E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day

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Speaker 3 what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick i hope you all had a very wonderful valentine's day weekend always had to emphasize the ends yeah he doesn't struggle with that i have to think of the letter n

Speaker 3 i mean i i would say for 30-some years, I had no idea.

Speaker 1 What was going on the first?

Speaker 3 Just thought it was that.

Speaker 3 I just said Valentine's.

Speaker 1 But your name is Nick. Why do you have to think about the N?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're not like. Hey, Ron, I'm Nick.
I would say

Speaker 3 for 30 plus years, I just really didn't know it was Valentine's.

Speaker 3 Mick vial. Really? Why do I give a fuck how it?

Speaker 3 First of all, we all know I can't spell. Oh, my God.
Yeah, I'm triggered. Yeah, I come down here.

Speaker 1 What did you get for Valentine's Day?

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. I had this lovely Valentine's Day package little basket that my wife wife got me.
What was in the basket? Oh my God, so many things.

Speaker 3 I had this really nice sweater shirt that Natalie asked, you know, when Natalie says,

Speaker 3 Do you want to open a gift early? That means I should ask to open a gift early because she wanted me to wear it for our interview.

Speaker 3 We went to New York over the weekend to interview our going deeper guest this week, Alessia Cara. Very excited about that.
Very excited about that. Alessia had a new album drop on Valentine's Day.

Speaker 3 Her album, Love and Hyperbole, is out. It's an amazing album.
Anyways, we got to sit down with her. Alessia, obviously, she won a Grammy back in like 2017-ish, something around that.

Speaker 3 She's had a very great career. She's been kind of quiet lately and kind of like under the radar.

Speaker 1 She went to Little MIA.

Speaker 3 Yeah, took a little break from music. Anyway, she's back better than ever, and we got to sit down with her.
So that is our going deeper on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 But anyways, we were in New York and I got to wear my Valentine's Day gift. Now I got flowers when we got back from New York.
Yeah, when we got back from New York. Yeah, I got flowers.

Speaker 1 Honestly, it was better than... We had a wonderful Valentine's Day.
Now, what's funny, though, is that...

Speaker 3 I was so busy, I haven't even even had time to post a Valentine's Day I love you message to my wife.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. You haven't let the internet fucking know we love each other?

Speaker 3 I haven't known. I haven't let them know.
Wait, the question is.

Speaker 3 I'm too busy being in love with you. You're going to forget.

Speaker 1 The question is, did you ask Natalie to be your Valentine?

Speaker 3 I think at some point I kind of like joked about it. Yeah.
Joke? Is that a thing? I think it's a joking thing. Is that a thing? I guess Connor asked me.

Speaker 1 Will you be mine? Yeah, Connor asked me like five days before Valentine's Day over cookies.

Speaker 3 No, what a romance. Romantic.
Well, isn't isn't that the point of being married?

Speaker 1 No, because you know what?

Speaker 3 You have to go in there on a Tuesday before Valentine's Day and be like, I hope she says yes.

Speaker 1 No, it's funny because Nick was like, let's find, we went shopping after our interview, and Nick's like, let's find you like a Valentine's Day gift.

Speaker 3 Well, first we stopped at our friends, and then after we stopped at their friends, we were walking on the street and we saw Meg Ryan just walking. We didn't see Meg Ryan.
It was very cool.

Speaker 3 It was a very cool celebrity site.

Speaker 1 And then after that, Nick was like, let's find you about. And I'm like, okay.
So we're like, he's like, no, not like like that,

Speaker 3 not anything like that. So, then anything that I

Speaker 1 anything I looked at, he's like, Do you want that for Valentine's Day? Do you want, what about um, that light bulb?

Speaker 3 Do you want that for Valentine's Day? Do you want that for Valentine's Day? That's my shirt. Do you want that for Valentine's Day?

Speaker 1 I'm like, I'm just touching it, I'm just seeing if it's soft. He's like, But do you want it for Valentine's Day?

Speaker 1 But anytime you sit in front of the luxury window, he was like, Yeah, let's go, nope, keep it moving.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 we were supposed to go to Peter Luger for um dinner Valentine's Day night, which is the place that Nick rejected me at, which I said this on my Instagram story.

Speaker 1 And I got so many people being like, what? He rejected you? What? Are you serious? Tell this story. And I'm like, we've definitely told it at nauseum.

Speaker 3 But like, we got new fans, you know? For sure. You know that.
For sure.

Speaker 1 But I think that place in particular, because we both remember it so vividly of like us sitting down at this restaurant in New York City.

Speaker 3 And we were finishing dinner and Natalie was like, so no, I really think we should date.

Speaker 1 And I was like, absolutely not. No, that's when I said I was in love with you.

Speaker 3 I was falling in love with you i think i'm starting to fall in love with you she was starting the process she was on her first one-on-one first one-on-one i was starting to fall what did you say that's great can we get some more bread he said we'll get the check yeah it was like no i definitely zigged and zagged i pulled a west

Speaker 1 how do you how do you get out of this yeah he definitely was zigging and zagging and so it kind of is um a triggering place for me so that's not true we were like you know what it's triggering now because she doesn't like the way the steak's prepared it's only because we went there when I was pregnant as like, let's go again to the place where you rejected me for fun memory's sake.

Speaker 1 And the steak was a little too staking.

Speaker 1 And my pregnancy self was like, I see the cow. I see it mooing at me, so I won't be able to eat that.

Speaker 1 I just love like all the steakhouses and restaurants in New York City that you just keep going back to this one being like, we will rewrite this memory and you will love this place.

Speaker 1 Honestly, I wish we would have gone there so you could have asked me to be your Valentine's and I could have said no.

Speaker 2 That would have been really cool.

Speaker 3 That would have been really cool. Well, instead, we got a rezzo at an Italian restaurant near our hotel.
We went to Serafina, lovely, amazing.

Speaker 1 I was like, Let's just walk down there, it's fine, it's quick, it's a block down.

Speaker 3 But Nellie and I like to walk the streets of New York and shop, and we decided to go to one of our favorite pizza places that's near a hotel that we often stay at that we didn't stay at this time.

Speaker 3 And so, I'm curious, how trashy is this? Maybe this could be our daily dilemma.

Speaker 3 Are you

Speaker 3 kidding me?

Speaker 3 I'm losing my mind.

Speaker 3 It was New York. It was cold.
It was Valentine's Day. Like, it's cold.
And we got a couple slices at this little like corner pizza place. So there's not a lot of space.
There's no chairs.

Speaker 3 They have a little bar area against the windows. So we got the pizzas to go.
And we took them across the street to the hotel that we were not staying at.

Speaker 1 But we have before.

Speaker 3 We have before, several times, so much so that I'm pretty sure the Maitreye or whatever recognized us. Concierge recognized us.
And we pretended to be patrons at the hotel.

Speaker 3 We ate the pizza inside the lobby while we were warm.

Speaker 1 And I kept being like, well, we'll just finish our pizza. Then we'll go up to our room.

Speaker 1 We'll go up to our room after we finish this pizza. In case anyone's listening.
And then as we were walking out, I could feel the concierge staring at us.

Speaker 1 And I was like, well, let's just go back outside and then we'll go back up to our room.

Speaker 1 You're completely in the right. Thank you.
You're economizing the heat.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Yeah.
Thank you. It felt adventurous.
Yeah. And a little trashy.

Speaker 1 I've like definitely snuck into a hotel lobby to like pee before and when in a city.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's okay. Yeah.
That's okay.

Speaker 1 I feel a lot like opening up this big pizza box right in front of the elevator. I'm like dipping it in ranch, like having a full-on sit-down restaurant moment.

Speaker 1 And people are like taking their luggage upstairs. It definitely was

Speaker 1 work smarter, not harder.

Speaker 3 And then we left. Yeah.
No one said anything.

Speaker 1 And no one said anything because I was very vocal about them we'd go upstairs.

Speaker 3 Well, we have a great show lined up for you. Momentarily, our friend, friend of show, Kazzie David is joining us.

Speaker 3 She has a a new movie out called i'll love you forever that she wrote and directed uh it's a great movie we watched it over the weekend if if you love a good breakup film or just like a very self-aware like relationship movie that kind of like pokes holes makes kind of fun of yourself and i mean make no mistake it is a little triggering and dark

Speaker 3 very dark humor it's a dark comedy if you've been in a kind of a love-bombing type of relationship it might be a little triggering for you it also has a lot of humor uh about like just some of the mistakes that we make in relationships.

Speaker 3 Anyways, it's really good. Kazzy will be with us.
She's also a huge Traders fan, so she'll be talking to some Traders with us as well. Plus, we have, who do we got? We got Dave from Love is Blind.

Speaker 3 We got Parisa with us, recently exiled from Bachelor Mansion.

Speaker 3 She's even after he brought her some rocks. He brought her some rocks and it's like, get the fuck out.
It was a parting gift. She's wild.
Yeah. What about those rocks you gave me?

Speaker 1 I want to make you feel special and kick your ass out.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I liked her. I was bummed.
She was one of my favorites. Yeah, after the chubby bunny thing, I was was like, Chubby Bunny was really cute.
And a girl who loves her cat, I can always relate to.

Speaker 3 No, she was adorable.

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Speaker 3 And then enjoy. Can we argue about Paige and Craig before Kazza gets here?

Speaker 3 What does there argue about? Well, Leia,

Speaker 3 Leia has.

Speaker 1 Leo wants to argue.

Speaker 3 Leia thinks Craig's milking it. I agree with Leo.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 3 You're going to agree with whatever Paige. I think he was making it.
Okay, that's fair. As long as you point that out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm Team Page with no reason to back it up. Okay.

Speaker 4 I have reasons.

Speaker 3 Anyways, for those of you people who don't know, at the end of last week, Sierra from Summerhouse, also Traders, went on Watch What Happens Lies with Lindsey Hubbard to promote Summerhouse.

Speaker 3 And on that appearance, Sierra, I don't know if she doubled, like she had pages back, which. Sierra having pages back, I love that.
I love that she's loyal to her friend. She's a ride or die.

Speaker 3 She's a girl's girl. She just, she's there to have her friends back.
So that much I do get. But she kind of not she doubled down on the Craig is supposed to have Paige's back.

Speaker 3 He's supposed to deny these rumors about Paige. And she claimed that he's milking it.
And then we watch the Summerhouse premiere.

Speaker 3 And at the end of that, which giving like a season preview, they pick up cameras. We don't know when they pick up cameras, but clearly after they broke up and these rumors started circulating.

Speaker 3 And you have Paige making an accusation on camera. I'm not sure to exactly who, claiming

Speaker 3 that she caught Craig texting two bitches that she said at some point during their relationship and then we watch Summerhouse and then Sierra's still mad at West for their situationship which I think that just makes Sierra a really good friend because she's she's going out of her way to have pages back at the risk of kind of

Speaker 1 like being a hypocrite I mean the women of Summerhouse very much band together and it's nice I don't know

Speaker 1 you think she's a hypocrite because she's saying Craig is milking it while it's been a year of her and West and she's kind of still like upset about the situation Yeah, and she's like, she had an on-camera romance, a situationship, if you will.

Speaker 3 Definitely some hurt feelings. She seems to be really upset that Wes ultimately decided he didn't like her.

Speaker 3 Not that Wes didn't do things he, that maybe he could have been more sensitive and more caring. We understand that, but like, you know.

Speaker 1 But I think we can acknowledge that we only see a little bit of their relationship and we have no idea what he was telling her about.

Speaker 3 Same as Paige and Craig, but I, I, what we do know is that Craig and Paige dated for three years and Wes and Sierra never were even boyfriend and girlfriend.

Speaker 3 And if you're going to accuse Craig of milking a breakup then you know it comes across a bit hypocritical that you're still like upset about a situationship that didn't didn't go the way you wanted from the show it seemed like sierra was more mad about wes's press tour

Speaker 3 is what it is what it seemed like to me on the show yeah doing the whole like the new york times like yeah but what was she really mad at she was mad at like like that wes saying and he said this on our show as well that he didn't really see a future with her i think she was mad that he said that publicly and it seemed like he said it publicly but he didn't say it to her.

Speaker 3 I mean, fine. Again, she has hurt feelings.
She has the right to have hurt feelings, but Craig has hurt feelings.

Speaker 5 She said Paige didn't.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying Paige and Sierra operate like when they're upset and when they're hurt, everyone's supposed to, you know, they're justified to have their feelings. And

Speaker 3 according to them,

Speaker 3 when it's the other way around, they're milking it.

Speaker 3 How is not that a bit hypocritical?

Speaker 5 So what Sierra said was, she said, Paige didn't cheat on Craig and he knows that. And regardless of whether or not he wants to say, we all know what he's doing.

Speaker 5 You know, the Bravo fans love to run with things. And by him not saying anything, he knows exactly what he's doing.
To me, that was clear on his Watch What Happens live appearance.

Speaker 5 He was asked point blank,

Speaker 5 did she cheat? And he basically said, I don't want to talk about, like, I don't want to speak to that. I'm not the one who said it.
I was broken up with, et cetera.

Speaker 5 He could have just said, no, she didn't cheat.

Speaker 1 But he did say, I'm not here to defend Reddit rumors. Like, I'm not going on Reddit and like fighting back with anonymous trolls for someone who broke up with me.

Speaker 1 He's like, I put a statement out on Instagram. I said, like, we're good.
I'm a little blindsided. I'm heartbroken, but like, give her love and peace and privacy and give me love and peace and privacy.

Speaker 1 And like, he wasn't like, she really betrayed me and she really, like, he didn't feed into anything that was going around. He really said, like, give us our, our space and like be kind to each other.

Speaker 5 I don't know. I mean, I think that you also have Austin going on Watch What Happens Live.
And, you know, he wasn't spreading the rumor, but he wasn't shutting it down either.

Speaker 5 And I think that, you know, then Paige, they pick up cameras and she says that he was texting two bitches.

Speaker 1 Do you think that that gives her the right to like expose that he allegedly was texting two other bitches during their relationship? Because he didn't. I'm just using Paige's words.

Speaker 1 Because he didn't defend these rumors against her.

Speaker 5 I think that that might have been too far, but I also like, I think think that she's defending herself at this point. Like she's on the defense.

Speaker 3 Just out of curiosity, why does Paige get Craig's benefit of the doubt? And I only ask this because like my perception of this breakup is that Paige at some point thought she outgrew Craig.

Speaker 3 And this is evidenced by like comments that she's made or just like comments she's liked online, you know, like this insinuation that Paige is kind of like wants more, someone who's more like in line with her or certainly more compatible with her.

Speaker 3 And that's fine. We outgrow people.
We move on. We fall out of love.
That's totally fine.

Speaker 3 But usually when that happens, and I'm not accusing Paige of anything, but sometimes you have a bit of a wondering eye.

Speaker 3 When you feel like you've outgrown a relationship, you kind of start looking around. And again, like, that's just human nature.
Again, that's not meaning she did anything wrong.

Speaker 3 That's just like a human thing. And then they break up at some point.
And then some point recently after, she seems to be start dating some guy.

Speaker 3 Now, there's rumors going around about that relationship and how that ended and blah, blah, blah. We're not going to, they're all unverified.

Speaker 3 But if you're Craig and you start hearing these rumors about, you know, and all of a sudden you get broken up with and it feels like out of the blue.

Speaker 3 And then you start hearing rumors about maybe people have been talking ahead of time.

Speaker 3 Like, why should, why should Craig go out of his way to like say with 100% certainty that he knows Paige didn't do anything? How does he know that? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like, sure, like her care, you know, oh, of course she would never do that.

