E867 - Los Angeles Fires, Traitors w/ Dorinda Medley, Heidi Montag Hits No 1, RHOSLC, and Special Forces

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

I am your host, Nick.

We are safe and sound.

Thankfully, it's been a wild, wild few days here in LA.

Obviously, everyone in the country and the world knows about the fires.

It really has been, I'm assuming you all feel the same way, but it's, it was very much giving like, if you were in LA, which I think all of us were safe inside, obviously, because the air quality was pretty scary for a while, but it was giving like the first couple days of COVID.

You know, going to the grocery store, everyone's wearing masks again, like grocery store, like shelves were felt pretty picked through at times.

People buying large amounts of water, very eerie feeling, obviously very scary.

Thankfully, we are okay.

So many other people have not been.

Obviously, a lot of people have lost homes.

You know, so many thousands of people have lost homes.

Sadly, people have lost their lives.

It's really very tragic, but hopefully things are getting better.

We have some wind in the forecast this week.

So we'll see how it goes.

But yeah,

it's been crazy.

I don't know.

I've been seeing a lot of chatter online and like critiquing online.

I feel like this is when the people love to critique influencers and celebrities and especially people who, quite frankly, aren't even in LA, I feel like are the loudest.

But it's like, I've heard a lot of people say that, like, influencers are handling this wrong, right?

Like, there's some who are leaving town and flying to a different state, you know, and they're running away.

And then there's the people who are posting and like, donate, donate.

Here's everything I'm donating.

I'm going and buying this and donating this.

And it's like, you're such a pick-me, you're trying to get cloud.

And then it's people who aren't posting.

And it's like, what are you doing?

You know, there's just so much criticism around everyone's moves right now.

And I feel like there's no like rule book or right way to deal with or cope with or live through devastation and traumatic experiences.

And it's like for people to critique what people are doing.

It's like if you left town because you were scared, like that's fine.

My power too.

If you like stayed and you went to Costco and you bought a bunch of stuff or you took a bunch of donations and you helped a bunch of people and you posted it all over the internet, that's fine.

If you did all of that but didn't post it, that's fine.

If like you know what's not helpful?

Your criticisms.

Yep.

It's just like, I just feel like people are so quick to use these moments to be like see that's why i hate that influencer because she like hasn't posted one single thing this whole fire and it's like probably because i don't know she's scared she's with her family she's trying to protect herself it's like at the very least everyone in la experienced some sort of sleep deprivation anxiety smoke inhalation like yeah we all were sitting wondering like are we next like i feel like everyone had this sense of like should we pack a to-go bag should i i mean i'm i'm running around our house being like, what are our prized possessions?

Like, what are stuff that we can't replace?

And that's a really scary feeling to just even have to think about that.

There's just no right or wrong way.

And,

you know, I, for, even for the people who are like posting like normal, people are mad at them.

And it's like, they're just trying to experience some sort of normality.

And I think there is guilt around that normality.

It's like, you know, I was like, oh, should I stop and get a coffee this morning?

And then I was like, this sense of guilt of like, oh my God, why would I stop and get a coffee?

Like, there's people who you're like, yeah, I don't know how you guys feel because there's a, there's an eeriness of like, are, are, are we supposed to like act normal now?

Like, what, what is the protocol here?

You, you wake up each day.

Some days there's clouds in the sky.

Some days it's like the skies are clear.

It's, yeah, it's very uncertain here.

Yeah.

It's uh, and for us, like, you know, Natalie mentioned, like, we, Natalie packed like a, like a to-go bag.

This particular fire has been a historical travesty, but like, it's, it's obviously gotten out of control.

There's a lot of dialogue about how that that happened, but like for it to have gotten as close as it was was terrifying because in all the years that I've lived here, we are aware of the fires going on, you know, but for people in LA, you just where we lived, it was never really something that we had to worry about.

And now that we do, it's, it's a new, everyone in LA is just not sure what's going on.

And then you have reports of arson, you know, a lot of these fires have been started by arsonists.

It's a really scary time.

And

yeah, so obviously thinking about everyone affected, but you make a great point.

Like, just, I don't know, that's just the internet.

Everyone wants to jump on and have an opinion, especially when they're not even here.

Like, you don't even know what's going on.

And it's also with like the celebrities, you know, it's like Kim Kardashian is posting nonstop about this and that and resources.

And it's like, how do you know she hasn't donated a bunch?

Like, just because people aren't posting that they're donating doesn't mean they're not donating.

Because if they posted they donated, then you're all

like, oh my God, you're so kicking.

You're only doing it.

But like, it's like when people film themselves helping homeless people, it's like you're only doing that to have a video or to help, you know, but it's like people feel like if they don't record it and don't post it, then people are going to think they're not helping and they're not doing anything.

I also think there's a misconception that it's only rich people being affected by these fires, where it's like these are people that have inherited homes that couldn't even afford to buy this home currently or like just normal people in general.

They barely afford the property tax.

Yeah, so it's like it's everybody.

A lot of it was like rent-controlled apartments that people had lived in for 30, 40, 50 years that had just, that's all they could have.

Altadida and Pasadena are just like normal communities that have just been like absolutely devastated.

I've seen like, as far as like the community in LA, just like enormous amounts of like empathy and care for each other, which is kind of like, I guess, in a really messed up way, like some sort of silver lining of this, have basic empathy for people who have gone through like utter destruction and the worst thing that could happen.

That's all it takes is just to be like, I don't know.

You know, I don't, you know, maybe you wouldn't handle it that way, but you're not here and you're not like living through this.

And so I just don't think there's a rulebook to this type of stuff there's a lot of crazy stories out there we do have a great episode coming up we do have dorinda from traders joining us later this episode sadly if you are watching traders we we are it's we're going to talk about it obviously with dorinda really entertaining sadly dorinda was already voted off uh lots of discussions and dialogue on that but she joins us later in the show this is obviously a very tragic time for la and there's a lot of sad stories but we do want to try to focus on the more positive stories.

I mean, there's not much positives.

There's always, you know, but there have been some community members that have been heroes dealing with this tragedy.

And one of them, his name is Alec Gellis.

His girlfriend, Kelly, sadly lost her house.

He has been fighting fires.

He had to deal with the Franklin fire that was a few weeks ago to try to save his house and a few of his neighbors' houses.

And then when this fire happened, he was once again fighting fires and literally putting his life on the line.

Sadly, his girlfriend lost her house in the fire.

It was definitely an act of bravery bravery that he put out, and he is so gracious enough to join us and share a little bit of his story.

So welcome to the show, Alec.

Hey, Alec, welcome to the show.

How you doing, man?

What's up, guys?

How's everybody?

Nice to meet everybody.

Nice to meet you as well.

We are okay.

Obviously, first off, we want to start by giving you our condolences.

Kelly, obviously, your girlfriend, she couldn't be with us.

She lost her house, but you've been dealing with some pretty sad tragedy over the past few weeks.

So we just, first and foremost, appreciate you taking taking the time, man.

Definitely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I appreciate it.

It's been a wild couple months.

And

yeah.

Yeah.

So I we kind of introd you, but can you in your own word just kind of explain what the past couple months has been like starting with back when you started just dealing with the Franklin fire?

Yeah, so about three months ago,

there was a fire in Malibu.

One house burned on Malibu Road.

And then the next month, there was a Franklin fire that kind of ripped through.

It came into Sarah Retreat.

Where I live was kind of like ground zero.

So

we were prepared with the pumps and the pools and those gas powered generators and were able to put out the fires here at our place and then the neighbors' houses, Patrick Dempsey's, Dick Van Dyke,

and a couple other people.

And that Franklin fire burned through all the brush here.

And then, so when the Palisades fire came, it ripped through the Palisades up to Malibu and it basically stopped burning when it got into my neighborhood because everything had already burned.

But it came came through Kelly's.

I was over there, did everything that I could to put it out.

It was so much wind, so much ember,

so much fire.

There wasn't anything I could do.

There was no oxygen in the air.

So I basically just had to get out of there.

Scary, man.

Like, so

when you were fighting this fire and obviously how much you were successful a few weeks ago, I mean, is this something you were just kind of figuring out on the fly?

Did you have experience fighting these types of fires fires from the past?

And what made you realize that, hey, I just need to get the heck out of there?

Obviously, you mentioned no oxygen, but yeah, what even made you think that, oh, shit, like, let's just get the fuck out of here right now as opposed to just trying to fight the fire?

Yes.

So these wildfires in Malibu, they happen every 10 years or so.

I mean,

there's historically always been these crazy fires that come through.

So the people that have been residents for a while know that you got to be prepared.

And if you can stay and put out spot fires as embers land in trees and in bushes, you can a lot of the time save your home.

And a lot of people were able to save their homes.

I've been seeing a lot of really cool videos of people with their hoses, with the pumps, saving their homes.

But sometimes too much fire comes through, and there's just, it's just not

something that you can stay through.

So it got to a point where I'm there.

It's like literally like a blizzard of like murder hornets that are on fire, just just like stinging me.

Oh, man.

And I, and there's, and I can't breathe.

Um, I'm suffocating.

So I just basically sprinted to my car.

Oh, that's so scary.

Did you incur any injuries at all while fighting these fires?

No, no injuries, luckily.

Oh, thank God.

Where was Kelly when when you were trying to put out the fire in her house?

Was she also there?

So, um, yeah, so we were, so we were up at her place.

We basically just like watered it down.

We'll just kind of, we were just kind of like spraying all the hedges and like the the roof and everything and just making sure it was all soaking wet that if a fire came it would like an ember lands on it it just goes out right away sure and when the fire came over the hill it got too close and she just didn't feel safe so i just um uh drove over to my place really quick and then came back and um

the cops almost didn't let me in i had to like like

fight two cops like got in like a like screaming argument with two cops to get back in and one of them chased me back up to the house

um and eventually was just like dude you're fucking crazy and just like left and um

basically uh yeah that's that's what happened man that is that is really sad how how is kelly doing i mean i i don't i couldn't even imagine what it's like to to lose a house I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Was she able to get her most valuable possessions out or what did that look like?

She got it.

She got some stuff out, but like pretty much lost everything and um it was a really special cottage that she was renting um and she kind of has this like really epic like fairy vibe um creative and it was just such like a special place to chill and it was like her dream home that she'd been seeing driving in and out of malibu for like years and then like just kind of like happened to end up being able to rent it and it and

she'd only been there since April.

So it was, it's just like super devastating.

So she's really sad, just been trying to like stay positive and kind of look to the future and avoid looking in the rearview mirror and just see all the opportunities going forward and like all the cool travel, travel possibilities and like trying to just kind of like see like the like blue ocean ahead.

Yeah.

I mean, that's all you can do is try to be positive.

What are other people in your community experiencing?

It's super crazy here.

So the.

The challenge with Malibu is there's so many regulatory agencies that make it almost impossible to rebuild your home.

So there's many homes that haven't even been able to be rebuilt since Woolsey fire.

So especially these houses on the beach are especially difficult to build.

