E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds

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what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i almost forgot about i was like what what what show are we doing reality Recap Edition.

We have another jam-packed episode for you guys. Excited to bring it to you.
We got the ladies from Disrespectfully, Katie and Dana joining us momentarily. Plus, country star Jordan Davis is joining us.
Also, we like to call him the man who wrote the amazing song for River's Gender Reveal is with us. Jordan Davis is with us.
It's really cool to do what we do, babe, sometimes. Just like, oh, and then we get to interview the guy whose soundtrack we picked randomly.
Not even randomly. It's a great song.
We listened to that song all through the beginning. Let's say yes.
It wasn't randomly. But it's just like, it's cool.
It's cool It's exciting to have him on We're excited to talk with him So much to get into We just got back from a little trip from New York We were in New York for I think less than 20 How many hours? 12 maybe? I felt very cool, very spontaneous Took the wife No, I took. No, I took you, first of all.
Thank you. I got a text from Macy, who is the mastermind who designed all of my wedding looks.
Her and her sister run the Sink Bridal Company. They're based in LA, but they are opening a showroom in New York and they are in bridal shops all over the world.
But anyways, she texted me. It's New York Bridal Fashion Week this week.
And she texted me maybe last week and was like, do you think you'll be able to make it? And I was like, oh, I've never I didn't even know this was happening. Like, I must not have got this flyer.
I don't know. So she's sending it to me and I'm like, OK, like, let me, you know, I will definitely try.
Like, I will do everything in my power and I will try my absolute hardest.

And it just so happened that like my mom hadn't seen River in two months, which is shocking in its own self. So she was in town to hang out with River and it like with recording schedule, everything just kind of worked out perfectly.
So we were able to escape. And I feel like like showing up for those types of things for your friends is so important to me and I hope other people, but big moments in their life, in their career, where you, it might be a little hard.
You might have to call some people, a little moving parts, spend a little money, but to show up for the people that you care about and to them that like you're there for them and you support them and you care about them, I think is so important. And so I just like, I know it meant a lot to them that we came.
It meant a lot to me to be able to see the new collection that she has spent so much time designing and working on. And I'm just so proud of Madeline and Macy.
And I was so happy we got to do it. It was so much fun.
We like we got there at noon we took an uber straight to lunch we met joe grocery store joe he came and met us we shopped around a little bit it was a lot of fun yeah it's a you know in adult life to natalie's point like showing up for your friends like i don't know like natalie and i are definitely in the season of you know being very i hate the hate with the word using like intentional but it's true. Like we're very intentional about like who we invest in our community of people.
Like who are the groups of people we want to like grow old with? Well, because now it's like, we're not just hanging out with people to hang out with people. Like we're hanging out with people and bringing them around our daughter.
And so I think it's like, we want those people to be like genuine good people that like our daughter could look up to one day and not bring around people who are just here for a season or like, don't have, you know, the best intentions, like coming into a friendship. Anyways, I was just really impressed with the event.
I, you know, like, who am I to have an opinion about these things? You know, I've been to so many bullshit events, you know, whether it's like sponsored by like a company or a party of some kind, certainly fashion shows. This is more like the fashion space.
But like, you know, I've been to a lot of fashion shows and they're all kind of the same, you know, and people walk out and they show their fashion. Yeah, I feel like when you think of a fashion show, I mean, you think of like sitting in rows of people standing in the back, a long runway and models walking up and down.
And then the designer comes out and is like, thank you. And turns around and goes back.
Well, Macy and Madeline are so creative and like a mind boggling way that she is just, they're not those types of people. So last year they did this really incredible, it was like a dinner and all these people kind of sat around a table and they had the models kind of like come through and walk around the table.
Well, then this year they rented out this like three-story incredible like event space. Apparently the woman who owns it like lives there.
It just perfectly curated and like what century was that wasn't like a victorian i mean her her theme was like vintage victorian era so i don't know if the house was like technically victorian but maybe it was it was beautifully curated let me set the stage so like it was an experience yeah like you walk into this house and then it would

like you know because every fashion show has models but like there were something like famous models there which was you know kind of like oh wow they're just so and so and like wow oh holy shit you know but anyways you had all these brides all these models dressed as brides and basically it looked like they brought a dollhouse to life so you had all these brides in all of sinks's various beautiful dresses that she's designed. And all the guests of the show basically walked into this house and there was different levels.
And throughout the levels, all these brides slash models are role-playing and doing skits. So you basically were observing these brides living their life and they kind of brought these dresses to life.
It was, it was really cool. Like it's just really, you had all these like brides being brides and like role-playing in their, in their gowns.
It really was, it was such a cool experience for, for someone who has a hard time appreciating these things. Sometimes it was very cool.
Yeah. I think she called it like the sink school for ladies or something.
So it was like these brides, these models were also acting in a sense of what they were like, you know, playing around the room. They had one who was like the teacher and she was teaching them to walk with like books on their heads.
And there was like an art teacher teaching them how to paint. And they all were just kind of like floating around these rooms.
And it was just really magical and really beautiful. And it was, yeah, it was really cool to be a part of that.
And then we had a late dinner at an American bar, one of our favorites in New York. And it was so late that we were the only ones there.
And it felt like I rented out the restaurant for my wife, but I did not. We were just by ourselves.
There were like three other people there. Also, I do have a bit of a gripe, babe.
We did fly coach for anyone asking. Absolutely i did buy the tickets and so i was like well why would i put us in first class if like you don't ever want to put me in first class yeah but yeah but well it was a bit of a puddle jump flight and listen like if you're gonna like i don't sierra why do you fly first class what because the comfort be when i get to where i'm going i'm fully rested i'm relaxed so the leg room she also got our bag check for free i got i got to pay a hundred dollars and she just did it for me and i was like okay well yeah so that's yeah but you usually aren't saving money uh flying first class but like there might be perks but like but to your point yeah i'm i'm only flying first class for the leg room you know what i'm saying? Or for the lay flat for the five-hour flight.
If I can take a nap and wake up, be well-rested and good to go for the day. Listen, if there is a lay flat option and you are lucky enough to afford said option, flying first class is an incredible experience.
If you're flying from LA to New York, if you're lucky enough to experience that, I wasn't until I was 35. But if you are lucky enough, it's a treat.
But if you're flying three or four hours and the only difference is you get a shitty meal and some booze, what's the point? And it's like $500,000 more. Yeah.
Yeah. It's just like, just put me on Southwest and I'll pay 40 bucks to get on the flight first and sit in the front two rows.
Like what's, but you're shaking your head. I just couldn't, couldn't be me, but that's the thing.
Like when I travel, I'm very particular about how I travel. So, and where I'm traveling, when I'm traveling, it'd be, if I were like you guys being like on a whim, we're going to go to New York.
I'm like, okay, I'll take whatever I can get. But probably business.
Nick also didn't know until recently that if you have a baby with you, you can like board early. In general? Period? Southwest? Yeah.
Well, at least Southwest. I know that's a...
Southwest. They like families.
They make you feel like they like families. I think you can pre-board with kids on Delta too.
Yeah. Yeah.
Delta Airlines has families with children to board early. It's like, it's after priority.
It's after our veterans. It's after first class and it's after like people who need special assistance.
We're like Sky Priority on Delta and we're still group four. It's like people with children, like you can come in like right before zone eight, I guess.
Planes half full, but sure, let's come on down kids anyway Natalie we you know we were in and out so we packed light we took one bag we shared a bag and Natalie packed my bag you have this habit of like when you pack for me you didn't pack underwear or socks like I'm not wearing underwear right now we're home but I haven't had time to change I had it we got home you definitely didn't have time to flush the toilet either when but I peed just to be clear I only peed I know but I still didn't flush it so yeah you definitely did not have time to put on underwear because you didn't even have time to flush the toilet am I drinking enough water definitely. I feel like it's your fault.
Because I didn't pack the underwear. I didn't pack the socks and I'm not shoving water down his throat.
Oh, the ladies are disrespectfully are here. I feel like this is very early for Katie.
This is very early for me too. I am not a morning person.
Are you an afternoon person, a night person? Afternoon and night. I'll get up for something important, but I don't like to be up before nine.
That's where I thrive. Nine o'clock.
Okay. Nine o'clock.
That's your sweet spot? I would say I'm lying and my sweet spot is probably closer to 10. You wake up and you scroll.
What time does it have to be for you to feel like you slept in and you're kind of like a little disappointed in yourself? If it's noon, that's crazy. But I have sleeping problems.
So like if I slept well, I know parents never relate to that. My niece, we were on the phone the other day.
I haven't related that ever since I was in high school. Well, when I had a corporate job, I had to, but I hated it.
But here we are. Good morning, guys.
Good morning. Katie, how about you? What time do you have to wake up for you to feel a little disappointed in yourself? I don't know.
I haven't figured it out yet. I've been playing around with waking up at different times.
Today I got up way too early, but I feel like 7.30 or 8 would be a good time to wake up. I don't want to talk to anyone before noon and early.
Are the dogs jumping on your face, like, take me out, take me out, take me out? Or are they kind of snoozing too. They're mostly with Tom, so i don't i don't want to talk to anyone like before noon or like are the dogs like jumping on your face like take me out take me out take me out or are they kind of snoozing too they're mostly with tom so i don't have them like every morning but oh no they're loud and they're mean and gordo will come and like scratch your face and sneeze at you he does that yeah he swats at you he like paws on you when's not subtle at all.
Well, we're excited to have you ladies with

us today. We were just talking about our quick trip

to New York and that's why we were talking about

wake-up times. Did you guys have River with you?

No, we didn't invite her.

We didn't invite her. Luckily my mom.
She wasn't invited.

Okay, so she stayed. She held things down.
Yeah, she took

care of the place. She took care of the dogs.

She fed him. Got it, got it, got it.

So did you sleep in?

