E872 - Bachelor Cast w/ Mayim Bialik, Baldoni Footage, Special Forces Billy + Rudy, LIB Split, and RHOBH

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Speaker 2 What's What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick, and

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 Justin released a video. We've officially reached the stage of people have cemented themselves in the position that they have.
It really feels like.

Speaker 2 If you're on Justin's team, it feels like every time he releases something, it seems like his side's like, oh, smoking gun. And then you have Blake.
What was the statement that Blake's team made?

Speaker 4 Her legal team slammed the It Ends With Outs footage and said, The video shows Mr.

Speaker 4 Baldoni repeatedly leaning in toward Miss Lively, attempting to kiss her, kissing her forehead, rubbing his face and mouth against her neck, flicking her lip with his thumb, caressing her, telling her how good she smells, and talking with her out of character.

Speaker 4 Every moment of this was improvised by Mr. Baldoni with no discussion or consent in advance and no intimacy coordinator present.
Mr.

Speaker 4 Baldoni was not only Miss Lively's co-star, but the director, the head of studio, and Miss Lively's boss.

Speaker 4 The video shows Miss Lively leaning away and repeatedly asking for the characters to just talk. Any woman who has been inappropriately touched in the workplace will recognize Miss Lively's discomfort.

Speaker 4 They will recognize her attempts at levity to try to deflect unwanted touching. No woman should have to take defensive measures to avoid being touched by their employer without their consent.

Speaker 1 I don't even think you need to be inappropriately touched in the workplace.

Speaker 1 I think any woman who's been in a bar and a man has like tried to dance with them or made advances, did anything that made you uncomfortable, and like i think a lot of women struggle with like embarrassing a man or like standing up for themselves and being like i don't want to be touched so they try to be as like polite as possible and be like that's why a lot of women say i have a boyfriend when most of the time they don't have a boyfriend because they don't want to give their number away you know like i think people are gonna read this how they want to you know i read this is definitely how Blake said it.

Speaker 1 You know, I see an uncomfortable woman who just is constantly trying to be like, I think we should talk. Let's just talk.

Speaker 1 Like if this part was supposed to be kissing and touching and neck smelling and whatever, then they would have had an intimacy coordinator because that's all intimacy.

Speaker 1 So I think Blake being like, let's just talk, let's have conversation. And I don't know, I see it how Blake says it.
I'm sure people are going to see it how Justin

Speaker 2 describes it. I get why his team released a video though.

Speaker 2 And it seems to be, you know, a continuation of their playbook because by releasing the video, it allows people to do what they're doing, which is to decide decide for themselves whether what they're seeing would make them uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 Right. And so now they're watching it and a lot of people are watching it maybe through the lens of, you know, putting themselves, imagining that they would be actors with Justin Beldoni.

Speaker 2 It's just like, well, I don't know. If I was doing a scene, like, I don't know, what is he doing? So bad.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's as if people expected to see a video, like short of them seeing a video of Justin like groping Blake or.

Speaker 2 you know, throwing his tongue down her throat and having her push him off, you know, and things like that.

Speaker 2 It's going to allow people to claim that she's overreacting or that they don't know what they are seeing. And I don't know what it's like to be in y'all's position.

Speaker 1 To reiterate what Natalie said, I'm like, it's also shocking that people don't understand that she's in a professional setting. So I'm like, at the end of the day, she's hired to do her job.

Speaker 1 You're not going to see her pushing him aggressively away. You're not going to see her cowering.
She knows that the camera is rolling.

Speaker 1 They're having conversation and she's trying to direct it back into the way that she wants the scene to go. But again, it's, it's another thing where it's his word versus hers.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you don't know what the inner monologue in her mind of if she was uncomfortable, what she was thinking, how she was feeling. And that wasn't being gauged.
So again,

Speaker 1 if I were in her shoes, I would have been fine, but you don't know what it was like to be in her shoes in that position.

Speaker 1 Also, it was interesting that, you know, this man who is all about women threw Ginny Slate's nose under the bus.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's catching shrapnel.

Speaker 4 Like, I've said multiple times that I'm Team Jenny Slate. And as soon as a stray got thrown at Jenny Slate that I mean that just put the nail in the coffin for me.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm sorry just not giving ally in the sense of you're gonna throw a co-worker's appearance a woman's appearance under the bus to validate your commentary that you extended about your nose.

Speaker 1 But who's also not even in the room?

Speaker 2 Who's not in the room?

Speaker 1 Who you hired? Who doesn't know that you've said this about her?

Speaker 2 Like all my friends I've talked to about this seem to have similar opinions than us. I mean, I would be interested to talk to someone who disagrees with us and their take.

Speaker 2 What I struggle with, and you all make obviously great points, but like, let's say

Speaker 2 we were a fly in the wall, right?

Speaker 2 And regardless of what Blake feels about Justin, that from our perspective, everything Justin did from this scene to the phone call to her trainer, the alleged comments about his porn addictions, let's say none of that would have offended us or made us feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 Let's say we were just like, I don't know, I don't see what the big deal is.

Speaker 2 What I still struggle with is is the, what seems to be like really concrete evidence of Justin's intentions to, in his team's words, destroy Blake and attack her credibility and hire this crisis PR team and hire this team.

Speaker 2 Again, that like clearly laid out their roadmap of how they plan to go about doing exactly what they're doing online. And that's the part I struggle with.
It's like the retaliation part.

Speaker 2 Even if you disagree with her interpretation of everything, what seems to be clear is his spitefulness and his willingness to invest and spend a lot of money on retaliating against Blake.

Speaker 2 And to me, that's the part that she is fighting the most. Back to what I said on Tuesday, it seems like Wayfair fronted the money.
Wayfair made the most money. It sure seems like to me that.

Speaker 2 She had the most to lose and very little to gain. You know, when this all happened in August and the internet turned against Blake, we said what we said, everyone told us we were wrong.

Speaker 2 And then we all kind of, we all moved on, you know, everyone kind of moved on. The movie came out, you know, it was, it was done.
And then obviously this all came up and reignited this whole thing.

Speaker 2 But, you know, it seemed like her desire, I would think to fight this, like she had to just figure out like, what was she going to gain from this?

Speaker 2 Because you would think bringing attention to this and causing the drama would, again, make the movie more popular, make Justin and Wayfair more money.

Speaker 2 What was she going to get out of it other than just to, you know, defend herself? And clearly, like, this has cost her a ton.

Speaker 2 For the people who are just like vehemently against her in writing for Justin, how do you answer those questions? That's what I struggle with.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you'll have plenty of

Speaker 1 time.

Speaker 2 I'm sure the shows will have no problem arguing with me, but they don't really, they're just telling us how wrong we are. They just tell us that, like, oh, we need to read the complaints.

Speaker 2 We've read all the complaints, including the Stephanie Jones one, which no one's talking about, which includes so many text messaging conversations that, like, from my point of view, seem fairly damning against Justin and his team.

Speaker 2 But I don't know. People clearly are cherry-picking.
People have clearly decided where they stand. I don't know.

Speaker 5 Beldoni's team is also planning to make a website now with relevant videos and correspondence to the lawsuit, which is interesting.

Speaker 2 But like these relevant videos, like one, one text message that was talked about all over the internet was this text message from Blake to Justin where she like, you know, kind of bizarrely claims that she's like this Game of Thrones fan and there's this, you know, implication that she's alleging Taylor Swift is one of her dragons and things like that.

Speaker 2 And yeah, like when you read it, it kind of like, it seems a little kooky, maybe a little weird, but everyone's just focusing on that and deciding that like what they think of Blake is the person.

Speaker 2 And again, like, I don't know. It seems like people are losing sight of that.

Speaker 2 I do know that like going forward, If you are a woman in the workplace and you feel uncomfortable from a man in power, what is going on right now i don't see how any woman going forward would feel comfortable speaking up because clearly there is a very clear playbook now to how to fight against that i don't know we feel how we feel again my my opinion is strongly based off my interactions with justin yeah i i don't i don't know what else we got ashley and tyler from love is blind last season are officially split

Speaker 1 it's sad because i feel like she really she wanted to believe in that relationship yeah and also i feel like she really was trying to like prove to the haters that like they're good.

Speaker 1 I feel like the world, the internet was against their relationship and they were constantly trying to like poke holes in it and be like, well, he's a liar and he did this and he did that, obviously not being behind closed doors with them.

Speaker 1 And I feel like she really tried to like fight that and like put that on the back burner. And I mean, obviously we don't know what happened, but it is sad that they're broken up.

Speaker 2 They are awfully quiet.

Speaker 1 I do know that neither of them want to comment on it going forward, other than the comment that Ashley made, which was pretty vague and generic i was going to say she did do a statement to people if we want to read it it was like she made a difficult decision what was it was after much reflection i want to share that tyler and i have been separated for several weeks and have now made the difficult decision to end our marriage While I had hoped for mutual understanding and transparency in our relationship, it has become clear that our paths are no longer aligned, making it impossible for me to continue in this marriage.

Speaker 1 This was not a decision I made lightly, but one I know is necessary for my own growth and peace. While this chapter is ending, I will always hold respect for the time and love we we shared.

Speaker 1 I kindly ask for privacy during this deeply personal time as I focus on healing and building a new future. Thank you for your understanding and support.

Speaker 2 Based on that, it sounds like she caught him in a lie.

Speaker 1 And it seems like whatever she was trying to like protect and he's not making it any easier.

Speaker 2 She wrote hard for him. She came on this show and she, you know, she was fighting with the entire internet.
And

Speaker 2 she was very adamant about believing him and trusting him. Giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 So it probably didn't even have to be a big lie. It just probably was just another little, who knows? Who knows? Or maybe it was a big lie.

Speaker 2 I don't know. But they are over.

Speaker 1 Wishing them both the best.

Speaker 4 Well, speaking of another relationship that the internet has strong feelings about, Justin Bieber claims someone unfollowed his wife, Haley.

Speaker 2 Someone liked him. You don't believe him.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 1 it's in quotes.

Speaker 4 Do you think that's why I was just putting emphasis on the quote? It was my dialect.

Speaker 1 Do you think the same person who he's alleging unfollowed Haley was the same person that liked the posts from Beyoncé's mom

Speaker 1 and commented that from Josh Allen's?

Speaker 2 There is one freak out there.

Speaker 6 We got to get it.

Speaker 2 I just want to point out that

Speaker 2 how many people on this team have access to my Instagram? I do. One, two, Zach, you might.
I don't know, three or four people. Yeah, but like I put a lot of trust in you guys.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, I go until

Speaker 1 he does also.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying, like, it's not that crazy to think that he has a team.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure someone has access to this baby. And, like, I know that River will touch my phone.
And I'm like, oh my God, how did you get? How are you DMing this person?

Speaker 1 You know, or how are you liking this photo? Or how are you on Google searching that?

Speaker 5 You know, what are the odds that a River grabs your phone and unfollows Nick, though?

Speaker 2 You know, they could be slim.

Speaker 1 They also could not be. She's very sometimes.

Speaker 2 I will say things happen and you're like, fuck. If she turned on.

Speaker 2 out, no one would believe that, right?

Speaker 1 She turned on the, what is it called on the TV in the US?

Speaker 2 She likes buttons. She loves buttons.
She's drawn, like, we don't give her any screen time, but she will always. She turned on on the TV.

Speaker 1 I know she turned on the TV.

Speaker 2 She turned on this.

Speaker 2 It's so annoying. She turned on, it's really fucking annoying because I can't figure out how to turn it off.
It's like the voice command.

Speaker 2 So every button you push, it's like Netflix, and it's a computer, like volume 24, volume 25, volume 26, volume 27, volume. And then you try to turn it on, volume 24, 24, 20, 23.
You're like, fuck!

Speaker 4 Maybe she's an auditory learner.

Speaker 2 Maybe, but I can't figure out how to turn this thing

Speaker 2 off.

Speaker 1 She might know. I know.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty good with tech.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty good.

Speaker 2 It's a it's um so I think Jack did it.

Speaker 1 That's my Jack the Baby?

Speaker 2 Jack the baby. Jack the baby.
Jack Blue.

Speaker 4 Are people just I don't think Justin Bieber got in a fight with Haley and unfollowed her out of no well Haley then posted in a carousel a picture of Justin sleeping to be like my man's still here taking a nap.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I know Wait, so he was taking a nap while the story was posted.

Speaker 4 This is later. Haley, then, after all of this, and everyone's like, they hate each other, they're getting a divorce.

Speaker 2 Um, I feel so bad for him every little thing, every move.

Speaker 1 I know, they step outside, he didn't dress up enough, they're getting a divorce, he doesn't know what it means.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's walking over the door while he's supporting her at her event, but yes, no, he hates her. It's like you can't, they can't

Speaker 2 even be genuine because they there's they must be so in their head about how the internet expects them to act.

Speaker 4 If I was them, I would literally log off and never show my face again.

Speaker 2 So proud of them.

Speaker 1 You know who I'll log off and never show their face again? Tell me who. Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 4 Ooh, speaking of oligarchs,

Speaker 2 I am definitely over the oligarch.

Speaker 1 Mark Zuckerberg, full on, was checking out Lauren Sanchez's Jeff Bezos' wife's chest during the inauguration.

Speaker 2 Do you think he thought she was hot or not? Ooh. That was good.

Speaker 4 This is a real social network situation.

Speaker 2 That was the first app he created. Oh, Hotternot? That's in the MySpace days.

Speaker 1 It was like, I was on the brink of MySpace.

Speaker 4 I want Lauren Sanchez to do Rooney Mara's entire monologue at the beginning of the social network.

Speaker 2 Do you think Jeff called him up and was like, bro?

Speaker 1 Did you see the photo of him, Mark, with his wife? And he's like on his phone. And you can tell he's like, no, babe, it's the angle.

Speaker 1 Like, if you would zoom in, you could see my eyes are looking across her, not at her.

Speaker 2 He was like, I was running an algorithm, and I was like deep in thought.

Speaker 5 Have we not learned peripherals exist for reason? Give it a glance, look away.

Speaker 2 He was staring. I think the whole thing is a still photo.
So it's

Speaker 2 twice in the video.

Speaker 1 In the video, yeah, he definitely looked.

Speaker 2 He's top in a look.

Speaker 4 Yeah. This really is an example of how when someone is hot looking at your boobs, it's great.
And when that someone is Mark Zuckerberg, no.

Speaker 2 No. No.

Speaker 1 Somebody called it yosticide, and I just can't not think of it that way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no. He just pulled him in.

Speaker 1 He got real happy, and then he was like, just one more. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The force is strong.

Speaker 4 It's crazy that his face looks that melted. Anyway, ASAP Rocky refuses plea deal, faces maximum of 24 years as trial opens on charges.

Speaker 2 He fired a gun at former friend.

Speaker 1 Isn't his defense that it was like not a real gun or something?

Speaker 2 That he carries a prop gun for like self-defense. Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's what his attorneys are saying.

Speaker 2 And then, but it fired.

Speaker 5 So those details we don't know. Basically, the judges, like, he's strong on, like, we're not going to let fame protect this man.
Like, we need a quick, speedy trial.

Speaker 2 Well, it's crazy. I mean, he was given a plea deal of six months in prison.
I imagine if he was well-behaved, that would be even less. And he's like, fuck that.
Let's go to court.

Speaker 2 And he's facing up to 24 years in prison. That's a big bet.
That is a big fucking bet.

Speaker 1 Especially for having two kids, two small children at home.

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, I'm not saying I'm in no position to say, hey, just do the time. I don't know what it's like to go to prison.
I can't imagine. It's fun.
But again, that's a, it's a, it's a big bet.

Speaker 1 To explain the starter pistol is what he says that he has, which is a gun that's usually carried as a prop by secure for security purposes, but it makes a loud noise instead of firing bullets and is used for starting races is what a starter pistol is what he's claiming he was holding.

Speaker 2 Like a blank. Oh, yeah.
Is there any evidence to the contrary?

Speaker 1 There is video evidence. I'm pretty positive.
And another still frames. I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, and also I don't know how a starter pistol works in the sense of does it fire off a blank or is it just a loud noise?

