E871 Going Deeper with Brody Jenner

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Speaker 3 Well, Brody, welcome to the Vafals, man.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 3 Thank you very much for having me. It's exciting to be with you.
Yes. Thank you.
Big fans. I think

Speaker 4 I've been hoping to have you on for quite a bit now.

Speaker 3 Dude, I don't do these things ever.

Speaker 3 I'm not a podcast. I've done some podcasts, but I'm not a huge podcast.
I don't do that many.

Speaker 5 I feel like you've kind of, I mean, and maybe it's just having a baby, but I feel like you've really just honed in on like your personal life and staying a little bit more private.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. I think that I've had sort of the opportunity to be able to do that, which has been a lot of fun.
I think that, as you guys know, because congratulations, by the way, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 And is it, it's a boy or girl? As a girl.

Speaker 3 We want to go. The girls.
Oh,

Speaker 4 they just, when you guys were pregnant, when your fiancé was pregnant, were you hoping for a gender? Were you kind of whatever happens?

Speaker 3 I think that healthy, obviously, was our, is our, you know, our number one thing was healthy. You know, you're just like, oh, you just pray every day that your baby's healthy.

Speaker 3 And I think that as far as gender goes, I went back and forth with boy, you know, because I'm like, you got to carry on the name. The boy is going to carry on the name and all this.

Speaker 3 And my brother had a daughter for his first child and he's got, he's got twin boys.

Speaker 3 But like I said, healthy was most important. Once I had a girl, I want all girls.
Like,

Speaker 3 I'm not even exactly. I want, like, I love being a girl dad so much it's weird like how old is she now she's 18 months

Speaker 3 so so like what nine moon yeah

Speaker 4 i don't know i don't know what it is but you'll you're i mean you're in it you see but it's just it's it gets it gets gross no it's been awesome i i was someone who you know grew up always like hoping i could have a son you're like i want i didn't really you know obviously didn't really care it's like someday i hope pass the name play some sports whatever and then uh as soon soon as River came out, you're just like, you couldn't imagine anything else.

Speaker 4 And then now, you know, it's just like, as we think about, you know, maybe growing our family and things like that, it's just like, there's something about like, it's really easy to love a daughter, you know?

Speaker 4 And I think as dads, and I was talking about with friends, it's just like, I got almost nervous having a boy. It's just like,

Speaker 4 will I project? too much onto my son? Will I try too hard? Well, I think with River, it's just more like, man, I just, you just want to love on her and just take care of her.

Speaker 4 And it just feels so natural and so easy. It's a weird feeling.

Speaker 3 And I feel like the dad role with a son is also very like, it's, it's, it's tough. You got to, to raise a son and to teach him all those values to be a good man in society.

Speaker 3 That's, you got to teach them a lot of stuff. And it's,

Speaker 4 I think it's tougher now more than ever for boys out there.

Speaker 3 For sure. And especially what's, what's great is, let's say we do have a boy, which I would love to have a boy, you know, too.
Like I said, healthy, most important.

Speaker 3 But if we do have a boy, I feel that it's so imperative and amazing that he has this amazing older sister in his life and that i think teaches men so much and i was very blessed to have a lot of sisters um in my life stepsisters biological and i think that helped me a lot growing up as a to be understanding to women and to understand certain needs and certain things and how to be compassionate and i think it teaches a man a lot to be around female energy as they're growing up sure especially sisters or things like that of that nature yeah

Speaker 3 what do you think about that yeah why are you looking at me like that you don't you don't think no no no i i mean i have i have two brothers one i'm the youngest of seven you're the youngest so you're the youngest see that's i like the older sister to the younger

Speaker 3 brother yeah so

Speaker 3 where do you fall in line i'm the youngest i'm the youngest brother okay so i'm the youngest brother but the older sister you know to a man

Speaker 3 i just think like that helps i do i really think it like having the older sister and it's just you have to respect women and respect authority from what it's just i don't know from I mean,

Speaker 5 my brother, he's above me. He's like two years above me.
And then there's two older sisters above him.

Speaker 5 And I feel like he is just so, like, just knows everything about females because we just were like beat it into his brain of like, we're on our periods.

Speaker 3 Like, oh, yeah, I mean, I have almost two.

Speaker 4 I was painting my nails. I was playing with Barbies.
My sisters, I had like the little G.I. Joe's, and then they had the big Barbies.

Speaker 3 You have sisters? Yeah, I have, I have a lot.

Speaker 4 I have 10 sisters.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's right.

Speaker 4 You were telling me about that. So

Speaker 4 I'm surrounded by sisters. So it was my older sister, me, and then I have two sisters after me.
And then she had four boys in a row and three girls in a row. Wow.

Speaker 4 So my closest brother is like seven years younger, which is not that big of a gap nowadays. But when I was younger, it was just me and my, it was a, it was like I had just sisters.
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 So it was like, yeah, it was a lot of hanging out with them. And yeah, I remember being like in first grade, just being like, well, why can't I paint my nails?

Speaker 3 You know, like,

Speaker 3 you can, why not?

Speaker 3 Still do it painting Painting out. Yeah, why not?

Speaker 5 I mean, now I think it'll be fun to like have when you go through that stage with your daughter of like her wanting to put makeup on you and do your hair and like, it'll be so fun.

Speaker 3 Bring it on. Yeah.
No, it's, it's, it really has just been such a blessing.

Speaker 5 You know, what is her personality like?

Speaker 3 She's really smart. I mean, she's smart.
She's talking already. She's, you know, communicating.
She's funny. She's got this personality that's very, she's.
She's clever.

Speaker 3 She's got this like, she jokes all the time, which is weird. She's so little and she's like jokes and she does side eyes you tell her to give you a side eye and she'll give you a side eye and go

Speaker 3 like she's witty i mean she's got her her personality our daughter's also a genius yeah

Speaker 3 i feel like every parent is always like that they're just that's genius yeah i know i will say though that i do credit all of that mostly to my my amazing fiancé Tia. She's such a good mom.

Speaker 3 She really is. She's been so good ever since she's been an infant to just work with her patient.
You know, she's always working with her speech and talking and this and playing.

Speaker 3 And she did so much research going into it. She's just been amazing.
And I think that that does help a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm very lucky to have Nally.

Speaker 4 She's like, I feel like I'm one of the most hands-on dads, but like compared to like the finer details that Nally does, like there's, there's little things that she's researched.

Speaker 4 I'm more like, you know, just, let's just feel it out. Like, just trust your gut, you know, which is like kind of good.
And I'm like you, have a lot of siblings, grew up around babies, very familiar.

Speaker 4 But I've learned a lot that I had no idea. Oh, yeah.
And Natalie brings in my attention through like the little details that she looks into and things like that.

Speaker 3 Totally. And I think nowadays, too, I mean, there's so much like research and stuff online and stuff.

Speaker 3 You can find, there's so many things you can learn about that I don't think that our parents had when we were growing up. You know, it was just sort of winging it.

Speaker 3 So there is a lot of information out there that does make such a difference. You know, things that Tia has done with honey, you can really see how it's helped her developmental stage, you know, a lot.

Speaker 3 So it's how did you and Tia meet? We met in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 We we sort of started you know i slid into the dms and i'm like

Speaker 3 okay

Speaker 3 i gave it him

Speaker 3 you know no i mean it's just it's interesting like you know instagram and those kind of things one of those things where you have people's information they don't even know i mean everybody you know so i did i i i saw her on that show on the surfing show the ultimate surfer what am i talking about yeah the worst ever no no it was uh yeah the ultimate surfer

Speaker 3 um fell in love with her on tv yeah

Speaker 3 it was a best surfer. No, no, no, no, no.
It was no, it was called The Ultimate Surfer, and Tia was on it. And I saw her in there.
I'd never seen her before.

Speaker 3 And I follow surfing pretty, you know, I'm a surfer and I've been in the ocean all that. It's like, who is this girl? I've never heard of her.
She's incredible. She's beautiful.

Speaker 3 She surfs better than all these people. I was kind of blown away by her.
So I looked her up and then I saw her. And then I think I saw her.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think she was like shooting some guns or something outside. I was just like, whoa, this is, I'm really in love with

Speaker 3 shooting guns. I'm like, I'm sold.
I'm in.

Speaker 3 So I think I reached out to her and just was like, hey, you know, wow.

Speaker 3 Anyway, we just small talk. And we did that for quite a while.
I think we just sort of talked very briefly for almost a year, maybe.

Speaker 3 And then I was on a family trip in Hawaii and she was on a neighboring island. And

Speaker 3 she wanted me to come to her. And I was like, listen, like.
My whole family's here. I can't really leave.
And I was like, look, there is one plus.

Speaker 3 You get to meet my entire family in one in our first, you know,

Speaker 3 first time we meet. You get to meet every single person.

Speaker 3 Like not everyone, but

Speaker 3 95% of them. That's tough, you know? So she was like, all right, I understand.
So she came over and we spent the day.

Speaker 3 And honestly, like, as soon as I saw her, as soon as I picked her up from the airport, I was just completely in love. I mean, she's amazing.
Yeah. I'm very, very lucky.
Very lucky to have her.

Speaker 3 I mean, we still,

Speaker 3 you know, we still battle.

Speaker 3 He's got to keep it exciting, you know?

Speaker 4 The more I looked at India, it's just the more I was like, man, I feel like me and Brody have a lot of similarities in terms of our relationship history and things like that.

Speaker 4 We're relatively the same age.

Speaker 4 We both look good for our age.

Speaker 3 We try really hard, man. We try really hard.

Speaker 4 Moisturize, moisturize.

Speaker 3 Somebody was asking that today on the show. They're like, what is your routine?