She woke up at noon and she felt like she slept in. You know what I'm saying? She's well rested.
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she was like, she was like, she was like, she was you sleep in? She woke up at noon And she felt like she slept in You know what I'm saying She scrolled though She scrolled for a while She has a TikTok addiction like me I get it 100% She was on TikTok last night Well yesterday's episode For anyone who hasn't listened to Allie Luber's episode On Going Deeper Is out now And boy it is a doozy I don't Did you ladies get a chance to uh hear hear some of her commentary on on that episode i saw a clip and then i read a transcript i mean it was a lot so i was i've got the the bulk of it mostly but there was a lot of i mean the jaw-dropping moment for me was was her uh at least her vanderpump phone call i guess so but also like not surprising you know like it's it is no It is shocking because it's like, wow, she really said that, but also I fully believe that. I fully believe it too.
I definitely see what you're saying, Katie. It's shockingly not shocking, but when you hear her tell that story, first she's like, she got a call two months later.
So it's like you're not calling out of consideration even though you're pretending to give a shit like you clearly have a motive for your call and to find out that motive was to first blame ally as part of like james's actions and making her feel like her drinking was part of the reason why james was drinking and then try to convince her to get back together with the guy, given everything that's out there is just wild behavior. Yeah.
I mean, it's like when Tom and I were divorcing, she made me feel like I wasn't justified or valid in my reasons or anything like that. And then also kind of made it about her because she's like, I wrote those vows.
And I'm like, okay.

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it's like the constantly wanting to be acknowledged

for the generous things

that she's done in life,

but like often

and unwavering.

It's difficult

because it's like that,

no one's ungrateful,

but like Jesus.

Has Lisa ever thanked

you or the cast

for like pouring your hearts out

and like sharing your lives for her benefit? I mean, I feel like we see on the reunion, you know, she's been like, these guys give it their all, but it's still like we should be just, you know, it's like just always grateful for the opportunity more so than what we brought to it. That's the vibe I get.
I'm not saying that's exactly what she said, but that's definitely the vibe I've always i i've like since aryan and i opened up something about her i haven't heard a peep that's from her no like congrats no nothing and i don't i wasn't expecting it and i didn't need it but like yeah so when she wanted to be upset i still saw that she was upset that certain people didn't reach out when the show the news of the show came out but um i was like i didn't hear from you either i know that you were asking Alex Baskin what all of us were thinking and saying on our phone calls with him, but she didn't want to pick up the phone either. We're rewatching Vanderpump right now for Plus.
And I wonder, did you feel either looking back that she very much favors the men on the show, and it seems like it was even just handing Tom a a bar when he couldn't do like a bar shift like it's just like you've been working there consistently ariana was like a top bartender but it just seems like she very much like favors the men on the show and like the women are kind of like well either deal with them because they're adorable or like i don't deal with you i think there is that sort of favoritism that is given more freely and openly to the men. I mean, she was there was times where I was very close with her and she was, you know, she would look out, she would call, she would check in.
And same with Ariana. But it's like I think that the major divide that happened with everybody was like, you know, post-Canada stuff.
And she really just wanted to look out for him and just kind of disregarded how that would make other people feel right or what that was like the message it would send to everybody else too after like hearing ally's story and like you realize just how close james and lisa are and it is it can't help make me wonder you know that literally that night that james got arrested again i was talking with james at kathy hilton's party and congratulating him on all his success and seemingly looking like one of the few, especially guys who really found a groove post-show in his DJ career. And now I really can't help but wonder, is it really because of James or has Lisa really been pulling strings and calling in favors? I mean, if she's so willing to pick up the phone two months later and call his ex-girlfriend and try to make her feel bad and get her to get back together with James for the sake of helping his career, what else has she been willing to do to make this guy happen that maybe he wouldn't otherwise make happen without Lisa's support? Because it really seems like it mother son.
Like we're like, it really doesn't matter what James does. She will always go out of her way to make excuses for him, have his back and try to cover up for his mistakes and make sure he still has a career and still works.
Like, I don't know what thoughts, Katie, Dana, what do you think? I mean, I don't know how much pull she has at like Tao Group in Vegas. So I don't know that he was getting booked with DJ things and whatever.
I think that that played out on the show. So he was able to leverage it.
But yeah, do I think that where she could help, she would. And that it's upsetting that, especially when we're talking about substance abuse issues when someone makes it someone else's responsibility like you're a stabilizing factor so you need to be there you need to be in a relationship that's a crazy take and i feel like we've seen that kind of play out but yeah i don't know um i think i think lisa understands that she's had a lot of influence with fans and viewers of the show even you know like on housewives like she was very uh well liked and popular in her takes and her opinions of people like people it mattered to people and like they would kind of be like well if it's good enough for lisa it should be good for the rest of us so i think that kind of played into like a lot of the the way people viewed certain other people in the show and especially when it comes to james she's, if I can just go to bat for James, people will maybe think that I should as well or, you know, that they should trust him more.
Yeah, or like he's not that bad of a guy. Like if I support him, he can't be that bad.
He just must be misunderstood or like something like that. But it gets to the point where it's like, okay, for sure, if things are like a little bit in the gray, but with something like this, that's pretty cut and dry, that you should read the room.
I guess. I don't know.
Well, check out the episode if you haven't already. It's a little heavy, but Allie is a gem of a human.
And we're really glad that she more than anything is out of that relationship and really seems to be seeing things clearly and we're rooting for her success and happy that she is definitely out of that relationship. All you small businesses out there, if you have not heard of ShipStation, I promise you, you are missing out.
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I mean, well, the tea is like he got awarded like a half a million dollars or some shit. I don't know.
Oh, that's right. Like to me, honestly, it feels like he stole money from Rachel.
Like what did he do? Like he did nothing but have the opportunity to be in a relationship with Rachel. Like he had to move.
He moved. Like the guy who went on TV got to move to Hollywood and apparently that cost Rachel a half a million dollars.
I thought he was like a doctor. He's a chiropractor.
But yeah, but like, you know, like while married with her. I can only guess that this probably only elevated his practice and people wanted to get cracked by.
He was given a literal you know, when you go on reality TV, I look at it as essentially a lottery ticket. It's a lottery ticket with really good odds, right? Like it's not a guarantee of fame and money, but what it is is a guarantee of access.
Like it puts you in so many rooms you don't otherwise get to go in. It gets you in meetings.
It just gives you so much opportunity. opportunity and from that point it's kind of up to you to make sure that lottery ticket cashes and some people get to do it and some people don't like and brian basically got it done by basically marrying rachel and then divorcing her and like stealing her money wait how long were they married for a while like they're in divorce laws or whatever.
A few years, I guess. But when you look at the details, it just seems wrong.
It just seems... They got married in 2019.
Four years. Oh, okay.
No kids, no shared responsibilities. She was just more successful than him.
Wow. And apparently that cost her.
But not only more successful, she said that, in my situation, my ex did not move three times for me. I want to say this one time.
My ex did not move three times for me. We moved to Dallas because he quit his job as soon as he won the show and I did not.
So that was the only option because I was still employed. They later moved to Miami and she said leaving behind her legal job in Dallas for no job in Miami.
Nobody considers that. So he never was like fully practicing throughout their relationship or throughout their marriage.
So she was literally the sole breadwinner and the supporter. And now she has to pay him $500,000 for what? Crazy.
Bonkers. Ew.
Right? For spousal support. It's only okay for women.
People are nuts. I don't know.
I got divorced. Me and Tom were just like, I don't want anything of yours like you have yours i'll have mine i just we were i mean we were pretty equal and things but like still like just i don't know like if it feels yucky to do that if you have kids i guess that's one thing yeah right if you have kids it makes sense that like there's other factors at play and people to take care about when it's just two individuals two working professionals who decided to get married and like have a union about their love.
Like, why does someone get to financially benefit? I don't know. And what's even like grosser about it is the fact that like once he got that settlement, she was ordered to pay the first half within 10 days of the filing.
And then she has until January 7th, 2026 to pay the remaining half. So she owes him like $500,000, like straight up straight up essentially where it's like for what but we also have clayton and gabby kind of going oh my god which i guess she she went after him saying he looks like a toe and his dancing videos will make you run and he responded by calling her a bully and right I recapping this right, Sierra? He said he was being bullied, that he's being bullied by Gabby.
Okay. She responded with like, you literally outed my sexual activities on national television for millions of people to hear without my consent.
It's like, okay. And then he responds by posting their DMs.
He's posting DMs? He posts their DMs from 2022 and 2023. Are they out there? It's basically him just being like, you are coming after someone who has over and over again apologized for their actions.
And so you're just doing this to be vengeful. But the posting of the text.
he could have just said that without posting it yeah he's like such a little and his i'm sorry his dancing videos are the cringiest things i've ever seen so he should be put on blast for that don't do that this man has had maybe the worst experience on reality tv period like i i have some empathy for Clayton. I mean are you familiar with his story at all no the guy hasn't had one w yet not one maybe you have to start being like what's the common denominator him no some of it is truly bad luck okay okay what's well give it give me what's the worst well one he he he answered a dm from a random person for a late night hookup, which definitely you can criticize a little sloppiness, but he's not the first person out there who got a little horny at night and said yes to an experience.
And that turned into at least a year or two. Of her claiming she was pregnant with twins.
Like twins or something. And.
And it became this natural story and it ended up being all false. And then this followed what first happened post-Bachelor is some, you know, following a season, he's still together with Susie at this point.
And some girl online posted TikTok that went ultra viral, like got 40 million, I don't know, millions and millions and millions of views of her claiming that she had a one night stand with Clayton, the bachelor. Like last night.
Like last night. She's like, I just hooked up with this guy and like swore by it.
Turns out they weren't even, he wasn't even in that state. Like it wasn't him.
It was just like, she just, I don't know. I don't know if the guy lied or thought he looked like her or whatever like just uh he had literally nothing to do with that and then you know she had like apology video that like that got like a million views to the 40 million views or something like that that's just that's just bad luck okay that is bad luck but him answering the dm engaging in this activity like that is fully on him that's fully on him because he he had a one night stand with someone and they didn't even have sex? There's crazy people out there.
They didn't even have sex. You gotta remember if you got something to lose because there are people that are gonna chase you to the end of the world for clout.
Wait, they didn't even have sex? Then how could she say that she was pregnant? exactly allegedly it traveled down and she said on the toilet seat she's yeah it was a crazy story but like she in in this person apparently had a history of doing this she was showing him like ultrasounds that were all fake and like she she was going the extra mile to like prove it to him and i think this is a failure of the public school system if anything because anything, because he didn't know that you have to actually be penetrated. He thought there's no way it's mine, but like if you're a guy and you, you hook up with someone and they give you oral sex and you climax, uh, and then that person claims they're pregnant.
Uh, yeah, you're probably gonna think there's no way that's true but then they this person sends you an ultrasound and sends you a doctor's bill a pregnancy a positive pregnancy test you know you you start getting in your head and he he did and he fought it was she actually did she have a baby was she actually pregnant no it was all bullshit so so all all of it it wasn't even pregnant by someone else this took over a year to prove he had to you know this was a nightmare scenario for him wow it that's it is fucked up you know but you know that's why you gotta be and on top of it like when that story came out it got press and then when he finally like vindicated himself it got a lot less press like truly this man has been the unluckiest person in reality TV. And like, I know he's an easy target and I get his dance videos or whatever.
But like, you know, this man deserves some empathy. Yeah, but I'm also kind of like Gabby's having her moment.
Those like clips are recirculating from The Bachelor. She's being asked about it.
So she's commenting on it. I'm like, she could have said way worse things than like he looks like a toe and that his dance videos are cringe and was it maybe rude maybe was it maybe true did he need to respond to it no is it impossible to think that maybe like she could just say like my bad i'm sorry your feelings were hurt but also grow up like why why do men always need to be coddled and held a handheld through life have empathy for them the he's a

