
E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
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Timestamps:
(00:00) - Intro
(01:19) - Bachelor Recap
(15:23) - Household Headlines
(26:49) - Daily Dilemma
(35:05) - Lawsuit Update
(44:11) - Robyn Joins
(59:33) - Nikki Joins
(01:22:24) - RHONY
(01:31:58) - Finishing Household Headlines
(01:33:35) - RHOSLC Reunion
(01:44:52) - Southern Charm
(01:56:27) - Outro
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Full Transcript
what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and i gotta say i'm very optimistic about this Bachelor season. Very.
I'll get into it momentarily. We have an amazing episode lined up for you.
Obviously, we'll break down last night's episode of the Bachelor premiere. Grant's Journey of Love is now kicking off.
We got Traders. We got some Salt Lake City reunion.
We have Robin and Nikki from Traders, both excommunicated from the castle. They will be joining us later in the show to talk about WTF.
Why were they kicked out? Especially Nikki really got stabbed in the back. Chrishell really.
She's like, I hate. I felt her pain.
Yeah. But don't say it.
She said it. She said, I'm here to catch Traitors.itors she's an empath like you let's learn guys you know if it's if all you got is the energy in the room like maybe don't vote off your bestie it was like watching bambi's mom shoot bambi yeah it was anyways we'll get into that later this episode uh bachelor i want to get i want to get into the bachelor i want to kick things off right before we get to household headlines.
I wasn't really sure going into the season. We had the pleasure of interviewing Grant not too long ago.
If you don't know much about Grant, you want to learn about Grant, I know they don't do much with the intro package. Obviously, he was on Gen Season.
And he was like a top five, top six. Anyways, that episode, that going deeper with Grant is out there.
But Grant, nice guy. Really, really.
What I know, what we learned about Grant, super nice. Definitely a gentleman.
Successful, good looking, has a lot of qualities. But I wasn't sure about how messy could Grant get.
I wasn't sure. And then obviously, you never know with the women they cast.
That's really not Grant's job. And who knows? They're not really ever casting for The Bachelor.
So you so you never really know here's why i'm optimistic i'm super optimistic because i've always said if they if the bachelor could pull this off it would probably be one of the best seasons of all time and if you guys saw the super tees now the super tees hard to trust sometimes because you know they they really are you know specific specifically around the drama so like it does seem dramatic but at the very end boy they were like i don't know how that's edited to the point where like most of it's not true and that at the end was assuming it's grant talking to his dad i believe that was his dad also talking to jesse where it's just like going into the like the final date like grant doesn't know who he was going to pick but to the point where jesse's like hey you need to decide decide because they bring the person you're not going to pick first.
And it's just like,
he's like, I don't fucking know.
And like, if that's how,
if that's how it plays out,
it's going to be good.
It's going to be juicy.
It's going to be messy
because, you know,
if we all love the women,
his final two,
then like we're going to feel bad for one.
It's going to be kind of awkward.
That's going to be great.
What if we love one,
but hate the other?
What if one of the two finalists
are the villain of the season?
That would be epic, right?
Lots of good possibilities.
Anyways, very optimistic about this season.
What did you all think of night one?
I loved it.
I was like, I don't know that I've seen The Bachelor make out with this many people the first night, but I was here for it.
I was like, test the waters.
Three?
Was it three?
It was quite a few.
It was more than three.
I wanted Grant to just make out with every single one.
I was like, pour it up.
Do it.
Get in there.
But I actually loved his women.
I still do think Ali Jo is going to be the villain.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
There were five kisses, by the way.
I don't think Ali Jo is going to be the villain.
I think she's going to have an early exit.
She might just be from Jersey.
She was in the super teaser. Yeah, she was.
I think the Puerto Rican lady. Carolina.
Yeah, I think she's definitely going to be a villain. You think she's giving villain? There was a scene where she is walking up some stairs and she's basically said, yeah, I'm the villain or something villainous.
Who was your favorite entrance? I think my favorite entrance was Latia. She's bad at basketball, but she had the sparkly.
The dress was insane. I mean, honestly, I feel like the fashion this season was kind of blah.
Really? I was like, I really do love sparkles. No, a few of them pulled it off.
A few of them looked like they were just guests at a cocktail wedding attire. First kiss.
Was this like a oh no she was giving fashion I liked her Alicia Alicia Alicia she was getting bodice she was giving fashion yeah the neck she was giving fashion maybe you know what do I know I don't know it all kind of gives prom dress to me but it's cute and I like it and I thought they were all really sweet I feel like Rose could have maybe pulled something more she just had like a a silk satin dress, you know. Chloe, the red high neck, was also kind of giving wedding guests.
What about Dina? Dina's dress was- Oh, Dina looked amazing. She's laid.
Yeah. Dina looked amazing.
So did Zoe, the t-shirt, shooting the t-shirt. That was my favorite.
That was a good one. That was awesome.
Plus, she was last. Isn't she like an engineer? Yeah, engineer and model.
That's so tight. That's awesome.
Rose came out first. Zoe, she came out last.
That usually is important. When did you come out? Well, I was middle of the pack.
I was an underdog, baby. They didn't see me coming.
We got Alex with the silent E. That was hard for me.
At least we know. It's now Alex and not Alexi.
Alexi. I was shocked by that first impression rose.
Didn't see that coming. I didn't either.
Maybe he was like, I feel like I have to give it to her because if she brings a llama and then she doesn't get the first impression rose,'s a little I couldn't take the like skits with the llama oh my god it was a bit much it was too much everyone was doing then Jesse was doing it yeah I loved it Alicia beefing with the llama I was like I love Alicia more for this Linda well I'll say this much Linda the first impression rose is very much the decision of The Bachelor. Very little influence from the producers go into that decision.
So he must really like her. And couple that with the fact that like she also gets Alex gets the first one on one date.
That's like a double target on your back. Ooh, say more.
The former showrunner always told me after my time on the show that they tend to get their villain from either the first impression rows or the first one-on-one date because
it puts a target on their back. And then that person has a hard time handling the attention.
When you get that early validation and if you feel like there's a connection and then all of a sudden you feel like you have this connection, a bunch of people have had no time. So when you feel like you have a connection with someone, you take things more seriously.
You start not even realizing, you start kind of dismissing your peers a little bit because they're out there hanging with their homies and you're falling in love and people just kind of get annoyed by you. So it's a double whammy.
So much for a no drama llama. How did y'all feel about Bailey's constant selfies? It's a lot.
I think Leia. Oh, my God.
Yeah, Leia was. I fucking hated that.
I literally. That's who she is.
She's an influencer. It just, when I thought, I was like, oh, this is too much.
And then she kept doing it. Yeah.
Also, not great quality. I'll say that.
They weren't great quality. It's a vision into your life, Grant.
I mean, like, take a picture of me. She was honest up front.
I'll give her that. I do respect that.
She knows where you stand. I will say I liked
the Bob bit. The Bob bit was
cute. That was funny.
But it was just
the constant selfies that
it was like, okay.
I guess it must have been some producer's phone. They were like,
here, take this in with you. I will say
night one. We're going to see
all those photos on Bachelor's Instagram.
You guys don't know this, but in the NFL world, they often say how week one is a lie because
it's early in the season.
You know, there's a lot of upsets because like it's week one, you know, teams aren't
really at their full capacity.
I would say the same about night one and the Bachelor.
I think we have to be careful about like our observations about who these people are night
one, because again, it's night one.
They're super nervous. They're coming out.
They're told nervous they're coming out they're told to do a bit they're encouraged to do a bit they're encouraged to stand out so like let's let the dust settle we you never know like maybe bailey will just like completely lose the whole like phone bit like for those uh who are have been watching for a while peter weber's season one of the more iconic seasons of all time, a la Victoria, is not showing up for Hometowns. But Hannah Ann, another iconic character, everyone thought she was going to be a villain early on.
She had Champagne Gate with Kelsey. And Hannah Ann really just kind of settled in and really became the unproblematic, sweet, dare I say, slightly boring.
And I mean that, and I love Hannah in the best possible way but like yeah it was you know you gotta let the dust settle before like the real drama unfolds so you know week one's kind of a lie i did like juliana a lot i wish she would have actually taken a bite of that cannoli though yeah she really just only got the edge chewing for forever she may have been like nervous dry mouth you, when you like try to eat something and you're like, oh no. She had lipstick on.
What is she supposed to do? Ruin the makeup? Yeah, I think she should go for it. If you're going to do a bit, let him wipe the cannoli off your lip.
Open up that throat and go in for the kiss. Also like, do a real lady in the tramp.
Yeah. You know, I want it real.
What about Parisa's slideshow? It was cute. I loved it.
I loved it. At first, you know i want i want it i want it real what about parisa slideshow i was cute i loved it i loved it at first you know obviously they did her dirty with like oh let's like take away the stereotype of crazy lady and cats while like looking at her rock collection laying on her stomach i'm kind of obsessed with her but it gets back to like again night one is about doing these types of things and i thought she delivered it and sold it in a in a great way like obviously you sit down for a powerpoint it's giving like oh my god like type a you know like oh like oh my god and then like she she had a lot of fun with it i thought she did a really good job i was shocked that she got the last rose but i think they she got the last rose because you know again early on they will always pick one or two people who they think kind of gives crazy eyes and is the most animated facial expressions because the longer they have to wait for the rose, the more they just lose their fucking mind.
And so she seems to be a very animated, has a lot of animated facial features. So I don't think her getting the last rose means she's on the chopping block.
She looked like Mariska Hagerty. That's all I could think the whole time.
She did. Special Victims Unit.
Hagerty. Hagerty.
Law and Order your girl? who looks like her? Parisa she looks like her interesting I do not see that I don't see that sorry Justin they're both white and brunette no it's the face like the facial features did Parisa's slideshow at all give anybody how to lose a guy in 10 days when she's like I have a family help them kids I love her yeah kind of. Yeah, kind of.
Yeah, yeah. But she did it in a very cute.
I wish she would have like kind of, maybe she did and they cut it out, but I wish she would have leaned into like, AI really knows us. Because that was AI.
Fuck. That was the first time AI showed up in the Bachelor mansion.
That's kind of creepy. Oh, I thought she was good at photoshopping.
No. I wish she would have been like, AI knows us so well, and it maybe would have...
There were like six fingers in there for sure. Yeah.
I bet that Parisha would like make a mean YouTube video essay though. I was shocked that Alicia got second to last rose after they kissed and had such a moment.
Yeah. Cute banter.
Yeah. They had a lot of chemistry.
Could you imagine y'all kissing and then him being like you gotta go no but she was imagining that for like an hour because that law that first rose ceremony when he like walks in says like four names walks out waits five minutes comes in says four more names walks out and then sometimes if he like forgets the four names because like they'll always they usually give you four names and they're like if you forget doesn't matter honestly you can do one at a time because every time you walk out they won't know why they'll freak the fuck out it'll be it'll be great but usually it's four yeah they'll give you four names and you walk in walk out give four and then you're just waiting the whole time so yeah that probably that first rose ceremony took like 45 minutes and she was just like going in and being like we may only the first kiss blah blah blah and then he's just like handing out the roses anyways it's also kind of it was intense when he would just grab the rose and just stop at every group of women and then be like okay keep going oh my god wait rose and the clay rings I thought that was cute the moon ring the clay rings when they had the clay and they were yeah and then's sister pulled up I kind of like that move I liked it I called it though I was like it's his sister it's definitely his sister oh my god I was with them I was like is this an ex like this is so shady she looks exactly like Grant I feel like as soon as they saw her they would have been like they're related in some ways that's so true from the back I was like okay well they were cutting in and out to the ITMs of all the women giving commentary and it was always like this girl she's a baddie she's awesome she's this she's that and I'm like it's definitely a sister because otherwise it would have been like who's this motherfucking showing up late yeah like you could tell it was somewhat that's a good point and he was like oh shit but not like oh shit yeah he was too excited for it to be somebody dark from his past. Great looking family.
Yeah. Yeah.
Great looking family. Yeah, fun little bit.
Anyways, optimistic about this season. Wasn't sure going in, but I'll be tuning in.
They're doing the damn thing. Do you guys have any front runners? Dina.
Zoe. I think Juliana, for sure.
Zoe, yeah. Latia.
