E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH

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You're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick and uh well justin released a video we've officially reached the stage of people have uh cemented themselves in the position that they uh have it really feels like if you're on justin's team feels like every time he releases something it seems like his side's like oh smoking gun and then you have blake what what was the statement that blake's team? Her legal team slammed the, it ends with those footage and said, The video shows Mr. Baldoni repeatedly leaning in toward Miss Lively, attempting to kiss her, kissing her forehead, rubbing his face and mouth against her neck, flicking her lip with his thumb, caressing her, telling her how good she smells, and talking with her out of character.
Every moment of this was improvised by Mr. Baldoni with no discussion or consent in advance and no intimacy coordinator present.
Mr. Baldoni was not only Ms.
Lively's co-star, but the director, the head of studio, and Ms. Lively's boss.
The video shows Ms. Lively leaning away and repeatedly asking for the characters to just talk.
Any woman who has been inappropriately touched in the workplace will recognize Ms. Lively's discomfort.
They will recognize her attempts at levity to try to deflect unwanted touching. No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer without their consent.
I don't even think you need to be inappropriately touched in the workplace. I think any woman who's been in a bar and a man has like tried to dance with them or made advances, did anything that made you uncomfortable.
And like, I think a lot of women struggle with like embarrassing a man or like standing up for themselves and being like I don't want to be touched so they try to be as like polite as possible and be like that's why a lot of women say I have a boyfriend when most of the time they don't have a boyfriend because they don't want to give their number away you know like I think people are gonna read this how they want to you know I read this is definitely how Blake said it you. I see an uncomfortable woman who just is constantly trying to be like, I think we should talk.
Let's just talk. If this part was supposed to be kissing and touching and neck smelling and whatever, then they would have had an intimacy coordinator because that's all intimacy.
So I think Blake being like, let's just talk. Let's have conversation.
And I don't know.

I see it how Blake says it.

I'm sure people are going to see it how Justin describes it. I get why his team released a video though.
And it seems to be a continuation of their playbook because by releasing the video, it allows people to do what they're doing, which is to decide for themselves whether

what they're seeing would make them uncomfortable, right? And so now they're watching it and a lot of people are watching it maybe through the lens of, you know, putting themselves, imagining that they would be actors with Justin Baldoni. It's just like, well, I don't know if I was doing a scene, like, I don't know, what is he so bad? It's like, it's as if people expected to see a video, Like short of them seeing a of Justin groping Blake or throwing his tongue down her throat and having her push him off and things like that.
It's going to allow people to claim that she's overreacting or that they don't know what they are seeing. I don't know what it's like to be in y'all's position.
To reiterate what Natalie said, I'm like, it's also shocking that people don't understand that she's in a professional setting. So I'm like, at the end of the day, she's hired to do her job.
You're not going to see her pushing him aggressively away. You're not going to see her cowering.
She knows that the camera is rolling. They're having conversation and she's trying to direct it back into the way that she wants the scene to go.
But again, it's another thing where it's his word versus hers. And it's like, you don't know what the inner monologue in her mind of if she was uncomfortable, what she was thinking, how she was feeling.
And that wasn't being gauged. So again, it's the, if I were in her shoes, I would have been fine.
But you don't know what it was like to be in her shoes in that position. Also, it was interesting that, you know, this man who is all about women threw Jenny Slate's nose under the bus.
Yeah, she was catching shrapnel. I've said multiple times that I'm team Jenny Slate.
And as soon as a stray got thrown at Jenny Slate, that, I mean, that just put the nail in the coffin for me. Well, I'm sorry, just not giving Ally in the sense of you're going to throw a co-worker's appearance, a woman's appearance under the bus to validate your commentary that you extended about your nose.
But who's also not even in the room. Who's not in the room.
Who you hired, who doesn't know that you've said this about her. All my friends I've talked to about this seem to have similar opinions than us.
I mean, I would be interested to talk to someone who disagrees with us and their take. What I struggle with, and you all make obviously great points, but let's say we were a fly on the wall, right? And regardless of what Blake feels about Justin, that from our perspective, everything Justin did from the scene to the phone call to her trainer, the alleged comments about his porn addictions, Let's say none of that would have offended us or made us feel uncomfortable.
Let's say we were just like, I don't know, I don't see what the big deal is. What I still struggle with is what seems to be really concrete evidence of Justin's intentions to, in his team's words, destroy Blake and attack her credibility and hire this crisis PR team and hire this team.
Again, that clearly laid out their roadmap of how they plan to go about doing exactly what they're doing online. And that's the part I struggle with.
It's like the retaliation part. Even if you disagree with her interpretation of everything, what seems to be clear is his spitefulness and his willingness to invest and spend a lot of money on retaliating against Blake.
And to me, that's the part that she is fighting the most. Back to what I said on Tuesday, it seems like Wayfair fronted the money, Wayfair made the most money.
It sure seems like to me that she had the most to lose and very little to gain. When this all happened in August and the internet turned against Blake, we said what we said.
Everyone told us we were wrong. And then we all moved on.
Everyone kind of moved on. The movie came out.
It was done. And then obviously this all came up and reignited this whole thing but you know it seemed like her desire i would think to fight this like she had to just figure out like what was she going to gain from this because you would think bringing attention to this and causing the drama would again make the movie more popular make justin and wayfair more money what was she going to get out of it other than just to defend herself? And clearly, this has cost her a ton.
For the people who are just vehemently against her in writing for Justin, how do you answer those questions? That's what I struggle with. I'm sure you'll have plenty of answers in the comments.
I'm sure the trolls will have no problem arguing with me. But they don't really, they're just telling us how wrong we are.
They just tell us that like, oh, we need to read the complaint. We've read all the complaints, including the Stephanie Jones one, which no one's talking about, which includes so many text messaging conversations that like, from my point of view, seem fairly damning against Justin and his team.
But I don't know, people clearly are cherry picking. People have clearly decided where they stand.
I don't know. So.
Paldoni's team is also planning to make a website now with relevant videos and correspondence to the lawsuit, which is interesting. But like these relevant videos, like one one text message that was talked about all over the Internet was this text message from Blake to Justin where she like, you know, kind of bizarrely claims that she's like this Game of Thrones fan.
And there's this, you know, implication that she's alleging Taylor Swift is one of her dragons and things like that. And yeah, like when you read it, it kind of like, it seems a little kooky, maybe a little weird, but everyone's just focusing on that and deciding that like what they think of Blake is the person.
And again, like, I don't know, seems like people are are losing sight of that. I do know that going forward, if you are a woman in the workplace and you feel uncomfortable from a man in power, what is going on right now, I don't see how any woman going forward would feel comfortable speaking up because clearly there is a very clear playbook now to how to fight against that.
I don't know. We feel how we feel.
Again, my opinion is strongly based off my interactions with Justin. Yeah, I don't know.
What else have we got? Ashley and Tyler from Love is Blind last season are officially split. It's sad because I feel like she really- She wanted to believe in that relationship.
Yeah, and also I feel like she really was trying to like prove to the haters that like they're good. I feel like the world, the internet was against their relationship and they were constantly trying to like poke holes in it and be like, well, he's a liar and he did this and he did that.
Obviously not being behind closed doors with them. And I feel like she really tried to like fight that and like put that on the back burner.
And I mean, obviously we don't know what happened, but it is sad that they're broken up. They are awfully quiet.
I do know that neither of them want to comment on it going forward, other than the comment that Ashley made, which was pretty vague and generic. I was going to say she did do a statement to people if we want to read it.
It was like she made a difficult decision. What was it? After much reflection, I want to share that Tyler and I have been separated for several weeks and have now made the difficult decision to end our marriage.

While I had hoped for mutual understanding and transparency in our relationship, it has become

clear that our paths are no longer aligned, making it impossible for me to continue in this marriage.

This was not a decision I made lightly, but one I know is necessary for my own growth and peace.

While this chapter is ending, I will always hold respect for the time and love we shared. I kindly

ask for privacy during this deeply personal time as I will always hold respect for the time and love we shared. I kindly ask for privacy during

this deeply personal time as I focus on

healing and building a new future.

Thank you for your understanding and support.

Based on that, sounds like she caught him in a lie.

It seems like whatever she was trying

to protect, he's not making

it any easier.

She wrote hard for him. She came on this show

and she was

fighting with the entire internet and she was very adamant about believing him and trusting him. Giving him the benefit of the doubt.
So it probably didn't even have to be a big lie. It just probably was just another little, who knows? Who knows? Or maybe it was a big lie.
I don't know. But they are over.
Wishing them both the best. Well, speaking of another relationship that the internet has strong feelings about, Justin Bieber claims someone unfollowed his wife, Haley, on his Instagram.
You say someone like you don't believe them. No, it's in quotes.
That's why I was just putting emphasis on the quote. It was my dialect.
Do you think the same person who he's alleging unfollowed Haley was the same person that liked the posts from Beyonce's mom? Yeah. And commented that from Josh Allen's ex? There is one freak out there.
We got it. We got to get him.
I just want to point out that how many people on this team have access to my Instagram? I do. One, two, Zach.
I don't know, three or four people?

Yeah, but like-

I put a lot of trust in you guys.

I was going to say, can we start getting messy?

Also, he does also-

Just saying, like, it's not that crazy to think that he has a team.

I'm pretty sure someone on his team has access to it.

He also has a baby.

And like, I know that River will touch my phone.

And I'm like, oh my God, how did you get, how are you DMing this person? Or how are you liking this photo? Or how are you on Google searching that? What are the odds that River grabs her phone and unfollows Nick though? You know, they could be slim. They also could not be.
She's very smart. Sometimes I will say things happen and you're like, fuck.
If that got out, no one would believe that. She turned on the, what is it called on the TV? She likes buttons.
She loves buttons. She's drawn.
We don't give her any screen time, but she will always go for it. What does she turn on on the TV? I know she turned on the TV.
She turned on this. It's so annoying.
She turned on. It's really fucking annoying because I can't figure out how to turn it off.
It's like the voice command. every button you push It's like Netflix And it's a computer Like volume 24 Volume 25 Volume 26 Volume 27 And then you try to turn down Volume 24 Volume 23 And you're like fuck Maybe she's an auditory learner Maybe But I can't figure out How to turn this thing I can help you Off She might know I know I'm pretty good with tech I'm pretty good It's a It's good So I think Jack did it That's my Jack the baby I don't think Justin Bieber got in a fight with Haley And unfollowed her out of No, well Haley then posted in a carousel A picture of Justin sleeping To be like, my man's still here Taking a nap So he was taking a nap while the story was posted? This is later.
Haley then, after all of this and everyone's like, they hate each other, they're getting a divorce. I feel so bad for him.
Every little thing they do. Every move.
I know. They step outside.
He didn't dress up enough. They're getting a divorce.
He doesn't love her. They're not holding hands.
Yeah. He's walking ahead of her.
While he's supporting her at her event. But yes, no, he hates her.
It's hates her It's like you can't even be genuine Because they must be so in their head About how the internet Expects them to act If I was them, I would literally Log off and never show my face again So proud of them You know who else would log off and never show their face again? Tell me who Mark Mark Zuckerberg. Speaking of oligarchs.
I'm definitely over the oligarch. Mark Zuckerberg full on was checking out Lauren Sanchez's Jeff Bezos wife's chest during the inauguration.
Do you think he thought she was hot or not? This is a real social network situation. That was the first app he created.
Hot or not? That's the MySpace days. It was like...
I was on the brink of MySpace. I want Lauren Sanchez to do Rooney Mara's entire monologue at the beginning of the social network.
Do you think Jeff called him up and was like, bro? Did you see the photo of him, Mark, with his wife? And he's on his phone and you can tell he's like, no, babe, it's the angle. If you would zoom in, you could see my eyes are looking across her, not at her.
He was like, I was running an algorithm, and I was like deep in thought. Have we not learned peripherals exist for a reason? Give it a glance, look away.
He was staring. I think the whole thing is a still photo, so it's hard.
But he looked twice in the video. In the video, yeah.
He definitely looked twice. He's copping a look.
Yeah. This really is an example of how when someone is hot looking at your boobs, it's great.
And when that someone is Mark Zuckerberg, no. No.
No. Somebody called it yossified and I just can't not think of it that way.
Yeah. No.
He just pulled him in. He got real happy and then he was like, just one more.
Yeah. The force is strong.
Crazy that his face looks that melted. Anyway, A$AP Rocky refuses plea deal, faces maximum of 24 years.
As trial opens on charges, he fired a gun at former friend. Isn't his defense that it was like not a real gun or something? That he carries a prop gun for like self-defense.
Yeah. That's what his attorneys are saying.
And then, but it fired. So those details we don't know.
Basically, the judge is like he's strong on like we're not going to let fame protect this man. Like we need a quick speedy trial.
Well, it's great. I mean, he was given a plea deal of six months in prison.
I imagine if he was well behaved, that would be even less. And he's like, fuck that.
Let's go to court. And he's facing up to 24 years in prison.
That's a big bet. That is a big fucking bet.
Especially for having two kids, two small children at home, you know? I mean, I'm not saying I'm in no position to say, hey, just do the time. I don't know what it's like to go to prison.
I can't imagine. It's fun.
But again, it's a big bet. To explain the starter pistol is what he says that he has, which is a gun that's usually carried as a prop for security purposes.
But it makes a loud noise instead of firing bullets and is used for starting races. A starter pistol is what he's claiming he was holding.
Like a blank. Yeah.
Is there any evidence to the contrary? There is video evidence. I'm pretty positive.
And I know there's still frames. I haven't seen it.
So I'm like, and also, I don't know how a starter pistol works in the sense of does it fire off a blank or is it just a loud noise? Well, they clearly think that they have a strong enough case to go to trial and like put him on the stand in front of jurors. I don't think anyone would think that 24 years in prison would be a fair punishment for this alleged crime regardless.
So I do think it's ironic that the judge is pointing out that Aesop is not going to get any favoritism because of his celebrity. But it's well known that district attorneys and politicians will go after public figures to set an example to make a name for themselves.
Martha Stewart. Martha Stewart.
Yeah. You know, this happens all the time.