So most of these houses are from the 70s or even earlier, and they're people that are older who have the tax basis from a long time ago.

So they probably won't be able to rebuild.

Most of them are underinsured or the insurance dropped them because the area is so fire prone.

So most of these people really like lost everything and it may take a decade or more for them to rebuild.

So, essentially, it's just a complete loss because they won't be able to sustain holding the property.

So, it's hard to tell what's going to happen to a lot of these homes.

Probably they're just going to turn into like mega billionaire compounds.

That's going to be like kind of crazy.

But, yeah, it's really going to change the community a lot, especially in that area.

And

so, the half of Malibu that burned was the half that didn't burn in Woolsey.

So, it's just like, whoa.

Man.

what is the PCH in Malibu like right now?

I mean, we obviously haven't been down there.

It's like, uh, it's like a nuketown.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like, it used to be one of the prettiest drives, maybe, maybe in the world.

And now, I mean, again, like Natalie said, we haven't been there.

I can't even imagine what it's like, the devastation and like an apocalyptic type of movie.

Yeah, apocalyptic movie, like bombs were dropped.

Oh my God.

Man.

Malibu in the 40s.

Yeah.

So you're, you live in a community where you saved patrick dimpsey and dick van dyke's house so is that just you just got out and you started spraying their house as well yeah so we had like um these like fire hoses and we um like soaked our house and the franklin fire was a whole nother beast so it was like It was just going through the brush.

It wasn't catching houses on fire.

So the embers that landed were much easier to put out.

There wasn't as much fire.

There wasn't as much force or wind behind the fires.

So I was able to do a lot of good at neighbors' houses with just like their garden hoses or their sprinklers or like one neighbor had like another had like a like fire hose like pool system like we did.

And

it was much easier.

But with this, it's like a house catches on fire with like levels and so many layers of like wood and different materials.

It's like, that's not going to get put out with a, with a, with a hose, garden hose.

Yeah.

Does Kelly have any sort of go fund me or place that our audience and our listeners can donate to since, I mean, she's just lost absolutely everything.

Definitely.

Yeah, please go to her Instagram.

It's at Kelly Lauren and her links in her bio.

And the GoFundMe is

help Kelly rebuild from the Palisades fire.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

We'll make sure we put that in our show notes as well.

Man, it's...

It's such a sad situation.

We really appreciate you taking the time.

Is there anything you want to leave us with, you know, in terms of, I don't know, of any inspiration or just words of wisdom?

I don't think this is you know we're not even completely out of it yet we obviously have some wind advisories this week as well so it's definitely kind of still wait and see but uh you know what can you leave us with alec yeah i mean it's so important just to live with gratitude and just be positive enjoy every moment because it can all change so fast and um

and also it's an opportunity just to break the routine and be flexible and like i mean that in a way that's like not insensitive and i mean it's just tough because so many people's dream homes were in la that they got.

But yeah, I hope everyone can just, you know,

stay strong and

stay positive that they're alive and just be free to go forward with their future with nothing holding them back if they lost something.

Yeah.

Well, Alec, I definitely feel like you are seen as a hero.

I hope you feel that.

I hope your neighbors feel that.

I hope Kelly feels that.

I mean, for you to step up and try to help all of these people is really inspirational.

And honestly, like, I just want to say thank you, even though it wasn't me you were helping.

I appreciate it.

Yeah, nice to meet everybody.

Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, thank you, Alec.

Best of luck.

Give Kelly our best.

And thank you for your heroism.

Thanks, guys.

All right.

Take care, buddy.

Bye.

Well, on a more positive note, obviously,

still with tragedy, friends of the show, Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag, they also sadly lost their house.

But in a kind of twist of positivity, Spencer trying to raise money to help pay for their lost house, asked fans to support his wife's hit song, I'll do it.

And the fans pulled through.

I think it's always been Heidi's dream to be like a pop star.

And so I think the fact that Spencer's been able to like get all of this support and have all of these people like rally behind and stream I'll do it and her album Superficial and like make her number one on the charts and make her this this pop star she's always dreamed of.

It's really great.

It's really great.

It's a really cool story.

We want to keep supporting it.

They're number one on iTunes now.

I think we're trying to get them also to number one on Spotify and on the Billboard charts as a whole.

The job is not done.

We still need to go out and try to support Heidi and Spencer's song.

I mean, for one, we just want to support them.

They literally lost their house.

And two, I mean,

it's a good story.

And we need stories like this of inspiration and positivity in the face of tragedy.

And it's been really cool to see their fans and their supporters come together to support Heidi and their song.

And it's a catchy song.

And a lot of other celebrities, Emrata, posted about it being like, it's the new song of the summer.

It's going to be the 2025 song of the summer.

Flavor Flave is supporting it.

Pitbull said that he's going to drop a verse on it, too.

Pitbull.

So, I mean,

we're really going here, and it's really taking off.

It's cool, too, because Heidi had a quote back in 2010 where she said, if this album doesn't blow up next week, maybe it's next year.

Maybe it's like a million dollars.

I think she said that when we were...

When they were here.

Yeah, she said it again.

That's just always been her.

It's always been her kind of approach.

You never really know.

They also have two young boys, which, you know, I don't know if everyone knows, but it is, I mean, it's just so heartbreaking that these, you know, these young boys.

No, it's devastating.

I mean, you know, adults, I mean, even adults, like you're talking to Alec, I mean, it's, he seems to be trying to have a positive spin, but this is traumatic and it's, it's terrible and it affects you.

But when you have for the kids, how do you explain that?

They have what, a two-year-old?

Like, what's their youngest?

Two?

Old enough to remember.

I think.

So.

I mean, old enough to remember their room and their toys and like their favorite hide and seek places in their house and all of that is gone and it's so sad.

So Justin, what is the name of the album if they want to go buy the whole album?

Superficial.

Superficial.

So whether it's on iTunes, Spotify, wherever you want, go support Heidi and Spencer and download Heidi's hit song.

I'll do it.

Or stream it.

Just listen.

Just listen.

Just listen.

As Spencer said, you put it on the volume low, and you don't even have to listen to it if it's not your taste, but still stream it.

Give it five stars.

And then, you know, speaking of the assholes out there, I posted about it, I think, the other day, and then, you know, a couple of people are like, oh, it's only got two stars.

I'm like, literally go fuck yourself.

Like, no one cares about the stars.

Like, it's number one.

Like, how many of y'all had a number one song?

I haven't.

I have in my heart.

There you go.

Anyways, on a not-so-positive note, Justin got a parking ticket during the fires.

Yeah, can I have a little second on this?

You can do it.

Justin, take a second.

I've decided this is the hill I'm going to die on.

Basically, my partner had to evacuate the Hollywood area, mandatory evacuation during the sunset fire came to my house that night i moved my car out of my parking spot onto the street so he could have it just because timing wise and you're just a good lover and my good lover yeah i wake up and i move my car two minutes after the like street sweeping sign whatever notice i get a ticket two minutes after during the evacuations mandatory evacuations there's ash falling from the sky so first of all i'm like what are we sweeping first of all what are you sweeping there's not a single car in sight sweeping the streets also what are you going to to sweep?

And then I'm like, and so now we're ticketing people, victims of the fire, that are evacuating because you told them to evacuate.

I saw a picture the other day that

it was someone who evacuated from Palisades, put a sign in their car on the window that said, just evacuated last night from the Palisades.

Please do not tick it.

They ticketed it.

Put the ticket right on top of the sign.

Are you kidding me?

So it's like.

Yeah, I saw that.

I mean, I contested the ticket and I'm willing to use these words.

I said it's extremely inhumane and ignorant to be ticketing people while you're telling them to evacuate.

Is any other inspirational stories that we could share?

Yeah, I think there's a lot of people who are stepping up and being on the front lines.

I mean, first and foremost, all of the firefighters who have been on the front lines for days and days and days and have not slept, and the people from Canada and the people from Mexico, and all of all the volunteers, all the local businesses and restaurants, and people who have been donating food and catering food, all the people who have done anything they could to help.

We appreciate them.

There's so many brands also who are sending baby formula and baby clothes and you know just so many things to people who've lost and and i think just all of those people just deserve to be thanked and recognized recognized for sure yeah i've never been so proud to uh live in la same yeah all right household headlines before we get into household headlines i um i need a follow-up on the fast nick it was successful i lasted three days of no eating and on the fourth day i did fruit all day what what i feel like I also participated in this fast by not even signing up.

Let me rephrase.

Nick and Natalie.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Because Nick.

I'll shut the fuck up.

I got wild side eyes.

Yeah.

Groundbreaking to some of you, but Nick is the cook of our family and he was not cooking.

He wasn't making his girl dinner.

Well, he was on his fast.

I felt like it was fucked up for me to be like, could you like make me a steak while you're not eating?

You know, like that's fucked up.

I did

on the last night.

I did pick up John and Vinny's for her.

He did do that one.

And that was a a hard car ride home.

Yeah.

Let me tell you.

I also with a delicious pepperoni pizza.

Just your choice.

While driving.

I understood, but day three was better.

I tell you what, listen, again, I am not offering medical advice out there for anyone, to be clear.

But yeah, I found it to be very beneficial for me.

It really helped with inflammation.

I feel like a little

sponge.

Just a little less puffy.

But yeah, it's

also, most importantly, there's a lot of things.

I haven't had any sugar since.

I haven't had any coffee since.

And I also haven't indulged in, you know, any

extracurricular activities ever since.

Are you back on solid food?

Yeah.

So on Friday, I did like a fruit cleanse, and then I ate a real dinner on Friday night.

So in three days without eating anything, and then I had like a bunch of oranges all day of Friday, and then we had kale salad Friday night, and then the weekend,

I ate like a normal person.

But like more than anything, it helps with cravings.

So it kind of cleanses your body body of like cravings for like sugar and anything you else might be slightly addicted to,

like caffeine or, you know, other stuff.

And I've been pretty clean ever since.

So yay, fool me.

Next, next headline is U.S.

Weekly source says, and it's Natalie.

Yeah,

I love how that turned into news in the midst of a

news in the midst of the city burning.

But once again, I'm not offering medical advice, but they also called it controversial

like fasting isn't controversial stupid people fast all the time for many different reasons fasting is very healthy for you again talk to your medical professional if you own i fasted without consent i think is something that we need fasting that is not okay yeah i had no consent gave no consent to to the fast that i was a part of i mean one night all i had was a cinnamon raisin english muffin Wow.

Anything on it?

Cream cheese.

You scared me.

Cream cheese.

Okay.

He wasn't going to the grocery grocery store either.

He wasn't.

He was not cooking, cheffing it up like he was a little bit of a drink.

I'll tell you what, though.

Daniel is telling herself short.

While she doesn't cook for us, she is an excellent cook for our daughter, River.

She makes the best girl dinners for River.

Like every meal, River has this little, cute little girl dinner, and it's got like a little protein, a little vegetable, a little, maybe some cottage cheese.

It's really, I mean, our daughter eats well.

She does.