Speaker 1 Well, they clearly think that they have a strong enough case to go to trial and like put him on the stand in front of jurors.

Speaker 2 I don't think anyone would think that 24 years in prison would be a fair punishment for this alleged crime, regardless.

Speaker 2 So I do think it's ironic that the judge is pointing out that Aesop is not going to get any favoritism

Speaker 2 because of his celebrity. But it's well known that district attorneys and politicians will go after public figures to set an example to make a name for themselves.

Speaker 4 Martha Stewart.

Speaker 2 Martha Stewart. Yeah.
You know, that's, this happens all the time. So it's a, it's a bit hypocritical given the potential length of time he would have to face.
Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I feel like six months for accidentally firing a gun would be like the max. Yeah.
You know, no one got hurt.

Speaker 4 I worked on an ASAP rocky music video as a PA one time.

Speaker 1 And I will say I gave him a water bottle.

Speaker 4 That man, beautiful, incredible teeth.

Speaker 1 So don't put anything in the middle of the menu.

Speaker 1 He would have to smile at the jurors.

Speaker 2 Was he nice?

Speaker 1 And they would be like, yeah.

Speaker 4 He said, I said, would you like a water? And he said, no, thank you, but thank you. And I was like, not a double thank you.
And I was like, oh my God, I understand you, Rihanna, in every single level.

Speaker 2 It does, it does.

Speaker 5 Rocky told a judge he respectfully declined.

Speaker 2 So he's a gentleman.

Speaker 1 He's a gentleman.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
I

Speaker 2 just not the guy you guys should be going after.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I feel like there are a lot worse things happening right now.

Speaker 2 Team ASAP and Rihanna. Fuck this judge.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Also, hey, ASAP Rocky released the music video that I worked on because it was really cool and it's just still not out.

Speaker 2 Is a song out? No.

Speaker 4 Anyway.

Speaker 2 Do you even know the name?

Speaker 4 Yes, but I don't want to like say it. I sent an NDA.
Out of respect. I sent an NDA.

Speaker 2 Okay. They didn't pay me, but I sent an NDA.

Speaker 5 You know who we need to come after or go after?

Speaker 2 Who? Girl Scout cookies. Oh, fuck them.

Speaker 1 Why are we going after the kids?

Speaker 5 So there's this story that just came out of this woman who's a manager of a team and one of her like employees below her was selling Girl Scout cookies for his daughter.

Speaker 5 She basically asked the person, like, I have celiacs disease. Are there any cookies that don't have like gluten in them? Like, I just want to make sure.
He was like, no.

Speaker 2 They're Girl Scout cookies. They're Girl Scout cookies.

Speaker 5 She didn't buy them. And basically, he started going around behind her back and calling her stingy, comparing her to like the previous boss or manager that would buy cookies.

Speaker 5 And to me, I'm just like, okay.

Speaker 2 This guy's a fucking bully. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you can't say fuck them kids because it wasn't the kids.

Speaker 2 It was the dad of the kid. Yeah.
Sorry.

Speaker 4 I was quoting doja cat i was quoting doja cat and asap rock protect the kids

Speaker 2 yeah protect the kids yeah no it seems like the dad it seems like this woman um actually hates young female entrepreneurs i also do think there's still a group of people who think like gluten allergies are a crock of shit and so i feel like maybe he heard like i'm learning a gluten and he was like just stingy bitch but also i don't want to buy your fucking cookies maybe he got off a four-day water cleanse and decided to not eat sugar for a while and realizing that if he were going to buy the cookies, he would fucking eat them.

Speaker 2 Just because you have a fucking kid. And listen, if River wants to join Girl Scouts and sell Girl Scout cookies, we'll do the parental thing and go around and ask people want to buy the cookies.

Speaker 2 But I'm not going to stomp my feet and storm off if someone says no and act like they're a monster because they don't want to like support my child.

Speaker 2 It'll be a great opportunity to teach my kid disappointment.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, I'm such a sucker for Girl Scout cookies. Even if I'm not a kid,

Speaker 2 this guy's a terrible parent.

Speaker 2 She also could have been like, i'll buy the cookies but i don't want the cookies yeah she doesn't have to buy the cookies though yeah she doesn't have to but i'm just like you know buy a ball it's not your it's not it's no one's job to support your kid i don't cook for your kid who give there's a million people out there it's not my job to support your kid hey she's not the the kids aren't doing this to like buy a range room the kid's not even there no the parent no this is i i'm guaranteed this is one of those parents that goes around this this this parent does their kids science project for sure because

Speaker 2 they want to put their kids like fucking gold star on their fridge and they want to go to their friends' parties and brag about their kids because they sold the most fucking cookies.

Speaker 2 Give me a F word break.

Speaker 1 The F-word is flying out of your mouth.

Speaker 2 Because I hate parents like this.

Speaker 1 I just thought you were really passionate about Girl Scout cookies.

Speaker 2 No, I'm passionate about parents who use their kids to make other people feel bad because I don't want to buy your cookies.

Speaker 5 Do you buy them outside of the grocery store?

Speaker 2 I've bought plenty of Girl Scout cookies because I love Girl Scout cookies and I'm happy to support, but it's not my job or responsibility to do that.

Speaker 2 Like, people are acting like we're donating to like a tragedy.

Speaker 4 If it was 2009, this would be made into a movie with Melissa McCarthy and Vince Vaughn, and it would make $10 million.

Speaker 2 They already made that movie. Did they? About Girl Scout cookies.
It's a smart movie about Girl Scout cookies, yeah. What's the movie? See, I'm so smart.

Speaker 2 The boss or something, and it's like competing Girl Scout groups that like have to sell money.

Speaker 5 Oh, yes.

Speaker 4 Did you not know and they have like a full five i think maybe subconsciously i did but i think i'm just maybe an incredible casting director and have a visionary um vision that's what i'm saying and does she play a bossy she troop leader she turns the girl scout group that's like unpopular into like a multi-million dollar company so i mean yeah i mean they also did troop veterans five stars out of ten on imdb so okay well going back to nick and i'm sorry for my f words imdb scores i don't care

Speaker 2 clearly you can't listen to this with your kids in the car

Speaker 5 I did ask a Girl Scout once. I went up to her table and they're expensive, first of all.
So I was like, if I'm going to pay $7 for a box now when it used to be $4,

Speaker 5 I'm going to ask you about the cookie. I was like, is this the original formula of the lemonade cookies?

Speaker 1 Justin,

Speaker 2 she was born six years ago.

Speaker 2 She gave me a speech of...

Speaker 2 You asked the kid this? Yes, I did. Okay, you're a mom.

Speaker 1 The kid's like, you asked if this is the original.

Speaker 5 I was being nice, and I also wanted to know if all the icing was still on the cookie.

Speaker 2 To be clear, clarified, I think it is strictly based on the fact that this, this is an adult, a conversation between two adults, and a kid wasn't present.

Speaker 2 And this is an adult who showed up to work and demanded all of his coworkers buy his kids' cookies.

Speaker 4 I think this is the funniest beef.

Speaker 1 Well, what if, like, the kid couldn't, what if no one was buying the kids' cookies?

Speaker 1 And the dad was like, you know what, honey, like, I'll take them to work, and there's a bunch of people there, and they're going to support you, honey. It's all right.
Don't worry.

Speaker 1 Like, we'll get you the, we'll get you the, the, whatever you get when you, when you sell all your cookies.

Speaker 2 Okay, and then that's what happens, like then he should have bought them himself.

Speaker 1 He's just trying to help his kid out. Sure, great.

Speaker 2 No, help your kid out. But when one person, whether they have celiac disease or they just don't want a cookie, like

Speaker 1 he was talking shit about her.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you don't get to go around and like start talking shit just because they don't want to buy your kid's cookie. Ask another person.

Speaker 4 Girl Scouts of America are not lacking in any funds. They have a partnership with Native Deodorant.

Speaker 2 Go hang out outside of the vending machine and wait for the person

Speaker 2 whose cookie gets caught in the vending machine. They lose their fucking mind.
They start shaking it. Go some

Speaker 2 person.

Speaker 2 Tresca, like he lay off the person who doesn't want to eat your cookies.

Speaker 4 This man should be teaching his daughter how to scheme.

Speaker 2 I'm strictly off sugar if you're a kid. He's getting people to buy their cookies.
I can tell.

Speaker 5 To answer your question, Natalie, she gave me a long speech on nonsense, but then I bought two boxes.

Speaker 2 I was like, good for you, girl. Good for her.

Speaker 2 Nonsense. So you were testing her.
As a former boy Boy Scout, I was like, I know the hustle. And I was like, let me just hear because inflation has made these cookies expensive.

Speaker 2 And she got more money out of it. Your intentions were pure.
Yes, they were. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, some unpure intentions. Andy Cohen wants Lisa Vanderpump to return for Real Houseways of Beverly Hills season 15.

Speaker 5 It makes sense, but keep her off.

Speaker 2 From a TV standpoint, I hate that I agree with it. I don't think she deserves any more TV time.
I think Kyle would literally implode.

Speaker 2 She would have an aneurysm on and for that reason alone, I'm kind of into it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I feel like this whole episode could have been avoided if all

Speaker 2 maybe it's this every housewife fight, but it's, it's, all it takes is, listen, I'm sorry. My intentions weren't to hurt you.

Speaker 2 My intentions weren't to be disrespectful or go behind your back, but I do understand how it can come that way, Darit. And I'd certainly, you know, but Kyle just can't do that.

Speaker 2 She just can't just acknowledge that like Darit has every right to be upset, regardless of what Kyle meant or what actually was texted. Like, she's supposed to be your friend.

Speaker 2 Like, they're going through a divorce. You've admitted it would bother you.
What am I missing?

Speaker 1 I think also Kyle being like, you know, telling, I don't know if it was Bose or more of the woman, but she was like, she's always been fine with me texting him.

Speaker 1 And like, now all of a sudden she's not. And it's like, well, yeah, now all of a sudden they're separated.

Speaker 1 So like, of course, she would not be okay with you continuing to talk to him yeah big difference yeah big difference yeah kyle also like notoriously never apologizes and she's so used to having like a girl gang behind her that's like don't talk about kyle don't say this

Speaker 1 and it's like you're kind of seeing the lone wolf and erica like still standing by kyle where it's like if she read that message about your ex-husband would you not want to know what you haven't shared or what you will always keep secret because that's that's weird verbiage

Speaker 2 and uh erica's erica's only motive is because like obviously she went through what she went through and she was pretty wrong

Speaker 2 especially when it came to the earrings and she never wanted to acknowledge that so her whole motive is because she didn't want to acknowledge her wrongdoing and that's the only reason why she seemingly is backing kyle is to is is for is to protect herself i respect herself serving i respect her though what do you

Speaker 2 well because she's like

Speaker 5 in saying it she's like i don't want someone to be like ganged up on on like a group of women when it's like I was in that position as well.

Speaker 1 I definitely think it was wrong of Bose to be like, read the text because it's not for Bo. Like, she needs to be like, you need to go read the text to Dari.

Speaker 1 Like, Kyle should not have opened up the phone at Chuck E. Cheese.

Speaker 1 She should have immediately, if like, if she was ever going to read this text, it should have been with a sit-down with her and Dari and she should have read Dari the text.

Speaker 1 I mean, for Bose to be like, why don't you read me the text?

Speaker 2 It's like, well, Bose, like, yeah, it's, it's Kyle showed up at her house post-surgery to try to manipulate Bose into believing her. Kyle's the one who in the surgery was.

Speaker 1 That was definitely a producer thing. That was not Kyle being like, I want to go right after her surgery.

Speaker 2 It's all, I mean, either way, either way,

Speaker 2 fine, forget about post-surgery. Kyle went to Bose to try to get Bose on her side, and

Speaker 2 she's the one who brought Bose into the drama. And Bose isn't buying Kyle's bullshit.

Speaker 2 And so, yeah, is it a little messy for Bose to say, show me the text? But again, Kyle is adamantly trying to convince these women that she's not wrong and to take her side. And they're not buying it.

Speaker 2 So they're like, well, fine, prove it to us. If you want us to, if you want us to back you up and believe you, you have to show us, you know, so I don't know.
I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 1 And I feel like Bo said something just like about just like working like in the workplace and like whatnot, whereas like this type of reaction, not only is it giving guilty, but it's also like, just be able to stand still and have a conversation about it.

Speaker 1 The bigger the reaction, the more you seem guilty because it's like you're trying to deflect from what's being said when it's as simple. I don't think what I said was wrong.

Speaker 1 But instead, it's like, let's blow up. Let's make a whole thing so we don't have to continue this conversation anymore.
And it's just like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's, it's just the deflection for me where I'm like, exactly what you said. This could have been solely handled with a singular conversation between two people.

Speaker 1 And instead, you're reading text messages.

Speaker 2 And it wasn't that hard.

Speaker 2 I'm really sorry. I got your back going forward.
That was wrong of me. If it were me, I'd be upset.
So I totally get it. End of conversation.
That's literally all that has to be said.

Speaker 5 She did blame production too, which was interesting.

Speaker 2 That was interesting.

Speaker 1 She said it was because of all of this. And it's like, then why wouldn't you say it?

Speaker 1 Every single one of those housewives were like, nope, I have sent text messages being like, I can't say what you said on camera or I won't do this in front of production.

Speaker 1 And it's like, for you to leave that little bit out in your message to PK, it's suspect.

Speaker 2 Regardless of our success, do you think we'll ever buy our kids a luxury car?

Speaker 1 Only if our daughter's name was Mercedes or Range Rover.

Speaker 4 Range Rover would be a beautiful name for a baby girl.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, they had to get her a Porsche. Her name name was Porsche.

Speaker 2 They had to? Yeah. Well, she just gotten a job.

Speaker 5 I hate that. It makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 It makes so much sense. Yeah.
Yeah. And they're, I mean, like, I mean, yeah, they're filthy.

Speaker 2 They're loaded.

Speaker 1 Like, get, let, let them get the kid a Porsche.

Speaker 4 But what if your daughter's name was Nissan Altima?

Speaker 1 Then what do you do? I feel like you got to get the Altima.

Speaker 4 Civic.

Speaker 1 Honestly, have y'all seen that trend where it's like, if these weren't names of like things, they would be such pretty names. And it's like

Speaker 4 gonorrhea.

Speaker 5 My mom works in schools, and you'd be shocked that a lot of kids are named after like STDs.

Speaker 2 Wow, really?

Speaker 5 Because our parents don't know, and like they sound pretty outside of the context of what they are.

Speaker 2 Chlamydia, Chlamydia, who has a ring tune of

Speaker 2 Cami, right? Yeah. Goni? Rewee? Like,

Speaker 5 I do think, like, I remember a story of a kid name. It was Gonorrhea, but her name was like Gonoria or something.

Speaker 2 It's pronounced always more like elegant. Are we done with Papua Health? I think so.
Is there something else we have?

Speaker 4 So Jennifer Tilly says memes instead of memes, and I just think we need to talk about it.

Speaker 1 I feel like we're not shocked by that, right?

Speaker 4 No, she's well, as Sutton said, she's Canadian.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 is she?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 And she owns an American icon TV show. Yeah.
Good for her. Up next, we have the legendary Mayam Bialik with us.

Speaker 2 You know her from Blossom and Big Bang Theory, and she is going to break down some of the Bachelor bios. And then after that, we have a couple of the DSs from Special Forces.

Speaker 2 Billy and Rudy are with us. I'd love to get their take on some of the women on the upcoming season of The Bachelor, which premieres Monday?

Speaker 2 Next Monday? Next Monday. All right.
Well, we'll see who they casted up next.

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Speaker 2 maya welcome to the show thanks for having me uh so excited to have you thank you i've been a fan of yours for a long time oh that's very sweet yeah i'm old enough to know plus i did not think you were old enough but yeah i'm 44.

Speaker 2 Okay, yeah, so you were like a huge star in my household growing up. Well, thank you.
I guess just to start there, I mean, you've had obviously such an illustrious career in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 What has that been like? I'm always kind of fascinated with people who their whole lives has been kind of in and out of this kind of crazy world.

