amazing Diane Keaton movie that I watched so randomly a couple of years ago.

I don't know if it's like her biggest movie, and I think it was just at a time, like after The Godfather, when she was super young, and she was just like making movies after movie, and it hit after hit.

And it's this great movie about this, like, working gal.

It's actually very relevant.

Working gal who finds herself pregnant.

And she's like, oh my God, what am I going to do?

And I don't want to spoil it.

And I also don't remember, but I remember being like deeply, deeply moved by it.

I remember like that I've watched it and I liked it.

It's a great film.

Yeah.

So take the time to film.

I feel like all of Diane's a Diane Keaton film.

Maybe it's Morning Glory, but I would have felt like remiss to not make it a story.

I know we don't typically harp on like slepts, but like, I feel like she needed a moment.

She needed a moment.

And I very rarely utter these three words in a serious sense.

But as a woman,

Diane Keaton is important.

Oh, I thought you were going to say these three words.

Rest in peace.

Well, of course I want her to rest in peace.

But we don't.

rip.

We don't usually say it in a serious sense.

I thought for sure that's what you were about to say.

Oh, I could see how that would be incredibly misleading.

I apologize.

But no, I was saying as a woman.

And then, what did you say after that?

Like, Diane Keaton was important to us.

She was

a big figure.

She will be missed.

Yeah, she will be.

Are you ready for our next story?

Taylor Swift is bringing six episode Era's tour documentary and final show concert film to Disney Plus in December.

So Lurd announced that she had an announcement and then the announcement was that she has a six-part docuseries about the Eras tour called Taylor Swift, The Errors Tour, The End of an Era, that will premiere on Disney Plus on December 12th, accompanied by the simultaneous release of a new concert film.

Taylor Swift's The Eras Tour, The Era Show, which was shot at her tour finale in Vancouver, BC.

This is significant because this will include the tortured poets department, department of the show, whereas the Eras tour version that's right now on Disney Plus does not include TTBD.

And the Sigs Party, the Sigs Part docu series, the first two episodes will come out on December 12th, and then the other ones will come out at a later date.

Oh, I didn't even know that.

Thank you.

Yes, so when I saw Taylor was releasing an announcement on GMA, I'm not going to lie, I did not get excited.

Like, Queen loves to be like, I have an announcement, another CD.

Shiny Bug.

I don't know if you can tell, but I'm like pretty scarred by Shiny Bug because I was like this summer riding that high of New Heights to Lois announcement engagement.

Like, oh my God.

I was on an emergency live episode.

Like, couldn't be more excited.

And then there's a countdown.

Ha ha.

Shiny bug.

What's shiny bug?

I didn't even know you were talking about it.

Like, she did all those vinyls.

Yes, and one of them was The Life of the Showgirl, The Shiny Bug, Ba, Ba, Ba, Ba, Ba.

And people thought that was Super Bowl, Shiny Bug.

Got it.

Okay, but it was just a bug that was shiny?

No, it was just like the, I don't know what the fuck it was.

And then, you know, just like how she did like Pink Lemonade Spritz album.

Got it.

Okay.

So when I saw there was a GMA announcement, like I did not gird my loins.

I honestly was just prepared to be disappointed.

I was not like staying up to listen or whatever.

And then when I was seeing the first announcement come out, I was like, oh, the Aristotle is coming out, but this time it's the documentary with the TTPD.

I'm like, oh, that's nice.

I don't know if that's like a GMA announcement, but great.

Then I saw the six episodes things.

I'm like, this, this is something I'm looking forward to.

Yeah.

And I'm glad that she recorded the behind the scenes.

It was a major moment.

I feel like there's

content to pull from it.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, we only know, you know, the life of a showgirl, the front-facing show that we've all seen a million times.

But it really, I do find it interesting, like what goes on.

backstage behind the curtain of like the biggest tour of all time.

And then of course, what's going on in her personal life simultaneously is even more interesting.

So I think that this is great.

I love a docuseries.

Taylor has done, you know, docu-style content before, Miss Americana, which was good.

So I'm excited.

Two things one I just sent you shiny bug so take a look I didn't just pull it out of my arse no I believe you yeah

and then the second thing I was gonna say I'll wait until I have your full attention for this one this one's an on-brand with Jimmy Fallon sort of idea wait where did you send it uh dm

oh oh oh sorry sorry i should have made that clear we have multiple channels of communication Shiny bug final, okay?