So it's a bit hypocritical given the potential length of time he would have to face.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I feel like six months for accidentally firing a gun would be like the max.

Yeah.

You know, no one got hurt.

I worked on an ASAP Rocky music video as a PA one time.

And I will say I gave him a water bottle.

That man, beautiful, incredible teeth. So don't put him behind everything.
And he would put a smile at the jurors. Was he nice? And they would be like...
Yeah, I said, would you like a water? And he said, no, thank you, but thank you. And I was like, I'm lying.
Not a double thank you. And I was like, oh my God, I understand you, Rihanna, in every single level.
It does say, Rocky told a judge he respectfully declined.

So he's a gentle man.

He's a gentle man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's not the guy you guys should be going after.

Yeah.

I feel like there are a lot worse things happening right now.

Team A$AP and Rihanna.

Fuck this judge.

Yeah. Also, hey, A$AP Rocky released the music video that I worked on because it was really cool and it's just still not out is a song out no anyway do you even know the name yes but i don't want to like say it i send an nda okay they didn't pay me but i sent an nda you know who we need to come after or go after girl scout cookies oh fuck them why are we going after the kids so there's this story that just came out of this woman who's a manager of a team and one of her like employees below her was selling girl scout cookies for his daughter she basically asked the person like i have celiac disease are there any cookies that don't have like gluten in them like i just want to make sure he was like no she didn't.
She didn't buy them. And basically, he started going around behind her back and calling her stingy, comparing her to the previous boss or manager that would buy cookies.
And to me, I'm just like, okay. This guy's a fucking bully.
Yeah. Well, we can't say fuck them kids because it wasn't the kids.
It was the dad of the kid. Yeah.
Sorry. I was quoting Doja Cat.
I was quoting Doja Cat and A$AP Rocky. Protect the kids.
Yeah, protect the kids. Yeah, no, it seems like this woman actually hates young female entrepreneurs.
I also do think there's still a group of people who think like gluten allergies are a crock of shit. For sure.
And so I feel like maybe he heard like, I'm learning to gluten. And he was like, just stingy bitch.
But also, I don't want to buy your fucking cookies. Maybe he got off a four-day water cleanse and decided to not eat sugar for a while and realizing that if he were going to buy the cookies, he would fucking eat them.
Just because you have a fucking kid. And listen, if River wants to join Girl Scouts and sell Girl Scout cookies, we'll do the parental thing and go around and ask people who want to buy the cookies.

But I'm not going to stomp my feet and storm off if someone says no and act like they're a monster because they don't want to support my child.

It'll be a great opportunity to teach my kid disappointment.

Oh, my God.

I'm such a sucker for Girl Scout cookies.

Yeah, they're delicious.

This guy's a terrible parent.

She also could have been like, I'll buy the cookies, but I don't want the cookies. cookies yeah she doesn't have to buy the cookies though yeah she doesn't have to but i'm just like you and then buy a box it's not your it's no one's fucking job to support your kid i don't good for your fucking kid who give there's a million people out there it's not my job to support your fucking kid hey she's not the the kids aren't doing this to like buy a ranger the kids not even there no the parent no this is i'm guaranteed this is one of those parents that goes around this this this parent does their kid's science project for sure because they want to they want to put their kids like fucking gold star on their fridge and they want to go to their friends parties and brag about their kids because they sold the most fucking cookies like give me a fucking break the f word is flying out of your mouth this because i hate parents like this i just thought you're really passionate about girl scout cookies no i'm passionate about parents who use their kids to like make other people feel bad because i don't want to buy your cookies like do you buy them outside of the grocery store i've bought plenty of girl scout cookies because I love Girl Scout cookies and I'm happy to support, but it's

not my job or responsibility to

do that. People are acting like

we're donating

to a tragedy.

If it was

2009, this would be made

into a movie with Melissa McCarthy and Vince

Vaughn and it would make $10 million.

They already made that movie.

Did they? About Girl Scout cookies? What? See, I'm so smart. The Boss or something and it would make 10 million dollars they already made that movie did they about Girl Scout cookies what's the movie see I'm so smart the boss or something and it's like competing Girl Scout groups that like have to sell more cookies and they have like a full fight scene maybe subconsciously I did but I think I'm just maybe an incredible casting director and have a visionary that's what I'm saying and does she play a bossy troop leader she turns the girl scout group that's like unpopular into like a multi-million dollar company so i mean yeah i mean they also did troop that got five stars out of ten on imdb so okay well going back to nick and i's conversation sorry for my f words imdb scores i don't care clearly you can't listen to this with your kids in the car i did ask a girl scout once i went up to her table and they're expensive first of all so I was like if I'm gonna pay $7 for a box now when it used to be $4 I'm gonna ask you about the cookie I was like is this the original formula of the lemonade cookies Justin she was born six years ago she gave me a speech of nonsense.
You asked the kid this? Yes, I did. Okay, you're a monster.
The kid's like, I asked if this is the original. I was being nice and I also wanted to know if all the icing was still on the cookie.
To be clear, my opinion is strictly based on the fact that this is an adult, a conversation between two adults and a kid wasn't present and this is an adult who showed up to work and demanded all of his coworkers buy his kids' cookies.

I think this is the funniest beef in the world.

Well, what if the kid couldn't,

what if no one was buying the kids' cookies

and the dad was like, you know what, honey,

I'll take them to work and there's a bunch of people there

and they're going to support you, honey.

It's all right.

Don't worry.

We'll get you the whatever you get

when you sell your cookies.

Okay, tiny Tim.

And then that's what happens.

Then he should have bought them himself. He was just trying to help his kid out.
Sure. Great.
No, help your kid out. But when one person, whether they have celiac disease or they just don't want a cookie, like times are tight.
He was talking shit about her. What? He was talking shit about her.
Yeah, you don't get to go around and like start talking shit just because they don't want to buy buy your kids cookie. Ask another person.
Girl Scouts of America are not lacking in any funds. They have a partnership with Native Deodorant.
Go hang out outside of the vending machine and wait for the person whose cookie gets caught in the vending machine. They lose their fucking mind.
They start shaking it. Go sell to that person.
Girl Scout. Lay off the person who doesn't want to eat your cookies.
This man should be teaching his daughter how to scheme. I'm strictly off sugar if you guys can't tell.
I can tell. To answer your question, Natalie, she gave me a long speech on nonsense, but then I bought two boxes.
I was like, good for you, girl. Good for her.
You made her work for it, Justin. So you were testing her.
As a former Boy Scout, I was like, I know the hustle. And I was like, let me just hear, because inflation has made these cookies expensive.
And she got more money out of it. Your intentions were pure.
Yes, they were. Yeah.
Okay, well, some un-pure intentions. Andy Cohen wants Lisa Vanderpump to return for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season 15.
It makes sense, but keep her off. From a TV standpoint, I hate that I agree with it.
I don't think she deserves any more TV time. I think Kyle would literally implode.
She would have an aneurysm on camera. And for that reason alone, I'm kind of into it.
Yeah. I feel like this whole episode could have been avoided.
Maybe it's just every housewife fight, but all it takes is, listen, I'm sorry. My intentions weren't to hurt you.
My intentions weren't to be disrespectful or go behind your back, but I do understand how it can come that way, Dorit. And it's certainly what, you know, but Kyle just can't do that.
She just can't acknowledge that like dorit has every right to be upset regardless of what kyle meant or what actually was texted like she's supposed to be your friend like they're going through a divorce you've admitted it would bother you i know what am i missing i think also kyle being like you know telling i don't know if it was bows or more of the woman but she was like she's always been fine with me texting him and like now all of a sudden she's not and it's like well yeah now all of a sudden they're separated so like of course she would not be okay with you continuing to talk to him big difference yeah big difference yeah kyle also like notoriously never apologizes and she's so used to having like a girl gang behind her that's like don't talk about kyle don't say this and it's like you're kind of seeing the lone wolf and erica like still

standing by kyle where it's like if she read that message about your ex-husband would you not want

to know what you haven't shared or what you will always keep secret because that's that's weird

and erica's only motive is because like obviously she went through what she went through and she was

Thank you. because that's weird burbage.
And Erica's only motive is because, like, obviously she went through what she went through, and she was pretty wrong, especially when it came to the earrings, and she never wanted to acknowledge that. So her whole motive is because she didn't want to acknowledge her wrongdoing, and that's the only reason why she seemingly is backing Kyle is to protect herself.
I respect Erica. I respect her though.
Well because she's like, when saying it she's like, I don't want someone to be like ganged up on on like a group of women when it's like I was in that position as well. I definitely think it was wrong of Bo's to be like, read the text.
Because it's not for Bo's. She needs to be like, you need to go read the text to Dorit.
Kyle should not not have opened up the phone at chucky cheese she should have immediately if like if she was ever going to read this text it should have been with a sit down with her and dorit and she should have read dorit the text i mean for both to be like why don't you read me the text it's like well i was like yeah it's it's kyle showed up at her house post-surgery to try to manipulate bows into believing her kyle's the one who that was definitely a producer thing that was not kyle being like i want to go right after her surgery it's all i mean either way either way fine forget about post-surgery kyle went to bows to try to get bows on her side and she the one she's the one who brought bows into the drama and bows isn't buying Kyle's bullshit. And so, yeah, is it a little messy for Bo's to say, show me the text? But again, Kyle is adamantly trying to convince these women that she's not wrong and to take her side.
And they're not buying it. So they're like, well, fine, prove it to us.
If you want us to back you up and believe you, you have to you know? So I don't know. I don't have a problem with it.
And I feel like Bo said something just like about just like working in the workplace and like whatnot, where it's like this type of reaction.

Not only is it giving guilty, but it's also like just be able to stand still and have a conversation about it.

The bigger the reaction, the more you seem guilty because it's like you're trying to deflect from what's being said when it's as simple.

I don't think what I said was wrong, but instead it's like, let's blow up.

Let's make a whole thing so we don't have to continue this conversation anymore. And it's just like, I don't know.
It's just the deflection for me where I'm like, exactly what you said. This could have been solely handled with a singular conversation between two people.
And instead, you're reading text messages at a pizza party. I'm really sorry.
I got your back going forward. That was wrong of me.
If it were me, I'd be upset. So I totally get it.
End of conversation. That's literally all that has to be said.
She did blame production too, which was interesting. That was interesting.
She said it was because of all of this. And it's like, then why wouldn't you say it? Every single one of those housewives were like, nope, I have sent text messages being like, I can't say what you said on camera or I won't do this in front of production.
And it's like for you to leave that little bit out in your message to PK, it's suspect. Regardless of our success, do you think we'll ever buy our kids a luxury car? Only if our daughter's name was Mercedes or Range Rover.
Range Rover would be a beautiful name for a baby girl. I mean, like they had to get her a Porsche.
Her name is Porsche. They had to? Yeah.
Couldn't she have just gotten a job? I hate that it makes so much sense. It makes so much sense.
Yeah. Yeah.
And they're, I mean, like... I mean, yeah, they're filthy rich.
They're loaded. Like, let them get the kid a Porsche.
But what if your daughter's name was Nissan Altima? Dirt. Then what do you do? I feel like you gotta get the Altima.
Civic. Honestly, have y'all seen that trend where it's like if these weren't names

of like things they would be such pretty names and it's like kia soul gonorrhea my mom works in schools and you'd be shocked that a lot of kids are named after like stds wow because their parents don't know and like they sound pretty outside of the context of what they are chlamydia chlamydia has a ring to it.

Cammy?

Right?

Yeah.

Ghani?

Riri?

I do think ring to it. Chlamydia is kind of chlamydia.

Cammy? Right? Yeah.

Ghani? Riri? Would you be cute?

I do think I remember a story of a kid named,

it was Gonorrhea, but her name was Gonorrhea or something. It's pronounced

always more elegant.

Are we done with Bob Ridley Hills? I think so.

Is there something else we have missed out?

Jennifer Tilly says memes instead of memes

and I just think we needed to mention that.

I feel like we're not shocked by that, right? No. As Sutton said, she's Canadian.
Yeah. Is she? I don't know.
And she owns an American icon TV show. Yeah.
Good for her. Up next, we have the legendary Mayim Bialik with us.
You know her from Blossom and Big Bang theory and she is going to break down some of the

bachelor bios and then after that we have a couple of the ds's from special forces billy and rudy are with us i'd love to get their take on some of the women uh on the upcoming season of the bachelor which premieres monday next monday next monday all right well we'll see who they casted up next Winter is right around the corner, which means cooling weather and more time on the go.

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That's Nutrafol.com, promo code VIALL. Maya, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me. So excited to have you.
Thank you. I've been a fan of yours for a long time.
Oh, that's very sweet. Yeah.
I'm old enough to know Blossom. I did not think you were old enough, but...
Yeah, I'm 44. Okay.
Yeah. So you were like a huge star in my household growing up.
Well, thank you. I guess just to start there, I mean, you've had obviously such an illustrious career in Hollywood.
What has that been like? I'm always kind of fascinated with people who their whole life has been kind of in and out of this kind of crazy world.

Nothing that happened was something I predicted.

You know, I don't have the typical like child actor trajectory of like starting in commercials when you're three because you're so cute and everyone wants to look at you.

