E871 Going Deeper with Brody Jenner

you're crazy well brody welcome to the ballfalls man thank you thank you very much for having me it's good to be with you yes thank you big fans i think i've been i've been hoping to have you on for quite a bit now dude i i don't do these things ever i'm not a i'm not a pod i've done some podcasts, but I'm not a huge

podcast. I don't do that many.
I feel like you've kind of, I mean, and maybe it's just having a baby, but I feel like you've really just honed in on like your personal life and staying a little bit more private. Absolutely.
I think that I've had sort of the opportunity to be able to do that, which has been a lot of fun. I think that, as you guys know, because congratulations, by the way, and that's amazing.
And is it, it's a boy or girl? It's a girl. It's just going to be one.
But girls, oh, they just. When you guys were pregnant, when your fiance was pregnant, were you hoping for a gender? Were you kind of, whatever happens? I think that healthy, obviously, was our, is our, you know, our number one thing was healthy.
You know, you're just like, oh, you just pray every day that your baby's healthy. And I think that as far as gender goes, I went back and forth with boy, you know, cause I'm like, you gotta carry on the name.
The boy is going to carry on the name and all this. And my brother had a daughter for his first child and he's got, he's got twin boys.
But like I said, healthy was most important. Once I had a girl, I want all girls.
I'm not even exact. I love being a girl dad so much.
It's weird. How old is she now? She's 18 months.
So what, nine months? Yeah. I don't know what it is, but you're in it.
You it gets, it gets gross. You know, it's been awesome.
I was someone who, you know, grew up always like hoping I could have a son. You know, I want, I didn't really, you know, obviously didn't really care.
It's like someday I hope pass the name, play some sports, whatever. And then as soon as river came out, you're just like, you couldn't imagine anything else.
And then now, you know, it's just like, as we think about, you know, maybe growing our family and things like that. It's just like you couldn't imagine anything else and then now you know it's just like as we think about you know maybe growing our family and things like that it's just like there's something about like it's really easy to love a daughter you know and i think as dads and we i was talking about with friends it's just like i got almost nervous having a boy it's just like totally will i project too much onto my son will i try too hard well i think with river, it's just it's just more like, man, you just want to love on her and just take care of her.
It just feels so natural and so easy. It's a weird feeling.
And I feel like the dad role with the son is also very, like, it's tough. You got to raise a son and to teach him all those values to be a good man in society.
You got to teach them a lot of stuff. I think it's tougher now more than ever for boys out there.
For sure. And especially what's, what's great is let's say we do have a boy, which I would love to have a boy, you know, to, like I said, healthy, most important.
But if we do have a boy, I feel that it's so imperative and amazing that he has this amazing older sister in his life. And that I think teaches men so much.
And I was very blessed to have a lot of sisters in my life, stepsisters, biological. And I think that helped me a lot growing up to be understanding to women and to understand certain needs and certain things and how to be compassionate.
And I think it teaches a man a lot to be around female energy as they're growing up. Sure.
Especially sisters or things like that, that nature. Yeah.
Sure. What do you think about that? Yeah.
Why are you looking at me like that? You don't think me? No, no, no. I have two brothers.
One, I'm the youngest of seven. So you're the youngest.
I'm the youngest of seven. I like the older sister to the younger brother.
Where do you fall in line? I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest brother.
Okay. So I'm the youngest brother.
But the older sister, you know, to a man, I just think like that helps. I do.
I really think it like having the older sister and it's just, you have to respect women and respect authority from what it's just, I don't know. I mean, my brother, he's above me.
He's like two years above me. And then there's two older sisters above him.
And I feel like he is just so like, no, just knows everything about females because we just were like beat it into his brain of like, we're on our periods. Oh yeah, I mean, I have.
Almost two. I was painting my nails.
I was playing with Barbies. They were my sisters.
I had the little G.I. Joes and then they had the big Barbies.
You have sisters? Yeah, I have 10 siblings.

Oh, that's right.

You were telling me that.

So I'm surrounded by sisters.

So it was my older sister, me, and then I have two sisters after me.

And then she had four boys in a row and three girls in a row.

Wow.

So my closest brother is like seven years younger, which is not that big of a gap nowadays.

But when I was younger, it was just me and my, it was like I had just sisters.

Absolutely.

So it was like,

yeah,

it was a lot of hanging out with them.

And yeah,

I remember being like in first grade,

just being like,

why can't I paint my nails?

You know?

You can,

why not?

You still do it,

rather than painting out.

Yeah.

Why not?

I mean,

now I think it'll be fun to like have,

when you go through that stage with your daughter,

of like her wanting to put makeup on you

and do your hair.

And like,

it'll be so fun.

Thank you. why not? I mean, now I think it'll be fun to like have when you go through that stage with your daughter of like her wanting to put makeup on you and do your hair and like, it'll be so fun.
Bring it on. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it really has just been such a blessing.
You know, what is her personality like? She's really smart. I mean, she's smart.
She's talking already. She's, you know, communicating.
She's funny. She's got this personality that's very, she's, she's clever.
She's got this, like she jokes all the time, which is weird. She's so little and she's like jokes and she does side eyes.
You tell her to give you a side and she'll give you a side and go like, she's witty. I mean, she's got her personality.
Our daughter's also a genius. Yeah.
I feel like every parent is always like that. They're just, that's genius.
Yeah. I know.
I will say though that I do credit all of that mostly to my amazing fiance, Tia. She's such a good mom.
She really is. She's been so good ever since she's been an infant to just work with her patient.
She's always working with her speech and talking and this and playing. And she did so much research going into it.
She's just been amazing. And I think that that help a lot yeah i'm very lucky to have nally she's like i feel like i'm one of the most hands-on dads but like compared to like the finer details that nally does like there's there's little things that she's researched i'm more like you know just let's just feel it out like right just trust your gut you know which is like kind of good and i'm like you have a lot of siblings grew up around babies, very familiar, but I've learned a lot that I had no idea.
And Natalie brings to my attention through all like the little details that she looks into and things like that. Totally.
And I think nowadays too, I mean, you, there's so much like research and online and stuff you can find. There's so many things you can learn about that.
I don't think that our parents had when we were growing up, you know, it it was just sort of winging so there is a lot of information out there that does make such a difference you know things that tia has done with honey you can really see how it's helped her developmental stage you know a lot so it's how did you meet we met in hawaii um we sort of started you know i slid into the dms and I'm gonna get it. Okay.
Okay. I did it to him.
You did it to her.

All right. All right.

That's my shame.

Hey, you know i slid into the dms hey you know i mean it's just it's interesting like you know instagram and those kind of things where you have people's information they don't even know i mean everybody you know so i did i i saw her on that show on the surfing show the ultimate surfer Worst sounds ever The ultimate surfer It's been a long time

We're on Instagram the surfing show, the ultimate surfer. What am I talking about? Yeah.
Worst ever. No, it was, uh, yeah, the ultimate surfer.

It's been a long time.

Followed with her on TV.

Yeah.

America's best surfer.

No,

no,

no.

It was,

um,

no,

it's called the ultimate surfer and Tia was on it and I saw her on there.

I had never seen her before and I follow surfing pretty,

you know,

I'm a surfer and I've been in the ocean.

I was like,

who is this girl?

I've never heard of her.

She's incredible.

She's beautiful.

She serves better than all these. I was kind of blown away by her.
So I looked her up and then I saw her. And then I think I saw her.
I don't know. I think she was like shooting some guns or something outside.
I was just like, whoa, this is, I'm really in love now. Jackpot.
She was shooting guns. I'm like, I'm sold.
I'm in. So I think I reached out to her and just was like, hey, you know, wow.
Anyway, we just small talk. And we did that for quite a while.
I think we just sort of talked very briefly for almost a year maybe. And then I was on a family trip in Hawaii and she was on a neighboring island and she wanted me to come to her.
And I was like, listen, like my whole family's here. I can't really leave.
And I was like, look, there is one plus side. You get to meet my entire family in one.
And our first, you know you know first time we meet you get to meet every single person like not everyone but 95 of them that's tough you know so she was like all right i understand so she came over and we spent the day and honestly like as soon as i saw her as soon as i picked her up from the airport i was just completely i mean she's amazing yeah i'm very Very lucky to have her. I mean, we still, you know, we still battle.
I mean, we still fight. You gotta keep it exciting, you know? The more I looked into you, it's just the more I was like, man, I feel like me and Brody have a lot of similarities in terms of our relationship history and things like that.
We're relatively the same age. we both look good for our age you know you

know we try really hard man we try moisturize somebody's asked me that today on the show like what is your routine you know what do you i'm like i don't have like a routine but i was like the one thing i guess i do do is moisture i've always dishwasher detergent like exactly yeah you just like the body lotion i don't know what it is and rub it all over my face too.

