E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update

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Speaker 1 going on, everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.
And boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you.

Speaker 1 Momentarily, the icon herself, Denise Richards, will be joining us to just, you know, gab a little little bit talk about her new Bravo show what's it called Denise and the Wild Things Denise and her wild things Denise in the wild in her wild things

Speaker 1 either way it's a great title we love it uh we're excited to talk with Denise fresh off her appearance on special forces and just like I honestly like Denise's has good stakes on life so we're excited to talk with her then we have Alex from Love is Blind the guy who's in or was

Speaker 1 in the relationship with Madison what a couple anyways we'll be talking with him and get into the rest of episode three through six of Love is Blind. I think that's what we'll be talking about.

Speaker 1 Four through six. Four through six.
Then we have another icon herself, Chris. Stouse is with us to talk about her time on Traders.
Catch up with her. Great conversation that we have with Chris.

Speaker 1 Very exciting stuff for you ahead.

Speaker 1 What's going on with this fish? All right. Like I came in here.
You guys are obsessed with some fish. You asked me if I watched Finding Nemo.
I was supposed to, I was like, why do I care about this?

Speaker 5 She's a diva taking the world by storm. Leia.

Speaker 6 It's really the only thing I care about right now, if I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 No, please.

Speaker 6 Okay, this black sea devil angler fish was spotted swimming to the surface of the ocean.

Speaker 1 Oh, this ugly little thing.

Speaker 1 They're not ugly. No, not ugly.
They live at like the

Speaker 4 depths of the ocean floor, essentially.

Speaker 1 So it is a big deal. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Literally lives in darkness where the sun doesn't hit the ocean. And it swam all the way up to the surface so that it could see the sun before it died.

Speaker 6 And I know that there's an environment, scary environmental reason that this is happening, but I'm going to ignore it because it's so cute.

Speaker 8 They're not supposed to make it to the surface. So they provide light for like to catch prey, but also the organisms down at the bottom where there is no light.

Speaker 1 How big is this fish? Pretty big. Okay.

Speaker 4 It's well, no.

Speaker 5 How small, how big do you think that fish is? Just judging by your gut instinct, how big do you think that fish is?

Speaker 1 Three feet. It's in the palm of your hand.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah, it's really tiny. You know, is that so small? It's so small, Michael.

Speaker 1 And how did we find

Speaker 4 huge in finding Nemo? Some of them are bigger.

Speaker 5 Well, she was really small.

Speaker 1 Well, Nemo's.

Speaker 1 Okay, but think of Clownfit.

Speaker 7 I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, so what happened is basically she was dying and she wanted to see the sun. Yes, she.
We know she.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We know her.

Speaker 1 Apparently, the male.

Speaker 5 We're not. No, this is not.
This is not.

Speaker 1 This is science. Okay.
This is science to say. She's not publicly? Yes.
Okay. She

Speaker 5 was dying and she wanted to see the sun before she died. So she swam up to the the surface.

Speaker 1 Oh my god. Who would discover this? How do we know?

Speaker 4 And wait, is she dead now?

Speaker 1 She's dead.

Speaker 8 She's not supposed to make it to the surface.

Speaker 1 She did die. She's not.

Speaker 6 She saw the sun.

Speaker 1 Nevertheless, she persisted.

Speaker 4 How do we know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 How do we know this?

Speaker 4 Scientists.

Speaker 1 Is this a story? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Also, fish are not supposed to float to the surface. Like they regulate with like oxygen and whatnot so that they stay below.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you know, she'd have. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I feel like all my goldfishes, when they died, they were like belly up and like

Speaker 8 that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 No, no, no, this fish swam to the surface. She made a long journey.

Speaker 1 That is

Speaker 1 a journey.

Speaker 4 You know what that reminds me of? There's like a veterinarian clinic somewhere.

Speaker 4 I don't know exactly where and what part of the country, but whenever they have to like euthanize dogs, they like if they're sick or like old age or whatever, they give them a Hershey's kiss because they say no dog should die without trying chocolate.

Speaker 6 There's like a trend where people are like doing like a last day for my dog. And I, oh my God, I can't.

Speaker 6 I can't even think about it.

Speaker 5 Guys, this is getting really sad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 Well, I found the remote under Nick's pillow, everyone. So that's where it was the whole time.
My pillow. Yep, under your pillow.
That's where it was the whole time.

Speaker 1 So I was sleeping. Guess I'm not a princess.
Pillow princess?

Speaker 1 You guys never heard of the princess in the pee?

Speaker 1 Princess in the pea. Yeah.
I slept soundly, so I guess not a princess.

Speaker 8 That means like Nick's humble is what he's saying.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 8 Is that what that is? Yeah, because remember she could fill the pee because she was so spoiled that even with like 20 different

Speaker 8 mattresses stacked on top, she felt the one pee.

Speaker 1 I live a hard life. I really do.

Speaker 5 So special forces training.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes, yes, of course. Blake Lively has amended her complaint that came out yesterday with updates alleging.

Speaker 1 that there are additional women coming forward or that women additional women came forward and complained about Justin's onset behavior.

Speaker 1 And those people are prepared to testify at whatever trial may or may not come forward. So there is that.
So I don't know. I imagine the Justin Beldoni people will pick it apart and

Speaker 1 all the online trolls. I'm just really, really looking forward to the day this finally goes to court.

Speaker 1 I'm just looking forward to that day where I can tell all of you. I told you so.
There's going to be a lot of people who really embarrass themselves. Whitney Cumming comes to mind, most importantly.

Speaker 9 I don't think that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 Well, there's a lot of people, but I'm just like, most of the people who are like coming forward are just like people you've never heard of. They're like online.

Speaker 5 Oh, I meant Whitney Cummings has other stuff she can be embarrassed for.

Speaker 1 But she was one of the more mainstream public figures who like seemed to start writing for Justin, which I found a bit shocking. But whatever, I do.

Speaker 1 I feel very confident that people are going to find out.

Speaker 8 It does say the 137-page filing included new assertions of alleged misconduct saying, in quotes, Miss Lively was not alone in raising allegations of onset misconduct more than a year before the film was edited in evidence of alleged threats, harassment, and intimidation of Lively and others and defendants' retaliatory campaign.

Speaker 1 So I just think people really are missing the whole point. Like people should be really kind of scared about how effective this online smear campaign of Justin Bonroni's has been.

Speaker 1 As soon as like the witnesses start testifying, like the way, you know, the accusation about like Justin claiming he didn't stop when he didn't get consent and then her driver kicked him out.

Speaker 1 Like if he testifies, it's over.

Speaker 1 It's pretty easy to prove like the kind of online activity of Justin's smear campaign. You know, they're only just debating about who threw what punch first.
Anyways, more to come.

Speaker 1 We'll see what happens, but

Speaker 1 we'll see what happens when they go to a trial.

Speaker 8 Leave it to the courts, like ASAP Rocky did, and he is now innocent.

Speaker 1 Yes, ASAP Rocky is proven to be found not guilty. So a little different than innocent, but not guilty.

Speaker 4 Did you see his reaction where he jumped through the pews into Rihanna's arms?

Speaker 8 Yes, I read an article about that first, and I was like, they made it sound so like he dove into the crowd and flew across people.

Speaker 4 He really was like kind of crazy. Yeah, yeah, it really was.
Like, we have it.

Speaker 1 I love a good bet on yourself story, and this is one of the more ultimate bet on yourself stories.

Speaker 1 A man who was offered six months in prison, turned that down, was facing up to 25 years in prison, and won. That's a big bet.
That's a big bet. Let me see this video.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he dove. He absolutely dove.
That's sexy.

Speaker 1 He actually pushed someone out of the way to get to her.

Speaker 4 I think he, like, like his lawyer was there and he was like, oh, hug the, okay, get the fuck off me.

Speaker 1 My wife.

Speaker 5 If I, if I was married to Rihanna, I would do the exact same thing. She would be my number one priority.

Speaker 4 I don't even have to be married to her to want to do that.

Speaker 9 That's so true.

Speaker 1 Is Denise here? Yes. Let's bring her in.

Speaker 3 Your show is huge. I'm so happy for you.
Thank you, Denise. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 4 It was probably because you came on. Oh, stop.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you for having me. So good to be with you.
How have you been? I've been great.

Speaker 3 Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's nice to know.

Speaker 1 I hope you agree. But like first time you came on here, it was like, oh my God, we're having Denise Richardson.

Speaker 1 Like a bomb girl. And now we're friends.
I love that. Now we're like, we're family.

Speaker 3 And before, when I was here last time, you weren't parents yet.

Speaker 4 We were pregnant. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 She really. So

Speaker 3 how is parenthood? It's been over time.

Speaker 4 Lovely. She just turned one, beginning of this month.

Speaker 3 Isn't it crazy how fast?

Speaker 4 It goes so fast. I honestly had a moment the night before her birthday and I was like putting her to bed and I was crying and I was like, I must have just been like blacked out.

Speaker 4 How did it go by this fast? Like there's no way.

Speaker 3 It goes by really fast.

Speaker 1 I made Natalie cry last night though. Why? We were just talking about being parents and we're talking about our parents and I just.

Speaker 1 I was empathizing with our parents because, you know, sometimes as we get older and like, I don't know, sometimes we just get annoyed with our parents or we have expectations of our our parents or whatever or we don't need our parents we want things from our parents and i was just like well now that we have a kid like every day that goes by river will need us less and less you know like she can't shot in the heart so like that and then i started crying

Speaker 1 you know obviously because she has that bond but i was just kind of pointing out that like you know we were so used to river we can't look away for five seconds, especially now that she's walking.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 And so it's just like,

Speaker 1 for survival, our daughter needs constant supervision. And like every day that goes by, she gets a little bit more independent.
And that'll be the case every day for the rest of her life, you know?

Speaker 1 And I think as we get older as adults, we will kind of push back on our parents and want and fight for that independence, right? And it, you know, and I think as parents,

Speaker 1 I'm imagining as your daughters have gotten older, you've, you've felt that kind of.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's so hard. It's such a hard adjustment.
But at the same time, in a weird, strange way, they need us more when they get older too, because they need your advice.

Speaker 3 They, even though sometimes they don't want to hear it, you know, my mom even always said before, you know, she passed away, she was like, you never stop being the parent.

Speaker 3 You're always, I'm always going to be there and you're always going to need me. And I did, like whatever was going on.

Speaker 3 So it's just, and someone said this to me too, when around when my oldest daughter was one, it was a director and he's like, you know what? You grow with your kids. And it's so true.

Speaker 3 Like you'll grow with them. So it's not like all of a sudden they're babies and then they're out of the house, even though it kind of is a blink of an eye of it happening.
And my oldest is turning 21.

Speaker 3 It's crazy. In a few weeks, and I can't believe I have a 21-year-old daughter.
It's so weird. I remember being 21.
It's so surreal and strange.

Speaker 1 Oh, that is fun. So, how is, you know, so you have your new show out.

Speaker 3 Yes. We have a new show.

Speaker 1 Love the name. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Did you come up with that? No, I did not. Alex Baskin did.

Speaker 1 Ah, good old Alex. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Great name.

Speaker 1 It's a great name. It's a great name.
I'm very excited about it.

Speaker 1 I think all of Bravo Nation is excited to have you back.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much for saying that.

Speaker 1 Were you feeling any type of anxiety or nerves about that or feeling like maybe people weren't excited?

Speaker 3 Well, I think it's always nerve, you know, a little nervousness, especially, you know, when you join like the housewives. The housewives is successful no matter who's on the show.

Speaker 3 But when it's your own show, you're like, oh, good old.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's on all of us, me mostly.

Speaker 3 But, and it's a different experience having now my daughters being older, and they're very much a part of it. So, it's exciting, but of course, you're, you know, you're like, I hope people watch it.

Speaker 1 They definitely watch it. Well, that iconic line when it was like, dude, you're being such a bitch.

Speaker 1 Don't call your sister a dude.

Speaker 3 I forgot I said that until I saw it. I was like, oh, gosh.

Speaker 3 I was more concerned about her calling her a dude.

Speaker 1 were on TV.

Speaker 4 That is why. Yeah, it is good.

Speaker 1 Was it a fun filming process?

Speaker 3 It was, but it was also challenging working with your family. Yeah.
And especially the older girls, there were times where

Speaker 3 they may be a little tired or something. I'm like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 We have to show up.

Speaker 1 And I imagine when you guys discussed filming the show, like you went to your husband and the girls asked their interest in doing it definitely.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Alex approached me and said, what do you think about doing a family reality show?

Speaker 3 And then he and I and I thought that could be fun. I want to make sure though that the girls were wanting to do it.

Speaker 3 And so he and I met with the girls and they had a couple conversations with him and they were really excited about it. And then we shot a sizzle a year ago.

Speaker 3 And then we started filming a little shortly after that so it's been and for that it's it's very different because they they've done they were on we were on a reality show years ago but they were so little but then and they've done a few scenes on housewives but to be very involved it's a little different but i think they had fun doing it okay and then we'll see we'll see and we'll see some housewife cameos it looks like yeah mostly bev hills or are we gonna have some other um franchise crossovers yeah mostly bev hills yeah are you watching the season i i have i've only seen seen a few episodes

Speaker 1 this season. Because last night was

Speaker 1 I didn't see last night.

Speaker 3 Oh, I'll have to.

Speaker 1 It was a good episode. Yeah.
It was.

Speaker 1 Who are you close with?

Speaker 3 Camille.

Speaker 1 Specifically, like this season. And anyone on this current season?

Speaker 3 And Sutton and Garcell. Sutton Garcel.
And Kathy. Okay.

Speaker 1 I love Kathy. Can you help us get Kathy on this show? Yes.
I DM'd her once. And she wrote back.
She's like, let's do it. And then we went back and forth.
And she has since ghosted me.

Speaker 3 I know someone I can call to try to get her off.

Speaker 3 I'm sure she would love to be here. I think we would have someone.

Speaker 1 Oh, you would.

Speaker 3 She's so funny.

Speaker 1 She's so funny.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 I would die. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, there was that scene last night where they were all fighting and Buzz was like, you should just be quiet. And Kathy was like, you're right.

Speaker 3 Okay. I will make a call when I leave here.

Speaker 1 Okay. I would really appreciate it.
And also, I just want to say how proud I am of you on your special forces appearance.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much for saying that.

Speaker 1 Denise had called me up.

Speaker 1 So after, not two, a few months after she had came on the show, you know, and for people who don't remember or who didn't listen to the episode, Denise was very interested and asking questions about my time on Special Forces.

Speaker 4 And then very nervous about the craft services and the potty.

Speaker 1 The potty.

Speaker 3 But I told you, I think I told you I wasn't when I did do your show, I said there's no way I would do it.

Speaker 1 Right. You seemed on the fence.
You liked the idea.

Speaker 3 Because I remember I called you on the fence.

Speaker 1 I was on the fence. You were still on the fence.
Yeah. I was still on the fence.
And then I I went to, I remember it because Nan and I decided to like drive to Calabasas for brunch.

Speaker 1 It was one of those things that, like, let's do something different, you know?

Speaker 1 And it went by, that was a natalie. Let's do something different.
So we drove to Calabasas for a brunch that wasn't as good. Whatever.
Anyways, Denise called.

Speaker 1 And I was like, Denise Merchant was calling me. I'm like, I'm afraid.

Speaker 1 That's cute. But Denise called and she had some questions about special forces.
And I was, I answered those questions. And she ended up doing it.
And you were so like committed to doing well.

Speaker 1 And that was your big thing when you called is like you really wanted to go and kind of test yourself and see what you were capable of. And I really admired that.

Speaker 3 Thank you. I was so naive to think I could go further than what I did.

Speaker 4 But you did insane things. Like you jumped off of a moving boat onto a flying helicopter.

Speaker 1 I couldn't believe that. I was crazy.

Speaker 3 I was like, I didn't want to do that.

Speaker 1 I could have really gotten hurt.

Speaker 1 Just go. Did you not get hurt, though?

Speaker 3 I didn't get hurt on that. Jumping off the bridge, I did.

Speaker 1 Jumping off the bridge, you did.

Speaker 1 Oh, that one. That one, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I thought it was incredible. You were literally a speeding boat jumping onto a helicopter, and you did that.

Speaker 3 But you know what? In a movie, if that was like a real stunt, first of all, they wouldn't have the actor do it. Second of all, if we did, there would be all this.
I don't know, you'd rehearse more.

Speaker 3 You'd probably practice like somewhere else. It wouldn't be just like,

Speaker 3 okay, here we go, action and just go.

Speaker 1 No, literally, exactly. Like when I went into that show, I was like, oh, they're going to give us all this training.
And no, what happens is like, you're standing on like, I don't know, the shoreline.

Speaker 1 And then they go, look over there. And they like demo.
They're like, this is what you're going to do. Watch.
And they're like, go do that. Like, that's it.
That's all the training you get.

Speaker 4 Did you have to channel yourself? Like, try and think, like, okay, I'm in a movie. I'm acting.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do that.

Speaker 3 I had to pretend like I was doing a movie. Wow.
Other, if it was just me, I would have, I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have been able to go.

Speaker 3 When I saw the very first thing we had to do was to jump off a moving boat in this weird water, I didn't know what was in there. And we didn't have our phones to Google the body of water.

Speaker 3 I wanted to see if there were sharks and shit.

Speaker 1 So they take our phones away, as you know.

Speaker 3 And I was like, what the hell's in there? And it's dark and raining. And I don't know.
Anyway, it was scary.

