How Suzy Seas It with Suzy Weiss: Monday, November 17th, 2025

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Speaker 1 It's the toast.

Speaker 2 I sound amazing.

Speaker 2 Welcome back to the toast and happy Monday. I am back in New York and joined by a now two-time guest co-host, founder, culture reporter, features writer, which I'm not entirely sure what that means.

Speaker 2 It's Susie Weiss. Hey, Susie Weiss.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 Welcome home.

Speaker 2 I was straight today. And it was curly the last time you were here.
And I was so, I loved your curly hair. I'm like, look at this girl with her curly hair.
Oh, she's Scott Panache.

Speaker 1 Wait, that's very interesting because the curly hair is the story behind it. It was a train wreck.
And I was at the dry bar and I was like six minutes late.

Speaker 1 And it was one of those things where it's like, the system won't let me our corporate popping.

Speaker 1 And I was like, the system, I'm like, I see the blow dryer just do it and it was just at the end of a long freaky weekend and i cried hysterically and they ended up doing curly hair which i hated but you loved it and it got me back here it was my clue for you today i remember being so like taken by your hair isn't it funny how man plans and god laughs

Speaker 2 isn't it and i feel like you're here again because of your curly hair thank you okay well now i feel like self-conscious of my no no no zo out your blowout you're brigitte bardot like you're so fabulous like i have a blowout too we're just girls with blowouts we're just girls with it's like i look at the Mormon

Speaker 1 wives and they all have the like beach wave.

Speaker 2 The Utah hair.

Speaker 1 Except, and maybe this is New York hair.

Speaker 2 1,000%. I love that analysis.
Their hair is very, like, it's kind of the prototype of the woman, women that they are. And this is very New York blowout.

Speaker 2 Like we're so busy, we have to get our hair blown out. We won't wash it for a week.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 We're so busy.

Speaker 2 I just was watching your episode with Jax where I feel like I learned so much about you. Mostly that you are one of four girls.

Speaker 2 You are the youngest, but you definitely take on a role in life and in business as the claudia of your family because you work with your sister barry you are one of the founders of the free press and i just want to say like i feel like you don't get enough credit for that do you feel that way too No, I think I get like a perfect amount of credit.

Speaker 2 I feel like everybody's like Barry Weiss, the free press, but it's like Susie Weiss, the free press.

Speaker 1 You know, Susie Weiss, the free press, Nellie Bull's, the free press, my sister-in-law too.

Speaker 1 Three co-founders, but when, you know, when you're in like a sister family business, like

Speaker 1 anytime one person gets flowers, it's like, and thank you so much. I call it funeraling because people will come up to me and they'll be like, you you know, your sister's such an inspiration.

Speaker 1 And I go, and we miss her every day.

Speaker 1 And she's just, she was a light. Yeah.
She was a light. And we, because they, because sometimes people are just like, it just means so much to me as if the person's dead.
Right.

Speaker 1 It's like, she's still with us.

Speaker 2 Right. And she is.
Yes, she is.

Speaker 1 But I'd definitely rather be in my position sitting across from you on the terse. Yes.
As opposed to

Speaker 2 sort of like takes on all the like. horrible anti-Semitic tropes about like Jews and media.
The internet like sort of puts on Barry Weiss. Yes.
How's she dealing with that?

Speaker 1 She's sort of like,

Speaker 1 like, I think kind of reached escape velocity with that because it's just, it's so much the point where you kind of like level up and you don't like see it anymore.

Speaker 1 Because as you know, as someone who's online, if you actually allowed it to penetrate, you wouldn't be able to get out of bed. Like you'd be on the bathroom floor.
So true.

Speaker 2 So really good spirits. I love to hear that.
So much has changed, not only your hair since the last time you were here, but you've also been acquired, which was huge news.

Speaker 2 It actually made the Fast Five. Did it? Yes.
Free press press acquired by Paramount.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Paramount

Speaker 2 for women in media. We love to see women-owned businesses getting, you know, bought out.
Like, tell me how life is different now that you've been acquired. And it is a dream of mine to be acquired.

Speaker 1 Is it?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Only for a large sum of money.

Speaker 1 Wait, I should say, congratulations. These media mogula says.
Yes. Meeting.
Yes. And talking to each other.
So is yours. Of course, of course.
Yours

Speaker 1 made it across my transom, dear media. Oh, we did?

Speaker 2 Majorly. Oh, that's huge.

Speaker 1 Just girls, just busy girls. Look at that.
Just busy girls. How's my life changed? Not at all.

Speaker 2 I'll take a cab home. You live in the same apartment? No, yeah.

Speaker 1 I take a cab home. I'm so, you know how amazing it is to take a cab? I do.

Speaker 1 My whole life is cat, is trains. Apple Pay.
Well, now it's Apple Pay.

Speaker 2 Oh, your whole life was trains and now you, now you're.

Speaker 1 Now I pay. Well, I pay with a card, but I take the train home.
That's all that's changed. I do believe in like marketing things with tokens.

Speaker 1 Like.

Speaker 1 Not like I'm buying my own engagement ring, but like.

Speaker 2 Oh, please don't. Yeah.
Like, that's my, that's one of my personal.

Speaker 2 I'm actually very modern in a lot of ways but i'm extremely traditional in other ways and i don't believe like women should propose to men i don't believe women should buy rings for men like okay no um and that's like a hot take of mine like one of my favorite books ever i was like reading it at the very end the girl proposed to the boy and like i gave it one star like i it's just one of a trope like a modern feminist trope i hate so i i like that you brought that up well i there was a story i worked on a lot or a big story that i wrote that felt like a terced story, which was about lab grown diamonds.

Speaker 2 That was on my list of things to talk to you about because you did a huge piece. And by the way, I saw it everywhere.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Yeah.

Speaker 2 About, and what was the overall thesis of the piece?

Speaker 1 Like the thesis, the headline was diamonds or whatever.

Speaker 2 Right. Which is such a fun thing.

Speaker 1 Which is such a fun headline.

Speaker 2 I know you worked at the New York Post. I worked.
I definitely got that. It was very post-inspired.

Speaker 1 But basically, it was just...

Speaker 1 Kind of like how you can press a button, as we know, and get a skinny body that goes Empic or press a button and get your personal assistant.

Speaker 1 You can now press a button and get a five-carat diamond that is not a fake diamond. It's pure carbon.
I mean, there is no difference.

Speaker 1 So it was just sort of about how that's affecting people in the diamond district,

Speaker 1 which is an amazing, hilarious part of New York.

Speaker 2 And did you go down there and like talk to people? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the funniest part. It's like the 1980s.
It's so weird. It's untouched

Speaker 2 by modern times.

Speaker 1 It is completely untouched and they're so funny and they're all telling me different things. Yeah.
Because I'm like, are their heads coming off? Like,

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 lab-grown diamonds are, De Beers basically had a, ran a cartel. They could decide how much a diamond costs a natural diamond.
There's no cartel with lab-grown diamonds.

Speaker 2 So the market was just being flooded.

Speaker 1 And so it's like, you know,

Speaker 1 you can get a 10-karat diamond, like it's a commodity at this point, which drives the price of natural diamonds down.

Speaker 2 Right. And, but it's also like a very hot button issue, like on social media.
Would you accept one?

Speaker 1 Are you going to lie about one?

Speaker 2 Would you lie about it? Would you accept it? But also, like, it's in some circles looked down upon if people know. If people.

Speaker 1 That's the

Speaker 1 but that's like, I talked to one guy in the diamond district who said these like 60-year-old women were coming in who had like, you know, tennis bracelets and like the whole thing.

Speaker 1 And they would say, like, real. Real.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But they would say, this 20-nothing sitting across from me at lunch has bigger diamonds than me.
Right.

Speaker 1 So now I need to buy myself the lab-grown diamonds to keep up with this, you know, young buck who's like 22 or whatever.

Speaker 2 It has driven down the price of natural diamonds. Yes.

Speaker 1 Gold has gone up. Gold is really expensive, but natural diamonds have gone down.

Speaker 2 I think also if you're like a jewelry designer in the space and you're not getting on board, like you will be left behind. It sort of feels like TikTok.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to get on.

Speaker 2 That's what I keep telling you jockeying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like the CCP might have a camera into your bedroom, but it looks left behind.

Speaker 1 But then the lab-grown designers are kind of coming in. Like Leandra Medina at Man Rappeller does like these lab-grown diamonds for Flalo.
She did a diamond ring for your toe.

Speaker 1 She's really, really fun. And she's just making like the most amazing things.
You could make a dining room table out of lab tiaras.

Speaker 2 It's It's so true.

Speaker 1 Do you, what is your take?

Speaker 2 Well, so I don't have a take. Well, my take is a little biased because like when I was in the business of procuring diamonds, which I'm not currently in that era, no jewelry fits my fingers right now.

Speaker 1 Procuring diamonds for your own self.

Speaker 2 For myself. Yes.
Yes. It was before really lab growing.
Like when I got engaged, it was not a thing.

Speaker 2 And I feel like for so long, when I was thinking of like diamond alternatives, I was thinking of like moissonite, which was like very like what the Mormon women were doing.

Speaker 2 And I saw it all like with these bloggers online. But I feel like I haven't really bought diamonds since they became super famous.

Speaker 2 And now if I was going to acquire a piece, like I don't know what I would do.

Speaker 1 I really don't. Well, that's the thing.
It's like maybe for an engagement ring, you would do lab-grown, but if you were like a tennis bracelet. A tennis bracelet.
I want to buy this thing for myself.

Speaker 1 I don't want to make it like a big, I don't want insurance attached to it or anything. You might go lab grown.

Speaker 2 I have to imagine like next time I buy a piece, like I might be, I might be swayed into buying lab grown, as Jackie lovingly calls me cheap. I'm not cheap.
I'm just much more

Speaker 2 financially

Speaker 2 savvy than she is. Prudent.
Love the word prudent.

Speaker 2 So her calling me cheap is actually like, she's the most extravagant, indulgent person I know. So I'm probably not cheap.
I'm probably just like normal. Yeah.
I would probably dive in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She has taste. She has excellent taste.
Yes, she does. Like I don't, I don't buy anything without running it by her first.
And of course, she's never told me no.

Speaker 2 So she's not a great person to run things by, you know?

Speaker 1 Well, she was like, there was like an $80 chapstick or something. You guys are going to be talking about it.

Speaker 2 So let's hear about the Le Mer $80 chapstick, which she posted that it was $60 and it actually was $80.

