E888 - Denise Richards Returns, Traitors w/ Chrishell, Love Is Blind w/ Alex, RHOBH, & Justin/Blake Update

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

And boy, do we have a jam-packed episode for you.

Momentarily, the icon herself, Denise Richards, will be joining us to just, you know, gab a little bit,

talk about her

new bravo show what's it called denise in the wild things denise in her wild denise in the wild in her wild things either way it's a great title we love it uh we're excited to talk with denise fresh off her appearance on special forces and just like i honestly like denise's has good stakes on life so we're excited to talk with her then we have alex from love is blind the guy who in or was in the

relationship with Madison.

What a couple. Anyways, we'll be...
has good stakes on life. So we're excited to talk with her.
Then we have Alex from Love is Blind, the guy who was in the relationship with Madison.

What a couple.

Anyways, we'll be talking with him

and get into the rest of episode three through six

of Love is Blind.

I think that's what we were talking about.

Four through six?

Four through six.

Then we have another icon herself,

Grishel Staus, is with us to talk about her time on Traders,

catch up with her. Great conversation that we have with Groeschel.
Very exciting stuff for you ahead. What's going on with this fish? All right.
I came in here, you guys are obsessed with some fish. You asked me if I watched Finding Nemo.
I was like, why do I care about this? She's a diva taking the world by storm, Leia. It's really the only thing I care about right now, if I'm being honest.
No, please. Okay.
This black sea devil angler fish was spotted swimming to the surface of the ocean. Oh, this ugly little thing.
They're not ugly. No.
Not ugly. They live at the depths of the ocean floor, essentially.
It is very deal yeah it literally lives in darkness where the sun

doesn't hit the ocean and it swam all the way up to the surface so that it could see the sun before it died and i know that there's an environment scary environmental reason that this is happening but i'm gonna ignore it because it's so cute they're not supposed to make it to the surface so they provide light for like to catch prey but also the organisms down at the bottom where there is no light. How big is this fish? Okay, well, no.
How big do you think that fish is? Just judging by your gut instinct, how big do you think that fish is? Three feet. It's in the palm of your hand.
Really? Yeah, it's really tiny. I didn't know.
Is that small? It's so small. And how did we find or discover this fish? They made it look huge in finding Nemo.
Some of them are bigger. Well, she was really small.
Well, Nemo's. Okay, but think of clown fit, I guess, yeah.
Yeah. So what happened is basically she was dying and she wanted to see the sun.
Yes, she. We know she.
We know her. Apparently the males are small.
We're not. No, this is not.
This is science. This is science.

This is science to say publicly?

Yes.

Okay.

She was dying and she wanted to see the sun before she died.

So she swam up to the surface.

Oh my God.

Who discovered this?

How do we know this?

And wait, is she dead now?

She's dead.

She's not supposed to make it to the surface.

But she did.

She did.

But she saw the sun before she died.

Nevertheless, she persisted.

How do we know this?

Scientists. Is this a story?

Yeah. Also, fish are not supposed to

float to the surface. They regulate with

oxygen and whatnot so that they stay

below. I mean, you know, she'd have...

I don't know. I feel like all my goldfishes, when they died,

they were belly up and

floating. The surface.
That's what I'm saying.

No, no. This fish swam to the surface.
She made a long journey. That is so beautiful.
Yeah, she made a journey. You know what that reminds me of? There's like a veterinarian clinic somewhere.
I don't know exactly where and what part of the country, but whenever they have to like euthanize dogs, they like if they're sick or like old age or whatever, they give them a Hershey's kiss because they say no dog should die without trying chocolate. There's like a trend where people are like doing like a last day for my dog.
And I, oh my God, I can't. I can't even think about it.
Guys, this is getting really sad. Yeah, it is.
Well, I found the remote under Nick's pillow, everyone. So that's where it was the whole time.
Under my pillow? Yep, under your pillow. That's where it was the whole time.
So you put it there. I put it there? So I was sleeping.
Guess I'm not a princess. Pillow princess? You guys never heard of the princess and the pea? Oh.
Princess and the pea. Yeah.
I slept soundly, so I guess not a princess. That means that Nick's humble is what he's saying.
Right. what that is? Yeah, because remember she could fill the pee because she was so spoiled that even with like 20 different mattresses stacked on top, she felt the one pee.
I live a hard life. I really do.
Special forces training. Yes, yes, yes.
Yes, of course. Blake Lively has amended her complaint that came out yesterday with updates alleging that there are additional women coming forward or that women additional women came forward and complained about Justin's onset behavior and those people are prepared to testify at whatever trial may or may not come forward so there is that so I don't know I imagine the Justin Baldoni people will pick it apart and all the online trolls.

I'm just really, really looking forward to the day this finally goes to court.

I'm just looking forward to that day where I can tell all of you, I told you so, there's

going to be a lot of people who really embarrass themselves.

Whitney Cumming comes to mind, most importantly.

I don't think that's the biggest thing.

Well, there's a lot of people, but most of the people who are coming forward are just like coming forward are just like people you've never heard of. They're like online.
Oh, I meant Whitney Cummings says other stuff she can be embarrassed for. But she was one of the more mainstream public figures to like seem to start writing for Justin, which I found a bit shocking.
But whatever I do, I feel very confident that people are going to find out. It say the 137 page filing included new assertions of alleged misconduct saying in quotes miss lively was not alone in raising allegations of onset misconduct more than a year before the film was edited in evidence of alleged threats harassment and intimidation of lively and others and defendants retaliatory campaign so i just think people really are missing whole point.
I think people should be really kind of scared about how effective this online smear campaign of Justin Bononi has been. As soon as like the witnesses start testifying, like the, you know, the accusation about like Justin, like claiming he didn't stop when he didn't get consent.
And then her driver kicked him out. Like if he testifies, it pretty it's pretty easy to prove like the kind of online activity of justin the smear campaign you know they're only just debating about who threw what punch first anyways more to come we'll see what happens but uh we'll see what happens when they go to a trial leave it to the courts like asap rocky did and he is now innocent rocky is proven to be found not guilty.
So a little different than innocent, but not guilty. Did you see his reaction where he jumped through the pews into Rihanna's arms? Yes, I read an article about that first.
And I was like, they made it sound so like he dove into the crowd and flew across people. It really was like kind of crazy.
Yeah. Yeah, it really was.
Do we have it? I love a good bet on yourself story,

and this is one of the more ultimate bet on yourself stories.

A man who was offered six months in prison,

turned that down,

was facing up to 25 years in prison,

and won.

That's a big bet.

That's a big bet.

Let me see this video.

Yeah, no, he dove.

He absolutely dove.

That's sexy. What a sexy.
he actually pushed someone out of the way to get to her i think he like like his lawyer was there and he was like hug okay get the off me my wife if i if i was married to rihanna i would do the exact same thing she would be my number one priority i don't even have to be married to her to want to do that. That's so true.
Is Denise here? Yes. Let's bring her in.
Your show is huge. I'm so happy for you.
Thank you, Denise. It's amazing.
Thank you. It was probably because you came on.
Oh, stop. Welcome back, by the way.
Thank you for having me. So good to be with you.
How have you been? I've been great, thank you. It's nice to know.
I hope you agree. But first time you came on here, it was like, oh my God, we're having these Richards on.
Like a Bond girl. And now we're friends.
I love that. Now we're family.
And when I was here last time, you weren't parents yet. You were pregnant.
That's crazy. She was.
So how is parenthood? It's been over a year. Lovely.
She just turned one beginning of this month. Isn't it crazy how fast? It goes so fast.
I honestly had a moment the night before her birthday and I was like putting her to bed and I was crying and I was like, I must have just been like blacked out. How did it go by this fast? Like there's no way.
It goes by really fast. I made Natalie cry last night though.
Why? We were just talking about being parents and we're talking about our parents. And I just, I, I was empathizing with our parents because, you know, sometimes as we get older and like, I don't know, sometimes we just get annoyed with our parents or we

have expectations of our parents or whatever, or we don't need our parents.

We want things from our parents.

And I was just like, well, now that we have a kid, like every day that goes by River will

need us less and less, you know, like she can't shot in the heart. So like, and then I just started crying, you know, obviously because she has that bond, but I was just kind of pointing out that like, you know, we're so used to River.
We can't look away for five seconds, especially now that she's walking. Oh, I know.
And so it's just like for survival, our daughter needs constant supervision. And like everything that goes by, she gets a little bit more independent.
And that'll be the case every day for the rest of her life. And I think as we get older as adults, we will kind of push back on our parents and fight for that independence, right? And I think as parents, I'm imagining as your daughters have gotten older, you've felt that kind of...
Oh, it's so hard. It's such a hard adjustment.
But at the same time, in a weird, strange way, they need us more when they get older too, because they need your advice. Even though sometimes they don't want to hear it.
My mom even always said before she passed away, she was like, you never stop being the parent. I'm always going to be there and you're always going to need me.
And I did like whatever was going on. So it's just, and someone said this to me too, when around when my oldest daughter was one, it was a director and he's like, you know what? You grow with your kids.
And it's so true. Like you'll grow with them.
So it's not like all of a sudden they're babies and then they're out of the house, even though it kind of is a blink of an eye of it happening. And my oldest is turning 21 in a few weeks.
And I can't believe I have a 21-year-old daughter. It's so weird.
I remember being 21. It's so surreal and strange.
That is fun. So you have your new show out.
Yes, we have a new show. Love the name.
Thank you. Did you come up with it? No, I did not.
Alex Baskin did. Good old Alex.
Yeah. Great name, right? It's a great name.
It's a great name. I'm very excited about it.
I think all of Bravo Nation is excited to have you back. Thank you so much for saying that.
Were you feeling any type of like anxiety or nerves about that or feeling like maybe people weren't excited? Well, I think it's always a little nervousness, especially when you join the Housewives. The Housewives is successful no matter who's on the show.
But when it's your own show, you're like, oh, what are you? It's on all of us, me mostly.

And it's a different experience having now my daughters being older and they're very much a part of it.

So it's exciting.

But of course, you're like, I hope people watch it.

Oh my God, I think they definitely will.

Well, that iconic line when it was like, dude, you're being such a bitch.

Don't call your sister a dude.

I forgot I said that until I saw it. I was like, oh, gosh.
I was more concerned about her calling her a dude. That is why you are on TV.
That is why, yeah, it is good. Was it a fun filming process? It was, but it was also challenging working with your family yeah and especially the older girls there were times where they may be a little tired or something i'm like i don't care you just yep we have to show up and i imagine when you guys discussed filming the show like you went to you know your husband and the and the girls and asked their interest in it.
Definitely. Yeah.
Alex approached me and said, what do you think about doing a family reality show? And then he and I, and I thought that could be fun. I want to make sure though, that the girls were wanting to do it.
And so he and I met with the girls and they had a couple conversations with him and they were really excited about it. And then we shot a sizzle a year ago and then we started filming a little shortly after that.
So it's been, and for that, it's very different because they've done, they were on, we were on a reality show years ago, but they were so little.

But then, and they've done a few scenes on Housewives.

But to be very involved, it's a little different.

But I think they had fun doing it.

We'll see.

And then we'll see some Housewife cameos, it looks like.

Mostly Bev Hills, or are we going to have some other franchise crossovers?

Yeah.

Mostly Bev Hills.

Are you watching this season at all?

I've only seen a few episodes this season. Because last night was crazy.
I didn't see last night. Oh, I'll have to catch up.
It was a good episode. Yeah.
It was. Who are you close with? Camille.
Specifically like this season. And anyone on this current season? Sutton.
Okay. And Garcelle.
Sutton and Garcelle. And Kathy.
Okay. I love Kathy.
Can you help us get Kathy on this show? Yes. I DM'd her once and she wrote back.
She's like, let's do it. And then we went back and forth and she has since ghosted me.
I know someone I can call to try to get her on. I'm sure she would love to be here.
I think we would have so much fun. Oh, you would.
She's so funny. She is funny.
Right? I would die. Yeah.
There was that scene last night where they were all fighting and Buzz was like, you should just be quiet. And Kathy's like, you're right.
Yeah. Okay.
I will make a call when I leave here. I would really appreciate it.
And also, I just want to say how proud I am of you on your special forces appearance. Thank you so much for saying that.
Denise had called me up. So after not too, a few months after she had came on the show, you know, and for people who don't remember, who didn't listen to the episode, Denise was very interested in asking questions about my time on special forces.
And then very nervous about the craft services and the potty. Yeah.
The potty. But I told you, I think I told you I wasn't, when I did do your show, I said there's no way I would do it.
Right? You seemed on the fence. You liked the idea.
Because I remember I called you on the fence. I wasn't sure.
You were still on the fence. Yeah.
I was still on the fence. Nan and I went to, I remember it because Nan and I decided to like drive to Calabasas for brunch.
It was one of those things like let's do something different, you know? And it went by, that was a nally. Let's do do something different so we drove to calabasas for a brunch that wasn't as good whatever anyways denise called uh i was like denise hirscher's calling me oh my god that's cute but denise called and she had some questions about special forces and i was i answered those questions and uh she ended up doing it and you were so like committed to doing well and And that was your big thing when you called is like, you really wanted to go and kind of test yourself and see what you're capable of.
And I really admired that. Thank you.
I was so naive to think I could go further than what I did. But you did insane things.
Like you jumped off of a moving boat onto a flying helicopter. I can't believe that.
I was to do that like i could have really gotten hurt well yeah i'll just go did you not get hurt though i didn't get hurt on that jumping off the bridge i did jumping off the bridge yeah oh that one yeah yeah well i i thought it was incredible you were literally a speeding boat jumping onto a helicopter and you did that but in a movie, if that was like a real stunt, first of all, they wouldn't have the actor do it. Second of all, if we did, there would be all this, I don't know, you'd rehearse more.
You'd probably practice like somewhere else. It wouldn't be just like, okay, here we go.
Action and just go. No, literally.
Exactly. Like when I went into that show, I was like, oh, they're going to give us all this training.
And no, what happens is like you're standing on like, I don't know, the shoreline. And then they go look over there and they like demo.
They're like, this is what you're going to do. Watch.
And they're like, go do that. Like, that's it.
That's all the training you get. Did you have to channel yourself, like try and think like, okay, I'm in a movie.
I'm acting. This is how I'm going to do that.
I had to pretend like I was doing a movie. If it was just me, I wouldn't have done it.
I wouldn't have been able to go. When I saw the very first thing we had to do was to jump off a moving boat in this weird water.
I didn't know what was in there. And we didn't have our phones to Google the body of water.
I wanted to see if there were sharks and shit. They take our phones away, as you know.
And I was like, what the hell's in there? And it's dark and raining. And I don't know.
Anyway, it was scary. And when the helicopter was going up, I thought, okay, the further I go up, the further I'm going to go there.
And so I just was like, I'm going to let go. You're a badass.
I told you when we talked, I'm like, oh, you can finish if you, as long as you don't quit, unless you get hurt. And then, you know, you don't hurt.
No, I did get hurt. But even if I didn't get hurt, I would have opted out with the fight stuff.
When I saw they don't use a lot of head, like, I don't need my nose broken right now. Yeah.
So I would have opted out for that.

