E921 - Humble Brag Returns, Love Island Spinoff, Summer House, RHOA, Garcelle Unfollows & Got To Get Out

Lowe's knows that your business is built on speed and trust.

That's why the Lowe's Pro Desk is here to get you what you need the moment you need it.

We'll help you plan your project, calculate your materials, and pivot when your job takes an unexpected turn.

And with our pro-only checkout and dedicated pro parking,

you have what you need to tackle your job and be back on the job in no time.

Just visit us at the Pro Desk. Lowe's Knows Pros.
We help. You save.
Oikos presents 15 Seconds of Strength. Here we go.
Steve's got a trunk full of groceries and no one to help him. Oh, that's tough, Jim.
Looks like a five-trip load at least. He grabs the first bag.
The second. Bob, it looks like he's trying to do it all one trip.
He shimmies the door open, steps over the dog. Oh, and he stumbles.
Oh, right into the kitchen without missing a beat. Jim, now that's a man who eats his protein-packed Oikos.
With 15 grams of complete protein in each cup, Oikos Triple Zero can help build strength for every day. Oikos, stronger makes everything better.
Well, as new parents who still want to have an active life, still get out, still prioritize each other, have a couple date nights, we know how difficult it can be to find good child care, find good babysitters, and make sure that we can still have fun with the peace of mind knowing that our little one is home safe and sound. And if you're not sure where to look, look to Sitter City.
Sitter City is not some endless scroll of random profiles.

It's more like a curated experience, real reviews from parents, background checks, ID verification, and filters that actually work. Whether you need someone for a regular after-school gig or just a night out, you can find someone you trust.
You won't just find a sitter, you'll find the sitter. Interested in and available care providers will apply to the job posting describing their experience and how they'll be able to help the family.
Families typically receive applications within two hours. Narrow down your options with detailed profiles, professional references, and parent reviews.
Since their founding, millions of families and sitters have trusted Sitter City to help them find child care or job opportunities. Along the way, they've been a leader in trust and safety and have developed processes and tools to help our community make decisions with greater confidence.
They have dedicated trust and safety team, sitter ID verification, request background checks, advanced scam protection, family watchdog screening, ongoing site content monitoring. So if you are looking for some trusted child care for your kids to enjoy some life outside of the house, you got to check out Sitter City.
Go to sittercity.com and take the guesswork out of finding care. Breathe easier knowing your kids are in good hands.
Visit sittercity.com today

to get the care you need. That's Sitter City, spell S-I-T-T-E-R-C-I-T-Y.com.

You're crazy.

What's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality recap edition i am your host nick and boy is it good to be with you all back in uh the la studio we're happy to see you guys did you were remiss? Yeah. It is nice talking to you face to face.
Nice touching you. So nice talking to you face to face.
Zoom isn't, Zoom dates aren't the same? It's just not the same. You know? It is.
It's not the same because there's a little bit of a lag you know with Zoom so it's like and I, oh no go out. What's that? Your turn.
You guys don't notice that on your end because we cleaned it up. We kind of notice it because all of a sudden it's like, oh no, go ahead.
What's that? Your turn. Okay, no.
You guys don't notice that on your end.

Well, of course.

We cleaned it up.

Oh, we kind of noticed it because all of a sudden it's like,

start talking and you go.

Sure.

Well, it is good to be with you all.

Coachella is finally in the books week in two.

For those of you who are not familiar.

With Coachella?

There's a lot.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of people

not familiar with Coachella. For those of you who live peaceful, think there's a lot of people not familiar with Coachella.

For those of you who live peaceful, normal lives.

For those of you who are under a rock.

I feel like before

I ever went to Coachella, I knew

what it was because I was on social media.

Because you were in your formative years as a

teen.

Okay.

I don't know how to dig that either.

Was that a dig? I didn't learn about Coachella until I was, like, in my early 30s. That's because it just started.
Yeah. No, I think it started in 1990.
When did it first start? Well, Coachella's been around for a long time, but Coachella started actually as, like, more of, like, a festival. A punk festival.
A punk festival. A punk? It was, like, yeah, it was cool.
And now it it's Coachella October 9th and 10th of 1999

And it was like

Beck

Rage Against the Machine

Tool

Underworld

Art of Noise

Like it was

Interesting

A rock show

Okay

Well a mom of a 5 year old

Shuts down

Did she shut down critics?

They always do

They slam

They slam

Well slam

Well slam

Slam

You know

Shut down

Like is basically saying she won

Yeah I was about to say

I feel like you rarely shut down a critic. Yeah, even when you slam, they can slam you right back.
Yeah, they can slam you back. We've been accused of slamming people online constantly, but we've never been shutting people down.
Yeah. No, yeah.
Take that note. How do you guys shut up? Anyways, what does she say? A mom of a five-year-old has been bringing her daughter to Coachella.
She said this was her third year she's gone to Coachella. Her third year or her? She says it's her daughter's third year going.
Okay. Her third Coachella.
And people are calling her like a bad mom for taking her daughter to a festival, which I feel like is a weird thing to shame her about. It's like, who knows if she's probably not staying all night.
Like it's a date. It starts at what? Like 10 a.m.? It starts really early.
Yeah. She said there's always good and bad.
There was more good comments than bad. But to me, it's like, OK, have you ever been to Coachella? Do you know that it's all ages? She said, honestly, this is the only festival I would bring her to.
I wouldn't bring her to a rave event. EDC, no way.
But I feel like Coachella is super safe. You don't see people doing drugs.
She's never asked me like, oh, what is that person doing? I don't see it myself. So I think it's safe.
Yeah. It's like there's bathrooms.
There's a lot of food options. There's a lot of room to like lay down.
If you want to like lay a blanket out, take a little snooze in the sun. There are certainly worse environments to bring a child.
Plus, this mother is a really big Benson Boone fan. So they're going to see Benson Boone.
It's not like they're going to see Charlie XCX and watching people do poppers. You know what I mean? Like Benson Boone, she's not going to be traumatized by...
No. Did y'all see the creator of the Apple dance is suing? She's suing Roblox.
Over copyright. Yeah.
Who's Roblox? Who's Roblox? It's that little Minecraft-y game all the little kids are playing on the phones. I love Roblox, personally.
I don't play it anymore, but I've played it. And she's suing the game? Yeah.
So in the game, users were able to purchase the dance as an emote for their virtual character.

But her lawyers are alleged that the platform earned $123,000 from the featured edition. That seems like she should get some of that.
I think that's fair. Yeah.
As a platform powered by a community of creators, Roblox takes the protection of intellectual property very seriously and is committed to protecting intellectual property rights. How crazy, though, that she just like was on TikTok, made up a dance to this song, and now it's the most like known dance.

Yeah.

Now Bowen Yang's doing it in the crowd.

And Matt Rogers.

And Matt Rogers and Celestia.

It is crazy just doing putting anything on the Internet could turn into something like

she just made a dance.

How many people have made TikTok dances?

Obviously, you've gone viral, make money off of that.

But like to put it in a game that's worth that much. Like no one have thought how often you wash your sheets like once a week why is that bad are we judging me how often are you washing your sheet me nick doesn't wash before i had a lady in my life yes you don't want to know twice a year stop it twice a year bugs were you know natalie bugs Were you itchy Were you itchy Were you ever itchy Natalie did you know this No I did not Before you slept I did not Were you ever itchy Maybe three times a year Itchy No I'm always itchy Ew Wow Disgusting Yeast infection You have a yeast infection Drink some cranberry juice Can men get yeast infections Why why are you asking me? do I look like a doctor? they can because you can get a yeast infection elsewhere on your body oh okay isn't that what athletes what is? you look like you really want people to know this guys you can get a yeast infection in your mouth just so you know this is disgusting why are we talking about this? good yeah yeah what wash your sheets anyway why did you bring that up wash your sheets because half according to new polls 49.9 not 50 49.9 of people wait at least one month before washing their bedsheets i don't i don't understand no the more like if i think about it too much like my pillowcase i have i have to wash at least my pillowcase if I can't get to like the full bed once a week.
Like I have to throw the pillowcases in. Face oil, dirt, like just no.
My dog sleeps on my bed, so I definitely wash my sheets every week. Yeah.
I woke up to vomit the other day. So yeah, if I have to.
Yeah, my dog threw up in bed at like five in the morning. It was the worst.
No, I've been home alone. So I was like, fuck you.
Of course I have to clean this up by myself. We have a jam-packed episode lined up for you today.
The ladies of Humble Bragg, Crystal Minkoff and Cynthia Bailey will be joining us later. And before that, Ray Sani, stand-up comedian, Emmy-nominated TV writer, and Bravo Superfan is joining us as well to talk all things Summer House.
Little Bev Hills put a bow on that. I'm not sure if Ray is watching Atlanta Housewives, but I'm sure she seems to watch it all.
So we're excited to have her on. But before we do, I watched a movie not too long ago.
What movie did you watch? A Simple Favor, which I had never seen. Did you watch it by yourself? No, I watched it with my wife.
You were there. We watched.
He's like, I watched a movie. I'm like, but you had seen it.
Had you seen it? You had seen it, though. Yeah, I had seen it.
I felt like I was really unprepared for this. Obviously, The Simple Favor 2, is it out yet? No.
Like May 1st, it's coming out, starring Anna Kendricks and Blake Lively. Who wrote it? Paul Feig.
Paul Feig directed it. Writer of...
Bridesmaids. He didn't write Bridesmaids.
He didn't write. He directed Bridesmaids.
Did he write either of them? Let me see who wrote a simple favor. Because the writing is the thing I'm most taken back by.
Do you have questions about? Let's see. Who wrote a simple favor? Paul Feig directed one of the best episodes of The Office, The Dinner Party.
Well, it's adapted from a novel, A Simple Favor, and it was written by Jessica Scharzer. Okay.
Was The Brother Fucker in the original novel? Because that was jarring for me. I don't know.
I'm sorry. Do you want to go back? The Brother Fucker? If I haven't seen the movie.
Have you not seen it? Have you seen it? I fell asleep through it. Spoiler alert, she fucks her stepbrother.
It's a really good movie. And it's got a little bit of a mystery thriller, like a whodunit, what's going on.
And then sandwiched right in the middle of this movie, Anna Kendrick's character, you find out, fucks her half-brother. And maybe her kid might be her half-brother.
Doesn't sound like such a simple favor. And they just kind of accept it as not that weird in the movie.
I think it's supposed to be weird. She's supposed to not be a good person.
Anna Kendrick's character? Yeah. But she comes off mousy and timid.
At first she's she's one of the most likable people. And then as the movie goes on and on and on, you're like, oh my God, this person's atrocious.
Yeah, I never want to meet this person in real life. It was disturbing.
What made the movie so popular? Was it the brother fucker? I honestly did not remember that at all. So it can't be.
I thought it was just martinis. How did just martinis I thought it was Blake Lively's ties yeah the ties really did have a moment and it was Phil from Schitt's Creek yeah played the brother fuck the sister fucker yeah they romanticized it in a weird way wait if you liked A Simple Favor I have another movie recommendation for you like it.
Well, you'll like this one more. It's giving Game of Thrones.
Yeah. I was just in the middle of being like, oh, this is a pretty good movie.
I was just like, oh my God. Am I understanding this correctly? I was so taken back.
Similar movie without the incest. Ingrid Goes West.
It's Aubrey Plaza and Elizabeth Olsen. And Elizabeth Olsen is very 2010s, influencer, Coachella.
Everyone loves her. Aubrey Plaza is a psycho who stalks her and tries to take over her life.
It's really good. It's great.
That's not good. Love it.
I was just alarmed that such a popular movie's main through line was the fact that she- And are we carrying the storyline through to the second one? Why couldn't he just be the stepbrother? It's still weird. It's still wrong.
But totally not. Because I think the half-brother is more of a shock value.
I think it's in there for shock value. Yeah.
Gross how John Waters nasty stuff. Yeah.
Anyways. We're about to celebrate our one-year anniversary.
Wow. That came fast.
I know. Yeah, it's this Sunday.
Congrats, guys. How do you feel like we did? What are you going to do? What are we going to do? We're going to go to Stagecoach for one night.
One night. I really, we want to see Lana Del Rey and Zach Bryan.
I mean, hate who he is as a person, but do love his music.

Yep.

Unfortunately.

He does my good music.

So I will be closing my eyes. A lot of his songs.

Do like his songs.

So we're going to go to stagecoach for one night,

and then we're going to have a little staycation

at a little spa retreat that I booked us for the weekend. To recover not only from Stagecoach night one.
Get that dust cleared out. We went to Stagecoach for the first time together a couple, two years ago.
Missed it last year because of our wedding. Yeah, that whole thing.
So now our wedding anniversary will be on Stagecoach every year. Look at that.
We didn't think about that. But you always have something to do.
That is true. The NFL draft is also this weekend and it is hosted by, it's in Green Bay.
Wow. And I'm so in love with my wife that I didn't even ask if we could spend our anniversary in Green Bay at the NFL draft.
I do feel like the Monday after our wedding, you were like, hey, so this is happening. No, I did, yes.
And I was like, oh, that's what you want to do for our one year anniversary? Yep. But yeah, we're gonna, he got me like a really extravagant gift.
Didn't you? We got you. I thought you already got it she put those words right here and it's getting delivered tomorrow we're doing a joint gift do we want to share? are we keeping it together? we'll share next week for a year? listen, I think we've been through a lot.
And I think... Listen.
I mean, like, the one year, definitely, you know, it came with some challenges. I think we held on to each other and worked through them as best as we could.
Obviously, still working through some of them. But shit, shit i mean it's been the best year of

my life all things considered so i love you oh my god why are you looking at me like that you don't agree no i agree well what do you think of our year i'm really proud of us yeah you know we've definitely been a lot lately through a lot later but it's gone by fast in the best possible way i know yeah kind of crazy yeah should we leave yeah it's really romantic and you guys have accomplished a lot

together

separately Kind of crazy. Yeah.
Should we leave? Yeah. It's really romantic.
You guys have accomplished a lot together, separately. You raised a baby.
We're raising, but she's going to be a toddler soon. Crazy.
I'm just thinking. Yeah, it went by fast.
It really did go by fast. Right? That's crazy.
I didn't even think about it until you just said it, that it's already been a year. We haven't even posted our full-length wedding video, but we decided to do it on our one-year anniversary.
We've been waiting. Wait, so you're going to post it? On our one-year anniversary.
So you'll see it Sunday. How long is it? Six minutes.
Six or seven minutes, yeah. You said full-length.
Full-length? You want an hour. You want the 48- want an hour 48 hour version we want dialogue it was a full length video what's our full i was expecting like i was thinking like bts with the caterers like them getting ready drama well we do have all of the footage yeah you have all the raw footage if you want to make if you want to make a movie yeah please feel free but we have uh with all your free time you.
We have the videographer's six minute version of our wedding weekend, which was quite lovely. It's a good video.
Have you guys watched it? Also, it's the whole weekend. It's not just the wedding.
It's like it's the wedding weekend video. Yeah.
It's the Friday night and Saturday night. We watched it when we first got it.
Several times. And then we haven't watched it recently, but we should.

