E886 - Traitors & SNL50 w/ Cazzie David, Love Is Blind w/ Dave, Summer House Premiere & Valentine's Day

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Learn more at ov.coop and taste the difference. what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick i hope you all had a very wonderful valentine's day Always had to emphasize the N.
Yeah, he does struggle with that. I have to think of the letter N.
I mean, I would say for 30 some years, I had no idea. What was going on the first? Just thought it was that.
I just said Valentine's. But your name is Nick.
Why do you have to think about the N? Yeah, you're not like, hey, everyone, I'm Mick. I would say for 30 plus years, I just really didn't know it was Valentine's.
Mick Vile? Really? Why do I give a fuck how it, first of all, we all know I can't spell. Oh, my God.
Yeah, I'm triggered. Yeah, you're coming at me right now.
It's Monday. What did you get for Valentine's Day? Oh, my God.
I had this lovely Valentine's Day package, little basket that my wife got me. What was in the basket? Oh, my God.
So many things. I had this really nice sweater shirt that natalie asked you know when natalie says do you want to do you want to open a gift early that means i should ask to open a gift early because she wanted me to wear it for

our interview we went to new york over the weekend do an interview our going deeper guest this week

alessia cara very excited about that very excited uh alessia had a new album drop on valentine's

day her album love and hyperbole is out it's an amazing album anyways we got to sit down with her

I'll let you know. Very excited about that.
Very excited about that. Alessia had a new album drop on Valentine's Day.
Her album Love and Hyperbole is out. It's an amazing album.
Anyways, we got to sit down with her. Alessia, obviously, she won a Grammy back in like 2017-ish, something around that.
She's had a very great career. She's been kind of quiet lately and kind of like under the radar.
She went on a MIA. Yeah, took a little break from music.
Anyway, she's back better than ever, and we got to sit down with her. So that is our Going Deep Around Wednesday.
But anyways, we were in New York, and I got to wear my Valentine's Day gift. Now I got flowers when we got back from New York.
Yeah, when we got back from New York. Yeah, I got flowers.
Honestly, it was better than... We had a wonderful Valentine's Day.
No, what's funny, though, is that... I was so busy.
I haven't even had time to post a Valentine's Day I love you message to my wife. Oh, my God.
You haven't let fucking know We love each other? I haven't let them know I've been too busy being in love They're gonna forget The question is, did you ask Natalie to be your Valentine? I think at some point I kind of like Joked about it Is that a thing? Is that a thing? I guess Connor you be mine? Yeah, Connor asked me like five days before Valentine's Day over cookies. Oh, what a romance.
Romantic. Well...
Isn't that the point of being married? No, because you know what? I have to go in there on like on a Tuesday before Valentine's Day and be like, I hope she says yes. No, it's funny because Nick was like, let's find...
We went shopping after our interview and he's like, let's find you like a Valentine's Day gift.

Well, first we stopped at a friend and then after we stopped at a friend, we were walking on the street and we saw Meg Ryan just walking.

We did see Meg Ryan.

It was very cool.

It was a very cool celebrity sighting.

And then after that, Nick was like, let's find you a vet.

And I'm like, okay.

So we're like, he's like, no, not like that.

Not a purse.

Not anything like that.

So then anything that I i anything i looked at

he's like do you want that for valentine's day do you want what about um that light bulb do you want that for valentine's day oh do you want that for valentine's day that's what you want that for valentine's day i'm like i'm just touching it i'm just seeing if it's soft it's like but do you want it for valentine's day but anytime you stood in front of the luxury window he was like yeah nope keep it moving. we were supposed to go to peter luger for um dinner valentine's day night which is the place that nick rejected me at which i said this on my instagram story and i got so many people being like what he rejected you what are you serious tell this story and i'm like we've definitely told it at nauseam but like we got new, you know? For sure.
For sure. But I think that place in particular, because we both remember it so vividly of us sitting down at this restaurant in New York City.
We were at dinner and we were finishing dinner and I was like, so, no, I really think we should date. And I was like, absolutely not.
No, that's when I said I was in love with you. Or I was falling in love with you.
I think I'm starting to fall in love with you. She was starting the process.
She was on her first one starting the process she was on her first one-on-one I was starting to fall what did you say that's great can we get some more bread he said we'll get the check yeah it wasn't like no but I definitely zigged and zagged I pulled a west how do you get out of this yeah he definitely was zigging and zagging and so it kind of is um a triggering place for me so's not true. We were like, you know what? It's triggering now because she doesn't like the way the steaks prepared.
It's only because we went there when I was pregnant as like, let's go again to the place where you rejected me for fun memory sake. And the steak was a little too staking.
And my pregnancy self was like, I see the cow. I see it mooing at me so i won't be able to eat that i just love of like all the steakhouses and restaurants in new york city that you just keep going back to this one being like we will rewrite this memory and you will love this place honestly i wish we would have gone there so you could have asked me to be a valentine's and i could have said no that would have been really cool that would have been really well instead we got a rezzo at an italian restaurant like near our hotel we went to serafina lovely amazing i was like let's just walk down there it's fine it's quick it's a block now but nally and i like to walk the streets of new york and shop and we decided to go to one of our favorite pizza places uh that's near a hotel that we often stay at that we didn't stay at uh this time and so I'm curious, how trashy is this? Maybe this could be our dealing dilemma.
Are you kidding me? I'm losing my mind. It was New York.
It was cold. It was Valentine's Day.
Like, it's cold. And we got a couple slices at this little corner pizza place.
So there's not a lot of space. There's no chairs.

They have a little bar area against the windows.

So we got the pizzas to go.

And we took them across the street to the hotel that we were not staying at.

But we have before.

But we have before.

Several times.

So much so that I'm pretty sure the maitre d' or whatever recognized us.

Concierge recognized us.

And we pretended to be patrons at the hotel.

We ate the pizza inside the lobby while we were warm. And I kept being like,'ll just finish our pizza then we'll go up to our room we'll go up to our room after we finish this pizza in case anyone's listening and then as we were walking out i could feel the concierge staring at us and i was like let's just go back outside and then we'll go back up to our room you're completely in the right thank you you're you're economizing the heat thank you Yeah Thank you It felt adventurous Yeah And a little trashy I've like definitely snuck into a hotel lobby to like pee before and went in a city Yeah that's okay Yeah That's okay It's a lobby I feel like opening up this big pizza box right in front of the elevator I'm like dipping it in ranch Like having a full on sit down restaurant moment And people are like taking their luggage upstairs It It definitely was...
Work smarter, not harder. And then we left.
Yeah. No one said anything.
And no one said anything because I was very vocal about them. We'd go upstairs.
Well, we have a great show lined up for you. Momentarily, our friend, friend of show, Cassie David is joining us.
She has a new movie out called I'll Love You Forever that she wrote and directed. It's a great movie.
We watched it over the weekend. If you love a good breakup film or just a very self-aware relationship movie that kind of pokes holes, makes kind of fun of yourself.
I mean, make no mistake, it is a little triggering and dark. Very dark humor.
It's a dark comedy. If you've been in a kind of a love-bombing type of relationship It might be a little Triggering for you It also has a lot of humor About like Some of the mistakes That we make In relationships Anyways It's really good Kazzy will be with us She's also a huge Traders fan So she'll be talking Some traders with us as well Plus we have Who do we got We got Dave from Love is Blind We got Parisa with us Recently exiled From Bachelor Mansion She's Mansion.
She's with us as well. Even after he brought her some rocks.
He brought her some rocks and then said, get the fuck out. It was a parting gift.
Which is wild. Yeah.
What about those rocks you gave me? I want to make you feel special and kick your ass out. Yeah.
I liked her. I was bummed.
She was one of my favorites. Yeah, after the Chubby Bunny thing, I was like, Chubby Bunny was really cute and a girl who loves her cat, I can always relate to can always relate to.
She was adorable. Also, don't forget to check out Vow Files Plus if you haven't yet already.
Every week, we have our Pop Extra episodes, our weekly conversations about all your favorite pop culture topics we didn't get to talk about in Reality Recap. We really get into the weeds and give some hot, juicy takes there.
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Well, Leia. Leia has.
Leia wants to argue. Leia thinks Craig's milking it.
I agree with Leia. I do.
You're going to agree with whatever Paige does. Yes.
Okay, that's fair. As long as you point that out.
Yeah. I'm team Paige with no reason to back it up.
Okay. I have reasons.
Anyways, for those of you people who don't know, at the end of last week, Sierra from Summer House, also traitors, went on Watch What Happens Live with Lindsay Hubbard to promote Summer House. And on that appearance, Sierra, I don't know if she dealt, like she had Paige's back, which Sierra having Paige's back, I love that.
I love that she's loyal to her friend. She's a ride or die.
She's a girl's girl. She's there to have her friends back.
So that much I do get. But she doubled down on the Craig is supposed to have Paige's back.
He's supposed to deny these rumors about Paige. And she claimed that he's milking it.
And then we watched the Summer House premiere. And at the end of that, which giving like a season preview, they pick up cameras.
We don't know when they pick up cameras, but clearly after they broke up and these rumors started circulating and you have Paige making an accusation on camera, I'm not sure to exactly who, claiming that she caught Craig texting two bitches, as she said, at some point during their relationship. And then we summer house and then sierra's still mad at west for their situationship which i think that just makes sierra a really good friend because she's she's going out of her way to have pages back at the risk of kind of like being a hypocrite i mean the women of summer house very much band together and it's nice i don't know you think she's.
You think she's a hypocrite because she's saying Craig is milking it

while it's been a year of

her and West and she's kind of still like

upset about the situation. Yeah, she's like she

had an on-camera romance

a situationship if you will

definitely some hurt feelings. She seems to be really

upset that West ultimately decided he didn't

like her. Not that West didn't

do things he that maybe he could have

been more sensitive and more caring. We understand that but like, you know, but I think we can acknowledge that we only see a little bit of their relationship and we have no idea what he was telling her.
Same as Paige and Craig. But I what we do know is that Craig and Paige dated for three years and West and Sierra never were even boyfriend and girlfriend.
And if you're going to accuse Craig of milking a breakup, then, you know, it comes acrossical that you're still upset about a situation ship that didn't go the way you wanted. From the show, it seemed like Sierra was more mad about West's press tour, is what it seemed like to me on the show.
Yeah, doing the whole New York Times. Yeah, but what was she really mad at? She was mad at that West saying, and he said this on our show as well, that he didn't really see a future with her.
I think she was mad that he said that publicly. And it seemed like he said it publicly, but he didn't say it to her.
I mean, fine. Again, she has hurt feelings.
She has the right to have hurt feelings, but Craig has hurt feelings. She said Paige didn't.
I'm just saying Paige and Sierra operate like when they're upset and when they're hurt, everyone's supposed to, you know, they're justified to have their feelings. And according to them, when it's the other way around, they're milking it.
How is that a bit hypocritical? So what Sierra said was, she said, Paige didn't cheat on Craig and he knows that. And regardless of whether or not he wants to say, we all know what he's doing.
You know, the Bravo fans love to run with things. And by him not saying anything, he knows exactly what he's doing.
To me, that was clear on his Watch What Happens Live appearance. He was asked point blank, did she cheat? And he basically said, I don't want to talk about like, I don't want to speak to that.
I'm not the one who said it. I was broken up with, etc.
Yeah, he could have just said, no, she didn't cheat. But he did say, I'm not here to defend Reddit rumors.
Like, I'm not going on Reddit and, like, fighting back with anonymous trolls for someone who broke up with me. He's like, I put a statement out on Instagram.
I said, like, we're good. I'm a little blindsided.
I'm heartbroken. But, like, give her love and peace and privacy and give me love and