That's honestly the only reason I was having any substance at all was because I was in fact having to cook forever and I was eating her leftovers and the stuff she didn't eat.

So thank God we have a kid or I don't know if I'd be standing today.

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In other news, Ellison Holker speaks out.

Honestly, this has gotten real messy.

I think people are leaking phone calls with her and like voice memos.

Friends of Stevens are on the phone with her.

I don't know.

It's tough.

And then Steven's stepdaughter, her first daughter that Stephen adopted, spoke out, which I guess my only response to that is I'm really sad that a 16-year-old has to be put into this.

I mean, maybe whether it's

her choice or not, but I feel uncomfortable that a 16-year-old is participating in this very public family drama.

That's really all I have to say about that.

I know she gave some explanations as to why she was, you know, she was very much defending her mom, but I don't know, man.

And in this leaked video, Allison is talking to, you know, allegedly a friend of Stevens, and she did not back down from making her his family sign an NDA.

I don't know.

Justin, you seem to understand it.

I don't understand it.

I just don't know how you make his mom sign an NDA.

I'm not talking about extended family.

I'm not talking about cousins or people you don't know.

And she didn't back down.

I just feel like the only way you make someone's mother whose son just passed away sign an NDA, either like they're not close at all, or you're out of touch.

I don't know.

It just.

I don't know if understand's the right word for me, but I can see that I think there's two sides to this in the sense of once her daughter spoke out, it was very much like his family wasn't close to him.

There's all these people leaking headlines, saying things when like they weren't even around him when he was alive and aren't around him now.

And it's like she very much said that.

The NDAs were something that was agreed upon before he passed.

It was like every event they hosted, there was always NDAs.

That's a weird thing to say.

She asked them to sign him for parties, comparing a party to a funeral.

Well, she said the reason Allison had the NDA was because she didn't want people to be taking pictures of the body.

Like she, that was the one thing during this time that she didn't want headlines to be like publishing photos.

I mean, that totally makes sense.

And I think that's valid for sure for everyone.

You know, for, yeah, for everyone but his mom.

If she wants to take a photo of her son in a casket, she should have every right.

And like, I don't know, like her daughter speaking out, I'm assuming she is just speaking the rhetoric of her mom.

Like, I don't know.

It's just.

Oh, she's obviously going to want to support her mom when her mom's going through a time.

I do want to, I want to clarify, too.

She said that not everybody signed the NDA.

So it wasn't like...

She asked everyone to sign the NDA.

She asked everyone to...

Her mom was lenient because she understood that it was like

the situation with someone lost their life.

It wasn't, she was forcing people is what the daughter said.

Has his mom said anything?

His mom did speak out like before Allison apologized and before

her daughter spoke out.

What did she say?

Our family is absolutely appalled by the misleading and hurtful claims made about my son, Stephen Boss.

The recent publication spreading untruths about Stephen has crossed every line of decency.

As his mother, I will not let these accusations go unanswered.

We will not stand by while his name and legacy are tarnished.

He doesn't deserve this, and the kids don't deserve this.

For the last two years, I have remained quiet and away from the public, I to protect my family.

My primary focus has been on healing and attempting to remain connected to my grandchildren, but when I read these dreadful claims about my baby, our beloved Stephen, I realized I could no longer stay silent.

Our family will ensure his name and memory are protected, and we are committed to defending his honor, signed, Connie Boss Alexander.

I mean, just fame affects people in in all sorts of different ways and it's just a weird thing but I do know Austin's apology included like promoting her book and the foundation that she started to so I know people are criticizing that as well.

Aren't all proceeds of the book going to like a charity

to her foundation that she runs, which I don't know.

It's just it doesn't not still create questions.

Yes.

At best, it just gives a little bit out of touch, you know?

It gives like you don't understand our world and this is why we did what we did, but he has passed.

I think there's like a very thin line of her

being able to share her story and share what she went through and give advice and help the people who are going through similar things.

And that very thin line, the other side of it is like outing your.

dead husband's demons and like

without the permission of anyone else and deciding that it's you know the buck stops with you.

It's just like, you know, obviously I don't know this family, but like, did his mom know that that happened to him as a kid, you know, or did she read it in your book?

Like, did people in his life know these things about him?

Or are you sharing it to them for the first time and they don't get to have any conversation with him about it?

And they just have to like deal with their lasting memory of him not be what they thought it was.

And now it's this like perception you've written about.

And we've talked about this.

We obviously have met Allison and have nothing but very positive experiences with Allison.

And I think it's safe to say that she had the best intentions, but we know that sometimes you can have the best intentions and still deserve criticism.

And sometimes you can have the best intentions and you can still like reflect and maybe acknowledge that like you could have done things differently.

The hardest part for me was listening to that leaked video and have her at the end very steadfast or very kind of like defiant being like, I would do it again over and over and over, referencing asking his mom to sign an NDA.

And I just like, in what world at this point, could you not just say, hey, maybe that wasn't the best choice?

I mean, in that same video, she talked about how people have praised her for how she's handled this.

And I don't know who they is.

I'm assuming she's talking about the internet or like her agents or friends.

I don't know, but like, certainly none of Steven's family is praising her for how she's handled this.

And I think, close or not, like, that's not an excuse to not be considerate to how this is affecting people outside of her world.

It's a tough story.

And I hate that it's happened for this family.

I hate that it's happened for Allison and her family.

And I hate that her 16-year-old daughter is forced into this drama.

It's a tough situation.

It's also a tough situation because Rachel Lindsay has to pay her ex, Brian, $500 in $500,000.

We wish.

We wish.

Y'all know I'm not good at math.

$500,000 in the divorce and how they'll split.

This is my favorite part.

How they'll split their homes, jewelry, and Honda Accord.

He's getting the thumbnail according.

Just fucking give him the Honda Accord.

Yeah.

She could love that Honda Accord.

I think he got the Honda Accord.

I feel like Rachel put that in there on purpose, the Honda Accord.

Yeah.

Just so you know, after we're divorced, he's driving a Honda Accord.

The couple's vehicles will also be split between them with Abasolo taking the 2021 Honda Accord while Lindsey takes the 2023 Porsche McConnell.

Get it, bitch.

Should we go through it?

So basically, he'll get the Miami condo.

She's going to get the LA home in North Hollywood.

Both of them are keeping their wedding bands and watches, presumably gifts that they gave to each other.

She'll keep the engagement ring and paintings from the bachelorette.

And then basically, per the settlement, the $39,771 she has already paid to her ex-husband, his spousal support will be deducted from the payment, which is the $500,000, leaving Lindsay with a total of $460,229 owed to him.

And the first half of the payment, which is $230,114.50,

must be paid to him by january 17th.

wow that's so quick man i mean it is what it is i guess i don't know it's a lot of money he did also waive his right to any further spousal support so he was like you know what this 500k is good thanks

this is why it's rumored that um noah bomb back greta gerwig's husband made madagascar because he was going through a divorce was the one he made madagas i know i know it's just like funny

it's funny when like people i'm gonna make this madagascar movie

and then like box off his fucking hit.

Yeah.

Collapse.

It's like, it's, I think it might have been Madagascar 3.

I don't remember.

But it's just funny because people talk in context.

Yeah, it did.

It's funny because people talk about the like dumb stuff people will do to like pay off their divorce.

But then to see the numbers right up front of you and see the timeframe, you're like, oh, yeah.

I'd make Madagascar 3 too.

I would make Madagascar 3 too.

And Rachel Lindsay, whatever you need to do, I'm going to support you in doing that.

Well, speaking of poorly timed clapback, Zach Bryan finally decided to speak out

amidst the breakup between him and Brianna I think it was valid I think this was valid timing I think this is what fire oh I mean he what he doesn't live in California he's not like he referenced the fire

he referenced the fire he's just using a lot of words that are just like PR trainer stuff all I'm saying is he's I think he's doing what everyone does when people like you just did of like well picking up press about my fast there's bigger things going on in the world like yeah it's like let's focus on the more important things in the world and not like these people on TikTok are doing deep fucking dives on every person that Zach is like in a room with.

And these are from his words, his friends, his friends of years.

And they're stalking these people.

They're commenting on these people.

They're making these viral videos being like, this fucking whore.

She's like, whatever, whatever, whatever.

And she's with Zach and she's doing this.

And this is his new girlfriend.

And she's ugly and she's fat and she's stupid and she's dumb.

And she's, and he's like, these are my friends.

Like these have been my friends for 20 years or however long.

And he's like, like, leave my friends alone.

Like, you can hate me all you want, but leave my friends alone.

And I think he's valid in it.

Isn't this still related to the Brianna breakup?

Or is there, oh, so these are just fake.

Well, he was very silent, kind of almost shockingly silent.

Like, just she was out there saying he did this, he did that, blah, blah, blah.

And he was out there posting like.

My dog in my truck.

Yeah, just like, nothing's going on, you know, which I think a lot of people found triggering.

And then, you know, as Nellie pointed out, I didn't realize realize that was going on.

The internet was toxic.

He did.

Yeah.

This didn't just come out of nowhere where he's like, all right, it's finally my time to address it.

Yeah.

Or like, here's my five-story posts.

And that was their new heading.

It was crazy.

I mean, it was on my TikTok timeline where I'm like, these people are mean.

What stuck out to me was whether you think I suck or not stop being such a sad and fat-fingered internet sleuth to my friends.

Fat-fingered is very.

That's a drag.

That's a deep, deep cut drag.

He was just choosing words that I'm like, I feel like we got to PR train this a little more, but you're clearly clearly passionate about defending your friends clearly passionate about defending his you are a songwriter he is certainly typing he is protecting his friends but did not want to protect his girlfriend at the time which you know i feel like the best thing to do in these situations is like let's say okay for the zach bryan thing he does this it's shitty stop talking about him Don't give him the spotlight.

Don't give him the time of day.

They're not spotting.

Like, that's the way to do it.

That's like the way.

Don't like give him more attention after this.

Let him fade off and then like write his sad little songs about it yeah they'll never get that that's what's so confusing i'm like is that brianna's moved on so i'm like why are you guys still so focused on him i don't know if she's moved on she posted a video with a new guy oh maybe maybe like physically talking about it she has yeah we're i mean there's we're still doing podcast episodes on it at this point she is still talking about it okay at the golden globes on the red carpet so i take back what i said it's just not on my algorithm at the globes at the globes she's also still being asked about it also

That is true.

But there's a way to answer where you, you know, seem like, okay, I've moved on.

I don't give a fuck anymore.

I'm not letting him control my life anymore.

And

she had a response of like, I want a new boyfriend that has hair and height and is not, you know,

she's allowed.

I did see that.

She's still digging.

She's definitely not taking the high road.

She doesn't have to take the high road.

No, she absolutely does not.

But she is feeling, she is feeling the fire and she is not choosing peace.

And, you know, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, but like, you know, at this point, you know, it's

his friends being harassed is like, that's, that crosses a lot of lines.

Yeah, it was really normal.

It was really normal.

I feel like Brianna has said what she needed to say.