But I think like lotion.

Yeah, I mean, I've uh you know people certainly because i was on the basher know at least a chunk of my dating history and then after that just kind of being in the public eye especially if you're known for like once you go on the basher like half your audience really only gives a shit about who you're dating who who you're not dating. And then even before that, I had been engaged before.
I certainly had my downs in relationships. And obviously now that Natalie and I are married, it's been a great relationship.
And I've learned a lot from my past mistakes. How is your relationship different? And I guess what have you learned from all the other relationships that you've been in? Honestly, I think just life experience.
I think that there's not one specific thing that I've learned. I think that as you guys both know, just every year, you just, you just are different.
I was just the other day going to say something on my TikTok. Cause I was like, isn't it so crazy? Cause you see all these young TikTokers with the face tats and the, this, or now the spray tans and these guys had some veneers and they were doing this video and I reposted on my thing, cause it was so ridiculous, this video.
And I'm thinking like those kids though, right now think that that's cool. And they're like, you know, this is cool.
This, but if, you know, when they're my age and they look back at themselves, they're going to be like, what was I thinking? And I think that's how life is with relationships. I think that it's, it's all this entire thing that we're doing right now, living and, you know, living and breathing is an experience.
And it's a learning experience if you are able to open yourself up and not be too close-minded and learn. And I think that from all those relationships, I've learned a lot as far as what not to do or what does work.
What are the things that do work? What are the things that don't work? And I think just life experience has helped me. Because I think if I would have met Tia in my twenties, we might've not been together.
We might've, because I think I was young and I was immature and I was wild and I was going out and I was partying. I was there, you know, I was, I was a young male living in Hollywood on a television show.
And that's, you know, I was, I was wild for sure. And I've definitely now settled down.
And I think that I reached a certain point in my life where I just was like, you know, really trying to find what made me happy. Like, what do I enjoy? Do I enjoy being single? Do I enjoy being in a relationship? And I found that I do love being in a relationship.
I really love, I love love and I love being in a relationship, but I had to do some things to change, to, to better myself, to be able to just be an all around better father, especially when kids are involved, you know, as soon as you have a kid, it's like, it's, you know, so I just, I think that over time I've just kind of lived life and learned what not to do and what to do and what, what's good and what's bad. And we, you know, we're all human.
I still make mistakes. I think we all do.
When I met, when I met Natalie early on, once things got serious, I was like, I definitely want to have kids, but I don't think I ever want to get married. And I, I had never been married before, but you know, through the various engagements I had been a part of, it was this more like, you know, it's 2024 fuck marriage.
I don't really care. Totally.
Obviously that changed for me mostly because of Natalie. I know you guys are engaged, but was that a hurdle? You know, you've you've been married before right yeah i was i got i was yeah i did get married before i had a the thing we got married in indonesia a while ago we never officially signed you know did the whole so never no so technically so technically no you know technically no i was never officially married i didn't have to go through a divorce we had a big party you know we had a big raging party in Indonesia.
It's like getting married in a married. I didn't have to go through a divorce.
You basically did a scene. We had a big party, you know?

Yeah.

We had a big raging party in Indonesia.

It's like getting married in a movie.

And didn't have to go through that legal battle

when we separated, which was nice.

That's a blessing.

Yeah, and I think that for me, I was the same way.

I've, you know, growing up,

that's all I knew was divorce and parents and fighting.

And when they did get a divorce,

just how messy it was and fighting over the, I mean, it was just, you know, I saw that my whole life and that definitely put me off marriage for a long time. You know, I was just kind of like, I don't know if I want to do that.
You know, why? It's just, you're signing your life. Well, why do we need to do that? Why can't we just be together? And if we're not in love anymore, just go our separate ways without that sort of signature that says, well, you know, I get this and you get this and this is your your divvy it up.
You know, that's just, I feel like, you know, you should just know whose is like, okay, this is mine. This is yours.
Let's do this friendly. It's just so sad when you see people spend so much time together and create this life together.
And then when they get a divorce, how many times you see it just go so South. And now all of a sudden these two people hate each other.
And then they're going, you know, let's say somebody cheats or something like that. You know, your spouse, they want to, they want to take everything that you got.
If you cheat, you do something like that. I mean, get ready.
Cause it's going to be messy. And I just think that now having met the right, I mean, Tia is the love of my life.
And I think that, you know, overall back then it was just a little, my headspace was a little different. I think now once I met Tia and I just, I really want to see her in that wedding dress.
I want to see her and look like we talked about, we learned, you learned, I learned, you know, like what, you know, I kind of feel like my first marriage was a little, I was, you know, not really ready. I just kind of was like, okay, I'll just do it anyway.
You know, nothing, not to say anything bad about my, any of my exes, but, uh, you know, just life happens and I learned. And then now it's, I'm, I've finally found the right person.
And we have this beautiful daughter and I want to see honey in the wedding. I want to see her watching Tia in the way.
And I think we're going to get a little dress for honey. I mean, it's just, I feel like it's, it feels more now.
Like it's like, this is, this is a family. Yeah, totally.
It just feels right. So I feel like I'm in a place in my life where I do want to get married I want that I want the family I want the kids I want I'm just I'm you know Do you feel like growing up with all of that divorce and all the heartbreak and all the fighting do you feel like that taught you in your marriages or in relationships to like fight until the end or to like kind of at the first sign be like i can't do this absolutely 1000 it really because tia's parents you they've been together over 30 years you know her parents have you know so and i know a lot of people that have parents that have fought through it and stayed married and i think that i'm envious of that and i think that it's it's worth fighting for you know if you really love the person and you really love your family and you don't want to see your, you know, ultimately it's the kids that, you know, that's who it affects the most, you know, when the family unit is broken up and even, you know, it doesn't, it affects them as much as you think it doesn't.
And it's the little things, you know? But ultimately, if it's better for you guys, for parents to split up, to take away the fighting and to take away all that stuff in front of the kid, that's important too.

If you are not able to coexist as parents and show you know your child that this is what love looks like affection love hugging that is so important if you guys are going to argue and do that stuff make sure you do it somewhere else in front of the kid one of the things things I'm most proud about me and Natalie is, well, thankfully we have good communication and we rarely fight, but I just love the environment we raised our daughter in and just that energy. Cause I think that definitely matters.
And like, you know, like you mentioned, you know, Natalie and I kind of have that difference in our upbringing. I was lucky enough to have the parents still together.
I've never really seen them fight. Maybe as an adult they bicker now but they were very good about like keeping that you know private now i came from more of a broken home but our motivations are still the same you know in terms of i have my reasons for wanting to replicate what my parents have in a lot of ways and she has her reasons for to not do the opposite right the opposite and it comes from that same good plays.
Yeah, that's another. It's interesting here, you know, like, I'm so grateful like, like exes,