Speaker 3 I'm like, I don't have a routine. But I was like, the one thing I guess I do do is moisturize.
I've always switched washer detergent.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly. You just like the body lotion.
I don't know what it is. I just scrub it all over my face, too.

Speaker 3 But I think like lotion.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, I've, you know, people certainly, because I was on the bachelor, know at least a chunk of my dating history.

Speaker 4 And then after that, you just kind of being in the public eye, especially if you're known for, like, once you go on the bachelor, like half your audience really gives a shit about who you're dating, who you're not dating.

Speaker 4 And then even before that, you know, I had been engaged before. I've certainly had my downs in relationships.

Speaker 4 And obviously, now that, you know, Nellie and I are married, it's been a great relationship. And I've learned, you know, a lot from my past mistakes.
Like, how is your relationship different?

Speaker 4 And I guess, what have you learned from, you know, all the other relationships that you've been in?

Speaker 3 Honestly, I think just life experience. I think that there is not one specific thing that I've learned.
I think that as you guys both know, just every year, you just, you just are different.

Speaker 3 I was just the other day going to say something on my TikTok because I was like, isn't it so crazy? Cause you see all these young TikTokers with the face tats and this or now the spray tans.

Speaker 3 And these guys had some veneers and they were doing this video. And I reposted on my thing because it was so ridiculous, this video.

Speaker 3 And I'm thinking like, those kids, though, right now, think that that's cool. And they're like, you know, this is cool.

Speaker 3 But if, you know, when they're my age and they look back at themselves, they're going to be like, what was I thinking? And I think that's how life is with relationships.

Speaker 3 I think that it's, it's all this entire thing that we're doing right now, living and, you know, living and breathing is an experience.

Speaker 3 And it's a learning experience if you are able to open yourself up and not be too close-minded and learn. And I think.

Speaker 3 that from all those relationships, I've learned a lot as far as like what not to do, you know, or what does work. What are the things that do work? What are the things that don't work?

Speaker 3 And I think just life experience has helped me. Cause I think if I would have met Tia in my 20s, we might have not been together.

Speaker 3 We might have, because I think I was young and I was immature and I was wild and I was going out and I was partying. I was there, you know, I was a young male living in Hollywood on a television show.

Speaker 3 And that's, you know, I was, I was wild for sure. And I've definitely now.

Speaker 3 settled down and I think that I reached a certain point in my life where I just was like, you know, really trying to find what made me me happy. Like, what do I enjoy? Do I enjoy being single?

Speaker 3 Do I enjoy being in a relationship? And I found that I do love being in a relationship.

Speaker 3 I really love, I love love and I love being in a relationship, but I had to do some things to change, to better myself, to be able to just be an all-around better father, especially when kids are involved.

Speaker 3 You know, as soon as you have a kid, it's like, it's, you know, so I just, I think that over time, I've just kind of lived life and learned what not to do and what to do and what, what's good and what's bad.

Speaker 3 And we, you know, we're all human. I still make mistakes.
I think we all do.

Speaker 4 When I've When I met Natalie early on, once things got serious, I was like, I definitely want to have kids, but I don't think I ever want to get married. And I had never been married before, but

Speaker 4 through the various engagements I had been a part of, it was this more like, you know, it's 2024.

Speaker 4 Fuck marriage. I don't really care.
Totally. Obviously, that changed for me mostly because of Natalie.
I know you guys are engaged, but was that a hurdle?

Speaker 3 You know, you've been married before, right? Yeah, I was, I got, I was, yeah, I did get married before. I had a thing, we got married in Indonesia a while ago.

Speaker 3 We never officially signed, you know, did the whole so never no, so technically, so technically, no, you know, technically, no, I was never officially married. I didn't have to go through a divorce.

Speaker 3 We had a big party, you know, we had a big raging party in Indonesia, and so it's like getting married in a woman and didn't have to go through that legal battle when we separated, which was, which was nice.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I think that for me, I was the same way. I, uh, I've, you know, growing up, that's all I knew was divorce and parents and fighting.

Speaker 3 And when they did get a divorce, just how messy it was and fighting over there. I mean, it was just, you know, I saw that my whole life.
And that definitely put me off marriage for a long time.

Speaker 3 You know, I was just kind of like, I don't know if I want to do that. You know, why? It's just, you're signing your life.
Well, why do we need to do that? Why can't we just be together?

Speaker 3 And if we're not in love anymore, just go our separate ways without that sort of signature that says, well, you know, I get this and you get this and this is your divvy it up.

Speaker 3 You know, that's just, I feel like, you know, you should just know whose is like, okay, this is mine. This is yours.
Or let's do this friendly.

Speaker 3 It's just so sad when you see people spend so much time together and create this life together. And then when they get a divorce, how many times you see it just go so south?

Speaker 3 And now all of a sudden these two people hate each other. And then they're going, you know, let's say somebody cheats or something like that.
You know, your spouse, they want to.

Speaker 3 They want to take everything that you got. If you cheat, you do something like that.
I mean, get ready because it's going to be messy.

Speaker 3 And I just think that now having met the right, I mean, tia is the love of my life and i i think that you know overall back then it was just a little my headspace was a little different i think now once i met tia and and i just i really want to see her in that wedding dress i want to see her and look like we talked about we learned you learned i learned you know like what you know i kind of feel like the my first marriage was a little i was you know not really ready and i just kind of was like okay i'll just do it anyway you know nothing not to say anything bad about my any of my exes but uh you know just life happens and i learned and then now it's i've finally found the right person.

Speaker 3 And we have this beautiful daughter. And I want to see honey in the wedding.
I want to see her watching Tia in the way. And I think we're going to get a little dress for honey.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's just, I feel like it's, it feels more now like it's like, this is, this is a family. It's supposed to be.
Yeah, totally. It just feels right.

Speaker 3 So I feel like I'm in a place in my life where I do want to get married. I want that.
I want the family. I want the kids.

Speaker 5 I want, I'm just, I'm, you know, do you feel like growing up with all of that divorce and all the heartbreak and all the fighting, do you feel like that taught you in your marriages or in relationships to like fight until the end or to like kind of at the first sign be like, I can't do this.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. 1000.

Speaker 3 It really,

Speaker 3 because Tia's parents, they've been together over 30 years, you know, her parents have, you know, so, and I know a lot of people that have parents that have fought through it and stayed married.

Speaker 3 And I think that I'm envious of that. And I think that it's, it's worth fighting for.

Speaker 3 You know, if you really love the person and you really love your family and you don't want to see your, you know, ultimately it's the kids that, you you know, that's who it affects the most, you know, when the family unit is broken up.

Speaker 3 And even, you know, it doesn't, it affects them as much as you think it does. And a little, it's the little things, you know.

Speaker 3 And, uh, but ultimately, if it's better for you guys to, for parents to split up to take away the fighting and to take away all that stuff in front of the kid, that's important too.

Speaker 3 If you are not able to coexist as parents and show,

Speaker 3 you know, your child that this is what love looks like, affection, love, hugging, that is so important.

Speaker 3 If you guys are going to argue and do all that stuff, make sure you do it somewhere else and not in front of the kid.

Speaker 4 One of the things I'm most proud of about me and Natalie is, well, thankfully we have good communication and we rarely fight, but I just love the environment we raised our daughter in and just that energy because I think that definitely matters.

Speaker 4 And like, you know, like you mentioned, you know, Natalie and I kind of have that difference.

Speaker 3 in our upbringing.

Speaker 4 I was lucky enough to have the parents still together. I've never really seen them fight.
Maybe as an adult, they bicker now, but they were very good about like keeping that, you know, private.

Speaker 4 Now they came from more of a broken home, but our motivations are still the same, you know, in terms of I have my reasons for wanting to replicate what my parents have in a lot of ways.

Speaker 4 And she has her reasons for to not replicate.

Speaker 3 The opposite, right?

Speaker 4 The opposite. And it comes from that same good place.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's another thing.

Speaker 4 It's interesting here, you know, like, like you said, I'm so grateful, like, like exes, like, one, I'm grateful.

Speaker 4 for everything the good and bad because i have learned so much from but like now that i've gotten older some of my exes from way in the past like i've told us to now it's like i'm like oh fuck, I used to used to be in a relationship.

Speaker 4 It's like so fucking long ago. You know, like 15 years ago, you're like, wait.
And you think about how much these people were in those moments, a big part.

Speaker 3 They were your whole life.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, you're absolutely, you know, when you're dating someone. And then to have the years go by where you're like, Was that a dream? Totally.

Speaker 4 It kind of feels like a surreal thing that, you know, maybe it's a surprise of getting older that she doesn't relate to yet.

Speaker 3 No, you were like, no, otters. I was like, sorry, you're jealous.
I'm young.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. Like,

Speaker 3 it

Speaker 3 How old is Tia? Tia's 28 or 27. She's like, I'm 26.
Yeah, so you guys are the same age. Yeah.
Well, wow. We're like, yeah, and you are 44.
So 44. Yeah, we're like, right, this is all.
Neck and neck.

Speaker 3 We got to all hang out. Yeah.
Got all outside.

Speaker 5 All right. So do y'all live in Hawaii or are you?

Speaker 3 We do. We live half.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 I love Hawaii. I always have.
Tia spent a lot of her time growing up in Hawaii. So did I.
We just love it over there. We love the people.
We love the lifestyle. We love everything about it.

Speaker 3 Unfortunately, with work and things like that, it is tough when you're over there. You know, it's you do kind of get on island time, and which is amazing.

Speaker 3 That's part of the reason why I love it so much. But also, you just sort of, you know, you can get real sucked into just family time and

Speaker 3 going to the beach. And yeah, you're like, this is too good.
So we love it. Eventually, I could, you know, retire and all that.
I think that we'll probably end up full-time over there.