Like, what?

Yeah, I don't know.

she should have called this even though the end of an era is good she should have called it like the showgirl and like

uh right right worked it into tiloas because actually this documentary should have been called the life of a showgirl because this is about the behind the scenes of the show which is what she said life of a showgirl is about

yes yes life of a showgirl documentary

no i prefer tiloas no brainer

one thing about taylor and you know i love her she's not good at naming things

And like, she loves to have like a million parentheses, like even like the Taylor Schiff, the Eris tour, the Eris show.

Like, just Taylor's version.

It should just be called Eras.

Acoustic.

She loves like a lengthy

title with like parentheses, commas, semicolons.

Your worst nightmare.

Oh, except for commas.

You like commas too.

I do.

You really do.

This one has

lines.

Oh, and Taylor was at the game yesterday.

She didn't like, you know, do her big fancy walk, but they they just, you know, they got her in the suite, the camera.

She was seen in the box, which like confirms the fact that she wasn't seen for a month because of her plastic surgery,

allegedly, but that just feels like very obvious now.

I caught a little bit of the game.

The Chiefs won.

I couldn't stay up that late, but Travis was like, okay, I don't know.

I think it's

time to retire.

I know.

It's like he didn't want to retire because he wants to come back and win this season.

And he like spent a whole offseason in Florida with this like fancy Pargi trainer and he's coming back better than ever.

He's the best shape he's ever been and he's just like playing really not good.

And there's like young hot things on the team like to do his job but better and I just feel awkward.

I feel awkward and I also feel like Patrick is like doing the best he can for him and like still giving him like trying to give him moments and stuff but like at a certain point like he can only do so much for his friend.

Patrick has to balance like being the quarterback of a team that like has other things going on besides Travis, while also his friendship with Travis and like wanting to throw Travis the ball, but it's like Travis, if I throw you the ball, are you going to catch it?

No, and it's like, if he doesn't throw Travis the ball, like is Taylor gonna be mad at him?

Take it out on Britney, like take it out on Britney, right?

I feel like there's a lot of dynamics at play and it's holding Travis Patrick back.

Yeah, I agree.

Like the toxic friendship.

Yeah.

I have felt that too.

So anyways, we'll catch you for the documentary.

That's exciting.

Oh, yeah.

I'll be tuning in.

Yeah.

Our next story is some new couple news that I don't know if you've heard yet because I just heard it for the first time and it's very new.

Two dates in two nights between John Mayer and Kat Stickler.

Okay, so I did see this on Dumois, but then I saw everybody in the comments dispelling it.

Like, no, she just hard-launched a boyfriend on social media.

So I don't know what's true and I don't know what's not.

Okay, yeah, no, this is from Dumois, but they were seen going on.

And then Dumois was responding to comments like, maybe her and John are friends.

Like, which is it?

Oh, did I get got?

Like, she literally just, she's been like sneakily hinting that she's been seeing someone for a while but I don't think that this is it because this seems like they just went on a date and it was really good so they went on a second date

and then she like hard launched him like he was in the video can you can you just like go look on tick tock I'll look on Instagram yeah of course but look at what am I looking for a boyfriend

like I guess it's possible that they broke up

and then she went on a date with John Mayer but I don't know she like finally put him in is it her video I mean you would

you would break up with him to go on a date with John Mayer wouldn't you?

I actually wouldn't.

Not to make everything about me, but like I have like moved off of my crush on John Mayer.

I still would go out with him just like for the story.

And I could probably let him kiss me.

You'd let him.

You're so generous.

Let me see.

So I kind of want to just roll with this on the artist.

And I'm not saying that it's not true.

Do you ship?

It's not that I don't ship.

I don't know if it's true.

But again, I think there are a lot of people who keep up with Cat Stickler and like are obsessed with who she's dating and are either like freaking out that she's dating someone new or they shame her for introducing one of you know a man to her kid without like there's she gets so much hate I don't actually don't know if they're dating I feel like Dumois doesn't know either um

is it because that you took Jason's side in the breakup

oh that's a good question I actually didn't take Jason's side in the breakup because

and I mean this with love I don't care.

You don't just find yourself like having like a

wall-up because being team Jason.

I actually do find myself having a wall-up, but that's just because I love walls.

Yeah, I love your wall, contractor.

So, I

the thing is with John Meyer is like, you really can't, even if he was dating someone like you love, you can't get excited about him.