We should circle back. You sound like it's a bad

thing. Did you cut?

I think I got a little emotional.

Yeah. So cute.
Yeah. Speaking of

just everything we've gone through,

I will say I started my period

after having two miscarriages.

That is the most jarring

and triggering thing

to experience. No one warned me.
No one was like, hey, just let you. So I'm here to let you know that if you have had a miscarriage and it's hard because you're like waiting for your period because that like, you know, kind of resets your body and they tell you like, I mean, I've been told now I need to wait three months until we try again.
So three periods. Yeah.
So I finally got my first one since last year. And you're like so excited because you're like, oh, this is good.
And then you start bleeding and you're like, oh, my God. And it kind of takes you back to like experiencing that miscarriage because that was the last time that you TMI, but like bled profusely out of your body.
So it's quite jarring and triggering. But how are you handling it? I think just trying to compartmentalize, which I'm strangely very good at.
But I think, yeah, just trying to be like, this is not that. And this is the beginning.
Yeah. So this is like the start of hopefully will be the next good chapter.
But yeah, it's that is that is a tough that's a tough one. I'm sorry that you're going through that, but I'm excited for what's to come for you in the future.
I know, us too. I just wanted to give anyone a heads up if you're in that boat.
I posted about it on Instagram this morning, but if you're listening and you have experienced your miscarriages or you're waiting for your period, heads up, warning, prepare yourself. It will be

a little bit of a trigger. But I do think like people have asked, you know, kind of like how

we're handling it. And I will say like talking about them is healthy.
I think friends and family

who like aren't afraid to like ask about it or talk about it, it kind of like keeps them alive in a sense. You know, it's I think that's grief in all in all types of ways.
You know, everyone handles it differently. I don't know if this will work for you, but it works for me of like Chambliss will constantly like refer to the babies or like talk about them.
And in like in a sense, it keeps them around and it keeps their like spirit alive and their memory alive. And like, versus people who are like, Oh, I don't, don't bring it up.
It's like triggering. Don't say anything.
It's like, no, please. Like, let's talk about it.
Let's make it like part of our lives because they are part of our lives, you know? So I don't know if, if maybe that will work for you. Maybe it won't.
But I've appreciated that, I think.

Well, I love you.

I love you.

Should we get into something a little bit lighthearted?

The world still hates Katy Perry.

Yeah.

Listen, can you imagine being like, we're going to go to space and it's going to be so fucking cool.

And then it's like the most laughable moment of like our history.

Like no one finds it empowering no one is charmed no one

like that must be the most just like backhanded you think you're going into this like empowering

and soup and everyone's just like you're a laughingstock well i think the problem with it

is the whole like reference to it being empowering like sometimes like it's just a fun trip for the

five people involved you know what i'm saying like sometimes it's not deeper like when we try to make it deeper than it really is and try to put some sort of meaning behind it to justify like jeff wants a sense of people up to space like you know and good for him i don't really i'm not one of those people who's always like oh my god imagine what you know like a bunch of privileged people are doing a bunch of privileged things constantly i'm not worried you know it's just like you know shut your fucking mouth if you want people to like save the world every time you do something for yourself that being said like trying to make it a sort of more deep on meaning and trying to call this event some sort of empowering moment for anyone or space is this kind of silly it's just like hey a bunch of celebrities got to go to space cool they have just highlighted the other women. They should have highlighted the other women who were there who actually do have like backgrounds in this space.
Yeah. Unintended.
Who were the actual astronauts? What were their names? But it's like, we should have been highlighting them. We should have been like Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez.
Like in their interviews, in their like promoting this, they should have been like, and we have these incredible women with us who have studied this. They should have been hyping these other women up instead of trying to put them in the shadows.
I felt like that probably could have changed their course of action a little bit. But I think that's the most representative thing of Katy Perry's brand of feminism.
Because all Katy Perry is doing, when you're talking about her, when you're talking about this mission at large of it being like the most shallow thing in the world that's like representing women and women power, like that is Katy Perry's entire brand. So it makes complete sense for her to have like this whole thing of I am a woman, I am doing this, I am bringing power, and then shutting out any actual conversation regarding what that means, who is actually doing the work, that kind of stuff.
To Natalie's point, though, like Amanda Nguyen, this is someone that I didn't know until after the backlash of Blue Origins, but she had a career in bioastronomics and then she unfortunately experienced like SA and then became an advocate for it and actually drafted policies. And then she thought she left like the career of like astronomics and then now she was on Blue Origin's trip to space so it's like we don't know about the people that like people are talking about her now because people are like wait we're all mad at Katie but like look at the people that should have gone up you know yeah but and it's only getting brought up after exactly it's like wait what who are we forgetting her story is empowering so it's like why wasn't why wasn't that person ever mentioned well it's because's because, like I said, no, they, the women with the influence and the power behind them should have been talking about.
Exactly. That would legitimize the actual mission.
It's like, oh, no, there's actual females that are trained in astronomics to be able to go up there and I feel safer. We're just excited to go and I'm excited to wear glam.
But we do have Amanda who's with us, who is this brilliant and she's done this and she's done that. And let me talk about Amanda instead of being like, I can't wait for my false lasses.
Here's a daisy. I feel connected to love.
Let me let me shout out my set list. Well, Wendy's is like a little.
Well, Katy Perry's team is coming after Wendy's. Wendy's has been known for being a sassy tweeter for some time.
100%. I got beef with the beef.
I think Wendy's is only known to the people who are online. Sure.
You know, the people who don't know who Coachella is don't know that Wendy's is sassy. They just know Wendy's sells a good chicken nug.
A square burger. Nevertheless, but whether you've been paying attention to Wendy's Twitter account or not, they have been a little sassy in the tweets for some time now.
But someone from Katy Perry's team does not appreciate her sassiness. They say it wasn't a harmless banter.
This was a billion dollar brand using its platform to publicly demean a woman. Because Wendy's

tweeted that they wanted to send

Katy Perry back, which

as a billion dollar

corporation

representing a billion dollar, it's

definitely like... It was probably just an intern

tweeting that. This is what I wonder too.

Did somebody get in trouble for this or

were they congratulated for this? Congratulated.

It's making news. We're talking about Wendy's right now.
My favorite part of this was when. They have great Frosties, everybody.
Shout out to the Frosties. I guarantee you the person that tweeted that was like, the second it's like when the boss calls, it's like, was this a good thing or a bad thing? Was this a good thing or a bad thing? Thank you.
My favorite part of this was when Katy Perry's quote unquote team. So Katy Perry was mad that they said.
So Katy Perry's team was like, what's worse is the face of Wendy's is a woman, which makes this decision not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic. Like they really thought they got Little Miss Wendy.
Little Miss redheaded pigtailed Wendy. And I'm like,ronic or painfully? What's the difference?

It's not just hypocritical, but painfully ironic.

She also said telling a woman that she should be sent back is shameful bullying and reflects a troubling willingness to tear down in today's society.

We, amongst many of the other words, we have watered down, misused, and bullying is up there for me.

I'm sorry. Just because you talk a little shit to somebody doesn't make it immediately bullying.
Have you ever riffed? Christ. God.
Have you ever had a banter? Yeah. Have you ever had fun? Have you ever laughed? Have you ever laughed? Goofed even? Truly.
Well, Wendy's has responded. They have.
They responded and they did not apologize. They said, we always bring a little spice to our socials, But Wendy's has responded they have they responded and they did not apologize they said we always bring a little spice to our socials but Wendy's has a ton of respect for Katy Perry and her out of this world talent they still want her to leave they still want her to leave just as for Kesha well if you guys are missing the entire cast of Love Island USA from last summer, fear not, they will be back on Peacock this summer.
Serena, Janae, Aaron, Miguel, Leah, Kayla, Connor, Kenny, Olivia, and Kendall. Do you think Connor's on to replace Rob? Rob is the obviously most notable absentee from this list.
Cordell is also not on the list, but Serena is. And it seems like there were some, apparently Cordell's booked and busy, which is why he's not part of this cast.
Rob is just like out. He's just like, I don't, I'm good.
He's doing music videos. He's doing music videos.
Catching snakes. Honestly, like good for Rob.
Yeah, he's made a brand. Or just like he's sucked his guns.
A lot of people talk about... It sounded like you said he sucked his guns.
Sucked his guns? It did sound that way. He's stuck to his guns.
Sorry about that. It's okay.
Well, I'm excited to watch this. I'm so excited about this.
Can you imagine the pressure that this upcoming season Love Island USA is under? Yeah. That's why I think it's going to be so messy.
I just hope it's not over the top in the sense of just like feeling fake because everyone's trying to like have their like Leah one-liner TikTok go viral moment that we're like, none of you actually have real connections. Yeah.
But I feel like also seeing that they got a spinoff because they haven't started filming right

it's pretty like live kind of

she said it was a docu follow

which I don't really like no I'm talking about this

upcoming season of Love Island USA

they haven't started filming so I feel like the contestants

who are going now see

that the previous contestants got a spinoff

so they're like let's fucking bring it

and sometimes you know there's a

fine line in reality TV between like performing and just being yourself and and just like living in the moment i think this cast that did so well really just lived in the moment they really just and usa was like flying under the radar for a while so it's like it wasn't performative in the way like it was just like these are their genuine reactions and then it just blew up because like some of them were just walking sound bites yeah but it's like i just don't want people going

in there trying to be like okay who can i fight with what's my next overalls like comment yeah

well i'm excited to watch it uh right well leah actually requested to not have certain producers

we know is this alleged or is this uh no she said it leah requested that certain producers

from love island usa not be on the spinoff she said i gave them specific names of who i wouldn't

Thank you. Do we know? Is this alleged or is this? No, she said it.
Leah requested that certain producers from Love Island USA not be on the spinoff. She said, I gave them specific names of who I wouldn't work with again.
Basically saying that I guess some producers kept her and Miguel away from each other to like keep the Leah and Rob of it all going. And she was like, I'm not down with that.
I don't want them around. And they're like, you ask and you shall receive.
There have not been, there hasn't been a single breakup.

No.

Yeah.

From this cast, which is shocking.

Well, there was right after.

Well, I mean like.

Well, not Kayla.

I'm addicted to Leah and Miguel's TikToks.

Like they're so obsessed with each other and they're so funny.

So I'm so excited just to like watch them the whole time.

There is someone who posted a photo of Kayla and Liv arguing at an event they went to. Do you think it's real or do you think it's staged? Potentially staged, but at least we know there's trouble in paradise.
The breakup of blonde moments? Yeah. No.
And Aaron, wait. Kayla and Aaron under the same roof again? I cannot wait.
Fuck! Predicting a bounce back for Aaron. Honestly, I miss hearing fuck.
Aaron! I do miss it. I wasn't even watching Love Island at the time, but it's in my brain cemented.
That's good. All right.
I think it's time to get into a little summer house. But before we do, let's bring up Ray Sani to help us break it all down.
We've been out of town for a little bit. And while we were gone, we decided to paint our house, and that enlightened a fire in me to start some new home projects, maybe renovate a little, maybe get some new furniture, and Wayfair is the best place to do that.
Wayfair is the best-kept secret for home improvement. They have a bigger selection, options for every budget, price point, top home improvement brands, easy and free shipping.
You can find some essentials on Wayfair, whether it's your bathroom vanities, vanity lights, toilets, tubs, kitchen hardware, outdoor showers, planters. I mean, the list goes on and on.
Allie is right. Wayfair has everything you need for any project or any room that you are looking to upgrade in your house.
They truly have you covered. They can be your partner in whatever project you are looking to tackle this spring or summer.

There is something for every style in every home, no matter your space or budget.

Free and easy delivery, even on the big stuff.

They'll help you set it up.

Find all your home improvement must-haves from flooring to light fixtures to faucets to hardware, all in one convenient place.

Shop the best selection of home improvement online.

Get renovating with Wayfair.

Head to Wayfair.com right now.