Or Zoe Basketball. No, that's Latia.ia No that was Jenae Oh no Jenae did the chalk And Jenae went home Zoe was the t-shirt Latia had the sparkly basketball I'm gonna say my top four right now Are gonna be Latia Zoe Rose Alex There were so Alex there are so many clips of her like sobbing crying you can only be sobbing crying Rose is like you did me so dirty yeah mine's Alex it's definitely not Carolina because you saw that clip of her going to Grant being like what did you say about me Carolina I think she's gonna go the way of Sydney she's gonna be like top six she'll go home right before hometowns.
Yeah. She was going to be one of my finalists.
She still can be. Carolina.
We're just guessing here. Alex.
Alicia. And yeah, that's what I got so far.
So I got Zoe. Zoe.
Latia. Rose.
And then. Juliana.
Natalie. Juliana for sure.
Natalie, maybe. Which one's Juliana? Juliana's the one who ate the cannoli and they had that cute banter she was like playing the piano and he was like you're so talented and they were going they were kissing and he was like she was talking during the kissing and they were like oh yeah yeah I guess we'll see Carolina I think the fact that she I loved how she admitted dating a DJ.
Yeah. That was good.
Some good self-awareness. It was.
But like, I think she's like, she's been like behind the DJ booth a lot, I think. Yeah.
I think this environment that she in is not as intimidating for her as it is for these other women. And I think that's why she's ultimately going to be the villain.
She's going to be unafraid and cocky and confident. And it's going to start rubbing some of these women the wrong way.
She was crying every two seconds. In the super tees? No, just episode one.
Every conversation. Tears.
I don't know why I'm doing this. We don't either.
Okay, well, exciting times. All right, household headlines.
What do we got? Love is Blind is returning on Valentine's Day for season eight. All right.
Love is still in the air. Wow.
Where's the season again? I think it's Minnesota. It's Minnesota.
Yeah. Yeah.
Minneapolis. Between the cities.
The home of Prince. The home of Prince.
Midwest drama. Do you think people are actually watching this on Valentine's Day? Because you know the first batch is like three, four episodes.
We will be. I will be.
I feel like Valentine's Day is like at this point a little overrated. You know, I feel like people, less and less people are going out to dinner and like doing this big hurrah.
I feel like most people now are like, let's order in. Let's like watch a movie.
Make dinner. Do something cute together personal.
Because have you been to lunch or dinner on Valentine's Day? In LA? Yeah, it's a scam It sounds like a mess It's a pre-fixed menu You're sitting there with like I'm already out Couples that are like Couldn't get a babysitter So you're in between strollers And this is like Beverly Hills Like I'm like We did this last year And I was like Never again are we going out for Valentine's Day I say I just like everything being heart-shaped That you can buy it As someone that really loves like little heart shape, no matter what time of year it is, I get to bulk up. Nick and I went to HomeGoods the other day and I just ordered Valentine's Day baskets and I got Easter baskets.
And so I was like, okay, I've got to find some stuff to fill these. And we were in HomeGoods and Nick was like, what is all? I mean, they've got this heart shaped shaped noodles and glitter and he's like who is buying this like oh a popcorn or dog yeah in the shape of a heart no it was it was a bench oh yeah okay yeah but uh it was very much that trend on tiktok that's like have you ever do you excuse me ma'am do you have a i love this five foot long yeah we gotta do that like the weirdest shit they're like oh yeah right over here it's like do you have a frog doing a backwards yoga pose while holding a hose do you have a statue of a corner of a cob that's peeled like a banana that kind of looks a little phallic yes we do we just got it in yeah then we went to the apple store which was triggering for for me.
I broke, I shattered my phone.
Trying to steal a lemon from our neighbor's tree.
They were, you know, first of all, they were hanging over in our yard.
They have a giant lemon tree.
There's hundreds of lemons, more than enough to go around.
Anyways, some are hanging over.
We, I was, I was married.
It's giving, curb your enthusiasm.
Yes, it is.
Larry David, he's like, wants him to pay to have the tree curb your enthusiasm. Yes, it is.
It's giving Larry David
if he wants him to pay
to have the tree removed
or whatever.
Anyways,
I was making shish kebabs,
which was already
an epic fail.
Natalie hated it.
I really failed dinner.
How do you feel shish kebabs?
I don't want to talk about it.
Natalie was like,
I guess I'll have cereal.
I wanted to order Chinese
and he was like,
what if we just made like shish kebabs? That's different and new like chicken kebabs and I was like, I guess I'll have cereal. I wanted to order Chinese.
And he was like, what if we just made like chish kebabs? That's different and new, like chicken kebabs. And I was like, all right, sure, I could do that.
The chicken wasn't cooked. It was like in Southern hospitality.
It was like, it wasn't cooked. It was fine.
It was more than fine. It wasn't my best work, but the rice was all wrong.
So in the process of curing two lemons i shattered my phone like shattered like it was like it wasn't like the screen was it wasn't it wasn't even shattered it was just like glitched like you know like he didn't break the screen but like the whole screen was green yeah it was giving technical difficulties oh my god technical difficulties so in the morning night i decided to go to the apple store i had some laptop issues i figured you know what let's just go and you know i had some old earbuds that i needed to like hopefully replace as well and we went there early and then i was like oh it turns out that i opened till 11 we left at 10 so like let's go to home depot and like have some quality time and home goods whatever and then so we promptly got to the apple store i got to the apple store at 11 o'clock as soon as they opened up there me and three other people. There's no one there.
It was raining. Finally, it rained in LA, by the way.
Yay for all of us. And then I'm like, hey, I need to buy a phone.
No problem. They're quick to help me about that.
Buying anything, no problem. Tons of people.
Hey, I have also, I have my laptop and some stuff. I have some help.
But like, oh, well, do you have an appointment for that? I'm like, no, there's like three people in the store. Well, I know what you know what we can help you out as if like they're doing me a favor meanwhile there's also a guy like on a microphone yelling out being like all right the uh workshop starts in five minutes there's three people in the fucking store and he's like on a microphone yelling to the whole store well i'm just trying to get some help for my laptop and my phone and my earbuds and then made me an appointment for my laptop and then sort of like oh well it's your charging cord i'm like great can i get in because i got the laptop like six months ago yeah like let's see if it's under warranty but we have to like book an appointment for that to like see if it's under warranty like i guess anyways i had the appointment and they're like what about my air buds like do you have an appointment for that i'm like this isn't my appointment no you have to book a separate appointment for that i'm like? I'm about to lose my fucking mind.
Derek worked at an Apple store. I don't know how he did it.
I don't know what's... Wait, are you telling me that you have to have a separate appointment for each device? That's what they were telling me.
Which one did you go to? Was it the Grove? The one in the Americana? I don't know. Anyways, but they're like, oh, good news.
We have an appointment? No, your computer is under warranty and we can replace your charging cord. Oh, bad news.
We don't have that replacement cord in the color of this one. So we can't give you a new one here.
We can ship it to you. And I'm like, well, I have no other way to charge my laptop.
So I thought, by the way. The color? Wait, they wouldn't give it to you because it was the wrong color? Yeah, apparently a different color.
But so I'm like, well, I guess I'll just have to buy one. Because then I thought I was going to get a different color.
No, I got the same color, but that one's available for purchase, not for the replacement. Oh my God.
I'm losing my mind. This does sound like a Curb episode.
Then while I'm getting my new phone and uploading it, my computer's at 1%. So I'm like, hey, do you have any like chargers for this laptop? Now I got one of the new laptops and you know how like every like six months, like Apple like changes all their chargers.
Hate it. And like my old laptop had the two USBs and then like, remember the one that had like the magnetic charger? That's one mine has now where it just kind of breaks away.
Well, turns out my computer charges both ways. I never knew.
And they, the guys who sold me the new charger, never fucking told me. But this other guy's like, oh, you can use this.
I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? This is after I spent $50 on a charger that is under warranty that they told me they couldn't sell me this one. I was about to lose my fucking mind.
That's warranted. I think that's absolutely fair.
Tim absolutely fair Tim Cook, you're dead Nick rolled his eyes and gave some attitude I just rolled my eyes He's like, are you mad at me? He's like, are you mad at me or Apple? Nick was like, Apple Because I just work here That's such a mean move Now I'm like, now I hate you Now I think're an asshole. And I hope that the rest of your life is nothing but misery.
Nick, I want you to know that you're seen. I've also been a Karen in an apple before.
It was triggering. It was really, really, really fucking triggering.
I feel like we all have a place or something that brings out a Karen in us. And mine is the people who knock on my door after they walk past my no soliciting sign.
And you witnessed me. I did.
The other day as this woman, it's always when River's down for a nap and the dogs go fucking crazy when people ring the doorbell. And this girl was like, hi, Mr.
I'm not even going to try to pronounce it. And I was like, I'm his wife.
And she was like, OK, we were just replacing windows. Do you have any windows or doors that you would like me to look at to replace and i was like no but did you see the no soliciting sign and she was like oh i see it now and i was like great because you just woke up my baby with my dogs barking and she was like all right well i'll be seeing myself out as you should thank you thank you i feel like we all have a place that The DMV I I feel like brings out a lot of Karen.
That should, though. It's the DMV.
Gas stations. You know, the DMV is run by an inefficient government and like whatever.
Like Apple is like richer than most countries. It's the richest company in the world because they're pricks.
Yeah. You know, it's annoying at an Apple store is if you ask for someone above them, they'll be like, I'm the highest person here.
That's what got me irritated. If that were to happen to me, I'm digging my feet in.
I'm not leaving. I'm like, that's not true.
Let's just say I have a corporate contact after that visit. Your follow through, Justin, is really.
It's impressive. I aspire.
Thank you. For it.
Yeah. It's really.
Yeah. Most people are just threateners, but you're actually like.
I say it peacefully, and I think that's where they're like, oh, we can't even say this person's mad. Yeah, no, it's great.
My face crumbles. Do y'all know what's going on with Billy Ray Cyrus right now? Not good, I don't think.
I don't know. I know Trace, he posted an Instagram post, old post with caption, saying that he's praying for his father.
Like, I hope he gets help. He may not be here for long.
A lot of like strong emotions in that post, but he's not explicitly saying what's going on. I know people are assuming that it's like addiction, maybe alcohol.
Well, I remember when him and Fire Rose got a divorce and there was like audio footage released of him like screaming at her or something. And then I know Miley has spoken about how she's like,
I got my narcissistic side from my father and none of them communicate with him or something. But then, yeah, I saw Trace Cyrus, which I didn't even know there was a Trace Cyrus.
And I guess there's another son too. It's Brayson.
Brayson. There it is.
It seems like an ongoing saga that this
family obviously faces constant
turmoil and a lot
of sadness.
I do feel sad for him that he
feels like he needs to come to Instagram and
hopes that that'll be a way to get through to his dad.
Yeah. It's a sad
situation.
I don't know.
Scary movie is being rebooted
and I am personally very happy about this.
On a far assistance.
I'm not sure what's going on. Yeah.
So, I don't know. Scary Movie is being rebooted, and I am personally very happy about this.
On a far assistance.
I'm ready.
Just everybody.
But I mean, it came to my attention that Nick can care less about the Scary Movies.
Never really got into it.
I didn't really even get into the Screams after Scream 1.
But it's my understanding that the Scary Movies franchise first was based off the Scream franchise. The first one is, but every other movie is about a different Scary Movie.
Are they scary?
I think Joel McHale was casting.
Thank you. movie's franchise first was based off the Scream franchise? The first one is, but every other movie is about a different scary movie.
Are they scary? I think Joel McHale was casting in the most recent scary movie. I knew that just because I'm a fan of his.
Any other reasons why we're excited about it? I just think we need... Because I used to do it where I'd watch the actual horror movie and then watch the scary movie version after and then I'd be healed.
And the first two were directed by the Wayans brothers. I don't know who directed the other few, but the Wayans brothers are taking it back over.
So this will be directed by them again. So it'll be in the vein, I'm assuming, of the first two, which was explicitly funny.
Ashley Tisdale was in the last one with Madea. Yep.
Actually, I think Sarah was in the fifth one too. It's just, I feel like we're severely lacking in just good, goofy, silly fun.