He's like this eternal bachelor.

It's not fun.

i i i actually gave up hope on john mayer after katy perry because to me there was like so many girls up until that point that really could have been the girl for him jessica simpson jennifer anniston and after katy perry who i really believe is the one that got away for john mayyer yeah

it's hard to get excited and invested in his dating life it's such a fruitless like unhappy endeavor Well, considering we don't have much to say about this for a multitude of reasons, speaking of Katy Perry, do you see her?

Do you see Mr.

Trudeau having

her a handful of arse of Katy Perry?

I did.

Also, it's worth mentioning because I think we did not say this the last time we talked about Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau.

Huge, important, just like small detail.

Justin Trudeau is actually not the active prime minister of Canada.

So him being on a boat in California with an ass full of Katy Perry like is technically okay with me.

And because it's not like he is like a job he should be doing.

He's separated from his wife.

Oh, separated.

Yeah, I do think like you should wait till it's final to be grabbing ass.

And not just like grabbing ass, but like, you know, because you're in a bathing suit, it's skin.

It's a lot of ass, yeah.

It's skin to skin.

And this does feel like a historic event in the sense that I cannot think in recent memory of a similar example where a

politician has been caught like with a celebrity grabbing ass.

Oh, I don't know about like caught grabbing ass, but there have been a couple of politicians who have like been with celebrities like for real, like

Carla Bruni

and Nicholas Sarkozy.

Oh, actually, okay, yeah.

Also, Cheryl from

Larry David.

That's a great comparison.

Thank you.

Even though it's different.

It precedes.

Right, their marriage precedes his candidacy, whereas like Justin Trudeau is an established politician.

Yeah.

There really, there is no

Corey Booker and Rosario Dawson.

Yes,

very good example.

And they would never be caught like this.

And if they did, like, it would be inappropriate.

Like, do you know what I mean?

I'm sorry if that's like not okay to say, but it's this is inappropriate not to be such a prude like clutching my pearls, but it's like, you're the prime minister of Canada for crying.

It's not even like you're the prime minister of somewhere like sexy.

Like, it's Canada.

Yeah.

What are you doing, bro?

Yeah.

Like, put your coat on.

What are you doing?

Yeah.

It's like a little...

What's this, a boot?

Yeah.

It's a shame, though, because

it could be really, like, exciting.

There's potential for excitement.

It just, like, doesn't hit for me in the way that I think they intended.

And then they thought it was.

Correct.

Correct.

Which I think seems to happen with Katie Perry like a lot.

Well,

therein lies the issue.

Either she's been real quiet.

Wait, can we talk about J-Lo?

What about?

What about?

So, we talked about that movie premiere that you went to with her man.

The Kiss of the Spider-Woman.

And so

The Kiss of a Spider-Woman opened like this past weekend with like $1.5 million in ticket sales, like a record low.

And then all these pop crave, like, Twitter accounts that, like, literally celebrities just pay these accounts to like say stuff about them and like promote their new music.

And it's like Kiss of a Spider Death with J-Lo has early Oscar buzz.

No, it doesn't.

No, it doesn't.

And then this video of her going viral is going viral of her rehearsing.

Have you seen it?

No.

So she's like in her house with her vocal coach and she's like singing this big note and she's not like botching it, but it's like so average, like so average.

And she's like,

and then she's like.

It's like so self-righteous.

And the vocal coach is like clapping like yes, things you did.

Like, yes, you're that bitch.

It is so cringe because like the vocal performance she delivers prior to like everybody clapping for her is so mediocre.

And she's just like, she's like, the J-Lo hate, I could say, I could feel it, like, it's rising.

She's getting clowned on for this movie and then the video.

Okay, well, I don't want to pile on.

And I also

move on.

I'm not interested.

Yeah.

I'm kind of into it.

Are you ready for our next story?

Number four.

Yeah.

Peace on Earth.

Historic peace was brokered this weekend between Lauren Conrad and Kristen Cavillari.

I was like, wait, that's actually crazy.

She's making this story.

Especially the fourth story.

Like, world peace.

I was just like, I'm genuinely confused.

A-plus delivery.

Let me just tell you that.

A plus.

Thank you so much.

World Peace is the fourth story.

World Peace, like, is kind of the energy of the week.

So it makes sense that LC and Kristen Cav like got back together.

Yeah.