Speaker 6 Yeah, nothing that happened was something I predicted.

Speaker 6 You know, I don't have the typical like child actor trajectory of like starting in commercials when you're three because you're so cute and everyone wants to look at you.

Speaker 6 I was born at a time when people like me did not appear in commercials or even TV shows.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, when you watch TV now, you see people of like different shapes, sizes, colors on the television.

Speaker 6 And I try and explain to my kids, like, I never saw black or Latino people in commercials, like my whole life. It was just like.
blonde-haired, blue-eyed, small-featured humans.

Speaker 6 Like that was the world of that I grew up in. So it never occurred to me, you know, that like a strange grandchild of, of, you know, immigrants from Eastern Europe, like should be on television.

Speaker 6 I enjoyed performing in school plays. My parents were not industry people.
My dad was a drama teacher, but not my drama teacher. My mom was a nursery school director.

Speaker 6 My grandparents are immigrants, like sweatshop workers. Like I come from very humble beginnings.
I grew up in a kind of crummy neighborhood in Hollywood.

Speaker 6 You know, I grew up like playing outside till it got dark or if somebody was bleeding. That was the only time your parents kind of wanted to hear from you.

Speaker 6 So I liked school plays and had this notion of like, people are on TV. Like I should be an actor.
I don't know what gave me that idea, really, because like I said, nobody looked like me on television.

Speaker 6 You know, my whole career, people have believed in me more than I believed in myself. There's not an example I can give you where that wasn't true.

Speaker 6 In this case, it was my mom, you know, often starts with your parent. And she was like, you look like Bette Midler and Barbara Streisand and you can sing and you can dance and you can do this.

Speaker 6 So I got an agent when I was 11 and I was cast in beaches playing a young bat middler when I was 12 and a half. And my mother was like, see, I was right.

Speaker 6 The next period of my life, which you experienced as a viewer, and I think maybe

Speaker 1 I thought you were not.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, that happened because of beaches. So it was literally just like overnight.
You know, I was given my own TV show. It's nuts.
It's a crazy story. And it felt crazy at the time.

Speaker 6 I was a very strange kid. I'm a strange adult.
You know, I was a kid who like didn't really, I mean, I had friends and stuff, but everybody thought I was weird. Girls were intimidated by me.

Speaker 6 Boys were intimidated by me. I was very cerebral and kind of a serious kid.
And I got, you know, to have my own TV show when I was 14 to 19. That was Blossom.
Wow.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then I left the industry for 12 years. I had two kids, and then I did Big Bang Theory.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 With Blossom,

Speaker 2 I was a big fan of Joey.

Speaker 6 And that was like when I would like tie the flannel flannels around the around the waist yeah I would steal my sister's flannel just so I could do that yeah it was a ring it was the look I mean look we were on from you know 1990 to 95 like that was kind of the it was the heart of the 90s and you know CNC music factory was on our show and salt and pepper and

Speaker 6 you know a lot of sort of musicians and like Will Smith was on when we literally called him Fresh Prince like that was his name like nice to meet you mr. Fresh Prince.

Speaker 6 We premiered after the Cosby show. Like that's how long ago it was.
Wow. That's how long ago it was.
So yeah, that was, I was 14 to 19. Joey's a year younger than me.

Speaker 6 Jenna Vonoy is two years younger than me. So we kind of grew up as each other's, that was school.
That was our social circle.

Speaker 6 We were very fortunate. We had a very clean set.
You know, a lot of sets had like drugs and parties and drinking.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, it wasn't uncommon in those days for like the crew to be like drunk at lunch and like come back and work the rest of the day drunk. We did not see any of that.

Speaker 6 We had had a very clean set. We enjoyed our time together.

Speaker 6 I mean, of course, there's not, there's not any set where there's not some sort of like, I'm sure you know, like there's human politics no matter what you do.

Speaker 6 But it was a very, very positive experience. And I'm not just like, it was amazing.
Like, I love my life. It really was a very positive, constructive, creative environment.

Speaker 6 You know, I credit our producers and the grown-ups who were in charge of us. So, yeah.
And then leaving for 12 years, I got a PhD. I had two kids.

Speaker 2 What are you a PhD in?

Speaker 6 I got my PhD in neuroscience.

Speaker 6 I'm a science person. I fell in love with science late in life.
And I was cast in Big Bang Theory. I had never seen it.
Thought it was a game show.

Speaker 6 And I was kind of like, as you may have like gleaned from my questionnaire I filled out before meeting you. I'm not really a pop culture person.
I had never seen the Big Bang Theory.

Speaker 6 It was a very popular show. I just was like nursing a baby and, you know, dealing with a toddler.
So yeah, I was out of, I was just out of getting my doctorate. And I heard a big bank.

Speaker 2 I used to act and I am also.

Speaker 6 I was out of insurance. It's a true story.
I taught all through my graduate years as a neuroscience student.

Speaker 6 I had my first kid in grad school and I took my doctoral hood seven months pregnant with my second. And then I was tutoring.
I was teaching. I taught neuroscience in the homeschool community here.

Speaker 6 I was teaching with a kid strapped to my chest, budgeting, doing all the things that grown up people do living in Los Angeles. And I was running out of health insurance.

Speaker 6 And I figured, you know, if I can get like my Screen Actors Guild insurance, at least I can have some insurance. My, my husband at the time was a graduate student also.

Speaker 6 Like, we didn't, you know, people didn't make the kind of money in the 90s that they do now. It wasn't like you're set for life and you never have to work again.

Speaker 2 What were your hopes or expectations when you got back in? Was it like, maybe I'll just do some commercials? Because, you know, you could just get a couple gigs and get insurance.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, again, like commercials is a little bit hard. Like I'm a little recognizable in some ways.

Speaker 6 But no, I really was like, if I can get get like a guest spot on something, if I can just get, I mean, SAG insurance, like, it's called SAG Affronomer.

Speaker 2 It's a bad law and pretty good. Like, right.

Speaker 6 Well, my first, I was on Bones, did an episode of Bones. And then I did an episode of,

Speaker 6 what was it? I feel bad that I can't remember now, but I was like girl number two. Like I, I literally, I went and auditioned, and I don't even, my character didn't even have a name.

Speaker 6 I had like two lines at the beginning of some crime show.

Speaker 6 And yeah, like it gets you insurance. And, you know, most casting directors were younger than me.
They had no idea who Blossom was.

Speaker 6 I was just like an unusual looking lady who at a size 6'8 was very large for the industry.

Speaker 6 And so it was like, one of my auditions, one of my first auditions before I got Big Bang Theory, it was for Zaftig girl number two. Zaftig is the Yiddish word for like healthy.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 I was like, okay, I'm Zaftig at a 6'8.

Speaker 2 Got it.

Speaker 6 So the industry had changed a little bit. I got Big Bang Theory and I was just a guest star.
You know, it was the end of season three was my episode. And then they brought me back in season four.

Speaker 6 And the week they made me a regular, I said to my manager, I think they're done with me. I don't think there's any more plots.
And she was like, I don't know that that's true.

Speaker 6 And literally they called that week. And that was what reminded me I should never listen to myself or my instinct because I was like, they're done.

Speaker 1 Remember, I've never believed in myself.

Speaker 2 I start now.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 6 So, yeah, then they made me a regular.

Speaker 2 And it was, that's right.

Speaker 6 But a fast forgetter. I'm a slow learner and a fast forgetter.

Speaker 2 And then how many more seasons after that? I mean, you really became a focal point.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I was on for nine years.

Speaker 2 And it was at a time, it was the number one show on television.

Speaker 6 It was the number one comedy in America.

Speaker 6 We never had the sort of like critical acclaim that a lot of shows that are often popular get, but that was just sort of the industry at the time. It was like, oh, that's like for the fans.

Speaker 6 But you know what? We had unbelievable fans who loved our show. Jim Parsons got some Emmys.
I was nominated four times for Big Bang Theory. Wow.
Lost every time, like the Susan Lucci of sitcoms.

Speaker 6 Still pretty cool, but a lot of fancy dresses and a lot of stress for the red carpets and be like, and I lost. So those were my years.

Speaker 6 You know, I went from having a nursing baby and a toddler to having big kids. Like that was nine years.
So when people are like, what was that time like? That's what I think of.

Speaker 6 I think of like, I was a mom and like pumping in my dressing room. And then by the time I was done, like I had almost bar mitzvah age kids.
They're now 16 and 19. Wow.

Speaker 2 Yep. That's incredible.
And now were you a fan of Jeopardy or did you also not watch that at all and just happened to host it?

Speaker 6 So I knew of Jeopardy, but I did not grow up in a Jeopardy watching family.

Speaker 6 My parents are like quirky bohemian artists who were like, let's watch a Fellini film. Like that was sort of movie night for us.

Speaker 6 But I, of course, knew of Jeopardy, had tremendous respect and reverence for it. But yeah, I got to host for two years.

Speaker 6 I was also working on a series that I I was doing at the time, you know, after Big Bang Theory, I did a series for three years called Call Me Cat for Fox. So yeah, I was balancing my time.

Speaker 6 That was an amazing opportunity, especially because I'm like, kind of, I'm a nerd.

Speaker 6 Like I love learning all those things and I love getting to see the writer's room and be part of, you know, putting together that show, meaning watching all the clues come together.

Speaker 6 And it's very stressful to read all those words, you know, but I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 And as a dyslexic person watching it, I was always like,

Speaker 2 I don't know how you do that.

Speaker 1 How did you balance motherhood and being a full-time working?

Speaker 6 I was married for part of my time on Big Bang Theory.

Speaker 6 And, you know, he was, he got his master's. Like we were both in grad school together.
He was an at-home parent, which at the time it was like, he's what? A man staying at home.

Speaker 6 Like, isn't that emasculating? Isn't it weird? It might have been, but also like that was what worked for us.

Speaker 6 We got divorced during the time I was on Big Bang Theory. And he still was our at-home, you know, parent, which I think was a lovely arrangement for us, even in our divorce.

Speaker 6 Our kids were homeschooled actually till high school, which is kind of interesting. So, I did some of the teaching in the early years, but then, yeah, when I was working, sitcom hours are great

Speaker 6 for having kids. Sitcom hours, you know, we worked basically school hours.
It was like nine to three, nine to four. We had one tape night, but that was actually really doable.

Speaker 6 So that when I was home, I was home and on duty. Yeah, movie, like movie star schedule is very, very different.
And even drama, like they shoot 16-hour days, like that's not normal.

Speaker 6 So it's actually a really easy, you know, schedule, but we didn't have nannies or anything. Like that's also an option that people do.
So it was kind of just him and me.

Speaker 6 And that's how we did it, you know, their whole lives.

Speaker 1 Wow. Have either of them watched Big Bang Theory?

Speaker 6 No, they were too young at the time. Like, I, you know, some of the content was like a little rumor.

Speaker 6 So they were still kind of young.

Speaker 6 And I guess I fall more on the socially conservative side of like, I don't need them hearing all these things at seven, and even though it's like fun and it's funny, right?

Speaker 6 But no, they would come when they got older, they would come to some run-throughs and see me working that way. But we never really watched it.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 6 I think it's weird, like, I mean, they feel like it's weird to see their mom like that. And I think also when you're a kid, you really want to dislike your parents.

Speaker 6 It's kind of like a part of the job description.

Speaker 2 Right, it has it started.

Speaker 6 It's four and seven.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 we have an almost one-year-old.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, like really, really it starts.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it starts kind of early. I mean, it depends, depends on their temperament.
But, um, yeah, I think they kind of don't want to be like, My mom's so cool.

Speaker 6 And look, I'll be honest, I have Instagram, I see all these celebrity parents whose kids are like, My mom is the coolest TV mom ever. Like, not my kids at all.

Speaker 6 They're like, I don't want to think about it. You look weird.
My younger son used to say, No clown when I would like show up in makeup or hair from work.

Speaker 2 No clown.

Speaker 2 No clown.

Speaker 6 He'd want me to, you know, like take my makeup off. And then it's like, that's mom.

Speaker 2 Who are you? No clown. No clown.
No clown.

Speaker 1 Like, clown?

Speaker 2 Who, where'd you get that word from?

Speaker 1 And why use that with me?

Speaker 6 Did not want mama looking like that. So, yeah, my kids were kind of not, like I said, I've seen the Instagrams of all the celebrities.
Their kids look so happy to be on the red carpet.

Speaker 6 And my kids are like.

Speaker 2 And going forward, do you see yourself using your acting skills or PhD skills more in the future? Or both, maybe?

Speaker 6 I mean, I've kind of, you know, my podcast sort of is presentational science. It's infotainment.
It's,

Speaker 6 you know, a lot of honestly, the skills that I loved using on Jeopardy. Like, you know, I'm, I'm trained as a science communicator.

Speaker 6 Like, that's part of the training that you get, you know, as a grad student in neuroscience. And for me, it's very natural to communicate that way.

Speaker 6 So I think like for me, the podcast is a perfect combination of that, but I think I mostly use my science brain there.

Speaker 2 We need a new Bill Nye, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 We do.

Speaker 2 He's overstayed as welcome.

Speaker 6 I mean, mean, look, there's, there's, there's definitely, people like to get certain kinds of science from their dudes. I get it.

Speaker 6 And I think that's also part of what our podcast kind of tackles is that like, there's the Peter Attias and there's the Hubermans and there's, you know, all these like dudes and bros who will tell you things about your health and things like that.

Speaker 6 And I'm a lady doing that, you know? And it's different.

Speaker 6 And I think especially for me as a woman, like, I don't always take in my content science-wise from dudes the same way that I do if it's like a woman. So like, I kind of like having both options.

Speaker 6 I mean, Bill Nye is great and he's super, super brilliant.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's less that he's a man and more that he just had that catchy song. You know, I was gonna say still in my head to Ms.
Frazzle raised me like for Magic School Bus.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay, tell me all about what's happening inside my body.

Speaker 6 It takes all kinds, you know, that's also my thing. It's like, it's not, it's, we're not a one-size-fits-all.
But, you know, for me, acting is something that people keep wanting me to do.

Speaker 6 I've never been trained to do it. I don't feel like I'm changing the world every time I step on a stage.

Speaker 6 But, you know, for me, like the things that I do in like helping people, which I can do more as a scientist or helping people learn about themselves or learn about mental health or the environment or how it impacts us, like that feels, I don't know, feels more meaningful to me.

Speaker 6 But that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy performing. But I'm not like a,

Speaker 6 I say there's two kinds of actors. There's the kinds that really, there's the kind that like live for the applause.
Like they want, they want that feedback.

Speaker 6 they want that like oh it feels good and all that stuff that goes with it and then there's actors who are like are you happy mr director you know if you're happy then we're good which is a much more kind of codependent approach to being a performer like i feel good doing my job when you're happy with me doing my job as opposed to i feel good doing my job when you clap for me makes sense you're an actual scientist too

Speaker 2 i only say that because uh and i love her but my sister was a biology major and like worked in a lab for six months. And to this day, she still refers to herself as a scientist.
Anytime.

Speaker 6 I refer to her as a scientist. What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 What's wrong with you? She also refers to herself as a lab. She also refers to herself as a somalie because she sold liquor for a year.

Speaker 6 Okay, that I'm not with her.

Speaker 6 No, but I think when you're trained, when you're trained in science, you see the world differently. Like you do.
You just, you see the world differently.

Speaker 2 And you're PhD. You're rolling your eyes at her.
That's rude.

Speaker 1 Somalia is the more.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's not necessary. She's a liquor.
Anytime you would just have a discussion. I'm a scientist.

Speaker 6 She's a liquor scientist.

Speaker 2 It's like, okay.

Speaker 2 You took one more class than me.

Speaker 2 Tough crowd over here. Yeah.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 Well, we thought it would be fun. I know you're not a pop culture fan, but since we wanted to hate pop culture,

Speaker 2 I'm not very literate. Since you're a PhD, and you don't need to be.
Since you're a PhD, we love to use your PhD.