You're punching.

You're just straight up fighting.

Good for you.

After doing it, I can't.

For you to do what you did, incredible.

Well, thanks, Ines.

This is about you.

Well, thank you.

But for obviously people, it's much harder than it looks.

Was there any part of you watching it back that was like, oh, I could. Oh, really?

I saw the clips.

I don't like watching my stuff. But also that because in the room where they take the potato sack off your head, you know, I said stuff that I've never talked about before and I didn't know what they were airing.

I was like, and when I left there, I was like, oh, my gosh, why did I say this? But I wanted to be honest, too, and get out what I could from the show.

But I think that's part of it, too.

Yeah, you're a little bit like, yeah, I don't need to.

I don't need to.

Yeah.

So how do and how are we feeling about the niece in the wild things?

I mean, the one thing that people will see, we have pretty much no filter, which is not a surprise with myself and my family. And it's just slice of life.
And I'm excited about it. And it's also, you know, you're so vulnerable when you're like, oh, my gosh, we shot a reality show and it's all of us just out there.
Did you feel safer in this environment than with the housewives? Because obviously you can't't control what all these other women are saying and like they want to create drama and like here you're with your family. I think I was more protective in this situation because of my girls, because, you know, they've lived in the shadow of their parents their whole life.
And for them to be out there on their own, in a sense, that's, you know, they're doing press, they're doing stuff. They've never done this before.
So it's new for them to be out there on their own in a sense that's you know they're doing

press they're doing stuff they've never done this before so it's new for them so it's also being

more protective about them being exposed to different things and comments and stuff like that

but that's uh you know so i think it's a little bit of bold that makes sense is charlie making

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Did you approach him and ask, hey, we're doing this? What do you think? Can you do this? And he said, yes, right away. Then he was like, no, then yes.
I'm like, you wanted me to do something for your documentary. You're doing this.
There you go. And he had a good time, actually, I think.
It was a good experience. That will be fun to watch.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, we uh it was he and I and Lola and it was it was good and the relationship with your husband and Charlie still pretty positive yeah no they they from day one they've always had a pretty good relationship which helps what else have you been up to well that's been a lot you have been quite busy, I've been busy with that and just family life, as you know, with kids. And it's been great and exciting.
What have you been doing kind of just to unwind and kind of take care of yourself and relax? What have you been doing for fun? Well, I think I told you, I don't know if I shared this with you, but if I didn't, this is my advice to you guys being new parents is I think it's good to always like my husband and I, we do once a month where we'll do a staycation where we will go to a hotel in the area and just shut down and not have any distractions.

And I think it's so important for especially young parents to to not forget to have romance and have your time to always reconnect. Yeah, exactly.
And it's nice to just have that. I mean, you could still have sex too at your house, but I'm just saying it's nice to have like no distractions where, you know, so I love that.
We went to New York for an interview, which happened to be Valentine's Day. Oh.
And so we went alone. Oh, you did? Was that the first time leaving the baby? No, it's third.
That was like our third, but I think that was the longest time. It's usually like one night that we're able to leave.
This was two nights. I feel like it's a good balance.
I'm always saying to Natalie, like, this is good for her. I think this is good for us, you know, because like, we're not going for any extended period of time.
We're very lucky to feel very safe and confident with the childcare that we do have, which is often her mom. Which is nice.
And like, you know, I think, I think I read somewhere you learn, but like, you know, you're at some point, your child needs to learn that you can leave and come back. Right.
And so even if it's for a short period of time and so yeah we're you know testing the water nothing and nothing extended it's a little nerve-wracking for sure there's always a little bit of guilt you know just to be away it's because now she like knows that we're gone you know like before she just was so little she didn't really like know what was going on and now it's like if we facetime and the facetime hangs up she's crying she's mad she's was so little. She didn't really, like, know what was going on.
And now it's like if we FaceTime and the FaceTime hangs up, she's crying. She's mad.
But then she's fine after that. Yeah.
For, like, five seconds. Exactly.
And you know what? When she's 10, she's not going to remember. That's true.
And she's not going to be like, oh, my parents left. Yeah.
And I think it's important for kids to know, like, mom and dad or mom and mom or dad and dad, whoever is, like, it's okay for them to them to like, they need their time too. I think it's good for kids.
I think so. And then when they get a little bit older, you'll be like, can we leave for a week? We got to get out of here.
Mom, can you watch her? Do you keep up with Kyle or Dorit at all? Dorit, I don't. Kyle, though.

Yeah.

So you don't know anything

about what's going on

with Dorit's marriage?

I don't.

I mean, I've heard...

It's a big storyline

of this season.

I agree that it is.

Okay.

Yeah, Kyle's involvement

and PK's friendship.

It's all a big mess

on this season.

I personally don't know.

I didn't ask Kyle about it. I mean, if I were I would definitely not.
I don't watch often shows I'm on. I did watch Special Forces, though.
How could you not? You made it to as far as you did. I don't watch any of my acting.
It's been traumatic for me. Why is it traumatic for you? I think it's a little imposter syndrome for sure.
I don't really need to critique my performances. I was just happy to be there.
And do you want to do more acting? Do you like it? I do like it. I was doing more a few years back with the show taking off and us being so busy.
I've had less opportunities and certainly I've had less opportunities to study and practice because I'm not a natural, that's for sure. I really enjoyed studying it and taking the classes and getting better and understanding what it took to be a good actor and just the prep that goes into it and more than anything, just having respect for acting.
Before I even took any acting classes, I would just watch movies, watch tv and i would just be watching a show i wouldn't really even think about the performances you know what i'm saying right right and then once you you know are able to go on set or you study acting a little bit you do acting classes you watch in a different way and and i've always i've enjoyed that process of like being aware of like that's a you know watching a performance and being and realizing what that is and you know understanding how tv is made or how movies are made i have a much different appreciation for it so if i get the opportunity to do it i would love to do it but you know it's it's not something that i'm like i'm not studying it as much as i used to just okay like you know the show fatherhood things like that it's. It's been tougher.
But how about you? Well, it's funny too when I watch movies or TV shows, if it's a night scene, I'm thinking, oh gosh, they're freezing. You're up all night doing these shoots.
And so I do look at it too differently. Or if it's action movies are hard.
But if it's a one line here or there and to do that well, it's not as easy as it looks sometimes. So it is, you just look at it a little differently.
Well, it's the thing. The better the performance, the easier it looks because you don't really think of the performance.
It looks like someone just experienced, you're like you were watching a documentary. Do you think you'll ever want to get back into acting or are you really enjoying the reality TV? Yeah, I mean, this year has been tough with that because with the strike and things, I was going to be doing a few projects, but they all got pushed.
But I love acting and I've been lucky that I've done a few other movies, but this year has been a little with the business and stuff,

but I love it.

I love being on set.

I love the camaraderie with everyone and collaborating.

It's fun.

How were you affected, if at all, with the fires?

I know you're in Malibu?

Calabasas.

We did have to evacuate.

We were so lucky, though.

I mean, my gosh.

Living in LA my whole adult life,

seeing fires here,

That was the worst I've ever seen. The worst.
To see what's happened. But you guys were safe.
Yeah, we were. Did you have to, I mean, I know we did, and it was a very traumatic thing to even have to, like, pack a to-go bag to, like, think of everything that you that you cannot replace well because we were in the woosley fires and i learned after that you have to have everything ready because uh we lost some things in that one but um with this time like trying to we did have to evacuate we were uh out for about two weeks wow almost where'd you go on santa Barbara.
We got an Airbnb. We were hotel hopping and then weeks.
Wow. Almost.
Where'd you go? Santa Barbara.

We got an Airbnb.

We were hotel hopping and then we were able to get like a, because also we didn't have power.

Mostly it was that.

So, but it's all good.

We're all safe and everything's great.

So curious, you know, in, in housewife world, you know, it's like, there's a lot of close

friendships as you know, and then, you know, but it's also a lot of, you're in in housewife world you know it's like there's a lot of close friendships

as you know and then you know but it's also a lot of you're in the limelight you know housewife sometimes is predicated off of jealousy and things like that i'm curious like getting your own show while nerve-wracking and obviously the pressure it's you know i feel like there's a lot of house wives out there that would prefer their own show rather than being part of an ensemble cast and have you felt any jealousy or has it just been all support from your friends? The ones I'm friends with, I've felt support. I don't know the ones that I'm not friends with.
They can be pissed for all we know. I'm not sure.
Late night phone calls and someone just breathing on the other end and hanging up. Yeah, no, I'm sure they're, you know, whatever.
You don't give a fuck. I don't.
Okay. I don't mean to say it like that, but it's like when you're, if I gave a fuck, I would have, you know, I've had so much shit said over the years and that kind of thing that at some point I just had to have thick skin and just do what I wanted to do.
It is honestly such a healthy mindset I feel like to have is just to be like, I don't give a fuck. Like, I really don't.
It's a blessing in a way when you've had shitty shit written about you. You're like, at some point, you're like, okay, well, what more could they say? No, I really don't care.
It's fine. I'm just going to live my life.
Do you remember? Was there any particular thing that you had to go through that you really got good at? My divorce. Your divorce? Yeah, that was really hard.
That was the first time I ever experienced bad press and being misunderstood and having lies out there where I felt like I had to defend it. And, you know, my publicist, who I'm still with, I've been with her forever, would tell me, don't say anything.
And I would just be so, I really wanted to, but she was so right with that just to sit back, just be quiet. But it's hard because when you're misunderstood and, you know, I kind of had to go in a bubble and not read anything or hear about anything, because it's, it can be very toxic and dark, especially having young babies, trying to be a mom and a single mom and doing all of that.
And it affected my job. It was really hard.
And so, but it was such a good lesson for me because I was always like a people pleaser and worried when I did interviews, what to say. Bless you.
Thank you. You're welcome.
So it was just, it was actually the silver lining going through all that was that I was able to just be myself doing stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah.
I feel like today's like I feel like TikTok is the like nasty OK magazine and like the like tabloids of that era who would just print crazy false like makeup. I feel like TikTok is that today because it's like anyone can say anything

and run with it and it gets millions of views and goes viral and whatever. And so, yeah, it's like for me, I don't I don't get on TikTok.
I don't because like the second I get on, I have an intense anxiety of like what? I know. Because people can just say they can say whatever.
And it's crazy. It is crazy.
Yeah. I'm glad I didn't go through my divorce during this this time yeah yeah oh yeah now it's it's nuts out there no it's not good yeah but there's a lot of positive with it all too but still i'm glad my shit was before that yeah i was gonna ask you something i forgot are you gonna ask me about the toilet on special forces you I'm joking.
That was one of your, when you were sitting here, you were like, I'm worried about the craft, the food. You're like, where's the craft services set up? There's no craft service.
You were right about that. There's definitely no craft service.
No, there isn't. There is at the end.
Oh, right. When you finish.
And you go through the gates. There's a whole camp.
Yeah, there's a whole camp. There's like civilization.
You're like, what the fuck what the fuck no it's so crazy yeah they have hot tea for you yeah no yeah real food yeah it was like you know soda you know whatever did you guys have a changing room outside with the heaters there was a changing room next door with yeah like when you were doing your tasks and if you guys got cold or wet or whatever.

Yeah, there was a drying room.

Or whatever.

So we had to dry our clothes.

No, but not in the camp.

But when you're out doing stuff.

Because I remember when you guys were doing that, there'd be even just a little plastic tent.

Sometimes there was a tent.

We never had that.

Well, the first time there was a tent.

And then there was always a tent for safety. would tell they wouldn't let us use the tent you know so like unless you were dying you had to change outside oh okay got it basically yeah i was surprised by that and when you have to change on tv yeah i was like oh gosh no it's network television you just have to trust that.
Someone's going to see it, but hopefully not America.

I know, but still.

And it's freezing.

Yeah.

Especially for us guys, you know.

Wait, so the potty was, it was just a bucket, right?

Well, no, I did get a private toilet.

Okay.

What do you mean?

So there's the ones where the door, because I was like, I don't want where you could see legs.

I want the full door

that was at denise richards request yeah i'm like i'm not gonna sit next to they build full they so they it took a month um and then we heard back so i thought i'm not gonna i'm not doing the show and then they were like we got we got the toilet sorted they called it the dumpster something I forgot what it was called.

But I said, they said it would just be for me.

And I said, well, where is this toilet going to be? Do we get a tour of the place? I thought the producers would like show us around. And then on TV, it would be the Diaz.
It's not like that. You don't even see the producers.
So I saw, she goes, trust me, you're going to see where the toilet is. And I saw it was like covered with some, I don't know what shrubs or some shit.
Cam Newton is so damn tall. He just leaned over.
He's like, wait a second. There's a toilet in here.
So yeah, but I, so I didn't, I shut my mouth. I didn't say anything.
But apparently after I left, Golden Tate told me they locked the door and I didn't last long. So I was like, that's kind of shitty.
Why didn't they leave that thing unlocked for everyone else? But no one knew that it was. Yeah.
Wow. Once I was out, which was only two days.
Are you watching Traders at all? Yes, I love it. It's so great.
Would you ever do it? Yeah. I bet they would give you whatever toilet you want they asked me actually to do it but it was a couple days after special forces why like the breakfast they asked you to do seat this best this past but i um i couldn't because we started filming our show badass right so um i had to get back to la but uh yeah when i see that that castle that castle with that nice breakfast.
The outfits. What about next season? Would you do it? Yeah, I probably would.
I love the show. Yeah.
It's so good. Who are you rooting for the most on this season? I wish Chrishell didn't get off.
I liked her. She's so sweet.
I know. Right? I know.
I love Dolores. Yeah.
She's great. It's such a shame

she got voted. That was Dorinda.
Oh, Dorinda.

Dolores. Too many D's.

Housewives. The other housewife.

They really do target. Dorinda was great too.

Yeah, they really do target housewives though.

They do. They do.
So you would have to be like

I'm not a housewife. They didn't last season.

I am Denise Richards of

The Wild Things. I am not.

I don't think they'd give a shit.