like. Do the opposite.
Do the opposite. And it comes from that same good place.
Yeah, that's another. It's interesting here.
I'm so grateful. Like exes.
One, I'm grateful for everything. The good and bad because I have learned so much from.
But now that I've gotten older, some of my exes from way in the past, I've told this to Natalie, I'm like, oh, fuck. I used to be in a relationship.
It's so fucking long ago. Yeah.
You know, like 15 years ago. You're like, wait.
And you think about how much these people were in those moments, a big part, they were your whole life. Oh yeah.
You know, when you're dating someone and then to have the years go by where you're like, was that a dream? Totally. It kind of feels like a surreal thing that, you know, maybe it's a surprise of getting older that she doesn't relate to yet.
No, I know. I was like, sorry, I'm oh my god like oh yeah i was like how old is tia tia's 28 or 27 she's 27 26 yeah so she has the same age yeah well wow we're like yeah and you are uh 44 so 44 yeah we're we're like right this is all neck and neck yeah we go we gotta all hang out yeah all right so do So do y'all live in Hawaii or are you? We do.
We live half. You know, I love Hawaii.
I always have. Tia spent a lot of her time growing up in Hawaii.
So did I. We just love it over there.
We love the people. We love the lifestyle.
We love everything about it. Unfortunately, with work and things like that, it is tough when you're over there.
You do kind of get on island time, which is amazing. That's part of the reason why I love it so much, but also you just sort of, you know, you can get real sucked into just family time and go to the beach and you're like, this is too good.
So, uh, we love it. Eventually I could, you know, retire and all that.
I think that we'll probably end up full-time over there right now. We're doing a little bit of back and forth.
I love Malibu's my home. I'm born and raised there pretty much my entire life.
Well, actually my entire life. But there's just a lot of, it's sad, but it's changed a lot from when I grew up in Malibu.
And I think that where we live in Hawaii, it still has those values that I remember growing up as a kid, the localism and the protecting and this, that. And I feel like Malibu, they got a public access.
Every other street is a public access now. And look, and I understand the reasoning behind that.
You want everybody to experience, but it also takes away from why you end up buying in that area. If you're from there, you don't love it.
You're just like, dude, because Malibu is really expensive, you know, and it's expensive to live there and you spend, you spend the money to live there. You want to kind of keep it private and you want your privacy.
Yeah. And also, I mean, obviously fires recently, it's been pretty devastating.
Oh my God. Yeah.
Malibu was hit too, right? You know, Malibu is my, it's just, it's frustrating. I will say that that topic for me is extremely frustrating only because I've grown up in Malibu my whole life and I have saved our home multiple times from fires by staying back and fighting.
And I just, the Woolsey fire, I was there by myself, spraying my house till the bitter end, was able to save it, save the house. And then as soon as the fire went by, you know, I put out spot fires, whatever.
And then I got out of there, which was really important because the fire department had issued save lives, but don't save structures. House was totally savable.
But if you're not there saving it to just rely that the fire department's going to go save it, sometimes that's tough. So it's super important to get all the necessary fire equipment in the offices or just like, masks, things like that.
Because if you are going to stay back and fight, you want to be prepared. But also like how unprepared we were for this is it's inexcusable.
It really is inexcusable because I'm in Hawaii. Somebody said, oh, fire just started in the Palisades.
And I'm like, oh, well, let me check my wind reports real quick. Cause I have, you know, I'm a surfer and I do sailing and all this other stuff.
So I'm like, let me see what the wind's going to be like. And I looked at the wind forecast and I heard and I saw where the fire started.

And I immediately knew, I was like, oh, this is going to be as bad as Maui.

This is going to get probably worse than Maui.

This is going to be so bad.

And I knew that immediately.

The fact that the higher-ups are getting this information 48 hours in advance, days before,

they need to have crews up in the mountain watching for arsonists, watching for people to starve five. Because we all know people love to do that every year.
It seems that there is a fire. They should have been more prepared.
And granted, you can only be so prepared. Let's be, let's be, let's be realistic here.
Let's just say they had all the water in the world and the fire hydrants were working the whole time. All that, let's just say it was, it would have still been a very hard.
Yeah. I think that's the thing.
It was always going to be devastating, but how devastating, it seems like maybe they could have limited that. I mean, with Rick Caruso saving his mall, it's like, clearly, if you have resources, things could have been done.
Exactly. Certain fire breaks, lines cleaning up a lot of that brush that are surrounding those neighborhoods.
I mean, there are, and you know, and unfortunately so many people paid the ultimate price, which is losing everything. And it's just, it's, it really is just devastating for Los Angeles.
Connect with Spencer though. I talked to him every day.
You know, I talked to Spencer today. I know he did you guys show.
Yeah. He's look, he's taken a terrible situation and he's making it into the most positive.
I mean, he lost everything and a lot of people did, and he's just turning to the people, you know, his fans and followers and people to. I love the way him and Heidi have come together.
I love the way he's been just hyping up his wife, like obviously a terrible tragedy, but the way they have demonstrated that they're a family, I don't, maybe it's because obviously I'm in like this dad mode, husband mode, but I find it to be inspirational and attractive and like, you know, obviously terrible. They lost everything, but the way they are trying to rebound, I, I just, I commend them so much.
And I think it's been one of the coolest stories to come out of that whole terrible situation. I couldn't agree with you more.
You know, I've known Spencer since I was, I don't know, 13 years old, 12, 13 years old, long time. And Spencer and I go, wait.
You guys have crazy stories. And the one thing that I'll always tell people about Spencer is Spencer is a great guy.
Spencer's a really, especially incredible husband, incredible father, but also a great friend. Like Spencer will- He rides for the people.
He will, if he, if Spencer, if you're on Spencer's good side, he will go to the grave with you. But if you're on his bad side, he will put you in that grave.
I love how everyone was, anyone who made the video is like safe from Spencer. I want to support him.
Yeah. Everyone's like, oh, you're kidding me.
I'm like, okay, shit. But Spencer has always gotten sort of this bad rap, you know, from the hills.
But Spencer and I go so far back to Princes of Malibu to do a reality television before we even got on the hills. But, you know, people not, not enough people know this about Spencer, that Spencer created that villain, that person, the, the, you know, against Lauren, like that was all Spencer's mind just working.
And his genius is to be able to, I mean, he loved producing reality television. So when we got on the hills, Spencer was like, oh, now I can use my producer brain and I'm going to be the villain.
I'm going to do this. I want to, and he would tell me all the time.
This is when Kevin Federline days, like back in the day with Kevin and Brittany, Spencer used to tell me, he'd be like, I want to be Kevin Federline. I want to be the most hated person in the world.
And I'm just like, I don't. I'm looking at him like, well, I do not want to be that.
So you're on your own. Like, I don't want to be, but he's like, I want to be the most.
And he was adamant that I'm not even exaggerating. He really manifested that.
Like he was so driven to being the most hated guy in the world that he went and he was. And for one time, I really think that he might've been one of the most hated people, like one of, you know, in the world.
And people, he would get death. I mean, he's driving on the street and are yelling i'm screw you spencer you know like oh and then he became a little bit like i don't know if you know that phase of him but then a little bit paranoid and he threw all his hair he's trying to hide himself he's got the guns he's like i got a gun at every you know he walked at any door he's going to costa rica getting busted at like tsa with some loaded i don't know what then he got paranoid he got paranoid because he's like, wait a minute, what did I just do? But he did that.
And then once he tried to backtrack, like, wait a minute, okay, this is a little intense. My life's in danger now.
Then it was really hard to get people to go, oh, you know what? Spencer's actually a really good guy. And I think what's so cool about this and what I'm witnessing is people are finally really getting to see what an incredible father he is, person, husband, like he's, he's, he's really a, an amazing person.
One of the cool things I love doing about this is we get to sit down with people like you and get to know them. And when you talk to someone for an hour or two, I mean, you don't learn everything about them, but you really get a sense of who they are.
And, you know, for the most part, most of the people we interviewed seem like decent people but like especially people like spencer when they come in with like a big reputation yeah and it was just so evident that this guy like his character yeah is strong you know you say what you know you know mistakes or yeah say this say that but like you could tell that the things that matter most in life he he he understood that you know and like his family and just like and things like that his friends i remember him just the way he talked about you and the way he talked about his his wife yeah it's in learning about a story i'm fascinated with it and i have so much respect for him just because to want to play that villain role and to not give a fuck what people think says a lot about you in the best possible way especially now we live in a world where everything people do is just for the the attention for the clicks the likes i mean people are forward thinking well if i do this how much attention will it get people even know yeah if they're being sincere anymore because everything is related to like how are people going to react what are people going to think the word brand is now just like such a i mean i learned the word brand when i was in corporate america and they're like you know you got to protect your brand at work i was like oh and what's that you know this is like 15 years ago now like 12 year old kids are like so what's your brand you know it's like so fucking crazy so for him to like and even just both of you i think what i'm so fascinated by the two of you it's just like your guys is like childhood young adult life yeah you partied you got into some shit but like i'm almost kind of blown away how like relatively normal you guys are and down to earth relatively for sure yeah what is normal yeah like do i want to be down to earth is a better way of saying it. But we've also met some people, they get some attention and you can tell they lose themselves.
Absolutely. Where do you think that came from? I mean, especially with just your crazy upbringing and just always being, I mean, really, you've been one of the most famous people with one of the most famous families.
It's sometimes impossible to some people. I just, I, it's like, I get it.
It's like why they lost themselves. Like they, it's like, they didn't have a chance.
Like, how do you think you were able to do that? I think that I I'm, I'm extremely blessed to have a great parent. My mother was, is just an incredible, incredible mother.
Um, I definitely owe a lot to her. Uh, my stepfather, David Foster was incredible stepfather as well.
He was around and he was great. But I will say that what you're talking about, I think it was my friends.
I think it was parenting, yes, but also my friends. I lived in this neighborhood in Malibu called Sarah Retreat.
And I remember David had just done the Bodyguard soundtrack. So he had just done the

