E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef

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Speaker 1 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and I got to say, I'm very optimistic about this bachelor season.

Speaker 1 Very. I'll get into it momentarily.
We have an amazing episode lined up for you. Obviously, we'll break down last night's episode of The Bachelor Premiere.
Grant's journey of love is now kicking off.

Speaker 1 We got Traders. We got some Salt Lake City reunion.
We have Robin and Nikki from Traders, both excommunicated from the castle. They will be joining us later in the show to talk about, you know, WTF.

Speaker 1 Why were they kicked out? Especially Nikki really got

Speaker 1 stabbed in the back. Michelle, really.
Michelle, really. She's like, I hate.

Speaker 1 I felt her pain.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't say it.

Speaker 4 She said it. She said, I'm here to catch traders.

Speaker 1 She's an empath.

Speaker 1 Lesson learned, guys. You know, if it's, if all you got is the energy in the room, like maybe don't vote off your bestie.

Speaker 5 It was like watching Bambi's mom shoot Bambi.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. Anyways, we'll get into that later this episode.

Speaker 1 Bachelor.

Speaker 1 I want to get into the bachelor. I want to kick things off.
Before we get to household headlines, I wasn't really sure. going into the season.

Speaker 1 We had the pleasure of interviewing Grant not too long ago. If you don't know much about Grant, you want to learn about Grant.
I know they don't do much with the intro package.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he was on Gen Season. And he didn't, you know, he was like a top five, top six.
Anyways, that episode, that going deeper with Grant is out there.

Speaker 1 But, you know, Grant, you know, nice guy, really, really, what I know, what we learned about Grant, super nice.

Speaker 1 Definitely a gentleman, successful, good looking, like, has a lot of qualities, but I wasn't sure about like, how, how messy could Grant get? You know, I wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 And then obviously, you know, never, you never know with the women they cast, you know, like, that's really not Grant's job, you know?

Speaker 1 And like, who knows, you know, they're not really ever casting for the the bachelor. So you never really know.
Here's why I'm optimistic.

Speaker 1 I'm super optimistic because I've always said if they, if the bachelor could pull this off, it would probably be one of the best seasons of all time.

Speaker 1 And if you guys saw the super tease, now the super tease, hard to trust sometimes because, you know, they, they really are a little, you know, specifically around the drama.

Speaker 1 So like, it does seem dramatic. But at the very end, boy, they were like, I don't know how that's edited to the point where like most of it's not true.

Speaker 1 And that at the end was assuming it's Grant talking to his dad. I believe that was his dad.
Uh-huh. also talking to Jesse, where it's just like going into the final date.

Speaker 1 Like Grant doesn't know who he was going to pick to the point where Jesse's like, hey, you need to decide because they bring the person you're not going to pick first.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, he's like, I don't fucking know. And like, if that's how, if that's how it plays out, it's going to be good.
It's going to be juicy. It's going to be messy.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, if we all love the women, his final two, then like, we're going to feel bad for one. It's going to be kind of awkward.
That's going to be great.

Speaker 1 What if we love one but hate the other? What if one of the two finalists are the villain of the season? Oh, that would be epic, right? Like lots of good possibilities.

Speaker 1 Anyways, very optimistic about this season. What did you all think of night one?

Speaker 3 I loved it. I was like, I don't know that I've seen The Bachelor make out with this many people the first night, but I was here for it.

Speaker 1 I was like, test the waters.

Speaker 1 Three?

Speaker 1 It was quite a few. It was more than 30.
There was a point where I was like, I wanted to go. I wanted Grant to just make out with every single one.
I was like, pour it up. Do it.
Get in there.

Speaker 3 But I actually loved his women. I still do think Allie Joe is going to be the villain.
Oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 There were five kisses, by the way.

Speaker 1 I don't think Allie Joe is going to be the villain. I think she's going to have an early exit.

Speaker 5 She might just be from Jersey.

Speaker 3 She was in the super teaser.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she was. I think the Puerto Rican lady.
Carolina. Yeah.
I think she's definitely going to be a villain. Do you think she's giving villain?

Speaker 1 There was a scene where she is like walking up some stairs and she's like... Basically said, yeah, I'm the villain or something villainous.

Speaker 3 Who is your favorite entrance?

Speaker 4 I think my favorite entrance was Latia.

Speaker 4 She's bad at basketball, but she had the sparkly. She just,

Speaker 4 the dress was insane. I mean, honestly, I feel like the fashion this season was kind of black.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 I was like, I really do love sparkles.

Speaker 4 No, a few of them pulled it off, but a few of them looked like they were just like guests at like a cocktail wedding attire.

Speaker 1 First kiss. Like, was this like a...

Speaker 4 Oh, no. She was giving fashion.

Speaker 1 I liked her. Alicia?

Speaker 4 Alicia.

Speaker 1 Alicia. She was giving bodice.

Speaker 4 She was giving fashion. She was like a chat.
The neck. She was giving fashion.

Speaker 1 Maybe, you know, what do I know?

Speaker 5 I don't know. It all kind of gives prom dress to me, but it's cute and I like it.
And I thought they were all really sweet.

Speaker 4 I feel like Rose could have maybe pulled something more. She just had like a silk satin dress, you know.
Chloe, the red high neck, was also kind of giving wedding guests.

Speaker 6 What about Dina?

Speaker 4 Dina's dress. Oh, Dina looked amazing.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Dina looked amazing.
So did Zoe, the t-shirt. Shooting the t-shirts.
That was my favorite.

Speaker 5 That was

Speaker 1 a good one.

Speaker 3 That was awesome.

Speaker 1 Plus, she was last.

Speaker 4 isn't she like an engineer yeah engineer and model that's so tight

Speaker 1 that's awesome rose came out first zoe she came out last that usually is important when did you come out well

Speaker 1 oh i was middle of the pack yeah i was an underdog baby

Speaker 1 they didn't see me coming

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 4 we got alex with the silent e uh got that was first impression for me

Speaker 1 at least we know at least we know it's now alex and not alexi or alexi

Speaker 1 um I was shocked by that First Impression Rose. Didn't see that coming.

Speaker 5 I didn't either. Maybe he was like, I feel like I have to give it to her because if she brings a llama and then she doesn't get the first impression rose, that's a little.

Speaker 4 I couldn't take the like skits with the llama. Oh, my God.
It was a bit much.

Speaker 3 It was too much.

Speaker 4 Everyone was doing it. Then Jesse was doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I loved it.

Speaker 6 Alicia beefing with the llama. I was like, I love Alicia more for this.

Speaker 1 Linda? Well, I'll say this.

Speaker 1 The First Impression Rose is very much the decision of the Bachelor. Very little influence from the producers go into that decision.
So he must really like her.

Speaker 1 And couple that with the fact that she also gets, Alex gets the first one-on-one date. That's like a double target on your back.
Ooh, same more.

Speaker 1 The former showrunner always told me after my time on the show that they tend to get their villain from either the first impression rose or the first one-on-one date because it puts a target on their back and then that person has a hard time handling the attention.

Speaker 1 You know, when you get that valid, early validation and if you feel like there's a connection, and then all of a sudden you feel like you have this connection, a bunch of people have had no time.

Speaker 1 So when you feel like you have a connection with someone, you take things more seriously.

Speaker 1 You start, you know, not even realizing, you start kind of dismissing your peers a little bit because they're like, they're out there hanging with their homies and you're falling in love and people are just kind of get annoyed by you.

Speaker 1 So it's a double whammy.

Speaker 5 So much for a no-drama llama.

Speaker 4 How did y'all feel about Bailey's constant selfies?

Speaker 1 Leia was triggered. Oh, my God.

Speaker 7 I fucking hated that.

Speaker 8 I literally.

Speaker 1 That's who she is.

Speaker 3 She's an influencer.

Speaker 8 It just, when I thought, I was like, oh, this is too much. And then she kept doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Also, not great quality. I'll say that.

Speaker 4 They weren't great quality.

Speaker 1 It was a vision into your life, Grant. I mean, like, take a picture of me.

Speaker 5 She was honest up front.

Speaker 1 I'll give her that. I do respect that.

Speaker 3 She, she knows that. I will say I liked the Bob bit.
Like, the bob bit was cute.

Speaker 4 That was funny. But it was just like the constant selfies that it was like, okay.
I mean, I guess it must have been some producer's phone.

Speaker 1 They were like, here, take this in with you.

Speaker 4 I will say night one, you know how, well, we're going to see all those photos on Bachelor's Instagram.

Speaker 1 You guys don't know this, but in the NFL world, they often say how week one is a lie because it's early in the season.

Speaker 1 You know, there's a lot of upsets because like it's week one, you know, teams aren't really at their full capacity. I would say the same about night one and the bachelor.

Speaker 1 I think we have to be careful about like our observations about who these people are, night one, because again, it's night one.

Speaker 1 they're super nervous they're coming out they're told to do a bit they're encouraged to do a bit they're encouraged to stand out so like let's let the dust settle we you never know like maybe bailey will just like completely lose the whole like phone bit like for those uh who are have been watching for a while peter weber season one of the more iconic seasons of all time a la Victoria is not showing up for hometowns, but Hannah Ann, another iconic character, everyone thought she was going to be a villain early on.

Speaker 1 She had like Champagne gate with kelsey and hannah ann really just kind of like settled in and like really became the unproblematic like sweet you know dare i say slightly boring and i mean that and i love hannah ann in the best possible way but like yeah it was you know you got to let the dust settle before like the real drama unfolds so you know week one's kind of a lie i did like juliana a lot i wish she would have actually taken a bite of that cannoli though Yeah, she really just only got the end.

Speaker 4 She was chewing for forever.

Speaker 5 She may have been like nervous, dry mouth. You know, when you like try to eat something and you're like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 She had lipstick on.

Speaker 6 What is she supposed to do? Ruin the makeup?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think she's

Speaker 1 going to be able to.

Speaker 5 If you're going to do a bit of lipstick,

Speaker 4 let him wipe the cannoli off your lip.

Speaker 1 Maybe a kiss. Maybe a little bit.

Speaker 5 Also, like, do a real lady in the tramp.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know,

Speaker 1 I want it real.

Speaker 6 What about Parisa's slideshow?

Speaker 1 That's cute. I loved it.
I loved it.

Speaker 1 At first, you know, obviously they did her dirty with like, ah, let's like take away the stereotype of crazy lady and cats while like looking at her rock collection.

Speaker 4 Laying on her stomach.

Speaker 1 I'm kind of obsessed with her. But it gets back to like, again, night one is about doing these types of things.
And I thought she delivered it and sold it in a great way.

Speaker 1 Like, obviously, you sit down for a PowerPoint, it's giving, like, oh, my God, like type A, you know, like, ugh, like, oh, my God. And then, like, she, she had a lot of fun with it.

Speaker 1 I thought she did a really good job. I was shocked that she got the last rose.

Speaker 1 But I think they get, she got the last rose because, you know, again, early on, they will always pick one or two people who they think kind of gives crazy eyes and like is the most animated facial expressions because like the longer they have to wait for the rows the more they just like lose their mind and it's like she seems to be a very animated has a lot of animated facial features so i don't think her getting last rows means she's like on the chopping block she looked like mariska haggerty that's all i could think she did uh special victims unit

Speaker 1 law and order your girl like her who looks like herisa she looks like her interesting i do not see that i don't see that sorry justin but wait they're both white and brunette No, it's the face, like the facial features.

Speaker 3 Did Parisa's slideshow at all give anybody How to Leave a Guy in 10 Days? And she's like, I'm family.

Speaker 5 Help him.

Speaker 5 Kids. I love her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But she did. In a cute way.
Very cute.

Speaker 3 I wish she would have like kind of...

Speaker 4 And maybe she did and they cut it out, but I wish she would have leaned into like, AI really knows us. Because that was.

Speaker 1 Because that was fucked.

Speaker 1 That was the first time AI showed up on the bet in the bachelor match. And that's kind of creepy.

Speaker 6 No, I thought she was good at Photoshopping.

Speaker 1 No, no, it was a little bit.

Speaker 4 I wish she would have been like ai knows us so well and it maybe would have there were like six fingers in there for sure yeah i bet that parishia would like make a mean youtube video essay though i was shocked that alicia got second to last rose after they kissed and had such a moment and yeah cute banter yeah they had a lot of chemistry could you imagine y'all kissing and then him being like you gotta go

Speaker 1 No, that she was imagining that for like an hour because that first rose ceremony when he like walks in, says like four names, walks out, waits five minutes, comes in, says four more names, walks out.

Speaker 1 And then sometimes if he like forgets the four names, because like they'll always, they usually give you four names and they're like, if you forget, doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Honestly, you can do one at a time because every time you walk out, they won't know why. They'll freak the fuck out.
It'll be, it'll be great. But usually it's four.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they'll give you four names and you walk in, walk out, give four. And then you're just waiting the whole time.
So yeah, that probably, that first rose ceremony took like 45 minutes.

Speaker 1 And she was just like going in, being like,

Speaker 1 oh, and I got the first kiss, blah, blah, blah. And then he's just like handing out the roses.

Speaker 1 Anyways, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's also kind of, it was intense when he would just grab the rose and just stop at every group of women and then be like, okay, keep going.

Speaker 1 That was the first impression. Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 Wait, Rose and the Clay Rings. I thought that was cute.

Speaker 1 The mood ring? The clay rings. And they had the clay and they were, yeah.
Yeah. And then Grant's sister pulled up.
I kind of like that mood. I liked it.
I called it, though.

Speaker 1 I was like, it's his sister. It's definitely his sister.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. I was with them.
I was like, is this an ex? Like, this is so shady.

Speaker 4 She looks exactly like Grant. I feel like as soon as they saw her, they would have been like,

Speaker 1 they're related in some ways. That's so true for us.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 well, they were cutting in and out to the ITMs of all the women giving commentary. And it was always like, this girl, she's a baddie.
She's awesome. She's this.
She's that.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, it's definitely a sister. Because otherwise it would have been like, who's this motherfucking

Speaker 1 showing up late? Yeah. Like, you could tell it was sunlight.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. And he was like, oh, shit, but not like, oh, shit.

Speaker 5 You know, like, he was too excited for it to be somebody dark from his past.

Speaker 1 Great looking family. Yeah.
Yeah. Great looking family.
Yeah. Fun little bit.
Anyways, optimistic about this season. Wasn't sure going in, but

Speaker 1 I'll be tuning in.