So you obviously watched the show. Would you do it? I would.
I hope we get a chance. It's tough with the show.
You're kind of busy with this show. Yeah.
But hopefully someday. Do you think you should do it? Oh, yeah.
And do you think he should be a traitor or a faithful? I think he should be a faithful just because he's really not a good liar at all.

Like he's one of those who's like,

I lied to you earlier about,

I just can't,

I can't go on any longer.

Like I didn't take the trash out.

I lied to you.

So I feel like they,

if he was a traitor, there's a lot of like,

it's manipulating and lying.

Usually it's not the trash.

It's like,

did you smoke weed?

I'm like,

yes.

Can't you smell that though?

It's what?

What?

Did you smoke weed?

What?

Huh?

And then he gets up and like, someone's at the door. He's like, I have to go hang up clothes or something.
I have to leave immediately. When you, who gets the remote? I would like to have it.
However, then it's set down and then all of a sudden he takes it and puts it on the other side. I'm like, where the hell is the remote? And then you're looking for it for forever.
Yeah. And he's like, I don't know.
Do y'all get in bed at the same time? Yeah. Okay.
And then. And we like to watch the same stuff.
Yes. Good.
So. Yep.
So do we. Does like he get your water, turn off the lights, lock the doors.
He does the nightly duties. As he should,

right? He brings me coffee in the morning. Oh my god.

Every morning.

I made my own this morning.

I asked you. Not today.

Not today.

Now he's turned into a little barista

and she has a little cappuccino machine.

I offer to make her coffee

and then she's like, no, I got it.

But then I said, actually, you know what?

I would like for you to make me coffee, but he never

I'm not sure. She has a little cappuccino machine.
I offer to make her coffee. And then she's like, no, I got it.
But then I said, actually, you know what?

I would like for you to make me coffee, but he never turned on the...

I did.

No, I...

What happened?

Because there wasn't coffee and I had to make my own.

Why did she have to make her own coffee today?

Because I was also making our daughter breakfast.

Okay, so when your daughter wakes up in the middle of the night,

I'm sure she sleeps through the night, but I'm sure if she wakes up, who gets up with her? Me. Oh, that's nice.
But I enjoy it. Honestly, it's really because if I were to go in there, it would be like time to play.
It's harder to get her back down. Yeah, it's a lot harder.
He's a lot more of like a calmer energy. It's great.
I walk in and I put on one of these robes.

It's like a mini dress.

That's so cute.

The river is like this.

And then we cuddle and then I put her back to sleep.

So she doesn't sleep in your room at all?

She did in the beginning.

We transitioned her to her crib at like four months, four and a half months.

Oh, that's good.

And she loves it.

And she like, I put little stuffed animals in each corner of the crib. And she crib and she like will play how old was she when she started sleeping through the night honestly when we put her in at four months she was like first night i'm good to go real lucky and now sometimes we try to bring her into our room but like now it's too much of a distraction right well there is no like let's fall back asleep everyone it's like it's hard i need to be on top of my mom.
Right. Well, there is no like, let's fall back asleep, everyone.

It's like- It's hard.

I need to be on top of my mom.

And it's amazing how much room they take up

for being so little.

It's crazy.

Right?

It's crazy.

I'll be on like the far corner

and she's really close up next to me

and then Nick is really close.

And I'm like,

there is so much room, Nick, on your side.

You've got to scoot over.

No.

Everyone has got to scoot.

But most nights I have Jeff.

So Steve's in the kennel.

Steve.

Thank you. much room Nick on your side you've got to scoot over.
Everyone has got to scoot. Most nights I have Jeff.
So we Steve's

in the kennel.

Jeff is in the bed.

And wait what kind of dog is Jeff?

I love the names. They're labradoodles.

But Jeff is just

like up next to me and there are

some nights where I'm just sandwiched between

Natalie's body heat and Jeff's body heat

and I'm in pants. And she's in pants.

Do you sleep in pants?

No. I'm in pants.
And she's in pants.

Do you sleep in pants?

No. I sleep

in either my husband's boxers

or I have these Skims

shorts. We love Skims.

I love Skims so much.

Yeah, I don't. Natalie sleeps in pants.

It's because our house is really cold.

I keep the room cold, but I like

thousands of blankets and my husband doesn't like to sleep. This is where we have our disagreements with the bedding.
Because I like really thick, weighted comforters. He likes the soft, shitty ones.
And so like... Paper thin.
Yeah. And I'm like, at that thing, I need to feel like I'm being hugged.
Yeah. That's you're in shorts yeah and i like the room cool but i like to be under a thousand like very thick blankets but we have tim that sleeps with us that's our naked cat and blue your neighbor is our naked cat not our neighbor not tim the neighbor i know when you said steve's in the kennel i said our dog because i thought you'd be's in the kennel But Jeff isn't I think that hurts Steve is naughty Steve is so bad He opens drawers He pulls stuff out In fairness to Steve There's a bit of a Transmissional period Jeff was our first So Jeff kind of got dibs And like And we kettle trained Jeff Right away I love the names too Every time As soon as we got Jeff Everyone's like Kettle trained Kettle trained So we did We kettle trained Jeff I think it's kenn the names too.
Every time, as soon as we got Jeff, everyone's like, kettle trained, kettle trained. So we did.
We kettle trained Jeff. I think it's kennel.
What did I say? Kettle. That's okay.
I know what he was talking about. Kettle chips, you know? Kennel, whatever.
Valentine's, Valentine's, it doesn't matter. You all know what I'm saying.
Anyways, we trained him. And eventually Jeff started sleeping with us.
We loved it. It was great.
It's so nice. Yeah, it was wonderful.
And then we had a child. Well,'s so nice yeah it was it was wonderful and then we had a child well nobody got steve it was like you know we had a good first baby like jeff jeff was a very good like dog like just really well behaved kettle trained well we just kind of like didn't kennel kennel train steve and so steve started getting in bed with us we're having two dogs it was just it got a lot i get had to go back.
So, and then Steve was kind of misbehaving. So we had to go back, kennel train him.
Now he likes the kennel. And honestly, like it's just too many fucking dogs in bed.
And Steve, when we go to bed, he just goes right into his kennel. That's like his bedroom.
That's his bedroom. He's good.
Every once in a while, like he'll, you know, we'll leave, we'll forget to lock the kennel because usually he'll just stay in there. And sometimes he'll come up is the kennel in your room yeah oh that's sweet but steve is much better with river like they're friends oh that's good jeff wants nothing to do with river if she comes near him he's like that's so cute and steve will let her like pats that's so sweet steve and we're.
Yeah. Oh, that's really sweet.
Was Tim around when your girls were younger? No, Tim, he's only two years old. Him and his sister.
Our dogs that most of them have passed away, but they were always good with the girls. We do have Lily.
She's 12 though. So, yeah, she's a lab.
She's getting up there. She loves to sleep in the bed, but she's a lab.
So she had stairs. But then my husband now, he moves the stairs so she can't go up.
He's like, this is too much. With the naked cats.
With the naked cats. And the naked cats, they're like heaters.
Are they? Yeah. And Blue sleeps down by my legs and it's really hot.
And then Tim sleeps on Aaron's under his armpit. So have a full bed yeah it's it gets hot there's a lot going on other couples isn't it do you and aaron share a drink what do you mean like we have a communal cup we drink like at dinner nick and i will make one big stanley have like full water and we there's one straw and.
I mean, I would take a sip out of it if I couldn't find my water. Right.
But you have your own. But we have our own.
But I'm not judging. No, of course.
Yeah. Yeah.
We don't. We are very much in the minority of that.
When you guys are filming season two. Thank you for saying that.
Can we double date? Can we do like a scene? Okay, I'm going to hold you to that.

Actually.

You swear you'll do it?

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, as long as it's fun.

My husband would love to talk to you.

As long as it's fun and we goof around.

Oh, we would.

He's so obsessed with Special Forces.

Why I really did that damn show is because of him.

You want to turn him on.

That's why I did it.

No, I actually thought I wouldn't turn him on because I thought there's no way

I could even do this damn thing.

No, he wanted to live vicariously through me, I think.

Because he would kill it if he did it.

So I know he would love to talk to you about it.

He loved you on the show.

Yeah.

So we'll double date.

We'll do a little Denise and Wild Things cameo.

That would be fun.

I would love that.

We'll just be your friends.

Thank you. Well, we are friends.
Thank you. I know, but I want the world to see us be friends.
You're just like, we're just having dinner with our friends, Nick and Natalie. That would be fun.
Okay. You guys have to make sure.
Yes. Okay, thank you.
Oh my God, absolutely. Sign us up.
We're there. Tell Alex.
So I love that you're a cowboy gear. Do you ever want to move out of LA? Yes.
Where would your dream place go? Somewhere in the South. I want to go to Tennessee.
So I'm from Alabama, lived in Georgia for a while, grew up going to Tennessee a ton. So I think we just have a lot.
Since having River, I feel like we both want to just raise her in a different, a slower life, a slower atmosphere. You know, bigger community, closer to family.
So I do think we're going to end up in the South at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. So does your mom- If we have a house in Tennessee or anywhere in the South at some point, maybe you guys can, you and Erin, come and visit.
We would love that. And we'll do a whole episode of Denise.
We'll do another double dance. Denise goes to the South.
To Alabama. Yeah, we can do it.
Or Georgia or Texas. I don't think I'll move to Alabama.
I need like. He needs a little bit of.
I understand he lives. Humanity.
Yeah. Now you might offend some people that live in Alabama.
No, his mom lives in Alabama. All right, fine.
Listen, it's lovely. I've been there.
It's great. Not for me.
It's not for you to live there. It's not for me to live.
I get it. As someone who grew up there, it is quite boring.
At least the place. I mean, I grew up in a college town.
And if you're like not in college or retired, it's like- I get it. But your mom lives out here now.
No, no, no. My mom's still in Alabama.
She comes to visit like once a month for a week or something.

Yeah. That's so nice.
Yeah. She's been very helpful when it comes to helping us have an adventurous life.
That's good. Would y'all ever move out of LA? Yeah, for sure.
Really? Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever leave LA.
I would always want to have a place. We aspire to be bicoastal.
I think that's good. But if I could do it all over again with kids, I would raise them somewhere else.
I don't think our children would be going to school in the Los Angeles school system. I think that might be good.
Yeah. I think so.
It's changed a little bit over the years here. Just in a short time.
What should we talk about before we let you go? We've already decided you're going to be on second season. Yep.
I'm going to visit you guys in the South. What else could I say about our show with the Housewives? You might see maybe Erika Jean.
Camille's going to be there. Tori, spelling.
Has Tori done your show? Virtually. Oh, virtually.
Okay. She's funny.
She's a hoot. She's a hoot.
Yeah, she's another one with no filter, which I love. Oh my God, this is going to be such a good show.
Thank you. I'm so excited.
And, you know, it's just, we're just crazy, crazy family. I can't wait.
I'm like, oh shit, why are we doing this? March 4th. March 4th.
March 4th. Are you going to watch this back? I had to because I'm a producer.
So I had to see the episodes. Okay.
And when you say producer, are you allowed to have creative input in post-production? You know, I am. But I was so happy how they put everything together.
They did a great job. And each episode is short.
We're doing two episodes back to back. And we premiere after the housewives of beverly will it be dramatic the show yeah it's funny it's more like light-hearted family more funny than a lot of love i can't wait you know it's silly drama between siblings and myself with being parents and that kind of relatable stuff yeah yeah i think that some people might be able to relate to it a little bit i think i can't wait to watch it thank you um it's so great to have you on well thank you for having me you're the best come back can we when you can you come back when your season's airing sure talk about it yeah i would love to yeah i don't want to bother you denise because you know i just don't want to over.
Okay, I'll bother you and say, can I come on? Okay, great. Thank you.
Does that work? Please. Someday, can you come on and just talk like Beverly Hills Hot? He wants you to come talk shit.
Oh, you mean about? The show. Let me catch up watching the season.
I would definitely just love your input because you know these. I've met Kyleyle for like i introduced myself to kyle for 20 seconds i've never met sutton uh i've never met dorit i've never met bo i don't really know you know so like you know sometimes i like that because like when we talk about them you know it's like i don't know you know but like the more we talk about i'd love i'd love to get an accurate like okay so you must be very disappointed and probably like oh fuck she didn't even watch this season and i have so many questions for her so i'm gonna catch up and i'll watch it i didn't have you on to talk i was curious if you were i'm joking but someday i would love that yeah and i'll tell you my thoughts i do think the timing of well i'll i'll watch i'll catch up well denise so good to see you so good to see you.
So good to see you, too. Congratulations on your new show.
Thank you so much. March 4th.
It's out. March 4th.
On Bravo. So Tuesday nights.
Tuesday nights. Following Beverly Hills Housewives.
Beverly Hills Housewives. I know.
What a great lead-in. I know.
I feel very blessed and lucky for that. They must feel very good about this.
I hope so. Well, it could be following Roni.
That wouldn't be good. That's true.
This is going to be so exciting. I'm so excited to watch it.
It's going to be amazing. Thank you.
Congratulations on everything. Thank you so much.
You really crushed Special Forces. We were like, damn, she killed it.
I wasn't on. If you blinked, I was gone.
But you did some crazy hard challenges. How many, do you think, and I don't mean this with any disrespect, but do you think Dorit or any of the current casts of Beverly Hills would jump out of a boat onto a helicopter? I don't.
No. The only one I think that would probably be Erica.
Yeah, Erica might do it. She's got some balls.
Yeah, I could picture Erica doing it. Yeah.
But not many housewives. I'm just saying.
Not many. Not many on Beverly Hills.
That's true. But thank you for saying that.
Always great to see you. You too.
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Oh, well, we love Denise. Always great to catch up with our queen.
Very excited about our show. I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
We're going to have to bring her back with her daughters. I think that'll be a fun dynamic to see them all interact.
Up next, we're talking a little Love is Blind episodes four through six and we have Alex coming up. This relationship between him and Madison was wild.
I'm glad he made the decision he made. I'm curious how he came to that decision.
She seems like a bad breaker-upper. I mean, I feel like that was somebody that was paying attention to the context clues because the way that she was talking about the other guy, Mason, it was just like, oh, you're not a nice person.
When she broke up with Mason, and then, yeah, I don't know, Mason did the whole thing of kind of acting like maybe he didn't mean what he said or whatever. I don't know.
But her body language changed so quickly, and she got really upset because she wanted him to be upset. Yeah.
She wanted him to be hurt and mad. It was definitely not like, I'm glad you have another person.
She wasn't happy for him. I'm like, I want the best for you, and I'm always cheering you on.
She wanted him crushed. Yeah.
You take it back. So you, you're not, you don't, you weren't ever committed to me.
It was like an ego shot. And then when she's talking to Alex and, you know, he's friends with Mason and just saying, well, I just see both sides.
She says, Mason really hurt me. You know, she didn't accuse him of, you know, I assume she means emotionally, means emotionally but that's like such a what do you mean you broke up with him and all he did was this kind of like you know as people do when they're getting broken up with or maybe feel a certain way kind of like maybe just try to take back you know feeling kind of embarrassed opening up and like that turned into her telling someone some random person that this guy hurt her well not only that she also sabotaged mason's other relationship and then is playing the victim in the situation being like this is what you guys signed up for everybody's dating multiple people at this point or like getting down to like their single person but she's taking it out like well if he was going to choose me he didn't have real feelings for you so are you going to break up with him like that was wild to watch no vindictive scare and it did like I feel like it definitely made Meg question everything with Mason which ended up obviously in both of them just going home which was sad yeah because I actually would have liked to see that relationship carry on outside of the pod the only thing I'm mad about Alex and we will obviously ask him how he came to this decision is this like i would have liked to see this relationship explode you're mad at him for tv purposes not for his personal well not for his mental health or his overall well-being yeah for ours but like alex's emotional maturity really fucked us let's bring him up hello how's it going what a beautiful face How are you doing? good how are you i'm good okay i'm feeling really good well we have a lot of questions for you so we're excited to ask you those i we were just talking about your relationship with madison very proud of you because you know i watching this back i'm i don't know if you know this i'm from wisconsin so also Midwest guy watching you in a lot of ways reminded me of like younger me and