Speaker 3 Right now, we're doing a little bit of back and forth. You know, I love Malibu's my home.
I

Speaker 3 born and raised there pretty much my entire life.

Speaker 3 Well, actually, my entire life.

Speaker 3 But there's just a lot of, you know, it's sad, but it's changed a lot from when I grew up in Malibu, you know, and I think that where we live in Hawaii, it still has those values that I remember growing up as a kid, the kind of the localism and the protecting and the this, that.

Speaker 3 And I feel like Malibu, you know, they got a public access. Every other street is a public access now.
And it, and look, and I understand why the reasoning behind that.

Speaker 3 You want everybody to experience, but it also takes away from why you end up buying in that area. If you're from there, you don't love it.
You're just like, dude,

Speaker 3 because Malibu is really expensive, you know, and it's expensive to live there. And you spend, you spend the money to live there, you want to kind of keep it private and you want your privacy.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And also, I mean, obviously, fires recently, it's been pretty devastating.

Speaker 3 My God. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Malibu was hit too, right? You know, Malibu is my whole, it's just, it's frustrating.

Speaker 3 I will say that that topic for me is extremely frustrating only because I've grown up in Malibu my whole life and I have saved our home multiple times from fires by staying back and fighting and I just the Woolsey fire.

Speaker 3 I was there by myself, spraying my house till the bitter end, was able to save it, save the house.

Speaker 3 And then as soon as the fire went by, you know, I put out spot fires, whatever, and then I got out of there, which was really important because the fire department had issued save lives, but don't save structures.

Speaker 3 House was totally savable. But if you're not there saving it, to just rely that the fire department's going to go save it, sometimes that's tough.

Speaker 3 So it's super important to get all the necessary fire equipment in the offseason or just like, you know, masks, things like that.

Speaker 3 Because if you are going to stay back and fight, you want to be prepared. But also like how unprepared we were for this is, it's inexcusable.
It really is inexcusable because I'm in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 Somebody said, oh, a fire just started in the Palisades.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, oh, well, let me check my wind reports real quick because I have, you know, I'm a surfer and I do sailing and all this other stuff.

Speaker 3 So I'm like, let me see what the wind's going to be like. And I looked at the wind forecast and I heard and I saw where the fire started.

Speaker 3 And I immediately knew I was like, oh, this is going to be as bad as Maui. This is going to, this is going to get probably worse than Maui.
This is going to be so bad. And I knew that immediately.

Speaker 3 The fact that the higher ups are getting this information 48 hours in advance, days before they need to have crews up in the mountain watching for arsonist, watching for people to start fire, because we all know people love to do that.

Speaker 3 Every year, it seems that there is a fire. They should have been more prepared.
Yeah. And granted, you can only be so prepared.

Speaker 3 Let's be realistic here.

Speaker 3 Let's just say they had all the water in the world and the fire hydrants were working the whole time all that let's just say it was it would have still been a very hard yeah that's i think that's just thing it was always going to be devastating yes but how devastating it seems like maybe there could have they could have limited that i mean absolutely with rick caruso saving his mall it's like if he could like clearly if you have resources things could have been done exactly certain fire breaks like you know lines cleaning up a lot of that brush that are surrounding those neighborhoods i mean there are And you know, and unfortunately, so many people paid the ultimate price, which is losing everything.

Speaker 3 And it's just, it's, it really is just devastating for Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 I talk to him every day. You know, I talked to Spencer today.
I know he did your other show. Yeah, he's look, he's taken a terrible situation and he's making it into the most positive.

Speaker 3 I mean, he lost everything and a lot of people did. And he's just turning to the people, you know, his fans and followers and people to.

Speaker 4 I love the way him and Heidi have come together. I love the way he's been just.
hyping up his wife.

Speaker 4 Like, obviously a terrible tragedy, but the way they have demonstrated that they're a family i know maybe it's because obviously i'm in like this dad mode husband mode but i find it to be inspirational and attractive and like you know obviously terrible they lost everything but the way they are trying to rebound i i just i commend them so much and i think it's been one of the coolest stories to come out of that whole terrible situation i couldn't agree with you more you know i've known spencer since i was i don't know 13 years old 12 13 years old long time man

Speaker 3 i go wait

Speaker 3 yeah we've had crazy stories and the one thing that i'll always tell people about Spencer is Spencer is a great guy.

Speaker 3 Spencer is a really, especially incredible husband, incredible father, but also a great friend. Like, Spencer will rides for the people.

Speaker 3 He will, if he, if Spencer, if you're on Spencer's good side, he will go to the grave with you. But if you're on his bad side, he will, yeah, yeah, he will put you in that grave.

Speaker 3 I love how everyone was

Speaker 5 anyone who made the video is like, say, from Spencer.

Speaker 3 I didn't mean that because I want to support him. Yeah, everyone's like, oh, you're doing like that.
And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 3 But I will say, but Spencer has always gotten sort of this bad rap, you know, from the hills.

Speaker 3 But Spencer and I go so far back to Princes of Malibu to doing reality television before we even got on the hills.

Speaker 3 But, you know, people, not enough people know this about Spencer, that Spencer created that villain, that person, the, the, you know, against Lauren, like that was all Spencer's mind just working and his genius is to be able to, I mean, he loved producing reality television.

Speaker 3 So when we got on the hills, Spencer was like, oh, now I can use my producer brain and I'm going to be the villain. I'm going to do this.
I want to be. And he would tell me all the time.

Speaker 3 This is when Kevin Federline days, like back in the day when Kevin and Brittany, Spencer used to tell me, he'd be like, I want to be Kevin Federline. I want to be the most hated person in the world.

Speaker 3 And I'm just like, I don't.

Speaker 3 I'm looking at him like, well, I do not want to be that. So you're on your own.
Like, I don't want to be. He's like, I want to be the most.
And he was adamant at that. I'm not even exaggerating.

Speaker 3 He really manifested that. Like he was so driven to being the most hated guy in the world that he went and he was.

Speaker 3 And for one time, I really think that he might have been one of the most hated people, like one of, you know, in the world. People, he would get death.

Speaker 3 I mean, he's driving down the street and people are yelling him, screw you, Spencer, you know, da, da, da, like, oh, and then he became a little bit like, I don't know if you know that phase of him, but then a little bit paranoid and he threw all his hair.

Speaker 3 He's trying to hide himself. He's got the guns.
He's like, got a gun at every, you know, walk to any door. He's going to Costa Rica, getting busted at like TSA with some loaded magazine.

Speaker 3 I don't know what. Then he got paranoid because he's like, wait a minute, what did I just do? But he did that, you know, he did.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, once he tried to backtrack, like, wait a minute, okay, this is a little intense. Like, my life's in danger now.

Speaker 3 Like, then it was really hard to get people to go, oh, you know what? Spencer's actually a really good guy.

Speaker 3 And I think what's so cool about this and what I'm witnessing is people are finally really getting to see what an incredible father he is, person, husband. Like, he's, he's, he's really

Speaker 3 an amazing person.

Speaker 4 One of the cool things I love doing about this is we get to sit down with people like you and get to know them.

Speaker 4 And when you talk to someone for an hour or two, I mean, you don't learn everything about them, but you really get a sense of who they are and you know for the most part most of the people we interviewed seemed like decent people but like especially people like spencer when they come in with like a big reputation yeah and it was just so evident that this guy like his character yeah is is strong you know you say what you know

Speaker 4 you know mistakes or yeah say this say that but like you could tell that the things that matter most in life he he he understood that you know and like his family and just like and things like that his friends I remember him just the way he talked about you and the way he talked about his, his wife.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's in learning about his story, I'm fascinated with it.

Speaker 4 And I have so much respect for him just because to want to play that villain role and to not give a fuck what people think says a lot about you in the best possible way, especially now.

Speaker 4 We live in a world where everything people do is just for the.

Speaker 4 the attention for the clicks the likes i mean people are forward thinking well if i do this how much attention will it get people even know yeah if they're being sincere anymore because everything is is related to like how are people going to react what are people going to think the word brand is now just like such a i mean i i learned the word brand when i was in corporate america and they're like you know you got to protect your brand at work i was like oh what's that you know this is like 15 years ago and now like 12 year old kids are like so what's your brand you know it's like so fucking crazy

Speaker 4 so for him to like and even just of both of you i think what i'm so fascinated by the two of you it's just like your guys is like childhood young adult life yeah you partied you got into some shit shit, but like, I'm almost kind of blown away how like relatively normal you guys are and down to earth.

Speaker 5 Relatively, for sure.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 3 it's unrelated. No, what is normal? Like, just want to, yeah, whatever.
Maybe down to what is normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, do I want to be down earth is a better way of saying it, but like,

Speaker 4 I, you know, we've also met some people you, they get some attention and you're just like, you, you can tell they lose themselves.

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Where do you think that came from?

Speaker 4 I mean, especially with just your crazy upbringing and just always being, I mean, really, you've been one of the most famous people with one of the most famous families.

Speaker 4 It's sometimes impossible to, some people, I just, it's like, I get it. It's like why they lost themselves.
Like it's like they didn't have a chance. Like, how do you think you were able to do that?

Speaker 3 I think that I'm extremely blessed to have a great parent. My mother was just an incredible, incredible mother.
I definitely owe a lot to her.

Speaker 3 My stepfather, David Foster, was an incredible stepfather as well. You know, he was, he was around and he was great.
But I will say that what you're talking about, I think it was my friends.

Speaker 3 I think it was parenting, yes, but also my friends. And I had, you know, I lived in this neighborhood in Malibu called Sarah Retreat.
And I remember David had just done the bodyguard soundtrack.