Speaker 2 This time, going into the bachelor season, the bachelor releases the bios of the upcoming contestants. they always have these bizarre, random facts about them.

Speaker 2 And we just like to decide who we think might go further than the other. There's no wrong answer.

Speaker 6 Is it like, you want me like a scale of one to ten? Do I have to look at them all?

Speaker 2 Or just, you just want to look for them. We just give, yes, goofy feedback, not meant to be taken seriously.
Some fans might take it seriously, but who knows? This is our bachelor. His name is Grant.

Speaker 2 Very nice fellow, very handsome. We've had the pleasure of meeting him super down to earth.
But this is right out of the salon that hairdo.

Speaker 2 This is the person that, is it how many women? Is it 25, 30? Oh, yeah, I think so. 25 to 30 women will be trying to get engaged to this man

Speaker 2 in less than nine weeks. Welcome to Pop Culture.

Speaker 2 Are you not familiar with the format at all? No. I was on.
Break it down. I heard.
That's what I heard. You're very handsome.

Speaker 2 I think that's a requirement. It's a requirement to say.
I think it's a requirement. You have to do it.

Speaker 6 No, it's a requirement of the show. Like, it's a desirable human.

Speaker 2 It looks healthy. Well, sure.

Speaker 2 You know, you look healthy. You look healthy.
There were plenty of people who didn't think I qualified. So, why? Oh, you know, everyone's a critic.

Speaker 6 Were you single?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, you're a batch.

Speaker 2 No, they didn't think I looked the part.

Speaker 6 Okay, well, they can hide behind their computers all they want.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Okay, go ahead.
What's the premise? Yeah, 25 to 30 women show up. Okay.
And night one. Okay.
You know, they come out. Sometimes people, like myself, I blacked out and was really nervous.

Speaker 2 Some people hang glide down, you know, like they're like,

Speaker 6 I down. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like when they try to sparkly soup. The producer, when I first, he's like, so what do you want to do? I'm like, well, I was just going to like introduce myself.

Speaker 2 They're like, well, you know, we could, you know, we're not sure, but if you want to like, you know, parachute in or something, like, you never know. Like, we, all you do is ask.

Speaker 2 So sometimes they will do a stump.

Speaker 6 That was their way of saying you're not memorable enough in your face.

Speaker 2 They want like a big thing. Exactly.
Actually, one producer literally said that.

Speaker 6 Okay, so the guy comes in. I'm serious.

Speaker 6 And then the show, how many episodes is this?

Speaker 2 It's a season. 12.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 6 And so people get eliminated. Is that what happens?

Speaker 2 Sends people home.

Speaker 1 So these women are all going to get out of multiple limos. Okay.
And they're going to try to make their big first impression

Speaker 2 while introducing

Speaker 2 parachuting in. And they get night one anywhere from zero seconds to two minutes of time to make a connection.
One person gets what's called the first impression rose. They're safe.

Speaker 2 And then at the end of the night, the bachelor gets a bunch, hands out roses. And if you don't get a rose, you go home.
Okay.

Speaker 6 And then by the end of it, he proposes to one person

Speaker 1 and they are engaged.

Speaker 8 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Yes. And then the final four weeks, there's what's called hometown weeks where the final four,

Speaker 2 they, they, you, you, they, they, you get to meet their families. Yeah.
And then it's super weird.

Speaker 2 This is the worst because then the bachelor has to fake ask for the blessing of a bunch of people he has no intentions of getting engaged to.

Speaker 2 And then the third week,

Speaker 2 fantasy sweet week, and you have an overnight night with each other off-camera. And sometimes the sex, sometimes not the sex.

Speaker 2 It really is.

Speaker 6 What if somebody gets pregnant?

Speaker 2 We've been hoping to get pregnant.

Speaker 1 Okay, that would be so.

Speaker 6 Sorry, I'm supposed to say, like, oh, just use birth control, but I have to tell my kids.

Speaker 2 The only way not to get pregnant. On my season, there were a couple covers, I think, like Star magazine or whatever are in Touch claiming that I might have

Speaker 2 gotten one of the people pregnant. You know, that was a runner.
Runner season? No, the Bacherette season.

Speaker 2 It was like the runner. I was the runner-up.
Runner-up got, you know, that was the In Touch week. Okay.
Or whatever. I'm ready.
But here we go. I'm ready.
All right.

Speaker 1 This is Alex. She's 27.

Speaker 6 Either an extra E at the end of her name.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's Alexi.

Speaker 2 You already got this that game down. Alexi.

Speaker 1 It's definitely not Alex.

Speaker 2 Okay. Is it Alexi? We don't know.

Speaker 6 Oh. Alexa?

Speaker 1 Alexi.

Speaker 2 Alexi? It really could be either or.

Speaker 6 This really feels like.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is like an Alex with a silent E, but okay, we're going to do Alexi. She loves ketchup chips, so I feel like that is

Speaker 1 a idiot. Yeah, she's a ketchup kid.

Speaker 2 Okay. Fickle.

Speaker 6 She's Canadian. Pediatric speech therapist.

Speaker 2 I mean, she's good with kids.

Speaker 2 She's good with kids.

Speaker 1 She's good with kids.

Speaker 2 She also could mean she's bossy.

Speaker 6 What's wrong? Why doesn't she do karaoke? I got questions.

Speaker 1 And it's like, doesn't be a karaoke ever.

Speaker 2 Maybe it means she knows.

Speaker 6 Maybe it means she's such a a good singer that it's embarrassing to the other people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's no fun.
I love her.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's selfless.

Speaker 2 I'm into it.

Speaker 1 All right, me too.

Speaker 2 Hey, Ali Joe.

Speaker 1 Next, we've got Ali Joe. She's a boxing trainer from New Jersey.

Speaker 2 That means he works at Rumble.

Speaker 6 I can't pronounce her name.

Speaker 1 She has dreams of shopping in Dubai.

Speaker 6 What does that mean?

Speaker 1 She's got money.

Speaker 2 Oh. Or wants? So be with someone who does.

Speaker 2 Or whoever she

Speaker 2 knows.

Speaker 1 Yeah. How can you be very organized but terrible at folding? I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 6 She's got Tiffany Amber Theseen vibes. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 She does. In a good way.
It's a positive thing. I mean, I think there's only could be one way.
Because you're a child of the 90s.

Speaker 2 She was

Speaker 2 out there for me.

Speaker 1 And you will never see her leave the house without lipstick on.

Speaker 2 Same.

Speaker 1 Well, honestly, yeah, relatable.

Speaker 6 She and I are like the same person.

Speaker 2 Basically, you are Allie Joe. Ever.

Speaker 1 Alicia. So she's an interior designer from Florida.
And I think the fact that she drove a Barbie pink vesta in college says enough for me. Pretty cool.
She's a pumpkin spice season queen.

Speaker 6 What does that mean?

Speaker 2 Pumpkin spice. I don't mean to be mean, but this screams basic all the way down the board.

Speaker 2 And every time October comes around.

Speaker 6 Oh, it's like people like everything pumpkin spice.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah,

Speaker 2 what's a typical Scorpio? She's a top 40s girl for sure.

Speaker 6 I don't know enough about astrology, but she does.

Speaker 1 No, she knows enough about herself.

Speaker 2 Oh, there you go now.

Speaker 2 She knows these Scorpios are mysterious.

Speaker 6 You know, I'm saying hi to them as if they're

Speaker 6 hi Bailey.

Speaker 1 Hi, Bailey. Nice to meet you.
You're a social media manager

Speaker 2 from Atlanta. Well, is she there for the right reasons, though? Because if she knows about social media, it probably means she's

Speaker 2 really there for love or is she there for the following?

Speaker 6 She knows what angle needs to happen whenever she's in a scene.

Speaker 2 Does she already have a blue check mark?

Speaker 1 I relate to her because her comfort items include bread and a heating pad. And if I'm not falling asleep with a heating pad on me, I won't be asleep.

Speaker 6 If I'm not falling asleep with a piece of bread on me, I'm not falling asleep.

Speaker 1 So we love Bailey.

Speaker 6 Wait, once took a

Speaker 1 flight solely for the purpose of leveling up her status with an airline. I respect that.

Speaker 2 She dreams of seeing a polar bear in real life. She's ambitious.
Has she ever been to the zoo?

Speaker 6 I don't think so. No, she wants like technically

Speaker 2 in the wild.

Speaker 2 Well, it doesn't say in the wild, it says in real life. Wow, bro.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Judgy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is judgy. Beverly, insurance.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah, that is my mom. Actually,

Speaker 2 what's Bev doing?

Speaker 1 What is Bev doing? Insurance salesperson. Her fun facts include closet is color coordinated.

Speaker 2 Same. So is her.
True story.

Speaker 1 I feel like if your closet isn't color coordinated, you need to grow up.

Speaker 6 If your closet doesn't look like your waiting room bookshelf, you don't want to see it.

Speaker 1 That was my doing.

Speaker 2 Lovely. So thank you very much.

Speaker 6 My house is like that, too. I color block the books.

Speaker 1 You have to color block the books.

Speaker 2 Her first concert was Jonas Brothers.

Speaker 1 Jonas Brothers.

Speaker 6 Aspires. She's a pretty good dude.
Aspires to visit all seven continents.

Speaker 2 I like that. Okay.

Speaker 2 I just like the name Beverly.

Speaker 6 Like, do we call her Bev? My mom's nickname's Bevy. Oh, we've moved on to Carolina.
We're done.

Speaker 2 Carolina? Carolina? Carolina. Carolina.
She's from Puerto Rico.

Speaker 1 She's a PR producer.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 1 Don't know what that means, but she describes her vibe as cool grandma.

Speaker 1 Her pet peeve is menus with no photos. I can stand by that.
I do want to see a photo of what I am reading.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 6 It's never going to look like that when it comes out of the kitchen.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of times I don't know.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. Really? I don't want to have the picture.

Speaker 2 If it has a picture, it's giving Cheesecake Factory and I don't want to be there. Totally.

Speaker 1 She has dreams of being roasted by Nikki Glazer.

Speaker 6 How would she do that? By becoming...

Speaker 2 Going on The Bachelor.

Speaker 2 By winning the Bachelor of Check, I was going to say

Speaker 2 in the

Speaker 2 Golden Globes.

Speaker 2 Yes. Look how you would be.

Speaker 1 Maybe not right reasons. Maybe.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe.

Speaker 1 Because I feel like Nikki Glazer wouldn't roast

Speaker 2 from Puerto Rico. She wouldn't.

Speaker 2 Nikki would roast anyway we'll have Nikki on and maybe we'll get Carolina on and maybe we'll make her dream come true Chloe's got an extra vowel in the slightest possible way doesn't Carolina kind of give a little Sarah Paulson oh yeah Chloe

Speaker 1 with every vowel she could possibly find uh model 27 you know what I this is Serena Kerrigan's ex-assistant oh really yes friend of show friend of show she posted that this was her ex-assistant I wonder why ex why did she fire her she went on the bachelor or why'd she quit yeah she loves dirty martinis She's moving on.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Still sleeps with her baby blanket. Hashtag no shame.
Did she write the hashtag?

Speaker 2 There should be a little shame.

Speaker 1 Dreams of seeing herself on a billboard in New York City. These are some.

Speaker 1 She's here for the right reasons.

Speaker 1 These they are exposing themselves.

Speaker 6 She's a model and she's in New York.

Speaker 2 It makes sense. Okay, you're right.
You're right.

Speaker 6 I'd worry if she didn't dream of seeing herself on a billboard in New York City.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're right. Christina, 26, marketing director from Fargo.

Speaker 6 Kirsten Dunst Vibes. Very

Speaker 2 Kristen Dunce. Who also was in Fargo.

Speaker 2 Look at that. Season two?

Speaker 2 I don't know. That's a deep voice.

Speaker 1 That's true. She hopes to start a clothing line inspired by her grandparents.

Speaker 6 She needs to talk to Cool Grandma Lady.

Speaker 1 She does need to talk to Cool Grandma Lady, but I also want to know why.

Speaker 2 Her grandparents are like 50.

Speaker 6 They're like 50 years old.

Speaker 2 They're not that old.

Speaker 2 Sorry. You're not wrong.

Speaker 1 All right. We have Dina.
She's an attorney from Chicago. Okay.
Has never met anyone who is cleaner and more organized than she is. This is a politician.

Speaker 6 That could mean nothing. Maybe she hasn't met enough people.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wishes she had more time to read for fun. She's an attorney.

Speaker 6 She's very busy prosecuting things.

Speaker 2 Screams, teacher's pet.

Speaker 2 I'm the best at being organized. And she just

Speaker 1 wishes she had more time to read for fun.

Speaker 1 I guess she does probably read a lot of like boring the things that lawyers read.

Speaker 6 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bridgesuits.

Speaker 1 They're not reading.

Speaker 2 She needs some smut in her life. A court thorn of roses.

Speaker 1 Claims.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Ella, 25, luxury travel host from LA.

Speaker 6 What does that mean?

Speaker 1 I don't know. She loves to play bad mitten.
She prefers glamping over camping. Growing up, Ella's fave look was a shirt with Justin Bieber's face on it.

Speaker 2 Hmm. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 6 These aren't

Speaker 6 easy fun facts for me to work with.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What would be your fun facts?

Speaker 6 Oh, never seen the match look.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 6 PhD in neuroscience.

Speaker 2 Perfect.

Speaker 2 No one is.

Speaker 6 I am a very organized person.

Speaker 1 Okay, Janae, 28 account coordinator from Colorado.

Speaker 2 She's very vague.

Speaker 6 Mostly, I want to know what she's holding in her right hand that got cut off in the picture.

Speaker 1 Has a rose tattoo on her forearm. Coincidence? Hmm.
So do I. And it's also not a coincidence that I married a bachelor and have a rose tattoo.

Speaker 6 Oh, it's a foreshadowing.

Speaker 2 It is a foreshadowing. I think it is a coincidence.

Speaker 1 Mine?

Speaker 2 Well, you had it before you met me, which means you had a coincidence for me.

Speaker 2 Uh-oh. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Or just manifestation.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 6 The best kind of coincidence. The universe is coincidence.

Speaker 1 I did. I manifested that I would marry a bachelor.
Her love language is FaceTime.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 6 That's weird. You feel weird about that?

Speaker 2 I can see it on his face. He's like, that's weird.
Why don't you love that her love language is FaceTime? No, that wasn't it.

Speaker 1 Oh, Juliana, 28, client service associate from Newton, Massachusetts.

Speaker 6 What's a client service associate?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like some of you. Here's what I've learned about these bios.
There's a lot of fake jobs. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You just throw three words that make sense, like there are two words that make sense, and then just throw associate at the end or producer, and you're good.

Speaker 6 Client service associate.

Speaker 1 Okay, I mean, she wants to own a dog-friendly bar one day, and I'm here for it, I guess. People are bringing their dogs anyways, right? I don't know.
Who's turning down dogs these days?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Is there a place in the United States that says no dogs?

Speaker 2 Is that nice for dogs? There's gonna be home. It'll be wherever.

Speaker 1 Are there a bunch of dog beds and like toys laying around?

Speaker 2 Is there loud music playing?

Speaker 6 Yeah, maybe like a it's like a cat cafe, but a dog-friendly bar.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 1 Kelsey, 26, interior designer from Brooklyn, New York. She wants a study empire building under Chris Jenner.

Speaker 2 Oh, she wants to build an empire like Chris Jenner.

Speaker 6 Oh, she loves to spend her summers in Martha's Vineyard. That's nice.

Speaker 1 Kylie, 26, retail manager from Wilmington, North Carolina. She lived in Uganda for four months, and her favorite movie movie is Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 2 Interesting. And loves drawing.

Speaker 2 I'm very interested in this Uganda period.

Speaker 6 This is a good combination of facts. Line dancing, Pearl Harbor.

Speaker 2 Uganda. Uganda.
Uganda. I honestly, personally, I wish Pearl Harbor would have gotten more of the history of Pearl Harbor, less the love story, but that's just my take on the movie.

