E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out

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Speaker 2 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and boy, is it good to be with you all back in the LA studio?

Speaker 3 We're happy to see you guys.

Speaker 2 Where we missed. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 It is nice talking to you face to face.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's nice touching you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So nice talking to you face to face. Zoom isn't.
Zoom dates aren't the same.

Speaker 3 It's just not the same, you know?

Speaker 4 It is, it is.

Speaker 3 It's not the same because there's a little bit of a lag, you know, with Zoom. So it's like, and I, oh, oh, no, go.

Speaker 3 Your turn.

Speaker 2 Okay, now you guys don't notice that on the RN because we clean it up.

Speaker 3 Oh, we kind of notice it because all of a sudden it's like, start talking and you go,

Speaker 2 sure.

Speaker 2 Well, it is good to be with you all. Coachella is finally in the books weekend two.
For those of you who are not familiar with Coachella?

Speaker 2 There's a lot. Yeah, I think there's a lot of people not familiar with Coachella.
For those of you who live peaceful, normal lives. Yeah.
For those of you who are under a rock,

Speaker 2 I feel like before I ever went.

Speaker 3 to Coachella, I knew what it was because I was on social media.

Speaker 2 Because you were in your formative years as a

Speaker 2 teen.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 I don't know how to dictate that.

Speaker 2 I didn't learn about Coachella. Yeah, like what? I don't know how to dig?

Speaker 2 I didn't learn about Coachella until I was like in my early 30s.

Speaker 3 That's because it just started.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, I think it started.

Speaker 2 It's been around for a long time. When did it start? Well, Coachella's been around for a long time, but Coachella started actually as like more of like a festival festival, a punk festival.

Speaker 2 It was like,

Speaker 2 yeah, it was cool. And now it's Coachella.

Speaker 3 October 9th and 10th of 1999. And it was like Beck, Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Underworld, Art of Noise.
Like,

Speaker 3 it was

Speaker 3 a rock show.

Speaker 2 Well, a mom of a five-year-old shuts down. Did she shut down critics?

Speaker 2 They always do. They slam.
They slam. Well, slam.
Shut back. Well, slam, slam.
You know, shut down

Speaker 2 is basically saying she won.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was about to say, I feel like you rarely shut down a critic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, even when you slam, they can slam you right back. Yeah, they can if you slam you back.
We've been accused of slamming people online constantly, but we've never been shutting people down. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, yeah.

Speaker 2 Take that note.

Speaker 2 How do you guys shut it? Anyways, what does she say?

Speaker 3 A mom of a five-year-old has been bringing her daughter to Coachella. She said this was her third year she's gone to Coachella.

Speaker 2 Her third year or her?

Speaker 3 She says it's her daughter's third year going.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Her third Coachella.

Speaker 3 And people are calling her like a bad mom for taking her daughter. to a festival, which I feel like is a weird thing to shame her about.
It's like, who knows if she's probably not staying all night.

Speaker 3 Like it's a day. It starts at what?

Speaker 2 Like 10 a.m.

Speaker 4 It starts really early.

Speaker 5 And she said, there's always good and bad. There was more good comments than bad.
But to me, it's like, okay, have you ever. been to Coachella.
Do you know that it's all ages?

Speaker 3 She said, honestly, this is the only festival I would bring her to. I wouldn't bring her to a rave event, EDC, no way, but I feel like Coachella is super safe.
You don't see people doing drugs.

Speaker 3 She's never asked me like, oh, what is that person doing? I don't see it myself. So I think it's safe.
Yeah. It's like there's bathrooms.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of food options there's a lot of room to like lay down if you want to like lay a blanket out take a little snooze in the sun like there are certainly worse environments to bring a child plus this mother is a really big benson boone fan so they're going to see benson boon it's not like they're going to see charlie xdx and watching people do poppers you know what i mean like benson boon like are you she's not going to be traumatized by

Speaker 3 no did y'all see the creator i love that about her did y'all see the creator of the apple dance is suing she's suing roblox over copyright yeah who's Roblox?

Speaker 4 Who's Roblox?

Speaker 3 Like that little Minecraft-y game, all the little kids are playing on the phones.

Speaker 2 I love Roblox personally.

Speaker 6 I don't play it anymore, but I've played it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.
And she's suing the game?

Speaker 2 Yeah. So in the game, users were able to purchase the dance as an emote for their virtual character, but her lawyers allege that the platform earned $123,000 from the featured edition.

Speaker 2 That seems like she should give it away. I think that's fair.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 As a platform powered by a community of creators, Roblox takes the protection of intellectual property very seriously and is committed to protecting intellectual property. How crazy?

Speaker 3 How crazy though that she just was on TikTok, made up a dance to this song, and now it's the most like known dance.

Speaker 2 Yeah, now Bo and Yang's doing it in the crowd.

Speaker 4 And Matt Rogers.

Speaker 2 And Matt Rogers and Celestian.

Speaker 3 It is crazy just doing putting anything on the internet could turn into something. Like she just made a dance.
How many people have made TikTok dances?

Speaker 3 Obviously, have gone viral, make money off of that, but like to put it in a game that's worth that much.

Speaker 2 Like no one would have thought. How often do you wash your sheets?

Speaker 3 Like once a week?

Speaker 2 Why? Is that bad? I don't have to. Are we judging me?

Speaker 7 How often are you washing your sheets?

Speaker 2 Me?

Speaker 3 Nick doesn't. Doesn't washing.

Speaker 2 Before I had a lady in my life, yes. You don't want to know.
Twice a year. Stop it.
Twice a year.

Speaker 2 Do you know, Natalie?

Speaker 3 Were you ever itchy?

Speaker 5 Natalie, did you know this?

Speaker 2 No, I did. Before you slept, I did not.

Speaker 3 Were you ever itchy?

Speaker 2 Maybe three times a year. Itchy? No, I'm always itchy.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Disgusting. Yeast infection.

Speaker 2 Do you have a yeast infection? You have a yeast.

Speaker 2 Drink some cranberry juice. Can men get yeast infections? Why are you asking me? Do I look like a doctor?

Speaker 5 They can, because you can get a yeast infection elsewhere on your body.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Yeah, it's just a lot of people.
Isn't that what they thought is? It's like

Speaker 2 you really want people to know this. Guys,

Speaker 2 you can get a yeast infection in your mouth. Just so you know.
This is disgusting. Why are we talking about that?

Speaker 2 Good morning. Yeah.
Yeah, what? Washi sheets, everywhere. Why did you bring that up? Washi sheets.

Speaker 2 Because half, according to new polls, 49.9%, not 50%, 49.9% of people wait at least one month before washing their bed sheets.

Speaker 3 I don't, I don't understand. No, the more, like, if I think about it too much, like my pillowcase.

Speaker 3 I have to wash at least my pillowcase if I can't get to like the full bed once a week. Like, I have to throw the pillowcases in.
Face oil, dirt, like just no. My dog sleeps on my bed.

Speaker 3 So I definitely wash my sheets every week.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I I woke up to vomit the other day. So, yep, I have to.

Speaker 3 Yeah, my dog threw up in bed at like five in the morning. It was the worst.
No,

Speaker 3 I've been home alone.

Speaker 2 So I was like, fuck you.

Speaker 3 Of course I have to clean this up by myself.

Speaker 2 We have a jam-packed episode lined up for you today. The ladies of Humble Bragg, Crystal Minkoff, and Cynthia Bailey will be joining us later.

Speaker 2 And before that, Ray Sani, stand-up comedian, Emmy-nominated TV writer, and Bravo Superfan is joining us as well to talk all things. Summer House, Little Bev Hills, put a bow on that.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure if Ray is watching Atlanta Housewives, but I'm sure she seems to watch it all. So we're excited to have her on.
But before we do, I watched a movie not too long ago.

Speaker 2 What movie did you watch? A Simple Favor, which I had never seen. You joined it by yourself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I watched it with my wife. Yeah.
We were there.

Speaker 3 He's like, I watched a movie. I'm like,

Speaker 2 had you seen it? You had seen it, though.

Speaker 2 I felt like I was really unprepared for this. Yeah.
Obviously, The Simple Favor 2 is it out yet? No. Like May 1st, it's coming out, starring Anna Kendricks and Blake Lively.
Who wrote it?

Speaker 2 Paul Feake directed. Writer of

Speaker 2 Bridesman. Bridesman.
Well, he didn't write Bridesman's. He didn't write Bridesman.

Speaker 2 He directed Brides. Did he write either of them? Let me see you who wrote.
Because the writing is the thing I'm most taken back. Do you have questions about? Let's see.
Who wrote A Simple Favorite?

Speaker 3 Paul Feak directed one of the best episodes of The Office, the dinner party.

Speaker 2 Well, it's adapted from a novel, A Simple Favor, and it was written by Jessica Scharzer. Okay.
Was the brother fucker in the original novel? Because that was jarring for me. I don't know.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Do you want to go back? The brother fucker?

Speaker 2 Well, it's... If I haven't seen the movie.
Have you not seen it? Have you seen it? I fell asleep through it. Spoiler alert.
She fucks her stepbrother.

Speaker 2 It's a really good movie, and it's like, it got a little bit of a mystery. you know, thriller, like a who'd done it, what's going on.

Speaker 2 It's, it's, and then in the sandwich right in the middle of this movie yeah anna kendrick's character you find out fucks her half-brother and maybe her kid might be her half-brother doesn't sound like such a simple favorite and and and they just kind of accept it as like not that weird in the movie and it's like i think it's supposed to be weird she's supposed to not be a good person Anna Kendrick's character?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.
But she comes off like mousy and like at first she's like one of the most likable people. And then as the movie goes on and on and on, you're like, oh my God, this person's atrocious.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I never want to meet this person in real life.

Speaker 2 Oh, my.

Speaker 2 It was disturbing. Was that what made the movie so popular?

Speaker 2 Was it the brother fucker?

Speaker 3 I honestly did not remember that at all. So it can't be.

Speaker 2 I thought it was Martinis.

Speaker 3 I thought it was Blake Lively's ties.

Speaker 2 The ties really did happen. And it was Phil from Shit's Creek.
Yeah. Yeah.
Played The Brother Fuck. The Brother.
The Brother Fucker.

Speaker 2 The Sister Fucker. Yeah.
It kind of, I mean, you romanticized it in a weird way. Wait, if you liked a simple favor, I have another movie recommendation for you.
You didn't like it.

Speaker 4 Well, you'll like this one more. It's giving Game of Thrones.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It was, I was just taking, I was like in the middle of being like, oh, this is a pretty good movie.

Speaker 2 I was just like, oh, oh, my God. Am I understanding this correctly? I was so taken back.

Speaker 2 Similar movie without the incest. Ingrid Goes West.
It's Aubrey Plaza and Elizabeth Olson. And Elizabeth Olson is like very like 2010s influencer, Coachella.
Like everyone loves her.

Speaker 2 Aubrey Plaza is like a psycho who like stalks her and tries to like take over her life. It's a really

Speaker 2 good. It's great.
That's all good. Love it.
I just, I was just alarmed that such a popular movie's main like through line was the fact that she.

Speaker 2 And are we carrying the storyline through to the second one?

Speaker 2 Why couldn't he just be the stepbrother? It's still weird. It's still wrong.
Because I think the half-brother

Speaker 2 not. Because I think the half-brother is more of a shock value.
I think it's just, I think it's in there for shock value. Don't count.
Like

Speaker 2 gross out John Waters like nasty stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Anyways, we're about to celebrate our one-year anniversary.
Wow.

Speaker 2 That came fast.

Speaker 3 I know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's the summer.

Speaker 2 How do you feel like we do?

Speaker 7 What are you going to do?

Speaker 3 What are we going to do? We're going to go to stagecoach for one night.

Speaker 3 I really, we want to see Lana Del Rey and Zach Bryan. I mean, hate who he is as a person, but do love his music.

Speaker 2 Unfortunately. You guys have great.
He does make good music. So

Speaker 2 I will be closing my eyes.

Speaker 2 Do like a song.

Speaker 3 So, we're going to go to Stagecoach for one night, and then we're going to have a little staycation

Speaker 3 at a little like spa retreat that I booked us for the weekend.

Speaker 2 To recover not only from Stagecoach night one, get that dust cleared out.

Speaker 2 Well, last the first we went to stagecoach for the first time together is a couple, two years ago, missed it last year because of our wedding.

Speaker 2 That whole thing, Yeah, that whole thing.

Speaker 3 So now our wedding anniversary will be on stage coach every year.

Speaker 3 I didn't think about that.

Speaker 3 But you always have something to do.

Speaker 2 That is true. The NFL draft is also this weekend, and it is hosted by it's at, it's in Green Bay.
Wow.

Speaker 2 And I'm so in love with my wife that I didn't, I didn't even ask if we could spend our anniversary in Green Bay at the NFL draft.

Speaker 3 I do feel like the Monday after our wedding, you were like, hey, so this is happening.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I was like,

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh,

Speaker 3 that's what you want to do for our one-year anniversary? Yep.

Speaker 3 So, but yeah, we're going to, he got me like a really extravagant gift.

Speaker 2 Didn't you? We got it.

Speaker 2 I thought you already got it.

Speaker 3 No, I also

Speaker 2 came up.

Speaker 2 And it's getting delivered tomorrow. We're doing a joint gift.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Do we want to share?

Speaker 2 Are we doing it together? Okay. We'll share next week.
Okay. How do you feel like we did? For a year? Yeah.
Us.

Speaker 3 Listen, I think we've been through a lot.

Speaker 3 And I think...

Speaker 2 Listen.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 like

Speaker 3 the one year definitely, you know, it came with some challenges.

Speaker 3 I think we held on to each other and worked through them as best as we could, obviously still working through some of them. But shit, I mean.

Speaker 3 It's been the best year of my life, all things considered.

Speaker 2 So I love you. Oh my God.
Why are you looking at me like that?

Speaker 3 You don't agree?

Speaker 2 No, I agree. Well, what do you think of our year? I'm really proud of us.
Yeah. Yeah.
We've definitely been a lot lately. Through a lot lately, but it's gone by fast in the best possible way.
I know.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Kind of crazy.
Yeah. Should we leave? Yeah.
It's really romantic.

Speaker 3 And you guys have accomplished a lot together, separately.

Speaker 2 You raised a baby raising, but like, she's going to be toddler soon. Yeah.
Gracie. Yeah.
I'm just thinking.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it went by fast.

Speaker 7 It really did go by fast. Right? It's that's crazy.

Speaker 5 I didn't even think about it until you just said it that it's already like been a year.

Speaker 2 We haven't even posted our full-length wedding video, but we decided to do it on our one-year anniversary. Oh, wow.
We've been waiting. Wait till you're going to post it.
On our one-year anniversary.