white man he's gonna be okay a straight white man is gonna be just fine okay i'm just saying like

listen for sure you got tom sandoval back on your couch crying like who cares no one asked for a lot

of people ask for it actually okay i know i'm just saying to katie's point it is it is giving

saxon from white lotus yeah like totally is when do you cross the line of just growing up yourself just grow up i didn't you know yeah i don't know just because he is a man and and is white i don't think it's like this isn't misandry this is facts this is the fucking patriarch he's been like this for years so the straight white men win even when they have bad luck he he's still going to win. So no matter what, no matter the situation or the story, there is no empathy whatsoever.
And he and we're always just not going to take that side. I feel like personally, Gabby could have maybe not.
I mean, like she is moved on. She is married to a woman.
And like that was how many years ago? It's, if she is asked about it, I feel like she didn't have to go so low. You know, I feel like they're, they, she had her, her time after the show where she like was able to put him on blast.
And it has been four years. I mean, this is a man who, who legitimately has like had some incredibly dark thoughts and has had, you know, has, it's, it's, it's been really down bad in some very serious ways.
And while other people are basking in their fame and success and money, like tearing other people down and, and like just living the best possible life, he is out there like trying to make a real estate job work and just trying to find meaning in life and trying to find happiness with his silly dance videos. And I'm saying like you know and he's doing this that no one's no one's taking that from him he can do whatever he wants no what are you talking about you were literally said he deserves to be criticized for his dance videos well yeah you're gonna put that on the internet that's what happens i mean i'm not saying they deserve i'm just saying they are cringe yeah listen of course Yes his videos are you know but i'm just saying like i i don't think like i don't think the response to clayton eckhart is always needs to be fuck that guy because of something that happened a couple years ago and oh yeah by the way he's a dude so extra fuck him and like no matter what is said about him or what is done i i don't think he like is an eternal punching bag for people well no i'm not saying that he should be i'm just but i'm just saying like he's that is that is the discourse around clayton to be like that's it's really it's really fucked up that that that happened but be a little more cautious of like who you yeah for sure i don't know i don't i don't listen i'm someone i keep my circle extremely small because I don't want to have to cross paths with somebody who's like that.
Listen, yeah. I mean, I literally have had conversations with Clayton about making smarter and better decisions.
He's had to learn in the hardest possible way. Right, yeah.
So it's, I don't know. It's like I can have empathy for somebody who made stupid choice, but it's like I can't.
I don't know.

Well, switching gears a little bit. We do have Shantae and Breon from Temptation Island who did finally announce their breakup.

Oh, wow.

Didn't see that coming.

No, not at all.

The three somethings didn't do it.

Did you ladies watch Temptation Island?

Oh, yeah.

I watched Temptation Island.

I loved it.

I ate it up.

Yeah.

I'm bad with the names. Which ones? Because the one couple that made it at the end, what were their names? Alexa and Lino.
Yeah, Alexa and Lino. Okay, so you're not talking about them.
Shantae and Breon did leave together. They did leave together.
And he had had like a threesome. She cried the whole time.
It was so sad. I felt so bad.
You heard the subtitles, Rhythmic S rhythmic slapping with the shower running the way that that makes my skin crawl i have i don't usually watch shows like that just because i my threshold is so i have to like fast forward because i'm like oh my god oh my god oh my god that was those were upsetting subtitles that was that was hard to watch and then watching him get so emotional about his choices after when it was like well you did that that's fine go have fine. Go have a threesome.
But don't be upset when your partner's upset about that. But I got it out of my system.
So let's just let's just get married. Insane.
Insane. Do we think this is a legitimate breakup? Because her state what was her statement? Her statement says, after much thought and reflection, Brianna and I have decided to part ways for now.
There's no bad blood. Just two people recognizing that we need time and space to process this journey.
I have so much I want to share with you all, and I hope you'll continue to support and encourage me as I step into this next chapter. I wish Breon nothing but the best, but I hope we're both able to grow from this experience.
As I move forward, I'm excited to share more of myself with you all. Let's keep pushing forward together.
Okay. Well, it's interesting.
I mean, I would love to find out more. When we did the

reunion, we were going to have Shantae on. I'm curious, it does seem to be circled around maybe

fan feedback or people's opinions about her choice to stay with him. It certainly must have

added some pressure. I mean, it would seem like a huge coincidence that something else caused this

breakup around this time.

I don't know.

He had another threesome.

Yes, of course.

Yeah, there was more rhythmic slapping happening for sure.

That one happened in the real world, though.

Because this was just Temptation Island.

That one didn't count.

Right, it was different.

Yeah.

What was crazy is that she said that she couldn't hear the rhythmic slapping when she watched it at the bonfire and there obviously wasn't subtitles and so she was like I didn't know that that's what was playing until she like watched it back which is rough she just thought they were talking in the bathroom and like coming out with no pants on awful awful I mean I think there was still pretty good audio so maybe she just was in the moment the moment. Rhythmic slapping.
He opens the door and the girl's butt ass. And also it's daytime.
So that was even though, I mean, I guess it might be different when you're at the bonfire and you're in the middle of it. But even before they walked out and they're like, oh, it's daytime.
I noticed. I was like, wow, that was maybe the longest threesome that's ever happened in the history of the world because it seemed like it started at night.
So birds were chirping. Yeah.
But I'm excited to see what Shantae is going to do next. I think the discourse online is kind of like, is she actually breaking up with him or is this kind of seeing the other girls doing social media and thriving and whatnot, like that the audience will support her for leaving him? But like, is she actually leaving him or is it for the opportunities opportunities i don't know i i just feel she's just i feel so bad for her like that that experience is so rough just the difference in their their experiences too like she's like crying he's just like getting on yeah no he gave zero fucks i wonder like yeah if they sat down and watched the whole thing together no he okay yeah so it's just i don't know.
I mean, I think she's obviously very sensitive to a lot of public opinions and things. So I don't know if that's the best place for her.
I know it's definitely not for everybody. And I just think maybe.
I mean, from looking at her page, it looks like there might be some influencing in her future. Oh, okay.
Why do you say that? Which I'm like, by all means. Just like photo shoots and things like that where i'm just like okay like i mean i don't know i don't remember what her occupation was or she's a pilates instructor i mean like i told uh like i told uh taylor when we you know they all went on tv you know what i'm saying like this yeah that's take advantage of the opportunities as they come you know especially after that i always find it funny when either other cast members or fans be like, you know what? I think she wants to be an influencer.
It's like, no fucking shit. She went on TV.
I mean, I think, but everyone, even when it comes to reality, people can look and be like, wow, that's a really good opportunity. I'd love to do that until you're doing it.
And you're like, oh no, this is hard. I think, of course, everybody would want to do it if they could, but it it's not as easy as it looks oh yeah i'm sure when she signed up for the show she wasn't like my partner's gonna have a threesome right yeah also like leaving it was like what did she gain from that experience like maybe she learned something about herself i would hope but like you didn't get stronger or closer with your partner he you had to watch him have a threesome and then y'all clearly couldn't.
I think that's what she gained in and of itself. Yeah.
She didn't marry this person in five years down the road. Find out, you know what I mean? That is true.
I think that rooting for her. She gained her life.
I want to hear whatever phone call she had with whatever family member or friend who was like, girl, rhythmic sla know i want to hear what that phone call was like with that whoever that person in her life is that's kind of like the friend who like is like giving her some honest feedback i i want to know what was said like i really want to hear that phone call because someone must have said something they had to oh my god oh my god everyone that she i, that she was close with was like, what are you going to do? You're going to stick this out and then show your kids one day? See, this is where daddy goes in the bathroom here. And like, no.
Well, fast forward. You got to lay that relationship down.
Or like your parents or like family seeing that and trying to justify it. Yeah.
It was the experience. I can't wait for River to watch all of Nick's shows back.
Honey, that's not you. I can't wait.
I'm very excited. Did y'all watch Beverly Hills Housewives Part 2 reunion? I know.
I've only watched the first one. Oh, well, the second one, I was really into the second one.
Really, really good. Like Jennifer Tilly came on and obviously gave a little background about her story, her wealth, her money.
And it made me think just like, it's like as a fan, I'm grateful that Jennifer Tilly is one of the rich ones in that group. And that really made me grateful that honestly, that Dorit isn't.
Because I feel like some people act differently when they have money than others. know and Jennifer just seems like a breath of fresh

air she still seems like a delightful

queen yeah you know she

buys some crazy shit I don't know how generous

she is or isn't with her money but like she just

she is nice she seems

nice I don't know and like man

as a fan as a viewer

Dorit Savage I mean

everyone's saying I didn't watch the first

Dorit season of Beverly Hills and everyone's saying like this is the Dorit from savage. I mean, you know, everyone's saying, I didn't watch the first Dorit season of Beverly Hills

and everyone's saying like,

this is the Dorit from like season one.