Lauren Conrad and Kristen Cavallari squashed a years-long feud with a Laguna Beach reunion photo.

So they didn't give us much, but they posted a picture together.

And Kristen said, everyone can put away their Team Lauren and Team Kristen shirts now.

That's all.

I'm going to break it to Kristen Cavallari.

Like, nobody has a Team Lauren or Team Kristen shirt.

Like, nobody really cares anymore.

So Kristen is about to start doing like Rewatch for the Hills.

And I know that, like, when she did Back to the Beach, they had Lauren on.

And that was the bearing of the hatchet.

It was such, like.

It was such a feeling episode.

It was huge.

And also, like, it was so good to see them like come together, like, talk about like this beef and like each of their POVs.

And like, at this point, like, people love both of them, whether, regardless of what side you were on back in the day.

Um, so, like, that we can put root for both of our faves now is really exciting.

Yeah, and it feels fair because at the time, like, it was just everyone against Kristen Cavalier.

And then, if you rewatch it as an adult, which I think a lot of people did, you're like, oh my God, Lauren's fucking insufferable and she's so rude.

And, like, sorry, Kristen's the fun one.

Kristen's the one, like, who's more sympathetic when you rewatch it, like, through adult eyes.

So, I do feel like things have, like leveled out.

Yeah.

And I hope like now in life they have much more in common than they have not in common.

Moms, business owners.

Yeah, similar sort of business, both really successful.

There's enough space for all of us.

And I'm happy to see that they're friends and that like.

Do we know the context in which they got together?

No, that's the thing.

So maybe like Lauren's going on her podcast to do a little hills recon, but they were never on the hills at the same time so the episodes that kristen's watching i don't even think lauren's in them yes they were when they were both dating steven that's oc laguna beach

oh wait sorry kristen cavalier is rewatching the hills yes like later in the hills after lauren left they brought yeah

and so she's re-watching those episodes

and recapping and like justin bobby and audrina

But I don't think Lauren was ever on when she was on.

So I don't know if they're going to recap it together.

Right.

I'd have a hard time like imagine them getting together for like social purposes.

Like if it's not like a podcast or a rewatch or something.

But I'd also have a hard time believing that Lauren would do another.

Like her going to Back to the Beach was so crazy, so big.

And it was like going to be the first and last time she ever, ever discussed any of it.

Right?

Yeah.

I don't know.

I can't see her doing it twice.

So then it was just her fun.

It looks like they're in a house.

Yeah, it looked like a party.

It definitely was giving like Elsie's house.

You think so?

Yeah, it looked like very cottage core.

Oh, Nara Smith had her baby.

I saw.

Thawney.

There's like a step stool right here, I just feel like, and a white trash can.

No, it's not Elsie's house.

Okay, not the white refrigerator.

It looks like a rental.

Ooh, okay, not the rental.

Yeah, no, but a nice one.

Sorry to whoever home this is, but you could have put the step stool away for this iconic picture of World Peace.

Nobel Peace Prize.

Whoever's house it is nominate for the Nobel.

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Our fifth and final story.

Kylie Jenner

is promoting a new Kylie Cosmetics campaign called the King Kylie Collection, hailing back to the days of yore of King Kylie.

So for her new campaign for Kylie Cosmetics, she's throwing it back to the days of teal blue hair and Snapchat.

And it's a makeup collection about King Kylie era.

If you were there for King Kylie Era, like this, that sentence would make with lots of color, crazy lips.

No, but

if you were there for it, like what I just said makes sense.

If you weren't, then I don't know how to explain it any better than that.

Honestly, this was like the era that Kylie was living in that really launched her billion-dollar beauty brand.

She was doing these like crazy eye looks, these crazy lip colors.

She would wear like, you know, teal hair.

She wore teal hair at Kim and Kanye's wedding.

Kim, you know, famously hated it.

And this was like kind of that like rebellious teen that launched this huge brand.

And that was also really the vibe aesthetically back in the day.

Like people were really into this like color.

Wow, like just crazy big palettes, very Jeffree star.

And the beauty industry has like moved on from that.

It's much more like clean girl aesthetic.

Everything's nude and shimmery now.

So on the one hand, I'm like happy that Kylie, specifically Kylie Cosmetics, like is doing something that people are talking about because the brand really has, I feel, been struggling to like make a splash recently.

But the fact that like what they're making a splash with is something like old and like silly.