That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com. Wayfair.
Every style, every home. Hey, renters out there.
Are you taking advantage of Built Rewards? You can rack up points on groceries, travel, and nearly everything else. So why not on one of your biggest monthly expenses? With Built, paying rent finally pays off.
There are no costs to join. And just by paying rent, you unlock flexible points that can be transferred to your favorite hotels and airlines, a future rent payment, your next Lyft ride, and more.
When you pay your rent through Bilt, you unlock two powerful benefits. First, you earn one of the industry's most valuable points on rent every month, no matter where you live or who your landlord is.
Your rent now works for you. Second, you can gain access to exclusive neighborhood benefits in your city.
Bilt's neighborhood are things like extra points on dining out, complimentary host workout shakes, free mats and towels at your favorite fitness studios and unique experiences that only Built members can access. And when you're ready to travel, Built points can be converted to your favorite miles and hotel points around the world, meaning your rent can literally take you places.
So if you're not earning points on rent, my question is, what are you waiting for? Start paying rent through Bilt and take advantage of your neighborhood benefits by going to joinbilt.com slash V-I-A-L-L. That's J-O-I-N-B-I-L-T dot com slash V-I-A-L-L.
Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you. Joinbilt.com slash V-I-A-L-L to sign up for Bilt today.
Helix! Well, what more can we say about the greatest mattress ever invented other than the fact that we love sleeping on it? We have been spending a little time outside of LA. You guys know that.
But what you didn't know is that we made sure that we were sleeping on an Helix mattress wherever we were. And thank God, because if it looks like I'm rested, that's because I am.
Because I've been sleeping on a Helix Moonlight mattress for some time now. They have a lineup of 20 unique mattresses.
All you have to do is take a quick online quiz to be paired with a mattress for you. They have award-winning Luxe and Ultra Premium Elite Collections.
Our favorite is the Moonlight Mattress if you want to hear everything we're raving about. They give you a 100-night trial and a 10 to 15-year warranty to try out your new Helix mattress.
It's recommended by multiple leading chiropractors and doctors of sleep medicine as a go-to solution for improving your sleep. Go to helixsleep.com slash VIALL for the spring savings event to get 20% off site-wide.
That's helixsleep.com slash viall for 20% off site-wide helixsleep.com slash viall. Hi.
Hey, Ray. How are you? Hi.
How are you? We're so good. Thanks for joining us.
No problem. Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it. I was scrolling on Twitter X.
I don't know what people are calling it these days. And I came across your tweets talking all things Bravo.
And then I looked and then I stalked you on Instagram and we need to get her on the show. That's so nice.
Thank you. I hope you can say anything too crazy.
I just like that you were just like, you know, you really believed in your commentary. You know, I kind of forgot what, you know, but you had some great takes.
And then obviously I looked, you know, I looked at your background, you're a standup comedian, you're a Emmy nominated TV writer. I was like, we need to get her on.
Do you mind if we start with Summer House or do you want to maybe put a bow on your thoughts on the Beverly Hills housewife season? Let's start with Beverly Hills since it's a little further in the distance. Okay, let's start with Beverly Hills.
The big thing I think right now people are trying to like figure out the Garcelle exit of it all. This past week, we noticed that Garcelle unfollowed Sutton, which a lot of people were surprised by.
What are your thoughts on the exit overall? Part of me is kind of thinking, you know what, if she wants to go, I'm happy for Garcelle. She seems like she's prioritizing her mental health.
You know, I don't know. Like, I'm fine with her leaving.
But do you have any other commentary on this situation? I'm fine with her leaving as well. I thought she probably wasn't particularly well suited for reality TV.
I think Garcelle exists in two separate spaces for me. Like, garcelle from you know coming to america the r kelly i know we don't we don't talk about him anymore but the r kelly download video series like she's from the jamie fox show there's garcelle over there and then there's garcelle on real housewives of beverly hills who i think never really suited reality TV.
She's just too normal a person. And I don't know, I think that she boxed herself in being so tight with Sutton.
And she's just had some bad experiences on the show. But she also didn't really like make good relationships or inroads with the women either.
And I'm surprised it took her this long to unfollow Sutton. You know, she's been being passive aggressive on Instagram since the reunion.
I thought Sutton would have been the first one. On the car ride home from the reunion, she unfollowed Sutton, you know, but it took her this long.
They didn't go get supper. I didn't I didn't understand what what that was about, especially since you know know, my frustration with Garcelle.
I, in general, do not like a passive-aggressive housewife. Like, there's a certain kind of passive aggression I like if it turns into an explosion.
But she's just someone who is sometimes conflict-averse, but then sometimes isn't. And then when she's, like, confrontational, she's upset that people aren't nice to her back.
It's a weird thing. I don't understand it.
She don't know how to fight for TV. That's the thing.
She doesn't know how to fight for TV. And I just don't like the way she, she, you know, approaches conflict on the show.
So one of the things that she did that I found particularly passive aggressive was after the reunion, she posted something to the effect of all skin folk ain't kin folk. And that's, you know, a common saying in the black community where, you know, there's a person who works against everybody else.
And the assumption was initially that it was talking about Anna Marie because Anna Marie was being weird like she always always is on the internet about Garcelle. And then, um, and then the rumors and reports came out about some big conflict between her and Bose at the reunion.
And we were going to see why. And so the internet in certain spaces were just trashing Bose is like a bad black person has sold Garcelle out all kinds of stuff.
And Bose had been asked about it. She said, I'm going to assume it's not about me unless Garcelle says it's about me.
I think Garcelle, if it wasn't about Bo's, should have explained that it wasn't about Bo's because that's a major accusation to put on somebody, especially someone we just met on TV this past year. And then when we got to the reunion, I didn't see anything that was particularly sellout worthy.
So I was like, that's super whack. I thought that was super whack of Garza.
So that was one. That passive aggression in that space was really, really disappointing for me.
And then secondly, like, why are you sitting there pouting for nine hours? And then don't take the picture, but you do the toast. That didn't make any sense to me.
It just seemed, it was just kind of, I don't know. It felt more like a tantrum than anything that felt like standing on, on your business or, or making a statement.
It just felt silly because you, you stayed the nine hours. What would have been a picture? Yeah.
That's, I felt like the walkout was kind of performative and staged on Garcelle's end. Because to your point, like, yeah, she did like grab the drink.
She cheers with everyone. She like waited for Andy to be like, let's take the photo.
And then she gathers up her dress and says, no, I'm out and walks off. It's like if you were done, you just walk off as soon as they're like, all right, we're wrapped.
Like you don't cheers with everyone and like wait for your moment. It's like she'd been fantasizing about the exit those nine hours while she wasn't, you know.
I don't know about that. I wouldn't say that it was staged.
I think that because at the beginning of the taping, she did say that she wanted to take a photo. I felt like it was something that metaphorically meant something to her.
Like, I think she did care about the picture. I just think it was corny to care about the picture.
But it did seem to matter to her. And I think the moment that broke her, which is, again, why I was shocked that it took her this long to unfollow Sutton was when Andy's asking everybody, what's your surprise of the season?

And Garcelle's like, oh, I met your mother and I saw the dynamic between y'all and it

made me understand you more.

And then Sutton just turns right around.

She's like, Erica and I, our best friends.

I'm like, wow, this girl has been leaving you hanging the whole time like it's crazy and that i think was the moment that broke her i think there was like a slow build or whatever but that was the moment that broke her i guess my disappointment was in how she articulated what was happening to her throughout the nine hours that she was sitting there because andy was like do you want to talk about why you're upset and she was just like no one smiled at me i was like girl please like she's like no they girl greeted me when everyone walked in but since we've been here no one hasn't made eye contact with me and smiled and i was like yeah because you're accusing this woman of insurance fraud like i'm not gonna smile at you if you accuse me of crimes on national television. What are we talking about here? This is crazy.
You make a good point when you said, I'm not sure if she ever made a good housewife in the way that she fought her battles. And now that you're saying that, I'm thinking, because Garcelle has such an illustrious background, she really compared to a lot I mean, maybe even more so like, yeah, definitely more so than Denise Richards.
Like I know Denise Richards was a Bond girl, but like Garcelle had a long ass, like really impressive career. And it's kind of almost like, yeah, it's like in a way she feels like she's kind of above the drama in a way that almost like Kyle tries to be, but Kyle successfully kind of gets other people to have her back.
And it just seems like Garcelle really wanted Sutton and maybe some of the other women to like- Be her friend. Yeah, be her friend and kind of like have her back.
And like they were just never going to in ways that she expected them to. But also she didn't, I don't think she cultivated relationships in a way.
And you know know, like this, this thing we've been watching Housewives for what? 17 years. Oh, since college, you know, and you sort of start to see the formula.
You sort of start to see how you're meant to maneuver, particularly on Beverly Hills. I mean, we've seen how much producer interference there is, you know, all the chess moves you have to make and Garcelle wasn't making them.
And I guess she just didn't feel the need to create inroads in certain places. And I also think that her mistake was fan service to the detriment of her relationship to the people in the rooms that she would have to be in.
I think that that was a big miscalculation on her part. I think that she's questioning Dorit's robbery because everybody on the internet, it wasn't just four people, Dorit, it was 4 million people.
Everybody is questioning that robbery. But I don't have to be in the room with Dorit and I don't have to expect her to smile at me after we get through arguing about it.

So it doesn't make sense for her as a human being who has to interact with these people face to face for however many months of filming to just say things that we on the Internet callously might say. and to forget how human beings interact with one another,

which is that you can't indirectly accuse my husband of a crime

and expect me to be your best friend.

For her to have forgotten that part just seemed really crazy to me.

Yeah, no, I mean, it happens often, I think, with the Housewives, where sometimes they forget that there's a huge difference between any of them saying something on this show that is platformed to millions of people versus any of them reading, you know, whatever Reddit or blogs or various rumors that are just like being thrown around between fans. Like, and fans are just like having fun being fans, not really knowing who these women are, not having access to their lives off camera.
And so when one of these women who do have this incredible access, have these friendships, you know, know these people's spouses, repeat a rumor or platform these theories, it is just night and day, you know? And the fact that Garcelle doesn't see that is why. I mean, Garcelle is not the only one.
Even if she was going to, right? She insisted upon it being her feeling. She just felt that way.
She just felt that way. Yeah.
They're entitled to not smile at you because they don't like how you felt. I don't understand this notion.
I hate that. I hate the, like, it's just my opinion.
And I can think your opinion is dumb. And I can think your feelings are fucked up.
Like, I just, I thought her rant at the end in the dressing room was so bizarre. She said, I took accountability and no one had my back.
And I'm like, why would anybody have your back? And that didn't look like taking accountability to me. It looked like you were like, well, that's how I felt.
OK, sorry if that bothered you. OK.
And then I'm not going to be your friend anymore. I don't understand what she was confused about.
Yeah. Like taking accountability sounded like her, like doubling down on her opinion.
Yes, exactly. And, and I, I can see why she felt like people don't give her grace, but people give grace to people.
They like, I forgive people. I want to keep around.
I forgive people who are in my life and I don't want them to go. I'm not going to give grace to someone who at every opportunity seems combative with me, which isn't to say that those women didn't start conflict with Garcelle.
They absolutely have on multiple occasions. But again, grace is reserved for people that deserve grace.
And the way to deserve grace is to be likable or worth keeping in my life. And I don't think Dorit is crying because Garcelle isn't coming back.
Like y'all hated each other. Why would, why would there be grace? And then it sounded to me like, was she saying no one had my back? Like she expected the other women in the group to say along with her that Dorit's robbery was staged because that means that you also want other people to get on TV and possibly slander their friends.
Like that's a weird expectation. And I honestly, I think that is the expectation because I know that Garcelle's not the only person in this circle of friends who have talked about that rumor.
And so she's heard, I don't even know who she's heard, but she's heard other women talk about it. And so, yeah, she kind of expected, I guess, at the reunion to say, well, I know you think this too.
I know you've talked about it, but there's a huge disconnect between her not understanding why the other women wouldn't want to bring this up because you're accusing someone of a crime and it's different when you're just having drinks with a friend yeah it's weird because i don't understand why she didn't take the social cues throughout the season right like whenever she seemed to try to bring it up on camera sutton didn't play along so she should have anticipated that she wasn't gonna play at the reunion either. Like that just seemed pretty silly to me.
Now, however, I think Sutton let her down tremendously in other ways. Like Sutton should have gone after that woman when she left the set.
Like Sutton should have followed her friend and been like, but Sutton was sitting there being like, I don't know why she's so upset, like kissing up to these women. And if I had watched that on television, I doubt Garcelle's even watched the reunion probably.
I don't think she cares. But like if I saw Sutton talking about me with the other girls like that, it would have been over.
I don't know why she waited a week to unfollow. Maybe she just watched it over their weekend and then that's what prompted to bows though i mean i actually forgot about that line but like i you know that's such a great response to an accusation to say unless i know for sure it's about me i'm just gonna assume it's not like bows never takes the bait like in a way that like most housewives do she's been one of my favorite housewives period and just given like the track record or lack thereof of new housewives she's really had an all-star performance season one it's really been incredible especially in Bev Hills where I think it's even harder to be like a newbie right uh it's really been incredible I totally agree I really like her um I so I prefer my house, I don't want to say like forceful, but like I prefer my housewives powerful and like, you know, one of my favorite housewives ever, although she is in deep trouble right now.
But Kenya Moore is one of my favorite housewives ever. I fell in love with Kenya Moore because on her first season of real housewives of Atlanta, she came to the reunion.
Literally every person on stage hated her. Every single person.
And she defended herself and spoke well for herself. And she wasn't backed down.
And I like that about Bose. You know, a lot of the time I've seen people online say, oh, they're just going to do to Bose what they did to Garcelle.
Dorit is going to turn on Bose. Kyle's going to turn on Bose.
I don't see that happening because Bose seems so sure of herself. I've never seen someone so self-assured.
I envy her self-esteem. Like her self-esteem is like through the roof.
You know what I mean? I think even when she was on Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Fallon was like complimenting her accolades and she was like, correct. Yeah.
And I was like, yes, I am not worried about her. I'm not worried about her at all.
I don't think a Rinna could run her off. I don't think a Dorit or an Erica, nobody can run that woman off.
I think if she gets unlikable for whatever reason, it's going to be because of her. It's not going to be because somebody is strong enough to bully her.
I don't see it. Do you want to get into a little Atlanta? Are you up to speed? Yeah, of course.
So, I mean, you mentioned that Kenya is one of your favorite housewives. Where do you see this whole situation with the revenge porn or not? I mean, I know we're not, I don't know if we're calling it revenge porn because technically it's not, like what are your thoughts she you know she seems to be really i don't in my opinion still doubling and tripling down like and having kind of these semantical arguments but i mean a lot of people in the bravo fan base have kenya's back so where do you where do you see this whole situation well so if you know anything about kenya she loves a semantic and technical argument she loves technicalities she loves semantics that's her that's her mo so i'm not surprised she's doing that i think uh she probably has realized she probably won't get her job back which is why she's bugging out on the internet because anyone who wanted to stay in bravo's good graces wouldn't be doing what she's doing which is you know doing youtube videos and um explaining her side you know doing her confessionals or you know retweeting negative posts about cynthia or all of this and you know she even commented that andy and um his podcast partner sounded ignorant talking about like the incident i think that she she was wrong.
I think Brit was wrong. And I think production handled Brit threatening Kenya very terribly.
And also, I think that Kenya was wrong. I think two things can be true at once.
Like Brit was an asshole and Kenya was an asshole too. And I think it's okay to say that Kenya did something wrong.
I'm not the kind of person who thinks that just because someone has done something wrong to you, you get to retaliate any which way.

