E977 - Perfect Match w/ Rachel Recchia, BIP w/ Bailey, Miguel & Louis Drama, Valley Casting, RHOC and RHOM

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You're crazy.

What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

I'm your host, Nick.

My wife is back.

She's alive.

She's doing well.

My gosh.

It was

touch and go.

I thought she wasn't going to make it.

I honestly, I wish I could have been that bitch.

I wish I could have been that influencer that in the midst, grabbed my phone, put it on a tripod.

As you were throwing up.

record.

The way I was sleeping on the bathroom floor on a towel, wrapped in a robe with a bowl, puking.

It was just the worst night of my entire life.

And I wish I could have had it on a recording to show you all.

Like Big Brother.

Because you're like a baddie?

Oh my God.

No.

Was it like that?

So that I could have done like, uh, so that I could have done like a two-time speed, a story post and been like, my weekend.

And like, you know.

But like from a virus.

From the stomach flu.

I do have a question.

The bowl that you throw up in, is that the same bowl that you use to like eat popcorn out of?

Oh, it actually.

I made kale salad in it two days later.

You did?

I mean, like, I don't, is that, it's called soap.

Yeah.

Like, I don't.

You throw it.

First of all, it's, it's metal, not plastic.

So there's no, like, there's no

getting into like micro plastics or anything like that.

Like, it's, it's stainless.

I'm not judging.

I'm just saying.

It's like there is a very specific throw-up bowl that also use to eat popcorn.

We haven't thrown up like that in a long time.

So we haven't necessitated.

I was going to say, am I a trash human that I don't know?

Don't have a throw-up bowl that I just go to the bathroom?

No, no, no.

Definitely.

The toilet was like my one shrew.

I wash the toilet.

And then, like, honestly, the toilet can help in a lot of ways, you know?

Like, really slowly moving along.

But I was throwing up so much that I was also so tired.

And the bedroom was such a far walk, like the bed was such a far walk.

The toilet that I was like, I just can't.

I just gotta, I gotta go.

Let's play a game.

It's called Am I an Asshole.

Now, I want to preface this game, Am I an Asshole, by reminding you all that I had the same stomach flu days earlier.

This is just like, I don't think we should play.

It's just not gonna use no matter what.

No, I'm the asshole.

Oh, okay.

Actually, like, Nally's fine.

And shocking news.

Go ahead.

Well, I don't think I am.

I'm just wondering.

Just for

almost certainly.

I just want to remind you guys, I had the stonic flu days before, and when I was puking, crying, screaming, throwing up, Natalie

didn't wake up at all.

Had a nice night of sleep, which I was happy to have her have because my wife needs her sleep.

He was just so light on his feet in the middle of the night when he got up to throw up.

I just didn't hear a pin.

When Natalie had the flu,

she was down bad.

And I got up a few times when I saw her wake up and Rivers sleeping.

And I'm rubbing her back.

And then I'd bring her back to the bed.

And then there was a point in the evening, like three in the morning, and Natalie is just lying on the bathroom floor.

And I'm like, all right, I think, let's go back to bed.

She's like, just leave me.

Just leave me.

Just leave me.

So I left her.

You're not the asshole.

And I wrapped the blanket on

the towel.

I put another bathroom towel.

And I'm like, all right, well,

maybe it's socially sweet.

But maybe

after that, I left her on the bathroom floor.

Respect our wishes when

we're in such a vulnerable state.

Get out of here.

There was a part of Nana that definitely wanted me to sit down and caress her back and stay with her all night.

Oh, if he wanted to lay down with me on that bathroom floor,

she absolutely would have welcomed.

I would have welcomed with open arms.

I always feel like, I don't want to walk back to the bed and then have to get back up and walk.

You know, like, I don't want to do that.

I definitely would like to do that sofa.

I'm like, all right, well.

You're doing great, sweetie.

So I'm okay.

Yeah, maybe you, maybe you being awoken is karma for giving your beautiful wife the stomach flu.

You did give me the stomach flu.

Oh, I think I did.

Yeah.

I don't know where I got it.

You know, blaming doesn't help anything.

We did survive.