Speaker 3 Listen, when like most, most people who get cheated on, when it happens, they think this could never happen to them and they think the person who did it would never do it to them.

Speaker 3 So now that their relationship's over and she's moved on and she's holding hands with some other guy and seeming really close with another guy, which I'm sure to Craig, even if it's been a few months, feels really early.

Speaker 3 Why should Craig go out of his way to like have her back? And why, how does he know with

Speaker 3 absolute certainty that she didn't do anything?

Speaker 5 Well, he's not going out of his way again to I'm not saying that he should be scouring Reddit and defending her. I'm just saying when prompted, asked point blank by Andy Cohen, did she cheat?

Speaker 5 He could have just been like, I don't think so, not not to my knowledge.

Speaker 5 His answer was, in my opinion, very calculated. And I agree with Sierra that he knows exactly what he's doing.
And he knows that Bravo.

Speaker 3 I mean, to sit here and say that

Speaker 3 fine, Paige knows exactly what she's doing too. She's a very smart, very sophisticated person.
So you can't accuse Craig of being calculated and Paige not.

Speaker 3 When Paige picks up cameras, and on camera, after like saying she would never talk bad about Craig, talks bad about Craig and accuses him of cheating, you know?

Speaker 3 And I just, again, if two people have the right to break up, but like Paige is operating as if she assumes her audience and her fans are going to have her back.

Speaker 3 And she's kind of acting like she should not in any, like when you break up with someone, you break someone's heart, you're kind of the bad guy. You're their bad guy.

Speaker 3 It's not she's not a bad guy, but like he has the right to be upset with her.

Speaker 3 And if anyone's a fan of Craig's because this is a public relationship and they both have fans, like they're allowed to have Craig's back.

Speaker 3 And Paige is kind of operating like, you know, she didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 3 And again, I don't think she did anything wrong per se, but she is kind of operating as if like she doesn't need to be careful. She has the right to go out whenever she wants.

Speaker 3 She's a free and independent single woman now. And those are all true.
But when you're in the public eye and you have an audience, you have to sometimes be careful.

Speaker 3 of the optics, regardless of the optics are true or not, because people have their opinions and she doesn't give a fuck. And that's fine, but she wants Craig to have her back in the meantime.

Speaker 3 So she wants to go out and operate and she wants to go out in public and go to games and hold people's hands. And then when rumors start circulating, she wants Craig to what?

Speaker 3 Stand up and say, don't worry, she didn't cheat. That's fucking insane.

Speaker 5 Well, say that she actually did. She says that she caught Craig texting two women.

Speaker 3 So that's all we know.

Speaker 3 It could have been anyone.

Speaker 3 What do we know about those women?

Speaker 3 Let's say it was inappropriate.

Speaker 5 Let's say she was hiding this because she knows about the optics. She knows about Bravo Nation.
And so she was protecting Craig all this time.

Speaker 5 And now she's like, well, fuck that. If he's not going to have my back, I'm not going to have his.

Speaker 3 Okay, sure. Now it's getting fine.
It's getting messy and spiteful. But like, we're still under the impression that Paige outgrew Craig, didn't want to be in that relationship and broke his heart.

Speaker 3 And we're all acting like Craig, like

Speaker 3 Sierra having an opinion or any of Paige's friends having an opinion about Craig's feelings and whether it's time for him to just move on is insanity.

Speaker 3 I disagreed with how Sierra handled the Wes thing fine, because I just felt like she was upset that he didn't like her, but she has the right to feel however she wants.

Speaker 3 And if she wants to still be upset, that's fine. To sit there and tell someone you're milking it because your feelings shouldn't be hurt anymore.
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 I just think that the way that a breakup happens is important too, because the way that Wes broke it off with Sierra mattered. You know, he didn't just not like her.

Speaker 3 he also was you know he let her on and then let her with her and then yeah yeah exactly how do you know I think that the way that Paige and Craig broke up matters and none of us I've heard I've heard Wes's version and Wes's version is like he just realized he didn't like her after hanging out with her and so there's Wes's version there's Sierra's version and then somewhere in the middle there's the truth so yeah you gotta kind of like kind of clear disconnect and a clear clear disconnect but we do know that they were never dating and we do know early on that wes made it very clear that he has like you know commitment issues there's that yeah but i'm sorry.

Speaker 1 We you and I got into it last time about this.

Speaker 1 We don't need to rehash it, but I'm like, I'm sorry, but it's like there's some iota of responsibility where it's like, just because you don't traditionally think bringing a girl home and meeting your family and spending holidays and doing and wedding dates and all of that isn't a relationship status.

Speaker 1 To the majority of people, it is. So Wes being immature and not saying that to her face.

Speaker 1 And he also knew, and he also knew that if he slept with, she wasn't going to sleep with him unless it like meant something.

Speaker 1 And he like allowed them to sleep together and like it got in her fucking head. And then he was like, What do you mean? We slept together, but I don't even like you.

Speaker 3 I'm not even here to like have Wes's back. I'm just there.
If Sierra, fine. And if Sierra has a right to be upset about Wes, I am just saying it's a little bit much for her to be calling out Craig.

Speaker 1 We already, yeah, we already got into that part.

Speaker 5 And then Wes puts a New York Times article out, though. So who's milking it?

Speaker 1 That was kind of crazy. I'm just like, one season on.
But anyways, also, but the one the other defense I do have.

Speaker 3 But it's like, why are we, I'm not accused. Who's accusing West of milking it? He did an interview and someone asked him a question about the breakdown.

Speaker 1 No, that was not an interview where someone asked him a question. That was an entire New York Times article based around him and Sierra.

Speaker 3 With a conversation he'd never heard of. What was the headline?

Speaker 1 Fill up the headline. Do we have it? It was like that being Sierra and being the newbie guy and that he just felt or like that he just wanted to break up with her.

Speaker 1 But it was like a bunch of headlines that they showed. But it's like, no, there's no reason why somebody from a first season on a show is getting a New York Times expose on his relationship storyline.

Speaker 1 It made zero sense.

Speaker 3 The headline was: Wes Wilson of Summerhouse discusses his first taste of infamy.

Speaker 1 When Mr. Wilson was accused on the reunion of misleading Sierra Miller, his castmate and former romantic interest fan backlash was Swift.

Speaker 3 That's the subject. That is the entire fucking article.
Okay. And then what was the problem? And then he came on here and he talked about it on here.
Which one he did? I didn't think he did that.

Speaker 3 Ours first.

Speaker 1 We're just saying, like, clearly, in this entire group of all of these shows, all of these people people are pretty hypocritical and every breakup gets really messy.

Speaker 1 And so I don't think there's really a place to take like stand-on sides because I, it's clear that there's a lot of disconnect between everyone and I'm with you.

Speaker 3 I just think, you know,

Speaker 3 I just don't think more than anything, we should be like the idea that Craig doesn't have the right to be upset and that he is supposed to have Paige's back after they're broken up, regardless of how Paige chooses to move and operate, to me is nuts, but that's nuts yeah

Speaker 1 my whole thing is just the term milking it claims that it's like we're trying to drag something out i don't know how someone's milking it when they're not really talking about it yeah and it's been like two or three months so it's like let's give the guy a little bit of time to like feel a breakup sierra was it lindsay that said the word milking it i mean sierra was insinuating that i'm pretty positive it was sierra that said it because she's the one that has like the headlines going about it too did you see the the memes of it's what's going on we can keep this in the episode, but people are saying there's going to be another war and it's Summerhouse for Southern Charm.

Speaker 3 Ooh.

Speaker 3 Because it's like the two fan bases are pinned against each other.

Speaker 1 Sierra and Lexi later on.

Speaker 3 Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes, Jesse Sullivan being so messy.

Speaker 3 Was that in episode one? Teaser. Teaser coming up.

Speaker 1 Sierra and Jesse are flirting and Lexi is pissed.

Speaker 3 Oh, because Jesse's just like...

Speaker 1 Because Jesse's being messy.

Speaker 3 Messy Jesse.

Speaker 3 Well, Jesse is like, you know, he's friends with Sierra and and he's just like he's that he has that friend where you just like I used to be when I was single and I had like girlfriends were just friends but like you know they were attractive and you'd be like oh you're so hot or whatever like yeah

Speaker 1 but he starts looking at you know he starts liking another girl and he's still doing the whole you're so hot to his quote unquote friends well that's why I'm like they're just messy because I'm like usually for me a friend's ex hookup whatever would be off limits but it's like all right Wes you're done with her let me take a whack at it they're messy in the summer house Sierra's a little messy all right well i think kazzie david is almost here so

Speaker 3 kazzie welcome back

Speaker 3 yes thank you where do you want to start your amazing new movie uh no i don't want to start with that you don't want to start with that yeah we already talked about it a little bit yeah i feel like that's enough

Speaker 3 do you know nick lemon

Speaker 1 yeah he dm'd me and was like i was terrified the entire time but i couldn't stop laughing oh yeah i love that i love that

Speaker 3 best thing you can say for sure how you been yeah

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm always kind of like weird and bad, but fine.

Speaker 3 But fine. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 2 You know, like surviving, hanging in there.

Speaker 1 How long did it take you to write this movie?

Speaker 2 I don't actually know like the exact length of time it took us to write because there were a lot of drafts over the span of like a couple years. Wow.

Speaker 2 But I would say like definitely a couple months to start out. And then, yeah, like probably like a...
a five-year process like trying to get it off the ground and stuff.

Speaker 2 That's honestly like an, like, just the average, I feel like, for everyone to make anything.

Speaker 3 I don't know how movies are even made.

Speaker 2 Yeah, honestly, same.

Speaker 3 What, what inspired you to write this genre of movie?

Speaker 2 Mainly that I knew so many people who had also gone through something like this.

Speaker 2 And I just thought it was so ironic that all these rom-coms start out the same way as these like textbook abusive relationships. And like, why isn't that a movie? You know?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, it's funny because like sometimes you watch these rom-coms where like, or like sex in the city is like a show we love watching and then like it's always portrayed in this like very like romantic way that you're supposed to be like oh i want that but when you like kind of take away some of the the shine you're like wait is big kind of

Speaker 3 like toxic and emotionally abusive potentially like you know when they don't romanticize it and like this movie really kind of leaned into that and i just really love the um just the self-deprecating humor about like more than anything like how we lie to ourselves in relationships yeah for sure that's great i think it was also it was also spawned from like me being annoyed how like misused all those terms are online oh yeah um like the love bombing gaslighting you know toxic narcissist like it just like started to really piss me off and i just kind of wanted to show like what it actually means i think the line about um i texted him that i had a dream about him and he didn't respond was like i was like the amount of guys i have been like oh my god you were in my dream last night it's like a really bad pickup line.

Speaker 3 So bad. It does not work.
You know, my favorite was, if you're not going to go to therapy, at least watch some of the TikToks I sent you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was really funny.

Speaker 2 The idea with the dream thing, it's like, you know, I actually did have a dream about this person. So it's like weirder to not tell them that I had a dream about them, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But then it sounds like you made it up.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's kind of like when you leave something at a guy's place and you're, you like, don't even want to tell them because it's so cliche to like be like, I left something there.

Speaker 2 That is so I'd rather just like leave. Just leave it.
Yeah, even if it's like my favorite belonging, like it's too embarrassing to tell them.

Speaker 3 That is so true. I meant to leave that.
I don't want it back. You can have it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Because then it's like, well, what was the dream about? And then you have to be like, well, I was like in the ocean fighting wolves and then you were there.

Speaker 3 They'll never ask you what it was about.

Speaker 2 It's like all you want is to be like, well, we like both looked really cute.

Speaker 3 We were making out a lot. It was super awesome.

Speaker 3 tongue.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like, you were loving it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, you're in love with me.

Speaker 3 So, yeah. And then you, you co-wrote and directed it with your friend, Alisa.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We're, we've been like writing partners for like 10 years now.
So.

Speaker 3 And was this your first time directing? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, I directed, I guess, like a web series, which I don't even know if that counts.
I guess it does, but yeah.

Speaker 3 But your first time.

Speaker 2 It's definitely like lower.

Speaker 3 Were you saying action?

Speaker 2 You know what? I have a really hard time saying action.

Speaker 3 Oh, no.

Speaker 3 So, how are you? Director.

Speaker 2 I know. So, I actually would have the AD yell action.
It just felt like not me.

Speaker 2 I don't like, I'm not someone who can say action.

Speaker 1 You're like, can we start yet? You're like, I'm trying to get it out.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, you know, I'm going to say that thing that people say when you want to start the scene, and you guys know what that means. So, just

Speaker 3 yeah.

Speaker 2 So, feel free to just start when you want to.

Speaker 3 Whenever you're ready, yeah, no, not an action person for sure.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's great. Well, the movie is, I know you don't want to keep talking about it.

Speaker 3 I'm fine.

Speaker 3 It's really good, though. You should be really proud of it.
I love a good rom-com. There's not enough of them out there today.
And

Speaker 3 I was texting you about this yesterday, but, you know, I think every generation has like their breakup movie.

Speaker 3 You know, when you're breaking up with someone and you just don't really know how to feel about how you're feeling and you want to connect with something, sometimes there's a movie out there that really like.

Speaker 3 kind of like not only speaks to like the pain you're feeling but it calls you out on some of your bullshit for me it it was like forgetting Sarah Marshall, you know, and I feel like this movie for this generation, because it like it does like topically talk about some of the things that people out there are dating experience and just some of the language people are using, whether it's correct or incorrect and things like that.

Speaker 3 Because, like you said, there's a lot of people out there who have dated people like this or have had relationships like this or have acted that way in these types of relationships.

Speaker 3 And I think it can be very eye-opening and like help people get over that stuff because like forgetting Sarah Marshall, like as great as it was, like I was going through a breakup just like that.

Speaker 3 And just to be able to watch that, I watched it over and over.

Speaker 3 And like, every time I did it, it helped me like feel good because, like, he kind of like woke up and like really saw her for who she was throughout that movie.

Speaker 2 Um, anyways, so this is definitely not a feel-good movie.

Speaker 3 No, it's definitely a star movie.

Speaker 2 But it is very much like it feels like a, it does feel like a rom-com for our generation. And that was kind of the point.

Speaker 3 The ending is, I, I loved the end. It's very uplifting.

Speaker 3 And it really, it's a kind of a, like Swingers has that ending where it's kind of that ha aha moment at the end right right anyways congratulations thank you and thanks for thanks for watching it you guys appreciate it it was really good it was really good you can find it on amazon it's available it's out now it's called i love you forever someone did message me and say um i found it and oh my god it's so romantic and i was like girl get help

Speaker 2 she watched a different movie maybe

Speaker 3 um it's on apple too it's but yeah anywhere you can like buy a movie it's anywhere you can buy a movie yeah okay s and all 50 was last night yeah Did you see your dad's

Speaker 3 glam bot is pretty hot?

Speaker 2 Oh my God. First of all, I was like, I can't believe there's a Glam bot at this.
That's like, yeah, this is comedians.

Speaker 3 Like, why is there a Glam bot? It's like, is this the Oscars? Yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 It was so weirdly placed.

Speaker 3 It was so weird.

Speaker 2 The whole first half, I was like, I, this is so over the top. And then the second half, I got super into it and I was like, oh, this is like amazing.

Speaker 1 Where was like the break for you?

Speaker 2 Honestly, like, it's so weird because usually in an an SNL episode, like everything before update is like better.