And at this point, if she is saying more, it's, you know, it's hard not to assume she's capitalizing on said breakup.

Yeah.

Do you think her dad thinks that she's going to be okay in the breakup?

Because Tom Holland's dad.

I was like, I actually don't know anything about

her dad.

He's never heard him.

Tom Holland's dad is confident actors' relationship with Zendaya will last despite the strain of, quote, combined stardom.

As he should.

He said this on his Patreon.

He has a

Tom Holland.

That's the funniest thing to me.

I don't know what the Patreon is or what they sell, but like.

He's working.

If I'm Tommy Spider-Man, I'm going to be like, dad, I got you.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Maybe this isn't.

Okay, but Patreon, maybe he has like a passion project that he's working on that, like, you know, he wants to make, he wants to be independent of his son financially.

That still requires an answer to

him.

Maybe he's excited.

Listen.

He said, okay, well, he said, I do fret that their combined stardom will amplify their spotlight and the commensurate demands on them, and yet they continually confound me by handling everything with a plom.

What are these words?

He's British.

Show business is a messy place for relationships, and particularly so for famous couples as they crash and burn in public and are too numerous to mention.

With Nikki homing this family and my wisdom on tap and a study in getting things mostly wrong and yet somehow right at the same time, I am completely confident they will make a successful union.

He could have been like, listen,

I'm Team Tom and Zendaya.

They love each other.

If my parents started a Patreon, that would give me the greatest amount of anxiety.

So props to Tom for even being able to be okay with that.

Props to Tom's dad for using the word aplom.

There you go.

I love it.

And also props to Tom Sandoval for hiring a lawyer again.

For his own sake.

For his own sake.

I wonder if he had one law meeting where he was like, I'm fucked.

I gotta hire something, you know, like one court hearing.

Well, he just kept probably saying, object.

And they said, that doesn't apply here.

Yeah.

Do you think it's because he's on this like rebrand tour with traders?

I don't know.

That he's trying to rehabilitate his image.

How is his image on traders?

I don't know, but it's Tom's logic.

I don't know if there's a rebrand.

Tom is consistent.

Well, you know who we could ask?

Dorinda Medley.

Dorinda.

She did spend some time with him.

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Durinda!

So excited to have you on the show.

How are you doing?

I'm good.

I'm good.

Let me put a little light on here because I'll be honest with you, I didn't, I didn't, you know, Mondays for me at this point in my life are just an extended weekend.

I don't even really acknowledge Mondays.

I just keep flowing right into the weekend.

Tuesdays are when life starts for me now.

Dorinda, I just, right off the bat, I just want to say I aspire to be able to have that life someday.

So thank you for that goal.

Well, I've earned it, believe me.

You're married to something.

You have to also take on the years of aging.

So that's the only, nothing comes for free.

Well, you look great, if I may say so.

Thank you.

Well, we're, well, first of all, we're just like, we're so happy you're here, but so devastated, as is all of Bravo Nation.

I know.

I want to hear, I'm going to give you a couple of secrets.

I don't read any comments and I didn't even watch the,

when I was on Housewise, I never watched it until the reunion because I just, I, as a Catholic, I prefer to live in denial.

It's worked very well.

Yeah, no,

I was also raised Catholic.

I also don't read comments.

So maybe that's where it comes from.

Yeah, we love that.

The good news is I have a ton of friends from the the LBGTQ

world and all my friends at NBC and all my, you know, people that reach out to me that send me endless.

It's really become, you know, I said, I, you know, obviously I was devastated when it happened and completely taken aback because I didn't even think I was there long enough to be disliked, right?

Because we were just starting and I had the wardrobe.

I had the strategy.

I read art of war.

My daughter had written tons of instruction books, you know, and everything to do.

I mean, I was ready.

And to tell you the truth, the woman that killed me, I don't, I think I said good morning to her maybe twice.

I think it's you're because you're a star.

I mean,

I think you're the brightest star in the room.

Well, I think

that early, I don't know.

I think I don't know why people made the decisions that did you ever hear why you got voted off from the traders?

You know, I do think a little bit, and I don't know if this is true, so it's just my opinion.

But, well, first of all, I, for some reason, I thought the Vile Files was Vicki's podcast.

They told me.

That's okay.

Who's going to be on the podcast?

Oh, Vicki Gondo.

Vicki wants me to be on their podcast?

That seems like an odd pairing, but okay, why not?

You know?

Yeah, well, that's great.

That's great.

Thank you for putting us on the map, Vicki.

She did.

I mean, wow.

It means nothing coming from me because, you know,

I'm not a big podcaster because, you know, I'm radio.

I'm serious like Sam.

So we're radio people over here.

No, I'm kidding you.

No, listen, I've been thinking about it a lot.

It was so weird because, you know, we are in such secrecy, not only when you get murdered, but you have to, you know, before you leave the castle, you're sort of escorted to another place and you live in isolation there.

And, you know, you have to, they make it very clear that you cannot let any, they, you know, they announced the cast early this year.

Yeah.

So everyone knew where we were.

So I basically came back to JFK in like cloak and dagger and slithered back to bluestone banner and like dug a hole and stayed there until they finished filming because i didn't want to ruin it for everyone so you have you kind of have to live in hiding for the period in which they're filming is that i mean more or less because you don't want to you know once they announce the cast if they see me wandering around birddorf goodman i mean it take doesn't take much to put two and two together during the mental he's not in scotland right yeah so i wanted to really keep the integrity for the rest of the players i mean when you're in it it's very very serious which i loved you know, and I thought was great the way they, the production company over there, they're fantastic.

But I don't think they have, and I may be wrong, and I hope I don't get in trouble saying this, but, you know, it started off as much more of like a UK thing where they just pick random people and bring them together and let the games begin.

And I think now that it's conjoined with NBC and they're picking people that.

Maybe they have a preconceived conception about who the person is.

Maybe, you know, I think it, I don't know for sure, but, but you know that can maybe cause people to make a decision prematurely would be my guess because i wasn't there long enough to do anything terrible i mean listen i can take full responsibility for all of my antics on housewives i've done them i said them i you know lived them but um

i'm just sad that no one got to see my wardrobe i had a amazing well i was wondering about that because so much about traders really has become this almost this fashion show really it's i mean everyone's very well dressed dressed, it's great style.

Everyone kind of has their own taste on, you know, what the appropriate tire is for being in a castle and squad.

Well, even that's divided.

I think that really is sort of the

definitely the housewives.

They're very fashion forward, but not so much the survivors.

You know, the survivors,

those are real people.

Like, you don't want to be stuck with them.

I mean, you do want to be stuck with them if you want to survive.

Yeah.

I mean, they are like search and kill.

You know what I mean?

I think one guy told me like 372 live snails in 45 days.

I was like, what?

You know, because i don't really i don't again i don't watch those shows so there it is very different so you know it's very different groupings and i do think you know the housewives are standouts you know there's a it's a really great cast it's me it was uh dolores ayan you know uh robin so

how can you say you don't have sort of a slight preconceived notion of I mean, I'm not known to be the quietest of the group.

Well, it really seemed like the housewives in general had a bit of a target on their back.

Ayan, like you said, she also got voted off early.

I feel like they target housewives every season.

I think one of the reasons why people have me come on most things is for content, right?

I don't know if at the end of the day, I am a great game player, right?

But I do say they missed out on a lot of great content, right?

I'm sad.

Because even watching Dolores and I on the raft,

it was hysterical, right?

Oh my God, y'all realizing in real time

you had a target,

but I have endless memes already.

You know, so that's what I feel.

You know, they, they, they, you know, they hire you, they pay you this paycheck that you want to give them content, right?

How long were you sitting on those rafts before they picked you up?

It was long.

Like, and you know, you can see on my face the realization.

It's so funny because when I saw Dolores, you know, I'm so connected to my housewife girls.

We're like the mafia that when Dolores was on that raft, I didn't even care or listen to what the consequences were.

I was just like, well, I'm getting off the raft being with Dolores.

So it was a real loyalty jump.

So what I, we realized on the raft that we're like, wait a second.

It was so funny.

You could actually see the realizations on it.

Yeah.

I even thought then, well, if this is it, at least I'm leaving doing something loyal.

I'd rather die with a loyal badge on my back than a betrayer's badge.

Exactly.

For the people you got to meet while you were there, were there any standouts or any people that you think might go the distance?

It's just hard to tell because it was so early on.

You know, I really think these gamers really know what they're doing.

You know, we don't know anything either.

I mean, they keep it very quiet up until like the show.

I mean, they are, it is.

There's like a bounty on your head.

So you're petrified to even say the word traitor.

I mean, and I, I take things like that very seriously.

Like, if you need me to follow, I'm a rule follower, you know what I mean?

So, I think people that are very good at holding their cards to their chests, it's going to be an interesting season.

I mean, I'm going to watch it and enjoy it.

I will say, as I said to Hannah the other day, if you're going to leave, I think the best way to leave is the way I did right at the beginning because it's caused such chaos that if I left four or five episodes in, it may not have caused as much chaos.

There you go.

Everyone was just

rise last night, this the gay bar in Ninth Avenue, and boy, it was a, I was like, wow.

Like, people are really outraged.

Well, I mean, you know, you, you, you are, are a star.

You've been a star on this network for a long time.

We haven't had the pleasure of seeing you in a minute.

We all get excited that you get casted on.

Everyone's tuning in.

And then you're gone.

It's like.

And you know, it was so weird because they, it was, you know, I had to carry this for six months now, right?

And then when the promos came out, they had me in all these promos.

And I'm thinking, they're making it worse.

Oh, yeah.

They're making it worse.

You know, they're they're doing the promos.

They're doing the things on Instagram.

Did you see Bob the Drag Queen's response to kind of all the hate about you leaving?

Well, you know what's so interesting?

I just got sent that this morning.

And it's so funny because I guess he said something like, I'm causing all kinds of chaos.

I really haven't.

I've been like very quiet about it.

We just love you that much.

We're causing a riot.

That's just fancy.

Didn't he say something like,

and I guess she's causing chaos about it?

Did he say that in the article?

Well, I don't know if he accused you or anything, but I mean, mean, fans, you know,

I have it.

Okay, yeah, let us know.

She's causing a scene.

Causing a scene.

I don't know what I mean.

You're not doing anything.

No, I haven't done it.

You're just so fantastic.

Today, I did an Instagram and said, hey, listen, so as you know, I'm murdered and it is what it is.

And let's just enjoy the rest, you know, enjoy the rest of the season.

With it, that is all I've said.

I've been showing all I've had on my Instagram is parsley, me cooking, you know, back.

There's no seeing me in cone that because I think my theory in life is sort of silence is the best it makes it worse if you say something because you know I'll protest too much well I mean like you said you don't read comments and you know and and fans are fanatic and this show they love to like use the word murder in a weird kind of literal kind of way and they take it very seriously and I don't doubt that many of your fans are

i'm less offended by getting murdered than i am offended by him saying i have no idea who this icon is

right now wait a second now i'm offended not why

i was honestly shocked that bob didn't know it's crazy i mean i said well i mean the good news is he referred to me as an icon which is great so that's great so he kind of answered his own question and second of all to tell you the truth i didn't know who he was i mean even now you did think this was vicky's podcast so there is that.