We're on the other side.

We survived, and we do have a great episode lined up for you today.

Yeah, the boss is no longer there.

Rachel Recchia, your former bachelorette and new star of the Perfect Match Streaming Night on Netflix, is with us to give us a little inside baseball to what the fuck was she and Clayton thinking when they decided to reunite their romance for a night until Clayton.

His instincts kicked in?

His intuition.

His intuition.

Yeah, that intuition.

His intuition kicked in.

We also have Bailey Brown from Bachelor in Paradise with us to talk about her thoughts on Jeremy and his

reluctance to speak truth to Bailey.

How is she feeling about being blindsided by lies from Jeremy?

So we got hopefully two very upset women joining us later this episode.

Hopefully.

With any luck.

Got to make money somehow.

You know.

Give us the tears.

Is the tissue bottle?

Hopefully they've both moved on to better.

I want them to move on after they come on the show.

I hope this is their opportunity to just let out all the demons.

Clayton is supposed to join us on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap and supposed to.

We'll see.

I don't know.

I think he has a different version of how things went down on Perfect Match.

And I can't wait to hear him.

As anyone does with a bad edit.

You know what I'm saying?

Bad edits.

Bad edits.

Bad edits.

Speaking of releasing demons, I don't know if you saw Miguel's Instagram stories over the weekend.

The girlies have unfollowed Louie after Louie, who is also on Perfect Match.

Who is also on Perfect Match was spotted out in London with Hudda.

Huda's in London.

Hudda went out in London and they were like spotted together.

I think she's back now.

This was,

yeah, she was back.

This was like a couple.

This was like a week or two ago.

Anyways, why does Miguel care is my question?

Well, Miguel and Louie are best friends from London.

I'm assuming that they must have applied for these shows at the same time, thinking it was just going to be like a fun hee, hee, ha, ha.

Um, obviously, Miguel has met the love of his life.

I think Louis moved out here for perfect match, and they were roommates for a minute.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty positive.

A couple of London mates trying to make it on TV.

And then roommates.

During the season,

or right after the season, people noticed that Leah and Janae and Serena had unfollowed Louie.

So

of Love Island USA?

Of Love Island USA season six.

Mid-season?

Unfollowed towards the end of the season, unfollowed Louie, which was like weird.

Mid-season?

What are you talking about?

Mid-season?

I misspoke.

So then I corrected myself, but he caught on to my misspoke.

I am not.

I'm paying attention to Sierra.

I'm not paying attention to who the PPP PPPG is following during Love Island season.

He's lying.

He has his notifications on.

So people started to notice

the unfollowing of Louis.

And then Miguel posted a comment because everybody thought that the PPG unfollowed him based off of HUDA.

He said, if you know me, you know I'm someone who's very private.

If I have a problem, I deal with it personally.

However, the more I dive into this world, the more I see some people have different takes on that and perspectives can get corrupted.

People I called my friends feeling as though they have the right to talk on my relationship so negatively in such a public manner with no regard for how this might affect my girl's mental.

What did Louie say?

I'm going to look it up after I finish.

Making assumptions without first understanding reasons behind certain actions and using that to let people drag her name and drag my relationship is disgusting.

I'm beyond disappointed, I'm beyond upset, and I honestly want no part in any of it.

It feels ridiculous I'm even writing this message, but this is the world I'm in and everyone seems to need an explanation, so here it is.

The people you thought I was close to, please remove that idea from your mind because it's clear to me now we're walking two different paths.

And to shed light on a certain topic, Leah and the girls didn't unfollow Louie because he was dating Hudda.

They did it because as women, the reasoning behind why he was dating her didn't sit right with them.

Whether or not they are truly falling for each other at this point, I couldn't care less.

I wish them nothing but peace, but my road is my own, and I would prefer if my name and my girl's name no longer crossed with their world.

So I think the speaking negatively was that people obviously noticed the Louis thing, and I guess Louie must have spoken out.

I know Huda was like, well, what the fuck?

Why?

You know?

Uh-huh.

You know, she had some questions after that went public.