Speaker 2 Now, I can't even be mad at her because ever since we had this long discussion on the toast about the Le Mer chapstick, which by the way, is the best chapstick on the market and you will put it on so infrequently that it adds up to about $80 of Aquaphore.

Speaker 2 I'm being dead serious.

Speaker 2 That conversation on the toast did land me on the Le Maire PR list, which I'm not mad about because like, I don't know that they use gifts.

Speaker 2 They don't do gifting, but I've now gotten two big boxes of Le Mer, like four chapsticks. Let me tell you, I haven't even gone through one of them.
It is an elite.

Speaker 2 And we did say, I know a lot of people bought the Le Maire chapstick because of us. And I feel good about encouraging people because while it does seem extravagant, it's actually not.

Speaker 2 Like how many of those tube chapsticks have you bought in your your life and not even finished?

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm gonna guess

Speaker 2 $80 worth.

Speaker 1 Oh, certainly beyond that.

Speaker 2 I still have the same first Le Maire thing that Jackie encouraged me to buy. So, while she is nuts, there is a method to the Jackie O madness.

Speaker 1 But there's also, it's a small luxury. It's like you, you probably can't go on vacation this year, but you can get a Le Mer chapstick, and that's a recession indicator, but it's okay.

Speaker 2 Yes, there are a lot of recession indicators happening right now. Like Rachel

Speaker 2 over Bethany, Rachel Zoe joining the Real House Size of Beverly Hills. What do you make of that? It's also like a divorce indicator.
I think divorces are expensive, but it is really crazy.

Speaker 2 Did Rachel Zoe get divorced? Yes, from Roger.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But is what, Bember, who would she have that feud with? Andrew? Brad Gresky.
Brad, yes.

Speaker 2 Yes, who I believe they've squashed it, but I know like to her grave she hates him.

Speaker 1 That is like true OG reality TV beef that like you could tell was completely real.

Speaker 2 Right. Which I guess when you think about it, it's not so crazy that she's going to be on Housewives because she did become really famous.
Rachel Zoe on Bravo. Of course.
I used to watch it.

Speaker 2 It was so good.

Speaker 1 All the shoes lined up.

Speaker 2 Everything was bananas. Everything was made.

Speaker 1 It was touching my chest.

Speaker 2 And then Brad like left and took some clients. It was like really crazy.

Speaker 1 I think she's a great addition to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because she knows the game of reality TV in a way where I fear that some of the housewives kind of don't.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but women who don't know reality TV make the best like first and second seasons because they don't know how bad it can get and like how poorly they can be edited.

Speaker 2 You know, they're kind of susceptible.

Speaker 1 Or it could just go super goofy like Kathy Hilton.

Speaker 2 Well, yes. And we actually do have a story today about Kathy Hilton.
BravoCon was over the weekend. A lot of news coming out.
Nothing like crazy. I feel like years past have been crazier.

Speaker 1 But real things.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Yes, actually. I forget, was it last year or the year before? I've been twice now.

Speaker 2 When it was in New York, which was so much easier, I moderated a panel, which honestly, I feel like I don't talk about and brag enough about. No.

Speaker 2 And I hosted a big one too. It was like a bunch of OG housewives and producers like Kenya Moore, Kyle Richards, like a lot of major ones.
And it was like probably the most fun I've ever had.

Speaker 2 Did you feel like Andy? I did. I I did.
I felt so nervous. I actually don't really get nervous about anything, but it just, it wasn't my space.

Speaker 2 You know, I was like coming in as like an outsider almost. And the fans for Bravo are really scary.
Like they just care a lot, which I love. They're zealots.
And I wanted to do a good job.

Speaker 2 You know, so that was probably the last time I was really truly nervous about something. I had a blast.
Oh, and it's so many people. It was at the Javit Center.
It was huge. That business.

Speaker 2 Then the year after it was in Vegas and I wasn't going to go, but like, I got a couple of brand deals and the trip sort of paid for itself. Um, thanks State Farm.

Speaker 2 So I went and I just like, I don't even know what I did. I didn't host a panel and it was super fun.
If you're a Bravo fan, like it's really fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it seems amazing. It's like the Super Bowl for women.

Speaker 2 And it's really well executed. Like, I don't know.
I mean, they have a ton of brand sponsors. It must be like a $10 million event.

Speaker 2 Like, the just the sheer amount of thought put into things, like, I actually really appreciate.

Speaker 2 And as a fan now, I'm really looking forward to like all the Watch What Happens lives, all the things we're going to be able to watch on TV.

Speaker 1 Well, it's crazy because we've been watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And I keep watching it and being like, I can't believe I'm not watching Bravo right now.
That's how good this is.

Speaker 2 So, Hulu, Jackie and I have recently been talking about like the

Speaker 2 landscape of reality TV and how Hulu's in its sleigh era. I know everyone has their eras.
Like Netflix had it for a while with like Love is Blind, Too Hot to Handle, Perfect Match.

Speaker 2 But I do feel like they never evolve. They sort of rest on the laurels of season one.
Right. Love is Blind.
Whereas we've got Love Thy Nator, we've got Kardashians.

Speaker 2 We've got Sex Lives of Mormon Wives all on Hulu.

Speaker 1 Wow. It's actually unreal.
Wait, what? Oh, Peacock. Love Island's on Peacock.

Speaker 2 Have you been watching,

Speaker 2 what the fuck is the show called?

Speaker 2 Succession Girl on Peacock? Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, but everyone's talking about it, and it's like big little lies. Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes. It's like, she gets kidnapped.

Speaker 1 Spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 The kid gets kidnapped.

Speaker 1 I assume that happens in like the first episode. I haven't seen it.
It's three minutes. Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 That's how the show kicks off. She goes to pick up her kid from a play date based on a true story.
The kid isn't there. Come on.
Such a good show. It's all her fault.
That's what it's called.

Speaker 1 Highly recommend.

Speaker 1 I don't like that because I think it's going to encourage people to be more like helicopter parenty and safetyist. And

Speaker 1 we need to like move away from that. Move away from that because like it is very unlikely that your kid is going to get kidnapped.
Knock one.

Speaker 2 It could ever be too safe.

Speaker 1 Do you, do you have like terror? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 I'm even before I became a mom, I'm an extremely scared person. I'm afraid of the dark.
I'm afraid of being alone. I'm never home alone.

Speaker 2 I watched a lot. I blame it on the fact that I watched a lot of Lawn Otter growing up.
And like, I just saw like a lot of really crazy dark things that don't really happen that much.

Speaker 2 I saw them almost on a daily basis. And I shouldn't have been watching so much SVU and such a

Speaker 1 when your brain was like literally oatmeal.

Speaker 2 A sponge. Right.
So that's why I blame. So I'm just like an extremely, extremely scared person.
I also never lived alone. You know, I went from the house that I grew up in to living with Ben.

Speaker 2 So like I get really, really scared all the time. Like I always think there's a murderer in the closet because there is.

Speaker 2 And it's definitely not gotten better.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yes, just having a kid. Yeah.
Wait, can we go back to fans for a second? Yeah. Because I don't want to blow smoke up your ass, but no, blow.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 toasters that come up to old Seuss, the only people who come up to me in public are toasters.

Speaker 2 Well, would you say you're like a front-facing person? You write a lot.

Speaker 1 I write a lot, but I'm not on camera a lot, but I guess I just didn't know how many toasters there were when I tell you clean, poised, courteous, nice. I love that guy's rich.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 rich girls coming up to me. You were so great.
It's so good to see you, enjoy your meal. Just like nice, normal interaction.
I'm sure people come up to you all the time in public.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you like feel about it.

Speaker 2 Oh, live for it. Can't get enough of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like he doesn't want that.

Speaker 2 Anyone who says that is a liar. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 It's like, I love you so much. It's like, stop.
Yeah. Like, I need my private.

Speaker 2 What I could live without, though, is someone being like, I don't really know you, but my roommate loves you. I'm like, okay, well, thanks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, my God.
That's really sweet. Love you.
Oh, that's ripe. Sometimes people come up to me and they're like, I read so much crazy stuff about Barry.
And it's like, thank you.

Speaker 2 That's really nutty.

Speaker 2 It's like they're not offering the compliment but you you're kind of like um poised to say thank you but it's there there was nothing to say thank you and you're just like sort of like hard smiling yeah I'm just like it's like a meaningless like yeah

Speaker 1 or my roommate hates you and it's like perfect perfect thank you

Speaker 2 thanks so much secret lives and Mormon wives secret lives and Mormon wives the best show on TV hands down I'm um I want to say like four episodes in and it's so funny I have such a warm feeling in my heart about the show I watched season one when it came out and loved it and then season two came out right as I gave birth and it really was the show that helped me get through like those first two really hard weeks of breastfeeding.

Speaker 2 I just would put it on and a whole episode would go by and be like, oh my God, I did it.

Speaker 2 Like, I feel like it, I actually love the show for that reason, in addition to it just being like an amazing show. And now I love that Jackie's having that same experience.

Speaker 2 She hasn't started season three, but season three is coming out at the exact time she gave birth. Awesome.
And so I just love these women. I love the show.

Speaker 2 And oh my God, like just when you think they can't, they do.

Speaker 1 I mean, I imagine it's what a man feels watching like the Chicago Bulls in the 90s or whatever. It's like, this is Picasso painting.

Speaker 1 Like it does not just get rhetoric as it was happening yes yes you're like this is not this is solar eclipse yeah like this reality tv because i feel like like let's not forget we were kind of in a dark age definitely with real house ice in new york the last season before they cleared the decks carol razzuel's whole plot point was that she ran a marathon that would not even make it into the credits no there's secret lines like have been peaks and valleys of reality tv specifically bravo even though bravo doesn't get enough credit for like inventing this whole universe some real um there have been lulls and i think some shows like the scandival was huge belly van der Pomperl has been dead for two years um so like

Speaker 2 yes i agree the mormon women who work so hard like

Speaker 2 they have taken and they've leveled everyone up like certain shows are not cutting it anymore do you see what the mormon lives war wise mormon lives wives women are doing you know yeah exactly it's like it like You need to get divorced, but have it all on air.

Speaker 1 I mean, you saw in the episode, Jesse's whole family is waiting downstairs as

Speaker 1 as her and Jordan are deciding up to take a break. And it's like, this is crazy.

Speaker 2 So that's what I want to talk about because, and you know what, that's actually a great segue into my first story, which I just chose a random story because I want to talk about the secret lives of Mormon wives.