You didn't know Bob.

You didn't know Bob Falls.

You didn't know.

But

I wasn't there long enough to really get to know no one.

It's not like we're hanging out, you know, after we film.

We're not all hanging out together.

We really are back in our rooms until you film again.

I have a very important question.

As someone who's been asked to do this show before, how is the food there?

Here's a funny thing.

You know, my first husband was Scottish.

So I spent many, many, and I lived in London 10 years.

So I spent, oh my God, at least once, if not twice a month in Scotland.

So my daughter's half Scottish.

So I knew what to expect.

And I kind of like that kind of food, but it's, it's, it's like,

it's like Scottish food.

It's not gourmet.

Yeah.

The thing that really surprised me the most is, and I didn't count, even though Fader told me, I thought, oh, it's June.

It was cold.

Really?

It's cold.

Because the thing about Scotland is it's a different type of cold.

it's a very dark cold so even you know it's just that even when it rains in scotland like in london when i lived in london it would rain up here in scotland it like rains in front of your face there's something

chilly about scotland and being in that castle like i was cold at what point did you figure out who the traitors were i learned that because they take you what they do is they take you away and then they interview you right and talk to you and then they let you know i would have never have guessed it in a moment

who did you did you have any ideas from the time that you were there?

I thought Sanderval would be a traitor.

I know it's obvious, but I thought that they would do it because it was obvious because sometimes they do that.

And I thought that the girl, what's her name?

The girl from the wrestling.

Nick Nikki.

I think

Sanderval would reveal himself.

You know, I know Tom.

Maybe I just pegged him as a traitor before he even got on.

Yeah, what did you think of Tom?

You know, this is what I say about Tom.

Again, don't know him that well, but he's exactly as I expected.

And I'm always happy when characters are exactly as you know.

I think one of the best compliments I always get when people meet me, they're like, There, we're exactly like I thought you would be.

So, he was exactly like I thought he would be.

I mean, I wouldn't date him, but you know,

but he is exactly the way you would think him to be.

There really are no surprises with Tom, he is very transparent, he's transparent, he's sweaty.

You know what you're getting with Tom.

I don't know how anyone can ever act surprised.

He's very, uh, you know, he's not, I didn't realize that he's in his 40s because he has a very sort of like childlike

the way he responds and reacts to things.

It's very childlike, right?

Yeah, yeah, he's

kind of living in Neverland in a little bit.

Yeah, I guess.

Well, yeah.

How sad is that whole thing in Neverland and La La Land?

I mean, well, we are here.

Yeah, it's devastating.

Oh, my God, you're in LA.

Oh, God, I'm supposed to know that as well.

How are your homes and your families and your pets?

Thankfully, we are okay.

You know, I feel so terrible for the people that lost their homes and stuff, but

these

animals and stuff, it's doing me in.

Did you see the video of the horse that ran back to get the other two horses?

Oh,

balled my eyes out, too.

And then I saw a good video of the grizzly bear over her two cups.

One of the people who have really kind of popped this season is Dylan,

Zach Efron's brother.

Did you get a chance to get to know him at all?

A little bit.

You know, the one who I really,

this is a funny story so britney spares ex was there yeah

i again i didn't know who it was because we really didn't see him with britney spears right and i mean i turned it on you'll see her instagram and she's dancing around in a bikini and you're like okay next you know what i mean so you know i never went that deep with this so i'm talking to this guy and um i think who's the girl bridget i think her name from big brother Brittany.

Brittany.

Britney.

So I'm talking to this guy at breakfast and this.

And I said, well, tell me about your story.

He goes, well, I just got divorced.

I was like, oh, you're young.

You know, you'll get, you'll get over it.

Like, are you guys friends?

He's like, well, you know, she's, I said, she and is she a model too?

And I'm talking away, talking away.

And I said, well, don't worry about it.

You're, I'm sure you'll be fine as long as you stay, try to stay friends with your ex and, you know, just take a little time off.

And I turn and I'm going to, going back up to the buffet to get something to eat.

She goes, That's Britney Spears' husband.

I'm like, what?

Because

I didn't put two and two together.

He's very young.

How old is he?

Do you know?

I don't know.

I don't know if he's young in age.

He's just sort of young in spirit.

You know what I mean?

But I think she is.

30?

Okay, yeah.

I wonder if him and Tom became friends.

I could see that happening.

Maybe, but he's such a nice guy.

Very sweet, nice.

She's 45.

But I was trying to give him, can you imagine I'm trying to give him some life advice

in a motherly way about going through a divorce?

And meanwhile,

you know,

stars stars need, you know, relationship advice too.

It's a help to mother.

That's the problem.

Well, as a mother, how did you feel that all of the all of the other castmates ate without

you on the raft and left you there?

That was terrible.

I was so mad.

I had to promise Hannah I wouldn't get mad about anything, but that lasted about one episode.

It was just, I just thought the whole thing reeked of misogyny.

They're just trying to kick all the ladies off into the rafts.

At the end of the day, it was the housewives that were really loyal to each other.

Like when you look at all the rafts, it was like, just, yeah,

just women supporting women.

What can I say?

Well, exactly.

Have you talked to your friend Luann in a while?

Yes,

I talked to Luann quite a bit.

I talked to Ramona quite a bit.

Wonderful.

I don't talk to Sonia as much because she's on her whole.

whatever it's called, her stand-up cabaret thing.

I moved to Florida.

But yes, I talked to Luann.

You know, Luann and Sonia and all of us have been friends a very, very, very, very long time.

That's amazing.

Right now, Luann's name is getting thrown around in Southern hospitality.

I'm not sure if you're aware about this because she allegedly

did.

Luann spill any tea?

Do we know if she did they, didn't they?

Like, did they?

You know, Luann is Luann is the art of just A, not ever answering the question, and B, being very, you know, like she,

Luann doesn't care, I don't think.

That's the great thing about Luann.

She's, she's probably thrilled that they're throwing her name around.

Yeah.

I mean, I mean,

you know, I hope she got some.

It takes two to tango.

So I mean, I hope they did.

Luann's not married, you know, so neither is Joe.

Look, I got my Nat Welbitch glass.

I swear to God, that wasn't planned.

Awesome.

That's so funny.

Were there anyone that you were hoping maybe other housewives from New York would be on traders with you?

No.

You said, I got it.

No, I thought, I think it's always fun to meet new people.

You know what I mean?

I think one's enough.

I think some of the other housewives would make great housewives.

I mean, make great traders.

Like who?

Well, someone was saying the other day that, you know, they thought Kelly Bensmond would be a great trader because she's so wacky and fun that you like, you never, she's sort of a, you wouldn't expect it.

A while ago.

Because Kelly's actually very smart.

Yeah.

I think Luanne would be a great trader, although I don't know if she could stand, you know, being isolated and not singing for three weeks.

That would be very difficult.

Well, I mean, she could still sing.

Around the house.

who was i thinking about the other day that oh i think teresa would make a great trader oh yeah teresa yeah vicky shannon yeah they both make a good

i think you know a lot of the housewife would make good traders yeah i think so too they bring a lot of you know color and zest to the show i think it gets people excited makes great tv it's a shame i mean someone said to me the other day would you go back and if they asked you to come back again i said oh my god i'd absolutely go back that was my question okay what's what's next for you do you think we might get a chance to see you on uh maybe like a trip right now i don't think they're doing any of the girls trips but i you know i do my serious xm radio show which i love doing and i you know we're just sort of finalizing all the details to the um bluestow manor um when's that going to happen we're shooting to start filming hopefully in june

so that's moving right along i'm rooting for it because honestly vanderpump villa was an absolute trash bag of a show well i think that I think the great news is it stayed in the family.

You know what?

Peacock is the one that I'm working with.

They picked it up.

And the great thing about Peacock and booster mind, there's no learning curve.

We already have the audience, right?

And I think Vanderpump Villa may be going to Hulu.

It's just so hard to recreate the audience, right?

Yeah.

It also just wasn't good.

I never watched it.

I'm hoping for a Roni OG reboot, and I need to see you on my TV as much as possible.

You know what?

I think we have to let that ghost go as well.

It hurt.

I think we got to keep moving.

I just don't see that happening.

I think, you know, they've committed to these girls and

you know, they're, they're going to, what do you guys think of it?

Like, are you?

We were.

And then we stopped.

We tried.

I love Jenna.

Yeah, we know.

Mary loves Jenna, but everyone loves Jenna.

But we don't love Jenna on TV.

I don't, at least.

They're boring.

Well, I just feel like they don't.

Listen,

I don't want,

as I say on everyone, because everyone asks you, the crown was heavy, right?

And the thing that was great about the girls is they were very,

we were very transparent.

I mean, if we were living it, you were seeing it.

And I feel like, you know, they're much more protective.

And we don't really,

I don't feel, I feel because I have to cover it with reality checked on serious.

I don't know if you ever got to know them any better.

That's all the audience wants.

It doesn't even have to be great TV.

Just be authentic.

You know, even the scene with Dolores and I and the raft, nothing outrageous happened, but it's just where we were.

Right.

And I think when sometimes girls come, when the girls come on the show and they don't talk about their boyfriends, talk about their fiancés, talk about their life, don't want to talk about things.

Why are we on reality?

That's where I think they're losing the audience a little bit because they're probably individually very fun, but I think there's a much more,

maybe that's what reality TV is now.

They're much more aware of the camera than we ever were.

Absolutely.

Yeah, they seem like lovely people, and I'd love to be friends with all of them.

But I just very, very good looking.

Yes.

Wonderful.

Far more glamorous than we were ever.

Nonsense.

Oh, no, no.

That's true.

You know what they used to say to me before filming?

I used to watch Law and Order until they turned my mic on.

I would be laying on my bed and I'll never forget it.

Chris DeRosa would say to me, for God's sakes, at least brush the back of your hair.

Is that a dream?

I'm like seeing you today and then go back and watch Law and Order.

Oh, that's amazing.

Do we have?

Nobody cares what I look like.

Dorinda, thank you so much for taking the time.

We really appreciate it.

I was so excited when I saw, I didn't think I qualified for the biophiles.

Oh, well, I think you're being honored.

I'm very honored.

Next time you do make it out to LA, whether you have a press trip or you're just visiting, let us know.

We'd love to bring you into the studio.

Dorinda, you're absolutely the best.

We really appreciate you.

Enjoy the rest of your day, and hopefully, we'll talk soon.

All right.

Take care.

Thanks, Brian.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

Bye, Icon.

Oh, God.

Okay, now I got it.

Hang on.

God, I made that, huh?

Don't pull a Vicky.

Yeah, exactly.

Brian's like, what the hell's wrong with you?

You've got a podcast in five minutes.

I'm like, who has a podcast?

I don't know.

He's floating around here

making, let me just show you something, making all different forms of kale salads.