I think that that is such a silly notion that a lot of the Bravo fandom seems to hold on to.

If you step on my foot, I get to shoot your mom.

That's not how it goes.

There's self-defense.

And then self-defense turns into murder very quickly. If you don't do things the certain way, you can't just walk down on someone who's already retreated and shoot them.
And so I feel like Kenya walked down on Brit who had retreated and shot her and is trying to be like, no, it was self-defense. This lady showed up with flowers.
Do I believe that apology was sincere? No, I think Brit was worried she'd lose her job and had heard things either through production or the other housewives on the cast and was like, oh, oh, shoot, I stepped in it. And, you know, tried to make amends.
But Kenya wasn't going to listen to that. I think Kenya felt abandoned by production.
I don't think she was wrong in feeling that. I think she was disappointed in that she realized they probably weren't going to take the kind of action she wanted them to, which is to fire Britt.
And she bugged out. But she bugged out.
She bugged out. And it's okay to say she bugged out.
And I think how she acted was regrettable. I think it's so embarrassing that she did it at her own event.
I just didn't understand that. I would not make some loser that I'm trying to get fired off the show the centerpiece of my grand opening.
That's astonishing to me. And as a pageant queen, you would think she would know not to make her moment about somebody else, but she did it.
And I'm disappointed. And there were moments within the last year before the show aired that made her look contrite she seemed to take accountability on tameron hall show um she seemed to acknowledge that she what she had done was not right to do and she's she she's careful about saying she is wrong and takes accountability but then she defends herself in ways that make me believe that she hasn't fully sort of grasped the magnitude of what she actually did in that situation.
And I'm a member of team twirl. So I understand what we're capable of.
We feed our narcissist queen. We do.
We are all like team twirl is like Kenya can do do no wrong and so i think that when she saw the online reaction to brit making the threat and saw all the bloggers and tweets and things saying kenya was vindicated she got it in her mind that she was vindicated and no she was not vindicated she was not vindicated she did something wrong again i think brit should have been fired or reprimanded or suspended or there should have been some kind of mediation between them but i don't think you get to bug out and show people naked and at at events uh because your boss didn't handle a situation well well said what do you make of uh drew's uh divorce and the court documents that she so desperately wants sealed that was crazy like i was at first it makes sense you know you don't want your kids to eventually have to read this stuff i'm like okay that tracks but then she's like has no problem saying well no because it's all this shit he did and like she kind of starts naming things what are you trying to hide and meanwhile he's all like unseal that shit you know it's just like whoa like so where do you where do you track with all that i love drew because she is a bogus delusional liar i love it so much i don't know that we've ever heard drew tell the truth is drew even real name? I love her so much. Ridiculous.
I think that Drew and Ralph, their relationship is obviously toxic, but they are the same person and they deserve each other. They're both lying.
They're both like, yes, exactly. I'm telling the world that I want the record sealed, but I'm listing all the things that would go into documents.
Like, that is absurd. Ralph is doing YouTube videos, so he's clearly still in the basement.
And also, like, what man living in a basement? Like, immediately you're a loser. Walking out of court being like, I don't have to leave.
That was crazy. The lack of respect that man has for himself is just really impressive.
I was like, oh, so he's a happy bum. He's a bum.
He's an absolute bum. Because I thought it was standard that the parent who probably doesn't want to be the custodial parent leaves the house.
And as we know, the way divorces tend to go, the mom holds on to the kid, the father leaves the home and pays child support. I don't understand why he's fighting.
Why is this judge like, no, stay downstairs? Like that, who is this judge? Are they even a real judge? Or is it like one of their friends? I was very confused about the judge. I i would love i wish they had given us some of the judges reasoning yeah because i could not understand why i was like stay in that basement and he said yes show everybody that y'all were cheating i could not believe and his lawyer seemed too ecstatic for me as well i was like are you this thrilled to be representing a bum? What are you doing here? Yeah.
We have a lot to obviously still talk about Atlanta, but I wanted to get into Summer House with you before we let you go. A lot happened this past episode.
I have empathy for Jesse. Only because he had cancer.
It's the cancer pass. I don't like, you know, but he's not right.
But this episode, I think, took it too far. The Jesse and Lexi.
I do think he is, was, love bombing her. I do think him being mad at her for whatever she was doing with West at the club.
And then being like, it wasn't the same.

It's different than what I did.

And like,

but I love you so much.

Let's make up.

Let's have sex.

Let's like spend the night together.

Everything's fine.

37 minutes watching an orgy is the same as Lexi.

Holding up your drunk friend.

Well, in his words,

like putting her hands

on his shoulder or something.

West was the one

that was giving her a massage

according to Jesse. And she's like, all I did was hold up your to Jesse.
Why is he mad at Lexi then? Because he's toxic as fuck. He's creating a fight so that he has the upper hand.
Exactly. I've had a recent situation with a narcissist and God bless Lexi.
She's 26. I am 37 and my narcissist got me at 36 and I still fell for that you know she's doing pretty good considering she hasn't hit 30 yet like you know she's a lot more mature than I would have been at that age but Jessie I think is a terrorist like there's no there's nothing I see no upside to this guy first of all I don't trust a who smiles that much.
There's no one that happy. There's nothing that joyful.
No, no. I know the whole cancer thing.
He's probably just happy to be alive and be here. And I get that.
But you can't guy smiling me all through life. It's weird.
I can't do it. I can't do it.
And also, I think I'm a kink shamer. Listen, I'm going to kinkink shame i think it's weird to watch your new friend have a have an orgy i just think that that is weird and i think it's even weirder to one of the women that's having a threesome with your friend put your toe in her mouth if that's all you did that story is still horrific like you're weird and like i i just think like that's disgusting I don't know I just look look have all the sex you want to have but I just think that that's a weird kind of engagement with strangers on national tv when you just asked a girl to be exclusive or you're about to ask a girl to be exclusive and I think not enough is made of that I think it's a lexi is showing signs of fight right like she did try to argue with him she did try to but you know she he's he's doing what he's doing he's gaslighting he's love bombing um and so like she she's gonna she's gonna figure it out from all of her interviews it sounds like she has figured it out so good for her but that guy he's a he's he's that one what do you what do you make of jesse and uh sierra's friendship i think both of them are so whack i think they're so whack i i i think that jesse jesse is the dirt bag right like let's just that is the headline jesse solomon is a dirt bag and then secondarily I think Ciara's movement is so whack.
She's being really corny. The fact is, at this point, she knows that they're exclusive, even if he's not her boyfriend, right? So at the very least, she should be like, yo, bro, get off me.
Your girl's sitting right there. Or something, something that is backing him up off her.
If you don't respect your relationship's boundaries, I respect myself enough to not have me be the reason that you're not respecting your relationship's boundaries. Do you feel like her ego was a little shot when it felt like he chose Lexi over her? When he was like, you can't touch, don't touch anymore.
And she was like, oh, really? Honestly, I felt like her response to Jesse was kind of giving girlfriend energy to Jesse. I agree.
I thought when she said something to the effect of, oh, if you want to play like that, I can hurt your feelings. I was like, why are you trying to hurt his feelings? You should just be setting a boundary because this boy's a loser and he's trying to flirt with you and then make you look crazy by insinuating that it was you who's doing it to him it should be about respecting yourself not hurting his feelings who gives a fuck about his feelings excuse me sorry for swearing you can swear like she's i i one of my frustrations over the course of the of the series with siara is to, she just seems too interested in male approval or male attention.
And it's usually from dweebs. Like, Jessie's a dweeb.
Wes is a dweeb. Like, Austin's a dweeb.
Like, they're all dweebs. And it's just like, yo, if I looked like Ciara, Jesse Solomon could not touch me because I would be at some NBA player's house off camera in the Hamptons.

Jesse Solomon couldn't touch my knee.

I finally got someone on my team about Ciara.

Finally.

Listen, I think just back to like last season, I think whatever West has plenty to apologize for. But aside from what west did and what he has to apologize for i think more than anyone i think sierra played herself when it comes to her and west i just for everything that you just said you know it's just like it's not that like west wasn't wrong it's just that she cared too much about getting west's approval who's probably beneath her in terms of like the level that she can get but because he didn't give her what she wanted she got so obsessed with getting west's approval that and then and didn't get it and then you know even though he's like i don't want to date i don't want to date you know she she tried to close the deal by hooking up with them and then when it didn't close the deal she it it fucked with her ego and if if I'm Sierra, I'm more mad at me at myself.
That's all. I agree.
I don't I personally don't think that the fury that she had displayed earlier on in the season toward West was warranted. I think he was a dickhead and people be dickheads when you're dating.
We know there's there's there, there's, there's standard dating. You know what I, okay.
I don't want to pontificate on this thing too much, but I think that we've gotten to this place in internet dating culture, or just the way we talk about dating online, where we don't allow for people to have been a dickhead in their romantic relationships. There's a certain amount of like addressing patriarchal stuff or, you know, the way men maneuver through society with women that we got to do.
But then there's also like just being a dickhead. We didn't get it right the first time or I didn't get it right in this dynamic or this person wasn't for me and I didn't communicate properly.
And I think people have overreacted to Wes not getting it right and not communicating properly. And I think they've underreacted to Ciara not setting a boundary for herself and also not communicating properly.
I think that you're watching some late 20-somethings not communicating properly. And I don't think that it has to be a we're bashing Wes session for it.
But also, we shouldn't bash her for it. But I wouldn't say that I would be mad at myself if I was Ciara.
I just wouldn't call him a loser at dinner and then go upstairs and admit that I still want to kiss him. Like, that you could not pull out of me.
Not on national TV. That's embarrassing.
I think she just moves embarrassingly. Like, even I think last week I saw pictures of her and Jessie at Coachella and I'm like this is loser shit like this is loser shit right here just which isn't to say she can't be friends with her friend be friends with Jessie you know the guy you like him you enjoy his company all good but you also know that the show is airing and there's a certain narrative being told about you.
And there's a certain narrative with Lexi on her PR, you know, tour that Jesse pit y'all against each other. And he's manipulating the two of you and that you look kind of funny flirting with this guy who has this girl all Google Gaga over him.
And then you're going to Coachella with him. Fine.
Be friends with your friend. Go to a festival with your friend.
But the post he's posting about you, like pretending to propose to you and stuff like that. It's just like you're letting him use you and you're letting him make you look like a fool.
And even I think Lexi told some story last week about how she had invited everybody to her birthday party. And like, I guess nobody came or whatever, but those two didn't come and they purposely hung out with each other and posted about it.
And I'm like, at this point, Ciara, you're being weirdly antagonistic to this girl who, from what we've seen thus far, hasn't anything to you she seems to be in her interviews putting all the blame on jesse as she should i don't want to see lexi going after siara that would be super whack but siara's moving like a like a loser and like she's moving like a loser here with jesse it's yeah yeah honestly yeah no no i feel like emerald is the most pointless character on this show and I don't understand why he is here I mean he has given us nothing but having sex literally herpes he's given us nothing he's given us like no he hasn't tried and maybe he has and they've cut it out and this is they're just making this his storyline and he's just as confused as we all are but like I don't understand why he's here and I love I was just like I'm you know I had a hard life and now I need to fuck everything everybody that's kind of a story know, I wonder about Emeril because it has to be difficult to like walk into this

house full of people who already made connections and he's not sleeping with anybody.

So it's not like he's Lexi where he can sort of get grandfathered in that way into the

group.

And even Lexi's still sort of on the outs with these people.