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Speaker 1 Okay, first stop. I do.

Speaker 2 So, we're getting an update on Jesse and husband Jordan's, um, like where they stand after their affair.

Speaker 2 They also put their house for sale, which I think also people thought was like a divorce indicator.

Speaker 2 So, the star Jesse confirmed on the show's third season that she had an emotional affair with Martiana Brunette during her. His last name was actually Brunette.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm Susie Redhead.

Speaker 1 Like, sorry, I'm turning like chocolate brown.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesse shared that she and Jordan are in a much better place.
She said, we are back together. She told Elite Daily in an interview published November 14th.
So what's today?

Speaker 2 Three days ago. All right.
I guess that's like pretty recent. I thought it was like a little bit later.
Jesse and Jordan, who shared two kids together, five and two, said, marriage is hard.

Speaker 2 Relationships in general aren't easy. I just wanted to know that no matter what, whether we ended up together or not, I gave it my all.
I can say I don't regret trying.

Speaker 2 She also recently told E News, I think a situation like ours is going to take time. It's not going to be something that's just amazing overnight.
And a part of that process has been going to therapy.

Speaker 1 So MP factor is so big in this show.

Speaker 2 I know. Well, not it working on Miss Taylor Frankie Paul.
Like she's a healed individual.

Speaker 1 Oh, when she, when she goes to Jesse, she's like, stay in your power. Stay in your power at the hydro jug brand activation.

Speaker 2 I'm loving all the brand activation. I wonder if like the brands pay extra to be featured, even though it's becoming like a part of the storyline.

Speaker 2 Well, it's like, well, we have Minky Couture event and then we have Jet Set by Akta event. Like I'm obsessed with the events.
And that really is what like being an an influencer is like.

Speaker 2 Like your work is at night and I'm loving it. But I do wonder if the brands have to pay extra to be featured on the show for sure.

Speaker 1 I would assume they have to pay extra to have a fight at their event.

Speaker 2 Right. I mean, you're the Bloom Bar Hydro Drug event.
Right. No, but the Jet Set

Speaker 2 when Demi was like, I'm going live. Like that was so crazy.
And the producer had to talk to her. Like, that was great for Jet Set.
What the fuck is Jet Set? I almost Googled it.

Speaker 2 Like, I got curious by ACTA, ACTA by Jet Set.

Speaker 2 I'm just really curious because I've posted about it on my Instagram about Jesse and Jordan and I got like kind of split takes.

Speaker 2 What your take on the affair, on him, the emotional abuse, like whose side are you on?

Speaker 1 I'm on Jesse's side because she is such a girl's girl. Like any girl who does hair and it's just like she is very loyal.

Speaker 1 I am on Taylor Frankie Paul's side that they shouldn't have invited Marciano Brunette to dinner. And she's like doing her hair to meet Marciano in St.
George.

Speaker 2 It's like, we've lost the plot. So I'm 100% team Jesse, especially when she like told us about the emotional abuse.

Speaker 2 I was like, I feel like sometimes people use words that like certain words have lost their meaning because people are like, well, that's abuse. Well, it's not.
Right.

Speaker 2 So when she said that, I was like, okay. I was like, let's see what she's talking about.
And every, like the second she said it, I'm like, oh. There is something so sinister and dark about him.
Right.

Speaker 2 Especially the fact that she makes all the money. She cleans the house.
She takes, she does fucking, what the fuck does he do every day? Like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 The second she pointed it out, I'm like, and works out with Dakota. Correct.
In his tank top. Yeah.
I was like, no, there's something extremely dark here.

Speaker 2 I really, really do not mess with him like at all. And yes, I just need to say I'm 100% team Jesse, but but her behavior in St.
Charge was really crazy.

Speaker 2 Like getting all giddy and like meeting up with Marciano. And I like that they, that they brought on Marciano.
Her determination to clear her name makes me believe her 100%.

Speaker 1 But it's like, she's like, I need to clear my name and prove that I didn't have sex with him. Let's all take a lie detector test.
And I'm like, you're making this half the episode.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Even though like, I kind of like that lie detector woman who would not go on camera.

Speaker 1 Oh, Matters of National Security. Just show.
Every second is so busy. She goes, that's actually for Matters of National Security.

Speaker 2 Everyone has the same lie detector. That guy, he does all these YouTubers, all the reality TVs.
He's been on Kardashians. He did Lisa Vanderpump.

Speaker 2 Anyone who's ever taken a lie detector on tests, it's that one guy with a mustache. He was on Carpool Karaoke.
Like, I.

Speaker 1 Do you, have you ever taken a lie detector test? Not, have you? No, but they're not admissible in my court. They're not real.

Speaker 2 So that's the, that's like the kind of the unspoken thing happening here. They are not 100% valid.
No. They're not admissible.
That's not like, you can't use it as evidence, right?

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Right, because a true, they measured like your heart rate. A true sociopath can can like stay calm and look like they're telling the truth.

Speaker 1 But also, who is a television reality star if not a sociopath? Correct.

Speaker 2 So I agree with you. I'm so team Jessie, but like honestly, she was being really crazy.

Speaker 2 And I have such mixed feelings because like up until this point, I really have not been riding for Macy and Michaela. I feel like they've been mean girls the whole time.

Speaker 2 And now everyone's like, they're mean girls. Well, it's like, actually, no, now I like them.
Like,

Speaker 2 person, they're being mean to Jordan. Like, I feel like the last two seasons, especially Michaela, she was so like what we call a fibis and a punim.

Speaker 2 Like source, like when she vibes, like she had like rosacea or something.

Speaker 2 No, I know, but like I didn't mean in a physical sense, I meant more in like uh like the way her face was always like curmudgeon-y. Yeah, she's so mean, too.

Speaker 2 And now everyone's like, Michaela and Macy are mean girls. I'm like, Well, yeah, we've been saying that the whole time, but now they're actually like putting their efforts to

Speaker 1 their powers for good.

Speaker 2 Yes, and like I hate Jordan, and I'm sorry, him inviting everyone over to a barbecue at his house to get people on his side in a house that he didn't pay for and meat that he didn't pay for and a tank top that was too small.

Speaker 1 I was shook when Layla says, Did you rent this out for the afternoon?

Speaker 2 oh i don't i don't even think she meant it to be so like that was the most cutting ticket like fell out of her mouth oh ben ben was like not watching he was like scrolling on his phone i'm like oh he was like what's wrong i'm like no that was just so crazy crazy and she i feel like up until this point her presence on the show has kind of felt random yeah she doesn't know who she is she's so young she's a mom of two and i think when she came on the show she was 21 like that's crazy her body is so oh my god i feel sick watching the show as a post postpartum woman like it's not right layla's body is unbelievable it's like oh supermar just walked in it's unbelievable insane oh i feel like i could throw up every time i see her um but i feel like this year she really is like stepping her pussy up she's been amazing she's putting her whole bussy yes i love how um loyal she's been to jesse she brought up that thing and a lot of the women like claim to be loyal and then bring something up at a party and like whatever she like pulled jessie aside in the first episode like took her to the car said like this is what marciana was saying like i feel like she's been she stood up really hard for jesse against demi who showed up also with curly hair I mean people were joking online.

Speaker 2 It was like, she's not allowed to go to Jay-C Style. So like she had to come up with her natural hair.

Speaker 1 I was cracking up.

Speaker 2 jay style i need to get my hair done to jay-c-style what do you think about her dating her ex's brother oh but you might not have gotten that far chase i think his name is chase yes um but who's dating mason layla's dating layla likes um miranda's ex's brother right and that's why she invited him to her party that was it maybe yeah yeah um i thought he was cute yeah i don't know these guys dad talk

Speaker 2 Ben could not get over Tad Talk. He was listening with half an ear.
And when we sat down, he was like, we watched something else. I'm like, no.
And he was like, okay, I'm going to score by fun.

Speaker 2 I'm like, okay, bye, have fun. Meanwhile, every 10 seconds, he's like, did they just say dad talk? That's so lame.
I'm like, no, it's so embarrassing.

Speaker 1 Do you think, how do you think Ben would fare in Dad Talk?

Speaker 2 That's an amazing question.

Speaker 1 I think he'd do great. I think he would love it.
He would love it.

Speaker 2 1,000%. Like, I think he would thrive.
I don't know if he would feel good about being like part of an ensemble.

Speaker 2 Ben is very much like a star on his own, but I think he would make it work just for the engagement, for the likes, for the followers.

Speaker 1 Exactly. 1,000%.

Speaker 1 It's the best. I honestly just hope Mom Talk could survive this.

Speaker 2 It's unclear. Oh, and I also love how nobody's on the show.
Like, literally, there was three girls for the first couple of episodes. Finally, Miranda just got back in.
No Jen, no Whitney, no Demi.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because Jen moved to Arizona, but then she writes back.

Speaker 2 She's coming back. She's like back in the part that I'm up to is she's like slowly coming back into the fold.
I actually really like her.

Speaker 1 Jen Affleck?

Speaker 2 Yeah, she just has like a chip on her shoulder about the fact that like everyone was talking about her marriage and like. Jesse was going through this thing in private.

Speaker 1 Well, because she sort of did, she was like, I'm a perfect Mormon wife, but like it wasn't. And Zach was like, we need to be more decent and bad.

Speaker 2 Like, it all happened on camera. So, I don't know how she expected us not to talk about it.
The whole thing was insane, but I do think Jesse's like actually being really mature.

Speaker 2 And, like, when they had that conversation at, I forget what event it was. Um,

Speaker 2 I thought the way like she handled herself was like, I was projecting, I'm really sorry. She kind of disarmed Jen, who was like, gonna come after her.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's a professional reality star, that Jesse.

Speaker 1 Oh, she's unbelievable. She's going places.

Speaker 2 So, um, do you watch, speaking of Mormons, do you watch um sister wives ever?

Speaker 1 Sister Wives, this guy, oh my, I recognize that guy, but I'm not you're missing out.

Speaker 2 I'm not from.

Speaker 1 What was that big show? It was almost like Soprano's Level, how much people loved it.

Speaker 2 Big Love. Yes, I never watched it.

Speaker 2 That was a scripted version. If I think what this unscripted, I highly recommend if you ever want to go down like a really dark hole, check out Sister Wives.
They had like 30 seasons on TLC.

Speaker 2 And it actually, it's recently taken a turn.