Speaker 3 On our one-year anniversary. So you'll see it Sunday.

Speaker 5 How long is it?

Speaker 2 I think it's like six minutes.

Speaker 2 Six or seven minutes.

Speaker 7 Yeah. You said full length.

Speaker 2 Full length. That's a six.

Speaker 2 You want a. We want to get a 48-hour version.

Speaker 3 We want dialogue.

Speaker 2 I said it was a full-length video. What's our full- I was expecting like

Speaker 2 BTS with the caterers, like them getting ready, drama.

Speaker 3 But we do have all of the footage.

Speaker 2 So if you all want to edit it,

Speaker 2 if you want to make

Speaker 2 a movie. Yeah, please feel free.

Speaker 2 With all your free time, you have. We have the video.

Speaker 2 We have the videographer's six-minute version of our wedding weekend, which was quite lovely.

Speaker 2 It's a good video.

Speaker 3 Have you guys watched it? Oh, so it's the whole weekend.

Speaker 5 It's not just the wedding. It's like it's the wedding weekend video.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's the Friday night and Saturday night.

Speaker 3 We watched it when we first got it.

Speaker 2 Several times. Did you? And then we haven't watched it recently, but we should.
We should take a whole bat. You sound like it's a bad thing.
Did you correct?

Speaker 3 I think I like got a little emotion.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Cute.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Speaking of just like everything we've gone through, I will say I started my period after having two miscarriages.
That is the most jarring. and like triggering thing to experience.

Speaker 3 No one warned me. No one was like, hey, just let you know.

Speaker 3 So I'm here to let you know that if you have had a miscarriage and it's hard because you're like waiting for your period because that like, you know, kind of resets your body.

Speaker 3 And they tell you like, I mean, I've been told now I need to wait three months until we try again. So three periods.
Yeah. So I finally got my first one since last year.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 you're like so excited because you're like, oh, this is good. And then you start bleeding and you're like, oh my God.

Speaker 3 And it kind of takes you back to like experiencing that miscarriage because that was the last time that you tmi but like bled profusely out of your body so it's quite jarring and triggering but how are you handling it i think just trying to compartmentalize which i'm strangely very good at but i think yeah just trying to be like this is not that and this is the beginning yeah so this is like the start of

Speaker 3 hopefully will be the next good chapter um

Speaker 3 but yeah it's that is that is a tough that's a tough one i'm sorry that you're going through through that, but I'm excited for what's to come for you in the future.

Speaker 3 I know, us too. I just wanted to give anyone a heads up if you're in that boat.
I posted about on Instagram this morning.

Speaker 3 But if you're listening and you have experienced your miscarriages or you're waiting for your period heads up warning, prepare yourself. It will be a little bit of a trigger.

Speaker 3 But I do think like people have asked, you know, kind of like how we're handling it. And I will say, like, talking about them is healthy.

Speaker 3 I think friends and family who like aren't afraid to like ask about it or talk about it, it kind of like keeps them alive in a sense. You know, it's, I think that's grief in all, in all types of ways.

Speaker 3 You know, everyone handles it differently. I don't know if this will work for you, but it works for me of like Chambliss will constantly like refer.
to the babies or like talk about them.

Speaker 3 And in like, in a sense, it, it keeps them around and it keeps their like spirit alive and their memory alive. And like, versus people who are like, oh, I don't, don't bring it up.

Speaker 3 It's like triggering. Don't say anything.
It's like, no, please, like, let's talk about it. Let's make it like part of our lives because they are part of our lives, you know?

Speaker 3 So I don't know if maybe that will work for you. Maybe it won't, but I've appreciated that.

Speaker 2 I think.

Speaker 2 I love you.

Speaker 3 I love you. Should we get into something a little bit lighthearted?

Speaker 2 The world still hates Katy Perry. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Listen, can you imagine being like, we're going to go to space and it's going to be so fucking cool.

Speaker 2 And then it's like the most laughable moment of like our history like no one finds it empowering no one is charmed no one like that must be the most just like backhanded like you think you're going into this like empowering and soup and everyone's just like you're a laughing stock well i i think the problem with it is the whole like reference to it being empowering like sometimes like it's just a a fun trip for the five people involved you know what i'm saying like sometimes it's not deeper like when we try to make it deeper than it really is and try to put some sort of meaning behind it to justify like Jeff wants to send some people up to space.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, and good for him.

Speaker 2 I don't really, I'm not one of those people who's always like, oh my God, imagine what, you know, like a bunch of privileged people are doing a bunch of privileged things constantly.

Speaker 2 I'm not worried, you know, it's just like, you know, shut your fucking mouth if you want people to like save the world every time you do something for yourself.

Speaker 2 That being said, like trying to make it a sort of more deeper meaning and trying to call this event some sort of empowering moment for anyone

Speaker 2 or space is this kind of silly. It's just like, hey, a bunch of celebrities got to go to space.
Cool. Well, they should have just highlighted the other people that go to space.

Speaker 3 They should have highlighted the other women who were there who actually do have like backgrounds in this space.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Are they actually astronauts?

Speaker 3 What were their names? But it's like, we should have been highlighting them. We should have been like Katie Perry and Lauren Sanchez.

Speaker 3 Like in their interviews, in their like promoting this, they should have been like, and we have these incredible women with us who like have studied this.

Speaker 3 Like they should have been hyping these other women women up instead of like trying to put them in the shadows. I felt like that probably could have changed their course of action a little bit.

Speaker 2 But I think that's the most representative thing of Katy Perry's brand of feminism because all Katy Perry is doing of like when you're talking about her

Speaker 2 when you're talking about this mission at large of it being like the most shallow thing in the world that's like representing women. and women power, like that is Katy Perry's entire brand.

Speaker 2 So it makes complete sense for her to have like this whole thing of, I am a woman, I am doing this, I am bringing power, and then shutting out any actual conversation regarding what that means, who is actually doing the work, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 To Natalie's point, though, like Amanda Nguyen, this is someone that I didn't know until after the backlash of Blue Origins, but she had a career in bioastronomics and then she unfortunately experienced like SA and then became an advocate for it.

Speaker 6 and actually drafted policies. And then she thought she left like the career of like astronomics.
And then now she was on Blue Origins trip to space.

Speaker 6 So it's like, we don't know about the people people that

Speaker 3 like people are talking about her now because people are like wait we're all mad at katie but like look at the people that should have gone up you know yeah but then it's only getting brought up after exactly like wait what who are we forgetting but her story is empowering so it's like why wasn't why wasn't that person ever mentioned well it's because like i said no like they the the the women with the influence and the power behind them should have been talking about exactly but that would legitimize the actual mission because it's like, oh no, there's actual females that are trained in astronomics to be able to go up there and I feel safer.

Speaker 3 We're just excited to go. And I'm excited to wear glam.
But we do have Amanda who's with us, who is this brilliant, and she's done this and she's done that.

Speaker 3 And let me talk about Amanda instead of being like, here's, I can't wait for my false lasses. Here's a Daisy.
I feel connected to love.

Speaker 2 Let me, let me shout out my set list.

Speaker 3 Well, Wendy's is like a little.

Speaker 2 Well, Katy Perry's team is coming after Wendy's. Wendy's has been known for being a sassy tweeter for some time.

Speaker 3 I think Wendy's is only known to the people who are online.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 3 You know, the people who don't know who Coachella is don't know that Wendy's a sassy. They just know Wendy sells a good chicken nugget.

Speaker 2 A square burger. A square burger.
Nevertheless, but whether you've been paying attention to Wendy's Twitter account or not, they have been a little sassy in the tweets for some time now.

Speaker 2 But someone from Katy Perry's team does not appreciate her sassiness. They say it wasn't a harmless banter.
This was a billion-dollar brand using its platform to publicly demean a woman.

Speaker 3 Because Wendy's tweeted that they wanted to send Katy Perry back, which as a billion-dollar corporation

Speaker 3 representing a billion-dollar, it's definitely like...

Speaker 2 It was probably just an intern tweeting that.

Speaker 3 This is what I wonder, too. It's like, I'm like, did somebody get in trouble for this or were they congratulated for this?

Speaker 2 Congratulated. It's making news.
We're talking about it. Talking about Wendy's right now.

Speaker 2 My favorite part of this was when... Great.
A Frosty's, everybody.

Speaker 2 Shout out to the Frosties.

Speaker 3 The person that tweeted that was like

Speaker 2 the second, it's like, when the boss calls, it's like, is this a good thing or a bad thing? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Thank you.

Speaker 2 My favorite part of this was when Katy Perry's quote-unquote team, so Katy Perry was mad that they said, so Katy Perry's team was like, what's worse is the face of Wendy's is a woman, which makes this decision not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic.

Speaker 2 Like they really thought they got little Miss Wendy.

Speaker 2 Little Miss, red-headed, pigtailed Wendy. And I'm like, ironic or painfully? What's the difference?

Speaker 2 It's not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic.

Speaker 3 She also said telling a woman that she should be sent back is shameful bullying and reflects a troubling willingness to tear down in today's society.

Speaker 2 We, we, amongst many of the other words, we have watered down, misused, and bullying is up there for me. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Just because you talk a little shit to somebody doesn't make it immediately bullying. Have you ever riffed?

Speaker 2 Christ. God.

Speaker 2 Have you ever had a banter? Yeah. Have you ever had fun?

Speaker 2 Have you ever laughed? Yeah. Have you ever goofed? Goofed even?

Speaker 3 Truly. Well, Wendy's has responded.

Speaker 2 They have.

Speaker 3 They responded and they did not apologize. They said, We always bring a little spice to our socials, but Wendy's has a ton of respect for Katy Perry and her out-of-this-world talent

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Speaker 2 Justice for Kesha. Well, if you guys are missing the entire cast of Love Island USA from last summer, fear not.
They will be back on Peacock this summer.

Speaker 2 Serena, Janae, Aaron, Miguel, Leah, Kayler Connor, Kenny, Olivia, and Kendall.

Speaker 2 Do you think Connor's on to replace Rob? Rob is the obviously most notable absentee from this list. Cordell is also not on the list, but Serena is.
And it seems like there were some...

Speaker 2 apparently, Cordell's booked and busy, which is why he's not part of this cast. Rob is just like out.
He's just like, I don't, I'm good. He's doing music videos.
He's doing music videos.

Speaker 2 Catching snakes. Honestly, like, good for Rob.
Like, he's made a brand. Good amount of money.
Or just like he's stuck to his guns. Like, he, a lot of people like talk about,

Speaker 3 it sounded like he said he sucked his guns.

Speaker 2 Sucked his guns? It did sound that way. He stuck

Speaker 2 to his guns.

Speaker 2 Sorry about that. It's okay.
Yeah. Well, I'm excited to watch watch this.

Speaker 3 I'm so excited about this. Can you imagine the pressure that this upcoming season, Love Island USA, is under?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's why I think it's going to be so messy.

Speaker 3 I just hope it's not over the top in the sense of just like feeling fake because everyone's trying to like have their like Leah one-liner TikTok go viral moment that we're like none of you actually have real connections.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but I feel like also seeing that they got a spin-off because they haven't started filming, right? It's pretty like live kind of. She said it was a you follow, which I don't really like.

Speaker 3 No, no, I'm talking about this upcoming season of Love Island USA.

Speaker 2 Oh no, yeah, they haven't started.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they haven't started filming. So I feel like the contestants who are going now see

Speaker 3 the previous contestants got a spin-off. So they're like, let's fucking bring it.

Speaker 2 And sometimes, you know, there's a fine line in reality TV between like performing and just being yourself and just like living in the moment.

Speaker 2 I think this cast that did so well really just lived in the moment. They really just.

Speaker 3 And USA was like flying under the radar for a while.

Speaker 3 So it's like, it wasn't performative in the way like that it was just like these are their genuine reactions and then it just blew up because like some of them were just walking sound bites. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But it's like I just don't want people going in there trying to be like, okay, who can I fight with? What's my next overalls like comment?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, I'm excited to watch it.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 Well, Leah actually requested to not have certain producers.

Speaker 2 We know is this alleged or is this

Speaker 3 Leah requested that certain producers from Love Island, USA not be on the spin-off.

Speaker 3 She said I gave them specific names of who I wouldn't wouldn't work with again, basically saying that I guess some producers kept her and Miguel away from each other to like keep the Leah and Rob of it all going.

Speaker 3 And she was like, I'm not down with that. I don't want them around.
And they were like, you ask and you shall receive.

Speaker 2 There have not been, there hasn't been a single breakup. No.
Uh, yet from this cast, which is a little shocking.

Speaker 2 Well, there was right after. Well, I mean, like, well, not Kayla.

Speaker 3 I'm addicted to Leah and Miguel's TikToks. Like, they are so obsessed with each other and they're so funny.
So I'm so excited just to like watch them the whole time.

Speaker 6 There is someone who posted a photo of Kayla and Liv arguing at an event they went to.

Speaker 2 Do you think it's real or do you think it's staged?

Speaker 6 Potentially staged, but at least we know there's trouble in paradise.

Speaker 2 The breakup of blonde moments? Yeah. No.

Speaker 4 And Aaron. Wait.

Speaker 3 Kayla and Aaron under the same roof again?

Speaker 2 The drama. I cannot wait.

Speaker 2 I'm predicting a bounce back for Aaron. Honestly, I miss hearing, fuck, Aaron.

Speaker 3 I do miss it.

Speaker 2 I like wasn't even watching Love Island at the time, but like I still, like, it's in my brain some men. That's good.
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Speaker 2 Hey, Ray.

Speaker 2 How are you? Hey, how are you? We're so good. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 7 No problem. Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 I was scrolling on TwitterX. I don't know what people are calling it these days.
And

Speaker 2 I came across your tweets talking all things Bravo. And then I looked, and then I stalked you on Instagram.
And I'm like, we need to get her on the show.

Speaker 7 That's so nice. Thank you.
I hope you didn't say anything too crazy.

Speaker 2 I just like that you were just like, you know, you really believed. in your commentary, you know, I kind of forgot what, you know, but you had some great takes.

Speaker 2 And then obviously I look you know, I looked at your background. You're a stand-up comedian.
You're a Emmy-nominated TV writer. I was like, we need to get her on.

Speaker 2 Do you mind if we start with Summerhouse? Or do you want to maybe put a bow on your thoughts on the Beverly Hills housewife season?

Speaker 7 Let's start with Beverly Hills since it's a little further in the distance.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's start with Beverly Hills. The big thing I think right now, people are trying to like figure out the Garcell exit of it all.

Speaker 2 This past week, we noticed that Garcell unfollowed Sutton, which a lot of people were surprised by. What are your thoughts on the exit overall? Part of me is kind of thinking, you know what?

Speaker 2 If she wants to go, I'm happy for Garcelle. She seems like she's prioritizing her mental health.
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm fine with her leaving, but do you have any other commentary on this situation?