I was born at a time when people like me did not appear in commercials when you're three because you're so cute and everyone wants to look at you. I was born at a time when people like me did not appear in commercials or even TV shows.
Like, you know, when you watch TV now, you see people of like different shape, sizes, colors on the television. And I try and explain to my kids, like I never saw black or Latino people in commercials like my whole life.
It was just like blonde haired, blue eyed, small featured humans. Like that was the world of that I grew up in.
So it never occurred to me, you know, that like a strange grandchild of, you know, immigrants from Eastern Europe like should be on television. I enjoyed performing in school plays.
My parents were not industry people. My dad was a drama teacher, but not my drama teacher.
My mom was a nursery school director.

My grandparents are immigrants, like sweatshop workers.

Like I come from very humble beginnings.

I grew up in a kind of crummy neighborhood in Hollywood.

You know, I grew up like playing outside till it got dark or if somebody was bleeding. That was the only time your parents kind of wanted to hear from you.

So I liked school plays and had this notion of like people are on TV.

Like I should be an actor.

I don't know what gave me that idea really, because like I said, nobody looked like me on television. You know, my whole career, people have believed in me more than I believed in myself.
There's not an example I can give you where that wasn't true. In this case, it was my mom, you know, often starts with your parent.
And she was like, you look like Bette Midler and Barbra Streisand and you can sing and you can dance and you can do this. So I got an agent when I was 11 and I was cast in Beaches playing a young Bette Midler when I was 12 and a half.
And my mother was like, see, I was right. The next period of my life, which you experienced as a viewer, and I think maybe you're- I was not even a thought.
You were not. Yeah.
You know, that happened because of Beaches. So it was literally just like overnight.
You know, I was given my own TV show. It's nuts.
It's a crazy story. And it felt crazy at the time.
I was a very strange kid. I'm a strange adult.
You know, I was a kid who like didn't really... I mean, I had friends and stuff, but everybody thought I was weird.
Girls were intimidated by me. Boys were intimidated by me.
I was very cerebral and kind of a serious kid. And I got to have my own TV show when I was 14 to 19.
That was Blossom. Wow.
That's crazy. And then I left the industry for 12 years.

I had two kids and then I did Big Bang Theory.

Okay, yeah.

With Blossom, I was a big fan of Joey. And that was

when I would tie the flannels

around the waist.

I would steal my sister's flannel

just so I could do that.

It was the look.

I mean, look, we were on from

1990 to 95. It was the look.
I mean, look, we were on from, you know, 1990 to 95. Like, that was kind of the, it was the heart of the 90s.
And, you know, CNC Music Factory was on our show and Salt-N-Pepa and, you know, a lot of sort of musicians and like Will Smith was on when we literally called him Fresh Prince. Like, that was his name.
Like, nice to meet you, Mr. Fresh Prince.
We premiered after the Cosby show.

Like that's how long ago it was.

That's how long ago it was.

So yeah, that was, I was 14 to 19.

Joey's a year younger than me.

Jenna Vonoy is two years younger than me.

So we kind of grew up as each other's,

that was school.

That was our social circle.

We were very fortunate.

We had a very clean set.

You know, a lot of sets had like drugs

and parties and drinking.

Like, you know, it wasn't uncommon in those days

for like the crew to be like drunk at lunch

I'm not just like, it was amazing. Like, I love my life.
It really was a very positive, constructive, creative environment. You know, I credit our producers and the grownups who were in charge of us.
So yeah, and then leaving for 12 years, I got a PhD. I had two kids.
What are your PhD? I got my PhD in neuroscience. I'm a science person.
I fell in love with science late in life. And I was cast in Big Bang Theory.
I'd never seen it. Thought it was a game show.
And I was kind of like, as you may have like gleaned from my questionnaire I filled out before meeting you, I'm not really a pop culture person. I had never seen the Big Bang Theory.
It was a very popular show. I just was like nursing a baby and, you know, dealing with a toddler.
So yeah, I was out of, I was just out of getting my doctorate and I went on Big Bang Theory. I used to act and I am also a PhD.
I needed insurance. I was out of insurance.
It's a true story. I taught all through my graduate years as a neuroscience student.
I had my first kid in grad school and I took my doctoral hood seven months pregnant with my second. And then I was tutoring.
I was teaching. I taught neuroscience in the homeschool community here.
I was teaching with a kid strapped to my chest, budgeting, doing all the things that grown up people do living in Los Angeles. And I was running out of health insurance.
And I figured, you know, if I can get like my Screen Actors Guild insurance, at least I can have some insurance. My husband at the time was a graduate student also.
Like we didn't, you know, people didn't make the kind of money in the 90s that they do now. It wasn't like you're set for life and you never have to work again.
What were your hopes or expectations when you got back in? Was it like, maybe I'll just do some commercials because, you know, you could just get a couple gigs and get insurance yeah i mean again like commercials a little bit hard like i'm a little recognizable in some ways um but no i really was like if i can get like a guest spot on something if i can just get i mean sag insurance like it's called sag after now it's pretty good like right well my first i was on uh bones did an episode of bones and then I did an episode of, episode of, what was it? I feel bad that I can't remember now, but I was like girl number two. I literally, I went and auditioned and I don't think my character didn't even have a name.
I had like two lines at the beginning of some crime show. And yeah, like it gets you insurance.
And, you know, most casting directors were younger than me. They had no idea who Blossom was.
I was just like an unusual looking lady who at a size 6'8 was very large for the industry. And so it was like one of my auditions, one of my first auditions before I got Big Bang Theory, it was for Zoftig Girl No.
2. Zoftig is the Yiddish word for like healthy.
I was like, okay, I'm Zoftig at a 6'8". Got it.
Great. So the industry had changed a little bit.

I got Big Bang Theory and I was just a guest star. You know, it was the end of season three was my episode.
And then they brought me back in season four. And the week they made me a regular, I said to my manager, I think they're done with me.
I don't think there's any more plots. And she was like, I don't know that know that that's true and literally they called that week and that was what reminded me i should never listen to myself or my instinct because i was like they're done remember i've never believed in myself i start now that's right so yeah then they made me a regular consistent that's right but uh fast forgetter i'm a slow learner and a fast forgetter and then how many more seasons after that that? I mean, you really became a focal point.
Yeah, I was on for nine years. And it was, at the time, it was the number one show on television.
It was the number one comedy in America. We never had the sort of like critical acclaim that a lot of shows that are often popular get, but that was just sort of the industry at the time.
It was like, oh, that's like for the fans. But you know what? We had unbelievable fans who loved our show.
Jim Parsons got some Emmys. I was nominated four times for Big Bang Theory.
Lost every time. Like the Susan Lucci of sitcoms.
Still pretty cool. Still pretty cool, but a lot of fancy dresses and a lot of stress for the red carpet to be like, and I lost.

So those were my years.

I went from having

a nursing baby and a toddler to having big kids. That was nine years.
So when people are like,

what was that time? That's what I think of. I think of I was a mom and pumping in my dressing

room. And then by the time I was done, I had almost bar mitzvah age kids.
They're now 16 and 19.

Wow. That's incredible.
And now were you a fan of Jeopardy or did you also not watch that at all and just happen to host it? So I knew of Jeopardy, but I did not grow up in a Jeopardy watching family. My parents are like quirky bohemian artists who were like, let's watch a Fellini film.
Like that was sort of movie night for us. But I, of course, knew of Jeopardy, had tremendous respect and reverence for it.
But yeah, I got to host for two years. I was also working on a series that I was doing at the time, you know, after Big Bang Theory, I did a series for three years called Call Me Cat for Fox.
So yeah, I was balancing my time. That was an amazing opportunity, especially because I'm like kind of I'm a nerd.
Like I love learning all those things and I love getting to see the writer's room and be part of, you know, putting together that show, meaning watching all the clues come together. And it's very stressful to read all those words, you know, but I enjoyed it as a dyslexic person watching it.
I was always like't know i don't know how you do that how did you balance motherhood and being a full-time working i was married for part of my time on big bang theory and you know he was he got his master's like we were both in grad school together he was an at-home parent which at the time it was like he's what a man staying at home isn't thatating? Isn't it weird? It might have been, but also like that was what worked for us. We got divorced during the time I was on Big Bang Theory and he still was our at home parent, which I think was a lovely arrangement for us, even in our divorce.
Our kids were homeschooled actually till high school, which is kind of interesting. So I did some of the teaching in the early years, But then, yeah, when I was working, sitcom hours are great.
Yeah. For having kids sitcom hours.
You know, we work basically school hours. It was like nine to three, nine to four.
We had one tape night, but that was actually really doable so that when I was home, I was home and on duty. Yeah.
Movie like movie star schedules, very, very different. And even drama, like they shoot 16 hour days, like that's not normal.
So it's actually a really easy, you know, schedule, but we didn't have nannies or anything like that's also an option that people do. So it was kind of just him and me.
And that's how we did it, you know, their whole lives. Wow.
Have either of them watched Big Bang Theory? No, they were too young at the time. Like, some of the content was like a little, so they were still kind of young.
And I guess I fall more on the socially conservative side of like, I don't need them hearing all these things at seven, even though it's like fun and it's funny. But no, they would come when they got older, they would come to some run throughs and see me working that way.
But we never really watched it. I mean, I think it's weird.
Like, I mean, they feel like it's weird to see their mom like that. And I think also when you're a kid, you really want to dislike your parents.
It's kind of like a, it's part of the job description. What age does that start? Four and seven.
We have an almost one-year-old. Oh yeah.
We're like planning. Yeah.
It starts kind of early. I mean, I mean it depends depends on their temperament but yeah I think they kind of don't want to be like my mom's so cool and look I'll be honest I have Instagram I see all these celebrity parents whose kids are like my mom is the coolest TV mom ever like not my kids at all they're like I don't want to think about it you look weird my younger son used to say no clown when I would like show up in makeup or hair from work.
No clown. No clown.
He'd want me to, you know, like take my makeup off. And then it's like, that's who are you? No clown.
No clown. No clown.
Like clown. Who? Where'd you get that word from? Why use that with me? Did not want mama looking like that.
So, yeah, my kids were kind of not like I said, I've seen the Instagrams of all the celebrities. Their kids look so happy to be on the red carpet and my kids are like.
And going forward, do you see yourself using your acting skills or PhD skills more in the future? Or both maybe? I mean, I've kind of, you know, my podcast sort of is presentational science. It's infotainment.
It's, you know, a lot of, honestly, the skills that I loved using on Jeopardy. Like, you know, I'm trained as a science communicator.
Like, that's part of the training that you get, you know, as a grad student in neuroscience. And for me, it's very natural to communicate that way.
So I think, like, for me, the podcast is a perfect combination of that. But I think I mostly use my science brain there.
We need a new Bill Nye, you know? Yeah, we do. He's overstayed his welcome.
I mean, look, there's definitely people like to get certain kinds of science from their dudes. I get it.
And I think that's also part of what our podcast kind of tackles is that like there's the Peter Attias and there's the Hubermans and there's, you know, all these like dudes and bros who will tell you things about your health and things like that. And I'm a lady doing that, you know, and it's different.
And I think especially for me as a woman, like I don't always take in my content science wise from dudes the same way that I do if it's like a woman. So like I kind of like having both options.
I mean, Bill Nye is great and he's super, super brilliant. I feel like it's less that he's a man and more that he just had that catchy song.
It's still in my head. Miss Frazzle raised me like from Magic School Bus.
I was like, okay, tell me all about what's happening inside my body. Takes all kinds.
You know, that's also my thing is like, it's not, it does, we're not a one size fits all, but you know, for me, acting is something that people keep wanting me to do. I've never been trained to do it.
I don't feel like I'm changing the world every time I step on a stage, but you know, for me, like the things that I do and like helping people, which I can do more as a scientist or helping people learn about themselves or learn about mental health or the environment or how it impacts us. Like that feels, I don't know, feels more meaningful to me.
But that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy performing. But I'm not like a, I say there's two kinds of actors.
There's the kind that really, there's the kind that like live for the applause. Like they want, they want that feedback.
They that, like, oh, it feels good and all that stuff that goes with it.

And then there's actors who are like, are you happy, Mr. Director?

If you're happy, then we're good, which is a much more kind of codependent approach to being a performer.

Like, I feel good doing my job when you're happy with me doing my job, as opposed to I feel good doing my job when you clap for me.

That makes sense.