Speaker 3 They're doing the damn thing.

Speaker 1 Do you guys have any frontrunners? Dina. Zoe.

Speaker 4 I think Juliana for sure.

Speaker 4 Zoe, yeah. Latia.
I have

Speaker 1 a basketball.

Speaker 3 No, that wasn't. No, that was Janae.

Speaker 5 Oh, no. Janae did the chalk and Janae went home.
I was really dumb.

Speaker 8 Zoe was the t-shirt.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, Letia.

Speaker 4 Latia had the sparkly basketball.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say my top four right now are going to be Latia, Zoe, Rose. Rose, you think? Maybe.

Speaker 1 Alex.

Speaker 4 There were so many clips of her like sobbing, crying.

Speaker 1 You can only be sobbing, crying.

Speaker 6 Rose is like, you did me so dirty.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Mine's Alex. It's definitely not Carolina because you saw that clip of her going to Grant being like, what did you say about me?

Speaker 1 Carolina, I think she's going to go the way of

Speaker 6 Sydney.

Speaker 1 She's going to be like top six. She'll go home right before hometowns.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 She was going to be one of my fun lists.

Speaker 1 She can be.

Speaker 3 Carolina.

Speaker 1 We're just guessing here.

Speaker 3 Alex, Alicia.

Speaker 1 And yeah, that's what I got so far.

Speaker 1 Zoe, Latia,

Speaker 1 Rose,

Speaker 4 and then Juliana.

Speaker 1 Natalie.

Speaker 6 Juliana for sure.

Speaker 4 Natalie Mayfield.

Speaker 1 She's Juliana.

Speaker 4 Juliana's the one who ate the cannoli, and they had that cute banter. She was like playing the piano, and he was like, you're so talented.

Speaker 4 And they're going, they were kissing and he was like she was talking during the kissing and they were like oh yeah

Speaker 1 yeah i guess we'll see uh carolina i think the fact that she i loved how she admitted dating a dj yeah yeah that was good some some good self-awareness it was but like the i think she's like she she's been like behind the dj booth a lot i think yeah i think i think this environment that she in is not as intimidating for her as it is some of for these other women and i think that's why she's ultimately going to be the villain.

Speaker 1 She's going to be unafraid and cocky and confident. And like, it's going to start rubbing some of these women the wrong way.

Speaker 6 She was crying every two seconds.

Speaker 1 So in the super tease?

Speaker 4 No, just

Speaker 1 like episode one. Just

Speaker 6 every conversation. Tears.

Speaker 1 I don't know why I'm doing this. Yeah.
We don't either.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, exciting times.
All right. Household headlines.
What do we got?

Speaker 6 Love is Blind is returning on Valentine's Day for season eight.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Love is still in the air. Wow.
Where is this season to go? I think it's Minnesota.

Speaker 6 It's Minnesota, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Minneapolis. The Twin Cities.

Speaker 5 The home of Prince.

Speaker 1 The Home of Prince. Midwest drama.

Speaker 6 Do you think people are actually watching this on Valentine's Day? Because you know the first batch is like three, four episodes.

Speaker 1 We will be. I will be.

Speaker 4 Well, I feel like Valentine's Day is like at this point a little overrated. You know, I feel like people, less and less people are going out to dinner and like doing this big hurrah.

Speaker 4 I feel like most people now are like, let's order in. Let's like watch a movie.
Let's dinner.

Speaker 3 Do something cute together personal. Because have you been to lunch or dinner on Valentine's Day?

Speaker 1 In LA? Yeah, it's a

Speaker 3 mess. It's a pre-fixed menu.

Speaker 1 You're sitting there with like

Speaker 3 couples that are like, couldn't get a babysitter. So you're in between strollers.
And this is like Beverly Hills. Like, I'm like, we did this last year.

Speaker 3 And I was like, never again are we going out for Valentine's Day.

Speaker 5 I say, I just like. everything being heart-shaped that you can buy.
As someone that really loves like a little heart-shaped, no matter what time of year it is, I get to bulk up.

Speaker 4 Nick and I went to HomeGoods the other day and I just ordered Valentine's Day baskets and I got Easter baskets. And so I was like, okay, I've got to like find some stuff to fill these.

Speaker 4 And we were in HomeGoods and Nick was like, what is all? I mean, they've got like this heart-shaped noodles and glitter. And he's like, who is buying this? Like, oh, it's popcorn.

Speaker 1 Yeah. In the shape of a heart?

Speaker 4 No, it was, it was a bench.

Speaker 1 Oh. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But it was very much that trend on TikTok that's like, have you ever, do you, excuse me, ma'am, do you have a

Speaker 1 five-foot looking?

Speaker 1 You got to do that. It's the weirdest shit.

Speaker 4 And they're like, oh, yeah, right over here.

Speaker 6 It's like, do you have a frog doing a backwards yoga pose while holding a hose?

Speaker 1 Do you have a statue of a corner of the cob that's peeled like a banana that kind of looks a little phallic? Yes, we did. We just got it in.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then we went to the Apple store, which was triggering for me. I broke, I shattered my phone.

Speaker 4 Trying to steal a lemon from our neighbor's tree.

Speaker 1 They were comfortable.

Speaker 1 They were hanging over in our yard. They have a giant lemon tree.

Speaker 1 There's hundreds of lemons, more than enough to go around anyways some are hanging over we i was uh i was it's giving um curb your enthusiasm yes it is giving larry david he like wants him to pay to have the tree removed or whatever yeah anyways i was making shish kebabs which was already in an epic fail natalie hated it i really failed dinner yeah how do you feel shish kebabs i don't want to talk about it

Speaker 1 um natalie was like i guess i'll have cereal

Speaker 4 i wanted to order chinese and he was like what if we just made like shish kebabs? That's different and new like chicken kebabs.

Speaker 1 And I was like, all right, sure, I could do that.

Speaker 4 Anyways, the chicken wasn't cooked.

Speaker 1 It was cooked. Like in Southern Haskell, it was just like, it was like.

Speaker 1 It was fine. It was more than fine.
It wasn't my best work, but the rice was all wrong.

Speaker 1 So in the process of procuring two lemons, I shattered my phone, like shattered. Like it was like, it wasn't like the screen was just.

Speaker 4 It wasn't even shattered. It was just like glitched.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like, it didn't break the screen but like the whole screen was green it was like yeah it was giving technical difficulties oh my god technical difficulty so in the morning night i decided to go to the apple store i had some laptop issues i figured you know what let's just go and you know i had some old airbuds that i needed to like hopefully replace as well and we went there early and then i was like oh it turns out they're not open till 11.

Speaker 1 we left at 10.

Speaker 1 so like let's go to home depot and like have some quality time and home goods home goods whatever and then so we promptly got to the apple store i got to the apple store at 11 o'clock as soon as they opened up, there was like me and three other people.

Speaker 1 There's no one there. It was raining.
Finally, it rained in LA, by the way. Yay, for all of us.

Speaker 1 And then I'm like, hey, I need to buy a phone. No problem.
They're quick to help me about that. Buying anything, no problem.
Tons of people. Hey, I have also, I have my laptop and some stuff.

Speaker 1 I have some help. I'm like, oh, well, do you have an appointment for that? I'm like, no, there's like three people in the store.
Well, I guess, you know what? You know what? We can help you out.

Speaker 1 Is if like they're doing me a favor.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, there's also a guy like on a microphone yelling out, being like, all right, the workshop starts in five minutes there's three people in the fucking store and he's like on a microphone yelling to the whole store well i'm just trying to get some help for my laptop and my phone and my airbuds and then they made me appointment for my laptop and then so they're like oh well it's your charging cord i'm like great can i get it because i got the laptop like six months ago yeah like let's see if it's under warranty but we have to like book an appointment for that to like see if it's under warranty like i guess anyways I had the appointment.

Speaker 1 And they're like, what about my Airbus? Like, do you have an appointment for that? I'm like, this isn't my appointment. No, you have to book a separate appointment for that.
I'm like, huh?

Speaker 1 I'm like about to lose my fucking mind. Derek worked at a Apple store.
I don't know how he did it. I don't know what's.

Speaker 3 Wait, are you telling me that you have to have a separate appointment?

Speaker 1 That's what they were telling me.

Speaker 6 Which one did you go to?

Speaker 1 Was it the Grove? The one in the Americana? I don't know. Anyways, but they're like, oh, good news.
We have an appointment. No, your computer is under warranty.

Speaker 1 We can replace your charging cord. Oh, bad news.
We don't have that replacement cord in the color of this one. So we're, you know, like,

Speaker 1 we can't give you a new one here. We can ship it it to you.
And I'm like, well, I have no other way to like charge my laptop.

Speaker 1 So I thought, by the way, the color?

Speaker 8 Wait, they wouldn't give it to you because it was the wrong?

Speaker 1 Because, yeah, apparently a different color. But, so I'm like, well, I guess I'll just have to buy one.
Because then I thought I was going to get a different color.

Speaker 1 No, I got the same color, but like that one's available for purchase, not for the replacement. Oh my God.
I'm losing my mind.

Speaker 5 Yeah, this does sound like a curb episode.

Speaker 1 Then, then while I'm like getting my new phone and uploading it, I'm like, my, my, my computer is like at like 1%. So I'm like, hey, do you have any like chargers for this laptop?

Speaker 1 Now I got one of the new laptops. And you know how like every like six months, like Apple like changes all their chargers?

Speaker 1 And like my old laptop had the two USBs. And then like, remember the one that had like the magnetic charger? That's one mine has now where it just kind of breaks away.
Well, turns out.

Speaker 1 My computer charges both ways. I never knew.
And they, the guys who sold me the new charger, never fucking told me. But this other guy's like, oh, you can use this.

Speaker 1 I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? This is after I spent $50

Speaker 1 on a charger that is under warranty that they told me they couldn't sell me this one.

Speaker 1 I was about to lose my fucking mind. That's warranted.
I think that's absolutely fair. Tim Cook and then

Speaker 4 Nick rolled his eyes and gave some attitude.

Speaker 1 I just rolled my eyes. He's like, are you mad at me? I'm like.
A little bit. He's like, are you mad at me or Apple?

Speaker 4 And Nick was like, Apple. And he was like, because I just work here.

Speaker 1 That's such a meme.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 solid. You know what? No, I think so.
Now I'm like, now I hate you. Now I think you're an asshole.
And I hope that the rest of your life is nothing but misery.

Speaker 6 Nick, I want you to know that you're seen. I've also been a Karen in an Apple before.

Speaker 1 I tell you.

Speaker 1 It was triggering. It was really, really, really fucking triggering.

Speaker 4 I feel like we all have a place or something that brings out a Karen in us. And mine is the people who knock on my door after they walk past my no soliciting sign.
And you witnessed me

Speaker 4 the other day as this woman. It's always when River's down for a nap and the dogs go crazy when people ring the doorbell and this girl was like hi uh mr

Speaker 4 i'm not even going to try to pronounce it and i was like i'm his wife and she was like okay we were just replacing windows do you have any windows or doors that you would like me to look at to replace and i was like no but did you see the no soliciting sign and she was like oh i see it now and i was like great because you just woke up my baby with my dogs barking and she was like all right well i'll be uh seeing myself out as you should thank you thank you i feel like we all have a place that the DMV, I feel like, brings out a lot of Karen's.

Speaker 1 That should, though. It's the DMV.
Gas stations.

Speaker 1 You know, the DMV is run by an inefficient government and like whatever. Like, Apple is like richer than most countries.
It's the richest company in the world because they're pricks. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know what's annoying at an Apple store is if you ask for someone above them, they'll be like, I'm the highest person here.

Speaker 6 That's what got me irritated.

Speaker 1 If that were to happen to me, I'm digging my feet in. I'm not leaving.

Speaker 1 That's not true.

Speaker 6 Let's just say I have a corporate contact after that visit.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Your follow-through, Justin, is really... It's impressive.

Speaker 1 I aspire

Speaker 1 for it. Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, most people are just threateners, but you're actually like...

Speaker 6 I say it peacefully, and I think that's where they're like, oh, we can't even say this person's mad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's great.

Speaker 1 My faith crumbles.

Speaker 4 Do y'all know what's going on with Billy Ray Cyrus right now?

Speaker 1 Not good, I don't think. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I know Trace, he posted an Instagram post, full post with caption saying that he's praying for his father. Like, I hope he gets help.
He may not be here for long.

Speaker 6 A lot of like strong emotions in that post, but he's not explicitly saying what's going on. I know people are assuming that it's like addiction, maybe alcohol.

Speaker 4 Well, I remember when him and Phyrose got a divorce, and there was like audio footage released of him, like screaming at her or something.

Speaker 4 And then I know Miley has spoken about how she's like, I got my narcissistic side from my father, and none of them communicate with him or something.

Speaker 4 But then, yeah, I saw Trace Cyrus, Cyrus, which I didn't even know there was a Trace Cyrus. And I guess there's another son, too.

Speaker 8 It's Brayson.

Speaker 1 Brayson. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 I mean, it seems like an ongoing saga that this family obviously faces constant turmoil and a lot of sadness. I don't, you know.

Speaker 3 I mean, I do feel sad for him that he feels like he needs to come to Instagram and hopes that that'll be a way to get through to his dad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a sad situation. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I don't know.

Speaker 6 Scary movie is being rebooted, and I'm personally very happy about this.

Speaker 6 On a far a seance, I'm ready, just everybody, but I mean, it came to my attention that Nick can care less about the scary movies, never really got into it.

Speaker 1 I didn't really even get into the screams after like scream one, but it's my understanding that the scary movies franchise first was based off the scream.

Speaker 6 The first one is, but like every other movie is about like a different

Speaker 1 scary movie, and we're they scary is. I think Joel McHale was scary.
They're like parodies

Speaker 1 in the most recent scary movie. I knew that just because fan of his.
Any other any other reasons why we're excited about it i just think we need like

Speaker 3 because i used to do it where i'd watch this like the actual horror movie and then watch the scary movie version after and then i'd be like healed and the first two were directed by the wayans brothers i don't know who directed the other few but the wayans brothers are taking it back over so this will be directed by them again so it'll be in the vein i'm assuming of the first two which was explicitly funny ashley tisdale was in the last one with medea yep

Speaker 1 actually

Speaker 5 it's just i feel like we're severely lacking in just good goofy silly fun. Yeah.
For like pure idiotic and lunatic purposes.