And she cuts deep.

She knows how to trigger people.

She hits where it hurts.

And I'm kind of glad that she is like

not rolling in the dough

because I feel like she would be an absolute monster

if she had unlimited wealth like Jennifer Tilly. Yeah, I also feel like sometimes Dorit if she would just like stop like if she would just say her point and then stop talking it would go over well but I feel like she always adds so much like flair it's always you get lost oh when she was like there she is like oh what else I saw clips like you live on the main road.
Yeah. Oh my God.
Which was like a insane like

a insane line and then she's like she keeps going being like and my life is full of love like meanwhile you're going through a divorce and she's like i just have so much love surrounding me and like that's what i would rather have over my it's like just stay with your statement of you live on a main road. Yeah, that was a mic drop.
Drop the mic and stop talking. She has so much love in her relationship that PK dropped an absolute heater on Instagram last night.
You haven't seen this? No. Justin? Right after the reunion part two, he just posted on his Instagram story, a picture of him either exiting a door or walking in.
And it says says it's better to admit you walked through the wrong door than to spend your life in the wrong room what room is he talking about i'm assuming with dorit dorit but i cannot do these yeah obviously i mean i was kind of surprised by her feedback in the season when she he was asked like well he's a good father and she said no because his statement in the first one And like, I think that that's a really hard line as a parent, if you're going to say on

that. he was asked like, well, he's a good father.
And she said, no, because his statement in the first one, like, I think that that's a really hard line as a parent.

If you're going to say on national television where your children will have

access to that.

No,

even if that's,

that's how you feel.

That's a really bold thing.

I think to put out there.

Oh yeah.

So I guess I understand why he's like,

fuck you.

But I mean,

I feel,

I feel for three right now.

I think that her,

how she's acting is a reflection of her turmoil in her life right now not like that's right or wrong just saying it seems like she's going through it I'm such a fan of Dorit like as a housewife like I find her to be one of the most entertaining ones she seems like she has a real mean side to her. Like if you really fuck with her.

I just think it's hard to say the main road thing when you live in Encino and now

what's going on? Is there a foreclosure

actually happening? It seems like that. She addressed it.

She was like PK wasn't

paying his payments because he wanted to confirm it was

going through the right process.

She addressed it with word salad. I saw that.

That kind of to me sounds like some

mental gymnastics and you're being lied to

or you're as blind as you want

to be. I mean I'm not a house person.
I'm not a contractor or mortgage person, but it just didn't sound right to me. No, you were 100% correct because it was also like, no, this is what happened.
This is the turmoil. This is the turmoil.
But don't worry, PK got it handled. And it's just like, but how? Because that sounded like a deep- Because someone called him finally? Like, what do you mean? If I would be all over that if my house was possibly going to be in foreclosure.
It's not just how you don't do business. I think it was Bo's who was like, that's how you lose a house.
Even her main road comment, Andy was like, so she lives off a main road in Bel Air? Yeah. Like, that was your point? One of the most exclusive areas.
I think she's... And wait, she said that to Sutton, right? Yeah.
Sutton has many... She has quite the alimony little setup.
So like, what? Yeah, 300, like what is it? 300K a month post taxes? A month. After taxes.
After taxes. After taxes.
So I'm like, I think she's fine. It's because Dorit's just trying to poke at Sutton.
And like in the second part, you'll see it. She does like, she keeps throwing jobs.
And then she's like, this isn't the real Sutton that I know. And then finally Sutton kind of entertains it and she goes, she's coming.
And like says it into the mic and it's like. You're right, Dana though.
I mean, also like PK does kind of sound like a bad father. I mean, if he's only seeing his kids on Saturday nights, like when he's in town, he's in town, that is a choice.
But to your point, Dana, like that is a nuclear statement to about any parent. Short of them being in prison for maybe harming your children, to have your partner or ex-partner say that publicly to other people, that's going nuclear.
There's no going back from that. You know what I'm saying? That's an unforgivable statement to say that to someone, even if most people actually think that.
To say that and then still act as if... She said that in the same episode while also claiming that PK was her heart and soul, which was like, I don't really understand.
Well, yeah. And also, I mean, my stomach dropped when that happened, but I also just don't think it's conducive to controlling emotions then after something like that is out there from the partner that you say that about.
So it's just such an escalating thing to say that it's like when she's like, I don't want to stay in it at least how it is right now. Well, it's like, well, yeah, I can't imagine it's great right now.
And I'm not blamed because maybe he's doing things to her or whatever, but that is separate from the kids and who he is as a dad. And I'm also, Nick, I agree.
I don't think she's maybe wrong, but like you put that out there for public consumption. Like that's as a definitive statement.
Yeah. And that's what's so, and I think to sum up what we're saying about Dorit is that she says things that cut so fucking deep.
And it's like, I don't think she's saying it with the intention of like ruining a relationship. You know what I'm saying? Like she has this like ability to just throw something to someone that like may never be okay to come back from.
But she is like using it as like in a casual fight. It just seems kind of crazy.
I'm very invested like in this, the Garcelle exit because like the more we hear about it, it really seems like there's some very deep hurt feelings. And the fact that Garcelle's not being messy about it makes me feel like she has some really justifiable reasons to feel however she does.
Like it the opposite of Kenya Moore, who's just running her... Are you following the Atlanta Housewives? We actually, today, our episode with Humblebrag came out, and we talked with Cynthia about it, about what happened with Kenya.
No, she's close with Kenya. We had her on briefly in the beginning of the season.
How is Cynthia, how much is she backing Kenya at all, if any? I don't think she backs that. I think she's not condemning her as a friend, but she does not support those actions.
And she's like, I said something to her at that event. I think she's being a good friend in that she's holding her accountable.
And she's saying, I love you. Our friendship is something very different from this behavior.
This behavior wasn't okay. I said it to you in the moment.
It sounds like they haven't really talked since. And she's saying, I'm here.
Our friendship is here when you're ready. But yeah, I can't back that, what you did.
Which is honestly a great friend of Cynthia. Yeah, that's what he said.
It was like, that's being a good friend to her. But yeah, I mean, you know, you know, when your friends really do something bad, you don't have, you, you, you stand by them and like hold them accountable as opposed to alienating them.
But nevertheless, I am, I am a bit shocked and maybe this is like Bravo Nation in general, like trying to almost justify her actions. Certainly Kenya is, is trying to justify it.
Like, I think she literally said in a statement that if like kim k's video that launched her career so to speak it's out there it's public i guess anyone i don't know maybe you can still find it i don't know maybe maybe chris made that less possible but she just is like well anyone can download it or anyone can google it so it's like fair game it's like wait, you still used your event to print out poster board size images of this girl and sexual acts around her peers. And so, yeah, like, I don't know.
That's like, if we've ever made a mistake, that would be like, that would be like Katie, if Katie pisses someone off a friend, and this would be like 10 times less worse, but like brought out like one moment from vanderpump season three or something at an event and put it on a poster board and like said like she did this and she did that and like and this is this is pornographic material even if brit wanted to whatever brit wanted to do she had the right to do it and have it weaponized against her at this event. And the fact that Kenya is trying to like stand on this and justify it because anyone can Google it is insane to me.
No, that is that is actual crazy work. Well, but right before you said that, I was going to bring up it's it's a different thing.
When you do a reality show, you sign the papers, your clothes are on. OK Okay.
So yeah, people can pull from that, but it's a very different thing to be in an intimate act, particularly if you didn't put that out there, you know, wanting to make money off it or whatever, or be a content creator to then grab that and say, well, it's out there. Okay, but it's out there, but it's not out there in the same way as doing a reality show or an old Instagram post where you over filtered your face or whatever like that is she knew exactly what she was doing it was super dark and is gross like it's not like brit posted that on her own and then was like oh i took it that's what i'm saying dana like yeah i took it from her instagram it's like you think brit wanted that out in the first place well if an only fans model someday decides to not want to do only fans again and 10 or 15 years go by she settles down gets married and have kids and then makes friends with a group of girls like it would be completely fucked up if one of those women yes try to slut shame her and her group of friends by like downloading that content and like do it i mean like and the fact that king is is like now like going after andy and going after bravo and like i know when it comes to that i just feel like the networks sure their networks are trying to make money they're making tv shows like i think they're just such an easy target for a bunch of people who like truly wanted to reap all the benefits from the fame and attention and platform that these networks give them it's just so lowow of her.
And to even be trying to back it up still

or by placing blame on others.

I don't know if you do something that egregious,

not even your friends holding you accountable,

you holding yourself accountable.

Like she didn't watch that back and go,

ooh, that was such a bad choice I made.

Yeah, it was crazy.