that relation this back i don't know if you know this i'm from wisconsin so also a midwest guy watching you in a lot of ways reminded me of like younger me and that relationship reminded me of like the type of people i pursued early in life and so really proud that you seem to pick up on some uh red flags that were demonstrated so you know for your mental health you seem to be you know make a really sound decision for tv purposes we were sad to see this relationship end so quickly. I kind of wanted to see it.
Yeah, you couldn't have stuck it out a little longer for the vacation. I went into this experiment and I said, I'm going to be completely authentic to myself.
And whatever I honestly feel, I'm going to go with it. And I said, there's no pressure to continue on the show if I don't sincerely feel like it's going to work.
And I wanted to be true to myself and not force anything

and be that guy that just goes along with it just to be on TV or have an experience. So I was never

going to do that. You know, I realized that at the end, it wasn't going to work.
So I cut it off.

No hard feelings about it. But you know, it is a shame because our story, I feel like, was very interesting.
And people were disappointed that they couldn't hear more of us. So, you know, it is what it is.
I feel like there could have been more to unpack there. But totally get it.
What were some of the things that you started noticing, you know, that maybe stopped you from thinking this was a relationship you could pursue? Because it really seemed like she had landed on you. She was going back and forth between you and Mason.

What were some of the things that stopped you

from pursuing that relationship?

Well, I guess just to start with,

they don't show 99% of what we talk about in the pods.

And Madison and I really did have a good relationship.

We had a lot of fun in there that they didn't show really.

It was all very, very serious conversations. So we had a really, really solid relationship.
But I think the main concern that was shown was the lack of communication. I think we both just had very different communication styles.
And I was trying to get ahead of that, right? Because I've had issues with that in the past. And I know how important that is and how detrimental to a relationship that can be.
And I've had some really, really tough relationships in the past because of that core issue of not being on the same page with our communication. So I wanted to really take that seriously and try to figure out if that's something that we were on the same page or not.
And, you know, just some things came up in the pods that just showed that we weren't on that same page. And so I had to make the tough decision to cut it off, I think.
Yeah. Was there anything specific that you can share with us that maybe we didn't get to see that, you know, kind of raised some concerns on your end? I think definitely the Mason situation, just how that was handled.

I don't know.

It just didn't really sit right with me. As someone who was bullied, I feel like there was a little bit of bullying going on there with Mason and I just didn't feel like that was rightfully placed on him.
And, you know, there was maybe a little more negativity than what was shown coming from Madison. And I just that's why I kept pushing back and saying, I understand his perspective, you know, and I said that so many times, but it was coming from a place of a response to the negativity.
And I mean, there are just some other really small instances where, you know, I just, we was awkward in the pods because I would say something. She wouldn't respond to it in a way that made sense to me, you know, and that's not saying it was right or wrong.
It just showed that we were very different people. And so, yeah, I don't know if I can come up with specific examples, but yeah.
Well, it's interesting, you know, when I was watching it there, you know, Madison was doing a lot of things that I, for me, demonstrated a lot of red flags. You know, it just seemed like she kind of seemed like a bad breaker upper.
She seemed to really want Mason to like, I felt like she wanted him to be crushed, you know, when she decided to end it with him and she didn't like his response and it seemed almost kind of vengeful. She did say something that maybe kind of empathize with her or at least understand her where she said something to you like it doesn't matter like how much you fight or whatever it just matters kind of like how you were you know it's always like if you guys don't give up and how like you fight through it yeah and it was just like well that makes a lot of sense coming from her because it felt like this person all all she knows is just conflict and fighting.
And it's all about the making up and getting back together, which, you know, when I was 21 was kind of fun, I guess. But like kind of to your point, I imagine that's kind of when you said you had issues with that in the past.
If you've ever been in a relationship like that and you've really tried to like reflect and try to have a healthier relationship going forward, you realize that fighting isn't a good thing. And yeah, all couples fight and conflicts do happen.
But I think there are couples that look to fight. And I think there are people who look to instigate drama only to have the resolution because the resolution makes you feel like you're coming together.
And it really felt like that's the type of relationship that Madison was used to. Is that some of the stuff that you were picking up on? I mean, yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself.
That was very well explained there. I think that is true from what I saw.
It seemed like she was very used to conflict. And so was I in my earlier life.
And I just, I'm at a point now where I can't handle that. And I don't want to fight.
I don't want to have these big, massive blowouts and then make up and everything is fine for a week. And then it's another huge thing.
And I just, I can't do that anymore. And so, yeah, I think maybe, I don't know what else I can say about it because you said it so beautifully.
Do you think watching it back, you kind of like felt really good about your decision or was there any part of you that was like, maybe I like saw that wrong and like seeing it from her perspective or seeing a conversation she had with Mason, like change your mind about anything? I'd say overall, I'm really proud of how I handled everything. I wouldn't change my actions or decisions at all.
I think the way that they maybe edited the last date was maybe not as accurate as it was. So I kind of cringed a little bit at that.
But no, I don't really regret anything. Again, we were just very different people were on different communication styles.
And so it just was not the right relationship. And I was not about to force it or continue it longer than it needed to.
I feel like the mature thing to do was to recognize that it wasn't going to work and then end it right away. And we totally get that.
I'm familiar with how reality TV is made and how you never really get to see a lot of things, but I am curious, you mentioned the last day, what, what specifically do you remember versus what was aired that made you kind of cringe a little bit? It felt like I was really, really pressing the fact that I understood Mason's perspective and which definitely, I mean, I did keep saying that thing or that line over and over. But again, it was in response to negativity that I feel like was not aired.
You know, there was a lot more negativity being said about Mason. And so I was saying, well, I understand his perspective in response to that negativity.
And so and again, I totally understand, you know, her perspective and why she would be negative towards Mason. He did screw up, right? You know, there's no question about it.
He screwed up. He said the wrong thing.
He didn't handle himself in, you know, the way that I know he wanted to. But also you have to understand that I actually knew Mason better than I knew Madison because I spend more time with the guys in the lounge than I do with the women in the pods, right? So Mason and I at that point were fairly close and I knew he was such a genuine good guy.
And I just didn't want to see someone talking so negatively about him when I feel like he didn't deserve it. Yeah.
It was tough after her and Mason broke up, hearing her kind of talk shit.

I think she called him a clown or something like that.

Or he said, you know, it felt a little icky given that she was the one who ultimately

decided she didn't want to be in that relationship, given that she kind of came into that breakup

with all the power.

And I think she left with all the power.

And for her to talk shit about Mason just felt so unnecessary. She also talked shit to his other girl.
Yeah. Yeah.
I was watching that to see her kind of trying to like ruin that relationship as well between Meg and Mason. I just thought it was maybe a little manipulative.
I didn't see that. You know, all I see is this limited perspective of in the pods with one person at a time.
So it was definitely interesting to watch after the fact, after a year since being there. But yeah, it just didn't feel great.
And I think it may be confirmed that I did make the right decision. Have you and Madison talked since the pods? Yes, we have talked.
I mean, when we got out of the pods, we got back to Minneapolis and we did talk for a brief time, I would say. And then the same issues kind of just kept coming up.
And we realized again that we just were communicating differently. And then we decided to go our separate ways.
When was the first time you saw what she looked like? When you got out of the pods, did you look her up online or did you wait to meet her in person?

Basically, the shuttle that took us to the airport, I was sitting in there alone and we got our phone back.

And so I turned it on and there's like hundreds of notifications.

And immediately I went and looked her up on Instagram because obviously, right?

And so I saw her for the first time on Instagram.

And then we met at the airport afterwards. And it was such a crazy experience just to put a face to the voice.
Oh, that's crazy. Um, we, have you ever thought about growing a beard? You know, you're a very handsome guy, but you, you, you kind of crush a beard.
And I say this knowing my husband crushes a beard. My wife hates my face.
And I always thought I was a good looking guy before I met my wife. But a beard, really...
You have a sweet face, Alex. It'll roughen you up.
You know, I'll consider it just because of this. I'll try it out.
And the mock neck turtlenecks, do you feel like those are going to make another round in the mix? This was filmed last year. And honestly, I don't know if I was fully out of my skinny jean phase last year.
So where are you in that skinny jean journey? You know, I think I'm on the other end of it now. Oh, congratulations.

Definitely. You know, I didn't make the best fashion choices.
I'll totally agree. But, you know, I did want to stand out a little bit.
You know, I wanted to wear something that wasn't just like the gray blazer or whatever that I feel like most of the guys were going to wear. so I did make a choice to where the blue turtle

and it was definitely... Listen, blue is definitely your color.
You look great in blue. I think it was more so just like the commit to the turtleneck that there was lack thereof.
Do we know if there's going to be a reunion? I don't know. You're probably not even allowed to say, or even if you'll be there.
But if you do go to, if you, if there is one and you do get invited,

loose fitted suit, beard, maybe a neck tattoo. I'm kidding.

No, that's crazy.

What do you do for work, Alex?

I do commercial real estate.

Oh, nice. Yeah.
Okay.

Were you a fan of the show before you went on?

I really was actually. So I'm a big fan of psychology.
I went to my local community college and I took every single psychology class that they had to offer just because I'm super interested in how people work and think. And this show I think is like one of the most genuine, like psychological experiments.
And it's super fascinating to me. And I've always been interested since season one.
And so I think I was one of the only people that just applied on my own without a producer, like reaching out to me, just because I was so interested in just the application process alone, I saw they were casting in Minneapolis. And I was like, you know, let me see.
I just wanted to see what it was like. And I filled out the questions thinking there's, there's no chance I'm going to get chosen out of tens of thousands of people, you know, and two years later, here we are.
That is crazy. Two years later.
Wow. Are you still friends with anyone from the cast? Yes.
Mason and I are really close still. So we've traveled quite a bit together.
Meg and I are also very close. All the guys, I mean, I consider them all brothers to me at this point.
So I just, I love them so much. They're such great, genuine, unique people.
How is Mason feeling after watching him and Madison's breakup? You know, I can't really speak for him, but I think it was a tough watch for all of us in different points. You know, it's really cringe watching yourself on Netflix.
My heart was racing the whole time. The first time I watched it, every time I'd come on screen, it was like the most painful experience.
And I can only imagine for Mason, you know, with some of the scenes and like, especially some of the sexual scenes. I just, I can't imagine.
I feel for him. Yeah, it'll be fine.
Yeah. It's a, people will forget quickly.
I thought you carried yourself very well. So nothing to be nervous about.
You should be proud of your performance on Netflix. I feel like.
Thank you so much. You know, I really appreciate it.
And I'm pissed you broke up with her too soon, but that selfishly as a fan of the show, I am. That was triggering.
But friend of Fred, you did a great job. Well, thank you very much.
I appreciate it. All right, Alex.
Well, thank you for your time. Best of luck, whatever it is you do.
And maybe we'll see you on a future Netflix show some other time. There's the beach.
We'll see. Yeah.
You never know. Well, thanks so much.

I appreciate this.

And this was awesome.

All right.

Take care, buddy.

All right.

Bye-bye.

Oh, he seems sweet.

So sweet.

Perfect.

Do you think he could do like a too hot to handle?

He's very handsome.

Very sweet.

You definitely see like this kind of like that nerdy kid inside him when he was younger

that he described, you know, but he's, how old is he?

I think he's like 28.

Let me see.

Okay.

So he's like an adult.

This was a year ago. No, he's really cute any other uh i thought um that what was it devon and uh virginia virginia or he ends up with virginia no i know but i thought that i appreciated devon willingness to like open up about his ignorance when him and britney were having that conversation about her being bisexual i i appreciate his vulnerability just because i think you know he he has a viewpoint that i think a lot of people have where they have this idea that if someone's bisexual that somehow like means that they can like switch hit so to speak because he kept asking britney it's just like well i just want someone to be with me and i'm like well if she picks you she will be yeah it's like what's that i'm glad that finally she was like i am monogamous like bisexual bisexuality and polyamory are not the same thing but I think there's a lot of confusion especially in today's climate I don't think it's very easy for someone like Devin to acknowledge ignorant that's what it was it wasn't coming from a place of malice or anything like that but I'm sure his point of view was probably triggering for some people who maybe feel judged for opening up about their sexuality.

Only to have someone change their...

Because it did feel like Devin, his energy changed a little bit.

It did.