Speaker 1 I don't know. And that's what I'm really happy.

Speaker 3 I just want to like sit in a movie and just like be allowed to laugh.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it is actually funny. Yeah.
They're like, they're spoofs.

Speaker 6 Have you seen the scene of where she's like, Cindy, the TV's leaking?

Speaker 6 You've never seen that or heard it?

Speaker 1 Have you seen The Ring? No.

Speaker 6 Okay. I think you need to watch one.
You'll enjoy it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you like scary movies?

Speaker 3 It depends on how scary, I guess.

Speaker 4 Like, I don't want nightmares. Yeah.
But I also like...

Speaker 6 that's why you watch a scary movie.

Speaker 4 But is it like

Speaker 6 you might feel for a second, like, oh, this is kind of scary, but then they immediately make you laugh.

Speaker 5 Yeah, okay. And then it's like a dick joke.

Speaker 1 A dick joke. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Love a dick joke. All right.
Love a dick joke. In the spirit of since everyone responded to my losing my mind over the Girl Scout cookie.
Were they on your side or off your side? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Don't care. Okay.
People had opinions. I had one.
But I came up with, I have a new like fun segment I want to do. Daily Dilemma, Leia came up with the title.

Speaker 1 Of random family saga stories where there may or may not be a debate to be had. This week's edition is wedding themed.
Leia, can you read that headline?

Speaker 9 Absolutely.

Speaker 8 Mom catches heat for agreeing to pay for her daughter's wedding, but not her stepdaughter's.

Speaker 4 Ooh. Valid.

Speaker 8 I'll give a little more context if you want.

Speaker 1 Yes, please.

Speaker 8 Okay, so the two daughters have gotten engaged, and only Hannah was informed that her wedding would be paid for.

Speaker 8 When Alexa asked her father if he and her biological mother would be paying for her wedding, he told her no. He said she should have a wedding that she and her fiancé can afford.

Speaker 8 The sisters went to lunch, and Alexa found out that Hannah's wedding was being paid for, and she called her dad crying that it's unfair.

Speaker 1 So, wait,

Speaker 1 who's the biological parent here?

Speaker 6 The dad. Alexa asked her father.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's the dad.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's it's her stepdaughter. So the dad is the biological parent, the mother is the stepmother.

Speaker 1 Damn. That's dirty.
Who's paying for it, though? Is it the stepmom?

Speaker 1 Or like, is who makes the bucks, man?

Speaker 5 I think it's dirty. I don't like it.

Speaker 1 But like, when were they?

Speaker 4 If the mom, if I want to pay for Rivers' wedding and you, like, had a kid with someone prior, you can pay for their wedding.

Speaker 1 You and her mom can pay for that wedding. You know, like, if this couple got married three years ago or something and like the mom, her whole life has been saving up for her daughter's wedding.

Speaker 8 That is what happened. The mother was saving up for the wedding.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 So John believes that they should split the money evenly between the sisters, although the woman told him no, because I was the one who had been saving the money.

Speaker 1 I'm team mom here. Yeah, valid.

Speaker 4 Team mom. How long have they been married? Do we know that? Dad, dad.
Have they been married for like, has the stepdaughter been in her life for like five years?

Speaker 5 That's the thing. Is it like they got remarried when the stepdaughter was like 10 or when she was like 30? Because I think that's that's also different

Speaker 1 you know how old are the girls now i'm not sure either way i think i'm team mom i think i'm i'm

Speaker 1 i think

Speaker 3 i think the stepchild's biological mom and her biological dad should step up to the plate and help her out maybe there's no mom when their daughter was 10 years old from that point forward it was decided that she and john would split hannah's cost while he would split alexis cost with her mother she claims that at the moment she told john that she was starting a savings account for Hannah and hoped I could save enough money to pay for her wedding or a down payment on a house.

Speaker 3 The woman said their finances are kept separate and the conversation didn't come up again.

Speaker 3 So this was a conversation they had when one of their daughters at least was 10 years old and she said, I'm saving up for my daughter to have a wedding.

Speaker 3 John could have asked Alexa's mom to start a bank account to save up for their wedding, did not.

Speaker 1 And this is where we're at right now.

Speaker 4 And I don't think she's an asshole for no, I'm a teen mom.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Teen mom.

Speaker 6 I have step siblings.

Speaker 1 I'm also, there's a lot of stepkids out there who are not happy. Who do not agree?

Speaker 3 Yeah. But take that up with John.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 John, you fucked up. Dirty John.
Dirty John, man. Yeah, absolutely.
Dirty John. Would you get married at a Chuck E.
Cheese?

Speaker 6 I already did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, like, what? Chuck E. Cheese has had an April Fool's joke, right? Or something about a wedding package?

Speaker 6 About saying, like, yeah, there's a wedding package, and then basically a couple had a wedding at 8 a.m. out of Chuck E.
Cheese for $800.

Speaker 4 8 a.m. That's early risers to go to that wedding.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but like she opted out.

Speaker 1 Like what the what I found fascinating about this story is like because she was going to have a different, more expensive wedding at a different, more expensive pizza place.

Speaker 3 It says because the bride wanted to have a fun wedding that didn't break the bank. She started looking for local pizza restaurants that could host around 25 guests, but everything exceeded her budget.

Speaker 3 I thought it didn't make sense to spend thousands on a pizza dinner. So I tried to think outside the box and come up with a venue that would be more fun, but still on the cheaper side.
And

Speaker 1 they landed on the side. Because honestly, like if you're going to go to a pizza joint, just

Speaker 1 pick the cheapest one. The one you could have more fun.

Speaker 5 So you were going to say, if you're going to go to, gonna go to a pizza joint, just get married.

Speaker 1 There's that.

Speaker 3 But what I thought was also super cute about this story is that not only was it only $800,

Speaker 3 everybody got an unlimited game bracelet. So they were all playing arcade games for the reception.
And then their like parting gift was they got a prize with the tickets that they won.

Speaker 6 And they also did it before they opened to the public, 11 a.m. So there's not a ton of kids just running around.

Speaker 4 That's cute. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 I think they nailed it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 No, it's definitely.

Speaker 1 If your sister-in-law doesn't own a beautiful animal farm where you can have a Yellowstone theme type wedding, go Chuck E. Cheese.
Yeah. You know, legit, though.

Speaker 1 Like, that's what we would, honestly, it was like that or Chuck E. Cheese.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 So I would go Margaritaville. City Walk Margaritaville.

Speaker 1 I think I'd probably do like

Speaker 4 a movie theater that had the arcade in it.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Definitely want to love that.

Speaker 6 Another dilemma. Uber is giving out free month of rides for teens who fail their driver's tests.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is an Uber scam. I don't know.

Speaker 4 So we're congratulating them for failing.

Speaker 5 So like dumb kids get free rides?

Speaker 6 The reason they're doing it is basically they're trying to help the parents out. So they're saying because the parents have busy schedules with like dropping them off at practice to school.

Speaker 1 Take care of your kids.

Speaker 4 I'm not putting my kid in an Uber.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, Uber's like, sorry, parents, you're too busy not parenting your kids.
Let us

Speaker 1 strange man take your kid to soccer practice.

Speaker 6 Well, so it's like a teen account connected to the parents' account. So I think it's, you could assume it's a more safer account.

Speaker 1 Oh, so they're letting the drivers know that a minor is about to enter their vehicle.

Speaker 1 They're giving them a heads up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what it sounds like. You're trying too hard, Uber.
Yeah. Hey, parents, just parent.

Speaker 1 Be involved with your kids.

Speaker 5 Why don't you have driving lessons for kids then?

Speaker 1 Like, I

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 4 Maybe teach them a skill instead of putting them in a car along with a stranger,

Speaker 4 yeah, teach them how to drive.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, maybe that's what they're doing. Yeah.
The driving test can be hard for some people.

Speaker 5 Not for me. I passed for flying colors.

Speaker 1 I failed my first one. You did? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Your written test, you failed like three.

Speaker 1 That's as an adult. No, when I was 16.
No, the written tests in California are bullshit. And it's like, it's, they're complicated questions.

Speaker 1 No, my first driver's test. I, uh,

Speaker 1 you know, um,

Speaker 1 it was a four-way stop.

Speaker 1 So I I thought you totally paused I paused and then there was a car coming it was uh and then the driver's like yeah there there's a car coming you failed uh but then the second time I only got one point off wait what do you mean so you stopped at a just an intersection that was go I was about to go and I would have made it for sure but the instructor told me to stop and since they had to like stop me from going I guess that was an automatic fail of some kind I don't know wait can I just say that I don't think driver instructors get enough credit because that's a very dangerous job like think about that that you're literally in the car with somebody who does not know how to drive while everybody else is driving you've got people driving crazy because they're experienced no no some of them do you're putting your life in danger but some of them no

Speaker 8 nick natalie who's gonna be the one to sit in the car and do all the hours with river

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 why

Speaker 1 do you think you'll handle it more calmly um i just feel like

Speaker 4 i do think i'm a better driver and i feel feel like we learned that with your whole, what story was that?

Speaker 1 Running out of gas story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that has to do with my driver's fails, but you know, you also failed your adult test a few times.

Speaker 4 You just admitted to that.

Speaker 1 So then you failed your first test. You tried to pass that test.

Speaker 1 I did. I do still have a Georgia driver's license

Speaker 1 because I'm scared.

Speaker 1 You know, it's not going my way. All right.
Well, coming up shortly, Robin from Traders, who was one of the two that was voted off,

Speaker 1 we are excited to talk to her. But first, for all of you, and we'll spend a brief amount of time on it, because it has gotten real toxic out there.

Speaker 1 Guys, we are very much obviously in the minority when it comes to the Blake and Justin. Oh, I'm getting threats in my DMs.
I'm getting fucked.

Speaker 4 You better stop talking about Justin or Else type of DMs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is crazy. Colleen Hoover had to deactivate her Instagram.
She's being harassed and bullied so much.

Speaker 1 A friend of show, like Liz Plank, Justin's former co-host, one of many people who has separated herself from Justin, also getting harassed and bullied online.

Speaker 1 But anyways, yeah, it's getting real toxic out there, which I thought, I think we were, you know, kind of surprised about just because, like, obviously, you guys know you're aware of our opinion on the case, but like, if you are on the other side of things, it was just like shocking.

Speaker 1 People are literally sending Natalie threats, which is also interesting because no one's sending me those threats. I'm sure they will now.

Speaker 1 I mean, I see people like trying to like discredit our, you know, because like one of the few shows out there, like, who are not Team Justin, like a lot of like like the army of justin influences are like you know definitely uh coming for us uh which is always funny and fun but i will say i did talk to some people over the weekend and i got a better understanding of where the team justin people are landing and why they're landing and why there may be such vitriol if you are team justin my friend went to a dinner party and overheard a group of women talking and they were very much anti-blake right They were making some wild comparisons.

Speaker 1 I think the general theme of this group of women, the why they thought about Blake, according to my friend, was they think she's lying.

Speaker 1 They think she's making this story all up, which I do think that's the one thing all of us can agree on, that if Blake is just falsely accusing this man and making up stories, that would be like one of the worst things someone can do, given like just the damage of what it does to the real victims out there.

Speaker 1 And then I got a phone call from a friend whose opinion I really respect and trust. It was a work colleague, an acquaintance.
you know, haven't heard from a while, but do very much trust their

Speaker 1 opinion. And they were not Team Blank.

Speaker 1 I will say the people I did talk to, though, however, acknowledge that most information she is getting or forming her opinion around is just watching clips online.

Speaker 1 She's like, yeah, I didn't listen to your show. I'm like, that's fine.
So it is a bunch of online.

Speaker 4 Did she read the complaints and the lawsuits and stuff?

Speaker 1 Unclear. I think she's reading like a lot of people, you know, because there's a lot of creators covering it and they're posting clips of the complaints.

Speaker 1 So I don't think she sat down and read all the complaints, which I have done. But I think her big takeaway is like, she like, she said she was in Blake's camp at first.

Speaker 1 And then when this video came out, that like kind of changed her opinion in the sense that like, apparently after watching this video and reading Blake's complaint, it was like Blake's complaint didn't match the video.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to get into that. There's a lot of different opinions on out there right now, but that was just her opinion.
So yeah, I think she just kind of thinks she's being a Karen.

Speaker 1 And then like, she also referenced how like recently Blake's team like referred to Justin as an abuser. And she was just like, you know, none of these complaints.

Speaker 1 Like, she's like, it doesn't say abuser to me. And my response to her was, well, listen, like, and I would say this to anyone who's been on Justin's camp.

Speaker 1 I was like, if you got hired at a job for, let's say, a three-month engagement to consult on a job and the boss of that job is someone that you were going to be working with every day.

Speaker 1 And the reputation of this person that you were working with every day was like, he was, they were a saint.

Speaker 1 And then two weeks into it, all of a sudden they started like giving you the ick here or there. They started making you feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 Then one day that I called your friend behind your back, elicited some personal information, just a bunch bunch of little things that were just like, I don't want to go to work anymore.

Speaker 1 I'm uncomfortable. And then you finally complained.
Turns out they were also HR, but you finally complained. And then you found out.
And again, this is just my interpretation of the events.

Speaker 1 I don't want to get into what people disagree with. You finally complained.
And then you found out that person hired.

Speaker 1 people to bully you and your family and harass your other coworkers about you online and really make your life miserable. Like, wouldn't you think that person is an abuser?

Speaker 1 And they were like, yeah, I guess I kind of. That's just kind of how I see it.

Speaker 1 But the the reason why my opinion is what it is is strongly based off of the fact that I interviewed Justin a long time ago, read his books, consumed his content.

Speaker 1 And I just personally think that if you're going to make your whole platform through the books you write, the podcasts you do, the TED Talks you do, you are the voice for women to hear their sorrows and their pains and champion them and lecture men.

Speaker 1 And literally, his message is, hey, guys, are you man enough to believe women's stories? That is Justin's literal message. If you're going to do that, ultimately, in my mind, you're selling safety.

Speaker 1 You are selling, I am safe to a group of vulnerable people. And that vulnerable group is any woman who's ever had a bad experience with a bad actor who's a man.