peace and privacy. And like he wasn't like she really betrayed me and she really like he didn't feed into anything that was going around.
He really said, like, give us our our space and like be kind to each other. I don't know.
I mean, I think that you also have Austin going on Watch What Happens Live. And, you know, he wasn't spreading the rumor, but he wasn't shutting it down either and i think that you know then page they pick up cameras and she says that he was texting two bitches do you think that that gives her the right to like expose that he allegedly was texting two other bitches during their relationship because he didn't i'm just using pages because because he didn't defend these rumors against her.
I think that that might have been too far. But I also like I think that she's defending herself at this point.
Like she's on the defense. Just out of curiosity, why does Paige get Craig's benefit of the doubt? And I only ask this because like my perception of this breakup is that Paige at some point thought she outgrew Craig.
And this is evidenced by like comments that she's made or just like comments she's liked online, you know, like this insinuation that Paige is kind of like wants more someone who's more like in line with her or certainly more compatible with her. And that's fine.
We outgrow people. We move on.
We fall out of love. That's totally fine.
But usually when that happens, and I'm not accusing Paige of anything, but sometimes you have a bit of a wondering eye. When you feel like you've outgrown a relationship, you kind of start looking around.
And again, like that's just human nature. Again, that's not mean she did anything wrong.
That's just like a human thing. And then they break up at some point.
And then some point recently after, she seems to be start dating some guy. Now there's rumors going around about that relationship, about how that ended and blah, blah, blah.
We're not going to, they're all unverified. if you're craig and you start hearing these rumors about you know and all of a sudden you get broken up with and it feels like out of the blue and then you start hearing rumors about maybe people have been talking ahead of time like why should why should craig go out of his way to like say with 100 certainty that he knows page didn't do anything how does he know that that? You know what I'm saying? Sure, of course she would never do that.
Listen, most people who get cheated on, when it happens, they think this could never happen to them, and they think the person who did it would never do it to them. So now that their relationship's over, and she's moved on, and she's holding hands with some other guy, and seeming really close with another guy, which I'm sure to Craig, even if it's been a few months, feels really early.
Why should Craig go out of his way to have her back? And how does he know with absolute certainty that she didn't do anything? Well, he's not going out of his way again. I'm not saying that he should be scouring Reddit and defending her.
I'm just when prompted asked point blank by Andy Cohen did she cheat he could have just been like I don't think so not to my knowledge he his answer was in my opinion very calculated and I agree with Sierra that he knows exactly what he's doing and he knows that Bravo I mean to sit here and say that but fine Paige knows exactly what she's doing too, she's a very smart very sophisticated person so you can't accuse Craig of being calculated and Paige not when Paige picks up cameras and on camera after saying she would never talk bad about Craig, talks bad about Craig and accuses him of cheating again, two people have the just, again, if two people have the right to break up, but like Paige is operating as if she assumes her audience and her fans are going to have her back. And she's kind of acting like she should not in any, like when you break up with someone, you break someone's heart, you're kind of the bad guy.
You're their bad guy. It's not, she's not a bad guy, but like he has the right to be upset with her.
And if anyone's a fan of Craig's because this is a public relationship and they both have fans, like they're allowed to have Craig's back. And Paige is kind of operating like, you know, she didn't do anything wrong.
And I don't think she did anything wrong per se, but she is kind of operating as if like she doesn't need to be careful. She has a right to go out whenever she wants.
she's a free and independent single woman now and that those are all true but when you're in when you're in the public eye and you have an audience you have to sometimes be careful of of the optics regardless of the optics are true or not because people have their opinions and she doesn't give a fuck and that's fine but she wants craig to have her back in the meantime so she wants to go out and operate and she wants to go out in public and go to games and hold people's hands and then when rumors start circulating she wants craig to what stand up and say don't worry she didn't cheat that's fucking insane well say that she actually did she says that she caught craig texting okay to women sure that's all we know what could's true. What do we know about those women? Let's say it was inappropriate.
Let's say she was hiding this because she knows about the optics. She knows about Bravo Nation.
And so she was protecting Craig all this time. And now she's like, well, fuck that.
If he's not going to have my back, I'm not going to have his. Okay, sure.
Now it's getting fine. It's getting messy and spiteful.
But we're still under the impression that Paige outgrew Craig, didn't want to be in that relationship and broke his heart. And we're all acting like Craig.
Sierra having opinion or any of Paige's friends, having an opinion about Craig's feelings and whether it's time for him to just move on is insanity. I disagreeded with how Sierra handled the West thing, fine, because I just felt like she was upset that he didn't like her, but she has the right to feel however she wants.
And if she wants to still be upset, that's fine. To sit there and tell someone you're milking it because your feelings shouldn't be heard anymore.
That's crazy. I just think that the way that a breakup happens is important too, because the way that Wes broke it off with Sierra mattered.
You know, he didn't just not like her. He also was, you know, he let her on.
He let her on. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly. How do you know he let her on? The way that Paige and Craig broke up matters.
And none of us were there. I've heard Wes's version.
And Wes's version is like, he just realized he didn't like her after hanging out with her so there's west's version there's sierra's version and somewhere in the middle there's a truth so yeah you gotta kind of like and a clear disconnect and a clear clear but we do know that they were never dating and we do know early on that west made it very clear that he has like you know commitment issues there's that yeah but i'm sorry you and i got into it last time about this we don't need to rehash it but i'm like i i'm sorry but it's like there's some iota of responsibility where it's like just because you don't traditionally think bringing a girl home and meeting your family and spending holidays and doing and wedding dates and all of that isn't a relationship status to the majority of people it is so west being immature and not saying that to her face And he also knew That if he slept with her

She wasn't gonna sleep with him unless it meant something

And he allowed them to sleep together

And it got in her fucking head

And then he was like

What do you mean? We slept together but I don't even like you

I'm not even here to have Wes's back

I'm just there

Fine and if Sierra has the right to be upset

About Wes I am just saying

It's a little bit much for her To be calling out Craig we already got into that part and then Wes puts a New York Times article out though so who's milking it that was kind of crazy but anyways the other defense I do have I'm just like why are we who's accusing Wes of milking it he did an interview and someone asked him a question about the break no that was not an interview where someone asked him a question that was an entire new york times article based around him and sierra with a conversation he'd never had what was the headline pull up the headline do we have it it was like uh that's being sierra and being the newbie guy and that that he just felt or like that he just wanted to break up with her but it was like a bunch of headlines that they showed. But it's like, no, there's no reason why somebody from a first season on a show is getting a New York Times expose on his relationship storyline.
It made zero sense. The headline was Wes Wilson of Summerhouse discusses his first taste of infamy.
When Mr. Wilson was accused on the reunion of misleading Sierra Miller, his castmate and former romantic romantic interest fan backlash was swift that's the sub that is the entire fucking article okay and then what was the problem he came on here and he talked about it on here which one he did i didn't get to that ours first we're just saying like clearly in this entire group of all of these shows all of these people are pretty hypocritical and every breakup gets really messy And so i don't think there's really a place to take like stand on sides because i it's clear that there's a lot of disconnect between everyone i'm with you i just think you know just i just don't think more than anything we should be like the idea that craig doesn't have the right to be upset and that he is supposed to have pages back after they're broken up regardless of how how page choose to move and operate to me it's nuts but that's nuts yeah my whole thing is just the term milking it claims that it's like we're trying to drag something out i don't know how someone's milking it when they're not really talking about it yeah and it's been like well i mean months so it's, let's give the guy a little bit of time to feel a breakup.

Sierra, was it Lindsay that said the word milking it? I mean, Sierra was insinuating that.

I'm pretty positive it was Sierra that said it. She's the one that has the headlines going about it, too.

Did you see the memes of it?

What's going on?

We can keep this in the episode, but people are saying there's going to be another war in a summer Summer House versus Southern Charm. The two fan bases are pinned against each other.
Sierra and Lexi later on. Oh yeah.
Girl. Yes, Jesse Sullivan being so messy.
Was that in episode one? Teaser. Coming up, Sierra and Jesse are flirting and Lexi is pissed.
Oh, because Jesse's just like's being messy messy Jesse well Jesse is like you know he's friends with Sierra and he's just like he has that friend where you just like I used to be when I was single and I had like girlfriends who were just friends but like you know they were attractive and you'd be like oh you're so hot or whatever yeah oh I'm not gonna look up your skirt but he starts looking at you know he he starts liking another girl and he's still doing the whole you're so hot to his quote-unquote friends well that's why i'm like they're just messy because i'm like usually for me a friend's ex hookup whatever would be off limits but it's like all right west you're done with her let me take a whack at it they're messy in the summer house cera's a little messy all right well i think kaz I think Kazzy David is almost here. So, Kazzy, welcome back.

Hello for girl.

Yes.

Thank you.

Where do you want to start?

Your amazing new movie?

No, I don't want to start with that.

You don't want to start with that?

We already talked about it a little bit.

Yeah, I feel like that's enough.

No.

Do you know Nick Lehman?

Yeah.

He DMed me and was like, I was terrified the entire time, but I couldn't stop laughing. Oh my God.
I love that. I love that.
It's the best thing you can say, for sure. Well, how have you been? Yeah.
I mean, I'm always kind of like weird and bad, but fine. But fine.
Yeah. Okay.
You know, like surviving, hanging in there. How long did it take you to write this movie? I don't actually know like the exact length of time it took us to write because there were a lot of

drafts over the span of a couple years.

But I would say definitely

a couple months to start out

and then probably

a five-year process

trying to get it off the ground and stuff.

That's honestly just the average

I feel like for everyone to make anything.

I don't know how movies are

even made. Yeah, honestly

same.

What inspired you to write this genre of movie? Mainly that I knew so many people who had also gone through something like this. And I just thought it was so ironic that all these rom-coms start out the same way as these textbook abusive relationships.
And why isn't that a movie you know yeah well it's funny because like sometimes you watch these rom-coms where like or like sex in the city is like a show we love watching and then like it's always portrayed in this like very like romantic way that you're supposed to be like oh i want that but when you like kind of take away some of the the shine you're like wait is big kind of like toxic and emotionally abusive potentially like you know when they don't romanticize it and like this movie really kind of leaned into that and i just really love the uh just the self-deprecating humor about like more than anything like how we lie to ourselves in relationships yeah for sure that's great i think it was also it was also spawned from like me being annoyed how like all those terms are online. Like the love bombing, gaslighting, toxic, narcissist.
It just started to really piss me off. And I just kind of wanted to show what it actually means.
I think the line about, I texted him that I had a dream about him and he didn't respond. I was like, the amount of guys I have been like, oh my God, you were in my dream last night.
It's like a really bad pickup line. So bad.
It does not work. My favorite was, if you're not going to go to therapy, at least watch some of the TikToks I sent you.
It was really funny. I deal with the dream thing.
It's like, you know, I actually did have a dream about this person. So it's like weirder to not tell them that i had a dream about them you know yeah but then it sounds like you made it up yeah it's kind of like when you leave something at a guy's place and you're you like don't even want to tell them because it's so cliche to like be like i left something there that is like i'd rather just like leave just leave it yeah even if it's like my favorite belonging like it's too embarrassing to tell them that is so true i meant to leave that i don't want it back you can have it yeah yeah yeah because then it's like well what was the dream about and then you have to be like well i was like in the ocean fighting wolves and then you were there they'll never they'll never ask you what it was about it's like all you want is to be like, well, we like both looked really cute.
We were making out a lot. It was super hot.
So a lot of tone. Yeah.
Like you were loving it. Yeah.
No, you're in love with me. And then you co-wrote and directed it with your friend, Alisa.
Yeah. Yeah.
We've been like writing partners for like 10 years now. And was this your first time directing? Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I directed, I guess, like a web series, which I don't even know if that counts.
I guess it does. But yeah.
So your first future. Definitely like lower stakes.
Were you saying action? You know what? I have a really hard time saying action. Oh no.
So I actually. How are you a director? I know.
So I actually would have the ad yell action it just felt like i don't like i'm not someone who can say action like can we start yet you're like i'm trying to get it out i'm like you know i'm gonna say that thing that people say when you want to start the scene and you guys know what that means so just you know yeah so feel free to just start when you want to um Whenever you're ready. Yeah.
No, not an action person, for sure. That's really funny.
Oh, that's great. Well, the movie is, I know you don't want to keep talking about it.
I'm fine. It's really good, though.
You should be really proud. I love a good rom-com.
There's not enough of them out there today. And I was texting you about this yesterday, but, you know, I think every generation like their breakup movie you know when you're breaking up with someone and you just don't really know how to feel about how you're feeling and you want to connect with something sometimes there's a movie out there that really like kind of like not only speaks to like the pain you're feeling but it calls you out on some of your bullshit for me it was like forgetting sarah marshall you know and i feel like this movie for this generation because it like it does like topically like talk about some of the things that people out there are dating experience and just some of the language people are using whether correct or incorrect and things like that because like you said there's a lot of people out there who have dated people like this or have had relationships like this or have acted that way in these types of relationships and i think it can be very eye-opening and like help people get over that stuff because like forgetting sarah marshall like as great as it was like i was going through a breakup just like that and just to be able to watch that i watched it over and over and like every time i did it helped me like feel good because like he kind of like woke up and like really saw her for who she was throughout that movie um anyway so this is definitely not a feel-good movie no it's definitely it's dark it is very much like it feels like a it does feel like a rom-com for our generation and that was kind of the point the ending is i i loved the end it's very uplifting and it really it's a kind of a like swingers has that ending where it's kind of like aha moment at the end right right anyways congratulations thank you and thanks for thanks for watching it you guys appreciate it really good you can find it on amazon it's available it's out now it's called i love you forever someone did message me and say um i found it and oh my god it's so romantic and i was like girl get help she watched a different movie maybe um it's on apple too it's but yeah anywhere you can like buy a movie it's anywhere you can buy a movie yeah okay snl 50 was last night yeah did you see your dad's um glam bot oh my god first of all i was like i can't believe there's a glam bot at this thing this is like this is a comedian like why is there a glam bot it's like is this is this the Oscars? Yeah, that is.
That was weirdly placed. It was so weird.
The whole first half, I was like, this is so over the top. And then the second half, I got super into it.
And I was like, oh, this is like amazing. Where was like the break for you? Honestly, like, it's so weird because usually in an SNL episode, like everything before update is like better.