Yeah. For like pure idiotic and lunatic purposes.
And that's where I'm really happy. I just want to like sit in a movie and just like be allowed to laugh.
Yeah. So it is actually funny.
Yeah. They're like, they're spoofs.
Have you seen the scene of where she's like, Cindy, the TV's leaking. You've never seen that or heard it? Have you seen The Ring? No.
Okay. I think you you need to watch one you'll enjoy it yeah do you like scary movies uh it depends on how scary i guess like i don't want nightmares yeah but i also like that's why you watch scary movie but is it like no you might feel for a second like oh this is kind of scary but then they immediately make you laugh yeah okay and then it's like a dick joke yeah yeah yeah love a dick joke all right love a dick joke uh in the spirit of uh since everyone responded to uh my losing my mind over the girl scout cookie were they on your side or off your side i don't know don't care okay people had opinions i had one but i came up with i i have a new like fun segment i want to do daily dilemma leah came up with the title of uh random uh family saga stories where there may or may not be a debate to be had uh this week's edition is wedding themed uh leah can you read that headline absolutely mom catches heat for agreeing to pay for her daughter's wedding but not her stepdaughter's valid.
Valid. I'll give a little more context if you want.
Yes, please. Okay.
So the two daughters have gotten engaged and only Hannah was informed that her wedding would be paid for. When Alexa asked her father if he and her biological mother would be paying for her wedding, he told her no.
He said she should have a wedding that she and her fiance can afford. The sisters went to lunch and Alexa found out that Hannah's wedding was being paid for and she called her dad crying that it's unfair.
So who's the biological parent here? The dad. Alexa asked her father.
Yeah. So it's the dad.
Yeah. It's her stepdaughter.
So the dad is the biological parent. The mother is the stepmother.
Damn. That's dirty.
Who's paying for it though? Is it the stepmom or like, who makes the bucks, man? I think it's dirty. I don't like it.
But like, when did they get married? If the mom, if I want to pay for River's wedding and you like had a kid with someone prior, you can pay for their wedding you and and her mom can pay for that wedding you know like if if this couple got married three years ago or something and like the mom her whole life has been saving up for her daughter's wedding that is what happened the mother was saving up for the wedding so john believes that they should split the money evenly between the sisters although the woman told him no because i was the one who had been saving the wedding. So John believes that they should split the money evenly between the sisters.
Although the woman told him no, because I was the one who had been saving the money. I'm team mom here.
Yeah. Valid.
Team mom. How long have they been married? Do we know that? Bad dad.
Have they been married for like, has the stepdaughter been in her life for like five years? That's the thing. Is it like they got remarried when the stepdaughter was like 10 or when she was like 30? Because I think that also different you know how old are the girls now i am not sure either way i think i'm team mom i think i'm i think it's a bad dad story i think the stepchild's biological mom and her biological dad should step up to the plate and help her out maybe there's no mom when their daughter was 10 years old from that point forward, it was decided that she and John would split Hannah's cost while he would split Alexa's cost with her mother.
She claims that at the moment, she told John that she was starting a savings account for Hannah and hoped I could save enough money to pay for her wedding or a down payment on a house. The woman said their finances are kept separate and the conversation didn't come up again.
So this was a conversation they had when one of their daughters at least was 10 years old. And she said, I'm saving up for my daughter to have a wedding.
John could have asked Alexa's mom to start a bank account to save up for their wedding, did not. And this is where we're at right now.
I don't think she's an asshole. No, I'm a team mom.
Yeah. Team mom.
I have step siblings. I'm also a team mom.
There's a lot of stepkids out there Who are not happy Who do not agree But take that up with John John you fucked up Dirty John Would you get married at a Chuck E. Cheese? I already did Chuck E.
Cheese and an April Fool's joke About a wedding about a wedding package About saying that yeah there's a wedding package And then basically a couple had a wedding at 8am At a Chuck E. Cheese for $800 8am that's early risers To go to that wedding Yeah but like she opted out What I found fascinating about this story is like Because she was going to have a different more expensive wedding At a different more expensive pizza place It says because the bride wanted to have a fun wedding that didn't break the bank.
She started looking for local pizza restaurants that could host around 25 guests, but everything exceeded her budget. I thought it didn't make sense to spend thousands on a pizza dinner, so I tried to think outside the box and come up with a venue that would be more fun, but still on the cheaper side.
This is great. They landed on Chuck E.
Cheese. Honestly, if you're going to go to a pizza joint, just pick the cheapest one.
The one you can have more fun. I thought you were going to say, if you're going to go to a pizza joint, just get married.
There's that. But what I thought was also super cute about this story is that not only was it only $800, everybody got an unlimited game bracelet.
So they were all playing arcade games for the reception.
And then their like parting gift was
they got a prize
with the tickets that they won.
And they also did it
before they opened to the public
11 a.m.
So there's not a ton of kids
just running around.
That's cute.
That's awesome.
I think they nailed it.
I'm sorry.
No, it's definitely.
You can't if you're not
if you're if your sister-in-law
doesn't own a beautiful animal farm
where you can have a Yellowstone themed type wedding.type wedding, go Chuck E. Cheese.
Legit, though. That's what we would have.
Honestly, it was like that or Chuck E. Cheese.
I would go Margaritaville. CityWalk Margaritaville.
I think I'd probably do a movie theater that had the arcade in it. Okay.
Definitely would love that.
Another dilemma.
Uber is giving out free month of rides
for teens who failed
their driver's test.
I feel like this is an Uber scam.
I don't know.
So we're
congratulating them
for failing their test?
Basically...
So like dumb kids
get free rides?
The reason they're doing it
is to basically...
They're trying to help
the parents out.
So they're saying
because the parents
have busy schedules
with like dropping them off
at practice, to school.
Take care of your kids.
I'm not putting my kid in an Uber.
Yeah.
Well.
Uber's like, sorry, parents.
You're too busy not parenting your kids.
Let us.
Let strangers.
Let a strange man take your kid to soccer practice.
So it's like a teen account connected to the parent's account.
So I think you could assume it's a more safer version.
Oh, so they're letting the drivers know that a minor is about to enter their vehicle. They're giving them a heads up.
Yeah, that's what it sounds like. You're trying too hard, Uber.
Yeah. Hey, parents, just parent.
Uber. Be involved with your kids.
Why don't you have driving lessons for kids then? Like, I, right? Maybe teach them a skill. Instead of putting them in a car along with a stranger, teach them how to drive.
Maybe that's what they're doing. The driving test can be hard for some people.
Not for me. I passed with flying colors.
I failed my first one. You did? Your written test, you failed like three.
That's as an adult. No, when I was 16.
The written test written tests in California are bullshit. And it's like, they're complicated questions.
No, my first driver's test, I, you know, it was a four-way stop, so I thought. You totally paused? I paused, and then there was a car coming.
It was, and then the driver's like, yeah, there's a car coming, you failed. But then the second time, I only got one point off.
Wait, what do you mean? So you stopped at just an intersection that was go? I was about to go, and I would have made it for sure. But the instructor told me to stop.
And since they had to stop me from going, I guess that was an automatic fail of some kind. I don't know.
Wait, can I just say that I don't think driver instructors get enough credit because that's a very dangerous job.
Like, think about that.
You're literally in the car with somebody who does not know how to drive while everybody else is driving.
You've got people driving crazy because they're experienced.
No, no.
Some of them do.
You're putting your life in danger.
But some of them, no.
Nick, Natalie, who is going to be the one to sit in the car and do all the hours with River?
Me.
Why?
Do you think you'll handle it more calmly?
I just feel like I do think I'm a better driver.
And I feel like we learned that with your whole, what story was that?
Running out of gas story.
Yeah.
I don't know if that has to do with my driver's skills, but.
We also failed your adult test a few times.
You just admitted to that, so...
Then you failed your first test.
You tried to pass that test.
I did.
I do still have a Georgia driver's license.
I'm 16 because I'm scared.
You know, it's not going my way.
All right, we're coming up shortly.
Robin from Traders, who was one of the two that was voted off.
We are excited to talk to her.
But first, for all of you, and we'll spend a brief amount of time on it,
Thank you. was one of the two that was voted off uh we are excited to talk to her but first for all of you and we'll spend a brief amount of time on it because it has gotten real toxic out there guys we are very much obviously in the minority when it comes to the blake and justin oh i'm getting threats in my dms i'm getting you better stop talking about justin or else type of dms yeah which is crazy colleen hoover had to deactiv her Instagram.
She's being harassed and bullied so much. A friend of show like Liz Plank, Justin's former co-host, one of many people who has separated herself from Justin, also getting harassed and bullied online.
But anyways, yeah, it's getting real toxic out there, which I think we were kind of surprised about just because obviously you guys know, you're aware of our opinion on the case but like if you are on the other side of things it was just like shocking people are literally sending natalie threats which is also interesting because no one's sending me those threats i'm sure they will now i mean i see people like trying to like discredit our you know because like one of the few shows out there like who are not team justin like a lot of of the army of Justin influences are definitely coming for us, which is always funny and fun. But I will say, I did talk to some people over the weekend, and I got a better understanding of where the Team Justin people are landing and why they're landing, and why there may be such vitriol if you are Team Justin.
My friend went to a dinner party and overheard a group of women talking, and they were very much anti-Blake, right? They were making some wild comparisons. I think the general theme of this group of women, the why they thought about Blake, according to my friend, was they think she's lying.
They think she's making this story all up, which I do think that's the one thing all of us can agree on, that if Blake is just falsely accusing this man and making up stories, that would be one of the worst things someone can do, given the damage of what it does to real victims out there. And then I got a phone call from a friend whose opinion I really respect and trust.
It was a work colleague, an acquaintance, haven't heard from him in a while, but do very much trust their opinion. And they were not Team Blake.
I will say the people people I did talk to though, however, acknowledge that most of the information she is getting or forming her opinion around is just watching clips online. She's like, yeah, I didn't listen to your show.
I'm like, that's fine. So it is a bunch of online.
Did she read the complaints in the lawsuits and stuff? Or is she just- Unclear. I think she's reading like a lot of people, you know, because there's a lot of creators covering it and they're posting clips of the complaint.
So I don't think she sat down and read all the complaints, which I have done. But I think her big takeaway is she said she was in Blake's camp at first, and then when this video came out, that kind of changed her opinion in a sense that apparently after watching this video and reading Blake's complaint, it was like, Blake's complaint didn't match the video.
I'm not going to get into that. There's a lot of different opinions on out there right now, but that was just her opinion.
So, yeah, I think she just kind of thinks she's being a Karen. And then like she also referenced how like recently Blake's team like refer to Justin as an abuser.
And she was just like, you know, none of these complaints like she's like, it doesn't say abuser. And I, my response to her was, well, listen, like, and I would say this to anyone who's been on Justin's camp.
I was like, if you got hired at a job for, let's say a three month engagement to consult on a job and the boss of that job is someone that you were going to be working with every day. And the reputation of this person that you were working with every day was like, he was, they were a saint.
And then two weeks into it, all of a sudden, they started giving you the ick here or there. They started making you feel uncomfortable.
Then one day, they called your friend behind your back, elicited some personal information, just a bunch of little things that were just like, I don't want to go to work anymore. I'm uncomfortable.
And then you finally complained. Turns out they were also HR, but you finally complained.
And then you found out, and again, this is just my interpretation of the events. I don't want to get into what people disagree with.
You finally complained. And then you found out that person hired people to bully you and your family and harass your other coworkers about you online and really make your life miserable.
Wouldn't you think that person is an abuser? And they were like, yeah, I guess I kind of. That's just kind of how I see it.
But the reason why my opinion is what it is, is strongly based off of the fact that I interviewed Justin a long time ago, read his books, consumed his content. And I just personally think that if you're going to make your whole platform through the books you write, the podcast you do, the TED talks you do, you are the voice for women to hear their sorrows and their pains and champion them and lecture men.
And literally his message is, hey guys, are you man enough to believe women's stories? That is Justin's literal message. If you're going to do that, ultimately in my mind, you're selling safety.
You are selling, I am safe to a group of vulnerable people. And that vulnerable group is any woman who's ever had a bad experience with a bad actor who's a man.
And so when you are selling that you're safe, you're literally saying, you can put your guard down around me. And it's just a lot easier to protect yourself when you see something coming versus when you don't see it coming.