Speaker 1 And so when you are selling that you are safe, you're literally saying, you can put your guard down around me.

Speaker 1 And it's just a lot easier to protect yourself when you see something coming versus when you don't see it coming.

Speaker 1 And I said to my friend, like, if I went to go see my priest for like counsel and then out of nowhere, my priest started talking to me about porn they like, I would probably feel way more uncomfortable than if like my kind of gross friend did it, right?

Speaker 1 And he put that responsibility on himself. So in my mind, if you're going to do that, you better walk the walk.
And my standards for people like that are so high.

Speaker 1 And that's why I have such a strong opinion, because I just think it's highly unlikely that he walked the walk that he did. Like she's accusing him of sexual harassment, not sexual assault.

Speaker 1 I think he did a bunch of weird, creepy little things. And I think she told on him because she wanted to get back to work.

Speaker 1 And I think he's hired a bunch of people who have created a lot of discourse and influence. But anyways, that's our opinion.

Speaker 1 I don't know why it's gotten so toxic, but I think we're trying to back off it a little bit so people can stop threatening my wife. But we'll see how things play out.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be like Mary made this joke. Like it's going to be like that Britney Spears doc.
As time pass, like people are going to watch it and be like, oh, we should have known.

Speaker 5 Be like, in 10 years, they're going to be like a bunch of Twitter threads being like, Blake Lively was always the victim and you guys just like didn't know. Like you see with Amber Heard.

Speaker 5 It's just like such bullshit.

Speaker 1 It's like maybe we could just believe a woman. I think Justin and Blake want to go to court.
That's my prediction. I think Justin's New York Times case is going to get thrown out.

Speaker 1 And a lot of legal people I've talked to, I think him and his team are going to end up owing the New York Times money.

Speaker 1 And I wouldn't be shocked if his lawsuit against Blake and Ryan also gets thrown out. And I think Blake's going to win.

Speaker 1 And I think when that happens, it'll be interesting to see all the alleged witnesses. according to Blake's complaint, what they say, and the other details that we really don't know about.

Speaker 1 And I guess we'll see. And then maybe you guys can tell us we were totally wrong and we're not.
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Speaker 7 robin hi how's it going great how are you we're doing great we're sad that you're not on traders anymore i'm sad too i had unfinished business all right well let's start it there what was the business that you wanted to do before you got sent home after that roundtable I was thinking, like, I gave it some thought and I instantly was like, okay, Boston Rob is a traitor just based on

Speaker 7 drag queen's response to him he was he had such like a visceral angry reaction to him calling him a traitor i just knew i was like okay this is a different response than dyling accusing bob the drag queen of being a traitor so i was convinced that boston rob was a traitor and i was going to get him the next day so i was so upset when they murdered me and when I found out they didn't banish Boston Rob that night.

Speaker 4 I mean, that is a good take, but I do, and I said this with Wells, I feel like the people you throw out at the roundtable, I mean, clearly none of them were traitors, but it was like, what?

Speaker 12 She thinks they are? What?

Speaker 4 What were you kind of going off of?

Speaker 7 Well, I'm not the only one that was wrong on people.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no. I know.
I know. I know.
There's a lot of people that are wrong. I mean,

Speaker 7 you know, I'm not the only one. I was just probably vocal.
because I'm just like, you know, I'm not here to just like be one of those people who just kind of sits here quiet and tries to sneak by.

Speaker 7 I just wanted to, you know, I came there to make a television show and I just wanted to make a television show.

Speaker 7 And so for me, it wouldn't have felt right if I was sitting there just like being quiet and not saying anything. And you've got to like think about what it's like to be in our shoes.

Speaker 7 Like I've been a viewer, I love the show as a viewer, but when you already know who those three or four traders are, you're just honing in on their behaviors, where we're in a room with 20 other people who we really don't know.

Speaker 7 And so we're evaluating every little thing that they do so we don't have the luxury of just paying attention to a handful of people we are watching everyone we're saying okay well let me see if something you know weird is happening if there's a shift in energy i mean i even after um alan picked his traders I thought Sierra was a traitor because she went in the kitchen and grabbed a bowl of grapes and started eating them.

Speaker 7 And I was like, oh, she's trying to deflect.

Speaker 1 She's eating.

Speaker 7 She's trying to be distracted from the fact that she just got picked to be a traitor. So you're really looking at every little thing that people are doing.

Speaker 7 With Wells, it was like, I don't think they showed it, but like when we had our little conversation in the billiards room, he got up and walked out of the room. And I was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 7 Like he's in the hot seat and he wants to just avoid this conversation. So I'm the only one, but

Speaker 7 I was right on Boston Rob. I wish I had had the opportunity.
to really convince people about that.

Speaker 1 It makes a lot of sense why early on, you know, and I think Wells was saying this, or I think a lot of the faithful were talking about how they wanted this season to be the season where you guys like found out a traitor right away.

Speaker 1 But just hearing, Robin, like hearing how you and the rest of your cast kind of came up with their theories, many of which were wrong, it speaks to like.

Speaker 1 When you're looking for something, like you just kind of overread every little thing.

Speaker 1 And like the traders usually are the one who are more calm, more reserved, because they're operating with a little bit more like like just confidence.

Speaker 1 So that when like when everyone, when all the faithfuls get accused of something, I think you, you look inherently guilty because you're like, oh, I'm not a, you know? Right.

Speaker 4 Do you feel like that's why Danielle is kind of no one's really suspecting her is because she has these like crying moments and she absolutely.

Speaker 7 I mean, Danielle from the jump, and of course you all don't see everything, but every little thing that Danielle did was was filled with some sort of emotion or like, you know, anxiety.

Speaker 7 Even even at the round tables i remember that first round table when it was between me and wells and you know you look around as people are like making their picks or whatever like i i made my pick early it was wells boom i put my paper my thing down and so you know i'm looking around and and danielle's sitting there she's just like deliberating and she's like oh god performing oh god

Speaker 7 she's so stressed like she's just filled with angst over this decision that she had to make and this pick she had to to make. And I saw that.

Speaker 7 And so for me, I'm like, she's not on my radar because she's totally just stressed over this pick.

Speaker 7 So it's like, you really, I, I, you can't, I made this mistake and probably a lot of people make the mistake is you put yourselves in the, in the shoes of a trader.

Speaker 7 You say, well, if I was a trader, how would I act? And for me, if I was a trader, I would be really low-key. I wouldn't be bringing attention to myself.

Speaker 7 I wouldn't be, you know, going from person to person and talking so much like drag Queen was doing.

Speaker 7 And so, seeing Danielle be so just emotional, and she would be kind of like a little bit all over the place and have a lot to say. She never was on my radar.
So, this game, I mean, I think

Speaker 7 you just never know. Like, you just have to throw something at the wall and see what sticks at that point, that early in the game.

Speaker 1 Were you as shocked as we were to see Nikki go home? Because, especially after her performance with

Speaker 1 like two times in a row, she like refused to save herself and then also crying again. Like, and like, I'm just trying to figure out, like, before you left, were people floating Nikki's name around?

Speaker 1 It seemed like it came out of nowhere, and it wasn't even close. It was like unanimous that she got

Speaker 7 so before Nikki was put into the caskets,

Speaker 7 people were floating her name around.

Speaker 1 Oh, the caskets. You know what? Boston Robs called it.
He said, like, we're going to get a two for one because we'll kill one.

Speaker 1 And people are going to still think probably someone is a traitor in the casket. Boy, that Boston Rob.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So that's kind of, and they were aware of that.
So I think actually

Speaker 7 it was Nikki and Jeremy whose names were being floated around as traitors.

Speaker 7 So when they went in the caskets, a lot of our, you know, like antennas went off. We're like, wait a minute.
We were just saying that we think Nikki and Jeremy are traitors.

Speaker 7 And we had seen Nikki and Jeremy kind of like talking on their own. And so it was just all these little like red flags were around Nikki and Jeremy.

Speaker 1 But we knew Jeremy wasn't though, because he got killed.

Speaker 7 Right. So then the thought was when Jeremy was killed, we're like, well, then Nikki must be a traitor.
Like that was all.

Speaker 1 Oh, because like Jeremy was on to her or something.

Speaker 4 What was your reaction to seeing Danielle turn on Carolyn?

Speaker 7 It's a mess.

Speaker 7 Crazy.

Speaker 7 You know, I don't know what happens, but I felt like, first of all, I thought Boston Rob messed up by

Speaker 7 doing what he did to Drag Queen that early in the game

Speaker 7 because it creates, we can see it just creates a snowball effect of distrust amongst the traders. And so now

Speaker 7 what Danielle did, that was just like insane. She should have.
known that

Speaker 7 and maybe she did it on purpose. She should have known that Dylan was going to go back to Carolyn and and tell her that she was floating her name about.
I just, I thought that was not good strategy.

Speaker 7 She should have really laid low.

Speaker 7 It was, it was too early for them to start trying to frame each other way too early. So I'm curious to see like, where does this go?

Speaker 3 This season, the housewives have had a target on their back.

Speaker 3 Do you think that it's based off of the previous season, like Phaedra being such a good trader that they think that like one that you guys are so unsuspecting?

Speaker 7 And like, was the vibe, like, did you feel that they were targeting you in the house yeah for sure i felt like people came in just based and and were trying to like recreate what happened the season before or trying to they were just basing their biases based on what they saw the season before and so they saw phaedra be a trader they saw charay last a really long time in the house um and so i think they just assumed oh a housewife has to be a trader.

Speaker 7 Right. And then on the flip side, the traders knew that that would be the thought process of everyone.
And it would be easy to frame the housewives.

Speaker 7 I, you know, but what I loved about it was that this season is completely different than last season. Like, you know, what we're seeing, where we haven't seen anything really like it before.

Speaker 7 And I think that's what now people coming into the game in the future should keep in mind.

Speaker 7 Like, you know, you can't base anything that happens in your current season on what you saw the previous season because they got to keep it fresh. But they definitely had their eyes on the housewives.

Speaker 7 We had targets on our backs. And

Speaker 7 it was kind of unfair, though, because they would say, Oh, you guys have numbers and all this stuff. And I'm like, Yeah, but the gamers have numbers.

Speaker 1 Survivor has numbers.

Speaker 7 Like, everyone else has numbers. Why are you worried about us?

Speaker 1 That's what's kind of shocking. If you're going to target any group for no reason other than the fact that they're a group, target the gamers because, like, they're going to be good.

Speaker 1 And you have to assume that one of the gamers is a trader.

Speaker 7 you have survivor, big brother, challenge.

Speaker 4 I feel like that would be at the roundtable, my only argument: of like, you know, if you don't have anyone so early on, it's like you've got nothing to, it's like, well, let's go for Wes because you're a gamer.

Speaker 4 And like, it's got to be for some reason, maybe yes, maybe no, but like, might as well try to take out a game.

Speaker 1 We look at the gamers fighting with each other or something.

Speaker 7 I mean, so Tony, so think about it, Tony from Survivor.

Speaker 7 We banished him because

Speaker 7 he was a great survivor player. and you know it was just certain things tony would say around the house that were like

Speaker 7 so so we were you know they took we took out tony they took out jeremy so we started to take out the the the gamers but it just they were just stuck on this house i think i but when i watched them murder me i was like okay that was like anti-climatic like what is the reason it was just like Okay, let's just pick Robin.

Speaker 7 Like, what?

Speaker 1 Like, did I get a reason for it? So you like basically like, wake up and a producer walks in and being like, you're dead?

Speaker 7 No, that's not how it works. So, we actually all wake up and get dressed as if we're going to breakfast.

Speaker 7 And because we do confessionals throughout the day, you can be asked to do a confessional before breakfast. That doesn't necessarily mean you were murdered.

Speaker 7 But if they ask you to do a confessional before breakfast,

Speaker 7 that's when you get murdered.

Speaker 7 So, we are like, we're ready for the day. I was ready to get Boston Rob.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 ready to start.

Speaker 1 Did you also think like Ion, where she thought the survivor casts were

Speaker 1 survivors of

Speaker 1 diseases of some kind or an ailment? God bless her.

Speaker 7 So although I didn't,

Speaker 7 the only survivor I knew was Boston Rob. I knew that

Speaker 7 survivors was a television show. Okay.

Speaker 1 I wish there were clips of her being. She's a bad Lyme disease.

Speaker 7 She's so funny. I was so mad they murder her just because she's so funny.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, no, I don't know what they were thinking.

Speaker 4 I feel like producers could have stepped in there and been like, no, let's find someone.

Speaker 1 Guys, do you think we would have picked her as a traitor?

Speaker 5 As a traitor, that would be crazy.

Speaker 7 I mean, you know what? That would have been comedy.

Speaker 1 It would have been like Dorinda and Ion, if they were actual traitors. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It would have been comedy.

Speaker 7 But I was definitely like, can a producer step in and stop and tell them to stop killing housewives? Like, come on,

Speaker 7 you need us on the show.

Speaker 5 You want good TV.

Speaker 1 Keep the housewives on. Robin, give me three housewives from any franchise that you want to see next season.

Speaker 7 I would love to see like Erica Girardi.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 These are people like we'll never do it because like

Speaker 1 we'll never do it.

Speaker 7 Can't have our phones.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 7 Erica Girardi, Nini Leaks would be fun.

Speaker 1 Nini would be nice.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 let's put Ramona in there.

Speaker 1 Love. I think that would be

Speaker 1 pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 Any more questions for Robin before we let her

Speaker 1 go?

Speaker 3 I do.

Speaker 3 Going into the roundtables, like, what was your strategy for how you decided who you were going to vote out?

Speaker 3 Like, were you corroborating with specific people, trying to see how they were going to vote? Or were you doing it just like individualistically?

Speaker 7 Well, because it was like so many people, it was, you know, in order, like, I didn't really have an agenda to push. Like, for me, like, say, for

Speaker 7 I had Wells and I had Tony just on my mind, they were like really the only ones, but I wasn't trying to like vote somebody out, you know, if so, because it was that early, it was like, let's see what the rest of the group has to say.

Speaker 7 Let's see if they have anyone to put out there. And since people didn't really have a lot to put out there, it's like, okay, well.
Let's, let's go for the ones that are, are in my head.

Speaker 7 So, no, at that point, there was no like strategizing with the roundtables. It's just so early, so many people.