Speaker 3 And when the helicopter was going up, I thought, okay, the further I go up, the further I'm going to go there.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so I just, I was like, I'm going to let go.

Speaker 1 You're a badass.

Speaker 1 I told you when we talked, I'm like, oh, you can finish if you, as long as you don't quit, unless you get hurt. And then, you know, yeah.

Speaker 3 No, I did get hurt, but even if I didn't get hurt, I would have opted out with the fight stuff when I saw they don't use a lot of head. Like, I don't need my nose broken right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, they really.

Speaker 3 I would have opted out for that.

Speaker 1 You're punching. You're

Speaker 1 just straight up fighting. Good for you.

Speaker 3 Like after doing it, I can't, for you to do what you did.

Speaker 3 incredible well thanks cineas this is about you but well thank you but but for obviously people it's it's much harder than it looks was there any part of you watching it back that was like i never saw it oh really

Speaker 3 i saw the clips i don't like um watching my like stuff but also that

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 in the room where they take the potato sack off your head, you know, I

Speaker 3 said stuff that I've never talked about before and I didn't know what they were airing. And I was like, and when I left there, I was like, oh my gosh, why did I say this?

Speaker 3 But I wanted to be honest too, and get out what I could from the show. But I think that's part of it too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're a little bit light. Yeah, I don't need to.

Speaker 3 I don't need to see that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, how do, and how are we feeling about the niece and the wild things?

Speaker 3 I mean, the one thing that people will see, we have pretty much no filter, which is not a surprise with myself and my family. And it's just a slice of life.
And I'm excited about it. And it's also,

Speaker 3 you know, you're so vulnerable when you're like, oh my gosh, we shot a reality show and it's all of us just out there.

Speaker 4 But did you feel safer in this environment than with like the housewives?

Speaker 4 Cause obviously you can't control what all these other women are saying and like they want to create drama and like here you're with your family.

Speaker 3 I think in a way I was more protective in this situation because of my girls, because, you know, they've lived in the shadow of their parents their whole life.

Speaker 3 And for them to be out there on their own, in a sense, that's you know, they're doing press, they're doing stuff, they've never done this before, so it's new for them.

Speaker 3 So, it's also being more protective about them being exposed to different things and comments and stuff like that. But that's uh, you know, so I think it's a little bit of bold that makes sense.

Speaker 1 Is Charlie making any type of appearances? He is, yeah, okay, yeah. Did you approach him and ask?

Speaker 1 I'm like, Hey, can you do this?

Speaker 3 And he said, Yes, right away. Then he was like, No, then yes, then no.
I'm like, You wanted me to do something for your documentary? You're doing this.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 3 And he had a good time, actually, I think it was a good experience.

Speaker 1 Well, that will be fun to watch.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, we, um, we, uh, it was he and I and Lola, and it was, it was good.

Speaker 1 And the relationship with your husband and Charlie is still pretty positive.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, they, they, from day one, they've always had a pretty good relationship, which helps.

Speaker 1 What else have you been up to?

Speaker 3 Well, that's been a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, quite busy with two shows.

Speaker 3 I've been busy with that and just family life, as you know, with kids. And

Speaker 3 it's been great and exciting.

Speaker 1 What have you been doing kind of just to unwind and kind of take care of yourself and relax? What have you been doing for fun?

Speaker 3 Well, I think I told you, I don't know if I shared this with you, but if I didn't, this is my advice to you guys being new parents, is I think it's good to always, like my husband and I, we do once a month where we'll do a staycation, where we will go to a hotel in the area and just shut down and not have any distractions.

Speaker 3 And I think it's so important for especially young parents too, to not forget to have romance and have your time to always reconnect. Exactly.

Speaker 3 And it's nice to just have that.

Speaker 3 I mean, you could still have sex too in your house, but I'm just saying it's nice to have like no distractions where, you know, so we went to we went to New York for an interview, which happened to be Valentine's Day.

Speaker 1 And so we went, we went alone. Oh, you did?

Speaker 3 Was that the first time leaving the baby?

Speaker 1 No, it's.

Speaker 4 That was like our third, but I think that was the longest time. It's usually like one night that we're able to leave.
This was two nights.

Speaker 1 It's a, it's a, I feel like it's a good balance. I'm always saying to Natalie, like, this is good for her.
I think this is good for us.

Speaker 1 You know, because like we're not going for any extended period of time. We're very lucky to feel very safe and confident with the child care that we do have, which is often her mom, which is nice.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, I think, I think I read somewhere you learn, but like, you know, you're at some point your child needs to learn that you can leave and come back. Right.

Speaker 1 And so even if it's for a short period of time. And so, yeah, we're, you know, tests in the water.
Nothing, nothing extended. It's a little nerve-wracking for sure.

Speaker 1 There's always a little bit of guilt. I hate to get

Speaker 1 to be away.

Speaker 4 It's because now she like knows that we're gone. You know, like before she just was so little, she didn't really like know what was going on.

Speaker 4 And now it's it's like, if we FaceTime and the FaceTime hangs up, she's crying. She's mad.

Speaker 1 She's like, where's her after that? Yeah, like five seconds.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 Exactly. And you know what? When she's 10, she's not going to remember.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 3 She's really going to be like, oh, my parents left. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I think it's important for kids to know, like mom and dad or mom and mom or dad and dad, whoever is like, it's okay for them to, like, they need their time too.

Speaker 1 I think it's good for kids. I think so.

Speaker 3 And then when they get a little bit older, you'll be like, can we leave for a week?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got to get out of here. Mom, they're crazy.

Speaker 1 Do you keep up with Kyle or Darit at all?

Speaker 3 Darreed, I don't.

Speaker 3 Kyle, though.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So you don't know anything about what's going on with Doreet's marriage?

Speaker 3 I don't.

Speaker 4 I mean, I've heard it's a big storyline of this season.

Speaker 1 I bet it is. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Kyle's involvement and like PK's the friendship. It's all

Speaker 4 a big mess on this season.

Speaker 3 So I personally don't know. Like I didn't ask Kyle about it.

Speaker 1 I mean, if I were in your position, I would definitely not.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't watch often at shows I'm on. I did watch Special Forces, though.

Speaker 3 Well, how could you not? When you went, you know, you made it to

Speaker 3 as far as you did.

Speaker 1 I don't watch any of my acting.

Speaker 1 Yes. It's been traumatic for me.

Speaker 3 Why is it traumatic for you?

Speaker 1 I think it's a little imposter syndrome for sure. I don't really need to critique my performances.
I was just happy to be there.

Speaker 3 And do you want to do more acting?

Speaker 1 Do you like it? I do like it. You know, I was doing more a few years back with the show taking off and us being so busy.

Speaker 1 I've had less opportunities and certainly have had less opportunities to study and practice because I'm not a natural, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 I do like, really, I really enjoyed studying it and taking the classes and getting better and like understanding what it took to be a good actor and just like the prep that goes into it and more than anything, just kind of having respect for acting.

Speaker 1 And before I even took any acting classes, I would just watch movies, I'd watch TV, and I would just be watching a show. I wouldn't really even think about the performances.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Right, right. And then once you, you know, are able to go on set or you study acting a little bit, you do acting classes, you watch it in a different way.

Speaker 1 And I've always, I've enjoyed that process of like being aware of like that's a, you know, watching a performance and being, and realizing what that is and, you know, understanding.

Speaker 1 how TV is made or how movies are made. I have a much different appreciation for it.
So if I get the opportunity to do it, I would love to do it.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it's, it's not something that I'm like, I'm not studying it as much as I used to. Just like, you know, the show, Fatherhood, things like that.

Speaker 1 It's been, it's been tougher, but how about you? Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 Well, it's funny too. When I watch movies or TV shows, if it's a night scene, I'm thinking, oh, gosh, they're freezing.
They were, you know, you're up all night doing these, these shoots.

Speaker 3 And so I do look at it too differently. Or if it's

Speaker 3 action movies are hard, but if it's a one line here or there, and to do that well is it's not as easy as it looks sometimes. So it is, you just look at it a little differently.

Speaker 1 Well, it's the thing. The better the performance, the easier it looks because you don't really think of the performance.

Speaker 1 It looks like someone just experienced, you're like you were watching a documentary. Do you think you'll ever want to get, you know, back into acting or are you really enjoying the reality TV?

Speaker 1 The year

Speaker 3 has been tough with that because with the strike and things, I was going to be doing a few projects, but they all got pushed.

Speaker 3 But uh, I love acting and you know, I've been lucky that I've done a few other movies, but this year has been a little with the business and stuff.

Speaker 3 But I, I love it, I love being on set, I love the camaraderie with everyone and collaborating. It's fun.

Speaker 1 How were you affected, if at all, with the fires? I know, like, were you're in Malibu?

Speaker 3 Uh, Calabasas.

Speaker 3 We did have to evacuate. We were so lucky, though.
I mean,

Speaker 3 my gosh, you know, living living in LA my whole adult life, seeing fires here, that was the worst I've ever seen. The worst to see what's happened.

Speaker 1 But you guys were safe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We were.

Speaker 4 Did you have to? I mean, I know we did, and it was a very traumatic thing to even have to like pack a to-go bag to like think of everything that you cannot replace.

Speaker 3 Well, because we were in the WooSlee fires, and I learned after that, you have to have everything ready because we lost some things in that one. But

Speaker 3 with this time, like trying to, we did have to evacuate. We were out for about two weeks.
Wow. Almost.
Where'd you go? Santa Barbara.

Speaker 3 We got an Airbnb. We were hotel hopping and then we were able to get like a, because also we didn't have power mostly.
It was that.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 3 but it's all good. We're all safe and everything's great.
So

Speaker 1 curious, you know, and in housewife's world, you know, it's like there's a lot of close friendships, as you know, and then, you know, but it's also a lot of you're in the limelight, you know, housewives sometimes is predicated off of jealousy and things like that.

Speaker 1 I'm curious, like getting your own show while nerve-wracking and obviously the pressure, it's, you know, I feel like there's a lot of housewives out there that would prefer their own show rather than being part of an ensemble cast.

Speaker 1 And have you felt any jealousy or has it just been all support from your friends?

Speaker 3 Or the ones I'm friends with, I've felt support. Okay.
I don't know the ones that i'm not friends with

Speaker 1 they can be

Speaker 1 throwing out

Speaker 3 phone calls and someone just breathing on the other end of the thing up yeah no um i'm sure they're you know whatever i you don't give a fuck i don't okay i don't mean to say it like that but it's like when you're if i gave a fuck i would have you know I've had so much shit said over the years and that kind of thing that at some point I just had to have thick skin and just do what I want it is honestly such a healthy mindset I feel like to have is just to be like I don't give a fuck like I really it's a blessing in a way when you've had shitty shit written about you you're like at some point you're like okay well what more could they say no I really don't care it's fine just gonna live my life really do you remember was there any particular thing that you had to go through that you really

Speaker 3 my divorce your divorce yeah that was really hard that was the first time I ever experienced bad press and being misunderstood and having lies out there where I felt like I had to defend it.

Speaker 3 And, you know, my publicist would, who I'm still with, I've been with her forever, would tell me, don't say anything.

Speaker 3 And I would just be so, I really wanted to, but she was so right with that, just to sit back, just be quiet.

Speaker 3 But it's hard because when you're misunderstood, and, you know, I kind of had to go in a bubble and not.

Speaker 3 read anything or hear about anything because it's it could be very toxic and dark especially having young babies trying to be mom and a single mom and doing all of that. And it affected my job.

Speaker 3 It was really hard. And so, but it was such a good lesson for me because I was always like a people pleaser and worried when I did interviews what to say.

Speaker 1 Bless you. Thank you.
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 So it was just, it was actually the silver line in going through all that was that I was able to just be myself doing. stuff.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Yeah. I feel like today's, like, I feel like TikTok is the like nasty okay magazine and like the like tabloids of that era who would just print crazy false like makeup.

Speaker 4 So I feel like TikTok is that today because it's like anyone can say anything and run with it and it gets millions of views and goes viral and whatever.

Speaker 4 And so yeah, it's like for me, I don't, I don't get on TikTok. I don't, because like the second I get on, I have an intense anxiety of like, what?

Speaker 5 I know. Because people can just say anything.

Speaker 1 They can say whatever.

Speaker 3 And it's crazy. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm glad I didn't go through my divorce during this time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
No, it's

Speaker 1 nuts out there.

Speaker 3 No, it's not good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But there's a lot of positive with it all, too. But still, I'm glad my shit was

Speaker 3 before that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was going to ask you something.
I forgot.

Speaker 3 Are you going to ask me about the toilet on special forces?

Speaker 1 You want me to? No, I'm joking.

Speaker 4 That was one of your, when you were sitting here, you were like, I'm worried about the craft, the food. You're like, where's the craft services set up?

Speaker 1 There's no craft service.

Speaker 3 You were right about that.

Speaker 1 There's definitely no craft service.

Speaker 1 There is at the end. Oh, right.
When you finish.

Speaker 3 And you go through the gates.

Speaker 1 There's a whole camp. Yeah, there's a whole camp.
It's like

Speaker 1 civilization. You're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 I know. It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Made hot tea for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, real food. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you know, soda, you know, whatever.

Speaker 3 Did you guys have a changing room outside?

Speaker 1 with the heaters there was a changing room next door with yeah like when when you were doing your tasks tasks and if you guys got cold or wet or whatever, did yeah, there was like a dry, a drying room so we could dry our clothes.

Speaker 3 No, but not in the camp, but like when you're out doing stuff. Cause I remember when you guys were doing that, there'd be even just a little plastic tent.

Speaker 1 Sometimes there was a tent.

Speaker 3 We never had that.

Speaker 1 Well, the first time there was a tent and then like there was always a tent for safety, but then they would tell, they wouldn't let us use the tent.

Speaker 1 You know, so like unless you were dying, you had to change outside.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. Got it.
Got it.

Speaker 1 Basically. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I was surprised by that. And when you have to change on TV.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was like, oh, gosh.
No, it's network television. You just have to trust that, you know, someone's going to see it, but I know

Speaker 3 still when, and it's freezing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Especially for us guys, you know.

Speaker 4 Wait, so the potty was

Speaker 1 just a bucket, right?

Speaker 3 Well, no, I did get a private toilet.

Speaker 1 Okay. What do you mean?

Speaker 3 So there's the ones where the door, because I was like, I don't want where you could see legs. I I want the full door.

Speaker 1 That was at Denise Richards' request.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I'm like, I'm not going to sit next to you.

Speaker 1 Did they build full door?

Speaker 3 They, so they, it took a month. Um, and then we heard back.
So I thought, I'm not going to, I'm not doing the show. And then they were like, we got, we got the toilet sorted.

Speaker 3 They called it the dumpster something. I forgot what it was called.
But I said.

Speaker 3 They said it would just be for me. And I said, I'm sure they're going to love that I'm saying this, but I'm so sorry, producers.

Speaker 3 But that, so I said, I don't want people to know it's just my toilet because then I'll have a target on my back and then they're going to not like me.

Speaker 3 So it was for everyone, but I said, well, where is this toilet going to be? Do we get a tour of the place?

Speaker 3 I thought the producers would like show us around and then on TV it would be the DS. It's not like that.
You don't even see the producers.

Speaker 3 So I saw, she goes, trust me, you're going to see where the toilet is. And I saw it was like covered covered with

Speaker 3 some, I don't know what shrubs or some shit. Cam Newton is so damn tall.
He just leaned over. He's like, wait a second, there's a toilet in here.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 yeah, but I, so I didn't, I shut my mouth. I didn't say anything.
But apparently after I left, Golden Tate told me they locked the door and I didn't last long. So I was like.
That's kind of shitty.

Speaker 3 Why didn't they leave that thing unlocked for everyone else?

Speaker 1 But no one knew that it was. Yeah.

Speaker 3 wow once i was out which was only two days are you watching traders at all yes i love it it's so great would you ever do it um yeah i thought they would give you whatever toilet you want they asked me actually to do it but it was a couple days after special forces why like the breakfast they asked you to do seat this past this past but i um i couldn't because we started filming already

Speaker 3 right yeah so um i had to get back to la

Speaker 3 but uh yeah when i see that that castle with that nice breakfast outfit.

Speaker 1 What about next season? Would you do it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I probably would.

Speaker 1 I love the show. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Who are you rooting for the most on this season?

Speaker 3 I wish Chris didn't get off. I liked her.
She's so sweet.

Speaker 1 I know. She's so sweet.

Speaker 3 I love Dolores.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's great. Such a shame she got voted.
That was Dorinda. Oh, Dorinda.

Speaker 1 Dolores. Too many dudes.
Housewives.

Speaker 3 The other housewife.

Speaker 4 They really do target.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they really do do target housewives, though.

Speaker 3 They do.

Speaker 4 They do. So you would have to be like, I'm not a housewife.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I am Denise Richards of the Wildings.

Speaker 1 I am not. I don't think you give a shit.

Speaker 3 So you obviously watch the show. Would you do it?

Speaker 1 I would. I hope we get a chance.
It's tough with this show. I'm busy with this show.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But hopefully someday. Do you think he should do it?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. And do you think he should be a traitor or a faithful?

Speaker 4 I think he should be a faithful just because he's really not a good liar at all. Like, he's one of those who's like, I lied to you earlier about, I just can't, I can't go on any longer.

Speaker 4 Like, I didn't take the trash out.

Speaker 9 I lied to you.

Speaker 4 So, I feel like they, if he was a traitor, there's a lot of like manipulating and lying. Usually, it's not the trash.