And I guess I said, I don't want to speak on her character or whatever, but I'm also like, I'm sure that there wasn't a

it didn't hurt that the fact that it's like the people from season six being related to Miguel and her being with Louie.

Like, I feel like she probably thought that this was going to be like a Love Island family.

Why isn't it?

Like, why don't do the girlies not follow Hudder?

Leah does follow Huda.

Leah does.

Okay.

So Leah follows Hudda, but yeah, I think it's the Louie of it all and the fact that

you're right.

Never mind.

So Leah does not follow.

I think so clearly Louie might have said some things that maybe made Miguel and even, you know, PPG think one thing.

And then now the fact that he's dating Huda, they're like, that doesn't align with like whatever the fuck you said to us.

Whatever, like they clearly are uncomfortable with the fact that he's now dating Huda based on previous actions or previous words that he said.

My big takeaway is like, because if we all quit on Beyond the Villa, like is anyone still, are you still one of those?

I'm one episode behind.

I haven't seen the new episode.

How is it?

I love it.

Is there any of this drama?

And by any of this, like,

obviously Kenny and Janae wouldn't be on it.

But, like, is there any, like, real?

No.

Is it just still looking at it?

It's just, like, fun, friendly.

It's like Olivia and Kayla have, like, made up.

But it's Connor and Janae.

Connor and Janae haven't gotten there yet, but, like, yeah.

But they haven't even gotten there?

They haven't made up.

But I'm like, I'm watching Aaron and Connor go surfing and talk about the birthday party.

Silly fun.

Yes, silly fun.

This is why, like, why, why this usually doesn't translate into successful tv shows like ultimately the the stars of love island have become internet stars right their fans are now following them on their social media things like that that's why it makes the women of the secret lives of mormon wives so awesome and dynamic because most of the time these like platforms hulu whatever netflix who are trying to follow these internet stars and say let's make a tv show out of them like they don't work because they again they're so brand conscious they're so like they're so like editing themselves they they don't want the drama but they want the like the attention and the women of secret lives are out there just like it doesn't stop if the cameras are up they're just living their lives and they may be dramatic online they're also dramatic in the when when they're filming a tv show they don't change course right like this is like this would be an you if this was a tv show the shit that's going like yeah that miguel's posting could y'all imagine if we had footage of like louis at like sitting on miguel and this couch like talking about talking about all this post.

Like it would be that would be.

Oh my God, we'd be just be, this would be amazing, but they don't want to do it.

They can't like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, and that's what makes those women of The Secret Lives just so amazing TV makers and professionals because they don't stop being authentic.

They don't start editing themselves as soon as like they get mic'd up and put cameras on.

Like they're just as authentic and genuine.

And that's why they're one of a kind.

You know, because you can't get this.

This is, this is the TV we want to see.

And we're getting like, you know, fake fights and surfing scenes and things like that.

And then they're going on their IG stories with the real TV that's not being filmed.

It is hard to like watch their social media and see what's going on online.

And then like, oh, new episode, tune in.

And it's like.

They're so cookie cutter.

And you're just like, oh.

Meanwhile, they're on Instagram stories being like, we don't follow this person.

And it's like, you know, even on Instagram stories, it does feel a little silly.

Like, I need, I need

a good one-liner from Leah on the show.

And I feel like we haven't haven't gotten that.

Like, you can.

Cloud demon.

Cloud demon.

Like, where is that?

I need a direct-to-camera holding the phone up and going, unfollow.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like a whole roundtable discussion of like when all the women got together on season six and they voted off Andrea.

Was it?

Was it Andrea?

And we all were like, what was the conversation that made them like vote?

I want that in terms of them unfollowing Louis.

And I want all the tea and why he's also a clout demon.

Right.

So we don't know.

That could all be in season two.

Maybe, I doubt maybe, but I feel like by then it's so old.

Yeah, I mean, they did a red carpet, they were at the premiere for weapons on Friday, and I mean, there's an amazing show

and Louie, but like my take is that Beyond the Villa should be live and edited the exact same way as Love Eyes, yeah.

Yeah,

that's so much.

That would be epic.

That's how they got to do it.

I don't know if you were watching Watch What Happens live, but uh, Kim Zolsiak was asked about Ariana's money and spending it.