Speaker 2 And then after update, you know, they made a joke about it last night where you get a little sleepy. And I felt like the second half of the show was way better than the first half.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But the second half, it was like bringing back all those people and those really good sketches.

Speaker 3 You know, I love that.

Speaker 2 They were great. And Paul McCartney, like, what, that's the coolest thing ever seeing him perform.
Like, oh my God.

Speaker 3 That was sick.

Speaker 1 It was also cool to see like share.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Like, do you have any questions? Do you have a question?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 I don't. Yeah.
I have a lot of answers, though.

Speaker 2 So many, I mean, Will Farrell, like, oh my God.

Speaker 3 Bat Murphy.

Speaker 2 So cool.

Speaker 3 The prison one. The prison one.
Yeah, he came out.

Speaker 2 That's like a, that's a great sketch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, were some of those that, like, I mean, I haven't seen every episode of SNL. So some of those were like iconic, have done before.

Speaker 2 Most of those sketches have, yeah, are like old sketches that.

Speaker 3 Cool.

Speaker 2 But I think it's like once a cast member leaves, like that, whose sketch that really was, like, they don't really do it again. And so when they come back, you get to see them again.

Speaker 3 Did they ask your dad at all to join in anything?

Speaker 3 You know, I don't know. I mean,

Speaker 3 yeah, I'm not sure. Ryan and Blake made it a little impressive.
I know. That was, I thought that was great.
I thought it was pretty funny. Really good.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's kind of the only way to just

Speaker 2 kind of, I don't know the word, just like diffuse the tension almost. Yeah, it's like, is you have to go on SNL.
Like I was saying, like, Drake needs to go on SNL like this year.

Speaker 2 And that's like his only option.

Speaker 2 you know so true like Drake has like literally two options which is like to fake his own death or go on SNL like drop all the lawsuits and just go on I was trying to think like if I was his PR person like what would I tell him to do and SNL was the only thing I could think of it has to be at this point like

Speaker 3 yeah it was pretty funny they made an appearance as a couple they look great Justin Baldoni's out surfing in Hawaii taking pop shots with a really bad back a back that's so bad that apparently he needs to like get unsolicited updates on Blake Lively's weight, but he's surfing.

Speaker 3 Back's doing better. That's a good point.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 It's probably because he figured out Blake Lively's weight that his back is doing better.

Speaker 3 I have surfed in Hawaii, and it's not nice to your back at all.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's quite a dangerous sport. Anything else in the SNL that we're trying to think? It was long.
It was good, though. It was really long.
Really long.

Speaker 2 Also, I love SNL on a Sunday at 5 p.m. Like, yeah.
They should just just move it.

Speaker 3 Just move it Sunday night. Yeah, it was nice.

Speaker 2 Like Sunday at 5 watching SNL was great.

Speaker 1 It was really great. Like while you're cooking dinner, it was perfect.
What did you think of the Kim Kardashian skit with Kristen Williams?

Speaker 2 Oh, like that's an old sketch, too. I thought that was hilarious.
You don't really, some of them, they're so bizarre, you don't really know why it's funny. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's not really my humor is when I don't know why it's funny, but I, that one is just like, I was cracking up and I was like, I I don't even know why I'm finding someone so crazy.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Forehead.
Yeah, it was great. It was great.
He said, I found you a

Speaker 3 helmet. And then it's like, super low.
Did you see the outtakes of, you know, that bit where it was Will Forte and Jason Sudeikis? And Will Forte was in the like the Elmo costume. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And they stood up in the crowd. There's like outtakes now.
And there's like, who played Wednesday Adams?

Speaker 1 Jenna Ortega. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I guess she was like right next to Jason Serdecas, and she keeps like dodging his hand movements because like, you know, it's so small in there. And she's just going like,

Speaker 3 it's hilarious. It's pretty hilarious.

Speaker 1 You go to watch. I think there was also a point of that of like her trying to play a bit of like, what the fuck are these people doing here?

Speaker 1 And trying to play, because I think her and Kevin Coster were doing the same kind of thing. Like he was like, let me get my glasses out and like put his glasses on.

Speaker 1 Like, no, Kevin looked hot.

Speaker 2 I can't ever really remember his face. So I'm trying to think of who.

Speaker 3 Think of hot. A hot man.
A hot man. It's ringing a bell.

Speaker 3 It seemed a little random that he was there, though. I mean, there's a lot of.
It was literally the Oscars.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was crazy. It was kind of weird, like, looking into the crowd as they would pan in the commercials and everyone was like.

Speaker 2 I almost wish Lauren like had died. So like it would like justify it a little bit more, you know?

Speaker 2 Like, I wish this was like, oh, like a celebration of like what Lauren did.

Speaker 3 And what are we going to do now when he does die?

Speaker 2 It's like, we're going to have to do this again.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it'll be like a little played out by then.
It was nice to see Zach Galifanakis, haven't seen him in quite some time.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's just he's great, traders, traders.

Speaker 3 This is what you've been dying to talk about.

Speaker 2 Well, I was really dying to talk about it when Boston Rob was still on, and now that that's passed, I'm so much less invested now. I don't really know who to root for.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 I, and this is interesting because I know on The Bachelor, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but they want to keep certain people around to keep it interesting, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, like they won't really allow producing, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 And I like that on on traders, you can tell for sure that they don't do that. They like, they're like, play the game, like remove anyone you want to remove.

Speaker 3 Short of, we interviewed Rob last week and he was talking about like when he showed up, you know, they had that plan of how they presented them and, you know, that or the bringing them back.

Speaker 3 Short of like how they introduce them and things like that. Yeah, the producers are

Speaker 2 I can't tell if you if I want them to pull strings a little bit more because they removed every single strategic person. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And without anyone who has like that kind of manipulation skill, it's just less fun to watch because they're all now it's just like a bunch of like chickens with their heads cut off like running around.

Speaker 2 Like I don't really know.

Speaker 2 It's like maybe they'll figure it out. Maybe they won't.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a weird place when it's like Sam is making the most sense out of everybody in a roundtable situation.

Speaker 3 You You know, where Sierra fucked up, I was thinking about this this morning because I was like, just dawned on me. So let me know if I'm wrong.
Okay. But she got the shield, right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 And she hid it.

Speaker 3 Now, some people on her team knew that she had the shield, but if at some point in the roundtable, she would have been like, guys, I haven't said anything because I'm trying to cess out a traitor, but I have the shield.

Speaker 3 I felt like that would have helped her cause. It doesn't make sense that if you're a traitor,

Speaker 3 that you would.

Speaker 2 Well, a lot of traitors get the shield, so they seem less like traitors.

Speaker 3 No, not that she had the shield, but I'm saying that she hid it from the

Speaker 3 traders.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a really good point.

Speaker 3 She definitely at some point, I feel like she should have owned up to that.

Speaker 2 That would have been a really good case.

Speaker 3 Maybe like right before they vote. Like, I actually have the shield.

Speaker 1 Where she messed up was not pinning it on anyone else directly. They hadn't, they, she gave no one else a like, oh, well, what about? She just was like, well, Brittany.
You're sketchy.

Speaker 1 And Danielle, like, you, someone else said you're not.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she had to make the case. Like, Rob would be like, you know, remember when they did this?

Speaker 2 Well, they did this because, well, you know, he's seen he was, he was so blatant where I was like, I just can't, these people are so stupid.

Speaker 3 I think that there's editing, though.

Speaker 2 I don't know. They're just all like, oh, that really does make sense.

Speaker 2 And it's like when they got Wes out, which was like, you can take Wes out based on like some, like a few weird personality traits or Rob with like a mound of evidence.

Speaker 2 They're like, I think maybe like this guy, because he's been a little bit weird.

Speaker 3 He's kind of an asshole. Yeah.
I don't like him. Would you do do it?

Speaker 2 You know what? I like, I would

Speaker 2 like, I think I actually would. Would you?

Speaker 3 Yes, someday, if I can. It's tough for me.
Would you?

Speaker 2 Like, you guys could both do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be fun. Could you imagine if we both were there and like you were the traitor and I was the faithful?

Speaker 3 You guys should do it together.

Speaker 1 I had to be like, wait, I think it's my husband, everyone.

Speaker 3 You really, you really should do it together. You would be so mad at me if I voted you out.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, I wouldn't. I would do it.

Speaker 2 But that's the thing is, you wouldn't have a choice. Like, you'd have to vote.

Speaker 2 Well, that's what's annoying about this game is that like you vote her out and you're like, see, like, why would I do that? And then they're like, because you don't want us to see, whatever.

Speaker 2 And then it's like, if I was a traitor, I would have kicked her out because I want people to know that I'm not a traitor. So you can say anything.
And it's like, it is crazy.

Speaker 3 It's a viable thing. Kazzie David said she would do your show if you're listening.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's, yeah, I think soon enough, my career will be at a place where I should go on Traitors.

Speaker 3 No, Traders is elevating, Kazzie.

Speaker 2 No, exactly.

Speaker 3 It's not. You guys, your career and traders.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
You're big enough. Oh, you, oh, you're, oh, you're, I'm sorry, you're being self-deprecating again.
I can't keep up.

Speaker 1 Back to your like, where they should, like, produce more. I do think in the beginning, like, they should produce with the like murders.

Speaker 1 Like, they should be able to tell the traders not that like with Dorinda. Like, we don't need to kill Dorinda right now.
Like, she's good TV. She's funny.
Let's keep her around a little longer.

Speaker 1 Pick someone else. Like, they could have definitely could have.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, like the fact that we're currently watching Sam, whatever, and Tom, whatever.

Speaker 2 It's like, I just don't, I wouldn't put that show on, you know, like, oh, like stupid people playing a game. Like, I wouldn't really watch that.

Speaker 2 I do say I would, I love Sierra. I think she is like, yeah, beyond gorgeous and chic and smart.

Speaker 2 And I love Gabby. Yes.
And everyone else, I'm just kind of like.

Speaker 3 And Dylan?

Speaker 2 Dylan's sweet. And like, sometimes he's on the money, but other times it's just like, it's like so random.
You know, it's like

Speaker 1 the rest of the rest of the game players, which are what Danielle, Brittany, and Carolyn, they're just, yeah, they're not good enough game players to make you feel like

Speaker 2 and sometimes I'm really rooting for the traders, you know? Like I because they have the hardest job in the whole show for by far. So you kind of are like hoping the best for them.

Speaker 3 I feel like the traders have the best chance to go.

Speaker 3 Like, I think if you're a trader, you're almost guaranteed to go a little far. You have better odds to go further, but it's almost impossible to win.

Speaker 2 I feel like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 Were CT and Trishelle? No, they were both faithful.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Also MJ.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I knew she was.

Speaker 3 They did her dirty.

Speaker 2 They really did. Oh my God.
MJ.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Justice for MJ.
What happened? They like, they turned up. They sold her.

Speaker 3 They voted out K Chastain, and then they were like, oh, let's do another person.

Speaker 3 They're going to split three ways.

Speaker 1 And they're like, actually,

Speaker 3 no.

Speaker 2 But it's like, I'm not really rooting for Danielle or Carolyn. I just don't really care.

Speaker 1 I mean, them fighting every turret meeting where it's just like,

Speaker 1 y'all might as well just rock, paper, scissors, merge disaster.

Speaker 3 It's a disaster.

Speaker 2 But what do you guys think they're going to do? Do you think they're going to recruit someone? And if they were to, like, what is the smart thing for them to do at this point?

Speaker 3 Well, right. So it ended with him fighting about that.
Brittany.

Speaker 3 Yeah, about Brittany.

Speaker 1 Danielle wants Brittany.

Speaker 3 I think the smart move is to try to recruit someone. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because like Danielle said, I mean.

Speaker 2 You want to be able to throw someone in the middle of the moment.

Speaker 3 They're pretty confident.

Speaker 3 One of the traders is at least one woman. They're right about that.
Their only traitors are two.

Speaker 1 Well, the thing is, like, Danielle's playing an emotional game right now where it's like, it would actually make the most sense to have Brittany in, not because she's your best friend, but because people are already looking at her as a traitor.

Speaker 1 That I'm like, if they do vote her out in the next roundtable and she became a traitor, then it looks like you guys are actually on to something or we got one of the two women that we're thinking are traitors out.

Speaker 1 But Danielle wants Brittany on as a traitor, as like as a teammate, and that's not going to work if you're trying to protect her.

Speaker 2 Like, Carolyn ultimately

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 right to not trust that situation, even though I'm like, that is your only option.

Speaker 3 I think Caroline, well, see, I think Caroline's making an emotional decision as well, because it's just more like, she's just kind of like, you lied to me, fuck you.

Speaker 3 Like, she's just like, I can't trust you. They both need to compromise.
I think Caroline should compromise and invite someone in, like, try to seduce a faithful, but that person should be Gabby.

Speaker 2 I just don't think any, like, any of them are really going to help their game that much is the thing.

Speaker 3 Gabby is, I think, Gabby's the smart.

Speaker 2 the only Gabby's really the only option.

Speaker 3 Gabby, if Gabby wanted to put the gamer head on, she could totally.

Speaker 3 I think she could have fun with it too. And now because like, you know, Chris's gone, all the Bambi girls are gone.
So if you're Gabby, you're like, fuck it. I have no loyalty to anyone here.

Speaker 3 Like, why not?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's true.
Wasn't it that if you get recruited, though, and you say no, do you, do you, do you get murdered?

Speaker 3 I don't think so, no.

Speaker 2 No, but like, there's always a choice of like, do you say something? Do you not say something?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because they're going to tell that, you know, they will say, well, because no one will get murdered, right? If you get seduced, someone, no one's murdered. So they'll find out no one's murdered.

Speaker 3 And then like.

Speaker 1 They'll be like, oh, well, someone's got a murder.

Speaker 3 Someone got seduced. Or like.
Someone was seduced. Seduced for whatever.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 That's what I said. Someone had sex.

Speaker 3 We don't know who it was. It's a castle, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it is simultaneously like. It started out as like the best season and the worst season that there's been, I feel like.

Speaker 3 Why the worst? Because of the traitors are worse.

Speaker 2 Because of just like how they played and like who the traders were.

Speaker 1 What did you think of Tom Sandoval in the dollhouse?

Speaker 2 I mean, that was just like incredible TV.

Speaker 2 Like, that was so funny.

Speaker 3 He was

Speaker 1 like, there was not one ounce of him that thought it was like funny or a joke. He was like, this is the most serious thing I've ever done.

Speaker 2 No, everything he does is 100% serious.

Speaker 3 When he was running, holding that tune. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, because he was like,

Speaker 3 dear love. He does anything.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't know. does that even do that?

Speaker 1 Say what you want, but I'm like, it's making him more endearing in my eyes. I'm not going to lie.
The fact that, like, A, they would not have gotten through that challenge without him.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, listen.

Speaker 3 I have a soft spot for Tom.

Speaker 1 He's growing one

Speaker 1 during this whole process.

Speaker 3 You're doing special forces them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you have a soft spot for him because you realize how truly stupid he is.

Speaker 2 I have no choice but to feel bad for this person.

Speaker 3 He's an imperfect person who is, he's only capable of so much.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, he isn't capable of more than what he has done and

Speaker 3 part is like, can't be that mad at him because, like, he can't be that evil, he's not capable of it, yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, well, you know, he's too stupid to even know what he's doing is that evil, like his statement at the round table about the like what did he say?

Speaker 1 Also, generally speaking, and historically, girls are better cheaters than guys just because they have better social skills.

Speaker 3 He was like, I didn't mean it like that.