Before we let you ladies go,

I just want to wrap talking a little White Lotus. Mike White, the creator, director, producer of White Lotus, went on Howard Stern and just talked about, I thought it was really fascinating because Mike was talking about how before White Lotus became super famous, he was more like an indie writer and felt like he got support from people just trying to lift him up.
And now that his show is this big, awesome show, And now that we're in season three, and I kind of said as much last episode, once a show gets popular, like people decide that it's like fair game to be like asshole critics and just like nitpick, you know, all these scenes apart. And we went from a show that we were like, wow, this is really fun and culturally relevant.
And like, you know, we're in the middle of season three and people like discussing like if this scene made sense if it tied in with this scene and if this character should be doing this and it's like jesus fucking christ people like they like the amount of people who have notes for mike white on on his writing and directing and producing who like can't even get a fucking general meeting or like any type of script is like beyond me and it says i love that he's fighting back i love that he's a little sassy and i love that he's he called that the composer guy he was in a feud with he was basically like good luck getting work going forward uh because like this composer guy decided to like pick a fight in the press like mike didn't even know about it he like did an interview with the new york times and started talking about his quote-unquote feud with mike white and like they basically went back and forth on some emails about some creative differences and according to this producer was like feuding with mike white and it's just like so transparent to me the amount of people who are just trying to use his name to elevate themselves all while talking shit is wild to me anyway i i'm just like i don't know i love the show i thought season three was fantastic and if it was just you know the fact that people just want to be fucking critics for the sake of it well yeah and i think a show like that you do watch and you critique it not more in like the sense of like whether it's a good scene or not but like because they're looking for clues they want to you know they're watching it with a very different lens on it but people are talking about it being like a bad season or boring or something like that and he White says something about the edging he's like I'm edging you he's like if you don't like it get out of my bed that was so funny but he talked about how it kind of hurt his feelings and it made me like feel for him he's human people are just shitting on his work meanwhile they're breaking records we're all watching it everyone's talking about it this week. And it's just like, okay, yeah, yeah.
Give Mike White notes for sure. In every industry, people, fans, whatever, they'll build you up just to break you down.
You see it happen over and over and over again. So it's a bummer.
It's like we want people to get famous just to find something from their past or present to cancel them with. Yeah.
From the cast, the characters on White Lotus, who are your true villains of this season? For me, it's the therapist who turned down Rick. Villain number one.
True, true, true, true. Rick's dad.
Honestly, dude, you deserve to die for talking about yourself in the third person so cryptically it's like just yeah yeah he could have told him at breakfast it's like hey yeah i'm your asshole dad sorry you know like your mom sucked but like i love those memes that it shows that and it's like the end that's gonna been the whole thing just like i'm your dad bye you know who's a bit of a villain and i just i appreciate her throughout it too. It was Mook.
I was like, what? She gaslit Guy Talk. Guy Talk is doing the best he can.
This is morally against him to try to be this badass guy that's going to carry a gun and all that. But he's doing it all in name of love and she's dangling it like a care in front of him.
I'm like, you're bad. And what was her excuse why she couldn't go on a date a date with him sorry my mom's back hurts i have to like help her around the house that was the most like i have to watch paint dry respond to wash my hair yeah yeah you don't tell people your mom's back hurts i'm like yeah that's why i can't go out with you the i can't remember his name but the the dad of the family timothy whoever patrickger's dad is.
Ratliff. Sorry, you're the villain.
You were going to kill your whole family and then leave the youngest one. Imagine waking up in your entire, you're the youngest.
He was on drugs. You're a kid.
You're 20, whatever. Oh, I don't care.
You're a villain. That doesn't make it okay to murder your whole family and really murder suicide.
I'm like, that was so, I could not. And also, I don't want to victim blame.
But yeah, the leftover pina colada from last night you're making a protein shake with that is one of the easier things I've seen. I did hear his excuse and his excuse was his brother like he thought his brother Saxton like made a protein shake like moments earlier so he just thought this was like leftover protein from the protein shake and I was like you know what that makes sense.
No, no, it's fucked up that the dad didn't like, oh my god, I have to get this suicide poison seeds out of this blender. I have to get it out of this house.
The man is drugged up on lapras... lapras...
lapras... what is it called? Lazoprene.
Lorazepam. Where's my lorazepam? Piper, no! That viral There's like this viral song going on Of all the comments from But finding the stuff that was cut I was like, I would have really liked to see that Because I wanted more of Piper And her story, because when she comes back And she's like, I'm just not going to stay This isn't for me, and I'm like, what else happened? Well, and she bones Natasha Rothwell's sonwell's son? Yeah.
And that got cut. And I was like, we would have liked to see that.
Because I'm a perv. Wouldn't that be kind of random, though? Because they didn't interact with each other the whole season.
Well, I think he said that it was going to be they locked eyes from across the restaurant and she was like, I just need to pick someone. So I need to lose my virginity.
I love it. It's like, become a monk, lose my virginity i was seeing people saying that like as soon as other people were interested in doing what piper wanted to do like lachlan being like oh i think i'll stay too she was like fuck this i don't want to do this anymore like if i'm not the only one like i'm not i don't know it's no longer cool or like you know um i feel like my villain was definitely um val's friend, the one who had sex with Lori, Carrie Coon.
Lori was like, do you have PayPal? And then his girlfriend comes in and slaps her as she's jumping out the window. That was nuts.
That was nuts. People are saying the USA Olympic team should hire Lori because there's like the scene of when

Rick first shoots the dad. She's literally sprinting

off. I don't know if you've seen the clip.

So good. I love her.

Yeah. All right, ladies.
Well, I appreciate

you coming on. Always fun chatting with you.

You'll have to do it again. Obviously

you guys, Disrespectfully is

out and available. Be sure to check it

out. Let us know.
You have Cynthia and

Crystal on your latest episode. Latest episode and then our Friday episode this week is our 100th episode.
Oh my god, congrats. I'm very excited about that.
That's so exciting. That's quite an accomplishment.
I mean, I knew you guys would get to a thousand. Feels like just yesterday.
Like, you know, the average podcast hits eight episodes. Wow.
Okay, look at us actually that number might be lower now but

like what i remember when i started i was told like most most podcasts don't get past eight

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Jordan, welcome to the Vile Files. I appreciate it.
Thank you all. Excited.
Really, really excited to have you on. We're big fans, obviously, of your music.
And I think you might know this, but it was your song that we selected when we did the gender reveal for our daughter. Oh, no way.
It was really, next thing you know, was I think really a song. And I think for a lot of families and people who are starting that journey in their lives to like listen to and hold on to because it was just so relatable and it was just like so yeah i think early in in my pregnancy like whenever we found out it that was a song that we every time we got in the car we put it on that is awesome thank y'all very much that one i mean truly one of my favorite songs i've ever written and it was that was one of the coolest things about that song was being able to see the videos and seeing people connect with it i mean as a songwriter there's nothing better in the world so i appreciate y'all using how long ago did you write that song at least three years ago now you know it was cool we we came in i wrote that with chase mcgill josh osborne and graylin james you know it's it's funny because everybody in nashville there's like a structure you know to a country song you got a verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus you want it to be relatable you want people to sing it and uh you know there's nothing nothing repeats in that song uh and i had came in with an idea of of a song you know starting and going through the the whole you know road of life and um you know and it's funny like i was god i bawled like a baby writing that thing uh you know i at least walked out the room i don't want them to see me crying but uh but yeah i mean it just kind of it hit me and uh they grow up quick and i are noticing it now no literally i was uh i was literally just talking about it our last episode because i don't know how it's like for you as a dad and i'm curious like was there a moment that really made you like when you went back and you wrote that song was there like a specific moment you know because like when we found out now he was pregnant with river and then you know she's born every parent you meet it's like it goes by fast it goes by fast and everyone says that so much that you kind of start rolling or you guys you know when you hear the same thing over and over like no i get it it goes by fast yeah it falls on deaf ears but you know for me it honestly was like the past couple weeks they were really hit right because like river's old enough she's walking she's trying to talk she's communicating and i feel like her and i are connecting yeah you know in ways that like you know now he's been connecting her with her since day one right and now i was telling the story but like my my parents were in town you know they're here for a few days they were going to leave so i was like you know mom's going to put river down my grant my mom her grandma was going to put river down just to like maybe spend some quality time with her and like river just kind of fought it because i'm usually the one who puts her down because i've i've tried to like have that be my thing that's your thing yeah yeah and and she really threw a fit uh and i came in there and river just like wrapped her arms around me and like was like hey dada and i was just like oh man i'm never gonna let anyone do this it's the best and then i got kind of sad, right? Because I got sad about like, she's changing so fast.
And the way she says, hi, Dada, just is going to be different, you know? And it really hit me. And it just made me think of your song even more, you know? Because before, when I first heard your song, when I was loving it, I was like, oh, this is a good jam and it's sentimental.
But now like as a dad, it's connecting with his daughter. It's just like, holy fucking shit.

Well, I mean, I think a lot of it with me was I had a West Coast run and I was gone for like,

you know, my daughter was three, you know, going on four, had a West Coast run.

And, you know, usually when we go out there, we stay for two weeks, 10 days, you know, whatever.

And like when I got back from that run, it was like she had grown.

It's like a totally different child.

And you start thinking about, I've been on the road a lot for my kids' life.

And I just thought about how fast it is.

My parents are always telling me, you got to slow down.

You got to spend time with these kids.

And I do.

But my job takes me on the road.

And it was just those little moments of she, she walked better or she could talk,

you know,

more.

She could tell you exactly what she wanted.

And when I left,

it wasn't that way.

And,

you know,

and it sounds crazy to think,

but like 10 days is a lot when you're talking about a one year old kid.

Yeah.

And,

um,

yeah,

that,

that's kind of where that,

that idea came from.

And your oldest is a girl.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it just has me wrapped around her finger but it's like that like you were saying you know even now she's five and she'll she'll always be like dad you hug me too much and i'm like it breaks my heart because i know like at some point yeah she's gonna be like dad stop like god stop like get off of me you you know? And it just, like, breaks my heart, you know? But, yeah, she's got me right where she wants me.
He thinks he's going to be, like, tough with it. He thinks he's not going to.
We don't have a shot, bro. We don't have a shot.
I'm going to love her. I'm going to give her what she needs and what she wants, but I really just don't want spoiled kids, and I really want her to be a badass boss.
And, you know, I don't and i think you know i know it's gonna be hard but i honestly think it's my job to like make sure that like i gotta sometimes i gotta teach her the you gotta show the tough side yeah you know um and that'll be hard too but like i don't know maybe you have some advice for me as your kids get older just because like i'm really worried about like i'm very fortunate of like having a the life that we have and we're very lucky to give our daughter things that we wouldn't dream of even asking for as kids but like yeah i really i really hope that she um isn't spoiled well we had that on this last christmas where me and kristen stayed up till.m. wrapping gifts.
And I'm like, what are we doing, babe? I'm like, this is like, I don't think I got this many presents from one to 12. Yeah.
I mean, and she's like, well, she wanted this and this and this. And I told her that night, I was like, hey, from now on, we're going to back off on this.
Like, you know, because I'm the same way. Like me and my wife, you know, both grew up working class families and, you know, are so blessed to get to give or to what our kids are going to be able to experience.
And I think that's where we really kind of shifted it to like, you know, toys are cool, but it's like, you know, we just went to Australia and got to bring them with us with us and it's like it's more so those things where i'm like let's let's give them experiences and show them show them the world instead of just giving my son another monster truck right yeah that he's gonna lose or not want to play with in three days but yeah i'm we'll have to work through that together all right i'm i hope you can offer he tells me to stop i'm definitely the one who i mean i feel like now she can't be spoiled she's 14 months old she doesn't know what it is it's like once she starts being like oh i want that i want that i want that then i feel like i'll be able to reel it in but it's your ability to stop because you get such joy i do you know out of like oh river would love this And it's true, right? You. And it's true.
You know you're going to get an excitement and River's only going to get more excited and show more appreciation for gifts. And like, are you going to be able to lock it up and stop? Probably not, Mama.
Probably not. Me and Kristen probably have that in common.
Absolutely. She is just as bad about it.