Her daughter.

The daughter.

Not to be confused with Maddox.

Kim is spending, was spending her daughter's money.

The rug was pulled out from the Zolsiaks.

Ariana's money was spent on bills, to be honest.

I was left holding the bag for the family.

I was left with nothing, so I had to figure out fast.

The money I borrowed from Ariana, I paid her back for the bills and stuff.

Zolsiak promised that while she doesn't have the spreadsheets, Ariana will be reimbursed.

Wait, sorry.

She has paid her back, will be paid back.

She doesn't have the spreadsheets.

She was a bit tardy for the party in terms of paying her daughter back.

And was the daughter was in the crowd?

The daughter was in the crowd on a split screen and she was just staring.

She had a very stoic look.

Very much gave like, we'll be having a conversation after this of like, mom, you're lying.

Ariana's topic.

I actually do have a couple spreadsheets.

I've sent them to you every month for you to review.

I'm like, it's so sad, but I'm glad that like at least Ariana's back on top.

I just, I don't know what's going to happen with the fam.

And then asking about Brielle, the older daughter, being like, well, did she have to, and she's like, she paid

an electric bill, you know, every now and again.

To see it was just for your children.

The reason Ariana is so incredible on Next Gen is because it is so obvious that she did raise herself.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

She survived.

Yeah.

She survived.

And she, that girl, she's a survivor and she has it.

And by it, I mean factor, the it factor.

Yeah.

She does.

Not the pause.

Speaking of it factors, Jax, did you notice his reunion, Love?

Oh my God.

His little steps.

I mean, I feel like they've called him out for this so many more times, but this one is crazy.

It kind of brings me a little bit of joy because why would you need to wear lifts and sneakers for a show that's being filmed while you're sitting down?

Because you know they're taking a group photo after and he's like, oh, in that group photo, I better be like the tallest.

If I just couldn't want his feet.

His height on the internet says six foot.

Isn't he?

So you know what that means.

5'10.

5'10.

I haven't seen Jax

in person in maybe a decade, but.

I mean, have you seen the photo of the lifts?

I have.

That's a wedge.

That ain't a lift.

No, his ankle's buffed.

He said, I thought wedges were back.

Do you think his calves were sore afterwards?

Literally.

He's probably just trying to adjust every single time.

They're like, break.

They're like, he's like, okay.

Stretch off his legs.

It's crazy.

Well, he'll be gone.

Yes, and I couldn't be happier.

But then there was rumors of Tom Sandoval and Victoria.

And Victoria, which it's like, there's got to be more Bravo men.

No, there's got to be different Bravo men.

There's got to be someone else in the universe who we can get.

But I don't think Bravo is going to change.

And I think we just have to be realistic that Bravo isn't going to.

They're just going to continue to platform Toxic Men.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Sun has reported that Sheena Shea is a done deal to join the Valley cast after exposing husband Brock Davies' cheating past.

That's a wild headline.

That is the headline.

You do what you got to do for your family.

But we will have Sheena back for season three, full-time cast member.

The Sisifisian effort of Sheena Shea.

It's good as gold, baby.

It is good as gold.

Do you feel like

I would rather not talk?

I mean, like, we're just...

Well, like we said last week, like she's going to be on the show.

It's going to give you something.

I was like, Lala teased that she will also have a bigger role on this upcoming season of the Valley.

I fuck with Lala.

Yeah.

We need, if we're going to have Sheena, we definitely need Lala.

It's like a balance.

Yeah.

I would hope that we would get a little bit more.

What's their relationship like right now?

Lala and Sheena, I feel like you you don't really see them out together as much.

And they both have like next door neighbor houses in Palm Springs and whatnot.

I just feel like they're always together during Vanderpump.

Yeah, I feel like I see them post like their kids together a lot.

I do think they're like genuinely real life, really good friends.

There's nothing she won't say for attention.

And you know that's all she wants.

And there's so there's nothing you can say when we talk about this show that won't just like feel the beast.

But Jax Taylor is the same way and she's like, I don't like talking about Jax Taylor.

I know, to be clear.

