E916 - Disrespectfully, Jordan Davis, RHOBH, Shanté & Brion Split, 24hrs In NYC & Bachelor Feuds

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Speaker 3 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I almost forgot about it.
I was like, What show are we doing?

Speaker 2 Reality, reality recapital.

Speaker 3 Edition, we have another jam-packed episode for you guys.

Speaker 2 Excited to bring it to you.

Speaker 3 We got the ladies from Disrespectfully Katie and Dana joining us momentarily. Plus, country star Jordan Davis is joining us.

Speaker 3 Also, we like to call him the man who wrote the amazing song for Rivers Gender Reveal is with us. Jordan Davis is with us.

Speaker 3 You know, it's really cool to do what we do, babe, sometimes.

Speaker 3 Oh, and then we get to interview the guy whose like soundtrack we picked randomly. randomly, not even randomly.

Speaker 4 No, we listened to that song all through the beginning of what I say.

Speaker 3 So it wasn't randomly, but it's just like, it's cool.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's exciting to have him on.

Speaker 3 Anyways, we're excited to talk with him. So much to get into.
We just got back from a little trip from New York.

Speaker 2 We were in New York for, I think, less than 20, well, how many hours? 12, maybe?

Speaker 3 I felt very cool, very spontaneous.

Speaker 3 Took the wife to New York.

Speaker 4 No, I took you, first of all. Thank you.
I got a text from Macy, who is the mastermind who designed all of my wedding looks. Her and her sister run the Sink Bridal Company.

Speaker 4 They're based in LA, but they are opening a showroom in New York and they, you know, are in, are in bridal shops all over the world. But, anyways, she texted me.

Speaker 4 It's New York Bridal Fashion Week this week and she texted me maybe last week and was like, do you think you'll be able to make it?

Speaker 4 And I was like, oh, I've never, I didn't even know this was happening. Like, I must not have got this flyer.
I don't know. So she's sending it to me.
And I'm like, okay, like let me, you know,

Speaker 4 I will definitely try. Like I will do everything in my power and I will try my absolute hardest.

Speaker 4 And it just so happened that like my mom hadn't seen River in two months, which is shocking in its own self. So she was in town to hang out with River and

Speaker 4 it on like with recording schedule, everything just kind of worked out perfectly. So we were able to.
escape. And I feel like like showing up for those types of things for your friends is so important

Speaker 4 to me and I hope other people, but like big moments in their life, in their career, like where you, it might be a little hard, you might have to like call some people, a little moving part, spend a little money, but like to show up for the people that you care about and to like show them that like you're there for them and you support them and you care about them, I think is so important.

Speaker 4 And so I just like, I know it meant a lot to them that we came.

Speaker 4 It meant a lot to me to be able to see the new collection that she has spent so much time designing and working on. And I'm just so proud of Madeline and Macy.
And I was so happy we got to do it.

Speaker 4 It was so much fun. We like went up, we got there at noon, we took an Uber straight to lunch.
We met Joe, grocery store Joe, he came and met us. We shopped around a little bit.

Speaker 2 It was a lot of fun. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's, you know, in adult life, to Nally's point, like showing up for your friends, like, I don't know, like Natalie and I are definitely in the season of,

Speaker 3 you know, being very, I hate the, hating, hate with the word using like intentional, but it's true.

Speaker 4 Like we're very intentional about like who we invest in, our community of people like who are who are who are the groups of people we want to like grow old with well because now it's like we're not just hanging out with people to hang out with people like we're hanging out with people and bringing them around our daughter and so i think it's like we want those people to be like genuine good people that like our daughter could look up to one day and not bring around people who are just here for a season or like don't have, you know, the best intentions like coming into a friendship.

Speaker 3 Anyways, I was just really impressed with the event. I, I, you know, like, who am I to have an opinion about these things?

Speaker 3 You know, I've been to so many bullshit events, you know, whether it's like sponsored by like a company or a party of some kind, certainly fashion shows.

Speaker 3 This is in more in like the fashion space, but like, you know, I've been to a lot of fashion shows and they're all kind of the same, you know, and people walk out and they show their fashion.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I feel like you, when you think of a fashion show, I mean, you think of like sitting in rows, people standing in the back, a long runway, and models walking up and down.

Speaker 4 And then the designer comes out and is like, Thank you, and turns around and goes back.

Speaker 4 Well, Macy and Madeline are so creative and like a mind-boggling way that she is just, they're not those types of people. So last year, they did this really incredible.

Speaker 4 It was like a dinner, and all these people kind of sat around a table and they had the models kind of like come through and walk around the table.

Speaker 4 Well, then this year, they rented out this like three-story,

Speaker 2 incredible

Speaker 4 like event space. Apparently the woman who owns it like lives there.
It was just perfectly curated and like, what century was that?

Speaker 3 Wasn't it like a Victorian?

Speaker 4 I mean, her, her theme was like vintage Victorian era. So I don't know if the house was like technically Victorian, but maybe it was.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 3 It was, it was beautifully curated. Let me set the stage.
So like it was an experience. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like you walked into this house and then it would like, you know, because every fashion show has models, but like there were some like famous models there, which was, you know, kind of like, oh, wow, they're just so-and-so.

Speaker 3 And like, wow, oh, holy shit, you know. But anyway, so you had all these brides, all these models dressed as brides.
And basically, it looked like they brought a dollhouse to life.

Speaker 3 So you had all these brides in all of Sink's like various beautiful dresses that she's designed. And all the guests of the show basically walked in to this house, and there were different levels.

Speaker 3 And throughout the levels, all these, you know, brides/slash models are like role-playing and doing skits.

Speaker 3 So you basically were observing like these brides like living their life and it kind of brought these dresses to life. It was, it was really cool.

Speaker 3 Like it's just really, you had all these like brides being brides and like role-playing in their, in their gowns. It really was, it was such a cool experience.

Speaker 3 For, for someone who has a hard time appreciating these things sometimes, it was very cool.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think she called it like the sink.

Speaker 4 school for ladies or something. So it was like these brides, these models were also acting in a sense of what they were like, you know, playing around the room.

Speaker 4 They had one who was like the teacher, and she was teaching them to walk with like books on their heads.

Speaker 4 And there was like an art teacher teaching them how to paint, and they all were just kind of like floating around these rooms. And it was just really magical and really beautiful.

Speaker 4 And it was, yeah, it was really cool to be a part of that.

Speaker 2 And then we had a late dinner at an American bar, one of our favorites in New York.

Speaker 3 And it was so late that we were the only ones there. And it felt like I rented out the restaurant for my wife, but I did not.

Speaker 2 We were just by ourselves.

Speaker 3 ourselves there are like three other people there also i do have a bit of a gripe babe um

Speaker 4 oh we did fly coach for anyone asking absolutely well i did buy the tickets and so i was like well why would i put us in first class if like you don't ever want to put me in first class for sure yeah

Speaker 3 yeah but well it was a bit of a puddle jump flight and listen like if you're gonna like i don't sierra why do you fly first class what because the comfort be when i get to where i'm going i'm fully rested i'm relaxed

Speaker 2 legroom she also got our bag check for free. I got, I got a lot of free free.

Speaker 7 My mom had to pay $100 and she just did it for me.

Speaker 2 And I was like, thanks, guys.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah. So that's, yeah, but you usually aren't saving money flying first class, but like, there might be perks, but like, but to your point, yeah, I'm only flying first class for the legroom.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 Or for the, the, the lay flat for the five-hour flight. If I can take a nap and wake up, be well rested and good to go for the day.

Speaker 3 Listen, if there is a lay flat option and you are lucky enough to afford said option, flying first class is an incredible experience.

Speaker 3 You know, if you're if you're flying like from LA to New York, if you're lucky enough to experience that, I wasn't until I was 35. But if you are lucky enough, it's a it's a treat.

Speaker 3 But like, if you're flying three or four hours and the only difference is you get a shitty meal and some booze, I, you know, like, what's

Speaker 4 like $500,000 more. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's just like, just put me on Southwest and I'll pay 40 bucks to get on the flight first and sit in the front two two rows. Like, what's but you're shaking your head.

Speaker 6 I just, that couldn't, it couldn't be me, but that's the thing. Like, when I travel, I'm very particular about how I travel.

Speaker 6 So, and where I'm traveling and when I'm traveling, it'd be if I were like you guys being like on a whim, we're gonna go to New York.

Speaker 6 I'm like, okay, I'll take whatever I can get, but probably business.

Speaker 7 Nick also didn't know until recently that if you have a baby with you, you can like board early.

Speaker 2 In general, period or Southwest? Yeah, well, at least Southwest. I know that's a

Speaker 3 good idea. They like families.
They make you feel like they like families.

Speaker 6 I think you can pre-board with kids on Delta too. Yeah.
Yeah. Delta early.

Speaker 9 But I think it's the after early.

Speaker 4 It's after priority. It's after our veterans.
It's after first class. And it's after like

Speaker 3 sky priority on Delta and we're still group four.

Speaker 2 It's like people have children.

Speaker 4 Like you can, you can come in like right before zone eight, I guess.

Speaker 4 Planes half full, but sure. Let's come on down, kids.

Speaker 3 Anyway, Natalie, we, we, you know, we were, we were in and out.

Speaker 2 So we packed light.

Speaker 3 We took one bag. We shared a bag.
And Natalie packed my bag. You have this habit of like, when you pack for me, you didn't pack underwear or socks.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm not wearing underwear right now. We're home.
But I haven't had time to change. I had it.

Speaker 3 We got home.

Speaker 4 You definitely didn't have time to flush the toilet either.

Speaker 2 When? Well, when you got home. But I peed.

Speaker 2 Just to be clear, I only peed. I know.

Speaker 2 I only flush it.

Speaker 4 So yeah, you definitely did not have time to put on underwear because you didn't even have time to flush the toilet.

Speaker 3 Am I drinking enough water?

Speaker 2 Definitely not.

Speaker 2 I feel like it's your fault.

Speaker 2 Of course it is.

Speaker 4 Because I didn't pack the underwear. I didn't pack the socks.
And I'm not shoving water down his throat.

Speaker 3 Oh, the ladies are disrespectfully out here.

Speaker 2 Bring the money.

Speaker 3 I feel like this is very early for Katie.

Speaker 8 This is very early for me, too. I am not.
a morning person.

Speaker 3 Are you an afternoon person, a night person?

Speaker 8 Afternoon and night. Like, I'll get up for something important, but I don't like to be up before nine.

Speaker 9 That's usually that's where I throw it. Nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 Okay. Nine o'clock.
That's your sweet spot.

Speaker 8 Um, I would say I'm lying, and my sweet spot is probably more closer to ten.

Speaker 4 You wake up and you scroll.

Speaker 3 What time does it have to be for you to feel like you slept in and you're kind of like a little disappointed in yourself?

Speaker 8 If it's noon, that's crazy, but I have sleeping problems. So like if I slept well, I know parents never relate to that.
My niece, we were on the phone the other day.

Speaker 3 I haven't related to that ever

Speaker 2 since I was in high school.

Speaker 8 Well, when I had a corporate job, I had to, but I hated it. But here we are.
Good morning, guys.

Speaker 2 Morning. Good morning.

Speaker 3 Katie, how about you? What time do you have to wake up for you to feel a little disappointed in yourself?

Speaker 10 I don't know. I haven't figured it out yet.

Speaker 5 I've been playing around with waking up at different times. Like today, I got way too early, but I feel like 7.30 or 8 would be a good time to wake up.

Speaker 5 I don't want to talk to anyone before noon early.

Speaker 4 Are the dogs like jumping on your face? Like, take me out, take me out, take me out. Or are they kind of snoozing too?

Speaker 5 They're mostly with Tom, so I don't have them like every morning, but oh, no, they're loud and they're mean.

Speaker 10 And Gordo will come and like scratch your face and

Speaker 5 sneeze at you. He does the

Speaker 5 yeah, he swats at you. He like paws on you when he wants something.

Speaker 2 What a rude wake-up settlement.

Speaker 3 Well, we're excited to have you ladies with us today. We were just talking about our quick trip to New York, and that's why we were talking about wake-up times.

Speaker 8 Did you guys have River with you?

Speaker 3 No, we didn't invite her.

Speaker 4 We didn't invite her. Like, leave my wife.
She wasn't invited.

Speaker 8 Okay, so she stayed. She held things down.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she took care of the support.