Speaker 7 I'm fine with her leaving as well.

Speaker 7 I thought she probably wasn't particularly well suited for reality TV. I think Garcelle exists in two separate spaces for me.
Like, I know Garcel from, you know, Coming to America, the R. Kelly.

Speaker 7 I I know we don't, we don't talk about him anymore, but the R. Kelly Download video series.
Like, she's from the Jamie Fox show. There's Garcelle over there.

Speaker 7 And then there's Garcelle on Real House Rise of Beverly Hills, who I think never really suited reality TV. She's just too normal a person.

Speaker 7 And I don't know. I think that she boxed herself in being so tight with Sutton.

Speaker 7 And she's just had some bad experiences on the show, but she also didn't really like make good relationships or inroads with the women either.

Speaker 7 And I'm surprised it took her this long to unfollow Sutton. You know, she's been being passive aggressive on Instagram since the reunion.
I thought Sutton would have been the first one.

Speaker 3 On the car ride home from the reunion, she unfollows Sutton, you know, but it took her this long.

Speaker 7 When they didn't go get supper,

Speaker 2 she should have unfollowed her.

Speaker 7 I didn't, I didn't understand what that was about.

Speaker 7 Especially since, you know, my frustration with Garcelle, I in general do not like a passive aggressive housewife like there's a certain kind of passive aggression i like if it turns into an explosion but she's just someone who is sometimes conflict averse but then sometimes isn't and then when she's

Speaker 7 like confrontational she's upset that people aren't nice to her back it's a weird thing i don't understand it i she she don't know how to fight for tv that's the thing she doesn't know how to fight for tv and i just don't like the way she she you know approaches conflict on the show

Speaker 7 So one of the things that she did that I found particularly passive-aggressive was after the reunion, she posted something to the effect of all skin folk ain't kin folk.

Speaker 7 And that's, you know, a common saying in the black community where, you know, there's a person who works against everybody else. And the assumption was initially that it was talking about Anna Marie.

Speaker 7 because Anna Marie was being weird, like she always is on the internet about Garcel. And then,

Speaker 7 and then the rumors and reports came out about some big conflict between her and Bose at the reunion. And we were going to see why.
And so the internet in certain spaces were just trashing Bose.

Speaker 7 It's like a bad black person had sold Garcelle out, all kinds of stuff. And Bose had been asked about it.
She said, I'm going to assume it's not about me unless Garcell says it's about me.

Speaker 7 I think Garcelle, if it wasn't about Bose, should have explained that it wasn't about Bose, because that's a major accusation to put on somebody, especially someone we just met on TV this past year.

Speaker 7 And then when we got to the reunion, I didn't see anything that was particularly sellout worthy. So I was like, that's super whack.
I thought that was super whack of Garcia. So that was one.

Speaker 7 That passive aggression in that space was really, really disappointing for me. And then secondly, like,

Speaker 7 why are you sitting there pouting for nine hours? And then you don't take the picture, but you do the toast. That didn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 7 It just seemed, it was just kind of, I don't know, it felt more like a tantrum than anything that felt like standing on your business or making a statement.

Speaker 7 It just felt silly because you, you stayed the nine hours. What would have been a picture?

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's, I felt like the walkout was kind of performative and staged on Garcell's end because to your point, like, yeah, she did like grab the drink. She cheers with everyone.

Speaker 3 She like waited for Andy to be like, let's take the photo.

Speaker 3 And then she gathers up her dress and says no i'm out and walks off it's like if you were done you just walk off as soon as they're like all right we're wrapped like you don't cheers with everyone and like wait for your moment it's like she'd been fantasizing about the exit those nine hours while she wasn't you know i don't know about that i wouldn't say that it was staged i think that

Speaker 7 because at the beginning of the taping she did say that she wanted to take a photo i felt like it it was something that metaphorically meant something to her like I think she did care about the picture.

Speaker 7 I just think it was corny to care about the picture and not anything else. But it did seem to matter to her.

Speaker 7 And I think the moment that broke her, which is, again, why I was shocked that it took her this long to unfollow Sutton, was when Andy's asking everybody, what's your surprise of the season?

Speaker 7 And Garcelle's like, oh, I met your mother and I saw the dynamic between y'all and it made me understand you more. And then Sutton just turns right around.

Speaker 7 She's like, Erica and I, guys, our best friends. I was like, wow, this girl has been leaving you hanging the whole time.
Like, it's crazy. And that, I think, was the moment that broke her.

Speaker 7 I think there was like a slow build or whatever, but that was the moment that broke her.

Speaker 7 I guess my disappointment was in how she articulated what was happening to her throughout the nine hours that she was sitting there. Cause Andy was like, do you want to talk about why you're upset?

Speaker 7 And she was just like, no one smiled at me.

Speaker 2 I was like, girl, yeah please like she was like no they girl greeted me when everyone walked in but since we've been here no one has made eye contact with me and smiled and it was like it's like yeah because you're accusing this woman of insurance fraud like i'm not gonna smile at you if you accuse me of crimes on national television like what are we talking about this is crazy you make a good point when you said like i'm not sure if she ever like made a good housewife in the way that she fought her battles.

Speaker 2 And like now that you're saying that, I'm thinking because like Garcelle has such an illustrious background, you know, like she really compared to a lot of her peers.

Speaker 2 Like, she, I mean, maybe even more so, like, yeah, definitely more so than Denise Richards.

Speaker 2 Like, I know Denise Richards was a Bond girl, but like, Garcelle had a long ass, like, really impressive career.

Speaker 2 And it's kind of almost like, yeah, it's like in a way, she feels like she's kind of above the drama in a way that almost like Kyle tries to be, but Kyle successfully kind of gets other people to have her back.

Speaker 2 And it just seems like Garcelle really wanted Sutton and maybe some of the other women to like be her friend. Yeah, be her friend and kind of like have her back.

Speaker 2 And like she did, they were just never going to in ways that she expected them to.

Speaker 7 But also she didn't, I don't think she cultivated relationships in a way. You know, like this, this thing, we've been watching Housewives for what, 17 years? Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 7 watching this stuff since college, you know. And you sort of start to see the formula.
You sort of start to see how you're meant to maneuver, particularly on Beverly Hills.

Speaker 7 I mean, we've seen how much producer interference there is, you know, all the chess moves you have to make, and Garcelle wasn't making them.

Speaker 7 And I guess she just didn't feel the need to create inroads in certain places.

Speaker 7 And I also think that her mistake was fan service to the detriment of her relationship to the people in the rooms that she would have to be in. I think that that was a big miscalculation on her part.

Speaker 7 I think that she's questioning Doreet's robbery because everybody on the internet, it wasn't just four people, Doreet, it was 4 million people. Like everybody is questioning that robbery.

Speaker 7 But I don't have to be in the room with Doreet and I don't have to expect her to smile at me after we get through arguing about it. So it doesn't make sense for her.

Speaker 7 as a human being who has to interact with these people face to face for however many months of filming to just say things that we on the internet callously might say

Speaker 7 and

Speaker 7 to forget how human beings interact with one another, which is that you can't indirectly accuse my husband of a crime and expect me to be your best friend.

Speaker 7 For her to have forgotten that part just seemed really crazy to me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I mean, it happens often, I think, with the housewives where sometimes they forget that there's a huge difference between any of them saying something on this show that is platformed to millions of people versus any of them reading, you know, whatever Reddit or blogs or various rumors that are just like being thrown around between fans.

Speaker 2 Like, and fans are just like having fun being fans, not really knowing who these women are, not having access to their lives off camera.

Speaker 2 And so when one of these women who do have this incredible access, have these friendships, you know, know these people's spouses, repeat a rumor or platform these theories, it is just night and day, you know?

Speaker 2 And the fact that Carcell doesn't see that is why, I mean, Carcella is not the only one.

Speaker 7 And even if she was going to, right? She insisted upon it being her feeling. She just felt that way.
She just felt that way. Yeah.

Speaker 7 They're entitled to not smile at you because they don't like how you felt. I don't understand this notion.
I hate that. I hate the like.
It's just my opinion. And I can think your opinion is dumb.

Speaker 2 And I can think your feelings are fucked up.

Speaker 7 Like, I just, I thought her rant at the end in the dressing room was so bizarre. She said, I took accountability and no one had my back.
And I'm like, why would anybody have your back?

Speaker 7 And that didn't look like taking accountability to me. It looked like you were like, well, that's how I felt.
Okay, sorry if that bothered you. Okay.
And then I'm not going to be your friend anymore.

Speaker 7 I don't understand what she was confused about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like taking accountability sounded like her like doubling down on her opinion.

Speaker 7 Yes, exactly. And

Speaker 7 I can see why she felt like people don't give her grace, but people give grace to people they like. I forgive people I want to keep around.

Speaker 7 I forgive people who are in my life and I don't want them to go.

Speaker 7 I'm not going to give grace to someone who at every opportunity seems combative with me, which isn't to say that those women didn't start conflict with Garcel.

Speaker 7 They absolutely have on multiple occasions. But again, grace is reserved for people that.
deserve grace. And the way to deserve grace is to be likable or worth keeping in my life.

Speaker 7 And I don't think Dorit is crying because Garcelle isn't coming back. Like y'all hated each other.
Why would, why would there be grace?

Speaker 7 And then it sounded to me like, was she saying no one had my back? Like she expected the other women in the group to say along with her that Dorit's robbery was staged?

Speaker 7 Because that means that you also want other people to get on TV and possibly slander their friends. Like that's a weird expectation.

Speaker 2 And I honestly, I think that is the expectation because I know that Garcelle's not the only person in this circle of friends who have talked about that rumor.

Speaker 2 And so she's heard, I don't even know who she's heard, but she's heard other women talk about it. And so, yeah, she kind of expected, I guess, at the reunion to say, well, I know you think this too.

Speaker 2 I know you've talked about it. But there's a huge disconnect between like her not understanding why the other women wouldn't want to bring this up because

Speaker 2 you're accusing someone of a crime. And it's different when you're just having drinks with a friend.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's weird because I don't understand why she didn't take the social cues throughout the season, right? Like whenever she seemed to try to bring it up on camera, Sutton didn't play along.

Speaker 7 So she should have anticipated that she wasn't going to play along at the reunion either. Like that just seemed pretty silly to me.

Speaker 7 Now, however, I think Sutton let her down tremendously in other ways. Like Sutton should have gone after that woman when she left the set.

Speaker 7 Like Sutton should have followed her friend and been like, but Sutton was sitting there being like, I don't know why she's so upset, like kissing up to these women.

Speaker 7 And I, if I had watched that on television, I doubt Garcelles even watched the reunion, probably.

Speaker 7 I don't think she cares, but like, if I saw Sutton talking about me with the other girls like that, it would have been over. I don't know why she waited a week.
to unfollow.

Speaker 2 Maybe, maybe she just watched it over their weekend and then that's what prompted me to unfollow.

Speaker 2 Who knows? Props the Boz, though.

Speaker 2 I mean, I actually forgot about that line, but like, I, you know, that's such a great response to an accusation to say, unless I know for sure it's about me, I'm just going to assume it's not.

Speaker 2 Like, Bose never takes the bait in a way that like most housewives do. She's been one of my favorite housewives, period.

Speaker 2 And just given like the track record or lack thereof of new housewives, she's really had an all-star performance season one.

Speaker 2 It's really been incredible, especially in Bev Hills, where I think it's even harder to be like a newbie. Right.
It's really been incredible.

Speaker 7 I totally agree. I really like her.

Speaker 7 I, so I prefer my housewives.

Speaker 7 I don't want to say like forceful, but like I prefer my housewives powerful and like, you know, one of my favorite housewives ever, although she is in deep trouble right now.

Speaker 7 But Kenya Moore is one of my favorite housewives ever. I fell in love with Kenya Moore because on her first season of Royal Housewives of Atlanta, she came to the reunion.

Speaker 7 Literally every person on stage hated her. Every single person.
And she defended herself and spoke well for herself. And she wasn't backed down.
And I like that about Bose.

Speaker 7 You know, a lot of the time I've seen people online say, oh, they're just going to do to Bose what they did to Garcel. Dore is going to turn on Bose.
Kyle's going to turn on Bose.

Speaker 7 I don't see that happening because Bose seems so sure of herself. I've never seen someone so self-assured.
I envy her self-esteem. Like her self-esteem is like through the roof.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 Like, I think even when she was on Jimmy Fallon, fallon jimmy fallon was like complimenting her accolades and she was like correct yeah

Speaker 7 and i was like yes i am not worried about her i'm not worried about her at all i don't think a rena could run her off i don't think uh a doreeve or an erica nobody can run that woman off i think if she gets unlikable for whatever reason, it's going to be because of her.

Speaker 7 It's not going to be because somebody is strong enough to bully her. I don't see it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you want to get into a little Atlanta?

Speaker 2 Are you up to speed?

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, of course. Okay.

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, you mentioned that Kenya is one of your favorite housewives. Where do you see this whole situation with the revenge porn? Or not?

Speaker 2 I mean, I know we're not, I don't know if we're calling it revenge porn because technically it's not, but like, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 She, you know, she seems to be really, I don't know, in my opinion, still doubling and tripling down, like, and having kind of these semantical arguments.

Speaker 2 But, I mean, a lot of people in the Bravo fan base have Kenya's back. So

Speaker 2 where do you see this whole situation?

Speaker 7 Well, so if you know anything about Kenya, she loves a semantic and technical argument. She loves technicalities.
She loves semantics. That's her MO.
So I'm not surprised she's doing that.

Speaker 7 I think she probably has realized she probably won't get her job back, which is why she's bugging out on the internet.

Speaker 7 Anyone who wanted to stay in Bravo's Good Graces wouldn't be doing what she's doing, which is, you know, doing YouTube videos and um explaining her side you know doing her confessionals or you know retweeting negative posts about cynthia or all of this and you know she even commented that andy and um his podcast partner sounded ignorant talking about like uh

Speaker 7 incident i think that she was wrong i think britt was wrong and i think production handled britt threatening kenya very terribly and also i think that kenya was wrong i think two things can be true at once like britt was an asshole and kenya was an asshole too and And I think it's okay to say that Kenya did something wrong.

Speaker 7 I'm not the kind of person who thinks that just because someone has done something wrong to you, you get to retaliate any which way.

Speaker 7 I think that that is such a silly notion that a lot of the Bravo fandom seems to hold on to that. If you step on my foot, I get to shoot your mom.
That's not how it goes, you know?

Speaker 7 Like we have like there's self-defense. And then self-defense turns into murder very quickly if you don't do things the certain way.

Speaker 7 You can't just walk down on someone who's already retreated and shoot them.