Bodyguard soundtrack. We grew up in Malibu.
We didn't have a ton of money. We grew up in a relatively normal size house and just very normal Malibu upbringing.
And David, he was my stepdad, and he did the Bodyguard soundtrack. He had a lot of success.
I think he won all these Grammys. He really had a year that just transformed his life and he made a lot of money.
And I remember I was around, I think 10 years old and he bought this monstrosity of a house, this place that was like, you know, he's like, Hey, we're going to buy. And it was actually moving next door to my two best friends, Mel Gibson's kids at the time.
And I was like, Oh, I get to live my friend. And we get in all of a sudden we went from like just a normal house to like, I mean, you had to take a train to get from the main house to the pool.
So it was like at 10 years old, all of a sudden we were like, wow, this is, this is wow. And then, and I had a couple broke homies.
I had a couple of homies that had nothing. You know, they literally, they took care of the barn stables.
Their parents took care of the barn stables in this neighborhood that we live in. And they literally live, when I say this, like in a converted barn stall.
And it was two of them, Sergio and Victor and their sister, Laura. And they had three kids and the parents all living in this tiny little home.
And I would have this monstrosity of a mansion, but I would go over and I would sleep at their house. I basically lived at their house and I loved it so much.
I loved the way they live. They'd be trash piled up everywhere.
And I didn't care because they were my best friends. We would go to school.
We loved each other. And I lived in their world and I loved it.
And they showed me what it's like to have no money at all and zero. And I loved it, but I loved them and I loved the way they...
And then I'd be like, hey, I took them on their first plane flight. I took them to all these things.
And I had all these, David was working with at the time, like Barbra Streisand, all these celebrities. And for me, that was kind of normal.
I never really looked at being a celebrity as something that was like, oh, wow, I want to be that, or I want to be a celebrity. I looked at them as normal people because I would see them all the time.
And I think coming from a world where you get to see both sides, where I was very in touch with friends, people that didn't have any money at all, and then I'd all of a sudden be in these environments where I'm hanging out with Celine Dion and this. And having both of those worlds, I think really helped me understand that fame, money, all that shit, it doesn't mean anything.
All that stuff doesn't mean anything unless you, you know, your health is gone. I mean, health should be number one, most important thing in life is your health.
You know, fame and money. It's some people think

it's a blessing, but a lot of times it can be a curse. Well, and I'm sure you got a front row seat to some of that.
Absolutely. Front row seat to maybe how some of the famous or rich people in your orbit or circle treated each other or treated themselves or lack of health or tragedy.
That's the thing about tragedy. It doesn't care about your privilege.
It doesn't care about, you know, uh, what you have. And, and then you got to see like, you're mentioning your best friends and how they treated each other and their family, their connectedness.
Oh, and it was great. I'm sure it was just transforming.
Yeah. It was just so, you know, a lot of times you see the more, like, what is it? More money, more problems.
I mean, you see like the way their family unit was, was just so tight and amazing. And it was just, you know, and then you see a lot of people with a lot of money and they're just, it's like, they're all over the place, you know, cause I grew up in LA and I had a lot of friends that had a lot of money.
But I feel like if you grow up in an environment like that, where just everybody around you has just nothing but money and opportunity and all this shit, then you're not going to learn anything. But if you are surrounding yourself with people that have nothing and that you're learning stuff from them, and then you're also sharing all this cool stuff that you have, the wealth, you know, and you're like, Hey, check this out.
Let's go here. Like, you know, and that's kind of what we were doing.
I think it really sort of teaches you and traveling, you know, like I, I traveled a lot. Um, you know, we went to Africa when I was really young.
I got to see some, some really, you know, some communities, a lot of poverty, a lot of, and I got to, you know, I was very blessed to be able to do that sort of stuff too and parents teaching you hey like this isn't normal just so you know like this is not this life is not normal like that is normal so i think that helps a lot yeah i'm sure also like watching your friends like when you took them on place took places and then being like holy fuck you're like oh okay so this isn't normal they were just like blown away you know it's yeah it's pretty it's yeah and i love them and we still talk to this day. I being like, holy fuck.
You're like, oh, okay. So this isn't normal.
This is crazy. They were just like blown away.
You know, it's, yeah, it's pretty, it's, yeah. And I love them.
And we still talk to this day. And like, you know, we're still good friends.
And, you know, one of them works construction and the other one, we're just like, you know, we're like this. That's awesome.
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You and Spencer, like, you could argue that you guys, like, were one of the founding fathers of reality TV. Do you watch it as a fan? Do you keep up, you know, just from- Reality TV now? Yeah, do you, like, do you watch whatever, whether it's The Bachelor or Traders or whatever, Housewives, or do you, are you just like, fuck this shit? I will say- Or you see behind the scenes? I have funny, you know, it's funny about it's funny about you and i remember there was what was the show that you did that was like the island one it was like they all took paradise it's paradise right okay so that i remember it's my best work you're on yeah so you were on the one yeah i think that was your best work because i remember i did watch some of that and i remember one year you were kind of like you know you never were out of shape but you were just kind of like shape.
And then I remember this guy came back one of the seasons. This guy put in some work in the off season.
And I swear to God to this day, I still remember like watching and being like, wait a minute, Nick, look at this guy. And it just, you know, all, and all the girls are like, Oh my God, look at Nick.
And you're just, you know, you're always very good looking guy. But like when you got ripped all of a sudden i was like and then i remember watching being like damn i gotta get ripped now i saw the reaction he's gonna be like i need to get some out of here where am i i met natalie older when i was a little bit older yeah still okay shit but she'll uh every once in a while she'll bring up those photos and then like what the fuck yeah you're not allowed to let just let yourself go now It's just crazy how like they got your best work.
I'm your wife, the mother of your child. I get this.
It's not that bad. Oh, it's funny.
That is funny. It's tough work to do that.
I've gotten in pretty insane shape a couple of times, a few times in my life, but it's a lot. It's a lot of, of it's like it's a lot yeah i was doing yes i mean sticking up for him for sure i mean you seem like you're in great shape you know i mean it takes it's it takes a lot to just do you just are you one of those people that's just blessed you don't even have to um i i i mean post baby i we got married two months later so i really was like i have to how is that doing that because The only reason I ask is because Tia is, post baby, we got married two months later.
So I really was like, I have to. How was that doing that? Because the only reason I asked is because Tia is, you know, we were sort of waiting to have our next kid because she was like, I want to wait till after I want to get married and be like, and then.
So how was that? I mean, it was the best thing ever. Was it amazing? I walked down the aisle holding her.
That's so cool. It was like the coolest thing ever.
We didn't plan it that way. It was like like you know uh we we got engaged we were like kind of we had like tentatively planned a date right which is the date we like time we got married and then we found out now he was pregnant and it was like fuck you know like what do we do it's like we didn't really want to shock on it and we wanted to have a wedding we didn't want to extend it too long she has some family members that have some health problems so we're just like fuck it and just went for it and now like you know where'd you guys do it my family has a farm in savannah like an animal farm so it was like a yellowstone georgia i mean we're like it was like yeah they have this ranch it's animal horses everywhere it was beautiful that's really cool i cool.
I love that. I mean, I would definitely recommend,

I mean, obviously I know a lot of people are like,

that's, you know, the opposite way of doing things,

but it was so special to like have her be a part of that.

And like, I think Honeywood, I mean.

That's what we, cause we were kind of like,

it'd be nice to have her kind of be walking, you know,

during that's why, cause we wanted to get married.

We were like, let's wait, we'll wait like a year.