Speaker 7 You just want to see what everyone else is thinking.

Speaker 4 What color are your eyes? They're the most insane things I've ever seen.

Speaker 7 Oh, thank you. They're green.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're so pretty.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 4 Well, I would love to cover Potomac at some point. So maybe we will start.

Speaker 1 Please come back.

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, I'm like, I'm not on Potomac anymore.

Speaker 7 But yes.

Speaker 1 Maybe as a friend of? Are you done, done? You're forever gone?

Speaker 7 I mean, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 I'm sure you have opinions on what's what's going on and we can get you on here to just talk some about your previous cast i mean i have a lot of opinions

Speaker 1 i believe it yeah a lot of opinions all right robin uh thank you for your time it's been super fun watching you on traders and uh hopefully we'll uh hear some of those opinions uh on potomac someday

Speaker 7 Thank you. It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 Take care. Bye.

Speaker 7 All right. Bye.

Speaker 3 But my one thing, too, that I wonder where I'm like, I understand like while you're in it and it's, it's so many people.

Speaker 3 But like for me, just even taking a step back and like, why was Boston Robb offered to come in already? And then we have a second offering of him back in the game.

Speaker 3 Like to me, I would already immediately want to have him out because I'm like, why are we pushing so hard to have this man on the show?

Speaker 1 Yeah. True.
He's shockingly flying under the radar for a man who. Everyone's like, yeah, boy, he would be really, really bad if he was a traitor.
Right. You didn't want him in the first round.

Speaker 8 They all know that he's a traitor, but for some reason, they're too scared to make a move and to get him out.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's just too good about it.

Speaker 8 Garrett knows that he's a traitor. Like, they all are saying what happened.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing, though. It's just like he's surviving now.
It's still fairly early. Like, Rob's not going to win.
No, no. Up next, the exile that I think shocked everyone.

Speaker 1 At least it shocked me. I think Robin gave it some context about the I forgot about the casket element, but I was still blown away more specifically because Chris had a vibe.

Speaker 1 But, anyways, we'll get to hear from the faithful herself. Nikki Garcia is up next.

Speaker 4 Look at our Bambi.

Speaker 6 Hi, guys. Hi, Nikki.

Speaker 1 Nikki.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? Why were you sabotaged?

Speaker 9 I was.

Speaker 9 I'm never joining an alliance again. No, I'm just kidding.
I'm all about alliances.

Speaker 1 Have you confronted Chrische yet?

Speaker 9 We actually, when

Speaker 9 I'm trying to say this without being, whenever Chris came home, So that could be up all the way at the finish and who knows, but when she was able to have her phone she I was her first phone call and she honestly is the sweetest thing we love we love Chris but but like vibes energy energy huh

Speaker 9 I know I was shocked um

Speaker 9 and I knew at the point the minute because that was towards the end of like just going at it with everyone and then I knew that like my fate was sealed. Like that was

Speaker 1 death for me.

Speaker 1 We talked to Robin earlier and her theory, because because obviously she wasn't there when you actually got voted off, but she made it seem like the target was very much on your back as a result of the whole coffin situation a few episodes back.

Speaker 1 Is that what you attribute it to?

Speaker 9 Totally. Because for our challenge earlier that day, like Rob made it a point to join our car.

Speaker 9 So it was like us bambies and then he came in, which I thought I was like, oh, that's interesting. Like he really wanted to go with us.

Speaker 9 And I legit did not think he was a traitor only because I swear it's in our handbook. Traders aren't allowed to out traders.
Like, that's like a rule.

Speaker 9 So when the whole situation with him and Bob went down and how, like, you guys should see that raw footage, it was insane.

Speaker 9 I'm thinking when everyone had those theories, I'm like, yeah, that's smart because it was super heated, but like, you can't do that. You can't out a traitor.
Like, if you're a traitor.

Speaker 1 Can you give us a little T of some of the insane things we didn't get to see?

Speaker 9 I mean, just how they were going at it. It was so heated and it went for like 15 minutes.
And

Speaker 9 like, I can't even remember the stuff they're saying, but it was just like, I thought they were about to physically fight. It was pretty nuts.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow. I know.

Speaker 9 It was like really intense.

Speaker 9 And I was in shock. And that, and you know, it's funny because

Speaker 9 I got really close with Bob.

Speaker 9 And when you start this whole journey, you share a van with some like with a few people before you like we do stuff for three days before even actually starting the day so it was gabby bob tony and i like the whole time so we all four got really really close you get close with who's ever in your van and bob to me is one of the funniest people like i just i loved him off camera made all of us cry laugh like just super funny and so he played me great like i had no idea that he was a traitor like i totally totally was manipulated and brainwashed and like no way.

Speaker 9 So when my reaction, my reaction was real. I don't know why people thought I should have thrown a chair in the air, flipped the table, like made some big dramatic like, oh my gosh, Bob's a traitor.

Speaker 9 Like I was actually shocked. And I was kind of shocked that that was a target on my back of how I reacted.

Speaker 1 It is crazy to see how people come up with their theories, which we've come to learn is almost based off of nothing. In Crochet's case, it was based off of her being an empath.
Her being an empath.

Speaker 4 I fell for her. She was crying.

Speaker 1 You know, it was like, she really didn't. Yeah, but it's just like, Chris, if all you got is vibes, just don't vote for your friend.
Like, I mean, listen, I get it. It's a game.
It's traitors.

Speaker 1 If you got some like hard facts, be like, hey, girl, I saw you say you were a traitor. I gotta, I gotta call you out.
But like.

Speaker 4 Or at least she could have, I feel like, come to you and been like, hey, your reaction in the car, like, like set off some red flags with me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did she ever do that? Did the first time you got accused by Chris was at the roundtable? Yeah.

Speaker 9 I was super shocked.

Speaker 1 I was like, wait, what? All right. In the moment, though, I know like you guys are fine and we all love Chris.
She's super nice, but like, how pissed were you?

Speaker 9 I actually, what kind of was crazy, I was more like sad and emotional. Like,

Speaker 9 like, okay, so I've been a sports girl my whole life. Soccer, then wrestling.

Speaker 9 All I've ever known is a sisterhood i'm an identical twin like i just so an alliance for me and like being in a girls group like that makes sense for me that's how i roll that's how i work well with

Speaker 9 so when that happened i i was actually just taken back and it made me emotional which i was like oh my gosh why am i so emotional about this but it actually like hurt me like i i felt i guess betrayed and so you were and i was like i don't want to cry like can we just like wait a sec?

Speaker 9 Cause I hate showing emotions in that way. But

Speaker 9 I was more mad at the others for accusing my personality. That fired me up.

Speaker 9 Like when Wes and I went at it the night before, the week before, I actually, my blood was boiling like as if I was in a bar fight in college. Like I just hadn't had that feeling in so long.

Speaker 9 And I think when people were coming at me expecting me to be a WWE wrestler and like be this big heel from 2017, I'm like, what? I'm like, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 9 And then the night after then to get attacked, like, you're just too cool and calm. And I was like, what?

Speaker 9 Like, it, that stuff pissed me off. I, in my head, after that argument, I was like, I think I just want to go home.
And then when Crochelle spoke up, I was like, I'm not even going to argue anymore.

Speaker 9 I'm so done and over this. Night two of defending myself for stupid shit.
And I was like, done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can imagine because obviously, like, you know, a lot of people get casted on the show, like have a pretty long history of being on reality TV or, or in your case, you know, you know, WWE.

Speaker 1 And they come with a history. They come with a reputation of some kind.

Speaker 1 And you're right, like 2017, it must be super annoying to have like people like tell you about you from something they saw on TV from eight years ago. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, big time. Like.

Speaker 9 Tom the whole time had to like remind all of us like he wouldn't let them make him be a traitor because of his past.

Speaker 9 And it was like dude that has what are you even talking about it's just i guess i went in there like just playing the game of whatever people are going to play the game with you know i didn't think about people's characters or who they were years ago so it it's super annoying especially because when your fictional character is getting brought up like it's not even like oh so you were like this on total divas and total bellas it was straight up like when you were heel with a written script, like how you would scream at people, this is how she must be and she's hiding it, you know?

Speaker 4 Did you practice or was your speech kind of off the cuff? I feel like it was so good. It hit the nail.

Speaker 4 I mean, just being like, maybe y'all shouldn't come after people's personality, you know, if you don't know them. And then you're like, I'm ready to get home to my kid.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Thank you.
No, that was like just off the cusp because What was crazy about that day, I had no idea everyone was talking behind my back. Like I had no idea.

Speaker 5 No one came to you.

Speaker 9 It was already a struggle for me because that was, as you girls would know, it was day two of my period, and my period was insanely bad. Like,

Speaker 9 I,

Speaker 9 during the game, you can't even see the producer to my left.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's what Chris picked up on.

Speaker 1 I sent through that.

Speaker 9 I go, Brigo, so maybe your energy was up. I go, well, yeah, but they knew.

Speaker 1 Like, damn, I laid in bed that day.

Speaker 9 Like, I was cramping hard.

Speaker 9 And I did miss my son. but like, you know, it was like,

Speaker 9 whatever. And, and Rob, like, was just there all the time.
And I was like, dude, I can't, this is just a lot today. This should have been an off day.
But, um, so maybe that was the energy.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's what it was. Understandable.
I was on my period. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 But it was literally right before we're going in.

Speaker 9 Well, before they make us be quiet, before we go in, is when I, someone told me, I can't remember who, but was like, they're coming after you in this roundtable and i was like wait why wait i'm i'm so didn't we just like end this the past week which was actually the night before and so i was fully blindsided like had no time to prep had no time to change people's minds before

Speaker 1 so the out was just what i'm curious because wells had mentioned that some of the like i don't know if they're all like an hour hour and a half but they they're clearly much longer than we get to see was the whole time spent at the round table table like people like telling you why you're a traitor?

Speaker 1 Or was there anyone else

Speaker 1 brought up in that conversation that we didn't get to see?

Speaker 9 That, I think that night was just me.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 At least you got Dylan. He was the, he was your hero, even though it didn't save you or anything.

Speaker 1 But like, he seems to be playing this really well because like for him to be right about you, like everyone else was voting against you.

Speaker 1 And he wanted to take a stand to say, like, the group isn't thinking right. I really don't think you and Sierra aren't traitors.
He ended up being right about that.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, I really think that gives very faithful vibes because I think when you see, like, what's clear at traders, right?

Speaker 1 Like, it's in, it's, it's to your advantage to go with the group, right? If someone's names getting thrown out there, you might as well vote them off because at least at least it's not you.

Speaker 1 And Dylan had the balls to say, you know what, I'm not going to vote for Nikki or Sierra because I just don't think it's them.

Speaker 1 And it's almost he want, it's like he wanted to speak to the faithfuls out there. And I think every time he does something like that and he gets it right, it makes him look more faithful.

Speaker 1 And I think it protects him against the traders because if he goes out, then it's almost like, oh, you know, it puts a scent on the traders. I don't know.

Speaker 1 How did you see Dylan doing or, you know, is he doing as well as I think he is?

Speaker 7 No, totally.

Speaker 9 Dylan was such a stud the whole whole time. And like, I connected really well with him off the bat.

Speaker 9 Super cool guy, super smart. And he plays the game really well.
And I think that's what bothered him because like, obviously you don't get to see everything.

Speaker 9 So I was really on to Danielle and just watching other seasons, because I was actually a fan of the show before the offer came in.

Speaker 9 When you're so convinced someone's a traitor, it's like you almost don't want to point them out yet till you get other people on board because they're just going to murder you that night.

Speaker 9 So like what happened to Jeremy our season?

Speaker 9 So, Dylan and I would have really great conversations. And I think, I mean, I feel like he reminds me of Peter from last season, but he's really, just really great.
And he has balls too, which I like.

Speaker 9 Like, he, he's just, he's really great at this game. And obviously, this season, watching it now, now I get why it felt like chaotic when we were there because I feel like the traders are so messy.

Speaker 9 Usually traders go in and they're all like, they have a plan, right?

Speaker 9 Now I know why it was so chaotic before we'd go into those roundtables. Like you would literally be like, okay, I have my person I'm going to put.

Speaker 9 And then literally 10 minutes before everyone's running around saying this or that. And you're like, wait, what? And then you get in your head.

Speaker 9 And I feel like it's kind of shown this season and why everyone votes for the same person because they are like have their person before they go in. And then they get rocked a bit.

Speaker 9 So then everyone follows each other except Dylan. Dylan sticks to what he wants, but like

Speaker 9 everyone else, that's why when you see, I feel like every roundtable, it's like, okay, everyone's voting for who? Like, where are we going? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, definitely, I definitely know what you mean. And it seems like that's definitely what's, what's going on.

Speaker 1 Are there any like people we're overlooking that you think are playing the game really well or you feel like will continue to pop as the season moves along?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think Gabby,

Speaker 9 she just needs to start speaking up, but I think Gabby is doing a great job. Like she, it's like, she just needs to trust her gut and her instincts because it's there for her.

Speaker 9 And so I think she'll start to shine. I'm curious to see how she's next week with me being gone because we were so buddy buddy, even more so than Chris.
Like Gabby and I were together all the time.

Speaker 9 Like we couldn't wait to get our glass of wine at the end of the night because we only get one. And like we just hung out the whole time.

Speaker 1 But you only got one glass of wine a day?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 And there was like some nights where it was just too late.

Speaker 9 And Gabby and I were like, wait, no, but like we, you all promised you lots of wine so please after our day to day like not even two no the and those days are like 12 hours sometimes longer when you get stuck in a coffin it's insane yeah how long were we in that coffin for it had to be almost two hours oh my god

Speaker 1 So we like with no break, no like, hey, feeling little claustrophobic.

Speaker 9 So you have to wait for everyone to go, like leave.

Speaker 9 Then you have to wait for then the traitors to make their decision, then the traitors to come kill, and then for the traders to leave till we were allowed out of our coffin.

Speaker 9 And then they let Sierra and I out, and Jeremy was still in there.

Speaker 9 And I was so upset about it because, well, Jeremy and I clicked, and he, like, little did we know, we are talking too much in front of Bob, who was a traitor.

Speaker 9 But yeah, so he had to be there for a really long time. It was a rough, rough night.

Speaker 1 What if you had to pee?