Speaker 7 And so I feel like Kenya walked down on Britt who had retreated and shot her and is trying to be like, no, it was self-defense. This lady showed up with flowers.
Do I believe that apology was sincere?

Speaker 7 No. I think Britt was worried she'd lose her job and had heard things either through production or the other.

Speaker 7 housewives on the cast and was like, oh, oh, shoot, I stepped in it and, you know, tried to make amends. But Kenya wasn't going to listen to that.
I think Kenya felt abandoned by production.

Speaker 7 I don't think she was wrong in feeling that. I feel, I think she was disappointed in that she realized they probably weren't going to take the kind of action she wanted them to, which is to fire Brit.

Speaker 7 And she bugged out, but she bugged out. She bugged out.
And it's okay to say she bugged out. And I think how she acted was regrettable.
I think it's so embarrassing that she did it at her own event.

Speaker 7 I just didn't understand that. I would not make some loser that I'm trying to get fired fired off the show the centerpiece of my grand opening.
That's astonishing to me.

Speaker 2 That's great. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And as a pageant queen, you would think she would know not to make her moment about somebody else, but she did it. And

Speaker 7 I'm disappointed. And there were moments within the last year before the show aired that made her look contrite.
She seemed to take accountability on Tamron Hall's show.

Speaker 7 She seemed to acknowledge that what she had done was not right to do.

Speaker 7 And she's, she, she's careful about saying she is wrong and takes accountability, but then she defends herself in ways that make me believe that she hasn't fully sort of grasped the magnitude of what she actually did in that situation.

Speaker 7 And I'm a member of Team Twirl. So I understand what we're capable of.
We feed our narcissist queen. We do.
We are all like Team Twirl is like, Kenya can do no wrong.

Speaker 7 And so I think that when she saw the online reaction to Britt making the threat and saw all the bloggers and tweets and things saying, Kenya was vindicated, she got it in her mind that she was vindicated.

Speaker 7 And no, she was not vindicated. She was not vindicated.
She did something wrong. Again, I think Britt should have been fired or reprimanded or suspended.

Speaker 7 There should have been some kind of mediation between them. But I don't think you get to bug out.
and show people naked

Speaker 7 at events

Speaker 7 because your boss didn't handle a situation well.

Speaker 2 Well said. What do you make of Drew's divorce and the court documents that she so desperately wants sealed?

Speaker 2 That was crazy. And like, I was, at first, it makes sense.
You know, you don't want your kids to eventually have to read this stuff. I'm like, okay, that tracks.

Speaker 2 But then she's like, has no problem saying, well, no, because it's all this shit he did. And like, she kind of starts naming things.
And you start lifting it off. I'm like, what's the divorce?

Speaker 2 What are you trying to hide? And meanwhile, he's all like, unseal that shit. You know, it's just like, whoa.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 where do you track with all that?

Speaker 7 So I love Drew because she is a bogus delusional liar.

Speaker 2 I love it so much.

Speaker 7 I don't know that we've ever heard Drew tell the truth. Is Drew even her real name?

Speaker 2 I love her so much. Ridiculous.

Speaker 7 I think that Drew and Ralph.

Speaker 7 Their relationship is obviously toxic, but they are the same person and they deserve each other.

Speaker 2 They're both lying. They're both like,

Speaker 7 yes, exactly. I'm telling the world that I want the record sealed, but I'm listing all the things that would go into that.

Speaker 7 Like, that is absurd. Um, Ralph is doing YouTube videos, so he's clearly still in the basement.

Speaker 2 And also, like, what, man? That's crazy.

Speaker 2 Living in a basement, like, immediately, you're a loser.

Speaker 3 Walking out of Corby and like, I don't have to leave.

Speaker 2 That was crazy. The lack of respect that man has for himself is just really impressive.

Speaker 7 It was, I was I was like, oh, so he's a happy bug.

Speaker 2 He's a bug. He was just an absolute bug.

Speaker 7 Because I thought it was standard that, like, the parent who probably doesn't want to be the custodial parent leaves the house. And

Speaker 7 as we know, the way divorces tend to go, the mom holds on to the kid, the father leaves the home and pays child support. I don't understand why he's fighting.

Speaker 3 Why is this judge like, no, stay downstairs?

Speaker 2 Like, that is, who is this judge?

Speaker 3 Are they even even a real judge?

Speaker 2 Or is it like one of their friends?

Speaker 7 I was very confused about the judge. I would love, I wish they had given us some of the judge's reasoning.
Yeah. Because I could not understand why it was like, stay in that basement.

Speaker 2 Stay in that basement. And he says, yes.

Speaker 7 Show everybody that y'all were cheating. I could not know.

Speaker 7 And his lawyer seemed too ecstatic for me as well. I was like, are you this thrilled to be representing a bum?

Speaker 2 What are we doing here? Yeah.

Speaker 2 We have a lot to obviously still talk about Atlanta, but I wanted to get into summer house with you before we let you go.

Speaker 2 A lot happened this past episode. I have empathy for Jesse.

Speaker 2 Only because he had

Speaker 2 cancer.

Speaker 2 It's the cancer pass. I don't like, you know, but I'm not, he's not right.

Speaker 3 But this episode, I think, took it too far.

Speaker 3 The Jesse and Lexi. I do think he is, was love bombing her.
I do think him being like mad at her for whatever she was doing with West at a club and then being like,

Speaker 3 it wasn't the same. It's different than what I did.
And like, but I love you so much. Let's make up.
Let's have sex. Let's like spend the night together.
Everything's fine.

Speaker 2 37 minutes watching an orgy is the same as Lexi like holding up your drunk friend. Well, in his words, like putting his

Speaker 2 hands on his shoulder or something. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Was the one that was giving her a massage, according to Jesse.

Speaker 2 And she's like, all I did was hold up your drug friend. Why is he mad at Lexi then? Because he's toxic as fuck.

Speaker 7 He's creating a fight so that he has the upgrade.

Speaker 2 Exactly. That's all he's doing.

Speaker 7 I've had a recent situation with a narcissist and God bless Lexi. She's 26.
I am 37. And my narcissist got me at 36.
And I still fell for that.

Speaker 7 Like, you know, she's doing pretty good considering she hasn't hit 30 yet. Like, you know, she's a lot more mature than I would have been at that age.
But Jesse, I think, is a terrorist.

Speaker 2 Like, there's no, there's nothing.

Speaker 7 nothing, I see no upside to this guy. First of all, I don't trust a guy who smiles that much.
There's no one that happy.

Speaker 2 There's nothing that joyful.

Speaker 7 No, no. I know the whole cancer thing.
He's probably just happy to be alive and be here. And I get that, but you can't guy smiley me all through.
Like, it's, it's weird. I can't do it.
I can't do it.

Speaker 7 And also, I think I'm a kink shamer. Listen, I'm going to kink shame.
I think it's weird to watch your new friend

Speaker 7 have an orgy. I just just think that that is weird and i think it's even weirder to

Speaker 7 one of the women that's having a threesome with your friend put your toe in her mouth if that's all you did that story is still horrific like

Speaker 7 weird and like i i just think like that's disgusting i don't know i just look look have all the sex you want to have but i just think that that's a weird kind of engagement with strangers on national tv when you just asked a girl to be exclusive or you're about to ask a girl to be exclusive.

Speaker 7 And I think not enough is made of that. I think it's a,

Speaker 7 Lexi is showing signs of fight, right? Like she did try to argue with him. She did try to, but you know, she, he's, he's doing what he's doing.
He's gaslighting. He's love bombing.

Speaker 7 And so. like she she's gonna she's gonna figure it out from all of her interviews it sounds like she has figured it out so good for her but that guy he's a he's he's

Speaker 7 that one what do you what do you make of uh jesse and uh sierra's friendship i think both of them are so whack i think they're so whack i i i think that jesse jesse is the dirtbag right like let's just that is the headline jesse solivan is a dirtbag and then secondarily i think siara's move is so whack like she's she's being really corny the fact is At this point, she knows that they're exclusive, even if he's not her boyfriend, right?

Speaker 7 So at the very least, she should be like, yo, bro, like, get off me. Your girl's sitting right there or something,

Speaker 7 something that is like backing him up off her.

Speaker 7 If you don't respect your relationship's boundaries, I respect myself enough to not have me be the reason that you're not respecting your relationship's boundaries.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like her ego was a little shot when it felt like he chose Lexi over her when he was like, you can't touch, don't touch anymore?

Speaker 2 And she was like, oh, really? Honestly, I felt like her response to Jesse was kind of giving girlfriend energy to Jesse. It's just like, I agree.

Speaker 7 I thought, I thought when she said something to the effect of,

Speaker 7 oh, if you want to play like that, I can hurt your feelings. I was like, why are you trying to hurt his feelings?

Speaker 7 You should just be setting a boundary because this boy's a loser and he's trying to flirt with you and then make you look crazy by insinuating that it was you who's doing it to him.

Speaker 7 It should be about respecting yourself, not hurting his feelings. Who gives a fuck about his feelings? Excuse me.
Sorry for swearing.

Speaker 7 But like, she's, I, I, one of my frustrations over the course of the

Speaker 7 series with Siara is to me, she just seems too interested in male approval or male attention, or, and it's usually from dweebs, like Jesse's a dweeb, Wes is a dweeb, like Austin's a dweeb, like they're all dweebs.

Speaker 7 And it's just like, yo, if I looked like Sierra, Jesse Solomon could not touch me.

Speaker 7 I would be at some NBA player's house off camera in the Hamptons. Like we, Jesse Solomon couldn't touch my knee.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 I finally got someone on my team about Sierra. Finally.

Speaker 2 Listen, I think just back to like last season, I think whatever Wes has plenty to apologize for, but aside from what Wes did and what he has to apologize for, I think more than anyone, I think Sierra played herself when it comes to her and West.

Speaker 2 I just, for everything. that you just said.
You know, it's just like, it's not that like West wasn't wrong.

Speaker 2 It's just that she cared too much about getting Wes's approval, who's probably beneath her in terms of like the level that she can get.

Speaker 2 But because he didn't give her what she wanted, she got so obsessed with getting Wes's approval that and then and didn't get it.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, even though he's like, I don't want to date, I don't want to date, you know, she tried to close the deal by hooking up with him.

Speaker 2 And then when it didn't close the deal, she, it, it, it fucked with her ego. And

Speaker 2 if I'm Sierra, I'm more mad at me, at myself. That's all.

Speaker 7 I agree.

Speaker 7 I personally don't think that the fury that she has displayed earlier on in the season toward Wes was warranted. I think he was a dickhead.
And

Speaker 7 people be dickheads when you're dating. You know, there's there's there's standard dating.
You know what?

Speaker 7 Okay, I don't want to pontificate on this thing too much, but I think that we've gotten to this place in.

Speaker 7 internet dating culture or just the way we talk about dating online where we don't allow for people to have been a dickhead in their romantic relationships.

Speaker 7 There's a certain amount of like addressing patriarchal stuff or, you know, the way men maneuver through society with women that we got to do. But then there's also like just being a dickhead.

Speaker 7 We didn't get it right the first time or I didn't get it right in this dynamic or this person wasn't for me and I didn't communicate properly. And I think people have overreacted to Wes.

Speaker 7 not getting it right and not communicating properly.

Speaker 7 And I think they've underreacted to siara not setting a boundary for herself and also not communicating properly i think that you're watching some late 20s somethings not communicating properly and i don't think that it has to be a we're bashing west session west session for it but also

Speaker 7 we shouldn't bash her for it but i wouldn't say that i would be mad at myself if i was siara i just wouldn't call him a loser at dinner and then go upstairs and admit that I still want to kiss him.

Speaker 7 Like that you could not pull out of me. Not on national TV.
That's embarrassing. I think she just moves embarrassingly.

Speaker 7 Like, even I think last week I saw pictures of her and Jesse at Coachella, and I'm like, this is losership.

Speaker 7 Like, this is losership right here. This, which isn't to say she can't be friends with her friend.
Be friends with Jesse. You know the guy, you like him.
You enjoy his company. All good.

Speaker 7 But you also know that the show is airing, and there's a certain narrative being told about you.

Speaker 7 And there's a certain narrative with Lexi on her PR, you know, tour that Jesse

Speaker 7 pit y'all against each other and he's manipulating the two of you and that you look kind of funny flirting with this guy who has this girl all Google Gaga over him.

Speaker 7 And then you're going to Coachella with him. Fine, be friends with your friend, go to a festival with your friend.
But the posts he's posting.

Speaker 7 about you like pretending to propose to you and stuff like that it's just like you're letting him use you and you're letting him make you look like a fool and even i think lexi told some story last week about how she had invited everybody to her birthday party and like i guess nobody came or whatever but those two didn't come and they purposely hung out with each other and posted about it and i'm like at this point siara you're being weirdly antagonistic to this girl who from what we've seen thus far hasn't done anything to you she seems to be in her interviews putting all the blame on jesse as she should i don't want to see lexi going after siara that would be super whack but siara's moving like a like a loser and like she's moving like a loser here with jesse it's yeah yeah honestly yeah no um i feel like imrill is the most pointless character on this show

Speaker 3 i don't understand why he is here i mean he has given us nothing but

Speaker 3 having sex literally with herpes he's given us nothing he's given us like no no. He hasn't tried.
And maybe he has and they've cut it out. And this is, they're just making this his storyline.

Speaker 3 And he's just as confused as we all are.

Speaker 2 But like, I don't understand why he's here.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I love how he's just like, I'm, you know, I had a hard life

Speaker 2 and now I need to fuck. Everything.

Speaker 2 Everybody. Everybody.

Speaker 2 That's kind of a story.

Speaker 7 You know, I wonder about Imerl because it has to be difficult to like walk into this house full of people who already made connections and he's not sleeping with anybody.

Speaker 7 So it's not like he's Lexi where he can sort of get grandfathered in that way into the group. And even Lexi is still sort of on the outs with these people.

Speaker 7 But, you know, he's just, he's like, okay, I'm on TV. I'm going to make the most of it.
I don't know how you insert yourself in a group that seems that well. connected.

Speaker 7 And like, I don't really blame him. Now, can he be quieter about the sex? Yeah, be respectful, you know,

Speaker 7 have some common sense boundaries about like what's going on. You are in a house with a bunch of people.
Like, just be respectful of people like that. But I also think that we haven't seen.

Speaker 7 any footage of them trying to get to know him either. So

Speaker 7 I don't know what to make of him.

Speaker 7 I would have liked to see more about a good-looking guy in the house with these people because I deserve eye candy too, but they're not showing us anything.