Speaker 4 She took care of the dogs. She fed them.
Got it. Got it.

Speaker 2 Got it. Got it.
Yeah. She's really, did you sleep in?

Speaker 4 She woke up at noon and she felt like she slept in. You know what I'm saying? She's well.
She scrolled, though.

Speaker 2 She scrolled for a while.

Speaker 4 Yeah. She was on TikTok.

Speaker 8 She has a TikTok addiction like me. I get it.

Speaker 2 100%. She was a little TikTok class.

Speaker 3 Well, yesterday's episode, for anyone who hasn't listened to Allie Luber's episode on Going Deeper, is out now. And boy, it is a doozy.
I don't, did you ladies get a chance to

Speaker 3 hear some of her commentary on that episode?

Speaker 5 I saw a clip and then I read a transcript. I mean, it was a lot.

Speaker 9 So I was, I got the, the bulk of it mostly, but there was a lot of.

Speaker 3 I mean, the jaw-dropping moment for me was her, at least her Vanderpump phone call.

Speaker 5 I guess so, but also like,

Speaker 5 not surprising, you know, like it's, it is, no, it's, it is shocking because it's like, wow, like, she really said that, but also, like, I fully believe that.

Speaker 3 No, I fully believe it too. But, like, and I, I, I definitely see what you're saying, Katie.
Like, it's, it's shockingly not shocking, but, like,

Speaker 3 when you hear her tell that story, first, she's like, she got a call two months later. So it's like, you're not calling out of consideration, even though you're pretending to give a shit.

Speaker 3 Like, you clearly have a motive for your call. And to find out that motive was to first blame Allie as part of like.

Speaker 3 James's actions and making her feel like her drinking was part of the reason why James was drinking.

Speaker 3 And then try to convince her to get back together with the guy, given everything that's out there is just wild behavior.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, it's like when Tom and I were divorcing, like, she made me feel like I wasn't justified or valid in my reasons or anything like that.

Speaker 5 And then also, you know, kind of made it about her because she's like, I wrote those vows.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 5 You know, it's like the constantly wanting to be acknowledged for the generous things that she's done in life, but like often and unwavering.

Speaker 5 It's difficult because it's like that, no one's ungrateful, but like, Jesus.

Speaker 5 Has has Lisa ever thanked you or or the cast for like pouring your hearts out and like sharing your lives for her benefit I mean I feel like we see on the reunion you know she's been like these these guys give it their all but it's still like we should be just great it's you know it's like just always grateful for the opportunity more so than what we brought to it.

Speaker 5 That's the vibe I get. I'm not saying that's exactly what she said, but that's definitely the vibe I've always gotten.

Speaker 5 Since Ariana and I opened up something about her, I haven't heard a peep.

Speaker 9 That's crazy from Ariana.

Speaker 5 No, like, congrats, no, nothing. And I don't, I wasn't expecting it, and I didn't need it, but like, yeah.

Speaker 5 So, when she wanted to be upset, I still saw that she was upset that certain people didn't reach out when the show, the news of the show, came out.

Speaker 5 Um, I was like, I didn't hear from you either.

Speaker 5 I know that you were asking Alex Baskin what all of us were thinking and saying on our phone calls with him, but like, she didn't want to pick up the phone either.

Speaker 6 I'm re-watching Vanderpump right now for Plus.

Speaker 6 And I wonder, like, did you feel either like looking back that like she very much favors the men on the show and it seems like it was like even just like handing tom a bar when he couldn't do like a bar shift like it's despite like you've been working there consistently arianna was like a top bartender but it just seems like she very much like favors the men on the show and like the women are kind of like well either deal with them because they're adorable or like i don't deal with you I think there is that sort of favoritism that is given more freely and openly to the men.

Speaker 5 I mean, she was, there was times where I was very close with her and she was, you know, she would look out, she would call, she would check in. And same with Ariana.

Speaker 5 But it's like, I think the major divide that happened with everybody was like, you know, the post-scandal stuff.

Speaker 5 And she really just wanted to look out for him and just kind of disregarded how that would make other people feel.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 5 Or what that would, like, the message it would send to everybody else, too.

Speaker 3 After like hearing Allie's story and like, you realize just how close James and Lisa are.

Speaker 3 And it is, and it can't help make me wonder, you know, that that literally that night that James got arrested, again, I was talking with James at Kathy Hilton's party and congratulating him on all his success and seemingly looking like one of the few, you know, especially guys who really like found a groove post-show

Speaker 3 and in his DJ career. And now I really can't help but wonder, is it really because of James or has Lisa really been like pulling strings and calling in favors?

Speaker 3 I mean, if she's so willing to pick up the phone two months later and call his ex-girlfriend and try to make her feel bad and get her to get back together with James for the sake of helping his career.

Speaker 3 Like, what else has she been willing to do to make this guy happen that maybe he wouldn't otherwise make happen without Lisa's support?

Speaker 3 Because it really seems like it's almost like a mother-son, like we're like, it really doesn't matter what James does.

Speaker 3 She will always go out of her way to make excuses for him, have his back, and try to cover up for his mistakes and make sure he still has a career still works. Like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 What thoughts, Katie, Dana? What do you think?

Speaker 8 I mean, I don't know how much pull she has at like Tau Group in Vegas. So I don't know that she, you know, he was getting booked with DJ things and whatever.
I think that that played out on the show.

Speaker 8 So he was able to leverage it. But yeah, do I think that where she could help, she would, and that it's upsetting that.

Speaker 8 Especially in when we're talking about substance abuse issues, when someone makes it someone else's responsibility, responsibility, like you're a stabilizing factor. So you need to be there.

Speaker 8 You need to be in a relationship. That's a crazy take.
And I feel like we've seen that kind of play out. But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 I think, I think Lisa understands that she's had a lot of influence with fans and viewers of the show, even, you know, like on Housewives.

Speaker 5 So she was very well liked and popular in her takes and her opinions of people, like people, it mattered to people.

Speaker 5 And like they would kind of be like, well, if it's good enough for Lisa, it should be good for the rest of us.

Speaker 5 So, I think that kind of played into like a lot of the way people viewed certain other people on the show.

Speaker 5 And especially when it comes to James, she's like, If I can just go to bat for James, people will maybe think that I should as well, or you know, that they should.

Speaker 3 Or like, he's not that bad of a guy. If, like, if I support him, he can't be that bad.
He just must be misunderstood or like something like that.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 5 it gets to the point where it's like, okay, for sure, if when things are like a little bit in the gray, but with something like this, that's pretty cut and dry, that influence, you should read the room, I guess.

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 3 Well, check out the episode if you haven't already.

Speaker 2 It's a little heavy.

Speaker 3 But Allie is a gem of a human, and we're really glad that she, more than anything, is out of that relationship and really seems to be seeing things clearly.

Speaker 3 And we're rooting for her success and happy that she is definitely out of that relationship.

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Speaker 3 Another thing I wanted to talk with you ladies about is some of the feuds going on in Bachelor Nation.

Speaker 3 I don't know if it's a feud that's still going on, but Rachel Lindsay is shedding more light about her divorce and feelings about her ex-husband, Brian, which I'm totally team Rachel for.

Speaker 3 And then there's other commentary in Bachelor Nation about some people having problems, you know, like it's like

Speaker 3 who should pay for what in relationships seems to be like a discussion point. Have you followed Rachel Lindsay's break divorce at all?

Speaker 5 I haven't because I mean, that was a while ago, right?

Speaker 9 I love Rachel.

Speaker 5 I think she's smart and like i think she's great but i don't i don't know the well she's the t

Speaker 3 i mean well the t is like he got like awarded like a half a million dollars or some shit i don't know oh that's like to me honestly it feels like he stole money from rachel like what did he do like he did nothing but have the opportunity to be in a relationship with rachel like he had to move he moved like the guy who went on tv got to move to Hollywood and apparently that cost rachel a half a million dollars i thought he was like a a doctor or something.

Speaker 9 He's like a kid.

Speaker 2 No, he was a chiropractor.

Speaker 3 But yeah, but like, you know, like while married, which I have to do.

Speaker 2 So you have to move to Beverly Hill for a moment.

Speaker 4 I can only guess that this probably only elevated his practice and people wanted to

Speaker 4 get cracked by Rachel.

Speaker 2 He was given a literal lottery ticket.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, when you go on reality TV, I look at it as essentially a lottery ticket. It's a lottery ticket with really good odds, right?

Speaker 3 Like it's not a guarantee of fame and money, but what it is is a guarantee of access. Like it puts puts you in so many rooms you don't otherwise get to go in.
It gets you in meetings.

Speaker 3 It just gives you so much opportunity. And from that point, it's kind of up to you to make sure that lottery ticket cashes.
And some people get to do it and some people don't.

Speaker 3 Like, and Brian basically got it done by basically marrying Rachel and then divorcing her and like stealing her money.

Speaker 8 Wait, how long were they married for?

Speaker 2 A while.

Speaker 3 Like, they're in a relationship. And I get it, like, divorce laws or whatever, but like, when you look at the details, it's just like, it just seems wrong.

Speaker 6 Just seems to be like, they got married in 2019.

Speaker 2 Four years. Okay.

Speaker 3 No kids, no shared responsibilities. Just she was just more successful than him.
Wow. And apparently that cost her.

Speaker 6 But not only like more successful, she said that in my situation, my ex did not move three times for me. I want to say this one time.
My ex did not move three times for me.

Speaker 6 We moved to Dallas because he quit his job as soon as he won the show and I did not. So that was the only option because I was still employed.

Speaker 6 They later moved to Miami and she said leaving behind her legal job in Dallas for no job in Miami. Nobody considers that.

Speaker 6 So he never was like fully practicing throughout their relationship or throughout their marriage. So she was literally the sole breadwinner and the supporter.

Speaker 6 And now she has to pay him $500,000 for what?

Speaker 2 Crazy.

Speaker 2 Bonkers. It's ew.

Speaker 6 Right? For spousal support.

Speaker 4 It's only okay for women.

Speaker 2 People are nuts.

Speaker 5 I don't know. I got divorced.
Me and Tom were just like, I don't want anything of your, like, you have yours. I'll have mine.

Speaker 5 It just, we were, I mean, we were pretty equal in things, but like still, like, just, I don't know, like, if it feels yucky to do that, if you have kids, I guess that's one thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, obviously, it just helps to get it.

Speaker 3 It makes sense that like, there's other factors at play and people to take care about when it's just two individuals, two working professionals who decided to get married and like have a union about their love.

Speaker 3 Like, why does someone get to financially benefit?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 6 And what's even like grosser about it is the fact that like once he got that settlement, she was ordered to pay the first half within 10 days of the filing.

Speaker 6 And then she has until january 7th 2026 to pay the remaining half so she owes him like five hundred thousand dollars like straight up essentially where it's like for what but we also have clayton and gabby kind of going oh my god which i guess

Speaker 9 she she went after him

Speaker 4 saying he looks like a toe and his dancing videos will make you run and he responded by calling her a bully and right am i recapping this right sierra he said he was being bullied that he's being bullied by gabby okay she responded with like you literally outed my sexual activities on national television for millions of people to hear without my consent it's like

Speaker 4 and then he responds by

Speaker 4 posting their dms he's posting dms he posts their dms from 2022 and 2023 where he's like It's basically him just being like, you are coming after someone who has like over and over again apologized for their actions.

Speaker 4 And like, so you're just doing this to be vengeful. But, like, the posting of the text.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he could have just said that without posting it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 He's like such a little.

Speaker 5 And his, I'm sorry, his dancing videos are the cringiest things I've ever seen. So he should be put on blast for that.

Speaker 2 Don't do that.

Speaker 3 This man has had maybe the worst experience on reality TV, period. Like, I have some empathy for Clayton.
I mean, are you familiar with his story at all?

Speaker 4 No. The guy hasn't had one W yet.

Speaker 3 Not one.

Speaker 5 Maybe you have to start being like, what's the common denominator? Him.

Speaker 3 Some of it is truly bad luck.

Speaker 2 Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 Get what's the worst.

Speaker 3 Well, one,

Speaker 3 he answered a DM from a random person for a late-night hookup, which, you know, definitely you can criticize a little sloppiness, but he's not the first person out there who got a little horny at night and said yes to an experience.

Speaker 3 And that turned turned into at least a year or two of her claiming she was pregnant with her. Pregnant with his twins or something.
And it became like this national story.