But, you know, he's just he's like, OK, I'm on TV. I'm gonna make the most of it.
I don't know how you insert yourself in a group that seems that well connected. And like, I don't really blame him now.
Can he be quieter about the sex? Yeah. Be respectful, you know, have some common sense boundaries about like what's going on.
You are in a house with a bunch of people, like just be respectful of people like that. But I also think that we haven't seen any footage of them trying to get to know him either.
So I don't, I don't know what to make of him. I would have liked to see more about a good looking guy in the house with these people because I deserve eye candy, too.
But they're not showing us anything and I'm not getting the sense that anybody's trying. And he seems when people talk to him, particularly when they were confronting him all passive aggressively, which I didn't like.
Grow up, baby. Like, you don't have to accuse him of having STDs.
Just be like, quiet your shorties down. But he seemed very mature about it.
And he seems pretty self-aware, I think. I wonder if he's getting an unfair edit.
And also, it's hard to join a new group. At least West and Jesse had each other to sort of bond with.
And I don't get the sense that there's anybody that, like, Emeril can come into this dynamic, you know, tackling everything with together. I feel like him and Kyle obviously are friends before.
I feel like Emeril did something for Kyle and Kyle was like, bro, I owe you one. And he was like, get me on Summer House.
And that is why he is on this show is because he did a favor for Kyle. And Kyle was like like yeah i mean listen i started this show so yeah sure i can get you on and it has got him laid every single weekend but it doesn't even seem like kyle's doing much to help him integrate either no it was like yeah the first episode that kyle was like why don't you tell him about your life and then that was really all to go.
Yeah, exactly. DJ.
Yeah. I just, I don't think, I don't think that they're handling him well.
I think actually Emeril would make, would have a very good case for what Garcelle Beauvais felt on Beverly Hills. Like no one's smiling at him.
Yeah. You know, he doesn't get grace.
No one's smiling at him. I don't know.
I don't know. I can't tell if that's a production error.
If it's just a confluence of like production and then his sort of obsession with sex and then nobody else really making that big an effort. It definitely could definitely be be lazy producing, lazy editing, where it's just like they don't know what to do with this guy.
Then they have like the page and Craig break of it all and when they have to like focus on that storyline and things like that so maybe that isn't i found it very interesting that emerald was so good at kickball i wanted to know more about why he's so good at kickball are you in a league what do you do on your weekends when you're not in the hamptons you know he looks athletic you know it's a relatively easy's a relatively easy sport to pick up, I suppose. I want him back another season, and I want to know more about him.
He deserves another shot. I mean, he's at least willing to be messy.
I've heard everyone, like all the rumors I've heard online about Emeril are that he's a really, really sweet guy. Like he's apparently like an angel in the streets and a devil in the sheets is what I've heard.
That's what I've heard. But in a way where he communicates with everybody, no girl who's hooked up with Emeril has ever been like, he played me.
It's always like, yeah, we had sex and it was great. We were just going to have sex.
Yeah. He seems very, very aware of what he's doing and communicates that with everyone to make them comfortable and he does it.
And then he's a nice guy love that he can see the clothes that's for sure he seems like a good communicator even from the small stuff we've seen like the way that siara was talking to him she couldn't talk to me like that she was very passive aggressive rude in my opinion and the way that page even threw out the std test i mean he's a man so of course he's not going to yell at these women or anything like that, but you could not talk to me crazy like that. He communicates very, very well in those moments.
So all, you know, I would like to see more of him, even when he was talking about his cousins coming from Bangladesh and at the Shabbat dinner. And And they said, Sierra says, tell us that you love us

in Bengali. And he said it and no one seemed impressed besides Sierra.
I was like, oh,

they're not like, I don't know. People didn't seem excited about him, you know, in the same way.

Whereas like when Jesse sang and obviously he was singing, so it's not exactly the same,

the Shabbat prayer. It was more

like a big reaction to

him. I think just, I don't know

that Emeril's just getting the same chance.

That's all. Yeah, that's fair.

Rhea, this has been so much fun.

Thank you.

Come back. Yeah, you have great takes.

You guys have fun. Can you let my audience know

where they can find you, follow you,

plug anything you want to plug?

Yes, yes, yes.

You can find me on Twitter at Ray Sani, R-A-E-S-A-N-N-I.

And I'm on Instagram at Ray Sani87.

I shouldn't tell people how old I am, but Instagram won't let me take that 87 off. So that's it.

I'm going to stand it around New York you know

alright right

well whenever

you're in LA

let us know

otherwise

we'll just have you

zoom in again

oh for sure

for sure

thank you so much

for having me

my pleasure

thank you for taking the time

bye

bye bye

alright guys

bye

great takes

love

I thought it was

before we get to

humble brag

I thought it was

just really interesting

to hear Paige just talk about her relationship with Craig in a sense that, like, how she has, like, kind of everything's happening for her right now and she's never felt more anxious. Yeah.
I mean, the implication is that she, obviously this has to do with her feelings towards Craig or lack thereof, but, like, it is just really interesting, that feeling. I mean, like right now, I feel like, like you know just in my life or our life like you know there's professionally like i've never felt like more both like excited and at the same time more anxious you know but and i also think it's just a normal feeling it's higher stakes it's higher stakes you feel like you have more to lose it's like you know especially if you're someone who's like never been to the place that you've gotten to right you know and then you're like holy shit you're just like don't fuck it up you know i'm just like and it seems like paging craig we've talked about it at nausea and we've talked about how it's a lack of compatibility but like i just i just hope that this time in in page's life with all the things that are going on in her life and all the good things that she didn't overthink her relationship with Craig.
I don't know. And maybe her anxiety is coming from, who knows, right? Maybe it is coming from her relationship with Craig.
Maybe she is, in fact, listening to her body finally, and it's telling her, hey, Craig is great, but he's not my guy. But it's just from personal experience, I know that having a lot of great things happen for you in a lot of aspects of your life, you think you're supposed to feel one way and only to feel another.
And it's a very weird, fucked up feeling to have. And just watching Paige talk about that feeling, I related to, and I just, I very hope that like it's not one of those things where she looks back a couple of years from now and says, as imperfect as we were, I had a good thing with the guy.
So I don't know. Having anxiety and going to be alone and then hearing someone fucking.
Yeah. Yeah.
That would actually send me over the edge. Yeah.
I would have been banging on the wall like shut up. And you could tell she was so like you could see the anxiety see the anxiety just on her face coming through her skin.
She's like, I have to be alone. I'm clearing off this bed.
I'm getting in this bed. I need silence.
And then the thumping and the fake moaning, it would. Yeah.
As someone whose next door neighbor tends to at times have very loud performative sex, it's literally the most infuriating. Fake moaning is brutal.
It's pretty yeah. Do we need this? Absolutely not.
You're just trying to like cry. We just started.
You're literally just trying to have like your at home cry where no one's around and then you're anyway. Alright up next the ladies from Humble Bragg join us.

If you're into health care, you've probably heard of figs.

And if you haven't tried them yet, let me just say they are a total game changer.

These scrubs are made specifically for awesome humans designed to handle long shifts,

constant movement and everything the job throws at you.

Also, you can perform at your best.

I will say the one thing that I miss about being in health care every single day was wearing my figs. Figs is engineered for comfort and performance.
Figs scrubs lightweight, breathable, stretchy, and antimicrobial built to keep up with long shifts, back-to-back patients, and whatever the day throws at you. They're modern, tailored fit without sacrificing function.
These aren't your boxy, one-size-fits-all scrubs. They're designed with precision and come in flattering styles and colors.
With smart pockets, secure zippers, and thoughtful detail so you can perform at your best. They're more than scrubs.
They're a movement. Figs is changing the perception of medical apparel through their Threads for Threads initiative.
They're outfitting healthcare professionals around the world. Check out the new Formex fabric, Ultra Sleek Meets Ultra Stretch.
This new fabric features four-way stretch. It's moisture wicking and always cool to the touch, making it the perfect choice for days that demand it all.
So wherever you wear Figs, in the ER, on rounds, at the clinic, or even just running errands after a shift, make it count. Go to wearfigs.com and use the code FIGSRX to get 15% off your first order.
That's wearfigs.com. Code FIGSRX for 15% off your first order.
Well, I'm currently looking at my baby napping right now thanks to the Nanit. It's really quite nice and have that peace of mind.
Nanit Baby Monitor has been an absolute game changer for me and Natalie, especially for me. Maybe I'm just saying that as the dad.
We are both pretty present parents, but every once in a while I have a thing to do or a place to go and I have to spend some time away from my family. And when I am, thank God that I have the Nanit Baby Monitor.
The Baby Monitor allows you to see your baby from anywhere at any time. When you're at work, traveling or having a date night, you can stay connected all from the Nanit app.
The high def camera means you can actually see your baby. No grainy images where you can't see what's happening.
I love to zoom in and just like make sure she's breathing. The camera quality is immaculate.
You really can see your baby breathing and it does feel good to just check on them. Sometimes you realize you're a little neurotic, but hey, you know, it's just nice to know.
Also, I've listened to River Sleep while I've been on my runs. It's just kind of nice.
You know, I just have that sound going on because you can still listen to music and your baby breathing at the same time with the Nana. You know, it's not an either or.
You have the option. You can.
You can be on the phone. You can be watching TV.
You can be doing whatever you got to do. It'll play through all the other noise.
It's great. You can still hear your baby's room.
The Nana Baby Monitor is the most awarded baby monitor

and app on the market.

Awarded by the New York Times Wirecutter,

Parents Magazine, The Skim, and more.

The Nana Baby Monitor is changing parenthood

for the better.

It's the one baby item we cannot live without.

Of course, we have a special offer for our listeners.

Get 20% off your first order with code BABY20.

That's B-A-B-Y-2-0 at nana.com now. Na-n-i-t.com nanit parenthood looks different here don't miss your chance to spring into deals at lowe's right now get a free 60 volt toro battery when you purchase a select 60 volt toro electric mower plus buy three 19.
vegetable and herb bonnie plants for just $10. It's time to give your yard a grow up.
Lowe's, we help. You save.
Valid through 423. Selection varies by location.
While supplies last, discount taken at time of purchase. Actual plant size and selection varies by location.
Excludes Alaska and Hawaii. I'm obviously very excited about these things.

They're very, I don't know why.

So anyways, Crystal and Cynthia, welcome back.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We have no structure on Humble Rags.

We were talking about, these are LaBuboos?

LaBubo.

LaBuboos.

And you have one, isn't he cute?

I will say I've been playing with one for the past three minutes and I am a little into it. So you're a fan of like the purse charms, the bag charms.
It's very Asian. This is like the new troll? Yes, yes.
My mom used to collect trolls. Yeah.
And it's a good thing. And like as a kid, like my, I didn't have money to like, my parents wouldn't like lean into like stuff like this.
But what was very like, you know, I went to college in China for a year. And so it got really popular were like cell phone beads and chains.
Yeah. Right.
So like Asian culture is very like childish. Like we like little kitty things.
So everything's hanging. And then people started hanging like stuffed animals off their phone.
So this is like very not a big deal. But this is a Chinese company called I don't not it's not sponsored or anything.
I just but if you hear me, I love you. So you don't work for them.
I don't work for them. I just give them a lot of money.
So are we in a trade war? Well, I'm Chinese. I get to bypass all of that.
In fact, Rob's on the way to China right now. Lucy's driving to the airport and I have given him very clear instructions.
He's like, I'm not going, but Sabrina, who's our friend, she actually came and recorded with us once. She just sat in there, but she's meeting him there in Beijing and she's bringing an empty suitcase to fill it up with LaBuboos.
Can we get one for River? I will give you one. I will buy River one.
I'll buy one. You're going to buy all of them.
You're going to get obsessed.

No, they're super rich. Let her buy one.

No, I'm not rich. I've learned

to not say I'm rich because she gets

all the free stuff. I don't get free stuff.

The first time you brought it up, I just played along

and just tried to be cool and act like I knew what you were

talking about, but it won't go away.

You brought a bag full today. I'm like, okay, this is

happening. So what is this and why

am I holding it and why do we care? so pop mart is a store and the guy this 36 seven year old chinese guy who created created this company they're like sealed i mean adorable that's cute nick you've never looked cuter that is adorable and so they're sealed like you open the box and you don't know what color you you get so it's it's like yeah surprise so that it's a surprise toy so he kind of created this thing and i think what i read is that he might be it's probably not the richest but he's multi multi-billionaire multi-billionaire so they create they have like licenses with like disney and stuff like that they create it's almost like not the bobble heads the you know the ones with the big head characters funky funk pops the pop head thing yeah funky funk pops yeah yeah yeah you guys remember Garbage Pail Kids of course I just heard that yesterday Garbage Pail Kids I know none of this okay I love toys I have a 25 so anyway so this these ones I'm holding is the they they're called crybabies. Sounds like an infomercial.

I know.

And you love toys.

And you sure you don't work with these people.

And if you call right now.

I feel like there's a check coming Christmas way.

So Labubu became this crazy, crazy, everyone's trying to find them.

They're all over the streets.

They're all the fufus now.

Can you buy them in America?

So you have to wait in line.

And if they refill, they're gone in seconds. If you go on TikTok, you'll see people wait nine hours in line.
Yeah, it's crazy. But what happened was when we were in Spain for spring break, Zoe seemed to think that she was going to find one.
She was very committed to finding one in Spain. I was like, you're never going to find one.
We walked by this store. We walked by twice over the week.
And then all of a sudden, there's a little boo-boo at the window. We started screaming, all of us.
We ran in. Even Rob? Even Rob.
He screamed the loudest. Let me tell you, he's like, what? And by the way, we had found this one, the Crybabies, which is popular, but not like a li-boo-boo.
And Zoe goes, Dad, look what I bought today, because he was at the hotel working. And he goes, oh, cute.

She's like, we only spent $65.

And Rob's like, what did you spend on that thing?

I was like, shh, you're not supposed to tell them the price.

But I felt very excited about it because I knew it was worth double, right?

Because I'm a value person.

So I'm obviously very excited.

I'm like shaking because I'm super excited.

Rob's going to bring home a bunch.

So anyway, so we see this store.