Speaker 1 It's like, did you smoke weed? And I'm like,

Speaker 1 yes.

Speaker 4 He's, no, it's, it's what?

Speaker 1 What? Did you smoke weed? What? Huh?

Speaker 4 And then he gets up and like, oh, someone's at the door.

Speaker 1 Like, I have to go

Speaker 4 hang up clothes or something.

Speaker 5 She should have to leave immediately.

Speaker 1 When you, who gets the remote?

Speaker 3 I would like to have it. However, then it's set down.
And then all of a sudden he takes it and puts it on the other side. I'm like, where the hell is the remote?

Speaker 4 And then you're looking for it for forever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And he's like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 Does he, do y'all get in bed at the same time? If it's like, okay. And then does.

Speaker 3 And we like to watch the same stuff. Yes.

Speaker 4 Good. So, yep.
So do we. Does like

Speaker 4 he gets your water, turn off the lights, lock the doors. He does the nightly duties.

Speaker 1 He does the nightly duties. As he should, right? Right.
Yes.

Speaker 3 He brings me coffee in the morning. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Same. Every morning.
Same.

Speaker 1 Oh, you do. Not every morning.
I made my own this morning. So I asked you.

Speaker 1 Not today. Not today.

Speaker 1 Okay, now he's turned into a little barista and she has her little cappuccino machine. I offer to make her coffee and then she's like, no, I got it.

Speaker 4 But then I said, actually, you know what? I would like for you to make me coffee, but he never turned on the. I did.

Speaker 1 No, I did. What happened? Because there wasn't coffee and I had to make my own.

Speaker 3 Why did she have to make her own coffee today?

Speaker 1 Because I was also making our daughter breakfast.

Speaker 3 Okay, so when your daughter wakes up in the middle of the night, if she, I'm sure she sleeps through the night, but I'm sure if she wakes up. It's time to

Speaker 3 get up with her. Me.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's nice. But

Speaker 1 I enjoy it.

Speaker 4 Honestly, it's really because if I were to go in there, it would be like time to play.

Speaker 4 It's harder to get her back down. Yeah, it's a lot harder.

Speaker 4 She's a lot more of like a calmer energy.

Speaker 1 It's great. I walk in and I put on one of Natalie's robes.
Real.

Speaker 1 It's like a mini dress. That's so cute.

Speaker 1 Like this. And then we cuddle and then I put her back to sleep.

Speaker 3 So she doesn't sleep in your room at all.

Speaker 4 She did in the beginning.

Speaker 4 We transitioned her to her crib at like four months, four and a half months, and she loves it. And she like

Speaker 4 with the little stuffed animals in each corner of the crib and she like will play.

Speaker 3 How old was she when she started sleeping through the night?

Speaker 4 Honestly, when we put her in at four months, she was like, first night.

Speaker 1 I'm good to go. Yeah, first night.

Speaker 1 Real lucky. And now, sometimes we try to bring her into our room, but like, Nellie is too much of a distraction.
Right.

Speaker 4 There is no, like, let's fall back asleep, everyone. It's like, it's hard.
I need to be on top of my mom.

Speaker 3 And it's amazing how much room they take up for being so little.

Speaker 4 It's crazy. Right? It's crazy.
I'll be on like the far corner and she's really close up next to me. And then Nick is really close.
And I'm like, there is so much room, Nick, on your side.

Speaker 4 You've got to scoot over.

Speaker 1 Everyone has got to scoot over.

Speaker 1 most nights i have jeff so we steve's in the kennel

Speaker 1 or dogs jeff jeff is in the bed and wait what kind of dog is jeff i love the names they're labor human names they're little dudes

Speaker 1 but jeff is just like up next to me and there are some nights where i'm just sandwiched between natalie body heat and jeff's body heat and i'm so and she's in pants

Speaker 3 do you sleep in pants um no i sleep in either my husband's boxers or um i have these skims shorts Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We love skims.

Speaker 3 I love skims so much.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 Mali sleeps in pants.

Speaker 4 It's because our house is really cold.

Speaker 3 And I keep the room cold, but I like thousands of blankets. And my husband doesn't like to sleep.

Speaker 3 This is where we have our disagreements with the bedding because I like really thick weighted comforters.

Speaker 3 He likes the soft, shitty ones.

Speaker 1 And so like

Speaker 1 pigs in. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, at that thing, I need to feel like I'm being being hugged.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's especially if you're in shorts. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I like the room cool, but I like to be under a thousand, like, very thick blankets. But we have Tim that sleeps with us.
That's our naked cat. And Blue

Speaker 3 is our naked cat. Not our neighbor.
Not Tim the neighbor.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 4 When you said Steve's in the kennel, I said our dog because I told you he'd be like, Steve's in the kennel, but Jeff isn't.

Speaker 1 I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 7 Steve is really good.

Speaker 4 Steve is naughty. Steve is so bad.
He opens drawers. He pulls stuff out all the time.

Speaker 1 In fairness to steve there's a bit of a transmissional period jeff was our first so jeff kind of got dibs and like and we kettle trained jeff right away

Speaker 1 i love the names too every every time is as soon as we got jeff everyone's like kettle train kettle train so we did we kettle trained jeff i think it was kennel what did i say kettle

Speaker 1 i know what he was talking about like kettle chips you know kennel whatever Valentine's, Valentine's, doesn't matter. You all know what I'm saying.
Anyways, we trained him.

Speaker 1 And eventually Jeff started sleeping with us. We loved it.
It was great.

Speaker 3 It was so nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, it was wonderful. And then we had a child.
Well, nobody got Steve. It was like, you know, we had a good first baby, like Jeff.

Speaker 1 Jeff was a very good like dog, like just really well-behaved, kettle-trained. Well, we just kind of like didn't kennel train Steve.
And so Steve started getting in bed with us. We're having two dogs.

Speaker 1 It was just, it got a little bit. It was a lot.
I get it. We had to go back.
So, and then Steve was kind of misbehaving. So we had to go back, kennel train him.
Now he likes the kennel.

Speaker 1 And honestly, like, it's just too many fucking dogs in bed. And Steve, when we we go to bed, he just goes right into his kennel.
That's like his bedroom. Like, that's his bedroom.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Every once in a while, like, he'll, you know, we'll leave.
We'll forget to lock the kennel because usually he'll just stay in there. And sometimes he'll creep up in bed.

Speaker 3 Is the kennel in your room? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's sweet. But Steve is much better with River.
Like, they're friends. Oh, that's good.
Jeff wants nothing to do with River.

Speaker 4 If she comes near him, he's like,

Speaker 1 that's so leaves.

Speaker 7 And Steve will let her pet.

Speaker 1 Steve and River are going to be very close friends. Yeah.
Oh, that's really cool.

Speaker 4 Was Tim around when your girls were?

Speaker 3 No, Tim,

Speaker 3 he's only two years old. Him and his sister, our dogs, that most of them have passed away, but they were always good with the girls.

Speaker 3 We do have Lily. She's 12, though.
So

Speaker 3 she's a lab. She's getting up there.
She loves to sleep in the bed, but she's a lab. So she had stairs.
But then my husband, now he moves the stairs so she can't go up. He's like, this is too much.

Speaker 4 With the naked cats.

Speaker 3 With the naked cats. And the naked cats, they're like heaters.
So are they? Yeah. And Blue sleeps down by my legs and it's really hot.
And then Tim sleeps on Aaron's under his armpit.

Speaker 1 So we have a full bed, too. It's a full bed.
It's a full bed. Yeah.
It gets hot.

Speaker 1 There's a lot going on.

Speaker 4 Do you and Aaron share a drink? What do you, you mean, like, we have a communal cup. We drink like at dinner.

Speaker 4 Nick and I will make one big Stanley of like full of water and we, there's one straw and we share.

Speaker 3 I mean, I would take a sip out of it if I couldn't find my water.

Speaker 1 Right. But you have your own.
But we wouldn't, we have our own.

Speaker 1 But I'm not judging. No, of course.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 4 We are very much in the minority of that.

Speaker 1 When you guys are filming season two.

Speaker 3 Thank you for saying that.

Speaker 1 Can we double date? Can we do like a scene?

Speaker 3 Okay, I'm going to hold you to that. Actually.
You swear you'll do it?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, as long as it's fun.

Speaker 3 My husband would love to talk to you because as long as it's fun and we goof around.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, what?

Speaker 3 He's, first of all, he's so obsessed with special forces. Why I really did that damn show is because of him.

Speaker 1 You want to turn him on?

Speaker 1 That's why I did it.

Speaker 3 No, I actually thought I wouldn't turn him on because I thought there's no way I could even do this damn thing.

Speaker 3 No, he wanted to live vicariously through me, I think, because he would kill it if he did it. So I know he would love to talk to you about it.
He loved you on the show.

Speaker 1 We would, yeah. So we'll double date.
We'll do a little date. We'll do a little date.
We'll for sure do that. Denise and dad.
That would be good.

Speaker 3 I would love that.

Speaker 1 We'll just be your friends. Thank you.
Well, we are friends. Thank you.
I know, but I want the world to see us be friends.

Speaker 1 You're just like, we're just having dinner with our friends.

Speaker 1 That would be fun.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 You guys have to make sure.

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.
Thank you. Sign out.
Absolutely. Sign up.
We're there.

Speaker 3 Tell Alex. So I love that you're a cowboy gear.
Do you ever want to move out of LA?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 Where would your dream place go?

Speaker 1 Somewhere in the south.

Speaker 3 I would, I want to go to Tennessee.

Speaker 4 So I'm from Alabama, lived in Georgia for a while, grew up going to Tennessee a ton. So I think we just have a lot.

Speaker 4 Like, I just, since having River, I feel like we both want to just like raise her in a different, a slower life, a slower atmosphere, you know, bigger community, closer to family.

Speaker 4 So I do think we're going to end up in the South at some point,

Speaker 4 hopefully sooner rather than later.

Speaker 1 Sure, does your mom? If we have a house in Tennessee or anywhere in the south at some point, maybe you guys can, you and Erin, come and visit. We would love to.

Speaker 1 And we'll do like a whole like episode of like

Speaker 1 Denise goes to, Denise goes to the south to Alabama. Yeah, we can do it or Georgia or Texas.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'll move to Alabama.

Speaker 4 I need like he needs a little bit of

Speaker 1 humanity. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now you might offend some people that live in Alabama.

Speaker 1 Danny's mom lives in Alabama. All right, fine.

Speaker 1 Listen, it's lovely. I've been there.
It's I understand.

Speaker 3 Not for me. It's not for you to live.

Speaker 1 No, not for me to live. I get it.

Speaker 4 As someone who grew up there, it is quite boring. At least the place.
I mean, I grew up in a college town. And if you're like not in college or retired, it's like it.

Speaker 3 But your mom lives too here now.

Speaker 4 No, no, my mom's still in Alabama. She comes to visit like once a month for a week or something.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's so nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She's been very helpful when it comes to helping us have an adventurous life.

Speaker 4 That's good. Would y'all ever move out of LA?

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure. Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever leave L.A.
I would always want to have a place where we aspire to be bicostal.

Speaker 1 I think that's good.

Speaker 3 But if I could do it all over again with kids, I would raise them somewhere else.

Speaker 1 I don't think our children will be going to school in the Los Angeles school system. I think that might be good.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I think so.

Speaker 3 It's changed a little bit over the years here.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just in a short time.

Speaker 1 What should we talk about before we let you go?

Speaker 3 We've already decided you're going to be on second season.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 I'm going to visit you guys in the south. Okay.

Speaker 3 What else could I say about our show with the housewives? You might see maybe Erica Jane.

Speaker 3 Camille's going to be there.

Speaker 3 Tori. Spelling.
Has Tori done your show?

Speaker 1 She virtually.

Speaker 1 Virtually. Okay.

Speaker 3 She's funny.

Speaker 1 She's a she's a hoop. She's a hoop.

Speaker 3 Yeah. She's another one with no filter, which I love.

Speaker 4 Yeah, this is going to be such a good show.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 3 And, you know, it's just, we're just crazy, a crazy family.

Speaker 1 Where I'm like, oh, sure.

Speaker 1 When is it premiere?

Speaker 3 March 4th. March 4th.

Speaker 1 March 4th.

Speaker 1 Are you going to watch this back?

Speaker 3 I had to because I'm a producer.

Speaker 1 So I had to see the episodes.

Speaker 1 And when you say producer, are you allowed to have creative

Speaker 1 input and post-production?

Speaker 3 You know, I am.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 I was so happy how they put everything together. They did a great job.

Speaker 3 And each episode is short. We're doing two episodes back-to-back, and we premiere right after The Housewives of Beverly Os.

Speaker 1 Will it be dramatic?

Speaker 3 The show? Yeah. It's funny.
It's more like light-hearted, family, more funny than a lot of love. I can't wait.
It's silly drama between siblings and myself with being a parent and

Speaker 1 that kind of stuff. Relatable stuff.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think that some people might be able to relate to it a little bit.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to watch it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 It's so great to have you on. Well, thank you for having me.
You're the best. Come back.

Speaker 1 Can you come back when your season's airing? Sure. Talk about it.
Yeah, I would love to.

Speaker 1 I don't want to bother you, Denise, because, you know, I just don't want to overstate my welcome okay i'll bother you and say can i come on okay great thank you does that work please someday can you come on and just talk like house like beverly hills hot like kind of i want you to come talk oh you mean about the show let me catch up watching season i would definitely just love your input because like you you know these i don't i've never really i've never i've met i've met kyle for like i introduced myself to kyle for 20 seconds i've never met sutton uh i've never met doreit i've never met bose i don't really know you know so like you know okay sometimes i like that because, like, when we talk about them, you know, it's like, I don't know, you know, but like the more we talk about, I'd like, I'd love to get an accurate.

Speaker 3 Okay, so you must be very disappointed and probably like, oh, fuck, she didn't even watch this season, and I have so many questions for her. So I'm going to catch up and I'll watch it.

Speaker 1 I didn't have you on to talk.

Speaker 1 I was curious if you were. I'm joking.
So I'm going to watch it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And I'll tell you my thoughts.
I do think the timing of,

Speaker 3 well, I'll watch. I'll catch up.

Speaker 1 Well, Denise, so good to see you.

Speaker 3 So good to see you.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, on Denise Show. March 4th, it's a nice day.
March 4th on Bravo.

Speaker 3 So Tuesday nights. Tuesday nights.

Speaker 1 Following Beverly Hills Housewives.

Speaker 3 Beverly Hills Housewives. I know.
What a great lead-in.

Speaker 3 I know. I feel very blessed.
Thank you for that.

Speaker 1 They must feel very good about this. I hope so.
Oh.

Speaker 1 It could be following Roney.

Speaker 1 That wouldn't be good.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's true.

Speaker 4 This is going to be so exciting. I'm so excited to watch it.
It's going to be amazing.

Speaker 1 Congratulations.

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 4 Thank you so much. You really crushed Special Forces.

Speaker 1 We were like, damn, she killed it.

Speaker 3 I wasn't on. If you blinked, I was going to do that.

Speaker 1 But you did some crazy hard, hard challenges. Do you think, and I don't mean this with any disrespect, but do you think Darit

Speaker 1 or any of the current cast of Beverly Hills would jump out of a boat onto a helicopter? I don't. No.

Speaker 3 The only one I think that would probably be Erica. Yeah, Erica.
Oh, yeah. She's got some bolts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I could picture Erica doing it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But not many housewives. I'm just

Speaker 3 many on Beverly Hills. That's true.
So, but thank you for saying that.

Speaker 1 Always great to see you.

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Speaker 1 Oh, well, we love Denise. Always great to catch up with our queen.
Very excited about her show. I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
We're going to have to bring her back with her daughters.

Speaker 1 I think that'll be a fun dynamic to see them all interact. Up next, we're talking a little Love is Blind episodes four through six, and we have Alex coming up.

Speaker 1 This relationship between him and Madison was wild.

Speaker 4 I'm glad he made the decision he made.

Speaker 1 I'm curious how he came to that decision. She seems like a bad breaker-upper.

Speaker 1 I mean, I feel like that was somebody that was paying attention to the context clues because the way that she was talking about the other guy, Mason, yeah it was just like oh you're not a nice person well when she broke up with mason and then yeah i don't know mason did the whole thing of like kind of acting like oh maybe he didn't mean what he said or whatever i don't know but like you could her body language changed so quickly and she got really upset because she she wanted him to be upset yeah she wanted him to be hurt and mad it was definitely not like i'm glad you have another person and like you should you know like she wasn't happy for him

Speaker 4 and i'm always cheering you on and She wanted him crushed. Yeah, you take it back.
So you, you're not, you don't, you weren't ever committed to me.

Speaker 1 It was like an ego shot. And then when she's talking to Alex and, you know, he's friends with Mason and just saying, well, I just see both sides.
She says, Mason really hurt me.

Speaker 1 You know, she didn't accuse him of, you know, I assume she means emotionally, but that's like such a, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 You broke up with him and all he did was this kind of like, you know, as people do when they're getting broken up with or maybe feel a certain way, kind of like, maybe just try to take back, you know, feeling kind of embarrassed, opening up.

Speaker 1 And like that turned into her telling someone, some random person that this guy hurt her.

Speaker 4 Well, not only that, she also sabotaged Mason's other relationship and then is playing the victim in the situation, being like, this is what you guys signed up for.

Speaker 4 Everybody's dating multiple people at this point or like getting down to like their single person.