And then after update, you know,

they made a joke about it last night,

but you get a little sleepy.

And I felt like the second half of the show was way better than the first half.

Yeah.

But the second half,

it was like bringing back all those people

and those really good sketches.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I love that.

They were great.

And Paul McCartney, like what,

that's the coolest thing ever seeing him perform.

Like, oh my God. That was sick.
It was also cool to see, like, Cher. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you have any? Do you have a question? No. Yeah.
I don't. I don't.
Yeah. I have a lot of answers, though.
So many. I mean, Will Ferrell.
Oh, my God. That was funny.
It's so cool. The prison one.
The prison one. Yeah, that was great.
That's a great sketch. yeah.
Oh, were some of those that, like, I mean, I haven't seen every episode of SNL.

So some of those were, like, iconic, have done before.

I would say most of those sketches have, yeah, are, like, old sketches that.

Cool.

But I think it's, like, once a cast member leaves, like, whose sketch that really was,

like, they don't really do it again.

And so when they come back, you get to see them again.

Did they ask your dad at all to join in anything? You know i don't know i mean just kind of yeah i'm not sure ryan and blake made a little i know that was i thought that was great that was pretty funny really good yeah that's kind of the only way to just um kind of i don't know the word just like diffuse the tension yeah it's like is you have to go on SNL like I was saying

like Drake needs to go on SNL

like

this year

and that's like his

only option

you know

like Drake has like

literally two options

which is like

to fake his own death

or go on SNL

like drop all the lawsuits

and just go on SNL

I was trying to think

like if I was this PR person

like what would I tell him to do

and SNL was the only thing I could think of. It has to be at this point.
Yeah, it was pretty funny. They made an appearance as a couple.
They look great. Justin Baldoni's out surfing in Hawaii, taking pop shots, with a really bad back.
A back that's so bad that apparently he needs to get unsolicited updates on Blake Lively's weight, but he's surfing. Back's doing better.
That's a good point. It's probably because he figured out Blake Lively's weight that his back is doing better.
I have surfed in Hawaii, and it's not nice to your back at all. It's quite a dangerous sport.
Anything else in the SNL that we are trying to think? It was long. It was good, though.
It was really long. It was really long.
Also, I love SNL on a Sunday at 5 p.m. Yeah.
They should just move it. Move it Sunday night.
It was nice. Sunday at 5 watching SNL was great.
It was really great. While you're cooking dinner, it was perfect.
What did you think of the Kim Kardashian skit with Kristen Wiig? like that's an old sketch too. I thought that was hilarious.
I, you don't really, some of them, they're so bizarre. You don't really know why it's funny.
Yeah. And that's not really my humor is when I don't know why it's funny, but I, that one is just like, I was cracking up and I was like, I don't even know why I'm finding someone.
It's so crazy. was great it was great he said i found you a uh wait a helmet and it's like super did you see the outtakes of you know that bit where it was uh will forte and um jason sudeikis and they and will forte was in the um like the elmo costume yeah and they stood up in the crowd there's like outtakes now and they're like uh who played wednesday adams jenna ortega yeah and i guess she was like right next to jason sudeikis and she keeps like dodging his hand movements because like you know it's so small in there and she's just going like this hilarious it's pretty hilarious you go to watch there was also a point of that of like her trying to play a bit of like what the fuck are these people doing here and trying Because I think her and Kevin Costner were doing the same kind of thing.
He was like, let me get my glasses out and put his glasses on. Kev looked hot.
Kev looked hot. I can't ever really remember his face.
So I'm trying to think of who it is. Think of hot.
A hot man. A hot man.
Kevin Costner. It's ringing a bell.
It's ringing a bell. It seemed a lot of random that he was there, though.
I mean, there's a lot of... It was literally the Oscars.
Yeah. It was crazy.
It was kind of weird looking into the crowd as they would pan in the commercials, and everyone was like... I almost wish Lorne had died, so it would justify it a little bit more, you know? I wish this was like, oh, like a celebration of what Lorne has done.
What are we going to do now when he does die?

It's like, we're going to have to do this again?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it'll be a little played out by then.

It was nice to see Zach Galifianakis.

Haven't seen him in quite some time.

Yeah, he's great.

Traitors.

Traitors.

This is what you've been dying to talk about.

Well, I was really dying to talk about it when Boston Rob was still on.

And now that that's passed, I'm so much less invested now. I don't really know who to root for.
I know. And this is interesting because I know on The Bachelor, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but they want to keep certain people around to keep it interesting, right? Yeah.
Like they won't really let. There's some producing.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I like that on traders, You can tell for sure that they don't do that.

They're like, play the game, remove anyone you want to remove.

Short of, we interviewed Rob last week, and he was talking about when he showed up, they had that plan of how they presented them and that or the bringing them back.

Short of how they introduced them and things like that, Yeah, the producers are. Yeah, but that's the thing.
You almost, I can't tell if you, if I want them to pull strings a little bit more because they removed every single strategic person. Yeah.
And without anyone who has like that kind of manipulation skill, it's just less fun to watch

because they're all,

now it's just like a bunch of like chickens

with their heads cut off,

like running around.

Like, I don't really know.

It's like, maybe they'll figure it out.

Maybe they won't.

It's kind of a weird place

when it's like Sam is making the most sense

out of everybody in a round table situation.

You know where Sierra fucked up?

I was thinking about this this morning

because I was like, it just dawned on me. So let me know if I'm wrong okay but she got the shield right yeah and she hit it now some people on her team knew this that she had the shield but if at some point in the round table she would have been like guys i haven't said anything because i'm trying to like sess out a traitor but i have the shield i felt like that would have helped her cause it doesn't make sense that if you're a traitor yeah that you would well a lot of traitors get the shield so they seem less like traitors no not that she had the shield but i'm saying that she hid it from the yeah the traitor yeah that's a really good point she definitely should have some point i feel like she should have owned up to that that would have been a really good case maybe like right before they vote like i actually have the shield the way where she messed up was not pinning it on anyone else directly they had they she gave no one else a like oh well what about she just was like well britney you're sketchy and danielle like you someone else said yeah she had to make the case like the rob would be like you know remember when they did this well they did they did this because, well, you know, he's seeing the moves.

He was so blatant where I was like, I just can't.

These people are so stupid.

I think there's editing, though.

I don't know.

They're just all like, oh, that really does make sense.

And it's like when they got Wes out, which was like, you can take Wes out based on like

a few weird personality traits or Rob with like a mound of evidence. They're like, I think maybe like this guy because he's been a little bit weird.
He's kind of an asshole. Yeah.
I don't like him. Would you do it? You know what? I like, I would.
You should do it. Like, I think I actually would.
Would you? Yes, someday if I can. It's tough with the show.
Would you? Like you guys could both do it. Yeah, that would be fun.
Could you imagine if we both were there and like you were the traitor and I was the faithful you guys should do it together vote you out i had to be like wait i think it's my husband everyone you really got you really should do it together you would be so mad at me if i voted you out oh my god i wouldn't i would that's the thing is you wouldn't have a choice like you'd have to vote well that's that's what's annoying about this game is that like you vote her out and you're like see like i why would i do that and then they're like because you don't want us to see whatever and then it's like if i was a

traitor i would have kicked her out because i want people to know that i'm not a traitor so you can

say anything and it's like it is crazy it's a it's a viable thing kazzy david said she would do your

show you're listening yeah i let's yeah i think soon enough my career will be at a place where i

i should go on traders no traders is elevating kazzy like no exactly it's not you guys your career and that's what i'm saying yeah you're big enough are you oh you're oh you're i'm sorry you're being self-deprecating again i can't keep up back to your like where they should like produce more i do think in the beginning like they should produce with the like murders like they should be able to tell the traders not that like with dorinda Dorinda. Like we don't need to kill Dorinda right now.
Like she's good TV. She's funny.
Let's keep around a little longer. Pick someone else.
Like they could have definitely. They could have.
Yeah. You know.
The fact that we're currently watching Sam whatever and Tom whatever. It's like I just don't.
I wouldn't put that show on. You know like oh like stupid people playing a game like i wouldn't really watch that i do say i would i love sierra i think she is like beyond gorgeous and chic and smart and i love gabby yes and everyone else i'm just kind of like and dylan dylan's sweet and like sometimes he's on the money but other times it's just like it's like so random you know it's like it's so hit or miss the rest of the game players which are what danielle britney and carolyn they're just yeah they're not good enough game players to make you feel like and sometimes i'm really rooting for the traders you know like i because they have the hardest job in the whole show for by far so you kind of are like hoping the best for them I feel like the traders have the best chance to go like I think if you're a trader you're almost guaranteed to go a little far you have better odds to go further but it's almost impossible to win I feel like yeah yeah yeah that's interesting were CT and Trishel faithful? No, they were both faithful.
Okay. Also MJ.
Yeah. I knew she was.
They did hurt her. They really did.
Oh my God, MJ. Yeah.
Justice for MJ. What happened? They turned out...
They sold her out. They voted out Kei Chastain and then they were like, oh, let's do another person.
They're going to split three ways and they're like, actually, no. Yeah.
But it's like, I'm not really rooting for danielle or carolyn i just don't really care i mean them fighting every turret meeting where it's just like yeah y'all might as well just rock paper scissors it's a disaster it's a disaster but what do you guys think they're gonna do do you think they're gonna recruit someone and and if they were to like what is the smart thing for them to do at this point well right so it ended with him fighting about that britney right yeah about britney danielle wants britney and i think the smart move is to try to recruit someone yeah because like danielle said i mean you want to be able to throw someone they're pretty confident it's a it's one of the traitors is at least one woman they're right about that their only traitors are two well the the thing is like Danielle's playing an emotional game right now where it's

like,

it would actually make the most sense to have Brittany in,

not because she's your best friend,

but because people are already looking at her as a traitor that I'm like,

if they do vote her out in the next round table and she became a traitor,

then it looks like you guys are actually onto something or we got one of the

two women that we're thinking are traitors out.

But Danielle wants Brittany on as a traitor,

as like a, as a teammate. And that's not going to work if you're trying to protect her like carolyn ultimately like is right to not trust that situation even though i'm like that is your only option i think well see i think caroline's making an emotional decision as well because it's just more like she's just kind of like you lied to me fuck you like she's Like, she's just like, I can't trust you.
They both need to compromise. I think Caroline should compromise and invite someone in, like try to seduce a faithful, but that person should be Gabby.
I just don't think any, like any of them are really going to help their game that much, is the thing. Yeah.
I think Gabby could do it. Gabby's the only, Gabby's really the only option.
Yeah. Gabby, if Gabby wanted to put The gamer hat on She could totally do it She could have fun with it too And now because like you know Chrishell's gone All the Bambi girls are gone So if you're Gabby you're like fuck it I have no loyalty to anyone here Like why not Wasn't it that if you get recruited though And you say no do you get murdered i don't think so no no but like there's always a choice of like do you say something do you not say something yeah because they're going to tell that you know they will say well because no one will get murdered right if you get seduced someone no one's murdered so they'll find out no one's murdered and then like they'll be like oh well someone got seduced or Or like.
Seduced. Seduced, recruited, whatever.
I don't know. That's what I said.
Someone had sex. We don't know who it was.
I don't know. It's not a hassle, you know? Yeah.
But it is simultaneously like it started out as like the best season and the worst season that there's been. I feel like.
Why the worst? Because the traitors are fighting. Because of what's.
Yeah. Because of just like how they played and like who the traitors were.
What did you think of Tom Sandoval in the dollhouse?

I mean, that was just like incredible TV.

Like that was so funny.

There was not one ounce of him that thought it was like funny or a joke.

He was like, this is the most serious thing I've ever done.

No, everything he does is 100% serious.

When he was running, holding that tune.

Like as if that does anything, yeah. Does that even do anything? Say what you want, but I'm like, it's making him more endearing in my eyes.
I'm not going to lie. The fact that like, A, they would not have gotten through that challenge without him.
Yeah. Being so like.
No, listen, I have a soft spot for Tom. He's growing one during this whole process You have a soft spot for him Because you realize how truly stupid he is I have no choice But to feel bad for this person He's an imperfect person He's only capable of so much Yeah he isn't capable of more Than what he has done Part is I can't Part of it is, like, he can't be that mad at him because, like, he can't be that evil.
He's not capable of it. Yeah.
Well, you know, he's too stupid to even know what he's doing is that evil. Like his statement at the round table about the, like, what did he say? Also, generally speaking and historically, girls are better cheaters than guys just because they have better social skills.
He was like, I didn't mean it like that. I'm a traitor.
He's like, no, for sure. Guys cheat more.
I would know. Guys cheat more.
So dumb. All my favorite people are gone.
And even the people I hated. Like I did want Boston Rob out, but I'm now mad he's gone because I'm just.
But at a certain point, it was like all of them and just Boston Rob. It was like, this is just a cult.
We're just watching one person, like one smart person manipulate. Because it is like if he would have lasted another round table would have been like, OK, like y'all have to be so fucking stupid.
Like, seriously, it's been like four rounds of a round table where it's Boston Rob and someone else. And like, it's not not interesting there needed to be like derrick's still there you make a good point and that's that's i think that shows a weakness of the show the gamers were there to like focus on tv and that's why rob was speaking up and that's why like bob the drag king was speaking up because like they wanted to make tv but no one else would say anything so they had like too much attention on there, too much heat.
What I will say though,

it's not even just about TV, but like for the sake of the game,

like mafia isn't fun when it's just like actually a bunch of idiots and like

one person just being like,

this is easy.