Speaker 1 And it's true plural marriage.

Speaker 2 Yes, it's the ugliest man you've ever seen with four wives.

Speaker 1 Are they polygamous?

Speaker 2 They're polygamous and they had to like flee. I forget where they lived.
I think it was in Utah, where polygamy is actually illegal.

Speaker 2 And they were like living in secret. Only one of them is like legally married to him, the first wife, and then the rest were just like, you know, in God's eyes.

Speaker 1 Are they Mormon? Yes. Why are Mormons so good at this?

Speaker 2 They're fun to. Yes, I know.

Speaker 2 Bloggers and reality stars, Mormons make the best.

Speaker 1 I think Mormons are just kind of good at everything right now. Like they're very, it's a very, similar to Judaism, like a really kind of like cohesive community.

Speaker 2 And I think people also just find it interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're so fascinated by it. And it's like, what? You built a city and it's like, it's an American religion.
So is reality TV. Right.
So it's like the two American religions coming together.

Speaker 2 And am I also right in thinking it is also one of the newer religions in terms of like how long it's been around?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think like 18 like Joseph Smith.

Speaker 2 Right. Who was like low-key like not that long ago?

Speaker 1 No, and he buried the

Speaker 1 book. The tablets.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then he lost them.

Speaker 2 And then of course the book of the Awkward,

Speaker 2 which was, I think, huge for like American interest in the religion in general. It was so good.

Speaker 1 But they're very like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just like them. And I think it's part of their religion to like present their lifestyle in a positive way.

Speaker 2 So there's kind of like a religious aspect to the whole thing yeah it's also interesting how real households of salt lake city and secret lives and mormon wise are so different when they're essentially the same show so different like a group of Mormon women or ex-Mormon all with complicated relationships to the church um but the shows like seriously could not be more different and the byproducts of each show like Lisa Barlow she's not like anyone on secret lives oh wait who am I think who's the Jewish one on um Meredith Marks Meredith Marks we love Lisa Barlow we also we do we do she is Jewish converted to Mormon yes yes yes

Speaker 2 okay so let's do, now that we're speaking of Bravo, let's do a little Bravocon recap. A couple of things happened, a lot that I find out interesting, but a couple that I don't.

Speaker 2 Vicki Gomelson has been offered her orange back. So they brought her out on stage, offered her her orange, said, Would you like to come back? When she left, it was such a big deal.

Speaker 2 She was like, I think one of the first, no, maybe Nina Leaks, but OGs to be let go.

Speaker 2 And she also did not go quietly. She was really nasty at the reunion.
But they brought her back.

Speaker 1 Orange County. Orange County.

Speaker 2 The original original. The original, original OG.
The news was delivered by Andy Cohen during the taping of the Bravos, which is like an award award show they do at BravoCon on Friday.

Speaker 2 And while Vicki was on stage, Andy made a surprise appearance, presented her with an orange, and asked Vicki, would you join us as a housewife?

Speaker 2 It kind of feels like she's been inducted as a member into the Grand Ol Opry when they like surprise you and they're like, Will you become a member of the Grand Aule Opry?

Speaker 2 And it's like this big, stupid thing.

Speaker 2 It's funny. Then they should make that a tradition at like the Bravos of like giving someone their orange back.
I feel like actually OC is a unique franchise.

Speaker 2 Because it could have gone the way of New York and Jersey, one of the OG franchises where where some of the women sort of just like phased out. But they like

Speaker 2 before, almost before they got to that place, they brought back a couple of old people, they got some newer people, and they kind of saved the show.

Speaker 2 I don't consider it one of like the duds, but they got very close.

Speaker 1 But then that's sort of how they did with Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 Yes, like when they brought back Heather Dubrow, I feel like that was really like helped a lot. They got a lot of new interesting women.

Speaker 2 And then like Gina and Emily, who I know people like hate and love, they are good reality stars.

Speaker 2 So I feel like OC was really unique in the sense that they didn't fall off the cliff that Jersey and New York fell off of.

Speaker 2 I don't know at this current state, like what Vicki is going to do for the franchise, but it's good for morale.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did she accept?

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course. Oh my God.
Imagine if she didn't. I love that.
I wonder if she knew.

Speaker 1 I'm sure she knew because they have to organize the contracts ahead of time. Right, right.
Well, that's another interesting aspect of.

Speaker 1 all of these shows is that they're now talking about the contracts. Yes.
And it's like it used to be that those things were separate.

Speaker 1 Like early Kardashians, they would never really talk about like their brand deals. Dills.
I was talking like a Bookman. That's how I feel.

Speaker 1 My healing journey.

Speaker 2 I'm cracking now, but you're right. It was like sort of unspoken.

Speaker 1 And now it's like part of the season. Like Whitney's like, oh, yeah, I'm only filming because one of our cast members was off for Dancing with the Stars.
And like, I wanted

Speaker 1 a role on a scripted show. The whole thing, it's so interesting.

Speaker 2 I love that. Like the breaking of the fourth wall.
I feel like reality shows should have done that. years ago.

Speaker 2 And anytime they'd ever done it, like when Courtney and Kim got in that crazy huge fight and the makeup was on the wall and they had to like cut the cameras it felt so real like and it's reality tv like let's do more of that i agree and i love how every season of the mormon wives starts off with like some women missing because they're clearly negotiating their contracts right differently and i find it interesting that they don't all negotiate together i know but it's also like don't you understand that the show it's it's a show because it's potatoes Small potatoes compared to what they do, the platform that it gives you.

Speaker 1 Exactly. But it's like, there's like so many entities.

Speaker 1 There's the church, there's the show, show and there's mom talk and these are all like kind of loosely defined institutions that they're like kind of working part of right um but yeah she's like she's not part of the show but she is part of mom talk or whatever it is right what does that mean like how do that how does one differentiate how can you be in mom talk but not on the show i think taylor frankie paul decides whether or not you're in mom talk and the hulu producers decide whether you're not on the show and God decides whether or not you're in the church.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 2 That's really beautiful. I do find it interesting that she's very much still the leader of mom talk.
Yeah. And like like nothing will change that.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Because she also doesn't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 She's an incredible leader. Yeah.
They should put her in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 What do you make of her as the bachelorette?

Speaker 1 Love.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's also a lot of crossover. It's like that coming is crushing.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The way that they throw the Dancing with the Stars girls, the Mormon Lives girls onto ABC for

Speaker 2 Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 1 They bring in the Vanderpump people.

Speaker 2 The Nayner girls are now at the events with the Mormon girls. The synergy is synergizing and it's beautiful to see.

Speaker 1 It is absolutely synergizing. Taylor Frankie Paul is going to make an amazing bachelorette.
I also love like a bachelorette with kids.

Speaker 2 Yes, dynamic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, interesting. They can bring in Dakota for like a day.

Speaker 1 I know, but like.

Speaker 2 Watch the Nader show. Love the Nader.
No.

Speaker 1 It's incredible. But they were influencers to reality show.

Speaker 2 Models. Models slash inference.

Speaker 1 Because I feel like that doesn't usually work. It did not work with the D'Amilios.

Speaker 2 Okay, let me tell you when the show came out, I was like, literally, who cares? Like, I like Brooks Nader. She's like a pretty model, but like, what do I care about her family for?

Speaker 2 Yes, of course, please. This is not my couch.

Speaker 2 Please watch the show. You will love it.
It's four sisters. No way.
You're four sisters too. You're four sisters.
I'm four sisters too.

Speaker 1 You're two.

Speaker 2 I'm number three. Jackie's two.
I know you thought Jackie was one.

Speaker 2 No, no, it's four sisters.

Speaker 2 Brooks is the oldest and she's like clearly the most successful, but the other three are the most dropped dead, gorgeous, sninny, perfect people you've ever seen in your life.

Speaker 2 And they're all are like aspiring models. And they're all sort of like giving up.
They're very smart.

Speaker 2 They were raised in Baton Rouge, like a very religious, strict household, but the parents have sort of let go. The parents are a part of the show.
The parents are hilarious.

Speaker 2 hilarious you know one of them went to medical school but they're all sort of like giving up these big things that were valedictorians for this influencer lifestyle and they're you're watching them like slowly drop every part of their former life they move to this big apartment in new york they're all like trying to get contracts brooks is this huge model they're all fighting with each other they take ozempic like it's insane it shows i'm taking though well so it was a big storyline that brooks was like

Speaker 2 They all dabble, you know, when they have a big shoot coming up, you know, they're like, we know it's toxic, like this is what it takes in the industry. And she's like, I lost 30 pounds.

Speaker 2 Like, you would have seen me before thinking I had no weight to lose. And everyone kept telling me in the industry I was too fat.
And like, this is what it takes. And she did.

Speaker 2 Overnight, she became a huge model. And so there's an episode where Brooks is like clearly taking too much because she's about to be Maxim cover girl of the year.
So she's about to shoot it.

Speaker 2 And she's like shooting up so much, she's like fainting in the bathtub. And like, she went to a workout class and like, seriously, like almost threw up.

Speaker 1 And so it's like that episode of Full House where DJ Tanner passes out on the elliptical.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, niche reference. Brooks did not pass out on an elliptical.

Speaker 1 It's not that hard. No, 1000%.

Speaker 2 But also that episode was so crazy. No, it like touched me.

Speaker 1 It was one of those things where it's like, oh, never going to forget this.

Speaker 2 No, it's so funny how like there, how many seasons of Full House were there? A million.

Speaker 2 I could not name one thing that happens in one episode of Full House ever, except when DJ like becomes anorexic. And like how we were all supposed to be like deeply moved by that when she was also.

Speaker 2 I was. I think she was supposed to be like the fat character.
She was so normal looking. Completely normal.
She just had like a little like chubby cheeks, like baby fat. She was like 12.

Speaker 2 It's actually insane how that episode is seared into the memory of every millennial woman.

Speaker 1 I love that. She passes out of the gym because it was rare that you were outside the house too in that show.
It was weird.

Speaker 2 And also, how did she get into the gym as a 12-year-old? Like, I don't think that you can, like, as a minor, go into a gym.

Speaker 1 It was the 90s.

Speaker 2 It's, it was the 90s. Um, love that.
Um, more BravoCon news is, um,

Speaker 2 like, everyone's eating it up. And I don't want to be negative, but I'm just not buying it.
Teresa Judice has allegedly made up with her brother. They had this like big reunion.
I saw it on Instagram.