But the thing is,

wouldn't you rather talk about Sheena than Jax?

I'm sure you want to like call him every name in the book and throw stuff at the TV.

That's what he says in every single cameo.

Yeah.

I'm sure you want to throw things at the TV and call him every name in the book.

Is Brock allegedly signed up or is he just along for the ride?

If Sheena is going to be a full-time cast member on the valley, you bet your ass we're getting some Brock dating.

But how does that work?

Does like Bravo just assume they get a free Brock

and all of his confessionals?

Like do they get like, I guess you got to talk about this.

This is interesting because Kristen Dodie just came out and said that she like doesn't fuck with Brock like at all.

That's great.

Oh yeah.

We have them on.

Do we know why?

She said he's not her cup of tea.

Awesome.

From like meeting, I think she's just never

the vibe that she wanted to besties with him.

Hey, guess what?

I can't wait to see it.

No, it's going to be a good season.

Do we know if Janet's coming back?

Probably.

Sure, throw her in there too.

At this point, Sheena.

If Sheena's there, I think Janet will definitely feel more comfortable.

She has

an ally.

It's going to be awesome.

Moving on.

Sadly, not forever.

Rachel Recchia is with us to talk about her perfect match experience and if this is her final run on reality TV or if she will maybe be back for more.

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Rachel, welcome back.

Thanks for having me.

So good to be with you.

How are you?

Why are you scared?

You guys were tough always.

On who?

I mean, you guys just say it how it is.

We're going to talk some shit today.

We're going to talk some shit today.

We love

your shit.

We were just talking about the Valley.

You watch The Valley.

I watch The Valley and I'm friends with a lot of the cast members.

Who are you friends?

I don't want to offend.

Who are you friends with?

I love Zach.

I'm friends with Brittany and Kristen.

Great.

Okay.

Are you excited to see Sheena?

Well, I did pay 15 US dollars to get the audio, but

I wanted to listen because I've seen all the rumors.

I'm like, let me figure this out myself.

Honestly.

$15 US dollars.

$15 U.S.

dollars.

I think it's smart.

Like, she held those cards so close to her chest and she revealed them the moment she needed to.

I'm sorry.

Like, well played.

She knows.

She said, well played.

You deserve it.

No, she definitely.

That's playing chess.

She collected.

She could have pulled that out during last season of VPA.

And then everyone would have hated her.

And she's like, oh, my God.

It's true.

Credit to Sheena.

She was like, it's not my time.

It's not my time.

And now it is.

And it got her cast.

And it got her on the valley.

You know what?

Give credit.

Well, credit.

Sometimes you've got to be like, these people are professionals.

That's true.

And that's exactly what she just did.

Speaking of being a professional, you are now a professional reality TV star.

No, I wouldn't say that.

I mean, look at my professional.

She was not really professional.

I think once you start getting paid,

you know, then you're a professional.

I mean, like,

how did netflix come to you being like hey girl perfect match yeah it was crazy i like the show i've watched seasons one and two and i was watching the second season and i got a call from my team and they were like would you take an interview and i was like how like i'm not on netflix they're like no this season like they're casting all outside and i was like oh yeah like that's so cool it's never been done in a dating form.

Yeah.

And I really wanted to be a part of the first time they did it.

So they had you at hello.

Yeah, I really wanted it, which was crazy because normally like with Paradise, I was like fighting.

I did not want to go.

And I was like, I don't know.

Okay.

Like maybe it'll be fun.

But this one, I was like, it just seemed like something more fresh and fun.

And I wasn't going to bring a bachelorette reputation into it.

Right.

Well,

but I really wanted to like start over and that's why I wanted to.

The show had different plans for you.

No, genuinely.

I really thought

I was going to be the only one because I I only knew one other person who interviewed and he turned it down.

So I was like, it's just

Blake.

I was like, isn't he married?

Hey, no, we need to kill him.

Janina and him are on a break so he could go into our McClass season four.

Okay.

I know she's part of the Netflix family, but I didn't know that close.

Yes.

Honestly,

is he safari right now?

Is that why he wasn't available?

I just think he was like very on the fence about it.