Yeah.

If you play mafia,

like you need people who are good at the game.

But also the game players are so used to like competing for like a final

prize and having like an incentive where you have the housewives and whatnot that are just like paid for drama but like they don't know how to get to like the final round for some of them this is their first game they've ever played so it's like to your point the gamers are like know how to be strategic to get to the end but like a lot of the housewives and people are like well i don't really know well phaedra was the oneedra was the, one of the best traders ever. Lawyer.
Yeah. Yeah.
But like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, there's just some people who have those skills.
Yeah. Would you want to be a trader or a faithful? A faithful.
I would never want to be a trader. Oh my God.
Why? Yeah. Isn't it obvious? It's like, I don't want to feel like I've murdered someone.
And like the cops are after me, like every single day. You'd be crying every breakfast.
You'd be tough though because you have a very constant energy. I think I would get out quickly because people would think I'm a traitor even though I...
The whole like your energy is weird. Yeah, I would totally get out for bad energy.
For sure, it would be like your vibes are off. For sure, like first round.
I'm honestly shocked that the whole... I mean, Sam like, strategy of, well, let's see who didn't know what Alan was wearing, because that's got to be the traitor.
That was smart. It was genius.
Why did they not, like, catch on to Carolyn's hesitancy? I know. That was so stupid.
And they were like, yeah, it almost worked, but it didn't. It's like.
It kind of did. It did.
You guys just aren't listening. But then you had Tom Sandoval being like.
Ruined it. Yeah.
No, he was wearing. I thought Bob the Drag Queen was so incredible.
And I was really upset that he, I'm upset that he's not in the game anymore. I thought he was so, I thought he was so performative that it was like so obvious that he was a traitor.
No, I actually didn't. I thought he played an amazing game.
Yeah. Because when you're a traitor, you're actually not that outspoken.
a it's kind of crazy to be that outspoken as a traitor right it's very brave i guess that's what i would think yeah rob didn't call him out he wasn't going home yeah no way that's true it was like it was literally dylan on an island alone right and like the fact that danielle's made it so far is also shocking to me i know that that day that she kept putting everyone else's faces on the thing i was like everyone's just twitching she's always like crying and everyone was like that's crazy like that was a huge thing like whoa like why is she doing this and then nothing ever came from i think derek said some when we interviewed derek he was like she's just so emotional at some point you got to be like why is she still crying and he was like but the thing is the thing is she was like that from the start. Like it was like, you know, she was consistent with these emotions.
So it was like, was he touched how bad she felt about. Yeah.
It is annoying how loyal she is to her friends. Yeah.
You're a traitor. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's a traitor. No, your wife's not there.
Yeah. Well, we'll see what happens.
Like as the game goes on. I mean, she's going to have to at some point betray her friends someone yeah i have to so who do we have left we have carolyn sam dolores dylan gabby sandoval iver danielle oh my god britney and then sierra went home worst game ever if they don't if they don't recruit the worst if they don't keep gabby or britney they're gonna kill a guy for sure.
Because there's no point in killing a girl. And they're going to kill Sam because he's like too on the nose.
I think that whole like Carolyn thing. The fact that Sam is the one on the nose, like that shows you how dumb this group is.
That's what I'm saying. He's the smartest one in the group right now.
The fact that they're going to be in the terp and we have to get rid of Sam. He's a threat.
He's not. He's not as.

He said that he played into

the dumb model

to scathe by.

Did he say that?

Yeah.

On here we interviewed him.

Oh, okay.

Interesting.

He's not a gamer.

He didn't come in.

I think he's pretty smart.

He's just showing up

to update his brand.

He's not coming to win traders.

I don't think he gives a fuck

about the show.

What is he coming on for?

I'm still here.

Exposure.

Probably, yeah.

Yeah.

A little limelight.

But I'm also like,

if they get rid of Sam,

then I'm like,

wouldn't it just instantly

put a target on Carolyn's back

because his whole gameplay

was to try to see

if she knew

what Alan's outfit was?

Like, I'd say yes,

but these people can't.

They had Carolyn right there.

I'm sorry. see if she knew what um alan's outfit was like i'd say yes but these people can't they can do whatever they want it's not gonna matter sierra it was you unanimously carolyn could say i am a traitor and they'd be like you're so funny yeah they'd be like i still think it might be dylan you're such a trickster.
I don't even care what happens at this point.

Who do you think wins?

It doesn't even matter.

Whoever wins doesn't even deserve it.

Do you know what I mean?

It's not because they played an amazing game.

So therefore, the winner is not even a winner.

That is a little frustrating with this. And I think Rob was mentioning this,

that there's almost too many variables they can't control. Rob was about game theory like what was he what did he say i should have listened he was just talking about like just well if i would have went after wes then i had to think about you know it's always like he's always thinking three or four steps ahead and he's talking about just like if you do this there's a theory behind this and there's like there's immense amount of strategy behind the moves that they're making they're not totally they're not voting for like their friends because they want to save someone or they're just not they're not voting for someone you know sometimes they would go with the majority because that's a strategy but there's always a strategy and like most of these people to your point they're not they're not strategizing they're just kind of they're all surviving most people are

there to survive not strategize how to make moves yeah i mean it's my favorite show you know sounds like it like it really i know i'm frustrated but like it really is my it's like i look forward to it in a way i've never felt for anything i really want to see it go on yeah i mean you're gonna have to have me back on for the next season so we can actually have something, you know, of substance to talk about. It is crazy how Tom Sandoval carried a whole episode of Traitors.
Yeah. Well, you know, because sometimes you just need to laugh.
Well, he's the only person in the castle that's musically inclined. Who was your guys' favorite before everyone good died? Yeah.
I mean, it was really fun to watch Boston Rob just because the way he's able to gameplay was just incredible. But I mean, I wish Ion, Chanel Ion would have stuck around a little longer.
Her tweets since she's been off are so funny.

Pretty unhinged.

I wish we got to see more of Derek's gameplay, to be honest.

I think he was the smartest one knowing what he was watching in people call out.

Chanel thought everyone from Survivor was because they had survived a disease.

She said. No, I hate that.
I really hate that. I loved Wes.
And Bob the Drag Queen was incredible. Wes when he threatened to murder all the girls who get his revenge.
That was a disaster. Have you watched Alan? No, I've never seen it.
Oh, okay. He's really big on that, and that's pretty much his style.
So it's like seeing how his style works for the challenge but doesn't work in traitors where it's like you can threaten, do whatever, but I dare you guys to give me up, but if you don't, traitors, they're like, no, we're not going to take time. What is the is the like and to not bore anyone but like what is like a really short synopsis of the challenge like what is that show about uh i've actually never seen it it's like it sounds sick though it used to be like a bunch of like mtv people from the real world and road rules challenge and then it's evolved since but they're like dropped down in like volley or whatever and they do physicallyuous, uh, games where people get down in the bottom and then people get voted out, but it's a lot of like negotiating and trying to, uh, an ally ship and whatnot.
So it's like a lot of manipulation, but it's also a lot of like physical strength that's exerted. Yeah.
I just don't, I hate the physical stuff. Was Wes on a household that I used to skip through the challenges he was on real world either Houston or Dallas it was a Texas uh version back in like 2000 I don't know it's eight seven well I watched it in high school okay then what is big brother is that dress manipulation a big brother I never watched an episode of I just know it's a bunch of people living in a house and that you can get voted out that way and it's like you're being watched 24 7 like maybe we should just get really into big brother you know like none of your listeners care but we just like love it some of them watch it but yeah maybe do you want to stick around and interview some love is Blind and Bachelor people? Or do you want to get out of here?

I could.

I just haven't watched any of it.

It's up to you.

You guys can.

I'm not going to be like, yeah, I'll stay.

And you guys be like, fuck.

Stick around.

Stick around.

Do you care about Paige and Craig's breakup at all?

Are you following that?

I'm not following that.

I'm curious.

I really would love your opinion. I did watch the third episode of The Bachelor.

The one before. Oh, great.
That's so random. Why opinion.
I did watch the, I watched the third episode of The Bachelor, the one before.

Oh,

yeah.

Great.

That's so random.

Why?

Because I was coming on and I thought,

do you think Rose,

yeah,

I don't care how you team Rose or team Carolina.

Carolina.

She's like,

I watched it.

Who are those people?

Wait,

so I don't understand the dance thing.

Like,

what happened?

Oh,

yeah,

because she didn't see the dance.

We'll explain that.

But I heard that there was like murmurs of it. And I said, that's'd love to know what happened there was a group date yeah in between the group date there was a arbitrary winner which they often do and so that girl was carolina and she got to dance with grant in front of the other women on the group date okay and at the end of the dance she decided to like sit him on a couch straddle him and suck his face like real hard carolina did carolina okay in front of everyone yeah she cries a lot she's she's become the villain of the season and there's this other girl named rose i would have never suspected that because i watched one episode and i was like oh this this girl's great and that's the problem is you really do need to watch all of them to understand their psychology in a huge way yeah you can't just get like a carolina and rose had a conversation and then at some point according to carolina who went back to grant and tattled on rose rose said that grant told her that he was thinking about rose when he was dancing with carolina and did rose say that rose didn't really remember she was like i might have said that wouldn't it have been wouldn't we have seen that happen? No, we did.
So we did. And he just said, listen, I'm always thinking of you, even with dancing today.
I'm always thinking of you guys. And then what did she say to- And Carolina repeated it back to Grant as if he said, Rose, while I was dancing in second face with Carolina, I was thinking of you.
Yeah, but Rose still shouldn't have said anything to Carolina. Like what, in what situation was Rose like, yeah, he says he's thinking about me all the time.
That's the worst thing about The Bachelors when they like tell each other like the compliments they're giving. Thank you, thank you, Kazi.
I really hate that. It is hard, I will say.
Like I was a big Bachelor head. It's hard after Love Island to watch one single couple.
The stakes are so much different. It's just like, and it feels just way less real in a way that's like not as, yeah, the stakes are definitely different.
Well, the stakes are still pretty high in Love is Blind. Just stick around.
Okay. Great.
All right, Kazzy's going to stay with us. We have Dave from Love is Blind coming up next and we'll discuss with him the first three episodes of Love is Blind.
I know there's six out right now, but we got a reality recap on Thursday. So so we'll cover episodes four, five, and six on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, and the new batch comes out after that, and we'll keep on covering.
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Hey!

How's it going? Welcome to the show

Are you enjoying the first couple episodes of this season? Are you staying offline? Hope so. Trying.
Staying off the interweb stuff, for sure. It's been interesting.
It was kind of a tough weekend, not going to lie, but it was kind of a shock. I was sitting there ready to...
I was so curious to see everybody else in the pods and see what they have to say and things like that. And I heard there was a lot of shit that went down.
And then all of a sudden, they just focused on me a lot. So I wasn't really prepared for that.
But overall, it's been okay. What shit went down that we didn't get to see? I think I got to hold off on that.
Boring. Just some other stuff I know.
I sure it'll come out at the reunion and stuff so like i i just heard there was a lot of stuff with these other couples that they just chose not to show okay well i'm assuming you're referring to the stuff they decided to show of yours specifically probably around some of your jokes that depending on who you are landed or didn't land do you want to address them or the probably the 30 year old women joke probably pissed people off i personally think it's really funny you know the crazy the crazy thing about that is like people like if you kind of understand that humor or whatever like people could tell it was a joke it was in like lauren like i think she handled it really well and we kind of like connected after that and hit it off so i I just, you know, I'm happy I approached it the way I did, because like it landed with a lot of the women, honestly, and it made things fun. And I have a personality, so I was happy to like show that side of me.
And it also like weeded out a lot of the people that I didn't connect with. So it kind of like helped me get there a little bit quicker.
And I like to keep things light, you know, keep it fun. And honestly, that came out like in the speed date, like portion right away.
So yeah, I mean, I was just trying to have some fun with it and see who I connected with. Gotcha.
Do you think you can take it as well as you can give it? Ooh, yeah, I think so. But I'm kind of quickly learning that it's harder than I think.
Were there some other jokes on there that you shared that didn't get aired? Maybe some better ones? You're oh they showed that one but what about this one really really laughing oh i i mean i i mean i talked a lot you're in those pods like for hours on end and like there's just a lot of stuff you talk about so but no again like i think that's a really important piece of like a partner that i'm i was looking for and um i want to be able to have fun with that partner. And I feel like I just wanted to be myself and just make sure people understood me for me.
And David, I don't watch the show, but I just wanted to know what compelled you to do something like this? They show me talking about Botox filler, stuff like that a lot., I was in that industry at the time. And it's, there's nothing wrong with a little Botox here and there.
Like, I'm a fan of that, but yeah, to go on the show, like it was a big part of like, I've known I've been shallow in the past and I really don't want to be like that. And I feel like I talked a lot about how I, I want to be, you know, the person I know I can be.
And when it comes to looks and loving someone for the right reasons. And I was thinking a lot about how I want to be the person I know I can be when it comes to looks and loving someone for the right reasons.
And I was thinking a lot about that when I got there. And honestly, I didn't really know what to expect.
I kind of just went in open-minded and just, I knew I'd make a few connections and I didn't expect to go as far as I ended up going. And you can always give them Botox and filler after.
That is true. That is true.
But that's up to them. I hope so.
Who else? Were there anyone that you had dates with that we didn't get to see? Yeah, I actually dated Taylor for a very long time. We had a lot of fun in the pods together.
And I guess there's a lot of stories they have to tell. And they didn't really show that part, but it was actually kind of tough when we ended things.
You know, me and I think Taylor's awesome. And but yeah, we did it for quite a while.
And it's always funny looking back on that, knowing like I had no idea, like she had such a strong connection with Daniel. Like I just you just have no clue because the guys didn't really talk about it.
Did you get to know Madison much at all? I did not. Madison was, that's a wild situation.
And I guess that's somebody I was referring to. Like, I was curious to see more of what she had to say in those pods.
And, but no, she was the first date I had. And I thought she was very normal and cool and didn't have anything bad to say, but it sounds like there's lot of other, you know, things going on there.
Yeah.