If I were Brittany in that situation, it would have made me feel like a very specific type of way having been in that situation before but also at the same time it's not like devin did anything wrong he just didn't know but also like if i was britney i would have probably done the exact same thing she did which was like you know what maybe this isn't the right relationship for me if you know what i mean sure it kind of it it showed that they were just kind of on two different two different pages two different pages two different kind of stages you can't handle a bisexual baddie i will say i am kind of like bored with a lot of these couples you know like i can't like monica and joey i've it's hard to watch that's the though. It's just like the most compelling storylines.
I've been into these first six episodes, but then all of a sudden we got done and I realized all the couples we have left are, but I'm also like for now, because I'm like, remembered like a lot of shit blows up during this like honeymoon stage, finally living with each other, like not being able to separate and seeing their tics and seeing like their antics and how they go about things. We'll see.
Also the cliffhanger of Taylor and Daniel, like that I'm interested in. Yeah, especially because he like allegedly followed her on Instagram or whatever.
And they have that entire conversation where he's like, I remember Instagram handles. Like, do you think we've met before? She's like, do you like, would you follow me? He's like, no.
Like, I remember instagram handles very well and i can see a profile picture within so either he's lying or she's confusing him with someone else right well no there was that weird moment though during that conversation where he was like i shouldn't have said that or like like why did i say that and then she's like no that's not that's not a weird thing to say like where i'm like was it a weird thing to say so yeah it could go both ways i will say his story isn't unbelievable no you know we're talking about minneapolis saint paul like i when i was in my 20s i lived in milwaukee milwaukee is smaller than minneapolis saint paul don't don't get me wrong but they're still relatively smaller cities right and when you are in your 20s early 30s single you're a working professional you got a little money you're like you're there's a there's like a socialite scene you know like when i was in my 20s going out you're going out most fridays and saturday nights to the bars it's not there's not that many bars in these cities to go out to and if you're frequently going out there's like a group of like young professionals and you all kind of know each other and if you don't know every you know you don't know everyone but it's not uncommon for guys and girls in a respective city to like follow people they find attractive you know just to like oh someone shows up on your explorer page algorithms feeding you people you you know that's definitely believable i think what's less believable is the fact that he specifically says he has a great memory with Instagram handles and profile pictures. A lot of people say they are...
Cashel thought she had great vibes and was wrong about that. Like, sometimes we're wrong about how confident we are about things.
I guess it's just it's uber specific to say something that you're, like, very good at memorizing. Memorizing.
Sorry, remembering remembering I like the way you said it actually what? she said she liked the way you said it I like that, you should make that a thing I also say heat cedar you want me to turn your heat cedar on? I think that's a better, that's a way cooler way cooler thing to say remembering should be a new word you go both ways i'm just saying i think some people are like watch that scene and be like oh guilty you know it's like he's he's projecting or kind of telling on himself and maybe it's a wild accusation that's for sure to be like i remembered you we have mutuals and like you followed me and unfollowed me which we don't know exactly what they find out because we haven't seen that yet but but i agree with you i'm like how much time are you spending on this profile to realize that they followed you and unfollowed you? Even if I get like a follow, I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me look at this profile, like gone from my memory.
She could be a numbers psycho online. You know, she could really care about who's following and unfollowing her in general.
I'll say right now I have 277,000 Instagram followers and I'm following 772 people. Couldn't tell you.
And I don't want that to change. Yeah.
Unless I'm catapulted. To next point too, you could meet people, but what are the odds you're following someone and then unfollowing them? But I do think people really do, to my point of saying the numbers thing, I do think people do look at, if they're like, oh, I hit 400 and then it's down to 399, they're gonna recognize that they're gonna see that like i do think it's like for people who don't have when it when it's easy to see the number change i do think people notice that i think it's her get out of jail free card i think if she decides she doesn't like him or he's too short or she finds out he actually did it yeah okay would be creepy but his but his whole line could that not have been because as Alex was saying they have so many conversations they don't include.
The editors put that in specifically. Correct.
So it could just be they're trying to create drama. Also for a season that is lacking.
Yeah. A lot of drama.
A smoking gun can't be a photo in front of a Christmas tree holding a drink. I feel like that is...
It was Chekhov's Instagram post. 85% of people on Instagram have a photo from a Christmas in front of a Christmas tree holding a drink.
But the thing is if he did follow her, it invalidates the whole process of you don't know what I look like because you clearly knew what I looked like and knew everything about me maybe based off of my social media account. Sure.
But again, it's Minneapolis. So the show deciding to do Love is Blind Minneapolis is risking people being familiar with each other.
Again, it's a relatively small city. Yeah, there might be a couple million people there.
But again, when they're casting people in their late 20s, early 30s, you're immediately narrowing it you're, you're immediately, you know, you're immediately narrowing it down.

You're not going to know everyone,

but they are,

they're definitely running the risk.

Like it's a smaller community,

you know?

And while they might,

they're not going to know people,

but like,

I would not be shocked to find that a lot of people got casted.

They all have a lot of mutuals,

you know,

like the degrees of separation,

there's probably not seven,

you know,

there's probably like one or two,

you know?

And there was

a lot of... After they got out of the pods,

it wouldn't be shocking to me.

Yeah, I do want to see what happens

with that storyline come next episode.

I also think Sarah and Ben

could have an interesting... I don't know.

I'm not completely sold on that. Right, because she has

religious parents that aren't accepting of what

Sarah's sister... Her sexuality.

So that's where I'm kind of like, hmm.

I really like the storyline. I'll see where it goes to me like I get it we live in polarizing times I think Sarah needs to be reminded you know that like you know she talks a lot about like I just hope he's willing to learn I just hope he's willing to learn you know it's just like I hope she's also willing to learn she's talking about like oh I'll get together with him as long as he's willing to learn what I believe in.
I think it's also can be important in a relationship to share similar core values. For sure.
For sure. And listen, I'm just saying, but if you go in just deciding like, I need this person to be completely aligned with me or else.
And if they're willing to learn and like subscribe to everything I believe, then we can work out. And if not, we won't.
That's pretty extreme. Now and I, we don't agree with everything.
We're not checking boxes and making sure that you believe this, you believe that. And if we don't believe, then we need to make sure we get on the same page.
Sometimes we have differences and we just choose to not get into it. I do also think she was not going to give him a second chance after he was like, listen, I'm not really like as educated in this whole stuff as you are until I think maybe it was Brittany or one of the other women was like, well, if he says he's willing to learn, then that's like, you know, he's willing to learn.
Maybe you should give him another shot. So it's like she was ready to like pull the plug just because he wasn't immediately like, hell yeah, we're on the same wavelength.
He was just like, oh, I don't really, I'm not there quite yet. That's a pretty extreme point of view.
And then my question to her is this like, well, what if he is willing to learn, but you get to a point where he's just like not where you're at. I think that like non-negotiables, no matter what they sound like to anybody else, if that's something that you stick to or that's something that's important to you, you shouldn't have to sacrifice that either just because of an opportunity.
Listen, we now live in a time where more and more people are having a harder time connecting and getting together. We as human beings desire connection.
We desire companionship, whether it's your family, a group of friends, whatever. We need connection.
We desire romance. And I think we should embrace people prioritizing family and prioritizing connections in front of you.
If her and Ben were compatible on a lot of things that when it comes down to two people spending a lot of quality time together and getting along and communicating effectively about day-to-day decisions and what they want for themselves, that's a shame that some people would say no to an otherwise great potential relationship with a lot of points of compatibility. There are people who otherwise would leave a relationship that would really work out, and there's a lot of love and connection there, but convince themselves that this is a non-negotiable, and they leave something that could otherwise have a lot of potential.
Well, we shall see. Yeah.
I guess we'll watch it on Twitter watch it that's why that's why i'm interested to see what happens with them where's the vacation at do we know somewhere in cancun or did i make that up usually mexico uh so we talk a little beverly hills housewives before we get to cruchelle i don't know why we opened up in uh georgia again i mean 10 episodes in georgia did catch the B-roll? We didn't talk about it last week

where it's Garcelle and Kyle

listening in on Sutton.

That was so funny.

This is where they said,

this is how we know Kyle's a good actress

because they're listening behind the door.

She runs up the stairs

and then she quickly walks out

as if she was just walking down

the stores naturally.

And she's like, oh my God, hey.

Yeah, that's that Halloween.

They flashed back to it.

That's that Halloween training.

Yeah.

She knows how to hide from Michael Myers.

Yeah.

I get that maybe technically

it's Sutton's house,

but it sure seemed like an invasion

Thank you. yeah that's that Halloween that's that Halloween training yeah she knows how to hide from Michael Myers yeah I get that like maybe technically it's Sutton's house but it sure seemed like an invasion of Beverly Hills housewives into Reba's house like kind of like gossiping and like talking about Reba while Reba was there felt a little I said it from the start like I love Sutton's family but I every time they bring in the mothers I'm like do we need to yeah to? I'm like, let them rest, please.
We know we were talking last week about when Bo's confronted to read or whatever and was talking about all that PK was allegedly scooping up lawyers. Well, I received a DM from a listener.
Meredith Marks. I received a DM.
Just a listener. And this listener informed me.
I don't know if they have a legal background, but it made sense, that apparently, I don't know if this is a nationwide thing or an LA thing or a state-to-state thing, but a common move divorcees will make is that apparently that when you are needing a lawyer, you might shop around for lawyers. So you would do a little meeting, like five-minute meeting, 30-minute meeting, of like talk about your case, you know.
And if you do that, like you've got dibs, so to speak. So if you go around town and book a bunch of like meetings with all the top lawyers and you get there quickly, that means they can't represent your spouse.
Because they've had a meeting with you? Even if you don't hire them. Wow.
So you basically like, you know, like, hey, I'm getting a divorce. My wife and I are separated.
I'm not sure. Like, I might need a lawyer.
So you book a bunch of meetings with all like the top 10 law firms in Beverly Hills. And then Dorit comes in and they're like, sorry, we already met with your husband.
And even if PK hires none of them or one of them, then like, you know. That's maniacal.
Apparently, apparently this is what, this is what the, I don't know that's accurate, but it makes sense based on what Bo's was saying. I've heard the opposite, but that doesn't make sense.
I like these meetings and just from experience with my parents and people that have parents that are divorced, like these meetings, like you pay for these meetings, like it could be short or whatever, but it costs to do that. And then it's whoever is going to be paying the most to have you on retainer for the divorce.
Interesting. Because a lot of these lawyers also can mediate, I believe.
Well, I once again, I'm waiting for the time I disagree with Boz. Yeah.
I want to be her friend. She's on the money.
I wish Sutton would have said, I've been sitting in your living room for 45 minutes, and then you're going to say something about my drinking. Like, yeah, I'm out of here like i wish she would have called out how long she'd been sitting there maybe she wasn't aware maybe that was like just editing doing a great job but waiting alone for 45 minutes in someone's house like at a party at an event is crazy yeah well but would you just sit there and wait would you reach out out to your friend? Hey, I'm down here.

Or you want me to come up?

Clearly, they're not the best of friends or even that close.

But their camera's there.

There's people in the house.

I'd go upstairs and knock on that door.

It felt a little performative of Sutton to do what she did.

But maybe I'm alone there. If I walked into a house and it was a jump house with little kids, I didn't know.
And I was like, where am I first of all? And there's no one in the house. You do not see Doreen.
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You're like, hello, hello. No one's saying anything and so you just sit there on your phone and then 45 minutes pass.
Like, I'm sorry. I am leaving.
And she comes down and ignores you. I'd be like, okay.
I mean, yeah. I thought everyone was off their rocker this episode except for both.
Like, I mean, Dorit, I don't know. What was that whole moment when she's like, I'm going to keep this bag? Like what? That was the craziest moment ever.
The montage of photos on the center table when you first entered during a party when you're actively in the middle of a divorce. And then the bag thing.
I was like, what is happening? And I didn't even really agree with Dorit about the whole like bitch comment.

And like, it really felt like Dorit was instigating this whole thing.

The whole bag thing was her instigating Sutton.

I did think Sutton was a bit performative with like sitting there alone.

But like, clearly that is rude for Dorit to do.

What else was she going to do?

Go and chat with like the kids going down the inflatable slide?

Like, no, she did what anyone would do when you walk somewhere and you're uncomfortable. You sit on your phone.
That's exactly what she did. Well then, fine.
Dorit was off her rocker there. I still don't think anything warrants calling somebody a bitch in their house in the middle of a party, though.
No, you're right, but I think Sutton was wrong for that, and then it's just like, Sutton's like, I'm gonna leave. It's like, okay, leave.
Go. Don't sit at her front door and have your posse come to console you and then take up half the party so that when bows comes and be like y'all being rude and they were being rude and if you son if you want to go go but like you don't need to have garcelle and kyle and this whole little posse talk you know talking about whether you should stay or should go it becomes rude.
If that's the case, like if this were me and you were insulting my drinking or like I'm already ready to go, the Uber is getting called before I even like retort back to you. Yeah.
It's like the idea that you're like walking in. You just got mad at Kyle a couple of episodes ago from storming out and walking out of arguments.
You're doing the exact same thing, but you didn't even go out the front door. You sat in their foyer and was like, everybody, this is just really hard on me.
This is not your party. Grab your posse.
Go grab a drink down the street. I think Garcelle hates bows.
I think Garcelle was used to kind of getting away with whatever she wanted to say and calling out Dorit for some of the stupid things she said. And Dorit was always on on an island and even if some of the things Dorit said

were a little ignorant,

I don't think it ever came from a place of malice,

but I think Garcelle was in a position

to really give her the business

any time Dorit stepped in it

and now she has Boz to defend Dorit

and have her back

and Boz is more than capable

of like, doesn't matter that she's new,

doesn't matter that she can stand,

Boz can have everyone disagree with her and she'll be calm, cool, and collected. And it's driving Garcelle fucking insane.
100%. And Erica called it out perfectly too.
She was like, okay, so wait, we have a problem when Bo's does this for Dorit, but you are always speaking for Sutton. It does make me so mad though that they don't say that stuff in person, like in the moment.
I'm I get that you filmed this a couple months later you're just like put yourself back in that scenario but it's like you couldn't have been sitting there and be like Garcelle you speak for Sutton constantly and like now you have a problem. You know like I just wish sometimes they would say these things.
I imagine they're being reminded by producers of some of the hypocrisy their castmates have said. Oh yeah you're right she does do that shit and then kyle like when she was going at it with bows and like at painting herself as some victim of a like is bows first of all kyle it's your show basically right you're the you're the queen bee you're the og like you are this bright light of this ensemble cast boz is new doesn't really you know doesn't not friends with anyone and you're accusing her of not welcoming you kyle that's seems a bit out of touch and then to bring up pk while sitting next to dorit yeah as evidence is to like boz's mistake while like so you should have blocked him like that was she was on mars and then to look at dorit and be like oh i'm talking to boz i'm not she's like you said my husband's name like what fuck like that was so that was that was wild behavior that was she called boz judge judy that was crazy for calling you out twice boz's calls it like she sees it.
And I love it when Bo, what did Bo say?

She doesn't need to be led.

Basically, she's not a follower.

Yeah.

Right?

And that's so true.

She's not.