Speaker 3 So he had just done the bodyguard soundtrack. You know, we grew up in Malibu.
We didn't have a ton of money.

Speaker 3 We grew up in a relatively normal size house and, you know, just very, you know, normal Malibu upbringing. And David, you know, he was my stepdad and he did the bodyguard soundtrack.

Speaker 3 He had a lot of success. I think, you know, he won all these Grammys.
He really had a year that just transformed his life and he made a lot of money.

Speaker 3 And I remember I was around, I think, 10 years old and he bought this monstrosity of a house, this place that was like, you know, he's like, hey, we're going to buy.

Speaker 3 And it was actually moving next door to my two best friends, Mel Gibson's kids at the time. And I was like, oh, I get to live with my friend.

Speaker 3 And we get all of a sudden, we went from like just a normal house to like, I mean, you had to take a train to get from the main house to the pool. So it was like.

Speaker 3 At 10 years old, all of a sudden we were like, wow, this is, we got this is wow. And then, and I had a couple broke homies.

Speaker 3 homies i had a couple homies that had nothing you know they literally they took care of the barn stables their parents took care of the barn stables in this neighborhood that we live in and they literally live when i say this like in a converted barn stall and it was two of them sergio and victor and their sister laura and they had three kids and the parents all living in this tiny little home and i would have this monstrosity of a mansion but I would go over and I would sleep at their house.

Speaker 3 I basically lived at their house and I loved it so much. I loved the way they live.
You know, there'd be trash piled up everywhere. And I didn't care because they were my best friends.

Speaker 3 We would go to school. We loved each other.
And I lived in their world and I loved it. And they showed me, you know, what it's like to have no money at all and zero.

Speaker 3 And I, and I loved it, but I loved them and I loved the way they live. And then, you know, I'd be like, hey, I took them on their first plane flight.
I took them to all these things.

Speaker 3 And I, you know, I had all these David was working with at the time, like Barbara Streisands, and all these celebrities. And for me, That was kind of normal.

Speaker 3 You know, David was, I never really looked at being a celebrity as something that was like, oh, wow, I want to to be that or I want to be a celebrity.

Speaker 3 I just, I looked at them as normal people because I would see them all the time.

Speaker 3 And I think coming from a world where you get to see both sides, where I was very in touch with friends, people that didn't have any money at all.

Speaker 3 And then I could, and then I'd all of a sudden be in these environments where I'm hanging out with Celine Dion and this.

Speaker 3 And having both of those worlds, I think really helped me understand that fame, money, all that shit, it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 All that stuff doesn't mean anything unless you, you know, your health is gone. You're done.

Speaker 4 I mean, health should be number one most important thing in life is your health you know fame and money it's it's it's some people think it's a blessing but a lot a lot of times it can be a curse well and i'm seeing you got a front row seat to some of that and absolutely front row seat to maybe how some of the the famous or rich people in your orbit or circle treated each other or treated themselves or lack of health or tragedy that's the thing about tragedy it doesn't care about your privilege it doesn't care about you know nothing uh what you have and and then you got to see like you're mentioning your best friends and how they treated each other and their family, their connectedness.

Speaker 4 Oh, and it was cool. I'm sure it was just transforming.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It was just so, you know, a lot of times you see the more like, what is it, more money, more problems.
I mean, you see, like the way their family unit was was just so tight and amazing.

Speaker 3 And it was just, you know, and then you see a lot of people with a lot of money and they're just, it's like, they're all over the place, you know, because I grew up in LA,

Speaker 3 and I had a lot of friends that had a lot of money.

Speaker 3 But I feel like if you grow up in an environment like that, where just everybody around you has just nothing but money and opportunity and all this shit, then you're not going to learn anything.

Speaker 3 But if you are surrounding yourself with people that have nothing and that you're learning stuff from them, and then you're also sharing all this cool stuff that you have, the wealth, you know, and you're like, hey, check this out.

Speaker 3 Let's go here. Like, you know, and that's kind of what we were doing.
I think it really sort of teaches you and traveling, you know, like I, I traveled a lot.

Speaker 3 Um, you know, we went to Africa when I was really young.

Speaker 3 I got to see some, some really, you know, some communities, a lot of poverty, a lot of, and I got to, you know, I was very blessed to be able to do that sort of stuff too.

Speaker 3 And parents teaching you, hey, like, this isn't normal. Just so you know, like, this is not, this life is not normal.
Like, that is normal. So I think that helps a lot.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm sure also like watching your friends, like when you took them on places, took them places and then being like, holy fuck, you're like, oh, okay. So this isn't normal.

Speaker 3 They were just like blown away. You know, it's, yeah, it's pretty, it's, yeah.
And I love them. And we still talk to this day.
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Speaker 3 And, you know, one of them works construction. The other one, we're just like, you know, we're like this.
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Speaker 4 You, Eaton Spencer, like, you could argue that you guys were one of the founding fathers of reality TV.

Speaker 4 Do you watch it as a fan? Do you keep up, you know, just for reality TV?

Speaker 4 Yeah, do you watch whatever, whether it's The Bachelor or Traitors or whatever, Housewives, or are you just like, fuck this shit? Or

Speaker 4 you see behind the scenes?

Speaker 3 I I have funny, you know, it's funny about you, Nay, is I remember there was, what was the show that you did that was like the island one? It was like they all took paradise. It was paradise, right?

Speaker 3 Okay, so that I remember. It's my best work.
You're on, yeah. So you were on the one, yeah, I think that was your best work because I remember I did watch some of that.

Speaker 3 And I remember one year you were kind of like, you know, you never were out of shape, but you were just kind of like normal shape. And then I remember this guy came back

Speaker 3 one of the seasons. And I'm like, whoa,

Speaker 3 this guy put in some work in the offseason. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I swear to God, to this day, I still remember watching it and being like, wait a minute, Nick, look at this guy. And it just, you know, all the girls are like, oh, my God.

Speaker 3 And then, Nick, and you were just, you know, you're always a very good looking guy.

Speaker 3 But like when you got ripped, all of a sudden, I was like, and then I remember watching it being like, damn, I got to get ripped now.

Speaker 3 You know, I saw the reaction he was getting. Like, I need to get some house.
I wasn't here. Where am I?

Speaker 4 I met Natalie older when I was a little bit older.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're still okay.

Speaker 4 Every once in a while, she'll bring up those photos and then like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're not allowed to just let yourself go now.

Speaker 3 It's crazy how, like, they got your best work.

Speaker 5 I'm your wife, the mother of your child.

Speaker 3 Like, I did this.

Speaker 3 It's not that bad.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's funny. That is.
It's

Speaker 3 tough work to do that. I've gotten in pretty insane shape a couple of times, a few times in my life, but it's, that's, it's a lot.
Yeah. It takes a lot of, it's like, it's a lot.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was doing crossfit like that. Yes.

Speaker 5 I mean, sticking up for them.

Speaker 3 I mean, you seem like

Speaker 3 you seem like you're in great shape. You know, I mean, it takes, it's, it's, it takes a lot to just, do you just, are you one of those people that are just blessed? You don't even have to.

Speaker 5 Um, I have I, I mean, post baby, I, we got married two months later.

Speaker 3 So I really was like, I have to. How was that and doing that? Because why?

Speaker 3 Because the only reason I asked is because Tia is, you know, we were, we're sort of waiting to have our next kid because she was like, I want to wait till after. I want to get married.

Speaker 3 And be like, and then, so how was that?

Speaker 5 I mean, it was the best.

Speaker 3 Was it amazing just down the aisle holding her? It was like the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 4 Tier didn't plan it that way. It was like,

Speaker 4 you know uh we we got engaged we were like kind of we had like tentatively planned a date right which was the date we had like time we got married and then we found out natalie was pregnant and it was like fuck you know like what do we do it's like we didn't really want to shotgun it and

Speaker 4 we wanted to have a wedding we didn't want to extend it too long see she has some family members that have some health problems so we were just like fuck it and just go for it and just went for it and now like you know she where'd you guys do it you guys my family has a farm in savannah like an animal farm.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 4 it was like a Yellowstone, Georgia. I mean, we were like, it was like, yeah, they have this ranch.
It's animal horses everywhere.

Speaker 3 It was beautiful. That's really cool.

Speaker 5 I love that. I mean, I would definitely recommend.
I mean, obviously, I know a lot of people are like, that's, you know, the opposite way of doing things.

Speaker 5 But it was so special to like have her be a part of that.

Speaker 3 And like, I think honey would, I mean, that's what we, because we were kind of like, I'd be nice to have her kind of be walking, you know, during that swag, because we wanted to get married.

Speaker 3 We were like, let's wait.

Speaker 3 We'll wait like a year and then we'll ask, she'll be be a kind of more a part of the wedding as opposed to just like newborn which she can kind of remember it you know so we're excited we're gonna we're gonna do it uh i think we're doing it here i think we're gonna do it in malibu just we're gonna do it at the house chill just some friends family nothing too crazy just that was our plan too and then we started writing out the family and it was like all right we're at 100 we're already going through that we're going through that same they were like well what about this person oh and then if we forget this person

Speaker 3 they're definitely going to bring a plus one but you're going to offend you're going to offend somebody. You're going to, you're always, it's, but ultimately the wedding, it's like, it's your day.

Speaker 4 So yeah, we were very, we did a good job of making it very much about us. Like we ended up having like 200 people, but it was more like every decision we made, it's like, well, what do we want?

Speaker 4 Everyone else, I hope they enjoy themselves, but I'm not throwing a party for other people.

Speaker 3 See, that's why I keep saying that because I'm like, you spend all this money. It's like, you're basically just throwing a big party for other people.