I wonder if maybe we just haven't gotten there yet.

You said in the pods that your sister wasn't thrilled about you coming on the show.

What was her take on this last drop and like an end of you being on the

show?

Yeah.

I mean,

I think she's kind of just taken it in stride.

I think that's just such a funny and like the internet is just insane

because like apparently having a good relationship with your sister is a

bad thing.

Like,

Thank you. just taking it in stride um i think that's just such a funny and like the internet is just insane because like apparently having a good relationship with your sister is a bad thing like yeah sorry she's cool whatever but i think she's doing okay you know i feel like if she was struggling with it she would have been like talking to me and texting me a lot but i think she's doing all right is it cringy and i don't ask like in a judgment way i ask and, like, because I would be cringed out watching myself flirt and try to, like, use pickup lines on people.
Did you feel that way about yourself? Or were you like, damn, I got it. I'm pretty swaggy.
You know, it's actually, like, it's funny you say that. Like, it's so hard to focus.
Like, you're so, like, kind of excited to watch. You're also, like, nervous.
So you pick up on things. I'll probably have to rewatch it, honestly, because it's watching.
I watched all six with Devin. And it's just hard.
like you're also like nervous so you kind of you pick up on things i'll probably have to re-watch it honestly because it's watching i watched all six with devon and uh it's just hard like you're you're just kind of distracted while you're watching it but no again like i think i just tried to have a personality in the pods and people can take that in a negative light if they if they want but i mean i was just trying to have some fun it's such a i remember going into the pods like oh the pods are open the guys like open. The guys, like some of them would ask, they're like, Dave, what's, what's your plan? And I'm like, I plan, like, what do you mean? I'm just going to go in, be myself and, and see what happens.
You know, it's, you only get like eight to 10 minutes with each person. You got to keep it light.
Were you, were you surprised that you started developing feelings? Oh, absolutely. I was, I was completely thrown off.
That was like one of the harder parts to watch, like watch back and have these kinds of feelings and emotions come back. Like I, you know, going into that, I thought, I think I already mentioned this, but I thought I'd be there for a couple of days.
Didn't really expect much. And I ended up just like really buying into the process and the, the experiment in general.
And it was good overall, like not only the connections I made, but like the growth that I had individually, just like kind of going through that process and making sure I was being, you know, open, honest, and just raw being my real self. It was kind of refreshing, but it was very hard to go through.
And it was a lot harder than I expected. I feel like the next kind of batch is like the honeymoon vacation phase.
Obviously you were there in real time. You know what happened.
Usually that's when things start to get a little messy. Are you nervous to watch those episodes come out or are you kind of like, no, I'm good.
Um, no, honestly, no, I feel like, um, I mean, me and Lauren had a blast, um, on the getaway. So I am curious.
But again, like I thought this going into the first batch, I kind of had that feeling too. And then it was like, oh, nevermind.
You're kind of like the focus of the show. Did you have any more jokes down there? Probably.
I mean, I don't know. I like to joke around.
Like, life is short, man. You got to have fun with it and not get bogged down by all the craziness and stuff.
I agree with you. But no, I mean, we had so much fun.
And I'm excited to watch some of the just the events and like things that we did because it was really fun. Yeah, no, not really.
I think there are a few moments where we talk about like physical stuff. I can't give anything away yet, but there are a few moments where I'm like probably pushing that on some of the other people just trying to figure out, you know, where they're at.
So hopefully I don't focus too much on that. I feel like that's usual.
That happens every season. Everyone kind of tries to suss out who else is fucking, you know? Yeah.
I mean, it's I feel like it's a very normal conversation to have, you know, and people some people think it's weird. I think it's very I mean, 33 now, 33.
It shouldn't be weird to talk about that. Period.
You're only at 33. That's what the 30-year-old jokes.
You're in your early 30s. Well, that's why I thought it was funny.
I don't judge anyone for that. I'm older, too.
I don't give a shit. Men aren't really attractive until they reach at least 36.
So true. I met Nick at 37.
It's so true. So what do I got to do in the next three years? You just have to wait.
You look great. You just have to wait.
Just a waiting game, honestly. Do we have any more questions for Dave? I don't think so.
I'm excited to watch this season unfold, though. Dave, your time i know that uh you're you're at work or you're you took some time off to talk with us so i appreciate you taking the time and best of luck the rest of the way stay off the internet don't read your comments uh and you'll you'll be just fine buddy got it thank you i appreciate it as well hopefully uh it doesn't disappoint the rest of the way uh you'll be great all right take care bud thank you yep see ya i think what you guys do is actually like it's so much more than a podcast because you're giving these people who are on these reality shows you know a chance to either redeem themselves or explain themselves and like who else is doing that in that in this way where it's like you have people coming in like thank you i just think it's really nice especially like imagine like what like what it does to their mental health how do you think i don't know i'm i'm honestly like i have to go no you're here for the long haul no yeah sorry we actually locked the door unfortunately won't be able to leave um i feel like he definitely 100 regrets making that joke you know it's like that's the only thing that people are shitting on him for.
And he's like, it was one second. I thought it was funny.
She kind of laughed in the moment. Like, it's really not that big of a deal.
And everyone's like, you're such a dick. I'd like to know if he was actually joking.
He was definitely joking, but like. Maybe I just want to see his timing, you know.
Because like maybe it was just like his icebreaker. And it's kind of a good way to tell if someone's sensitive or not they're not going to get your sense of humor yeah i mean i i don't think it's that offensive i think it's like it's not that big of a deal hilarious yeah like it sounds like a joke i would make he said it was such and i guess you probably would too just like with such a straight face yeah well that's how that's the only way to land Yeah.
Oh, he landed. He definitely landed.
Do you want to talk about Madison? Madison is triggering me. It reminds me of every relationship I had in my 20s, early 30s.
Why? Well, because so, so, Kazzy. Yeah, I'm seeing her face.
Madison is dating Alex. Alex, upper left.
Yeah, I see him. And Mason.
She tells Mason, there's something you need to know. Well, it's so clear just from their photos that she should be with Ben.
That is true. Or Daniel.
She tells Mason that there's something he needs to know about her nipples, and it is that they're pierced. She did feel the need to make sure that was...
It was like, before you proposed to me, you have's also very open about doesn't feel like something you she's also very open about her trauma she's like i've had a lot of shit happen to me and like i can't tell you specifically what because you know we're on camera but like i hope you're okay with knowing i'm fucked up but I can't tell you exactly how.

And Alex, Alex's storyline is,

he's a handsome guy,

but he talks about how growing up he was the ugliest of ducklings,

according to himself.

He said he had a big afro and braces

and really bad acne,

and he said that he got really bullied.

Just bullied, and just, it was really, you know,

and you really love this guy, right?

You know, and so he's now,

he's this very sweet, handsome guy, but has this gentle, sweet face. Definitely could grow a beard.
He could definitely use a girlfriend makeover for sure. He wears a lot of the mock neck turtlenecks.
Okay. If that tells you.
Yeah, I'm seeing it in the photo. He's falling in love with Madison.
I'm triggered by it because Alex kind of of reminds me of me when i was that age and and madison reminds me of like every girl i pursued when i was that age and it's like the person who is just like i've done some work so like i'm aware i'm self-aware yeah but i still have problems and so like she is selling this like self-aware person who like like it's weird because like when you humanize the fact that you have or whatever your issues are by being so honest about them, it's almost more manipulative because it does humanize you in such a crazy way. I think they're going to end up together, Alex and Madison, and she's going to fuck him up so bad.
That's what I was thinking about while I was watching The Bachelor, which is like's that's the difference between when there's so many women and one guy rather than all these guys and a woman where it's like it's so hard to watch some of these women manipulate this guy. You know, women are so much smarter than men.
So it's like when it's the men and there's like one woman, she's not really getting manipulated by them. Like maybe sometimes, but you always see on these seasons like one of these girls like really go for it and try to convince him and almost like nine out of ten times he's he totally buys in so true it's hard to watch because the bachelors you know they can't really question anyone or they can't every season of the bachelorette there's always like it's like week three week four where some guy says something wrong and then she storms in where they're all staying there and she's like listen up motherfuckers if you're not here for the right reason there's the fucking door and everyone's like oh what a queen she's great oh she's serious and like yeah the bachelors is always like hey guys we just want to be nice to each other and please like well it's like one girl telling on everyone and that in with like a lie and him being like if you guys don't start being nice to her you know i don't know it's just it's hard to watch it is hard to watch yeah i found the moment you found it oh my god good job i think that's hilarious i wish she would have had a better reaction by the way that's great yeah he's immediately said i'm joking like you totally believe him i i thought that was a great joke 10 out of 10 he also made a joke right after saying he was on only fans so i'm like i think this is just his icebreaker of showing his personality yeah i actually thought that was a perfect a perfect joke you know what the best part about that is that i really laugh well she's behind a's behind a screen.
She can't see him, but he still wrote down, like still not attractive, as if like she could see him. He really leaned into the bit.
Yeah. So great.
He's like, I'm so still not attractive. Very funny.
What do we think of Joey and Monica who got engaged episode two? I can't watch. I was like, that counts? Joey and Monica? Can i watch no i can't they're the they're the

get married i don't care they were the taylor and garrett for me in the beginning of last season where it's like okay you're in love we get it you're gonna last forever i don't care give me the drama oh it's so wholesome so i love it their accents are crazy oh this is what are their accents they're from minneapolis minnesota it's a lot of don't you know oh and there's a really thick the jo and the Monica. They're both from, yes, they're all from the same place.
That's kind of why this show is great because then they make them like live together. So it's like how their relationship would take the next step.
I don't remember them doing that. It's always in the same city.
Not the first season. Yeah, they didn't do that.
Not the second season either. They did the second season.
Really. Okay, well that changes things a little bit.
little bit that makes the show i guess a little bit more because then you can like still go to work and like live a normal life yeah well that's where things go off the rails too because it's like it is that like it's like oh i come home from work and i like to have a drink and then this is when the fight starts and it's like and now i'm stressed and i'm back in my normal life so yeah but it's not interesting because it's like, yeah, of course there's going to be

problems.

There's problems when you don't meet someone like this. Right.
But then when people are like normal and good and cool, nobody cares about them. And then everybody cares about the drama that does ensue.
But there are healthy relationships that actually do come out of it. I really hate this show.
Like, so, so stupid. when they propose

to each other

behind the screen

it's

it's the worst

and best moment

of TV

every season it's just like are you standing? are you kneeling? yes and the guy gets down on the knee and he looks at a wall and he proposes and it's always and then the girl will go up to the wall and touch the wall and then after they propose then they have the big reveal where they have to walk down the hallway and look at the person that they've formed this relationship there and now their fiance and be like, did I make a mistake? It's ridiculous. I also think the show would work just fine without them getting engaged.
You don't actually need them to get engaged in order for... They get married, Kazzy.
Yeah, it's so stupid. It's so stupid.
We should have asked Dave what was on his sex playlist. Because he does admit to having a sex playlist.
And like, if you're still playing music while fucking, honestly, get a life. You have time.
Yeah, if you're like, hold on. Let me find my morning car ride.
Airplane vibes. It's giving them in a movie.
Sex playlist. It means you're a fuck boy.
Like, you like you're fucking if you have created a like this is what i want to fuck to playlist and you spent time like picking out the songs like you're not in a relationship you don't want to be in like a movie scene though i've never done that with a girlfriend girlfriend or non-girlfriend why are you doing it we were we used to say alexa play cautious clay we. We were not boyfriend and girlfriend then.
As soon as we were boyfriend and girlfriend. What is Cautious Clay? No, Cautious Clay is like, that makes music for sex.
It's like the weekend vibes. That is really, really fucked.
It really is. I wish I didn't know that.
Yeah. He hasn't asked in a long time, so it's fine.