Speaker 9 Couldn't because you didn't see anyone like and then not only that then you go to green screens after so you're like you're hitting up your green screens at like 1 a.m like

Speaker 9 just

Speaker 1 it was rough the whole thing was rough and i'm so not a gamer

Speaker 9 I like I just I loved the experience, but I was like, I came home and I told Brian, I go, yeah, I'm not a gamer at all. It's not fit for me or my personality.

Speaker 1 Do you think Boston Rob's going home soon? Do you think they're they're on to him?

Speaker 9 I think he's becoming too obvious. Honestly, I feel like all the traders are so obvious.
I literally, I wish I have it in my book. Every night I would write down Carolyn Danielle.

Speaker 9 I'm so mad at myself, like for not just on my out when I was leaving. I want to be like, oh, and everyone look at these two because it's so obvious.

Speaker 9 I caught them talking all the time by themselves, like in a way that didn't seem like when you would walk in on like Gabby, Chris, and I just laughing and like having fun.

Speaker 9 Like they seemed like they were scheming sure and now i think rob

Speaker 9 i think after the bob thing people were a little like hmm and then i feel like now he's just getting a little too obvious and there's definitely no unity with the traders like at all i mean at all like it's crazy i think it's what's made it so confusing for the faithfuls because usually the traders like they're just you know, they're a group.

Speaker 9 They're their own alliance.

Speaker 1 What will be interesting, you know, I don't know if they're going to to do it, but like last season they brought in a housewife who became a trader.

Speaker 1 And then they had an opportunity to recruit a trader. I'm really curious, like, who's going to be recruited, whether they say yes or not.
Is this, you know, will they be bringing in more people?

Speaker 1 They have to do some with traders because this, yeah, they're.

Speaker 1 It seems like a weak group of traders. I mean, like, Boston Rob's very good, but he's had to almost do too much.
And like you said, it's kind of shine too much of a light on himself.

Speaker 1 And the other two are just.

Speaker 3 But even piggybacking off of that, where I'm like, how do you think that Danielle is sliding under the radar so much? Because I feel like she was so obvious during that last challenge.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I don't know because this is what's weird. Everyone was talking about it.
Like, even from the day of us being on the boats, like, people were like,

Speaker 9 like, I just remember saying, like, those, that crime didn't seem real, but then a lot of people were hooked that Dorinda was a traitor. So I think it made people forget.

Speaker 9 And then Dorinda got murdered. But I would hear people talk about Danielle like almost every day.
And for some reason, so maybe I don't know if this makes them great.

Speaker 9 It would get so chaotic the 10 minutes before that people would be going in fighting like Sierra and I. Just, it just got pinned on us.
So then we'd argue.

Speaker 9 And everyone kept like forgetting about her. Like, even after when she gave her shield up.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's more people being like, oh my gosh, Danielle.

Speaker 9 And then I'm like, but how, how was no one brought her up?

Speaker 3 Like, Like, I don't think she's been named once at the roundtable.

Speaker 3 No. Like, if she has, it's been like one person.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It makes people look like idiots.

Speaker 1 The only thing that makes sense, and you said this, Nikki, like, for example, if

Speaker 1 Dylan thought Danielle was a traitor, I don't think he actually even thinks Gabby's a traitor. You know, I think he said Gabby is like a throwaway because he didn't want to say Nikki in Sierra.

Speaker 1 But if he were to say Danielle, like if Dylan suspected Danielle, he's not going to say Danielle just to like make a point because then all of a sudden there's a target on his back.

Speaker 1 It's like, like Nikki said, it's like, if you're going to go after someone you really think is a traitor, you have to have the numbers. You know, they keep saying that.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're going to go after someone this big, you're really going to take them down because like otherwise you're kind of fucked.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 maybe they kind of suspect and they're just kind of, you know.

Speaker 3 She was just so obvious, like literally did not grab her photo once for the shield. And it's just like she was shaking after.
Yeah, you're not afraid to get murdered. And then she was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 9 honestly and like i love how dolores was like ew this is getting like

Speaker 5 like don't she was like don't save me

Speaker 1 i love the housewives um i was so sad when they kept getting murdered because i'm like no you guys i'm getting like front row entertainment fees yes no it's like and again this is not meant like i just don't think i mean maybe is it maybe because phaedra was and obviously phaedra was like an assassin like phaedra was she was a dirty trader she was in the best possible way.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I don't know. Like, again, Ion, what? Really? Dorinda? Come on.
Like, we're not thinking with our heads here. No.
Like, it didn't make any sense.

Speaker 9 I just feel like maybe this, since the U.S. version is,

Speaker 9 you know, celebrity TV personalities, whatever, season, maybe it does need to be a bit more produced. I feel bad saying that because they don't produce at all.

Speaker 9 They don't have any interference, which is really cool. But then it's like, there's some characters you want to stick around

Speaker 1 so i don't know i mean that would ruin the game but nikki always great chatting with you so sorry you got voted off we think you got the shaft uh but lad glad you got to get back to uh your beautiful baby and uh rooting for you and anything you want to plug well goodness i mean i have my show the nikki and bree show that's on series xm and

Speaker 9 I think that's it.

Speaker 1 Then you think Bree will do Traders?

Speaker 9 Okay, so she was supposed to do season two and she said no, because she was like, if they bury me alive, I don't think so. And I'm like, girl, you out.

Speaker 9 But after like

Speaker 9 seeing the few roundtables, even though Brie would eat people alive, like, see, I'm always the calm and cool one, but when you like go at it with Brie, Brie knows how to run her mouth.

Speaker 9 Like she's amazing at it.

Speaker 1 So jump from the top rope.

Speaker 1 No, right?

Speaker 9 So even like the Bella Army has totally been going crazy on social and saying like Brie should have tagged in and like took care of shit. She would have.

Speaker 9 But I'm like, Brie, you should really do it next season. But she's like, no, it's, she feels like gaming, the gaming stuff isn't for her.

Speaker 9 Like when she heard my story, she's like, yeah, I just don't think so.

Speaker 1 I think she'd be good. I think she'd be good.
Nikki, thank you for taking the time.

Speaker 7 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 All right, talk to her. All right, bye-bye.

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Speaker 1 Conversation. It's really good.
This show. I'm enjoying it.
It gets better and better. Like, you know, last season, we really loved it, but it's really, we really, you know, look forward to it.

Speaker 1 Some of the shows we cover, it's more heavy-lifting than others, you know, like Roni, which I know some of you guys watched.

Speaker 4 Did it live up to everyone's hype?

Speaker 6 All I got to say is we rebooted Roni to just have another dark ending to the season. Like, it was just a very dark, heavy episode of stuff you think nobody would cross the line to do.

Speaker 1 It's just upsetting. I've seen clips, and it's something to do with Uba and Bryn.

Speaker 1 And, you know, what happens? Do you want to see her Liona?

Speaker 6 I can go at it and then Sierra, you can fill in the dots if you want to.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 6 So basically, Uba kind of just made like a one-off conversation of the Sprinter van being like, well, maybe Bryn did sleep with someone to get her job.

Speaker 3 There's tension at a dinner, right? And Bryn's kind of poking at Uba and they're snapping back kind of, but just like not actual real conflict.

Speaker 3 As they're walking out to the Sprinter van and they get in, things are getting a little bit heightened. And then that's when Uba is like,

Speaker 6 but then Bryn basically was like saying, you told me to put a dick in my mouth. You told me to put a dick in my mouth.
So she keeps repeating that. Uba's like, I never said that.

Speaker 6 Like, that's like, I'm sorry, but I never said that. Eventually, the women are started being like, Uba, don't common, like, shit-talking phrase people say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 no, no, I mean, she still never said it, like, suck a dick, man. Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, Uba still never said it. And then the women of the group started saying, like, stop like calling her a whore and like slut-shaming her.

Speaker 6 Then basically, Bryn brings half the group aside and alleges that Uba knew that Bryn was assaulted and that she's then still decided to sweat shame her. Yeah.
Yes. But she's using very strong words.

Speaker 6 She's not filtered. She's saying what happened.
And now these women are like, why would Uba do this? Like, why would she do this? But they're not telling Uba. They stop rolling.

Speaker 3 And you've got like all the women super emotional now.

Speaker 3 And like Jennalines is crying, just being like, be nice to Bryn, because like, this is the first time that some of these housewives are hearing about this.

Speaker 1 And Aaron shit got real. And

Speaker 5 they're trying to protect Bryn.

Speaker 6 Meanwhile, Aaron is like, guys, why are we crying? What happened? And the women are like, that's not our story to tell. Like, this is something very serious.
Basically, they stop rolling that night.

Speaker 6 They're starting to take mics off. Jessil goes into Uba's room and she's like, hey, like, I just want to like check in with you.
Like, Bryn told us that she told you you were assaulted.

Speaker 6 Why would you be like saying these things to her? Uba knows nothing about this. So she basically is like, starts like freaking out.
She's crying in the corner.

Speaker 1 She's like, like guttural, like guttural.

Speaker 6 First, she's crying. She's like.
curled up in the corner. Like, why would she say this about me? Like, why would I, I don't remember this happening.
Like, I would have never said this if I knew this.

Speaker 6 Then she turns into basically going out there and she's like talking to producers and like the group being like, you guys let her say this on camera?

Speaker 6 Like, she's starting this thing that did not happen. I swear this did not happen.

Speaker 3 She goes into a room with Jenna and Raquel, and she's like beside herself, but we don't see it. The door is closed.

Speaker 3 And Raquel's retelling it, being like, no, like Uba's in Jenna's face being like, you believe her, you believe that I would do something like this.

Speaker 3 And that she's, you know, from her faith and everything, she was like, may Allah strike me down and kill my firstborn if I did this. I did not do this.

Speaker 6 And she's crying. She said, said, this is between God, me, and Bryn.
And she's like, I did not do it.

Speaker 3 Well, she hasn't had it yet, but my whole thing is that it's like she leaves the room and whatnot. She's upset and screaming, continue.
So basically, she's out there.

Speaker 6 She's asking the woman. She's also asking Bryn, like, why would you say this? Producers, why would you let her say this on camera? All of the women are like, we don't know what's going on.

Speaker 6 Everybody's screaming. We don't want to invalidate Bryn, but at the same time, like, Uba looks like she's like, so caught off guard.

Speaker 1 Producers are involved. I've seen those clips of Uba just losing.
Right.

Speaker 1 Uba leaves.

Speaker 6 She goes to a hotel with Jessel. And basically, I mean, this is me like kind of shortening it a little bit, but Bryn comes into the room later that night after multiple other conversations.

Speaker 6 And she's like, come to think of it, maybe Uba didn't clock that I said, like, told her that I was like assaulted. Yeah.
She's like, so maybe that did not happen.

Speaker 6 So then instantly, all of the women are like, I don't want to invalidate you, but like, so you're telling me that you might be lying in this moment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, to be clear, not lying about the assault. The assault, but lying about

Speaker 1 telling Uba.

Speaker 3 And like, the whole thing was about the fact of all these women getting up against uba and the fact that like you would say something knowing this piece of information and then for bryn to wait till after cameras are down everything and be like whoops maybe she didn't clock it because i was hysterical when i was having this conversation with her but very much laid down the fact that like uba was the only person that she told this to so that's why all the women are like she would know this and say this still to you so they're looking at uba differently and then after bryn confesses that like there might be a shot that uba didn't clock it now they're looking at bryn differently because they're like how could you let this play out and not say anything and be so definitive that Uba knew?

Speaker 3 So Bryn leaves early and it was also kind of bizarre because the next morning, Bryn's completely fine about it. And she's sitting.

Speaker 3 She texted producers asking to leave the next day. And then she's sitting with producers the next morning being like, yeah, you know, I'm just kind of like a, I move on.

Speaker 3 Like I, I could, we could go horseback riding today. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which could be a form of coping.

Speaker 6 Jenna said that. So that's 100%.

Speaker 3 And then production just shut it down. They were like, nope, everybody's going home after this.

Speaker 1 Is there a reunion? Yes. There is.

Speaker 6 But in between that, basically the women, they brought Uba back and they were like, we believe you, by the way. Like, we believe you didn't know.
That being said, we think Bryn's going through a lot.

Speaker 6 They shoot the title cards like four days later.

Speaker 3 Well, before that, even then, something about Uba's character, like, yes, she might, she, English is her second language. So when she gets frustrated, it's for multiple reasons.

Speaker 3 But like, just showing to Uba's integrity, like, she still asked after the fact. She was like, I just want to make sure, like, is Bryn okay?

Speaker 3 So she was still, even after everything, just wanted to make sure that Bryn was okay after everything.

Speaker 6 Did Bryn acknowledge or apologize because like I don't know again whatever Bryn went through obviously some heavy shit Bryn did a Rolling Stone and before the Rolling Stones she she didn't she didn't apologize to Ubo no no the opposite of what she did was they shot title cards like four days later where they hold the apples up and nobody really like addressed it and like ubo wasn't talking to her and bryn the way of her bryn's response was why does nobody not care about me like why is nobody checking in on me and asking me about that night after she was like we're good so it's a lot of back and forth and then to mary's point she did a rolling Stones article that released when the finale dropped that was like answering the questions.

Speaker 5 We are for Bryn.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Kind of like doubling down, but still not taking accountability, but claiming that she's good with four of the housewives and that she still has work to do with Sai, Uba, and Jesse, I believe.

Speaker 3 But it's like Erin commented on a reposting of this being like saying that we're sisters is a reach. Like I was hoping that Bryn would take accountability.

Speaker 3 She has a lot of childhood trauma that she needs to work through, but like pretty much saying the fact that you're not taking accountability, like do not include me into your shit until you take accountability for it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then I also think some context around Bryn spinning things throughout the entire season is that Bryn's previous employment was doing PR for companies such as Shell Oil, Johnson ⁇ Johnson, Unilever, and most popularly, quote, working on the BP Deepwater Horizon Gulf oil spill.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 She operates in a dark world.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Well, then another caveat is that, so when they did the first season of this reboot cast, there was another housewife that was filming and she was like, they've done photos.

Speaker 6 They were teasing her to be one of them. And then she dropped out during filming.
And nobody ever knew like what happened. They were just like, she just pulled herself from being part of the cast.

Speaker 6 She spoke out when this finale aired and she was like, Bryn's the reason I didn't do it because Bryn starts rumors that harm people's reputations intentionally.