And it drives Kyle and Garcelle

and Sutton crazy

because they don't want to think,

they want to accuse Bo

of riding Dorit

because picking a different size

when the truth is, and we all see it, is Bo truly just calls it like she sees it she's no bullshit she's got a great sense of like character she's I mean it's and she's given all of the women a fair shot like and spent time with them individually she just I think Dorit was the most forthcoming with like what's going on in her life and opening up and made it very easy for Bo to open up. But outside of that, she's given all of the other women a chance.
And yet she doesn't hold grudges. No, not at all.
And that's what she said. She's like, I'm calling out what I see right in front of me because she doesn't have preconceived notions.
She knows nothing about you women outside of what you're showing her. It's just like to see Garcelle, Kyle and Sutton just kind of like glitch because like they just don't know what to do with someone who's so calm and capable of standing up to them and they're kind of their bullshit and they're kind of manipulation of the shit they do and things don't go their way is some of the best television on Beverly Hills Housewives I've watched.
It's awesome. I just loved Garcelle being like, she's a little sensitive right now after the coffee and vodka.
And I was like, Garcelle. But also like not healthy.
I love both of y'all. But also, wasn't Kyle the one who led that charge? Why aren't you mad at Kyle about that? 100%.
Also, I haven't heard the word douche in I don't know how long. She took a second to say it too.
I was like, that's the word we chose. It was like her brain froze and she was like, douche.
Douche. Dorit awesome.
Dorit was really on one, though. Like, it was, I didn't really understand.
She kind of did have, like, a crazy twitch in her eye this episode. I don't know.
I just feel like this is why, like, Boze is, like, kind of protective of her is that it's just, like, we all do know that she's going through so much and she's just showing up every day. And even seeing the state that her house was in and Kyle being like, oh, she's like OCD clean.

And the fact that things are in boxes and it's messy that I'm like, she's got a lot going on on her plate, let alone raising her kids and trying to be OK. That it's like to have to come into this group with these women.
It's nice to have somebody. I just wish to read instead of maybe, you know, she's not thinking with a clear head.
She's going through it. That all makes total sense.
Like she definitely deserves grace. but I just wish she would have,

instead of like trying to steal Sutton's handbag

and acting like she had like rights to it,

just... she's going through it and that all makes total sense.
Like she definitely deserves grace but I just wish she would have instead of like

trying to steal Sutton's handbag

and acting like she had like rights to it

just be like

hey listen last time I saw you

you really hurt my feelings

because you really dismissed me

like when I was just being vulnerable

talking about like

my terrible divorce

and how it's affecting my fucking kids

and you just like

you didn't give a fuck

to say that. She did say sorry in the moment.
No, she didn't. Son said, we have to go.
Sorry. We have to go.
Great callback, Justin. That is true.
Listen, I also will say I have pulled that joke before of being like, oh my God, that's a huge Chanel. Like, do you want me to take it off your hands and I can take it home? But the way that Dorit was like straight stone cold, would not release her grip on that bag, was like, almost left her house with it, was crazy.
And the awkwardness, everyone was just like, it's also a $29,500 bag. So it's like, it's a $30,000 bag.
The mini Kelly is $30,000? The minilly that i'm looking at is 29 the same one

29 500 or else the pink one's 32 000 but even then i love that she's like your insults and everything equate to yeah guys can i be honest that looks like something basically being like i have more money than you oh that's not gonna go well i just have an issue when people spend $30,000 on something that's kind of ugly.

It's an investment.

It's an investment.

Art is subjective, Mary. I guess.
Are you mad at the people that bought the banana duct taped at the Sotheby's or do you understand that as art? Fashion is art to some people. I understand.
I would not spend $30,000 on the banana. However, I do think it's funny and so i'd love a good bit i was gonna say the banana i think is in the millions the bit oh yeah see a bit not worth the millions i like i support spending money on a bit but as far as and let's say if i had thirty thousand dollars to spend on a bag i'll spend it on a bag but that's the point.
I know. I was getting $300,000 a month.

I know, I just saw that bag and I was like,

it's kind of boring. We'll see what happens

and what context it's aired in, but

when you start flexing your cash...

I'd go Jennifer Tilly with it

and make it dumb. Either way, but same thing.

It's just a competition

of who married smarter.

Yeah. Marry smarter, not

harder. I guess, but

you know, something's wealth

does come from her husband.

Well, we'll she has a right to say it's her money. She obviously has more money than all of us, but.
He's like farting out 300 grand a month. I was going to say, if you could just give that away a month, how much are you making a month? Yeah, he's fine.
I mean, I'm just saying, but it's not the flex. You're trying to hurt someone's feelings.
Let's be clear. She was trying to hurt Dorit when saying this.
Meanwhile, again, while someone's going through divorce, which must be a very scary time, especially if you are someone in Dorit's position, because it's like, Sutton doesn't have a carrying world. She's just $30,000 bag.
Like, I don't know. Erica Jane doesn't live in the same house she used to.
You know what I'm saying? That's a shift. We've been critical of Erica, but like what she has reinvented herself and to adjust and to go from a mansion of opulence and wealth to like, it's, you know, say what you want and fine, maybe we don't have sympathy for people with money or whatever.
And she, you know, obviously Erica still has a very charmed life, but like that is an emotional shift and that is hard to do. And some people make some very terrible and drastic decisions when they lose all their money or when their life drastically changed.
God forbid, like people like take like, take their own life for crazy shit like that when tragedy like that happens. And so, for Dorit to be going through something like this and not really knowing what her future looks like and Sutton to be flexing her husband's cash in her face is a choice.
We'll see how the scene airs. But I do wish Sutton and Dorit were, like, united on this front.
I've, like, Sutton's experienced it before. It was nice to see Carl and Dorit have a moment at the end.
That did feel weird though, didn't it? The way Dorit was answering, what did she say? She was like, what do you mean? We have to live. She just kept repeating it in like a weird like.
Yeah, that was weird. I just wish, I mean, Sutton's, I know you love her, and she has a lot of great qualities, but she can be a real big hypocrite.
Aren't we all? Some more than others. Some more than others.
All right. Is it time to get to Chrishell? Let's do it.
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You've been avoiding the show for a while. I know, because last time there were all these headlines and I was like, oh my God, what did I say? What did you say? I don't remember.
I was like, to be fair, they picked up like Nick's water fast. Is this your first time in the studio? In this one, yes.
in the one i'm gonna be on my best behavior what did you say that got i couldn't i don't remember i don't know to be honest with you i just remember being scared of doing your podcast for a while you definitely were i was like you gotta come on you're like for sure but i love when i run into you it's not that it was just you know no i know i know anyways It when I run into you. It's not that.

It was just,

you know.

No,

I know.

I know.

Anyways,

it doesn't matter.

It's good to have you back,

Rochelle.

Hello.

It's weird not having headphones on.

I'm like,

are we even rolling?

Are we even here?

Yeah,

are we rolling?

It's like a good a forest fall.

We are rolling.

Okay.

How have you been?

So good to have you back.

I'm glad that you're no longer afraid to come on.

I'm sorry.

No,

it's good to be back. I love seeing you.
It you know podcasts can be scary like yeah yeah but i mean not really i don't know they can be but like you know you're a reality tv star which what was that i read something you posted it like basically who who did that article was it for it was a really nice piece you posted oh vanity Fair. This is the one I just did.
Amazing. I think they credited you for basically all of Netflix reality TV success.
I didn't pay them to say that, but it was very nice. I was like, I don't know.
You were the first. It was very sweet.
What do you think is the recipe to your success? I don't think it, to be honest with you, it's by accident that it's all kind of worked out because I didn't pursue reality TV. So I've had people come up to me and be like, what should I do? But I don't think the same thing would work because I was always kind of fighting against it until I finally accepted it and then like kind of dived in.
So because I thought Selling Sunset was going to be like a reality show about real estate and me like pursuing a new career. I fully thought it was a different show.
So I think it worked because no one really knew what it was and it was completely something different. And so then we, you know, and now of course I know what it is, but yeah, like, I don't know what the formula is.
Get a bunch of unsuspecting naive people together. I think they're talking about real estate, but then share pieces of your life.
We talked about this the first time you came on the show when you were on Dancing with the Stars, but like, and you probably, Chrishell and I were supposed to do a movie together. Oh no, I did not know that.
No, I was supposed to play her crazy boyfriend from the past or something. It was like a lifetime.
You did this movie. Did you end up doing that movie? No, I didn't.
You didn't.

It was supposed to film in Buffalo, New York or something?

No, wait, I did do that one.

Did you do that one?

Oh my gosh.

Yes, sorry.

Yes, you're right.

Yes, I forget the actor's name.

How did that turn out?

It's called Staged Killer.

And you can still watch it on Amazon.

Really?

Yes, or Hulu or one of those.

I think it's Amazon.

I got offered the role and I didn't know,

this was long before Selling Sunset. It was like, so-and-so's why.
I was like, oh, cool. She seems nice, whatever.
And then I just- You would have been the crazy person. Yeah, I was going to be the bad.
Are you fine doing that? It looked like a lot of fun. I just felt like maybe this wasn't like, it just didn't feel like it was for me.
Yeah. You know? You really missed out on the blockbuster, Nick.
I should go back. What's it called again? Stage killer.
Everyone's seen it. I'm kidding.
Can I see this? Is it like a movie poster? Are you in the movie poster? I think so. Oh, look at that.
Who's the guy? That would have been you right there. That would have been me.
I can see a little resemblance. I'm sure, you know, I feel like this is one of those, you know how like sometimes it's almost, it feels like it's rude in like the actor world to like talk about roles you turned down because it's somehow disrespectful to the person who ended up playing this role.
So I don't want to disrespect. I don't think that was disrespectful.
He was a lovely guy. Turns out we ended up being friends anyways.
There you go. You know? And now we're in the reality tv space i know you think you'll ever act again yeah actually um so i did a little cameo in a holiday movie this last uh holiday season for netflix called hot frosty it was very small however and as chrishell styles or no i was just playing like a mom with this um cute little girl we were walking into the diner it was very quick you blink you miss it however i've had some really great conversations since then and we are working on doing something in a better bigger capacity um which would be amazing so we just have to get the schedules do you like the like the the holiday christmas genre i do i love holiday christmas genre i also love like horror okay so those oddly enough are so opposites but i love both and i'm pursuing both oh fun um so yeah sometimes the stuff i have like one that came across was right when we were in the thick of selling sunset so i couldn't do it but it have been so fun.
So it's just kind of trying to find the things that work with schedules. Speaking of Selling Sunset, where are we in the franchise? Are you guys filming or is there anything going on? Are you allowed to say anything? Yeah, we're filming season nine currently.
It'll be out later this year. Yeah.
I know this isn't a fun answer. Nine crazy does it come out more than once a year has it? no I mean it has in the past I haven't been doing this show for that long it has in the past come out more than once a year but I think we're kind of like on a it switches up I don't know you're on a yearly basis now so yes we're filming season nine currently it will be out later this year last season there was some toxicity going on in the group a little bit was that fair to say really set that one season apart from all the other but yeah are there any storylines that again i don't know what you can and cannot talk about but is there reconciliation at all with any of the women? Or are there, like, are we still, are there more fights? Where, like, you've been, where do you stand with everyone right now? Because there was that whole, like, honestly, we remember, what was it? It was Chelsea.
No, no, no. Really, we have, actually, we have a mutual enemy.
We do. Oh my God.
I mean, I'm joking when I say say enemy Enemy for wasting my goddamn motherfucking time Oh shit Your arch nemesis Nicole? Yes, thank you She was supposed to come on And it was like her first season on And I don't know, she was caught up in whatever drama You were going on That she started, but yes go ahead. Either way, you didn't want to come on,

so we were going to have Nicole.

And she flaked twice, last minute.

Oh, that is not surprising.

And it was all this high maintenance,

and she mentioned me back and forth,

and it was all this.

It's because if you can't keep your story straight,

imagine the worst place to go. The one thing I have to say you're really good at like if if a story started to be convoluted you would have been asking exactly so i actually i wouldn't come on the show if you're lying exactly and so i am sad she didn't come because it would have been very entertaining to watch you easily deconstruct the lies but that's why she didn't show up.
Is she on this season? A little bit.

Okay.

Do we have any new cast members?

You know, with the show, I think they're always like trying to see what works and what doesn't.

So it is sad for some people because they're like, oh my gosh, a new cast member.

But that doesn't mean that on our show.

They just like let people come in.

They see how it works.