Oh, we love, how do you make your kale salad?

Well, I have the best recipe.

Oh, I don't know.

Okay, no, no, do because you know, kale can be very difficult if you don't do it correctly.

Yes.

So, first of all, I'll tell you quickly, because I know you guys got to go.

I destock it.

So, it's just, I take off just the finest leaves.

Yep.

Absolutely.

And then, what I do, I make a mixture of olive oil, squeezed lemon, and

pink salt.

And then I literally massage.

That's Nick's recipe.

Dorinda, we have the same recipe.

That's a Nick does.

Yeah, I make it once a week.

Right into

garlic.

Because I take a separate dish and I let that sit for 20 minutes so it softens the kale.

Then I take a separate little bowl and I put some blue stone and maple syrup

and French mustard.

Oh.

Mix that with a drop of rice vinegar.

Just a little bit.

Mix that.

And then I roast gabanzo beans with a little bit of onion powder, garlic powder, sea salt, a little aloe.

oil.

So they've got a little crunch.

And then what I do is I obviously put it all together in a bowl and then I just put a little more lemon and then I shave Parmesan cheese on top and I let it sit for about 30 minutes and then I just serve it with like whatever you want to serve.

I just served Tahanna with it.

Amazing.

I dot cake.

I put diced garlic in mine, Parmesan cheese, and then we will, we'll, we'll make some chicken cutlets and put a little chicken in it and have a little chicken kale salad.

Well, you know what this one needs?

It needs a draw.

I was saying it needs like a walnut.

I'm thinking about making a candied walnut next time and putting that in it.

Have you ever made a, I'll tell you the best candied walnut.

You take a walnut, you take a really good raspberry jam and really thin it, put it in a frying pan and toss it.

And then you let them dry and then you crunch them all up and it brings this kind of fruity walnut thing to salads.

Trenda,

let's do a cooking show together.

Let's cook.

All right, let's cook.

All right.

We'll see you in the kitchen.

All right.

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We love a housewife who doesn't know how to hang up.

Love a housewife.

Just love to win the house.

Which is the energy she brings.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, just like, it's such a different vibe.

Like, made for television.

Right?

Like, I need it.

Just absolutely, genuinely herself and made for TV.

Yeah.

No filter.

No.

Comfortable with who they are.

Yes.

Doesn't really care.

Say it.

Great energy.

As she says, she makes things nice.

Traders in general, really enjoying the first three episodes.

I don't know if you guys have all watched it.

I highly recommend you guys catch up on Traders.

It is very entertaining.

It's a good cast.

Like we mentioned, Wells Adams also was voted off.

I was shocked about that.

Disappointed.

Did you?

He didn't tell you anything?

I knew he got voted off.

I mean, it was like such a misunderstanding, and it happened so fast.

And it was like they were so neck and neck at the table.

He came for Robin.

He put an unnecessary slug on his back.

He just made the critical error of taking on Robin.

I don't know much about, you know, the strategy of traders other than like, if you come in with a reputation, don't add to it with coming in with a strong opinion early on.

Fly under the radar, make friends.

And that's why I'm shocked that Wells got voted off so early because if Wells is anything, he's affable, he's likable.

You know, he knows how to-he knows how to work a room.

He knows how to be everyone's friend.

So I was shocked.

It was so sad when Ion started crying.

I know.

I know.

She loved him.

Was it Dolores?

Oh, no, this is when Ion got voted off.

When Dolores like picked up her picture and was like, that's my friend.

She picked up Dorinda's too, yeah.

Yeah.

But when Wells got voted off and she was like, it was the only person I didn't talk to.

It was like a gift to me.

I will say I love Chanel Ayan, and she's a very emotional person.

Why are they all calling her Ayon?

I don't know.

Yeah, because I was confused about that.

Dubai is also owned by Peacock originally, and it was Chanel Ayan.

But like, they're saying Ayon Chanel.

It's very confusing.

Maybe she just

interchangeable.

It's

branding in a new country.

I will say her handle, like on Instagram, it just says Ion.

So maybe she just goes by both because her beauty brand is Ion Beauty.

So probably yeah, probably the name of her.

There we go.

There we go.

We figured it out.

She's branding herself.

Who do you guys think the best trader is?

Carolyn.

I think it's Carolyn.

It's definitely not Danielle.

I mean, this like crying and performing she's doing every morning.

I loved when Boston Rob was like, what the fuck is this bitch doing?

Oh my God.

Okay, so I don't know much about Survivor, but I saw a fan cam of Boston Rob when he was young.

The guy was hot.

Hot, yeah, he was drinking.

Boston Rob is a a heartthrob for sure.

I did not know that a man named Boston Rob could be a heartthrob.

Well, especially kind of showing up middle-aged-ish.

It looks fine.

Looks lovely.

Well, no, he's still heartbreaking.

He's still

swag.

Like, even the way that he can defend his backwards hat and his blazer.

He's like, I've been doing this since 82.

Like, I'm not changing now.

And I'm like, I love him.

I love you.

I did watch his Survivor season.

I was obsessed with him.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's got dreamy eyes.

Dylan, he's, well, first of all, he's the first one to identify a traitor.

He suspected Bob the drag queen was a traitor

for all the for all the right reasons.

Who suspected Danielle?

Was it Jeremy?

Jeremy, yeah, yeah, Jeremy, yeah.

So, we've got some people who are on the right track, and it is so funny to watch this show because obviously, we as the audience know everything, so to watch these people just be so wrong,

it's like you wanna like watching Gabby be like, it's gotta be Ivar.

It's gotta be Tony, Tony, it's gotta, it's just like,

Gabby's like, it's anyone but Bob, the drag queen.

It's like, but the thing is, like, even though Gabby's wrong, she's right.

No, she's not.

I have to say she is.

I'm representing the Bambi youths today because I was a big fan of them having little.

I want Gabby to win.

I'm rooting for Gabby.

We're all just dough-eyed and bambi-eyed and hot.

We're all just like really good-looking and best dressed.

And like, we're the funniest people in the world.

She's like, I love smoked salmon.

She's probably the smartest.

I love the little olive children.

I love Tony.

I love checking and goat cheese.

I love goat cheese and I love talking to Chicken.

I love her.

She's just a walking sound bite, and I love it so much.

Oh, my God.

Chriselle.

Oh, Chriselle.

She said, I was friends with your ex, and I don't trust you, bitch.

Oh my god.

Chris's such a TV pro.

She really is.

She's like, in case anyone forgot, she's like, I'm going to let everyone watching this show know that you cheated on your ex.

Yeah.

You're a dick.

Oh my God.

I don't like you.

Alan being like, and how would you feel to be betrayed, Tom?

It wouldn't feel very good.

What if?

I was like, yeah, and then Tom Sandoval reminded all of us that wearing gray in anxiety-ridden moments, not for the faint of heart, I mean, the sweatiest man.

He also had a cardigan that he chose to take off and then chose to leave it off.

He was so nervous.

Yeah.

He was so nervous.

Also, whenever he took off his blindfold at the beginning and Chris was like, you were giving me that fucking eyebrow off, eyebrow, eyebrow.

Like, you make anyone fucking nervous.

Yeah.

As soon as they took their headbands off, I looked across the room.

He's so good at TV, though.

I don't think we appreciate Tom Sandoval being on TV as much as people should.

I'm just going to say it.

Well, they brought Wes from the challenge.

I actually kind of enjoy watching him.

I like him more than Derek.

How could none of the faithful suspect that at least one of the newbies might be a traitor?

I don't understand.

Well, Derek did.

Derek said at least one of us is going to be a traitor.

Oh, so then why isn't he, you know, he's a gamer?

I don't know.

Well, he's probably keeping his money.

He's just not saying anything.

It's weird to me that

people wouldn't go against Boston Rob because there's a reason why you all don't want him on in the first place and they wouldn't let him in the house.

Like, he would be somebody that I would suspect because it would be like Durinda thought Sandoval.

It kind of seems like the obvious choice to make him a traitor, but it would be the fake out to think he was a faithful.

Watching the way he was working Tony in that round table.

Oh, that sent a chill when he left and he was like, You dirty.

You're a sellout, bro.

You're a sellout.

That like hurt my heart.

Oh, my gosh.

He's playing the game.

Yeah.

He is playing the game.

And for Bob's playing the game.

Bob's gaslighting of impeccable skills, I will say, was incredible.

The thing is, Dylan chose to go up against a housewife and a drag queen.

What are you expecting to do?

You don't have a chance.

I thought he did pretty well.

Bob opened for Madonna.

You think he cannot like gaslight a room?

I honestly don't think Bob's doing that great of a job, to be honest.

I think he's getting a little too cocky that he is a trader.

And I think traders have a bit of an advantage, right?

So they tend to go further.

And I think he's projecting a little bit of security in his position as a trader.

And he's, I don't know, he's just very, he's very loud.

He's very opinionated.

And I don't know how he isn't putting a target on himself.

I mean, I feel like that's exactly why Dorinda got voted off because she was loud and she was opinionated.

And they're like, what the fuck?

Let's get her out.

I think Dorinda got voted out because it was easy because of Ivor.

If Dorinda hadn't popped off on Ivor, then Dorinda would have stayed.

They're trying to frame Ivor.

But even Danielle that morning when she was like, hmm i hope it's not this person because if a traitor did this and i was like the only person that picked up on that was jeremy i think rob is going to sabotage bob connor thinks that too yeah

i think so too i think boss and rob is kind of like this is amateur hour and he's gonna be like bob the drag queen's too loud he's putting a target on all of us he already had to like sell out tony and he doesn't want to have to do that he's gonna he's gonna like he's gonna present as a faithful and get uh what i hate is that they're always like oh yeah and your name got thrown out and you're stop telling people whose names getting thrown out.

But that creates a lot of people.

But they're all trying to figure it out.

And I think Peter Weber said this when we interviewed him from last season.

Yeah, they have these competitions, but other than that, all they're doing all day long is just sitting around this castle talking and figuring it out and conspiring and just kind of hanging out and trying to figure out who's a faithful, who a trader is.

So they have, you know, that's, they're kind of forced to have these conversations.

So it is what it is.

But there's also that scene where they were all sitting in like the library.

There was a group of like five or six faithful sitting in the library and two traders walked in did like a head count Yeah, and then was like okay Bye and it's just like what are you guys paying attention to during the off time because I would think it'd be really weird if two people came in well Gabby almost caught them and they were in the well that could have Here's the thing about this show is like they're editing the hell out of it that Gabby thing had to have been like a She heard something she kept looking in

Who knows what she was hearing?

I thought Dylan made a really smart move because it's it's a weird thing because you don't want to you don't want to accuse anyone too early because you might put a target on your back.

I think it worked in Dylan's favor that Bob didn't get exiled because now, like, there's no way the traders are going to vote out Dylan.

Because if so, then that puts a huge target on Bob or Robin.

I mean, it's exactly why Danielle will not vote for Brittany because she's like, no, they'll know it's me.