And then she'll be kind of more a part of the wedding as opposed to just like newborn, where she can kind of remember it, you know? So we're excited. We're going to, we're going to do it.
I think we're doing it here. I think we're going to do it in Malibu.
Just we're going to do it at the house, chill, just some friends, family, nothing too crazy. That was our plan too.
And then we started writing out the family and it was like, all right, we're at a hundred. We're already going through that.
We're going through that. Say, they were like, well, what about this person? Oh, and then if we forget this person.
They're definitely going to bring a plus one. But you're going to offend somebody.
You're going to, you're always, it's, but ultimately the wedding, it's like, it's your day. Yeah.
We were very, we did a good job of making it very much about us. Like we ended up having like 200 people, but it was more like every decision we made, it's like, well, what do we want? Everyone else, I hope they enjoy themselves, but I'm not throwing a party for other people.
See that? I keep saying that because I'm like, you spent all this money. It's like, you're basically just throwing a big party for other people.
Not nobody, but you see a lot of people not kind of enjoying their night because they have to talk to everybody. They got to go.
It's your wedding night. You want to be able to just let loose and have fun.
I definitely recommend. I mean, we did like a welcome party beforehand.
And that way you like greet everyone. You get the like, hey, hellos, congrats, thank you, out of the way.
And then like day of wedding, you cannot have to do that. So you did it on a separate day? Yeah.
So we did it the day before. So Friday night, we had like a country chic bull riding.
Oh, wow. That sounds fun.
It was like the night before the party. You know, you have a bunch of family that comes in and they want to like, oh, I want to catch up.
And I had friends come in and it was like the night of the NFL draft. And I was like, well, why don't you go there? And then I was like, I'll go there.
I'm like, no. We're not leaving each other's side all weekend.
That's cool. So like what, you know, we'll just figure out, but I am not worried about disappointing anyone.
Like they can do what they want if people want to come to us. But like, what are we doing together this weekend? I like that.
And I was really glad that we ended up doing that. That's good.
Because I feel, yeah, you hear these stories. It's like couples get separated.
Totally. Or even like The Bachelor, the bachelor party, the bachelor party.
I'm like, I don't even want a bachelor party. I care less about going.
Like, you know how many bachelor parties I get in my head? Nally made me, Nally was pregnant, right? So she didn't have one. Nally, we were home.
Did you want one? You know, I think I did. I definitely feel, I mean, I had to choose.
You know, it was like, do I want the bridal shower or the baby shower? Do I want the bachelorette? Or, you know, it was a lot of like, and I put the baby, all the baby stuff beforehand. Cause it's like, you know, that felt more foreign to me.
Um, but. I was like you, I was like, I don't want to give a fuck.
We were home in Wisconsin for Christmas and my buddies were like, do we should have a bachelor party? And I was like, for you, you need to go on one. So we're like, fuck it go to we went to vegas no it was like and we we mostly just gambled but then like we were like well i guess we're here let's go to a nightclub and have you ever seen the the movie hall pass hall but yeah why do i why have i seen that it's like a bunch of like 40 year old men like their wives give them a hall pass and they go to like applebee's and thinking they're all cool It felt like that.
Like obviously we weren't exercising hall passes,

but we went to like Encore

and we had a table and it was like,

you know how you go to a Vegas nightclub

and the guys were like,

you get a bottle and they're like,

do you want us to bring up girls?

And we're like, no.

No girls.

So like, we're just like a bunch of like

40 something old guys just standing there

being like, all right, well,

do you want to get the fuck out of here?

Like, it was like really pathetic and sad, but. I get it.
I kind of know how that doesn't mean look for me luckily because i dj so like i'm all when every time i go to a club i have to have something to do like i will you will not catch me at a nightclub like doing exactly what you just said going there standing there with a bottle you know like i've done that way too many times in my life that at this phase it is it is nice to be up there doing something like playing music and DJ. And for me, you know, I've been in music a long time.
And, uh, that's a lot of fun because you're getting, you're orchestrating the night, you're playing songs, you get, and you're actually doing something in that. That's fun.
And then you can have your boys up in the booth with you. Yeah.
Well, at least you're doing something. I was just standing there being like, like people come up.
I'm like, get away. I'm engaged.
Don't talk to me.

I think that's good.

I think that that's as far as The Bachelor and The Bachelor.

Tia, she doesn't care about that stuff either.

Go have a party or do something.

It was cool to be with my friends and connect.

You don't need to do it there.

You can do that anywhere.

It's almost better that you do it somewhere.

It was more of my friends.

They were all married in Wisconsin.

They wanted to kind of get out and have some fun and use me as an excuse. You're on this season of special forces.
I am. Yep.
What made you want to do it? I didn't want to do it. That's like, I literally, I would say like, I would say that the reason why that I did it was probably because the, my initial reaction of doing it was like, I don't want to do that.
You know, I was like, that's, that looks intense. That looks hard.
That looks like very challenging and mentally and physically and i'm like i don't i don't necessarily want to do that and then i sort of like you know that was my initial reaction was like oh you know i don't you don't really want to do it and then they're asking oh was there a price or whatever it is and i just was like well maybe i was thinking like i slept on it and i'm like would i do this like i really had to think about to think about, I thought about my grandparents, both my grandparents, um, were in the military and we're in the, one of them was a ranger and the other one was an engineer in world war two. So like I come from a lineage of military.
And so I was thinking about that. The more time I just had to sit there and sort of take it in and think about it.
It's kind of like, you know what, because I don't want to do this, it's probably a good idea for me to do it. Because I think that any time you're afraid of doing something or whatever, it just makes you stronger if you go through that experience.
And so I was a little afraid of it. But then I was like, maybe I should do this.
I thought about it. And ultimately, I just was like, you know what? I talked to my brother.
My fiance wanted me to do it. My mom did not.
My mom was like, no, honey through that honey do not do that of course um were you familiar with the show beforehand i had you know what i i was a little for me i didn't watch a lot i saw the bits and pieces of the first one and then a little bits i didn't i wasn't like i didn't watch it all the way through but i did once i decided to do it and then I watched it all and I watched this superstar over here, make it to the end. And, uh, it was really inspiring.
I mean, the things that I knew, what was interesting for me too, it's like the things that I knew about Nick and your sort of experience. And I always liked you and I liked who you were on television.
I always thought you were a really standup guy and I always liked you. But when I saw you on that, I was like, Oh, wow.
Like I really like him now. Like I, like there's something about that show where you get to see a side of somebody and you either really don't like that person or you're like, wow, that person went through that and they kept that sort of attitude and they, you know, and they're willing to go through this and that.
And when there's no, you don't get anything at the end, it's not like you win a million dollars, you know, you win nothing. Self-respect.
Yeah, self-respect, you know, if you make it. But, yeah, it was crazy.
Well, you're kicking ass. I know we're still, like, what, halfway through fairly early in the season.
I think you're going to do very well. I mean, physically, you seem, you know, in shape.
But it's really not. It's, yes yes the physical aspect matters and that that helps but especially towards the end uh the final stage i don't know how far you go so i didn't know how if you experienced that but when denise richards called me up and asking about it and i meant what i said to her i'm like denise because she she wanted to do well i'm like if you want to finish this shit you can because it doesn't it's it's just mental you just quit.
That's, it's just about quitting or not quitting. They're going to try to get in your head.
They're going to fuck with you. You're, you're going to get hurt, but like, you know, short of you being medically discharged.
And actually, I thought Denise crushed it. I mean, to find out she tore her breast implants after jumping from the helicopter and she stayed in it.
Uh, but like, it really is this mental aspect and it's you know again we come from different backgrounds hannah brown won the first one me and tyler finished the second one and i really think there's something about being in reality tv world and the and the mental gymnastics that like i think in different ways we've had to deal with that i really you know you clearly have had to deal with adversity you've clearly had to show resilience throughout your life to go through all the crazy shit you've gone through right and still like be what like you said seemingly a down-to-earth guy like it requires certain qualities and i think those are the types of qualities that get you through a show like that so i, I'm betting that you're going to do pretty well. Only time will tell.
We'll see. Do you feel like it was like physically or mentally, like what, what was harder for you? Ooh, the physical or the mental.
I think they were, I mean, they were both equally as hard. I think, I think the mental, the mental's really, it's, it's brutal.
You have to question your existence on why you're, you know, like you have to, you have so much time to sit and think and to think, and it's very fast moving, but you have so much time to just think like, why am I doing this? Like, what is the purpose of this? And ultimately you have to want to be there. You know, you have to really, I mean, and these guys are watching you 24 seven, like, and they tell you right in the beginning, I want to see, and like he says kind of what you were saying, I want to see 110% every single day.
I don't care what that looks like for any one of you, which is what, you know, they don't care, but if they are, they're going to want to see 110%. And like you said, if you continuously day in, day out, regardless if you fail or you win the challenges, doesn't matter.
If you are giving them 110%, you will go far in the show. It's just about getting back up.
Yeah. And how do you deal with losing? Are you one of those people when you lose, are you like, God, I'm just pissed off? Or are you like, damn, I know what I did.
I messed up. I got to fix that.
You have to be always thinking like well why did i mess you know not sitting there dwelling and then i think that you know it's all a test it's all of those little things these guys are behind scenes watching just going like well how does he deal with this how does he deal with that yeah i mean so much about the show you see people like you doing the physical like jumping down a cliff or whatever the fuck but it's really in between those challenges that that really is the tough part absolutely yeah well they didn't even show on the raft when you know and there were that like already i'm watching the show and you told me before it even aired you're like you're gonna be tripping because it's just there's so much that they don't show and that's so true because already i'm watching i'm like yeah come on that raft thing because it made it seem like you guys wrote this raft okay this freaking raft thing you guys didn't oh yeah you guys did yeah you guys oh yeah yeah yeah so we so we did too but they didn't show it didn't show that no oh fuck that so that's what i'm saying so i saw yours and that looked really tough you guys had to carry a super long distance and you had streams you could work with and different, no, ours was, we had, so what they showed was one kind of lap. You filled up the raft, you got out, you paddled around this, you brought it back.
No, we had three laps of that going around, then making it to the beach. Then you had to carry the boat in soft sand up around this, you know, far up around the soft sand, carry it around back into the water, back to the, so it was rowing soft sand right yeah it was exhausting and you when you watch it you're like one time you're gonna show like that was no it does not look hard at all and it was so grueling i feel like they just put a time code on the bottom like a running time clock of like hour and 27 it only benefits the show totally to show just how fucking grueling they make it for y'all totally and like close-ups of our fate because even in the the buds training stuff like the stuff where they had us i mean they barely show how much i mean but if like at one point if they would have showed me close up like i look like i'm about to have a heart attack i'm like i thought ours was brutal i told nally watch and i'm like i hate say it but like theirs might look a little harder than what we had to go dude it was it was hard it's it it was brutal it was it was gnarly it was it's like i said man it was one of those things like i don't know if i would do it again like look there's a lot of the stuff on the show that was a lot of fun like i enjoy you know enjoy jumping from a moving boat to a helicopter like come on.
Where are you going to sign me up? All these things. There was a lot of fun to be had, but all the stuff that you don't see in between all that, it is 24 hours a day.
You are constantly being punished. It is nonstop and you can't really cover that.
That's the part that I'm like, mentally, I don't know if do that again physically a couple of things like those that was fun that was fun like some of the things coming up you know that you guys are going to see on the show like i would not want to do again yeah it's like no thanks it's crazy cam is an interesting guy did he ever get on your nerves a little no? You know what? The boy talks a lot.