Speaker 2 They were taking pictures together. And I was like, wait, is that Melissa and Teresa? Then I saw this video at like one of the booths.
It's funny. They have like at BravoCon, this a huge room.

Speaker 2 They take one of the big convention rooms and they break it up into stalls where it's kind of like a trade show. You like walk around at a trade show and you try new products.

Speaker 1 The bazaar, the Bravo Bazaar.

Speaker 2 Yes, where everybody comes because everybody has a brand where they literally set up tables and they like sell their merch, sell their candles, sell, you know, hair extensions, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And it's so funny. And I believe it took place at the bazaar where everybody was standing around like looking at taking pictures, filming Teresa and Joe, and they hugged.

Speaker 2 There was another third person in there. I have no idea who it was.

Speaker 2 They hugged. They were like, we love, love, love, love, love, love.
And then they posted a bunch of pictures on Instagram. The fans are eating it up.
Gia's commenting.

Speaker 2 There There were rumors that Gia and her uncle had made up. So now it appears as though, like, all is well.
Now, while that's beautiful, this is, you know, a family business. We love family.

Speaker 2 The way I'm not buying this for shit,

Speaker 2 the Real Houses in New Jersey has been put on indefinite hiatus. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that the women wouldn't film with each other, mostly Teresa and Melissa.

Speaker 2 Mostly Teresa more than Melissa.

Speaker 1 And just because I wasn't so plugged into this one, Melissa and Teresa are sisters-in-law.

Speaker 2 Sister-in-law, yeah. So Teresa's brother is Melissa's wife, husband.
And

Speaker 2 the show, like, I think if you're a cast member, like, you, you do blame Melissa and Teresa. Like, these women are now out of a job because the show doesn't know where to go.

Speaker 2 They won't feel be in the same room together. The last reunion was so hostile.
And this is a franchise that has like repeatedly gotten physical.

Speaker 2 So like they can't really keep doing what they're doing without something happening. But now it's like, okay, great.
Look, you took it too far and you ruined it for the rest of us. Nobody's filming.

Speaker 2 Nobody has a job. Nobody's making any money.
And I think that these women, especially Teresa, rely so much on the money from the housewives because Teresa is one of the the OGs.

Speaker 2 She probably makes like $2 billion a season. Like, she's really high paid.
Not all the women make that, but she makes more than because it's like a seniority thing.

Speaker 1 Didn't her husband have to like leave the country or something?

Speaker 2 Well, her ex-husband was deported. He lives in the Bahamas now.
He went to jail. She went to jail for his crimes as well.

Speaker 2 And then when he got out of prison, they were like, psych, you're being deported because you are from Italy. What flavor crime? You know,

Speaker 1 white collar. Like Jen Shaw, like taking advantage of senior citizenship?

Speaker 2 No, actually. And that's why I don't hate Teresa Judas as much as I hate Jen Sha.

Speaker 1 Teresa stole from the government. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Victimless. Right.

Speaker 2 Literally victimless crime. Gen Cha was out here defrauding the elderly and vulnerable communities.

Speaker 2 So these two making up, I think, like for like Bravo fans, it's like, ah, ah, everyone's eating it up. I'm just letting you know I'm not buying it for shit.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you heard it here first.

Speaker 2 No, no, it's just so fraudulent and like doing it in front of all the fans. Like, please.

Speaker 1 They're doing it. They're going to do it.
They're going to re-up the show.

Speaker 1 Well, Teresa's just going to get an own show with her family and then it'll be her.

Speaker 2 Andy was asked, because, you know, they also have a red carpet where like every reporter, now they have influencers on there too which i love people who have like bravo tick tocks

Speaker 2 someone asked andy what do you make of it and the way he was so fucking done with these people like you should see and andy's like not a person who can hide his emotions like no if somebody comes and watches obviously doesn't like you like you can tell in a second like he's very emotive yeah and he was like it's great like it's just great like he doesn't give a fuck he's like i hope it's very and he said i hope they're doing it for them

Speaker 2 and they're not like they're doing it for money they're doing it for the show i love that andy clocked it and he's not like faking it with them they're so it gets fraudulent Sorry.

Speaker 2 Too little, too late.

Speaker 2 Our third and final

Speaker 2 Bravo con little subset. Kathy Hilton had the security tag on her outfit.
She bought a $2,000 Alice Melville jacket walking around with the security tag. Do you think Kathy Hilton stole the jacket?

Speaker 1 No chance.

Speaker 2 I think she probably got it for free because she's friends with the Alison Olivia. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And her daughters are too. I feel like Miki Hilton like just did a collab.

Speaker 2 So I think they, I think this was just like an oversight, like an assistant who's obviously getting fired.

Speaker 1 But it's like Kathy Hilton is so rich like she she doesn't kathy hilton has not touched her own cash in in years and if another housewife like had the tag and security tag on her jacket the finances of so many housewives are so precarious you would say oh they stole it very wendy aceffo who's just been um indicted for insurance fraud um with kathy you're right she's so wealthy you wouldn't even think for a second that she stole the jacket no she she just like forgot to tell someone else to pay for the jacket or like she she didn't even know she was wearing a jacket remember when she was doing the caviar on the baked potato that's when you know it's like this woman does not she is a jetpack and we all have horse and buckies.

Speaker 2 Like she's living on another, they say like tax bracket, but like another tax planet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is a tax planet. I, yeah, that's also someone to me where it's like, you don't need the show.
The Mormon wives, a lot of the other housewives need the show.

Speaker 2 And it makes it a complicated relationship that they have with the show, but Kathy's free.

Speaker 1 Kathy's very free. Sometimes it makes for good TV and sometimes it's like she's kind of Gray Gardens kind of like

Speaker 2 and I wish she like cared a little bit more because there'll be a couple of episodes where we don't even see her and it's like girl no no we need you yeah we need yeah she desperately

Speaker 2 how do you what do you make of the dynamic another sisterly dynamic between kyle and kathy and how kathy came on the show at the very like randomly at the end and and doesn't really give much but is beloved more than kyle has probably ever been loved and i think the show was also a huge reason for her issues with her sister kim yeah um and now kathy comes on and just like is beloved and doesn't even have to try do you think that that kind of puts Kyle on the balls of her ass a little bit like do you how do you think she feels about it there's so many sister dynamics because there's also paris and nikki nikki yep and the cousins and the cousins um

Speaker 1 yeah i think basically i think kyle got the brunt of the like you aren't taking care of me correctly and you aren't being loyal enough to me from kim and then kathy kind of got off scot-free yeah maybe it's because she sort of like Kim doesn't have as much access to her because she's so rich.

Speaker 2 Did you ever watch the scripted show that Kyle Richards created about

Speaker 2 their childhood and like her based off of her mom, which resulted in Kathy and Kim not speaking to Kyle for many years.

Speaker 1 No, why didn't they speak to her for me?

Speaker 2 It was a one-season show that Kyle like produced, wrote, and whatever, and sold to the Paramount Network, your parent company. One season, canceled after one season.

Speaker 2 And it was about like their mom, inspired by their mom. And Kathy and Kim did not like the concept of their mom being.

Speaker 2 a character on this show or her life. And it was actually the mom was played by Alicia Silverstone.
It was so weird.

Speaker 1 What was the deal with the mom? Was she like a fame monster?

Speaker 2 She wasn't a fame monster, but she was like a stage mom because they all got into, you know, acting very early on.

Speaker 2 And she died very young and she was this like fabulous young woman and this like LA lady.

Speaker 2 I never watched a show, so I can't really tell you more.

Speaker 1 And Kyle was like, I'm honoring her. And they're like, they're airing the dirty body.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And also like, they weren't involved.
And I think they just feel protective over their mom's legacy, which is understandable.

Speaker 1 I think if someone really objects to it in the family, you can't.

Speaker 2 You can't. Because

Speaker 1 it's mining their own past. It's not like, hey, we disagree with what you're saying about a separate issue.
It's like, well, she's her own person. She's allowed to do whatever she wants.

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Speaker 2 I would love your take on this next story because it's about Britney Spears. So over the weekend, she made a lot of news because she was hanging out with the Kardashians.

Speaker 2 They were all like laying in bed together, taking pictures of videos. And like, it was, you know, if you don't know what's going on, like it it looked cute.

Speaker 2 So I want to get your take on it, but I also want to get your take on Brittany in general. Like, and, you know, ask the big sort of hard question.
Should we have freed Brittany?

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 2 No. I don't disagree.
Brittany

Speaker 1 does not.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Wait, let's go. I knew apart from this.
I'm curious. There's so much to say about this.

Speaker 2 Because she's clearly unwell, but so was the system in place. Like the people involved, everyone's stealing money for her.

Speaker 2 It wasn't the right conservatorship, but that's not to say that a conservatorship wouldn't have benefited her had it been, you know, an ethical one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it should not have involved her father. It should not have involved her being forced to take lithium.
Take lithium perform. Right.
I mean, I know we got If You Seek Amy out of this. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 And I would be, I mean, it's like, it would be a huge cultural loss if we didn't have it.

Speaker 2 And so much of the footage of her dancing at the Vegas residency while she was like just churning out and she was like sort of a robot, but it was iconic. I agree.
It's very complicated.

Speaker 1 You better work, bitch. That's also a story in the conservatorship.
Yeah. It's like, should we not? It's like when Michael Jackson comes on or something.

Speaker 1 It's like those songs from Britney's Conservatorship, like Were These Made Under Duress.

Speaker 2 Hey, that's actually a really interesting take that I want to just table for one second. And then I want to talk to you about that.

Speaker 2 So if I don't bring it back up, please bring up Michael Jackson again.

Speaker 1 Okay. Because he is a new, there's a new biopic coming out about him.
It's like Biopic City. Okay.
Britney. The sleepover of the Kardashians, the sleep under, because you know no one slept over.
50%.

Speaker 1 They got picked up at 10.

Speaker 2 It's actually insane, though, the amount of people they like let in their beds. Like they're always putting their shoes on in their beds.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's show beds?

Speaker 1 Actually, that's a great question. I would say surprised if they had like a showroom bedroom because they have like they show other fronts of houses and stuff.

Speaker 2 It's a set.

Speaker 1 They are a bed family, which I really like. Are you guys a bed family?

Speaker 2 Oh, we invented the bed. Like I do everything from bed.
We're all always in bed together. Like bed is everything.

Speaker 1 Were the in-laws like, whoa, this is a lot of bed?