I'm not doing that.

So you're Dylan.

I hope that he, like...

And kind of like he did, he had this like peace offering with Bob.

And I hope Dylan kind of flies under the radar for a bit and kind of backs off and befriends them but he still can't get voted off from the traders because that that will let them know who the trader traders that he's hot on their trail so it'll be it'll be interesting Dylan also has an advantage for not having really a reputation yeah because he's just like like everyone loves his brother you know like why not love him yeah he's very likable well the thing that could happen with Dylan is like the traders could kind of manipulate the roundtable into exiling him That's the way they would have to go about it.

That's true.

Yeah.

It's like tougher to do.

It is tougher to do, but without putting a target on them.

I mean, when Robin was like, well, you told me in Chanel last night, and where is she?

Convenient.

Should we get into Salt Lake City?

Yeah, certainly.

I feel like it was a really good episode.

Oh, my God.

Was it ever?

It was a really great episode.

I want to say I actually believe Brittany.

Come on, I do not believe her.

And I want to make my case if I can.

Okay, yeah, but

I will will say, before you make your case, Brittany absolutely deserves a snowflake.

Yes.

Yeah.

100%.

She's a distress.

She's the fact that, like, I forget that she doesn't have a snowflake.

And every time they, like, cut in and out of commercial and they show like all the ladies with the snowflakes.

And I'm like, wait, why?

Where is where the fuck is Brittany?

Her and Bronwyn are caring this season.

Oh, yeah.

Bronwyn kind of pissed me off.

Make your case.

My case is, so when they did the confessional, it was what, 24 seconds long.

Homegirl starts the recording and then instantly they start screaming and she looks away.

So in my head, I'm like, she's what?

She's saying she didn't know she was pressing it.

She's trying to end it.

So in her head, it's like she started a recording.

Maybe she was going to record the scenery, like she said, and then all these housewives start screaming.

Of course, I'm going to look and be like, oh, shoot, 20 seconds later, let me stop it.

Justin, her story changed from she was trying to record something out the window to trying to turn the camera.

She was

thinking.

So if you listen to it, she did record the scenery.

She did do the peace sign with Whitney.

So she did all of those little things.

And the second she got to the third one, it was like 20 seconds long.

She said, Well, I didn't know it was going to pick up

the audio of y'all arguing.

And it's like, but you knew it was going to pick up you being like, Good luck, sweetheart.

I love you.

To pick back off that, she also said it was a live photo.

So she's like, Sometimes it picks up audio, but she's literally pressing the record video button.

But you see her sit away from it.

You see her struggling to even stop and start it.

So it's like, oh, the girl did it.

Talk about, actually, that gives you, if you ever wanted to do this lesson learned, if you ever wanted to record your friends arguing, have your photo on live, and then start just rapidly taking pictures of the scenery in live mode because it does

record your audience.

What the fuck are you doing?

Why are you taking photos right now?

What you do are arguing?

I'd just be like, oh, you guys, you guys are annoying.

I'd just be taking pictures, just like,

and you get some audio.

Then you have to patch together a crazy amount of photos.

I think it'd be easier than you think.

I just wish she would have been like, oh my God, guys, I was just trying to talk some shit with Jared.

Like, I'm sorry.

I was just trying to be like, Jared, listen to these crazy bitches.

I believe it was innocent in the fact that, yes, she just wanted to gossip with her boyfriend.

I don't think she was being malicious.

What do you think she was doing?

I think she was being, she violated a central housewives code by doing that.

Sure, but I don't think, what I'm saying, I don't think it was malicious.

I don't think she was trying to send it to reality.

No, no, no.

She was not trying to send it to anyone.

She was trying to take a video of it so she could go back to her room, listen to what they were saying, and have exactly the receipts to say what like everyone was saying.

She wanted to gossip with her boyfriend.

Yes, but then it's also like you're relying on like the trust of the group that like all of what you're saying is like it's being recorded, but you don't, you're not going to be able to remember every single thing.

I don't think she's that strategic.

My take on it is like when Monica not to bring her back up last season at Bermuda, she had no chance to say a single thing because everybody was just screaming from different areas.

So like in this case, Brittany's in the Sprinter van.

Nine people are screaming at her.

She can only get one or two words out every single sentence.

So they're stringing together these like stories, but it's like she didn't even get a chance to say the story to begin with.

Well, she said four different ones.

Because everybody kept saying something.

So she's she's talking about her.

So she was like, oh, let me figure out a new one.

Hold on.

No, she's responding to every single thing every person's saying.

So it's like, it becomes this whole like.

I'm sending a video to my daughter.

I was just recording the scenery.

It was just the back of the seat.

It was actually.

Also, 24 seconds.

We're acting like it's the whole conversation.

24 seconds.

She said it was a second and a half.

Yeah.

Literally a second and a half.

First she said it was a second.

Then she said it was a second and a half.

Well, because they're saying

they're saying a whole conversation.

So in my head, a second and a half is 24 seconds, you know?

Yeah, but 24 seconds is when she got caught.

Also, how many of you guys have accidentally recorded videos?

Not me.

Not often.

Not while people are screaming around in my hand.

Maybe if it's in my back pocket.

I think you guys are just too strategic with your deleted, deleteds.

Oh, no.

The deleted, deleteds?

Listen, Meredith screaming, you are vile.

And if I had you in my home,

I was very triggered by Meredith constantly being like, you're vile.

We've had vital.

We're vile.

Pick a different word, Meredith.

What did she say?

She didn't say you can leave.

It was like, you have to leave.

Like, you have to go.

Mary being like, get her, Meredith.

Mary loved every minute of it.

It was was awesome.

God.

What did you think of the whole bit of like, is there a recording device in the room?

Incredible.

Funny.

Hilarious.

It's clearly a producer setup, I think.

Like, there's no way they were like, let's just act this out.

No.

Well, I think Meredith is that, like, to where she starts overthinking.

And she's like, wait a second, but I haven't heard anything from Heather.

And I have, so how would she have heard me?

And if I was standing here with a call, I do think Meredith thinks like that.

And I think Heather is so good at playing like Robin that she was like, oh, yeah, let's fucking look for it.

And that was the funniest scene ever.

Also, I think that confession

at dinner when Brittany's like, I have not been truthful.

The only thing I haven't been truthful about, and it's something

everyone's on the edge of their fucking feet.

I'm looking at Nick being like, Please, God, for the love of God, what is this gonna be?

And it's, I, come on, like, we know what you're doing, bitch.

You're changing the subject.

I literally looked at my roommate who was watching it with me, and I was like, if this bitch says she's sleeping with Jared or something.

no I immediately was like it's gonna be something about Jared when she first said it I was dumbfounded because I was like what does this have to do with Bernie it was a big confession and then yeah I think you have to acknowledge that for

a community that makes you they they would rather have you pretend that you're faithful with your religion and that you are devout and you are absent abstaining from sex or alcohol and things like that than but I do find it that I do find it hard that this is like her big secret.

And she's like finally being honest with the group when it's like, you've been drinking this whole time and you were like, don't bring alcohol to my house because my, and it's like, you're, it's on a national television show and you're like perfectly fine grabbing a margarita, getting a little drunk, talking about lingerie.

And like, I think Bronwyn said it nice where she's like, you have to let go of that guilt and stop blaming others.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or stop trying to

call her.

Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs.

Okay, Steve Jobs.

I know how to work an iPhone.

That That was awesome.

I got to say, Bronwyn kind of, she's losing me just a little bit.

No.

I think that that whole thing was a spin.

They showed her talking to Lisa, and it's very capable that somebody can address an issue that they personally have with another person and not involve the other.

She did say there was a conversation that happened that wasn't painting you in the best light.

But here's my side of it.

I'm not a fickle housewife fan.

Neither am I.

You know, just, you know, I have my people, and all I want is authenticity.

But she's got to pick someone to be authentic to and loyal to.

She's got to pick one.

Yeah.

Right now she's playing so many different sides.

She's getting her feet.

She's angry.

It's angry with her.

She's not getting her feet wet.

Her feet are soaking, sopping, wet.

And also, to be fair, in my defense of Bronwyn to you, I think that there is a part of her that really is trying to navigate this friendship with Lisa because Lisa really does mean something to her.

So I do think that she's making choices where then she has to stop breadcrumbing and setting up the other women.

Yes.

Talk shit about her.

Yes.

Because she comes to the table and she opens up this conversation of here's a safe space of like Lisa and how she hurt me.

And what do y'all think?

And what did y'all think of the situation?

No, she goes running right back to Lisa.

Knowing they'll talk shit about Lisa and then takes that back to Lisa.

But I'm like, is it breadcrumbing?

Where I'm like, the event just happened, she's upset, and Lisa clearly is not the friend that's coming to her aid.

And these people are that I'm like, at the end of the day, Heather, Whitney, all of them have fought to be best friends with Lisa as well.

So I'm like, they're not exactly alienated out of this, out of what Bronwyn's going through to where I'm like, yes, Bronwyn might have, it might seem like Bronwyn's being too-faced, but in my opinion, where I'm like, she's trying to gauge, is this normal?

Do you think Lisa, da-da-da?

And then they all came with her confirming that like, no, Lisa's like this, or Lisa didn't defend you, or whatever it is.

So maybe her getting her ducks in a row to go talk to Lisa is like, this is how I feel.

And it's not just me.

Getting some, how the other women feel and then taking it back to Lisa and being like, well, I don't appreciate how the conversation went.

It made me feel really gross what these women were saying about you.

It's like, come on.

It just felt a little little dirty.

I'm with Natalie.

I love Bromwyn, but how many

face quote-unquote conversations are you the center of?

There's so many.

There's so many.

I mean, that's like, I mean, and she loves to say she's transparent.

And it's like, she can be trans, I love that she's transparent, but I need her to pick someone

to be loyal to.

And I need, like, she's got to be able to have someone she can not talk shit about, but like have a conversation about another person and not that person not be like, fuck, is she about to go tell?

Like, she's got to make someone in this group feel safe to talk to.

browyan is radar online but she's by herself and lisa is her friend and she's not saying these women are lisa

saying these women are just now being nice to her after she confessed something about her relationship but she's been on an island or alone outside of lisa she was good friends with whitney and angie and then she turned on whitney and angie and told them and told lisa they were talking shit about her she did so

on their hike or whatever they don't think good friends and as i said whitney and angie decided to tell her things to sway her opinion of Lisa.

All I gotta say is thank God Browen is a little messy because between that and Brittany and her confessionals, I don't know how to do it.

And we also had drunk Heather who decided to drop a bomb on Meredith and be like, it's fine.

It was nothing.

And we just talked about how you were cheated and it's fine.

How you co-sign emotional relationships.

I re-watched it.

I re-watched it.

And that's like...

She does say we alluded to it, but then it's like Meredith took it and spun it into like something totally different.

That's what she does.