Speaker 4 But she's taking it out like, well, if he was going to choose me, he didn't have real feelings for you. So are you going to break up with him? Like that was wild to watch.

Speaker 1 No, vindictive, scary, and it did.

Speaker 4 Like, I feel like it definitely made Meg question everything with Mason, which ended up obviously in both of them just going home, which was sad.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because I actually would have liked to see that relationship carry on outside of the pods.

Speaker 1 The only thing I'm mad about Alex, and we will obviously ask him how he came to this decision, is this like I would have liked to see this relationship explode.

Speaker 5 You're mad at him for TV purposes, not for his murder.

Speaker 1 No, not for his mental health or his overall well-being, Yeah.

Speaker 6 For ours.

Speaker 1 But like, Alex's emotional maturity really fucked us.

Speaker 1 Let's bring him up. Hello.
Hello. Alex.
How's it going? What a beautiful face. How are you doing? I'm good.
How are you? I'm good. Okay.

Speaker 10 I'm feeling really good.

Speaker 1 Well, we have a lot of questions for you. So we're excited to ask you those.
We were just talking about... your relationship with Madison.

Speaker 1 Very proud of you because, you know, I watching this back, I don't know if you know this. I'm from Wisconsin.
So also a Midwest guy. Watching you, in a lot of ways, reminded me of like younger me.

Speaker 1 And that relationship reminded me of like the type of people I pursued early in life. And so, really proud that you seemed to pick up on some red flags that were demonstrated.

Speaker 1 So, you know, for your mental health, you seem to be, you know, make a really sound decision. For TV purposes, we were sad to see this relationship end so quickly.

Speaker 1 You know, I kind of wanted to see it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you couldn't have like stuck it out a little longer for the vacation.

Speaker 10 You know, I went into this experiment and I said, I'm going to be completely authentic to myself. And whatever I honestly feel, I'm going to go with it.

Speaker 10 And I said, there's no pressure to continue on the show if I don't sincerely feel like it's going to work.

Speaker 10 And I wanted to be true to myself and not force anything and be that guy that just goes along with it just to be on TV or have an experience. So I was never going to do that.

Speaker 10 You know, I realized that at the end, it wasn't going to work. So I cut it off.
No hard feelings about it.

Speaker 10 But, you know, it is a shame because our story, I I feel like, was very interesting and people were disappointed that they couldn't hear more of us.

Speaker 1 So, yeah,

Speaker 1 it is what it is. I feel like there could have been more to unpack there, but totally get it.

Speaker 1 What were some of the things that you started noticing, you know, that maybe stopped you from thinking this was a relationship you could pursue? Because it really seemed like she had landed on you.

Speaker 1 She was going back and forth between you and Mason. What were some of the things that stopped you from pursuing that relationship?

Speaker 10 Well, I guess just to start with, you know, they don't show 99% of what we talk about in the pods. And Madison and I really did have a good relationship.

Speaker 10 We had a lot of fun in there that they didn't show really. It was all very, very serious conversations.

Speaker 10 So we had a really, really solid relationship.

Speaker 10 But I think the main concern that was showed was the

Speaker 10 lack of communication. I think we both just had very different communication styles.
And I was trying to get ahead of that, right? Because I've had issues with that that in the past.

Speaker 10 And I know how important that is and how like detrimental to a relationship that can be.

Speaker 10 And I've had some really, really tough relationships in the past because of that core issue of not being on the same page with our communication.

Speaker 10 So I wanted to really take that seriously and try to figure out if that's something that we were on the same page or not.

Speaker 10 And, you know, just some things came up in the pods that just showed that we we weren't on that same page. And so I had to make the tough decision to cut it off, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, was there anything specific that you can share with us that maybe we didn't get to see that, you know, kind of raised some concerns on your end?

Speaker 10 I think definitely the Mason situation, just how that was handled, I don't know, just didn't really sit right with me.

Speaker 10 As someone who was bullied, I feel like... there was a little bit of bullying going on there with Mason.
And I just didn't feel like that was rightfully placed on him.

Speaker 10 And, you know, there was maybe a little more negativity than what was shown coming from Madison.

Speaker 10 And I just, that's why I kept pushing back and saying, I understand his perspective, you know, and I said that so many times, but it was coming from a place of a response to the negativity.

Speaker 10 And I mean, there were just some other really small instances where, you know, I just, we, we, it was awkward in the pods because I would say something, she wouldn't respond to it in a way that

Speaker 1 made sense to me, you know, and that's that's not saying it was right or wrong it just showed that we were very different people and so yeah i don't know if i can come up with specific examples but yeah well it was interesting you know when i was watching it there you know madison was doing a lot of things that i for me demonstrated a lot of red flags you know it just seemed like she kind of seemed like a bad breaker-upper she seemed to really want mason to like i felt like she wanted him to be crushed you know when she decided to end it with him and she didn't like his response and it seemed almost kind of vengeful she did say something that made me kind of empathize with her or at least understand her where she said something to you like, it doesn't matter like how much you fight or whatever.

Speaker 1 It just matters kind of like how you were, you know, it's always like if you guys give up.

Speaker 4 If you don't give up and how like you fight through it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was just like, well, that makes a lot of sense coming from her because it felt like this person, all she knows is just conflict and fighting.

Speaker 1 And it's all about the making up and getting back together, which, you know, when I was 21 was kind of fun, I guess.

Speaker 1 But like, kind of to your point, I imagine that's kind of what when you said had you had issues with that in the past.

Speaker 1 If you've ever been in a relationship like that and you've really tried to like reflect and try to have a healthier relationship going forward, you know, you realize that like, yeah, fighting isn't a good thing.

Speaker 1 And yeah, all couples fight and conflicts do happen. But like, it's, I think there are couples that look to fight.

Speaker 1 And I think there are people who look to instigate drama only to like have the resolution because the resolution makes you feel like you're coming together.

Speaker 10 And it really kind of felt like that's the type of relationship that madison was used to is that is that some of the stuff that you were picking up on i mean yeah i couldn't have said it better myself that was very well uh explained there um i i think that is true from what i saw it seemed like she was very used to conflict um and so was i in my earlier life and i just i'm at a point now where i can't handle that and i don't want to fight i don't want to have these big massive blowouts and then uh make up up and everything is fine for a week.

Speaker 10 And then it's another huge thing. And I just, I can't do that anymore.

Speaker 10 And so, yeah, I think maybe

Speaker 10 I don't know what else I can say about it because you said it so beautifully.

Speaker 4 Do you think watching it back, you kind of like felt really good about your decision? Or was there any part of you that was like, maybe I.

Speaker 4 like saw that wrong and like seeing it from her perspective or seeing a conversation she had with Mason like changed your mind about anything?

Speaker 10 I'd say overall, I'm really proud of how I handled everything.

Speaker 10 I wouldn't change my actions or decisions at all.

Speaker 10 I think the way that they maybe edited the last date was maybe not as accurate as it was. So I kind of cringed a little bit at that.
But no, I don't really regret anything.

Speaker 10 Again, we were just very different people. We're on different communication styles.
And so. It just was not the right relationship.

Speaker 10 And I was not about to force it or, you know, continue it longer than it needed to. I feel like the mature mature thing to do was to recognize that it wasn't going to work and then end it right away.

Speaker 1 Totally. And we totally get that.
Like, you know, I've familiar with how reality TV is made and how you never really get to see a lot of things. But I am curious, you mentioned the last day.

Speaker 1 What specifically do you remember versus what was aired that made you kind of cringe a little bit?

Speaker 10 It felt like I was really, really pressing the fact that I understood Mason's perspective. And which definitely, I mean, I I did keep saying that thing or that line over and over.

Speaker 10 But again, it was in response to negativity that I feel like was not aired. You know, there was a lot more negativity being said about Mason.

Speaker 10 And so I was saying, well, I understand his perspective in response to that negativity.

Speaker 10 And so, and again, I totally understand, you know, her perspective and why she would be negative towards Mason. He did screw up, right? You know, there's no question about it.
He screwed up.

Speaker 10 He said the wrong thing. He didn't handle himself in, you know, the way that I know he wanted to.

Speaker 10 But also you have to understand that I actually knew Mason better than I knew Madison because I spend more time with the guys in the lounge than I do with the women in the pods, right?

Speaker 10 So Mason and I at that point were fairly close. And I knew he was such a genuine good guy.
And I just didn't want to see someone talking so negatively about him when I feel like he didn't deserve it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was tough after her and Mason broke up hearing her kind of talk shit. I think she like

Speaker 1 called him a clown or something like that or he said, you know, it just, it felt a little icky given that she was the one who ultimately decided she didn't want to be in that relationship and given that she kind of came into that breakup with all the power.

Speaker 1 And I think she left with all the power and for her to talk shit about Mason just felt so unnecessary.

Speaker 4 She also talked shit to his

Speaker 1 other girl. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. How was watching that to see her kind of trying to like ruin ruin that relationship as well between Megan Mason?

Speaker 10 I just thought it was maybe a little manipulative. I didn't see that.
You know, all I see is this limited perspective of in the pods with one person at a time. So

Speaker 10 it was definitely interesting to watch after the fact, after a year, you know, since being there.

Speaker 10 But it, yeah, it just didn't feel great. And I think it maybe confirmed that I did make the right decision.

Speaker 4 Have you and Madison talked since the pods?

Speaker 10 Yes, we

Speaker 10 have talked.

Speaker 10 I mean, when we got out of the pods, we got back to Minneapolis and we did talk for a brief time, I would say.

Speaker 10 And then the same issues kind of just kept coming up and we realized again that we just were communicating differently. And then we decided to go our separate ways.

Speaker 1 When was the first time you saw what she looked like? When you got out of the pods, did you like look her up online or did you wait to meet her in person?

Speaker 10 Basically, the shuttle that took us to the airport, I was sitting in there alone and we got our phone back. And so I turned it on and there's like hundreds of notifications.

Speaker 10 And I immediately went and looked her up on Instagram because obviously, right?

Speaker 10 And so, yeah, I saw her for the first time on Instagram. And then we met at the airport afterwards.
And it was such a crazy experience just to put a face to the voice.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 Have you ever thought about growing a beard? You know, I know how to do that.

Speaker 1 You're a very handsome guy, but you kind of remember that. You crush a beard.
And I say this

Speaker 4 knowing my husband crushes a beard.

Speaker 1 My wife hates my face, and I always thought I was a good-looking guy before I met my wife. But

Speaker 1 a beard really, you have a sweet face, Alex. You know, it'll

Speaker 1 roughen you up.

Speaker 10 You know, I'll consider it just because of this.

Speaker 1 You know, I'll try it out.

Speaker 4 And the and the mock neck turtlenecks, do you feel like those are going to make another round in the mix?

Speaker 1 This was filmed last year. And, like, honestly, like, I don't know if I was was fully out of my skinny gene phase last year.
So,

Speaker 1 where are you in that

Speaker 1 skinny gene journey?

Speaker 10 You know, I think I'm on the other end of it now.

Speaker 1 Oh, congratulations. Especially after

Speaker 1 the show.

Speaker 10 Definitely, you know, I didn't make the best fashion choices. I'll totally agree.

Speaker 10 But, you know, I did want to stand out a little bit. You know, I wanted to wear something that wasn't just like the gray blazer or whatever that I feel like most of the guys were going to wear.

Speaker 10 So I did make a choice to

Speaker 1 wear the blue turtleneck.

Speaker 1 And it was definitely

Speaker 4 listen, blue is definitely your color.

Speaker 1 You look great in blue.

Speaker 4 I think it was more so just like the commit to the turtleneck that there was lack thereof.

Speaker 1 Do we know if there's going to be a reunion? I don't know. You're probably not even allowed to say, or even if you'll be there.

Speaker 1 But if you do go to, if you, if there is one and you do get invited, loose-fitted suit,

Speaker 1 beard, maybe a neck tattoo. I'm kidding.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 No, that's. What do you do for work, Alex?

Speaker 10 I do commercial real estate. Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 4 Were you a fan of the show before you went on?

Speaker 10 I really was, actually. So I'm a big fan of psychology.

Speaker 10 I went to my local like community college and I took every single psychology class that they had to offer just because I'm super interested in how people work and think.

Speaker 10 And this show, I think, is like one of the most genuine psychological experiments. And it's super fascinating to me.
And I've always been interested since season one.

Speaker 10 And so I think I was one of the only people that just applied on my own without a producer like reaching out to me just because I was so interested in just the application process alone.

Speaker 10 I saw they were casting in Minneapolis and I was like, you know, let me see. I just wanted to see what it was like.

Speaker 10 And I filled out the questions thinking there's, there's no chance I'm going to get chosen out of tens of thousands of people, you know, and two years later, here we are.

Speaker 4 That is crazy. Two years later.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Are you still friends with anyone from the cast?

Speaker 10 Yes. Mason and I are really close still.
So we've traveled quite a bit together.

Speaker 10 Meg and I are also very close. All the guys, I mean, I consider them all brothers to me at this point.

Speaker 10 So I just, I love them so much. They're such great, genuine, unique people.

Speaker 1 How is Mason feeling after watching him and Madison's breakup?

Speaker 10 You know, I can't really speak for him, but I think it was a tough watch for all of us in different points. You know, it's really cringe watching yourself on Netflix.

Speaker 10 My heart was racing the whole time the first time I watched it. Every time I'd come on screen, it was like the most painful experience.

Speaker 10 And I can only imagine for Mason, you know, with some of the scenes and like, especially some of the sexual scenes, I just, I can't imagine. I feel for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it all be fine. Yeah.
It's

Speaker 1 people will forget quickly. I thought you carried yourself very well.
So nothing to be nervous about. You should be proud of your performance on Netflix, I feel like.

Speaker 10 Thank you so much. You know, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 And I'm pissed you broke up with her too soon, but that selfishly as a fan of the show, I am, that was triggering. But other than that, but, you know, friend of Fred, you did a great job.

Speaker 10 Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 All right, Alex. Well, thank you for your time.
Best of luck, whatever it is you do. And maybe we'll see you on a future Netflix show some other time.
There's the beach. We'll see.
Yeah, there is.

Speaker 9 You You never know.

Speaker 10 Well, thanks so much. I appreciate this.
And this was awesome. All right.

Speaker 1 Take care, buddy. All right.
Bye-bye. Well, he seems sweet.
So sweet. Perfect.
Do you think he could do like a too hot to handle? He's very handsome. Very sweet.

Speaker 1 You definitely see like this kind of like that nerdy kid inside him when he was younger that he described, you know. But he's, how old is he?

Speaker 6 I think he's like 28.

Speaker 1 Let me see. Okay.
So he's like an adult. This was a year ago.
No, he's really cute. Any other?

Speaker 1 I thought the, what was it, Devin and Virginia? Virginia. He ends up with Virginia.

Speaker 1 No, I know, but I thought that I appreciated Devin's willingness to like open up about his ignorance when him and Brittany were having that conversation about her being bisexual.

Speaker 1 I appreciate his vulnerability just because I think, you know, he has a viewpoint that I think a lot of people have where they have this idea that if someone's bisexual, that somehow like means that they can like switch hit, so to speak.

Speaker 1 Because he kept asking Brittany, it's just like, well, I just want someone to be with me. And I'm like, well, if she picks you, she will be.

Speaker 1 It's like, what's the

Speaker 4 I'm glad that finally she was like, I am monogamous.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 whoever I am.

Speaker 5 Bisexuality and polyamory are not the same thing.

Speaker 1 But I think there's a lot of,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of confusion. And I, you know, like, especially in today's climate, I don't think it's very easy for someone like Devin to like acknowledge ignorance.
I mean, that's, that's what it was.

Speaker 1 It wasn't coming from a place of

Speaker 1 malice or anything like that.

Speaker 5 But, you know, I'm sure his point of view was probably triggering for some people, you know, who maybe feel judged or, you know, for opening up about their sexuality, only have to have someone like change their you know because it did feel like Devin his his energy his energy changed a little bit it did if I were Brittany in that situation I would have been it would have made me feel like a very specific type of way having been in that situation before but also at the same time it's not like Devin did anything wrong he just didn't know he didn't know but also like if I was Brittany I would have probably done the exact same thing she did, which was like, you know what, maybe this isn't the right relationship relationship for me.

Speaker 3 If, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Sure, it kind of, it showed that they were just kind of on two different

Speaker 1 pages, no, two different pages, two different kind of stories.

Speaker 5 You can't handle a bisexual baddie.

Speaker 4 I will say, I am kind of like bored with a lot of these couples, you know, like I can't, like, Monica and Joey.

Speaker 1 I've, it's hard to watch. That's the problem, though.
It's just like the, the most compelling storylines.

Speaker 4 I, I've been into these first six episodes, but then all of a sudden we got done and I realized all the couples we have left are, but I'm also like for now, because I'm like, remember, like, a lot of shit blows up during this, like, honeymoon stage, finally living with each other, like, not being able to separate and seeing their tics and seeing like their antics and how they go about things.

Speaker 4 Let's see.

Speaker 8 Also, the cliffhanger of Taylor and Daniel, like, that I'm interested in.

Speaker 4 Yeah, when he, like, especially because he, like, allegedly followed her on Instagram or whatever, and they have that entire conversation where he's like, I remember Instagram handles.

Speaker 4 Like, do you think we've met before? She's like, do you, like, would you follow me? He's like, no, no, like, I remember Instagram handles very well. And I can see a profile picture.

Speaker 8 So either he's lying or she's confusing him with someone else, right?

Speaker 4 Well, no, there was that weird moment, though, during that conversation where he was like, I shouldn't have said that. Or like, like, why did I say that?