Speaker 7 and i'm not getting the sense that anybody's trying and he seems when people talk to him particularly when they were confronting him all passive aggressively which i didn't like grow up babe like you didn't have to accuse him of having stds just be like quiet your shorties down but um he seemed very mature about it and he seems pretty self-aware i think i wonder if he's getting an unfair edit and also it's hard to join a new group at least west and jesse had each other to sort of bond with and i don't get the sense that there's anybody that like imril can come into this dynamic you know tackling everything with together you know i feel like him and kyle obviously are friends before i feel like imril

Speaker 3 did something for kyle and kyle was like bro i owe you one and he was like get me on summer house And that is why he is on this show is because he did a favor for Kyle.

Speaker 3 And Kyle is like, yeah, I mean, listen, I started this show. So yeah, sure, I can get you on.
And it has got him laid every single weekend.

Speaker 7 But it doesn't even seem like Kyle's doing much to help him integrate either.

Speaker 3 No, it was like, yeah, the first episode that Kyle was like, why don't you tell him about your life? And then that was like, all right, I'm out.

Speaker 2 I have to go. Yeah, exactly.
PJ.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I just, I don't think, I don't think that they're handling him well.

Speaker 7 I think actually Imroll would make, would have a very good case for what Garcel Bovay felt on Beverly Kelly. He was like, no one's smiling at him.

Speaker 7 You know, he doesn't get grace. No one's smiling at him.
I don't know. I don't know if, I can't tell if that's a production error,

Speaker 7 if it's just a confluence of like production and then his sort of obsession with sex, and then nobody else really making that big an effort to do it.

Speaker 2 It definitely could definitely be.

Speaker 2 be lazy producing lazy editing where it's just like they don't know what to do with this guy then they have like the page and craig break of it all and where they have to like focus on that storyline and things like that so maybe they just didn't have i found it very interesting that that emerald was so good at kickball i love yeah i wanted to know more about why he's so good at kickball are you in a league what do you do on your weekends when you're not in the hamptons you know he looks athletic you know it's a relatively easy sport to pick up i suppose but i want him back another season and i want to know more about him i think he deserves another shot i mean he's at least willing to be messy i've heard everyone every like all the rumors i've heard online about emerald are that he's a really really sweet guy like he's apparently like an angel in the streets and a devil in the sheets is what I've heard nope that's what I've heard

Speaker 2 but like in a but in a way where like he communicates with everybody like no girl who's like hooked up with Emeril has ever been like he played me it's always like yeah we had sex and it was great have sex yeah he seems like very very like aware of what he's doing and like communicates that with everyone to make them comfortable and he does it and then he's a nice guy i love that he can serve clothes that's for sure he seems like a good communicator even from the small stuff we've seen.

Speaker 7 Like the way that Siara was talking to him, she couldn't have talked to me like that. She was very passive-aggressive, rude, in my opinion.

Speaker 7 And the way that Paige even threw out the STD test, I mean, he's a man, so of course he's not going to yell at these women or anything like that, but you could not talk to me crazy like that.

Speaker 7 He communicates very, very well in those moments. So all, you know, I would like to see more of him.

Speaker 7 Even when he was talking about his cousins coming from Bangladesh and at the Shabbat dinner, and they said, Sierra says, tell us that you love us in Bengali.

Speaker 7 And he said it, and no one seemed impressed besides Sierra. It's like, oh, they're not like, I don't know, people didn't seem excited about him.
Yeah. You know, in the same way.

Speaker 7 Whereas like when Jesse sang, and obviously he was singing, so it's not exactly the same, the Shabbat prayer. It was more like a big reaction to him.

Speaker 7 I think just, I don't know that Emerald's just getting the same chance. That's all.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
Uh, Ray, this has been so much fun. Uh, thank you.
Come back for having me. Yeah, you have great takes.
You guys have fun.

Speaker 2 Can you let my audience know where they can find you, follow you, uh, plug anything you want to plug?

Speaker 7 Yes, yes, yes. You can find me on Twitter at Ray Sani, R-A-E-S-A-N-N-I, and I'm on Instagram at Ray Sani87.

Speaker 7 I shouldn't tell people how old I am, but Instagram won't let me take that 87 off. So that's it.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 7 I'm going to skip up around New York. You know.

Speaker 2 All right, right. Well,

Speaker 2 whenever you're in L.A., let us know. Otherwise, we'll just have you zoom in again.

Speaker 7 Oh, for sure, for sure. Thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 2 My pleasure. Thank you for taking the time.
Bye. Bye-bye.

Speaker 7 All right, you guys. Bye.

Speaker 2 Great takes. Great takes.
Love.

Speaker 2 I thought it was, before we get to Humble Brag, I thought it was just really interesting to hear Paige

Speaker 2 just talk about her relationship with Greg in a sense that like how she has like kind of everything's happening for her right now and she's never felt more anxious. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, the implication is that she, obviously, this has to do with her feelings towards Craig or lack thereof, but like it is just really interesting that feeling.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, right now, I feel like, you know, just in my life or our life, like, you know, there's professionally, like, I've never felt like more.

Speaker 2 both like excited and at the same time more anxious, you know, but and I also think it's just a normal feeling. It's higher stakes.
It's higher stakes. You feel like you have more to lose.

Speaker 2 It's like, you know, especially if you're someone who's like never been to the place that you've gotten to. Right.
You know, and then you're like, holy shit. You're just like, don't fuck it up.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm just like, and it seems like Paige and Craig, we've talked about it at nauseum. We've talked about how it's a lack of compatibility.
But like, I just, I just hope that.

Speaker 2 this time in Paige's life with all the things that are going on in her life and all the good things that she she didn't overthink her relationship with Craig. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 And maybe like her anxiety is coming from,

Speaker 2 who knows, right? Like, you know, maybe it is coming from her relationship with Craig.

Speaker 2 Maybe she is, in fact, listening to her body finally and it's telling her, Hey, Craig is great, but he's not my guy. Right.

Speaker 2 You know, but it's just from personal experience, I know that like having a lot of great things happen for you in a lot of aspects of your life, like you think you're supposed to feel one way only to feel another.

Speaker 2 And it's, it's a, it's a very weird, fucked up feeling to have. And I just watching Paige talk about that feeling I I related to

Speaker 2 and I just I very much hope that like it's not one of those things where she looks back a couple years from now and says as imperfect as we were I had a good thing with the guy So I don't know having anxiety and going to be alone and then hearing someone fucking Yeah,

Speaker 3 that would actually send me over the edge.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I would have been banging on the wall like shut up And you could tell she was so angry like you could see the anxiety just on her face like coming through her skin and she's like I have to be alone.

Speaker 3 I'm clearing off this bed. I'm getting in this bed.
I need silence. Like, I need to, and then like the thumping and the fake moaning, I, it would, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. As someone who's, whose next door neighbor tends to at times have very loud performative sex, it's, it's literally the most infuriating thing.
Fake moaning is brutal. It's pretty, yeah.

Speaker 3 Do we need this? Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 You're just trying to like

Speaker 2 you're literally just trying to have like your at-home cry where no one's around.

Speaker 7 And then you're, anyway.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. Up next, the ladies from Humble Bragg join us.

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Speaker 4 I'm obviously very like excited about. Yeah, these things.
They're very, I don't know why. So like, yeah.
So

Speaker 2 anyways, Crystal and Cynthia, welcome back.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 We had real structure on humble.

Speaker 2 We were talking about, these are laboo boos. Labooboo.
Labooboo. Yes.
Labooboo. And you have one.
Isn't he cute?

Speaker 2 I will say, I've been playing one with one for the past three minutes and I am a little into it.

Speaker 3 So you're a fan of like the purse charms, the bag charms.

Speaker 2 It's very Asian. This is like the new troll.

Speaker 4 Yes. Yes.
And so.

Speaker 2 My dad used to collect trolls. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And it's like a thing.

Speaker 4 And like, as a kid, like my, I didn't have money to like, my parents wouldn't like lean into like stuff like this um but what was very like i you know i was in i went to college in china for a year and so what got really popular were like cell phone beads and chains right so like asian culture is very like childish like we like little kitty things so everything's hanging and then people started hanging like stuffed animals off their phone so this is like very not a big deal

Speaker 2 but this is a chinese company called i don't not it's not sponsored or anything i just but if you hear me i love you so you don't work for them to just i don't work for them i just give them a lot of money so aren't we in a trade war

Speaker 4 well i'm chinese so i get to bypass all of that in fact rob's on the way to china right now

Speaker 4 yes lucy's driving to the airport and i have given him very clear instructions he's like i'm not going but sabrina who's our friend she actually came and recorded with us once like she just sat in there but she's meeting him there in beijing and i she's bringing an empty suitcase to fill it up with laboo boos oh can we get one for River?

Speaker 4 I will give you one. I will buy River one.

Speaker 2 I'll buy one.

Speaker 2 You're going to buy all of them.

Speaker 3 You're going to get obsessed.

Speaker 2 No, they're super rich. Let her buy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not rich. I've learned to not say I'm rich because she gets all the free stuff.

Speaker 4 I don't get free stuff. So.

Speaker 2 Like the first time you brought it up, I just played along and just tried to be cool and act like I knew what you were talking about, but it won't go away. You like brought like a bag full today.

Speaker 2 I'm like, okay, this is happening. So what is this? And why am I holding it? Okay.
So and why do we care?

Speaker 4 So Pop Mart is a store and the guy, this 36, seven-year-old Chinese guy who created, created this company,

Speaker 4 they're like sealed.

Speaker 2 I mean, adorable.

Speaker 2 That's cute. Nick, you've never looked cuter.
That is adorable.

Speaker 4 And so they're sealed. Like you open the box and you don't know what color you get.

Speaker 3 So it's, it's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Surprise.

Speaker 4 So that it's a surprise toy.

Speaker 4 So he kind of created this thing. And I think what I read is that he might be, it's probably not the riches, but he's multi, multi-billionaire, multi-billionaire.

Speaker 4 So they create, they have like licenses with like Disney and stuff like that. They create, it's almost like not the bobbleheads, the, you know, the ones with the big head characters?

Speaker 3 Funky, funk pops.

Speaker 2 The pop head, they call it. Yeah.
Funky. Funk the pops.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys remember

Speaker 2 garbage pail kids?

Speaker 4 Of course. I just heard that yesterday.
Garbage pail kids.

Speaker 2 I know. I'm learning at this.

Speaker 4 Okay, I love toys. I have a 25.
So anyway, so this, these ones I'm holding is the, they're called cribables.

Speaker 2 I'm not getting an inflammatory. I know.
I know. And you love toys.
And you ain't sure you don't worry about it. And if you call right now, I feel

Speaker 4 So labooboo became this crazy, crazy, everyone's trying to find them. They're all over the streets.
They're all the foofus now.

Speaker 2 Can you buy them in America?

Speaker 4 So you have to wait in line.

Speaker 4 And if they refill, they're gone in seconds. If you go on TikTok, you'll see people wait nine hours in line.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 But what happened was when we were in Spain for spring break, Zoe seemed to think that she was going to find one. She was very committed to finding one in Spain.

Speaker 4 I was like, you're never going to find one. We walked by this store.
We walked by twice over the week, but they were, and then all of a sudden there's a laboo boo at the window.

Speaker 4 We started screaming, all of us. We ran in.

Speaker 2 Even Rob. Even Rob.
He screamed the loudest.

Speaker 4 Let me tell you, he's like, what? And by the way, we had found this one, the the cry babies, which is popular, but not like a laboo boo.

Speaker 4 And Zoe goes, dad, look what I bought today. Cause he was at the hotel working.
And he goes, oh, cute. And she's like, we only spent $65.

Speaker 3 And Rob's like, what did you spend on that thing?

Speaker 4 I was like, you're not supposed to tell him the price. But I felt very excited about it because I knew it was worth double, right? Because I'm a value person.
So I'm obviously very excited.

Speaker 4 I'm like shaking because I'm super excited. Like, Rob's going to bring home a bunch.
So, anyway, so we see this store. We run in and the guy in Spain happens to be Chinese.
He's like Spanish Chinese.

Speaker 4 And I saw him talking Chinese. I'm like, is that real? He goes, it's real.
And I was like, oh my God. And he goes, we have a new shipment.

Speaker 4 We have, we have two new box, like three boxes of six, and they're behind him.

Speaker 4 By the time I, he, we get to that sentence, there is a guy coming around and starts grabbing, there's like laboo boo keychains. He starts not even making, just pulling them all off, all off.

Speaker 4 And then another guy comes behind me, goes, are you taking those? I'm like, yes, we're taking all of them. And then I look at Rob, I'm like, everyone's here to buy them.
He goes, buy them all.

Speaker 2 Like, cause suddenly now we're like under pressure.

Speaker 4 And all of a sudden, people just start like surrounding us to buy them. It was crazy.
So like now I'm like, oh man, this is really coveted. I need all of them.
So we hand carried.

Speaker 3 Like we, I, I usually divorce Rob if he's like, I forgot to buy some.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. And I got super busy and I just like forgot.
With an empty suit.

Speaker 4 The papers are ready.

Speaker 4 But don't worry. He knows.
He doesn't want the wrath of me.

Speaker 4 He's very aware. He's like, he even said, I'll hand carry them home because the kids don't want the box.
I know you're looking at me like I'm a crazy person.

Speaker 2 Look how cute.

Speaker 2 Look at he was protecting you. What's his name?

Speaker 4 We haven't named him yet.

Speaker 2 I have a question. So exactly me.

Speaker 2 I just like that you can, you, you the like you can do you take the hat off yeah you can so that one is a capybara um outfit that max found with at that store but you can go on etsy and they have yeah so what's your question all right i have a question so just so i'm clear because i've never heard of this until right now a week ago and then you brought it back up again and now i'm holding one these are not just for children grown adults collect these as well Yes, they're collectors items.

Speaker 2 Now Crystal's like, what do you think I am? Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, but I thought you were just buying them to sell them to children no okay so no okay that's the other part of the story so when we bought all of them sounded weird again to sell them i thought you bought them to sell them to kids okay so i mean it's a toy at the end of the day am i not am i crazy is this not like a little cute stuff it is a toy so yes you've brought up something that's very important so when we bought 18 of them because there were three packs of six I had said to Rob, okay, here's the, because he's like, this is crazy.

Speaker 4 It's very expensive. So I said to Rob, this is what I'll do because you can sell them for like three, four times online.

Speaker 4 So I said, i'll sell as many as i need to to recoup the money and the rest we get to keep he goes fine so literally yesterday he said how many have you sold and i haven't even put them on yet

Speaker 4 you already knew that answer because i i can't what if okay there's us the surprise one which is the dark brown one it's like which one do we sell well that's a problem because you don't know what's inside

Speaker 4 So if I sell the magic one, which is the dark brown one, that would cover it.

Speaker 2 It's like selling a lottery ticket you haven't scratched off yet.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Wow. I understand your plight.
So now the magic one.