Speaker 2 That's a good question. Cause if you're not from a bed family, it's very shocking to see people in bed all the time.
Like you're like the grandfather for like a whole family. Yeah, it's Willie Walker.

Speaker 2 Willie Wonka. Yeah.
Like it's shocking. That's so funny.
I think that's a great question. I do believe Ben doesn't come from a bed family, but they're bed friendly.
Bed friendly. Yeah, bed adjacent.

Speaker 2 So I don't think it was a huge shock for them.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 2 Are you a bed family?

Speaker 1 Major bed family.

Speaker 2 I feel like if you have a lot of siblings who are all the same gender, you have like no choice to be like a bed, bathroom, door, or open family.

Speaker 1 Well, that's what I was going to say about Jackie's third son, because it's like at this point, it's like,

Speaker 1 I frankly think it's inappropriate to have different genders in the same family. It's like brothers and sisters, like, that's great to be

Speaker 1 choose. Yeah.
So I'm really happy for her. Me me too.

Speaker 1 Britney Spears, boy mom.

Speaker 2 Like Jackie. Yes.
I love the parallel you're drawing.

Speaker 1 Very fraught relationship with the kids. Hasn't seen them in a while.
I think they live with KFED.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and what do you make of KFED? Because I'm always on here like getting shit for defending KFED because it's like, yeah, say what you want.

Speaker 2 He's an unemployed captive potato who cashes Britney's checks, but like he's bathing the kids. Like he has actively been fathering alone for many years.

Speaker 2 So like while, yeah, he's probably thirsty and writing a a book about whatever, I kind of believe what he says. I for sure believe.

Speaker 2 And there's something to be said for like the active parent for the last 10 years. Like 20.

Speaker 1 This was all. I know they were like 20.

Speaker 2 I know. 21.
And so he's writing a book and he had alleged that Brittany was doing cocaine while breastfeeding the kids.

Speaker 2 I mean, which is such an insane accusation.

Speaker 1 That's really, really crazy. Really crazy.
Also, because it's like, we can't prove it. Like, no one can go back and say that it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 I mean, at that point, maybe breast is not best, you know? Right?

Speaker 1 Maybe go for the bottle at that point. Maybe breast formula.
Oh my God. Yeah.
I mean, like, look, am I sure that he acted grossly and everyone was like literally a vampire around her in that time?

Speaker 1 Yes. Do I think either the fame broke her or there was something broken in her beginning that was exacerbated by becoming that famous? Also, yes.
Weirdly, I think the shaving of the head was the most

Speaker 1 sane thing she's ever done because it was one of those things where it's like, there's so much pressure around me.

Speaker 1 I am being forced to perform like what if I do this motherfucker you know what I mean like now you can't monetize me no and it was the craziest thing at the time right now I think literally not that crazy and if any celebrity do it we'd be like yeah yeah oh my god it makes the ball yeah Bob you love your little Bob it's like no fix a cut do you think there's like a genuine friendship between no so um they're in the bed it's Chloe it's Kim it's Brittany and it's Kate Hudson who's Brittany's manager and I think close friends of the Kardashians it feels like Kate Hudson is Brittany's manager not Kate C-A-D-E, a man.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 He is Britney's manager and longtime friend, and he's just like kind of a man about town in Hollywood. And I feel like the Kardashians were like, we want to meet Britney.

Speaker 2 And Kate was like, sure, look, let's all hang out and just sort of facilitated this hangout.

Speaker 2 I would

Speaker 2 love to know if they were filming for the show.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Kardashians are just always thinking 20 steps ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That I wonder if there's like a report where they're all going to be referencing a Britney look and they wanted like her blessing.

Speaker 2 Like Kim's going to be her lawyer, except at this rate, she didn't pass the bar.

Speaker 2 So i know what do you make of that i think she'll pass it the next time i think she's so smart i think she's so is it true you only get like two or three chances you can't take it it's not like the sats like you can't take it in an infinite amount of time i don't know i've heard different things yeah but it should stay like it's different but maybe because it's the baby bar it like counts as like a third like it's it's not the baby bar this was the real bar she passed the baby bar Oh because she's on this like weird program where she's not going to law school she has to take the baby bar and do this like apprenticeship so so far she's been doing everything and then she was eligible not to take the bar and she did not pass but this is the first time she didn't have to pass the big daddy bar.

Speaker 2 First time she took it and first time she didn't pass.

Speaker 1 Okay, I think there's going to be another shot for her. No problem.
I hope so. I really hope so.

Speaker 2 She said she's not giving up on the stream.

Speaker 1 And if Kim Kardashian wants it, Kim Kardashian gone get it.

Speaker 2 It's true. She's nothing if not determined.

Speaker 1 She is nothing if not determined. And it's like she needs the opposite of a conservatorship.
She should be a conservator. For Brittany.

Speaker 2 Maybe that's what the meeting was about.

Speaker 1 She'd be a great conservator for Brittany.

Speaker 2 She really would. So when it comes to the free Britney question, where do you land?

Speaker 1 I land

Speaker 1 that like,

Speaker 1 yeah, there was what we've seen post her being freed has not like

Speaker 1 made the case proven that the people who wanted to free Britney were right. And like, I think every time she like does something bizarre or dances with knives or is naked

Speaker 1 on the thing or the baby that she took to Mexico that she had the security guard hold, it's like, and everyone's saying like, you go, girl, you do exactly what you want. Like you earned this.

Speaker 1 Like she's just corky.

Speaker 2 It's like, come on yeah like you're encouraging incredibly erratic and weird behavior dangerous too yeah and like undignified yeah no i i agree i think at the time it felt right because having this woman you know so she was like locked up it felt so wrong

Speaker 2 And I think very quickly after she was freed, the questions started pouring in, but it was like kind of this thing you couldn't say, you know? Yeah. But now I feel like everyone's saying it.

Speaker 2 Like it's really nutty, especially with like the allegations from Kevin Federline that I know a lot of people aren't taking seriously, but like, I feel like they mean something.

Speaker 1 No question. I didn't read Brittany's memoir, Woman of Me.
I wouldn't. Me neither.

Speaker 2 But I like do, but also, like,

Speaker 2 is it an accurate retelling of history? Because the woman who's dancing with the knives is the woman running the story. Do you know what I mean? Right, right.

Speaker 1 Or like someone else is piecing it together.

Speaker 2 It had nothing to do with her, which is also possible. In that case, I'm also uninterested.

Speaker 1 The whole thing is very like Amy Winehouse-esque. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's just a train wreck. It's, yeah.
It's like sad to watch, too.

Speaker 1 It is really sad to watch. No, but Jamie Lynn, that whole thing is great.
Oh, yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 Back to Michael Jackson. So when you were talking about how like

Speaker 2 music of yore comes on, and it's Michael Jackson, it's R. Kelly.
It's people who have been, you know, Chris Brown, right? Disgraced.

Speaker 2 What is your

Speaker 2 response?

Speaker 1 My response is, it's a remix to

Speaker 1 kitchen. Yeah, like that is my response because it's like, what are we going to do? Yeah.
And like,

Speaker 1 I think often like amazing art is made by terrible people. And I don't think those things are unconnected, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And actually, something I was really struck by in the R.
Kelly documentary because his, everyone's crimes were so horrible. But R.
Kelly's were particularly disturbing.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, the kidnapping of women.

Speaker 2 And it was like, not only was it the abuse, but it was also like the cult and all these like young, beautiful girls whose lives were stolen from them and their parents are mourning them, even though they're alive.

Speaker 2 Like it was really crazy.

Speaker 2 And then a lot of like the experts that they brought on to say was like, it's really hard to stop listening to R.

Speaker 2 Kelly because the type of music that he made is music that is used almost exclusively at like celebratory events, like the world's greatest. I believe I can fly, it's in church, it's at

Speaker 2 communions, it's at bar mitzvahs, ignition,

Speaker 2 particularly in the black community, these songs just sort of are emblematic of like big life events,

Speaker 2 Sweet 16s. And so it's almost impossible to

Speaker 2 extradite, is that the word? The music from your life. And so that's not my experience with Michael Jackson.
I don't listen to a lot of Michael Jackson. I also don't go out of my way.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, I'm going to go to a wedding and it's, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be playing. Um, but I'm trying to think if there are people I like, I like Chris Brown.

Speaker 2 Like, I will actually not listen. Like, I will go out of my way to not listen to.

Speaker 1 I, I don't even know a Chris Brown song, but I have a couple of good ones. I can't lie.
If someone was like, will you give me $5? Because then height, it will go directly to the hand of Chris Brown.

Speaker 1 I'd be like, I'm good. But, like, will my listening to a...
Chris Brown or R. Kelly song or my not listening to it undo what they did now.

Speaker 2 No, that's true. So like, why should you suffer?

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 Well, especially, especially i mean i think it's funny too because like certain people you're like i'm taking a stand and then other people's like well my gosh it's everywhere well so that's that's what i'm always saying on the toast don't ever be like well claudia that's hypocritical of you because you'll listen to x yes i'm a i'm a complicated person yeah exactly and i don't like to have like big grandiose statements about things like and normalize changing your minds actually i i recently changed my instagram bio but for a couple of weeks it was this strong opinions loosely held love which my friend tinks taught me which i love we love tinks then i actually i could not figure out an instagram bio for myself.

Speaker 2 It was kind of this journey I was going on on the podcast.

Speaker 1 Are you sitting like Ruby's mom?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 I recently figured it out, and I didn't even update everybody where I landed.

Speaker 2 So I just want to let everyone know my Instagram bio is now and will probably for the foreseeable future be, because I'm not somebody who likes to like change it a lot. Like once I find it, I find it.

Speaker 2 Your favorite podcasters? Favorite podcasters. I love.
I hate that it's inspired by Chappellarone because she's genuinely fucking insufferable.

Speaker 1 Chapple grown.

Speaker 2 But whatever happened to her? Don't you feel like there was a time where we were just like talking about Chappellrone all the time and now we're not?

Speaker 1 Well, because it was like the paparazzi, the screaming at the thing i'm happy bobby brown did i'm happier now let's talk about millie bobby brown are you familiar with what's going on with millie bob

Speaker 1 well i just saw that she was like no you smile to the paparazzi okay so she's like having like a moment but so they had a they adopted a baby her and her um

Speaker 2 adopted a baby yes like just so random out of the blue i don't think anybody's seen the baby i don't know what the baby looks like um and now she's on uh press tour she's all over the world because new season of stranger things is coming or has come whatever and so there's just like a lot of footage of her you know going from the car to the hotel you know that's like classic paparazzi stuff but now she's carrying the duna the car seat and so there was this video that went viral of her husband and her getting out of the car her husband's carrying nothing she's carrying the diaper bag a backpack and the car seat and i have that car seat the duna it weighs 38 pounds without the baby in it okay So everybody's like, oh, he sucks.