Speaker 4 And then she's like, no, that's not, that's not a weird thing to say. Like, where I'm like, was it a weird thing to say?

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it could go both ways. I will say his story isn't unbelievable.
No. You know, we're talking about Minneapolis, St.
Paul. Like, when I was in my 20s, I lived in Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 Milwaukee is smaller than Minneapolis-St. Paul.
Don't get me wrong, but they're still relatively smaller cities, right?

Speaker 1 And when you are in your 20s, early 30s, single, you're a working professional, you got a little money,

Speaker 1 there's like a socialite scene, you know? Like when I was in my 20s going out, you're going out most Fridays and Saturday nights to the bars. It's not, there's not that many bars.

Speaker 1 in these cities to go out to. And if you're frequently going out, there's like a group of like young professionals and you all kind of know each other.

Speaker 1 and if you don't know every you know you don't know everyone but it's not uncommon for guys and girls in a respective city to like follow people they find attractive you know just to like oh someone shows up on your explorer page algorithms feeding you people you you know that's definitely believable i think what's less believable is the fact that he specifically says he has a great memory with instagram handles and profile pictures a lot of people say they are cochelle thought she had great vibes and and was wrong about that like sometimes we're wrong wrong about how confident we are about things.

Speaker 4 I guess it's just it's uber specific to say something that you're like very good at memoring.

Speaker 1 Remembering

Speaker 4 it, actually.

Speaker 1 What? She said she liked the way she said. I liked that.
Memoring. You should make that a thing.
I kind of like that too. Membering.

Speaker 4 I also say

Speaker 4 heat seater. So

Speaker 1 heat seater.

Speaker 4 You help me turn your heat seater on.

Speaker 5 I think that's a better, that's, that's a way cooler thing.

Speaker 4 It rolls off the tongue. Way cooler thing to say.

Speaker 6 Membering should be a new word.

Speaker 1 yeah i mean like it go both ways i'm just saying i think some people are like watch that scene and be like oh guilty you know it's like he's he's projecting or kind of telling on himself and maybe it's a wild accusation that's for sure to be like i remembered you we have mutuals and like you followed me and unfollowed me which we don't know exactly what they find out because we haven't seen that yet but but i agree with you i'm like how much time are you spending on this profile to realize that they followed you and unfollowed you even if i get like a follow and i'm like oh interesting let me look at this profile like gone from my memory she could be a numbers psycho online.

Speaker 5 You know, she could really care about who's following and unfollowing her.

Speaker 4 I'll say right now, I have 277,000 Instagram followers and I'm following 772 people. Couldn't tell you.
And I don't want that to change. So,

Speaker 4 unless I'm catapulted.

Speaker 8 To Nick's point, too, you could meet people, but what are the odds you're following someone and then unfollowing them?

Speaker 4 But I do think people really do, like.

Speaker 4 To my point of saying the numbers thing, I do think people do like look at, you know, if they're like, oh, I hit 400 and then it's down to 399, like they're going to recognize that.

Speaker 4 They're going to see that. Like, I do think it's like for people who don't have,

Speaker 4 when it's easy to see the number change, I do think people notice that.

Speaker 1 I think it's her get out of jail free card. I think if she decides she doesn't like him or he's too short.

Speaker 8 Or she finds out he actually did it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Wouldn't be creepy.

Speaker 5 But his, but his whole line, could that not have been, because as Alex was saying, they have so many conversations they don't include. The editors put that in specifically.
Correct.

Speaker 5 so it could just be they're trying to create drama

Speaker 4 sure for a season that is lacking yeah a lot of drama a smoking gun can't be a photo in front of a christmas tree holding a drink i feel like that is it was checkoffs and 75 of people on instagram have a photo from a christmas in front of a christmas tree with holding a drink yeah but what but the thing is if he did follow her it invalidates the whole process of you don't know what i look like because you clearly knew what i looked like and knew everything about me maybe based off of my social media sure but he, again, it's minute, it's Minneapolis.

Speaker 1 So like the show deciding to like do Love is Blind Minneapolis is risking like people being familiar with each other. Again, it's a relatively small city.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there might be a couple million people there.

Speaker 1 But again, when they're casting, you know, people in their late 20s, early 30s, you know, they're, you're immediately, you know, you're immediately narrowing it down.

Speaker 1 They're not going to know everyone, but they are, they're definitely running the risk.

Speaker 1 Like it's a smaller community, you know, and while they might, they're not going to know people, but like I would not be shocked to find that a lot of people got casted, they all have a lot of mutuals, you know, like the degrees of separation.

Speaker 1 There's probably not seven, you know, there's probably like one or two, you know, and there was a lot of after they got out of the pods. I, I, it wouldn't be shocking to me.

Speaker 8 So yeah, I do want to see what happens with that storyline come next episode.

Speaker 5 I also think Sarah and Ben could have an interesting, I don't know, I'm not completely sold on that.

Speaker 8 Right, because she has religious parents that aren't accepting of like what Sarah's sister, like her sexuality. So that's where I'm kind of like, like, hmm.

Speaker 1 I really like this storyline. I'll see where it goes.
To me, like, I get it. We live in polarizing times.

Speaker 1 I think Sarah needs to be reminded, you know, that like, you know, she talks a lot about like, I just hope he's willing to learn. I just hope he's willing to learn.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just like, I hope she's also willing to learn. She's talking about like, oh, I'll get together with him as long as he's willing to learn what I believe in.

Speaker 5 I think it's also can be important in a relationship to share similar core values with someone else.

Speaker 1 For sure. For sure.
sure.

Speaker 1 And listen, I'm just saying, but if you go in just deciding, like, I need this person to be completely aligned with me or else, and if they're willing to learn and like subscribe to everything I believe, then we can work out.

Speaker 1 And if not, we won't. That's pretty extreme.
You know, like nine and I, we don't agree with everything. We're not checking boxes and making sure that like, you believe this and you believe that.

Speaker 1 And if we don't believe, then we need to make sure we get on the same page. We just like, sometimes we have differences and we just choose to like not get into it.

Speaker 4 I do also think she was not going to give him a a second chance after he was like, listen, I'm not really like as educated in this whole stuff as you are.

Speaker 4 Until I think maybe it was Brittany or one of the other women was like, well, if he says he's willing to learn, then that's like, you know, he's willing to learn.

Speaker 4 Maybe you should give him another shot. So it's like she was ready to like pull the plug just because he wasn't immediately like, hell yeah, we're on the same wavelength.

Speaker 4 He was just like, oh, I don't really, I'm not there quite yet.

Speaker 1 I haven't.

Speaker 1 Pretty extreme point of view. Like, and then my question to her is just like, well, what if he is willing to learn, but you get to a point where he's just like not where you're at?

Speaker 4 I think that like non-negotiables, no matter what they sound like to anybody else, if that's something that you stick to or that's something that's important to you, you shouldn't have to sacrifice that either just because of an opportunity.

Speaker 1 Listen, we now live in a time where more and more people are having a harder time connecting and getting together. Like we as human beings desire connection.

Speaker 1 We desire companionship, whether it's your family, a group of friends, whatever, we need connection. We desire romance.

Speaker 1 And I think we should embrace people like prioritizing family and like prioritizing connections in front of you.

Speaker 1 If her and Ben were compatible on a lot of things, that when it comes down to two people spending a lot of quality time together and getting along and communicating effectively about like day-to-day decisions and what they want for themselves, that's a shame that like some people would say no to an otherwise great potential relationship with a lot of points of compatibility.

Speaker 1 Like there are people who otherwise would leave a relationship that would really work out, and there's a lot of love and connection there, but like convince themselves that this is a non-negotiable and they leave something that could otherwise be have a lot of potential.

Speaker 5 Well, we shall see.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yes, we'll watch it on show.

Speaker 5 That's why I'm interested to see what happens with them.

Speaker 4 Where's the vacation at? Do we know?

Speaker 1 Somewhere in Cancun, or did I make that up? Usually, Mexico. Should we talk a little bit about Everly Hills Housewives before we get to Crochet? I don't know why we opened up in

Speaker 1 Georgia again.

Speaker 4 I mean, 10 episodes in Georgia.

Speaker 8 Did you catch the b-roll? We didn't talk about it last week where it's Garcelle and Kyle listening in on Sutton.

Speaker 5 That was so cool. This is really sad.

Speaker 8 This is how we know Kyle's a good actress because they're like listening behind the door.

Speaker 8 She runs up the stairs and then she quickly walks out as if she's like, she was just walking down the stores naturally. And she's like, oh my God, hey.

Speaker 4 Yeah. That's that Halloween.

Speaker 5 That's that Halloween training. Yeah.
She knows how to hide from Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I get that, like, maybe technically it's Sutton's house, but it sure seemed like an invasion of Beverly Hills housewives into Reba's house.

Speaker 1 Like kind of like gossiping and like talking about Reba while Reba was there. Felt a little.

Speaker 8 I said it from the start. Like I love Sutton's family, but every time they bring in the mothers, I'm like, do we need to? Yeah.
I'm like, let them rest, please.

Speaker 1 I know we were talking last week about, you know, when Bose confronted Dareed or whatever and was talking about all the, like, that PK was allegedly scooping up lawyers.

Speaker 1 Well, I received a DM from a listener. Meredith Marks.
I received a DM. Just a listener.

Speaker 1 And this listener informed me. I don't know if they they have a legal background, but it made sense.

Speaker 1 That apparently, and I don't know if this is like a nationwide thing or an LA thing or a state-to-state thing, but a common like move divorcees will make is that apparently that if you, like when you are needing a lawyer, right, you, you might shop around for lawyers.

Speaker 1 So you would do like a little meeting, like five-minute meeting, 30-minute meeting, and kind of like talk about your case, you know. And if you do that, like you've got dibs, so to speak.

Speaker 1 So if you go around town and book a bunch of like meetings with all the top lawyers and you get there quickly that means they can't represent your your spouse because they've had a meeting even if you don't hire them wow

Speaker 1 so you basically like you know like hey i'm getting divorced my wife and i are separated i'm not sure like i might need a lawyer so you book a bunch of meetings with all like the the top 10 law firms in beverly hills and then derek comes in and they're like sorry sorry we already met with your husband spoken to pk and even if pk hires none of them or one of them then like you know that's man apparently apparently this is what this is what the i don't know

Speaker 8 that's accurate But it makes sense based on what Bose was saying I've heard the opposite but that doesn't make sense that like these meetings and just from experience with my parents and people that have parents that are divorced like these meetings like you pay for these meetings like it could be short or whatever but it costs to do that and then it's whoever's gonna be paying the most to have you on retainer for the divorce

Speaker 8 interesting because a lot of these lawyers also can mediate I believe but

Speaker 1 Well, I once again, like, I'm waiting for the time I disagree with Bose. Yeah.
I want to be her friend.

Speaker 4 She's on the money. I wish Sutton would have said, I have been sitting in your living room for 45 minutes.
And like, then you're going to say something about my drinking. Like, yeah, I'm out of here.

Speaker 4 Like, I wish she would have called out how long she'd been sitting there. Maybe she wasn't aware.
Maybe that was like just editing doing a great job.

Speaker 4 But waiting alone for 45 minutes in someone's house.

Speaker 1 like at a party at an event is crazy yeah well but would you just sit there and wait would you reach out to your friend hey I'm down here or you want me to come up?

Speaker 1 Like, clearly, they're not the best of friends or even that close, but like their cameras there. There's people in the house.
It wasn't. You could go upstairs and knock on that door.

Speaker 1 You know, I just, it felt a little performative of Sutton to do what she did. But maybe.

Speaker 8 If I walked into a house and it was a jump house with little kids I didn't know and I was like, who were you?

Speaker 1 And there's no one in the house.

Speaker 4 You do not see Darius. You're like, hello, hello.
And no one's saying anything. And so you just sit there on your phone like, and then 45 minutes pass.
Like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 If she comes down and ignores you, I'd be like, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I thought everyone was off their rocker this episode, except for Bose.
Like, I mean, Doreet, I don't know. What was that whole moment where she's like, I'm going to keep this bag?

Speaker 4 Like, what? That was the craziest moment ever. The montage of photos on the on the center table when you first entered during a party when you're actively in the middle of a divorce.

Speaker 4 And then the bag thing. I was like, what is, what is happening?

Speaker 1 And I didn't even really agree with Darit about the whole like bitch comment and like it really felt like doreet was instigating the whole thing the whole bag thing was her instigating sutton i did think something was a bit performative with like sitting there alone but like clearly that is rude for dore to do what else was she gonna do go and chat with like the kids going down the the inflatable slide like no she she did what anyone would do when you walk somewhere and you're uncomfortable you sit on your phone that's exactly what she did well then fine doreet was off her rocker there i still don't think anything warrants calling somebody a bitch in their house in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 You're right. But I think Sutton was wrong for that.
And then it's just like, Sutton's like, I'm going to leave. It's like, okay, leave.

Speaker 1 Don't sit at her front door and have your posse come to console you

Speaker 1 and take up half the party so that when Bose comes and be like, y'all being rude. And they were being rude.

Speaker 1 Sutton, if you want to go, go. But like, you don't need to have Garcel.

Speaker 1 and Kyle and this whole little posse talk, you know, talking about whether you should stay or should should go, then it becomes rude.

Speaker 4 If that's the case, like if this were me and you were insulting my drinking or like, I'm already ready to go, the Uber is getting called before I even like retort back to you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's like the idea that you're like walking in. You just got mad at Kyle a couple episodes ago from storming out and walking out of arguments.

Speaker 4 You're doing the exact same thing, but you didn't even go out the front door. You sat in their foyer and was like, everybody, like, this is just really hard on me.
Like, this is not your party.

Speaker 4 Grab your posse, go to the, go grab a drink down the street.

Speaker 1 I think Arcel hates Bose. I think Arcelle was used to kind of getting away with what she wanted to say and calling out Dorit for some of the stupid things she said.

Speaker 1 And like Dorit was always on an island. And even if some of the things Dorit said were a little ignorant, I don't think it ever came from a place of malice.

Speaker 1 But I think Garcelle was in a position to really like give her the business anytime like Dorit stepped in it. And now she has Bose to defend Dorit and have her back.
And

Speaker 1 Bose is more than capable of like, doesn't matter that she's new. Doesn't matter that she, she, she can stand, Bose can have everyone disagree with her, and she'll be calm, cool, and collected.

Speaker 1 And it's driving Garcelle fucking insane.

Speaker 4 100%. And Erica called it out perfectly, too.
She was like, okay, so wait, we have a problem when Bose does this for Dariet, but you are always speaking for Sutton.

Speaker 4 It does make me so mad, though, that they don't say that stuff in person, like in the moment. I'm like, I get that you film this a couple months later.

Speaker 4 You're supposed to like put yourself back in that scenario, but it's like you couldn't have been sitting there and be like, Garcel, you speak for Sutton constantly.

Speaker 1 And like like now you have a problem you know like I just wish sometimes they would say these things I imagine they're being reminded by producers totally of some of the hypocrisy their castmates have said yeah oh yeah you're right she does do that shit and then Kyle Like when she was going at it with Bose and like painting herself as some victim of a like is Bose.

Speaker 1 First of all, Kyle, it's your show, basically, right? You are the you're the queen bee. You're the OG.
Like you are the sprite light of this ensemble cast. Bose is new.

Speaker 1 Doesn't really, you know, doesn't not friends with anyone. And you're accusing her of not welcoming you, Kyle.
That seems a bit out of touch.

Speaker 1 And then to bring up PK while sitting next to Darret as evidence is to like... Bose's mistake.
Well, like, so you should have blocked him. Like, that was, she was on Mars.

Speaker 4 And then to look at Darit and be like, oh, I'm talking to Bose. And she's like, you said my husband's name.
Like, what?

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 1 Like, that was so, that was, that was wild behavior that was she called bose judge judy that was crazy for calling you out 20 years no bose just calls it like she sees it i love and i love it when but what did bose say she doesn't need to be led basically she's not a follower yeah right like and that's so true she's not like and it it draw it's drives Kyle and Garcel and Sutton crazy because like, you know, they don't want to think, they want to accuse Bose of like, you know, riding, you know, Darit, you know, because like, you know, picking a different side when the truth is, and we all see it, is like, Bose truly just calls it like she sees it.

Speaker 1 She's no bullshit. She's got a great sense of like character.
She's, I mean, it's.

Speaker 4 And she's given all of the women a fair shot. Fair enough.
Like, and spent time with them individually. She just, I think Dorit was the most forth.

Speaker 4 Coming with like what's going on in her life and opening up and made it very easy for Bose to open up. But outside of that, she's given all of the other women a chance.
And yet.

Speaker 1 And she doesn't hold grudges.

Speaker 4 No, not at all. That's what she said.
She's like, I'm calling out what I see right in front of me because she doesn't have preconceived notions.

Speaker 4 She knows nothing about you women outside of what you're showing her.

Speaker 1 I just like to see Garcell, Kyle, and Sutton just kind of like glitch because like they just don't know what to do with someone who's so calm and capable of standing up to them and their kind of their bullshit and their kind of manipulation of the shit they do and things don't go their way is some of the best television on Beverly's Housewives I've I've watched.

Speaker 8 I just loved Garcelle being like, she's a little sensitive right now after the coffee and vodka.

Speaker 1 And I was like, Garcel.

Speaker 4 Also like, I both of y'all, but also, like, wasn't Kyle the one who led that charge? Like, why aren't you mad at Kyle about that? 100%.