Speaker 3 Cheaters, he's like, No, for sure, guys cheat more.

Speaker 3 I would know, guys cheat more.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 2 yeah, all my favorite people are gone, and even the people I hated. Like, I did want Boston Rob out, but I'm now mad he's gone because I'm just,

Speaker 2 but at a certain point, it was like all of them and just Boston Rob. It was like, this is like just a cult.
We're just watching one person,

Speaker 2 like, one smart person manipulate.

Speaker 1 Because that is like, if he would have lasted another roundtable, it would have been like, okay, like, y'all have to be so fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 Like, seriously, after it's been like four rounds of a round table where it's Boston Rob and someone else, and like, it's not interesting.

Speaker 2 There needed to be like Derek's

Speaker 3 still there.

Speaker 3 You make a good point, and that's, that's, I think that shows a weakness of the shows. The gamers were there to like focus on TV.
And that's why Rob was speaking up.

Speaker 3 And that's why, like, Bob the Dragon King was speaking up. Cause like, they wanted to make TV, but no one else would say anything.
So they had like too much attention on there, too much heat.

Speaker 2 What I will say, though, it's not even just about TV, but like for the sake of the game, like mafia isn't fun when it's just like actually a bunch of idiots and like one person just being like, this is easy.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you play mafia, like you need people who are good at the game.

Speaker 1 But also the game players are so used to like competing for like a final prize and having like an incentive where you have the housewives and whatnot that are just like paid for drama, but like they don't know how to get to like the final round.

Speaker 1 For some of them, this is their first game they've ever played. So it's like, to your point, the gamers are like know how to be strategic to get to the end.

Speaker 1 But like a lot of the housewives and people are like, well, I don't really know who.

Speaker 2 Well, Phaedra was

Speaker 2 one of the best traders ever.

Speaker 3 Lawyer, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, there's just some people who have those skills.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Would you want to be a traitor or a faithful? A faithful.

Speaker 2 I would never want to be a traitor.

Speaker 3 Why? Why? Yeah. Isn't it obvious?

Speaker 2 It's like, I don't want to feel like I've murdered someone and like the cops are after me like every single day.

Speaker 3 You'd be crying after

Speaker 3 that.

Speaker 3 You'd have to be like constant like energy.

Speaker 2 I think I would get out quickly because people would think I'm a traitor, even though I the whole your energy is weird. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I would totally get out for sure.

Speaker 3 Your vibes are off.

Speaker 3 For sure. I'm on first round.

Speaker 1 I'm honestly shocked that the whole, I mean, Sam's like strategy of, well, let's see who didn't know what Alan was wearing because that's got to be the traditional

Speaker 1 genius. Why did they not like

Speaker 2 catch on to Carolyn's hesitancy? I know. That was so stupid.
And they were like,

Speaker 2 Yeah, it almost worked, but it didn't.

Speaker 3 It's like, it kind of did, you know,

Speaker 3 but then you had to standoval being like

Speaker 2 yeah no he was wearing i thought bob the drag queen was so incredible and i was

Speaker 2 really upset that he i'm upset that he's not in the game anymore i thought

Speaker 1 he was so yeah i thought he was so performative that it was like so obvious that he was a traitor no i actually didn't i thought he played an amazing game yeah

Speaker 2 Because when you're a traitor, you're actually not that outspoken. Like it's, it's kind of crazy to be that outspoken as a traitor.
Right.

Speaker 3 It's very brave.

Speaker 2 I guess that's what I would think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if Rob didn't call him out, he wasn't feeling hell.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no way. That's true.
That's true.

Speaker 1 It was like it was literally Dylan on an island alone. Right.
And like the fact that Danielle's made it so far is also shocking to me.

Speaker 2 I know. That day that she kept putting everyone else's faces on the thing.
I was like.

Speaker 3 She's always just twitching. She's always like crying.

Speaker 2 And everyone was like, that's crazy. Like that was a huge thing.
Like, whoa, like, why is she doing this? And then nothing ever came from.

Speaker 1 I think Derek said something when we interviewed Derek, he was like,

Speaker 1 she's just so emotional. At some point, you got to be like, Why is she still crying? And he was like, But the thing is, she was like that from the start.

Speaker 1 Like, it was like, you know, she was consistent with these emotions.

Speaker 3 So, it was like, Was he touched how bad she felt about yeah, yeah, it isn't knowing how loyal she is to her friends, her traitor, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, as a traitor. No, your wife's not there, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, we'll see what happens, like, as the game goes on. I mean, she's gonna have to at some point betray her friends, someone, yeah, have to.

Speaker 3 So, who do we have left?

Speaker 1 We have Carolyn, Sam, Dolores, Dylan, Gabby, Sandoval, Ivor, Danielle.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. Brittany.

Speaker 1 And then Sierra went home.

Speaker 2 Worst game ever.

Speaker 3 If they don't recruit

Speaker 3 Gabby or Brittany, they're going to kill a guy for sure.

Speaker 3 Because there's no point in killing a girl.

Speaker 1 And they're going to kill Sam because he's like two on the nose.

Speaker 3 I think that Carolyn.

Speaker 2 The fact that Sam is the one on the nose, that shows you how dumb this group is.

Speaker 1 He's the smartest one in the group.

Speaker 2 The fact that they're going to be the tripping, we have to get rid of Sam.

Speaker 3 He's a threat.

Speaker 1 He's not, he's, he's, he's not as he said that he, like, played into the like dumb model to like scathe bot.

Speaker 3 Did he say that? He's on here. We interviewed him.
Okay, interesting. He's not

Speaker 3 a gamer. He didn't like come in.
I think he's pretty smart. He's just showing up to like update his brand.
You know, like, he's not coming to win traders. I don't think he gives a fuck about the show.

Speaker 2 What is he coming on for?

Speaker 3 Like, I'm still here. Exposure.
Probably. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 A little limelight. But I'm also,

Speaker 1 if they get rid of Sam, then I'm like, wouldn't it just instantly put a target on Carolyn's back? Because his whole gameplay was to try to see if she knew what

Speaker 1 Alan's outfit was.

Speaker 2 Like, I'd say yes, but these people can't say that anything.

Speaker 3 It would never happen.

Speaker 3 They had Carolyn, which can do whatever they want.

Speaker 2 It's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 They all said, Sierra, it was you unanimously. Carolyn could say, I am a traitor, and they'd be like, you're so funny.

Speaker 2 They'd be like, I still think it might be Dylan.

Speaker 3 You're such a trickster.

Speaker 2 So, I, yeah, I don't even care what happens.

Speaker 3 Who do you think wins?

Speaker 2 Like, it doesn't even matter. Like, whoever wins doesn't even deserve it.
Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not because they played an amazing game.

Speaker 2 So, therefore, like, the winner is like not even a winner.

Speaker 3 That is a little frustrating with this. And I think Rob was mentioning this, that, like, there are, there's almost too many variables they can't control.
Rob was talking about game theory.

Speaker 2 Like, what was he? What did he say? I should have listened.

Speaker 3 He was just talking about like just, well, if I would have went after Wes, then I had to think about, you know, it's always like, he's always thinking three or four steps ahead.

Speaker 3 And he's just talking about just like, if you do this, there's a theory behind this. And there's like, there's immense amount of strategy behind the moves that they're making.

Speaker 3 They're not, they're not voting for like their friends because they want to save someone or they're just not, they're not voting for someone.

Speaker 3 You know, sometimes they would go with the majority because that's a strategy, but there's always a strategy. And like most of these people, to your point, they're not, they're not strategizing.

Speaker 3 They're just kind of, they're all surviving. Most people are there to survive, not strategize how to make moves.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, it's my favorite show,

Speaker 3 you know? Sounds like it.

Speaker 2 It really, I know I'm frustrated, but like it really is my, it's like I look forward to it in a way I've never felt for anything. I really want to see it go on.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean.

Speaker 2 We're going to have to have me back on for the next season so we can actually have something, you know, of substance to talk about.

Speaker 1 And it's crazy how Tom Sandoval carried a whole episode of Traitors.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, you know, because sometimes you just need to laugh.

Speaker 3 Well, he's the only person in the castle that's musically inclined. So, who was your guys' favorite like before everyone good died?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it was, it was really fun to watch Boston Rob just because the way he's able to gameplay was just incredible.

Speaker 1 But I mean, I wish, I wish Ion, Chanel Ion, would have stuck around a little longer.

Speaker 3 Her tweets since she's been off, I haven't seen them are so funny, pretty on hinge.

Speaker 1 I wish we got to see more of Derek's gameplay, to be honest. Yeah, I think he was like the smartest one knowing how what he was like watching in people call out.

Speaker 1 But Chanel thought everyone from Survivor was because they had survived a disease,

Speaker 3 she said. No, I hate that, I really hate that.

Speaker 2 I loved Wes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And

Speaker 2 Bob the Drag Queen was incredible.

Speaker 3 Wes, when he like threatened to murder all the girls who

Speaker 1 that was a disaster.

Speaker 3 Do you watch challenge?

Speaker 2 No, I've never seen it.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 He's like really big on that. And that's pretty much like his style.
So it's like.

Speaker 1 seeing how his style works for the challenge, but doesn't work in Traders, where it's like, you can threaten, do whatever, but like, I dare you guys to give me up, but if you don't, Traders, they were like, nope, we're not gonna take time.

Speaker 2 What is the like, and to not bore anyone, but like, what is like a really short synopsis of the challenge? Like, what is that show about?

Speaker 3 I've actually never seen it.

Speaker 3 It sounds sick, though.

Speaker 1 It used to be like a bunch of like MTV people from the real world and Road Wolves Challenge, and then it's evolved since.

Speaker 1 But they're like dropped down in like Bali or whatever, and they do physically strenuous games where people get down in the bottom and then people get voted out.

Speaker 1 But it's a lot of like negotiating and trying to an allyship and whatnot. So it's like a lot of manipulation, but it's also a lot of like physical strength that's exerted.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just don't, I hate the physical stuff.

Speaker 3 WizWest, I can't watch that.

Speaker 3 I used to skip through the challenge.

Speaker 1 He was on Real World, either Houston or Dallas. It was a Texas version back in like 2000, I don't know, it's eight, seven.

Speaker 3 Wow. I watched it in high school.

Speaker 2 Okay, then what is Big Brother? Is that dress manipulation?

Speaker 1 A Big Big Brother, I never watched an episode of. I just know it's a bunch of people living in a house and that you can get voted out that way.
And it's like you're being watched 24-7.

Speaker 2 Like, maybe we should just get really into Big Brother, you know?

Speaker 2 Like, none of your listeners care, but we just like love it.

Speaker 3 Some of them watch it. BioFiles Plus? Yeah, maybe.
Do you want to stick around and interview some Love is Blind and Bashman people or do you want to get out of here?

Speaker 2 I could. I just haven't watched any of it.
It's up to you. You guys can like, I don't, like, I'm not going to be like, yeah, I'll stay.
And you guys be like, fuck.

Speaker 3 Stick around. Stick around.

Speaker 3 Do you care about Paige and Craig's breakup at all? Are you following that?

Speaker 2 I'm not following that.

Speaker 3 I'm curious. I really would love your breakfast.

Speaker 2 I did watch the, I watched the third episode of The Bachelor, the one before.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Great.
That's so random. Why?

Speaker 2 Because I was coming on and I thought

Speaker 3 Team Rose or Team

Speaker 3 Carolina. Carolina.
She's like, I watched it. Who are those people?

Speaker 2 So I don't understand the dance thing. Like,

Speaker 3 she didn't see the dance. We'll explain that.

Speaker 2 But I heard that there was like murmurs of it, and I said, that's interesting. I'd love to know what happened.

Speaker 3 There was a group date. Yeah.
In between the group date, there was an arbitrary winner, as they often do. And so that girl was Carolina.

Speaker 3 And she got to dance with Grant in front of the other women on the group date. Okay.
And at the end of the dance, she decided to like sit him on a couch, straddle him.

Speaker 3 and suck his face like real hard. Carolina did.
Yeah, Carolina. Okay.
In front of everyone. She cries a lot.

Speaker 3 She's become the villain of the season. And there was this other girl named Rose.

Speaker 2 I would have never suspected that because I watched one episode and I was like, oh, this girl's great.

Speaker 2 And that's the problem is you really do need to watch all of them to understand their psychology in a huge way.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You can't just get like a Carolina and Rose had a conversation.
And then at some point, according to Carolina, who went back to Grant and titled On Rose, Rose said that

Speaker 3 Grant told her that he was thinking about Rose when he was dancing with Carolina.

Speaker 2 And did Rose say that?

Speaker 3 Rose didn't really remember. She was like, I might have said that.

Speaker 2 But wouldn't it have been, wouldn't we have seen that happen?

Speaker 1 No, we did. So we did.
And he just said, like, listen, like, I'm always thinking of you, like, even with, like, dancing today, like, you know, I'm always thinking of you guys.

Speaker 2 And then what did she say to...

Speaker 1 And Carolina repeated it back to Grant as if he said, Rose, while I was dancing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but Rose still shouldn't have said anything to Carolina. Like, what, in what situation was Rose like, yeah, he says he's thinking about me all the time?

Speaker 2 That's the worst thing about the bachelors when they like tell each other like

Speaker 2 the compliments they're giving you.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Kazzy.

Speaker 2 I really hate that. It is hard, I will say.
Like, I was a big bachelor head. It's hard after Love Island to watch one single strike.

Speaker 3 The stakes are so much different.

Speaker 2 It's just like, and it, it feels just way less real in a way that's like.

Speaker 2 Not as yeah, the stakes are definitely different.

Speaker 3 Well, the stakes are still pretty high in Love is Blind. Just stick around.
Okay. All right, Kazzi's going to stay with us.

Speaker 3 We have Dave from Love is Blind coming up next, and we'll discuss with him the first three episodes of Love is Blind. I know there's six out right now, but we got Reality Recap on Thursday.

Speaker 3 So we'll cover then episodes four, five, and six on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap and the new batch comes out after that and we'll keep on covering. All right, so let's get to Dave.

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Speaker 3 Dave!

Speaker 3 Hey, how's it going? Welcome to the show. How are you enjoying the first couple episodes of the season? Are you staying offline?

Speaker 4 Hope so. Uh, trying, trying staying off like the interweb stuff for sure.
It's been interesting. You know, it's it was a kind of a tough weekend, not gonna lie, but uh, it was it was kind of a shock.

Speaker 4 Like, I was sitting there ready to, I was so curious to see everybody else in the pods and like see what they have to say and things like that.

Speaker 4 And I heard there was like a lot of shit that went down, and then all of a sudden they just focused on me a lot. So, I wasn't really prepared for that, but um, overall, it's been been okay.

Speaker 1 What shit went down that we didn't get to see?

Speaker 4 I think I got to hold off on that.

Speaker 4 Boring. Just some other stuff I know.
I'm sure it'll come out at the reunion and stuff. So I just heard there was a lot of stuff with these other couples that they just chose not to show.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm assuming you're referring to the stuff they decided to show of yours, specifically probably around some of your jokes that, depending on who you are, landed or didn't land.

Speaker 3 Do you want to address them?

Speaker 3 Probably the 30-year-old women joke probably

Speaker 3 pissed people off.

Speaker 2 I personally think it's really funny.

Speaker 4 You know, the crazy, the crazy thing about that is like people, like, if you kind of understand that humor or whatever, like people could tell it was a joke.

Speaker 4 It was, and like, Lauren, like, I think she handled it really well. And we kind of like connected after that and hit it off.