Like, are you buying it for her?

Are you buying it for you?

Right.

What I think is so funny, though, is you, one of your boys is Lachlan, right?

Yeah.

And that is one of the names on White Lotus.

Oh, no way.

And I was just thinking the three children that are like from the South in this show

are Saxon, Lachlan, and Piper.

And I was like, those three names are probably going to be super common within this next year. Yeah, we've got a Lachlan.
And I've got a Piper as a niece. Do you? You're ahead of the curve.
I am. Where did the inspiration come behind naming your children? So my daughter's Eloise.
And I think me and my wife were dating for like two weeks. And she like just a heads up if this works out my daughter will be named Eloise like it's not like I know and I was like okay I mean at that time I was like sure whatever uh but she was working out yeah she was like you know if you had if you're dead set on a name a daughter, we might as well call it off now.
And I was like, no, it's fine. I haven't even thought about that.
I'll call her Elle. Yeah.
And so she was like, my daughter will be named Eloise. Is it like a family name? She just has always loved the name Eloise.
And so we had Eloise that was set in stone from very early on, uh, Lachlan, when we had him, uh, we lived in Lachlan Springs, you know, just, I'd always love that name. And, uh, we spelled a little different than the way they do, but, and then Elijah, uh, is my, my youngest, uh, you know, we just call him Eli.
And that was a name that I've always loved. And, uh.
I've always liked that name too. That was the, that was like my fake, I don't know if you had this when you were growing up in high school and every time, like maybe you're like traveling with some buddies and you decide to like make up different names.
Yeah, I had like a fake name. Elijah was my go-to.
Well, see, that was mine too. Like if you would ever, I remember as a kid when you would do a creative player on like PlayStation or whatever, I would always name him Eli.
And, and now I've got my own Eli. But it was, you know, we didn't find out with him.
So it was a, we didn't find out with Eloise. And then we found out with Lachlan.
And then we didn't find out with Eli. But we were naming Eli boy or girl.
Which do you, which experience did you like better? Not finding out. Not finding out.
Really? That was pretty cool. I think I found out with Locke because my brother has three girls and I have a sister.
And so I was kind of like, hey, man, the last name's kind of coming into question here. So I was just like, really like, man,

I hope I have a boy.

And then we found out with him and I really could see how anticlimactic it was

for my wife where I was like,

let's go.

I've got a boy.

And she's like,

Oh,

awesome.

It's a boy.

And so now we're,

we're not finding out with,

with the,

we've got another one coming in June.

So I have,

I have a friend who we found out with river and partly Nellie was so sick

I don't know. with the, we've got another one coming in June.
So congratulations. I have, I have a friend who we found out with river and partly Nellie was so sick early on that.
She's like, I need this. I need, I needed something to get excited about and look forward to.
I was like, and I was kind of always like down for whatever. And then when we found out river was a girl, I mean, I was definitely like, I think I've always just wanted a son.
I'm convinced I'm going to have all daughters. So when we found out river was a girl, I was just definitely like i i think i've always just wanted a son i'm convinced i'm gonna have all daughters so when we found out river was a girl i was just yeah and i now he's like how do you feel i'm like i literally said i but sometimes i have really bad timing i'm like i think i would have cried if it was a boy yeah and i was like oh i'm like standing there sobbing in front of him he's like yeah well i would be right there with you if it was a boy but i mean listen as soon as and i'm sure you feel the same way about eloise but like as soon as they appear in this world you can't imagine them being anything other than they they are it's like you know and it's like you were saying you know earlier about you know when people tell you how fast it goes and it kind of falls on deaf ears it was like you know when you can ask somebody like you know what's it like to have a kid it's like until they get here it's like yeah you know it totally different for the mom but i feel like as the dad you know just seeing your wife go through how y'all do pregnancy thank god i just wouldn't be able to do it but you know there's like that kind of until the baby shows up and then you're like, oh, now I get how you could never love anything more than that little crazy looking thing.

But like, you're like, oh, my God, it's just it's crazy. How much do your kids inspire just your your career, your music in general?

Yeah.

I mean, a ton on the songwriting side of it. I mean, you know, know even you know by dirt was another one that was kind of inspired by you know how i want to go about raising the family you really have some family bangers i do thank you i you know i i can i i've grew up mostly hating country music yeah I'm was from i'm from wisconsin i don't know i think i was just kind of like i just decided i wasn't gonna like it a lot of my friends did and you know i'm i'm old enough to like country music back then was a little different not what it is today and that bit and i was resistant to it and then met nally and she's always playing country music and then she took me to stagecoach and I really fell in love with country music stagecoach and it was because of the community yeah it was about like I'm usually not a guy who's like listening to lyrics of like songs and things like that but you can't you can't help but to when it comes to country music it's more deliberate and I just really loved like not to sound corny but like the the songs about it it was like songs and music about like things i want for myself and my dreams and things like that so like songs like yours i don't know there's the ones i usually connected with more because like that's how i got into it and like now it now and like i'll play i've i've played it by myself you know like you know usually it was always like when now he's playing it now I've really become a fan just because I really love yeah like the messages and shit there's an honesty in the songwriting you know I've always kind of struggled on you know and now I feel like country's more open than it's ever been I mean you've got the Cody Johnsons who are you know cowboys you know country to the bone and then you've got me somewhere in the middle of it, it feels like.
And then you've got Jelly and Post Malone's in it. And it's just like, I've just tried to get more to like, man, I just love good music.
And I think with me, it always comes down to the songwriting side of it, the message, the honesty in it. Did you start off songwriting? Yeah.
You did. I mean, I never, never had a dream of like playing music live, like playing on stage, being the guy singing.
I moved in 2012 to write songs. You know, just wanted to write songs for the artist, you know, was bartending, doing everything to kind of stay in town and was struggling finding a job as a songwriter and had a bunch of songs and met somebody that was like, hey man, why don't you start singing them? Like try to do the artist thing.
And I was like, well, if that could get me out of bartending, I'll do anything. And like now I don't know what I would do without going on playing shows.
Why only songwriting and not just, you know, being an artist at first? Well, my family was, my uncle was a songwriter, so I always knew that there was a, here in town and had some hits. So I always knew that there were people writing songs for Alan Jackson's or George Strait's.
And so I knew that was a job. And then my brother moved to town two years before I did, and he was trying to get a record deal and kind of started having some success.
So I was just like, man, I'll move to Nashville and write with him. And, you know, hopefully we can, you know, do the songwriting thing.
And he goes out and plays and it's like totally flipped. Now my brother is a full-time songwriter and off the road.
And I'm on the road. How much have y'all collaborated? A lot.
I mean, he's probably my most, the guy I write with the most. But he was a writer on By Dirt with me.
He's got four or five on this next album. So we write together a whole lot.
Wow. That's crazy.
Yeah. That By Dirt makes think of uh the lake house that i was able to buy back my grandfather uh built the house in like 65 we lost it when i was nine oh you bought it back i bought it back dude a couple years ago that is the house his mom grew up in and like is it back in wisconsin yeah super underrated state yeah beautiful state Keep it a secret though yeah it's like in the middle of nowhere uh the lakes up there unreal yeah it's on yeah on a lake and we have uh we're remodeling it now um we essentially we're essentially redoing the house yeah uh because like when i got when i got there and like some of some of our audience members are mad at me oh yeah don't be mad at him come on now well i bought you know we bought the house and made such a big deal about it and then when we got the when we got the property back i was like kind of amazed and grateful like how preserved it was like the the concrete steps leading down to the lake still have like my my mom and my uncle's names engraved in the in the concrete when they were kids you know and like the swing set they grew up on still there and shit, but it's really the property, you know, that's special to me.
Cause like all we do is just go on the lake and stare at the lake and the house itself is, you know, it doesn't need to be anything special. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't, yeah, that's the thing.
But now that we're there and we want to like grow our family and have people up, it's just like it, you know, the pipes yellow and yeah so like we just needed to fix it up and it just made sense to you know bigger and grander but like that you're this by by dirt just every time i listen to that song it just makes me think of like when you have a like a special place that like it will always be in my family like my dream for that house is to have my kids love it as much as i love it. I was about to say, have y'all taken River out there yet? Yeah.
Like how special is that? Yeah. You know, now like she's getting older.
Like now she was just like a little bean, you know, but now she's like seeing the world. I can't wait to like this summer and like teach her how to swim and shit.
Like I, that's where I learned how to swim. That's where I learned how to water ski and shit.
I mean, that's just like the, you know you know the spot for us that was always either my grandparents they lived on a lake in east texas so like the summers were going there and it's like you know it wasn't anything crazy it's on toledo bend which is a pretty lake i mean but it's nothing like probably lake in wisconsin but like you know it was just more like that was where my cousins went and for three weeks of a summer we would go down there and it was just us and family and you know still some of my favorite memories were at that lake house and then now y'all get to do that with y'all's kids it's gonna be awesome yeah it's a it's it's a cool experience have you been able to look back at any songs that you've written now that you are such a successful artist yourself and be like kind of of wish I would have saved that for myself? Or are you like happy at the Holmes? Oh, no, no. I mean, like, I take any, anytime one of my songs gets released to the world, I'm super happy about it.
There was one, Jake Owen cut one of my songs that is still one of my, which one? It's called Somewhere South of the Rome. And I was so on the fence about it.
And I was like, man, I really love this song. He had it on hold and I'd heard he was going to cut it.
And then I kind of got cold feet and I was like, man, I think I need to cut this then. You know, because like when you see another artist that, and I love Jake, like he's been so good to me and take me out on tours.
And, you know, and then I'm like, well, dang, Jake thinks it's cool. Maybe I should record it.
But I'm super stoked. It was a full circle thing for me when it's like, man, that's cool.
Jake is one of my favorites in country music. I've gotten a tour with him.
And now I think it was my second outside cut being him was pretty cool. I have one Jake Owen's t-shirts No way Like a face tee? No I dated his ex-girlfriend Oh like a real Jake Owen shirt It's a Miami Vice It's a Miami Vice t-shirt And like I didn't know country music Back then This is 20'm 44 this is 20 years ago yeah like this 20 i don't 18 years ago i'm 27 28 yeah um my ex-girlfriend was like yeah i dated this country you know he he was big then but he's much bigger now yeah you know and i was just like this spiteful like new boyfriend i was like this fucking guy whatever i didn't know anything about him at the time but she she had this purple miami vice t-shirt that i was like this is a dope ass t-shirt.
Honestly, you need to give it to Jordan to give it back. I feel like she gave it back.
Anyway, she told me how she stole it from him in the divorce and I stole it from her in our divorce. And by divorce, I mean, we just broke up.
But I still got the fucking shirt. No way.
You've got to get that back, Jordan. If Jake, if you're listening, if there's a purple Miami Vice t t-shirt if you want it could you imagine if you bring that up to me he's like dude i haven't stopped thinking about that shirt false that is hilarious yeah that's pretty full circle right there that is crazy uh you have a beautiful beard thank you uh i've always wondered if i could grow something that full i can already tell you i think you could.
I don't know. It gets a little like wiry after a while.
Is there a secret to being, because it looks like it's meant to be that thick. Beard oil.
Beard oil. It kind of gives it some volume.
Okay. But I think you could go there.
You don't use beard oil on that? No. I don't.
It helps a lot. I was against the beard oil because i was just like no like feels a little fancy when i yeah like i don't want to have to manicure my beard and then i started like this that somebody sent me a um a package of savage main beard oil and i was just like all right off the name alone i gotta try it right manly enough yeah yeah and so i'd used it one day and I was like, okay, this is great.
And now I'd use like beard oil and a beard shampoo. Okay.
Oh my gosh. I use like a.
You're getting gifted like the kits for Christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. But not one sponsor on my beard.
I always say this, my beard is still a free agent. Like nobody.
That is crazy. Yeah.
That's a beautiful beard. I definitely feel like.
That's a marketable beard. It's a marketable beard, right? They could take your face off and do one of those beard silhouettes and be like, yeah, that's Jordan Davis.
That's it. Yeah.
That is true. But no, you got to get on the beard game.
I'll tell you what. I'm going to bring you.
Bring me. A beard oil.
Okay. Thank you.
And you can let me know your honest opinion. We should do a get ready with me with Jordan Davis.
Yeah. This is beard routine.
Takes like three minutes. Yeah.
Like, all right, well, there you go. Bar None recently came out.
How excited were you to release that? Man, I haven't stopped listening to the song since I got it sent to me. It truly is like, it's a perfect kickoff too.
We've got a record coming out at the end of this year that I'm super excited about. uh you don't want to move that up like a little sooner or what if i could okay uh but no we're releasing a lot of music over the next couple months and man bar none was just like it truly got sent to me my manager sent it over and was like hey man check this out we'd probably recorded 12 or 13 songs and i mean i just couldn't stop listening to it and it's even so now i mean it's been out