Speaker 4 Also, I haven't heard the word douche in I don't know how long.

Speaker 1 And Dorit said.

Speaker 8 She took a second to say it too.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's the word we chose. And then little.

Speaker 4 It was like, her brain froze and she was like, you've been scared.

Speaker 1 Douche.

Speaker 1 Douche.

Speaker 1 It's awesome. Dorit was really on one, though.
Like, it was, I didn't really understand.

Speaker 4 She kind of did have like a crazy twitch in her eye this episode. I don't know.

Speaker 4 I just feel like this is why like Bose is like kind of protective of her is that it's just like we all do know that she's going through so much and she's just showing up every day and even seeing the state that her house was in and Kyle being like, oh, she's like OCD clean and the fact that.

Speaker 4 Things are in boxes and it's messy. That I'm like, she's got a lot going on on her plate, let alone raising her kids and trying to be okay.

Speaker 4 That it's like to have to come into this group with these women. It's nice to have somebody in the world.

Speaker 1 I just wish to read instead of, and maybe, you know, she's not thinking with a clear head, she's going through it. Then that all makes total sense.

Speaker 1 Like she definitely deserves grace, but I just wish she would have, instead of like trying to steal Sutton's handbag and acting like she had like rights to it,

Speaker 1 just be like, hey, listen, last time I saw you, you really hurt my feelings because you really dismissed me like when I was just being vulnerable talking about like my terrible divorce and how it's affecting my fucking kids.

Speaker 1 And you and you just like, you didn't give a fuck to say that. She just talked to her.

Speaker 8 She did say sorry in the moment. No, she didn't.
Sun said, we have to go sorry.

Speaker 1 We have to go.

Speaker 5 Great callback, Justin.

Speaker 1 That is true.

Speaker 4 I listen, I also will say I have pulled that joke before of being like, oh my God, that's a huge Chanel. Like, do you want me to take it off your hands and I can take it home?

Speaker 4 But the way that Doreet was like straight stone cold, would not release her grip on that bag, was like, almost left her house with it, was crazy. And the awkwardness, everyone was just like, um,

Speaker 4 it's also a $29,500 bag.

Speaker 1 So it's like

Speaker 4 it's a $30,000 bag. The rainbow bag.
Minnie Kelly is $30,000. Minnie Kelly that I'm looking at is $29,000, the same one, $29,500, or else the pink one's $32,000.

Speaker 4 But even then, I love that she's like, your insults and everything equate to

Speaker 1 the preview for next week with Sutton basically being like, I have more money than you. Oh, that's not going to go well.

Speaker 5 I just have an issue when people spend $30,000 on something that's kind of ugly.

Speaker 1 It's an investment. It's an investment.
Art is subjective, Mary. I have guessed.

Speaker 4 Are you mad at the people that bought the banana duct taped? No. At the Sotheby's, or do you understand that as art? Fashion is art to some people.

Speaker 5 I understand.

Speaker 5 I would not spend $30,000 on the banana.

Speaker 4 However, I do think it's funny.

Speaker 5 And so I'd love a good bit.

Speaker 4 I was going to say the banana, I think, is in the millions.

Speaker 1 The bit. Oh.

Speaker 5 Yeah. See, a bit not worth the millions.
I like, I support spending money on a bit. But as far as, and let's say, if I had $30,000 to spend on a bag, I'll spend it on a bag.

Speaker 7 That's the point.

Speaker 1 I know. Yeah.
I was getting $300,000 a month. I know.

Speaker 5 I just saw that bag and I was like, it's kind of boring.

Speaker 1 We'll see what happens and what context it's aired in. But when you start like flexing your cash, I'd go Jennifer Tilly with it.

Speaker 1 Either way, but like same thing. It's just like, you're just being like, it's just a competition of who married smarter.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Married smarter, not harder.

Speaker 1 And I guess. But like, you know, Sutton's wealth does come from her husband.

Speaker 8 Well, what do you mean, wealth? She helped make that money.

Speaker 5 She built his umpire.

Speaker 1 And it's worth the half a million dollars a month.

Speaker 8 Look, I'm not the forensic.

Speaker 4 Probably worth more. She got the shortened stick with 300 grand a month.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, listen, she has a right to say it's her money. She obviously has more money than all of us.

Speaker 4 He's probably like three. He's like farting out 300 grand a month.

Speaker 1 Like I'm fucking.

Speaker 4 If you could just give that away a month, how much are you making a month?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's fine. I mean, like, I'm just saying, but it's not the flex.
You know,

Speaker 1 you're trying to hurt someone's feelings. Let's be clear.
She was trying to hurt Dariet when saying this, you know.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, again, while someone's going through divorce, which must be a very scary time, especially if you are someone in Darit's position, because it's like, Sutton doesn't have a carrying world.

Speaker 1 She's just $30,000 bag. Like, I don't know.
Erica Jane doesn't live in the same house she used to. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 That's a shift.

Speaker 1 We've been critical of Erica, but like what she has reinvented herself and to adjust and to go from a mansion of opulence and wealth to like, it's, you know, say what you want and fine.

Speaker 1 Maybe we don't have sympathy for people with money or whatever. And she, you know, obviously Erica still has a very charmed life, but like that is an emotional shift and that is hard to do.

Speaker 1 And some people make some very terrible and drastic decisions when they lose all their money or when their life drastically changed.

Speaker 1 God forbid, like people like take their own life crazy shit like that when tragedy like that happens.

Speaker 1 And so for Doreet to be going through something like this and not really knowing what her future looks like and Sutton to be flexing her husband's cash in her face is a choice.

Speaker 8 We'll see how the scene airs. But I do wish Sutton and Darrette were like united on this front.
I've like Sutton's experienced it before.

Speaker 4 It was nice to see Carl and Dorit have a moment at the end.

Speaker 1 That did feel weird, though, didn't it?

Speaker 8 The way Dorit was answering. What did she say? She was like, what do you mean? We have to live.
Yeah. She just kept repeating it in like a weird like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was weird. I just wish, I mean, Sutton's kind of, I know you love her, but she has a lot of great qualities, but she can be a real big hypocrite.

Speaker 8 Aren't we all?

Speaker 1 Aren't we all? Some more than others.

Speaker 1 Some more than others. All right.
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Speaker 7 But can we try not to get in trouble today, please?

Speaker 1 What's to get in trouble? Every time I leave here,

Speaker 1 some headlines. You've been avoiding the show for a while.

Speaker 7 I know because last time there were all these headlines and I was like, oh my god, what did I say?

Speaker 1 What did you say?

Speaker 7 I don't remember.

Speaker 1 To be fair, they picked up like next week. Was this your first time in the studio?

Speaker 7 in this one yes and then you were in the one i'm gonna be on my best behavior

Speaker 1 what did you say that got i couldn't i don't remember i don't know to be honest with you i just remember being scared of doing your podcast for a while you definitely were i was like you got to come on you're like for sure

Speaker 1 but i love when i run into you it's not that it was just you know no i know i know anyways doesn't matter it's good to have you back rose hello it's weird not having headphones on

Speaker 1 I'm like, are we even rolling? Are we even here? Yeah, obviously. It's like it's been a four's fault.
We are rolling. Okay.
How have you been? So good to have you back.

Speaker 1 I'm glad that you're no longer afraid to come on.

Speaker 7 I'm sorry. No, it's good to be back.
I love seeing you. It's just, you know, podcasts can be scary.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, but I mean, not really. I don't know.
They can be. But, like, you know, you're a reality TV star.
Which, what was that? I read something. You posted it.
Like, basically,

Speaker 1 who did that article? Was it four? It was a really nice piece.

Speaker 7 You posted it. Oh, oh, Vanity Fair.
Vanity Fair. This is the one I just did.

Speaker 1 Amazing. I think they credited you for basically all of Netflix's reality TV success.

Speaker 7 I didn't pay them to say that, but it was very nice.

Speaker 1 I was like, Conroe.

Speaker 1 You were the first. It was very sweet.

Speaker 1 What do you think is the recipe to your success?

Speaker 7 I don't think it, to be honest with you, it's by accident that it's all kind of worked out because I didn't pursue reality TV. So I've had people come up to me and be like, what should I do?

Speaker 7 But I don't think the same thing would work because I was always kind of fighting against it until i finally accepted it and then like kind of dived in so because i thought selling sunset was going to be like a reality show about real estate and me like pursuing a new career i fully thought it was a different show so i think it worked because no one really knew what it was and it was completely something different and so then we you know now of course i know what it is but um yeah

Speaker 7 like i don't know what the formula is get a bunch of unsuspecting naive people together.

Speaker 1 Think they're talking about real estate, but then share pieces of your life.

Speaker 1 We talked about this the first time you came on the show when you were on Dance with the Stars, but like, and you probably know, Chris and I were supposed to do a movie together.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I did not know that. No, we were, I was supposed to play her crazy boyfriend from the past or something.
It was like a lifetime. You did this movie.
Did you end up doing that movie?

Speaker 1 No, I didn't. You didn't? Like, it was supposed to film in Buffalo, New York, or something.
No, wait, I did do that one. Did you do that one?

Speaker 7 Oh, my gosh. Yes.
Sorry. Yes, you're right.

Speaker 7 Yes, I forget the actor's name.

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 7 it's called Staged Killer, and you can still watch it on Amazon.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 7 Yes, or Hulu or some one of those.

Speaker 4 I think it's Amazon.

Speaker 1 I was, I got off for the role, and I didn't know this is long before selling sunset.

Speaker 1 It was like, so-and-so's why, you know, like, you know. I was like, oh, cool.
She seems nice, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 And then I just.

Speaker 7 You would have been the crazy person. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I was going to be the bag.

Speaker 7 Are you fine doing that?

Speaker 1 It looked like a lot of fun. I just felt like maybe this wasn't like, it just didn't feel like it was for me.
Yeah. You know?

Speaker 7 You really missed out on the blockbuster, Nick.

Speaker 1 I should go back. What's it called? Stage Killer.

Speaker 7 Everyone's seen it. I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 What's the, can I see, there's like a movie poster? Are you in the movie poster?

Speaker 7 I think so. Oh, look at that.
Who's the guy? That would have been you right there.

Speaker 7 I can see a little resemblance.

Speaker 1 I'm sure, you know, I feel like this is one of those, you know how like sometimes it's, it's almost, it feels like it's rude in like the actor world to like talk about roles you turn down because it's somehow disrespectful to the person who ended up playing this role.

Speaker 1 So I don't want to disrespect.

Speaker 7 I don't think it was disrespectful. He was a lovely guy.

Speaker 1 Turns out we ended up being friends anyways. There you go.
I know.

Speaker 1 And now we're in the reality TV space. I know.
Do you think you'll ever act again?

Speaker 7 Yeah, actually.

Speaker 7 So I did a little cameo in a holiday movie this last holiday season for Netflix called Hot Frosty. It was very small.

Speaker 1 However. And as Chris Stauss?

Speaker 7 No, I was just playing like a mom with this cute little girl. We were walking into the diner.
It was very quick. You blink, you miss it.

Speaker 7 However, I've had some really great conversations since then, and we are working on doing something in a better, bigger capacity, which would be amazing. So we just have to get the schedule.

Speaker 1 Do you like the

Speaker 1 holiday Christmas genre?

Speaker 7 I do. I love holiday Christmas genre.

Speaker 7 I also love light horror.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 So those, oddly enough, are so opposites, but I love both and I'm pursuing both.

Speaker 1 Oh, fun.

Speaker 7 So yeah. Sometimes the stuff I have, like one that came across was right when we were in the thick of selling sunset.
So I couldn't do it, but it would have been so fun.

Speaker 7 So it's just kind of trying to find the things that work with schedules.

Speaker 1 Right. Speaking of selling sunset, where are we in the franchise? Are you guys filming or is there anything going? Are you allowed to say anything? Yeah.

Speaker 7 We're filming season nine currently. It'll be out later this year.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I know.
and i know this isn't fun

Speaker 7 man that's crazy i know i did does it come out more than once a year has it no i mean it has in the past it hasn't been i mean i haven't been doing this show for that long it has it has in the past come out more than once a year but i think um we're kind of like on a i don't it switches up i don't know you're on a yearly basis now yes so yes we're filming season nine currently it will be out later this year Last season, there was some toxicity going on in the group a little bit.

Speaker 1 Was that fair to say?

Speaker 7 That really set that one season apart from all the other.

Speaker 1 Are there any storylines that, again, I don't know what you can and cannot talk about, but is there reconciliation at all with any of the women?

Speaker 1 Or are there, like, are we still, are there more fights? Where, where, like, you've been, you've been, where do you stand with everyone right now?

Speaker 1 Because there was that whole, like, honestly, we're, remember, what was Chelsea? No, no, no.

Speaker 1 We have, actually, we have a mutual enemy. We do.
Oh, my God. gosh.
I mean, I'm joking when I say enemy.

Speaker 1 Enemy for wasting my goddamn motherfucking time. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Your arch nemesis. Nicole.
Yes. Thank you.
She was supposed to come on, and you, it was like her first season on. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And like, I don't know, she was caught up in whatever drama you were going on.

Speaker 7 Well, she started, but yes, go ahead.

Speaker 1 Either way, we were, you didn't want to come on. So we were going to like have like have Nicole, you know?

Speaker 1 And she like flaked twice, like last minute. And it was like, I don't.
don't know.

Speaker 7 It's not surprising even because.

Speaker 1 And it was like all this high maintenance, and she mentioned me back and forth. And it was all this.
And it was like, it was just, you know.

Speaker 7 It's because if you can't keep your story straight, imagine the worst place to go.

Speaker 7 Like the one thing I have to say, you're really good at. Like, if a story started to be convoluted, you wouldn't be casting.

Speaker 1 Exactly. So I actually.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't come on the show if you're lying. Exactly.

Speaker 7 And so I am sad she didn't come because it would have been very entertaining to watch you easily deconstruct the lies, but that's why she didn't show up.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Is she on this season?

Speaker 1 A little bit. Okay.

Speaker 4 Do we have any new cast members?

Speaker 7 You know, with the show, I think they're always like trying to see what works and what doesn't.

Speaker 7 So it is sad for some people because they're like, oh my gosh, a new cast member, but that doesn't mean that on our show. They just like let people come in.
They see how it works.

Speaker 7 So I never personally know, even though we filmed with some people, who's going to make the show, right?

Speaker 1 Do you think this will be the last season? I always think this is going to be the last season.

Speaker 1 When they call you up, but you're like, really?

Speaker 1 Again? I'm like, wow.

Speaker 7 I, I'm, I'm, it's a huge honor. It's like, you know, it's, it's flattering, but, but I, but yes, I, I, I'm not, I'm not going to lie.
Like, I'm nine seasons is a lot for a Netflix show.

Speaker 4 So for a reality show in general.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This, you know, I'm not expecting you to answer.

Speaker 1 It's even rude for asking. But like, I've, I don't, how, how much do y'all make on there? I mean, I'm curious.

Speaker 4 I mean, they're selling houses.

Speaker 1 I've never thought of that before.

Speaker 7 They don't get, I'll give you a little nugget of information. They don't get a cut of our commission when we sell houses.
So when people are always like, you don't really sell houses, right?

Speaker 7 I'm like, no, I'm not saying everyone does. They can choose to or not.

Speaker 7 But I'm just saying it is amazing to be on a show about doing something where they actual, they can't get a cut of our commissions of the.

Speaker 1 They're selling our houses. I mean, they're housing.

Speaker 7 I know. So I'm just saying, why wouldn't you want to really use it for that

Speaker 7 purpose? Like, why would you purposely not want to make the most money you could while you're doing it?

Speaker 1 The only reason that question came to mind because, well, one, most reality TV shows don't last nine seasons. And if they do, it's not with the same cast.

Speaker 1 You know, I think you've had, you guys have had some turnover, but a lot of a lot of you remain the same. And so like, that's just, you know, after you're around for nine seasons,

Speaker 1 you know, like, you want me back or not? You know, like.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 I did, yes.

Speaker 1 Hats off to you. Thank you.

Speaker 7 Thank you. Truly.
I'm wearing better shoes than I was in here the first time I did your podcast.

Speaker 1 Are the bottoms red?

Speaker 7 Not today, but only because my foot is not narrow enough to pull those off.

Speaker 1 And what are those called again? Louboutins. Not Lucian.
Christian Louis Vuittons, not Louis Vuitton. I learned this, I think, in the past 12 months that they're not Louis Vuitton.
In the past month.

Speaker 1 Past month. Oh.

Speaker 4 I think I'm going like, oh, the Louis Vuittons.

Speaker 7 I can understand that it is similar.

Speaker 1 And I remember. And what do they look like visually different? The spelling?

Speaker 5 L-O-U-B-I-T-A-N.

Speaker 1 l-o-u-b-i-t-a-n and then it's louis vuitton which is first and last name it on wife either and does louis vuitton sell pumps yes yes what are those and what are the louis vuitton's known for bags christian louis vuitton known for shoes okay but louis vuitton does also carry shoes and vice versa and and vice versa and in case you didn't hear me your wife will accept either

Speaker 3 Doing myself, that's great.

Speaker 1 She has work right there. Well done.
Thank you. Traders.

Speaker 7 So much fun. So much fun.

Speaker 1 Except for your vibes.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Let's just get out of the way. I know.
I agree. It's all fun and games.
Who cares? Although some people watch the show forget it's a game. Very, they take it very seriously.

Speaker 1 And are you referring to your castmates or the fans?

Speaker 7 Well, I just think, you know, I get it. The show is so fun to watch, but I just mean like there is a fandom out there that takes it very, very seriously.