All she did was say like, you've been involved with it and like you like know what like uh emotions are or whatever like affairs but like she spun into like you say cosign affairs and my relationship and it's like nobody ever said any of that it was actually really funny too how she was trying to double check because she was offended by when heather said it in the cart and then she's like wait i need to double check are you confirming that broad win said and then heather's like no you're you're wrong and she's like what is happening

and then lisa just goes weapon weapon and i will give lisa i was like i don't know what it's like to be friends with lisa barlow but i have never seen so many women compete to be friends with somebody or like...

I don't know.

What is she?

Does she have shit on people?

She's either got to be the best time to hang around, but I've just never seen women go toe-to-toe to be Lisa's favorite.

To Lisa's credit,

people

are begging to be in her orbit.

You know, I'm the only one who has never begged to be in her orbit?

Me.

Well, no, Meredith.

Lisa had to beg Meredith to Meredith's orbit.

This is definitely true.

No,

the hot mic moment.

The hot mic moment.

In season two, Meredith was like done with Lisa, and lisa had to beg meredith to become her friend again uh speaking of friendship set that i absolutely thought was so touching uh mary and angie sharing that moment where she was helping her with her hair and how angie's like i'm the only one that knows what mary's going through i just want to make her feel good we see something in like the preview for the next for the finale and i'm so scared that it's angie telling the women like what happened.

I hope that's not what happened.

You know, it's like, it seems like there's some issue between Mary and Angie.

And it's like, Angie said, why are you pushing me away?

And Mary goes, because you hurt me.

Like, what did she do?

And I hope that's just out of context.

Please, please, please.

Do we know if Mary and Angie have been...

They've been at events together since.

Kathy Hilton's party.

Yeah, yeah.

I've heard of like interviews I've heard with Angie.

She loves Mary.

She talks extremely high of Mary.

The funniest thing is the beginning of Angie and Mary's.

friendship was last reunion when Andy asked Mary, who do you trust on this couch or feel welcome by?

And she goes, Angie.

Well, it's because Angie told her that she either had something in her teeth or something on her hair or something and helped her fix.

She goes, oh my God, thank you so much.

And then the next question was like, Angie's my favorite.

It doesn't take much for me.

But the whole season, Mary was like, don't sit next to me.

Who are you?

Stop talking to me.

Stop talking to me.

Stop asking me to come over there.

I don't know you.

What do we think of Whitney's new hair?

I love it.

I'm a fan.

I love the reason why.

She was really cute.

She dyed her hair red in solidarity with her daughter, who

gets made fun of.

Yeah, bullied in school.

Bullied in school for

me.

Yes.

That's why she did it that's like yeah she does look like the other whitney now but i love both of them that is true though uh secret lives of mormon wives no she doesn't well just the red whitneys ginger hair whitneys yeah in mormon culture she died her hair ginger she had like three hair colors in the this first season

so her husband had like five different takes should we quickly jump through southern hospitality and southern charm since they're kind of boring for special forces or special forces well special forces out and if you guys aren't watching it it's it's really entertaining stephen baldwin is an absolute hoot the first couple episodes uh he quickly goes home but i couldn't stop laughing the way he was trying to get the medic to be like you need to go home and he's like i don't know why you keep asking what was he even saying i was like i'm confused now too he was giving three different like health ailments as to like why he can't continue on but he wanted the medic to say but then he goes if you were paid to have a job next because you know he has it some some movie whatever

Some guest appearance on something that they're playing for.

I want to know if he got the gig that he claimed to have booked.

It is really sweet to watch it with Nick because he's very like

the whole time.

I was like, well, Nick did it.

It brings you back for sure.

I tell you what, this season, they're putting him through it.

It's very challenging.

You're saying he hasn't booked anything.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I was just like shaking my head no to I couldn't ever do that the way that I would like, sorry, send me home.

Also, props to Denise Richards.

Denise Richards is on it.

She is crushing it.

She jumped from a speeding boat onto a helicopter.

She cut it and then bungee jumped.

I mean, essentially, she bungee jumped and then like rappelled down.

I mean, like, she did some incredibly brave things.

And then we come to find out that when she was jumping from the speeding boat to the helicopter, she tore both her breast implants that she, I think, has since had surgery to repair, which she didn't even leave after that happened.

She, She continued on, still basically bungee jumped and rappelled down whatever the fuck, and put herself through some pretty rigorous stuff.

So props to Denise.

I know

she was the second one out, but I'll tell you what,

having gone through what those people went through, the fact that Denise

did what she did, I have mad respect for her.

She really has some guts.

I'm happy that she was on screen every two seconds.

Well, I mean, you're going to be usually when you're early out.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

You can't tell who's going to go for a while because you haven't seen much of them.

But we got Brody Jenner.

He's on it.

Cam Newton, star football player.

He's on it.

He's very interesting to watch.

Ali Fedatowski, she had to leave because of an injury.

So it's a really good cast.

Pink husband is on it.

Carrie Hart.

So, you know,

it's a wild cast.

I would also like to confirm that Stephen Baldwin does have a completed project and he's in production for another project and another one in development.

Booked and busy.

So busy.

Yeah.

He couldn't not turn his head left for these movies.

So let him go.

Can you say what they're called?

Go West is in production.

A Walking Miracle where he plays Pastor Paul is completed and Street Ball Game Over playing Mayor Livingston is in development.

Let's go.

Pastor Paul.

Get a Pastor Paul.

Southern Charm.

Man.

I think Paige makes the show a lot better.

Yeah.

I mean, sure, but she's not on the show.

I know.

And they're not even in a relationship anymore.

So that's a problem.

It's really just about the romance, I guess.

What is Sally doing?

Okay, so Sally was also, she's in season two of Southern Hospitality.

So like there's like this weird crossover that's happening, but and I get confused.

Sally's the one that works in like the hospitals.

Yes.

Sally's the one who showed up for The Bachelor for a hot second,

chickened out, like left immediately because she like just got out of an engagement, did the exact same thing on Bachelor in Paradise.

That seemed like more of a bit.

And now she's found her way on Southern Hospitality.

So she is

trying desperately to be on reality TV.

Well, and right now she's claiming that Gaston, which is Taylor's man, called her and said, don't keep my name in your mouth.

Well, hasn't she been talking a lot of shit about him?

Yeah.

So, but then we also see in a preview that she's saying that he was good in bed.

So it's like, maybe he's maybe he's right.

Watching a page, listen to all of this was really fun.

She was like, oh,

it was great.

Well, back actually, backtracking to sorry, to go back to Special Forces, also who is on the show is

the ex of Travis Kelsey.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

She had a good storyline so far.

I feel for her because I don't doubt that, you know, her big story is the internet bullies and people coming for her.

But she obviously is on the show because she was Travis Kelsey's ex, so it's kind of like a tricking before the egg shit.

You know, it's like, I don't know.

She's sad.

She's getting bullied, but she's also obviously taking advantage of the fact that was she an influencer before, though?

But like, she's not getting casted on the show if she's not Travis Kelsey.

Maybe, yeah.

Not maybe.

Well, but, yeah.

But she did make a point to say nice things about Taylor, so I'm just kind of like, at the end of the day.

I've met her quickly, and she's lovely, and I think she's going to do very well on the show, but it's, it's, she's in a tough spot because it's like, they're going to make her talk about it.

And I don't judge her for wanting to go on the show if she gets the opportunity, but like, it's...

She did have a quote, though, that was good where she was saying that it's like it's shitty to be reduced down to a headline where i'm just like doesn't matter what she's done before this obviously she is travis kelcey's ex but it's like at the end of the day she's travis kelcey's ex who's now with taylor swift and it's just like if she wants to make her own career or to like at least distance herself from it then i think you have to acknowledge it and then move on we know swifties can be vicious and they can be

quite scary yeah

anyways well i mean there wasn't much else to go about it we've got craig and austin taking a break I guess.

Not with Austin's blessing.

I mean, that's such a weird, it's such a weird, like...

It's giving grow up, Austin.

Well, it's also just giving, like, yeah, you grow up and, like, your interests don't align anymore.

Like, Craig doesn't want to go out and drink anymore.

Like, I think, I mean, having a baby, obviously, I think a lot of people struggle with like, oh, once I had a kid, I lost a lot of friends.

And I think like, wow, yeah, you lose friends because you're not, like, going to the club anymore and you're not, like, going out to dinner at 10 p.m.

because you have like a baby to take care of you know like you're not hanging out with those people anymore because those people are still doing those things but i also think it's like i mean for me it's like who's trying to invest into my child's life like those are the people i'm keeping around you know it's like it's not the casual acquaintances that like i hung out with here and there or got coffee with or whatever it's like who wants to be a part of my child's life and who do I want a part of my child's life?

And like, those are the friendships that are important to me now.

And so it's like, I can see how Craig is like, dude, we don't, I, we're not into the same shit anymore.

I don't want to go to a bar and get drunk anymore.

Like, I want to be at home.

I want to garden.

If you want to like go get a six pack of beer and come over to the backyard and like sit in a lawn chair while I garden, like let's do it.

But Austin's not interested in that.

It's just a weird thing for Austin to get mad at Craig for, you know?

It makes sense, but like Craig is the one growing and maturing and evolving.

Austin is resistant to that.

Austin, in my opinion, is kind of being like a succubus in the sense to where it's like, you want to bring Craig down to your level where you're at because it makes you feel comfortable, but you can't be happy for your friend for succeeding or making other choices.

Because, Because, you know, like when people outgrow you, it's hard to see the bigger picture.

But to be fair, I'm like, he didn't really outgrow him in the sense that he said he spends, what, two or three days minimum a week with this guy for a while.

I'm like more and more like in a metaphorical sense, you know, but he is outgrowing him.

Yeah.

As Craig evolves, they continue to have less in common.

Austin wants, doesn't want to change.

He's resistant to change.

He likes his life.

He's like, this is fun.

I'm getting paid from this TV show.

I don't need more.

I don't want to change.

Let's just keep the band together.

And Craig's like, I'm over it.

He's got, you know, he's invested in his girlfriend.

He wants to lean into that.

He sees Paige having a bunch of success.

You know, I imagine that

I imagine that motivates Craig.

Why is Craig going to the sperm bank again?

Is that just a bit?

Because he wanted to save his sperm in case something were to happen to him that if Paige decided she still wanted to have his kids.

Well, because Paige doesn't want to have kids now.

Yeah.

And he saw like a commercial or something about how someone got in a car wreck and then they weren't allowed.

They were like sterile.

Sounds like a bit.

Wow.

wow i think that's the type of like i think craig is a little bit neurotic in that way i think crazy's gonna be engaged in the next uh year and a half for sure he's gonna meet a lady and he's gonna fall deeply in love and he seems like he's ready to settle down i give it like christmas not this year he'll be engaged or like at least we'll know maybe new year's i feel like he's like and is it a southern charm castmate or is it no okay we do have the vibes like results well the packers lost so fuck that yeah so the steelers so the Steelers.

Who did we pick?

Oh, Washington won.

I won.

Washington.

Yeah, you won.

We lost.

So, yeah, Florida and Pittsburgh both lost, which sucks for me.

Life goes on.

Life goes on.

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