Speaker 5 And it's like complicated because obviously Bryn has a lot of trauma and had an awful thing happen to her.

Speaker 5 But then it's like, it's just this dark and messy and upsetting situation for a Roni season that in the beginning was just boring and then finally gets dramatic and it's in like

Speaker 1 toxic

Speaker 1 awful. In the darkest way.
I think I might watch Reunion Part 1 though. Oh, sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because there's stuff being brought up. I guess Jesse confronts Bryn about a conversation where Bryn implied that Jesse is in love with somebody else that's not her husband and it was said on camera.

Speaker 6 Jenna tells Bryn to stop spinning and then just stop talking.

Speaker 1 Like it's it's gonna be eventful.

Speaker 6 Jenna's wearing a luxury bathrobe to the reunion and a turkey.

Speaker 1 You know who's never gonna do housewives? Heidi Montag. Yeah.

Speaker 1 According to her husband Spencer, which I don't blame her because what I've learned covering housewives, to operate in that world, you have to be okay with people just like saying the craziest fucking rumors about you and your family.

Speaker 3 You have to think it's normal that people you're working with have personal investigators and teams and forensic scientists at their beck and call.

Speaker 3 That's something you might have done 10 years ago that you didn't think would ever come up might.

Speaker 5 Relationships with your jewelers.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 We'll get into that in a second. But we do have Heidi and Spencer finally on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap.

Speaker 1 We'll get to talk to them about that comment about housewives and all the crazy things going on in their world.

Speaker 1 Obviously, for those of you who don't know, and I don't know who wouldn't, but sadly, their house is one of many houses that burned down during the tragic fires.

Speaker 1 Obviously, they have been responding in the best possible way that they can. Heidi's now an international rock pop star,

Speaker 1 as she always has been, but she's finally getting the recognition that she deserves. And we'll be able to talk to that couple as they come together during this tragedy and create some beautiful music.

Speaker 1 That's Thursday.

Speaker 6 Wrapping up headlines real fast, reality TV. So James Kennedy is not facing charges now.
We know this. Allie Luber did post finally in response to the arrest.

Speaker 3 Allie's response in an Instagram story. She writes: Thank you for all your support and kindness.
I am happy that prosecutors decided not to file against James as I never desired criminal charges.

Speaker 3 We had an argument outside of his house related to him drinking again, however, I was not physically hurt. I was shocked by the headlines and disheartened by how the event was portrayed.

Speaker 3 We are no longer together, but I'll always support James and wish him the best with his sobriety and healing. Thank you for understanding.

Speaker 1 For anyone asking, this hasn't changed my opinion about Ike Kennedy. Not one bit.
My heart goes out to Allie. I hope she's okay.
I hope she is living her best life.

Speaker 1 I think it's interesting in her statement that she pointed out that she wasn't hurt

Speaker 1 with no mention of the actual allegation that she was picked up and thrown against the room. She really just referenced that she didn't sustain any injuries from said alleged incident.

Speaker 1 But regardless of what happened there, ever since that arrest of James Kennedy, Obviously, we had talked about there had been kind of, you know, stories here and little stories there that a lot of us didn't know much about unless unless maybe you were like, you know, part of that OG world for a long time.

Speaker 1 But since then, we have looked into it. We've had many conversations with our friend of show, Kristen Doty.
And I will say, I absolutely believe Kristen.

Speaker 1 She's been very vocal about her reactions with James.

Speaker 1 And so regardless of whatever happened with Allie, it hasn't been changed my opinion about James and the history he has with violence towards women. So like, I hope he gets sober.

Speaker 1 But again, I have yet to hear anything from James's mouth about the real problem, which is why he has a history of being physical and violent with women. Yep.
Salic City reinging.

Speaker 1 All right, Salt Lake City part one.

Speaker 5 From benchwarming bitch to first chair.

Speaker 1 First of all. Yes, Andrew.

Speaker 1 Lisa is not a friend at all to anyone. Like, I don't know how anyone calls Lisa a friend.
Like, Heather, this season, Heather talks about how she's really investing in this friendship with Lisa.

Speaker 1 Lisa is a friend to nobody. Like, Lisa might be a cool hang.
She might hook you up. She might do you a favor if it benefits her in the long run.

Speaker 1 But like, at the end of the day, being a friend is to, at times, at some point in the relationship, to think outside of your own needs, to be selfless and just be there for someone who needs a friend.

Speaker 1 I've literally never seen that from Lisa Barlow ever.

Speaker 4 Like it was crazy that she couldn't at all give any like, I fucked up, I'm sorry, with the whole Bronwyn Gwen mentioning the miscarriage on the after show. It was like no part of her could see.

Speaker 4 And then Meredith being like, that's why she's crying is because she sat.

Speaker 3 It's like, no, i think she's crying because like no one is agreeing with her you know it's like she's crying because she doesn't know what to say and she doesn't have one of her classic clapbacks to like get her out of the trouble that she's in but like yeah what a terribly fucked up thing to insert yourself in it was so wild too because it's like i've never watched somebody be able to find a way to turn themselves into the victim the entire time where it was just like well how do you think I feel or I know them to be this and it's like again you can have that experience but you're not acknowledging who you claim to have been friends with.

Speaker 3 You're not acknowledging your friend's experience as to how you made her feel. And instead, it's always a counter back with, yeah, but I.
And how do you think putting me being put in this position?

Speaker 3 And it's just like you inserted yourself into that position.

Speaker 1 And then the whole conversation about a jeweler, we had a front-row seat because we watched this episode with Natalie's mom.

Speaker 1 For those of you who don't know, Natalie's mom had an illustrious career working at a jewelry company and being a very successful sales person at a jewelry store.

Speaker 6 I always knew she was a gem.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we were watching it. Natalie's mom is in the background.
She's like, that's the most unprofessional jeweler. She's like, that's the cardinal rule.
You do not talk about your clients to other people.

Speaker 1 That's like the biggest no-no, according to her. And then, like, Lisa is out there.
And, like, I don't know, was it Whitney or all the other housewives?

Speaker 1 We're like, Lisa's claiming to like not really know this person, not really have a conversation with her. She's like, I mean, Emma.

Speaker 4 My mom took this rule so far. I remember we'd be in the grocery store, and she would see like one of her clients.

Speaker 4 Truly, she'd see one of her clients and she would like not say anything because it's like, oh, what if the woman they're with is their wife and they don't know that they just bought a necklace or ring?

Speaker 4 Or it's like they don't know that they're shopping in jewelry. Like you cannot approach anyone that you know because you don't know what's going on in their personal.

Speaker 4 You know, it was like she took it so serious. So the fact that like this.

Speaker 4 in quotes, jeweler was texting Lisa being like, she didn't even buy that. She's like, I mean, I wish Andy would have read some of those messages.
The fact that he was like, yeah, it's not very good.

Speaker 6 I will say it also kind of doesn't make sense. Like, I think Lisa and Mina, this friend.

Speaker 1 Doesn't make sense?

Speaker 6 Because Bronwyn also went on Watch What Happens Live and like talked about it, but like the details she was saying didn't also add up to the reunion where like she basically said that her friend or the jeweler was reached out to by a reporter so that we can assume that might be Lisa, that might not be Lisa.

Speaker 6 And basically she said, we bought the necklace, but then given this economic environment or climate, we decided not to go forward with the necklace.

Speaker 6 So we got like a smaller one made but then it became like we were having the smaller one made but then like we found out about her talking to lisa so then we decided not to buy it but then in the reunion she's like but we did buy it so it's kind of like what's the truth with the necklace to begin with brawlin' story definitely does not make sense yeah i'll give you that for sure but whatever i don't like at the end of the day

Speaker 1 she didn't buy it i don't know who gives a yeah maybe If if the worst thing Todd and Brawen were doing were flexing in front of her friends, then yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 A little douchey, douchey, sure, if that's what happened.

Speaker 1 But, like, again, this is about Lisa, again, like, just flat out lying and making up stories and like just leveraging people and going out of her way to like spy on people, get tea, get dirt, like

Speaker 1 she claims she never does. Like, she black, I mean, she essentially blackmails people, like, you know, and this is all to protect her image and her brand.
Well, never.

Speaker 1 Even when it's talking about like falsely bring, you know, making accusations about fake miscarriages, she still can't humble herself to apologize.

Speaker 3 Even when she brought up the daughter thing and whatnot, where she was just like, even if you hate me, if you don't, if you're not friends with me, can you at least apologize for doing that to my daughter?

Speaker 3 And she's like, well, that's a lie. And it's just like,

Speaker 5 like she is just so unable to like remove herself from her own point of view. in any sort of way.

Speaker 1 I'm just more shocked why Meredith and Heather ride for Lisa so hard. I don't like, what am I missing?

Speaker 6 I like to think she's a good friend until like you come in her way.

Speaker 1 That's not being a good friend, though.

Speaker 5 I like to think that Meredith rides less for Lisa and Lisa rides for Meredith, and that's why Meredith keeps Lisa around.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Well, Heather, I don't, I don't know Heather's reason.

Speaker 1 Is Heather's reason only because like, was it, was it Bronwin who brought up like going to high school with Heather or Heather was kind of always obsessed with

Speaker 1 Angie. Heather was like always obsessed with being like friends with the popular girls.
Well, yeah, and I mean, Lisa, she's the popular girl.

Speaker 6 Heather also went to college with Lisa BYU. Lisa said she was the good time girl.
That was like a whole thing, too. So, I mean, I think Lisa's the popular girl and she's a socialite.

Speaker 6 So, I think people want to surround themselves with her surrounding. Yeah.

Speaker 6 But I will say, Todd did, and I kind of wish Todd didn't reference the like blowjobs rumor, like rumors surrounding Lisa too, where he was like, She uses you for the jazz suite, so she doesn't have to work for it herself.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, Yeah, that was probably not great.

Speaker 5 I wish we didn't go there, but yeah, but then he also said that what Lisa did on the after-show was quote, libelous. So that's, I mean, he just said that, so it's definitely a strong word to use.

Speaker 5 And Bronwyn also said, this is really dastardly of her, which is an incredible word to use. What does that mean? Like, dastardly.
It's just like vile.

Speaker 1 Vile. Wicked and cruel.

Speaker 3 Dastard.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 5 It's a very Bronwyn word to use, and I enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 Meredith did call Angie the backup dancer in the WAP video.

Speaker 3 The most offensive thing that you can call Angie, I guess.

Speaker 5 I liked you better when you were a backup dancer with Monica and Jensha's WAP video.

Speaker 6 And then Angie goes, I was a main character in the video. I I wasn't the dancer, but I was a main character.

Speaker 3 I am nobody's backup dancer.

Speaker 1 I mean, this was obviously a stupid argument, but like.

Speaker 6 Angie acknowledged it was stupid too, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And again, like after the fact.

Speaker 3 And Angie's not upset about actually being called a backup dancer. I think she's saying that there's more context to it as if, like, Meredith is calling her a follower.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, saying you're the backup dancer. Like, that's what she thinks that was.

Speaker 1 I think I was team Angie there, too, because while stupid, you're right. My understanding is Meredith is using it as a dig.

Speaker 3 100%.

Speaker 1 And saying you're less than because you did this. yes and even after angie's like no i'm not meredith was like well you you were you were

Speaker 5 not in the background of the video it's like yeah yes burden did claim that she was trying to get on the show every single season on our podcast too so and then angie was on i did hear an interview with angie where she had said that she auditioned originally for the show but didn't fully realize that she thought it was more of like a business opportunity so she kind of like went in as businesswoman angie versus housewife angie and so she didn't get it the first time and that's why she said she didn't get it the first time and it went to somebody else are we faulting her for trying not at all no not at all it's just i think it just is interesting context in the iconic feud that is angie and meredith and to be fair she earned her snowflake getting a flute of champagne dumped over her head by jen shaw so i'm like san diego she's also my mom's favorite so i think it's fucked up that brittany isn't just part of the reunion period i just well she's a friend i i don't give a fuck she carried the season Nick, she can't sit on the couch, though, because Andy's going to ask like five questions.

Speaker 3 She's going to be like, what about me? Yeah. What about my turn?

Speaker 1 And I want to hear it every time.

Speaker 6 Also, logistically speaking, friends don't sit on the whole time, I don't think. No, they don't.

Speaker 1 I know they don't. But again, like.

Speaker 4 I think, do you think she'll be made housewife next season? I mean, you said everyone's coming back.

Speaker 6 As of now, we know that she's a friend still. And she also was.
She's hired by the realty company that sold on SLC. So who knows if she's doing like a two-season.

Speaker 1 I mean, I am in no way a historian of Bravo, but like how many friends of shows carried the storyline as much as Britney did?

Speaker 1 I know Alexis Bolino recently, but that's a very specific like lawsuit case. She didn't carry on.

Speaker 1 She was brought on as a friend because of the lawsuit where they're like, yeah, Brittany, like, let's see what she's capable of. And she delivered.

Speaker 6 Son Shock, when she was a friend, delivered.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, sometimes it takes a couple seasons, though, because they want to make sure like Lightning will hit twice. Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Maybe you put all your best foot forward and then you next season you're boring.

Speaker 1 If there's any housewife I would bet on, it's Britney because I can tell you Lightning's going to strike a million times because of complete lack of self-awareness.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's in her bones who she is. She's a performer.

Speaker 6 To her point, I think she needs to be a full-time so we know her full character. So she doesn't look so like coming out of the woodworks with what about me?

Speaker 6 Because clearly she has like family issues, drama, like trauma.

Speaker 5 The only problem with Britney being full-time is that would be more Jared.

Speaker 6 They are official now.

Speaker 1 I want more Jared.

Speaker 4 I don't know. No, I'm hearing the preview of what he texted Bronwyn, him saying that he's bigger than any man she's ever been.

Speaker 1 Like, what a fucking foul picture. You know, we obviously...
I've been critical of Lisa Barlow's character, but her character on TV is must-see TV.

Speaker 1 I don't want Lisa Barlow to leave housewives.

Speaker 4 I guess I'm more so just like, I don't need the man, you know, like if you're going to have a tall man, I don't need Jared's nasty like comments towards women, you know, like I could do without.

Speaker 3 And stay out of Mary Cosby's DMs.