Speaker 3 And it ended up being all false.

Speaker 3 And then this followed what first happened post-Bachelor is some, you know, following a season, he's still together with Susie at this point.

Speaker 3 Some girl online posted TikTok that went ultra viral, like got 40 million, I don't know, millions and millions and millions of views of her her claiming that she had a one-night stand with Clayton, the bachelor.

Speaker 3 Like last night. Like last night.
She's like, I just hooked up with this guy and like swore by it. Turns out they weren't even, he wasn't even that state.
Like it wasn't him.

Speaker 3 It was just like, she just, I don't know, I don't know if the guy lied or thought he looked like her or whatever. Like just a, he had literally nothing to do with that.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, she had a posted like apology video. That like that got like a million views to the 40 million views or something like that.

Speaker 2 That's just, that's, that's just bad luck.

Speaker 5 Okay, that is bad luck, but him answering the DM, engaging in this activity with like that is fully on him.

Speaker 3 That's fully on him because he had a one-night stand with someone and they didn't even have sex.

Speaker 2 That's crazy.

Speaker 5 There's crazy people out there.

Speaker 2 They don't know him.

Speaker 5 You got to remember if you got something to lose because there are people that are going to chase you to the end of the world for clouds.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying that. Wait, they didn't even have sex?

Speaker 8 Then how could she say that she was pregnant?

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 7 Allegedly, it traveled down and

Speaker 4 on the toilet seat.

Speaker 3 And it was a crazy story, but like she,

Speaker 3 this person apparently had a history of

Speaker 4 she was showing him like ultra sounds that were all fake. And like she, she was going the extra mile to like prove it to him.

Speaker 8 I think this is a failure of the public school system, if anything, because he didn't know that you have to actually be penetrating for there to be population.

Speaker 2 He

Speaker 3 thought there's no way it's mine, but like if you're a guy and you hook up with someone and they give you oral sex and you climax,

Speaker 3 and then that person claims they're pregnant.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're probably going to think there's no way that's true. But then this person sends you an ultrasound and sends you a doctor's bill, a pregnancy, a positive pregnancy test.

Speaker 3 You know, you start getting in your head. And he did.
And he fought it.

Speaker 8 Was she actually, did she have a baby? Was she actually pregnant?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 It was all bullshit. Oh, so

Speaker 8 all of it.

Speaker 2 It wasn't even pregnant by someone else.

Speaker 3 It took over a year to prove.

Speaker 3 This was a nightmare scenario for him.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 5 It is fucked up.

Speaker 3 But, you know, that's why you got to be and on top of it, like when that story came out, it got press. And then when he finally like vindicated himself, it got a lot less press.

Speaker 3 Like, truly, this man has been the unluckiest person in reality TV. And like, I know he's an easy target and I get his dance videos or whatever, but like, I, you know, this man deserves some empathy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but I'm also kind of like Gabby's having her moment.

Speaker 6 Those like clips are recirculating from The Bachelor. She's being asked about it, so she's commenting on it.

Speaker 6 I'm like, she could have said way worse things than like, he looks like a toe and that his dance videos are cringe.

Speaker 8 And was it maybe rude? Maybe.

Speaker 7 Was it maybe true?

Speaker 9 Did he need to respond to it?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 Is it impossible to think that maybe like

Speaker 3 she could just say like, my bad? I'm sorry your feelings were hurt.

Speaker 2 But also grow up.

Speaker 5 Like, why do men always need to be coddled and held handheld through life? Have empathy for them.

Speaker 5 He's a white man. He's going to be okay.
A straight white man is going to be just fine.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 5 I'm just saying, like, listen.

Speaker 9 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 You got Tom Sandoval back on your couch crying. Like, who cares?

Speaker 2 No one asks for that.

Speaker 2 A lot of people ask for it, actually.

Speaker 9 Okay, I know. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 To Katie's point,

Speaker 7 it is giving Saxon from White Lotus.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It totally is.

Speaker 7 When do you cross the line of just growing up yourself?

Speaker 5 Just grow up.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Just because he is a man and is white. I don't think it's like.

Speaker 5 This isn't Missandri. This is facts.

Speaker 5 this is the fucking patriarchy's been like this for years so that the straight white men win even if they have bad luck he's still gonna win so no matter what gabby talks about

Speaker 3 no matter the situation or the story there is no empathy whatsoever and then and he and we're always just not gonna take that side i feel like personally gabby could have maybe not i mean like she is moved on she is married to a woman and like that was how many years ago it's like if she is asked about it i feel like she didn't have to go so low you know i feel like they're they she had her her time after the show where she like was able to put him on blast and it has been four years i mean this is a man who who legitimately has like had some incredibly dark thoughts and has had you know has it's has been really down bad in some very serious ways and while other people are basking in their fame and success and money like tearing other people down and and like just living the best possible life he is out there like trying to make a real estate job work and just trying to find meaning in life and trying to find happiness with his silly dance videos.

Speaker 3 And I'm just saying, like,

Speaker 3 you know.

Speaker 5 And he's doing just that.

Speaker 5 No one's taking that from him. He can do whatever he wants.

Speaker 10 No, what do you talk about?

Speaker 3 You were literally said he deserves to be criticized for his dance videos.

Speaker 10 Well, yeah, you're going to put that on the internet.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying they deserve.

Speaker 5 I'm just saying they are cringe. Yeah, let's say that's the same thing.

Speaker 2 I can't have an opinion. Of course, they're cringe cringe.

Speaker 3 Yes, his videos are, you know, but I'm just saying, like, I don't think, like, I don't think the response to Clayton Eckhart is always needs to be fuck that guy because of something that happened a couple years ago.

Speaker 3 And oh, yeah, by the way, he's a dude, so extra fuck him. And like, no matter what is said about him or what is done, I don't think he like is an eternal punching bag for people.

Speaker 5 Well, no, I'm not saying that he should be.

Speaker 2 I'm just, but I'm just saying, like, he's that is, that is the discourse around Clayton, to be honest.

Speaker 5 Like, that's, it's really, it's really fucked up that, that that happened, but be a little more cautious of like who you

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I don't listen. I'm someone that I keep my circle extremely small because I don't want to have to cross paths with somebody who's

Speaker 2 like that.

Speaker 3 Listen, yeah. I mean, I've literally have had conversations with Clayton about making smarter and better decisions.
He's had to learn in the hardest possible way.

Speaker 5 Right. Yeah.
So it's, I don't know. It's like I can have empathy for somebody who made stupid choice, but it's like, I can't, I don't know.

Speaker 4 Well, switching gears a little bit, we do have Shantae and Breon from Temptation Island who did finally announce their breakup.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 6 Didn't see that coming.

Speaker 5 No, not at all.

Speaker 5 The threesome thing didn't do it.

Speaker 3 Did you ladies watch Temptation Island?

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. I watched Temptation Island.
I loved it.

Speaker 2 I ate it up. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I'm bad with the names.

Speaker 2 Which ones are because

Speaker 8 the one couple that made it at the end, what were their names?

Speaker 6 Alexa and Leno.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Alexa and Leno.

Speaker 8 You're not talking about them. No.

Speaker 5 Shantae and Brian did leave together. They did leave together.
And he had had like a threesome.

Speaker 4 She cried the whole time.

Speaker 5 It was so sad.

Speaker 6 I felt so bad.

Speaker 3 You heard the subtitles, rhythmic slapping

Speaker 2 with the shower running.

Speaker 8 The way that that makes my skin crawl, I don't usually watch shows like that just because my threshold is so, I have to like fast forward because I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

Speaker 8 That was, those were upsetting subtitles. That was, that was hard to watch.
And then watching him get so emotional about his choices after when it was like, well, you did that. That's fine.

Speaker 8 Go have a threesome, but don't be upset when your partner's upset about this.

Speaker 5 But I got it out of my system. So let's just, let's just get married.

Speaker 9 Insane. Insane.

Speaker 3 Do we think this is a legitimate breakup? Because what was her statement?

Speaker 6 Her statement says, after much thought and reflection, Brianne and I have decided to part ways for now.

Speaker 6 There's no bad blood, just two people recognizing that we need time and space to process this journey.

Speaker 6 I have so much I want to share with you all, and I hope you'll continue to support and encourage me as I step into this next chapter.

Speaker 6 I wish Brianne nothing but the best, but I hope we're both able to grow from this experience. As I move forward, I'm excited to share more of myself with you all.
Let's keep pushing forward together.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, it's interesting. I mean, I would love to, I would love to find out more.
You know, when we did their reunion, we were going to have Shantae on.

Speaker 3 I'm curious, like, it does seem to be circled around maybe fan feedback or people's opinions about her choice to stay with him. Or certainly must have had some pressure.

Speaker 3 I mean, it would seem like a huge coincidence that something else caused this breakup around this time. I don't know.

Speaker 4 He had another threesome.

Speaker 3 Yes, of course.

Speaker 8 Yeah, there was more rhythmic slapping happening for sure.

Speaker 6 That one happened in the real world though, because this was just Temptation Island. That one didn't count.

Speaker 2 It was different. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What was crazy is that she said that, like, she couldn't hear the rhythmic slapping when she watched it at the bonfire, and there obviously wasn't subtitles. And so she was like, I didn't know

Speaker 4 that that's what was playing until she like watched it back, which is rough.

Speaker 6 She just thought they were talking in the bathroom and like coming out with no pants on.

Speaker 2 Awful. Awful.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think that there was still pretty good audio.

Speaker 6 So maybe she just was from that moment rhythmic slapping. He opens the door and she, the girl's butt on the side.

Speaker 8 And also, it's daytime. So that was, even though, I mean, I guess it might be different when you're at the bonfire, you're in the middle of it.

Speaker 8 But even before they walked out and they're like, oh, it's daytime. I noticed.

Speaker 8 I was like, wow, that was maybe the longest threesome that's ever happened in the history of the world because it seemed like it started at night.

Speaker 2 So birds were tirping. Yeah.

Speaker 6 But I'm excited to see what Shantae is gonna do next i think the discourse online is kind of like is she actually breaking up with him or is this kind of uh seeing the other girls doing social media and thriving and whatnot like that the audience will support her for leaving him but like is she actually leaving him or is it for the opportunities i don't know i just i just feel she's just i feel so bad for her like that that experience is so rough just the difference in their their experiences too like she's like crying he's just like getting on

Speaker 5 yeah no he gave zero fucks i wonder like yeah if they sat down and watched the whole thing together no he gave yeah so it's just i don't know i mean i think i think it's like she's she's obviously like very like sensitive to like a lot of um public opinions and things so i don't know if that's the best place for her yeah it's not i know it's definitely not for everybody and i just think maybe i mean from looking at her page it looks like there might be some like influencing in her future oh okay why do you say that i'm like by all means just like photo shoots and things like that where i'm just like okay Like, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't remember what her occupation was or she's a Pilates instructor.

Speaker 3 I mean, like, like I told, like I told Taylor when we, you know, they all went on TV. You know what I'm saying? Like, this.

Speaker 6 Yeah. That's why take advantage of the opportunities as they come, you know?

Speaker 2 Especially after that.

Speaker 3 I always find it funny when neither other cast members or fans be like, you know what? I think she wants to be an influencer. It's like, no fucking shit.
Like she went on TV.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think, but everyone, even like when it comes to TV, people can look and be like, wow, that's like a really good opportunity.

Speaker 5 I'd love to do that until you're doing it and you're like oh no this is like hard yeah i think of course everybody would want to do it if they could but it's just it's not as easy as it looks okay i'm sure when she signed up for the show she wasn't like my partner's gonna have a threesome right yeah also like leaving it with like what did she gain from that experience like maybe she learned something about herself

Speaker 4 i would hope but like you didn't get stronger or closer with your partner.

Speaker 4 You had to watch him have a threesome. And then y'all clearly.

Speaker 8 I think that's what she gained in and of itself.

Speaker 8 She didn't marry this person in five years down the road. Find out, you know what I mean? That is true.

Speaker 2 I think that rooting for her. She gained her life.

Speaker 3 I want to hear whatever phone call she had with whatever family member or friend who was like, girl, rhythmic slapping.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 3 I want to hear what that phone call was like with that, whoever that person in her life is, that's kind of like the friend who like is like giving her some honest feedback.

Speaker 3 I want to know what was said. Like, I really want to to hear that phone call because someone must have said something.

Speaker 2 They had to. Oh my God.
Oh my God.