And I said to my friend, if I went to go see my priest for counsel, and then out of nowhere, my priest started talking to me about porn they like, I would probably feel way more uncomfortable than if my kind of gross friend did it, right? And he put that responsibility on himself. So in my mind, if you're going to do that, you better walk the walk.
And my standards for people like that are so high. And that's why I have such a strong opinion, because I just think it's highly unlikely that he walked the walk that he did.
She's accusing him of sexual harassment, not sexual assault. I think he did a bunch of weird, creepy little things.
And I think she told on him because she wanted to get back to work. And I think he's hired a bunch of people who have created a lot of discourse and influence.
But anyways, that's our opinion. I don't know why it's gotten so toxic, but I think we're trying to back off it a little bit so people can stop threatening my wife.
But we'll see how things play out. I think it's going to be like, Mary made this joke.
It's going to be like that Britney Spears doc. As time passes, people are going to watch it and be like, oh, we should have known.
It'll be like in 10 years. They're going to be like a bunch of Twitter threads being like, Blake Levy was always the victim and you guys just didn't know.
Like you see it with Amber Heard. It's just like such bullshit.
It's like maybe we could just believe a woman. I think Justin and Blake want to go to court.
That's my prediction. I think Justin's New York Times case is going to get thrown out.
And a lot of legal people I've talked to, I think him and his team are going to end up owing the New York Times money. And I wouldn't be shocked if his lawsuit against Blake and Ryan also gets thrown out.
And I think Blake's going to win. And I think when that happens, it'll be interesting to see all the alleged witnesses, according to Blake's complaint, what they say and the other details that we really don't know about.
And I guess we'll see. And then maybe you guys can tell us we were totally wrong and we're not.
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Robin. Hi.
How's it going? Great. How are you? We're doing great.
We're sad that you're not on Traders anymore. I'm sad too.
I had unfinished business. All right.
Well, let's start it there. What was the business that you wanted to do before you got sent home? After that roundtable, I was thinking, I gave it some thought and I instantly was like, Boston Rob is a traitor.
Just based on Drag Queen's response to him, he had such a visceral, angry reaction to him calling him a traitor. I just knew, I was like, okay, this is a different response than Dilling accusing Bob the drag queen of being a traitor.
So I was convinced that Boston Rob was a traitor and I was going to get him the next day. So I was so upset when they murdered me and when I found out they didn't banish Boston Rob that night.
I mean, that is a good take, but I do. And I said this with Wells, I feel like the people you throw out at the round table, I mean, clearly none of them were traitors, but it was like, what? She thinks they are? What? What were you kind of going off of? Well, I'm not the only one that was wrong on people.
No, no, no, no. I know.
I know. I know.
There's a lot of people that are wrong. I'm not coming after you.
You know, I'm not the only one. I was just probably vocal because I'm just like, you know, I'm not here to just like be one of those people who just kind of sits here quiet and tries to sneak by.
I just wanted to, you know, I came there to make a television show and I just wanted to make a television show. And so for me, it wouldn't have felt right if I was sitting there just like being quiet and not saying anything.
And you've got to like, think about what it's like to be in our shoes. Like I've been a viewer.
I love the show as a viewer, but when you already know who those three or four traders are, you're just honing in on their behaviors where we're in a room with 20 other people who we really don't know. And so we're evaluating every little thing that they do.
So we don't have the luxury of just paying attention to a handful of people. We are watching everyone.
We're saying, OK, well, let me see if something weird is happening, if there's a shift in energy. I mean, I even after Alan picked his traders, I thought Sierra was a trader because she went in the kitchen and grabbed a bowl of grapes and started eating them.
And I was like, oh, she's trying to deflect. She's eating.
She's trying to be distracted from the fact that she just got picked to be a trader. So you're really looking at every little thing that people are doing.
With Wells, it was like, I don't think they showed it, but when we had our little conversation in the billiards room, he got up and walked out of the room.
And I was like, oh, okay. Like he's in the hot seat and he wants to just avoid this conversation.
So I was the only one, but I was right on Boston Rob. I wish I had had the opportunity to really convince people that.
It makes a lot of sense why early on, you know, and I think Wells wells was saying this or i think a lot of the faithful were talking about how they wanted this season to be the season where you guys like found out a traitor right away but just hearing robin like hearing how you and the rest of your cast kind of came up with their theories many of which were wrong it speaks to like when you're looking for something like you just kind of over read every little thing and like the traitors usually are the one who are more calm more reserved because they're operating with a little bit more like just confidence so that when like when everyone when all the faithfuls get accused of something i think you you look inherently guilty because you're like i'm not a you know right do you feel like that's why Danielle is kind of no one's really suspecting her is because she has these like crying moments and she. Absolutely.
I mean, Danielle from the jump. And of course, you all don't see everything, but every little thing that Danielle did was filled with some sort of emotion or like, you know, anxiety.
Even at the roundtables, I remember that first roundtable when it was between me and Wells. And you look around as people are making their picks or whatever.
I made my pick early. It was Wells.
Boom. I put my thing down.
And so I'm looking around and Danielle's sitting there. She's just like deliberating.
And she's like, oh, God. She's so stressed.
Like she's just filled with angst over this decision that she had to make and this pick she had to make. And I saw that.
And so for me, I'm like, she's not on my radar because she's totally just stressed over this pick. So it's like, you really, I, you can't, I made this mistake and probably a lot of people make the mistake is you put yourselves in the, in the shoes of a trader.
You say, well, if I was a trader, how would I act? And for me, if I was a trader, I would be really low key. I wouldn't be bringing attention to myself.
I wouldn't be, you know, going from person to person and talking so much like drag queen was doing. And so seeing Danielle be so just emotional and she would be kind of like a little bit all over the place and have a lot to say.
She never was on my radar. So this game, I mean, I think you just never know, like you just have to throw something at the wall and see what sticks at that, that early in the game.
Were you as shocked as we were to see Nikki go home? Because especially after her performance with two times in a row, she refused to save herself and then also crying again. I'm just trying to figure out, before you left, were people floating Nikki's name around? It seemed like it came out of nowhere, and it wasn't even close.
It was, like, unanimous that she got picked.
Yeah.
So before Nikki was put into the caskets, people were floating her name around.
Oh, the caskets.
You know what?
Boston Rob called it.
He said, like, we're going to get a two for one because we'll kill one and people are going to still think probably someone is a traitor in the casket. Boy, that Boston Rob.
Yeah. So that's kind of, and they were aware of that.
So I think it actually, it was Nikki and Jeremy whose names were being floated around as traders. So when they went in the caskets, a lot ofets, a lot of our antennas went off.
We're like, wait a minute. We were just saying that we think Nikki and Jeremy are traitors.
And we had seen Nikki and Jeremy kind of like talking on their own. And so it was just all these little red flags were around Nikki and Jeremy.
But we knew Jeremy wasn't though, because he got killed. Right.
So then the thought was when Jeremy was killed, we're like, well, then Nikki must be a traitor. Like that was like Jeremy was on her or something.
What was your reaction to seeing Danielle turn on Carolyn? It's a mess. Crazy.
You know, I don't know what happens, but I felt like, first of all, I thought Boston Rob messed up by, by doing what he did to drag queen that early in the game. Um, because it creates, we can see it just creates a snowball effect of distrust amongst the traders.
And so now what Danielle did, that was just like insane. She should have known that, and maybe she did it on purpose.
She should have known that Dylan was going to go back to Carolyn and tell her that she was floating her name about. I just, I thought that was not good strategy.
She should have really laid low. It was too early for them to start trying to frame each other way too early.
So I'm curious to see where does this go? This season, the housewives have had a target on their back. Do you think that it's based off of the previous season, like Phaedra being such a good trader that they think that you guys are so unsuspecting? And did you feel that they you feel that they were targeting you in the house yeah for sure i felt like people came in just based and and were trying to like recreate what happened the season before or trying to they were just basing their biases based on what they saw the season before and so they saw phaedra be a traitor they saw Sheree lasts a really long time in the house.
And so I think they just assumed, oh, a housewife has to be a traitor. And then on the flip side, the traitors knew that that would be the thought process of everyone.
And it would be easy to frame the housewives. But what I loved about it was that this season is completely different than last season.
Like, you know, what we're seeing where we haven't seen anything really like it before. And I think that's what now people coming into the game in the future should should keep in mind.
Like, you know, you can't base anything that happens in your current season on what you saw the previous season because they got to keep it fresh. But they definitely had their on the house wives we had targets on our backs and it was kind of unfair though because they would say like oh you guys have have numbers and all this stuff and i'm like yeah but the gamers have numbers survivor has numbers like everyone else has numbers why are you worried about us that's kind of shocking if you're going to target any group for no reason other than the fact that they're a group, target the gamers.
Because they're going to be good. And you have to assume that one of the gamers is a traitor.
You have Survivor, Big Brother, Challenge. I feel like that would be, at the roundtable, my only argument.
If you don't have anyone so early on, it's like, well, it's like well let's go for west because you're a gamer and like it's got to be for some reason maybe yes maybe no but like might as well try to take out a game at the gamers fighting with each other i mean so tony so think about it tony from survivor he we were we banished him because he was a great survivor player and you know it it was just certain things Tony would say around the house that were like, so, so we weren't, you know, they took, we took out Tony, they took out Jeremy. So we started to take out the gamers, but it just, they were just stuck on this house.
I think I, but when I watched them murder me, I was like, okay, that was like anticlimactic. Like, what was the reason? It was just like, okay, let's just pick Robin.
Like, what? Like, can I get a reason for it? So you like basically like wake up and a prudister walks in and been like, you're dead? No, that's not how it works. So we actually all wake up and get dressed as if we're going to breakfast.
And because we do confessionals throughout the day, you can be asked to do a confessional before breakfast. That doesn't necessarily mean you were murdered.
But if they ask you to do a confessional before breakfast, that's when you get murdered. So we are like, we're ready for the day.
I was ready to get Boston Rob. I was like, ready to start.
Did you also think, like Aion, where she thought the Survivor cast were survivors of diseases of some kind or an ailment? God bless her. So, although I didn't, the only Survivor I knew was Boston Rob.
I knew that Survivors was a television show.
I wish there were clips of her being like... He didn't battle Lyme disease.
She's so funny.
I was so mad they murdered her just because she's so funny.
Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking.
I feel like producers could have stepped in there and been like,
no, let's find someone else.
Do you think we would have picked her as a traitor? Diane as a traitor? That would be crazy. I mean, you know what? That would have been comedy.
It would have been really good. Like Dorinda and Diane if they were actual traitors? Yeah.
It would have been comedy. But I was definitely like, can a producer step in and tell them to stop killing housewives? Like, come on.
You need us on the show want good tv keep the housewives on robin give me three housewives from any franchise that you want to see next season i would love to see like erica gerardi okay yeah these are people like we'll never do it because like i don't ever do it can't have our phones and erica girardi nini leaks would be fun
um have our phones and erica girardi nini leaks would be fun um and let's put ramona in there love i think that would be pretty pretty exciting uh any more questions for robin before we let her oh sierra's got do. Going into the roundtables, like, what was your strategy for
how you decided who you were going to vote out?
Like, were you corroborating with specific
people, trying to see how they were going to vote,
or were you doing it just, like, individualistically?
Well, because it was, like, so many
people, it was, you know,
in order, like, I didn't really have an agenda
to push. Like, for me, like, say
for, um, I had Wells
and I had Tony, just on my mind, they were, like were really the only ones. But I wasn't trying to vote somebody out.
So because it was that early, it was like, let's see what the rest of the group has to say. Let's see if they have anyone to put out there.
And since people didn't really have a lot to put out there, it's like, okay, well, let's go for the ones that are in my head. So no, at that point, there was no like strategizing with the roundtables.
It's just so early, so many people. You just want to see what everyone else is thinking.
What color are your eyes? They're the most insane things I've ever seen. Oh, thank you.
They're green. They're so pretty.
Oh, my God. Thank you.
Well, I would love to cover Potomac at some point. So maybe we will start.
Please come back. Well, yeah, I'm like, I'm not on Potomac anymore.
But yeah. Maybe as a friend of? Are you done done? You're forever gone? I mean, you know, I don't know.