Speaker 1 yeah but we don't need i mean like jared i don't know like he can have as much of a role as any of the husbands which is not that much listen i say if you're spicing up the storyline does he come to he doesn't come to i don't think so i would assume that they were an official by then the post came after they shot so

Speaker 3 um do we feel like we have clarity now with the whitney alibaba of it all i feel like she gave

Speaker 1 me she made me see her more guilty because i was like i thought they stole your pictures now you're saying you did use the stock footage for a little bit my My understanding of this world is like what Whitney was accused of is something that they all do.

Speaker 4 Also, I am very glad that Andy was like, Lisa, you realize that like this,

Speaker 4 this one bloggers 10,000 followers versus our platform, like he finally called her out for being like, just because it's... on one Instagram post and you bring it doesn't doesn't like

Speaker 4 equate to it being this rumor that everyone knows about that you need to bring up to national television.

Speaker 1 Lisa will call her people. She'll go the distance.
She'll create a fake account, tweet something, and go, oh, look, this rumor's public. I'm going to talk about it.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Do you think Lisa DMs Meredith? Like, that's the power dynamic there? Because Meredith is a queen of DMs. Lisa's the one of just knowing things that are happening.

Speaker 3 People just tell me things. I wouldn't have passed them.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Should we get on to Southern Charm?

Speaker 1 I was triggered by this episode. Southern Charm? Yeah.
In defense of Taylor? I'm actually kind of getting into it. Okay.
Because I hate JT so much. Right.

Speaker 3 JT's crazy.

Speaker 1 I don't. I like him.

Speaker 1 JT was the fucking loser fucking guy in high school who became friends with all the girls and just talked shit about all the guys who were actually dating the girls and make up rumors and like nothing.

Speaker 1 And it was just, he doesn't, he's not being Taylor's friend. He's fucking gossiping.

Speaker 1 And listen, you know, if like there's an affair going on behind someone's back and it's still going on and you talk to your friend, like, hey, you need to stop doing, they don't do it.

Speaker 1 Like you might be forced to have a tough conversation with a friend to let them know, hey, some shit's going down, yada, yada, yada. But, like, this story is in the fucking past.

Speaker 1 Like, no one's really a part of it. He brings it up out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 And like, it's also these vague accusations about a guy where, and, and then he throws Sally under the fucking bus and make it seem like she's like some adulterer, where it's like, my understanding of the story is like, it sounds like maybe he had a girlfriend, they made up, they quickly broke up afterwards.

Speaker 1 I'm not condoning it, I'm not saying it's okay. Like, he made an accusation of like some ongoing affair.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and JT was not there. And also don't forget the fact that last season, JT was trying to get with Taylor.
So it's like you telling this stuff about the boyfriend doesn't give altruism.

Speaker 1 It's giving, well, if you're single again, just know I'm the shoulder to cry on. You're right.

Speaker 6 I hate JT now.

Speaker 1 He's not

Speaker 1 any fucking troublemaker.

Speaker 4 And I didn't appreciate Shep's two cents of being like, Gazon's fucking ugly.

Speaker 3 Why is anyone even trying to be like, he's

Speaker 4 like, okay, Shep, you clearly are still in love with Taylor and you're just trying to like shoot down.

Speaker 1 I mean, sure, but I at least, was it a douchey move by Shep? Sure, but I at least understand the motives and it's less like, you know, it's his ex-girlfriend. He can be a little petty, fine.

Speaker 1 But like JT, no, like you're just, no one asked you. You're not involved.
Like you're just fucking with this girl's like mental health. What you're, no, you're fucking with two women's mental health.

Speaker 1 And you're throwing a guy under the bus, which is like, I don't know, maybe he did some shit.

Speaker 1 This wasn't like, again, not condoning if he made out with Sally when he shouldn't have made out with it, but I don't know. Maybe he's done some work.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like, they're the accusations JTeeth is throwing around about Taylor's boyfriend. Like, all the guys on the show have done some version of this kind of fuckboy.
He's describing fuckboy behavior.

Speaker 1 And, like, most fuckboys grow out of this behavior and settle down and like start acting like a person who actually wants to settle down. And for all we know, that's Taylor's boyfriend.

Speaker 3 And I couldn't love Craig more because Craig was literally just like, you're doing it again. This is none of your business.

Speaker 1 Why are you making this the topic of a conversation and why do you feel the right to be angry about it it didn't happen to you yeah i really like craig i really love his back his setup props craig your your setup situation props love i love that he's just like in family man mode it really you know listen paige and him didn't work out it sounds like you know they just weren't they weren't meant to be they wanted clearly they wanted different things i mean paige is all about independence not wanting to settle down like she's grinding she's in a career man

Speaker 1 she's a new yorker like the more you hear them both talk about what they want,

Speaker 1 the more it makes sense that they ended their relationship. But I hope Craig finds his lady.
He seems like he wants to be a good husband.

Speaker 6 Sally's saying she sucked dick for a little bit.

Speaker 1 A little bit. That was a great line.
Awesome lines. That was pretty awesome.
Not long. And everybody, like, what does that mean?

Speaker 1 First of all, like, what do you mean? What does that mean?

Speaker 1 She sucked a little dick.

Speaker 1 And then wrapped it up. Was everyone like doing marathon blowjobs or like everyone's like confused by she sucked dick for a little bit? I don't know.

Speaker 6 Well, in my head, it's like, well, you probably did more than that, so you're just downplaying it by making it like just a little bit.

Speaker 1 Nah, she was like, it was probably in the back of an ally. She's like, I don't know.
She's like, look the knob, looked a knob.

Speaker 1 She's like, you know what? Let's just fuck.

Speaker 3 She said, just

Speaker 1 she did say like in the car or like by the car, right?

Speaker 6 It was something

Speaker 1 I might have misheard the details, but but yeah, maybe they were in an environment where like honestly foreplay was just like not the time. And she was like, what am I doing down here? Let's just

Speaker 5 she said only for a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why are you wasting time down here? Why is everyone so confused by that?

Speaker 6 And then the Bonita romance with JT, I'm also just like, it's so orchestrated and I love Benita, but like.

Speaker 3 We also say your party sucks if not only multiple people are leaving in a huff, but like the actual party thrower is the host of the party is also leaving his own party.

Speaker 1 I think she's faking interest in JT just to have a storyline.

Speaker 4 I just hate that Taylor, like her boyfriend keeps getting thrown under the, like, he's not on this show, you know, like we see him. Right.

Speaker 4 And in tiny little glimpses, we have Sally, who's like, was talking shit about him.

Speaker 4 We had her this episode even being like, he's an easy name to throw under the bus or whatever the hell she slide comments she said.

Speaker 4 But it's just like, I just hate that this person who didn't sign up for the show is like the butt of every joke, you know, and is like everyone's trying to tear him down.

Speaker 1 It's kind of giving like the end of Vanderpump, where it was like, we were spending more time talking about fucking Joe.

Speaker 10 Joe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Joe. Oh, Joe.
Oh, my God. Shorts.
This is Joe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, and like, all, you know, there were all these like, you know, friends of and assistants and all these things where it's just, cause like, I feel like the cast was just like, either too tired of talking shit about each other.

Speaker 1 They didn't want the interrelations drama. So they like brought these other people in.
And that's kind of giving like we've run out of story.

Speaker 4 It's just clear that like Taylor is finally happy and secure and like good in her life and her relationship. And like these people want to tear that apart.

Speaker 3 And I'm just like, like they want to hold her to the person that she was last year while she was going through a tough time.

Speaker 3 And then also sounds like her boyfriend has a real job and just like wants to help her protect her peace when it comes to these people and filming.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like he's just not, he's not trying to be the star of it. He's not trying to get in drama with everybody.

Speaker 3 So everyone's like, do you think it's your boyfriend telling you that you're not allowed to come to the party?

Speaker 3 And I'm like, maybe he just got back into town, wants to spend time with his girlfriend without cameras around because he's not on the show.

Speaker 6 The way I saw it is that these, this group of cast friends are not friends with Taylor because in the beginning, Benita is saying, we all said we don't trust her.

Speaker 6 It's like, well, so we're just using her to like expose her, make her a storyline.

Speaker 1 It's like, but she's friends with her because of Shep and they're loyal to Shep and not Taylor.

Speaker 5 But it was really nice to see

Speaker 5 to see Molly's concert.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she played me. Yeah, Molly, Molly's great.

Speaker 5 Her saying she can't play tuba as well because of her lip filler.

Speaker 1 It was so cute.

Speaker 3 It sounded very good.

Speaker 4 I think she gets more lip filler, girl. I feel like you got more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or put in there.

Speaker 5 Oh my God, that amateur?

Speaker 1 Gorge.

Speaker 6 The angle of her playing the tuba, I was like, I respect her so much that she was like, sure, put it there. I don't care what I look like.

Speaker 5 Shout out to band kids in reality TV. You don't get to see too many.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She might.
I did not know that Erica Jane's son is a cop. Yeah.
Yep. We've been known.

Speaker 4 And he's on testifying or as a part of this ASAP Rocky trial that we were just talking about last week.

Speaker 1 He was as a cop. We can only assume he's testifying against ASAP Rocky.

Speaker 6 He was the cop that arrived to the scene first. That's just.

Speaker 3 He's not testifying, I think, against or for. It's more so just like in accounts of like what he saw when he arrived on scene.

Speaker 1 but who's calling him to the stand the prosecution or the defense i'm guessing the prosecution i'm sure i know they both can but i'm wondering who did

Speaker 1 usually it's the prosecution i don't know well it's just kind of like you know we know that rihanna is like dming with housewives she's a huge housewife fan it's just kind of like crazy that one of the more iconic housewives' son is a cop testifying in her husband's case and again he's facing up to like 25 years in prison this is like this is not like fucking a jaywalking ticket like crazy well and also what i read too is that he was offered a plea deal that would have ended in six months.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I'm assuming you got to assume good behavior, cut that in half.
Three. Yeah.
It would have served maybe a month or two. And then he was like, fuck that.
No, let's go all the way.

Speaker 6 I think you need to watch old Erica, like Girardi Jane scenes where she's talking about her son being a cop because it's entertaining. In what way, Justin? Like, so there's, what was it?

Speaker 6 Was it Berlin? What was the trip where like Erica was like, don't ever talk about my son? There's that, which is iconic. Lisa Vanderpump was there.

Speaker 6 Then we have when Tom Girardi was caught, there was Erica spinning the story of when she found Tom Girardi and she was like, He drove down a hill, and then my son. He was snowing out.

Speaker 3 My son was a police officer, then he rolled his car six times, and it's just been a really tough time for him.

Speaker 1 But it was rolling his car six times,

Speaker 1 but then it was snowing during like the summer, like just all snowing in Beverly Hills. There's so many details in the summer.

Speaker 3 It was a whole long monologue that she was like, it was when she was like,

Speaker 4 when it comes to the colours, people use it for like the, I don't want to talk about Tom's car was broken in, and he was like, you know,

Speaker 6 but then also Tom like did raise Erica's son as if it was his son too. So, I mean, it's sweet on that part, but sure.
Very entertaining surrounding the sun.

Speaker 3 Tom's house is broken into. He confronted the burglar and then had to go have eye surgery.
And then my son had to go over and help. And then my son, he rolled his car five times on the way home.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I'm under a lot of stress.

Speaker 1 It's unclear.

Speaker 6 When she was telling the story, it became different people and then there's different details.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I'm under a lot of stress.

Speaker 3 When she was like being cagey with being able to answer things, and it was like a conversation with Kyle being like, how are you?

Speaker 5 And she's just like yep this is what i'm doing and so yeah i'm saying i'm under a lot of stress and it was like that's such an aaron brockovich line is the best part of it that's how you are two wrong feet and ugly shoes she could body that role i did see a headline recently of kyle richards new reason why she returned to beverly hills because every single week there's a new one like that's an amazing headline her new reason i think what was her first reason her first reason was that she like she wasn't it that she had been on the show for so long and just like needed a break she was overwhelmed and became depressed so she quit for a week.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But then she returned because there are some of these housewives that truly cannot apologize. Like they are never wrong.

Speaker 5 Kyle's current reason is that it's because she's known production for so long and like she, it's such a big part of her life that she just like

Speaker 5 for the team and the family.

Speaker 1 She didn't want to walk away because it's just...

Speaker 4 But are these words from Kyle's mouth or is these sources?

Speaker 5 Those are words. I know that after 14 years of being on the show, production has been family to me.
And through all my ups and downs, they have been a constant in my life.

Speaker 5 And I thought to myself, what would I do if all of a sudden that's removed from my life too?

Speaker 1 Oh, she's an empath.

Speaker 3 She also kind of made a statement about Bose. She was like, I left that thinking I'm done.
I don't need friends like this. I don't need the money.
Why am I here?

Speaker 3 Bose seems to really just only see through Darit's lens everyone because they'd spent time together. And Dorit was just coming at me non-stop.

Speaker 3 And then Sutton and Garcelle, who are my friends, who know who I am, were all of a sudden back in it with Darit, which makes no sense because they're always coming for Darit.

Speaker 3 And then there I have Erica Jane, the only one who's standing up for me. Even Darit came out, and then Sutton didn't.
And I'm like, wow, this is just like, bam, bam, bam.

Speaker 5 It's almost as if you're in the wrong if all your friends disagree with you, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just be like, hey, listen, you know, honestly, it wasn't my best moment as your friend. I'm sorry.
If I, if, like I said, if it was, if I were in that shoes, I'd be mad too. So, like, my bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 The thing about Kyle and that conversation with Doreet, I can't get over is her being like, well, I never saw that side of PK.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay.

Speaker 5 And it's like, it's, it's a little victim blamey on Kyle's part talking about Darit, where she's like, well, I never saw saw that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The not wife of someone is saying, oh, well, I didn't see a side, even though the one who's married to the man is like, huh?

Speaker 1 And again, you're welcome to that opinion, Kyle, but you're clearly not having your alleged friends back. You are choosing sides and you're choosing PKs.
And that's fine. She can choose PKs, but like.

Speaker 5 You got to deal with the consequences of that.

Speaker 1 You don't get to be like a good friend. Well, that wraps it up for today's episode of Reality Recap.
Thank you to our guests, Robin and Nikki of Traitors. Back on Thursday with a rockstar episode.

Speaker 1 We got Heidi and Spencer, we got Olivia Holt. We'll see you then.
Bye.

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