I've lost that love and feeling.

Yeah.

Shut up.

I think if someone tried to put on music, even just before, even without sex, I would...

Call the cops?

Yeah.

I'm just like, what could be on there?

Watching someone put on music, I find really embarrassing.

That is so true.

Like, then, like, scrolling to find a song.

Like, making a choice.

No, hold on. You have to have it playing before you walk in so you don't have to think about it.
Right. If you forget, you can't go back.
Is this a conversation of like, should we play music? It's going to be silent the rest of the night. Imagine mid-makeout, stops, hold on, skip this song, and skips to another one.
Or like, what is it? Like, Genuine Pony?

Like, that's where I'm just like,

what is on a sex jams list?

We should have asked and that was a miss by us.

Oh my God.

It's Cautious Clay

in the weekend.

That's what it is.

I can't think of anything else.

It's Jeremiah,

like, birthday sex.

It's, you know,

it's a lot like Lollipop

by Lil Wayne.

It's a lot of that.

Well, it used to be LL Cool J back in the day.

Oh, good Lord.

I actually do have to leave.

Is that fine?

No.

I know the choice was either stay or go now.

The choice wasn't like you could stay for one and then leave.

But that's what I did.

So is that fine?

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Well, what's the worst thing to have on a sex playlist? I think Genuine Pony. Any song.
Taylor Swift. No, Taylor Swift is good.
Taylor Swift the fuck too? Reputation era? Do you have a sex playlist? I don't have a playlist anymore, but I'm a big advocate for music. But when you were single and out there slinging it, you had a playlist.
And then now that you're in love, you're just like, you don't. Yeah.
But I also think it's good to be in a movie at some point, like having sex during a soundtrack. But they don't have music during the movie.
They put that on after. The post-production thing.
But I feel like I'm in the movie. Understand the film process, Justin.
Yeah, process just literally yeah no but she made a point it has to be playing when i walk in and it has to be a casual thing yeah just stop things go wait i see where this is

going hold on yeah i got a playlist for this i did uh-oh what'd you do i had to like skip a pit

bull song one time because music was playing and i was like this can't happen ethel kane did how

did pit bull end up on your playlist uh it wasn't it wasn't a specific playlist it was just

Thank you. one time because music was playing and I was like, this can't happen.
How did Pitbull end up on your playlist? It wasn't a specific playlist. It was just music was playing.
Hotel rooms are, I was like, I can't. Oh, we have the Hotel Moto Holiday Inn.
And I was like, I can't. This is not, it ruined the vibe.
Alright, should we get into The Bachelor? Yeah. They're in Madrid.
I think Rose leaving means I was right. I think it's giving, she she's like i was sabotaged and i no longer can be here i mean her conversation with grant was not the slightest bit reassuring she's like it put a stint in our relationship he's like yeah it absolutely did she's like all right he's like all right but she that still means that she's she said and did something that she knew she shouldn't have done and carolina definitely threw under the bus and definitely screwed her over.
And it's definitely the messiest of the group for sure. In the teaser, you see Dina even turn on Carolina and that to me is like, okay, we're clearly saying that she is because they were crying in solidarity at the end of this episode.
Yeah, she's like, I see myself in you or you in me or whatever. Carolina's kind of the worst.
She's the Carolina show. 100%.
Yeah. Not a fan.
I disagree. What? I disagree.
I think the house are being bullies. I know this goes against everything I said last week.
Yeah, you last week was like, the house can never be the bully. It is Carolina to the max.
She's the worst. I'm over here forgiving Zoe.
I'm like, I get your trauma. We a name for leia's you always you always say you deserve the right to be wrong i've been calling her i've been calling her chaos leos yeah chaos leos that is what they call me because i'm always just like so wait explain like back back your girl carolina yeah okay i just think that they're coming up a little hard on her.
I disagreed with Juliana. I just think that mind your own business a little bit.
She's clearly anxious. She's like, I don't know if he's the guy for me.
We've had one date. I need more time.
She's just saying everything that's going on in her head out loud. I agree with you on that, actually.
No, you don't think that if you were in a room with a bunch of girls who are all going after the same guy, one in particular who's had a shit ton of time with him, and she's like, I don't know. I'm just like, I just don't know if I see.
You wouldn't be like, really, bitch? Do we know exactly what she said? It was in last week's episode where she was going off about, I wish I never even went on that date. I don't feel secure about this.
I need more time. I don't even know if this is the person for me.
She went on a whole thing after coming back from Vegas where these girls are like, I haven't even gotten one-on-one time with him at a group date. And then even on this episode where she's sitting, they're all on the couch and she's like, I just feel like.
I don't remember it specifically.

So I do think context matters.

I do think sometimes in that world,

the house, the bully will go after anyone who's not like saying I'm deeply in love

with the lead like week two.

You know, anyone who's demonstrating any like,

hey, you know, we'll see.

And like, I still want to get to know someone

and I want to take my time and yada, yada, yada

is sometimes like portrayed by the house

Thank you. demonstrating any like, hey, you know, we'll see.
And like, I still want to get to know someone and I want to take my time and yada, yada, yada is sometimes like portrayed by the house as like not being grateful for being there. No, no, no.
I think that's, that is valid. I think it is Carolina saying, I wish I would have never gone on our one-on-one private jet to Vegas.
Like that is a very ungrateful thing to say to a bunch of women who are dying to have time with this man. Okay, that's a temper tantrum.
And I also think that this is providing a little bit of context of why Rose said what she said is because I think Carolina is going around complaining, saying all these thoughts, and they're just comparing stories and whatnot. And then whenever Carolina gets upset, that's when she's running to Grant or crying and whatnot.
But you think a whole bunch of women dating the same men want to hear you complain about how your time was spent or you not getting enough time when you've had the most time you do seem ungrateful and juliana was being an adult pulled her aside and was like hey in the context of which you're talking about grant it doesn't seem like you want to be here and if i was saying things the way that you were i would hope someone would say to me why are you still here i really don't think Juliana went about it in a way that was like disrespectful towards Carolina. I think she was just like, hey, this is kind of like what you're saying.
And it's kind of rubbing a lot of the other women like the wrong way. Maybe you should like stop or reframe the way.
And Carolina turned. It was like, I never asked you for your opinion.
I never blah, blah, blah, blah. And like she made it.
Carolina said, so what are you asking? Yeah. But that's the thing.

If she would have done that in front of all of the women who also felt that same way,

then Carolina would start crying and being like,

everyone's attacking me and ganging up on me,

which she still ended up doing anyways

without that happening.

So I'm just like, no, she's playing the victim.

But then also when Grant's not around,

she's talking shit or at least being like,

no, somebody should feel bad for me

for what I'm going through.

And I just don't.

You've had the best dates experience.

He's pretty much made it very clear in front of women kissing you and whatnot that you have his attention and it's still not good enough for you. Do you think Carolina was milking those tears when Grant walked in? 100%.
All of a sudden she was like, I can't even let you get through a sentence with that. You don't Leah? You think all of Carolina's tears are 100% genuine and authentic? Yeah, I think that she was overwhelmed in that moment.
I think she's on the wrong show if these are the things she's worried about. You know what I mean? Kind of on the right show.
She is on the right show. But for her to be like, oh, I'm not sure about Grant.
It's like, girl, you're on The Bachelor. So the house is like, it's kind of a cult mentality, it seems to me.
And so she's not buying into it. And it's like, to be on the show, you kind of have to buy into it, right? Yes and no.
Again, I think it's splitting hairs. I always get annoyed.
And I was kind of that person on Andy's season. I was like, I don't know.
I'll get to know her. I had early attention, so I liked her earlier.
But as soon as I was like, my edits started when people are like he's ungrateful you know he's on a date and like he's not sure about her yet i'm like that's because i just went on this like i i don't know yeah like literally i've never spent more than 12 minutes with her right and that and this has happened multiple seasons, like that narrative gets used against people sometimes.

Right.

But Carolina is going on a date,

complaining about the date,

saying things like, I didn't even want,

like kind of throwing a fit,

like saying things that she's not grateful

to have that date.

That's different than someone saying,

I had an amazing time with this person.

I love what I've gotten to know.

I have more questions.

Yeah.

I'm not in love yet.

And sometimes the I'm not in love yet has been weaponized against people in that house but that doesn't seem like what Carolina is doing Carolina, yeah no, Carolina is making a point that it's like something is happening to her and everybody's time now is being completely monopolized by Carolina having tears and a problem either deal with it head on or discuss it with Grant in your one-on-one time

and then sit down

and let other people

have their moment.

But it's like the entire night,

every Rose ceremony

is everybody consoling

or Grant needing to console Carolina

and it's just retired.

Wasn't it a little dramatic though

for Rose to have her panic attack?

No, I mean, even then,

I saw like when she went outside,

I was like, the sun is coming up.

They've probably been drinking

and I'm just like,

I think it just got to her. She's like, yeah, I've been here all night.
We're not getting time together. The last time we talked, we are disconnected.
She confronts the situation and it's like, yeah, he's not saying I was going to pick you tonight or like, I don't want you to go home. He said, OK, let me walk you to your car.
OK. I don't think she's overreacting.
I don't think so. I think Carolina put the nail in her coffin and she was like, there's no going forward from here.
Like, I need to go at this. I'm, I'm like, okay.
I don't think she was overreacting. I don't think so either.
I think Carolina put the nail in her coffin and she was like,

there's no going forward from here.

I need to go at this point.

I still agree with Cassie.

Rose, if nothing else,

she was foolish.

Yeah, she trusted Carolina.

Yeah, she shouldn't have.

But the more I'm watching Carolina,

the more I'm wondering if Rose has got duped.

Rose got checkeded.

She got duped by someone playing

a more sophisticated game. 100%.
Chess and checkers. Somebody flashback last episode of us.
We're only working with the information we have in front of us. I was going to say, because even then, I've changed my tune completely on Zoe now, knowing what I know about her background.
I'm like, okay, I understand why you're defensive and that you're not trying to open up with these women right now and you're coming here for a goal. I still stand by the fact that if you're coming on The Bachelor saying you're not here for making friends, you don't get to cry when the women do not like you.
But even seeing them all come together, I was like, okay, this is just like easing into things. It's a weird situation having 20 women dating one man or 10 women at this point dating one man.
I'm team Latia. Whoever, like the fact that she was voicing concern over Carolina.
Yeah. she's got to go all i needed to hear me and latia are instagram friends now i dm'd her and i said i'm obsessed with you so letia seems like she doesn't she really who knows but she gives like above the drama yeah but if you know if you ask her her opinion and she'll give an honest answer.
Yeah, period. We love that.
One thing I have to say about Grant's season, and tell me if you agree or disagree, but I kind of feel like watching this season, this is the first time where I'm not really sure where he's going to go. I feel like he has so many genuine connections with these women.
Even his date with Serafina today, where I wasn't thinking of hers thinking of hers and yesterday's show, but like how much chemistry and how great their date went.

And they just were on that three on one last week.

And it's just like, I never know.

I just feel like there's always a new woman that's like pulling forward from like the

back ranks.

And usually when you're watching Bachelor, you kind of have like your top four throughout.

I agree.

It's I don't have a good read on his like favorites.

Well, he sent Natalie home and like one of them, like he and one of them, he was one of his tops last week. Then it's like he brought the rocks and stuff for Parise after having the cute chubby bunny date and gave her the date rose and then she went home.
So it's just like it's kind of hard to navigate which way he's going with things. Yeah.
It's definitely Latia, Juliana are his top two, his final two.

I feel like I didn't see a lot of laughing or humor or goofiness or childlike playness with Dina or Serafina. But it's conversation with Dina where she was like, you know, like, I'm here to also take care of us.
Like, it's not just you. No, they both had really great, deep, important conversations.
But I didn't see that, like, ha, ha, ha, we can still be kids. Right, chemistry.
And joke and laugh, yeah. Juliana is one of my, like, top runners.
And then it was, like, even last week with the, or this week with the confrontation with Carolina, I was like, oh, no, up until they sat and talked. And then I was like, okay, here's the chemistry again.
But I, her not getting a one-on-one. I was kind of shocked by that.