Speaker 3 Like nobody, it's we're not nobody, but you see a lot of people not kind of enjoying their night because they have to talk to everybody. They got to go.
And you just, it's your wedding night.

Speaker 3 You want to be able to just let loose and have fun.

Speaker 5 I definitely recommend, I mean, we did like a welcome party beforehand. That's okay.
And that way you like greet everyone, you get the like, hey, hellos, congrats, thank you out of the way.

Speaker 5 And then like day of wedding, you cannot have to do it.

Speaker 3 So you did it on a separate day? Yeah.

Speaker 5 So we did it the day before.

Speaker 3 So Friday night, we had like a country chic bull riding. Like, oh, wow.
And then like early.

Speaker 4 It was like the night before the party. You know, she, you know, you have a bunch of family that comes in and they want to like, oh, I want to catch up.

Speaker 4 and then i was and i had friends come in it was like the night of the nfl draft and i was like well why don't you like you go there and then i was like i'll go there i'm like no like no we're not leaving each other's side all weekend that's cool so like what you know we'll just figure out but i am not worried about disappointing anyone like They can do what they want if people want to come to us, but like, what are we doing together this weekend?

Speaker 3 I like that.

Speaker 4 And I was really glad that we ended up doing that. Because I feel, yeah, you hear these stories.
It's like couples get separated.

Speaker 3 Totally. or even like the bachelor the bachelor part the bachelor i'm like i don't even want a bachelor party i can care less about going like you know how many bachelor parties like in my head

Speaker 4 like nati made me nally was pregnant right so she didn't have one nally we were home did you want one

Speaker 5 you know i think i did i definitely feel i mean i had to choose you know it was like do i want the bridal shower or the baby shower do i want the bachelorette or you know it was a lot of like and i put the baby all the baby stuff beforehand because it's like you know that felt more foreign to me um but but I was like you I was like I don't really give a fuck I was we were home in Wisconsin for Christmas and my buddies were like we should have a badger party and I was like for you you need to go on so we're like fuck it we'll go to we went to Vegas

Speaker 4 no it was like and we we mostly just gambled but then like we were just like well I guess we're here let's go to a nightclub and have you ever seen the the movie hall pass

Speaker 4 yeah why do I why have I seen that it's like a bunch of like 40 year old men like their wise gimmal hall passes they go to like Applebee's thinking they're all cool it felt like that like obviously we weren't exercising hall passes but we went to like encore and we had a table and it was like you know how you go to a vegas nightclub and the guys were like you get a bottle and they're like you want us to bring up girls and we're like no no girls

Speaker 3 so like we're just like a bunch of like 40 something old guys just standing there being like all right well do you want what are we doing out of here like it was like really pathetic and sad but i get it i i kind of know how that i mean luck for me luckily because i dj so like i'm all when every time i go to a club i have to have something to do like i will you will not catch me at a nightclub, like, doing exactly what you just said, going there, standing there with a bottle.

Speaker 3 You know, like, I've done that way too many times in my life that at this phase, it is, it is nice to be up there doing something, like playing music and DJing.

Speaker 3 For me, you know, I've been in music a long time and that's a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 So you're getting your orchestra in the night, you're playing songs, you get, and you're actually doing something and that, that's fun. And then you can have your boys up in the booth with you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 You're like, what am I doing? Like, people come up. I'm like, get away.
I'm engaged.

Speaker 3 Don't talk to me i think that's good i think that that's like you know as far as the bachelor and the bachelor like tia doesn't she doesn't care about that stuff either like like go have a party or do something but just it was cool to be with my friends and like connect but like all those you don't need to do it there you can do that anywhere it's almost better that you do it it was more it was more my friends they were all married in wisconsin they wanted to kind of get out

Speaker 3 have some fun and use me as an excuse you're on this season of special forces i am yep what made you want to do it i didn't want to do it that's like i literally i would say like i would say that the reason why that I did it was probably because my initial reaction of doing it was like, I don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 You know, I was like, that's, that looks intense. That looks hard.
That looks like very challenging and mentally and physically. And I'm like, I don't, I don't necessarily want to do that.

Speaker 3 And then I sort of like, you know, that was my initial reaction was like, oh, you know, I don't, you don't really want to do it. And then they're asking, you know, was there a price or whatever it is?

Speaker 3 And I just was like, well, maybe I was thinking like, and I slept on it. And I'm like, would I do this? Like, I really had to think about it.
I thought about my grandparents.

Speaker 3 Both my grandparents were in the military. We're in the, one of them is a ranger and the other one was an engineer in World War II.

Speaker 3 So like, I come from a lineage of military. And so I was thinking about that.
The more time I just had to sit there and sort of take it in and think about it, it's kind of like, you know what?

Speaker 3 Because I don't want to do this, it's probably a good idea for me to do it.

Speaker 3 Cause I think that anytime you're afraid of doing something or whatever, it's just help makes you stronger if you go through that experience.

Speaker 3 And so I was a little afraid of it, but then I was like, maybe I should do this. I thought about it.
And

Speaker 3 ultimately, I just was like, you know what? I talked to my brother. My fiancé wanted me to do it.
My mom did not. My mom was like, no, honey, don't put yourself through that, honey.
Do not do that.

Speaker 3 Of course.

Speaker 3 I'm familiar with the show beforehand.

Speaker 3 You know what? I was a little familiar. I didn't watch a lot.
I saw the bits and pieces of the first one.

Speaker 3 And then a little bit, I didn't, I wasn't like, I didn't watch it all the way through, but I did once I decided to do it.

Speaker 3 And then I watched it all and I watched this superstar over here make it to the end.

Speaker 3 And it was really inspiring. I mean, the things that I knew, what was interesting for me too, it's like the things that I knew about Nick and your sort of experience.

Speaker 3 And I always liked you and I liked who you were on television. I always thought you were a really stand-up guy.
And I always liked you.

Speaker 3 But when I saw you on that, I was like, oh, wow, like I really like him now. Like I like.

Speaker 3 There's something about that show where you get to see a side of somebody and you either really don't like that person or you're like, wow, that person went through that and they kept that sort of attitude and they, you know, and they're willing to go through this and that.

Speaker 3 And when there's no, you don't get anything at the end, it's not like you win a million dollars, you know, you win nothing.

Speaker 4 Self-respect.

Speaker 3 Yeah, self-respect, you know, if you, if you make it, but, um, but yeah, it was, uh, it was, it was crazy. It was

Speaker 4 well, you're, you're kicking ass. I know we're still like, what, halfway through fairly early in the season.
I think you're going to do very well.

Speaker 4 I mean, physically, you, you seem, you know, in shape, but more, but it's really not, it's, yes, the physical aspect matters and that that helps but especially towards the end uh the final stage i don't know how far you go so i didn't know how if you experienced that but when denise richards called me up and asked me about it and i meant what i said to her i'm like denise because she she wanted to do well i'm like if you want to finish this you can because it is it's it's just mental you just have to not quit that's it's just about quitting or not quitting they're going to try to get in your head they're going to with you you're you're going to get hurt but like you know short of you being medically discharged and actually i thought denise crushed it i mean to find out she tore her breast implants after jumping from the helicopter and she stayed in it

Speaker 4 uh but like it really is this mental aspect and it's you know again we come from different backgrounds. Hannah Brown won the first one.
Me and Tyler finished the second one.

Speaker 4 And I really think there's something about being in reality TV world and

Speaker 4 the fucking mental gymnastics that like, I think in different ways we've had to deal with that I really, you know, you clearly have had to deal with adversity.

Speaker 4 You've clearly had to show resilience throughout your life to go through all the crazy shit you've gone through and still, like, be what, like you said, seemingly a down-to-earth guy.

Speaker 4 Like, it requires certain qualities. And I think those are the types of qualities that get you through a show like that.
So I'm betting that you're going to do

Speaker 4 pretty well.

Speaker 3 Only time will tell. We'll see.

Speaker 5 Do you feel like it was like physically or mentally?

Speaker 3 Like, what was harder for you?

Speaker 3 oof the physical or the mental i think they were i mean they were both equally as hard i think i think the mental the mental is really it's it's brutal you have to question your existence on why you're you know like you have to you have so much time to sit and think and to think and it's very fast moving but you have so much time to just think like why am i doing this like what is the purpose of this and ultimately you have to want to be there you know you have to really i mean and these guys are watching you 24-7, like, and they tell you right in the beginning, I want to see, and like it says kind of what you were saying, I want to see 110% every single day.

Speaker 3 I don't care what that looks like for any one of you, which is what, you know, they don't care. But if they are, they're going to want to see 110%.

Speaker 3 And like you said, if you continuously day in, day out, regardless if you fail or you win the challenges, doesn't matter. If you are giving them 110%.

Speaker 3 you will go far on the show.

Speaker 4 It's just about getting back up.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you will go. And if, and, and, and how do you deal with, you know, losing? Are you one of those people when you lose, are you like, God, I'm just fine.
You're pissed off.

Speaker 3 Are you like, damn, I know what I did. I messed up.
I got to fix that. You know, you have to be always thinking, like, well, why did I mess? You know, not sitting there dwelling.

Speaker 3 And I think that, you know, it's all a test. It's all of those little things.
These guys are behind the scenes watching, just going like, well, how does he deal with this? How does he deal with that?