Speaker 8 Everyone that she, I'm sure that she was close with was like, what are you going to do? You're going to stick this out and then show your kids one day.

Speaker 8 See, this is where daddy goes in the bathroom here and like, no, this is a good word. Lay that relationship down.

Speaker 9 Or like your parents or like family seeing that and trying to justify it.

Speaker 6 Yeah. It was the experience.

Speaker 4 I can't wait for River to watch all of Nick's shows back.

Speaker 2 Daddy, that's not you. I can't wait.
I'm very excited.

Speaker 4 Did y'all watch Beverly Hills Housewives Part 2 reunion?

Speaker 8 I know. I've only watched the first one.

Speaker 3 Oh, well, the second one, I was really into the second one. Really, really good.
Like Jennifer Tilley came on and obviously it gave a little background about her, her story, her wealth, her money.

Speaker 3 And it made me think just like, it's like as a fan, I'm grateful that Jennifer Tilly is one of the rich ones in that group.

Speaker 3 And it really made me grateful that, honestly, that Darit isn't, because I feel like some people act differently when they have money than others, you know, and Jennifer just seems like a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 3 She still seems like a delightful queen. Yeah, you know, she buys some crazy shit.
I don't know how generous she is or isn't with her money, but like she just, she is nice. Yeah.
She seems nice.

Speaker 3 I don't know. And like, man, I, as a fan, as a fan, as a viewer, Darit, savage.
I mean, you know, everyone's saying, I didn't watch the first Doreet season of Beverly Hills.

Speaker 3 And everyone's saying, like, this is the Doreet from like season one.

Speaker 3 And she cuts deep. She knows how to, she knows how to trigger people.
She, she hits where it hurts.

Speaker 3 And I'm kind of glad that she is like not rolling in the dough because I feel like she would be an absolute monster if she had unlimited wealth like Jennifer Tilley.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I also feel like sometimes Dorit, if she would just like stop, like if she would just say her point and then stop talking, it would go over well. But I feel like she always adds so much like flair.

Speaker 2 It's all

Speaker 4 you get lost.

Speaker 3 Oh, when she was like, There she is. Like, what else?

Speaker 8 I saw clips like you live on the main road. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, which was like a like an insane

Speaker 4 line. And then she's like, she keeps going being like, and my life is full of love.
Like, meanwhile, you're going through a divorce. And she's like, I just have so much love surrounding me.

Speaker 4 And like, that's what I would rather have over my, it's like, just stay with your statement of you live on a main road.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was a, like, I was like, that was a mic drop. Drop the mic and stop talking.
She has so much love in her relationship that PK dropped an absolute heater on Instagram last night.

Speaker 3 You haven't seen this?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 Justin?

Speaker 7 Right after the reunion part two, he just posted on his Instagram story a picture of him either exiting a door or walking in.

Speaker 7 And it says, it's better to admit you walked through the wrong door than to spend your life in the wrong room. What room is he talking about? I'm assuming with Dari.

Speaker 2 To read.

Speaker 4 But I cannot do these things.

Speaker 8 Yeah, obviously, I mean, I was kind of surprised by her feedback in the season when she, he was asked, like, well, he's a good father.

Speaker 8 And she said no, because his statement in the first one, like, I think that that's a really hard line as a parent.

Speaker 8 If you're going to say on national television where your children will have access to that no, even if that's, that's how you feel, that's a really bold thing I think to put out there. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 So I guess I understand why he's like, fuck you. But I mean, I feel, I feel for Dore right now.

Speaker 2 I think that her, how she's acting is a reflection of her turmoil in her life right now.

Speaker 8 Not like that's right or wrong, just saying it seems like she's going through it.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, I'm such a fan of Doreet, like as a housewife. Like, I find her to be one of the most entertaining ones.
She seems like she has a real mean side to her. Like, if you really fuck with her.

Speaker 8 And I mean, I just think it's hard to say the main road thing when you live in Encino. And now what's going on? Is there a foreclosure actually happening? It seems like that.

Speaker 7 She addressed it. She was like, Piquet, like, wasn't paying his payments because he wanted to confirm it was going through, like, the right process.

Speaker 8 And then well, she addressed it with word salad.

Speaker 2 I saw that.

Speaker 8 That kind of to me sounds like some mental gymnastics and you're being lied to, or you're as blind as you want to be. I mean, I'm not a house person.

Speaker 8 I'm not a contractor or mortgage person, but I, it just didn't sound right to me.

Speaker 6 No, you were 100% correct because it was also like, no, this is what happened. This is the turmoil.

Speaker 5 This is the turmoil, but don't worry, PK got it handled.

Speaker 6 And it's just like, but how?

Speaker 4 Cause that sounded like-cause someone called him finally.

Speaker 8 Like, what do you mean? If I would be all over that if someone, if my house was possibly going to be in foreclosure, it's not just how you don't do business.

Speaker 8 I think it was Bose who was like, that's how you lose a house.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 7 Even her main road comment, Andy was like, so she lives off a main road in Bel Air. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, that was your point?

Speaker 6 One of the most exclusive

Speaker 6 areas. I think.

Speaker 9 And wait, she said that to Sutton, right?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Sutton has money.
She has quite the alimony little setup. So like, what?

Speaker 3 Yeah, 300. Like, what is it? 300K a month post-taxes.

Speaker 2 A month.

Speaker 5 After, after taxes.

Speaker 2 After taxes.

Speaker 8 After taxes. So I'm like, I think she's fine.

Speaker 7 It's because of Darit's just trying to poke at Sutton. Like, in the second part, you'll see it.
She does, like, she keeps throwing jabs, and then she's like, This isn't the real Sutton that I know.

Speaker 7 And then finally, Sutton kind of entertains it, and she goes, She's coming.

Speaker 7 Like, says it into the mic, and it's like,

Speaker 2 You're right, Dana, though.

Speaker 3 I mean, also, like, PK does kind of sound like a bad father. I mean, if he's only seeing his kids on Saturday nights, like when he's in town, when he's in town,

Speaker 3 that is a choice, but to your point, Dana, like, that is a nuclear statement to say about any parent, you know, and like short of them being in prison for maybe like harming your children, like to have your partner or ex-partner say that publicly to other people is, it's, that's going nuclear.

Speaker 3 That's, that's like, there's no going back from that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's an unforgivable statement to say that to someone, even if most people actually think that.

Speaker 3 Like, to say that and then still like act as if, like, she said that in the same episode while also claiming that PK was her heart and soul, which was like,

Speaker 2 I didn't really understand.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, and also, I mean, my stomach dropped when that happened, but I also just don't think it's conducive to controlling emotions then after something like that is out there from the partner that you say that about.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 it's just such an escalating thing to say that it's like,

Speaker 8 you know, when she's like, I don't want to stay in it at least how it is right now. Well, it's like, well, yeah, I can't imagine it's great right now.

Speaker 8 And I'm not blaming because maybe he's doing things to her or whatever, but that is separate from the the kids and who he is as a dad. And I'm also, Nick, I agree.

Speaker 8 I don't think she's maybe wrong, but like, you put that out there for public consumption. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Like, that's, that's a definitive statement.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And that's what's so, it's, and I, I think to sum up what we're saying about Darit is that she says things that cut so fucking deep.

Speaker 3 And it's like, I don't think she's saying it with the intention of like ruining a relationship. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like she has this like ability to just throw something to someone that like may never be okay to come back from but she is like using it as like on a in a casual fight it just seems kind of crazy i'm very i'm very invested like in this the the garcelle exit because like the more we hear about it yeah it really seems like there's some very deep hurt feelings and the fact that garcel's not being messy about it makes me feel like she has some really justifiable reasons to feel however she does.

Speaker 3 Like it's the opposite of like Kenya Moore, who's like just like running her. Are you following the Atlanta housewives?

Speaker 8 We actually, today, our episode with Humble Brag came out and we talked with Cynthia about it.

Speaker 2 Oh, about, yeah, what was what happened with Kenya.

Speaker 3 No, she's like close with Kenya. We had her on briefly in the beginning of the season.
Like, how is Cynthia, how much is she backing Kenya at all, if, if any?

Speaker 5 I don't think she backs that. I think it's, it's, she's not

Speaker 5 condemning her as a friend, but she does not support those actions. And she's like, I said something to her at that event.

Speaker 8 I think she's being a good friend in that she's holding her accountable. And she's saying, I love you.
Our friendship is something very different from this behavior. This behavior wasn't okay.

Speaker 8 I said it to you in the moment. I'm, you know, it sounds like they haven't really talked since.
And she's saying, like, I'm here. Our friendship is here when you're ready.

Speaker 8 But yeah, I, I can't back that what you did.

Speaker 4 Which is honestly a great friend of Cynthia.

Speaker 8 A great friend. That's what, yeah, that's what he said.
It was like, that's, that's being a good friend to her.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I mean, you know, you know, when your friends really do something bad, you don't have to, you, you you stand by them and like hold them accountable as opposed to alienating them but nevertheless i am i am a bit shocked and maybe this is like bravo nation in general like trying to almost justify her action certainly kenya is is trying to justify it like i think she literally said in a statement that if like kim k's video that launched her career, so to speak, it's out there, it's public.

Speaker 3 I guess anyone, I don't know, maybe you can still find it. I don't know maybe, maybe Chris made that less possible, but she just is like, well, anyone can download it or anyone can Google it.

Speaker 3 So it's like fair game. It's like, wait, you, you still used your event to print out poster board size images of this girl in sexual acts around her peers.
And so, yeah, like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 That's like, if we've ever made a mistake, that would be like.

Speaker 3 That would be like Katie, if Katie pisses someone off, a friend, and this would be like 10 times less worse, but like brought out like one moment from Vanderpump season three or something at an event and put it on a poster board and like said like she did this and she did that and like and this is

Speaker 3 this is pornographic material even if Brit wanted to whatever Brit wanted to do she had the right to do it and have it weaponized against her at this event and the fact that Kenya is trying to like stand on this and justify it because anyone can google it is insane to me.

Speaker 5 No, that is that is actual crazy work.

Speaker 8 Well, but but right before you said that, I was going to bring up it's, it's a different thing. When you do a reality show, you sign the papers, your clothes are on.
Okay.

Speaker 8 So yeah, people can pull from that, but it's a very different thing to be in an intimate act, particularly if you didn't put that out there, you know, wanting to make money off it or whatever, or be a content creator to then grab that and say, well, it's out there.

Speaker 8 Okay, but it's out there, but it's not out there in the same way as. doing a reality show or an old Instagram post where you overfiltered your face or whatever.

Speaker 8 Like that is, she knew exactly what she was doing. It was super dark and is gross.

Speaker 4 Like, it's not like Britt posted that on her own and then was like, oh, I took it. That's what I'm saying, Dana.
Like, yeah, I took it from her Instagram.

Speaker 4 It's like, do you think Britt wanted that out in the first place?

Speaker 3 Well, if an OnlyFans model someday decides to not want to do OnlyFans again and 10 or 15 years go by, and she settles down, gets married, and have kids, and then makes friends with a group of girls, like it would be completely fucked up if one of those women tried to slut shame her and her group of friends by like downloading that content and like doing.

Speaker 3 I mean, like, and the fact that King is like now like going after Andy and going after Bravo and like, I don't know, when it comes to that, I just feel like the networks, sure, they're networks, they're trying to make money, they're making TV shows.

Speaker 3 Like, I think they're just such an easy target for a bunch of people who like truly wanted to reap all the benefits from the fame and attention and platform that these networks give them.

Speaker 8 It's just so lowbrow

Speaker 2 of her.

Speaker 8 And to even be trying to back it up still or by placing blame on others.

Speaker 8 I don't know if you do something that egregious, not even your friends holding you accountable, you holding yourself accountable.

Speaker 8 Like she didn't watch that back and go, ooh, that was such a bad choice I made.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 3 Before we let you ladies go, I just want to wrap talking a little White Lotus.