for a couple weeks and uh fans are already already loving it we played it for the first time at a festival last weekend and it was super catchy how did at what point do you find out that like your song is on today's country on like apple i feel like that's always the like playlist i go to is just like today's country and it's non-stop

Jordan Davis.

I'm super fortunate. I feel like that's always the like playlist I go to is just like today's country and it's nonstop

Jordan Davis no I mean it's I'm super fortunate like I mean it's um you know it's I try not to

like keep up with it you know because you just like kind of record it put it out put your head

down right and and keep going but when you have songs like that that really kind of raise their

hand as as something special it's hard not to keep an eye on it and this one is it's I mean

Thank you. and keep going.
But when you have songs like that, that really kind of raise their hand as, as something special,

it's hard not to keep an eye on it.

And this one is,

it's,

I mean,

probably one of my best releases I've, I've put out so far.

And it's great.

It feels like it's something different than I haven't done before.

Yeah.

And it's just a great kickoff to,

to what a lot of this record sounds like.

How many songs are on,

can you say on your record?

I think I've got 16,

16 or 17?

Yeah, 17. Wow.
How do you choose 17? Yeah. It feels like it.
But then Morgan puts like 40 bangers on one, and then I'm just like, man. But if I had 40 that I think should go on a record, I probably would.
17's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot.
Do you get a lot of say in that? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like it's a, I've been, I've, i've been i've got an amazing team but uh that's one of my favorite things about you know publishers management label is uh i have full reign on and that's even going back to my first album uh you know it's like you know you hear stories from other artists about like you know i was kind of pushed in this direction or that direction but i've never i've never felt that i've had full creative control over all my albums so where do you stand on music videos are you like full let's bring them back like they used to be yeah yeah i mean you know mainly because like the last video uh i literally just got my friends to come over for two days in charleston and we rented a boat and's fun.
Like you just kind of get a day to hang with your buddies. But that's also like a kid that grew up watching CMT nonstop.
Right. You know, like that was such a such a cool thing to put like a visual with the song that it's still something that I love doing.
And then you have a fun, you know, a song like Bar None that I'm like, oh,, this could be, this could be a fun video. No, I was going to ask you, do you have like any ideas in mind for? I don't.
I'm terrible at coming up with the idea. I'm pretty good at writing the songs and singing them.
But when it comes to like the videos, that's such a different creative side that I, that I can't get into or I'm not good at. Right.
But I'm sure it's probably going to revolve around drinking, which will be fun. As someone who planned on being a songwriter and not an artist, do you enjoy performing live or do you get stage fright or is it a little bit of both? There was definitely a learning period.
So it's funny. When I first started taking meetings, I got a call one day and they were like, hey, Universal wants to meet with you.
And I was like, oh, sweet. And in my mind, I'm thinking like, oh, Universal Publishing, I might get a songwriting contract.
And they send over the address and it's the label. And I was like, oh, I guess they take songwriter meetings at the label.
And I walk in

with the guy

that was helping me out at the time. And he said,

by the way, man, you know this is like for

a record deal, right? And I was

like, oh, I did not.

And so I sit down,

first ever sit down,

and she's like, so how long have you been playing?