I was like,

what is happening? I thought she was your front runner. It's only week four.
Your real front runner usually gets their one-on-one week five. Usually.
I think Juliana gets a one-on-one next week. We have Parisa to give us a little bit of insider baseball.
Let's bring her up. Well, welcome to the show.
Yes. Thank you for having me.
How are you feeling after your, uh well you haven't watched it yet we know we've seen it uh you're yeah you're you're kicked out your exile from madrid yeah no i'm doing great um it was not gonna lie kind of unexpected in the moment but um you know after getting home and reflecting on everything like

you know like i understand and um but no i'm doing i'm doing very well thank you for asking you're sounding you like you're saying you understand and uh and i'm and i'm i mean this with all the love in the world like like you don't really mean it like you really want to say this is bullshit i shouldn't have gone home no no i um i had this mindset all you know throughout my journey and um this mindset was don't get involved in drama you know you're not here for that just stay separated and just keep like you stay focused on this journey of like you know being in the moment you're growing a relationship with grant and exploring you know seeing where this is going and you don't need any distractions and so after um doing some you know reflection on everything i i feel like i dropped the ball that, you know, this last week, um, in Madrid with getting involved in drama. Like you wish you would have got more involved or you regret getting involved? I regret getting involved and just like kind of allowing it to get into my mind space.
How did you get involved in it? I think, you know, throughout the whole time. I mean, as you've seen, like, I'm always in the back with like, you know, biting my lips, not speaking up, you know, like drama that was happening throughout the season.
This last week in Madrid, I kind of couldn't take it anymore with just like the negativity and the constant back and forth. And I just, I kind of, I interjected myself and, you know, more conversation regarding just, you know, the drama that was happening.
And I kind of allowed it to get into my headspace. And so I was kind of just focused on that, that week and not as focused on, you know, what I'll be bringing to my conversations with Grant, what I want to talk about with him, what I want him to know about me.
And so I just kind of allowed it to get into just like my head space. And it just was very, it just distracted me.
Do you still have the rocks that Grant gave you or did you throw them in the trash? Oh, no, of course I have those rocks. It was still like, it was such an amazing journey and it was so fun.
And especially to like in Madrid Madrid. Our group date and my time with him are all wonderful memories that I'll have forever, especially the Rocks.

Especially the Rocks.

Where did you land?

Were you Team Rose or Team Carolina?

Well, it's hard.

I wasn't there when the notes were being shared between them, so i'm not entirely sure specifically what was said between them um but i feel like we all just kind of need to read in between the lines and understand too that not everything is shown it's kind of the tip of the iceberg of what is being shown could you elaborate all, especially in the beginning of this journey,

we're all sharing notes with each other. We're all talking about our time with him.
People, maybe viewers don't know, but we don't have any communication outside with our friends and family. So it's the same.
When you go on a date at home, when you go on a date, you come home, you tell your best friends everything. And we don't have that.
So we are confiding in each other. We're talking about our moments with him.
And I feel like we all know and expect that everyone's going to be having their little individual moments with him. Like, this is what we signed up for.
So I don't know. I feel like none of this needed to happen.
So it was normal for like all of y'all to be like, it was normal for Rose to confide in Carolina about what she thought Grant had said to her. And it was out of the ordinary for Carolina to go and tell Grant that.
Oh yeah. And I feel like it's known too, when we all talk to each other, we're all like inviting in each other.
And I feel like it's just known. Like if I'm doing i'm doing that like i can trust or i mean i hope to trust that they're not going to turn around and go talk about it with him definitely yeah it brought a lot of negativity to the house and it was tough do you think carolina's like sabotaged your time i've personally like looking back at everything i i don't believe it was intentional and like it a domino effect, these actions.
It did have an effect on how much time we had with Grant following her confronting him. Because it took up other girls' time that they would have had with him.
Are you pro-steal him on a group date to get some time? Or are you are you like need to respect everyone can't do that? I feel like you just you need you need to be respectful. And I kept saying to I started to notice it's truly if you focus on the quality of your time with Grant rather than the quantity, like how many times you take them, how long you're with them, then i feel like you do set yourself up for success so definitely team rose it sounds like your team rose i just again i don't know i none of this needed to happen i you strike me as someone who like before you came on i you you seemed like a little like uh you you kind of the sassy one, you had the PowerPoint,

you know, and now you're like afraid to ruffle, you're like, you're afraid to ruffle feathers.

I just sat back for the most part, watched everything. And, you know, I could see with

some people, again, like, there's no point in confronting them. There's no point to say

anything, because it's not gonna, it's just gonna be a back and forth game. And it's not gonna

fix any problems. And so I never was like motivated really to just confront, you know, some people throughout this journey because of that reason.
And when you say some people, do you mean Carolina or, or who do you mean? Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like I had a moment, I think it was last week's episode when she got back from her date. My approach was to ask questions, to have her answer them.
And there just wasn't really a great exchange there. Like it just seemed like she, you know, she just wasn't really looking for help or a solution in that moment, which is totally okay.
Sometimes people just need to vent and like that was, you know, it's totally fine. What were some of the questions that you asked? Because I know she said that she kind of like regretted going on the date in general.
So was this before she said that or after? This was, yeah, during that conversation. It was just more just like asking, like, you know, like, how do you feel? And when she would say certain things, like, well, how did that make you feel in that moment? Did you say this to Grant? Does he know? So just like questions like that, just to kind of like talk her through it.
And I wasn't really just, I wasn't getting responses, but that was enough for me to be like, you know, we're going to let her work this out again. Like I don't want to get sucked in.
When I was there, I used this analogy. I related everything to like playing Mario Kart.
When you play like multiplayer Mario Kart. And so, you know, you have like four, like your screen split up into like four different screens and everyone's in this race.
If you take your eyes off your race for one second and you look at, to see where someone else is in the race, you might crash, you might hit the wall. You might like run over a banana and like that throws you off then, um, the race you're you know and it's it takes one second to just glimpse over to see where someone else is at to lose your place in the race and i just kept relating it to that i'm like okay like put my blinders up just focus on my screen like this is not going to help me obviously in my connection with grant this isn't going to help me at all so like let's just's just get back into my lane.
Makes sense. Interesting.
And then he is sending you home. It was a bummer.
During your journey, what was your favorite moment with Grant? I have a couple. So one of them wasn't shown, but it was a really good moment.
It was after the basketball date. I kept, you know, like goofing around on the court.
I was like, teach me a free throw. Teach me how to make a basket because I've never played basketball before.
And then I kept joking. I'm like, oh, I'll teach you how to play soccer because soccer has always been a sport I played my whole life.
And I was going to look for him to steal him for my time. And he was like, come with me.
And then we walked out to the front and he set up these two soccer nets and had a soccer ball waiting there. And it was just the cutest thing.
We played like one V one and it was so funny. I'm in heels and I'm like, no, no, no.
These heels are coming off. Like you were playing a real game.
I loved that. And then the rocks too.
When he gave me the rocks after a group date that was very meaningful are we gonna see you on the beaches of paradise if you get asked will you say yes if i get asked i i really am looking for a husband i'm not having any luck and i heard the success rate is very um very good there bachelor in paradise is fun but i don't know if i would go there like for a husband. She said the success rate's high.
I guess it is pretty good. I guess it's higher than...
It could definitely happen. It definitely is higher.
Yeah. And like, you see some of those success stories too.
I mean, currently, I mean, for me right now, it's Hannah and Dylan. Like that is very, that's inspiring.
Yeah. Kalen and Dean.
Yeah. They're paradise and happily married.
Ashley and Jared. Ashley and Jared.
Well, where are their success stories? They remind us every season. They do.
They do remind us every season. How much success they have.
How much success they've had. Well, thank you so much for your time.
Sorry it ended so shortly. And maybe we'll see you on the beaches of paradise yes thank you again for having me thank you all right take care say hi to your cat thank you bye bye bye well she seemed lovely and i wish her well maybe we'll see her in paradise i hope she gets every single rock she has ever dreamed of it sounds like she she really hated Carolina and didn't want to say it.
Hey. We tried.
Should we jump to Summer House? Summer House. Summer House is looks like it's going to be entertaining.
It does look very good. Yes.
So good. I'm locked in.
Lindsay's whole like rundown of like so season one I did this not season two. Listen there's two new girls so let me explain to you who I am it was very much like and Nick said this Lindsay's pregnant oh let's bring in two 25 year olds to like even out the like playing field and even Jesse being like there's a pregnant woman here yeah well they're bringing in another guy too Jesse's face was everything no I do love it because it's kind of like when Jersey Shore did that with Snooki I think was was pregnant.
And you're just kind of like, so how is this going to go? And I asked Nick. I said, I wonder.
This is a great question. I wonder.
There is no winning. There is no good answer.
What is going to happen this summer of Summer House? So the next summer, next season. It's one thing to show up.
Does she have her baby bedside in a a bassinet with her or does she leave the baby at home with dad or with nanny to like go party in the hamptons for a weekend it's a loser neither neither are good it's a lose i know what's happening lindsey is gonna go to ronnie ronnie didn't they say they were canceling ronnie they're casting ronnie so maybe i don't know but like nally makes a great point and it's a great question and it's one that does have it has no good answer it's one thing to show up pregnant and our last memory is you ending a relationship with your fiance who's also on the show and obviously very compelling tv if i'm the bravo, I'm doing everything I can to make sure Lindsay shows up with baby in the oven to confront Carl. Next summer, she has a child.
You can't have a baby sleeping and Kyle trying to be a DJ in the same house. You just can't.
And every summer, Thursday through Sunday, she's just going to peace out. Guest house.
Well, my argument to that was even when West and Jesse were talking about sharing a bedroom and Connor was watching with me and he was just like, why would they choose to do this? This is weird. And I was like, well, it is only for a weekend.
It's two nights out of the week. So Lindsay very well could come down, maybe not every weekend, but leave her baby at home, come hang out for a night, two nights.
Sierra, we're not asking. This is not like a round table of like, how do we figure this out? How can Lindsay execute set plans? It's what is Bravo Nation going to eat her alive for? And it's one of those two.
Of course she can do it. And both of them are bad answers.
Yes, of course she can do it. So she just takes off the summer.
I think that's her only option of scathing past. She can bring her kid to the Kyle DJ house or like every weekend.
Just also, again, like, I don't know what Lindsay, how Lindsay enjoys or like, I don't know what Lindsay's relationship with her child or what motherhood has been like for Lindsay. I have no idea.
But like, isn't this like the problem with people in general? Like how somebody chooses to like be a mother if they go away for a weekend, that doesn't mean that they're negligent to their child. A weekend? Every weekend.
Every weekend. She might not be there every weekend.
She could be like Gabby. She's not always there.
She could skip weekends. Paige did it all the time.
In the context of a working woman, but the problem with this show is Bravo just obsessively likes to pretend this isn't their job. That this is a choice of people just like for whatever reason getting together and their friends and they just every thursday night drive out to the house and party like fucking rock stars and drive back and bravo wants to like critique carl about like like lindsey lindsey literally lecturing carl about not having a job and he needs a job all pretending that he's not a tv star and that this isn't his job and to nally's point like bravo nation kind of buys into this narrative for the most part you know they're just like what is your job because it's not a tv star and so this the optics are just fucking brutal and like even for the working ladies out there yeah it's a tough choice that every every woman and every parent has to face of a very difficult challenge if they have a job that takes them away from their kid potentially three to four days out of the week.
That's hard on any parent and any child. Because it's also not a regular job.
It's going and partying and drinking and fighting and staying up late and this and that. And I think Bravo Nation is going to be like, really? This is what you left

your kid at home to do?

Like,

I think they're going to

have a problem with that.

She's not drinking this summer.

I was going to say,

all the girls are in bed

by 1030 that are her age.

So I'm also kind of like,

it's not like Paige

and everyone are like,

get in the car

and let's go to Hamptons.

Night one,

definitely.

But it does seem to get crazy

in the trailer.

It seems to really...

She's in a tough pickle

to like, it's not an easy choice for Lindsay. All I'm saying, It's just not an easy choice.
I'm interested to see what she does. But what do we think of the new girls? Seemed fun.
I know Lexi was dating Brooklyn Beckham. Was she really? Yeah, I saw clips and people were saying she downgraded by coming on Summer House.
Which I don't know. Kind of.
Well, he is married. She he is married yeah yeah regardless of like that but like brooklyn beckham is like a beckham a ho it's like hollywood royalty in a way like she's like now she's with jesse listen i mean no disrespect to jesse love jesse but like you know us reality tv stars don't get the same clout no as some of the some of the like someone whose mom is a spice girl and and whose dad is one of the best soccer players in the world one of the hottest in the lives one of the most sought after celebrities in the past 30 years, 20 years and he's the oldest son of this beautiful family what was the reaction what did Bravo it Bravo Nation, Bravo World? What do they refer to themselves as? The Bravosphere.
The Bravosphere. What did Bravosphere think of the two new girls? I think people love Lexi.
She's pretty. She's like flirty.
But I mean, it's only one episode of her. I don't think people are really talking about the other friend.
I mean, right now, yeah, I'm more focused on Jessie being obsessed with Lexi than I am about Lexi at the moment.

How is Sierra and Lexi going to get along?

It doesn't look like it's going to go well.

Because you have two just like very traditionally

like beautiful women by like anyone's standards,

both like seemingly successful models.