So I never personally know, even though we filmed with some people who's gonna make the show right yeah you think this will be the last season i always think this is gonna be the last season when they call you up and you're like really again i'm like wow i i'm i'm it's a huge honor it's like you know it's it's flattering but but i But yes, I'm not going to lie. Like I'm like, wow.
It's a huge honor. It's flattering.
But yes, I'm not going to lie. Nine seasons is a lot for a Netflix show.
Just for a reality show in general. Yeah.
I'm not expecting an answer. It's even rude for asking.
But how much do y'all make on there? I mean, I'm curious. I mean, they're selling houses.
I've never thought of that before. Oh, they don't get, I'll give you a little nugget of information.
They don't get a cut of our commission when we sell houses. So when people are always like, you don't really sell houses, right? I'm like, no, I'm not saying everyone does.
They can choose to or not. But I'm just saying it is amazing to be on a show about doing something where they actual, they can't get a cut of our commissions of the.
It's some of your houses. I know.
So I'm just saying, why wouldn't you want to really use it for that? Hell yeah. You know, purpose.
Like, why would you purposely not want to make the most money you could while you're doing it? The only reason that question came to mind, because, well, one, most reality TV shows don't last nine seasons. And if they do, it's not with the same cast.
You guys have had some turnover. But a lot of you remain the same.
And so that's just, I have to be around for nine seasons. You want me back or not? I did, yes.
Hats off to you. Thank you.
Thank you. Truly.
I'm wearing better shoes than I was in here the first time I did your podcast. Are the bottoms red? Not today, but only because my foot is not narrow enough to pull those off.
And what are those called again? Louboutins. Christian Louboutins, not Louis Vuitton.
See, I thought, I learned this, I think, in the past 12 months that they're not Louis Vuitton. In the past month.
Past month. Oh.
Okay. They kept going like, oh, the Louis Vuittons.
I can understand that it is similar. And I remember.
And now what do they look like visually different, the spelling? L-O-U-B-I-T-A-N. And then it's Louis Vuitton, which is first and last name.
Your wife will be a kid either. And does Louis Vuitton sell pumps? Yes.
Yes. And what are those? Louis Vuitton's known for bags.
Christian Louis Vuitton known for shoes. Okay.
But Louis Vuitton does also carry shoes. And vice versa.
And vice versa. And in case you didn't hear me, your wife will accept either.
Gotcha. Doing my job.
Wow. That's great work right there.
Well done. Thank you.
Traders. So much fun.
So much fun. Except for your vibes.
I know. Your vibes.
I know. Let's just get out of the way i know i agree it's all fun and games who cares although some people watch the show forget it's a game very they take it very seriously and are you referring to your castmates or the fans well i i just think you know i get it the show's so fun to watch but i just mean like there is a fandom out there that takes it very, very seriously.
But I do think, you know, in the moment when we're filming it, everyone is the same. We're taking it very seriously.
You're hoping once you leave the castle, you can kind of have some fun with it because it is a game at the end of the day. But yes, I can look back at, you know, that was the worst moment of me on The Traitors was, you know, picking up the wrong vibes from nikki and i to this moment that's hilarious i i know i was she was homesick so i picked up on that but if i could change one thing i do think that mortally hurt my confidence in the game going forward because then i was so afraid to be wrong because i did want to speak up at one point and i decided not to because what was that moment the last round table I was at I had already talked to a couple people about Danielle and of course now watching the show I'm like I picked the worst people I could have tried talking to about that but in the at the round table I was it was I was like literally like should I say something should I say something because it was about Rob and Brittany.
And I really didn't feel comfortable voting for either. And I'm just kicking myself.
Of course, afterwards, coulda, woulda, shoulda. Was Nikki pissed? I don't think she was pissed.
I think in the moment, she would obviously be hurt. And I completely get that.
But then she said once she got out of the castle, she was so excited to see her son. And we're friends.
I can see know it's i can see how it's easy i mean shit like i'm a competitive person i don't know if you are either but like i've gotten mad losing monopoly so like i can imagine yeah you know a friend i know voting you off again it's still a game like you have to you know at the end of the day like you there are no teams and i think that was the thing where it felt again, at the time, if you put your brain where my brain was at the time. So Bob the drag queen just left and was banished.
And then I picked up that Nikki was admittedly homesick because she had a small boy at home at the time. So it's like, that makes sense.
But I tied the two together. Right.
Bob's left left it must be so much harder for her to do it without him because they were so close and then i picked up that then that's why when i saw her make that face anyway let's let's just i was that was a shitty play i picked up on the wrong thing but listen there's a lot of times people do the same thing but they don't get as much heat about it. I mean, like Dylan's been wrong.
Exactly. But he's but Dylan is like this hot, very likable guy.
It's a lot easier to like listen. It's just the way the world is.
Nikki did call in and she said that she wasn't upset with you. And she said that you called her as soon as you got out of the castle and apologized and whatnot.
But she said very, very sweet things about you friendship i love her i love nikki i think she's such a badass that was obviously i will never hear the end of it and happily the first person to constantly say like god i messed that one up it was hard for me to watch where do you and tom sandoval stand today you have you guys um we haven't that's a feud i really love to be honest it's yeah i know it does make for entertaining television and is it real or are you guys just you just give him a hard time i mean to be honest with you i think that in the game it was real because i felt like he like tried to get me out of the castle from a personal i had an off-camera conversation with him because i wasn't sure if he knew about the connection or not. And then when we were on camera and right as soon as we left, he started telling everyone I was a traitor.
So I thought he used a moment where we're not supposed to talk about game. I told him that and he used it against me in the game.
So he was kind of like, you kind of went up to him and you were like, listen, just I'm friends with Ariana. Like like i just yeah transparently just kind of let you know we're not even like i mean i love her but we're not it's not like we're you know calling each other best friends or anything like that kind of came up in conversation i mean when i when i was on special forces with tom i you know i didn't know i hadn't really met him and and i was like hey i know you are i have a show i've talked a lot of shit know, because I just I didn't want to be like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I didn't want to like, yeah, you know, I kind of try to explain, you know, we have a show. I didn't really know you.
You know, I don't know you, but like I look forward to getting to know you and yada, yada. But it's a completely different show.
Like you're supposed to unite and come together. And Trader's literally is not supposed to trust anyone.
because i knew that i didn't actually like do anything for him to like have picked up on it just felt like oh okay he took this one second conversation i had off camera where the one thing is you can't speak game so i thought oh i really didn't think that was going to factor into anything but anyway when you say off like so when you're talking off camera you say the rules are you can't really talk about what's going on in the show right you can talk about like i don't know and at the time the traders hadn't even been sports or something yeah and the traders hadn't even been chosen yet so it was a little more lax about you know you know we're literally i think micing up or something i don't even know like it wasn't it really wasn't supposed to be, like, something that I thought went any further than that. I thought it was more like, hey, like, I hope this isn't awkward because I wasn't sure if he knew that or not.
And then again. So, long story short, in the castle, then, I felt like he made it personal.
So, as soon as now we're out of the castle, it's like, you know, it is what it is. I don't really care.
I mean, did you get to know him at all?

I don't.

When you say get to know him, Tom only speaks about himself.

Yeah.

So, yes, I heard him speak about himself a lot.

Being in the same room with him.

Okay.

Was he always sweaty?

In the castle, which was very cold.

Yes.

We got a chance to interview Sam a couple weeks ago i i've kind of fell in love with him uh i you know i i don't know what i think he's you know i said to him i think everyone knows who are and no one knows who you are because like we all know him as like the ex of you know britney this massive icon we only knew what we thought or heard or assumed you know and i was really impressed by, you know, just who he was and chatting with him. But like, what was your opinion? I mean, what, when you first met him, were you kind of like me where it's just like, who is this guy? And then you find out who he is and you kind of wonder, you know, there's so many questions.
Like, what was that like for you? Yeah, I think it was the same thing. I think that there was, you know, there's a group of girls, if you can tell from watching the show, like it really did feel like, you know, there's a lot of girls, girls in that castle.
So we were a little standoffish with Sam at first, you know, because I was part of the free Britney movement. But that being said, you also don't know like anything about what, know this is all just like headline stuff you don't

know what's real what isn't and then the the when I actually worked a challenge with him we were moving our heads up and down the thing he helped me in that moment and was just very lovely and was selfless and not not trying to get his up there and just like was helping other people so that was the first time I clocked like oh that was really sweet that was really lovely so he kind of kept to himself

but we didn't

I think Ayan was very funny before So that was the first time I clocked like, oh, that was really sweet. That was really lovely.
So he kind of kept to himself.

But we didn't, you know, I think Ayan was very funny before she left.

She was like trying to get the tea and kept asking him questions.

But yeah.

That's such a shame she got voted off so early.

I know.

I know she's so funny.

But yeah, I don't, I mean, it's not like we, you know, we spend a lot of time together

outside of what it is.

So you like what you learn, but. But he seemed, you know, love, very lovely, but also just kind of reserved.
There was a, when, when Danielle killed you or exiled you or whatever, she said to you, no one was going to vote you off. Basically saying like, everyone knows you're a faithful.
Did you agree with her? And what do you think she meant by that? I'm really fascinated. And I think I, who did I ask? I think I asked Rob this too, because there seems to be some people where like everyone, including the traitors, is just like, yeah, they're just, we know they're a faithful, which is interesting because how do you know anyone's anything? If you don't know who the traitors are, then how do you know who's definitely a faithful? And I am curious what you think she meant by that and if you agreed.
I understand the critique because I think going into it, your goal is to prove that you're a faithful, but you almost can't overdo it because then you'll be up for murder. So again, I did it too late, but I should have implemented my plan a night before where I was going to let it leak that I actually was an actor and then act like I didn't want people to know that so that it kind of like made a couple of flags go up.
Because basically, if you're seen as a full faithful, you're, you know, you almost have to constantly be gauging your your game. So it's it's just one of those things.
Yes, I do think I was too faithful. I feel like everybody kind of knew that I was, and that's not a good thing in that game.
I get the problem of almost being too faithful, but how did, because I could picture, I don't know, if I'm on that show with you, let's say I was on this season with you, I would have been like, if I'm thinking going in, who would they pick to be a traitor? You could definitely, you would be on the top of my list like well you you know you're obviously a lovely nice person right like easy to be around people enjoy your company you're popular but you're not you're smart and you're you're you're very like sophisticated and that's very sweet i don't think i came across this that smart this season they cut a couple of times i'm like come on guys can you leave that in i was definitely but i know you enough to know that you're smart and i know that like you but but i guess and i don't know what everyone else thought about you but clearly whatever you did you you were like everyone's like yeah well she's definitely a faithful and i'm just curious what what made what what did you do to make everyone even so much so believe that you're almost too faithful i think because because in that very beginning, I had Tony and Tom kind of saying my name.

And so from the start, I really felt like out the gate, I had to prove myself as a faithful.

So I think what I did was, now there was one player that was going around swearing on our

grandkids.

I didn't do that.

I don't think that makes for great gameplay. They cut it out.
Dang it. Yeah.
Because it's like. Sierra said, yeah.
Yes. But I did, you know.
That's crazy, by the way. Just give.
If you're. I think it's a couple things.
But I think if it's you're an open person. and then also you're backing it up with like your real feelings because sometimes people would give false feelings but you're feeling like they're not giving you the truth even if they are faithful like there were times i can look back at conversations and be like i can tell they were being guarded with me but i just like tried not to have a guard up with anyone i should have done a little more because i was was a little too faithful.
Like during the, you're playing the game. You almost like- Yeah, like I feel like if you're guarded and people are sensing that you're guarded, you can be a guarded faithful.
But I, because I was so from the very beginning trying to prove that I was a faithful, I went unguarded because I was like, oh my God, I'm going to get, I don't want to go first like and so i just went fully unguarded and i think in doing that it really made my case but then it made it harder to last past a certain point wow did you do any prep going into the show like did you play a lot of uh what's the game mafia yeah kazia was talking about um i did watch like the other seasons i love the show but other than that i didn't really do any you didn't do any like research or strategy strategizing did rob blow your mind when he was like like just how calculated i love rob i had just watched deal or no deal island i haven't seen his survivor seasons um but i knew that he was going to be a player i didn't want to play against. So I was like, listen, if we get to a certain point and I need to think about this harder, I know he's not someone you can trust.
But right now, I don't want to play against him. And I liked feeling like, you know, I was in, I don't know, like, to be honest with you, it feels like a little bit of a nerd, like playing with Rob because I was like, felt like it was like fun to.
I don't know. That's where I'm not a good gamer.
Did you ever suspect you was a traitor? For sure. I mean, obviously you have to.
But that last day when we were doing bug challenge, it was the longest we're out of the castle and we're together in that car. Me, Sierra, Dolores and Rob else is away from rob imagine he's the kind of player the closer proximity you are to him the harder it would be to you know to not believe him or it just kind of felt like oh like none think about it sierra and dolores none of them voted for him that day no so i'm just saying it like a little separation, I would have been able to be like, okay.
I feel like if you can figure out who the traitors are and not tell anyone and get close to the traitors, that's got to be the move. I know.
And don't tell the traitors, just keep it to yourself and make the traitors feel like you believe in them. Yeah.
Because then they will see you as an ally. And I think to be honest with you i was going to so use my real personality which is i want to believe rob is is a faithful and i really do like him and then i felt like you know if for any reason i end up at the end of course i will have to reevaluate this relationship but i think right now like let's not look to let's not go pulling up every single surface let's just leave it i don't know so i really it's hard to say it's not like i knew for sure i didn't but i thought you know he's rob so there's a possibility and where did you shop before you went like did you come fully ready to go do they provide anything no nothing no i just kind of like credit to the credit to the cast all really look like- I mean, Rob has a backward hat, but- They give you like a mood board.
Really? Yeah. And then I just went shopping.
Okay. So you did all of your styling yourself? Yes.
Good for you. Even the red dress you went home with? Oh, actually, I take that back.
So I brought a red, they said, bring a red dress, bring something black. And so.
And so I brought a red dress, but I didn't know it was like, obviously didn't know it was to go outside and do bugs in. And it was really cold that day.
So they gave me the red dress because mine was like, it's hard to explain, but it was a crochet. It was a very selling sunset red dress.
Bugs were going everywhere. It was.
Yes. Ready to go home or like really sad FOMO after you got killed? When you're in it, you're sad.
You know, it's the same with Dancing with the Stars. Like you're so in it.
You're so like in this bubble. And then the second you're actually out of it, you're like, oh, okay, I can get back to my life.
I want to have my phone. I had a dramatic death, which I loved.
So it's so in the moment, you really are sad, but then. Yeah, you did have have a dramatic death you're right about dancing with the stars too that that's even worse because if you like it's it's still on and it's live and you see them all performing you're like i was there last week yeah but it's that same bubble feeling where it's like you are so immersed and in it where you really are just like thinking of everything you wish you'd done and oh my god why didn't i bring that up and anyway um but then cut to 24 hours later you're like oh have fun you guys uh that's amazing how's g so good actually um they're a little recovering from yesterday they were a little sick but good other than that stuff going around um what was going through your mind when you turned around and saw Danielle and Carolyn? Did you suspect either? I know you said you kind of suspected Danielle earlier.
Yes, I did. But was Carolyn kind of a surprise for you? Complete surprise.
I mean, real shock at that moment. Everyone seems to say that.
Like, no one suspects her at all. Which tells me, like, I don't know.
Or I think that she's actually playing, like, a really good game. Well, clearly, yeah.
But Frozen Power, 100%. What was she doing? So, I think because in the castle, you know, she was coming across so vulnerable to the game.
Like, there was a couple times where I remember once she said at the roundtable, like, that she kind of spoke up that day that she had that thing with Danielle and like, wasn't feeling like, you know, people were listening to her. I went to find her after just to kind of, you know, give her a hug and make sure she was okay.
And I couldn't find her. And then we're later in a holding thing before we go.
And I just, you know, that's when we're not supposed to talk. And I was like, oh, I was looking for you.
I hope you're okay. And then she just said, like, now I know she was a traitor and she was being pulled for interview.
And I'm an idiot. But anyway, in the moment, I just wanted to make sure she was all right.
And then she just said, oh, I told them I need breaks. Like, I can't mentally take all of this.
Like, I need breaks. So that sat in my head of like, you know, her being like a vulnerable player is a lot and now of course that was part of the game she was gaming me right in that moment that I was trying to make sure she was okay is there any like it is a game right but the game is to be deceitful in line like that was smart did it make does it make you feel any kind of way about realizing these people so successfully lied to you?

I think that it's the name of the game.

We've signed up for it.

Yes, can some gameplay be a little like eye roll worthy?

Like, you know, like personally, I think swearing on certain things or doing certain things.

But that being said, I've also seen the gamers game on, you know, things like Survivor or whatever, that one famous storyline about his grandma so it's like it is what's that oh uh there's this famous survivor player that like told everyone about his grandma dying and got all and it was all a lie and so and it was like a big johnny fairplay that's his name or they do like big amulets to like swear that they have immunity it's like it's it's, it's, you know, like I'm. I think the non-gamers don't respect it as much because it's like, oh my God, can someone check on those grandkids? Yeah.
Yeah. It's, I swear on anything.
And do they make, does, is anyone doing shit like that? Swear on your kids? Like are people out there telling you to do that? In the house, Danielle started that with a group of us.