Speaker 2 He's getting so much.

Speaker 1 I saw a video after where she ran into the hotel and he was like wrestling with the Duna.

Speaker 2 So now everyone's joking, like, you're never going to see him without that baby ever again because every time they get out of the car, now he's going to be carrying the car seat.

Speaker 2 So funny and so relatable because one thing about me i'm not carrying the car seat yeah i am not carrying the car seat that's not going to happen it's like as a mom since becoming a mom i've become stronger in so many ways but i've become so much weaker more in a physical sense and also emotional um like there's so many things i just cannot do but also you

Speaker 2 like there's a division of labor and you are doing a lot of things and it's like you're not a lot of so many tokens a lot of the manual labor is just like no longer my problem nor my responsibility nor am i capable of doing most of it also ben's like big and tall like he can carry like 15 dunas and just like make sure when you're planning your life with someone and i say this to the listeners like make sure they can carry a duna yeah make sure they're big and tall make sure they're bnt yeah 1000 our fifth and vital story is news that's like really only affecting me and like three of our listeners but i feel like it needs to be said because i was going off on it youtube tv like could not reach an agreement with disney um so like if you're a youtube tv subscriber like you didn't get espn you didn't get abc and you didn't get disney everything that disney owns and literally jackie and i actually jackie's husband zach and i like we were not stopping talking about this this is different than youtube premium yes so youtube tv is for cord cutters like it's cable it's cable.

Speaker 2 It's cable, but like digital. And Jackie had it for so long.
And I was like, that's so crazy that you don't have cable.

Speaker 1 It's the rebundling of the unbundling.

Speaker 2 Exactly. It's moving forward, but also backwards.
And

Speaker 2 they recently lost their contract with Disney.

Speaker 2 So like all sports and a lot of people have YouTube TV was kind of taking like the internet by storm, even though I feel like I'm literally the only person talking about it.

Speaker 2 But mostly because I kind of watched Jancy with the stars. So actually, you can watch Jancy with the stars on Disney.
I was, I have Disney Plus. I was completely fine.

Speaker 2 But I just want to let everyone know, like, the dispute has ended and they've reached an agreement. And And you can now watch Disney, ABC, and ESPN back on YouTube TV.

Speaker 1 And are you going to cord cut from Disney Plus?

Speaker 2 No, because I don't pay for Disney Plus.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Oh, so in my family, like we all take on different things. I pay for Max.

Speaker 2 Okay, huge. Which is a big one.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Olivia, it's her Hulu Disney ESPN account. And let me tell you not to call out Olivia, but like we're all responsible for the passwords, right?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 So every, like every day somebody writes in, hey, what's the Max password? Hey, what's the Hulu password? Olivia cannot keep her fucking finger on the pulse of whatever she made the last password.

Speaker 2 And literally, our chat is every day, what's the Disney Plus login? And we had to reset it. Loki, Olivia, sorry to call you out.
You suck at it. I have my max password on lock.
Anybody needs it?

Speaker 2 I've got it right there for you.

Speaker 1 What is Jackie Mayborn? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hmm. Lemer chap sex.
Well, no, I got him for a what does okay.

Speaker 2 Jackie's like Loki not pulling her weight. No, that's my mom's like Jackie's really not pulling her weight.
I feel like she did have discovery plus, but like they went went out of business.

Speaker 1 Discovery Plus. I know

Speaker 2 Peacock is

Speaker 1 Yeah, Peacock is me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, interesting. There you go.
Three little accounting here.

Speaker 2 Do you have every single app? Do you pick and choose? Well, now that you've been acquired, like you probably don't care, but before you got acquired.

Speaker 1 Oh, like paying for the apps? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Before you got acquired, how did you handle all your streaming services?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's total chaos,

Speaker 1 guessing, having to text people from high school who haven't spoken to me and I haven't spoken to, just like horrible, uh ultimately breaking down and paying for it right right or starting free trials and forgetting to do it i mean it's total chaos yeah what did i start a free trial for that i have to cancel free form no it was an app it wasn't like us it was an app on my phone um

Speaker 2 i know what it was what was it it was canva it was canva i was making like a mood board and i needed to like use one of the premium features and it was like 14 and i was like you know what it i'll cancel it was 14 day free trial 14.

Speaker 2 um but i have to make sure to cancel it before i get charged okay okay i love making mood boards like when i'm just like thinking about like redesigning my apartment, I'm like, how would all this furniture look together?

Speaker 2 And I have to put it on a mood board, but you have to erase the background.

Speaker 1 Are you redesigning the apartment? No.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Someone's thinking about it, you know?

Speaker 1 No, I am the creative director of the free press and like I get the like urge of wives who wake up and they're like I'm gonna redo the whole house like the whole office or just the website the website just like the whole look of it I'm always kind of like flirting with that as a user of many websites can I tell you like please don't do that oh really when websites like are constantly like changing moving buttons it's like fuck all the way off you're making me not want to use a website anymore.

Speaker 2 Cause the home button that was over here, you can change the aesthetic. Don't move the buttons.
Like the buttons that we're all using all the fucking time.

Speaker 1 It's really bad.

Speaker 2 It's really bad. And it's really annoying.

Speaker 2 Susie, why is anything else you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 My God.

Speaker 2 What are you working on next? Like, what are you writing about? What are you researching?

Speaker 1 I was just in San Francisco. Frightening.
Frightening. Yeah.
I don't speak their language. They don't speak my language.

Speaker 2 We don't get along. No.

Speaker 1 What are you doing there? I was trying to understand like AI. Oh.
And I left.

Speaker 2 So were you in like San Francisco, like city or like the tech?

Speaker 1 I was in the city of San Francisco, and then I was in Berkeley for a few days.

Speaker 2 Also extremely frightening. Radical youth.

Speaker 1 In a different, very different way. A lot of therapists there.
Everyone who lives there is a therapist. That's right.
So right now I'm working on a story about how like sea is the new space. How what?

Speaker 1 Like the sea is the new space. It's like everyone was obsessed with going to space.
Now they're obsessed with the sea.

Speaker 2 Oh, like, you know, submersible.

Speaker 1 Oh, like Ocean Gate. Yeah.
Well, they all obviously hate Ocean Gate, but these are a lot of like unmanned vehicles.

Speaker 2 I mean, how are people obsessed with the sea? Are people doing stuff in the sea?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like similar to how like SpaceX kind of like opened up the space economy. Right.
And there's going to be like drug trade and space and mining and like a whole, a whole world up there.

Speaker 2 Economy.

Speaker 1 That's kind of what's going to be happening in the sea because it's so big.

Speaker 2 It is. And there's so many parts that we haven't even touched.

Speaker 1 And I asked one of the founders, I was like, does God want you down there? Like, does God want you poking around down there?

Speaker 1 And he was like, absolutely.

Speaker 2 I actually don't disagree. Really? I feel like the sea is so vast.
And every time I learn something about the sea, like I, I forget what talking about it I was watching, definitely David Attenborough.

Speaker 2 When the waves like, okay, I'm going to sound really stupid.

Speaker 2 I also think like, okay. So when the waves like crash on the shore and then pull back in, they're, I forget exactly what they had said, but

Speaker 2 like the entire balance of the, the world's ecosystem, like.

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 God, I sound so fucking.

Speaker 2 Whatever's happening there, like the, the waves are bringing like something back into the ocean that keeps like the world's the environment, the entire ecosystem, keeps it running.

Speaker 2 Kind of felt like the world would end without bees, right? The world would also end if the ocean didn't go and come back, go and come back.

Speaker 2 Every time I learn something about the ocean, it's so to me, people always say, like, how can you have a baby and like not believe in God? For sure.

Speaker 2 How can you like know shit about the ocean and not believe in like the beauty, the magic of God? Like, no question. To me, it's extremely godly.

Speaker 1 I also think it's a very feminine place. Like, expand on that.
Well, it like goes by the moon. Oh, yeah.
It's connected to the moon, as are we.

Speaker 1 It can be extremely calm or extremely like vicious and fierce. Someone the other day was like, what's more dangerous, a woman who's bored or a woman who's scorned? And I'm like, wrong question.

Speaker 1 What's more dangerous? A ballistic missile or a woman who's scorned? And it's a woman who scorned. Like

Speaker 1 that is the most dangerous

Speaker 1 force. So I really, I think C is going to be very like big.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love this. Now, what are people doing? Like, they're taking trips.
They're starting businesses. Like, what are they doing?

Speaker 1 They're doing like they're making these like drones that are extremely like cheap and fast because it's basically extremely expensive to do like submersible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or just like communication with like a thing right, like out on the high seas.

Speaker 1 So they make these drones that can like plant seagrass or like monitor things, like people fishing in, you know, um waters you aren't supposed to fish in or just like, just like really creative, like flying boats and airplanes that can land on the sea.

Speaker 1 And like the sea will be, so we haven't seen so much of it. Right.
And all of these people are obsessed with Atlantis and they're obsessed with MH370.

Speaker 2 I'm at Atlantis. I was like the Bahamas.

Speaker 1 I'm cracking up.

Speaker 2 No, like the lost sea.

Speaker 1 The lost city.

Speaker 1 But they also are like, I think, was it 2014 that that Malaysian airline flight went down? And all of these people were like, what do you mean you can't find it?

Speaker 2 Right. Like that, how is that possible? But it just shows the sea.
It speaks to the vastness of the sea. Yeah.
That whole ass 300-person airplane can get lost. Swallowed.

Speaker 1 That's so great. It's scary.

Speaker 2 Also, is it true that like there are cables in the sea that like connect the internet?

Speaker 1 Yes. And then like sometimes sometimes it's like kind of soft war when like China or someone will like sever the cable.

Speaker 1 And then they're like, well, it's like we dropped an anchor. Yeah, it's so China.
Honestly, that's a slay. Like we dropped an anchor.
It works. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry, you can't connect. Sorry, you have no grid.

Speaker 2 Oh man, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 No, like, I kind of think World War III will take place on the high seas. Oh, my God.
That's my prediction.

Speaker 2 I love that. Not like I love, but that's a good prediction.