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, so much about the show, you see

Speaker 4 people like you doing the physical, like jumping down a cliff or whatever the fuck, but it's really in between those challenges yeah that really is the tough part absolutely just giving oh

Speaker 3 yeah well they didn't even show on the raft one you know when there were that like already i'm watching the show and you told me before it even aired you're like you're gonna be tripping because it's just there's so much that they don't show and that's so true because already i'm watching i'm like yeah come on

Speaker 3 thing because it made it seem like you guys wrote this raft okay this freaking raft thing you guys didn't oh yeah you guys did yeah you guys know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so we so we did too but they didn't show they didn't show them no oh that so that's what i'm saying so i saw yours and that looked really tough you guys had to carry super long distance and you had streams you could work with and different things right like no ours was we had so what they showed was one kind of lap you filled up the raft you got out you paddled around this you brought back no we had three laps of that going around then making it to the beach then you had to carry the the boat in soft sand up around this huge you know far up around the soft sand carry it around back into the water water, back to the, so it was rowing, soft sand, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was exhausting. And you, when you watch it, you're like, one time you're going to show something

Speaker 3 like that was no, that does not look hard at all. And it was so grueling.

Speaker 5 I feel like they just put a time code on the bottom, like a running time clock of like hour and 20 seconds.

Speaker 4 It only benefits the show

Speaker 4 to show just how fucking grueling they make it for y'all.

Speaker 3 Totally. And like close-ups of our fate, because even in the Buds training stuff, like the stuff where they had us.
Oh, that was brutal.

Speaker 3 I mean, they barely show how much i mean but if like at one point if they would have showed me close up like i look like i'm about to have a heart attack i'm like

Speaker 3 i thought ours was brutal like i told nally watching i'm like i hate to say it but like theirs might look a little harder than what we had to go dude it was it was it's it it was brutal it was it was gnarly it was it's

Speaker 3 like i said man it was one of those things like i don't know if i would do it again

Speaker 3 like look there's a lot of the stuff on the show that was a lot of fun like enjoy you know enjoy jumping from a moving boat to a helicopter helicopter.

Speaker 3 Like, come on, like, where are you going to sign me up?

Speaker 3 All these things, like, there was a lot of fun to be had, but all the stuff that you don't see like in between all that, I mean, it is 24 hours a day.

Speaker 3 You are constantly being punished, put, you know, I mean, it is non-stop and you can't really cover that. And that, that's the part that I'm like, mentally, I don't know if I do that again.

Speaker 3 Physically, a couple of things like those, that was fun. That was fun.
Like, some of the things coming up, you know, that you guys are going to see on the show, like, I would not want to do again.

Speaker 3 I'm like, no, thanks. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 Cam is an interesting guy.

Speaker 3 Did he

Speaker 3 ever

Speaker 4 get on your nerves?

Speaker 3 No, you know what?

Speaker 4 The boy talks a lot.

Speaker 3 I was in the zone. Like, I honestly, like, I was, I had one goal in mind when I was there was just make it, you know, just, I was so locked in.
I, I, I wanted to be there.

Speaker 3 Like, I really wanted to be there. Once I was there, you know, once I made that commitment, I'm like, I'm doing this.
I'm one of those people where I'm competitive.

Speaker 3 I'm like, I'm, if I'm doing this, I'm going all in.

Speaker 4 What was your biggest motivator to finish? Me, it was like, I had found out Natalie was pregnant. Yeah.
Like, we had just found out so much that it was like nervous to tell people, you never know.

Speaker 4 And I just, for me, it was like the idea that my kid, I didn't know we were having a girl at that point, could watch this, you know, and memorialize that, you know.

Speaker 4 And just now, I know Natalie first, she wanted me to go along because she thought I'd look hot. So I was like, I can't look like a pussy, you know?

Speaker 3 I love that.

Speaker 3 So like, honestly,

Speaker 3 I know what you got to go through.

Speaker 4 I'm sure you make my wife proud and my kids or future kids was a huge motivator for me. And just in, and wanting to have a chance to like, you know, show them that.
Like, was that similar for you?

Speaker 4 Or what else is motivating you?

Speaker 3 You mean you nailed it on the head? It was honey for sure. I just had honey.
Honey was still, you know, a baby. And that was a huge motivator.

Speaker 3 I think honey, you know, that one day she'll be able to watch this and see, oh, look, my dad did this was a huge motivator.

Speaker 3 My fiancé, who's an incredible athlete as well, like she really wanted me to do it. So obviously I wanted to make her proud.
My brother, my dad, you know,

Speaker 3 even my grandparents who are passed away, just I would say mostly it was family and the people that I love and I, you know, admire and I look up to, the people that I love.

Speaker 3 I just wanted them to see me do something that was, you know, something that was difficult and hard and able to, you know, just sort of show who, show what I'm, and I didn't even know, to be honest, I didn't know what I was put, I didn't know what I was going to go through.

Speaker 3 I had no idea. But my number one driving force was to make my family proud.
And me, I'm like my daughter, everybody. I'm for sure.
That was my number one. That's cool.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You mentioned on a recent episode that, you know, your dad recently reached out and kind of apologized for just, you know, not being there for you.

Speaker 4 What was that conversation like? And was that, was that a shocker?

Speaker 3 It was long overdue. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 I had like already forgiven, I feel like, Caitlin at the time for all the stuff, but we never had gotten a sort of real sincere apology, you know, just like it was, we've had our, you know, our differences in the past and it's been so long and I'm 41 years old.

Speaker 3 I have a family, like I'm over it.

Speaker 3 I don't need that relationship that I once felt like I really needed. You know,

Speaker 3 there was a time in my life where I really feel like I needed this relationship with Bruce, you know, at the time. And I was like, I really want to have this.
I want this relationship.

Speaker 3 And unfortunately, enough time had passed and enough thing. And I was like, you know what? Well, let's move on.
Let's move on from this.

Speaker 5 I feel like I, I'm similar, like my dad wasn't really around. And I definitely like craved that relationship with him.

Speaker 5 And I, I mean, haven't gotten that apology yet, but I feel like I've gotten to the point now where I'm like, I accept this man for who he is.

Speaker 5 He's not, he doesn't have a dad bone in his body, but like, I just respect this man to be this man. And like, I don't expect any sort of fatherness from him.

Speaker 3 And I'm sure that felt good for you too. Like, just

Speaker 3 like letting go of the expectations.

Speaker 5 Exactly. To stop being like, oh, he'll call me on my birthday and be like, letting go of that.

Speaker 3 It helps a lot. You're kind of like, well, that's.
And my brother actually was the one that told me to do that.

Speaker 3 My oldest brother, he was, or Brandon, he was like, he's like, you have to lower your expectations. And I was like.

Speaker 3 Kind of makes sense. It's hard for the swallow.
It is hard for it.

Speaker 3 He's like, you just have to lower your. And once I did that, I was like, you know what? Wow, that actually did.

Speaker 4 Yeah, sometimes you just have to think they're doing the best they can. Not that it's an excuse.
Right.

Speaker 4 But it's, yeah, I think sometimes when we have expectations of our parents or we compare to other people, it's,

Speaker 4 I think those expectations get mirrored in terms of make us feel like, I'm sure as a kid, you wondered, like, what the fuck did I do wrong? You know, like, why not me? Right.

Speaker 4 You know, and it really probably has nothing to do with that. Not even probably.

Speaker 3 Right. Yeah.
And that's, you know, as I got older, I sort of just, you know, understood that.

Speaker 3 And then when, you know, the Caitlin thing, I mean, my mom was the one who told me before Bruce had reached out and said, hey, you know, know, wanted to have the talk and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 And when that all happened, it was kind of weird because we were like filming on the Kardashians and it just felt very, not, didn't feel very genuine.

Speaker 3 You know, it was like, hey, okay, get the cameras rolling. All right.
Okay, Brody, sit down. And then it was like, hey, let's talk about how I wasn't there for you.
I was like, yeah, you guys rolling?

Speaker 3 You guys got this? To me, that's not, I'm like, okay, yeah. And I'd sit through the scene.
I'd do it. Okay, cool.
And then I just figured, but there was no, it just wasn't there.

Speaker 3 And I think that, you know, recently it was about, I don't know, maybe a year ago or something, we were playing golf. And

Speaker 3 I'm like, I remember just out of nowhere, like, stopped the car and stopped the car and was like, hey, I just, you know, I wanted, I wanted to talk to you for a second.

Speaker 3 I'm like, okay, what's this all about? You know, and then she's like, I just wanted to really apologize for, to you, like sincerely about all the years that, you know, like, I really, I fucked up.

Speaker 3 I really fucked up. That's what she said.
And like, said it in a way. And I was like,

Speaker 3 you could tell that she really felt that and really meant that.

Speaker 4 Did she try to explain herself?

Speaker 3 A little, a little bit, you know, she did, yeah, a little bit. She just talked about kind of the struggles that she was going through at the time as Bruce.
And

Speaker 3 you know what? And I understood. And I, you know, nobody's perfect.
And at the end of the day,

Speaker 3 you have to forgive. You have to be able to move forward.
If you sit there and you just think negative thoughts, I swear it only does a disservice to yourself. You know,

Speaker 3 the ability to be able to forgive and move forward, it's so therapeutic. It really helps you out more than anything.

Speaker 3 I was like, you know, once you forgive and you move on, you're like, wow, I feel great.

Speaker 3 But if you hold that resentment and you carry that, it ends up just going into other, you know, parts of your life. And it's just, it's counterproductive.
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 3 You know, it's like, you know, I know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But I will say that, you know, I wonder if your dad, I don't know if he'll ever do that, but it does help when it's that sincere sort of look, like, I'm not perfect. Like, I've made mistakes.

Speaker 3 I've done all those things and I apologize. It's just to hear that and to feel that, it does feels good.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Cause at this point in my life, I'm like, I don't need it, you know, like I'm, I'm good.
I accept him for who he is.