You're an actual scientist, too. I only say that because, and I love her, but my sister was a biology major and like worked in a lab for six months.
And to this day, she still refers to herself as a scientist anytime. I refer to her as a scientist.
What's wrong with you? She also refers to herself as a sommelier because she sold liquor for a year Okay that I'm not with her No but I think when you're trained in science You see the world differently Like you do You see the world differently You're a PhD You're rolling your eyes at her That's rude The sommelier is the more I mean that's not necessary Anytime you just have a discussion I'm a scientist She's a sister. Molly is the more.
I mean, that's not necessary. She's a liquor.
Anytime you just have a discussion, I'm a scientist. She's a liquor scientist.
It's like, okay. You took one more class than me.
Tough crowd over here. Yeah, it is.
Well, we thought it would be fun. I know you're not a pop culture fan, but since we wanted to- I don't hate pop culture.
I'm not very literate. Since you're a PhD, and you don't need to be.
Since you're a PhD, we love to use your PhD. This time, going into the Bachelor season, the Bachelor releases, the bios of the upcoming contestants.
They always have these bizarre, random facts about them. And we just like to decide who we think might go further than the other.
There's no wrong answers. You want me to have a scale of one to 10? Do I have to look at them all? Or you just want a little feedback? We just give, yes, goofy feedback, not meant to be taken seriously.
Some fans might take it seriously, but who knows? This is our bachelor. His name's Grant.
Very nice fellow. Very handsome.
We've had the pleasure of meeting him. Super down to earth.
But this is the person. Just right out of the salon, that haird is the person this is the person that is it how many women? is it 25, 30? 25 to 30 women will be trying to get engaged to this man in less than 9 weeks you're not familiar with the format at all? no I heard, on it once.
Break it down. I heard.
That's what I heard. You're very handsome.
That's a requirement to say. I think it's a requirement to say that.
No, a requirement of the show. It's a desirable human.
It looks help. Yeah, for sure.
You look healthy. You look healthy.
There were plenty of people who didn't think I qualified. Why? everyone's a critic.
Were you single? Yeah, no. Then you're a bachelor.
Based on my looks. No, they didn't think I looked at the part.
Okay, well, they can hide behind their computers all they want. Exactly.
Okay, go ahead. What's the premise? Yeah, 25 to 30 women show up.
Okay. And night one.
Okay. You know, they come out.
Sometimes people, like myself, I blacked out and was really nervous. Some people hang glide down, you know.
Some people show up in a suit. Lady Gaga down.
They try to be memorable. The producer is like, so what do you want to do? I'm like, well, I was just going to introduce myself.
They're like, well, you know, we could, we're not sure, but if you want to parachute in or know, parachute in or something, like you never know. Like we all do is ask.
So sometimes they will do a stunt. That was their way of saying you're not memorable enough in your face.
They want like a big thing. Actually, one producer literally said that.
Okay. So the guy comes in.
I'm serious. Like, and then the show, how many episodes is this? It's a season.
Twelve. Yeah.
Okay. And so people get eliminated.
Is that what happens? Send people home. So these women are all going to get out of multiple limos.
Okay. And they're going to try to make their big first impression.
Oh, dear. While introducing themselves to girls.
That's who should be parachuting in. And they get night one anywhere from zero seconds to two minutes of time to make a connection.
One person gets what's called the first impression, Rose. They safe.
And then at the end of the night the bachelor gets a bunch, hands out roses and if you don't get a rose you go home. And then by the end of it he proposes to one person and they are engaged.
Okay. And then the final four weeks there's what's called hometown weeks where the final four you get to meet their families.
And it's super weird. This is the worst.
Because then the bachelor has to fake ask for the blessing of a bunch of people he has no intentions of getting engaged to. Oh, that's hard.
Okay. And then the third week, it's called fantasy suite week.
And you have an overnight- Night with each other. Off camera.
You have the sex. Sometimes the sex, sometimes not sometimes not the sex it really is what if somebody gets pregnant we've been hoping you know like okay that would be so sorry i'm supposed to say like oh just use birth control but i have to tell my kids the only way not to get pregnant on my season there were a couple covers i think like star magazine or whatever are in touch claiming that i might have oh uh gotten one of the people pregnant you know that was a runner season no all the bachelorette season it was like the runner i was the runner up runner up got you know that was the in touch week okay i'm ready but here you go ready all right this is alex she's 27 why they're an extra E at the end of her name.
Why is there an extra E? I feel like it's a Lexi. You already got this.
I'm ready. But here you go.
All right. This is Alex.
She's 27. Why is there an extra E

at the end of her name?

Why is there an extra E?

I feel like it's Alexi.

You already got this.

It came down.

It's Alexi.

It's definitely not Alex.

Okay.

Do you think it's Alexi?

We don't know.

Oh.

Alexa?

Alexi.

Alexi?

It really could be either or.

This really feels hard.

I feel like this is like

an Alex with a silent E

but okay,

we're going to do Alexi.

She loves ketchup chips

so I feel like that is an immediate... She's a ketchup kid.
Yeah, she's a ketchup kid. Okay.
Fickle. She's Canadian.
Pediatric speech therapist. I mean, she's good with kids.
She's good with kids. She's good with kids.
She also could mean she's bossy. What's wrong? Why doesn't she do karaoke? I got questions.
And it's like, doesn't we do karaoke ever? Maybe it means she's such a good singer that it's embarrassing to the other people. She's no fun.
I love her. She's selfless.
I'm into it. All right.
Me too. Hey, Ali Jo.
Next, we've got Ali Jo. She's a boxing trainer from New Jersey.
That means he works at Rumble. I can't pronounce where she's from.
She has dreams of shopping in Dubai. What does that mean? She's got money.

Oh, or wants to be with someone who does.

Or whoever she ends, or Grant better have.

Yeah, how can you be very organized but terrible at folding?

She's got Tiffany Amber Thiessen vibes.

Oh, yeah. She does, yeah.

In a good way.

It's a positive thing.

I mean, I think there only could be one way.

Because you're a child of the 90s.

Yes, she was definitely up there for me.

And you will never see her leave the house without lipstick on.

Same.

Thank you. I mean, I think there only could be one way.
Because you're a child of the 90s. Yes.
She was definitely up there for me. And you will never see her leave the house without lipstick on.
Same. Well, honestly, yeah, relatable.
She and I are like the same person. This is basically what I'm talking about.
You are Ali Jo. Ever.
Alicia. So she's an interior designer from Florida.
And I think the fact that she drove a Barbie pink Vespa in college says enough for me. That's pretty cool.

She's a pumpkin spice season queen.

What is that?

Pumpkin spice.

I don't mean to be mean, but this screams basic all the way down the board.

She's excited every time October comes around.

Oh, it's like people who like everything pumpkin spice.

It's like, yeah, fall, y'all.

What's a typical Scorpio?

She's a top 40s girl for sure.

I don't know enough about astrology, but she does. No, she knows enough about herself.
Oh, there you go. She knows that Scorpios are mysterious.
I'm saying hi to them as if they're... Hi, Bailey.
Hi, Bailey. Nice to meet you.
You're a social media manager from Atlanta. Well, is she there for the right reasons, though? Because if she knows about social media, it probably means she she's Is she really there for love Or is she there for the followers She knows what angle Needs to happen Whenever she's in a scene Does she already have A blue check mark I relate to her Because her comfort items Include bread and a heating pad And if I'm not falling asleep With a heating pad on me I won't be asleep If I'm not falling asleep With a piece of bread on me I'm not falling asleep So we love Bailey Wait Once took a Once took a flight Solely for the purpose Of leveling up her status With an airline I respect that She dreams of seeing A polar bear in real life She's ambitious Has she ever been to the zoo I don't think zoo No she wants Like in the wild In the wild Well it doesn't say In the wild It says in real life Wow bro Wow I'm just Wow.
I'm just judgy. Yeah, that is judgy.
Beverly. That's my mom's name.
Really? Yeah, that is my mom, actually. Wow.
What is Bev doing? Insurance salesperson. Her fun facts include closet is color-coordinated.
Same. So is mine.
True story. I feel like if your closet isn't color-coordinated, you need to grow up.
If your closet doesn't look like your waiting room bookshelf, you don't want to see it. That was my doing.
Lovely. So thank you very much.
My house is like that too. I color block the books.
You have to color block the books. Her first concert was the Jonas Brothers.
Jonas Brothers. Aspires to visit all seven continents.
I like that. I just like the name Beverly.
Like, do we call her Bev?

My mom's nickname's Bevy.

Oh, we've moved on to Carolina.

We're done.

Carolina?

Carolina.

Carolina.

She's from Puerto Rico.

She's a PR producer.

Oh.

Don't know what that means.

What does that mean?

But she describes her vibe as cool grandma.

Her.

Her pet peeve is menus with no photos.

I can stand by that.

I do want to see a photo of what I am reading.

Why?

It's never going to look like that when it comes out of the kitchen.

There's a lot of times I don't know.

No, I'm the opposite.

Oh, no.

Really?

I don't want the pictures.

I need to see it.

I need to know what it is.

If it has a picture, it's giving Cheesecake Factory, and I don't want to be there.

Totally.

She has dreams of being roasted by Nikki Glaser.

How would she do that?

By becoming...

Going on The Bachelor.

By winning The Bachelor. I was going to say, or by being in the Nikki Glaser.
How would she do that? By becoming... Going on The Bachelor.
By winning The Bachelor.

She wants to be famous.

Or by being in the Golden Globes.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, yes.

But it is giving

maybe not right reasons.

Maybe.

Because I feel like

Nikki Glaser wouldn't roast

a cool grandma.

A cool grandma.

She wouldn't.

From Puerto Rico.

She would not.

Nikki would roast anyone.

We'll have Nikki on and maybe we'll get Carolina on and maybe we'll make her dream come true. Chloe with an I.
Can we back? Chloe's got an extra vowel. In the slightest possible way, doesn't Carolina kind of give a little Sarah Paulson? Oh.
Yeah. I see that.
Chloe with every vowel she could possibly find. Model 27.
You know what? This is Serena Kerrigan's ex-assistant. Oh, really? Yes.
Friend of show. Friend of show.
She posted that this was her ex-assistant. I wonder why ex? Why did she fire? She went on The Bachelor.
Or why'd she quit? Yeah. She loves a dirty martini.
Sometimes people move on. I don't know.
She still sleeps with her baby blanket. Hashtag.
No shame. Did she write the hashtag? There should be a little shame.
Dreams of seeing herself on a billboard in New York City. These are some.
She's here for the right reasons. They are exposing themselves.
She's a model and she's in New York. It makes sense.
You're right. I'd worry if she didn't dream of seeing herself on a billboard in New York City.
Okay. You're right.
Christina, 26 marketing director from Fargo. Kirsten Dunst vibes.
Very Kirsten Dunst. Who also was in Fargo.
Look at that. Season two? I don't know.
That's a deep cut. She hopes to start a clothing line inspired by her grandparents.
She needs to talk to cool grandma lady. She does need to talk to cool grandma lady, but I also want to know why her grandparents.
Her grandparents are like 50, they're like 50 years old. Like, they're not that old.
Sorry. You're not wrong.
All right. We have Dina.
She's an attorney from Chicago. Okay.
Has never met anyone who is cleaner and more organized than she is. Is this a competition? That could mean nothing.
Maybe she hasn't met enough people. Yeah.
Wishes she had more time to read for fun. She's an attorney.
She's very busy prosecuting things. Screams teacher is pet.
I'm the best

at being organized.

And she just wishes she had more time to read

for fun.

I guess she does probably read a lot of like

boring. The things that lawyers

read. Right.
Yeah.

They're not

reading. She needs some smut in her life.

A court and thorn of roses. Claims.

Yeah. Ella, 25, luxury travel host from LA.
What does that mean? I don't know. She loves to play badminton.
She prefers glamping over camping. Growing up, Ella's fave look was a shirt with Justin Bieber's face on it.
Hmm. Okay.
Okay. These aren't easy fun facts for me to work with.
Yeah. What would be your fun facts? Oh.
Never seen The Bachelor. Okay.
PhD in neuroscience. Perfect.
No one is organized. Color organized.
I am a very organized person. Okay.
Janae, 28, account coordinator from Colorado. That's very vague.
Mostly I want to know what she's holding in her right hand that got cut off in the picture.

Has a rose tattoo on her forearm.

Coincidence?

Hmm.

So do I.

And it's also not a coincidence that I married a bachelor and have a rose tattoo.

Oh, it's a foreshadowing.

It is a foreshadowing.

I think it is a coincidence.

Mine?

Well, you had it before you met me, which means it's a coincidence. Oh.
Or just manifestation. Oh.
The best kind of coincidence. The universe is coincidence.
I did. I manifested that I would marry a bachelor.
Her love language is FaceTime. Okay.
That's weird. You feel weird about that? I can see it on his face.
He's like, that's weird. Why don't you love that her love language is FaceTime't It's not a love language Oh Juliana 28 Client service associate From Newton, Massachusetts What's a client service associate? Yeah I feel like Here's what I've learned About these bios There's a lot of fake jobs Oh yeah Just throw three words That make sense Like there are two words That make sense And then just throw Associate at the end Or producer And you're good Client service service associate.
Okay, I mean, she wants to own a dog-friendly bar one day and I'm here for it, I guess. People are bringing their dogs anyways, right? I don't know.
Who's turning down dogs these days? Yeah, I don't know. Is there a place in the United States that says no dogs at a bar? Is that nice for dogs? They just want to be wherever.
Are there a bunch of dog beds and toys laying around? Is there loud music playing? Yeah, maybe it's like a cat cafe, but a dog-friendly bar. Right, right.
Kelsey, 26, interior designer from Brooklyn, New York. She wants a study empire building under Kris Jenner.
Oh, she wants to build an empire like Kris Jenner. Oh, loves to spend her summers in Martha's Vineyard.
That's nice. Kylie, 26, retail manager from Wilmington, North Carolina.
She lived in Uganda for four months, and her favorite movie is Pearl Harbor. Interesting.
And loves to run by things. I'm very interested in this Uganda period in her life.
This is a good combination of facts. Line dancing, Pearl Harbor, Uganda.

I honestly personally wish Pearl Harbor would have gotten more of the history of Pearl Harbor, less

the love story, but that's just

my take on the movie.

Alright, Latia, venture capitalist

from Salt Lake City, is an incredibly

fast swimmer. Loves a good

personality test.

By whose standards?

Loves being outside but hates hiking.

Like, truly loathes it.

Because she's such a fast swimmer. Why hike when you can swim? Exactly.
Why would you hike? I do think hiking is a bit overrated. Especially in LA.
People talk about hiking as if it's like some sort of... I mean Salt Lake City has got a lot of mountains like good hiking there.
Yeah, I'm sure. Natalie, love her.
Oh. From the jump.
PhD student. You love her.
In what we don't know. We don't know because it's not one of the facts.
And how committed is she really if she's got... She's from Louisville.
That's true. She's still a student.
She's not a breakfast person. Her love language is gift givings, and she's a Seattle Seahawks fan.
A lot going on there. Okay, Natalie.
Niecy. Niecy.
Pediatrician. We love.
We like a doctor.