Speaker 4 So I just, you know, I'm happy I approached it the way I did because like it landed with a lot of the women, honestly, and it made things fun.

Speaker 4 And I have a personality, so I was happy to like show that side of me. And it also like weeded out a lot of the people that I didn't connect with.

Speaker 4 So it kind of like helped me get there a little bit quicker. And I like to keep things light, you know, keep it fun.
And honestly, that came out like in the speed date like portion right away. So

Speaker 4 yeah, I mean, I was just trying to have some fun with it and see who I connected with.

Speaker 3 Gotcha. Do you think you can take it as well as you can give it? Ooh, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 But I'm kind of quickly learning that it's harder than I think.

Speaker 3 Were there some other jokes on there that you shared that didn't get aired? Maybe some better ones? You're like, oh, they showed that one, but what about this one? This one we were really laughing.

Speaker 4 Oh, I, man, I, I mean, I talked a lot. You're in those pods like for hours on end.
And like, there's just a lot of stuff you talk about.

Speaker 4 So, but no, again, like, I think that's a really important piece of like a partner that I'm, I'm, I was looking for. And I want to be able to have fun with that with that partner.

Speaker 4 And I feel like I just wanted to be myself and just make sure people understood me for me.

Speaker 2 And David, I don't watch the show, but I just wanted to know, like, what compelled you to do something like this?

Speaker 4 They show me talking about like Botox filler, you know, stuff like that a lot. And that was, I was in that industry at the time.
And

Speaker 4 it's, there's nothing wrong with a little Botox here and there. Like I'm a fan of that.

Speaker 4 But yeah, to go on the show, like it was a big part of like, I've known I've been shallow in the past and I really don't want to be like that.

Speaker 4 And I feel like I talked a lot about how I want to be, you know, the person I know I can be when it comes to. looks and loving someone for the right reasons.

Speaker 4 And I was thinking a lot about that when I got there. And

Speaker 4 honestly, I didn't really know what to expect. I kind of just went in open-minded and just, I knew I'd make a few connections and I didn't expect to go as far as I ended up going.

Speaker 2 And you can always give them Botox and filler after.

Speaker 3 That is true. That is true.
True, but that's up to them.

Speaker 3 I hope so.

Speaker 3 Who else?

Speaker 3 Were there anyone that you had dates with that we didn't get to see?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I actually dated Taylor for a very long time.

Speaker 4 We had a lot of fun in the pods together. And I guess, you know, there's a lot of stories they have to tell.

Speaker 4 And they didn't really show that part, but it was actually kind of tough when we ended things.

Speaker 4 You know, me and I think Taylor's awesome. And, but yeah, we dated for quite a while.

Speaker 4 And it's always funny looking back on that, knowing like, I had no idea, like, she had such a strong connection with Daniel.

Speaker 4 Like, I just, you just have no clue because the guys didn't really talk about it.

Speaker 3 Did you get to know Madison much at all?

Speaker 4 I did not. Madison was, that's a wild situation.
And I guess that's somebody I was referring to. Like, I was curious to see more of what she had to say in those pods.

Speaker 4 And, but no, she was the first date I had. And I thought she was very normal and cool and didn't have anything bad to say.
But sounds like there's a lot of other, you know, things going on there.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wonder if maybe we just haven't gotten there yet. You said in the pods that your sister wasn't thrilled about you coming on the show.

Speaker 1 What was her take on this last drop and like and of you being on the show?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, I think she's kind of just taking it in stride um i think that's just such a funny and like the internet is just insane because like apparently having a good relationship with your sister is a bad thing like yeah sorry she's cool whatever but i think she's doing okay you know i feel like if she was struggling with it she would have been like talking to me and texting me a lot but i think she's doing all right is it cringy and i don't ask like in a judgment way i ask and i'm like because i would be cringed out watching myself flirt and try to like use pickup lines on people did you feel that way about yourself?

Speaker 1 Or were you like, damn, I got it. Pretty sweaty.

Speaker 4 You know, it's actually like, it's funny you say that. Like it's so hard to focus.
Like you're so like kind of excited to watch. You're also like nervous.
So you kind of, you pick up on things.

Speaker 4 I'll probably have to re-watch it, honestly, because it's watching. I watched all six with Devin and

Speaker 4 it's just hard. Like you're, you're just kind of distracted while you're watching it.
But no, again, like I think I just tried to have a personality in the pods and

Speaker 4 People can take that in a negative light if they, if they want. But I mean, I was just trying to have some fun.

Speaker 4 It's such a i remember going into the pods like oh the pods are open the guys like some of them would ask like dave what's what's your plan and i'm like my plan like what do you mean i'm just gonna go in be myself and and see what happens you know it's you only get like eight to ten minutes with each person you got to keep it light were you uh were you surprised that you started developing feelings oh absolutely i was i was completely thrown off um That was like one of the harder parts to

Speaker 4 watch back and have these kind of feelings and emotions come back.

Speaker 4 Like, I, you know, going into that, I thought, I think I already mentioned this, but I thought I'd be there for a couple of days, didn't really expect much. And I ended up just like

Speaker 4 really buying into the process and the, the experiment in general.

Speaker 4 And it was good overall, like, not only the connections I made, but like the growth that I had individually, just like kind of going through that process and making sure I was being, you know, open, honest, and just

Speaker 4 raw, being my real self.

Speaker 4 It was, it was kind of refreshing, but it was very hard to go through um it was and it was a lot harder than i expected i feel like the next kind of batch is like the honeymoon vacation phase obviously you were there in real time you know what happened usually that's when things start to get a little messy are you nervous to watch those episodes come out or are you kind of like no i'm good um no honestly no i feel like um i mean me and lauren had a blast um on the getaway so i i am curious but again like i thought this going into the first batch i i kind of had that feeling too and then it was like oh never mind mind.

Speaker 4 You're kind of like the focus of the show.

Speaker 3 Did you have any more jokes down there?

Speaker 4 Probably.

Speaker 3 I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I like to joke around. Like life is short, man.
You got to have fun with it and not get bogged down by all the, all the craziness and stuff.

Speaker 3 I agree with you.

Speaker 4 But no, I mean, we had so much fun. And I'm excited to watch some of the

Speaker 4 just the events and like things that we did because it was really fun. Yeah, no, not really.
I think there are a few moments where we talk about like physical stuff.

Speaker 4 I can't give anything away yet, but there are a few moments where I'm like probably pushing that on some of the other people, just trying to figure out, you know, where they're at.

Speaker 4 So hopefully they don't focus too much on that.

Speaker 1 I feel like that's the usual. That happens every season.
Everyone kind of tries to suss out who else is fucking, you know?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, it's, I feel like it's a very normal conversation to have, you know, and people, some people think it's weird.

Speaker 4 I think it's very, I mean, 33 now, 33, it shouldn't be weird to talk about that.

Speaker 3 Period. You're only at 33.
That's what the 33-year-old jokes.

Speaker 3 You're in your early years.

Speaker 4 That's why I thought it was funny.

Speaker 3 Like, yes.

Speaker 4 I don't judge anyone for that.

Speaker 3 I'm older, too. I don't give a shit.

Speaker 2 Men aren't really attractive until they reach at least 36.

Speaker 1 So true.

Speaker 1 I met Nick at 37.

Speaker 3 It's so true.

Speaker 4 So what do I got to do in the next three years?

Speaker 3 You look great, man. You look great.
You just have to wait.

Speaker 3 Just a waiting game, honestly.

Speaker 3 Do we have any more questions for Dave?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I'm excited to watch this season unfold, though.

Speaker 3 Dave, really appreciate your time. I know that you're at work or you took some time off to talk with us.
So I appreciate you taking the time. And best of luck the rest of the way.

Speaker 3 Stay off the internet. Don't read your comments.
And you'll be just fine, buddy.

Speaker 4 Got it. Thank you.
I appreciate it as well. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint with the rest of the way.
You'll be great.

Speaker 3 All right. Take care, bud.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Yep.
See ya.

Speaker 2 I think what you guys do is actually

Speaker 2 like it's so much more than a podcast because you're giving these people who are on these reality shows you know a chance to either redeem themselves or explain themselves and like who else is doing that in that in this way where it's like you have people coming in like thank you cosie i just think it's really nice especially like imagine like what like what it does to their mental health how do you think dave did i don't know i'm i'm honestly like like i have to go

Speaker 3 no you're here for the long haul now yeah sorry we actually locked the door

Speaker 1 um i feel like he definitely 100% regrets making that joke. You know, it's like, that's the only thing that people are shitting on him for.
And he's like, it was one second. I thought it was funny.

Speaker 1 She kind of laughed in the moment. Like, it's really not that big of a deal.
And everyone's like, you're such a dick.

Speaker 2 I'd like to know if he was actually joking.

Speaker 3 He was definitely joking, but like, I just want to, maybe I just want to see his timing, you know?

Speaker 1 Because like, maybe it was just like his icebreaker. And it's kind of a good way to tell if someone's sensitive or not.
They're not going to get your sense of humor.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's that offensive.

Speaker 3 I think it's like

Speaker 3 hilarious. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, it sounds like a joke I would make.

Speaker 1 He said it with such, and I guess you probably would too, just like with such a straight face.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, that's how that's the only way to land it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, he landed. He definitely landed.
Do you want to talk about Madison? Madison is triggering me. It reminds me of every relationship I had in my 20s, early 30s.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 3 Well, because so, so Kazzy. Yeah, I'm seeing Madison is dating Alex.
Alex, upper left. Yeah, I see him.
And Mason.

Speaker 1 She tells Mason there's something you need to know.

Speaker 2 Well, it's so clear just from their photos that she should be with Ben.

Speaker 3 So it is true. She tells

Speaker 3 you

Speaker 1 that there's something he needs to know about her nipples, and it is that they're pierced. She did feel the need to make sure that was.

Speaker 1 It was like, before you propose to me, you have to know my nipples.

Speaker 3 She's also very open about. It doesn't feel like something you can do.
She's also very open about her trauma.

Speaker 3 she's like i've had a lot of shit happen to me and like i can't tell you specifically what because you know we're on camera but like i hope you're okay with knowing i'm fucked up but i can't tell you exactly how

Speaker 3 and alex alex's storyline is he's a handsome guy but he talks about how growing up he was the ugliest of the ucklings according to himself he said he had a big afro and braces and really bad acne and he said that bullied and really just it was really you know and you really love this guy right you know and so he's now he's this very sweet handsome guy but has this gentle sweet face definitely could grow a beard but yeah he he could definitely like he could definitely use a girlfriend makeover for sure yeah he wears a lot of the like mock neck turtlenecks okay if that tells you yeah i'm seeing it in the photo yeah he's falling in love with madison and it like i i'm triggered by it because like alex kind of reminds me of me when i was that age and and madison reminds me of like every girl i've pursued when i was that age and it's like the person who is just like i've done some work so like i'm aware i'm self-aware yeah but i still have problems and so like she's selling this like self-aware person who like like it's weird because like when you humanize the fact that you have or like whatever your issues are by being so honest about them it actually like it's almost more manipulative because it does humanize you in such a like crazy way.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think they're going to end up together, Alex and Madison, and she's going to fuck him up so bad.

Speaker 2 That's what like I was thinking about while I was watching The Bachelor, which is like, it's, that's the difference between when there's so many women and one guy, rather than all these guys and a, a woman, where it's like, it's so hard to watch some of these women manipulate this guy, you know?

Speaker 2 Women are so much smarter than men. So it's like when it's the men and there's like one woman, she's not really getting manipulated by them.

Speaker 2 Like maybe sometimes, but you always see on these seasons, like one of these girls, like really go for it and try to convince him and almost like nine out of ten times he he totally buys in so true

Speaker 3 it's hard to watch because the bachelors you know they can't really question anyone or they can't every season of the bachelorette there's always like it's like week three week four where some guy says something wrong and then she storms in where they're all staying there and she's like listen up motherfuckers if you're not here for the right reason there's the door and everyone's like oh what a queen she's great oh she's serious and like yeah the bachelor's just always like hey guys we just want to be nice to each other and please like well it's like one girl telling on everyone with like a lie and him being like, if you guys don't start being nice to her, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's hard to watch.

Speaker 3 It is hard to watch. Yeah.
I found the moment. You found it.
Oh my God. Good job.

Speaker 2 I think that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 I wish he would have had a reaction. By the way, that's great.

Speaker 2 He's immediately said, I'm joking. Like, you totally believe him.
I thought that was a great joke, 10 out of 10.

Speaker 1 He also made a joke right after saying he was on OnlyFans. So I'm like, I think this is just his icebreaker of showing his personality.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I actually thought that was a perfect, a perfect joke.

Speaker 3 You know what the best part about that is? That I really laugh. Well, she's behind a screen.
She can't see him, but he still wrote down, like, still not attractive as if, like, she could see him.

Speaker 3 He really leaned into the bit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So great. He's like, and so still not attractive.

Speaker 3 Very funny. What do we think of Joey and Monica who got engaged episode two?

Speaker 1 I can't watch.

Speaker 3 It's like backhand.

Speaker 3 Joey and Monica can't.

Speaker 1 They're the...

Speaker 3 Get married. I don't care.

Speaker 1 They were the Taylor and Garrett for me in the beginning of last season where it's like, okay, you're in love. We get it.
You're going to last forever. I don't care.
Give me the drama.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's so wholesome.

Speaker 3 So I love it.

Speaker 1 Their accents are crazy.

Speaker 3 Oh, this is from. What are their rocks? They're from Minneapolis.
Minnesota. It's a lot of doncieno.

Speaker 3 And theirs are really thick.

Speaker 1 The Joey and the Monica.

Speaker 3 They're both from

Speaker 1 all from the same place. That's kind of why this show is is great because then they make them like live together.
So it's like how, how their relationship would change.

Speaker 2 But have they always done that?

Speaker 3 I don't remember them doing that. It's always in the same situation.
Not the first season, I think. Yeah, they didn't do that.

Speaker 2 And not the second season either.

Speaker 3 They did not the second season. Really?

Speaker 2 Okay, well, that changes things a little bit. That makes the show, I guess, a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Because then you can still go to work and live a normal life. Well, that's where things go off the rails, too, because it's like, it is that.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, I come home from work and I like to have a drink. And then this is when the fight starts.

Speaker 1 And it's like, and now I'm stressed and I'm back in my normal life so yeah but it's not interesting because it's like yeah of course there's going to be problems there's problems when you don't meet someone like this right but then when people are like normal and good and cool nobody cares about them and then everybody cares about the drama that does ensue but there are healthy relationships that actually do come out of it I really hate this show

Speaker 3 like

Speaker 3 so so stupid

Speaker 3 when they propose to each other behind the screen it's it's the worst and best moment of TV every season it's just like are you standing? Are you kneeling? Yes.

Speaker 3 And the guy gets down on a knee and he looks at a wall and he proposes. And it's always, and then the girl will go up to the wall and like touch the wall.

Speaker 1 And then after they propose, then they have the big reveal where they have to like walk down the hallway and look at the person that they've formed this relationship.

Speaker 1 They're now their fiancé and be like, did I make a mistake?

Speaker 2 It's ridiculous. I also think the show would work just fine without them getting engaged.
Like you don't, you don't actually need them to get engaged in order for you for

Speaker 3 Kazzy.

Speaker 3 It's so stupid.

Speaker 2 It's so stupid.

Speaker 1 We should have asked Dave what was on his sex playlist. Because he does admit to having a sex playlist.