Speaker 1 All right. Latia, venture capitalist from Salt Lake City, is an incredibly fast swimmer.
Loves a good personality test.

Speaker 2 Who's standard?

Speaker 1 Loves being outside, but hates hiking. Like, truly loaths it.

Speaker 6 Because she's such a fast swimmer.

Speaker 2 Why hike when she's like? Exactly. Why would you? I do think hiking is a bit overrated, especially in L.A.
People talk about hiking. It's like some sort of...

Speaker 6 I mean, Salt Lake City's got a lot of mountains.

Speaker 2 Like, good hiking there. Yeah, I'm sure, but it's just.

Speaker 1 Natalie, love her.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 1 From the jump. PhD student.

Speaker 2 You love her. What?

Speaker 6 We don't know.

Speaker 1 We don't know because it's not one of the things that we're doing.

Speaker 2 And how committed is she really if she's

Speaker 6 she's from Louisville?

Speaker 2 That's true.

Speaker 1 She's still a student she's not a breakfast person her love language is gift givings and she's a seattle seahawks fan a lot going on there

Speaker 1 okay natalie nacy nacy pediatrician we love a doctor we immediately love her from south carolina always wanted to be a spy i get that would love an invite to the annual

Speaker 6 she's gonna spy on him that's all i hear

Speaker 1 she's gonna spy on him she wants an she wants an invite to the kardashians christmas party okay

Speaker 1 loves experimenting with different coffees i cannot relate i feel like you find one and you're good, right? Why would you?

Speaker 2 I just like that she's a pediatrician.

Speaker 6 It's a special kind of human that wants to deal with all the sick kids.

Speaker 1 And also, I feel like pediatrician is hard. You gotta like...

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, after our pediatrician had to look in our daughter's ears one too many times, she hates him.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 1 you know.

Speaker 6 Get a lot of small people hating you.

Speaker 1 Teresa, pediatric. There's a lot of pediatrics.

Speaker 6 This is our third pediatric.

Speaker 2 This is our third.

Speaker 6 We had a speech therapist, a pediatrician, and now a pediatric behavior analyst.

Speaker 2 They love the healthcare industry on the bachelor. A lot of nurses typically, yeah.
I mean, if they can get a doctor, they'll take one. She has a rock collection.

Speaker 6 I have a rock collection. You do?

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 6 It's from when I was a kid, but I do like rocks and pretty things.

Speaker 2 I took geography. Is it geology? Freshman year of college, and I thought it was going to be rocks for jocks.

Speaker 8 Hardest class ever.

Speaker 6 It's a lot of memorization.

Speaker 2 I did not do well.

Speaker 2 My professor was like, he just was all over the place. And I was like, what am I supposed to take? So rocks on.
They're all over the place. That's true.
Yeah, we took a field trip.

Speaker 2 Doesn't she have an intense gaze?

Speaker 6 She does. She's a whiz with PowerPoint.

Speaker 2 That track's based off her gaze. She's just looking right at you.

Speaker 1 That's also talent to be able to be a whiz with PowerPoint.

Speaker 1 And I wonder if she was nervous with a TikTok shutdown for the 12 hours.

Speaker 1 Was she like super high-strung? She couldn't relax.

Speaker 8 That's true. She had no way to relax.

Speaker 2 She had no way.

Speaker 2 In what world does TikTok make you relax?

Speaker 1 Organization content, she says.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. I do like their cooking videos.

Speaker 1 Radhika is an attorney in New York. She brunches regularly.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 1 That's expensive in New York.

Speaker 6 That means day drinking.

Speaker 2 We all know what that means.

Speaker 1 Bucketless item is to kiss someone in the rain. She is going to the right place.

Speaker 1 They will be pouring water on her and Grant in no time.

Speaker 6 Oh, she likes Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 Yep. Like that.

Speaker 1 Big fan. Rebecca, 31, ICU nurse.
From Dallas. Has never met an animal she didn't like.

Speaker 2 I see you nurse. That's

Speaker 2 intense.

Speaker 6 Always aims to be the best dressed person in the room. Uh-oh.
She's gonna, we're gonna have to see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's just a good thing.

Speaker 2 It's giving potential freak out night one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of like, holy fuck, who, what are, what are you wearing?

Speaker 2 On my season of the bachelor, so like, you know, they'll all the contestants will like go to the producers, be like, do you like my dress?

Speaker 2 And so I always, the producers, I refer to them as the friend who wants you to buy the boat. Yes.
You know, yeah.

Speaker 2 Not really there for good advice, but they're there to encourage you to enthusiastically, you know,

Speaker 2 whatever direction you want to go that are to make you feel good about it.

Speaker 2 So, like, half the women came out in red dresses, and you can, you just knew that they were like, This is the dress I want to wear.

Speaker 2 And any other real friend would have been like, you know, maybe different color. So, but they were all like, for sure, yes, red.

Speaker 2 So, then they could all freak out about how they were wearing red dresses.

Speaker 6 That's how the sausage is made.

Speaker 2 That's how it's made. And we have an RN, Rose.

Speaker 1 I wonder if her name is a coincidence to her going on the show.

Speaker 2 Hmm.

Speaker 1 She admits she's a terrible dancer and thinks Julie Andrews is the goat.

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 2 That?

Speaker 6 Got to know more about that. The 27-year-old who likes Julie Andrews, there's a story there.

Speaker 1 There is a story there.

Speaker 6 That's like Sound of Music, Mary Poppins, deep.

Speaker 2 Great films.

Speaker 1 Great films. Serafina, I feel like she has to be a mermaid.
Associate Media Director.

Speaker 2 Okay. What is that?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Another fake job.
She really wants to learn how to play tennis.

Speaker 2 Rocked a bob during her college years. I know.

Speaker 2 There's a tennis court like in every neighborhood.

Speaker 1 Has seen every episode of Grey's Anatomy at least three times. Interesting.

Speaker 1 She must have a lot of free time because that is a lot of TV to have to go.

Speaker 1 They're still going.

Speaker 2 Correct.

Speaker 1 Also, she's in New York. There might not be a tennis court.
There's not a tennis court in every neighborhood in New York.

Speaker 6 There's clubs.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Savannah, wedding planner. Oh, that's fine.

Speaker 6 They got to get married too.

Speaker 1 She's from Charlottesville, Virginia. She loves a competitive game of charades.

Speaker 6 She doesn't like a non-competitive game of charades.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she wants everyone to be as invested as she is.

Speaker 2 She's yelling at each other, screaming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dreams of planning the Met Gala.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's fun.

Speaker 1 That is fun. That's interesting.
Has a serious fear of owls. What did they ever do to you? Vicki, 28, nightclub server in Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Takes pride in her calves of steel.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Would love to see those. Not herself without lip liner.
Her and our girl who doesn't leave the house without lipstick with her.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 And she wants to live on a vineyard in Italy. Wow.

Speaker 2 Me too. Same.

Speaker 1 All right. And our last woman of Grant season, Zoe, 27 tech engineer and model.

Speaker 2 Okay. Beauty and brains.

Speaker 1 There we go. Nothing makes her happier than puppies and babies.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Can't and won't live without tacos.

Speaker 6 I won't ask her to.

Speaker 2 I won't ask her to either.

Speaker 1 And honestly, I can't, and I won't either. Was the first female wrestler to join her high school wrestling team?

Speaker 2 That's pretty cool, badass.

Speaker 6 That's really cool.

Speaker 2 That's no joke. Like real wrestling, not the

Speaker 2 fake stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Cauliflower ear. Not WWF.

Speaker 1 Who do we feel like is our grant's frontrunner? Did anyone stand out to you?

Speaker 2 I don't know. No, you don't remember anyone.

Speaker 2 There's no wrong answers.

Speaker 6 I mean, I'm kind of a sucker for like, like the pediatrician.

Speaker 1 I feel like you you have to go with Natalie because she's a PhD student.

Speaker 2 You have to stay with me. I like your dear.

Speaker 6 I like Nisi.

Speaker 2 Okay. I'm going to call her right now.

Speaker 2 Nisi.

Speaker 1 Okay. I feel like she's definitely.

Speaker 6 But they all seem lovely.

Speaker 2 Kelsey.

Speaker 1 Juliana. Juliana.

Speaker 2 Where does Grant live? Currently lives in Texas.

Speaker 1 Oh. There was one girl from Dallas.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 So maybe that's.

Speaker 6 I mean, you could move for love.

Speaker 1 I would. It has been done before.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think.

Speaker 2 I mean.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, you know.

Speaker 6 A lot of these jobs could happen in a lot of places.

Speaker 2 Who's your villain? Oh, boy.

Speaker 2 Allie Joe.

Speaker 2 Oh, you think?

Speaker 6 It's the sparkles on her top.

Speaker 1 I feel like Allie Joe, because she's a boxing trainer, is going to have some beef with Zoe because Zoe was the wrestling team. And wrestling and boxing, I feel like kind of.

Speaker 2 And as a boxing trainer, very vocal, very like, isn't it afraid to speak up? That can definitely rub people the wrong way in a house like that. Okay.

Speaker 6 Good guess. They all live together?

Speaker 2 They all live together.

Speaker 6 Oh, for the duration. Yes.

Speaker 2 In bunk beds. Well, until hometowns.
Oh, then. Okay.
Because then it's all about love.

Speaker 1 How much do you want to bet they're going to make Savannah, who has a serious fear of owls, do a photo shoot with owls?

Speaker 6 Oh, that's sad. Yeah.

Speaker 2 See how she is. It's a good bet.
Operates under pressure.

Speaker 5 Very stressful.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, we'll see.
Well, best of luck to all these ladies. Sure.
I mean, I know their season's wrapped, but in our minds, we look forward to seeing how their love unfolds on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 How the journey's on Monday night. We'll talk about it on Tuesday.
Mayaam, this has been so much fun. Thank you for having me.
Thank you for taking the time.

Speaker 2 Anything you want to plug, promote, put out there?

Speaker 6 Yeah, our podcast, Myam Bialik's Breakdown. You can watch it.

Speaker 2 We also have four cameras for our podcast.

Speaker 6 So you can watch it on my YouTube channel or like Spotify or wherever you get podcasts. And our Instagrams at Bialik Breakdown.
I think that's kind of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Incredible.
Lovely. Well, thank you for taking the time.
It's been so much fun to have you on. Thank you.
All right. Well, that's a lot of fun with Mayam.
We love a good

Speaker 2 bachelor roundup, especially with someone who's never seen the show. Tons of fun.
We love her. Up next, very excited about this.
If you aren't watching Special Forces, you are definitely missing out.

Speaker 2 But two of the DSs, Rudy and Billy, two men who kicked my ass for a week of my life, are with us. They have some amazing stories.
They are the most dynamic.

Speaker 2 And, you know, if you're watching Special Forces and you see them yelling at people like Cam Newton and myself and Tyler, they are just big old teddy bears with some fascinating stories and some great life lessons.

Speaker 2 So they're up next.

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Speaker 2 Billy Rudy. Yes, welcome to the show.
It's great to finally have you on. It's great to be here.

Speaker 7 It's good to now be into Euro reaching out.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm a little bit of the driver's seat after being afraid of you guys for

Speaker 2 a long time.

Speaker 8 Oh, brother. Thank you all.
We've been fans.

Speaker 8 After the second season, I watched when you you had tom sandoval and some of the other cats on did you watch the tom sandoval i did that one trippy that one made some waves trippy i liked his friend oh shorts

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 his his friend has been looking after tom for a while yeah somebody has to yeah no killing does that's what billy i got billy for

Speaker 2 i know that feeling yeah

Speaker 1 it is so funny to have you guys here and just to see your realist personalities yeah i feel like y'all are so scary and intimidating and kind of like funny in a way, just because it's so, the stuff that y'all come up with to say is so mean and so bizarre that it's- It's called humor.

Speaker 1 It's funny. It's called funny.

Speaker 8 It's British humor. It's British humor.

Speaker 2 It's called humor. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What has this season of Special Forces been like for y'all?

Speaker 7 It's been challenging. It's been brutal.
I use that word a lot, but it has. And it gets more and more intense every time we do it.

Speaker 7 Not to take away from all the people, like yourselves, your course, but every time we do it, it does get more intense. And the reason that is because we follow the ethos of the real special forces.

Speaker 7 And every time we do a job, a task, a course, we look at what could we have done to make it better. Generally, that means make it harder.
Wow.

Speaker 7 And to get them, it's all about getting the most out of the people that come on it. That's what it's about.
And we look at, we analyse every task we do, everything we do, and go, right, you know what?

Speaker 7 Well, that didn't work too great this time. Let's add this.

Speaker 7 so it's it's more intense i think and i think it works on both sides for us we we make it better if we can the camera people team who now you know get more experience look at they realize what worked and didn't what they caught what they didn't so i guess it does the whole thing you know evolves literally to a better pace every time we do it not to say it's any it's it and the the experience for the people on it is as hard as it always will be.

Speaker 7 There's no compensation for anything, male, female, weights. Everybody does exactly the same.
It's nickel as just everyone carries the same.

Speaker 2 They don't play favorites. It's really

Speaker 8 and the weather does not discriminate. The conditions don't discriminate.
They all go through the same pain, misery, and suffering.

Speaker 8 But it's also cool that you all are part of a lineage, just like in our world, our courses and our generations of operators. It's a lineage.
We're part of those that went before.

Speaker 8 And now the younger warfighters have learned from us. So it's the same thing.

Speaker 7 It's very military. You're right.
Thinking about it now, Nick, you'll look at the...

Speaker 7 Our course is harder than theirs.

Speaker 2 It was tougher when we did it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And everybody does the same. You know, when I first joined the army, their selection was harder than ours.
Their war fighting was harder than ours.

Speaker 2 You're like, whatever.

Speaker 7 Now I'm doing it to the young shit.

Speaker 2 For my audience, can you guys talk a little bit about your background in terms of your military experience in the

Speaker 2 places you guys came from?

Speaker 7 Do you want me to go first?

Speaker 7 go first okay so i'm my billy billingham british born in the uk born into a family of five in the west midlands a very poor family i was the middle child which means i'm different middle children are different we are rogue and i was rogue so where i grew up um it was all gangs at the time and i gravited

Speaker 7 yeah seriously i gravitated towards that thinking that was you know there's guys with a name in the street and everyone knew him and i thought i want to be like that guy of course looking back I was wrong but that's where I was going at the age of nine I joined a gang and I ended up stealing from an old man who kind of changed my life even at an early age rather than give me a good hiding he took me to the side and said listen there's something about you I want to come I want you to come to my boxing gym at the age of nine and I went you know if you could imagine a nine-year-old today doing what I did you got to think about this i stole from an old man who rather than giving me an idea tells me to go to a boxing club which is in a pub downtown three miles from my house in the snow in February pitch black I'm nine years old walking down to meet an old man at the back of a pub that I stole a hat from he took me in the gym told me all about boxing and the

Speaker 7 I won't go too deep into all this but what he said to me was boxing is not a sport of brutality boxing is a poor man's game of chess It's about reading what's in front of you, having respect for what's in front of you, having respect for yourself, the sport.

Speaker 7 It's about anticipating the next move and always being one step ahead.

Speaker 7 And his final words to me said, no matter how good you are or think you are, you will have a moment where it's going to be hard and you'll feel you can't do it.

Speaker 7 You've got to say to yourself, I can go always a little further. And you will.
Hence the reason we do what on the show.

Speaker 7 20 years later, I joined the SAS on the clock tower, which is a tower where people's names go on if you don't survive. All my unfallen comrades are on there.
You know, you have to beat the clock.

Speaker 2 That's the saying.

Speaker 7 On the day I joined the SAS, I went and read the Collect and the final words underneath was always a little further and i went back to be nine years old and the airs on the back of my neck stood up and that's my mantra

Speaker 7 i've got off at a tangent that's how i was growing up

Speaker 7 13 i got thrown out of school 11 i was in um juvenile court for being in a gang fighting you know you know i was shaming on my family i was putting a lot of pressure on my mom and dad and i knew i was you know my mom as every mom does, he got in with her own crowd.