Speaker 4 So there's a really special one that's dark brown. And I obviously

Speaker 4 meet him. And Max is because it's like rare, super rare to get that.
Okay. So Max is literally like, what if we sell the brown one? What, like, we're going to feel so bad.

Speaker 4 I'm like, well, we won't really know.

Speaker 3 Just open them up and then staple them back.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 4 But by the way, you know, you could also sell them and video, like people will pre-buy them and let you unbox it with them on zoom do you ever think you'd leave housewives to haul kids toys why do you think i left

Speaker 4 now you discovered what i could do do you feel like if this if you were still on and you were like talking to the women about this do you think they would also get involved i mean i think they would try to to get that bag but i'm not no but i would probably gift it to them on the show what about the clothes just to feel really like i'm really like you are trying to get a sopra yeah

Speaker 2 there you go so anyways but i'm not giving any of these away but what about clothes i I thought it was like, I saw something like they had clothes. Like you'd like cheap.

Speaker 2 Like, where do you buy their Gucci?

Speaker 4 So it's not real Gucci. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's the outfit.

Speaker 2 So this one's. So it comes with, you have the option to buy the bear or whatever this is.
And then

Speaker 2 the thing. What is this? What is this animal? It's a labooboo.
But what's a labo-boo? Like, what is he's his own person? He's not a bear. Okay.
Well, it's a laboo. It's my mythical creature.

Speaker 2 It's a mythical creature.

Speaker 3 Wait, so you're not holding cherries.

Speaker 2 Got it. But where do I buy his clothes? What is that? It looks like cherries.
It is cherries. Yeah.
Yeah. They're called cherry cry babies.
Yes, twins. Yes, of course.
Where do I buy the clothes?

Speaker 4 I mean, I wanted Natalie.

Speaker 2 Please. Mine doesn't have clothes.
If I want to get clothes,

Speaker 4 we have an outfit. We have a Panda outfit for him.
But Max didn't like the Panda outfit.

Speaker 4 So that's the one Zoe's, actually.

Speaker 2 This one's you can buy a bunch with the extra $160,000 you want on to get out. That's true.
I could start a business as well. Do you need a partner? Well, I might.

Speaker 2 I've recently came into a big sum of money.

Speaker 3 And I've recently lost a lot.

Speaker 2 I've been made selling buying these.

Speaker 4 So yes, let's let's, where's your money? We should talk.

Speaker 2 Have you seen your paid yet? I can confirm that I have not actually, the money has not hit my account. Okay.

Speaker 2 But I will be seeing the cast tomorrow at a huge Hulu event, Forgot to Get Out. And that is

Speaker 2 something that I will be asking.

Speaker 2 But I mean, it's kind of like, I mean, I know it's coming. I mean,

Speaker 2 Hulu do not want to to smoke?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they

Speaker 2 want to smoke with me. I know it's coming.
And the great thing about it is my partner, Stein, is, you know, he's very trustworthy. Like, I felt like that was part of picking.
Which one was he?

Speaker 2 He was the one that ran. Like, I used his legs to get out because I couldn't get out.

Speaker 4 But does he technically get the money?

Speaker 2 Well, see, I was actually running out of time.

Speaker 3 We were just trusting that.

Speaker 2 I did it with you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But did you run out together or did he

Speaker 2 have the point of getting him? If I could run out, I would have did it myself and just escaped by myself.

Speaker 3 So he's technically the winner.

Speaker 2 kind of sort of you just didn't push that button fast enough so maybe i did not i pushed i did i pushed it after you got out but was uh i forget his name was he a paparazzi who the he was like a writer the guy yeah he was called the writer oh he's the first one that tried to escape steve steve he tried to get out in a garbage can it looked like it looked like hulu cassette a paparazzi and i was like no he actually works for he's a journalist So

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 okay. He was relentless.
Steve was actually really Star Magazine. Yeah.
But it was a fun game. Like, you guys should all do the show.
I'm sure it's going to get a second season.

Speaker 2 Everybody's talking about it. I don't even believe I want.

Speaker 4 She always says that to me, like, oh, you should do that show.

Speaker 2 I'm like, they're not offering me this. They know what offers.
If I keep saying for her, I'm like, if I keep putting it into the universe, they're going to call. I'm like, wait a minute.

Speaker 4 Like, you get shows. You get offered.
I don't get offered anything.

Speaker 3 Because you keep saying how you're so booked and busy with the laboobus.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're.

Speaker 4 I need money.

Speaker 2 People should be. And you pay for these things.
And I feel like I'm cheaper than you. Would you do traders? Yeah.
We talk about it every episode. Every day.

Speaker 4 Yes. I think I'd be a great trader for sure.

Speaker 2 Because I'd walk around like dolls.

Speaker 4 People think like the girl's so stupid and like whatever. And then I would just like

Speaker 2 behind their back,

Speaker 2 but it couldn't happen.

Speaker 4 I hope you passed my name along. I did.

Speaker 2 And it didn't go well. I don't have that much power, you know.
Well, that's next season.

Speaker 2 Would you do it later? I've been wanting to do it. Yes.
I've been asked in the past. It's just, I haven't been able to make it work with the sketch, you know?

Speaker 2 Would you want to be a trader or a faithful?

Speaker 2 I think it'd be fun to try either. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think I'm better at finding liars and being a liar.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Can I tell you, I would, if I was on your season, I would assume that you were a traitor.

Speaker 4 That's why I think it'd be better if you were faithful because you would have to constantly prove your, I would just think you're a traitor automatically.

Speaker 2 I think I would go in with a target in my back. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 Don't you think? But I also think the only thing I have going for me is like I'm kind of an obvious. I'm too obvious.

Speaker 2 Like the same reason Wells got out episode one is because everyone was like, oh, there's no way he's a traitor. So let's call him a traitor.
traitor.

Speaker 2 He's like the affable guy that everyone doesn't suspect, where a lot of people it would be the opposite. Right.
I think a lot of people would suspect me. Well, that could still get me in trouble.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 did you hear what she said? Oh, I just said you had traitor energy.

Speaker 2 Fuck you.

Speaker 2 I didn't want that to say.

Speaker 2 Which will make, I mean, it's really a compliment if you want to do the show. Kenya kind of said fuck you to you.

Speaker 2 Oh, God. Oh.
Okay. Can we just go back to traitors really?

Speaker 2 That transition. I thought his was a conceit that I'm not getting in.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. This is my seat.
This is awesome.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. But let's talk about a lot of housewife.

Speaker 2 I won't talk about a lot of housewives.

Speaker 2 I won't talk about got to get out and I won't talk about traders. But this is what I don't like about traders.
You guys didn't ask.

Speaker 2 Well, you didn't ask, but I'd just like to just say,

Speaker 2 if I was on the show, which I hope I get to do it one day as well, I don't like if I'm casted as a faithful and then I become a trader later.

Speaker 2 Like, I just want to be a faithful or I want to be a traitor. I don't like when they do that.
Usually you have the option. Like, only

Speaker 2 to say no, yeah. We usually have the option to say no.
I think this season.

Speaker 3 I think there's like one opportunity early on where you can bring in somebody or kill someone. And then the final time that that happens, it's either you accept being a traitor or you go home.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You have to accept.

Speaker 2 So you don't. You have to.

Speaker 2 Everybody always accepts. I just thought you just had to accept.
Did anyone not accept? Didn't Peter Weber wrote your life? Oh, he didn't. Oh, he didn't accept.
Often they don't accept. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Peter Weber didn't last last season. Well, as you can see, I'm not a mastermind with these competition shows.
I just somehow. Well, it really is fake.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, Netflix had a Million Dollar Secret.

Speaker 2 I just watched that. It's good.
It's good.

Speaker 2 That was just. I want to do that.

Speaker 2 How did you like being mixed up with other reality TV stars and then half Normie's? Oh, I thought that was great. I thought that was the perfect mixture for you.
What did you like about that version?

Speaker 2 Well, I liked that the people that we did, that I did know, they were all interesting and I got to know them.

Speaker 2 And then it was like, I've never worked with, like, I've worked with Cam on Housewives of Atlanta, but we were never like super friendly on Housewives. So we were roommates.

Speaker 2 I got to actually get to know her. And I really liked her.
And I'm going to see her tomorrow for the Hulu event or whatever.

Speaker 2 And I know Omar Rosa, but I've never like slept in a twin-sized bed right beside her before. So, and she's like, you know, she was when she walked in, I was like, oh, shit, shit just got real.

Speaker 2 Cause she's good.

Speaker 2 And, but she was like super nice and like normal. Like as soon as she walked in, she was like, I got you, sis.
And I was like. Thank you, Lord.
But anyway, yeah. What'd you think of Spencer Pratt?

Speaker 4 Oh, Spencer was great.

Speaker 2 I actually didn't really know who he was, but everybody kept saying Spencer Pratt is in here. Like, I just don't know.
If I know you, I know you. If I don't, I don't.

Speaker 2 And I love him, but I just didn't know that he was like Spencer Pratt. So I didn't really focus on him a lot.
He was kind of like a loner in there.

Speaker 2 And then when I saw the show, of course, he was like doing the most, but I just always saw him walking around looking for clues. I didn't even know he was really in play half of the time.

Speaker 2 He just was kind of doing his own thing. But I had my eye on my guy that got us out.
We were the only ones to actually get out of the house.

Speaker 2 And I liked him because he was like a little, he was quiet, very unassuming. But when I did talk to him, he did mention that he was like, you know, a big adventure guy.

Speaker 2 He's always like jumping off cliffs and going to all these crazy, dangerous locations and doing all kinds of dangerous stuff.

Speaker 2 And I was like, well, if he can do all that, he can run his ass out of this down this driveway and get out the gate.

Speaker 2 I was over crying. Why are you laughing?

Speaker 2 What? My headphones are wrong. What? I thought you did that on purpose.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 I can't hear that well. She's not wearing them.
Oh Lord. She put the speaker.
I had worse. I had a late flight.

Speaker 3 It was in case you wanted to hear it.

Speaker 2 She wanted to hear it. This is much better.
This is much better.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right.
Well, Benny, can we start over? No, sorry. I didn't hear the half part.

Speaker 3 So Kenya said, fuck you. And

Speaker 2 yes,

Speaker 2 she didn't.

Speaker 3 She said, let's not talk about Cynthia. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Thank you. So that was good.
I actually like that. I can't see for you.
Oh, okay. I love that.
For me, I didn't take that as necessarily talking shit. Really? I didn't either.

Speaker 2 Well, she didn't take that as an activity. I'm grateful for it.
Yeah. Well, no, I see what you mean.

Speaker 4 I think she was a little upset, but I also, it's like, I'm not even going to go there right now. But I will say, I didn't really, I just watched the clip.
I didn't watch a thing.

Speaker 4 But man, the comments were very not positive to Canada. They were like, enough already, enough.

Speaker 2 What were they saying? Editing. Quadrupling down.

Speaker 4 She acted like it was a confessional, essentially. Right.
And,

Speaker 2 but.

Speaker 4 Like, every time I see stuff like that happen, I'm reminded how quickly the audience moves on. Like, two weeks ago, it was Team Kenya, da, da, da.
Two weeks later, it's like, oh, God, enough already.

Speaker 4 We don't care. We've moved on.
Like, and it's sad because it's like her life. And it's like, we all go through that, but like audience is very quick.
They are done with her.

Speaker 3 Did you watch this most recent episode of Atlanta?

Speaker 2 I did. You did? Yes.

Speaker 3 Did you also find it

Speaker 3 absolutely laughable that Drew was trying to compare her like, people have talked about me. I understand what you're going through to Brit, after all of her being like, no, I get it.

Speaker 3 I get what you're going through. Like, people have talked about me online too.

Speaker 3 Those definitely aren't the same, though. Like,

Speaker 2 having your naked nose on a poster board and, like, people being like, performing Felatio, no, it's not the same. I mean,

Speaker 2 as a housewife, you know, we've all been talked about and dragged to a certain degree. Totally.

Speaker 2 But I think if I had to pick one thing I wouldn't want to happen to me, it would be someone showing me doing performing fallatio. So, well, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Is Kenya just going to be like, shouldn't have done it? I don't know. Why?

Speaker 2 Listen, I have done

Speaker 2 my last interview really speaking about it, to be honest, because I get asked about it all the time. And I've just already said what I've said.
So I don't know. I don't really know.

Speaker 2 It's just like Kenya just keeps talking

Speaker 2 and going.

Speaker 2 What do you make of Drew's divorce? Do you feel like she has something to hide or Ralph has something to hide when it comes to?

Speaker 2 It didn't make sense why she wanted to seal those documents so bad and then like blame it on Ralph's behavior.

Speaker 2 But then she was also like, no, no, no, it's all because of Ralph and he's done this and he's done that. And it's like, well, what are you trying to keep a secret?

Speaker 2 And then he was the one who wanted those documents unsealed. Did you think anything wrong?

Speaker 2 You know what? I've been married and divorced twice. And I was lucky enough for the men that I married to just let me be divorced and leave me alone after it wasn't working out anymore.

Speaker 2 So I'm so grateful for that. And then I see all these other divorces that are just so complicated.
Like I look at Drew and Ralph and I just thank God that I didn't marry Ralph. That's all I can say.

Speaker 2 Is he kind of a bum? No, he's, I love Ralph. He's a great guy.
I'm just glad I didn't marry him because I'm like,

Speaker 2 I just, listen, I'm a Pisces. I'm a lover of love.
When the shit is working, let it work. But when it's over, like they should just call it.
Like it just shouldn't take all of this.

Speaker 2 Like, no, we can't break up and you live in in the basement. Why does he know? I want you out of the house.
Like, I preferably want you out of the state if possible.

Speaker 3 And he's like excited to live in the basement. When that judge

Speaker 2 is going to be a nice person,

Speaker 2 it's just too much. It's just too much.
I feel like there's no point of separating and getting a divorce and still living in the same house. Like, I get the whole thing.

Speaker 2 Like, I think, you know, the focus should always be the kids and what's going to be good for the kids. But I'm like, if like, I just like a quick, like, just make it in, just make it stop.

Speaker 2 I just think it's just not good. And it just feels like it's just going, it's going to be worse.
Like, it just, it's just going down a rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 Did you feel like it was fucked up on Angela's part to invite Drew to the, to Portia's birthday trip in Nashville?

Speaker 2 Um, I understand what Angela was trying to do, but she's just still getting, she's still getting no Portia. I know Portia more than I know Angela.

Speaker 2 And I know like for Portia's birthday, when Portia's not fucking with you, she's not fucking with you.

Speaker 3 So I felt bad.

Speaker 2 I loved what Angela was trying to do, but I felt bad for Drew because I knew when she showed up, you know, it was not going to be a very welcoming situation for her.

Speaker 3 But also to have everyone in Nashville talking about Drew coming and then pan to Drew back in Atlanta FaceTiming Dennis.