I'm sure you have opinions on what's going on and we can get you on here to just talk some shit about your previous castmate. I mean, I have a lot of opinions.
I believe it. Yeah, a lot of opinions.
Alright, Robin. Thank you for your time.
It's been super fun watching you on Traders and hopefully we we'll hear some of those opinions on Potomac. Yeah.
Thank you. It's been a pleasure.
Take care. Bye.
All right. Bye.
But one thing, too, that I wonder where I'm like, I understand like while you're in it and it's so many people. But like for me, just even taking a step back and like, why was Boston Rob offered to come in already? And then we have a second offering of him back in the game.
Like to me me I would already immediately want to have him out because I'm like why are we pushing so hard to have this man on the show yeah true he's shockingly flying under the radar for a man who everyone's like yeah boy he would be really really bad if he was a traitor right you didn't want him in the first round they all know that he's a traitor but for some reason they're too scared to make a move and to get him out yeah he's just too good of a game player that he's a traitor like they all are saying well that's the thing though it's just like he's surviving now it's still fairly early like rob's not gonna win no no up next the exile that i think shocked everyone at least it shocked me i think robin gave it some context about like the i forgot about the casket element but I was still blown away more specifically because Chrishell had a vibe. But anyways, we'll get to hear from the faithful herself.
Nikki Garcia is up next. Look at our Bambi.
Hi guys. Hi Nikki.
Nikki. What the fuck? Why were you were sabotaged? I was, I'm never joining an alliance again.
No, I'm just kidding. I'm all about alliances.
Have you confronted Chrishell yet? We actually went, I'm trying to say this without being, whenever Chrishell came home, so that could be up all the way at the finish end, who knows? But when she was able to have her phone, I was her first phone call. And she honestly is the sweetest thing.
No, we love, we love Chrishell, but like vibes? Energy. Energy? Huh? Yeah.
I know, I was shocked. And I knew at the point, the minute, because that was towards the end of like, just going at it with everyone.
And then I knew that like, my fate was sealed. Like that was towards the end of like just going at it with everyone and then i knew that like my fate was sealed like that was yeah we talked to robin earlier and her theory because obviously she wasn't there when you actually got voted off but she made it seem like the target was very much on your back as a result of the whole coffin situation a few episodes back.
Is that what you attribute it to? Totally. Because for our challenge earlier that day, Rob made it a point to join our car.
So it was like us Bambis. And then he came in, which I thought, I was like, oh, that's interesting.
He really wanted to go with us. and I legit did not think he was a traitor
only because I swear it's in our handbook. Traders aren't allowed to out traders like that's like a rule.
So when the whole situation with him and Bob went down and how like you guys should see that raw footage, it was insane. I'm thinking when everyone had those theories, I'm like, yeah, that's smart because it was super heated, but like, you can't do that.
You can't out a traitor like you're a traitor. Can you give us a little tea of some of the insane things we didn't get to see? I mean, just how they were going at it.
It was so heated and it went for like 15 minutes. And like, I can't even remember the stuff they're saying, but it was just like, I thought they were about to physically fight.
It was pretty nuts. Wow.
I know. It was like really intense and I was in shock and that, and you know, it's funny because I w I got really close with Bob.
And when you start this whole journey, you share a van with some, like with a few people
before you, like we do stuff for three days before even actually starting the day. So it was Gabby, Bob, Tony, and I like the whole time.
So we all four got really, really close. You get close with who's ever in a van.
And Bob to me is one of the funniest people. Like I just, I loved him off camera made made all of us cry, laugh, like just super funny.
And so he played me great. Like I had no idea that he was a traitor.
Like I totally was manipulated and brainwashed and like, no way. So when my reaction, my reaction was real.
I don't know why people thought I should have thrown a chair in the air, flipped the table, made some big dramatic, like, oh my gosh, Bob's a traitor. I was actually
shocked. And I was kind of shocked that that was a target on my back of how I reacted.
It is crazy to see how people come up with their theories, which we've come to learn is almost
based off of nothing. In Chrishell's case, it was based off of.
Her being an empath. Her being an empath.
I fell for it. She was crying.
It was really sad. She really didn't want to do it.
Yeah, but it's just like, Chrishell, if all you got is vibes, just don't vote for your friend. Like, I mean, listen, I get it.
It's a game. It's traitors.
If you got some like hard facts, be, hey, girl, I saw you say you were a traitor. I got to call you out.
Or at least she could have, I feel like, come to you and been like, hey, your reaction in the car set off some red flags with me. Yeah.
Did she ever do that? The first time you got accused by Chrishell was at the round table? Yeah. Whoa.
I was super shocked. I was like, wait, what? All right.
In the moment, though i know like you guys are fine and we all love chris she's super nice but like how pissed were you i actually what kind of was crazy i was more like sad and emotional like like okay so i've been a sports girl my whole life soccer then wrestling all i've ever known is a sisterhood I'm a identical twin like I just so an alliance for me and like being in a girls group like that makes sense for me that's how I roll that's how I work well with so when that happened I I was actually just taken back and it made me emotional which I was like oh my gosh why I so emotional about this? But it actually like hurt me. Like I felt, I guess, betrayed.
And so I was like, I don't want to cry. Like, can we just like, wait a sec? Cause I hate showing emotions that way.
But, um, I was more mad at the others for accusing my personality that fired me up. Like when Wes and I went at it the night before, the week before, I actually, my blood was boiling, like as if I was in a bar fight in college.
Like I just hadn't had that feeling in so long. And I think when people were coming at me expecting me to be a WWE wrestler and like be this big heel from 2017, I'm like, what? I'm like, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard.
And then the night after then to get attacked, like you're just too cool and calm. And I was like, what? Like that's a pissed me off.
I, in my head after that argument, I was like, I think I just want to go home. And then when Chrishell spoke up, I was like, I might even argue anymore.
I'm so done and over this night to defending myself for stupid shit. and I was like I think I just want to go home and then when Chrishell spoke up I was like I might even argue anymore I'm so done and over this night two defending myself for stupid shit and I was like done yeah I can imagine because obviously you know a lot of people get casted on the show like have a pretty long history of being on reality tv or or in your case you know you know wwe and they come with a history they come with some kind.
And you're right. Like 2017, it must be super annoying to have like people like tell you about you from something they saw on TV from eight years ago.
Oh yeah. I mean, big time, like Tom the whole time had to like remind all of us, like he wouldn't let them make him be a traitor because of his past.
And it was like, dude, that has, what are you even talking about? It's just, I guess I went in there like just playing the game of whatever people are going to play the game with, you know, I didn't think about people's characters or who they were years ago. So it's super annoying, especially because when your fictional character is getting brought up.
like, it's not even like, oh, so you were like this on Total Divas and Total Bellas. It was straight up like when you were heel with a written script, like how you would scream at people, this is how she must be.
And she's hiding it. You know, did you practice or was your speech kind of off the cuff? I feel like it was so good.
It hit the nail. I mean, just being like, maybe I'll shouldn't come after people's personality, you know, if you don't know them.
And then you're like, I'm ready to get home to my kid. Yeah.
Thank you. No, that was like just off the cusp because what was crazy about that day? I had no idea.
Everyone was talking behind my back. Like I had no idea.
No one came to you? It was already a struggle for me because that was as you girls would know, it was day two of my period and my period was insanely bad. During the game, you can't even see the producer to my left.
Maybe that's what Chrishell picked up on. A little PMS.
I sit through that. Bri goes, so maybe your energy was up.
I go, well, yeah, but they knew. I played in bed that day.
Like I was cramping hard and I did miss my son, but like, you know, it was like whatever. And Rob like was just there all the time.
And I was like, dude, I can't. This is just a lot today.
This should have been an off day. But, um, so maybe that was the energy.
Maybe that's what it was. Understandable.
I was on my period. Yeah.
But it was literally right before we're going in. Well, before they make us be quiet, before we go in is when I, someone told me, I can't remember who, but it was like, they're coming after you in this round table.
And I was like, wait, why? Didn't we just end this the past week, which was actually the night before? And so I was fully blindsided, had no time to prep, had no time to change people's minds before. So the out was just what I felt what i'm curious because wells had mentioned that some
of the i don't know if they're all like an hour hour and a half but they're clearly much longer than we get to see was the whole time spent at the round table table like people like telling you why you're a traitor or was there anyone else like brought up in that conversation that we didn't get to see that i think that night was just me at least you got dylan he was he was your hero even though it didn't save you or anything but like he seems to be playing this really well because like for him to be right about you like everyone else was voting against you and he wanted to take a stand to say, like, the group isn't thinking right.
I really don't think you and Sierra aren't traitors.
He ended up being right about that.
And it's just like, I really think that gives very faithful vibes.
Because I think when you see, like, what's clear at traitors, right?
Like, it's to your advantage to go with the group, right? If someone's name is getting thrown out there, you might as well vote them off because at least it's not you. And Dylan had the balls to say, you know what? I'm not going to vote for Nikki or Sierra because I just don't think it's them.
And it's like he wanted to speak to the faithfuls out there. And I think every time he does something like that and he
gets it right, it makes him look more faithful. And I think it protects him against the traitors because if he goes out, then it's almost like, oh, it puts a scent on the traitors.
I don't know. How do you see Dylan doing as well as I think he is? No, totally.
Dylan was such a stud the whole time. And like, I connected really well with him off the bat.
Super cool guy, super smart. And he plays the game really well.
And I think that's what bothered him because like, obviously you don't get to see everything. So I was really on to Danielle and just watching other seasons because I was actually a fan of the show before the offer came in.
When you're so convinced someone's a traitor, it's like you almost don't want to point them out yet till you get other people on board because they're just going to murder you that night. So like what happened to Jeremy our season? So Dylan and I would have really great conversations.
And I think, I mean, I feel like he reminds me of Peter from last season, but he's really just really great. And he has balls, too, which I like.
Like he he's just he's really great at this game. And I see this season watching it now.
Now I get why it felt like chaotic when we were there, because I feel like the traders are so messy. Usually traders go in and they're all like they have a plan.
Right now. I know I was so chaotic before we'd go into those roundtables.
Like you would literally be like, okay, I have my person I'm going to put. And then literally 10 minutes before everyone's running around saying this or that.
And you're like, wait, what? And then you get in your head. And I feel like it's kind of shown this season and why everyone votes for the same person.
Cause they are like, have their person before they go in and then they get rocked a bit so then everyone follows each other except Dylan. Dylan sticks to what he wants but like everyone else that's why when you see I feel like every round table it's like okay everyone's voting for who like where are we going you know what I mean? Yeah no definitely I definitely know what you mean and it seems like that's definitely what's, what's going on.
Are there any like people were overlooking that you think are playing the game really well, or you feel like will continue to pop as the season moves along? Yeah. I think Gabby, um, she just needs to start speaking up, but I think Gabby is doing a great job.
Like she, it's like, she just needs to trust her gut and her instincts because it's there for her. And so I think she'll start to shine.
I'm curious to see how she's next week with me being gone because we were so buddy, buddy, even more so than Grishel. Like Gabby and I were together all the time.
Like we couldn't wait to get our glass of wine at the end of the night. Cause we only get one.
And like, we just whole time but you only got one glass of wine a day yeah and there was like some nights where it was just too late and gabby and i were like wait no but like we you all promised lots of wine so please after our day-to-day like not even two no the and those days are like 12 hours sometimes longer. When you get stuck in a coffin, it's insane.
Yeah. How long were you in that coffin for? It had to be almost two hours.
Oh my God. So we- Like with no break? No like, hey, I feel a little claustrophobic.
Crazy. So you have to wait for everyone to go, like leave.
Then you have to wait for then the traitors to make the decision then the traitors to come kill and then for the traitors to leave till we were allowed out our coffin and then they let sierra and i out and germy was still in there and i was so upset about it because well germy and i clicked and he like little did we know we you're talking too much front of bob who was a traitor but yeah so he had to be there for a really long time it was a rough rough night what if you had to pee couldn't because he didn't see anyone like and then not only that then you go to green screens after so you're like you're hitting up your green screens at like 1 a.m like just it was rough the whole thing was rough and i'm so not a gamer i like i just i i loved the experience but i was like i came home and i told brie and i go yeah i'm not a gamer at all it's not fit for me or my personality do you think uh boss and rob's going home soon do you think they're on to? I think he's becoming too obvious. Honestly, I feel like all the traitors are so obvious.