Speaker 7 I was her own crowd. I knew I was doing it.
kids do know so there's lesson one don't let people make excuses for you own it

Speaker 7 11 in court 13 i have a great idea in school to be the hero i glued the maths teacher to the chair

Speaker 7 it didn't go down very well true and i got thrown out of school so i know my education stopped at 13 years old i ended up working in a factory illegally at 15 earning money and then at 15 again

Speaker 7 my whole life changed the fighting got out of control i got stabbed and nearly died And when I was recovering from that, I remember looking at my mum and dad and my family, who had been told he's probably going to die.

Speaker 7 And I could hear everything going on inside my head, but I couldn't react to it. And I just said to myself, I've got to change my life.
I need new direction. I've got to go to the military.

Speaker 7 So when I recovered, a little bit later, it took a while. Then I got injured working in a factory, which I won't go into.
I then joined the army at 17.

Speaker 7 And the army, day one of joining the army, I'd left my hometown where I thought it was a big fish in a small pond. I had a reputation.
I was now stood in front of real men.

Speaker 7 My instructor, I remember looking at him on day one, he had a big scar across his face, he'd been shot in the Falklands, he was still healing. But there was an awe of respect all around him.

Speaker 7 And I remember looking at him thinking, I want people to feel about me the way I feel about that man there. And I said to myself, This is going to be horrendous.

Speaker 7 I was the youngest, I was the skinniest, and I was the mouthiest.

Speaker 2 And I thought,

Speaker 7 And I thought to myself, there's no way I'm going out that gate unless they throw me out or I die. I've got to do this.

Speaker 7 And I did. And we started with 70, 7-0, and we finished with seven.
And I was one of those seven. And then I had a great career with the parachute regiment, joined this regiment,

Speaker 7 came to Belize, my very first trip. I'd never been.
To America. Yeah, I'd never been out my hometown.
I'd never, the only time I'd ever seen an aircraft was when it flew overhead.

Speaker 7 I've now been on an aircraft nine times and never landed once. I've been thrown out the friggin' door.
And then all of a sudden I'm landed in an aircraft in a place called Belize, Central America.

Speaker 7 Now, when I got told I'm going to my battalion and they're in America, that's all I heard. I didn't hear Central America.
I just heard America. I thought, ooh, chicks, sand, beer.

Speaker 2 This is, this is it. I've made it.
I'm coming to California.

Speaker 2 Wrong.

Speaker 7 So I called my mum and I said, Mom, I'm going to America. She's, that's fantastic.
Where about? And I went,

Speaker 7 Central America.

Speaker 2 She goes, okay, calm down.

Speaker 7 Central America, where exactly? I went, Belize? She went, you clown. You're going to the jungle.

Speaker 2 I went, what?

Speaker 7 She said, if you'd have gone to school and learned geography, you'd know where you're going.

Speaker 7 So I ended up in Belize. I have this, and now I came to America for the first time at 17 years old, 18 years old.
And I went to Fort Lauderdale. It was called, there was a thing called the strip.

Speaker 7 Is it still the same? I don't know. Yeah.
Oh, man, it was.

Speaker 8 chaotic.

Speaker 7 I was 17 and I was drunk as a skunk. And obviously, you're not supposed to drink till you're 21.
I had a great time. First trip to America.

Speaker 7 Followed these people who had all been to war and conflict and I learned a lot from these people. And then I climbed the ladder over a nine-year period.
I'd been in conflict myself now.

Speaker 7 I'd led operations. P-O-W.
I was, yeah. That was later on, though.
And then

Speaker 8 nine years.

Speaker 7 Nine years, I kind of reached my ceiling with that regiment who were fantastic. I say reached my ceiling.
I wanted more challenge. I wanted to go somewhere different.

Speaker 7 Didn't know a lot about special forces, which most people don't. I knew enough to say it's a challenge.
I want to do it. So I did.
Went on selection in 92, beginning of 92.

Speaker 7 283 of us started, seven of us finished. And I went to a squadron called B Squadron, which is famous for the Iranian Embassy.
I don't know if you don't know all about that.

Speaker 7 That was the first time Special Forces were ever heard of on TV and around the nation. So I went to that squadron and I had a wonderful career.
I did everything from...

Speaker 7 hostage release to indicting people for war crimes to whatever and decorate by the queen a couple of times and stuff like that but it was great it was just a wild crazy career that's incredible and then i left

Speaker 2 prisoner of war yeah yeah i say prison i got i got kidnapped taken basically in bosnia but like when on the show that the final phase is to simulate potentially getting kidnapped and billy is instructing us and we find come to find out he's like speaking from a real life personal experience while we're just kind of simulating it he's like no i i literally know what it's like to be in this situation and no two two situations are ever the same.

Speaker 7 You know,

Speaker 7 on the course, they teach you how to resist and survive. Yeah.
That is one key element that is in every situation, I guess. But how people treat you is going to be, never going to be the same.

Speaker 7 No, if you're in the wrong gangs at the wrong time,

Speaker 2 how did you end up getting out of those situations?

Speaker 7 I can't go too deep into it because of operational security, but

Speaker 7 we ended up

Speaker 7 taking hostages of people who've taken me hostage at an higher level. It was a meeting coming together where they'd taken me and someone else.

Speaker 7 And I think they're going to use us as human shields, put us in front of buildings that we friendly forces were going to bomb. So we didn't bomb it.
I think that's what they were going to do.

Speaker 7 But we ended up having control of some of their people. And it was like, if you don't release them, we're not releasing them.
It was one of those sketches. Lucky.
Very lucky. So, yeah, that was my...

Speaker 7 life and my military career.

Speaker 2 And what about you, Rudy?

Speaker 8 And you know, listening to Billy, it always helps me reflect too. And you know what? We're a lot alike in this way.
For the things that we were missing in our childhood and the things that

Speaker 8 we desired to get out of our environment, it shaped me. Poor family and a bastard son.
So I, you know, I never really had a family.

Speaker 8 And I didn't know for my first seven, maybe eight years, that I was somebody else's boy. And I've come from a Mexican-American family, a Catholic family.
And I'm 53.

Speaker 8 Down in the border, it's almost the culture is 100 years in the past. So

Speaker 8 I was always beaten up and picked on by my cousins. And my mom was always humiliated by the family.
I didn't know, I didn't understand the dynamic. It's because she had me.

Speaker 8 And my biological father was a Marine. and I guess a great Marine.
Two tours in Vietnam. He was a horseman.
He was a boxer.

Speaker 8 I guess he had an amazing personality. I get some of his personality.
But after a second tour in Vietnam, he was not the same. And

Speaker 8 I believe he got on heroin out there. And he was really never heard from again.

Speaker 8 And he was put away medication and never had a job again.

Speaker 8 And that family is a Spanish family from Mexico. I found them later.
When I became successful, I thought, I want to find out where I'm from. And

Speaker 8 my cousin is the district attorney of Austin. I have a little sister who's a doctor.

Speaker 8 My uncle is a professor at UT of both Latin and European studies and leads tours in Italy. Very high vibration people, but they were not happy to see me.

Speaker 8 They met me once, maybe because they see it as a shame or whatever. And also, they hate the Marine Corps and hate the military because they believe it took their son away.
Needless to say,

Speaker 8 my military is my real family, even my other units. I mean, we had to get together yesterday.
We had some Marines. We got freaking SAS, the Green Berets, the SEALs, all the brothers get together.

Speaker 8 It's the same family because it's the same culture. We care about each other.
And we have been through a selection

Speaker 8 that we all know who's who in the zoo. You never have to trust that that man to the left, the right can handle their sector.
And if you go down, they can take over the mission.

Speaker 8 It's an incredible sense of security knowing you're with the best guys in the world.

Speaker 8 My Mexican family was poor, so it was gangs, drugs, prison, domestic abuse. So I rebelled and was a good boy.
I rebelled and

Speaker 8 followed the rules, stayed in school, which was very hard because I went to many different schools because I was shuffled around, different families, foster care, and then ultimately the Omaha home for boys.

Speaker 8 My brothers and I have two little brothers. We were very sick by then.
We had worms. I had rainworm really bad, I guess, because my immune system was so down.
And hepatitis, I had to be hospitalized.

Speaker 8 All my teeth had rotten so bad that I might have lost an eye because the rod had got back there. However, the fighting spirit of the human being is incredible.
I was still working out.

Speaker 8 It's not like I had coaches or trainers or anything, but I saw whatever freaking John Rambo was doing, whatever Rocky Balboa was doing. I was out at the park doing push-ups and pull-ups.

Speaker 8 And I just wanted to be a real man. You know, I excelled in sport.
In the boys' home, the dean of boys was also an orphan, grew up there since five.

Speaker 8 And then he got his education and he's my wrestling coach. And he was also, he did clown, clown work, like for the shriners.
And we would go to elderly homes. Man, I got such education there, really.

Speaker 8 We'd go to elderly homes and

Speaker 8 do clown work and spend time with the elderly. I learned by following the rules, training really hard, and exceeding standards, I got more privileges.
I graduated high school.

Speaker 8 I got an art scholarship because I used to paint and draw. but I could not take my little brothers with me.
I opted out of school to then adopt my brothers at 18 because they're 16 and 15.

Speaker 8 We went to work and washing dishes and working in restaurants and then construction. And then I started doing martial art.
I have always loved to do physical training because it makes me happy.

Speaker 8 The ethos of that childhood and of martial art is what led me to the military. I never thought about actually pulling triggers and dropping bombs.
There was a war in Kosovo.

Speaker 8 and there was ethnic cleansing and there was a lot of suffering there and America was going to bring troops. That's why I joined.
I didn't know what, what I was going to do.

Speaker 8 So I joined the Marine Corps as an infantryman to just do my part. I excelled so fast and did so well.
And by the way, it's really hard. You fail at everything.
You're always punished.

Speaker 8 You have none of your time is your own. You don't even look your own.
Your hair has got to be a certain way. Your uniform's got to be a certain way.
You are a nobody. which actually builds character.

Speaker 8 I make it through selection. 300,000 Marines.
there's only 300 billets for recon Marines. There was no money in the 90s.
We were not part of SOCOM then.

Speaker 8 So the standards were so high because they only got 300 billets around the world. When I went through my selection, we have captains, infantry commanders.

Speaker 8 We've got staff sergeants who are already scout snipers and rangers and had trigger time in Somalia, drill instructors, seasoned guys. And I'm just same as you know now, Mr.

Speaker 8 Smiling, happy to be there. And it was really hard.
I didn't know proper soldiering yet. I was learning on the job, but I made it after a year long of selection.

Speaker 8 And then I started going to schools and started making a reputation in my little team. Nothing's given to you in the military.
It's all earned.

Speaker 8 And I was in the Persian Gulf on a ship as a point man, junior guy on a five-man team. My teammates are already Somalia veterans, Haiti veterans.
Scout snipers, Rangers, and the towers were hit.

Speaker 8 And boom, that's when the world changed for this global war on terror. And the sirens were going off.
Seemed like 20 minutes I was listening to it, but it was probably only one second.

Speaker 8 And we're called to our berthing. We're getting crypto for our radios.
We're getting explosives.

Speaker 8 We're getting spins for our aeros because we're about to get in a helicopter, getting ourselves together. And it was just a

Speaker 8 roller coaster. And I'm doing the job.
70 kilometer movements, Billy. Oh, I've never driven a Humvee before.

Speaker 8 You know, we're cool guys. We always, if we can jump from the sky or if we can dive and, you know, no, I've got to drive a Humvee in bad guy country and then dig it in before the sun comes up.

Speaker 8 So then we patrol rucked up with our big rucks and bergens, full of communication, equipment, optics, laser designators, and then weapons, and then hide in the mountain.

Speaker 8 And when the bad guys are coming through, hit them with the lasers, call in the close air support, shoot them with our weapons. I did my duty.
It was almost a blur because I was so busy.

Speaker 8 Billy, do you remember in the old days before GPS was everything and when you had to coordinate? Navigate.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and you had to navigate and coordinate with other units in zone and then with AROs, the air officers, and it was MGRS map with overlays, acetates.

Speaker 8 And because of my artistry, brother, I was always in charge of doing the overlays because they look so sharp and the marginal information. All of our work is attention to detail.
It's not genius work.

Speaker 8 It's attention to detail. Come back from that, very excited to be alive.

Speaker 8 In those old days, we never knew when we were coming home because they were expeditionary times. And shortly after being home,

Speaker 8 long before you civilians knew, we knew we were going to Iraq. So we were already preparing for Iraq.
And

Speaker 8 we went to Iraq, we went to Kuwait about three or four months prior.

Speaker 8 training and then doing probing missions on the um on the berm, you know, where we were going to make the breach and then it was on i mean what that iraq invasion it was it was us it was brits it was everybody and uh we hit a city in nazaria

Speaker 8 i think my unit had 100 men all together and that's to include mechanics fuel techs uh everybody admin we only had 60 fighters and when we got to nazarea the infantry was being bogged down and getting hit and getting freaking tore up do you remember those early days billy those really early days there was those beautiful winds and it was kind of cool and it was kind of raining those first few days.

Speaker 8 And it was like Vietnam because we're on the river, the palm trees and it's kind of raining and the freaking cobras are freaking firing hellfires and it's getting on. We're fighting too.

Speaker 8 And on the radio, they're going to chop away all the team leaders because they're paramedics. When you become a team leader, we got to go to paramedic medic school.

Speaker 8 And we've all done combat medic school, but paramedics, the higher level, and then our high-end high-end medics go to a battlefield surgery school, which is a one-year program that condenses four years of medical school.

Speaker 8 We're going to split up our teams. We're only five men.
We're going to split up teams into two or three to go rescue the guys.

Speaker 8 I am actually really scared because my team leader is my hero and I feel a little embarrassed that I, because I know they're going to die.

Speaker 2 It's like

Speaker 8 teams that two, oh, no armor. In those days, we were just driving Humvees that looked like Jeeps going out on a holiday to Malibu.

Speaker 8 Like, there's no roots, there's no armor, there's no nothing, just big guns. And I was embarrassed that I was scared because he's going to die.
And I'm scared how am I going to handle this team?

Speaker 8 We've only just begun this invasion. And I'm scared because I'm a little bit, think maybe I'm a coward.
And so I say, man, Sean, this is fucking bullshit.

Speaker 2 I'm going with you.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 he says to me, and he's country as hell, Rudy,

Speaker 8 shut the fuck up, Rudy. Are you a professional?

Speaker 8 And I was like, fuck, that's all I needed to hear because the mission has to continue. We chop our way through.
General Mattis says, you know what? Recon, lead the way. And that's what we did.

Speaker 8 Chopped our way all the way to Baghdad to Crit back.

Speaker 8 And somebody wrote a book. I was still in the Marine Corps.

Speaker 8 We all came back from that invasion. I'm an instructor now, and now I'm starting to have a little time with my family.

Speaker 8 A little town we've never heard of called Fallujah is popping off, and Ramadi's popping off, the Sunni triangle. And they called me back, and it was bloody.
It was heavy.

Speaker 8 I mean, one day I'll tell you all about that. But roadside bombs, suicide bombers, suicide truck bombs.
And

Speaker 8 we had to fight. And I really, really got a lot of experience.
But it's also, that was then my second enlistment. We were standing up Marsock.

Speaker 8 So Recon was now turning into Special Operations Command because we were so effective for so little money. Reminds me of early SAS, like for no money in World War II, no money, no, whatever.

Speaker 2 They made it happen.

Speaker 8 I turned them down. I was mentally burned out, I think.
from fighting and everything. All of it.
All of it. I was burned out.
And

Speaker 8 I got out, became a boxing and kickboxing coach, making a little money, doing seven, eight hours a day, seven days a week, because we're used to working all the time. Didn't talk to my wife anymore.

Speaker 8 Still couldn't sleep. Started drinking.
Never drank in my life. Started drinking at 36.

Speaker 8 Go to sleep. And then I got saved by entertainment.
HBO calls and says, we're making a mini-series about your invasion. Generation Kill.
We want you to teach and train the actors.