We immediately love her from South Carolina.

Always wanted to be a spy. I get that.

Would love an invite to the annual

Kardashians. That means she's gonna spy on him.
That's all I hear.

She's gonna spy on him.

She wants an invite to the Kardashians

Christmas party. Okay.

Loves experimenting with different coffees.

I cannot relate. I feel like you find one

and you're good, right? Why would you?

I just like that she's a pediatrician. It's a

special kind of human that wants to deal with all those

See you next time. loves experimenting with different coffees.
I cannot relate. I feel like you find one and you're good, right? Why would you? I just like that she's a pediatrician.
It's a special kind of human that wants to deal with all those sick kids. And also, I feel like pediatrician is hard.
You gotta like... Yeah.
They are... I mean, after our pediatrician had to look in our daughter's ears one too many times, she hates him.
Oh, yeah. You know.
Get a lot of small people hating you. Parisa, pediatric.
There's a lot of pediatrics. This is our third pediatric.
This is our third. We had a speech therapist, a pediatrician, and now a pediatric behavior analyst.
They love the healthcare industry on The Bachelor. A lot of nurses typically, you know.
I mean, if they can get a doctorate, they'll take one. She has a rock collection.
I have a rock collection. You do? I do.
Is this like a... It's from when I was a kid, but I do like rocks and pretty things.
I took geology freshman year of college, and I thought it was going to be rocks for jocks. Hardest class ever.
It's a lot of memorization. I did not do well.
Yeah, it's a hard class. My professor was like, he just was all over the place, and I was like, what am I supposed to take notes on? So are rocks.
They're all over the place. That's true.
Yeah, we took a field trip. Doesn't she have an intense gaze? She does.
She's a whiz with PowerPoint. That track's based off her gaze.
She's just looking right at you. That's also talent to be able to be a whiz with PowerPoint.
And I wonder if she was nervous with the TikTok shutdown for the 12 hours. Was she like super high strung? She couldn't relax? That's true.
She had no way to relax. She had no way to relax at all.
In what world does TikTok make you relax? Organization content, she says. Oh, okay.
I do like the cooking videos. Radhika is an attorney in New York.
She brunches regularly. Oh.
That's expensive in New York. That means day drinking.
We all know what that means. Bucketless item is to kiss someone in the rain.
She is going to the right place. They will be pouring water on her and Grant in no time.
Oh, she likes Harry Potter. Yep.
I like that. Big fan.
Rebecca, 31, ICU nurse from Dallas. Has never met an animal she didn't like.
ICU nurse. That's intense.
That's intense. Always aims to be the best dressed person in the room.
Uh-oh. She's going to, we're going to have to see.
Yeah, she's going to have to prove it. It's giving potential freak out night one.
Yeah, of like, holy fuck. What are you wearing? On my season of The Bachelor.
So like, you know, all the contestants will like go to the producers. Like, do you like my dress? And so the producers, I refer to them as the friend who wants you to buy the boat.
Yes. You know? Yeah for good advice but they're they're there encourage you enthusiastically to you know whatever direction you want to go that are to make you feel good about it so like half the women came out in red dresses and you can you just knew that they were like this is the dress I want to wear and any other real friend would be like you know maybe different color so but they were all like for sure yes red so then they could all freak out about how they were wearing red dresses that's how the sausage is made that's how it's made and we have an rn rose i wonder if her name is a coincidence to her going on the show she admits she's a terrible dancer and thinks jul Andrews is the ghost.
Interesting. Fact.
That, gotta know more about that. A 27-year-old who likes Julie Andrews, there's a story there.
There is a story there. That's like Sound of Music, Mary Poppins.
Yeah. Great films.
Great films. Serafina, I feel like she has to be a mermaid.
Associate media director. Okay.
What is that? I don't know. Another fake joke.
She really wants to learn how to play tennis. Rocked a bob during her college years.
I know. There's a tennis court like in every neighborhood.
Has seen every episode of Grey's Anatomy at least three times. Interesting.
She must have a lot of free time because that is a lot of TV to have to watch. They still going they're still going correct also she's in New York there might not be a tennis court there's not a tennis court in every neighborhood in New York there's clubs alright Savannah wedding planner oh that's fun we got married in Savannah they to get married too.
She's from Charlottesville, Virginia.

She loves a competitive game of charades.

She doesn't like a non-competitive game of charades. Yeah, she wants everyone to be as invested as she is.

Yelling at each other, screaming.

Yeah, dreams of planning the Met Gala.

Oh, that's fun.

That is fun.

That's interesting.

Has a serious fear of owls.

What did they ever do to you?

Vicky, 28, nightclub server in Las Vegas.

Wow.

Takes pride in her calves of steel.

Okay.

Would love to see those.

Not herself without lip liner.

Her and our girl, who doesn't leave the house without lipstick, would get along.

Oh, yes.

And she wants to live on a vineyard in Italy.

Wow.

Me too.

Same.

All right.

And our last woman of Grant's season, Zoe, 27, tech engineer and model. Okay.
Beauty and brains. There we go.
Nothing makes her happier than puppies and babies. Oh.
Okay. Can't and won't live without tacos.
I won't ask her to. I won't ask her to either.
And honestly, I can't and I won't either.

Was the first female wrestler to join her high school

wrestling team.

That's pretty cool.

That's really cool.

Wow.

That's no joke.

Like real wrestling,

not the fake stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Call a flower ear.

Not WWF.

Who do we feel like

is our Grant's front runner?

Did anyone stand out to you?

I don't know.

No, you don't remember anyone.

I mean,

there's no wrong answer.

Um,

Thank you. Who do we feel like is our Grant's front runner? Did anyone stand out to you?

I don't know.

No, you don't remember anyone.

There's no wrong answer.

I mean, I'm kind of a sucker for like the pediatrician.

I feel like you have to go with Natalie because she's a PhD student.

You have to stick with your PhD-er.

I like Niecy.

Okay.

I'm going to call her right now.

Niecy.

Niecy.

Okay.

I feel like she's definitely.

But they all seemed lovely. Kelsey.
Juliana. Nisi.
Okay. I feel like she's definitely- But they all seemed lovely.

Kelsey.

Juliana.

Juliana.

Where's Grant live?

Currently lives in Texas.

Oh.

There was one girl from Dallas.

Okay.

So maybe that's-

I mean, you could move for love.

I would-

It has been done before?

Yeah.

I think.

Okay.

Well, you know.

A lot of these jobs could happen in a lot of places who's your villain oh boy ali joe oh you think it's the sparkles on her top i feel like ali joe because she's a boxing trainer is gonna have some beef with zoe because zoe was the wrestling team and wrestling and boxing i feel like kind of comb Yeah, combating. And as a boxing trainer, very vocal.
Very like, isn't afraid to speak up. That can definitely rub people the wrong way in a house like that.
Okay. Good guess.
They all live together? They all live together. Oh, for the duration.
I see. And bunk beds.
Well, until hometowns. Oh, then.
Okay. Because then it's all about love.
How much do you want to bet they're going to make Savannah, who has a serious fear of owls, do a photo shoot with owls?

Oh, that's sad.

Yeah.

See how she.

It's a good bet.

Operates under pressure.

Very stressful.

All right.

Well, we'll see.

Well, best of luck to all these ladies.

Sure.

I mean, I know their season's wrapped, but in our minds, we look forward to seeing how their love unfolds on Tuesday. How the journey goes.
What's on Monday night? We'll talk about it on Tuesday. Mayim, this has been so much fun.
Thank you for having me. Thank you for taking the time.
Really fun. Anything you want to plug, promote, put out there? Yeah, our podcast, Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, you can watch it.
We also have four cameras for our podcast, so you can watch it on my YouTube channel or Spotify or or wherever you get podcasts and our Instagrams at Bialik Breakdown. I think that's kind of it.
Yeah. Incredible.
Lovely. Well, thank you for taking the time.
Thank you. It's been so much fun to have you on.
Thank you. All right.
Well, that was a lot of fun with Mayim. We love a good Bachelor roundup, especially with someone who's never seen the show.
That's fun. We love her.
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Learn more at ov.coop and taste the difference. Billy, Rudy, welcome to the show.
It's great to finally have you on. It's great to be here.
It's good to now be into your arena. I feel like I'm a little bit of the driver's seat after being afraid of you guys for a long time.
Oh, brother. Thank you all.
We've been fans. After the second season, I watched when you had Tom Sandoval and some of the other cats on.
Did you watch the Tom Sandoval interview? I did. That one.
Trippy. That one made some waves.
Trippy. I liked his friend.
Oh, Schwartz. Schwartz.
Yeah. His friend has been looking after Tom for a while.
Yeah. Somebody has to.
Yeah, no kidding. Someone does.
That's what I got Billy for. He's looking after Billy.
I know that feeling. Yeah, I know.
It is so funny to have you guys here and just to see your real personalities. Yeah, I feel like y'all are so scary and intimidating and kind of like funny in a way just because it's so, the stuff that y'all come up with to say is so mean and so bizarre.
It's called humor. Yeah's funny.
It's called British humor. It's British humor.
Yeah. What has this season of Special Forces been like for y'all? It's been challenging.
It's been brutal. I use that word a lot, but it has.
And it gets more and more intense every time we do it. Not to take away from all the people yourselves your course but every time we do it does get more intense and the reason that is because we follow the ethos of the real special forces and every time we do a job a task a course we look at what could we've done to make it better generally that means make it harder and to get them it's all about getting the most out of the people that come on it that's what it's about and we look at we analyze every task we do everything we do and go right you know what we'll that didn't work too great this time let's add this so it's it's more intense i think and i think it works on both sides for us we we make it better if we can the camera people team who now you know get more experience look at they realize what worked and didn't what the court what they didn't so again it does the whole thing you know evolves literally to a better pace every time we do it not to say it's any the experience for the people on it is as odd as it always will be there's no compensation for anything male female weights everybody does exactly the same everyone carries the same.
Everyone carries the same. They don't play favorites.
It's really wild. And the weather does not discriminate.
The conditions don't discriminate. They all go through the same pain, misery, and suffering.
But it's also cool that you all are part of a lineage, just like in our world, our courses and our generations of operators.

It's a lineage. We're a part of

those that went before, and now the

younger warfighters have learned from us.

So it's the same thing.

It's very military. You're right.

Thinking about it now, Nick, you'll look at the

our course was harder than this.

It was tougher when we did it.

And everybody does the same.

When I first joined the Army, their selection was harder than ours. Their war fighting was harder than ours.
You're like, whatever. Now I'm doing it to the young generation.
Yeah. For my audience, can you guys talk a little bit about your background in terms of your military experience and the places you guys came from? Do you want me to go first? go first, brother.
Okay. So I'm up at Billy Billingham, British, born in the UK, born into a family of five in the West Midlands, a very poor family.
I was the middle child, which means I'm different. Middle children are different.
We are rogue and I was rogue. So where I grew up, um, it was all gangs at the time and I gravitated yeah seriously I gravitated towards that thinking that was you know those guys with a name in the street and everyone knew him and I thought I want to be like that guy of course looking back I was wrong but that's where I was going at the age of nine I joined a gang and I ended up stealing from an old man who kind of changed my life even at an early age.
Rather than giving me a good eye in, he took me to the side and said, listen, there's something about you. I want you to come to my boxing gym at the age of nine.
And I went, you know, if you could imagine a nine-year-old today doing what I did. You've got to think about this.
I stole from an old man who, rather than giving me an eye, tells me to go to a boxing club, which is in the pub, downtown, three miles from my house, in the snow in February, pitch black. I'm nine years old, walking down to meet an old man at the back of a pub that I stole a hat from.
He took me in the gym, taught me all about boxing. And I won't go too deep into all this, but what he said to me was, boxing is not a sport of brutality.
Boxing is a poor man's game of chess.

It's about reading what's in front of you,

having respect for what's in front of you,

having respect for yourself, the sport.

It's about anticipating the next move

and always being one step ahead.

And his final words to me said,

no matter how good you are or think you are,

you will have a moment where it's going to be hard

and you'll feel you can't do it.