I wish I have it in my book. Every night I would write down Carolyn and Danielle.
I'm so mad at myself for not just on my out when I was leaving. I want to be like, oh, and everyone look at these two because it's so obvious.
I caught talking all the time by themselves like in a way that didn't seem like when you would walk in on like gabby chris shell like just laughing and like having fun like there seemed like they were scheming sure and now i think rob i think after the bob thing people were a little like hmm and then I feel like now he's just getting a little too obvious.
And there's definitely no unity with the traitors at all.
I mean, at all.
It's crazy.
I think it's what's made it so confusing for the faithfuls because usually the traitors,
they're a group.
They're their own alliance.
What'll be interesting, I don't know if they're going to do it, but like last season they brought in a housewife who became a trader. And then they had an opportunity to recruit a trader.
I'm really curious, like who's going to be recruited, whether they say yes or not. Is this, you know, will they be bringing in more people? They got to do some of the traders.
Cause this, yeah, they're, it group of traders i mean like boston rob's very good but he's had to almost do too much and like you said it's kind of shined too much of a light on themselves and the other two are just but even piggybacking off of that where i'm like how do you think that danielle is sliding under the radar so much because i feel like she was so obvious during that last uh challenge Yeah, I don't know because this is what's weird. Everyone was talking about it.
Like, even from the day of us being on the boats, like people were like, like, I just remember saying like those, that crime didn't seem real, but then a lot of people were hooked that Dorinda was a traitor. So I think it made people forget.
And then Dorinda got murdered, but I would hear people talk about Danielle like almost every day. And for some reason, so maybe, I don't know if this makes them great.
It would get so chaotic the 10 minutes before that people would be going in fighting like Sierra and I just, it just got pinned on us. So then we'd argue.
Um, and everyone kept like forgetting about her. Like even after when she gave her shield up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's more people being like,
oh my gosh, Danielle.
And then I'm like,
but how has no one brought her up?
Like-
I don't think she's been named once at the round table.
No.
Like if she has, it's been like one person.
Yeah, it makes me all look like idiots.
The only thing that makes sense,
and you said this, Nikki, like for if um if dylan thought danielle was a traitor i don't think he actually even thinks gabby's a traitor you know i think he said gabby is like a throwaway because he didn't want to say nikki and sierra but if he were to say danielle like if dylan suspected danielle he's not going to say danielle just to like make a point because then all of a sudden there's a target on his back it's like nikki said it's like if you're going to go after someone you really think is a traitor you have to have the numbers you know they keep saying that like if you're going to go after someone this big you're really going to take them down because like otherwise you're kind of fucked so yeah maybe they kind of suspect and they're just kind of you know she was just so obvious like literally did not grab her photo once for the shield and it's just like she was shaking after yeah you're not afraid to get murdered and then she's like oh shit honestly and like i love how dolores was like ew this is getting like like she was like don't save me i love the housewives um i was so sad when they kept getting murdered because i'm like no you guys i'm getting in like front row entertainment please yes no it's like and again it's not meant like i just don't think i mean maybe is it maybe because phaedra was and obviously phaedra was like an assassin like phaedra was he was a dirty traitor she was in the best possible way. But yeah, I don't know.
Like, again, Ion? What? Really?
Dorinda? was like an assassin like phaedra was he was a dirty traitor she was in the best possible way but yeah i don't know like again ion what really dorinda come on like we're not thinking with our heads here no like it didn't make any sense i just feel like maybe this since the u.s version is you know celebrity tv personalities whatever season maybe it does need to be a bit more produced i feel bad saying that because they don't produce at all they don't have any interference which is really cool but then it's like there's some characters you want to stick around so i don't know i mean that would ruin the game but nikki always great chatting with you so sorry you got voted off we think you got the shaft, but glad you got to get back to your beautiful baby and rooting for you. And anything you want to plug? Well, goodness.
I mean, I have my show, the Nikki and Brie show that's on series XM. And I think that's it.
Do you think Brie will do it? Okay. So she was supposed to do season two and she said, because she was like if they bury me alive i don't think so and i'm like girl you out but after like seeing the few round tables even though brie would eat people alive like see i'm always the calm and cool one but when you like go at it with brie brie knows how to run her mouth like she's amazing at it.
She'll jump from the top rope. No, Brie.
So even the Bella army has totally been going crazy on social and saying Brie should have tagged in and took care of shit. She would have.
But I'm like, Brie, you should really do it next season. But she's like, no.
She feels like the gaming stuff isn't for her. When she heard my story, she's like, yeah, I just don't think so.
I think she'd be good. I think she'd be good.
Nikki, thank you for taking the time. Yeah, definitely.
All right. Bye-bye.
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All right, well well that does it for our traders uh conversation it's really good this show i'm enjoying it it gets better and better like you know last last season we really loved it but it's really we really you know look forward to it some of the shows we cover it's more heavy lifting than others you know like roni which I know some of you guys watched. Did it live up to everyone's hype?
All I got to say is we rebooted Roni
to just have another dark ending test season.
Like it was just a very dark, heavy episode
of stuff you think nobody would cross the line to do.
It's just upsetting.
I've seen clips
and it's something to do with Uba and Brynn
and, you know, what happens?
Do you want to, Sierra, do you want to?
I can go at it and then Sierra can fill in the dots if you want to absolutely so basically Uba kind of just made like a one-off conversation and of the Sprinter van being like well maybe Brynn did sleep with someone to get her job there's tension at a dinner right and Brynn's kind of poking at Uba and they're snapping back kind of but just like not real conflict. As they're walking out to the Sprinter van
and they get in,
things are getting a little bit heightened
and then that's when Uba is like-
Makes that comment.
But then Brynn basically was like saying,
you told me to put a dick in my mouth.
You told me to put a dick in my mouth.
So she keeps repeating that
and Uba's like, I never said that.
Like, I'm sorry, but I never said that.
Eventually the women start being like,
Uba, don't-
It is a common like shit talking phrase,
as people say. Yeah, no? No, I mean, she still never said it like suck a dick maybe yeah yeah i mean uba still never said it and then the women of the group started saying like stop like calling her a whore and like slut shaming her then basically bryn brings half the group aside and alleges that uba knew that bryn was assaulted and that she's then still decided to slut shamehammer.
Yeah. Yes.
She's using very strong words. She's not filtered.
She's saying what happened. And now these women are like, why would Uba do this? Like, why would she do this? But they're not telling Uba.
They stopped rolling. And you've got like all the women super emotional now and like Jenna Lyons is crying, just being like, be nice to Brynn because like this is the first time that some of these housewives are hearing about this assault.
Like shit got real and yeah. They're trying to protect Brynn.
Meanwhile, Erin is like guys why are we crying? What happened? And the women are like that's not our story to tell. Like this is something very serious.
Basically they stop rolling that night. They're starting to take mics off.
Jaisal goes into Uba's room and she's like hey I just want to like check in with you. Brynn told us that she told you you were assaulted.
Why would you be, like, saying these things to her? Uba knows nothing about this. So she basically is, like, starts, like, freaking out.
She's crying in the corner. She's, like, guttural.
First, she's crying. She's, like, curled up in the corner.
Like, why would she say this about me? Like, why would I? I don't remember this happening. Like, I would have never said this if I knew this.
Then she turns into going out there and she's like talking to producers and like the group being like you guys let her say this on camera like she's starting this thing that did not happen I swear this did not happen she goes into a room with Jenna and Raquel and she's like beside herself but we don't see it the door is closed and Raquel's retelling it being like no like Uba's and Jenna's face being like you believe her you believe that I would do something like this and that she's you know from her faith and everything she was like may Allah strike me down and kill my firstborn if I did this I did not do this she's crying she said this is between God me and Brennan she's like I did not do it well she hasn't had it yet but my whole thing is that it's like she leaves the room and whatnot she's upset and screaming continue. Continue.
So basically she's out there. She's asking the woman.
She's also asking Brynn, like, why would you say this? Producers, why would you let her say this on camera? All the women are like, we don't know what's going on. Everybody's screaming.
We don't want to invalidate Brynn. But at the same time, like, Uba looks like she's like so caught off guard.
Producers are involved. I've seen those clips of Uba just losing her mind.
Uba leaves. She goes to a hotel with Jessel.
And basically, I mean, this is me kind of shortening it a little bit, but Brynn comes into the room later that night after multiple other conversations. And she's like, come to think of it, maybe Uba didn't clock that I told her that I was assaulted.
She's like, so maybe that did not happen. So then instantly all of the women are like, I don't want to invalidate you, but like, so you're telling me that you might be lying in this moment yeah but to be clear not lying about the assault the assault but lying about and like the whole thing was about the
fact of all these women getting up against uba and the fact that like you would say something
knowing this piece of information and then for bryn to wait till after cameras are down everything
and be like whoops maybe she didn't clock it because i was hysterical when i was having this
conversation with her but very much laid down the fact that like uba was the only person that
Thank you. So they're looking at Uba differently.
And then after Bryn confesses that like there might be a shot that Uba didn't clock it. Now they're looking at Bryn differently because they're like, how could you let this play out and not say anything and be so definitive that Uba knew so uh Brynn leaves early and it was also kind of bizarre because the next morning Brynn's completely fine about it and she's sitting like nothing happened she texted producers asking to leave the next day and then she's sitting with producers the next morning being like yeah you know I'm just kind of like uh I move on like I could we could go horseback riding today yeah which could be a form of coping jenna said that so that makes sense and then production just shut it down they were like no everybody's going home after this is there a reunion yes there is but in between that basically the women they brought uba back and they're like we believe you by the way like we believe you didn't know that being said we think bryn's going through a lot they shoot the title cards like four days later.
Well, before that, even then, something about Uba's character, like,
yes, she might, English is her second
language, so when she gets frustrated, it's for multiple
reasons, but, like, just showing to Uba's
integrity, like, she still asked after the fact.
She was like, I just want to make sure, like, is Brynn okay?
So she was still, even after everything,
just wanted to make sure that Brynn was okay
after everything. And did Brynn acknowledge
or apologize? Because, like, you know, again, whatever Brynn went through, obviously some heavy shit. Brynn did a Rolling Stone.
And before the Rolling Stones, she... She didn't apologize to Ubo? No.
No, the opposite of what she did was they shot title cards, like, four days later where they hold the apples up, and nobody really, like, addressed it, and, like, Ubo wasn't't talking to her and Brynn, the way of her,
Brynn's response was,
why does nobody not care about me?
Like, why is nobody checking in on me
and asking me about that night
after she was like, we're good.
So it's a lot of back and forth.
And then to Mary's point,
she did a Rolling Stones article
that released when the finale dropped
that was like answering the questions.
PR for Brynn.
Yeah.
Kind of like doubling down,
but still not taking accountability,
but claiming that she's good with four of the housewives and that she still has work to do with Sai, Uba, and Jaisal, I believe. But it's like Aaron commented on a reposting of this being like saying that we're sisters is a reach.
Like I was hoping that Brynn would take accountability. She has a lot of childhood trauma that she needs to work through.
But like pretty much saying the fact that you're not taking accountability, like do not include me into your shit until you take accountability for it.
And then I also think some context around Bryn spinning things throughout the entire season is that Bryn's previous employment was doing PR for companies such as Shell Oil, Johnson & Johnson, Unilever and most um popularly quote working on the bp deep water horizon gulf oil spill okay she operates in a dark she operates in a dark world yeah well then another caveat is that so when they did the first season of this reboot cast there was another housewife i was filming and she was like they've done photos they were teasing her to be one of them and then she dropped out during filming and nobody ever knew like what happened. They were just like, she just pulled herself from being part of the cast.
She spoke out when this finale aired and she was like, Bryn's the reason I didn't do it because Bryn starts rumors that harm people's reputations intentionally. And it's like complicated because obviously Bryn has a lot of trauma and had an awful thing happen to her.
But then it's like,
it's just this dark and messy and upsetting situation for a rony season that,
and the beginning was just boring
and then finally gets dramatic and it's in like-
Not even dramatic, toxic.