We run in and the guy in Spain happens to be Chinese. He's like Spanish Chinese.
And as I'm talking Chinese, I'm like, is that real? He goes, it's real. And I was like, oh my God.
And he goes, we have a new shipment. We have two new boxes, like three boxes of six.
And they're behind him. By the time we get to that sentence, there is a guy coming around and starts grabbing.
There's like Labubu keychains. He not even making just pulling them all off all off and then another guy comes behind me goes are you taking those i'm like yes we're taking all of them and then i look at rob like everyone's here to buy them he goes buy them all like because suddenly now we're like under pressure and all of a sudden people just start like surrounding us to buy them it was crazy so like now i'm like oh man this is really coveted i need all of them so we hand carried like we i usually divorce rob if he's like i forgot to buy some yeah i got super busy and i just like forgot with an empty suitcase the papers are ready but don't worry he knows he doesn't want the wrath of me but he's very aware he's like he even said i'll hand carry them home because the kids don't want the box I know you're looking at me like I'm a crazy person look how cute look at he's protecting you what's his name we haven't named him yet I have a question so I just like that you can you can you take the hat off yeah so that one is a capybara outfit that Max found at that store.

But you can go on Etsy and they have, yeah.

So what's your question?

All right, I have a question.

I'm here for you.

Just so I'm clear, because I've never heard of this until a week ago.

And then you brought it back up again.

And now I'm holding one.

These are not just for children.

Grown adults collect these as well.

Yes, they're collector's items. Crystal's like, what do you think I am? Yeah.
No, but I thought you were just buying them to sell them to children. No.
Okay, that's the other part of the story. So when we bought all of them.
That sounded weird. It's a song.
You bought them to sell them to kids. So, I mean, it's a toy at the end of the day.
Am I not? Am I crazy? Is this not like a little cute stuffed animal? It is a toy. So, yes, you've brought up something that's very important.
So when we bought 18 of them, because there are three packs of six, I had said to Rob, OK, here's the because he's like, this is crazy. It's very expensive.
So I said to Rob, this is what I'll do, because you can sell them for like three, four times online. So I said, I'll sell as many as I need to to recoup the money and the rest we get to keep.
He goes, fine. So literally yesterday, he said, how many of you sold? And I haven't even put them on yet.
You already knew that answer. Because I can't...
Okay, there's the surprise one which is the dark brown one. It's like, which one do we sell? We love them all.
Well, that's a problem because you don't know what's inside. So if I sell the magic one, which is the dark brown one, that would cover.

It's like selling a lottery ticket you haven't scratched off yet.

Exactly.

Wow.

I understand your plight.

What's the magic one?

So there's a really special one that's dark brown.

And I obviously beat him.

Why is that one special?

And Max is, because it's like rare, super rare to get that.

Okay.

So Max is literally like, what if we sell the brown one? What, like, we're going to feel so bad. I'm like, well, we won't really know.
Just open them up and then staple them back. Right? But by the way, you know, you could also sell them and video, like, people will pre-buy them and let you unbox it with them on Zoom.
Do you ever think you'd leave Housewives to hawk kids' toys? Why think i left now you've discovered what are you doing do you feel like if that if you were still on and you were like talking to the women about this do you think they would also get involved i mean i think they would try to to get that bag but i'm not no but i would probably gift it to them on the show what about the just to feel really like i'm really like you are trying to bra there you go so anyways but i'm not giving any of these away what about clothes i thought i was like i saw something like they had clothes like gucci like where do you buy their gucci so it's not real gucci yeah so that's the outfit so this one so it comes with you have the option to buy the bear or whatever this is and then the thing what is this what is this animal it's a labubu but what's a labubu like what is that he's his own person he's not a bear okay well it's a mythical creature it's a mythical creature so you're not holding cherries got it but where do I buy his clothes what is that this looks like cherry it is cherries yeah yeah they're called cherry crybabies yes twins yes of course where do I buy the clothes? Natalie, please. Mine doesn't have clothes.
If I want to get clothes. He's naked.
We have an outfit. We have a panda outfit for him.
But Max didn't like the panda outfit. So that's one Zoe's actually.
You can buy a bunch with the extra $160,000 you want to get out. That's right.
I could start a business as well. Do you need a partner? Well, I might.
I recently came into a big sum of money. And I've recently lost a lot.
Are you looking for an investor? In Spain selling the company. So, yes, let's, let's, where's your money? We should talk.
Have you been paid yet? I can confirm that I have not actually, the money has not hit my account. Okay.
But I will be seeing the cast tomorrow at a huge Hulu event for Got to Get Out. And that is- I think we're supposed to go to that event.
Something that I will be asking. But I mean, it's kind of like, I mean, I know it's coming.
I mean, Hulu do not want to smoke. Right? Yeah, they all want to smoke.
Hulu do not want to smoke with me. I know it's coming.
And the great thing about it is my partner, Stein, is, you know, he's very trustworth.

Like, I felt like that was part of picking.

Which one was he?

He was the one that ran.

Like, I used his legs to get out because I couldn't get out.

But does he technically get the money?

Well.

See, I was actually wondering that.

And you're just trusting that he would spend it with you.

Yeah.

But did you run out together or did he actually run out?

No, I had the point of getting him. If I could run out, I would have did it myself and just escaped by myself.
So he's technically the winner. Connoisseur.
You just didn't push that button fast enough. So maybe...
Well, I did not. I pushed it after he got out.
But yeah. I forget his name.
Was he a paparazzi? Oh. He was like a writer.
Yeah, he was called a writer. He was the first one that tried to escape one that tried to escape he tried to get out in a garbage can it looked like it looked like hulu casted a paparazzi and i was like no he actually works for he's a journalist so yeah well okay he was relentless for star magazine yeah but it was a fun game like you guys should all do the show i'm sure it's going to get a second season.
Everybody's talking about it. She always says that to me.
Like, oh, you should do that show. I'm like, they're not offering me.
They know what offers me shows. They'll offer her.
If I keep putting it into the universe, they're going to call. Like, you get shows.
You get offers. I don't get offered anything.
Because you keep saying how you're so booked and busy with the Libuboos. Because you said out there.
Because you said, I need money. People, she paid for these things.

And I feel like I'm cheaper than you.

Would you do traders?

Yeah.

We talk about it every episode.

Every day.

Yes, I think I'd be a great trader.

For sure.

Because I'd walk around like dolls.

People think like, the girl's so stupid and like whatever.

And then I would just like behind their back just stab them.

I wanted to make it work this season, but it couldn't happen.

I hope you passed my name along.

I did.

And it didn't go well. I don't have that much power, you know? Well, that's next season.
Would you do it later? I've been wanting to do it. Yeah.
I've been asked in the past. It's just I haven't been able to make it work with the sketch, you know? Would you want to be a traitor or a faithful? I think it'd be fun to try either.
Yeah. I think I'm better at finding liars and being a liar.
Yeah. Can I tell you, I would, if I was on your season, I would assume that you were a traitor.
That's why I think it'd be better if you were faithful because you would have to constantly prove your, I would just think you're a traitor automatically. I think I would go in with a target on my back.
Yeah. For sure.
Don't you think? But I also think the only thing I have going for me is like, I'm kind of an obvious, I'm too obvious. Like the same reason Wells got out episode one is because everyone was like, oh, there's no way he's a traitor, so let's call him a traitor.
He's like the affable guy that everyone doesn't suspect where a lot of people, it would be the opposite. Right.
I think a lot of people would suspect me. I could still get me in trouble.
Did you hear what she said? Oh, I just said you had traitor energy. Fuck you.
Fuck you. I didn't want that to get bypassed.
Which will make, I mean mean it's really a compliment if you want to do the show kenya kind of said fuck you to you oh god oh okay can we just go back to traders really that transition i thought this was good that i'm not getting in oh my god this is not housewives no no no but i don't want to talk about a lot of housewives i want to talk about Atlanta Housewives. I want to talk about Got to Get Out and't want to talk about Atlanta Housewives.

I want to talk about Got to Get Out and I want to talk about Traitors.

But this is what I don't like about Traitors.

You didn't ask,

but I'd just like to just say

if I was on the show, which I hope I get to do it

one day as well, I don't like

if I'm casted as a faithful

and then I become a traitor later.

I just want to be a faithful or I want to be a traitor. I don't like when they do that.
Usually you have the option. But it's not my show.
To say no, yeah. We usually have the option to say no.
I think this season... I think there's like one opportunity early on where you can bring in somebody or kill someone and then the final time that that happens, it's either you accept being a traitor or you go home.
Or you go home, yeah. You have to.
Everybody always accepts, so I just thought you just had to accept. Did anyone not accept? Didn't Peter Weber not accept? Oh, he didn't accept.
Often they don't accept. Okay.
Yeah, Peter Weber didn't last season. Well, as you can see, I'm not a mastermind with these competition shows.
I just somehow do pretty decent with them. Well, it really is.
I mean, you know, Netflix had Million Dollar Secret. I just watched that yeah it's good that was that was just i want to do that how did you how did you like being mixed up with uh other uh reality tv stars and then you know half normies oh i thought that was great i thought that was the perfect mixture what did you like about that well i like that the people that we did that i didn't know they were all interesting and i got to know them and and then it was like i've never worked with like i've worked with kim on housewives of atlanta but we were never like super friendly on housewives so we were roommates i got to actually get to know her and i really liked her and i'm gonna see her tomorrow for the hulu event or whatever and i know omarosa but i've never like slept in a twin size bed right beside her before so and she's like you know she was when she walked in I was like oh shit shit this guy real because he's good and but she was like super nice and like normal like soon as she walked in she was like I got you sis and I was like thank you lord but anyway yeah what do you think of Spencer Pratt oh Spencer was great I actually didn't really know who he was but everybody kept saying Spencer Pratt is in here like I just don't know if I know you I I don't, I don't.
And I love him, but I just didn't know that he was like Spencer Pratt. So I didn't really focus on him a lot.
He was kind of like a loner in there. And then when I saw the show, of course he was like doing the most, but I just always saw him walking around looking for clues.
I didn't even know he was really in play half of the time. He just was kind of doing his own thing.
But I had my eye on my guy that got us out. We were the only ones to actually get out of the house.
And I liked him because he was like a little, he was quiet, very unassuming. But when I did talk to him, he did mention that he was like, you know, a big adventure guy.
He's always like jumping off cliffs and going to all these crazy, dangerous locations and doing all kinds of dangerous stuff. And I was like, well, if he can do all that, he can run his ass down this driveway

and get out the gate.

I'm going to start crying.

Why are you laughing?

Is the headphones?

What?

My headphones are wrong?

What?

I thought you did that on purpose.

They're backwards.

Oh my God.

I thought you did that

because Crystal's not wearing them.

Oh Lord.

She put the speaker out.

I had a late flight. It was in case you wanted to hear Lord.
She put the speaker hours.

I had a late flight.

It was in case you wanted to hear.

She was getting on to you.

This is much better.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to interrupt you. Okay.

All right.

Well, then, can we start over?

I'm sorry.

I didn't hear the half part of the podcast.

So Kenya said, fuck you.

Yeah, this is my cat.

She didn't.

She said, let's not talk about Cynthia.

Yeah.

Thank you.

But that was good.

I actually like that for you. Oh, okay.
I love that that for me I didn't take that as necessarily talking shit really I didn't either well she didn't take that I was very grateful for it yeah well I know I see what you mean I think she was a little upset but I also it's like I'm not even gonna go there right now but I will say I didn't really I just watched the clip I didn't watch the thing but man the comments were very not positive. They were like, enough already.
What were they saying? Quadrupling down. She acted like it was a confessional, essentially.
But every time I see stuff like that happen, I'm reminded how quickly audience moves on. Two weeks ago, it was Team Kenya.
Two weeks later, it's like, oh, God, enough already. We don't care.
We've moved on. And it's sad because it's like her life and it's like we all go through that.
But like audience is very quick. They are done with her.
Did you watch this most recent episode of Atlanta? I did. You did.
Yes. Did you also find it absolutely laughable that Drew was trying to compare her like, people have talked about me.

I understand what you're going through to Britt after all of her being like, no, I get it. I get what you're going through.
Like, people have talked about me online, too. Those definitely aren't the same, though.
No, I wouldn't say. Having your naked photos on a poster board and people being like.

Performing fellatio, no, it's not the same.

I mean, as a housewife, you know, we've all been talked about and dragged to a certain degree. Totally.
But I think if I had to pick one thing I wouldn't want to happen to me, it would be someone showing me doing performing. Well, yeah.
Yeah. Is Kenyon just going to be like, shouldn't have done it? I don't know.
Listen, I have done my last interview really speaking about it, to be honest, because I get asked about it all the time. And I've just already said what I've said.
So I don't know. I don't really know.
It's just like Kenyon just keeps talking and going. What do you make of Drew's divorce? Do you feel like she has something to hide or Ralph has something to hide when it comes to it? It makes sense why she wanted to seal those documents so bad and then like blame it on on Ralph's behavior.
But then she was also like, no, no, no. It's all because of Ralph and he's done this and he's done that.
And it's like, well, what are you trying to keep a secret? And then he was the one who wanted those documents unsealed. Did you think anything? You know what? I've been married and divorced twice.
And I was lucky enough for the men that I married to just let me be divorced and leave me alone after it wasn't working out anymore. So I'm so grateful for that.
And then I see all these other divorces that are just so complicated like i look at drew and ralph and i just thank god that i didn't marry ralph that's all i can see is he kind of a bum no he's i love ralph he's a great guy i'm just glad i didn't marry him because i'm like why is he i just listen i'm a pisces i'm a lover of love when when the shit is working let it work but when it's over like they should just call it. Like it just shouldn't take all of this.
Like, no, we can't break up and you live in the basement. Why does he live in the basement? No, I want you out of the house.
Like I preferably want you out of the state if possible. And he's like excited to live in the basement when that judge is going to court to live in the basement.
It's just too much. It's just too much.
I feel like there's no point of separating and getting a divorce and still living in the same house like i get the whole thing like i think you know the focus should always be the kids and what's going to be good for the kids but i'm like if like i i just like a quick like just make it in just make it stop but i just think it's just not good and it just feels like it's's going to be worse. Like, it just is just going down a rabbit hole.
Did you feel like it was fucked up on Angela's part to invite Drew to the, to Portia's birthday trip in Nashville? I understand what Angela was trying to do, but she's just still getting, she's still getting to know Portia. I know Portia more than I know Angela.
And I know like for Portia's birthday, when Portia's not fucking with you, she's not fucking with you. So I felt bad.
I love what Angela was trying to do, but I felt bad for Drew because I knew when she showed up, you know, it was not going to be a very welcoming situation for her. But also to have everyone in Nashville talking about Drew coming and then pan to Drew back

in Atlanta FaceTiming Dennis, I was like, oh, that's OK.