You've got to say to yourself,

I can go always a little further and you will. And it's the reason we do what on the show.
20 years later, I joined the SAS on the clock tower, which is a tower where people's names go on if you don't survive. All my unfallen comrades are on there.
You know, you have to beat the clock. That's the saying.
On the day I joined the SAS, I went went and read the collect and the final words underneath was always a little further. And I went back to being nine years old and the air's on the back of my neck.
And that's my mantra. I've gone off at a tangent.
That's how I was growing up. 13, I got thrown out of school.
11, I was in juvenile court for being in a gang fighting. You know, I was shaming my family.
I was putting a lot of pressure on my mom and dad. And I knew I was.
You know, my mom, as every mom does, he got in with her own crowd. I was her own crowd.
I knew what I was doing. And kids do know.
So there's lesson one. Don't let people make excuses for you.
Own it. 11 in court.
13, I have a great idea in school to be the hero. I glued the maths teacher to the chair.
It didn't go down very well. True.
And I got thrown out of school. So my education stopped at 13 years old.
I ended up working in a factory illegally at 15, earning money. And then at 15 again, my whole life changed.
The fighting got out of control. I got stabbed and nearly died.
And when I was recovering from that, I remember looking at my mom and dad and my family who'd been told he's probably going to die. And I could hear everything going on inside my head, but I couldn't react to it.
And I just said to myself, I've got to change my life. I need new direction.
I've got to go to the military. So when I recovered a little bit later, it took a while.
Then I got injured working in a factory, which I won't go into. I then joined the army at 17 and the army, day one of joining the army, I'd left my hometown where I thought it was a big fish in a small pond.
I had a reputation. I was now stood in front of real men.
My instructor, I remember looking at him on day one. He had a big scar across his face.
He'd been shot in the Falklands. He was still healing, but there was an an awe of respect all around him.
And I remember looking at him on day one he had a big scar across his face he'd been shot in the Falklands he was still healing but there was an awe of respect all around him and I remember looking and thinking I want people to feel about me the way I feel about that man there and I said to myself this is going to be horrendous I was the youngest I was the skinniest and I was the mouthiest and I thought to myself there's no way I'm going out that gate unless they throw me out or I die. I've got to do this.
And that, and I did. And we started with 70, seven, zero, and we finished with seven.
And I was one of those seven. And then I had a great career with a parachute regiment, joined this regiment, joined, came to Belize, my very first trip.
I'd never been to America. Yeah.
I'd never been out been out my hometown i've never the only time i've ever seen an aircraft is when it flew overhead i've now been on an aircraft nine times and never landed once i've been thrown out the frigging door and then all of a sudden i'm landing in an aircraft in a place called belize central america now when i got told i'm going to my battalion and they're in America, that's all I heard.

I didn't hear Central America.

I just heard America.

I thought, ooh, chicks, sand beer.

This is it.

I've made it.

I'm coming to California.

Wrong.

So I called my mom and I said, mom, I'm going to America.

She said, that's fantastic.

Where about?

And I went, Central America.

She goes, oh, okay, calm down.

Central America.

Where exactly?

I went, Belize. She went, you clown.
you're going to the jungle I went what she said if you'd have gone to school and learnt geography you'd know where you're going so I ended up in Belize I have this and now came to America for the first time at 17 years old 18 years old and I went to Fort Lauderdale it was called there was a thing called the Strip Strip. Is it still the same? I don't know.
Yeah. Oh man, it was chaotic.
I was 17 and I was drunk as a skunk and obviously he's not supposed to drink till you're 21. I had a great time.
First trip to America. Followed these people who'd all been to war and conflict and I learned a lot from these people.
And then I climbed the ladder over a nine year period. I'd been in conflict myself now.
I'd led operations.

P.O.W.

I was, yeah.

That was later on though.

And then nine years, nine years I kind of reached my ceiling with that regiment who were

fantastic.

I'll say reached my ceiling.

I wanted more challenge.

I wanted to go somewhere different.

Didn't know a lot about special forces, which most people don't.

I knew enough to say it's a challenge.

I want to do it. So I did.
Went on selection in 92, beginning of 92. 283 of us started, seven of us finished.
And I went to a squadron called B Squadron, which is famous for the Iranian embassy. I don't know if you don't know all about that.
That was the first time special forces have ever heard of on TV and around the nation. So I went to that squadron and I had a wonderful career.
I did everything from hostage release to indicting people for war crimes to whatever and decorate by the queen a couple of times and stuff like that. But it was great.
It was just a wild, crazy career. That's incredible.
What does POW mean? Prisoner of War. Yeah, yeah.
I say Prisoner of War. I got kidnapped, taken, in Bosnia.
On the show, the final phase is to simulate potentially getting kidnapped. And Billy's instructing us, and we come to find out he's speaking from a real-life, personal experience while we're just kind of simulating it.
He's like, no, I literally know what it's like to be in this situation. And no two situations situations will ever be the same you know that you on the course to teach you how to resist and and and survive yeah that is one key element that is in every situation i guess but how people treat you is going to be never going to be the same okay no if you're in the wrong hands at the wrong time you how how did you end up getting out of those situations um i can't go too deep into it because of operational security but we ended up taking hostages of people who've taken me hostage at an eye level it was a meeting coming together where they'd taken me and someone else and I think they're going to use us as human shields put us in front of buildings that we friend of course was going to bomb so we didn't buy it i think that's what they were going to do but we ended up having control of some of their people and it was like you don't if you don't release them we're not releasing them it was all those sketches lucky very lucky so yeah that was my life and my military career and what about you rudy and you know listen to billy it always helps me reflect too and you know what we're a lot alike in this way for the things that we were missing in our childhood and the things that uh we desired uh to get out of our environment it shaped me poor family and a bastard son so i you know i never really had a family and i didn't know for my first seven, maybe eight years that I was somebody else's boy.
And I've come from a Mexican American family, a Catholic family. And, um, I'm 53 down in the border.
It's almost the culture's a hundred years in the past. So, um, I was always beaten up and picked on by my cousins and my mom was always humiliated by the family.
I didn't know, I didn't understand the dynamic. It's because she had me and my biological father was a Marine.
And I guess a great Marine. Two tours in Vietnam.
He was a horseman. He was a boxer.
I guess he had an amazing personality. I get some of his personality.
But after a second tour in Vietnam, he was not the same. And I believe he got on heroin out there.
And he was really never heard from again. And he was put away medication and never had a job again.
And that family is a Spanish family from Mexico. I found them later when I became successful.
I thought, I want to find out where I'm from. And my cousin is the district attorney of Austin.
I have a little sister who's a doctor. My uncle is a professor at UT of both Latin and European studies and leads tours in Italy.
Very high vibration people, but they were not happy to see me. They met me once, maybe because they see it as a shame or whatever.
And also they hate the Marine Corps and hate the military because they believe it took their son away. Needless to say, my military is my real family.
Even my other units. I mean, we had a get-together yesterday.
We had some Marines. We got freaking SAS, the Green Berets, the SEALs.
All the brothers get together. It's the same family because it's the same culture.
We care about each other. And we have been through a selection that we all know who's who in the zoo.
You never have to trust that that man to the left, the right can handle their sector. And if you go down, they can take over the mission.
It's an incredible sense of security knowing you with the best guys in the world. My Mexican family was poor.
So it was gangs, drugs, prison, domestic abuse. So I rebelled and was a good boy.
I rebelled and followed the rules, stayed in school, which was very hard because I went to many different schools because I was shuffled around different families, foster care, and then ultimately the Omaha Home for Boys. My brothers and I have two little brothers.
We were very sick by then. We had worms.
I had rainworm really bad, I guess, because my immune system was so down and hepatitis. I had to be hospitalized when all my teeth had rotten so bad that I might have lost an eye because the rod had got back there.
However, the fighting spirit of the human being is incredible. I was still working out.
It's not like I had coaches or trainers or anything, but I saw whatever freaking John Rambo was doing, whatever Rocky Balboa was doing. I was out at the park doing push-ups pull-ups.
And I just wanted to be a real man. I excelled in sport.
In the boys' home, the dean of boys was also an orphan, grew up there since five. And then he got his education and he's my wrestling coach.
And he was also, he did clown work like for the Shriners. And we would go to elderly homes.
Man, I got such education there, really. We'd go to elderly homes and do clown work and spend time with the elderly.
I learned by following the rules, training really hard, and exceeding standards, I got more privileges. I graduated high school.
I got an art scholarship because I used to paint and draw, but I could not take my little brothers with me. I opted out of school to then adopt my brothers at 18 because they're 16 and 15.
We went to work and washing dishes and working in restaurants and then construction. And then I started doing martial art.
I have always loved to do physical training because it makes me happy. The ethos of that childhood and of martial art is what led me to the military.
I never thought about actually pulling triggers and dropping bombs. There was a war in Kosovo and there was ethnic cleansing and there was a lot of suffering there and America was going to bring troops.
That's why I joined. I didn't know what I was going to do.
So I joined the Marine Corps as an infantryman to just do my part. I excelled so fast and did so well.
And by the way, it's really hard. You fail at everything.
You're always punished. You have none of your time is your own.
You don't even look your own. Your hair has got to be a certain way.
Your uniform has got to be a certain way. You are a nobody, which actually builds character.
I make it through selection. 300,000 Marines, there's only 300 billets for recon Marines.
There was no money in the 90s. We were not a part of SOCOM then.
So the standards were so high because they only got 300 billets around the world. When I went through my selection, we have captains, infantry commanders.
We've got staff sergeants who are already scout snipers and rangers and had trigger time in Somalia, drill instructors, seasoned guys. And I'm just, same as you know now, Mr.
Smiling, happy to be there. And it was really hard.
I didn't know proper soldiering yet. I was learning on the job, but I made it after a year long of selection.
And then I started going to schools and started making a reputation in my little team. Nothing's given to you in the military.
It's all earned. And I was in the Persian Gulf on a ship as a point man, junior guy on a five-man team.
My teammates are already Somalia veterans, Haiti veterans, scout snipers, rangers, and the towers were hit. And boom, that's when the world changed for this global war on terror.
And the sirens were going off. Seemed like 20 minutes I was listening to it, but it was probably only one second.
And we're called to our birthing. We're getting crypto for our radios.
We're getting explosives. We're getting spins for our arrows because we're about to get in a helicopter, getting ourselves together.
And it was just a roller coaster. And I'm doing the job.
70 kilometer movements, Billy. Oh, I'd never driven a Humvee before.
You know, we're cool always, if we can jump from the sky, we're if we can dive and no, I've got to drive a Humvee in bad guy country and then dig it in before the sun comes up. So then we patrol rucked up with our big rucks and bergens, full of communication, equipment, optics, laser designators, and then weapons.
And then hide in the mountain. And when the bad guys are coming through, hit them with the lasers, call in the close air support, shoot them with our weapons.
I did my duty. It was almost a blur because I was so busy.
Billy, do you remember in the old days before GPS was everything and when you had to coordinate? Navigate. Yeah.
And you had to navigate and coordinate with other units in zone and then with arrows, the air officers. And it was MGRS map with overlays, acetates.
Because of my artistry, brother, I was always in charge of doing the overlays because they look so sharp and the marginal information. All of our work is attention to detail.
It's not genius work. It's attention to detail.
Come back from that. Very excited to be alive.
In those old days, we never knew when we were coming home because there were expeditionary times. And shortly after being home, long before you civilians knew, we knew we were going to Iraq.
So we were already preparing for Iraq. And we went to Iraq, we went to Kuwait about three or four months prior training and then doing probing missions on the berm, you know, where we were going to make the breach.
And then it was on. I mean, that Iraq invasion, it was us, it was Brits, it was everybody.
And we hit a city in Nazaria. I think my unit had 100 men altogether, and that's to include mechanics, fuel techs, everybody admin.
We only had 60 fighters. And when we got to Nazaria, the infantry was being bogged down and getting hit and getting freaking tore up.
Do you remember those early days, Billy? Those really early days, there was those beautiful winds

and it was kind of cool

and it was kind of raining

those first few days.

And it was like Vietnam

because we're on the river,

the palm trees

and it's kind of raining

and the freaking cobras

are freaking firing,

hell fires

and it's getting on.

We're fighting too

and on the radio,

they're going to chop away all the team leaders because they're paramedics. When you become a team leader, we got to go to paramedic school.
And we've all done combat medic school, but paramedics, the higher level, and then our high-end medics go to a battlefield surgery school, which is a one-year program that condenses four years of medical school. We're going to split up our teams.
We're only

five men. We're going to split up teams into two or three to go rescue the guys.
I am actually really scared because my team leader is my hero. And I feel a little embarrassed because I know they're going to die.
Teams of two, oh, no armor. In those days, we were just driving Humvees that look like Jeeps going out on a holiday to Malibu.

Like there's no roots there's no armor there's no nothing just big guns and i was embarrassed that i was scared because he's gonna die and uh i'm scared how am i gonna handle this team we've only just begun this invasion and i'm i'm scared because i'm a little I think maybe I'm a coward. And so I said, man, Sean, this is fucking bullshit.
I'm going with you. And he says to me, and he's country as hell, Rudy, shut the fuck up, Rudy.
Are you a professional? And I was like, fuck, that's all I needed to hear because the mission has to continue. We chop our way through.
General Mattis says you know and i was like that's all i needed to hear because the mission has to continue we chop our way through general mattis says you know what recon lead the way and that's what we did chopped our way all the way to baghdad to crit back and somebody wrote a book i was still in the marine corps we can't we all came back from that invasion. I'm an instructor now,

and now I'm starting to have a little time with my family. A little town we'd never heard of called Fallujah is popping off, and Ramadi's popping off, the Sunni Triangle.
And they called me back, and it was bloody. It was heavy.
I mean, one day, I'll tell you all about that but uh roadside bombs suicide bombers uh suicide truck bombs and um and we had to fight and uh i really really got a lot of experience but it's also that was by then my second enlistment we're standing up marsoc so recon was now turning into special operations command because we were so effective for so little money. Reminds me of early SAS.
In World War II, no money, whatever. They made it happen.
I turned them down. I was mentally burned out, I think, from fighting and everything.
All of it. All of it was burned out.
And I got out, became a boxing and kickboxing coach, making a little money, doing seven,

eight hours a day, seven days a week, because we're used to working all the time.

Didn't talk to my wife anymore.

Still couldn't sleep.

Started drinking.

Never drank in my life.

Started drinking at 36.

Go to sleep.

And then I got saved by entertainment.

HBO calls and says, we're making a miniseries about your invasion, Generation Kill.