Toxic and awful.
In the darkest way.
I think I might watch Reading in Part 1 though.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
Because there's stuff
being brought up.
I guess Jaisal
confronts Brynn
about a conversation
where Brynn
implies that
Jaisal is in love
with somebody else
that's not her husband
and it was said on camera.
Jenna tells Brynn
to stop spinning
and to just stop talking.
Like, it's
going to be eventful.
Jenna's wearing a luxury bathrobe to the reunion. You know who's never going to do Housewives? Heidi Montag.
Yeah. According to her husband, Spencer, which I don't blame her because what I've learned covering Housewives, to operate in that world, you have to be okay with people just saying the craziest fucking rumors about you and your family.
You have to think it's normal that people you're working with have personal investigators and teams and forensic scientists at their beck and call. That's something you might have done 10 years ago that you didn't think would ever come up might.
Relationships with your jewelers. Oh, my God.
We'll get into that in a second. But we do have Heidi and Spencer finally on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap.
We'll get to talk to them about that comment about housewives and all the crazy things going on in their world. Obviously, for those of you who don't know, and I don't know who wouldn't, but sadly, their house is one of the many houses that burned down during the tragic fires.
Obviously, they have been responding in the best possible way that they can. Heidi is now an international rock pop star, as she always has been, but she's finally getting the recognition that she deserves.
And we'll be able to talk to that couple as they come together during the tragedy and create some beautiful music. That's Thursday.
Wrapping up headlines real fast, reality TV. So James Kennedy is not facing charges now.
We know this. Allie Luber did post finally in response to the arrest.
Allie's response in an Instagram story. She writes, thank you for all your support and kindness.
I'm happy that prosecutors decided not to file against James as I never desired criminal charges. We had an argument outside of his house related to him drinking again.
However, I was not physically hurt. I was shocked by the headlines and disheartened by how the event was portrayed.
We are no longer together, but I'll always support James and wish him the best with his sobriety and healing. Thank you for understanding.
If anyone asking, this hasn't changed my opinion about Ike Kennedy not one bit. My heart goes out to Allie.
I hope she's okay. I hope she is living her best life.
I think it's interesting in her statement that she pointed out that she wasn't hurt and she made with no mention of the actual allegation that she was picked up and thrown against the room. She really just referenced that she didn't sustain any injuries from said alleged incident.
But regardless of what happened there, ever since that arrest of James Kennedy, obviously we had talked about there had been kind of, you know, stories here and little stories there that a lot of us didn't know much about unless maybe you were like you know part of that og world for a long time but since then we have looked into it we've had many conversations with our friend of show kristin doughty and i will say i absolutely believe kristin she's been very vocal about her actions with james and so regardless of whatever happened with ally it hasn't been changed my opinion about james and the history has with violence towards women. So I hope he gets sober.
But again, I have yet to hear anything from James's mouth
about the real problem, which is why he has a history of being physical and violent with women.
Yeah. Salt Lake City reunion.
All right. Salt Lake City, part one.
From benchwarming bitch to first chair.
First of all...
Yes, Angie.
Lisa's not a friend at all to anyone. I don't know how anyone calls Lisa a friend.
This season, Heather talks about how she's really infesting in this friendship with Lisa. Lisa is a friend to nobody.
Lisa might be a cool hang. She might hook you up.
She might do you a favor if it benefits her in the long run. But at the end of the day, being a a friend is to at times, at some point in the relationship to think outside of your own needs, to be selfless and just be there for someone who needs a friend.
I've literally never seen that from Lisa Barlow ever. Like- It was crazy that she couldn't at all give any like, I fucked up, I'm sorry with the whole Bronwyn, Gwen mentioning the miscarriage on the after show it was like no part of her could see and then meredith being like that's why she's crying is because she said it's like no i think she's crying because like no one is agreeing with her you know it's like she's crying because she doesn't know what to say and she doesn't have one of her classic clapbacks to like get her out of the trouble that she's in.
But like, yeah, what a terribly fucked up thing to insert yourself in. It was so wild too, because it's like I've never watched somebody be able to find a way to turn themselves into the victim the entire time where it was just like, well, how do you think I feel? Or I know them to be this.
And it's like, again, you can have that experience, but you're not acknowledging who you claim to have been friends with. You're not acknowledging your friend's experience as to how you made her feel.
And instead, it's always a counterback with, yeah, but I. And how do you think me being put in this position is? And it's just like you inserted yourself into that position.
And then the whole conversation about a jeweler, we had a front row seat because we watched this episode with Natalie's mom. for those of you who don't know nally's mom had an illustrious career working at a jewelry company and being a very successful uh sales person at a jewelry store i always knew she was a gem and uh we're watching it nally's mom's in the background she's like that's the most unprofessional jeweler that she's like that's the cardinal rule you do not talk about your clients to other people that's like the biggest no-no according to her and then like lisa's out there and like i don't know was it whitney or and all the other housewives were like lisa's claiming to like not really know this person not really have a have a conversation my mom took this rule so far i remember we'd be in the grocery store and she would see like one of her clients.
Truly. She'd see one of her clients and she would like not say anything because it's like, oh, what if the woman they're with is their wife and they don't know that they just bought a necklace or ring.
It's like they don't know that they're shopping in drawers. Like you cannot approach anyone that you know because you don't know what's going on in their personal.
You it was like she took it so serious so the fact that like this in quotes jeweler was texting lisa being like she didn't even buy that she's like i mean i wish andy would have read some of those messages the fact that he was like yeah it's not very good i will say it also kind of doesn't make sense like i think lisa and emma because brongman also went on watch what happens live and like talked about it but like the details she was saying didn't also add up to the reunion where like she basically said that her friend or the jeweler was reached out to by a reporter so that we can assume that might be lisa that might not be lisa and basically she said we bought the necklace but then given this economic environment or climate we decided not to go forward with the necklace so we got like a a smaller one made, but then it became like, we were having the smaller one made, but then like we found out about her talking to Lisa. So then we decided not to buy it.
But then in the reunion, she's like, but we did buy it. So it's kind of like, what's the truth with the necklace to begin with? Rowan's story definitely does not make sense.
Yeah. I'll give you that for sure.
But whatever. I don't like- At the end of the day- She bought it.
She didn't buy it. I don't it I don't know who gives a fuck maybe if the worst thing Todd and Robin were doing were flexing in front of her friends then yeah I don't know a little douchey sure if that's what happened but like again this is about Lisa again like just flat out lying and making up stories and like just leveraging people and going out of her way to spy on people, get tea, get dirt.
Which she claims she never does. Yeah, which she claims she never does.
She doesn't say blackmails people. And this is all to protect her image and her brand.
Well, never. Even when it's talking about falsely making accusations about fake miscarriages, she still can't humble herself to apologize.
Even when it's talking about like falsely, you know, making accusations about fake miscarriages. She still can't humble herself to apologize.
Even when she brought up the daughter thing and whatnot, where she was just like, even if you hate me, if you don't, if you're not friends with me, can you at least apologize for doing that to my daughter? And she's like, well, that's a lie. And it's just like, like she is just so unable to like remove herself from her own point of view in any sort of way.
I'm just more shocked why Meredith and Heather ride for Lisa so hard. I don't like what am I missing? I like to think she's a good friend until like you come in her way.
That's not being a good friend though. I like to think that Meredith rides less for Lisa and Lisa rides for Meredith.
And that's why Meredith keeps Lisa around. Maybe.
Well,'t i don't know heather's reason is heather's reason only because like was it was it bronwyn who brought up like going to high school with heather or heather was kind of always obsessed with angie heather was like always obsessed with being like friends with the popular girls well yeah and i mean at least she's the popular heather also went to college with lisa byu lisa said was the good time girl. That was like a whole thing too.
So I mean,
I think Lisa's the popular girl and she's a socialite.
So I think people want to surround themselves with her surrounding.
Yeah.
But I will say Todd did,
and I kind of wish Todd didn't reference the like blowjobs rumor,
like rumors surrounding Lisa too,
where he was like,
she uses you for the jazz suite.
So she doesn't have to work for herself.
And I'm like,
yeah,
that was probably not great.
Wish we didn't go there,
but yeah. But then he also said that what Lisa did on the after show was quote libelous so that's i mean he just said that so it's definitely a strong word to use and bronwyn also said this is really dastardly of her which is an incredible word to use what does that mean like dastardly it's just like vile vile wicked and cruel dastard i don't know it's a very Bronwyn word to use and What does that mean? Like dastardly.
It's just like vile. Vile.
Wicked and cruel. Dastard.
I don't know. It's a very Bronwyn word to use and I enjoyed it.
Meredith did call Angie the backup dancer in the WAP video. The most offensive thing that you can call Angie, I guess.
I liked you better when you were a backup dancer with Monica and Jen Shah's WAP video. And then Angie goes, I was a main character in the video.
I wasn't the't the dancer but i was a main character i am nobody's backup dancer i mean this was obviously a stupid argument but like angie acknowledged it was stupid too by the way yeah like after the fact and angie's not upset about actually being called a backup dancer i think she's saying that there's more context to it as if like meredith is calling her a follower yeah like saying you're the backup dancer like that's what she thinks i think i was team angie there too because it while stupid you're right My understanding is Meredith is calling her a follower. Yeah.
Like saying you're the backup dancer. Like that's what she thinks.
I think I was team Angie there too because while stupid, you're right. My understanding is Meredith is using it as a dig.
A hundred percent. And saying you're less than because you did this.
Yes. And even after Angie's like, no, I'm not.
Meredith was like, well, you were. You were a backup dancer.
Were you not in the background of the video? It's like, well, yes. Meredith did claim that she was trying to get on the show every single season on our podcast too.
And then Angie was on, I did hear an interview with Angie where she had said that she auditioned originally for the show, but didn't fully realize that. She thought it was more of like a business opportunity.
So she kind of like went in as businesswoman Angie versus housewife Angie.
And so she didn't get it the first time.
And that's why she said she didn't get it the first time.
And it went to somebody else.
Are we faulting her for trying?
Not at all. No.
Oh, I love Angie.
I think it just is interesting context
in the iconic feud that is Angie and Meredith.
And to be fair, she earned her snowflake
getting a flute of champagne dumped over her head
by Jen Shaw.
That's why I'm like...
San Diego.
She's also my mom's favorite.
So...
I think it's fucked up that Brittany isn't just part of the reunion period. Well, she's a friend.
I don't give a fuck. She carried the season.
Nick, she can't sit on the couch, though, because Andy's gonna ask five questions. She's gonna be like, what about me? What about my turn? And I want to hear it every time.
Also, logistically speaking, friends don't sit on the whole time, I don't think. No, they don't.
I know they don't. But again, like...
I think... Do you think she'll be made Housewife next season? I mean, you said everyone's coming back.
As of now, we know that she's a friend still. And she also was...
She's hired by the realty company that sold on SLC. So who knows if she's doing like a two-season...
I mean, I am in no way a historian of Bravo. But like how many Friends of shows carried the storyline as much as Britney did? I know Alexis Bellino recently, but that's a very specific like lawsuit case.
She didn't care. She was brought on as a friend because of the lawsuit where they're like, yeah, Britney, like, let's see what she's capable of.
And she delivered. delivered.
So in shock when she was a friend delivered, I was going to say, sometimes it takes, it takes a couple of seasons though.
Cause they want to make sure like lightning will hit twice.
Like,
you know what I mean?
Maybe you put all your best foot forward and then you next season, you're boring. If there's any housewife I would bet on, it's Brittany, because I can tell you like he's going to strike a million times because she's so lack of self-awareness.
And it's like it's in her bones who she is. She's a performer.
To her point, I think she needs to be be a full time so we know her full character so she doesn't look so like coming out of the woodworks with what about me because clearly she has like family issues drama like trauma the only problem with Britney being full time is that would be more Jared they are official now so why more Jared I don't no I'm hearing the preview of what texted Bronwyn, him saying that he's bigger than any man she's ever been with. Like, what a fucking fat piece of shit.
You know, we obviously, I've been critical of Lisa Barlow's character, but her character on TV is must-see TV. Oh, she's incredible.
I don't want Lisa Barlow to leave Housewives. You know, I just.