Speaker 3 Mike White, the creator, director, producer of White Lotus, went on Howard Stern and just talked about, I thought it was really fascinating because like Mike was talking about how like before White Lotus became super famous, he was more like an indie writer and like felt like like he got support from like people just trying to like lift him up and now that his show is like this big awesome show and now that we're in season three and i kind of said as much last last episode once a show gets popular like people just decide that it's like fair game to be like asshole critics and just like nitpick you know all these scenes apart and we went from a show that we were like wow this is really fun and culturally relevant and like this is you know to you know we're in the middle of season three and people like discussing like if this scene made sense if it tied in with this scene and if this character should be doing this and it's like jesus christ people like they act like the amount of people who have notes for mike white on on his writing and directing and producing who like can't even get a fucking general meeting or like any type of script is like beyond me and it's just i love that he's fighting back i love that he's a little sassy and i love that he's called he called that the composer guy he was in a feud with he was basically like good luck getting work going forward uh because like this composer guy decided to like pick a fight in the press.

Speaker 3 Like Mike didn't even know about it. He like did an interview with the New York Times and started talking about his quote-unquote feud with Mike White.

Speaker 3 And like they basically went back and forth on some emails about some creative differences. And according to this producer, it was like feuding with Mike White.

Speaker 3 And it's just like so transparent to me. The amount of people who are just trying to use his name to elevate themselves all while talking shit is wild to me.
Anyways, I'm just like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 I loved the show. I thought season three was fantastic.
And if it was just, you know, the fact that people just want to be fucking critics for the sake of it.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah. And I think a show like that, you do watch and you critique it, not more in like the sense of like whether it was a good scene or not, but like, because they're looking for clues.

Speaker 5 They want to, you know, so they're watching it with a very different lens on it. But people are talking about it being like a bad season or boring or something like that.

Speaker 5 And he's Mike Weiss says something about the edging. He's like, I'm edging you.
He's like, if you don't like it, get out of my bed.

Speaker 2 That was so funny.

Speaker 3 But he talked about how it kind of hurt his feelings and it made me like feel for him where he's just like curious. this guy, people are just shitting on his work.

Speaker 3 Uh, meanwhile, they're breaking records, we're all watching it, everyone's talking about it this week, and it's just like, okay, yeah, yeah, like give Mike

Speaker 5 for sure in every industry, people, fans, whatever, they'll build you up just to break you down. So true, like, you see it happen over and over and over again.
So it's like, it's bummed.

Speaker 4 It's like we want, yeah, we want people to get famous just to like find something from their past or present to like cancel them with, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 From the cast, the characters on White Lotus, who are your true villains of this season? Like for me, it's the

Speaker 3 therapist who turned down Rick. Villain number one.
One in one of them.

Speaker 2 True, true, true, true.

Speaker 3 Rick's dad. Honestly, dude, you deserve to die for like talking about yourself in the third person so cryptically.
It's like just.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 He could have told him at breakfast.

Speaker 3 It's like, hey, yeah, I'm your asshole dad. Sorry.
You know, like, your mom sucked, but like,

Speaker 8 it shows that and it's like the end.

Speaker 2 That's could have been the whole thing.

Speaker 8 Just like I'm your dad, bye.

Speaker 9 You know, who's a bit of a villain?

Speaker 5 I just, I didn't appreciate her throughout it, too. It was Mook.

Speaker 5 I was like, what?

Speaker 2 She gaslit guy talk.

Speaker 5 Guy talk is doing the best he can. Like, this is, this is morally against him to like try to be this, like, badass guy that's going to like carry a gun and all that.

Speaker 5 Like, but he's doing it all in the name of love. And she's just, she's dangling it like a care in front of him.

Speaker 10 I'm like, you're.

Speaker 4 And what was her excuse why she couldn't like go on a date with him? Sorry, my mom's back hurts. I have to like help her around the house.
That was the most like I have to watch paint dry response.

Speaker 4 I have to wash my hair.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 You don't tell people your mom's back hurts. I do.
I'm like, yeah, that's why I can't go out with you. I can't remember his name, but the dad of the family.
Timothy.

Speaker 8 Whoever Patrick Swarchenazier's dad.

Speaker 2 Where I live. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Sorry, you're the villain. You were going to kill your whole family and then leave the youngest one.
Imagine waking up and you're entirely, you're the youngest. You're a kid.
You're 20, whatever.

Speaker 8 Oh, I don't care. You're a villain.

Speaker 3 That doesn't make it okay to murder your whole family and you're like murder suicide i'm like that was so i i could not and also i'm not one of victim blame but yeah the leftover piña colada from last night you're making a protein shake with that is one of the crazier things i did hear his excuse and his excuse was his brother like he thought his brother saxton like made a protein shake like moments earlier so he just thought this was like leftover protein

Speaker 3 from the protein shake. And I was like, you know what?

Speaker 4 But no, it's fucked up that the dad didn't like, oh my God, I have to get this suicide poison seeds out of this blender. Like, I have to get it out of this house.

Speaker 3 It's drugged up on

Speaker 3 Leprazzapan. What is it called?

Speaker 2 Laz Leprain. La Razepan.
Scrilly. La Razzepan.
La Razepan.

Speaker 5 Where's my La Razzapan?

Speaker 2 Piper now. That viral, like, now that

Speaker 3 there's like this viral song going on of all the, all the comments from.

Speaker 5 But finding the stuff that was cut, I was like, I would have really liked to see that because I wanted more like of Piper and like her story.

Speaker 5 Cause like when she comes back and she's like, I'm just not going to stay. Like, this isn't for me.
And I'm like, what else happened?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Well, and she bones, what's

Speaker 4 Natasha Rothwell's son? Yeah.

Speaker 8 And that got cut. And I was like, we would have liked to see that.

Speaker 2 I would have liked to see that. Because I'm a perfect.

Speaker 6 Wouldn't that be kind of random, though? Because they didn't interact with each other the whole season.

Speaker 8 Well, I think he said that it was going to be they locked eyes from across the restaurant and she was like, I just need to pick someone. So I need to lose my virginity.

Speaker 2 It makes sense. I love it.

Speaker 6 Become a monk, lose my virginity.

Speaker 4 I was seeing people saying that as soon as other people were interested in doing what piper wanted to do like laughlin being like oh i think i'll stay too she was like this i don't want to do this anymore like if i'm not the only one like i'm not i don't want to do it it's no longer cool or like yeah you know um i feel like my villain was definitely um valentin's friend the one who had sex with lori carrie coon's like do you have paypal

Speaker 2 pay for calls and flaps her as she's jumping out the window

Speaker 5 That was nuts. That was nuts.

Speaker 7 People are saying the USA Olympic team should hire Lori because there's like the scene of when Rick first shoots the Dodge. She's literally sprinting off.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you've seen the clip. Yeah, so good.
I love her. Yeah.

Speaker 3 All right, ladies. Well, I appreciate you coming on.
Always fun chatting with you. You'll have to do it again.
Obviously, you guys, disrespectfully, is out and available. Be sure to check it out.

Speaker 3 Let us know. You have Cynthia and Crystal on your latest episode.

Speaker 8 Latest episode. And then our Friday episode this week is our 100th episode.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Congratulations.
Woo!

Speaker 4 So exciting.

Speaker 2 That's quite an accomplishment.

Speaker 3 I mean, I knew you guys would get to 1,000.

Speaker 2 Just yesterday. Like, you know,

Speaker 3 the average podcast hits eight episodes. So.

Speaker 2 Wow. Okay.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 Actually,

Speaker 2 that number might be lower now.

Speaker 3 But like what I remember when I started, I was told like most podcasts don't get past eight. So a hundred is an incredible accomplishment.
So congratulations to you ladies.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Thank you so much.
Thank you guys for having us on.

Speaker 2 All right. We'll see you soon.

Speaker 8 Wash your blender. See you soon.
Bye.

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Speaker 3 Jordan, welcome to the Vile Files.

Speaker 2 I appreciate it. Thank you all.

Speaker 3 Really, really excited to have you on. We're big fans, obviously, of your music.

Speaker 3 And I think you might know this, but it was your song that we selected when we did like the gender reveal for our daughter.

Speaker 2 Oh, no way.

Speaker 4 It was really, next thing you know, was I think like really a song.

Speaker 4 And I think for a lot of families and people who are starting that journey in their lives to like listen to and hold on to because it was just so relatable.

Speaker 4 And it was just like, so yeah, I think early in my pregnancy, like whenever we found out, that was a song that we, every time we got in the car, we put it on.

Speaker 2 That is awesome. Thank y'all very much.
That one, I mean, truly one of my favorite songs I've ever written.

Speaker 2 And that was one of the coolest things about that song was being able to see the videos and seeing people connect with it. I mean, as a songwriter, there's nothing better in the world.

Speaker 4 So I appreciate y'all using it. How long ago did you write that song?

Speaker 2 At least three years ago now. You know, and it was cool.
We came in. I wrote wrote that with Chase McGill, Josh Osborne, and Graylon James.

Speaker 2 You know, it's, it's funny because everybody in Nashville, there's like a structure, you know, to a country song. You got a verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus.
You want it to be relatable.

Speaker 2 You want people to sing it. And,

Speaker 2 you know, there's nothing, nothing repeats in that song.

Speaker 2 And I had came in with an idea of a song, you know, starting and going through the whole, you know, road of life.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, and it's funny, like, I was, God, I bawled like a baby right in that thing. Uh,

Speaker 2 you know, I at least walked out the room. I didn't want them to see me crying.
But, yeah, but yeah, I mean, it just kind of hit me and they grew up quick. I know you are noticing it now.

Speaker 3 No, literally, I was, uh, I was literally just talking about it in our last episode because I don't know how it's like for you as a dad.

Speaker 3 And I'm curious, like, was there a moment that really made you, like, when you went back and you wrote that song, was there like a specific moment?

Speaker 3 You know, because like when we found out Natalie was pregnant with River and then, you know, she's born, every parent you meet, it's like, it goes by fast, it goes by fast.

Speaker 3 And everyone says that so much that you kind of start rolling her, because, you know, when you hear the same thing over and over, you're like, no, I get it. It goes by fast.

Speaker 2 It falls on deaf ears.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it falls on deaf ears. But,

Speaker 3 you know, for me, it honestly was like the past couple of weeks that were really hit, right? Because like River's old enough, she's walking, she's trying to talk, she's communicating.

Speaker 3 And I feel like her and I are connecting, you know, in ways that like, you know, Natalie's been connecting her with her since day one.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 And now

Speaker 3 I was telling the story, but like my, my parents were in town, you know, they're here for a few days. They were going to leave.
So I was like, you know, mom's going to put River down.

Speaker 3 My grand, my mom, her grandma was going to put River down just to like maybe spend some quality time with her.

Speaker 3 And like River just kind of fought it because I'm usually the one who puts her down because I've tried to like have that be my thing.

Speaker 2 That's your thing. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 she really threw a fit. And I came in there and River just like wrapped her arms around me and like was like, hey, Dada.
and I was just like oh man I'm never gonna let anyone else do this best

Speaker 3 and then I got kind of sad right because I got sad about like she's changing so fast and the way she says hi dada just is gonna be different you know

Speaker 3 and it really hit me and it just made me think of your song even more you know because before when we when I first heard your song when I was loving I was like oh this is a good jam and it's sentimental but now like as a dad it's connecting with his daughter it's just like holy fucking shit well I mean I think a lot of with me was I had a West Coast run and I was gone for like, you know, my daughter was three, you know, going on four, had a West Coast run.

Speaker 2 And, you know, usually when we go out there, we stay for two weeks, 10 days, you know, whatever. And like, when I got back from that run, it was like she had grown.

Speaker 2 It's like a totally different child.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you start thinking about like, I've been on the road a lot for my kids' life. And I just thought about like how fast it is.

Speaker 2 You know, my parents are always telling me like, you got to slow down. You got to, you know, spend time with these kids.
And I do.

Speaker 2 but, you know, my job takes me on the road. And it was just those little moments of like, she walked better or she could talk, you know, more.
She could tell you exactly what she wanted.

Speaker 2 And when I left, it wasn't that way. And, you know, and it sounds crazy to think, but like 10 days is a lot when you're talking about a one-year-old kid.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 yeah, that's kind of where that idea came from.

Speaker 4 And your oldest is a girl. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And just has me wrapped around her finger. But it's it's like that, like you were saying, you know, even now, she's five, and

Speaker 2 she'll always be like, Dad, you hugged me too much, and I'm like, It breaks my heart because I know, like, at some point, yeah, she's gonna be like, Dad, stop, like, God, stop, like, get off of me, you know,

Speaker 2 and it just like breaks my heart, you know. Um, but yeah, she's uh, she's got me, she's got me right where she wants me.

Speaker 4 He thinks he's gonna be like tough with it, he thinks he's not gonna.