And this is like a sort of memorabilia type thing doesn't bode well.

Yeah.

A couple times over the last 10 years, she's like thrown it back to King Kylie.

Like it's always like, you know, she'll put on a wig and she'll be like King Kylie.

We're like, aha.

But now clearly like a lot of money and time and resources have been invested into a King Kylie collection.

And

I know you guys know, like, I love everything Kylie does.

Like, I love her so much.

And I actually, I love Kylie Cosmetics.

I love, I love your lips kits, Kylie, still.

Like, I think that they really work for me in this life.

This is a no for me, dog.

I completely agree.

Like, I actually could not muster up one positive thing to say about this.

Like, I don't care.

Even like the video of her singing and then the Snapchat thing, like, I, like, I literally don't care.

Oh, yeah, and there's a song.

And it's also a partnership with Snapchat.

And I guess Snapchat was like germane to the king, Kylie.

Yeah, Sarah.

As one of Kylie's biggest fans, like, none of this is doing anything for me.

I know.

And I'm like waiting to feel something, but nothing's coming because I, again, don't care.

And it's a shame because I actually think Kylie Cosmetics, I don't know where they go from here here because they do have some bomb products, but like nobody cares.

The skin tint I got over the summer is like my favorite thing I've ever worn.

And skin tints are really in right now.

And there's like so many valuable ones and the Kylie's is not there.

I don't know how they get back in the game.

I just really don't think going back to like the thing that launched is going to work.

Yeah, but I also feel like aside from this King Kylie, like if this is their, you know, big stab at.

coming back, like I think it's like the wrong move in the wrong direction.

I do feel like they actually don't try that hard.

Like I wish they did.

Right.

Like you're saying the the product is good.

And I agree.

Like,

when I need new lipsticks, I go to KylieCosmetics.com because I know I like the colors.

I like the formula.

The products are good.

So it's not even like she has to brand build in that sense.

She just has to do some shit.

Like influence.

She's supposed to care a little bit more.

Like the way that Haley Bieber is like always, and not to pit women against each other.

I mean, she does her like cute videos.

I really enjoy them.

Me too, isn't it?

One

bit of the piece of the puzzle.

Yeah, when it comes to being like a celebrity founder in like the beauty space, you have to be doing what, like Selena, Haley, like throwing these events, making content with influencers, doing the TikTok brand trips.

Like, she says none of that.

Like, I don't even know what they do.

They don't do PR boxes.

Like, and if they do, they're not making waves because I do not see them.

But the way that like people are desperate to get their hands on the Rode PR, like, that's brilliant marketing.

Like, you're, you're, you don't have to, I don't think Rode has ever paid an influencer.

Yeah.

But people are dying.

Like, one of my actual claim to fames is that I get the Rode PR.

And like, if I ever get taken off of it, I will know I'm like, seriously on the outs.

Like, I'm not cool anymore.

It's a status symbol.

Kylie has like totally failed in that way.

It just feels like she doesn't really care about the brand.

And if that's the case, like, that's totally fine.

Like, seriously, just put it out.

And is it because like Cody owns 50% of it?

Like, she collects a check.

No matter how it does, she does the same.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But it should be because she was, you know, one of the early ones before everyone, before Selena, before Haley, like Kylie was the one who sold her company for a billion dollars and like was the first girly of this gen

to do it in in a real big way.

And after that,

like, bye.

I just feel like the hardest part about being in the beauty industry is like making good products that people actually need.

And they, they actually, they have that.

Yeah, their products, like, I haven't, I don't use all of them.

I think like a lot of their powders are like not great, but I like her skin tint.

I think her concealers went over really, really well.

The packaging's cute.

She's like scaled back that like hard, King Kylie, you know, color, sharp vibes.

But I don't know.

It's just, she like doesn't seem to give a shit.

But, but now she's giving a shit and it's with this.

And like, that's where, like, now I have a red flag up.

Before this, I was like, she's Kylie.

She could do what she could care as much as

she wants.

But now she's crying and it's like not good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the vibe.

So

If you're excited about this, I'm happy for you.

None of this did anything for me.

And like, and I love her to bits.

Right.

We're always just like waiting for her to do something.

And she's like putting out, you know, the videos and the promo videos and Chris picking her up from jail.

And I'm good.

I'm all set.

Thanks.

Well, let's start into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment, where every Tuesday, Jackie and I help out the swirlies in need.