Speaker 5 But then, yeah, there's like a part of me that hopes that he'll recognize like the absence that he has played in my life and feel bad for me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and just know that I do think, yeah, at our wedding moment where I don't know if, I hope I'm wrong. I don't know if she'll ever get that because I don't know how aware he is

Speaker 4 about his shortcomings, but he was able to open up about his love for her in a way that I don't think she's heard much of. And I think that was a, that that was a special moment.
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 At our wedding. So, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think that healed the inner child as much as it possibly could have just hearing him say anything. You know, it was like, I don't think he had any plans to say anything at my wedding.

Speaker 5 And I was like, you have to say something. Like, you're my dad.
You have to speak.

Speaker 3 Right. And then put in on the spotlight.
Sometimes he kind of, like some things came out. They're like, oh, wow, that's good.

Speaker 4 Yeah. How are things with your stepsisters and things like that? Do you even get, is that a frustrating question?

Speaker 3 Because people have so many different expectations of what they think your relationship should be i mean not really no i mean look i i love them all love them all to death like i you know i just don't see them like you know kim's busy courtney's busy i i got to see them recently for caitlin's birthday we went over to kylie's house kylie unfortunately wasn't there uh she was traveling back from new york But I just, they're all busy, man.

Speaker 3 You know, everybody's busy. They're doing their thing.
You know, we didn't grow up in the same household. So it's not like it's any different.
You know, it's like, I don't get to see them.

Speaker 3 But when we do see each other, it's like no no time has passed.

Speaker 4 You know, in adulthood, do you feel like

Speaker 4 along with your dad, like the past kind of just gets left behind?

Speaker 4 You guys, because as adults can just continue, whether you get together a few times a year or not, just focus on being family and let the shit, whatever happened in the past, just kind of not even dwell on it.

Speaker 3 I have number one priority in life, and that's my family.

Speaker 3 My own family. And that's what I'm going to devote 100% of my time is to my family.
And it acquires a lot of time and focus and energy in my household.

Speaker 3 So ultimately, yeah, like worrying about that's things you can't control. I just, you know, if we do get to see each other once a year, great.
If we can't do it this year, you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 They got their kids. We have, you know, everybody's, everybody's busy, but we all love each other.
And we all have a tremendous amount of love for each other.

Speaker 3 And even Kendall and Kylie, you know, those are my little sisters. I rarely get to see them.
It's not their fault. You know, it's not my fault.
It's not really anybody's fault.

Speaker 3 It's just, yeah, they don't live that far, but we lived in two different households growing up we are close we're really close but we're not like call each other every day type of close but if if if kylie or kendall call me right now i would walk out of this room and pick up the phone and and and i'd be there for them i would leave this i mean i have 10 siblings and they're they're all my full siblings but it's the same i mean you know the ones who are 15 20 years younger than me i think you know we all wish we'd talk more but sadly some of them i talk to their business a handful of times a year you know

Speaker 4 it's like as a sometimes as the older brother i feel like i should maybe follow up with them but like you know yeah you're it's the same thing you just

Speaker 3 and it was almost like i grew they grew up in a different household i mean i i had three siblings born after i left the house right after you were gone yeah that's see yeah so yeah it's crazy since having honey is there a part of you i mean i don't know what tia's family's like or how old are uh brandon's kids brandon's kids are he's got twin boy he just had another baby a little while ago so he has a i think she must be three or four months old now he's got a newborn baby girl joan and then he's got two boys that are four.

Speaker 3 I want to say twin boys that are around four. His daughter is Eva and she's seven or eight.
Oh, wow. Seven or eight years.
Yeah. So.

Speaker 5 I mean, we're out here. We have no family out here.

Speaker 5 I mean, he's got a brother in San Diego with a daughter, but there's a part of me, like being from the South, I, you know, have. families always together, cousins, grandparents, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 Is there a part of you that wants honey to grow up with like all of her cousins and to be around all those kids?

Speaker 3 Absolutely. I think that, you know, Atia's sister actually just had a baby this morning.
So she just had a baby. Yeah, it's her second child.

Speaker 3 So her sister had her child only a couple months before Tia. Okay.
So she's got her sister. Her sister just had a boy.
I don't know. He's got to be a year and a half around honey's age.

Speaker 3 And then she just had another boy last night. So Tia's with them right now.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I mean, Brandon has all these kids. You know, we're very close with Brandon and them.
And so there's nothing better than siblings and cousins.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. I love that because we're from the South as well.
So Memphis, Tennessee is like, yeah, yeah, it's cool now. Okay.
TCB. Come on now.
Let's go.

Speaker 5 Cowboy.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Let's go, baby.

Speaker 3 Graceland local.

Speaker 3 Graceland local.

Speaker 3 Oh, no.

Speaker 3 But so, no, but I'm my mom's side. Her whole family is from Memphis, Tennessee.
And so, yeah, I come from, I've spent a lot of time in the South growing up, and it's great.

Speaker 3 It's, it's the southern values is my mom's, you know, that's she gets around her, you know, her family all of a sudden, y'all need this, y'all. I'm like, yeah,

Speaker 3 where did come from, mom?

Speaker 3 I was saying,

Speaker 3 which is all of a sudden, it's like pidgin in Hawaii. You know, everyone in Hawaii all the time.

Speaker 3 Pop into the pigeon, you're like, whoa, where'd that come from?

Speaker 4 I turned into a hillbilly.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was a lot of dating and

Speaker 3 I love that, though. I love the southern.
So, yeah, she's going to, you know, family is very important to us for sure. We want her to get around as much family as possible.
Yeah, and just

Speaker 3 try to facilitate the best life for her in any way we can.

Speaker 4 It's great, though, having a kid, though. I think you just said, like, if it doesn't show up at my front door, like, I don't give a fuck.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 I really just care about her, my daughter. Absolutely.
I mean, I care about obviously my immediate family, but once you have a family of your own, it's really just

Speaker 4 every decision you make is centered around that. And it really just makes life, it puts things in focus in ways that like you just never thought you would.

Speaker 4 I mean, you think about the shit I would dwell on or waste my energy on or just like think about things, you know, you care less about yourself.

Speaker 3 And it's, it, it just makes so true life happier and easier and it's uh it's a real blessing it's just like i'm just in awe every time i look at honey i'm just like i just love her so much like that feeling where you just want to squeeze

Speaker 4 she does something

Speaker 3 it's just it's just right and there's nothing the only thing you care about is how do i make that person the most happy person on this planet no matter what it is like and that's why we talk about in the relationship and making sure you fight for your relationship And, you know, Tia and I both are on that side of it.

Speaker 3 You know, we really love each other. We love our family.
We love, you know, yes, we fight just like anybody else. Every couple, like I said, you know, keeps it interesting.

Speaker 3 It's good to have your disc. You need to, it can't just be smooth sailing all the time.
When y'all do that. I don't, I don't think it can.
If somebody has a smooth sailing relations, something's off.

Speaker 3 You got to have a little bit of, you know, they need to be able to get it.

Speaker 3 It's got to be a little

Speaker 4 friction

Speaker 3 to reconnect. It makes the makeup better.

Speaker 5 How do y'all reconnect after? Like, what's kind of y'all's go-to way of

Speaker 3 I feel like I'm definitely one of those people that always wants to fix it right now. Like, I'm like, I'm like, let's just, I'm like, let's fix this.
Like, we need to talk. And she's like, don't talk.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like, leave me alone right now.
I'm like, no, please, just let me talk.

Speaker 3 So then I'll have to go make myself busy. I'll do something, give her some time, time, time, keep, try it again.
Should I apologize again? I'm going to go back in, try it again.

Speaker 3 If I'm still sensing, leave again.

Speaker 3 I just, I slowly just have to keep, you just, you gain little bits of progress each time until finally, yeah, and she'll be like, Okay, you do the apologizing and you work your way back, okay.

Speaker 3 This is what I learned. Okay, I'll do this differently.
I'm like, But do you need to apologize for anything? Because I'm all

Speaker 3 seriously

Speaker 3 wrong, so I can't imagine that she never needs to apologize. She's never wrong.
I can relate to that, yeah.

Speaker 3 She's always right.

Speaker 4 So, uh, after Special Forces, I know you're DJing, you have that's a you that's going great for you. What do you think is next for you?

Speaker 4 Do you think public eye, you'll ever pop back in, or do do you think you'll just kind of keep doing what you're doing?

Speaker 3 You know, I was,

Speaker 3 I, I wasn't going to go back to reality television like after my last kind of stint of it.

Speaker 3 T and I dabbled in the YouTube space a little bit of a sort of kind of just like reality type of show that we have control of. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, like we're, you know, we can hire somebody to edit it, but like we are in control of it.

Speaker 3 Something like that, I would gravitate towards a little more than than something like another competition show or whatever it is, or even just a reality show in general.

Speaker 3 I think that the hills and the time that I was on reality television back then, it's just a different time. You know, times are changed.
Reality shows have changed a lot.

Speaker 3 I feel like you were kind of, you know, that's old school still. That's OG.

Speaker 3 You were in it when it was, it's changed a lot since when you were on it, when I was on it, I mean, it's changed.

Speaker 3 And now you essentially have your own reality TV show channel and YouTube and all these different things. You don't necessarily need to.

Speaker 3 I think that for me and for my future, I just, I'm really enjoying the music, the family, you know, music. My, you know, my stepdad was David Foster.
Growing up, music has been a huge part of my life.

Speaker 3 Something that's never been shown in reality television shows because all the shows that I was on are like these relationship type of shows.

Speaker 3 So they never followed my musical journey because I was in, you know, bands, play the drums and all that stuff. And then the DJ stuff I picked up about 12 years ago.

Speaker 3 And I just, you know, I love music. I love, but it's tough for me now at 41 to just continue the club circuit, you know, like being in nightclubs and doing the open, because I learned open format.