Speaker 3 I was like, oh, that's okay. That's one way to go.
You know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yep. There was that.

Speaker 3 She's, she's not done

Speaker 3 in the dentist space.

Speaker 2 Look, I, if, if, okay, we're on a TV show.

Speaker 2 We're, we're going on a cast trip.

Speaker 2 We want all the cast to be.

Speaker 3 Yeah. But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 If a cast member is telling me, I do not want Cynthia to come. Matter of fact, they don't invite me.
They make it very clear they don't want me to come.

Speaker 2 There's scenes with people telling me that she doesn't want me to come. I'm going to try my best to fight not to be there, to be honest.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I know I'm walking into a very uncomfortable situation. That's true.
So that's true. And Portia was, I don't know who said it.
They're like, that's not what it's about.

Speaker 2 And she's like, it's about me. It's my birthday.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 which, I mean, it was, it was a birthday and it was a birthday celebration.

Speaker 2 And I think for your birthday celebration, you should get to be around the people that you, you know, curate the list to be around. Yeah, it was like.

Speaker 3 Angela had good intent of being like, very much so. This is a peace trip.
And then Portia's like, this isn't a peace trip. We had a peace brunch.
That didn't work very well.

Speaker 2 This is my day.

Speaker 2 That was far from being a peace brunch. Yeah.
No, that was crazy.

Speaker 2 Crystal, how now that

Speaker 2 the whole season leave me alone about it all.

Speaker 2 You are a housewife. I know.

Speaker 2 I am a friend of the show.

Speaker 2 Which means that I actually should have a very limited amount of smoke when it comes to real housewife. I'm not sure if you're a man who has these types of appearances because you're

Speaker 2 your name is

Speaker 2 no you see a little laboo boo in his hand this is not a peach

Speaker 2 do not ask me peach questions

Speaker 3 you're asking me housewife questions when i'm a friend wait cynthia though you have to admit you have you have more confessionals and like airtime than a friend of i have ever seen

Speaker 2 they made you amazing okay okay that's true i i am i am i am a special friend

Speaker 2 i will say that i do get good treatment i do but i think that's just an og thing. It's just a respect thing.

Speaker 2 And that's pretty cool. I mean, I mean, I was on the show.
I was a housewife for over a decade. So thank you for throwing me like the respect.

Speaker 4 So that's why we want to know your opinion.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're like the omniscient narrative. I've been giving my opinion.

Speaker 2 Like, I literally have been on a press store and I've been talking about this for two weeks and I just can't talk about it anymore.

Speaker 2 And of course, like no one's going to be like, oh, they just keep asking Cynthia this.

Speaker 2 Like the people on social media literally think I just want to get up and put my wig on and my CB Vora hat on and talk about this all day long. No, we are.

Speaker 2 Like you were guys pulling the words out of my mouth. Yes.

Speaker 2 We're bullies. Yes.

Speaker 2 I'm so being bullied today.

Speaker 2 And I keep making it every time I do an interview. I'm like, so I'm just putting it out there that this is my last time talking about the situation.

Speaker 2 And every time I'm in another interview going, this is my last time talking about this situation. It's Kenya's fault.
But this is it.

Speaker 2 Look. Yeah.
It's Kenny's fault.

Speaker 3 This is really the last time.

Speaker 2 Like, at this point, I love Crystal talking about it. Like, you have some good points because you actually go and you read and you like, you know, look at all the things.
And then you're

Speaker 2 it's kind of like how I did for Beverly Hills. Like, this is my thing where I'm like, I want to talk about this.
This is someone that I, you know, was like really good friends with.

Speaker 2 All right, Crystal.

Speaker 3 Is yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 put Crystal's ass in the hot seat.

Speaker 3 Do you think there's going to be a blow-up response to Porsche's friend alleging Drew sucked Dennis's dick?

Speaker 2 Oh, I forgot that. That was sad on there.
Oh, it's a teaser for next week. She said, and then it was like,

Speaker 3 Porsche's friend at the table in Nashville. Yeah.
Accuses Drew sucked Dennis's Dennis's dick. And then in Porsche's confessional, she's like, Yeah, he would be like, They just gave me head.

Speaker 3 Well, they just gave me head. And they just gave me head.
Like, she admitted that.

Speaker 4 I think it's always going to have, I was going to say blowback, but that was a weird

Speaker 2 word.

Speaker 2 No pun intended. But yes,

Speaker 2 of course.

Speaker 4 But again, I think this is going to be one week and then the next things. Like, that's what's crazy about this show, especially Atlanta.

Speaker 4 Like, you guys are so heightened and like crazy things happen, but everyone moves on to the next thing. They really do.
But like, if that happened on Beverly Hills, it would be the entire season.

Speaker 2 It'd be three.

Speaker 2 I can't even imagine

Speaker 2 getting dick sucked in on Beverly Hills. Oh, no.
Kyle won't even talk about being next to Morgan. I know.
And Atlanta's over here just doing you all crazy over there.

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 2 sucking, and I won't say that. See, when you get her, like, relax, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 Cynthia's nuts.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, no, because I'm like, I've had like three hours of sleep. So you don't take advantage of her.
I know.

Speaker 2 We will always want you to talk some tea. I know.

Speaker 3 I know. What about Britt alleging that Angela's husband had a baby on her?

Speaker 2 This is crazy stuff. What have you got on that?

Speaker 2 What about that? What about memes?

Speaker 4 There's called DNA test, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know. This shit's so crazy.

Speaker 4 I can't even, what you're saying sounds like a soap opera.

Speaker 2 It's wild. It doesn't even sound like real one.
And this is all one episode. All in one.
And I think we're only like episode five or six.

Speaker 4 But that you guys are able to sort of bypass like i also feel that too it's like you're everyone still like stands all the girls on the show it's like these things are massive accusations they're massive life altering things like I don't even, I mean, leather pants to me affected me for many years.

Speaker 4 Like this.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. That's such low-hanging fruit for a living.

Speaker 2 I wish somebody would talk about my leather pants. Yeah.
I'm like, I was very conscious of wearing leather for like three years. I'm like, I could never handle it.
Do you still have those pants?

Speaker 2 Hell yeah.

Speaker 4 Rob, like, is like, will not let me wear them because he wants them protected.

Speaker 2 In a case, yes. They're in a laboo case.
That's what you need to be selling. I feel like you get a lot of money for those leather pants.
They're like famous.

Speaker 4 They are famous.

Speaker 2 They are. Yes, they are.
Crystal.

Speaker 3 Yes. Garcel has unfollowed the entire Real House Bets of Beverly Hills cast.

Speaker 2 Does she still follow you? Including Suttons. She still follows you.
Yes. Okay.
Yes. Have you heard from Garcelle?

Speaker 4 I talked to her

Speaker 4 the day of

Speaker 4 the announcement.

Speaker 2 Okay. yeah, so right away,

Speaker 4 right after I saw it, and then I messaged her, and then she called me when we were in Marco.

Speaker 4 We talked for a little bit, and that was it.

Speaker 2 Could you put some context around her exit?

Speaker 4 No, because I didn't ask her about it, you know, because I know what it feels like, it's too new, it was just more of like, hope you're great, thank you. It was time that was it.

Speaker 4 It was very, and I'm not pushing anybody because, like, it took me months to even mention it, but like your exit was pretty

Speaker 2 calm, and yeah, it just was more like, I'm not coming back, I'm not coming back. Yeah, you know, but yeah, so enjoyed the run.
Correct.

Speaker 4 Like, so even, so for me, it was tough enough to deal with it. So, with her being kind of public, and then obviously from what I saw, she felt quite betrayed by Sutton and the girl.

Speaker 2 Not necessarily the girls, but it seemed centered around Sutton.

Speaker 4 Yes, that's what I mean. It seemed very much about Sutton.
So, the last thing you I need to do is probe someone about that. I saw it.

Speaker 2 It's like, you know, but yeah, she apparently she still follows Jennifer from Kathy, which makes makes sense yeah but i wasn't even there this year so it's do you think it's centered around sutton yes or or is it a combination of like did she quit the show because of this feud with sun i guess i or is it or is she ready to be dumb because that was like her last friend yeah and if her last friend doesn't have her back that's why i stay on the show i think her in the moment because you know and you could speak to this you've done so many

Speaker 2 you just said

Speaker 2 you just said i really no no no but i'm saying about reunions. Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 There is, you can't even describe walking into a reunion. The stress, the pressure, the fear, the anxiety that you have is so heightened.
Like it's really, really stressful because it is

Speaker 4 like, it's just standing in front of a firing squad the whole time. And so when you go in there, you're, you know, you know, the packages, right?

Speaker 4 It's like you're a little package and then everyone comes for you. Like you need someone to help you.
And if you're on your own, you got to be really strong to be on your own.

Speaker 4 You got, I mean, I'm not like I, I, and I always felt alone, but like, that's why I kind of shut down a lot until I felt really strongly about something. But like,

Speaker 4 I mean, Garcel has rode for Sutton for so long

Speaker 4 in almost

Speaker 4 like, I'm just want to be careful of my words. I just, sometimes it wasn't warranted.

Speaker 2 And she was like having Sutton's back. Yeah.
She was principal, like out of being her friend. Out of being her friend.
Sutton was right. Right.

Speaker 4 And there's a lot of people that do that. And I think that's great for that kind of friendship.
And there's people who are like going to call someone out.

Speaker 4 And she really, and I think not only that, Sutton, again, I haven't, to be honest, I didn't watch it. I've just seen clips, but the clips are enough.

Speaker 4 No, I'm saying I didn't see the whole context of the episodes. But from what I saw, it seemed like she was on her own and Sutton didn't defend her.

Speaker 4 On top of that, not defending her to the women that she felt like were against the two of them together.

Speaker 4 And then all of a sudden, so in her mind, I imagine it's like, oh, wait, are you now, not only did you not defend me for me, but like, are you now part of them?

Speaker 4 And so she, you can't move forward like that. I get that.
Like, you can't, I would not go back if I really felt like I was on an island like that.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like Garcelle was invalid?

Speaker 3 And because this is her, she's gone to several reunions, she knows how it works, to expect the women to smile at her and connect with with her throughout the reunion knowing that everyone is on edge and nervous.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I saw this mild comment.

Speaker 4 It's hard for me to think that that was the only thing that happened. I think that was like used to like explain.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I kind of wonder if

Speaker 2 that was a soundbite without context.

Speaker 4 But I think what she really was feeling was like, I walked in and I could. Like you were saying, you know, you say you go into an event.
She's like, leave. I'm not here.

Speaker 2 No, I'm good.

Speaker 4 I'm referring to what you're saying. It's like when you go to an event and no one's looking you in the eye

Speaker 4 and you're like, wait a minute, when you're not really, you didn't expect to be like the one being shot at. You're like, wait, what's happening?

Speaker 2 And so that feeling usually means you're, you are the target.

Speaker 3 You're the target.

Speaker 4 And I think that she, based on her, them using that is showing that she wasn't expecting to be the target. So she was really surprised and was, um, she felt, she felt surprised.

Speaker 4 Like she wasn't expecting that.

Speaker 2 So that's another

Speaker 2 thing that the the audience members are are struggling with is um garcel kind of standing her ground when it came to her opinion about dereit and the whole robbery of it all and like honestly like as a fan of the show i've had the opinion that that whole situation is murky is murky shady questionable

Speaker 2 and as fans i just feel like it's one thing for us to speculate and talk about things we watch on a show. And we know that like in that group, it seems like a lot of people have speculated.

Speaker 2 But even like there's a, there's just a difference between housewives getting together as friends or fans talking online about rumors versus actual housewives who are part of these groups going on these shows and then saying, I think this and I, you know, and I, that's just how I feel.

Speaker 2 You know, and I think a lot of the audience members are struggling with like whether they agree with Garcel's opinion or not, just recognizing that like you're still kind of accusing her of like a fraud.

Speaker 2 a fraud yeah

Speaker 2 on television

Speaker 2 i understand

Speaker 2 access to these people and it's just it's different than like gossiping in a group or or fans

Speaker 4 platforming these rumors and what are your what are your thoughts on that i see both sides for sure um i see that she's someone that that's how i think we talked about this one time i was here it was i said that's how she feels about this specific situation and all the audience wants is someone to be super honest about how they feel with that is going to get backlash.

Speaker 4 That's normal because a lot of people are saying that's too far.

Speaker 4 I think had she been instead of just saying that's how I feel, had she given sort of primary examples like dates and why she feels that way, you don't just feel that way about someone.

Speaker 4 I don't think that you did something fraudulent because I have a sense like, you know, and so like when it came to like the Erica stuff, you know, we had talked about different articles coming out, different lawsuits.

Speaker 4 And so like no one really pushed back on us when we did that. It was like, this is our opinion based on this specific information.
We're not bringing it up out of thin air.

Speaker 4 And we talked about those things. I think this situation was like, it was thrown out, but it wasn't actually

Speaker 4 dissected enough as to why.

Speaker 4 Not to say that it, that's, you know, it's real or anything like that, but I'm just saying, like, had she said those things, well, I saw, you know, these things were, you know, financial, financial issues were cleared up and da-da-da.

Speaker 4 I think maybe it would have resulted in, I don't know, it just, I don't know, that's what I feel.

Speaker 2 Well, the thing about the reunion, I'll just say this.

Speaker 2 Like, if you're going to put out any strong statements or feelings or thoughts or whatever, that's the time when you really have to be able to really back it up because we're all watching to see, okay, well, why do you feel this way?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And it just didn't seem like she had back.

Speaker 4 That's right. She just said, I feel this way.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's not enough.

Speaker 2 And at a reunion, that's just not enough. And she was almost seemed to to be waiting for whether it was Sutton or anyone else.

Speaker 4 Well, she wanted Sutton to say, I feel this way too.

Speaker 2 And because she probably knew her Sutton's opinion. Correct.

Speaker 4 Because they talk a lot. And I had said this, we did Carlos's King's pod.
And that was a question. I said, you know, his whole thing is, oh, there's an alliance.
I'm like, there's always an alliance.

Speaker 4 But they would like, they would say like, oh, the summer went to Greece together. We're not filming.

Speaker 2 Like, they're going on vacation. They're friends.

Speaker 4 So whatever they're talking about. And at the core of your friendship for the show tends to be about the show.
Like you're going to talk about, it's just, just takes over your life. It's just natural.

Speaker 4 And you're always going to talk about everybody and whatever and gossip. And so I think Arcel was expecting Sutton to back her up.
She did not prepare herself enough with the, with the information.

Speaker 4 She just wanted someone else to be there for her. And she wasn't.
So I think in that situation, she was like, oh, wait, you're going to throw me into the bus. Then I'm out.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Why do you think Sutton didn't back her up?