Like he just didn't know if it was right.

And y'all are just like strictly friends.

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh, how many?

I don't know how many more times I know.

But I'll be saying this for the rest of my life.

No, they're like, they get

their safari trips together.

He's like taking her out

of the ocean.

Yeah, we're like flying over the animals.

It was like, you know, those vibes.

Very romantic, but like, but not friends.

Yeah.

So at what point?

So when you didn't know that Clayton was going to be there, but you walked in and here is Freddie told me.

Freddy.

And he played it so cool we were on our date and he goes oh like the bachelor like whose season were you on and I'm like oh Clayton and Cindy just goes all right and then he like slowly told me he's like I just want to let you know when you walk in there he's there

and so Freddie's hot right yeah so hot right yeah and you were on a date with Freddy I was very lucky that was a amazing

day.

I saw him.

I'm like, oh, thank you.

That was great.

Nothing against Clayton, but it seemed like as though, though, from what we watched, that you were more interested in Clayton pursuing you than Hottie, Eddie.

Eddie.

Freddie.

Freddy, Eddie.

Does it really matter?

It doesn't matter the half.

It just literally

seemed very interested in you.

See, I don't know.

Like, I was very shocked watching back because in person, I think we both have a very like.

We're not bombshells by any means, which is crazy that we like were because I don't feel like we were like steal each other's man or girl like we're more passive

blink twice if you think he was afraid of madison i don't know if he was afraid but he definitely wanted to give it a shot and i think he in a way told me that where i was like all right i'm not even gonna really push this like if you come to me you come to me but it seemed more of he's like not open that's the right word like he wasn't open really and then i heard all the what he said in interview and i was like was that about me or like i don't know if it was because it was very shocking it came across as like he was going to match with you.

And then you came to him being like, I don't know.

Oh, I was freaking out.

That probably didn't help my cause.

My friends weren't very happy watching that.

They're like, you didn't sit down with Freddie again.

Like, you're going and freaking out.

I was upset.

I was upset.

You were.

Yeah.

Freddy's hot.

Yeah.

And Madison, again, haven't met her, don't know her on camera from Love is Blind, Minnesota.

And this, she just seems a little toxic.

You know, like the definition of hurt people, hurt people.

Like, what was the, like, who's the first guy that she was matched up with?

Cody.

Cody.

And then, like, she decided not to like him.

And then she, like, called him disgusting.

But if you get a chance to match up Freddie, do you really blame her?

Like, I would have taken that shot, too.

I don't know.

Yeah, as her being, like, yeah, and he's fucking disgusting.

Yeah, that's what's happening.

It sounds like she just...

She instantly talks shit about like whoever she's lost interest in to the point of like she want she she comes across on TV as that she wants to hurt people I was gonna say emotionally

hurt people or accuse them of shit.

Like, she just, she comes across as the definition of hurt people, hurt people.

Like, I'd be like, I'm so glad Clayton didn't match with her.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, can you imagine?

That kind of would have been fun to watch.

I will say, I think she's a bit misunderstood.

I think she's been through a lot.

I believe that.

But again, that I believe.

She also didn't see me as like a threat because Freddy picked.

Well, you know, once Freddy like picked her, she was like, okay.

So I feel like she was definitely very like, she felt comfortable around me.

And I'm just winning her.

I'll find find you.

I mean, she, she was great.

I don't know what happened with Cody before because that was all before I got there.

So much went on.

Breathe on her wrong or something.

Before I got there.

So I will not know.

You'll have to ask.

Listen, we are, we have defended Clayton.

We love Clayton.

We love Clayton.

We are rooting for Clayton's overall happiness in life.

Of course, me too.

I genuinely.

He did.

Yes.

Was crazy.

Was not defendable.

Unforgivable.

Oh,

I mean, for me, it was.

It was.

It's It's just my kind of like,

you kept saying this is the third time.

What was the second time?

The first time was the Rose Ceremony from Hell.

No, I remember that.

Everyone tried to leave that night.

The way we were convinced to stay that, like, everyone tried to leave.

Gabby left.

We all got to stay for one day.

The next day broke up with us in the room at the same time.