Speaker 7 But I do think, you know, in the moment when we're filming it, everyone is the same. We're taking it very seriously.

Speaker 7 You're hoping once you you leave the castle, you can kind of have some fun with it because it is a game at the end of the day.

Speaker 7 But yes, I can look back at, you know, that was the worst moment of me on the Traders was, you know, picking up the wrong vibes from Nikki and I to this moment.

Speaker 1 That was hilarious. I know.

Speaker 7 She was homesick. So I picked up on that.

Speaker 7 But if I could change one thing, I do think that mortally hurt my confidence in the game going forward because then I was so afraid to be wrong because I did want to speak up.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. Yeah.

Speaker 7 At one point, and I decided not to because

Speaker 7 the last roundtable I was at, I had already talked to a couple people about Danielle.

Speaker 7 And of course, now watching the show, I'm like, I picked the worst people I could have tried talking to about that.

Speaker 7 But in the at the roundtable, I was, it was, I was like, literally like, should I say something? Should I say something? Because it was all about Rob and Brittany.

Speaker 7 And I really didn't feel comfortable voting for either. And I'm just kicking myself.
Of course, afterwards, coulda, would have, should have.

Speaker 1 Was Nikki like pissed?

Speaker 7 I don't think she was pissed. I think, you know, in the moment, she would obviously be hurt.
And I completely get that.

Speaker 7 But then she said, once she got out of the castle, she was so excited to see her son. And we're friends.
You know, it's.

Speaker 1 You know, it's, I can see how it's easy. I mean, shit, like, I'm a competitive person.
I don't know if you are either, but, like, I've gotten mad losing Monopoly. So, like, I can imagine.

Speaker 1 you know, a friend

Speaker 1 voting you off. Again, it's still a game.
Like, you have to, you know, at the end of the day, like, there are no teams.

Speaker 7 And I think that was the thing where it felt like again like at the time if you put your brain where my brain was at the time so bob the drag queen just got you know just left and was banished and then i picked up that nikki was admittedly homesick because you know she had a small boy at home at the time so it's like that makes sense but i tied the two together right bob's left it must be so much harder for her to do it without him because they were so close and then i picked up that then that's why when i saw her make that anyway let's, let's just,

Speaker 7 I was a, that was a shitty play. I picked up on the wrong thing.
But listen, there's a lot of times people do the same thing, but they don't get as much heat about it. Sure.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, Dylan's been wrong.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 7 But the girl, but he's, but Dylan is like this hot, very likable guy. It's a lot easier to like.

Speaker 7 Listen, it's just the way the world is.

Speaker 4 Nikki did call in and she said that she wasn't upset with you. And she said that you called her as soon as you got out of the castle and apologized and whatnot.

Speaker 4 But she said very, very sweet things about you and your friendship.

Speaker 1 I love her.

Speaker 7 I love Nikki. I think she's such a badass.
That was obviously, I will never hear the end of it and happily the first person to constantly say like, God, I messed that one up.

Speaker 7 It was hard for me to watch that.

Speaker 1 Where do you and Tom Sandoval stand today?

Speaker 1 Have you guys?

Speaker 1 It's a feud I really love, to be honest.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I know. It does make for entertaining television.

Speaker 1 And is it real or are you guys just you just giving them a hard time?

Speaker 7 I mean, to be honest with you, I think that in the game, it was real because i felt like he like tried to get me out of the castle from a personal i had an off-camera conversation with him because i wasn't sure if he knew about the connection or not i and then when we were on camera and right as soon as we left he started telling everyone i was a traitor so i thought he used a moment where we're not supposed to talk about game i told him that and he used it against me in the game so he was kind of like hey you were you kind of went up to him and you're like listen just i'm i'm friends with Ariana.

Speaker 1 Like, I just transparently just kind of like that.

Speaker 7 We're not even like, I mean, I love her, but we're not, it's not like we're

Speaker 7 calling each other best friends or anything like that. It kind of came up in conversation.

Speaker 1 I mean, when I, when I was on special forces with Tom, I, you know, I didn't know, I hadn't really met him. And, and I was like, hey, I know who you are.
I have a show.

Speaker 1 I've talked a lot of shit, you know, because I just, I didn't want to be like a. a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I didn't want to like, you know, I kind of tried to explain, you know, we have a show.

Speaker 1 I didn't really know you. You know, I don't know you, but like, I look forward to getting to know you.
And yada, yada. But it's

Speaker 1 a completely different show. Like you're supposed to unite and come together.
And Trader's literally is not supposed to trust anyone.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 because I knew that I didn't actually like do anything for him to like have picked up on, it just felt like, oh, okay, he took this one second conversation I had off camera where the one thing is you can't speak games.

Speaker 7 So I thought, oh, I really didn't think that was going to factor into anything. But anyway.

Speaker 1 And when you say off, like, so when you're talking off-cameras, you say the rules are you can't really talk about what's going on in the show. Right.
You can talk about like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 And at the time, the traders hadn't even sports or something.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And the traders hadn't even been chosen yet. So it was a little more lax about, you know, you know, we're literally, I think, micing up or something.
I don't even know.

Speaker 7 Like it wasn't a, it really wasn't supposed to be like a, something that I thought went any further than that.

Speaker 7 I thought, I thought it was more like, hey, like, I hope this isn't awkward because I wasn't sure if he knew that or not.

Speaker 7 And then again, so long story short, in the castle, then I felt like he made it personal. So as soon as now we're out of the castle, it's like, you know, it is what it is.
I don't really care.

Speaker 1 What did, I mean, did you get to know him at all?

Speaker 7 I don't, when you say get to know him, Tom only speaks about himself.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So yes, I heard him speak about himself a lot being in the same room with him.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Was he always sweaty?

Speaker 7 In the castle, which was very cold. Yes.

Speaker 1 I was, we got a chance to interview Sam a couple weeks ago, and I kind of fell in love with him.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't know what, I think he's, you know, I said to him, I think everyone knows who you are and no one knows who you are because we all know him as like the ex of, you know, Britney, this massive icon.

Speaker 1 We only knew what we thought or heard or assumed, you know, and I was really impressed by, you know, just who he was and chatting with him. But like, what was your opinion of him?

Speaker 1 I mean, what when you first met him, were you kind of like me, where it's just like, who is this guy?

Speaker 1 And then you find out who he is and you kind of wonder, you know, there's so many questions, like, what was that like for you?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think it was the same thing.

Speaker 7 I think that there was, you know, there's a group of girls, if you can tell from watching this show, like, it really did feel like, you know, there's a lot of girls, girls in that castle.

Speaker 7 So we were a little standoffish with Sam at first, you know, because I was part of the Free Brittany movement.

Speaker 7 But that being said,

Speaker 7 you also don't know like anything about what, you know, this is all all just like headline stuff. You don't know what's real, what isn't.

Speaker 7 And then the, the, when I actually worked a challenge with him, we were moving our heads up and down the thing.

Speaker 7 He helped me in that moment and was just very lovely and was selfless and not trying to get his up there and just like was helping other people.

Speaker 7 So that was the first time I clocked like, oh, that was really sweet. That was really lovely.

Speaker 7 So he kind of kept to himself, but we didn't, you know, I think Ayon was very funny before she left. She was like trying to get the tea and kept asking him questions.
But

Speaker 7 yeah, so I'm such a shame she got voted off so early. I know.

Speaker 1 I know she's so funny.

Speaker 7 But yeah, I don't, I mean, it's not like we, you know, we spend a lot of time together outside of what it is to like what you learned, but

Speaker 7 he seemed, you know, love, very lovely, but also just kind of reserved.

Speaker 1 There was a, when, when Danielle killed you or exiled you or whatever, she said to you, no one was going to vote you off. So basically saying, like, everyone knows you're a faithful.

Speaker 1 Did you agree with her? And what do you think she meant by that? I'm really fascinated. And I, I think I, who did I ask?

Speaker 1 I think I asked Rob this too, because there seems to be some people where like everyone, including the traders, is just like, yeah, they're just, we know they're a faithful, which is interesting because how do you know anyone's anything?

Speaker 1 If you, if you don't know who the traders are, then how do you know who's definitely a faithful? And I am curious what you think she meant by that and if you agreed.

Speaker 7 I understand the critique because I think, you know, going into it, your goal is to prove that you're a faithful, but you almost can't overdo it because then you'll be up for murder. So

Speaker 7 again,

Speaker 7 I did it too late, but I should have implemented my plan a night before where I was going to let it leak that I actually was an actor and then act like I didn't want people to know that so that it kind of like made a couple of flags go up.

Speaker 7 Because basically, if you're seen as a full faithful, you're, you know, you almost have to constantly be gauging your. your game.
So it's, it's just one of those things.

Speaker 7 Yes, I do think I was too faithful. I feel like everybody kind of knew that I was and that's not a good thing in that game.

Speaker 1 I get the I get the problem of almost being too faithful, but how did because like I could picture, you know, I don't know like if I'm on that show with you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's say I was on the season with you, right? I would have been like if I'm thinking going in who would who would they pick to be a trader?

Speaker 1 You could definitely you would be on the top of my list. Like

Speaker 1 well, you you know, you're obviously a lovely, nice person, right? Like easy to be around. People enjoy your company.
You're popular, but you're not, you're smart.

Speaker 1 And you're, you're, you're, you're very, like, sophisticated.

Speaker 4 Well, that's very sweet.

Speaker 7 I don't think I came across as that smart this season. They cut the vibes definitely screaming.
Come on, guys. Can you leave that in? I was definitely.

Speaker 1 And I know you enough to know that you're smart.

Speaker 1 And I know that, like, you, but, but I guess, and I don't know what everyone else thought about you, but clearly, whatever you did, you, you were like, everyone's like, yeah, well, she is definitely a faithful.

Speaker 1 And I'm just curious

Speaker 1 what did you do to make everyone, even so much so, believe that you're almost too faithful.

Speaker 7 I think because in that very beginning, I had Tony and Tom kind of saying my name. And so from the start, I really felt like out the gate, I had to prove myself as a faithful.

Speaker 7 So I think what I did was, um, now there was one player that was going around swearing on her grandkids. I didn't do that.
Um, I don't think that makes for great gameplay, they cut it out, but um,

Speaker 7 yeah,

Speaker 7 because it's like serious, yeah, yes. But I, but I did, you know, I think that's crazy, by the way.

Speaker 7 Just give if you, if you're, I think it's a couple things, but I think if it's you're, you're an open person

Speaker 7 and then also you're backing it up with like your real feelings. Cause sometimes people would give false feelings, but you're feeling like they're not giving you the truth, even if they are faithful.

Speaker 7 Like there were times I can look back at conversations and be like, I can tell they were being guarded with me, but I just like tried not to have a guard up with anyone.

Speaker 7 I should have done a little more because I was a little too faithful.

Speaker 1 Like during like you were playing the game, you almost like.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like I feel like if you, if you're guarded and people are sensing that you're guarded, you can be a guarded faithful.

Speaker 7 But I, because I was so from the very beginning trying to prove that I was a faithful, I went unguarded because I was like, oh my God, I'm going to get, I don't want to go first.

Speaker 7 Like, and so I just went fully unguarded. And I think in doing that, it really made my case, but then it made it harder to last past a certain point.

Speaker 1 Wow. Did you do any prep going into the show? Like, did you play a lot of what's the game? Mafia? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I did watch like the other seasons. I love the show, but other than that, I didn't really do any.

Speaker 4 You didn't do any like research or strategy,

Speaker 4 strategy?

Speaker 1 Did Rob blow your mind when he was like, like, just how calculated?

Speaker 7 I love Rob. I had just watched Deal or No Deal Island.
I haven't seen his survivor seasons,

Speaker 7 but I knew that he was going to be a player I didn't want to play against.

Speaker 7 So I was like, listen, if we get to a certain point and I need to think about this harder, I know he's not someone you can trust. But right now, I don't want to play against him.

Speaker 7 And I liked feeling like, you know, I was in, I don't know, like, to be honest with you, it feels like a little bit of a nerd, like playing with Rava because I was like, felt like it was like fun to.

Speaker 7 I don't know. That's where I'm not a good game.
Did you ever suspect you?

Speaker 1 I just wanted to play with. Did you ever suspect you with a traitor?

Speaker 7 For sure.

Speaker 7 I mean, obviously, you have to um but that last day when we were doing the bug challenge it was the longest we're out of the castle and we're together in that car me sierra dolores and rob so everybody else is away from rob and imagine he's the kind of player the closer proximity you are to him the harder it would be to you know to not believe him or it just kind of felt like oh like none think about it sierra and dolores none of them voted for him that day no so I'm just saying, it like with a little separation, I would have been able to be like, okay.

Speaker 1 I feel like if you can figure out who the traders are and not tell anyone and get close to the traders, that's got to be the move.

Speaker 1 And even have the, and don't tell the trade, like, just keep it to yourself and make the traders feel like you believe in them because then they will see you like as an ally.

Speaker 7 And I think, to be honest with you, I was going to so use my real personality, which is I want to believe Rob is a faithful and I really do like him.

Speaker 7 And then I felt like, you know, if for any reason I end up at the end, of course I will have to reevaluate this relationship.

Speaker 7 But I think right now, like, let's not look to, let's not go pulling up every single surface. Let's just leave it.
I don't know. So I really, it's hard to say.
It's not like I knew for sure.

Speaker 7 I didn't, but I thought, you know, he's Rob. So there's a possibility.

Speaker 1 And where did you shop before you went? Like, did you come fully ready to go? Did they provide anything?

Speaker 7 No. Nothing.
No, I just kind of like.

Speaker 7 Credit to the, credit to the cast because you all like really look like you i mean rob has a backward hat but they give you like a mood board really yeah and then they yeah i just went shopping okay so you bought you did all of your styling yourself yes good for you even the the red dress you went home with like that was oh actually i take that back so i brought a red they said bring a red dress um bling up and something black and so i brought a red dress but i didn't know it was like obviously i didn't know it was to go outside and do bugs in and it was really cold that day so they gave me the red red dress because mine was like,

Speaker 7 it's hard to explain, but it was a crochet. It was a very selling sunset red dress.

Speaker 4 I was going to say bugs were going everywhere. It was

Speaker 1 ready to go home or like really sad FOMO after you got killed.

Speaker 7 When you're in it, you're sad. You know, it's the same with Dancing with the Stars.
Like you're so in it. You're so like in this bubble.

Speaker 7 And then the second you're actually out of it, you're like, oh, okay, I can get back to my life. I want to have my phone.
I had a dramatic death, which I loved.

Speaker 7 So it's, so in the moment, you really are sad, but then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did have a dramatic death. You're right about Dance with the Stars, too.
That's even worse because if you like, it's still on and it's live and you see them all performing.

Speaker 1 You're like, I was there last week. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But it's that same bubble feeling where it's like you are so immersed and in it, where you really are just like. thinking of everything you wish you'd done.
And oh my God, why didn't I bring that up?

Speaker 7 And anyway, but then cut to 24 hours later, you're like, oh, have fun you guys.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. How's How's G?

Speaker 7 So good. Actually, they're a little recovering from yesterday.
They were a little sick, but good.

Speaker 1 Other than that,

Speaker 1 stuff going around.

Speaker 4 What was going through your mind when you turned around and saw Danielle and Carolyn? Did you suspect either?

Speaker 4 I know you said you kind of suspected Danielle earlier, but like, Carolyn, Carolyn, Carolyn?

Speaker 1 Carolyn.

Speaker 4 Carolyn. Was Carolyn kind of a surprise for you?

Speaker 7 Complete surprise. I mean, real shock.

Speaker 1 Everyone seems to say that. Like, no one suspects her at at all, which tells me, like,

Speaker 4 or I think that she's actually playing like a really good game.

Speaker 1 Clearly, yeah. But Frozen,

Speaker 1 what was she doing? Like, what?

Speaker 7 So, I think because in the castle, um, you know, she was coming across so vulnerable to the game.

Speaker 7 Like, there was a couple times where I remember once she said at the roundtable, like, that she kind of spoke up that day that she had that thing with Danielle and like wasn't feeling like, you know, people were listening to her.

Speaker 7 I went to find her after just to kind of, you know, give her a hug and make sure she was okay and i couldn't find her and then we're later in a holding thing before we go and i just you know that's when we're not supposed to talk and i was like oh i was looking for you i hope you're okay and then she just said like now i know she was a traitor and she was being pulled for interview and i'm an idiot but anyway um in the moment i just wanted to make sure she was all right and then she just said oh i told them i need breaks like i can't mentally take all of this like i need breaks so that sat in my head of like you know her her being like a vulnerable player.

Speaker 7 And it is a lot. And now, of course, that was part of the game.
She was gaming me right in that moment that I was trying to make sure she was okay.

Speaker 1 Is there any like it is a game, right? But the game is to be deceitful and love.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like that was smart.

Speaker 1 Did it make, does it make you feel any kind of way about

Speaker 1 realizing these people so successfully lied to you?

Speaker 7 I think that it's the name of the game. We've signed up for it.
Yes. Can some gameplay be a little like eye roll worthy?

Speaker 7 Like, you know like personally i think swearing on certain things or doing certain things but that being said i've also seen the gamers game on you know things like survivor or whatever of that one famous storyline about his grandma so it's like it's what's that oh uh there's this famous survivor player that like told everyone about his grandma dying and got a lie all and it was all a lie and so and it was like a big johnny fair play that's his name or they do like big amulets to like swear that they have immunity it's like it's

Speaker 1 funny.