Write to us, dear toasters at gmail.com or head over to our website, the toastpodcast.com, to submit to us what's going on in your life at work, a relationship issue, a family issue, a bridesmaids issue.

We cover all issues.

We don't really care as long as it's good and interesting.

And if your submission has not been read on air, it might be too long.

Feel free to send it in again, but you know, just the need to know information, but it also might have not been read because it's not interesting.

And for that, I actually really can't help you.

But congrats.

Like, nobody wants interesting problems, you know?

It's so true.

Speaking of interesting problems, our first one, I really don't know where to begin.

Dear toasters, my parents, who were swingers and previously in a thrupple, are now getting divorced.

My father has decided to stay with the woman that they were in the thrupple with.

My father and and this woman are trying to plan family events while my parents' divorce is not finalized under the false pretense that everything's totally normal.

I'm not comfortable with this, but I've had many arguments with my father about how I'm not being fair to him by not accepting this arrangement right now.

What would you do in the situation?

Attend family events with my father despite my feelings or stick to my guns and not attend?

I'm like so sorry.

I'm sorry you're going through all this.

It's really hard for me to like focus on what you're going through.

Like when I'm thinking about your mom, like having her husband left for her for like a woman that she's she's like slept with as well.

Um,

yeah, not to be like such a bitch.

Um,

I just think when you invite this sort of chaos into your home, like you really can't be shocked when something like this happens, not at all blaming your mom.

So, my mind didn't go there.

My mind went, if you were in my shoes, like, what would you do?

I genuinely, I'm having a hard time putting myself in your shoes.

Like, first of all, what goes on in your parents, like, personalize in their bed really, like, is not your business.

And I'm sorry that you even know about this because that's just hard.

Um,

and i don't think you're crazy for not wanting to hang out with your dad and his new girlfriend who also used to be your mom's girlfriend i would stick your guns here like

i'm actually speechless i don't know

like of all like the crazy outcomes of this you know ill-fated relationship like you had events like it's just not registering for me

yeah

here's what I'm saying.

But like seriously, if you don't want to go, don't go.

Like at these people, like, actually, I don't want to be judgmental.

No, you know what?

Actually, I was just on TikTok watching Alex Earle.

She's posting a lot.

So for dedication night, which is tonight, they are dancing, you know, for people who mean a lot to them and explaining.

And I thought Alex was going to be dancing with her sister Ashton, but she's actually dancing with her little sister Isabel.

who was the first kid in their family born after Alex's father cheated on her mother with Ashley Dupre, very famous situation.

He ended up marrying Ashley Dupre after, like, left his wife for Ashley, and then they had children together.

And obviously this was like a traumatic thing for Alex.

Like her dad cheated on her mom, left her mom.

And she was obviously like not ever going to talk to her dad and his wife again.

But then they had kids.

And then that's like her half sibling.

And so she's dancing for Isabel because Isabel, she says, like really healed her family.

Like the way we always talk about how their blended family is so crazy.

I could never.

Like I literally could never.

And she's dancing for her sister Isabel because they all loved Isabel so much that like it literally healed the entire family.

And we always remark on how mature it is that Alex is so, you know, close with her stepmom and that they include Alex's mom in everything.

And they really like attributed it to the little sister.

So I don't know how that helps this girl.

Honestly, it just makes it worse because it's like

contending with the fact that your parents are splitting up, even an affair that's turned into like a marriage, contending with all that's like really hard.

The thrupple piece

is just just kind of like throwing a wrench into everything.

But I will say, like, you do you.

You know what?

At this point, the adults in your life have let you down.

It's true.

Do what's best for you.

You don't owe anyone anything.

You don't need to cut people off that's still like your family.

But like, if you don't want to go to everything and you don't want to try and make this work, like, you don't have to.

You're grown.

Do what feels right for you.

Don't feel obligated to do all this stuff.

And to our listeners, like, if you're ever thinking of getting into like some extracurricular marital activities, let this situation just be like a lesson of a potential outcome.

Is it worth it?

Yeah.

Next up.

Hey, swirlies.

I need your take on some major friend group drama.

My husband and I have been part of this group for about five years, and a few weeks ago, a saga began that has us all shook.

We were at one of the couple's houses for a pool day.

One of the kids slipped on the marble patio.

Totally fine, no injuries at all.

The dad/slash husband in our group, who's known for being a jokester, says, uh-oh, we could sue.