Speaker 2 We don't have a shot, bro. We don't have a shot.

Speaker 3 I'm gonna love her, you know, give her what she needs and what she wants, but I really just don't want spoiled kids. And I really want her to be a badass boss.
And

Speaker 3 I don't like, yeah. And I think, you know,

Speaker 3 I know it's going to be hard, but I honestly think it's my job to make sure that I gotta sometimes, I gotta teach her the.

Speaker 2 You gotta show the tough side of that.

Speaker 3 And that'll be hard to do, but like,

Speaker 3 I don't know. Maybe you have some advice for me as your kids get older, just because, like, I'm really worried about, like, I'm very fortunate of, like having the life that we have.

Speaker 3 And we're very lucky to give our daughter things that we wouldn't dream of even asking for as kids. But, like, yeah, I really, I really hope that she

Speaker 2 isn't spoiled. Well, we had that on this last Christmas where

Speaker 2 me and Kristen stayed up till 3 a.m. wrapping gifts.
And I'm like, what are we doing, babe? I'm like, this is like,

Speaker 2 I don't think I got this many presents from one to 12.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I mean, and she's like, well, she wanted this and this and this. And I told her that night, I was like, hey, from now on, we're going to back off on this.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, because I'm the same way, like me and my wife, you know, both grew up working class families and, you know, are so blessed to get to give or to what our kids are going to be able to experience.

Speaker 2 And I think that's where we really kind of shifted it to like, you know, toys are cool, but it's like, you know, we just went to Australia and got to bring them with us.

Speaker 2 And it's like, it's more so those things where I'm like, let's, let's give them experiences and show them, show them the world instead of just giving my son another monster truck. Right.
Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That he's going to lose or not want to play with in three days.
But yeah,

Speaker 3 we'll have to work through that together.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right.

Speaker 2 I hope you can offer.

Speaker 4 He tells me to stop. I'm definitely the one who, I mean, I feel like now she can't be spoiled.
She's 14 months old. She doesn't know what it is.
It's like once she starts being like, oh, I want that.

Speaker 4 I want that. I want that.

Speaker 2 Then I feel like I'll be able to really care about is

Speaker 3 stop because she gets such joy

Speaker 3 out of like, oh, River would love this. And it's true.
You see the, you know, you know, you're going to get an excitement.

Speaker 3 I, and, and she's, Rivers only going to get more excited and show more appreciation for gifts. And like, are you going to be able to lock it up and stop? You know, because probably not, mama.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, yeah. You and Kristen probably have that in common.
Absolutely. She's just as bad about it.

Speaker 3 Like, are you buying it for her? Are you buying it for you?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 4 What I think is so funny, though, is you,

Speaker 4 one of your boys is Lachlan, right?

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 4 And that is one of the names on White Lotus. And I was just thinking, the three children that are like from the South in this show are Saxon, Lachlan, and Piper.

Speaker 4 And I was like, those three names are probably going to be super common within this next year. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've got a Piper as a niece. Do you? You're ahead of the curve.
I am.

Speaker 4 Where did the inspiration come behind naming your children?

Speaker 2 so my daughter's eloise and i think me and my wife were dating for like two weeks and she was like just a heads up if this works out my daughter will be named eloise non-negotiable like it's not like old of her i know and i was like okay i mean at that time i was like sure

Speaker 2 whatever

Speaker 2 uh so i don't know if this is working out

Speaker 2 she was like you know if you have if you're dead set on a name for a daughter we might as well call it off now and i was like no, that's fine. I haven't even thought about that.

Speaker 2 I'll call her Elle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so she was like, my daughter will be named Eloise.

Speaker 3 Is it like a family name?

Speaker 2 She just has always loved the name Eloise. And so we had Eloise.
That was set in stone from very early on.

Speaker 2 Lachlan, when we had him,

Speaker 2 we lived in Lachlan Springs. You know, just, I'd always.
love that name. And we spelled a little different than the way they do.

Speaker 2 And then Elijah is my my youngest.

Speaker 2 You know, we just call him Eli. And that was a name that I've always loved.

Speaker 3 And I always like that name, too. That was the, that was like my fake.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you had this when you were growing up in high school and every time like maybe you're like traveling with some buddies and you decided to like make up different

Speaker 3 Elijah was my guy. Well, see, that was mine too.

Speaker 2 Like if you would ever, I remember as a kid when you would do a creative player on like PlayStation or whatever, I would always name him Mila.

Speaker 2 And so like now

Speaker 2 I've got my own Eli, but it was, you know, we didn't find out with him. So it was a, we, we didn't find out with Eloise, and then we found out with Lachlan, and then we didn't find out with Eli,

Speaker 2 but we were naming Eli boy or girl.

Speaker 3 Which do you, which experience did you like better?

Speaker 2 Not finding out. Not finding out.
Really? That was, that was kind of, that was pretty cool. I think I found out with Locke because

Speaker 2 My brother has three girls and I have a sister. And so I was kind of like, hey, man, the last name's name's kind of coming into

Speaker 2 coming into question here.

Speaker 2 So I was just like, really like, man, I hope I have a boy. And then we found out with him.
And I really could see how anticlimactic it was for my wife, where I was like, let's go. I've got a boy.

Speaker 2 And she's like, oh, awesome. It's a boy.

Speaker 2 And so now we're, we're not finding out with the, we've got another one coming in June. So congratulations.

Speaker 3 I had a, I have a friend who we found out with River and partly Nellie was so sick early on that she's like, I need this.

Speaker 2 I needed something.

Speaker 3 I need something to get excited about and look forward to.

Speaker 3 And I was kind of always like down for whatever.

Speaker 3 And then when we found out River was a girl, I mean, I was definitely like, I think I've always just wanted a son. I'm convinced I'm going to have all daughters.

Speaker 3 So when we found out River was a girl, I was just, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And Natalie's like, how do you feel? I'm like, I literally said

Speaker 3 sometimes I have really bad timing. I'm like, I think I would have cried if it was a boy.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And I was like, oh, I'm like standing there sobbing in front of him.
He's like, yeah, well, I would be right there with you if it was a boy.

Speaker 3 But I mean, listen, as soon as, and I'm sure you feel the same way about Eloise, but like as soon as they appear in this world, you can't imagine them being anything other than they are.

Speaker 2 And it's like you were saying, you know.

Speaker 2 Earlier about, you know, when people tell you how fast it goes and it kind of falls on deaf ears, it was like, you know, when you can ask somebody like, you know, what's it like to have a kid?

Speaker 2 It's like, until they get here.

Speaker 2 It's like, yeah, you know, totally different for the mom. But I feel like as the dad, you know, just seeing your wife go through how y'all do pregnancy, thank God.

Speaker 2 I just wouldn't be able to do it. But, you know, there's like that kind of until the baby shows up.
And then you're like, oh, now I get how

Speaker 2 you could never love anything more than that little crazy looking thing that just shows up. But like, you're like, oh my God, it's just, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 How much do your kids inspire just your, your career, your music in general?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, a ton on the songwriting side of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, next thing you know, even, you know, by dirt was another one that was kind of inspired by, you know, how I want to go about raising the family.

Speaker 3 You really have some family bangers.

Speaker 2 I do. I really just.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 I, you know, I, I confess, I, I've grew up mostly hating country music.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I was from, I'm from Wisconsin. I don't know.
I think I was just kind of like, I just decided I wasn't going to like it. A lot of my friends did.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I'm old enough to like country music back then was

Speaker 3 not what it is today. And

Speaker 3 I was resistant to it. And then met Natalie.
And she's always playing country music. And then she took me to stagecoach.
And I really fell in love with country music as a stagecoach.

Speaker 3 And it was because of the community.

Speaker 3 It was about like, I'm usually not a guy who's like listening to lyrics of like songs and things like that, but you can't, you can't help but to when it comes to country music.

Speaker 2 It's more deliberate.

Speaker 3 And I just really loved like, not the song corny, but like the, the, the songs about, it was like songs and music about like things I want for myself and my dreams and things like that.

Speaker 3 So like songs like yours, I don't know, there's the ones I usually connected with more because like that's how I got into it. And like now it, now and like, I'll play it.

Speaker 2 I've, I've played it by myself, you know, like, you know, usually it was always like when Natalie's playing it, now I've really become a fan just because I really love not, yeah like the messages and shit like that there's an honesty in the in the songwriting you know i've always kind of struggled on you know and now i feel like country's more open than it's ever been i mean you've got the cody johnsons who are you know cowboys you know yeah country to the bone and then you've got me somewhere in the middle of it it feels like and then you've got jelly and post malones in it and it's just like i've just tried to get more to like man i just love good music and i think with me it always comes down to the songwriting side of it the message the honesty in it.

Speaker 2 Did you start off songwriting? Yeah. You did.
I moved. I mean, I never, never had a dream of like playing music live, like playing on stage, being the guy singing.
I moved in 2012 to write songs.

Speaker 2 You know, just wanted to write songs for other artists.

Speaker 2 You know, was bartending, doing everything to kind of stay in town and was struggling finding a job as a songwriter.

Speaker 2 had a bunch of songs and met somebody that was like, hey, man, why don't you start singing them? Like, try to do the artist thing.

Speaker 2 And I was like, well, if that could get me out of bartending, I'll do anything.

Speaker 2 And like, now I don't know what I would do without going

Speaker 3 why only songwriting and not just, you know, being an artist at first.

Speaker 2 Well, my, my family was, my uncle was a songwriter. So I always knew that like there was a here in town and had some hits, you know, so I always knew that there were people writing songs for

Speaker 2 Alan Jackson's or, you know, George Straits. And so I knew that was a job.
And then my brother moved to town two years before I did.

Speaker 2 And he was trying to get a record deal and kind of started having some success. So I was just like, man, I'll move to Nashville and write with him.

Speaker 2 And, you know, hopefully we can, you know, do the, do the songwriting thing. And he goes out and plays.
And, uh, and it's like totally flipped.

Speaker 2 Now my brother is a full-time songwriter and off the road. And I'm on the road.
How much have y'all collaborated? A lot I mean he's probably my most

Speaker 2 the guy I write with the most yeah but he was a writer on by dirt with me and he's got four or five on this next album so we we write together a whole lot wow that's crazy yeah that's uh that buy dirt makes me think of uh the lake house that i was able to buy back my grandfather

Speaker 3 uh built the house in like 65. we lost it when i was nine oh you bought it back i bought it back dude a couple years ago that is like the house his mom grew up in.

Speaker 2 Is it back in Wisconsin? Yeah. Yeah.
Super underrated state. Yeah.
Beautiful state.

Speaker 2 Keep it a secret, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's like in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 The lakes up there are unreal.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's on a lake. And we have

Speaker 3 we're remodeling it now.

Speaker 3 We're essentially redoing the house. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because like when I got when I got there, and like some of the some of our audience members are mad at me.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah?

Speaker 2 You're tearing the card over there.

Speaker 3 Well, I bought, you know, we bought the house and made such a big deal about it.

Speaker 3 And then when we got the, when we got the property back, I was like kind of amazed and grateful like how preserved it was.

Speaker 3 Like the concrete steps leading down to the lake still have like my, my mom and my uncle's names engraved in the, in the concrete when they were kids, you know?

Speaker 3 And like the swing set they grew up on still there and shit. But it's really the property, you know, that's special to me.
Cause like all we do is just go on the lake and stare at the lake.

Speaker 3 The house itself is, you know.

Speaker 2 It doesn't need to be anything special.

Speaker 3 It wasn't, you know, it wasn't, yeah, that's the thing. But now that we're there and we want to like grow our family and have people up, it's just like it, you know, the pipes are kind of yellow.

Speaker 3 And so like, we just needed to fix it up. And it just made sense to, you know, bigger and grander.

Speaker 3 But like that, you're this by dirt, just every time I listen to that song, it just makes me think of like, when you have a, like, a, a special place that like it will always be in my family.

Speaker 3 Like my dream for that house. is to have my kids love it as much as I love it.

Speaker 2 I was about to say, have y'all taken River out there yet? Yeah. Like, how special was that?

Speaker 3 Yeah. You know, now like she's getting older.
Like now she was just like a little bean, you know, but now she's like seeing the world.

Speaker 3 I can't wait to like this summer and like teach her how to swim and shit. Like I, that's where I learned how to swim.
That's where I learned how to like water ski and shit.

Speaker 2 Like, I mean, like, that's just like the, you know, the spot for us that was always either my grandparents, they lived on a lake in East Texas. So like the summers were going there.