Speaker 1 And like, if you're still playing music while fucking, honestly, get a life at

Speaker 3 the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're like, hold on, let me find my morning car ride, airplane vibes. Thanksgiving, I'm in a movie.

Speaker 3 Sex playlist. It means you're a fuck boy.
Like, you're fucking.

Speaker 1 If you have created a like, this is what I want to fuck to playlist and you've spent time like picking off the songs, like you're not in a relationship.

Speaker 3 You don't want to be in like a movie scene though. I've never done that with a girlfriend.
Oh, a girlfriend or non-girlfriend?

Speaker 1 We were, we were used to say Alexa, play cautious clay.

Speaker 3 We were not boyfriend and girlfriend then. Yes, we were my friend and girlfriend.

Speaker 2 No, cautious clay is like that like makes music for sex.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like it's like the weekend vibes.

Speaker 3 That is really, really fucked.

Speaker 3 I I wish I didn't know that. Yeah.
I'll get every Monday a lot of time, so it's fine. I've lost that love and feeling.

Speaker 3 Shut up.

Speaker 2 I think if someone tried to put on music,

Speaker 2 even just before, not even without sex, I would

Speaker 3 cops. Yeah, it'd be upset.
I'm just like, what's the other one?

Speaker 2 Watching someone put on music I find really embarrassing.

Speaker 3 It's so true. Like I'm like scrolling to find.
Making a choice.

Speaker 2 You have to have it playing before you walk in so you don't have to think about it.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 If you forget, you can't go back. If it's a conversation, I'm just going to be silent the rest of the night.

Speaker 3 Imagine mid-makeout stops. Hold on.
Skip this song and skip to another one.

Speaker 1 Or, like, what is it? Like, genuine pony? Like, that's where I'm just like, what is on a sex jams list?

Speaker 3 We should have asked, and that was a miss by us. Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 It's called just clay in the weekend. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 I can't think of anything else.

Speaker 1 It's Jeremiah, like birthday sex.

Speaker 3 It's, you know, it's a lot of fun. Like, Lollipop by Lloyd.

Speaker 3 It's a lot of that. Well, it used to be LL Cool J back in the day.
Oh, good lord.

Speaker 3 I have to, I actually do have to leave.

Speaker 2 Is that fine?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 2 It's like, I know the choice was either like stay or go now. Like, the choice wasn't like, you could stay for one and then leave, you know?

Speaker 3 But that's what I did.

Speaker 3 Let's say goodbye to Kazzie. Bye, Kazzie.
Everyone, go watch her movie.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 3 I love you forever.

Speaker 2 Love you guys forever. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Well, what's the worst thing to have on a sex playlist?

Speaker 3 Everything. I think genuine phony.
Genuine Pony. Apple King.

Speaker 1 Any song. Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 No, Taylor Swift is good. And he had a good time.
Taylor Swift a fuck too? Reputation era. Do you have a sex playlist? Like revenge.

Speaker 3 I'm a bit, I don't have a playlist anymore, but I'm a big advocate for music. Well, but when you were singing, when you were single and out there slinging it, you had a playlist.

Speaker 3 And then now that you're in love, you're just like, you don't. Yeah.
But I also think it's good to like be in a movie at some point, like having sex during a soundtrack.

Speaker 1 But they don't have music during the movie. They put that on after.
But like, I can't.

Speaker 3 Post-production. But I feel like I'm in the movie.

Speaker 1 Understand the film process, Justin.

Speaker 3 Yeah, literally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, but she made a point. It has to be playing when I walk in and it has to be a casual thing.

Speaker 3 It can't be like.

Speaker 1 Stop things.

Speaker 1 Wait, I see where this is going. Hold on.
I got a playlist for this. I did.

Speaker 3 Uh-oh. What'd you do?

Speaker 1 I had to like skip a Pit Bull song one time because music music was playing and I was like, this can't happen.

Speaker 3 This can't happen. How did Pitbull end up on your playlist?

Speaker 1 It wasn't a specific playlist. It was just music.

Speaker 3 It was playing.

Speaker 1 Hotel rooms are. I was like, I can't.
Oh, we had the Hotel Moto holiday.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I can't. This is not.
It ruined the vibe. All right.
Should we get into the Bachelor?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're in Madrid.

Speaker 3 I think Rose leaving means I was right. I think it's giving, she's like, I was sabotaged and I no longer can be here.

Speaker 1 I mean, her conversation with Grant was not the slightest bit reassuring. She's like, it put a stint in our relationship.
He's like, Yeah, it absolutely did.

Speaker 3 She's like, All right. He's like, All right.
But she, that still means that she said and did something she knew she shouldn't have done.

Speaker 3 And Carolina definitely threw her into the bus and definitely screwed her over and is definitely the messiest of the group for sure.

Speaker 3 In the teaser, you see Dina even turn on Carolina, and that's me as like, okay, we're clearly seeing that.

Speaker 3 They were crying like in solidarity at the end of this episode. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's like, I see myself in you, or you and me, or whatever.

Speaker 1 whatever your carolina's kind of the worst she's the carolina show 100 yeah not a fan i disagree what i disagree i think the house are being bullies okay i know this goes against everything i said last week yeah you last week was like the house can never be the bully it is Carolina to the max.

Speaker 1 She's the worst. I'm over here forgiving Zoe.
I'm like, I get your trauma.

Speaker 3 We need a name for Leia's.

Speaker 1 You always say you deserve the right to be wrong.

Speaker 3 I've been calling calling her chaos.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 1 I've been calling her chaos laos.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Chaos Laos.

Speaker 5 That is what they call me because I'm always just like.

Speaker 3 So wait, explain

Speaker 3 like back your girl, Carolina.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Okay.
I just think that they're coming a little hard on her. I disagreed with Juliana.
I just think that, like, mind your own business a little bit. Like, if she's...

Speaker 5 She's clearly anxious. Like, she's like, I don't know if he's the guy for me.
We've had one date. I need more time.
She's just saying everything that's going on in her head out loud.

Speaker 3 You don't think I agree with you on that, actually?

Speaker 1 You don't, no.

Speaker 1 You don't think that if you were in a room with a bunch of girls who are all going after the same guy, one in particular who's had a shit ton of time with him, and she's like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm just like,

Speaker 1 I just like don't know if I see. You wouldn't be like, really, bitch?

Speaker 3 Like, we don't know exactly what she said.

Speaker 1 It was in last week's episode where she was going off about like, I don't, I wish I never even went on that date. Like, I don't feel secure about this.

Speaker 1 I need more time or I don't even know if I, if this is the person for me.

Speaker 1 Like, she went on a whole thing after coming back from Vegas where these girls were like, I haven't even gotten one-on-one time with him at all.

Speaker 1 And then even on this episode where she's sitting, they're all on the couch and she's like, I just feel like.

Speaker 3 I don't remember it specifically. So I do think context matters.

Speaker 3 I do think sometimes in that world, the house, the bully, will go after anyone who's not like saying, I'm deeply in love with the lead, like week two.

Speaker 3 You know, anyone who's demonstrating any like, hey, you know, we'll see and like, I still want to get to know someone and I want to take my time and yada, yada, yada is sometimes like portrayed by the house as like not being grateful for being there.

Speaker 3 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I think that's that is valid.

Speaker 1 I think it is Carolina saying, I wish I would have never gone on our one-on-one private debt to Vegas.

Speaker 1 Like that is a very ungrateful thing to say to a bunch of women who are dying to have time with this.

Speaker 3 Okay, and that's a temper tension.

Speaker 1 And I also think that this is providing a little bit of context of why Rose said what she said is because I think Carolina is going around complaining saying all these thoughts and they're just like comparing stories and whatnot and then whenever Carolina gets upset that's when she's running to Grant or crying and whatnot but like you think a whole bunch of women dating the same men want to hear you complain about how your time was spent or you not getting enough time when you've had the most time you do seem ungrateful and Juliana was being an adult pulled her aside and was like hey in the context of which you're talking about Grant, it doesn't seem like you want to be here.

Speaker 1 And if I was saying things the way that you were, I would hope someone would say to me, why are you still here?

Speaker 1 I really don't think Juliana went about it in a way that was like disrespectful towards Carolina. I think she was just like, hey, this is kind of like what you're saying.

Speaker 1 And it's kind of rubbing a lot of the other women like the wrong way. Maybe you should like stop or reframe the way.
And Carolina turned it was like, I never asked you for your opinion.

Speaker 1 I never blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, she made it.

Speaker 3 Caroline said, so what are you asking? Yeah.

Speaker 3 But that's the thing.

Speaker 1 She would have done that in front of all of the women who also felt that same way.

Speaker 1 Then Carolina would start crying and being like, everyone's attacking me and ganging up on me, which she still ended up doing anyways without that happening.

Speaker 1 So I'm just like, no, she's playing the victim, but then also when Grant's not around, she's talking shit or at least being like, no, somebody should feel bad for me for what I'm going through.

Speaker 1 And I just don't. You've had the best dates experience.

Speaker 1 He's pretty much made it very clear in front of women, kissing you and whatnot, that he, you have his attention and it's still not good enough for you.

Speaker 3 Do you think Carolina was milking those tears when Grant walked in? 100%.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, she was like, I can't even let you get through a sentence without.

Speaker 3 You don't, Leia? You think all of Carolina's tears are 100% genuine and authentic Yeah, I think that I think that she was like overwhelmed in that moment.

Speaker 1 I think she's on the wrong show if these are the things she's worried about.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like kind of on the right show, but well, I she is on the right show.

Speaker 1 But like for her to be like, oh, I'm not sure about Grant, it's like, girl, you're on the bachelor. So the house is like.
It's kind of a cult mentality, it seems to me.

Speaker 1 Well, that's and so she's not buying into it.

Speaker 3 And it's like to be on the show, you kind of have to buy into it right yes and no i'm again i think you it's splitting hairs i'm a i'm really i always get annoyed and i was kind of that person on andy's season i was like i don't know i'll get to know her i had early attention so i liked her earlier but like as soon as i was like my villain edit started when people are like he's ungrateful you know he's on a date and like he's not sure about her yet i'm like that's because i just went on this like i i don't know yeah i literally i've never spent more than 12 minutes with her right and that and this has happened multiple seasons, like that, that narrative gets used against people sometimes.

Speaker 3 Right. But Carolina is going on a date, complaining about the date, saying things like,

Speaker 3 I didn't even want, like kind of throwing a fit, like saying things that she's not grateful to have that day. That's different than someone saying, I had an amazing time with this person.

Speaker 3 I love what I've gotten to know. I have more questions.
Yeah. I'm not in love yet.

Speaker 3 And sometimes the, I'm not in love yet has been weaponized against people in that house, but that doesn't seem like what Carolina is doing.

Speaker 3 Carolina, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, Carolina is making a point that it's like something is happening to her and everybody's time now is being completely monopolized by Carolina having tears and a problem.

Speaker 1 Either deal with it head on or discuss it with Grant in your one-on-one time and then sit down and let other people have their moment.

Speaker 1 But it's like the entire night, every Rose ceremony is everybody consoling or Grant needing to console Carolina and it's just retired.

Speaker 3 Didn't wasn't it a little dramatic, though, for Rose to have her panic attack?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, even then, I saw like when she went went outside, I was like, the sun is coming up. They've probably been drinking.
And I'm just like, I think it just got to her.

Speaker 1 She's like, I have, yeah, I've been here all night. We're not getting time together.
The last time we talked, we are disconnected.

Speaker 1 She confronts the situation and it's like, yeah, he's not saying, I was going to pick you tonight, or like, I don't want you to go home. He said, okay, let me walk you to your car.

Speaker 3 She's like, okay.

Speaker 3 I don't think she was overreacting. I don't think so.
I think Carolina put the nail in her coffin and she was like, there's no going forward from here. Like, I need to go at this point.

Speaker 3 I'm, I'm, like, I still, I still agree with Kazzie. Like, Rose, if nothing else, she was foolish.
Yeah, she trusted Carolina.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she shouldn't have, but she shouldn't have trusted.

Speaker 3 The more I'm watching Carolina, the more I'm wondering if Rose has got Rose got shifted. She got duped by someone playing a more sophisticated game.
100%.

Speaker 1 Chest and checkers.

Speaker 3 Somebody flashed back last episode. Of us.

Speaker 3 We're only working with the information we have in front of us. Yeah.

Speaker 1 As I say, because even then I've changed my tune completely on Zoe now, knowing what I know about her background, I'm like, okay, I understand why you're defensive and that you're not trying to open up with these women right now and you're coming here for a goal.

Speaker 1 I still stand by the fact that if you're coming on the bachelor saying you're not here for making friends, you don't get to cry when the women do not like you.

Speaker 1 But even seeing them all come together, I was like, okay, this is just like easing into things. It's a weird situation having 20 women dating one man or 10 women at this point dating one man.

Speaker 3 But like, I'm Team Latia, whoever, like the fact that she was voicing concern over Carolina. Yeah.
Like she's got to go. That's all I needed to hear.

Speaker 1 Me and Latia are Instagram friends now.

Speaker 1 I DM'd her and I said, I'm obsessed with you.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 Latia seems like she doesn't, she really,

Speaker 3 who knows, but she gives like above the drama. Yeah.
But if, you know, if you ask her her opinion, she'll give an honest answer. Yeah.
Period. I love that.

Speaker 1 One thing I have to say about Grant's season and tell me if you agree or disagree.

Speaker 1 But I kind of feel like watching this season, this is the first time where I'm like, not really sure where he's going to go.

Speaker 1 Like I feel like he has so many genuine connections with these women, like even his date with Serafina serafina today where i was like wasn't thinking of hers and yesterday's show but like how much chemistry and how great their date went and they just were on that uh three-on-one last week and it's just like i never know i just feel like there's always a new woman that's like pulling forward from like the back ranks and usually when you're watching bachelor you kind of have like your top four throughout i i agree it's i don't have a good read on his like favorites well he sent natalie home and like one of them like uh he was like one of her tops one of his tops last week then it's like he brought the rocks and stuff for paris after having the cute uh chubby bunny date and gave her the date rose and then she went home so it's just like it's kind of hard to like navigate which which way he's going with things yeah it's definitely latia juliana are his top two his final two i feel like i didn't see a lot of laughing or humor or goofiness or childlike playness with Dina or Serafina.

Speaker 3 But it's a conversation with Dina where she was like, you know, like I'm here to also take care of us. Like, it's not just you.

Speaker 1 No, they had both had really great, deep, important conversations, but I, I didn't see that, like, ha ha ha, we can still be kids.

Speaker 3 Right. Chemistry.

Speaker 1 And joke and laugh. Juliana is one of my like top runners.

Speaker 1 And then it was like, even last week with the, the conference, or this week with the confrontation with Carolina, I was like, oh, no, up until they sat and talked.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, okay, here's the chemistry again. But I, her not getting a one-on-one, I was kind of shocked by that.
I was like, what is happening? I thought she was your frontrunner.

Speaker 3 It's only week four. Your real frontrunner usually gets the one-on-one week five, usually.

Speaker 1 I think Juliana gets a one-on-one next week.

Speaker 3 We have Parisa to give us a little bit of insider baseball. Let's bring her up.

Speaker 3 Well, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 Yeah, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 How are you feeling after your,

Speaker 3 well, you haven't watched it yet? We know. We've seen it.

Speaker 3 You're kicked out. You're exile from Madrid.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I'm feeling.

Speaker 6 It was, not going to lie, kind of unexpected in the moment. But,

Speaker 6 you know, after getting home and reflecting on everything, like, you know, like I understand.