That's one way to go.

You know?

Yeah.

There was that.

She's not done in the Dennis space.

Look, I if OK, we're on a TV show. We're going on a cast trip.
We want all the cast to be. Yeah.
But here's the thing. If a cast member is telling me I do not want Cynthia to come.
Matter of fact, they don't invite me. They make it very clear they don't want me to come.
There's scenes with people telling me that she doesn't want me to come. I'm going to try my best to fight not to be there.
To be on. Because I know I'm walking into a very uncomfortable situation.
That's true. When Portia, I don't know who said it, they're like, that's not what this is about.
She's like, it's about me. It's my birthday.
Which, I mean, it was a birthday and it was a birthday celebration. And I I think for your birthday celebration you should get to be around the people that you you know curate the list to be around yeah it was like Angela had good intent of being like very much so a peace trip and then Portia's like this isn't a peace trip we had a peace brunch that didn't work very well This is my birthday.
That was far from being a peace brunch.

Yeah.

No, that was crazy.

Crystal, now that a whole season.

Leave me alone about it.

You are a housewife.

I am a friend of the show,

which means that I actually should have a very limited amount of smoke when it comes to real. So that's why you're perfect for these types of appearances because you're right.
Your name is everywhere. Do you see a peach in his hand? No, you see a little labubu in his hand.
This is not a peach. I'm not like, Cynthia, what the fuck did you do? Do not ask me peach questions.
I'm more like, I'm more like. Ask me labubu questions.
You're asking me housewife questions when I'm a friend. Wait, Cynthia, though, you have to admit, you have more confessionals and airtime than a friend of I have ever seen.
You're not your housewife. They made you a maid.
Okay, that's true. I am a special friend.
I will say that. I do get treatment.
I do. But I think that's just an OG thing.
It's just a respect thing. Yeah.
And that's pretty cool. I mean, I was on the show.
I was a housewife for over a decade. So thank you for throwing me the respect.
That's why we want to know your opinion. You're like the omniscient narrator now.
I've been giving my opinion. I literally have been on a press tour and I've been talking about this for two weeks.
And I just can't talk about it anymore. And of course, no one's going to be like, oh, they just keep asking Cynthia this.
The people on social media literally think I just want to get up and put my wig on and my CB

Vora hat on and talk about this

all day long. I actually don't.

You guys are pulling the words

out of my mouth.

We're bullies.

I'm so being bullied today.

And I keep making it and every

time I do an interview I'm like so I'm just putting

it out there that this is my last time talking about

this situation and every time I'm in another interview going this is my last time talking about this situation. It's Kenya's fault.
But this is it. Look.
It's Kenya's fault. This is really the last time.
At this point, I love Crystal talking about it. You have some good points because you actually go and you read and you look at all the things and then you tell me.
It's kind of like how I did for Beverly Hills. This is my thing where I'm like, I want I don't want to talk about this.
This is someone that I, you know, was like really good friends with. All right, Crystal.
Yeah, put Crystal's ass in my seat. Do you think there's going to be a blow up response to Portia's friend alleging Drew sucked Dennis' dick? Oh, I forgot that.
That was said on there? Yeah. It's a teaser for next week.
She said it and then it was like See that one more time. See the sentence one more time.
Portia's friend at the table in Nashville accuses Drew sucked Dennis' dick and then in Portia's confessional, she's like, yeah, he would be like, they just gave me head. They just gave me head.
And they just gave me head. Like she admitted that.
I think it's always going to have, I was going to say blowback, but that was a weird choice of words. No pun intended.
But yes, of course. But again, I think this is going to be one week.
And then the next thing's like, that's what's crazy about this show. Especially Atlanta.
Like, you guys are so heightened and like crazy things happen. But everyone moves on to the next thing.
They really do. But like if that happened on Beverly Hills, it would be the entire season.
That's so true. I can't even imagine you guys talking about three years of the same topic.
getting dick sucked. No.
And on Beverly Hills. Oh, no.
Kyle won't even talk about being next to Morgan. I know.
And Alana's over here just doing sucking. You're all crazy over there.
Sucking. Sucking and I won't say the effort.
See, when you get her like relax, it's crazy. Cynthia's nuts.
No, I mean, no, because I'm like, I've had like three hours of sleep. So you'll take advantage of her.
I know. We will always want you to talk some tea.
I know. I know.
What about Britt alleging that Angela's husband had a baby on her? This is crazy stuff. What about that? What about that? There's called DNA test dna test right i mean i don't know this is so i can't even what you're saying sounds like a soap opera it's it doesn't even sound like real real one episode all in one and i think we're only like episode five or six but that you guys are able to sort of bypass like i also feel that too it's like Everyone're everyone still like stands all the girls on the show it's like these things are massive accusations they're massive life altering things like i don't even i mean leather pants to me affected me for many years like this oh my god that's such low-hanging fruit for a little i wish somebody would talk about my leather talk about my leather pants.
Yeah, I'm like, I was very conscious of wearing leather for like three years. I'm like, I could never handle.
Do you still have those pants? Hell yeah. Rob is like, well, not let me wear them because he wants them protected.
In a case. Yes.
They're in a LeBouble case. That's what you need to be selling.
I feel like you get a lot of money for those leather pants. They're like famous.
They are famous. They are? Yes, they are.
Crystal. Yes.
Uh, Garcelle has unfollowed the entire Real Housewives of Beverly Hills cast. Does she still follow you? Including Sutton.
Yes. She still follows you? Yes.
Okay. Yes.
Have you heard from Garcelle? I talked to her, um, the day of, uh, the announcement. Okay.
Yeah. So right away.
Before or after? Right after. I saw it.
And then I messaged her and then she called me when we were in Morocco. Okay.
And We talked for a little bit and that was it. Could you put some context around her exit? No, because I didn't ask her about it.
You know, because I know what it feels like. It's too new.
It was just more of like, hope you're great. Thank you.
It was time. That was it.
And I'm not pushing anybody because it took me months to even mention it. But your exit was pretty calm and It just was more like, I'm not coming back.
I'm not coming back. Yeah.
You know? Yeah. Enjoyed the run.
Correct. So for me, it was tough enough to deal with it.
So with her being kind of public and then obviously from what I saw, she felt quite betrayed by Sutton and the girls.

Not necessarily the girls, but like.

It seems centered around Sutton.

Yes, that's what I mean.

It seemed very much about Sutton.

So the last thing I need to do is probe someone about that.

I saw it.

It's like, you know.

But yeah, apparently she still follows Jennifer and Kathy, which makes sense.

Yeah, but I wasn't even there this year.

Do you think it's centered around Sutton?

Yes.

Or? Or is it a combination of, like, did she quit the show because of this view with Sutton? I guess. Or is she ready to be done? Because that was like her last friend.
And if her last friend doesn't have her back, then I stay on the show. I think her in the moment, because you know, and you could speak to this, you've done so many i'm saying about reunions okay go ahead there is you can't even describe walking into reunion

the stress the pressure the fear the anxiety that you have is so heightened like it's really really

stressful because it is like it's just standing in front of a firing squad the whole time. And so when you go in there, you're, you know, you know, the packages, right? It's like, you're a little package and then everyone comes for you.
Like you need someone to help you. And if you're on your own, you got to be really strong to be on your own.
You got, I mean, I'm not like I, I, and I'm always felt alone, but like, that's why I kind of shut down a lot until I felt really strongly about something. But like, I mean, Garcelle has rode for Sutton for so long in almost like, I just want to be careful of my words.
I just, sometimes it wasn't warranted. And she was like having Sutton's back out of principle, friend out of being her friend something was right right and there's a lot of people that do that and i think that's great for that kind of friendship and there's people who are like going to call someone out and she really and i think not only that sutton again i haven't to be honest i didn't watch it i just seen clips but the clips are enough no i'm saying't see the whole context of the episodes.
But from what I saw, it seemed like she was on her own and Sutton didn't defend her. On top of that, not defending her to the women that she felt like were against the two of them together.
And then all of a sudden, so in her mind, I imagine it's like, oh, wait, are you now, not only did you not defend me for me, but like, are you now part of them?

And so you can't move forward like that.

I get that.

Like, you can't, I would not go back if I really felt like I was on an island like that. Do you feel like Garcelle was invalid? And because this is her, she's gone to several reunions, she knows how how it works to expect the women to smile at her and connect with her throughout the reunion knowing that everyone is on edge and nervous yeah i saw this smile comment it's hard for me to think that that was the only thing that happened i think that was like used to like explain yeah i kind of wonder if yeah i don't That was a soundbite without context.
But I think what she really was feeling was like,

I... I think that was like used to like explain.
Yeah. I kind of wonder if that was a soundbite without context.
But I think what she really was feeling was like, I walked in and I could, like you were saying, you know, you say you go into an event. She's like, leave.
I'm not here. I'm good.
I'm good. I'm referring to what you're saying.
It's like when you go to an event and no one's looking in the eye and you're like, wait a minute when you're not really, you didn't expect to be like the one being shot at you're like wait what's happening and so that feeling it usually means you you are the target you're the target and i think that she based on her them using that is showing that she wasn't expecting to be the target so she was really surprised and was um she felt she she felt surprised. Like she wasn't expecting that.
So that's my opinion. Another thing that the audience members are struggling with is Garcelle kind of standing her ground when it came to her opinion about Dorit and the whole robbery of it all.
And like, honestly, like as a fan of the show, I've had the opinion that that whole situation is murky, shady, questionable. And as fans, I just feel like it's one thing for us to speculate and talk about things we watch on a show.
And we know that like in that group, it seems like a lot of people have speculated, but even like there's a, there's just a difference between housewives getting together as friends or fans talking online about rumors versus actual housewives who are part of these groups going on these shows and then saying, I think this and I, you know, and I, this is how I feel, you know? And I think a lot of the audience members are struggling with like, whether they agree with Garcelle's opinion or not, just recognizing that like, you're still kind of accusing her of like. A fraud.
A fraud. Yeah.
On television. On television.
I understand. With access to these people.
And it's just, it's different than like gossiping in a group or, or fans platforming these rumors. And what are your, what are your thoughts on that? I see both sides for sure.
I see that she's someone that that's i think we talked about this one time i was here it was i said that's how she feels about this specific situation and all the audience wants is someone to be super honest about how they feel with that is going to get backlash that's normal because a lot of people are saying that's too far i I think had she been, instead of just saying, that's how I feel, had she given sort of primary examples like dates and why she feels that way. You don't just feel that way about someone.
I don't think that you did something fraudulent because I have a sense. And so when it came to the Erica stuff, we had talked about different articles coming out, different lawsuits.
And so like no one really pushed back on us when we did that. It was like this is our opinion based on this specific information.
We're not bringing it up out of thin air. And we talked about those things.
I think this situation was like it was thrown out, but it wasn't actually dissected enough as to why. Not to say that it that's, you know, it's real or anything like that.
But I'm just saying, like, had she said those things? Well, I saw, you know, these things were, you know, financial financial issues were cleared up and da da da. I think maybe it would have resulted in.
I don't know. It just I don't know.
That's what I feel. Well, the thing about the reunion, I'll just say this.
Like if you're going to put out any strong statements or feelings or thoughts or whatever, that's the time when you really have to be able to really back it up. Because we're all watching to see, OK, well, why do you feel this way? Yeah.
And it just didn't seem like she had back. That's right.
She just said, I feel this way. Yeah.
That's not enough. And at a reunion, that's just not enough.
And she almost seemed to be waiting for whether it was Sutton or anyone else. Well, she wanted Sutton to say, I feel this way too.
And because she probably knew Sutton's opinion. Correct.
Because they talk a lot. And I had said this, we did Carlos King's pod, and that was a question.
His whole thing is, oh, there's an alliance. I'm like, there's always an alliance.
But they would say like, oh, this summer we're going to Greece together. We're not filming.
They're going on vacation. They're friends.
So whatever they're talking about and at the core of your friendship with the show tends to be about the show. You're going to talk about, it just takes over your life.
It's just natural. And you're always going to talk about everybody and whatever and gossip.
So I think Garcelle was expecting Sutton to back her up.

She did not prepare herself enough with the information.

She just wanted someone else to be there for her and she wasn't.

So I think in that situation, she was like,

oh, wait, you're going to throw me into the bus?

Then I'm out.

Yeah.

Why do you think Sutton didn't back her up?

Because she wants to be really close with Kyle.

And I've said this out loud to Sutton, to everybody like you really want kyle's um approval what has been sutton's response to those she's like no we're friends like no i like you know i'm like and i know you're friends but you know you have to sun's never like acknowledged what feels like a double standard to other people no i've never really i mean the other girls do that like i remember remember like Erica and Rinna, that was really the thing against that. And that wasn't my thing because I didn't experience it with that, in that, with her.
But I think she just really wants, because I think she felt secure in her friendship with Garcelle. You know, it's like, you're like, this is good.
This seed is watered enough. I need to work on this.
But then you killed the seed. No.
I mean, I get what Garcelle's saying. When PK and Dorit talk about their finances, it always sounds shady.
When Dorit's saying things like, no, no, no, we are paying our mortgage, but PK just decided that if they don't call me back, that's not how banks work. He also wears track suits, which I find to be is that your telltale sign you're shady with money if you were if you're an adult white man wearing full track suits i don't know and you don't pay your bills on time i don't i don't trust you wow i don't know white men who wear track suits are really catching strays to them rob take off the tracksuit on the right air.
Rob doesn't strike me as a guy

who's wearing a matching tracksuit.