I was in the zone.

Like I honestly, like I was,

I had one goal in mind when I was there was just make it,

you know, just, just, I was so locked in.

I wanted to be there.

Like I really wanted to be there once I was there, you know,

once I made that commitment, I'm like, I'm doing this.

I'm one of those people where I'm competitive.

I'm like, I'm, if I'm doing this, I'm going all in. What was your biggest motivator to finish? Me, it was like, I had found out Natalie was pregnant.
We had just found out. So much that it was like, nervous to tell people, you never know.
And I just, for me, it was like the idea that my kid, I didn't know we were having a girl at that point, could watch this and memorialize that. And just know and just now i know natalie first she wanted me to go on because she thought i'd look hot so i was like i can't look like a pussy you know i love that um so like honestly i know what you gotta go through and my kids or future kids was a huge motivator for me and just in and wanting to have a chance to like you know show them that like it was that similar for you or what else was motivating you you mean you nailed it on the head it was honey for sure i just had honey honey was still a you know a baby and that was a huge motivator i think honey you know that one day she'll be able to watch this and see oh look my dad did this was a huge motivator my fiancee who who's an incredible athlete as well.
Like she really wanted me to do it. So obviously I'm wanting to make her proud.
My brother, my dad, you know, um, even my grandparents were passed away. It just, I would say mostly it was family and the people that I love and I, you know, admire and I look up to the people that I love.
I just wanted them to see me do something that was, you know, something that was difficult and hard and able to, you know, just sort of show who, show what I'm, and I didn't even know, to be honest, I didn't know what I was put, I didn't know what I was going to go through. I had no idea, but my number one driving force was to make my family proud.
And, you know, like my daughter, everybody was for sure. That was my number one.
That's cool. Yeah.
You mentioned on a recent episode that, you know, your dad recently reached out and kind of apologized for just, you know, not being there for you. Uh, what was that conversation like? And was that, was that a shocker? It was long overdue.
I'll tell you that. I had like already forgiven.
I feel like, uh, Caitlin at the time for, for all the stuff, but would never had gotten a sort of real sincere apology, you know, just like it was, we've had our, you know, our indifferences in the past and it's been so long and I'm 41 years old. I have a family, like I'm over it.
I don't need that relationship that I once felt like I really needed. You know, I, there was a time in my life where I really feel like I needed this relationship with Bruce, you know, at the time.
And I was like, I really want to have this. I want this relationship.
And unfortunately enough time had passed and enough time. And I was like, you know what? Well, let's move on.
Let's move on from this. I feel like I, I'm similar.
Like my dad wasn't really around and I definitely like craved that relationship with him and I I mean

Haven't gotten that apology yet, but I feel like i've gotten to the point now where i'm like I accept

This man for who he is he's not

He doesn't have a dad bone in his body

But like I just respect this man to be this man and like I don't expect any sort of fatherness from him

I'm sure that felt good for you, too

Yeah, yeah

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Exactly. To stop being like, oh, he'll call me on my birthday and be like.
Letting go of that. It helps a lot.
You're kind of like, well, that's. And my brother actually is the one that told me to do that.
My oldest brother, he was, or Brandon, he was like, he's like, you have to lower your expectations. And I was like, kind of makes sense.
It's a hard pill to swallow. It is a hard pill to swallow.
Brandon says, like, you just have to lower. And once I did that, I was like, you know what? Wow, that actually did that help.
Yeah, sometimes you just have to think they're doing the best they can. Not that it's an excuse.
Right. But it's, yeah, I think sometimes when we have expectations of our parents or we compare to other people, I think those expectations get mirrored in terms of make us feel like, I'm sure as a kid you wondered like, what the fuck did I do wrong? You know, like what, why not me? Right.
You know? And it really probably has nothing to do with that. Not even probably.
Right. Yeah.
And that's, you know, as I got older, I sort of just, you know, understood that. And then when, you know, the Caitlin thing, I mean, my mom was the one who told me before Bruce had reached out and said, Hey, you know, wanted to have to talk and all talk and all this stuff and when that all happened it was kind of weird because we were like filming on the kardashians and it just felt very not didn't feel very genuine you know it was like hey okay get the cameras rolling all right okay brody sit down and then it was like hey let's talk about how i wasn't there for you i was like yeah are you guys rolling yeah you guys got this to me that's not i'm like okay yeah and i'd sit through the scene i do it okay cool and then i just like but there was no yeah it just wasn't there and i think that you know recently it was about i don't know maybe a year ago or something we were playing golf and like i remember just out of nowhere like stop the car and stop the car and was like hey i just you know i wanted i wanted to talk to you for a second i'm like okay what's this all about you know and then she's like i just wanted to really apologize for to you like sincerely about all the years that no i didn't like i really i fucked up i really fucked up that's what she said and i said it in a way and i was like you could tell that she really felt that and really meant that did she try to explain herself a little a little bit you know she did yeah a, you know, talked about the kind of the struggles that, that she was going through at the time as Bruce and, and, and you know what? And I understood and I, you know, nobody's perfect.
And at the end of the day, you have to forgive, you have to be able to move forward. If you sit there and you just think negative thoughts, I swear it only does a disservice to yourself.
You know, the ability to be able to forgive and move forward, it's so therapeutic. It really helps you out more than anything.
I was like, you know, once you forgive and you move on, you're like, wow, I feel great. But if you hold that resentment and you carry that, it ends up just going into other parts of your life and it's just, it's counterproductive.
Yeah. A hundred percent.
You know, it's like, I mean I know. Yeah.
But I will say that, you know, I wonder if your dad, I don't know if he'll ever do that, but it does help when it's that sincere sort of look like I'm not perfect. Like I've made mistakes.
I've done those things and I apologize. It's just to, to hear that and to feel that it does, it feels good.
Yeah. Cause at this point in my life, I'm like, I don't need it.
You know, like I'm, I'm he is. But then, yeah, there's a part of me that hopes that he'll recognize the absence that he has played in my life.
Absolutely. And feel bad for me.
At her wedding. Yeah, and just know that our wedding was a nice moment where, I don't know if, I hope I'm wrong.
I don't know if she'll ever get that because I don't know how aware he is about his shortcomings. But he was able to open up about his love for her in a way that I don't think she's heard much of.
And I think that was a special moment at our wedding. So, yeah.
Yeah, I think that healed the inner child as much as it possibly could have. Totally.
Just hearing him say anything. You know, it was like, I don't think he had any plans to say anything at my wedding and i was like you have to say something like you're my dad you have to speak and right and then put it on the spot like that sometimes he kind of but some things came out they're like oh wow that's good well yeah how are things with your stepsisters and things like that are you even get is that a frustrating question because people have so many different expectations of what they think your relationship should be.
I mean, not really. No.
I mean, look, I love them all. Love them all to death.
I just don't see them. Kim's busy.
Courtney's busy. I got to see them recently for Caitlin's birthday.
We went over to Kylie's house. Kylie, unfortunately, wasn't there.
She was traveling back from New York. But they're all busy You know, everybody's busy.
They're doing their thing. You know, we didn't grow up in the same household.
So it's not like it's any different, you know, it's like, I don't get to see them, but when we do see each other, it's like, no time has passed, you know? In adulthood, do you feel like along with your dad, like the past kind of just gets left behind you guys? Cause as adults can just continue, whether you get together a few times a year or not, just focus on being family and let the shit whatever happened in the past, just kind of not even dwell on it. I have number one priority in life and that's my family, my own family.
And that's what I'm going to devote a hundred percent of my time is to my family. And it, you know, it requires a lot of time and focus and energy and my household.
So ultimately, yeah, like worrying about that's things you can't control. I just, you know, if, if we do get to see each other once a year, great.
If we don't, can't do it this year, you know, it is what it is. They got their kids.
We have, you know, everybody's, everybody's busy, but we all love each other. And we all have been a tremendous amount of love for each other.
And even Kendall and Kylie, you know, those are my little sisters. I rarely get to see them.
It's