Speaker 7 I think the non-gamers don't respect it as much because it's like, oh my God, can someone check on those grandkids?

Speaker 1 Are they okay? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 To bar to the gamers.

Speaker 1 And do they make, does, is anyone doing shit like that swear on your kids? Like, are people out there telling you to do that?

Speaker 7 In the house, Danielle. started that with a group of us and it would it did kind of get her further in the game than because you know they're with the non-gamers.

Speaker 1 She was basically saying, Would you swear on your kids? Or were you? Yeah.

Speaker 7 And she had us go around in a circle. They, of course, this is all cut.
But, and I think to the non-gamers, that stuck with us because it's like,

Speaker 7 you know, like a Dolores and me, you know, and so when it was like started to get too far from my brain, Dolores was one of the ones I talked to.

Speaker 7 But that really, you know, Dolores was like, nobody would do that. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 4 And so anyway.

Speaker 7 But because they cut the whole storyline, they end up cutting my moments where I feel like I'm onto something because they cut the whole storyline.

Speaker 7 So when I really am talking to people about Danielle, that's the main thing we're talking about. So the whole thing is cut anyway.

Speaker 4 I'm hoping Dolores steps up for you.

Speaker 7 But I think it will come out at the reunion. Who knows what they'll cover? But I know Carolyn said as well, she's bringing it up.

Speaker 1 Just out of curiosity, though, when Danielle did that. Did people play along with her or people are like, no, fuck that.
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 7 We all did. It was a group of four of us.
We all went around. We swore on what was the most important to us.
And yeah. And it, it, you'll never see it because they cut it, but it did happen.

Speaker 4 Was this earlier in the game?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So with that, did you remember like red flags go up to with the

Speaker 4 challenge that she did where she wasn't putting her own photo up for a shield? Yes.

Speaker 7 Yes. I was sitting next to Sierra.
And actually, even in that episode, it says, okay, there's red flag. There are flags going up and they're red.
So they gave me one ounce.

Speaker 7 But yes, I even Sierra and and I had a moment where we're both like, what is going on right now?

Speaker 7 So from that moment and then the moment, you know, as I'm kind of consoling her when Derek doesn't come to breakfast, I'm like, you know, I'm from Soap.

Speaker 7 So, you know, there was no tears and the fake acting.

Speaker 1 I was just like, oh, this isn't, doesn't seem right to me.

Speaker 7 So anyway, I'm just mad. I can only be mad at myself because I really wanted to bring it up at that round table and I was just chicken.

Speaker 7 I think, you know, when you're not a gamer, you double question everything. And I, yeah, I wasn't like a super bold player and it hinders you.
You have to just go for it.

Speaker 7 And you might get killed for it. And you got to try it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 What's, I don't know if the term's easier or harder to show up for, selling Sunset or Traders?

Speaker 7 I think it's way easier to show up for Traders because it's a game. Right.

Speaker 7 So even like in these moments where I'm saying, you know, but it's a conversation and some people may respect it and some people may not. But at the end of the day, everyone signed up for a game.

Speaker 1 Right. And it's kind of like the content.
It's lighter. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's easy.

Speaker 1 Like the show is very.

Speaker 1 I'm assuming it's only Sunday. You guys have to show up and figure out what the fuck.

Speaker 7 It's like people sometimes coming after your family in real life.

Speaker 7 And I'm sure the housewives would say the same thing where it's like, you know, in the castle, it's like, well, all's fair and, you know, whatever.

Speaker 4 You might have murdered me, but when I see you next time, I'm not going to be mad about it. Yes.
Like, we may ruin each other.

Speaker 1 No one's like.

Speaker 1 accusing other people of like crazy rumors or anything like that.

Speaker 7 Where it's like, oh, okay, they said this.

Speaker 1 Like, let me try and think of a vlogger and they said yeah

Speaker 7 so traders is i like is it's like under the guise of like even the people that like i didn't have you know like when you said tom sandoval it's like if i see him it's like not like i i'm like oh my god i hate you i don't actually care that much you don't do you know what i mean yeah yeah yeah I was like selling sunset gets real personal.

Speaker 7 It has gotten very personal where it's like, oh, this person can't be in the room at the same time as this person.

Speaker 1 Is there anyone you can't be in the room with on Selling Sunset?

Speaker 7 With our current cast, no.

Speaker 1 Yay. Then that's excluding Nicole.

Speaker 7 There's just been some shake-ups.

Speaker 4 So if you could nominate one of your Selling Sunset cast members to go on Traders, who would you recommend?

Speaker 7 No, actually, Emma would hate it because Emma would hate being away from home off her phone, like immersed in this thing. It would have to be somebody that's like, down to kind of get in there.

Speaker 7 And there's a lot of things that aren't glamorous about the pro no jason oh my god absolutely not the worst of the worst you don't think you'd be good at it because it's super unglamorous like the food you have to eat the hours you have to film are you kidding me

Speaker 7 oh my god he'd be like where call the helicopter where's my agent like the food sucks it's not great at times it's british food it's sometimes not great i'm gonna go with because you have to have a little bit of scrappiness i'm gonna go with chelsea i feel like chelsea would be able to be really like good

Speaker 7 gaming, but also like she's got a good poker face.

Speaker 4 She's also unsuspecting and the British accent.

Speaker 7 But she, yeah, I don't know if she'd be okay with leaving her kids though. So it's hard because some people.
She's more like game playing.

Speaker 1 I'm just curious who you think would do well.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think

Speaker 7 I think that'd be my answer. Would be Chelsea.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 7 Just because like some of the people, like the non, like anyone that like needs a pampered, you know, this and this and this, there's no hair and makeup.

Speaker 7 You have to film all day, like all like crazy hours, no sleep. Like, yeah.
No sleep. It's freezing.
Like you can't, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sleep.

Speaker 7 I mean, you sleep, but it's very, like, especially even if you're a traitor, it's worse. But it's like, I mean, we would get home at like,

Speaker 7 I think one time it was like 1.30 in the morning. And then, you know, they're coming to pick you up at 8.30 in the morning.
And you have to be ready.

Speaker 7 Like, as a girl, you have to wake up early and get ready.

Speaker 7 So it was just, and your brain is reeling. So, it's also hard to fall asleep because you're just like, imagine those nights of what you watched.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. I know.

Speaker 1 You're going over, like, who

Speaker 4 was that weird? Am I going to call them out tomorrow?

Speaker 1 Yeah. How do you just like who voted for that person?

Speaker 7 Wait, did he vote for her? You know what I mean? It's a lot.

Speaker 1 So, I'm just saying. It's just a lot of edibles.

Speaker 1 Are you going to do the show? I, you know, they asked season one, and they've always like they checked in. I just like, it's, it's been too hard to do.
Yeah. Someday I hope I get the opportunity.

Speaker 1 Like I think it would be a lot of fun and like, you know, like having friends who have gone out and had a good time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think someday like, you know, we're doing so much here, but you know, someday I hope I get the chance.

Speaker 7 But it's, it's fun.

Speaker 7 It's like, you know, obviously logistically, there are some elements to it that it's like, oh, you know, this isn't, you know, like going to do, you know, late night talk show and everything is like pampered.

Speaker 7 No, no, no.

Speaker 7 You're, you're,

Speaker 1 I did special forces, Chris. chris i'm oh that's right so the bachelor which is even worse so

Speaker 7 oh you're gonna be fine yeah i would uh i would i don't think i would find it to be i forgot about how could i forget about special forces do you know who was in the castle talking about this non-stop

Speaker 7 sandball it was either his band or that show so actually i know all of that is you really proud of it i mean i yeah listen i'm proud of that experience oh no yeah i'm not saying that but i'm just saying it was like you would literally walk in a room and you'd be talking about that show and i would just be like okay, I can't hear about this one more time.

Speaker 4 You're not going to go see the Tom Miss Annibol and the extras anytime.

Speaker 7 Also, you just have so little time to talk about game and you'd walk in a room and he's talking about his band or he's talking about special forces and you're just like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 How's the real estate market out there?

Speaker 7 It's okay. It's getting better.
The real, you know, the interest rates are high. It's a weird time because of the fires and everything.

Speaker 7 So I want to be positive about it, but I also have to be realistic. So it's getting in a better place.

Speaker 1 Anything else you want to talk about? Was this hard? Easy?

Speaker 1 Wait, is that it?

Speaker 7 I don't know. I just was expecting, listen, that's great for me.

Speaker 1 What were you expecting?

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 7 I never know what to expect.

Speaker 1 And now I feel like we have to ask her more questions. I know.

Speaker 4 So this season is still like sunset.

Speaker 1 No, it's kidding.

Speaker 1 You're in love. You're happy.
Everything's great.

Speaker 7 I'm so in love. So happy.

Speaker 4 How is married life?

Speaker 7 Married life is good. So good.
G has to turn their album in at the end of next week. So just been working like crazy long hours.
But I am excited for the world to see, you know, the new songs.

Speaker 7 Maybe there was some really lovely ones in there. But also just like the best work they've ever done.
So.

Speaker 1 Five years from now, what would be your dream come true?

Speaker 1 Like describe your life.

Speaker 1 And I want specifics. Not like I'm happy and healthy.

Speaker 1 Let's assume. Let's assume we're happy and healthy.
You asked for this.

Speaker 7 Okay, five years from now. I don't know.
See, why did i shut why couldn't i shut my mouth and been like

Speaker 7 you're stuck here five years from now i mean i have to be open to different possibilities because i know that i will be with g and we'll be happy and we'll have to make whatever happens work but you know it's we've had some difficulties um we obviously are trying to have a family oh wonderful i didn't know um yes so you know it's just you know it's not the easiest so we've just you know so i don't know So I guess the reason why I'm not giving specifics is because in my position, if it doesn't happen the way I want it to happen, I don't want it to look like a failure in any way.

Speaker 1 Like, well, I'll get my mind around the new conceiving is always this in a very emotional time and scary time, regardless of who you are. And can I ask some questions around that?

Speaker 7 Sure. I may not answer them, but you can ask whatever you want.

Speaker 1 What's the process that you guys are going through?

Speaker 7 Like, so basically, we went through the process of, you know, having a donor, you know, with eggs and all of that stuff. And it just didn't work out.

Speaker 7 And for a few reasons. And so then going forward and figuring out, you know, what we have to do, it's a whole thing, but basically, like a lot of things have to go right.

Speaker 7 And I am of a certain age, you guys.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you know the certain.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 23.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Oh my God.
What was that viral moment where that girl's like saying, I'm, I know myself to be 26.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 I know that there's

Speaker 7 so anyway, um, so anyway, without getting too in the weeds, it's just, it's a process.

Speaker 7 And I think that I'm trying to learn and stay open to, it may look different than what I'm, we're trying for currently, because if time ends up being like, oh, too late, then we'll do something else and we'll, so something else will be the.

Speaker 1 Either way, it'll be perfect.

Speaker 1 So I, yeah, I'm just the poster child for, you know, go with, try it but try and always embrace it and be happy with what you're given so well i i'm excited for you both and i i i wish luck seems like i'm wishing you nothing but no listen i'll take it we need it i'll take some luck uh but i certainly know that can be an emotional time so you know uh just you know be there for each other obviously i'm sure obviously you guys are but anything else i appreciate that no i no now we're really good nick i can go deeper i mean like what's your trauma like

Speaker 1 let's unpack it, Michelle. What's your trauma, Nick?

Speaker 7 Let's get a, let's get a juicy segment from.

Speaker 1 We're like, that's it? Like, as if I didn't do my job. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 I never meant to do that. But

Speaker 1 can we get a juicy moment from you?

Speaker 7 A juicy segment from you? What do you mean? What's your trauma? Let's unpack it.

Speaker 7 You want me to leave? No.

Speaker 7 I liked when you guys went into your latest fight the other day.

Speaker 7 I thought that that was.

Speaker 1 You know, Nellie and I have we've

Speaker 1 been sharing more anecdotal stories about our love life. I was absolutely right, though.
I know the internet completely disagreed with me.

Speaker 7 But I think it's healthy when you can like get to a place where, you know, you're almost like laughing about how ridiculous it is because it helps you in those moments then not take it so personally.

Speaker 1 You're a great person to ask because I do feel like a lot of mine and Natalie's like discussion and more subsequently like the opinions of the internet, I feel like it was more gender-based. Okay.

Speaker 1 You know, guy job versus girl job. Yeah.
And I feel like with you and G, who's doing what?

Speaker 1 Because like you guys don't have to conform to some of the gender stereotypes that maybe your, you know, heterosexual relationships do. Yeah.
Who's getting the water?

Speaker 7 And to be honest with you, we don't have,

Speaker 7 so that's interesting you bring that up because it's not like one person takes on the, you know, the quote unquote guy's role and not like, because I'm a very nurturing person.

Speaker 7 So I love to take care of G, but then also like it switches because G can be that way for me. I think it depends on who has 100% and who doesn't.

Speaker 7 So if G's really tired, had a long day, I'm doing everything I can to like go overboard and try and nurture and everything.

Speaker 7 And then I come home from work and I'm like, these crazy bitches or something. And G's like, okay, what can I get you?

Speaker 7 What I think it's just realizing who's who has more to give at the time and switching roles.

Speaker 4 Okay, but if you're in the bed first.

Speaker 7 If I was in the bed first, G would go get it for me.

Speaker 7 But I would ask very nicely. 100%.

Speaker 7 And yes.

Speaker 1 For the record, I want to say that there are several nights each week where I am in bed and then have to get out of bed to do whatever. So the in-bed first rule does not apply to

Speaker 1 members of ours. I'm just part of the story.

Speaker 4 That's all.

Speaker 1 I am traumatized by that.

Speaker 7 I'm bad at this because I saw and I could see both sides because I actually can understand if it was like, yeah, so I'm probably not a good person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're just a vessel for all relationships out there to feel seen.

Speaker 7 But I do think it was nice that you guys kind of went into it because this

Speaker 7 ends up being like what people end up, like the little things like that earlier.

Speaker 1 It's like relatable. Chris, I always love seeing you.

Speaker 7 That was so lovely.

Speaker 1 Nice to have you. I just want this to be harmless for you.
So then, you know, next time and I'm like, come back. And you're just like,

Speaker 1 I know. You should be on.
Twice a year.

Speaker 7 Oh, that's very sweet. What are we going to talk about? I don't know.
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 You're a busy bee. You're a fascinating person.

Speaker 1 We can also, are you watching any TV? Are you doing any, like, are you?

Speaker 7 I haven't, you know what? I haven't been watching. I'm normally like a bachelor-bachelorette person.

Speaker 1 Are you doing severance at all? Yes. Oh, my God.
Where are you?

Speaker 1 I'm caught up. You're caught up.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I'm caught up. But yeah, I feel like I feel like at the last couple seasons, I fell behind and then I haven't caught up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So I think I excited the

Speaker 7 I didn't see the bachelorette or this bachelor's. No, No, there's no more Bachelorette.
I think it was because I was filming The Traders.

Speaker 7 And then it was when the first Bachelorette aired is when we were filming that. And now I'm behind.
So I'm just, I don't know.

Speaker 4 It's a good season.

Speaker 1 I will say.

Speaker 7 I can always catch up. It's actually more fun if you can just binge it all at once.
So maybe I'll do that one night. All right.

Speaker 7 But yeah, no, I have nothing to, unless you're going to do a severance episode, Nick. I doubt.

Speaker 4 Will you be watching White Lotus?

Speaker 1 We watch.

Speaker 1 Are you kidding? We watch. I love it.
Did you watch the first episode?

Speaker 1 I thought the first episode was a little slow. Oh my God.

Speaker 7 Can we talk about how let down I am by the music yes wait are you talking about the theme song or the whole song yes you how can you go from that song to that song

Speaker 4 like it's still in my head

Speaker 1 what is the new song no one knows no false no one knows it's just like elevator music i i understand it's episode one you got all these things mature you get the story you know right but i was like i was like

Speaker 7 but you know what but it's shit up i know but it's just how it works with every single because they're all new characters so that part didn't bother me but i was a little like oh well not all new Oh, true.

Speaker 1 Got a couple.

Speaker 7 But think about it. Even season one, season two, they all start slow because you're

Speaker 1 trying to get together. This one they all are.

Speaker 4 I feel like we usually start with like a dead body in a there was a dead body. Oh, I guess we did.
I guess we did in a body of water.

Speaker 1 I take that back. Yeah, I was there.
What is the second floating dead body to start the season? So,

Speaker 1 Mike. Oh, come on.

Speaker 7 I think it's going to be great.

Speaker 1 But the reviews, I mean, everyone says this is, they've, they've hyped this up.

Speaker 7 Has someone seen the whole thing and already said that?

Speaker 1 No, but I, I,

Speaker 1 I don't know, critics, i don't know someone okay the internet you know maybe it's mike white himself yeah but like look parker posy can do anything i love parker posy i love i love the people in the cast yes i've just you know i but i've heard this is like yes i'm gonna get past the song i feel like i'm gonna let i love the show so we'll forgive yes the music

Speaker 1 so unmemorable for me well stick with it because i feel like it's just no offers

Speaker 1 we're gonna stick with it i don't know why i'm saying it like

Speaker 1 we love you thanks for coming. Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Goodbye. All right.
Well, thanks for listening. And thank you to all our guests, Denise Richards, Alex from Love is Blind, and Chris Stauss.
We love them all.

Speaker 1 We got a great week lined up for you next week, so be sure to tune in. Until then, have a great weekend.
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