I guess I'm more so just like, I don't need the man, you know? If you're gonna have a toxic person, I don't need Jared's nasty comments towards women, you know? It's like, I could do without. And stay out of Mary Cosby's DMs.
Yeah. But we don't need, I mean, like, Jared, I don't know, like, he can have as much of a role as any of the husbands, which is not that much.
Listen, I say, if you're spicing up the storyline, by all means. He doesn't come to
reunion, right? I don't think so. I would assume that they weren't
official by then. The post came out
after they shot, so.
Do we feel like we have clarity now with
the Whitney Alibaba
of it all? I feel like she gave, she just got
scammed. She made me see her more guilty
because I was like, I thought they stole your pictures.
Now you're saying you did use the stock footage for a little
bit? My understanding of this world is like what Whitney was accused of is something that they all do. Also, I am very glad that Andy was like, Lisa, you realize that like this one blogger's 10,000 followers versus our platform, like he finally called her out for being like, just because it's on one Instagram post and you bring it doesn't equate to it being this rumor that everyone knows about and that you need to bring to national television.
Lisa will call her people, she'll go the distance, she'll create a fake account, tweet something and go, oh look, this rumor's public, I'm gonna talk about it. Do you think Lisa DMs Meredith? That's the power dynamic there? Because Meredith is a queen of DMs, Lisa's the one of just knowing things that are happening.
People just tell me things, I don't ask. I wouldn't put it past them.
Should we get on to Southern Charm? I was triggered by this episode. Of Southern Charm? In defense of Taylor? I'm actually kind of getting into it.
Okay. Because I hate JT so much.
Right. JT's crazy.
I don't. I like him him jt was the fucking loser fucking guy in high school who became friends with all the girls and just talk shit about all the guys who are actually dating the girls and make up rumors and like nothing and it was just he doesn't it's he's not being taylor's friend he's fucking gossiping and listen you know if like there's an affair going on behind someone's back and it's still going on and you talk to your friend like hey you need to stop doing they don't do it like you might be forced to have a tough conversation with a friend to let them know hey some shit's going down yada yada yada but like this story is in the fucking past like no one's really a part of it he brings it up out of nowhere and like it's also these vague accusations about a guy where and and then he throws sally under the fucking bus and make it seem like she's like some adulterer which like my understanding of the story is like it sounds like maybe he had a girlfriend they made up they quickly broke up afterwards i'm not condoning i'm not saying it's okay like he made an accusation Of like some ongoing affair Yeah and JT was not there
And also don't forget
The fact that last season
JT was trying to get
With Taylor
So it's like
You telling this stuff
About the boyfriend
Isn't give altruism
It's giving
Well if you're single again
Just know I'm the shoulder
To cry on
You're right
I hate JT now
He's a smarty
Fucking troublemaker
And I didn't appreciate
Shep's two cents Of being like Gaston's fucking ugly why is anyone even trying to be like he's it's like okay you clearly are still in love with taylor and you're just trying to like shoot down i mean sure but at least was it a douchey move by shep sure but i at least understand the motives and it's just like you know it's his ex-girlfriend he could be a little petty fine but like jt no like you're just no one asked you you're not involved like you're just fucking with this girl's like mental health what you're no you're fucking with two women's mental health and you're throwing a guy under the bus which is like i don't know maybe he did some shit this wasn't like again not condoning if he made out with sally when he shouldn't have made out with it but i don't know. Maybe he's done some work.
I don't know. The accusations J.T.
is throwing around about Taylor's boyfriend, all the guys on the show have done some version of this kind of fuckboy. He's describing fuckboy behavior.
And most fuckboys grow out of this behavior and settle down and start acting like a person who actually wants to settle down. And for all we know, that's Taylor's boyfriend.
And I couldn't love Craig more because Craig was literally just like, you're doing it again. This is none of your business.
Why are you making this the topic of a conversation? And why do you feel the right to be angry about it? It didn't happen to you. Yeah.
I really like Craig. I really love his back, his setup props, Craig, your setup situation, props, love.
I love that he's just like in family man mode. It really, you know, listen, Paige and him didn't work out.
It sounds like, you know, they just weren't, they weren't meant to be. They wanted, clearly they wanted different things.
I mean, Paige is all about independence, not wanting to settle down. She's grinding.
She's in career mode. She's a New Yorker.
Through and through. She's a New Yorker.
Like the more you hear them both talk about what they want, the more it makes sense that they ended their relationship. But I hope Craig finds his lady.
He seems like he wants to be a good husband. Sally saying she sucked dick for a little bit.
A little bit. That was a great line.
Awesome line, Sally. That was pretty awesome.
Not long. And everybody's like, what does that mean? First of all, like, what do you mean? What does that mean? Sucked it a little bit.
does that mean she sucked a little dick oh and then wrapped it up was everyone like doing marathon blowjobs or like everyone's like confused by she sucked dick for a little bit I don't know well in my head it's like well you probably did more than that so you're just downplaying it by making it like just a little bit nah she was like it was probably in the back of an alley she's like I don't know she's like licked it up licked it up a little bit she's like you know what let's just fuck she said just the tip she did say like in the car or like by the car right it was something I might have misheard the details but but yeah maybe they were in an environment where like honestly foreplay was just like not the time and she was like what am I doing down here let's just she said only for a little bit yeah I'm wasting time down here why is everyone so confused by that and then the Vanita romance with JT I's so orchestrated and I love Vanita We also say your party sucks If not only multiple people Are leaving in a huff But the actual party thrower The host of the party is also leaving his own party I think she's faking interest in JT Just to have a storyline I just hate that Taylor Her like her boyfriend keeps getting thrown under like he's not on this show. You know, like we see him.
Right. In tiny little glimpses.
We have Sally who's like was talking shit about him. We had heard this episode even being like he's an easy name to throw under the bus or whatever the hell she said.
But yeah, it's just like I just hate that this person who didn't sign up for the show is like the butt of every joke, you know, and is like everyone's trying to tear him down.
It's kind of giving like the end of Vanderpump where it was like we were spending more time talking about fucking Joe.
Joe.
Yeah.
Oh, Joe.
Oh, my God.
Schwartz is Joe.
You know, and like, you know, there were all these like, you know, friends of and assistants and all these things. Because, like, I felt like the cast was just, like, either too tired of talking shit about each other.
They didn't want the interrelationship drama. So they, like, brought these other people in.
And that's kind of giving, like, we've ran out of story. It's just clear that, like, Taylor is finally happy and secure and, like, good in her life and her relationship.
relationship. And like these people want to tear that apart.
And I'm just like, like they want to hold her to the person that she was last year while she was going through a tough time. And then also sounds like her boyfriend has a real job and just like wants to help her protect her peace when it comes to these people and filming.
Yeah. Like he's just not he's not trying to be the star of of it he's not trying to get in drama with everybody so everyone's like do you think it's your boyfriend telling you that you're not allowed to come to the party and i'm like maybe he just got back into town wants to spend time with his girlfriend without cameras around because he's not on the show the way i saw it is that these this group of cast friends are not friends with taylor because in the beginning vanita's saying we all said we don't trust her It's like well so we're just using her to like expose her make her a storyline.
Escape goat. It's like but she's just trying to help you.
Yeah they were friends with her because of Shep and they're loyal to Shep and not Taylor. But it was really nice to see Molly's concert.
Yeah she played me. Yeah.
Molly's great. You were saying she can't play tuba as well because of her lip filler.
It was so cute. very good I don't think she Get more lip filler girl I feel like you got more Yeah Or put it in there Oh my god That embouchure gorge The angle of her playing the tuba I was like I respect her so much That she was like Sure put it there I don't care what I look like Shout out to band kids In reality TV You don't get to see too many Yeah She might I did not know that Erica Jane's son Is a is a cop yeah yep we've been and he's on testifying or as a part of this asap rocky trial that we were just talking about last week he was as a cop we can only assume he's testifying against asap rocky he was the cop that arrived to the scene first so that's just he's not testifying i think against or for it's more so just like in accounts of like what he saw when he arrived on scene but who's calling him to the stand the prosecution or the defense i'm guessing the prosecution i'm sure i know they both can but i'm wondering who did usually it's the prosecution well it's just kind of like you know we know that rihanna is like dming with housewives she's a huge housewife fan it's just kind of like crazy that one of the more iconic housewives his son is a cop testifying in her husband's case and again he's facing up to like 25 years in prison this is like this is not like fucking a jaywalking ticket like crazy well and also what i read too is that he was offered a plea deal that would have uh ended in six months yeah and i'm assuming you got to assume good behavior cut that in half three yeah it would have served maybe a month or two and he was like fuck that no let's uh let's go all the way i think you need to watch old erica like girardy jane scenes where she's talking about her son being a cop because it's entertaining in what way justin like so there's what was it it was a berlin what was the trip where like erica's like don't ever talk about my son there's that which is iconic lisa vanderpump was there then we have when um tom girardi was caught there was erica spinning the story of when she found tom girardi and she was like he drove down a hill and then my son came out my son was a police officer then he rolled his car six times and it's just been a really tough time for me but it was snowing car six times i remember that it was snowing during like the summer like there's always snowing in beverly hills there's so many details in the summer there was a it was a whole long monologue that she gave.
It was when she was like, I don't want people to use it for like the, I don't want to talk about Tom's car was broken in and he was like, but then also Tom like did raise Erica's son as if it was his son too. So, I mean, it's sweet on that part, but sure.
Very entertaining surrounding the sun. Tom's house is broken into.
He confronted the burglar and then had to go have eye surgery and then my son had to go over and help and then my son he rolled his car five times on the way home so yeah i'm under a lot of stress it's unclear when she's telling the story it became different people and then there's different details so yeah i'm under a lot of stress when she was like being cagey with being able to answer things and it was like a conversation with kyle being like how are you and she's just like yep this is what i'm doing and so yeah i'm saying i'm under a lot of stress and it was like that cagey with being able to answer things. And it was like a conversation with Kyle being like, how are you? And she's just like, yep, this is what I'm doing.
And so, yeah, I'm saying I'm under a lot of stress. And it was like, that's such an Erin Brockovich line is the best part of it.
That's how you are. Two wrong feet and fucking ugly shoes.
She could body that role. I did see a headline recently of Cal Richards new reason why she returned to Beverly Hills.
Because every single week there's a new headline. Oh my God, that's an amazing headline.
Her new reason? What was her first reason? Her first reason was that she like, she, wasn't it that she had been on the show for so long and just like needed a break? She was overwhelmed and became depressed so she quit for a week. Yeah.
But then she returned because some of these housewives truly cannot apologize. Like they are never wrong.
Kyle's current reason is that it's because she's known production for so long and it's such a big part of her life that she just like... For the team and the family.
She didn't want to walk away. Are these words from Kyle's mouth or is these sources in...
Those are words. I know that after 14 years of being on this show, production has been family to me and through all my ups and downs, they have been a constant in my life.
And I thought to myself, what would I do if all of a sudden that's removed from my life, too? Oh, she's an empath. She also kind of made a statement about Bose.
She was like, I left that thinking I'm done. I don't need friends like this.
I don't need the money. Why am I here? Bose seems to really just only see through Dorit's lens, everyone, because they'd spent time together.
And Dorit was just coming at me then Sutton and Garcelle who are my friends who know who I am were all of a sudden back in it with Dorit which makes no sense because they're always coming for Dorit and then there I have Erika Jayne the only one who's standing up for me even Dorit came out and then Sutton didn't and I'm like wow this is just like bam bam bam it's almost as if you're in the wrong if all your friends disagree with you you know yeah just be like hey listen you know honestly it wasn't my best moment as your friend i'm sorry if i if like i said if it was if i were in that shoes i'd be mad too so like my bad yeah the thing about kyle and that conversation with dorita i can't get over is her being like well i never saw that side of pk like okay and it's like it's it's a little victim blamey on kyle's part talking about dorita where she's like well i, I never saw that. Yeah.
The not wife of someone is saying, oh, well, I didn't see a side, even though the one who's married to the man is like, huh? And again, you're welcome to that opinion, Kyle, but you're clearly not having your alleged friends back. You are choosing sides and you're choosing PKs.
And that's fine. She can choose PK choose pks but like you got to deal with the consequences
of that you don't get to be like a good friend well that wraps it up for today's episode of
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