Harmless, right?

At least that's what we thought.

Apparently, the hosts did not think it was funny at all.

In fact, they've since hired a lawyer and are now insisting that we all sign a legal waiver before stepping foot back into their home.

They claim everyone they ask totally agrees with them.

But whenever I ask people, they think this is absolutely bananas, what do you guys think?

Would you ever sign something like this just to keep hanging out at a friend's house?

Or is this friendship just toast?

Well, how nice is the pool?

You know, like,

do you, like, is it really

imperative that you get back into this house?

Like, whether it just be like, you have a lot of fun there.

Um, and of course, like,

don't just sign it.

Have someone look it over because you never know what they can be making you sign.

But, like, evaluate, like, how badly do you want to get back into this house?

Like, if it's so important to your social life that, like, you be included in this group and that you, like, you love the house so much, then yeah, I would just figure it out if they're not going to let up.

But it's similarly weird.

Like, I'm here to validate you.

It's certainly weird.

And I guess if it's going to like

be detrimental to your life and your joy and your fun, like sign it because it's not like you were going to sue anyway, even if something did happen.

But that's weird that that's where their minds went and like they just couldn't take a joke and now it's getting all legal.

Like that just is a weird dynamic.

Now and even if you sign it, it's a weird dynamic.

And if you don't sign it, then you're missing out on five years of friendship.

Although I do think you and the remaining four couples like need to all align.

Are you all signing it or are you all not signing it?

There's strength in numbers and where it will get murky is like if certain people sign it.

Well, then they'll be in.

No, like that just splits the group like because whoever doesn't sign it won't be invited to these events.

And then it's like not fun anymore.

Like then the group is officially broken up.

No, no, no.

It's officially

like Jersey Shore.

It's officially not fun anymore.

Well, of course.

Yeah.

But it's kind of like Jersey Shore.

Like when they all banded together.

to get paid the same amount per episode when they were renegotiating their contracts and they ended up getting like a million dollars an episode.

Did they all deserve a million?

No.

But there's strength in numbers, so I would find out what the crew is doing and like all agree to like either do something together or not.

But also, you never said that, like, this house is like the best house out of all the houses, and we can only go like, how about someone else host?

Right, like maybe they just isolate themselves, but it sounds like they kind of like have a leg to stand on, like, maybe they have the best house.

That was the vibe.

Yeah, I just want to say the vibe I was getting was like rich, yeah, like slip and slide, right, dividing board, outdoor kitchen, yeah, summer kitchen for sure.

It's giving decked out on the deck.

Yeah.

You could sign it.

I mean, read it.

Well, yeah, have someone read it or chat GPT.

Give it to chat.

At the very least,

don't waste money, yeah.

No, no, no.

Like, if you're not going to have a lawyer, look at it.

If you're not going to, like, at least have chat look at it.

Upload it to chat.

But have a lawyer.

Okay, this third one is funny.

Hi, I'm in a predicament and I need your advice.

I am a gay male toaster, and I recently matched with Artie from Glee on Raya.

His name is Kevin McHale.

I'm not really interested romantically, but I do want to ask him some questions about the show since I was a big fan.

How do I proceed without being rude?

Okay.

I first saw it as like, maybe you guys connect and you like ask him these questions and that could like lead to more connection.

But if you're really just like using him to get answers about Glee, like if you really don't think that you're open to any sort of connection, like you can't.

Sorry.

Yeah, if you're, if you're not open at all to any sort of romantic connection, like, just listen to his podcast.

He literally has a podcast where he talks about Glee.

I feel like there's actually nothing that's like a secret anymore.

But if you're even open, and if you're such a big Glee fan, like, wouldn't you like definitely, I feel like you could and should be open to the idea of romantically linking.

So I would go on a date with him, like, if it turns out like that you guys match and whatever.

Um,

with an open heart and of course an open mind of questions.

I agree.

And I think you can use your questions as like a really good icebreaker and segue into learning more about each other.

But if you are genuinely not at all like interested and you're just there like a reporter, don't waste this time.

Agreed.

That's unrude to Kevin self.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And also not to make everything about me, I actually did go on his podcast.

He literally has a podcast where he like sits down with fellow gleeks.

He like loves when people are invested in the show.

So I don't think you would be offending him at all.

But again, only if it's like under the guise of like there being potential for something between you two.

Yeah.

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