We'll be water survival. We're doing hand to hand.
All these freaking producer people are like, this is freaking savage. Rudy, we want you to come to Africa to teach and train.
I did. They couldn't find anybody to play me because you have to be fabulous.
You have to be Latino. This is their words, not mine.
Fabulous Latino. Absolutely jacked.
Yeah, jacked, flawless skin and hair. That's their words, not mine, right? Yes, it's mine.
So some of the cats that were auditioning. A great amount of humility.
Yeah, well, I mean, they were their words, right? I didn't even know I was handsome. I mean, I never, I was with the same woman since I was 19 years old.
So I saw some of the guys that were auditioning. They weren't quite getting it.
The production had me auditioned for myself, which wasn't easy. You crashed.
Well, at least I looked like the guy. At least I looked like the guy.
I got it. He failed being himself.
Oh bro. I, I, I did it, but it was hard.
Like any new skill, that's what got me entertainment. And mostly did survival work, did some film and TV.
And this has been the best thing to happen to me is SAS and Billy's program that he built. They reached out to me to come on the show in the UK.
And I was received, first of all, by the brothers. The UK was at first not down with me.
Now the UK loves me. But now it's also, it's a two-way street.
America's fallen in love with these guys. We're in America now.
And I mean, we're rolling strong, man. It's incredible.
So yeah, we both work in the veteran community. We both do nonprofits and charity.

Mine is Force Blue.

I rebuild coral reefs and do ocean conservation and put military men to work with our special combat dive and amphib skills.

We've now grown it to a children's program.

We train the children of the fallen to ocean conservation, and they work with that are their fathers who even knew their fathers, healing families. Now we're bringing our own kids out because really now as we're older, Billy will tell you, it's our family, our kids and our loved ones that it's all about.
So that's kind of where I'm at. Billy, you kind of got into entertainment as a bodyguard for some of the bigger A-list celebrities.
Yeah. So that's kind of where I'm at.
Billy, you kind of got into entertainment as a bodyguard for some of the bigger A-list celebrities. Yeah.
Is that accurate? Yeah, it is. I was here actually in LA.
I left the military. Prior to leaving the military like we all do, you kind of lost.
It's intimidating. I've been in the military for 27 years.
That's all I knew. Now I've got to get out and get a proper job.
And I didn't know what that meant. Sure.
I was like, how do I do this? And a friend of mine said, look, hey, can you help me out? We did a bit of moonlighting prior to stepping out. I did a bit.
A friend calls me up and he was running a security company. He said, could you do a bit of bodyguarding for me? I went, sure.
Ooh. And it was Tom Cruise.
So he was the first guy I looked after. I met Tom and I went, he's the deal.
You know, this is what I can do. What do you want? worked it worked good I thought this is okay I could do this continued with the rest of my military career for you know still trying to find my feet and then I got asked would you consider working with a family for security and I thought okay long story short I left the military that's a great story to tell one day how I left but I left the military and and ended up as the bodyguard for Brad and Angelina.
And yeah, spent 17 months or so with them all over the globe. A little bit of time here in LA, New York, Europe on different films and all that sort of stuff.
So yeah. And then my life changed again.
You know, actually Sean Penn, who is a very good friend of mine, invited me like he does, sends me a cryptic message to go to Barcelona.

And I'm like, for what?

And he wouldn't tell me.

And long story short, he got me a part in a movie called The Gunman.

I don't know if you've seen it.

You've got to watch it.

I know about it.

I'm going to watch it.

It's a good little movie.

It's a good little movie.

And Billy is awesome.

I don't act.

I'm not an actor.

I've got a script. And I'm like, what the forklift truck is this? I'm like, what am I supposed to be? I'm an actor.
All of a sudden, you know, with Aldous Alba and Mark Rylance and all these people. And I'm like, okay.
So we ended up in Barcelona. He gave me a script.
And I looked and I went, I wouldn't say that. He goes, well, what would you say? Fuck that script.
And I just did my own thing. And as you'll see, it's just me being me.
We're definitely going to like that. And I enjoyed it.
Yeah he goes well what would you say fuck that script and I just did my own thing and as you'll see

it's just me being me

we're definitely

gonna like that

and I enjoyed it

and you get to see me

semi-naked from the waist down

yeah

anyway

you'll have to watch it

so I got sort of introduced

going from this side of the camera

to that side of the camera

then I got asked

would I do

this show

would I do that

and I wasn't really interested

and then around about

2008 or nine,

a producer hounded me.

He says,

look,

we've got this show called Unbreakable.

We'd really like you to present it.

I'm like,

what is it?

He says,

it's about breaking people.

I went,

that wouldn't be too difficult.

He went,

no,

no,

no,

you don't understand.

I went,

really?

These are the fittest eight people in the UK,

six men,

two women.

I went, right. And what do you want me to do? He said, take them to the, six men, two women.
I went, right.

And what do you want me to do? I said, take them to the jungle and try and break them. I went, let me educate

to something. SAS guys

break in the jungle. I'll break

them and, no, no, no, no, you don't understand.

So we were going back and forth and I was a little

bit uncomfortable. I said, okay, no problem.

So I went out to the jungle, British

Guyana, never been to this place

before, not done any rec here, straight into the jungle.

And guess what?

40 minutes into it, I've broke all of them.

And then I look at them and go, oh, shit, now what do we do?

I went, yeah, what do we do?

And this program had to, you know, this was the first episode.

It was meant to last four days.

And I've smashed them all in 40 minutes.

So I then revive them all.

And they spend all day teaching them skills of living in the jungle and 20 minutes of each day screaming and shouting so they could get some footage so it kind of put me off you know the the fact that producers weren't listening and it made me uncomfortable and put me in a vulnerable position because i nearly killed these people i thought i don't like this and then i got asked and asked will you do this with i didn't want to do it all i wanted to do if i was going to do anything in front of a camera again was something with deprived kids yeah well i go spend time with deprived kids then take them into my world i've always wanted to do it you know to try and give back and nothing really came off but then i got asked a program's been put together called sas who dares wins and i won't boy to death with that but i got I be part of the team, initial team to do that? And I looked at it and I thought, the title put me off. There was no real direction.
They didn't know where it was going to go. So I said no.
So the first episode went out in the UK. Foxy was actually on it.
And the second series, it did well. I didn't watch it.
I don't watch TV. The producers hounded me and said, look, we're really wanting to come on the show.
I went, well, you don't even know me. Long story short, he came to my house in Hereford after putting the phone down in London, sat and told me what it was all about.
And it's not about 4DS. It's about the people.
It's about giving back. And then, okay, yeah, that sounds something I'd like.
And that's where it started for me. So I did SAS UK Series 2 and loved it.
And then just went with it kind of growing to what the program was the problems no one really knew still what it was about is it about just just punishing people is it about self-gain what is it and then i started to grow into the mirror rooms i believe is what the show is all about it really gets to the core of what's behind you yeah what we can do to help and now we grow but initially i hated it i hated the mirror rooms i got so angry in there i was about bunch people and all sorts of stuff i didn't know where it was going it turned into an argument but now i've grown with it and the program's evolved and and you know i've learned what the program is all about and then eventually the americans came across and watched it and said, right, we copy this. They came back to the U.S.
and copied the show and called it Selection, I think. And it failed.
It just didn't work. And then later on, after Rudy got brought on, towards the end, Rudy came across, replaced a guy that looked very much like Rudy, actually.
And then America got interested again. And then we then formed Special Forces, or Fox did.
And that's where we are today. And I love it.
And I love it because I get to make people like you cry. Yeah.
I'll get to use all the experience and knowledge that we've had over the years to give somebody an experience. And I always say to make a better version of themselves and you can tell us

what you got from it.

It's an experience I'll never forget.

I remember the mirror room.

It was the two of you in it.

And I,

I was definitely at my breaking point,

but it was at the point where you,

you,

you know,

you guys were kind of,

first you were playing bad cop.

You were kind of playing a little nice cop.

And at the end,

you gotta be nice cop with this guy.

Remember off jump, it was something like this brother and i was like damn you're boring me to death mate there's nothing about you there's nothing about you uh you're boring me shut up you're boring me and i'm like god so then of course i'm like hey young man it's okay it's okay young man but then at the end i was like what the fuck man and billy looked at me and he goes you can finish this if you want to you can do it and at that moment at that moment i was like i was ready to be done and oh where are you bro as soon as he told me i could finish i was like i'm not i'm not quitting and it's so wild nick we always run it down on the first day we get no dossiers on anybody we we don't know any of the recruits. And that's part of the magic because we don't need to know them.
We don't need to know their names. We don't need to know their brand.
We don't need to know their work. We don't need to know because we're going to find out the real you.
And they leave it up to us with our human intelligence background and our experience background. And we sure enough, get real thing with every single recruit and it's and it seems to really entertain audiences but that's not why we do it it's because they grow and when these people grow the audience grows too this show is really just beginning to bloom and it's for the people the recruits the mirror rooms really do family show.
It is a family show. A lot of parents with young kids will come up to me and they're the ones who, you know, like you don't know who's watching it, but it's a lot of families.
Out of that mirror room, you walk out of there standing tall. You've got the world off your shoulder.
You've got a name now. You've got something to go for.
But what took me a long time to realize is people watching that indirectly, there's thousands of young kids, particularly who will look and go, follow you. You're their role model.
I go, wow, if Nick can show his role model, I can. And I can tell you now, and he'll tell you the night the show goes out, no sort of mirror room things are covered.
Our phone's gone mental. A lot of young people who are in dark spaces.
That's right. And it really helps.

And I'll tell you what, it's a great feeling to know indirectly that show is so therapeutic

to so many people.

And you don't realize.

And what it is, the way the world is today, let's all be honest, the world's upside down.

It's a mess.

And people are looking at role models and direction.

And that show is, as you know, it's real.

It's not bullshit.

It's brutal.

It's so real.

And for a reason.

Now, I'll go back to your interview. I already knew where I was going to, we watch you, we watch every single one of you.
We're observing you always. Very close.
Every night, you never show on the, don't really show on the TV. We'll sit in the mirror, in the prayers, as we call it, prayers.
We go, right, Nick, how's it, right, okay, this is his strengths, this is where we think we're at. You were at break, I'll tell you now, you were about physically mentally emotionally felt you're done we knew you weren't done and if we didn't if we didn't do something rocking up your ass to give you that last little to prove that you could go further you would i think you would you probably wouldn't have got to the end oh no yeah you were at that point you felt you got enough out of it which you maybe you had but for us we knew you had more i use a tactic on you like my dad did on me my dad did well the day i joined the army my dad says you'll be home in no time and he goes he said and one thing that he said to me which i don't tell a lot of people about he said what happens if you get injured and i went then i get injured because what happens if you get killed and i went then you better me he says yeah me and your mom we bury you and I went to bed that night thinking I can't join the military jeez I can't put on my family but I thought you know what fuck you I'm gonna prove to you I can fucking do it that was the rocket I needed up my ass yeah every single day I wanted to quit I thought of those words yeah and he was at the end and my dad told me why he did it he says because i had not done that to you you'd had an option to come home and you'd have walked away and i would have yeah slightly different but i put so i put that on you to want to kind of hate me to give you that last little spark but two because we knew yeah we had you we had you you were a front runner by that yes you were you were almost gonna fall by the way had we had been soft with you know you'd have probably gone i'm done you're missing your family i think you were pregnant at the time yeah we all have small voices that can turn into an excuse that we can then say it's a method in all our mothers i saw everyone i saw to myself you

start like you start being like well like you said i did enough you know it's not a big deal yeah i don't want to get too hurt because i got to provide the excuse becomes a reason and then the reason is your way out and we can't do that brother we got to keep it a bit of waste for you to walk away at that point.

Oh, I mean, I...

For you.

Yeah.

And for us,

because we've got you

to this point now.

You need... do that brother we got to keep you guys in a waste for you to walk totally oh i mean i for you yeah and for us because we've got you to this point now you need that last bit and you weren't going to be a cuddly hey come on yeah get your ass out there and get on with it before we let you guys go we were talking last night and uh you you have five kids right six six five daughters five daughters yeah and you told a very personal story to me.
I'd love if you could share that night at the bar and your daughter pick you up. Well, I mean, it came about because we're talking about children and family.
And the most important thing in life is time. And you've got to make the most of it because we don't know how much we've got.
It became very apparent to me after this particular night. The story Nick's talking about about so one night um it was only about five six years ago i'm in town with a bunch of military guys and friends in a pub having a few beers and i like a lot of beer and i'd had a few too many so i couldn't drive so i called my daughter up and i said kaylee can you come and pick me up yeah dad no problem so kaylee comes down and I am a nightmare when we have drinks.
I have a thing called One for the Road. And it's a long fucking road.
So we drink for hours after. So my daughter's turned up, waiting to take me home.
And now three hours have gone past because I'm still drinking. And we're all having conversations.
You saw a little bit last night. And we're talking about military stuff I've done and this.
And people are like, how did you walk away from this? And all these stories. She's outside in the car.
She stood next to us in the bar waiting for me to leave. Quiet.
Just listening. So anyway, eventually we leave.
And we're in the car. She's driving me home.
And I'm kind of half drunk. And I look at her.
And I can see tears running down her face. And I'm like, I said, Kaylee, look, I'm sorry.
I kept you three hours longer. And she just looked at me and says, no, Dad.
I don't know you. I've just realized I don't know you.
Me and my sisters, we don't know you. I went, what do you mean? And she said, for three hours, I've just heard stories about my dad that none of us know anything about.
She says, I really feel, and I sobered up immediately, and I thought, wow. You know, because I I hadn't took the time because of the life I had in the military my life when I joined the SAS was constant war fighting for the whole time all over the globe you know I wasn't home a lot and the time I was home I didn't spend enough time with my kids and my family which I wish if I could turn back time I would I'd change it that's exactly what I would do.
I could never re-get that. But when she said those words to me, it sold me up immediately.
And I thought, wow, that led to me writing my memoirs down and actually writing a book. Because I've been asked many times, write a book.
I don't want to write a book. But I wrote my book, which I've given you, my autobiography.
I've cut out a lot of the military stuff. It's about who I was and why I was.