He's not.

But in case he is.

Do you miss it at all?

Right now?

No.

Like today particularly, no.

I started watching that documentary,

which I want to talk about on Humblebrag.

Which one?

It's like, not the dark side of Rial. It's the one that just came out.
And I just started the Housewives portion. Demon, Hollywood Demons.
Oh, I'm not familiar. Should we be watching? What's it on? On Max? On Max, I believe.
Yes. They have a whole episode on Housewives.
So it's and I think it's going to focus on she was in Beverly Hills, went to Orange County. Taylor.
Taylor Armstrong. Oh, yes.
Yes. So there's a new documentary.
I mean, the way I mean, of course, it's like very salacious and the way they open, you know, the dark documentary about the show. And it was like, oh, you know, it's like they flash like, you know, like mug shots.
And I was, whoa, like, this is not me. That's I just felt today, you know, just today.
Like, and I really am grateful for the experience, honestly. And there's parts of it that I miss.
But this morning was like, whoa, like that's I'm in a really good place. I have to say that's one of like, I think, a very underrated feeling of like going through something, leaving it and being really sad about leaving it and being like, I feel left out.
I feel this. I feel that.
And then time passes and you look back on the scenario and you're like, I am so glad that I'm out of that. I'm so glad I'm like not associated with those people anymore.
I'm so glad my life went this way and their life went that way. Like that is a very.

Yeah. So for you to be able to sit where you are today and look back and be like, no, I'm good.
I'm so happy with my labooboos and I'm not on the show. I honestly, I was just like, man, I just was sitting in the kitchen watching alone and just the first like 15 minutes.
Yeah. In the kitchen.
And I was just like, I literally thought about Cynthia. I was like, God, I'm like so lucky to like part of Envy and be a part of Humblebrag and be with Cynthia and talk about it.
And while it's not that it's like, I definitely have moments of missing and I definitely have moments of all that nostalgia. I just wish I enjoyed it more.
And that's on me. I wish I didn't take it so seriously.
I wish I knew the game better. I wish I exploited it better for my own gain.
It really took a toll on me emotionally. I just was like, why? Looking back now, I watch it.
Again, the Kendi thing was so big. And now two weeks later, no one cares.
I took everything home for so long. And I just i just wish i didn't and i had everyone around me from rob to my friends like get over it doesn't matter yeah but your last week's news no one cares i'm like but everyone cares you know and i just yeah so like it's easier than that part but i yes you know like i mean is it true that like people in some ways have moved on from the kenya more you know drama drama? Sure.
But I guarantee you, I've never met Kenya, you know, but I guarantee you from her point of view and her comments and when she wakes up and opens up her phone, it doesn't feel like anyone's moved on. You know what I'm saying? Totally.
It's your world. It's your life.
It's so much easier, you know, to remove yourself from a situation. Now see it a little clearer.
little clearer but when you're in it yeah that's the hard part about this world is that both things are true people have moved on and yet like you're still getting hit with grenades left or right that like the world doesn't really care when it when you when you compare it to like all the media and all the things that are going on and then you have these serious world events and that's's a whole nother thing that people are like, why are you even giving a shit about something like reality TV? But like in your world, like- It's everything. It's everything.
And rightfully so. Sometimes it feels, it's like either you're alive, you know, Kenya, like whether you, right or whatever, regardless of what you think of the situation, she is in some ways like fighting for her life, her career, you know, know it you know a hundred percent i just think because like kenya's situation yes is is so um extreme versus anything i dealt with and that's the thing or i wish i had a little more perspective and i wish i listened to people more of like myself was so mild all of it But it felt like my whole world was crumbling for nothing, you know.

But I'm a sensitive person and like it you know the show compared to my my life was was the only toxic thing in my life you know so it's the only focus i had it wasn't like other things are happening in this like you know it was i had like a really you know nice cushy situation and then this is happening it was just felt so intense so um i i would i would love to go not now but i'm saying i would i wish i could reverse time and and and have enjoyed it more what do you think uh the future for bev hills is in in terms of the friendship dynamics? A lot of people are speculating about the Fox 5 or Fox Force 5. Lisa Renna back, yeah.
I can see Lisa Renna back. I mean, look, Lisa's drive story, she is the ultimate villain, and she likes to be the villain.
I don't think she likes it internally. I don't think anybody really likes it.
But she embraces it. She embraces it.
And she's good at it. Yeah, and she's really good at it.
I don't know. You never know with casting.
It's such a, it's really an art form that I'm not a part of. But I do feel like where it's right now, there needs to be some change.

If they called, asked you to either come back full time or as a friend of,

would you consider? I don't know.

I don't even think about that until that

happens. That's not even in my...

We would consider.

I'm speaking for Crystal

as her manager.

We would definitely put that deal on the

table and consider it. We would not just...

It wouldn't be a hard no for us.

Right, Crystal? Whatever. You heard it here

Thank you. as her manager, we would definitely put that deal on the table and consider it.

We would not just,

it wouldn't be a hard no for us.

Okay.

Right, Crystal?

Whatever.

You heard it here first.

This is me and Cynthia.

But seriously,

going back to like,

you know,

this housewife world that we live in

and do you miss it

and would you go back

and all those things,

you know,

for me,

it's like,

although your situation, like how you leave is how you leave your your exit was very different from my exit and very different from Kenya's exit or Nini's exit or whoever's exit I think that because it's like at the end of the day it's entertainment is tv for all of you that watch the show but for us it's our job and we really spend a lot of time with these women. So when we walk away, it's not like, you know, we'd never have to see these people again.
Like, like they're never going to talk about it again. It's not like we left a job at Starbucks and nobody cares.
It's like, it just lives on like way. It's almost bigger than we are in so many ways.
So once we're done with it and we try to put it away and move on, move on our life then it just turns into but would you go back or you know it just never really ends really so you never really even if you do miss it like you get even if you don't miss it you kind of you're forced to miss it in a way because people keep still talking about it yeah you see the the world yeah that like people won't let it go by the way that statement is it the world you're forced to miss it you're forced to miss it like literally with the regular job you can go on and nobody really gives a shit with this type of job being this type of tv personality on this type of platform it's like i always said like the mafia like when you get in like it's hard to get out and like you have to like it with the mafia you have to like die to get out of the mafia most of the time. You know what I mean? So it's very similar thing.
And you're heart of heart. You're like, I don't miss it.
I'm happy. I've moved on.
I like my life. I like my family.
I'm happy. But it never really goes away, especially if you were on it for any, you know, amount of years.
It's like missing your toxic ex, you know? There you go. You know that you're better off.
You know, it's like. But you're still kind of like, hey, I wonder what they're up to.
I wonder why they still love me. Let me send them a birthday.
Yeah, because he and his new girlfriend are showing up at all these parties. You can never get away from them.
Yeah. So you're always like, oh, thinking about that toxic ex.
That's exactly what you're for. That's the best analogy.
Where do you and Nini stand today? Oh, we're great. We're actually really good.
And I'm really, I say that just with my chest because I'm so happy that we've come so far. Because we had, you know, we started off as friends on the show.
I came on the show with Nini and she was the breakout star. I will say it again for the 155th time.
We think of Real Housewives of Ladder. I think of Nini Leakes.
Like that flower will always be given to her. But we are good.
You know, we've just come full circle.

We're able to hang out and have a good time together.

She just recently started a YouTube as well, since we're talking about YouTubes.

Seems like I felt like in a week, like five housewives started a YouTube.

I'm going to land on the same way.

I was like, wait, Portia has a YouTube.

Can you start a YouTube?

NeNe started a YouTube.

So long and short, I'm very happy to say that we're in a great place. And she actually invited me do her YouTube and I plan to do it is she going to come on Humble Brag oh she's definitely bringing her ass on Humble Brag if I do her YouTube she will definitely be coming can you get her on the Valfiles Phaedra well no okay that's a little extra deal it won't be before Humble Brag if she does we We will have her first.
I've worked for that interview.

When's Phaedra coming on in Atlanta?

Soon.

We're in Nashville now on the show.

She pops up when we go to Grenada.

So I think it's a couple more episodes.

Yeah, they like previewed her.

Yeah.

Yeah, I actually spoke to her this morning.

You talk to Phaedra a lot.

No, no, it's just random.

Like we're, she's a, well, I don't want to say what she is.

I'm the only idiot that says what hotel.

She's standing so and so right.

In room two.

You really do.

You, you.

I know.

I don't know how I haven't been kidnapped or whatever because I'm literally like, I'm

over here, everyone.

You just got to warm, you just got to warm her up.

It's crazy.

It's true.

Ladies, always great to chat with you.

Obviously, we have

humble brag

what can we look forward

to in your next episode

a mess

it's out

it just dropped today

with RZA

and Joey

oh yeah

it is completely insane

we were crying laughing

it may be the funniest one yet

it's the funniest

so we

you know

I've become like

a Jeff Lewis regular

because of Cynthia

and we went to Chump Con

which is his

like

kind of

fan event

in Vegas

Chump Con

Thank you. like a Jeff Lewis regular because of Cynthia and we went to Chump Con, which is his like kind of fan event

in Vegas.

Chump Con.

Chump Con.

Chump Con.

We're like chumps.

We're official chumps.

So let me just explain why,

because people are like,

what?

Chump, what does that mean?

I guess one of the husbands,

you might know,

of Orange County's husband

got mad at him

and said,

oh, you, you know,

you're such a chump. You and all your chumps, the way you talk.
And then he adopted it. And now everyone who listens, who goes on the show, they're all called chumps.
So we brought RZA from Shaws of Sunset and Joey Zausik, who's like an influencer. We've had Joey on.
Oh, you have? I love Joey. Yeah, he's great.
love Joey. And the four of us had the best time together.
So we talk about it and all the crazy Vegas stories. It's crazy.
It's crazy. I mean, you can't even believe what single men do in Vegas.
They're gross. We were like shocked.
We couldn't believe what they were saying. It wasn't even our fault.
They took over the pot. Like, we just were listening.
The boys are gross. Well, ladies, always great to catch up with you.
Thank you. Look forward to you coming on next time.
We will inevitably harass you and ask you questions. I know.
I know. I love it.
But make sure you guys watch Got to Get Out on Hulu if you haven't streamed it. It is a binger.
It's definitely. We watched it.
We binged it all yesterday. Yeah, it's good.
It's eight episodes. And for the first time, I actually had a strategy in one of these competition rooms.
What are you going to do with the money? Well, I got to get it first. When you get it, what are you going to do with it? What are you going to buy us? I don't know.
I don't know. Honestly, I hadn't thought about it, to be honest.
It's a lot of money. Well, I wish it was more.
It was a million dollars on the table. I was going to say, you didn't want to wait a little bit longer until it kept going up? No, because you have to get a clue and I never got a clue.
So when I finally got a clue, I had to shoot my shot. I had to get out.
You can't hang around. You don't know.
By the time it gets to a million, you don't know. It's gone.
If it's even close, someone's taken that money. I think it was the right call.
You get what you can get. Well, be sure to check out Cynthia on Got to Get Out and check out both of these ladies on Humble Brag, available wherever you get your podcast.
Thursday, we got a great episode for you. Alex Baskin, your good friend.
Showrunner. Is he the showrunner of Beverly Hills? No, he is the president of 31 Flavors, who's one of the production of the production companies all right so anyways the guy who's pretty much in charge of all things vanderpump the valley and beverly hills housewives is with us to talk about basically his world and everything going on in it with these shows specifically we'll really get into the valley with alex talk a little bev hills uh and then you know just get his thoughts on all things bra in general.
That is on Thursday and so much more. We will see you then.
Bye-bye. Bye! Attention sports enthusiasts.
Keep the adrenaline pumping and elevate your game day with Chumba Casino. It's completely free to play.
No purchase necessary. Whether you're cheering from the stands, on the move, or relaxing at home, Chumba Casino brings the thrill of social casino directly to your fingertips.
Experience the ultimate social casino adventure with reels of casino-style games, offering hundreds of exciting options to choose from, and fresh new releases every week. There's always something new and thrilling to explore.
From action-packed social slots and classic blackjack to engaging bingo in solitaire, the fun never stops. Plus, enjoy generous daily login bonuses and a fantastic free welcome bonus to kickstart your social gaming journey.
Dive into the excitement. Discover a world where you can play for your chance to redeem some serious prizes

and have a blast along the way.

Don't miss out.

What are you waiting for?

Join now and immerse yourself in nonstop fun and adventure with Chumba Casino.

Get in on the action today at Chumbacasino.com and make every day a Chumba day.

No purchase necessary.

VGW Group Void War prohibited by law.

18 plus DNC supply.

Time is precious and so are our pets. So time with our pets is extra precious.

That's why we started Dutch. Dutch provides 24-7 access to licensed vets with unlimited virtual

visits and follow-ups for up to five pets. You can message a vet at any time and schedule a video

visit the same day. Our vets can even prescribe medication for many ailments and shipping is

always free. With Dutch, you'll get more time with your pets and year-round peace of mind when

Thank you. The same day.
Our vets can even prescribe medication for many ailments and shipping is always free.

With Dutch, you'll get more time with your pets and year-round peace of mind when it comes to their vet care.

Step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck.

I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse. With family, cannolis, and spins mean everything.

Now, you want to get mixed up in the family business.

Introducing The Godfather at Chumpacasino.com.

Test your luck in the shadowing world of The Godfather slot.

Someday, I will call upon you to do a service for me.

Play The Godfather now at Chumpacasino.com.

Welcome to the family.

No purchase necessary. VGW group void.

We're prohibited by law. 21 plus terms and conditions apply.