And it did kind of get her further in the game than because you know they're with the non-gamers she was basically saying would you swear on your kids yeah and she had us go around in a circle they of course this is all cut but um and i think to the non-gamers that stuck with us because it's like, you know, like a Dolores and me, you know. And so when it was like started to get too far from my brain, Dolores was one of the ones I talked to.
But that really, you know, Dolores was like, nobody would do that. Yeah.
You know. And so anyway.
But because they cut the whole storyline, they end up cutting my moments where I feel like I'm on to something because they cut the whole storyline so when i really am talking to people about danielle that's the main thing we're talking about so the whole thing is cut anyway i'm hoping delora steps up for you but i think it will come out at the reunion who knows what they'll cover but i know um carolyn said as well she's bringing it up so when just out of curiosity though when, when Danielle did that, did people play along with her or people were like, no, fuck that. I'm not doing that.
We all did. It was a group of four of us.
We all went around. We swore on what was the most important to us.
And yeah, you'll never see it because they cut it. But it did happen.
Was this earlier in the game? Yeah yeah so with that did your like red flags go up to with the um the challenge that she did where she wasn't putting her own photo up for a shield yes yes i was sitting next to sierra and actually even in that episode it says okay there's red flag there are flags going up in the red so they gave me one ounce but yes i even sierra and i had a moment where we're both like, what is going on right now? So from that moment, and then the moment, you know, as I'm kind of consoling her when Derek doesn't come to breakfast, I'm like, you know, I'm from soap. So, you know, there was no tears and the fake acting.
I was just like, oh, this isn't doesn't seem right to me. So anyway, I'm just mad.
I can only be mad at myself because I really wanted to bring it up at that round table. And I was just chicken.
I think, you know, when you're not a gamer, you double question everything. And I, yeah, I wasn't like a super bold player.
And it hinders you. You have to just go for it.
And you might get killed for it. And you got to try it.
Okay. What's, I don't know if the term's easier or harder to show up for selling sunset or traders i think it's way easier to show up for traders because it's a game right so even like in these moments where i'm saying you know but it's a conversation and some people may respect it and some people may not but at the end of the day everyone signed up for a game right and it's kind of like the content it's lighter it yeah you're not like it is very, I'm assuming it's only Sunday.
You guys have to show up and figure out what the fuck. It's like people sometimes coming after your family in real life.
Yeah. That's crazy.
I'm sure the housewives would say the same thing where it's like, you know, in the castle, it's like, well, all's fair and, you know, whatever. You might have murdered me but when I see you next time, I'm not going to be mad about it.
Yes, like we may rib each other. And no one's like accusing other people of like crazy rumors or anything like that.
Right, where it's like, oh, okay, they said this, like let me try and think of something. I talked to a vlogger and they said, blah.
So traitors is, I like because it's like under the guise of like, even the people that like I didn't have, you know, like when you said Tom Sandoval, it i see him it's like not like i i'm like oh my god i hate you i don't actually care that much you don't do you know yeah yeah yeah as excelling sunset gets real personal it has gotten very personal where it's like oh this person can't be in the room at the same time as this person is there anyone you can't be in the room with on selling sunset um with our current cast, no. Yay! And that's excluding Nicole? There's just been some shakeups.
If you could nominate one of your Selling Sunset cast members to go on Traders, who would you recommend? Do you say Emma? No, actually, Emma would hate it. Because Emma would hate being away from home, off her phone, immersed in in this thing it would have to be somebody that's like down to kind of get in there and and there's a lot of things that aren't glamorous about the no jason oh my god absolutely not the worst of the worst you don't think he'd be good at it because it's super unglamorous like the food you have to eat the hours you have to film are you Are you kidding me? He's a diva.
Oh my God. He'd be like, call the helicopter.
Where's my agent? Are the food socks? It's not great at times. It's British food.
It's sometimes not great. I'm going to go with, because you have to have a little bit of scrappiness.
I'm going to go with Chelsea. I feel like Chelsea would be able to be really good gaming, but also like she's got a good poker face she's also unsuspecting and the british accent but she yeah i don't know if she'd be okay with leaving her kids though so it's hard because some just more like game playing i'm just curious who you think would do well yeah i think i i think that'd be my answer chelsea i agree Just because because some of the people, anyone that needs a pampered this and this and this, there's no hair and makeup.
You have to film all day. I'm out.
All crazy hours. No sleep.
No sleep. It's freezing.
You can't. Yeah.
No sleep. I mean, you sleep, but it's very like you can't yeah sleep i mean you sleep but it's very like especially even if you're a traitor it's worse but it's like i mean we would get home at like i think one time it was like 1 30 in the morning and then you know they're coming to pick you up at 8 30 in the morning and you have to be ready like as a girl you have to wake up early and get ready So it was just, and your brain is reeling.
So it's also hard to fall asleep because you're just like, imagine those nights of what you watched. Oh, yeah, yeah.
I could see that. Going over like, who was that weird? Am I going to call them out tomorrow? Yeah, how do you just like- Who voted for that person? Wait, did he vote for her? You know what I mean? It's a lot.
I would need to bring a lot of edibles. Are you going to do the show? You know, they asked season one and they've always, like, they checked in.
I just, like, it's been too hard to do. Someday I hope I get the opportunity.
Like, I think it would be a lot of fun. And like, you know, like having friends who have gone out and had a good time.
Yeah, I think someday, like, you know, we're doing so much here, but, you know, someday I hope I get the chance but it's it's fun it's like you know like having friends who have gone out and had a good time yeah i think someday like you know we're doing so much here but yeah you know someday i hope i get the chance but it's it's fun it's like you know obviously logistically there are some elements to it that it's like oh you know this isn't you know like going to do you know late night talk show and everything is like pampered no no no you're you're i did special forces chrishell i'm's right. And then The Bachelor, which is even worse.
Oh, you're going to be fine. I don't think I would find it to be that much a change.
I forgot about, how could I forget about Special Forces? Do you know who was in the castle talking about this non-stop? Tom. Tom Sandvall.
It was either his band or that show. So actually, I know all about it.
Was he really proud of it? I mean, I'm proud of that experience.

Oh, no.

Yeah, I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying it was like,

you would literally walk in a room and you'd be talking about that show and I would just be like, okay, I can't hear about this one more time.

You're not going to go see Tom Messandoval in the extras anytime soon?

Also, you just have so little time to talk about game

and you'd walk in a room and he's talking about his band

or he's talking about Special Forces and you're just like, my god how's the real estate market out there um it's uh okay it's getting better the real you know the interest rates are high it's a weird time because of the fires and everything so i want to be positive about it but i also have to be realistic so it's it's getting in a better place anything else you want to talk about was this hard easy did you have fun wait is that it i was i i don't know i just was expecting listen that's great for me what were you expecting i don't know i never know what to expect and now i feel like we have to ask her more questions so this season was still like sunset no i'm just kidding but you're in love you're happy everything's great i'm so in love so happy um how is married life married life is good so good g has to turn their album in at the end of next week so just been working like crazy long hours but i am excited for the world to see you know the new songs maybe there was some really lovely ones in there um but also just like the best work they've ever done so five years from now what would be your dream come true like describe your life um and i want specifics i'm like i'm happy and healthy let's assume let's assume we're happy and healthy you asked for this um okay five years from now i don't know see why why did i shut why Why couldn't I shut my mouth and been like five years from now. I don't know.
See, why couldn't I shut my mouth? Now you're stuck here. Five years from now.
I mean, I have to be open to different possibilities because I know that I will be with G and we'll be happy and we'll have to make whatever happens work. But, you know, we've had some difficulties.
We obviously are trying to have a family. Oh, wonderful.
I didn't know that. Yes.
so you know it's we've had some difficulties um we obviously are trying to have a family wonderful i didn't know that yes so you know it's just you know it's not the easiest so we've just you know so i don't know so i guess the reason why i'm not giving specifics is because in my position if it doesn't happen the way i want it to happen i don't want it to look like a failure in any way like well i'll get my mind around the new conceiving is always just a very emotional time and scary time regardless of who you are and do you can i ask some questions around that sure i may not answer them but you can ask whatever you want what's the process that you guys are going through like so basically we went through the process of you know having um a donor you know with eggs and all of that stuff. And it just didn't work out.
And for a few reasons. And so then going forward and figuring out, you know, what we have to do, it's a whole thing, but basically like a lot of things have to go right.
And I am of a certain age, you guys, I don't know if you know this. I don't know um 23 exactly oh my god what was that viral moment where that girl's like saying i've i know myself to be 26 exactly i know that they're saying so anyway um so anyway without getting too in the weeds it's just it's a process and i think that i'm trying to and stay open to, it may look different than what I'm, we're trying for currently.

Because if time ends up being like, oh, too late, then we'll do something else.

And we'll, so something else will be the.

Either way, it'll be perfect.

So I, yeah, I'm just the poster child for, you know, go with, try it, but try and always embrace it and be happy with what you're given.

Thank you. And I wish luck seems like I'm wishing you nothing but luck.
No, listen, I'll take it. We need it.
I'll take some luck. Ben, I certainly know that can be an emotional time.
So, you know, just, you know, be there for each other, obviously. I'm sure, obviously, you guys are.
But anything else? I appreciate that. No, now we're really good, Nick.
I can go deeper. I mean, like, what's your trauma? Like, let's unpack it, Michelle.
What's your trauma, Nick? Let's get a juicy segment of Nick. You know the one where, like, that's it? Like, as if I didn't do my job.
Oh, I'm sorry. I never meant to do that.
But can we get a juicy moment from you? A juicy segment from you? What do you mean? What's your trauma? Let's unpack it. Do you want me to leave? No.
I liked when you guys went into your latest fight the other day. I thought that that was...
You know, Natalie and I, we've been sharing more anecdotal stories about our our love life i was absolutely right though i know the internet completely disagreed with me but i think it's healthy when you can like get to a place where you know you're almost like laughing about how ridiculous it is because it helps you in those moments then not take it so personally you're a great person to ask because i do feel like a lot of mine and natalie like discussion and more subsequently like the opinions of the Internet. I feel like it was more gender based.
Okay. You know, guy job versus girl job.
Yeah. And I feel like with you and G, who's doing what? Because like you guys don't have to conform to some of the gender stereotypes that maybe your, you know, heterosexual relationships do.
Yeah. Who's getting the water? And to be honest with you, we don't have, so that's interesting you bring that up, because it's not like one person takes on the, you know, the quote unquote guy's role and not, like, because I'm a very nurturing person, so I love to take care of G, but then also like it switches because G can be that way for me.
I think it depends on who has 100% and who doesn't. So g's really tired had a long day i'm doing everything i can to like go overboard and try and nurture and everything and then i come home from work and i'm like these crazy bitches or something and g's like okay what can i get you what i think it's just no realizing who's who has more to give at the time and switching roles okay but if you're in the bed first if I was in the bed first, G would go get it for me.
But I would ask very nicely. 100%.
And yes. For the record, I want to say that there are several nights each week where I am in bed and then have to get out of bed to do whatever.
So the in-bed first rule does not apply to members of our family. Just wanted to stay true to the story.
That's all.

I am traumatized by that. I'm bad at this because I saw and I could see both sides

because I actually can understand if it was like, yeah, so I'm probably not a good person.

We're just a vessel for all relationships out there to feel seen.

But I do think it was nice that you guys kind of went into it because this ends up being like what people end up, like the little things like that. Really? Relatable.
Chrishell, I always love seeing you. That was so lovely.
Nice to have you. I just want this to be harmless for you so then next time and I, next time, and I'm like, come back.
And you're just like, oh. I know.
You should be on twice a year. Oh, that's very sweet.
What are we going to talk about? I don't know. You're a busy bee.
You're a fascinating person. This is always good.
We can also, are you watching any TV? Are you doing any, like, are you? I haven't, you know what? I haven't been watching. I'm normally like a bachelor, bachelorette person.
Are you doing severance at all? Yes. Oh my God.
Where are you? I'm caught up. You're caught up? Yeah.
I'm caught up. But yeah, I feel like at the last couple seasons, I fell behind and then I haven't caught up.
So I think I, because I didn't see the bachelorette or this bachelor. No, there's no more Bachelorette.
I think it was because I was filming The Traitors

and then it was

when the first Bachelorette

aired is when

we were filming that

and now I'm behind

so I'm just,

I don't know.

It's a good season.

I will say.

I can always catch up.

It's actually more fun

if you can just binge it

all at once.

So maybe I'll do that one.

All right.

But yeah,

no, I have nothing to,

unless you're going to do

a severance episode,

Nick, I doubt.

Will you be watching White Lotus? We watch, are you kidding? I love White Lotus. Did you watch the first episode? Yes, I have nothing to Unless you're going to do a severance episode, Nick Will you be watching White Lotus?

Are you kidding?

Did you watch the first episode?

I thought the first episode was a little slow Oh my god, can we talk about how let down I am by the music?

Yes

Are you talking about the theme song?

Yes

How can you go from that song to that song?

It's still in my head

What is the new song?

No one knows

It's just like elevator music

I understand it's still in my head what's it what is the new song no one knows no false block no one knows it's just like elevator music i i understand it's episode one you got all these things mature you get the story you know right but i was like i was like but you know what but it's shit up i know but it's just how it works with every city because they're all new characters so that part didn't bother me but i was a little like oh what all. Got a couple.
But think about it. Even season one, season two, they all start slow.
Cause you, you're trying to get to know who they all are. I feel like we usually start with like a dead body in a, there was a dead body.
Oh, I guess we did. I guess we did in a body of water.
I take that back. Yeah, I was there.
What is the second floating dead body to start the season? So, Mike. Oh, come on.
I think it's going to be everyone says this is they've they've hyped this up someone's seen the whole thing and already said that no but i i i don't know critics i don't know someone okay the internet you know maybe it's mike white himself but like but parker posey can do anything i love parker posey i love i love the people in the. I've just, you know, but I've heard this is like.
Yes. I'm going to get past the song.
I feel like I'm going to let, I love the show, so. We'll forgive.
Yes. The music.
So unmemorable for me. Well, stick with it because I feel like it's just the first episode.
No, we're going to stick with it. I don't know why I'm saying it like a Chrishell we love you thanks for coming Love you guys

Alright well thanks for listening and thank you to all our guests

Denise Richards, Alex from Love is Blind

and Chrishell Staus

we love them all

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next week so be sure to tune in

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