And I was like, I'm not going

to tell this person. And I've never played a show before.
And I was like, oh, you know, I'm still pretty green. But like, you know.
Since I was little. Yeah, yeah.
You know, mostly acoustic stuff. But like, I've got some shows coming up.
I know enough to be dangerous. Yeah, exactly.
And she's like, well, let me know when your next show is. I'd love to come check it out.
And I immediately went home and I was like, I've got to find a band. I've got to learn how to do a set list.
I need to learn how to just learn everything. And she came to my first show and she told me, she was like, you're really green.
And in the back of my mind, I was like, yeah, it's the first time I've ever played. Finally, I came out with it and I was like, hey, I've never done this before.
I don't know what I'm doing. doing and I ended up signing and the best thing that happened to me was I signed my deal and I don't I didn't release music for probably a year and a half and just went out and played little bitty no-name towns little bars first full band show I ever played was there was it was in it was in in Birmingham there was a sound guy there was bartenders.
And there was one guy at the bar that was playing. You know the games where you have to pick the difference between the two photos? Yeah.
He was drinking and playing that game and had no clue what we were doing. Like didn't even turn around one.
Did not care. And I think I got.
Where is that candlestick? Yeah. But yeah, I think I got paid like 250 bucks that's crazy cost me 400 bucks to get everybody down there that's crazy I mean I love those stories because I always love hearing like you know especially people as successful as you are like you know how they cut their teeth like how they pay their dues you know it's you know obviously like you know you talked about how lucky you are and the privileges you have but like you know it's it's moments like that right there's i don't 99 out of 100 people right there just say fuck i don't know man like this ain't for me like i'm not i'm not doing this shit you know you talked yourself out of it though yeah you know but like it's that you know you you bet on yourself you you put it together you you know like that drive out there spending 400 bucks and make 250 to be in a room that's empty yeah perform is it's uh i love i've loved shit like that i mean it's it's like i took those you in you know and kudos to to my team at the time of being like hey don't worry about who shows up don't worry about how it goes like just get better every night.
Get more comfortable. And I mean, without that, if I were to just jump into it and think, oh, yeah, I'm good, man.
I wasn't even looking for this and I got it. Yeah.
I don't know if I would be where I'm at now. That's incredible.
Obviously, we love watching TV, reality TV. I hear you're into this million dollar show on Netflix.
Do y'all watch it? No, I have not. I've heard it's good.
Everyone's been telling us it's so good. Convince us that we should be watching.
I think it's amazing. All right.
So like, I'm trying to wean off of true crime. Okay.
So like, read this article about how if you calm down to true crime, there's like tons of red flags. Yeah.
And I was like, all right. Did your wife get you into it? Or were you like, it interesting like what's your childhood trauma i know right that's exactly what they say they're like if you calm down by watching trauma you've got some major problems man and uh so i like you know and i do i love reality tv and we have a ton of time you know ton of downtime on the road flights whatever so the other day i saw it so it's million dollar secret that's million dollar secret and yeah so do you know the premise at all all right so i read it this morning but okay explain to people so basically they it's like probably eight or nine people right now and then one gets voted off and they get given a box, you know, eight of them are empty.
One of them has a million bucks in it. And then they have to go the whole day trying to find out who has the million bucks.
They're all lying to each other. Like nobody said what they do.
One woman's a cop, but she's like never addressed that she's a cop. And like one person's like kind of getting on to like, and then they give like these hints and he's like, I'm doing a terrible job explaining this.
I'm sorry. But like, you know, they have like a, they have like a game they have to play.
And then the winners get to go into this vault and then you get given like a, a tip to like help tip out who the millionaire is. And then they all have this big dinner and then they vote on it.
And then you have to open your box in front of everybody. But here's what I don't know is going to happen.
Because the season's still going. I think they're about to release the, actually tonight.
Is today the 9th? I think so. I think two episodes come out tonight.
Yep, the 9th. Okay.
So this will be yesterday for everyone. Okay.
Well, so there's a couple new episodes. We know what you're doing.
So I'm in on it i am all so this is your true crime i think i think that's why i like it i was actually like talking to my wife about this i was like i think because it's like half detective do you know as a viewer who has yeah you do you do okay so you know who the millionaire is and then they get given like this is this is what i think is awesome so like the millionaire gets a like a task so this the one one of the first girls had the million bucks and this guy with a really cool voice comes in and he's like you have to hug everybody today like so you have to like secretly find a way to hug everybody and not make it like and not make it to where somebody's like hey i think the task is you have to give everybody a hug so the the millionaire the millionaire has given tasks he's given they have to complete these tasks covertly yeah okay and then like one of them was like they had to like drop like song titles in like regular conversation so it's it's pretty cool to like see how they do it and then the detective side of everybody's like everybody's move like every move you make is being watched all day and it's like hey that person like i don't know his it's kind of like trade it's like traders code yeah i was gonna say next thing you know you're watching did you watch traders at all i did not so you would That's good. If you like this show, you'd love Traders.
Okay. Well, then I need to get on it.
You need to get on that. If you just would like buy a little dirt, you would love Traders.
Yeah. Love it.
See, that would be a test. You have to sneak in, buy dirt into the episode.
That's funny. But yeah, it's like, I think six, I think there's like six people left now.
Okay. That sounds good.
Is this one of your first reality TV shows you got into? No. Okay.
I've been a reality. What are you a fan of? What do you like? I mean, it started with Jersey Shore.
Well, of course. The OG.
When we first started dating, I got invited to the MTV reality TV awards before they combined them. And Broughton Alley.
And we sat at the table and Snooki and jwoww are at our table and uh jwoww ended up coming to our wedding no way we became friends but nally like leaned over she's like this is my super bowl and she was like sweating and freaking out and like i never watched jersey shorts so like i honestly was like i don't even know who these people are but i don don't give a fuck or whatever. She was freaking out.
I was like, you need to be normal. Stop being so fucking weird.
It was hilarious. So my, I did a CMT interview.
So I toured with Dierks Bentley last summer or here recently, maybe two summers ago. And we would do a cold plunge in the morning.
Then we would work out and then we would do pickleball. So it was our, what did he call it? PPL.
Pickle plunge lift. So that was our GTL.
And then we recreated a photo from Jersey Shore with like me and Dierks and my crew. And then we just like put them side by side.
And so I come back to Nashville after the tour and I'm talking about it. And they got Mike the situation to do a cameo to me.
And I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. Like, but yeah, I was pretty, it's like, he kind of bashed me.
He's like, dude, you, you GTL game is terrible. You know, pickle plunge, whatever.
But I was like, watch it. And I was pretty, like he kind of bashed me.
He's like, dude, your GTL game is terrible. You know, pickle, plunge, whatever.
But I was like watching it. I was like, this is worlds colliding right here.
It's crazy. But yeah, Jersey started me off.
God, I mean, I feel like there's, you know, obviously Bachelor, Bachelorette. You got into the Bachelor? Yeah.
Yeah, I was like, it's like, I already watch way too much TV. So it's like, that's like, I need that to like kind of decompress.
For sure. So yeah, I'm a big, I'm a big reality guy.
I mean, that's how I got on the show. I was making fun of my, my, uh, my buddy's wife for watching it.
And that's how you, did they like, did you know they were, did they sign you up for it? She's like, ah, shut up. I'm going to sign you up.
And like my, you know, my girlfriend and I had just split or whatever. And she like joked about it, but like, I did not think she was being being serious and then like months later i got a random phone call and you were in yeah he was in never let go look at you now baby yeah just kept showing up um just kept showing up do you have any i would imagine so but plans to tour after this record comes out?

Yeah.

We've got a just announced last week.

We've got a tour in the fall.

I think we crank up in early September.

I'm playing some venues that I've been wanting to play for a long time.

Red Rocks was always my bucket list spot.

And I've never opened up for anybody there, so this will be my first time being there.

Radio City in New York. Okay.
And the la so those are those are like three very staples of it but also i mean i always hate like talking about three certain shows because there's you know some amazing spots we're stopping at but uh do you uh are you gonna be able to take the family at all or i mean i don't know hard with them in school yeah and we'll have a brand new one it's like we've tried the touring thing like kudos to the artist that can take the fam out and like that is just a that is a whole different animal um it just makes for really really long days uh so they'll probably come out for like certain stops okay but um are you busting it yeah yeah? Yeah. Yeah.
It's harder too. It's so tough.
Yeah. They don't sleep.
And then like the, like the last time we took them out and like a three day run, I got like a, you know, cause we just have like a regular style. There's 12 bunks on my bus and everybody's got a bunk and we had the back lounge.
So for this weekend with them coming out, I was like, all right, we'll put them, we'll put the kids in a bunk. And then me and Kristen had a room in the back of the bus which i was like this will be fine like i'll be able to get some sleep they'll be in the you know it'll be great that just turned into five of us in the bed every night and just sandwiched in you got no sleep no sleep you're playing shows like just dog tired uh and that's when i was like all right if we're gonna do the family touring thing we gotta find a better approach yeah gotta do it right do your kids i would imagine how old is lachlan he's three three okay so he might not but does eloise know that you're like famous and yeah i think she's kind of catching on to it uh she she said something to my wife the other day.
Kristen sent me a text message, and she was like, Eloise just asked, why do so many people know my dad? But it's actually made some really funny. She went to school one time, and I was talking to a teacher, and she asked everybody what song their dad sings.
So she just kind of thought everybody's dad sang songs uh so i picked her up i was taking her home i was like hey some dads are doctors mechanics you know not everybody's dad is crazy enough to try to do this for a living but yeah she's kind of catching on to you know she's come to shows and yeah luckily i'm still not her favorite i was about to say does she give you her honest because kids are brutal so if you're like hey can i play you a new song is she like if she passes on it there's a good chance that song's not making my record like it and they really are like you know love melodies and i've got to watch it with my son because he he loves monster trucks loves any truck so any So any song I put a truck in, which is country music, we do that a lot.

He's all about the truck song.

He's like, oh, dad's got a truck in it.

That's good.

But Eloise is like, hey, dad, I like that one.

So she helps a lot with picking some songs for these records.

She knows the ones that will pull on people's heartstrings.

Absolutely.

That's great.

That's really cute. I love that.

I would be curious if my kids will give us input on on the show or oh i'm sure yeah they'll find their way to give like unsolicited advice could have done better there yeah well i'm really a great episode you know imagine imagine having content out there you hope they never find yeah i know right i already have to answer that to like my mom she she just she was in time for three weeks and i played her some songs and i still get in trouble i'm 37 years old i'm a grown man with oh no almost four kids oh no and if i say like damn in a song she's like why are you why are you cussing in your song and i'm like mom that's not a cuss word. She's like, yes, it is.
And your kids are going to hear that one day. And I'm like, and I will cross that bridge when we get there.
Your mom would be very disappointed in me. I have a potty mouth.
I really do. And I am trying to cut back.
Is that something, like, I don't know if you had a sailor's mouth or not before kids, but like, was that something that you were like, I actively need to reel it in?

Definitely.

I caught myself a couple of times where, you know, I've had to be like, they're getting older to where they may repeat that.

You know, I might need to watch.

You ever seen those videos where a parent will like tell their kid to go in a room and they don't know that there's a camera there.

And the parent says, I'm going to step out and you can say whatever bad words you want to say and you won't get in trouble and the kids are just like but also some of them are like shut up stupid you know it's like their words like jerk yeah yeah uh that yeah that if i were to do that with mine it it would probably lean more towards that. That's so funny.
Who are you going out with on tour? And so this fall, I've got Mitchell Tenpenny coming out with me and Vincent Mason. How fun.
How do you pick those? So Mitchell's been one of my oldest buddies in town. I've always been a huge fan of him.
Yeah. And just become friends.
And he was out with us last year and just had a blast. And then when we started looking for support again, I was like, man, I asked Mitchell if he'd do it.
Totally expecting him to be like, dude, I just went out with you. I'm going to go do my own tour or go with somebody else.
And he took it again. And I'm honored.
I love Mitchell to death. And then Vincent is one that I just got turned on to, I guess, last year.
I heard one of his songs on TikTok and I was like, dang, this kid's good. And whenever it came time to find another support act, I asked about Vincent and he jumped at it.
So it's going to be a fun tour. It's going to be a fun one.
That's awesome, man. Well, congratulations on all your success.
It's incredible to have you on the show. Thanks for being a part of our daughter's story.
No, man. Thank you all.
That truly means world. And I appreciate y'all having me on.
This has been awesome. Come back anytime, man.
Especially as you, any related TV shows you jump into, let us know. No, y'all got to let me know if I'm way off on this.
Because like. No, well, I think you're, no, thanks for'm thanks for the recommendation the way you describe it it makes and i hear other people are watching and talking about it and you should check out traders because like i think people are very much into like even like white lotus i don't know if you watch that but like you know these shows where it's a lot of like you know clue and you're supposed to kind of figure things out it's a lot you know because know, because ultimately like all reality TV is like, depending on, regardless of what the format is, it's like, it's human interactions.
You know, you're watching people. It's a way to like, judge yourself, see yourself through other people's lenses, judge other people and just kind of like see how people interact with each other.
And it's like, it's just, it's, it's just a fascinating like case studies. So it's like, I think a lot of of those shows that's where they're so popular right now it makes sense why why netflix is kind of jumping on that bandwagon so i'm definitely going to check it out but uh yeah when you when you let me know when you get another show we'll uh i'll send it over yeah send over uh congratulations on everything your tour your music it's all amazing we're big fans.
And thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it.

Thank you all.

All right.

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