Speaker 6 And,

Speaker 6 but no, I'm doing, I'm doing very well. Thank you for asking.

Speaker 3 You're sound, you like you saying you understand. And I'm, and I'm, I mean this with all the love in the world, like, like you don't really mean it.
Like, you really want to say, this is bullshit.

Speaker 3 I shouldn't have gone home.

Speaker 6 No, no. I

Speaker 6 had this mindset all,

Speaker 6 you know, throughout my journey. And this mindset was, don't get involved in drama.
You know, you're not here for that. Just stay separated and just

Speaker 6 keep like, just stay focused on this journey of like, you know, being in the moment. You're growing a relationship with Grant and exploring, you know, seeing where this is going.

Speaker 6 You don't need any distractions. And so

Speaker 6 after

Speaker 6 doing some, you know, reflection on everything, I feel like I dropped the ball that, you know, this last week

Speaker 6 in Madrid with getting involved in drama.

Speaker 3 Like you wish you would have gotten more involved or you regret getting involved?

Speaker 6 I regret getting involved and just like kind of allowing it to get into my mind space.

Speaker 3 How did you distract me? How did you get involved in it?

Speaker 6 I think, you know, throughout the whole time, I mean, as you've seen, like, I'm always in the back with like, you know, biting my lips, not speaking up, you know, like drama that was happening throughout the season.

Speaker 6 This last week in Madrid,

Speaker 6 I kind of couldn't take it anymore with just like the negativity and the constant back and forth.

Speaker 6 And I just, I kind of, I interjected myself and, you know, more conversation regarding just, you know, the drama that was happening. And I kind of allowed it to get into my headspace.

Speaker 6 And so I was kind of just focused on that that week and not as focused on, you know, what I'll be bringing to my conversations with Grant, what I want to talk about with him, what I want him to know about me.

Speaker 6 And so I just kind of allowed it to get into just like my headspace and it just was very, it just distracted me.

Speaker 1 Do you still have the rocks that Grant gave you or did you throw them in the trash?

Speaker 6 Oh, no, of course I have those rocks.

Speaker 6 It was still like, it was such an amazing journey and it was so fun. And especially too, like in Madrid, like our group date.
and my time with him.

Speaker 6 They're all like wonderful memories that I'll have forever, especially the rocks.

Speaker 3 Especially the rocks. Where did you land? Were you team Rose or Team Carolina?

Speaker 3 Well, you know, it's hard, you know, you know.

Speaker 6 I wasn't there, you know, when the notes were being shared between them. So I'm not entirely sure specifically what was said between them.

Speaker 6 But I feel like we all just kind of need to read in between the lines and understand too that not everything is shown. It's kind of the tip of the iceberg of what is being shown.

Speaker 3 Could you you elaborate?

Speaker 6 We all, especially in the beginning of this journey, we're all sharing notes with each other. We're all talking about our time with him.
People, maybe

Speaker 6 viewers don't know, but like we don't have any communication outside with our friends and family. So it's the same.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, when you go on a date and, you know, like at home, when you go on a date, you come home, you tell your best friends everything. And we don't have that.

Speaker 6 So we are confiding in each other. We're talking about

Speaker 6 our moments with him. And I feel like we all

Speaker 6 know and expect that

Speaker 6 everyone's going to be having their little individual moments with him. Like, this is what we signed up for.
So I don't know. I feel like none of this needed to happen.

Speaker 1 So it was normal for like all of y'all to be like it was normal for Rose to confide in Carolina about what she thought Grant had said to her.

Speaker 1 And it was out of the ordinary for Carolina to go and tell Grant that.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. And I feel like it's known too, when we all talk to each other, we're all like confiding in each other.

Speaker 6 And I feel like it's just known, like, if I'm doing that, like, I can trust or I mean, I hope to trust that they're not going to turn around and go talk about it with him.

Speaker 6 Definitely, yeah, it brought a lot of negativity to the house and it was tough.

Speaker 3 Do you think Carolina has like sabotaged your time?

Speaker 6 I personally, like, looking back at everything, I, I don't believe it was intentional. And like, it was just, it was a domino effect, these actions.

Speaker 7 It did have an effect on

Speaker 7 how much time we had with grant following um you know her confronting him because it did you know it took up other girls time that they would have had with him are you pro steal him on a group date to get some time or you like need to respect everyone can't do that i feel like you just you need

Speaker 7 you need to be respectful And I kept saying too, I started to notice it's truly if you focus on the quality of your time with Grant rather than the quantity, like how many times you take them how long you're with them then i feel like you do set yourself up for success

Speaker 3 so definitely team rose it sounds like you're team rose

Speaker 3 i

Speaker 7 just again i don't know and i none of this needed to happen i you strike me as someone who like before you came on i you you seemed like a little like uh you you were kind of the sassy one you had the powerpoint you know and now you're like afraid to ruffle you're you're like you're afraid to ruffle uh feathers i just sat back for the most part watched everything and you know i could see with some people again like there's no point in confronting them there's no point to say anything because it's not gonna it's just gonna be a back and forth game and it's not gonna fix any problems and so i never was like motivated really to just confront you know some people throughout this journey because of that reason when you say some people do you mean carolina Or who do you mean?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I feel like I had a moment where I think it was last week's episode when she got back from her date. My approach was to ask questions to have her answer them.

Speaker 7 And there just wasn't really a great exchange there. Like she, it just seemed like she, you know, she just wasn't really looking for help or a solution in that moment, which is totally okay.

Speaker 7 Sometimes people just need to vent. And like that was, you know, it's totally fine.

Speaker 1 What were some of the questions that you asked? Because I know she said that she kind of like regretted going on the date in general. So is this before she said that or after?

Speaker 7 This was, yeah, during that conversation it was just more just like asking her like you know like how do you feel

Speaker 7 and when she would say certain things like well how did that make you feel in that moment did you say this to grant does he know um so just like questions like that just to kind of like talk her through it and i wasn't really just i wasn't getting responses but that was enough for me to be like you know we're gonna let her work this out again like i don't want to get sucked in when i was there i used this um analogy i related everything to like playing mario Kart when you play like multiplayer Mario Kart.

Speaker 7 And so you know, you have like four, like your screen split up into like four different screens and everyone's in this race.

Speaker 7 If you take your eyes off your race for one second and you look at to see where someone else is in the race, you might crash. You might hit the wall.
You might like run over a banana.

Speaker 7 And like that throws you off then.

Speaker 7 the race you're on. And, you know, and it's, it takes one second to just glimpse over to see where someone else is at to lose your place in the race.
And I just kept relating it to that.

Speaker 7 I'm like, okay, like, put my blinders up, just focus on my screen. Like, this is not going to help me, obviously, in my connection with Grant.
This isn't going to help me at all.

Speaker 7 So, let's just get back into my lane.

Speaker 1 Makes sense.

Speaker 3 Interesting. And then he is singing home.
That was a bummer.

Speaker 1 During your journey, what was your favorite moment with Grant?

Speaker 7 Um, I have a couple.

Speaker 7 Uh, so one of them wasn't shown, but it was a really good moment. It was after the basketball date.

Speaker 7 Like, I kept, you know, like goofing around on the court. I was like, teach me

Speaker 7 like a free throw, teach me how to make a basket. Cause I have never played basketball before.
And I would kept joking.

Speaker 7 I'm like, oh, like, I'll teach you how to play soccer because, like, soccer has always been a sport I played my whole life. And I was going to look for him to steal him for my time.

Speaker 7 And he was like, come with me. And then we walked out to the front and he set up these two

Speaker 7 soccer nets and had a soccer ball waiting there. And it was just the cutest thing.
We played like 1v1, and it was so funny. I'm in heels, and I'm like, no, no, no, these heels are coming off.

Speaker 6 Like, you were playing a real game.

Speaker 7 I loved that. And then the rocks, too, when he gave me the rocks after our group date, that was very meaningful.

Speaker 3 Are we going to see you on the beaches of paradise? If you get asked, will you say less?

Speaker 7 If I get asked,

Speaker 7 I really am looking for a husband.

Speaker 3 I'm not doing anymore.

Speaker 7 And I heard the success rate is very, um, very good there.

Speaker 3 Bachelor in Paradise is fun, but I don't know if I would go there like for a husband. She said the success rate's high.
I guess it is pretty good.

Speaker 1 I guess it's higher.

Speaker 3 It's higher. Definitely higher.

Speaker 1 It definitely is higher.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And like you see some of those success stories too.
I mean, currently, I mean, for me right now, it's

Speaker 7 Hannah and Dylan. Like that is very,

Speaker 7 that's inspiring.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Kaylin and Dean.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're paradise and happily married. Ashley and Jared.
Ashley and Jared. Aware of their success stories.
They remind us every day.

Speaker 1 They do.

Speaker 3 They do remind us every single season of how much success they've had. How much success they've had.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you so much for your time. Sorry it ended so shortly.

Speaker 3 And maybe we'll see you on the beaches of paradise.

Speaker 7 Yes. Thank you again for having me.

Speaker 3 And thank you. All right, take care.
Say hi to your cat. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Say bye. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 Well, she seemed lovely, and I wish her well. Maybe we'll see her in paradise.
I hope she gets every single rock she has ever dreamed of.

Speaker 3 It sounds like she really hated Carolina and didn't want to say it. Hey, we tried.

Speaker 1 Should we jump to Summer House?

Speaker 3 Summer House. Summer House looks like it's going to be entertaining.
Summerhouse does look very good.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 4 So good.

Speaker 1 I'm locked in.

Speaker 3 Lindsay's whole rundown of like, so season one, I did this, not season two.

Speaker 1 So there's two new girls. So let me explain to you why it was very much like, and Nick said this, Lindsay's pregnant.
Oh, let's bring in two 25-year-olds to like even out the like playing field.

Speaker 1 And even Jesse being like, There's a pregnant woman here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, they're bringing in another guy.

Speaker 1 No, I do love it because it's kind of like when Jersey Shore did that with Snookie, I think was pregnant during, and you're just kind of like, So, how is this gonna go?

Speaker 1 And I asked Nick, I said, I wonder,

Speaker 1 I wonder, there is no winning, there is no good answer. What is gonna happen this summer of Summerhouse?

Speaker 1 So, the next summer, next season, it's one thing to does she have her baby bedside in a bassinet with her

Speaker 1 or does she leave the baby at home with dad or with nanny to like go party in the hamptons for a weekend it's a lose neither neither are good it's a lose lose i know what's happening lindsay is gonna go to roni

Speaker 1 roni

Speaker 3 didn't they say they were canceling roni they're casting roni yeah they're so maybe

Speaker 3 i don't know but like natalie makes a great point and it's a great question and it's one that does have, it has no good answer.

Speaker 3 It's one thing to show up pregnant and our last memory is you ending a relationship with your fiancé who's also on the show. And obviously very compelling TV if I'm the Bravo producers.

Speaker 3 I'm doing everything I can to make sure Lindsay shows up with baby in the oven, you know, to confront Carl. Next summer, she has a child.

Speaker 1 Like you can't have a baby sleeping and Kyle trying to be a DJ in the same house. You just can't.

Speaker 3 And every summer, Thursday through Sunday, she's just going to peace out. Guess how?

Speaker 1 Well, my argument to that was even when West and Jesse were talking about like sharing a bedroom and Connor was watching with me and he was just like, why would they choose to do this? This is weird.

Speaker 1 And I was like, well, it is only for a weekend. It's two nights out of the week.

Speaker 1 So Lindsay very well could come down, maybe not every weekend, but leave her baby at home, come hang out for a night two nights.

Speaker 3 Sarah, we're not asking, this is not like a round table of like, how do we figure this out? How can Lindsay execute this?

Speaker 1 We're producing what is Bravo Nation going to eat her alive for? And it's one of those two. And

Speaker 1 there are bad answers.

Speaker 3 Yes, of course she can do it.

Speaker 1 Takes off the summer. I think that's her only option of scathing past.

Speaker 3 She can bring her kid to the Kyle DJ house or like every weekend.

Speaker 3 Also, again, like, I don't know what Lindsay, how Lindsay enjoys or like, I don't know what Lindsay's relationship with her child or what motherhood's been like for Lindsay. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 But like, isn't this like the problem with people in general? Like, how somebody chooses to like be a mother if they go away for a weekend?

Speaker 3 That doesn't mean that they're negligent to their children every weekend

Speaker 3 not be there every weekend she could play gabby she's not always there like she could listen

Speaker 3 you're right

Speaker 3 all the time in the context of a working woman and the but but the problem with this show is bravo just obsessively likes to pretend this isn't their job you know that this is a choice of people just like for whatever reason getting together and they're friends and they just every thursday night drive out to the house and party like fucking rock stars and drive back.

Speaker 3 And Bravo wants to like critique Carl about like in like Lindsay, Lindsay literally lecturing Carl about not having a job and he needs a job all pretending that he's not a TV star and that this isn't his job.

Speaker 3 And to Nally's point, like Bravo Nation kind of buys into this narrative for the most part. You know, they're just like, what is your job? Because it's not a TV star.

Speaker 3 And so this, the optics are just fucking brutal.

Speaker 3 And like, even for the working ladies out there, yeah, it's a tough choice that every woman and every parent has to face of a very difficult challenge if they have a job that

Speaker 3 takes them away from their kid potentially three to four days out of the week. That's hard on any parent and any child.

Speaker 1 Because it's also not a regular job. It's going and partying and drinking and fighting and staying up late and this and that.
And like, I think Bravo Nation is going to be like, really?

Speaker 1 This is what you left your kid at home to do? Like, I think they're going to have a problem with that. And she's not drinking this summer.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, all the girls are in bed bed by 10 30 that are her age so i'm also kind of like it's not like page and everyone like get in the car and let's go to hampton's night one definitely but it does seem to get crazy in the trailer it seems to really

Speaker 3 she's in a tough pickle to like it's it's not an easy choice for lindsay all i'm saying it's just not an easy choice i'm interested to see what she does yeah

Speaker 3 but what do we think of the new girls seem fun i know lexi was dating brooklyn beckham was she really yeah i saw clips and people were saying people were saying she like downgraded by coming on summer

Speaker 3 Which I don't know if

Speaker 3 she was dating Brooklyn Beckham.

Speaker 1 He is married. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, regardless of that, but like Brooklyn Beckham is like...

Speaker 1 A Beckham.

Speaker 3 It's like Hollywood royalty in a way.

Speaker 1 And now she's with Jesse.

Speaker 3 Listen, I mean, no disrespect to Jesse. Love Jesse, but like, you know, us reality TV stars don't get the same clout.
No. As

Speaker 3 some of the

Speaker 1 mom is a spice girl and whose dad is like one of the best soccer players in the world.

Speaker 3 And one of the honesty is that

Speaker 3 on the line.

Speaker 3 One of like the most sought-after celebrities

Speaker 3 in the past 30 years, 20 years. And he's the oldest son of this beautiful family.

Speaker 1 What was the reaction?

Speaker 3 What did Bravo World, is it Bravo Nation, Bravo World?

Speaker 1 What do they refer to themselves?

Speaker 3 Bravo Sphere. Bravo Sphere.

Speaker 1 What did Bravo Sphere think of the two new girls?

Speaker 3 I think people love Lexi. She's pretty.
She's like flirty.

Speaker 3 But I mean, it's only one episode of her. I don't think people are really talking about the other friend.

Speaker 1 I mean, right now, yeah, I'm more focused on Jesse being obsessed with Lexi than I am about Lexi at the moment.

Speaker 3 How is Sierra and Lexi going to get along?