Speaker 4 Because she wants to be really close with Kyle. And I've said this out loud to Sutton, to everybody.
Like, you really want Kyle's approval.

Speaker 2 What has been Sutton's response to those?

Speaker 4 She's like, no, we're friends. Like, no, I, like, you know, I'm like, and I know you're friends, but, you know, you have to.

Speaker 2 Sutton's never like acknowledged what feels like a double standard to other people.

Speaker 4 No, I've never really, I mean, the other girls do that. Like, I remember like Erica and Renna, that was really the thing against Sutton.

Speaker 4 That wasn't my thing because I didn't experience it with that in that, with her. But I think she just really wants.
Because I think she felt secure in her friendship with Garcia.

Speaker 4 You know, it's like, you're like, this is good. This seed is watered enough.
I need to work on this.

Speaker 3 But then you killed the seed. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I get what Garcel's saying. When PK and Darit talk about their finances, it always sounds shady.

Speaker 2 You know, when Darit's saying things like, oh, no, no, no, we, we are paying our mortgage, but PK just like decided that, like, if they don't call me back, I'm not like, that's not how banks work.

Speaker 2 You know, it's like, that's, he also wears track suits, which I find to be.

Speaker 4 Is that your telltale side?

Speaker 2 You're shady with money. If you were, if you're an adult white man wearing full track suits, I don't know.
And you don't pay your bills on time. I don't, I don't trust you.
Wow. I don't know.

Speaker 4 White men who wear track suits are really catching straight into the no.

Speaker 3 Rob, take off the track suit on the way to Air Force.

Speaker 2 Rob doesn't strike me as a guy who's wearing a matching track suit.

Speaker 4 He's not.

Speaker 3 But in case he is.

Speaker 2 Do you miss it at all?

Speaker 4 Right now, no. Like today, particularly.
No, I started watching that

Speaker 4 documentary, which I want to talk about on Humble Brag. Which one? The dark, it's like, not the dark side of reality.
It's the one that just came out.

Speaker 4 And I just started the Housewives portion, Demon, Hollywood Demons. Oh.

Speaker 2 I'm not familiar. Should we be watching it? What's it on?

Speaker 4 On Max. On Max, I believe.
Yes. They have a whole episode on Housewives.

Speaker 4 So it's, and I think it's going to focus on. She was in Beverly Hills, went to Orange County.
Taylor.

Speaker 3 Taylor Armstrong. Oh, yes.
Yes.

Speaker 4 So there's a new documentary.

Speaker 4 I mean, the the way they, I mean, of course, it's like very salacious. And the way they open, you know, the dark documentary about the show.

Speaker 4 And it was like, oh, you know, it's like, they flash like, you know, like mug shots.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's like, I was like, whoa, like, this is not me.

Speaker 4 That's, I just felt today, you know, just today. Like, and I.
really am grateful for the experience, honestly.

Speaker 4 And there's parts of it that I miss, but this morning was like, whoa, like that's, I'm in a really good place.

Speaker 3 I have to say, that's one of like, I think a very underrated feeling of like going through something, leaving it and being really sad about leaving it and being like, I feel left out.

Speaker 3 I feel this, I feel that. And then time passes and you look back on the scenario and you're like, I am so glad that I'm out of that.
I'm so glad I'm like not associated with those people anymore.

Speaker 3 I'm so glad my life went this way and their life went that way. Like that is a very, yeah.
So for you to be able to sit where you are today and look back and be like, no, I'm good.

Speaker 3 Like I'm so happy with my laboobus and I am not.

Speaker 4 I honestly, I was just like, man, I just was sitting in the kitchen watching alone and just the first like 15 minutes. Yeah, in the kitchen.
And I was just like, I literally thought about Cynthia.

Speaker 4 I was like, God, I'm like so lucky to like be a part of Envy and be a part of Humble Brag and be with Cynthia and talk about it. And while it's not that it's like,

Speaker 4 I, I definitely have moments of missing and I definitely have moments of all that nostalgia. I just wish I enjoyed it more.

Speaker 4 And that's on me. I wish I didn't take it so seriously.
I wish I knew the game better. I wish I exploited it better for my own gain.
It really took a toll on me emotionally. I just was like, why?

Speaker 4 Looking back now, I watch it. Like, like, again, like the Kenny thing was so big.
And now two weeks later, no one cares. I'm like, I took everything home for so long.

Speaker 4 And I just wish I didn't. And I had everyone around me from Rob to my friends, like, get over it.
It doesn't matter. Like you're last week's news.
No one cares.

Speaker 4 I'm like, but everyone cares, you know, and I just, yeah.

Speaker 2 So like, I don't miss that part, but I yes. You know, like, I mean, is it true that like people in some ways have moved on from the Kenya Moore, you know, drama? Sure.

Speaker 2 But I guarantee you, I've never met Kenya, you know, but I guarantee you from her point of view and her comments and when she wakes up and opens up her phone, it doesn't feel like anyone's moved on.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? Because

Speaker 2 it's your world. It's your life.
It's so much easier, you know, to remove yourself for a situation. Now see it a little clearer.

Speaker 2 But when you're in it, yeah, that's the hard part about this world is that both things are true.

Speaker 2 People have moved on and yet, like, you're still getting hit with grenades left or right that like the world doesn't really care when it when you when you compare it to like all the media and all the things that are going on and then you have these serious world events and that's a whole nother you know thing that people are like why are you even giving a shit about something like reality tv but like in your world like it's everything it's everything and it and and rightfully so sometimes it feel it's like either you're live you know kenya like whether you write or write regardless of what you think of the situation she is in some ways like fighting for her life her career you know like and you know it it you know 100 i just think because like kenya's situation yes is is so um extreme versus anything i dealt with and that's the thing or i wish i had a little more perspective and i wish i listened to people more of like, myself was so mild, all of it.

Speaker 4 And, but it felt like my whole world was crumbling for nothing, you know. Um, but I'm a sensitive person and like,

Speaker 4 you know, the show compared to my, my life was, was the only toxic thing in my life, you know, so it's the only focus I had. It wasn't like other things are happening in this, like, you know, it was,

Speaker 4 I had like a really, you know, nice, cushy situation. And then this is happening.
It was was just felt so intense. So

Speaker 4 I would, I would love to go, not now, but I'm saying I would, I wish I could reverse time and

Speaker 4 have enjoyed it more.

Speaker 2 What do you think the future for Bev Hills is in terms of like the friendship dynamics? A lot of people are speculating about the Fox 5 or Fox 4.

Speaker 2 Lisa Renna

Speaker 2 back, yeah.

Speaker 4 I can see Lisa Renna back. I mean, look, Lisa's drive story.

Speaker 4 She's like the ultimate villain and she like likes to be the villain i don't think she likes it internally i don't think anybody really likes it but she embraces she embraces it that's a good word yeah and she's really good at it i don't know you never know with catsting it's such a it's really an art form that like i'm not a part of um but i do feel like where it's right now there needs to be some change.

Speaker 3 If they called ask you to either come back full time or as a friend of, would you consider?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't even think about that until it happens.
Like that's not even in my we would consider.

Speaker 2 We consider

Speaker 2 Crystal as her

Speaker 2 manager.

Speaker 2 We would definitely put that deal on the table and consider it. We would not just, it wouldn't be a hard no for us.
Okay. Right, Crystal? Whatever.
You heard it here first.

Speaker 2 Well, I'll say, I'll say that.

Speaker 2 This is me and Cynthia.

Speaker 2 But seriously, going back to like, you know, this housewife world that we live in and do you miss it and would you go back and all those things, you know, for me, it's like, although your situation, like how you leave is how you leave.

Speaker 2 Your exit was very different from my exit and very different from Kenya's exit or Nini's exit or whoever's exit. I think that because it's like, at the end of the day, it's entertainment.

Speaker 2 It's TV for all of you that watch the show, but for us, it's our job. And we really spend a lot of time with these women.

Speaker 2 So when we walk away, it's not like, you know, we never have to see these people again, like, like, like they're never going to talk about it again.

Speaker 2 It's not like we left a job at Starbucks and nobody cares. It's like it just lives on like way, it's almost bigger than we are in so many ways.

Speaker 2 So once we're done with it and we try to put it away and move on, move on with our life, then it just turns into, but would you go back?

Speaker 2 You know, it just never really ends, really. So you never really,

Speaker 2 even if you do miss it. Like you get, even if you don't miss it, you kind of, you're forced to miss it in a way because people keep still talking about it.
Yeah, you see the world. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like people won't let it go. So

Speaker 2 what statement is it? The world.

Speaker 2 You're forced to miss it. Like literally with a regular job, you can go on and nobody really gives a shit.

Speaker 2 With this type of job, being this type of TV personality on this type of platform, it's like, I always said, like, the mafia. Like, when you get in, like, it's hard to get out.

Speaker 2 And like, you have to, like, with the mafia, you have to like die to get out of the mafia most of the time. You know what I mean? So it's very similar thing.

Speaker 2 And your heart of heart, you're like, I don't miss it. I'm happy.
I've moved on. I like my life.
I like my family. I'm happy.

Speaker 2 But it never really goes away, especially if you were on it for any amount of years.

Speaker 2 It's like missing your toxic ex.

Speaker 2 There you go. You know,

Speaker 2 you're better off. You know, it's like.
But you're still kind of like, hey, I wonder what they're up to.

Speaker 2 I wonder if they still love them. Maybe it's like you have a birthday.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because he and his new girlfriend are showing up at all these parties.

Speaker 4 You can never get away from them. Yeah.
Yeah. So you're always like, oh, thinking about that toxic ex.
That's exactly like

Speaker 2 your force of that. That's the best analogy.

Speaker 3 Where do you and Nini stand today?

Speaker 2 Oh, we're great. We're actually really good.
And I'm really, I say that just with my chest because I'm so happy that we've come so far because we had, you know, we started off as friends on the show.

Speaker 2 I came on the show with Nini and she was the breakout star. I will say it again for the 155th time.
We think of Real House Miss Ladder, you think of Nini Leaks.

Speaker 2 Like that flower will always be given to her. But we are good.
You know, we've just come full circle. We're able to hang out and have a good time together.

Speaker 2 She just recently started a YouTube as well, since we're talking about YouTubes. It seems like I felt like in a week, like five housewives started a YouTube.

Speaker 2 I'm a ladder to say, I was like, wait, Portia has a YouTube. KYA started a YouTube.
Needy started a YouTube. So

Speaker 2 long and short, I'm very happy to say that we're in a great place. And she actually invited me to do her YouTube.
And

Speaker 2 I plan to do it. Is she going to come on Humble Brag? Oh, she's definitely bringing her ass on Humble Brag.
If I do her YouTube, she will definitely become Humble Bragg.

Speaker 2 Can you get her on the ball files? Phaedra. Well, okay, this is a little extra deal.

Speaker 2 It won't be before Humble Bread. If she does, we will have her first.

Speaker 2 I worked for that interview.

Speaker 2 When's Phaedra coming on Atlanta?

Speaker 2 Soon.

Speaker 2 We're in Nashville now on the show. She pops up when we go to Grenada.
So I think it's a couple more episodes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they like previewed her.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like they're actually just walked out this morning.

Speaker 2 You talk to Phaedra a lot. No, no, it's just random.
Like we're, she's a, well, I don't want to say what she is. I'm the only, I'm the only idiot that says what hotel bells.

Speaker 2 She's standing so in some room too already.

Speaker 2 you really do you you i know

Speaker 2 i don't know how i haven't been kidnapped or whatever because i'm literally like i'm over here everyone you just gotta warm you just gotta warm her up

Speaker 2 she's crazy yeah so uh ladies always great to chat with you uh obviously we have humble brag what can we look forward to on your next episode a mess it's out it just robbed

Speaker 2 me what's with rizza and joey oh yes it is completely insane we were crying laughing it may be the funniest one yet it's the funniest so we um you know i've become like a Jeff Lewis regular because of Cynthia.

Speaker 4 And we went to Chump Con, which is his like

Speaker 4 kind of

Speaker 4 fan event in Vegas.

Speaker 4 ChumpCon. ChumpCon.
ChumpCon.

Speaker 2 We're like,

Speaker 2 we're official chumps.

Speaker 4 So let me just explain why, because people were like, what? Chump, what does that mean? I guess one of the husbands, you might know, of Orange County's husband got mad at him.

Speaker 4 and said, oh, you, you know, you're such a chump, you and all your chumps, the way you talk. And then he adopted it.
And now everyone who listens, who goes on the show, they're all called chumps.

Speaker 4 So we brought Rizza from Shaws of Sunset and Joey Zauzik, who's like an influencer.

Speaker 2 We've had Joey, Joey. Oh, you have? I love you.
I love you.

Speaker 4 And we all, the four of us had the best time together. So

Speaker 4 we talk about it and all the

Speaker 2 crazy

Speaker 4 Vegas stories. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 It's crazy.

Speaker 4 I mean, you can't even believe what single men do in Vegas.

Speaker 2 they're gross

Speaker 2 we were like shocked we couldn't believe what they were saying it wasn't even our but they took over the pot like we just were listening the boys are gross well ladies always great to catch up with you i look forward to you coming on next time we will inevitably harass you i know i know i love it but make sure you guys watch got to get out on hulu if you haven't streamed it it is a binger it's definitely we watched it we binged it all yesterday yeah it's good it's eight episodes and for the first time

Speaker 2 um i actually had a strategy in one of these competitions. What are you going to do with the money? Well, I got to get it first.
When you get it, what are you going to do with it?

Speaker 2 What are you going to buy us? I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I hadn't thought about it.

Speaker 4 It's a lot of money.

Speaker 2 Well, I wish it was more. It was a million dollars on the table.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, you didn't want to wait a little bit longer until it kept going up.

Speaker 2 No, because you have to get a clue. And I never got a clue.
So when I finally got a clue, I had to shoot my shot. You got to get out.
I had to get out.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You got to get out.
You can't like hang around. You don't know.
Like by the time it gets to like a million, you don't know that you don't get a exit strategy.

Speaker 2 And then if it's even close someone's taking that money no i think it was the right call you just get what you can get well be sure to check out cynthia on got to get out and check out both of these ladies on humble brag available wherever you get your podcast thursday we got a great episode for you uh alex baskin your good friend uh

Speaker 2 showrunner is he the showrunner of beverly hills no he is the president of 30 and flavors who's one of the production companies all right so anyways the guy who's pretty much in charge of all things vanderpump The Valley, and Beverly Hills Housewives is with us to talk about basically his world and everything going on in it with these shows.

Speaker 2 Specifically, we'll really get into the valley with Alex, talk a little about Bev Hills, and then just get his thoughts on all things Bravo in general. That is on Thursday, and so much more.

Speaker 2 We will see you then. Bye-bye.
Bye.