Speaker 2 And it's like, you know, it wasn't anything crazy. It was on Toledo Bend, which is a pretty lake.
I mean, but it's it's nothing like probably Lake in Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 But like, you know, it was just more like that was where my cousins went. And for three weeks of a summer, we would go down there.
And it was just us and family.

Speaker 2 And, you know, still some of my favorite memories were at that lake house. And then now y'all get to do that with y'all's kids.
It's going to be awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a cool experience.

Speaker 4 Have you been able to look back at any songs that you've written now that you are such a successful artist yourself and be like, kind of wish I would have saved that for myself?

Speaker 2 Or are you like happy at the homes that oh, no, no, I mean, like, I'm, I'm, I take any, anytime one of my songs gets released to the world, I'm super happy about it.

Speaker 2 There was, there's one, Jake Owen cut one of my songs that is still one of my which one? It's called Somewhere South of the Rum.

Speaker 2 And I was so on the fence about it. And I was like, man, I really love this song.
He had it on hold and I'd heard he was going to cut it.

Speaker 2 And then I kind of got cold feet and I was like, man, I think I need to cut this then. You know, because like

Speaker 2 when you see another artist that, that, and I love Jake, like, he's been so good to me and take me out on tours, and you know, and then I'm like, but dang, Jake thinks it's cool, maybe I should record it.

Speaker 2 And, but I'm, I'm super stoked that that's like it was a full circle thing for me when it's like, man, that's cool that like that, Jake is one of my favorites in country music.

Speaker 2 I've gotten a tour with him, and now, you know, one, I think it was my second outside cut, uh, being him was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 I, uh, I have uh one of Jake Owens' t-shirts, no way, yeah, like a face tee? No.

Speaker 3 I dated his ex-girlfriend. And this is like...

Speaker 2 Oh, like a real Jake Owen shirt. It's a Miami Vice-His-It's.
It's like a merch item.

Speaker 3 It's a Miami Vice t-shirt. And like, I didn't know country music back then.

Speaker 3 I'm 44. This is 20 years ago.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like this,

Speaker 3 I don't know, 18 years ago. I'm 27, 28.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 My ex-girlfriend was like, yeah, I dated this country. You know, he was big then, but he's much bigger now.

Speaker 3 You know, and I was just like this spiteful new boy or friend. I was like, this fucking guy, whatever.

Speaker 3 I didn't know anything about him at the time, but she, she had this purple Miami Vice t-shirt that I was like, this is a dope-ass t-shirt.

Speaker 4 Honestly, you need to like give it to Jordan to give it back.

Speaker 2 I feel like she gave it back.

Speaker 3 Anyway, she told me how she stole it from him in the divorce, and I stole it from her in our divorce. And by divorce, I mean, we just broke up, but

Speaker 3 I still got the fucking shirt. No way.

Speaker 2 You've got to get it. So

Speaker 3 if Jake, really listen to him, there's a purple Miami Vice t-shirt.

Speaker 2 Could you imagine if you bring that up to be like, dude, I haven't stopped thinking about that shirt.

Speaker 2 That is hilarious. Yeah, it's pretty full circle right there.
That is crazy.

Speaker 3 You have a beautiful beard.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 3 I've always wondered if I could grow something that full.

Speaker 2 I can already tell you, I think you can do it.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 2 It gets a little like wiry after a while.

Speaker 3 Is there a secret to it being because it looks like it's meant to be that thick?

Speaker 2 Beard oil.

Speaker 2 It kind of gives it some volume. Okay.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I think you could go there you don't use beard oil on that no i don't it helps a lot i was i was i was against the beard oil because i was just like no like feels a little fancy when i yeah like i don't want to have to manicure my beard and then i started like this that somebody sent me a um a package of savage main beard oil and i was just like all right off the name alone I gotta try it.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 Smanly enough.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so I used it one day and I was like, okay, this is great. And now I'd use like beard oil and a beard shampoo.
Okay. Oh, my God.
I use like a.

Speaker 4 You're getting gifted like the kits for Christmas.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But not one sponsor on my beard.
I always say this. My beard is still a free agent.
Like nobody. That's crazy.
Yeah. That is.
That's a beautiful beard.

Speaker 2 I definitely feel like a marketable beard. It's a market.

Speaker 3 They could take your face off and do one of those beard silhouettes and be like, yeah, that's Jordan David.

Speaker 2 That's it. Yeah.
That is true.

Speaker 2 No, you got to get on the beard game. I'll tell you what.
I'm going to bring you

Speaker 2 a beard oil. Okay, thank you.
And you can let me know your audience.

Speaker 3 We should do a get ready with me with Jordan Diggs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, his beard routine. Takes like three minutes.
Yeah. Like, all right, well, there you go.

Speaker 4 Bar Nun recently came out. How excited were you to release that? Man,

Speaker 2 I haven't stopped listening to the song since. So good.
I got it sent to me.

Speaker 2 It truly is like, it's a perfect kickoff to, we've got a record coming out at the end of this year that I'm super excited about.

Speaker 4 You don't want to move that up like a little sooner?

Speaker 2 I would if I could.

Speaker 2 But no, we're releasing a lot of music over the next couple months. And man, Bar None was just like, it truly got sent to me.
My manager sent it over and was like, hey, man, check this out.

Speaker 2 We'd probably recorded 12 or 13 songs. And I mean, I just couldn't stop listening to it.
And it's even showing now. I mean, it's been out for a couple of weeks and

Speaker 2 fans are already already loving it. We played it for the first time at a festival last weekend and got a great response.

Speaker 4 At what point do you find out that like your song is on today's country on like Apple?

Speaker 4 I feel like that's always the like playlist I go to is just like today's country and it's non-stop Jordan Davis.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, it's, I'm super fortunate. Like, I mean, it's, um, you know, it's, I try not to like keep up with it, you know, because you just like kind of record it, put it out.

Speaker 2 put your head down and and keep going but when you have songs like that that really kind of raise their hand as as something special it's hard not to keep an eye on it and this one is it's I mean, probably one of my best releases I've put out so far.

Speaker 2 And it's great. It feels like it's something different that I haven't done before.
Yeah. And it's just a great kickoff to what a lot of this record sounds like.

Speaker 4 How many songs are on, can you say, on your record?

Speaker 2 I think I've got 16. 16 or 17? Yeah, 17.
Wow. How do you choose a 17? Yeah.
It feels like it. But then Morgan puts like 40 bangers on one and then I'm just like, man, I got

Speaker 2 if I had 40 that I think could go on record, I probably would.

Speaker 4 17 is a lot yeah it's a lot

Speaker 2 do you get a lot of say on that oh yeah yeah like it's uh I've been I've got an amazing team but uh that's one of my favorite things about you know publishers management label is uh I have full reign on

Speaker 2 and that's even going back to my first album you know it's like you know you hear stories from other artists about like you know I was kind of pushed in this direction or that direction but I've never I've never felt that I've had full creative control over all my albums So where do you stand on music videos?

Speaker 4 Are you like full? Let's bring them back like they used to be yeah

Speaker 2 I mean, you know mainly because like the last video

Speaker 2 I literally just got my friends to come over and for two days in Charleston and we rented a boat and that's fun. Like you just kind of get a day to hang with your buddies.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But that's also like a kid that grew up watching CMT non-stop.

Speaker 2 You know, like that was such a such a cool thing to put like a visual with the song that it's still something that that i love doing and and and then you have a fun you know a song like bar none that i'm like oh man this could be this could be a fun video no i was gonna ask you do you have like any ideas in mind for i don't i'm i'm terrible at coming up with the idea yeah i'm pretty good at writing the songs and singing them but when it comes to like the videos that's such a different creative side that i that i can't get into or i'm not good at right uh but i'm sure it's it's probably gonna revolve around drinking which will be fun.

Speaker 3 As someone who planned on being a songwriter and not an artist,

Speaker 3 do you enjoy performing live or do you get stage fried? Or is it a little bit of a little bit of both?

Speaker 2 There was definitely a

Speaker 2 learning period of, so it's funny. Like when I first started taking meetings as a, so I got, I got a call one day and they're like, hey, Universal wants to meet with you.
And I was like, oh, sweet.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 in my mind, I'm thinking like, oh, Universal Publishing, like, I might get a songwriting contract. And they send over the address and it's the label.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, I guess they take songwriter meetings at the label. And I walk in with the guy that was helping me out at the time.

Speaker 2 And he's like, by the way, man, you know, this is like for a record deal. Right.
And I was like, oh, I did not. But,

Speaker 2 and so I sit down, first ever sit down. And she's like, so how long have you been playing? And I was like, I'm not going to tell this person and I've never played a show before.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, you know, I'm still pretty green, but like, you know, sometimes I was little. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, mostly acoustic stuff, but like, I've got some shows coming up.

Speaker 3 I know enough to be dangerous.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 And she's like, well, let me know when your next show is. I'd love to come check it out.
And I immediately went home and I was like, I've got to find a band. I've got to learn how to do a set list.

Speaker 2 I need to learn how to like, just learn everything.

Speaker 2 And she came to my first show. And she told me, she was like, you're really green.
And in the back of my mind, I was like, yeah, it's the first one I've ever played.

Speaker 2 Finally, I came out with it. And I was like, hey, I've never done this before.
I don't know what I'm doing. And I ended up signing.
And the best thing that happened to me was I signed my deal.

Speaker 2 And I didn't release music for probably a year and a half. And just went out and played little bitty, no-name towns, little bars.
First full band show I ever played was there was

Speaker 2 It was in

Speaker 2 Birmingham. There was a sound guy.
There was two bartenders and there was one guy at the bar that was playing the, you know, the games where you have to pick the difference between the two photos?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was, he was drinking and playing that game and had no clue what we were doing. Like, didn't even turn around once.

Speaker 2 And I think I got that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I think I got paid like 250 bucks. That's crazy.
It cost me 400 bucks to get everybody down there. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 I mean, I love those stories because I always love hearing, like,

Speaker 3 you know, especially people as successful as you are, like, you know, how they cut their teeth, like how they pay their dues.

Speaker 3 You know, it's, you know, obviously, like, you know, you talked about how lucky you are and the privileges you have, but like, you know, it's, it's moments like that, like, there's, I don't know, 99 out of 100 people right there just say, fuck, I don't know, man, like, this ain't for me.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm not, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 You talked yourself out of it, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you know, but like, it's that, you know, you, you bet on yourself, you, you put it together, you, you know, like that drive out there, spending 400 bucks and make 250 to be in a room that's empty to perform.

Speaker 3 I've lost like that.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's like I took those and, you know, and kudos to my team at the time of being like, hey, don't worry about who shows up. Don't worry about how it goes.
Like, just get better every night.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, get more comfortable. You know, and I mean, without that, like, if I were to just jumped into it and thinking like, oh, yeah, there's.
I'm good, man.

Speaker 2 Like, I wasn't even looking for this and I got it. Yeah, I don't know if I'm, I'm, I would be where I'm at now.
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 Obviously, we love watching TV, reality TV. I hear you're into this million dollar show on Netflix.

Speaker 2 Do y'all watch it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we haven't ever been telling us

Speaker 2 that we should be watching.

Speaker 2 This is amazing. All right.
So, like, I'm trying to wean off of true crime.

Speaker 2 Like, read this article about how if you calm down to true crime, there's like tons of red flags. Yeah.
And I was like, all right.

Speaker 4 Did your wife get you into it or were you like?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I was way into it. Interesting.
Like,

Speaker 2 what's your childhood trauma i know right that's that's exactly what they say they're like if you calm down by watching trauma you've got some major problems man and uh so i like you know and i do i love reality tv and we have a ton of time you know ton of downtime on the road flights whatever so the other day i saw it so it's million dollar secret that's million dollar secret

Speaker 2 and yeah so

Speaker 2 Do y'all know the premise at all? All right. So I read it this morning, but I explained to you explain to people, man.

Speaker 2 So basically they it's like probably eight or nine people right now and then one gets voted off and they get given a box you know eight of them are empty one of them has a million bucks in it and then they have to go the whole day trying to find out who has the million bucks they're all lying to each other like nobody said what they do one woman's a cop but she's like never addressed that she's a cop and like one person's like kind of getting on to like And then they give like these hints and these like,

Speaker 2 I'm doing a terrible job explaining this. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 but like you know they have like a they have like a game they have to play and then the winners get to go into this vault and then you get given like a a tip to like help tip out who the millionaire is

Speaker 2 and then they all have this big dinner and then they vote on it and then you have to open your box in front of everybody but here's what i don't know is going to happen because the season's still going i think they're about to release the Actually, tonight.