Speaker 8 Bring production onto Camp Hampton.

Speaker 8 have a dog and pony show them what you do we're doing shoot houses sniper work we got freaking jumpers coming in we're doing water survival we're doing hand-to-hand all these freaking producer peoples are like this is freaking savage you know uh rudy we want you to come to africa to teach and train i did

Speaker 8 they couldn't find anybody to play me uh because you have to be fabulous

Speaker 8 yeah you have to be fabulous you have to be latino this is their words, not mine. Fabulous Latino.

Speaker 2 You've been jacked.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you jacked flawless skin and hair.

Speaker 8 That's their words, not mine, right?

Speaker 8 So some of the cats that were auditioning.

Speaker 2 A great amount of humility. Yeah, well, I mean,

Speaker 2 their words, right?

Speaker 8 I didn't even know I was handsome. I mean, I never, I was with the same woman since I was 19 years old.

Speaker 8 So I saw some of the guys that were auditioning. They weren't quite getting it.
The production had me audition for myself, which wasn't easy.

Speaker 8 Well, at least I looked like the guy. At least I looked like the guy.
I got it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, bro.

Speaker 8 I did it, but it was hard. Like any new skill, that's what got me in entertainment and mostly did survival work, did some film and TV.

Speaker 8 And this has been the best thing to happen to me: SAS and Billy's program that he built. They reached out to me to come on the show in the UK.

Speaker 8 And I was received, first of all, by the brothers. The UK was at first not down with me.
Now the UK loves me, but now it's also, it's a two-way street. America's fallen in love with these guys.

Speaker 8 We're in America now. And I mean, we're rolling strong, man.
It's incredible. So yeah, we both work in the veteran community.
We both do nonprofits and charity.

Speaker 8 Mine is Force Blue. I rebuild coral reefs and do ocean conservation and put military men to work with our special combat combat dive and and fib skills.
We've now grown it to a children's program.

Speaker 8 We train the children of the fallen to ocean conservation and they work with men that are their fathers who even knew their fathers, healing families.

Speaker 8 Now we're bringing our own kids out because really now as we're older, Billy will tell you. It's our family, our kids, and our loved ones that it's all about.

Speaker 8 Yeah. So that's kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 2 Billy, you kind of got into entertainment entertainment as a bodyguard for some of the bigger A-list celebrities. Yeah.
Is that accurate? Yeah, it is.

Speaker 7 I was here actually in LA. I left the military.
Prior to leaving the military like we all do, you kind of lost. It's intimidating.
I've been in the military for 27 years. That's all I knew.

Speaker 7 Now I've got to get out and get a proper job. And I didn't know what that meant.
I was like, how do I do this? And a friend of mine said, look, hey, can you help me out?

Speaker 7 We did a bit of moonlighting prior to stepping out. I did a bit.
A friend calls me up and he was running a securities company. He said, could you do a bit of bodyguarding for me? I went, sure, who?

Speaker 7 And it was Tom Cruise. So he was the first guy I looked after.
I met Tom and I went, here's the deal. You know, this is what I can do.
What do you want? And we worked. It worked good.

Speaker 7 I thought, this is okay. I could do this.
Continued with the rest of my military career, you know, still trying to find my feet.

Speaker 7 And then I got asked, would you consider working with a family for security? And I thought, okay, long story short, I left the military. That's a great story to tell one day how I left.

Speaker 7 But I left the military and ended up as the bodyguard for Brad and Angelina. And

Speaker 7 yeah, spent 17 months or so with them, all over the globe, a little bit of time here in LA, New York, Europe, on different films and all that sort of stuff. So yeah.

Speaker 7 And then my life changed again. You know, actually, Sean Penn, who is a very good friend of mine, invited me, like he does, sends me a cryptic message to go to Barcelona.
And I'm like, for what?

Speaker 7 And he wouldn't tell me. And long story short,

Speaker 7 he got me a part in a movie called the gunman i don't know if you've seen it you've got to watch it i know about it i'm gonna watch it

Speaker 7 it's a good little movie and feeling awesome i don't act i'm not an actor i've got a script and i'm like what the forklift truck is this i'm like what am i supposed to be i'm an actor all of a sudden you know you with eldis alber and um mark rylance and all these people and i'm like okay so we ended up in barcelona he gave me a script and i looked and i went i wouldn't say that he goes well what would you say

Speaker 7 that script i just did my own thing and as you'll see it's just me being me we're definitely gonna watch but i enjoyed it

Speaker 7 and you get to see me semi-naked from the waist down yeah

Speaker 7 anyway you'll have to watch it so i got sort of introduced you going from this side of the camera to that side of the camera then i got asked would i do this show would i do that i wasn't really interested and then around about 2008 or nine a producer hounded me.

Speaker 7 He said, look, we've got this show called Unbreakable. We'd really like you to present it.
I went, what is it? He says, it's about breaking people. I went, that wouldn't be too difficult.

Speaker 7 He went, no, no, no, you don't understand. I went, really?

Speaker 7 These are the fittest eight people in the UK, six men, two women.

Speaker 2 I went, right?

Speaker 7 And what do you want me to do? He said, take them to the jungle and try and break them. I went, let me educate to something.
SAS guys break in the jungle.

Speaker 7 I'll break them in, no, no, no, no, you don't understand. So we're going back and forth and I was a little bit uncomfortable.
It's okay, no problem.

Speaker 7 So I went out to the jungle in British Guiana, never been to this place before, not done any wreckage, straight into the jungle. And I guess what? 40 minutes into it, I've broke all of them.

Speaker 7 And then I look at me going, oh shit, now what do we do? I went, yeah, what do we do? And this program had to, you know, this was the first episode.

Speaker 7 It was meant to last four days and I've smashed them all in 40 minutes.

Speaker 7 So I then revive them all and they'd spend all day teaching them skills of living in the jungle and 20 minutes of each day screaming and shouting so they could get some footage.

Speaker 7 So it kind of put me off. You know, the fact that producers weren't listening and it made me uncomfortable and put me in a vulnerable position because I nearly killed these people.

Speaker 7 I thought, I don't like this. And then I got asked and asked, will you do this with her? And I didn't want to do it.
All I wanted to do, if I was going to do anything in front of a camera again, was

Speaker 7 something with deprived kids, where I go spend time with deprived kids, then take them into my world. I've always wanted to do it, you know, to try and give back.
And nothing really came off.

Speaker 7 But then I got asked. A program was being put together called SAS Who Dares Wins.
And I wasn't bored to death with that.

Speaker 7 But I got asked, would I be part of the team initial team to do that and I looked at it and I thought the title put me off there was no real direction they didn't know where it was going to go and so I said no so the first episode went out in the UK Foxy was actually on it and the second series it did well I didn't watch it I don't watch TV

Speaker 7 the producers hounded me and said look we really wanted to come on the show and I went well you don't even know me Long story short he came to the he came to my house in Hereford after putting the phone down in London sat and told me what it was all about and it's not about four DS, it's about the people, it's about giving back.

Speaker 7 And then, okay, yeah, that sounds something I would like. And that's where it started for me.
So I did SAS UK episode, Series 2, and loved it.

Speaker 7 And then just went with it, kind of grew into what the programmes, the programmes, no one really knew still what it was about. Is it about just

Speaker 7 punishing people? Is it about self-gain? What is it? And then I've started to grow into the mirror rooms, I believe, is what the show is all about.

Speaker 7 It really gets to the core of what's behind you, what we can do to help, and how we grow. But initially, I hated it.
I hated the mirror rooms. I got so angry in there.

Speaker 7 I was about to punch people and all sorts of stuff. I didn't know where it was going.
It turned into an argument.

Speaker 2 I was like, hang on,

Speaker 7 but now I've grown with it, and the program's evolved. And, you know, I've learned what the program is all about.

Speaker 7 And then eventually, the Americans came over across and watched it and said, right, we'll copy this. They came back to the US and copied the show and called it Selection, I think.
And it failed.

Speaker 7 It just didn't work. And then later on, after Rudy got bought on, towards the end, Rudy came across and replaced a guy that looked very much like Rudy, actually.
And then America got interest again.

Speaker 7 And then we then formed special forces, or Fox did. And that's where we are today.
And I love it. And I love it because I get to make people like you cry.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I'll get to use all the experience and knowledge that we've had over the years to give somebody an experience. And I always say to make a better version of themselves.

Speaker 7 And you can tell us what you got from it.

Speaker 2 It's an experience I'll never forget. I remember the mirror room, it was the two of you in it, and I was definitely at my breaking point.

Speaker 2 But it was at the point where you, you, you know, you guys were kind of first, you were playing bad cop, you were kind of playing a little nice cop. And at the end,

Speaker 8 you got to be nice cop with this guy being remember off jump, it was something like this, brother. And I was like, damn, you're born me to death, mate.

Speaker 2 There's nothing about you.

Speaker 8 There's nothing about you.

Speaker 8 You're boring me.

Speaker 2 Shut up.

Speaker 8 You're born me. And I'm like, God, dang.
So then, of course, I'm like, hey, young man.

Speaker 2 It's okay. It's okay, young man.
But then at the end, I was like, what the fuck, man? And Billy looked at me and he goes,

Speaker 2 you can finish this. If you want to, you can do it.
And at that moment, at that moment, I was like, I was ready to be done. Oh, were you, bro?

Speaker 2 As soon as he told me I could finish, I was like, I'm not quitting.

Speaker 8 And it's so wild, Nick. We always run it down on the first day.
We get no dossiers on anybody.

Speaker 8 We don't know any of the recruits. And that's part of the magic because we don't need to know them.
We don't need to know their names. We don't need to know their brand.

Speaker 8 We don't need to know their work.

Speaker 8 We don't need to know because we're going to find out the real you.

Speaker 8 And they leave it up to us with our human intelligence background and our experience background. And we sure enough get to the real thing with every single recruit.
And it's...

Speaker 8 And it seems to really entertain audiences, but that's not why we do it. It's because they grow.
And when these people grow, the audience grows too.

Speaker 8 This show is really just beginning to bloom and it's for the people, the recruits. The mirror rooms really do it.

Speaker 2 So really become a family show. It is becoming a lot of people.
A lot of parents with young kids will come up to me and they're the ones who, you know, like you don't know.

Speaker 2 You don't know who's watching it, but for a lot of families.

Speaker 7 Out of that mirror room, you walk out of there standing tall. You've got the world off your shoulder.
You've got a name now. You've got something to go for.

Speaker 7 But what took me a long time to realize is people watching that indirectly, there's thousands of young kids, particularly, who look and go, who follow you.

Speaker 7 You're their role model and go, wow, if Nick can show his volume, I can't.

Speaker 7 And I can tell you now, and he'll tell you, the night the show goes out, no sort of mirror room things are covered, our phone's gone mental. And it's a lot of young people who are in dark spaces.

Speaker 7 That's right. And it really helps.
And I'll tell you what, it's a great feeling to know indirectly that show is so therapeutic to so many people.

Speaker 2 And you don't realize.

Speaker 7 And what it is, the way the world is today, let's all be honest, the world's upside down it's a mess and people are looking at role models and and direction and that show is as you know it's real it's not bulls it's it's it's brutal

Speaker 7 and for a reason now i'll go back to your interview i already knew where i was gonna we watch you we watch every single one of you serving you always very close every night which you never show and they don't really show on the tv we'll sit in the mirror in in the prayers as we call it prayers we'll go right nick how's it right okay he's these are his strengths is this is where we think we're at you were at break i'll tell you now you were about to quit You physically, mentally, emotionally felt you're done.

Speaker 7 We knew you weren't done. And

Speaker 7 if we didn't do something rocking up your ass to give you that last little to prove that you could go further,

Speaker 7 I think you probably wouldn't have got to the end. Oh, no, yeah, I wouldn't.
You were at that point. You felt you got enough out of it, which you, maybe you had, but for us, we knew you had more.

Speaker 7 I used a tactic on you like my daddy did on me. My daddy, well, the day I joined the army, my dad says, you'll be home in no time.

Speaker 7 And he goes, he says, and one thing that he said to me, which I don't tell a lot of people about, he says, what happens if you get injured?

Speaker 8 And I went, then I get injured.

Speaker 7 He goes, what happens if you get killed? And I went, then you bury me. He says, yeah, me and your mum, we bury you.
And I went to bed that night thinking, I can't join the military.

Speaker 7 Geez, I can't put out my family.

Speaker 2 But I thought, you know what? Fuck you.

Speaker 2 I'm going to prove to you.

Speaker 7 I can fucking do it. That was the rocket I needed up my ass.

Speaker 7 Every single day I wanted to quit, I thought of those words. And he was at the end.
And my dad told me why he did it.

Speaker 7 He says, because had I not done that to you, you'd had an option to come home and you'd have walked away. And I would have.

Speaker 7 Slightly different, but

Speaker 7 I put that on you to one, to kind of hate me to give you that last little spark, but two, because we knew we had you, we had you, you were a front runner by that stage. Yes, you were.

Speaker 7 You were almost going to fall by the way. Had we have been soft with you in the

Speaker 7 you'd have probably gone, I'm done.

Speaker 8 You're missing.

Speaker 8 Me and your family, I think you were pregnant pregnant at the time yeah we all have small voices that can turn into an excuse that we can then say it's remembered in all our mothers i saw it in everyone i saw it in myself you start like you start being like well

Speaker 2 like you said i think you know how you know it's not

Speaker 8 yeah i don't want to get too hurt because i got to provide the excuse becomes a reason and then the reason is you're way out and we can't do that brother we've got to keep you guys in a waste for you to walk totally oh i mean i

Speaker 2 for you yeah

Speaker 2 and for us because we've got you to this point now you need that last bit and you weren't going to be a cuddly hey come on yeah get your ass out there and get on with it before we let you guys go we were talking last night and uh you you have five kids right six six five daughters five daughters yeah and you told a very personal story to me i'd love if you if you could share uh you know that night at the bar and you had your daughter pick you up well i mean it came about because we're talking about children and family.

Speaker 7 And the most important thing in life is time. And you've got to make the most of it because we don't know how much we've got.
That became very apparent to me, you know, after this particular night.

Speaker 7 The story Nick's talking about. So one night, it was only about five, six years ago, I'm in town with a bunch of military guys and friends in a pub, having a few beers, and I like a lot of beer.

Speaker 7 And I'd had a few too many, so I couldn't drive. So I called my daughter up and I said, Kaylee, can you come and pick me up? Yeah, dad, no problem.

Speaker 7 So Kaylee comes down and I am a a nightmare when we have drinks. I have a thing called One for the Road and it's a long fucking road.
So we drink for hours after.

Speaker 7 So my daughter's turned up waiting to take me home and now three hours have gone past because I'm still drinking.

Speaker 7 And we're all having conversations.

Speaker 8 So you do.

Speaker 7 And we're talking about military stuff I've done and this. And people are going, how did you walk away from this? And all these stories.

Speaker 1 She's outside in the car.

Speaker 7 She stood next to us in the car, waiting for me to leave. Quiet, just listening.
So anyway, eventually we leave and we're in the car.

Speaker 7 She's driving me home and I'm kind of half drunk and I look at her and I can see tears running down her face. And I'm like, I said, Kayla, look, I'm sorry I kept you three hours longer.

Speaker 7 And she just looked at me and says, no, dad, I don't know you. I've just realized I don't know you.
Me and my sisters and your brother, we don't know you.

Speaker 2 I went, what do you mean?

Speaker 7 And she said,

Speaker 7 for three hours, I've just heard stories about my dad. that none of us know anything about.
Says, I really feel. And I sobered up immediately.
And I thought, wow.

Speaker 7 You know because I hadn't took the time because of the life I had in the military my life when I joined the SAS was constant warfighting for the whole time all over the globe.

Speaker 7 You know, I wasn't home a lot and the time I was home I didn't spend enough time with my kids and my family which I wish if I could turn back time I would I'd change it.

Speaker 7 That's exactly what I would do. I could never regret that.
But when she said those words to me, it sobered me up immediately.

Speaker 2 And I thought, wow.