And so far, Sierra has like-

Sierra's also a nurse.

Let us not forget.

I will say in the teaser, her making out or doing who knows what with Jesse Solomon is random it was the flirting and Lexi was like seriously he's flirting with her right now and then it came to like I don't trust you or whatever aren't they also like dancing in the teaser together and then I could have seen a make out I might have made that up in my head but I didn't see a make out but I'm just like Jesse it pays her all of the compliments tells her how hot she is like whatnot that's just part of jesse's personality and i also feel like lexi probably jesse yeah so i think lexi probably thinks that jesse's fully committed to something that he's not but he's also just like a playful person this is giving all the makings of west and sierra from last season like jesse's in love he's obsessed with her he's like out like out there. I'm going to marry this girl.
Episode one, he's like, I'm going to date this girl. Which I think Sierra and Wes both have a conversation with Jesse being like, hey, bro, maybe like not so soon.
It is the first day. Let's pull it back a little bit.
First day or not. But at some point, Jesse's going to continue to get to know Lexi.
And I'm sure like everyone, he's going to like learn some things he likes and some things he doesn't like. Right now, he's just obsessed with how hot she is.
He does think she may be ditzy. He does think she may be ditzy.
But doesn't care. Still wants to sleep with her.
I do feel like whatever's going to happen is going to be based off of Jesse's actions and not clarifying things. And somehow it's going to end up Lexi and Sierra are fighting because of Jesse's actions never having to take responsibility for being in the middle of it.
And that's exactly kind of Wes's shit. Wes takes zero accountability for what he did leading Sierra on but then the second that he's ready to move on.
But why is Sierra going to fight with her? Is that the big question? Because Lexi's going to be upset with Sierra based off of Jesse's actions and Sierra's going to take the brunt of it because that's what fucking happens. It's going to be the two women pit against each other when all Jesse has to say is, oh, I'm not that serious about you or I'm just messing around with my friend.
But it's going to be two girls fighting over the miscommunication based off of one man. Guys fight over women too.
Like, you know. No.
But they don't get pitted against each other in the same way that women do Lexi would have zero reason to be mad at Sierra if she's the one who's like if Jessie's the one who should take we don't even know what happened yet we'll see I already know which side you all will be on for sure this teaser is wild though because we also have Carl potentially talking to a girl and then Paige saying she caught Craig. I mean the talking to the girl was like so you're interested in lemurs or like whatever.
You look like a lemur so you like lemurs. That was what we saw of Carl talking to a girl.
It did not seem like he is like getting his swagger back. I mean listen he has been off the market for a year.
He's a, he's just, he's rusty. Yeah, he's just getting his confidence back.
Forget about his swagger. He's just, he's getting his mental health back.
He was so real when he walked in. He's like, I'm afraid.
I don't want to walk in there and the producer's like, well, it's normal. Like, you can.
And he's like, avoiding at all costs. Having the massive ultrasound poster board on the mantle.
Oh, my God. That was so funny.
Love. It was so funny.

What did Paige say about it?

She was just like,

Lindsay, I love her.

Also, Wes,

Wes immediate,

like,

do we know dad?

What's the baby's last name?

Babies,

do we know last name?

Don't you dare.

We're not doing this right now.

And was it Paige

that was like,

you can go up there

and ask her.

Amanda goes,

I dare you to go ask her right now.

And then he does.

I love Wes, actually.

It was really funny.

I love all of them.

Me too.

That's it. was it Paige that was like, you can go up there and ask her.
Amanda goes, I dare you to go ask her right now. And then he does.
I love Wes, actually. It was really funny.
I love all of them. Me too.
They're all great. I'm just meeting these people and I like all of them very much.
Yeah, they're all great. Do you think Jesse and Lexi will be together at the end of the season? No.
Do you think either of them will feel a certain way about it? Yes. Do you think Lexi will be very upset with Jessie?

Yes.

I don't think anything will affect Jessie.

I think Lexi will have a complex. It's going to be just like last season.

Same shit, different font.

Kyle is trying to be a more respectful husband,

so he's coming home at 2 a.m. instead of 4 a.m.

Can you imagine being four years old

and needing a pet on the back for being in bed by 2 a.m.?

Congratulations, sir. You are doing the bare minimum.
He's trying this season, though. I know.
I said finally. Even when he was like, you know, I had to really give her time for her friends and reinforce her doing what she wants to do.
I was like, okay, this is what we needed. Yeah.
Stop thinking about yourself and take a step back and look at what your wife needs. It is progress.
I'm not criticizing any relationship aspect of it. I'm just like blown away that a 40-year-old has the desire.
I think he said he's almost 42. To party that hard.
Stamina. Even then my favorite is that he like only came home like 10 minutes before the next taxi.
That was really. You all should have coordinated.
That's not on him. I came home before all the guys.
That's not on him though in his defense. Like, you know, sometimes when one person leaves the party the other guys are like, well like Well maybe we should just go I did love how As soon as he walked in that room Amanda shot up And checked her phone For what time it was And then was instantly like I'm annoyed at you Ow Ow Ow You know he put his hand On the bed And it pulled her hair Like you know It was right on her hair And she's like Get out of me Why is he sleeping naked Oh my god That's a really good question That's.
He always does. He's always been naked.
Why? Why he's sleeping naked? Yeah. You told me you hated my pajama pants.
So, and now you're like criticizing a man for sleeping naked. Wow.
Damn. Damn.
Gotcha. Shit got real.
Shit in that. And shit got silent over there.
A pair of pants she has. Not a pair.
You said the entire collection last night.

Because I said these,

and he said the entire collection.

You don't get to judge someone's PJ pants.

What did you not like about them?

Okay.

Thank you.

What was wrong with the pants?

There's plenty of clothes.

They just...

He wants me to wear thigh-high lingerie,

wired lace.

Oh, yeah.

To sleep?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cutouts on the vagina and nipple. Feathered heels.
Yes, feathered heels. He wants easier access.
He wants me to wear ashless chaps. He wants me to wear a naughty nurse outfit.
Anything but PJs. Is it because of the body touching? Because that's valid.
That's valid regardless what i want you to find body touching like skin to skin contact like if someone's bundled up i'm like why am i in bed with you you know oh please i might please do not touch me they're just not for me let's just be clear they're not for her literally that's what i said you can't win exactly but that's how you win Charm. Southern Charm.
I'm just reminded of just how unserious most of these guys are, but in particular, Shep. Yeah.
This episode was painful. The fact that he doesn't realize that she fucking hates his guts is the craziest thing.
Have some self-awareness. He's just not that into you, my guy.
At all. At all.
The Lulu land. Do you think he's playing into it? No.
No, I think he's trying to just like, I don't know. I think he feels like the love of his life he let go with Taylor.
And I think he's trying to like overcompensate with this new relationship acting like he has his shit together. And I did ayahuasca.
Now I'm a healed person. And now I know what love is.
Yeah, he really fucked up with Taylor. He really did.
And then I'm like, yeah, the fact that like going to another country to go see your partner and them not being at the airport for you, like that tells you everything you need to know. She left the room when he was changing.
He did. Left the room.
He's like, what do you, his face, like, what do you mean you've seen me change? She's like, yeah, meet me downstairs. I need space.
I can't. He's like, space? We've changed.
When you gotta tell your girlfriend, when you have to remind your girlfriend that you've changed together and she's like you yeah i know so i'm gonna see you downstairs well that was crazy but that's almost like the problem with this for shep is it's like you know he's been used to being old like his kind of like i don't get it like his aloofness at times it can be like almost charming and it really has charmed the pants out of a lot of people. But the problem is, he's now how old? 40? I know he's the same age as Jax.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
Old is he? 44. He is like the trust fund baby version of Jax.
He's 44, right? Yeah, but less harmful. And it's just like, in a relationship, that unserious person is like what you saw with Taylor, where it's just just like nothing was that serious anytime she wanted to have a serious conversation it was like what's the big deal like nothing was serious like and that's got to feel so fucking frustrating in a relationship with someone at this point of his in his life like i love the way shep craig and austin take care of each other like it really is charming.
That friendship, those three guys, that is something special that they have. It does evolve, though, and they do need to grow up.
You really see Shep in this stage of his life where you have Craig trying his ass to grow up, trying his best to grow up. We'll see if he continues to do so after post-page life.
Austin, not so much. Shep, I don't know, somewhere in between.

But yeah, he's this kind of an unserious person

that like I think is really starting to catch up with him

at this stage of his life.

Because it's kind of getting to the point

where it's just like, bro, you kind of have to be,

you're 44, you're be serious about something,

about anything, pick something.

Be a little serious about something.

And he's just so unserious about everything.

I also think him being forced to cut back on his drinking

based off of like BravoCon

and his friends not talking to him anymore.

I think that he's just so unserious about everything i also think him being forced to cut back on his drinking based off of like bravo con and his friends not talking to him anymore i think that he can no longer mask his bad behavior with his drinking or going out or blaming it on that so it's also kind of like yeah you're now being forced to like look at yourself what do you prioritize unfortunately now you're prioritizing the relationship taylor wanted with you with a girl who literally wants nothing to do with you. That's human nature.
You know, had I known then what I know now. And it's just like, unfortunately, Sienna's not the one.
But also it kind of seemed like Taylor was a lot more interested about Shep's and Sienna's relationship than I would be. I definitely wouldn't be calling my grandmother discussing it.
Taylor fucking died when she realized that she wasn't into Shep, his girlfriend. Sienna.
Sienna. Yeah.
Because like first she was like, she thought she was like having his new girlfriend's back. You're like, oh.
It's probably you. You gotta do something.
Your communication. And then Austin and Craig were like, no.
Honestly, she's playing him for a fool. And then when she realized that Shep's chasing this girl, she died inside.
You could tell. It broke her.
Oh, yeah. He's also flirting with Molly now.
Or maybe not flirting, but the whole bathing suit. Molly has a crush on Shep.
Yeah. So badly.
That's the next season storyline is them together, right? Next season, next episode. Well, I'm just saying, they're like, true.
He's done with Sienna. That's true.
They are broken up in my head now. And we are in Bahamas.
So if you need a shoulder to cry on in a bikini, it could be Molly. And Molly's really cool.
Molly deserves better than Shep to me, though, honestly. I mean, who knows? Healed Shep wouldn't be so bad.
When is Shep getting healed, though? I don't know, but I was just saying. Like, Molly just wants to play, like, she wants to listen to music, she wants to play her horn.
Shep needs to like, yeah, honestly, Shep needs to get broken. He needs to be broke by somebody, like a girl, a woman.
Was he not broken by Taylor and BravoCon and his friends and the drinking? Did that not break him enough? I feel like this is kind of like the final, like, shove the dagger in. It's like, bro, you can't even.
He needs to be willing to be serious about something and vulnerable about something. He's a mailbox money kid, though, so that's where I'm also kind of like he can start a bar tomorrow.
If it fails, no worries. But if he does great, just more money coming into his mailbox from his family.
He's rich. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Trust fun, baby.
There's an entire town that they were just in earlier for the derby that's named after his great-great-grandfather or some shit. Isn't that what Patricia was like, or Miss Pat was like, Sienna goes after rich men? Well, she apparently matched with Whitney.
Yeah. So that's where it's like- So I'm like, Whitney and Shep.
Check out. She lives in the Bahamas and is matching with people in South Carolina.
Or goes to parties with all the rich men. She's clearly on Raya.
Yeah. And she's claimed that her grandmother was the biggest fan of Southern Charm and somehow she ends up matching with Whitney and Shep

and she went on Instagram claiming that she

didn't know who either of these people were. Well that's why

she didn't change in front of Shep. She didn't want Gam Gam

to see her watching Naked Man on camera.

Okay. Sure that's what it is.

Yeah it's like

was it Serafina? Was it Serafina

and The Bachelor was like when she was like I'm not

not interested in you. My mom just like is watching show.
And I feel weird kissing in front of her. Because Grant was like, I just want to dress.
I feel like you're a little apprehensive with kissing me. Get off my TV screen.
I don't need your self-awareness. I don't care about mom or grandma.
If you're not here to play fucking... This is the pros.
This is reality TV.

This is ABC The Bachelor.

This is Bravo.

I mean, clearly she's very much a fan of this show.

She tried Whitney first.

Didn't work.

Now on to Shep.

Easy access.

Right in.

She's a fan of the show.

Yeah.

Not a fan of Shep.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, thank you guys for listening.

And thank you to our guests, Kazzy David. David David from Love is Blind and Parisa from The Bachelor we are back tomorrow for an amazing episode of Going Deeper with Alessia Cara she has her new album out Love and Hyperbole it's a great album but we have an even better conversation with her about just what she's been

up to kind of her break from music that she's taken why she's back her music in general just

a lovely human being and an even better conversation that is tomorrow on going deeper and then on

thursday of reality recap we have denise richards and chrishell staus joining us uh talking about

denise talking about her new hit show on bravo chrishell talking about exit from traders, that and so much more. We'll see you all then.
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