Speaker 2 Is today the ninth? I think so. I think two episodes come out tonight.
Yep, the ninth. Okay.

Speaker 2 So this will be yesterday forever okay well so there's a couple new episodes we know what you're doing and i'm

Speaker 2 locked in like i am i am all so this is your true crime i think i think that's why i like it i was actually like talking to my wife about this i was like i think i because it's like half detective do you know as a as a viewer who has yeah you do you do okay so you know who the millionaire is And then they get given like, this is what I think is awesome.

Speaker 2 So like the millionaire gets a like a task. So this, the one one of the first girls had the million bucks and this guy with a really cool voice comes in and he's like you have to hug everybody today

Speaker 2 like so you have to like secretly find a way to hug everybody and not make it like and not make it

Speaker 2 to where somebody's like

Speaker 2 hey i think the task is you have to give everybody a hug so the the millionaire the millionaire has given tasks he's given and they have to complete these tasks covertly so to speak okay and then like one of them was they had to

Speaker 2 drop song titles in regular conversation. So

Speaker 2 it's pretty cool to see how they do it. And then the detective side of everybody's like, everybody's move, like every move you make is being watched all day.

Speaker 2 And it's like, hey, that person, like, I don't know. So it's kind of like

Speaker 2 Traders colour. Yeah, I was going to say, next thing you know, you're watching Traders.
Did you watch Traders at all? I did not.

Speaker 3 So you would love, you would like Traders. If you like this show, you would love Traders.

Speaker 2 Okay. Well, then I need to get on it.

Speaker 3 You need to get on that.

Speaker 4 If you just would like buy a little dirt, you would love Traders.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I love it. See, that would be a test.
You have to sneak in, buy dirt into the into the into the episode. That's funny.
But yeah, it's like I think six, I think there's like six people left now. Okay.

Speaker 2 That sounds good.

Speaker 3 Is this one of your first reality TV shows you got into? No.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I've been a reality. What are you doing?

Speaker 2 What do you lie from? I mean, it started with Jersey Shore. Well, of course.
The OG.

Speaker 3 When we first started dating, I got invited to the MTV Reality TV awards before they combined them. And I brought Nali.
And we sat at the table, and Snookie and Jay Wow are at our table.

Speaker 3 And Jay Wow ended up coming to our wedding.

Speaker 2 No way. We became friends.

Speaker 3 But Natalie leaned over. She's like, this is my Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 And she was like sweating and freaking out.

Speaker 3 And like, I never watched Jersey Shore. So, like, I honestly was like, I don't even know who these people are.
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 Whatever.

Speaker 3 She was freaking out. I was like, you need to be normal.

Speaker 2 So fucking weird.

Speaker 3 It was, it was hilarious.

Speaker 2 So my fan, I did a CMT interview. So I tour with Dirks Bentley last summer or here recently, maybe two summers ago.

Speaker 2 And we would do a cold plunge in the morning, then we would work out, and then we would do pickleball. So it was our, what did he call it? PPL.

Speaker 2 Pickle, pickle plunge lift. Okay.
So that was our GTL. And then we recreated a photo from Jersey Shore with like me and Dirks and my crew.
And then we just like put them side by side.

Speaker 2 And so I come back to Nashville after the tour and I'm talking about it. And they got Mike the situation to do a cameo to me.

Speaker 2 And I was like, this is the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 but yeah, I was pretty.

Speaker 2 And like, he kind of bashed me. He's like, dude, your GTL game is terrible.
You know, pickle plunge, whatever.

Speaker 2 But I was like watching it. i was like this is worlds colliding right here it's crazy but yeah jersey started me off god i mean i feel like there's you know obviously bachelor bachelorette

Speaker 2 yeah uh

Speaker 2 yeah i was like it's like i already watch way too much tv so it's like that's like i need that to like kind of decompress for sure so yeah i'm a big i'm a big reality guy i mean that's how i got on the show i was making fun of my my uh

Speaker 3 my buddy's wife for watching it and then that's how you did they like did you know they were did you joke she was like shut up i'm i'm gonna sign you up and like my you know my girlfriend i had just split or whatever and she like joked about it but like i did not think she was being serious and then like months later i got a random phone call and you were in yeah he was in and never let go

Speaker 2 um the tip just kept showing up

Speaker 4 do you have any i would imagine so but plans to tour after this record comes out yeah we've got a uh just announced last week we've got a tour in the fall

Speaker 2 I think we crank up in early September playing like some really, some venues that I've had, I've been wanting to play for a long time. Red Rocks was like always my like bucket list spot.

Speaker 2 And I've never opened up for anybody there. So this will be my first time being there.
Radio City in New York. Okay.
And The Greek in LA. So those are

Speaker 2 like three

Speaker 2 staples of it. But also, I mean, I always hate like talking about three certain shows because there's, you know, some amazing spots we're stopping at.
But

Speaker 3 do you, you uh are you gonna be able to take the family at all or I mean

Speaker 2 hard with them in school yeah and we'll have a brand new one

Speaker 2 it's like we've tried the touring thing like kudos to the artist that can take the fam out and like that is just a that is a whole different animal um it just makes for really really long days uh so they'll probably come out for like certain stops okay but um are you busting it yeah yeah it's harder too it's so tough yeah they don't sleep and then like, the last time we took them out and like a three-day run, and I got like a, you know, because we just have like a regular style, there's 12 bunks on my bus, and everybody's got a bunk, and then we have the back lounge.

Speaker 2 So for this weekend with them coming out, I was like, all right, we'll put them, we'll put the kids in a bunk.

Speaker 2 And then me and Kristen had a room in the back of the bus, which I was like, this will be fine. Like, I'll be able to get some sleep.
They'll be in the, you know, it'd be great.

Speaker 2 That just turned into five of us

Speaker 2 in the bed every night and just sandwiched in.

Speaker 3 You got no sleep.

Speaker 2 No sleep.

Speaker 2 Playing shows like just dog tired.

Speaker 2 And that's when I was like, all right, if we're going to do the family touring thing, we got to find a better approach. Yeah.
We got to do it right.

Speaker 4 Do your kids, I would imagine, how old is Lachlan?

Speaker 2 He's three.

Speaker 4 Three. Okay, so he might not.
But does Eloise know that you're like famous?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think she's kind of catching on to it.

Speaker 2 She, she said something to

Speaker 2 my wife the other day. Kristen sent me a text message and she was like, Eloise just asked, why not? So many people know my dad.

Speaker 2 But it's actually made some like really funny.

Speaker 2 She went to school one time, and I was talking to a teacher, and she asked everybody what song their dad sings. So she just kind of thought everybody's dad would sing songs.

Speaker 2 So I picked her up. I was taking her home.
I was like, hey, some dads are. doctors, mechanics, you know, not everybody's dad is crazy enough to try to do this for a living.

Speaker 2 But yeah, she's kind of catching on to, you know, she's come to shows. And

Speaker 2 luckily, I'm still not her favorite.

Speaker 4 I was about to say, does she give you her honest because kids are brutal? So if you're like, hey, can I play you a new song?

Speaker 2 And she's like, if she passes on it, there's a good chance that song's not making my brain.

Speaker 2 And they really are like, you know, love melodies. And

Speaker 2 I've got to watch it with my son because he loves monster trucks, loves any truck. So any song I put a truck in, which is country music, we do that a lot.
He's all about the truck song.

Speaker 2 He's like, oh, dad, it's got a truck in it. That's good.
Great song. But Eloise is like, hey, daddy, I like that one.
So she helps a lot with picking some songs for these records.

Speaker 3 She knows the ones that will pull on people's

Speaker 2 heart strings. Absolutely.
That's great. That's really cool.
I love that.

Speaker 3 I will be curious if

Speaker 3 my kids will give us input on the show.

Speaker 2 I'm sure they'll find their way to give unsolicited advice. I could have done better there.

Speaker 4 It wasn't a great episode.

Speaker 3 Imagine having content out there you hope they never find.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know, right?

Speaker 2 I already have to answer that to like my mom.

Speaker 2 She was in town for three weeks, and I played her some songs, and I still get in trouble. I'm 37 years old.
I'm a grown man with

Speaker 2 almost four kids. Oh, no.
And if I say like damn in a song,

Speaker 2 she's like,

Speaker 2 why are you cussing in your song? And I'm like, mom, that's not a cuss word. She's like, yes, it is.
And your kids are going to hear that one day.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, and I will cross that bridge when we get to it. Your mom would be very disappointed in me.

Speaker 2 I won't let her listen to that.

Speaker 3 I have a potty mouth. I really do.
And

Speaker 3 I am trying to cut back.

Speaker 4 Is that something? Like, I don't know if you had a sailor's mouth or not before kids, but like, was that something that you were like, I actively need to realize?

Speaker 2 Definitely caught myself a couple of times where, you know, I've had to be like, whew.

Speaker 2 They're getting older to where they may repeat that.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, I might need to watch.

Speaker 3 Have you ever seen those videos where a parent will like tell their kid to go in a room and they don't know that there's a camera there and the parent says, all right, I'm going to step out and you can say whatever bad words you want to say and you won't get in trouble.

Speaker 3 And the kids are just like,

Speaker 2 fuck.

Speaker 4 But also some of them are like, shut up, stupid.

Speaker 2 You know, it's like their words like jerk, meanie. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that. If I were to do that with mine, it would probably lean more towards that one.

Speaker 2 That's so funny.

Speaker 6 Who are you going out with on tour?

Speaker 2 So this fall, I've got Mitchell Timpenney coming out with me and Vincent Mason. How fun.
And so we're going to pick those. So Mitchell's been one of my oldest buddies in town.

Speaker 2 I've always been a huge fan of him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And just become friends. And he was out with us last year and just had a blast.
And then when we started looking for support again, I was like, man, ask Mitchell if he'd do it.

Speaker 2 Totally expecting him to be like, dude, I just went out with you. I'm going to go do my own tour or go with somebody else.
And he took it again. So,

Speaker 2 and I'm like honored. I love Mitchell to death.
And then Vincent is one that like I just got turned on to, I guess, last year, heard one of his songs on TikTok. And I was like, dang, this kid's good.

Speaker 2 And whenever it came time to find another support act, I asked about Vincent and he jumped at it. So it's going to be a fun tour.
It's going to be a fun one.

Speaker 3 That's awesome, man. Well, congratulations on all your success.

Speaker 3 It's incredible to have you on the show. Thanks for being a part of our daughter's story.

Speaker 2 Oh, man. Thank y'all.
That truly means the world. And I appreciate y'all having me on.
This has been awesome.

Speaker 3 Come back anytime, man, especially as you, any, any, any real TV shows you jump into, let us know.

Speaker 2 No, y'all got to let me know if I'm way off on this. If I, cause like, no, well, I think you're, no, I, I'm, I'm, thanks for the recommendation.

Speaker 3 The way you describe it, it makes, and I hear other people are, are watching it and talking about it.

Speaker 3 And you should check out Traders because like, I think it, people are very much into like, even like White Lotus.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you watch that, but like, you know, these shows where it's a lot of like, you know, clue and you're supposed to kind of figure things out.

Speaker 3 It's a lot, you know, because ultimately like all reality TV is, like, depending, regardless of what the format is, it's like, it's human interactions. Yeah.
You know, you're watching people.

Speaker 3 It's a way to like judge yourself, see yourself through other people's lenses, judge other people, and just kind of like see how people interact with each other.

Speaker 3 And it's like, it's just, it's, it's just a fascinating like case study. So it's like, I think a lot of those shows, that's why they're so popular right now.

Speaker 3 It makes sense why, why Netflix is kind of jumping on that bandwagon. So I'm definitely going to check it out.
But yeah,

Speaker 3 when you let me know, when you get another show, we'll have you back.

Speaker 2 I'll send it over. Yeah, send over.

Speaker 3 Congratulations and everything. Your tour, your music.
It's all amazing. We're big fans.
And thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Thank y'all.

Speaker 3 All right. Thanks for listening, guys.
Thank you to disrespectfully as well. Be sure to check out the Ally Luber episode of Going Deeper if you haven't already.
We'll see you back on Monday.