not their fault. You know, it's not my fault.
It's not really anybody's fault. It's just, yeah,

they don't live that far, but we lived in two different households growing up. We are close.

We're really close, but we're not like call each other every day type of close. But if Kylie or

Kendall call me right now, I would walk out of this room and pick up the phone and I'd be there

for them. I would leave this.
I mean, pick up the phone and, and, and I'd be there for them.

I would leave this.

I mean,

I have 10 siblings and they're all my full siblings, but it's the same. I mean, you know, the ones who are 15, 20 years younger than me, I think, you know, we all wish we'd talk more, but sadly, some of them I talk to a handful of times a year, you know, it's like, as a, sometimes as the older brother, I feel like I should maybe follow up with them, but like, you know, yeah, you know yeah you're it's the same thing you just and it was almost like i grew up they grew up in a different household i mean i i had three siblings born after i left the house right after you were gone yeah that's see yeah so yeah it's since having honey is there a part of you i mean i don't know what tia's family's like or how old are uh brandon's kids brandon's kids are he got twin boy.
He just had another baby a little while ago. So he has a, I think she must be three or four months old now.
He's got a newborn baby girl, Joan. And then he's got two boys that are four.
I want to say twin boys that are around four. His daughter is Eva and she's seven or eight.
Oh wow. Okay.
Yeah. So.
Cause I mean, we're out here. We have no family out here.
I mean, he's got a brother in San Diego with a daughter. But there's a part of me, like, being from the South, I, you know, have families always together, cousins, grandparents, all that stuff.
Is there a part of you that wants Honey to grow up with, like, all of her cousins and to be around all those kids? Absolutely. I think that, you know, Atiyah's sister actually just had a baby this morning.
So she just had her second child. So her sister had her child only a couple months before Tia.
So she's got her sister. Her sister just had a boy.
I don't know. He's got to be a year and a half around Honey's age.
And then she just had another boy last night. So Tia's with them right now.
And yeah, I mean, Brandon has all these kids, you know know we're very close with brandon and them and so there's nothing better than siblings and cousins right

absolutely i love that because we're from the south as well so memphis tennessee is like yeah

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Y'all, it's just all of a sudden, it's like pigeon in Hawaii. Y'all, y'all, y'all.
Pop into the pigeon. You're like, whoa, where's that going from? I turned into a hillbilly.
Yeah, it was a lot of dating and y'all. I love that though.
I love the Southern. So yeah, she's going to, you know, family is very important to us for sure.
And we want her to get around as much family as possible. Yeah.
And just try to facilitate the best life for her. Yeah.
Any way we can. Great though.
Having a kid though. Like I think you just said like, if it doesn't show up at my front door, like I don't give a fuck.
You know what I'm saying? I really just care about her, my daughter. I mean, I care about obviously my immediate family, but once you have a family of your own it's really just that's every decision you make is centered around that and it really just makes life it puts things in focus in ways that like you just never thought you would i mean you think about the shit i would dwell on or waste my energy on or just like think about you know you care less about yourself and it's, it just makes life happier and easier.

And it's a, it's a real blessing.

It's just like, I'm just in awe.

Every time I look at honey, I'm just like, I just love her so much.

Like that feeling where you just want to squeeze.

She does something.

It's just, it's just right.

And there's nothing.

The only thing you care about is how do I make that person the most happy person on this planet, no matter what it is like. And that's why we talk about in the relationship and making sure you fight for your relationship.
And, you know, Tia and I both are on that side of it. You know, we really love each other.
We love our family. We love, you know, yes, we fight just like anybody else.
Every couple, like I said, you know, keeps it interesting. It's it's good to have your disc you need to you can't just be smooth sailing all the time okay when y'all do i don't i don't think you can somebody has a smooth sailing relationship something's off you gotta have a little bit of you know there needs to be a little yeah it's gotta be a little something there's gonna be some friction in order to reconnect it makes the makeup better how do y'all reconnect after like what's kind of y' go-to way of.
I feel like I'm definitely one of those people that always wants to fix it right now. Like, I'm like, I'm like, let's just, I'm like, let's fix this.
Like we need to talk. And she's like, don't talk.
Yeah. Like leave me alone right now.
I'm like, no, please just let me talk. Let me get.
So then I'll have to go make myself busy. I'll do something.
Give her some time, time, time, keep, try it again. Should I apologize again? I'm gonna go back in try it again if i'm still sensing leave again i just i slowly just have to keep you just you gain little bits of progress each time until finally yeah then she'll be like okay you do the apologizing and you work your way back okay this is what i learned okay i'll do this differently i'm like but do you need to apologize for anything because i'm i there anything you'd like to apologize so i can't imagine never she would need to apologize i can relate to that yeah she's always right so uh after special forces i know you're djing you have that's a that's going great for you what do you think is next for you do you think public eye you'll ever pop back in or do you think you'll just kind of keep doing what you're doing? You know, I wasn't going to go back to reality television like after my last kind of stint of it.
T and I dabbled in the YouTube space a little bit of a sort of kind of just like reality type of show that we have control of. You know, like we're, you know, we can hire somebody to edit it, but like we are in control in control of it something like that i would gravitate towards a little more than than something like another competition show or whatever it is or even just a reality show in general i think that the hills and and the time that i was on reality television back then it's just a different time you know at times are changed reality shows have changed a lot i feel like you were kind of oh you know that's old school OG.
You were in it when it was, it's changed a lot since when you were on it, when I was on, I mean, it's, it's changed. And now you essentially have your own reality TV show, show channel when YouTube and all these different things, you don't necessarily need to.
I think that for me and for my future, I just, I'm really enjoying the music, the family, you know, music, my, you know, my stepdad was David Foster. Growing up, music has been a huge part of my life.
Something that's never been shown in reality television shows because all the shows that I was on were like these relationship type of shows. So they never followed my musical journey because I was in, you know, bands, played the drums and all that stuff.
And then the DJ stuff I picked up about 12 years ago. And I just, you know, I love music.
I love, but it's tough for me now at 41 to just continue the club circuit, you know, like being in nightclubs and doing the open, cause I learned open format. And so I played a lot of Vegas shows, top 40, all that stuff, but some late nights, you know, and when you're doing them consistently every single weekend, doing those types of shows, it's tough.
So right now I'm gravitating more towards producing my own stuff, putting out original music and potentially playing more type of festival shows. You know what I mean? Like more EDC, Breakaway.
There's a lot of really cool music festivals that play a lot earlier. I'll be going on at like probably 4 PM in the afternoon, which I'm cool with, and performing on a level like that as opposed to only doing sort of the late night club.
Because I'll still do some, but it's doing them every single weekend. It just takes away from the time that you get with your family.
And I think that when you have a young child, you come home and you got to have energy. You got to be ready to go.
Like you got to be like, you got to be up. You got it.
You can't just, you don't have time to have a day hangover or be tired or whatever it is. Do you have any, uh, life hack things that keep you young? Are you a relatively healthy, healthy guy? I try to.
Yeah. You know, I, I've done a fair bit of drinking in my, in my, in my days.
So I, I've, I haven't drank in six months or something like that. Taking a little break from the alcohol.
I think it's good to just go through cycles where you take a break. And I, I'm definitely in one of those cycles.
I was like, you know what? I'm just enjoying feeling good, waking up, you know, my hangovers were terrible. So I cut out alcohol.
Who knows if I'll ever revisit it. Maybe, maybe not right now.
I'm loving life without it. So that's been a lot of fun, but just, we try to stay healthy.
You know, I'm, I'm fairly active. You know, I think that our lifestyle is very active.
I do train a little bit. I like to keep cardio up.
I like to, a lot of the things I like to do