Speaker 3 And so I play a lot of Vegas shows, top 40, all that stuff but some late nights you know and when you're doing them consistently every single weekend doing those type of shows it's tough so right now i'm gravitating more towards producing my own stuff putting out original music and potentially playing more type of festival shows you know what i mean like more edc breakaway um there's a lot of really cool music festivals that play a lot earlier you know i'll be going on at like probably 4 p.m in the afternoon which which i'm cool with you know and performing on a level like that as opposed to only doing sort of the late night collab because i'll still do some, but it's doing them every single weekend.

Speaker 3 It just takes away from the time that you get with your family. And I think that when you have a young child, you come home and you got to have energy.
You got to be ready to go.

Speaker 3 Like you got to be like, you got to be up. You got to, you can't just, you don't have time to have a day hangover or be tired or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 Do you have any

Speaker 4 life hack things that keep you young? Are you a relatively healthy, healthy guy?

Speaker 3 I try to, yeah. You know, I, I've done a fair bit of drinking in my, in my, in my days.
So I, I haven't drank in six months or something like that. Taking a little break from the alcohol.

Speaker 3 I think it's good to just go through cycles where you take a break. And I'm definitely in one of those cycles.
I was like, you know what? I'm just enjoying feeling good, waking up.

Speaker 3 You know, my hangovers were terrible. So I cut out alcohol.
Who knows if I'll ever revisit it? Maybe, maybe not. Right now I'm loving life without it.
So that's been a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 But just, we try to stay healthy. You know, I'm fairly active.
You know, I think that. Our lifestyle is very active.
I do train a little bit. I like to keep cardio up.

Speaker 3 I like to, a lot of the things I like to do are,

Speaker 3 it takes a lot out of you. Like, I almost died the other day, literally, like surfing the other day.
It's terrifying. I went out on a really big day and I had no business being out there.

Speaker 3 Like, I've been surfing a long time and I'm a pretty good surfer, but I went out there on a big day and had like a very, very close call of drowning. And I was like, oh, it was terrifying.

Speaker 3 Like, it was like, I've had some serious beatdowns in my life, but this was one of those situations where I was like, family flash before my eyes type of. Yeah, just recently.

Speaker 5 I was like caught in a wave.

Speaker 3 You know, I made a a mistake. I paddled out, didn't really look at the sets.
It was really big, you know, we're talking like actually like 25-foot faces of the, I mean, huge, the waves were huge.

Speaker 3 And I paddled out there and I took off on a medium-sized one, not waiting for a set. I didn't really wait for a set.

Speaker 3 So as I took the medium-sized one, I'm going to paddle back out and I see this just huge set coming. And I'm trying to make it out.
I'm like, am I going to make it?

Speaker 3 I, you know, I was like deciding and I paddled, paddle, paddle. I was paddling.
So it was like I was sprinting to get out to make it.

Speaker 3 And I get over the one wave and I just, behind it was like just this black wall of like, you know, it was a solid 25 foot face. I mean, this thing just detonated right on top of me.

Speaker 3 And I was so out of breath because I was, I was so, I was paddling so hard. So I was like, oh, no, this is about to happen.

Speaker 3 So I took like, you know, three or four waves, just one after the next, just boom, boom. And I, I mean, I can't, when I was coming up, I would only get like a chance to get one more breath in.

Speaker 3 And then it would, I mean, I almost blacked out. Like I was like this close to blacking out.
And I went in right after and I was like, that was, that was the closest I've ever come to drowning.

Speaker 3 And that just happened like two weeks ago. Oh, I'm glad.
And then I snapped my MCL.

Speaker 3 So Hawaii is no joke. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 4 her cousin has a beautiful place in the shores of Hawaii.

Speaker 4 And he tucks me out, surf, and

Speaker 4 didn't seem as dangerous as yours, but he was like, don't go over there, whatever you do. It's like really shallow and there's coral reefs.

Speaker 4 And next thing you know, I'm like literally in the exact spot where you're like, he said, don't go.

Speaker 3 I'm just like trying not to float.

Speaker 6 And I was getting my ass fucking kicked.

Speaker 4 And there was a second I was pretty scared. It wasn't quite like yours, but it beat the fuck out of me.
And it was, it's that, the ocean's no joke, man.

Speaker 3 But is it, you know, the thing like you were saying, life hacks or whatever, what, like, I love keeping myself excited about things or like, or learning.

Speaker 3 You know, I do find that that helps me stay enthusiastic with life, you know, waking up every day and wanting to get better at something or enjoying. So like for me, surfing and being in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 experiencing those type of waves and knowing that I'm not really prepared for this and going, wow, I need to train harder and sort of waking up with a purpose.

Speaker 4 I think I was just about to say that having a purpose, waking up with a purpose,

Speaker 4 just being a dad, being a husband more than anything, and that gives you like a, if you don't know why you're waking up, totally, life's so much more difficult.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. Just waking up, and it could be anything, it doesn't matter what it is, but just something that you love to wake up and aspire to achieve or attack or go for.

Speaker 3 Have you put honey on a surfboard yet? We have. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And we've got her up there.

Speaker 3 She's not, she's kind of, she gets in the water and then she's really into saying all done right now so it's just no matter what it is it's all done all done all right all done so we've got her on there she yeah she loves she loves over there in hawaii she's she's um that's great well that's

Speaker 3 them together yeah i would love that i would love that what was her first word her first word i want to say dada no i'm just gonna of course i don't know i think it was it probably was mama it was probably the mama's dog yeah oh really you know what it might have you know what actually i think she loves dogs she might that might have been her first word.

Speaker 3 Tia would know that. Like, it might have been that.
Dog. She's just kind of like, dog.

Speaker 4 She said dada and mama, but like, she had no idea what she was saying.

Speaker 3 Right, right, right.

Speaker 4 Over Thanksgiving, she looked at the dogs and goes, dog. And I was like,

Speaker 3 and now it's like, oh, what a dog say?

Speaker 5 And she's like,

Speaker 3 oh, wait. And so how old is your daughter? She's almost one February 2nd.
Oh, it gets, it's just.

Speaker 3 It's like, you know, honey's like a year and a half and it just gets better. It's like, what did you do for her? Because now she's talking.
We just had a nice little chill party at the house.

Speaker 3 Like, we had some friends over and just celebrated at our house and just did a little something. Nothing too crazy.

Speaker 3 But it's, you know, it's just once they start to communicate and they're really, you know, that's when we're just having

Speaker 4 too much fun. For us, like,

Speaker 4 they seem to bond from day one. Yeah.
Now it's like as the river gets older, her and I are bonding more and more. Like, I'm actually somebody in her life now, you know? It's crazy.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I look forward to like, like, when they just look at you and then they just, oh, yeah. I know they've only been gone for like less than 24 hours and I'm like, already missing.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, ah,

Speaker 3 I know.

Speaker 6 Are they in Hawaii still?

Speaker 3 No, they are, well, because Tia's sister had a baby. So she just, she drove down south.
Her parents lived down in Oceanside. So she went down to Oceanside and she's going to visit the family.

Speaker 3 I got to do some work stuff. I'm doing this.
And then I go to Vegas for Mamitas. It's my tequila soda brand.
We have a big kind of convention thing out there.

Speaker 3 So I got to go to Vegas and then I come back and we're here for another week or something and then back to Hawaii.

Speaker 5 Obviously, Kindle with 818. Is there any like dream of like collaboration with 818?

Speaker 3 We've actually, we've done some stuff with 818. Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we put some stuff out together. We worked with them.
We had them at our wedding. A year ago.
Which one? The Mamitas?

Speaker 3 Or the 818?

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, she's got great distribution. Her tequila is great.
I've tried it. It's awesome.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I mean, we're always looking to collab. We just launched in Mexico like three weeks ago.
We got into all the OXXOs out there. So I think we're in like 15,000 OXXO shows.

Speaker 3 So we changed the flavor profile a little bit. It's a little more sugar.
It's a little, we have a couple of different flavors that's, they're really good.

Speaker 3 The ones, because we did all the, the United States ones, very kind of locale, low sugar. Everybody likes that.
But in Mexico, they don't seem to care as much.

Speaker 3 We put a little more sugar because they like the taste, you know?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it's just a little,

Speaker 3 it's doing well in Mexico. So we're, uh, we're excited.
It's been fun.

Speaker 3 It's been, I think I'm like four, like four years in, five years in, but the wow the beverage face is just it's wild it's uh it's very competitive it's extremely competitive but you know the guys that i partnered up with started for loco i mean these guys are like pine yeah there's some oh these guys and they're just such great people they're really really good friends of mine so it's been fun starting this thing and sort of watching other brands come in because we were one of the first ones to do tequila and soda and then a bunch of other brands kind of came in after and you just i always just remember being like dude why what is it you know i was always so worried we got this and he's like don't worry like they're going to be out of here.

Speaker 5 Just watch it.

Speaker 3 Do you remember a night off of a Forloco or no? I never remember anything off four local perception. Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 It's like the mind eraser. Just immediately.
Yeah, no, it's yeah, four locos, no joke.

Speaker 4 But, um, uh, Brody, it's been so much fun, man. Yeah, I really appreciate your time.
It's uh, it's been great to continue to get to know you.

Speaker 4 Wishing you the best of luck the rest of the way on Special Forces. And uh, anything else you want to plug or put out there?

Speaker 3 I mean, I think I know, just special forces Wednesday, 8 p.m.

Speaker 3 And yeah, just stay healthy and happy, everybody.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Well, congratulations on Fatherhood and everything else that's great going into your life, man.

Speaker 3 It's awesome. I appreciate that.
Thank you. Thank you, man.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 Well, we just want to give a special thank you to Brody and to all you listening. We'll be back tomorrow.

Speaker 3 See you then.