Speaker 7 That led to me writing my memoirs down and actually writing a book. Because I've been asked many times, write a book.

Speaker 2 I don't want to write a book.

Speaker 7 But I wrote my book, which I've given you, my autobiography. I've cut out a lot of the military stuff.
It's about who I was and why I want.

Speaker 7 And it's everything, water and all, you know, being a bad kid, being an asshole, failing. But that was the reason I did it that very night.

Speaker 7 You know, I went home, I sobered up in her car, thinking about what she'd said to me. And she was right.
The kids knew nothing about my life.

Speaker 7 And again, it led me to

Speaker 7 we always say, let's do it tomorrow. And this is my lesson to everybody.
Never say, let's do it tomorrow. Do it.
If you're going to do something, fucking do it.

Speaker 7 So I used to say to my father, my dad, when I joined the SES,

Speaker 7 he made out he didn't know I was in the SES. He made out he didn't know anything about what I was doing.
Well, actually, he didn't, because we didn't tell him.

Speaker 7 But I always said to him, when I got decorated by the Queen and he turned up, and he's listening to why I'm getting this medal from the Queen. And my dad's looking at my mum going, he did what?

Speaker 2 And mum's going, I don't know.

Speaker 7 He's never told me. So he's listening to these stories.
And I said, Dad, I'll tell you. I'll come and and have a beer with you and I'll tell you.
I'll come down next week.

Speaker 7 Of course, next week comes by. I didn't go down.
I didn't do it. So on and so forth.
And I never got around to doing it. Long story short, I get a phone call, middle of the night.

Speaker 7 At the time, my mom had cancer. So I was expected to die anyway.
But my dad had died. So it was a complete shock to me.

Speaker 2 Whoa, whoa, my dad's died?

Speaker 7 And then three weeks later, my mom died. And I never had the chance to sit down and tell them those stories.
And it was re

Speaker 2 lived in my head when my daughter said that to me so the importance of time and doing the right thing and spending and saying what you really want to say when you've got the opportunity to do do it because that's that's what it was thanks for sharing that man that's a it's a great story it's a it's a great lesson and um i could talk to you guys for hours i know you got to get going but uh thank you it's an experience i'll never forget and i hope people keep watching special forces because it's it's so fun to watch you learn a lot it's great to watch with your family and um yeah it's been,

Speaker 2 like I said, I'll never forget it.

Speaker 8 Thanks for having us, Nick.

Speaker 2 It's awesome.

Speaker 7 Make you part of that brotherhood and family now.

Speaker 7 One lesson you'll take away from this is the camaraderie of you guys. You know, you met for the first time in this billet, all watching each other and wondering.

Speaker 7 And then all of a sudden that bond becomes really strong. And it'll be like that forever now.
That's exactly like the military.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we keep in touch. And even we had, you know, Brody.

Speaker 8 Brody, you know, and like, it's almost like two different classes.

Speaker 8 You know, they both went through their selection.

Speaker 2 There's already a bond, right? Yeah, Dr. Colours.
Yeah. Dr.
Super.

Speaker 7 Lunatic, crazy family run by the inmates.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 8 Incredible.

Speaker 2 Well, we appreciate you guys. You're welcome.

Speaker 7 Likewise, mate. Yeah, God bless you.
You keep doing great things what you do.

Speaker 2 Likewise. Let's plug the show.
When's it on?

Speaker 8 Okay, Special Forces World's Toughest Test tonight, Wednesdays on Fox.

Speaker 8 But all y'all working night jobs, get on Hulu the next day, and you can catch it streaming.

Speaker 2 There you go. All right.
See you later.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, those guys are a trip.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they have so many crazy stories.

Speaker 2 I feel like they. Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I could just talk to them for hours.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's hard to believe that the stuff that they do is real.
You know, it's like just crazy stories.

Speaker 2 Literal life and death.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's

Speaker 2 like Rudy didn't even, like, Rudy was like a, he was a world champion kickboxer before he even entered the military. It's like after he accomplished that.
Anyways, it's crazy, but

Speaker 2 it's so fun to have him. It definitely brings me back.
All right. Well, let's wrap up with a little southern hospitality.

Speaker 2 This show's pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah i'm locked in i feel like it it's emmy carry emmy and will are carrying that's the only reason i'm tuned in right is like see the like craziness of their relationship it's never good when you have two bros telling you how bad you are to your girlfriend yeah

Speaker 2 and the way that it usually doesn't happen usually the guys will like

Speaker 1 Got your back, man. Won't say anything.

Speaker 2 And they're like, yeah, you're really a bad boyfriend.

Speaker 1 You said awful things. Terrible.

Speaker 1 Also, the way that, I mean, and maybe that's just the way he acts typically, but I feel like I'm so in tune with like everything Nick does that like the second he breathes differently, I'm like, are you okay?

Speaker 1 Is something going on? Like, you know, and the way that he was being so weird sitting on that couch and she wasn't like, are you good? Like, what's going on? Why are you being so weird? Nothing.

Speaker 1 She just

Speaker 1 anyways, wait, give me a foot massage.

Speaker 2 The foot massage.

Speaker 1 But like, you could tell he never does it. She's like, really? And it's like, we're not even questioning that.
Like, you know, and tell me what you guys talked about.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, now you're willing to run myself.

Speaker 5 I i just don't even remember it's just like a long day it's a long day it's like i'm gonna go on a limb and say they don't end up together well will and emmy did not show up to the premiere party but we did both of them didn't show up but emmy did clap back online on twitter saying like guys you're with like the family it was nothing it was nothing it was also i'm just saying they're not they're not built to last yeah you know

Speaker 2 these are two people on different pages

Speaker 4 and if they do last it's a bummer for emmy for love for love

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Bravo one. Can we

Speaker 2 get into the Joe Bradley and TJ drama? Yeah, what do you think? I think TJ is messy, and I think what he did was really unfair to Joe Bradley.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think of how many people we talk to on the show, you know. What does it mean when he looks at my Instagram story? It's just like, if you have a crush on someone, you read into

Speaker 2 every little

Speaker 2 thing. And I just think it's a little unfair for TJ to project his crush onto Joe and then kind of softly accuse him.
Not even softly. No, accuse him of leaving.

Speaker 1 He went and told a bunch of people that he thought he was gay.

Speaker 2 There's that. And then saying he's let him on and things like that.
And it's just like, you know, Joe seems like he consumes alcohol a decent amount.

Speaker 2 Joey Bottles. Joey Bottles.
In his words, he was blacked out.

Speaker 2 I mean, I've never blacked out, but I know I have friends who've blacked out and they don't remember, they black out. They don't remember anything.

Speaker 2 I mean, I have some friends in college where like they just became different people.

Speaker 5 He said he blacked out, but then he also said he remembered like rolling over and cuddling. So, that's where it's like, there's a little bit of a discrepancy in both stories.

Speaker 1 I feel like that whole situation, like him remembering that, was probably him only remembering that because TJ brought it up to him.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like maybe if TJ would have never said anything about it, then he would have never remembered that he rolled over and put his arm around him.

Speaker 1 But I think because TJ went to him and was like, You cuddled me last night, then he's like, Okay, well, the explanation for that is I was blacked out.

Speaker 2 I'm used to sleeping with a girl i i like to cuddle like that doesn't mean anything

Speaker 5 you're you're smirking no i'm not smirking i i don't believe in accusing people of like what their sexuality is and tj is for sure messy but i can also see that there might be a world where like that friendship breakup in quotes is more blown out of proportion than it would be if it was literally just a friend breakup yes like there might have been some emotional connection perspective though it doesn't i mean he doesn't seem like he has a problem being his friend joe won't even stand next to tj in a room like he won't be able to do that.

Speaker 2 Maybe that's because TJ has gotten so fucking weird around him.

Speaker 1 No, TJ's walked away every time Joe's come up to him and Will as they're talking and he tries and

Speaker 2 he's at Lake House.

Speaker 5 Like even Joe's like avoiding

Speaker 5 it. I just see that there might be another like world.

Speaker 4 Joe's really upset by this as well.

Speaker 1 But I'm also like TJ's made it very clear that he doesn't want to be around Joe and walking away from him and telling all of their mutual friends he wants nothing to do with him.

Speaker 1 So why after 15 attempts, why would Joe continue? He's going to give him space and he's going to stay over there while you're hanging out in the pool with my my girlfriend.

Speaker 2 And can be Joe be upset because you lost a friend? Yeah, he can be. Yeah.
He can be. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or also that maybe your friend wasn't who you thought they were because you had trust with them and then they're going around telling things about you that may not be true, that may or may not be true.

Speaker 5 What was the, where's the continuity in TJ telling Joe that he was in love with them?

Speaker 1 It's season two. I haven't gotten there yet.

Speaker 5 Because that changes my perspective a little bit of like, he knew TJ was crushing on him. So for me, I would pull back at that point if I wasn't interested.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like that's where I know like this is not a friendship to him.

Speaker 1 But the thing is, like, I don't know where, because I'm already seven, six or seven episodes in and it hasn't happened.

Speaker 1 So that's where I'm like, this sounds like this is something that happens towards the end of a season, which would make sense why we're opening up this season with them not being friends at all.

Speaker 2 I think TJ's real messy. He's very messy.
He's really messy.

Speaker 4 He's really messy.

Speaker 4 But there is, there is something to, and this is not like excusing TJ's actions whatsoever, but I do think it does open up a very interesting relationship dynamic between like a gay person and a straight person being that close in friendships and like when feelings get involved, it gets complicated.

Speaker 2 Well, sure. Anytime feelings get involved, period gets complicated.

Speaker 2 But whether it's a gay person, a straight person, or you know, a man and a woman who are both heterosexual and one person thinks they're a friend, oftentimes when a man and a woman are seemingly platonic friends, there's often one person who feels a little bit differently about that, but the other person has the most pure of intentions and just wants to be their friend.

Speaker 2 They just don't think of them romantically, like at all. And the person who has feelings, they start getting weird.

Speaker 2 They, you know, they start thinking, well, I don't know if I can hang around them anymore because they have feelings.

Speaker 2 But like the person who just sees it as a friendship, like, you know, what are they supposed to do? And again, they, they value the friendship.

Speaker 2 They could mourn the loss of a friendship, but just the way TJ delivers it is if Joe was supposed to do something differently.

Speaker 2 And his big moment is a time in which Joe was blacked out, which is just like, okay, well, that's all you're going on. And again, it was just a cuddle.

Speaker 2 Is it that hard to believe that Joe rolled over, put his arm around whoever he was in bed with, and it

Speaker 2 was, there's nothing to read into?

Speaker 1 I just also feel like we have to start normalizing going directly to a person and having that conversation because the amount of drama and the amount of stuff where I'm like, hey, give it to me because I watch it.

Speaker 1 But I'm like the amount of drama that's being created around a conversation that could have happened between two people come to a formal understanding.

Speaker 1 And it sounds like there was a conversation to where TJ admits his feelings and Joe says he doesn't reciprocate.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the timeline of certain events are, but I'm like, at that case, when somebody tells you who they are, what they think, what they feel, just believe that.

Speaker 1 It's also like why Maddie went to Emmy's house to be like, I need to tell her about this and then didn't even say anything. And it's like, yeah, what are these people doing?

Speaker 1 How, how can you say you're friends with these people if like you can't that would the first thing I would do if I heard something about my friend is like go directly to my friend and ask that question.

Speaker 1 It's like the way that none of these people can do that. Well, and also what's so weird is that somebody did this to Maddie.

Speaker 1 I think it was actually Joe did this to Maddie about her ex that was on the first two seasons saying that, you know, he's back cheating, whatever it was, and she blows up.

Speaker 1 But it's like, at the end of the day, yes, sometimes hearing things that you don't want to believe makes you angry and you react and you're like, and you're in denial.

Speaker 1 But a friend that wants to tell you something, there's no friend that you should have that's close to you that's trying to just ruin your relationship to ruin your relationship.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm sorry, I heard a piece of information. I think everyone else is talking about it.
You should also know about this. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, it's shoot the messenger.

Speaker 5 And then, Nick, in your defense, I do see like TJ does, and I've only seen this season look desperate that he's reading into both Michaels and then also Joe Bradley, and he's making these into I don't like you, but then I do like you, and now you're in the wrong, but like, I'm not in the wrong, I'm the victim, but then also you did me wrong.

Speaker 5 So, it's like, yeah, he's just messy at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like when his feelings are hurt, he's immediately the victim in his own little world, but he's good TV, he is good TV. So,

Speaker 2 the uh, my favorite, the uh, good character, but bad character, you know, Lisa Barlow plays a good character on TV, maybe not have the most good character as a human, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, can I also just like raise just like a little bit of concern where Emmy went up to Siobhan and was like, pretty much just like, okay, like, we're cool now.

Speaker 1 And it was just like, okay, I love you. I love you.
Okay, bye. And it's just like, you just blew up at your work.
Also, kind of fucked up of like to put them all in the same room. That too.

Speaker 4 But the Michaels didn't want to be with Emmy.

Speaker 2 What bodies of water can be names other than that? River. Ocean.
River. Ocean.
cloud, it's not a body of water,

Speaker 2 it is technically

Speaker 2 technically a body of water, evaporated, evaporated,

Speaker 2 sea,

Speaker 2 storm, ma, i mean, technically the name, like mar is uh, is ocean in Spanish, so any like Maria, Mary, marsh comes from Marsha, marsh, pond, reservoir, Everglade, that would be a beautiful name for a baby bird, pond, pond, no, stream, swamp, swamp,

Speaker 2 lagoon,

Speaker 2 like lagoon is kind of funny,

Speaker 2 lagoon by all. Rain.
River and Lagoon.

Speaker 4 River and Lagoon.

Speaker 2 Lagoony.

Speaker 2 Rain. Rain.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of people who have an R, they do

Speaker 1 roads, river, rain. They're all in that.
Bayou.

Speaker 2 Bayou. Bayou.

Speaker 2 Beautiful. Bayou by all.
Huddle.

Speaker 2 Huddle.

Speaker 2 What is abyss?

Speaker 2 Abyss. Abyss.

Speaker 2 Fjord. Pacific.

Speaker 2 If Bjork can be in Fjord. Atlantic was cured.

Speaker 2 Drought. Atlantic.
Well, that's

Speaker 2 Pacific.

Speaker 2 That's cute, though. Pacific by all.
Mississippi.

Speaker 2 Waterfall.

Speaker 2 How much I enjoyed that. Waterfall.
Waterfall. Waterfall's cute.
Yeah. That's too long.

Speaker 2 Is that the first name, or is that a first and middle name?

Speaker 2 Waterfall. Fish tank.

Speaker 1 Fish tank. Estuary.
Fish tank. Aquarium.

Speaker 2 Aquarium.

Speaker 2 Aquarium. Aquarium is good for it.

Speaker 2 Stream could be cute. Stream.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Brackish. That's what you call a mix mix of salt and fresh water.
Mist. Mist.
Misty. Fog.

Speaker 1 Breeze. Okay, I feel like this conversation is done.

Speaker 4 I like, I do like Lake. I think she's really cool.

Speaker 5 She is cool. Yeah.
Her family is cute. She's rich as fuck.

Speaker 1 She's rich as fuck. She's well-traveled.

Speaker 1 Because she's rich as fuck.

Speaker 4 Because she's rich as fuck. She's like, yeah, I just like studied art.

Speaker 2 Also, her art, pretty good.

Speaker 4 It's not bad. And I wouldn't say that if I didn't believe it.

Speaker 2 If I'm going to spoil my kids, it's going to be giving them opportunities to go abroad.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like like that's

Speaker 2 it will not be buying them cars after their name. She's being rich cars who are going to be taken.

Speaker 2 Bodyguards. Billy.
Billy.

Speaker 2 We got a guy.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, that will do it for this episode.
Thank you to our special guests, Mayambialik and Billy and Rudy.

Speaker 2 Make sure to check out our special going deeper episode with Brodie Jenner that came out yesterday. Also, check out Reality Recap Tuesday if you haven't.
It's a wild, wild episode.

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