are,

it takes a lot out of you.

Like I almost died the other day,

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It's terrifying.

I went out on a really big day

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I've been surfing a long time

and I'm a pretty good surfer,

but I went out there on a big day

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very close call of drowning.

And I was like,

oh,

it was terrifying.

Like it was like, I've had some serious beatdowns in my head, but this was one of drowning. And I was like, Oh, it was terrifying.
Like it was like, I've had some serious beat downs in my, but this was one of those situations where I was like family flash before my eyes type of, yeah, just recently I was like, you know, I made a mistake, paddled out, didn't really look at the sets. It was really big.
You know, we're talking like, like actually like 25 foot faces of them. I mean, the huge, the waves were huge.
And I paddled out there and I took off on a medium size one, not waiting for a set. I didn't really wait for a set.
So as I took the medium size one, I'm going to paddle back out and I see this just huge set coming and I'm trying to make it out. I'm like, I'm not going to make it.
I, you know, I was like deciding and I paddle, paddle about it. I was like, I was sprinting to get out to make it.
And I get over the one wave and I just behind it was like just this black wall of like you know it was a solid 25 foot i mean this thing just detonated right on top of me and i was so out of breath because i was so i was paddling so hard so i was like oh no this is about to happen so i took like you know three or four waves just one after the next just boom boom and i i mean i can't when i was coming up I'd only get like a chance to get one more breath in and then it would, I mean, I almost blacked out. Like I was like this close to blacking out and I went in right after and I was like, that was, that was the closest I've ever come to drowning.
And that just happened like two weeks ago. And then I snapped my MCL.
So Hawaii is no joke. Well, her, her, her cousin has a beautiful place.
Oh really? On the shores of Hawaii. On the shores of Hawaii oh really and uh he took me out surfing didn't seem as dangerous as uh yours but he was like don't go over there whatever you do it's like really shallow and there's coral reefs and next thing you know i'm like literally in the exact spot where he's not don't go and i'm just like trying not to float and i was getting my ass fucking kicked and i there was I was pretty scared.
It wasn't quite like yours, but it beat the fuck out of me. And it was, it's, the ocean's no joke, man.
But isn't, you know, the thing like you were saying, life hacks or whatever. What, like, I love keeping myself excited about things or like, or learning.
You know, I do find that that helps me stay enthusiastic with life. You know, waking up every day and wanting to get better at something or enjoying.
So like for me, surfing and being in Hawaii and experiencing those types of waves and knowing that I'm not really prepared for this and going, wow, I need to train harder and sort of waking up with a purpose. Yeah.
I was just about to say that having a purpose. Waking up with a purpose.
Keeps you young, keeps you focused. Just being a dad, being a husband more anything, that gives you like a, if you don't know why you're waking up.
Totally. Life's so much more difficult.
Absolutely. Just waking up.
And it could be anything. It doesn't matter what it is, but just something that you love to wake up and aspire to achieve or attack or go for.
Have you put honey on a surfboard yet? We have. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, we've got her up there.
She's not, she's kind of, she gets in the water and then she's really into saying all done right now so it's just no matter what it is it's all done all done all right all done so we've got her on there she yeah she loves she loves it over there and why she's she's um that's great we'll have to get them together yeah i would love that i would love that what was her first word her first word i want to say dada no i'm just gonna of course no i don't know i think it was it probably was mama it was probably mama dog oh really you know what it might have you know what actually i think she loves dog she might that might have been her first word tia would know that like it might have been that dog she's just kind of like dog well she said dada and mama but like she had no idea what she was saying right right over thanksgiving she looked at the dogs and goes, dog. And I was like.
And now it's like, oh, what a dog say. And she's like.
Oh, wait. And so how old is your daughter? She's almost one.
February 2nd. Oh, it gets, it just gets.
It's like, you know, honey's like a year and a half and it just gets better. What did you do for her first birthday? Because now she's talking.
We just had a nice little chill party at the house. We had some friends over and just celebrated at our house and just did a little something.
Nothing too crazy. But it's just once they start to communicate and they're really, that's when we're just having too much fun.
And especially for us, they seem to bond from day one. Yeah.
Now it's like as the river gets older, her and I are bonding more and more. Totally.
Like I'm actually somebody in her life now, you know? It's crazy, huh? And I look forward to like that and they just look at you and then they just, oh, yeah. I know they've only been gone for like less than 24 hours and I'm like already missing and I'm like, ah, I know.
Are they in Hawaii still? No, they are, well, because Tia's sister had a baby. So she just, she drove down south.
Her parents live down in Oceanside. So she went down to Oceanside and she's going to visit the family.
I got to do some work stuff. I'm doing this.
And then I go to Vegas for Mamitas, my tequila soda brand. We have a big kind of convention thing out there.
So I got to go to Vegas. And then I come back and we're here for another week or something.
And then back to Hawaii. Obviously Kendall with 818.
Is there any like dream of like collaboration with 818? We've actually, we've done some stuff with 818. Yeah, we did.
Yeah. We, we put some stuff out together.
We worked with them. We had them at our wedding.
A year ago. Which one? The Mamitas? Or the 818.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No, she's got great distribution.
I've heard tequila is great. I've tried it.
It's awesome tried it it's awesome but yeah I mean we're always looking to collab we just launched in Mexico like three weeks ago we got into all the OXXOs out there so I think we're in like 15,000 OXXO so we changed the flavor profile a little bit it's a little more sugar it's a little we have a couple different flavors it's they're really good. The ones, cause we did all the United States ones, very kind of low cow, low sugar.
Everybody likes that. But in Mexico, they don't seem to care as much.
We put a little more sugar cause they like the taste, you know? And it's just a little, it's doing well in Mexico. So we're excited.
It's been fun. It's been, I think I'm like four years in, five years in but wow the beverage space is just it's wild it's very competitive it's extremely competitive but you know the guys that i parted up with started for loco i mean these guys are like pine yeah there's some these guys and they're just such great people they're really good friends of mine so it's been fun starting this thing and sort of watching other brands come in because we were one of the first ones to do tequila and soda.
And then a bunch of other brands kind of came in after. And you just, I always just remember being like, dude, why, what are the, you know, I was always so worried about this.
And he's like, don't worry. Like they're going to be out here.
Just watch. Do you remember a night off of a four loco or no? I never remember anything.
Absolutely not. It's like the mind eraser just immediately.
Yeah. No, it's, it's yeah.
Four locos. No joke.
Brody, this has been so much fun, man. I really appreciate your time.
It's, it's been great to continue to get to know you. Wishing you the best of luck the rest of the way on special forces and anything else you want to plug or put out there? I mean, I think, no, just Special Forces,

Wednesday, 8 p.m.

And yeah, just stay healthy and happy, everybody.

Yeah, well, congratulations on fatherhood and everything else that's great going on in your life, man.

It's awesome.

I appreciate that.

Thank you.

All right, man.

Thank you.

Well, we just want to give a special thank you to Brody

and to all you listening.

We'll be back tomorrow.

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