Speaker 1 Prediction season's about to start.

Speaker 2 So that's what you're working on. What does that mean? Prediction season is about to start.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, like the in-outs of like 2025.

Speaker 1 oh my god you hate that you guys be so good at it i know but like the thing is it's like nothing's in and nothing's out we're all people oh i love that that's right but space out see it even the space out see it and i feel like space is out the kenny perry ruined space i loved that i was like i was like go go up there would you go to space

Speaker 1 no i have no interest me neither No. I would, I'd rather go very far out at sea and experience that than experience space.
Oh, that's a really good question.

Speaker 1 Just because I think it could be more free.

Speaker 2 It's so spooky. It's so spooky.
And I know when you go to space, like you're so far from home, but there's something about being in the middle of the ocean, not seeing any land.

Speaker 2 That's like an extremely scary feeling.

Speaker 1 Well, especially because like you're on the earth, but still no one can see you as if you were in space.

Speaker 2 And when you think about the ocean, like you have to think about multiple parts of the ocean, like I'm thinking about like, of course, Caribbean, I could see the sand, but like that dark ocean where like you can't even see the water, what's beneath you, like that is so fucking pretty.

Speaker 1 Black.

Speaker 2 That's so at night.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, I could never.

Speaker 2 I I could literally never. That's so scary.
Okay, so that's what you're working on. What else? What else am I working on?

Speaker 2 I feel like you're always like finding random like rabbit holes to go through that are extremely interesting. Like the lab diamonds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like lab grown diamonds. That was a really fun one.

Speaker 1 Oh, I am going to do like an essay that I feel like toasters might, it might appeal to them. No, love.
Abolish the bachelorette party. Abolish your astrologer at party.
None.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's an extremely hot take. Why do you say that? I think that's a recession indicator.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, like engagement rings, weddings have gotten completely cuckoo bananas. A greater eight-day festivals.

Speaker 2 Consumerism at its worst.

Speaker 1 And just like I, people were freaking out. I forget who it was.
Someone's wedding where it was just like the content came first. You know what I mean? It was like they established the wedding and like

Speaker 1 the wedding was downstream of the content, which like is fine. Yeah.
But especially if that's your job and like, if you're an influencer, like part of that is living your life and having a lifestyle.

Speaker 1 Yes. But I think we're kind of like reaching a saturation point where it's like, is this even fun? Like, what is a signature cocktail? Like, do we even need to do any of this?

Speaker 1 And I was, I went to like, I want to say six or seven weddings this summer.

Speaker 2 Wow, this summer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm just in that

Speaker 1 season, but like my whole, do you remember? Right.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I remember it's my whole life. Yeah.
Is that song? And there was like a lot of like long plane trips.

Speaker 1 And like, I love all of these people, but you can really only ask someone to take a plane once for your wedding. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's funny. You know, it's like, no matter how much you love a person, like the wedding will make you hate them.

Speaker 1 Hate them. Yeah.
And it's so crazy. And people who are like, people are acting like there's a gun to their head being like, well, we have to go to Vegas today.
And it's right.

Speaker 1 No, you're holding the gun. I want people to understand that.

Speaker 2 Put the gun down.

Speaker 1 Did you have a bachelor party?

Speaker 2 Of course I did in Vegas. Okay, but let me say this.
I was a child bride. Yes.
So I was 21 and no one in my life had gotten married. No one I knew.
And it was so exciting.

Speaker 2 Like, and I feel like when I talk about my bachelor party, I have to mention the fact that the entire thing was sponsored.

Speaker 2 Nobody in my party had to pay for anything. Maybe a flight, but I don't even think that.
Hotels, clubs, restaurants, restaurants, outfits, like literally everything was free.

Speaker 2 And it was the first time anyone in my family, anyone in my group of friends had gotten married. So it was just like so fucking exciting.
And also everyone's from New York.

Speaker 2 A lot of them hadn't even ever been to Vegas. We'd all just turned like 21.
So I agree with a lot of your criticism. Doesn't apply to me.
Doesn't apply to you.

Speaker 2 No, I feel like it has to, that has to be said.

Speaker 1 I just turned 30. And at this point, it's like, I'm not wearing a silly hat.
I'm not wearing a wig. I just turned 30.
Tell me about that. I'm 31.
You're 31.

Speaker 2 I know. I'm an extremely youthful spirit.

Speaker 1 You

Speaker 1 and a baby. Well, yes.

Speaker 1 I was just, I came into the office the next day after I turned 30 and I was like, I'm so happy for all of us that that's done. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to you that you no longer have to hear me talking about 30 and 30. It's not cute.
No one cares.

Speaker 2 It's almost worse. Like

Speaker 2 turning 30 is worse than being 30. Are you kidding? Like having that in your future is very like dread inducing.
It has this like existential feeling. Once it's over, you're like, okay.

Speaker 1 You're freed. And it's like, oh, I feel bad for the 29 year olds a little bit.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And also Tinks was the one who gave me great advice because I was really, I actually clearly get a lot of advice from Tinks.

Speaker 2 I was really struggling with turning theory because like when you're in this space too, like youth is everything. Yeah.
And all the girls are, you know, 17.

Speaker 2 And so she was like, you should really buy yourself something nice. It like makes you really excited about your birthday.
And so I did. I bought myself a diamond tennis necklace.
And

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 2 I guess that was the last time I bought a diamond.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 There you go. And it was really good advice because then I was just thinking about like the gorgeous present I was getting, not like the fact that I was turning 30.

Speaker 1 Tinks is really good on like aging, living. And like, if you wanted a husband, you would have one.
You don't want a husband. Like, she's just a very, very matter of fact.
Very matter of fact.

Speaker 1 And that's,

Speaker 1 I just, I really appreciate her.

Speaker 2 Me too. I really appreciate you.
I loved podcasting with you. I feel like I was just watching your episode with Jackie.
You guys like connected so hard and everybody was like, I love this.

Speaker 2 I was reading the comments this morning. Everybody was like, I love this too.
Oh my God. Like Miss Claude, but like this was really great.
And I was like, that's great.

Speaker 1 You're like, I roll.

Speaker 2 So, fuck Susie Weiss.

Speaker 2 Um, having said that, I just like needed to bring you back on here and like stunt on these hoes, you know. And you're a two-time co-host now.
Not a lot of people can say that.

Speaker 2 Thank you for spending your morning with us. Thank you for the great work that you do.
We cannot wait to see what the sea has in store for you. Don't get lost at sea.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here.

Speaker 2 Where can people find you? Where do you plug your shit? Okay.

Speaker 1 Subscribe to the free press at thefp.com/slash subscribe. We'll see if we can maybe even get a little discount for the toaster.

Speaker 2 Okay, if you do make it, code toast.

Speaker 1 Okay, code toast. So just try that if you're okay.
Try Code Toast, but if that doesn't work, sorry.

Speaker 2 Barry said no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Barry said no.

Speaker 1 And you can follow me on X at snoozyweiss. I should have like one thing that just does it all.
And then Instagram, I have a new professional Instagram called.

Speaker 2 Because you're private on Instagram.

Speaker 1 Because I'm private on Instagram.

Speaker 2 That's so like, that's such a stunt.

Speaker 1 It's a stunt, but it's also like, I get so confused with the rules around the nieces and nephews and who's face and who's not face that I'm just like.

Speaker 2 does Barry show her kids online? No. Do you guys have any work on the FP about like kids on the internet? Like, what's the general thesis?

Speaker 1 Yes. We're Jonathan Haidt is a

Speaker 1 contributor. He's unbelievable.
Anxious generation, right? Anxious generation. And he's really into like, let go, like, don't be a helicopter parent,

Speaker 1 in addition to a million other things. And I report a lot on like what the internet is doing to people, as in like, how is it spiritually disfiguring them? Right.
But also, it's the best and amazing.

Speaker 1 And we love it.

Speaker 2 It's so complicated.

Speaker 1 It's, it's, it's every, it's, it's mom talk. It's the church.

Speaker 1 yes it is it is is it in the room with us we can't define it serial being um so susie is online on instagram and yeah i how does it feel being a public-facing instagram figure now oh my god it's really scary i basically told like the social team at work i'm like i'll just you have to do it yeah yeah handle it handle it but i have a column that comes out every week on culture called second thought and hopefully soon a podcast.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? I mean, you do have like good podcast energy. You can come converse really well.
So much about podcasting, and this is something I'm clearly still working on, is listening

Speaker 2 and talking. And talking? Especially when we have like co-hosts on, because we're not like a guest interview show.

Speaker 1 Well, but you and Jackie, it's almost like you have your own dialect. It's a language.

Speaker 2 We also are like puzzle pieces. Like I know when to stop and she starts and she stops and I start.
And so we've done it so long.

Speaker 2 But when I'm interviewing other people, it's like so hard because like, I think I'm so interesting. And it's like, well, you're here to be interviewed.
And like, I'm not an interviewer.

Speaker 2 I've never claimed to be one. So it's something I'm really working on.

Speaker 1 Well, the DJ, I forget her name. She was very adorable.
The DJ interview. She was like, you're talking so fast.

Speaker 2 Do you know how much hate I got also for that episode? They're like, Claudia, like you really need to not help Xander. I'm like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 2 I forget that, like, we are in a league of our own when it comes to speed talking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I forget that, like, not everybody knows what I'm talking about because I'm just used to sitting down with somebody who does.

Speaker 2 That's why you're a great co-host because I feel like I have to explain anything to you. Yeah, we're plugged in.
And you like talk just as fast as I did.

Speaker 1 I try. I'm like, kept up party deliciously.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 Speaking of Pargi, I cannot believe I've been sitting up in this get up without letting you know this is a new merch that launches Wednesday. Look at that.
Wednesday, 10 a.m. Eastern time.

Speaker 2 We are launching so much our iconic t-shirts in three more designs, probably the best ones we've ever made sweatshirts baby stuff totes hats it's all gonna be on our Instagram check it out at the toast and the merch website is

Speaker 2 what's the merch website shop toastmerch.com I think we recently had to change it because it was chanel.com obviously um now I believe it's shop toast merch.com you just double check that for me Jackie's gonna kill me wait it was chanel.com I'm kidding

Speaker 2 yeah it's the toast oh the toast podcast.com okay or I think also shop toast merch just letting you know um Susie thank you so much for being here thank you for having me, guys.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much for listening to the Toastland London Morning Show where we're dealing with the fastest stories that you need to know every Monday, Friday on YouTube.

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