And it's everything, water and oil.

Being a bad kid, being an asshole, failing.

But that was the reason I did it that very

night. I went home, I sobered

up in her car, thinking about what she'd said

to me. And she was right.
The kids knew

nothing about my life.

And again, it led me

to, we always say,

let's do it tomorrow. And this is my lesson.
Never say, let's do it tomorrow. Do it.
If you're going to do something, fucking do it. I used to say to my father, my dad, when I joined the SES, he made out he didn't know I was in the SES.
He made out he didn't know anything about what I was doing. Well, actually he didn't because we didn't tell him.
I always said to him, when I got decorated by the queen and he turned up and he's listening to why I'm getting this medal from the Queen and my dad's looking at my mum going he did what? and mum's going I don't know he's never told me so he's listening to these stories and I said dad I'll tell you I'll come and have a beer with you and I'll tell you I'll come down next week of course next week comes by I didn't go down I didn't do it so on so forth and I never got around to doing it. Long story short, I get a phone call, middle of the night.
At the time, my mom had cancer, so I was expected to die anyway. But my dad had died.
So it was a complete shock to me. Whoa, whoa.
My dad's died? And then three weeks later, my mom died. And I never had the chance to sit down and tell them no stories.
And it was really lived in my head when my daughter said that to me. So the importance of time and doing the right thing and spending and saying what you really want to say when you've got the opportunity to do it, because that's what it was.
Well, thanks for sharing that, man. It's a great story.
It's a great lesson. And I could talk to you guys for hours.
I know you've got to get going. But it's an experience I'll never forget.
And I hope people keep watching Special Forces because it's so fun to watch. You learn a lot.
It's great to watch with your family. And yeah, it's been, like I said, I'll never forget it.
Thanks for having us, Nick. It's our pleasure.
You're part of that brotherhood and family now. Yeah.
Like the one lesson you'll take away from this is the camaraderie of you guys you know you met for the first time in this billet all watching each other and wondering and then all of a sudden that bond becomes really strong and it'll be like that forever now that's exactly like the military yeah we keep in touch and even we had you know brody brody you know it's almost like two different classes but you know they both went through their selection there's already a bond right now yeah that's a lunatic crazy family run by the inmates yeah that's right incredible well we appreciate you guys you're welcome likewise mate keep doing great things what you do likewise plug the show when's it on okay special forces world's toughest test tonight Wednesdays on Fox but all y'all working night jobs get on Hulu the next day and you can catch it streaming. There you go.
All right, see you later. All right, well, those guys are a trip.
Yeah, they have so many crazy stories. I feel like they...
Oh my God, yes. I could just talk to them for hours.
Yeah, it's hard to believe that the stuff that they do is real. It's just crazy stories.
Literal life and death. Rudy was a world champion kickboxer before he even entered the military.
It's like after he accomplished that. Anyways, it's crazy.
But it's so fun to have him. It definitely brings me back.
All right, well, let's wrap up with a little Southern hospitality. This show's pretty good.
Yeah. I locked in i feel like it it's emmy carrying emmy and will are carrying that's the only reason i'm tuned in right it's like see the like craziness of their relationship it's never good when you have two bros telling you how bad you are to your girlfriend yeah like never and the way that usually doesn't happen usually Usually the guys will like...

Got your back, man. Won't say anything.

And they're like, yeah, you're really a bad boyfriend.

You said awful things. Terrible.

Also the way that...

I mean, maybe that's just the way he acts

typically, but I feel like

I'm so in tune with

everything Nick does

that the second he breathes differently

I'm like, are you okay? Is something going on? And the way that he was being so weird sitting on that couch and she wasn't like, are you good? Like, what's going on? Why are you being so weird? Nothing. She just was like, anyways, give me a foot massage.
The foot massage. But like, you could tell he never does it.
She's like, really? And it's like, we're not even questioning that. Like, you know, and tell me what you guys talked about.
And then all of a sudden now you're willing to rub my feet? I just don't even remember.

It's just like a long day.

It's a long day.

It's like...

I'm going to go on a limb

and say they don't end up together.

Well, Will and Emmy

did not show up to the premiere party,

but...

Both of them?

Both of them didn't show up.

Okay.

But Emmy did clap back online

on Twitter saying like,

guys, you're with like the family.

It was nothing.

It was nothing.

It was nothing.

I'm just saying,

they're not built to last. Yeah.
You know, they're not. These are two people on different pages.
And if they do last, it's a bummer for Emmy. For love.
And love. Yeah.
Yeah. Bravo one.
Can we- Love zero. Get into the Joe Bradley and TJ drama.
Yeah, what do you think? I think TJ is messy. And I think what he did was really unfair to Joe Bradley.

I mean, I think of how many people we talk to on the show, you know, what does it mean

when he looks at my Instagram story?

It's just like, if you have a crush on someone, you read into every little thing.

And I just think it's a little unfair for TJ to project his crush onto Joe and then kind of softly accuse him. Not even softly.
No, I think he went and told a bunch of people that he thought he was gay. There's that.
And then saying he's let him on and things like that. And it's just like, you know, Joe seems like he consumes alcohol a decent amount.
Joey Bottles. Joey Bottles.
In his words, he was blacked out. I mean, I've never blacked out, but I know I have friends who've blacked out and they don't remember, they black out.
They don't remember anything. I mean, I have some friends in college where like they just became different people.
He said he blacked out, but then he also said he remembered like rolling over and cuddling. So that's where it's like, there's a little bit of a discrepancy in both stories.
Well, I feel like that whole situation, like him remembering that was probably him only remembering that because TJ brought it up to him. Maybe.
Like I feel like maybe if TJ would have never said anything about it, then he would have never remembered that he rolled over and put his arm around him. But I think because TJ went to him and was like, you cuddled me last night.
Then he's like, okay, well the explanation for that is I was blacked out. I'm used to sleeping with a girl i i like to cuddle like that doesn't mean anything you're you're smirking no i'm not smirking i i don't believe in accusing people of like what their sexuality is and tj is for sure messy but i can also see that there might be a world where like that friendship breakup in quotes is more blown out of proportion than it would be if it was literally just a friend breakup.
Yes. There might have been some emotional connection.
But that's from TJ's perspective though. Joe doesn't seem like he has a problem being his friend.
Joe won't even stand next to TJ in a room. Yeah.
Maybe that's because TJ's gotten so fucking weird around him. No, TJ's walked away every time.
Joe's come up to him and Will as they're talking and he tries and TJ walks off. But at Lake House, house, like even Joe's like avoiding him in the pool.
So I just see that there might be another world. Joe is really upset by this as well.
But I'm also like TJ's made it very clear that he doesn't want to be around Joe and walking away from him and telling all of their mutual friends he wants nothing to do with him. So why after 15 attempts, why would Joe continue? He's going to give him space and he's going to stay over there while you're hanging out in the pool with my girlfriend and can't be joe be upset because he lost a friend yeah he can be yeah he can be yeah yeah or also that maybe your friend wasn't who you thought they were because you had trust with them and then they're going around telling things about you that may not be true that may or may not be true what was the where's the continuity and tj telling joe that he was in love with him uh it's season two i haven't gotten there yet but that changes my perspective a little bit of like he knew TJ was crushing on him.
So for me, I would pull back at that point if I wasn't interested. Yeah.
That's where I know like this is not a friendship to him. But the thing is, like, I don't know where because I'm already seven, six or seven episodes in and it hasn't happened.
So that's where I'm like, this sounds like this is something that happens towards the end of a season, which would make sense why we're opening up this season with them not being friends at all. I just think TJ's real messy.
He's very messy. He's really messy.
He's really messy. But there is something to, and this is not like excusing TJ's actions whatsoever, but I do think it does open up a very interesting relationship dynamic between a gay person and a straight person being that close in friendships.
And when feelings get involved, it gets complicated. Well, sure.
Anytime feelings get involved, period, it gets complicated. But whether it's a gay person, a straight person, or a man and a woman who are both heterosexual and one person thinks they're friends, oftentimes when a man and a woman are seemingly platonic friends, there's often one person who feels a little bit differently about that, but the other person has the most pure of intentions and just wants to be their friend.
They just don't think of them romantically at all. And the person who has feelings, they start getting weird.
They start thinking, I don't know if I can hang around them anymore because they have feelings. But the person who just sees it as a friendship like you know what are they supposed to do and again they they value the friendship they could mourn the loss of a friendship but the way just the way tj delivers it is if joe was supposed to do something differently and his big moment is a time in which joe was blacked out which is just like okay well that's all you're going on and again it just a cuddles.
Is it that hard to believe that Joel rolled over, put his arm around whoever he was in bed with and it was, there's nothing to read into. I just also feel like we have to start normalizing, going directly to a person and having that conversation because the amount of drama and the amount of stuff where I'm like, hey, give it to me because I watch it.
But I'm like the amount of drama that's being created around a conversation that could have happened between two people come to a formal understanding. And it sounds like there was a conversation to where TJ admits his feelings and Joe says he doesn't reciprocate.
I don't know what the timeline of certain events are, but I'm like at that case, when somebody tells you who they are, what they think, what they feel, just believe that. Yeah.
It's also like why Maddie went to Emmy's house to be like, I need to tell her about this and then didn't even say anything. And it's like, yeah, what are these people do? How can you say you're friends with these people? If like you can't that the first thing I would do if I heard something about my friend is like go directly to my friend and ask that question.
It's like the way that none of these people can do that. And also what's so weird is that somebody did this to Maddie.
I think it was actually Joe did this to Maddie about her ex that was on the first two seasons saying that, you know, he's back cheating, whatever it was, and she blows up. But it's like at the end of the day, yes, sometimes hearing things that you don't want to believe makes you angry and you react and you're like, and you're in denial.
But a friend that wants to tell you something, there's no friend that you should have that's close to you that's trying to just ruin your relationship to ruin your relationship. Like, I'm sorry, I heard a piece of information.
I think everyone else is talking about it. You should also know about this.
And there's nothing wrong with that. But at the same time, it's shoot the messenger.
And then Nick, in your defense, I do see like TJ does, and I've only seen this season look desperate that he's reading into both Michaels and then also Joe Bradley. And he's making these into I don't like you, but then I do like you.
And now you're in the wrong, but like, I'm not in the wrong. I'm the victim.
But then also you did me wrong. So it's like, he's making these into I don't like you but then I do like you and now you're in the wrong but like I'm not in the wrong and I'm the victim but then also you did me wrong.
So it's like he's just messy at the end of the day. Yeah, it's like when his feelings are hurt he's immediately the victim in his own little world.
But he's good TV? He is good TV. My favorite the good character but bad character.
Lisa Barlow. Plays a good character on TV, maybe not have the most good character as a human.
Right. Yeah.
Okay. Also just like raised a little bit of concern where Emmy went up to Siobhan and was like pretty much just like, okay, like we're cool now.
And it was just like, okay, I love you. I love you.
Okay, bye. And I was just like, you just blew up at your work.
Also kind of fucked up of Lake to put them all in the same room. That too.
But then Michaels didn't want to be with Emmy. What bodies of water can be names other than river, ocean, cloud.
It's not a body of water. It is technically a body of water.
Evaporated. Storm.
Storm. I mean technically mean, technically the name, like, mar is ocean in Spanish.

So any, like, Maria, Mary.

Marsh.

Marsha.

Marsh.

Pond.

Reservoir.

Everglades.

That would be a beautiful name for a baby girl.

Pond.

Pond.

No.

Stream.

Swamp.

Swamp.

Lagoon.

Lagoon is kind of fun.

Lagoon.

Lagoon by all.

Rain. River and lagoon.
River and lagoon. Goonie.
Rain. That's a lot of people who have an R.
They do roads, river, rain. They're all in that.
Bayou. Bayou.
Bayou vial. Puddle.
Pudyss abyss uh fjord uh if bjork can be a name fjord atlantic atlantic is cute drought well that's pacific yeah that's cute though pacific vial mississippi waterfall forget how much I enjoyed that waterfall waterfall waterfall's cute. Yeah.
That's too long. Is that the first name or is that a first and middle name? Middle name.
Waterfall. Fish tank.
Fish tank. Estuary.
Fish tank. Aquarium.
Aquarium. Aquarium.
Aquarium. We're here for it.
I'm telling you. Stream could be cute.
Stream. Yeah.
Brackish. That's what you call a mix of salt and fresh water.
Mist. Mist.
Misty. Fog.
Breeze. Okay, I feel like this conversation is dying.
I like, I do like Lake. I think she's really cool.
She is cool. Yeah.
Her family is clearly. She's rich as fuck.
Yeah. She's rich as fuck.
She's well-traveled. Like.
Because she's rich as fuck. Because she's rich as fuck.
She's like, yeah, I just like studied art. Also, her art, pretty good.
It's not bad. And I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it.
If I'm going to spoil my kids, it's going to be giving them opportunities to go abroad. Yeah.
It will not be buying them cars after their name. She's being rich correctly.
Have you ever seen the movie Taken? Bodyguards. Billy.
Billy. We got a guy.
All right all right well that will do it for this episode thank you to our special guest mayam bialik and billy and rudy make sure to check out our special

going deeper episode with brody jenner that came out yesterday also check out reality recap

tuesday if you haven't it's a wild wild episode say hi to your friends we love you all right bye

see you monday bye Tuesday, if you haven't, it's a wild, wild episode. Say hi to your friends.
We love you. All right, bye.
See you Monday. Bye.
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