Speaker 1 It doesn't look like it's going to go well

Speaker 3 because you have two just like very traditionally like beautiful women by like anyone's standards, both like seemingly successful models.

Speaker 3 And so far, Sierra has like.

Speaker 1 Sarah's also a nurse. Let's let us not forget.

Speaker 3 I will say in the teaser, her making out or doing who knows what with Jesse Solomon is random.

Speaker 1 It was a flirting, and Lexi was like, seriously, he's flirting with her right now. And then it came to like, I don't trust you or whatever.

Speaker 3 Because aren't they also like dancing in the teaser together? And then I could have seen a makeout.

Speaker 1 I might have made that up in my head, but I didn't see a makeup, but I'm just like, Jesse pays her all of the compliments, tells her how hot she is, like whatnot.

Speaker 1 That's just part of Jesse's personality. And I also feel like Lexi probably single Jesse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I think Lexi probably thinks that Jesse's fully committed to something that he's not, but he's also just like a playful person.

Speaker 3 This is giving all the makings of Wes and Sierra from last season. Like Jesse's in love.
He's obsessed with her. He's like out there.
I'm going to marry this girl.

Speaker 3 Episode one, he's like, I'm going to date this girl.

Speaker 1 Which I think Sierra and Wes both have a conversation with Jesse being like, hey, bro, maybe like not so soon. It is the first day.
Let's pull it back a little bit.

Speaker 3 First day or not, but at some point, Jesse's going to continue to get to know Lexi. And I'm sure, like everyone, he's going to like.
learn some things he likes and some things he doesn't like.

Speaker 3 Right now, he's just obsessed with how hot she is.

Speaker 1 He does think she may be Ditzy. Potentially.
He does think she may be Ditzy.

Speaker 3 But doesn't care. Yeah.
Still wants to sleep with her.

Speaker 1 I do feel like whatever is going to happen is going to be based off of Jesse's actions and not clarifying things.

Speaker 1 And somehow it's going to end up Lexi and Sierra are fighting because of Jesse's actions, never having to take responsibility for being in the middle of it. And that's exactly kind of Wes's shit.

Speaker 1 Wes takes zero accountability for what he did leading Sierra on, but then the second day is ready to move on.

Speaker 3 But why is Sierra going to fight with her? Is that the big question?

Speaker 1 Because Lexi's going to be upset with Sierra based off of Jesse's actions. And Sierra's going to take the brunt of it because that's what fucking happens.

Speaker 1 It's going to be the two women pit against each other when Jesse, all Jesse has to say is, oh, I'm not that serious about you. Or I'm just messing around with my friend.

Speaker 1 But it's going to be two girls fighting over the mis communication based off of one woman.

Speaker 3 Guys fight over women too. Like, you know.
No.

Speaker 1 And stars are not. They don't get pitted against each other.

Speaker 3 They don't get to say something obvious.

Speaker 1 They don't get pitted against each other in the same way that women do. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Like, Lexi would have zero reason to be mad at at Sierra if she's the one who's like, if like Jesse's the one who should take we don't even know what happened yet.

Speaker 3 We'll see. We'll see.
And we will

Speaker 3 know which side you all will be on for sure. This teaser is wild though, because we also have Carl potentially talking to a girl and then Paige saying she caught Craig.

Speaker 1 So I mean the talking to the girl was like, so you're interested in lemurs or like whatever. Like you look like lemurs so you like lemurs.
That was what we saw of Carl talking to a girl.

Speaker 1 It did not seem like he is like getting his swag back.

Speaker 3 I mean, listen, he has been off the market for a year. He's a, he's just, he's rusty, yeah, he's just getting his confidence back.
Forget about his swagger, he's just getting his mental health back.

Speaker 3 He was so real when he walked in. He's like, I'm afraid I don't want to walk in there.
And the producer's like, well, it's normal. Like, you can.
And he's like avoiding at all costs.

Speaker 1 Having the massive ultrasound poster board that on the mantle.

Speaker 1 That was so funny.

Speaker 3 Love. It was so funny.

Speaker 1 What did Paige say about it? She was just like, Lindsay, I love her.

Speaker 3 Also, Wes, um wes immediate like do we know dad do we what's the baby's last name baby's do we know last name don't you dare we're not doing this right now and and and was it paige that was like you can go up there and ask her i'm gonna have to go say dare you to go ask her right now and he does i love wes actually it was really funny i love all of them me too they're all they're all great i'm just meeting these people and i like all of them very much yeah they're all great do you think do you think jesse and lexi will be together at the end of the season no no no they won't

Speaker 3 do you know do you think either of them will feel a certain way about it? Yes. Yes.

Speaker 3 Do you think Lexi will be very upset with Jesse?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't think anything will affect Jesse.

Speaker 3 And Lexi will have a cold.

Speaker 3 It's going to be

Speaker 3 just like last season. Same shit, different thought.

Speaker 1 Kyle is trying to be a more respectful husband, so he's coming home at 2 a.m. instead of 4 a.m.

Speaker 3 Can you imagine being four years old and having and needing a pet on the back for being in bed by 2 a.m.? Congratulations, sir.

Speaker 1 You are doing the bare minimum.

Speaker 3 He's trying the season, though. I know I said finally.

Speaker 3 Even when he was like, you know, I had to like really give her time for her friends and like reinforce her doing what she wants to do i was like okay this is what we needed yeah stop thinking about yourself and take a step back and like look at what your wife needs

Speaker 3 i i'm not i'm not criticizing the any relationship aspect of it i'm just like blown away that a 40 year old has the desire i think he said he's almost 42 to parties stamina even then my favorite is that he like only came home like 10 minutes before the next taxi that was really you all that's quite that's not on him i came home before all the guys that is not on him though.

Speaker 3 In his defense, like, you know, sometimes when one person leaves a party, the other guys are like, well, maybe we should just go.

Speaker 1 I did love how, as soon as he walked in that room, Amanda shot up and checked her phone for what time it was and then was instantly like, I'm annoyed at you.

Speaker 3 Ow, ow, ow.

Speaker 1 Because you know, he put his hand on the bed and it pulled her hair. Like, you know, it was right on her hair.
And she's like, get out of it.

Speaker 3 Why is he sleeping naked? Oh my gosh. That's a really good question.

Speaker 3 He always does. He's always been naked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're asking why he's sleeping naked. Yeah.
You told me you hated my pajama pants. So, and now you're like criticizing a man for sleeping naked.

Speaker 3 Wow. Damn.
Damn. Gotcha.
She

Speaker 1 sit in that. And shit got silent over it.

Speaker 3 A pair of pants she has.

Speaker 3 Not a pair.

Speaker 1 You said the entire collection last night.

Speaker 3 Oh, because I said last night.

Speaker 1 You said the entire collection. You don't get to judge the snacks.

Speaker 3 What do you not like about them? Okay.

Speaker 5 Thank you. What was wrong with the

Speaker 5 pants?

Speaker 3 What was wrong with them? Plenty of clothes. They just.

Speaker 1 He wants me to wear, he wants me to wear thigh-hide lingerie wired oh yeah to sleep yeah yeah yeah um cutouts on the vagina and like nipple feathered feathered heels yes feathered heels wants easier access he wants you to look like he wants me to wear ashless chaps he wants me he wants you to look like liza men wear a naughty nurse outfit anything but pjs is it because of the body like touching because that's valid that's valid regardless of who you are

Speaker 3 i want you to define body touch like skin to skin contact like if someone's bundled up, I'm like, why am I in bed with you? You know?

Speaker 1 Oh, please. I'm like, please do not touch me.

Speaker 3 They're just not for me. Let's just be clear.
They're not there for her. Literally, that's what I said.

Speaker 3 You can't win. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's how you win the game.

Speaker 3 Southern Charm.

Speaker 1 Southern Charm.

Speaker 3 I'm just reminded of just how unserious most of these guys are, but in particular, Shep. Yeah.
Ugh. This episode was painful.

Speaker 1 The fact that he doesn't realize that she fucking hates his guts is like the craziest thing. Have some self-awareness.

Speaker 3 She's just not that into into you, my guy. At all.
Dude, Lululand. Do you think he's playing into it?

Speaker 1 No. No, I think he's trying to just like, I don't know.
I think he feels like the love of his life, he let go with Taylor.

Speaker 1 And I think he's trying to like overcompensate with this new relationship, acting like he has his shit together. And I did ayahuasca, and now I'm a healed person, and now I know what love is.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he really fucked up with Taylor.

Speaker 1 Really did. And then I'm like, yeah, the fact that like going to another country to go see your partner and them not being at the airport for you, like that tells you everything you need to know.

Speaker 3 She left the room when he was changing. You

Speaker 1 left the room. He's like, What do you his face? Like, what do you mean? You've seen me change.
She's like, Yeah, meet me downstairs. I need space.

Speaker 3 I do. He's like, Space.

Speaker 3 When you gotta tell your girlfriend, when you have to remind your girlfriend that you've changed together, and she's like, Ew.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. So I'm gonna see you downstairs.

Speaker 3 Woof. That was crazy.
But that's almost like the problem with this for Shep is it's like, you know, he's been used to being like his kind of like, I don't get it, like his aloofness.

Speaker 3 At times, it can be like almost charming and it really has charmed the pants out of a lot of people

Speaker 1 but like the problem is he's now how 40 i think i know he's the same age as jack's oh my god

Speaker 3 how old is it age 44. he's

Speaker 3 he is like the trust fun baby version of he's 44 right and so like and it's just like yeah in a relationship that a like unserious person is like what you saw with with taylor where it's just like nothing was that serious anytime she wanted to have a serious conversation it was like what's the big deal like nothing was serious.

Speaker 3 Like, and that's got to feel so fucking frustrating in a relationship with someone at this point of his, in his life. Like, I love the way Shep, Craig, and Austin take care of each other.

Speaker 3 Like, it really is charming. Like, that friendship, those three guys, like, that is something special that they have.
It does evolve, though, and they do need to grow up.

Speaker 3 And like, you really see Shep in this like stage of his life where you have Craig. Trying his ass to grow up, like trying his best to grow up.

Speaker 3 Like, we'll see if he continues to do so after like post-page life. Austin, not so much.

Speaker 3 Shep, I don't know, somewhere in between, but yeah, he's just kind of an unserious person that like, I think is really starting to catch up with him at this stage of his life because it's kind of getting to the point where it's just like, bro, you, you kind of have to be, you're 44, you're be serious about something, about anything, pick something, be a little serious about something.

Speaker 3 And he's just so unserious about everything.

Speaker 1 I also think him being forced to cut back on his drinking based off of like Bravo Con and his friends not talking to him anymore.

Speaker 1 I think that he can no longer mask his bad behavior with his drinking or going out or blaming it on that. So it's also kind of like, yeah, you're now being forced to like look at yourself.

Speaker 1 What do you prioritize? And unfortunately now you're prioritizing the relationship Taylor wanted with you with a girl who literally wants nothing to do with you.

Speaker 3 That's human nature.

Speaker 1 You know, if had I known then what I know now, and it's just like, unfortunately, Sienna's not the one.

Speaker 1 But also it kind of seemed like Taylor was a lot more interested about Shep's and Sienna's relationship than I would be.

Speaker 3 I definitely wouldn't be calling my grandmother discussing it. Taylor fucking died when she realized that she wasn't into Shep, his girlfriend.

Speaker 3 Sienna. Sienna.
Yeah. Because like first, she was like, she thought she was like having his new girlfriend's back.
You're like, oh,

Speaker 1 it's probably you.

Speaker 3 You probably, you got to do something.

Speaker 3 And then all Austin and Craig were like, no, honestly, she's playing him for a fool. And then when she realized that like Shep's chasing this girl, she died inside.
You could tell. It like broke her.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. He's also flirting with Molly now.
Or maybe not flirting, but like the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Shep.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So badly.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like, that's the next season storyline is them together, right?

Speaker 1 Next season, next episode.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm saying, like, they're like, true. She's done with Cienna.
That's true. They are broken up in my head now.

Speaker 1 And we are in Bahamas. So if you need a shoulder to cry on in a bikini, it could be Molly.
And Molly's really cool. Molly deserves better than Shep to me, though, honestly.
I mean, who knows?

Speaker 1 Healed Shep wouldn't be so bad.

Speaker 3 When is Shep getting healed, though?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but I was just saying. Like, Molly just wants to play.
Like, she wants to listen to music. She wants to play her horn.

Speaker 3 Shep needs to, like, yeah, honestly, Shep needs to get broken. He needs to be broke by somebody, like a girl, a woman.

Speaker 1 Was he not broken by Taylor and Bravocon and his friends and the drinking? Like, did that not break him enough?

Speaker 3 We need to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 He broke is kind of like the final, like, shove the dagger in. Like, it's like, bro, you can't even.

Speaker 3 He needs to be willing to be serious about something and vulnerable about something.

Speaker 1 He's a mailbox money kid, though, so that's where I'm also kind of like, he can like start a bar tomorrow. And if it fails, no worries.

Speaker 1 But if he does great, just more money coming into his mailbox from his family.

Speaker 3 He's rich. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Trust Fun Baby.
Like there's an entire town that they were just in earlier for the Derby that's named after his like great-great-grandfather or some shit.

Speaker 3 Isn't that what Patricia was like, or Miss Pat was like, Sienna goes after rich men?

Speaker 1 Well, she apparently matched with Whitney.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So that's where

Speaker 1 she checks out.

Speaker 3 She's just always, she lives in the Bahamas and is mashing with people in South Carolina. Or goes to parties with all like the rich men.
She's clearly on Raya. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she's claimed that her grandmother was the biggest fan of Southern Charm and somehow she ends up matching with Whitney and Shep and she went on Instagram claiming that she didn't know who either of these people were.

Speaker 3 Well that's why that's why she didn't change in front of Shep. She didn't want Gam Gam to see her watching Nick and Man on camera.

Speaker 3 Sure, that's where she is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, what was it? Seraphina?

Speaker 1 Was it Serafina and The Bachelor was like, when she was like, I'm not not interested in you, my mom just like is watching this show and I feel weird kissing in front of her.

Speaker 3 Because Grant was like, you know, like, I just want to dress. Like, I feel like you're a little apprehensive.
But kissing me and she's like, she's like, no, I don't get off my TV screen.

Speaker 3 I don't need your self-awareness or I don't, I don't care about mom or grandma. Like, if you're not here to play fucking, this is the pros.

Speaker 3 This is reality TV. This is ABC the Bachelor.
This is Bravo.

Speaker 1 I mean, clearly she's like very much a fan of this show. She tried Whitney first.
Didn't work. Now on to Shep.
Easy access, right in. She like,

Speaker 1 you know, she's a fan of the show, but

Speaker 3 not a fan of Shep. Yeah.
All right. Well, thank you guys for listening, and thank you to our guests, Kazzy, David, David from Love is Blind, and Parisa from The Bachelor.

Speaker 3 We are back tomorrow for an amazing episode of Going Deeper with Alesia Cara. She has her new album out, Love and Hyperbole.

Speaker 3 It's a great album, but we have an even better conversation with her about just what she's been up to, kind of her break from music that she's taken, why she's back, her music in general.

Speaker 3 Just a lovely human being, and an even better conversation. That is tomorrow on Going Deeper.

Speaker 3 And then on Thursday of Reality Recap, we have Denise Richards and Chris Stauss joining us talking about, Denise talking about her new hit show on Bravo, Chris talking about her exit from Traders, that and so much more.

Speaker 3 We'll see you all then. Bye.