That's a second.

That's two.

Yeah.

That's two.

The first time it was like, well, I slept with all of you or I was in love with all of you.

How did you get convinced to stay?

Come on.

I sat in a room to be an ITM.

Rachel, come on.

Rachel, you're not going to leave it.

You're running away with this, babe.

Let's just.

I'm like, okay.

He needed to fuck them so he could know.

It was you.

And I was like, you're right.

I know he loves me.

He said it to me first.

I'm like,

he just got confused.

He doesn't mind.

Fantasy.

Like, I was delusional.

You guys watch how delusional I was.

I was like, Rachel, I was a runner-up twice.

Two separate seasons.

I can't even imagine

what happened.

I left, went back to reality, came back, and let the same thing happen.

He was going to win both times.

You just had, you just had, like, you had 24 hours of, like, still, like, never really out of Dululand.

Every time I was with Glenn, I'd go back into a state of...

absolute delusion.

Like, I don't know what else to just say.

What does he smell like?

Is it really that good?

I don't know.

I think he's got that pheromone hormones scent thing.

I think it really is everything that happened at the end of our season.

Your trauma.

And it's just this, like, need for, or I don't know if it's like internal where I just am like, you made the wrong decision.

Like, and now you finally see it.

Yeah.

Like,

it would have made sense if you would have agreed.

Like, that's what's so fucked up about it.

Like, the reality is, is most people who are watching Perfect Match, I'm guessing like 2% of the audience, like, knows the lore behind, like, you and Clayton.

Like, we know it.

Like, obviously, no one on the cast knew.

No one on the cast knows.

Most of the Netflix audience are like, they're just like, whatever.

I don't care.

But like we know, right?

But like, we wanted Clayton to pursue you.

You go, yes.

And then the next day you say, my intuition or whatever, what did he say?

I don't can't even.

He says, my intuition told me to dump you for a third time.

It's like, that's my feelings.

Things are speaking to me in the night and they're telling me this is not good.

He really wants to be a good guy.

I think, and genuinely,

again, I'm not going to speak that ill, but we're going to say it how it is.

I think he came on this show because he did want that redemption.

And I'm the easiest path to it.

Like that was right in front of him.

And he saw it.

I think he saw it.

And the next day, he's like, oh, I genuinely, I can't do it.

Cause it wasn't even when I told you that night, we didn't even speak.

Like him saying, like, oh, we had the night.

And then we had this blindfolded kiss that I barely knew it was him.

I kind of touched his shirt and kind of knew it was him.

Like, I was scared.

Like, and then you're saying there isn't chemistry there.

I'm like, we didn't even talk last night.

We talked about your spiritual journey and how production style is different.

Like, how do you, you didn't even try to get to know me.

He said, he said, we're both better versions of ourselves.

I definitely am.

That was like a nice thing to say.

And you're like, you know what?

We

owe it to each other.

You said everything happens for a reason.

And that's my screensaver.

Oh my God.

Please, I watch that back.

I don't think I remember that happening.

I was just sitting there like

you laughed after, and it was like, you know, that you're like, fucking God.

I was so confused.

And not to mention, this is the first conversation I had in the house.

And immediately he's like, let's match.

I'm like, no.

And he loves to do that.

What is happening?

I was like, I haven't talked to a single, I didn't talk to any of the men that night because I was so confused and just like terrified.

Yeah.

But yeah.

And he had a good thing going.

Like Juliet.

No, I don't think he liked Juliet.

And And I think Juliet liked somebody else.

She was ready to.

No, she want poor Juliet.

Every time she tried to interrupt Clayton and someone, he was like, sorry.

No.

She's like, this isn't how this is supposed to work.

Juliet refreshed.

She was.

Juliet was like, I never watched The Bachelor.

She knew a lot about The Bachelor, even about like the whole, like, can I steal you?

Like, she was like.

Yeah, she's like,

they had sex and they had feelings.

And I'm like, oh.

But I don't watch.

And she never will.

No, it was, he first went to Madison.

It was like, we should match.

And Madison was like, I don't, I think I'm going to with Cody.

And he was like, okay.

And then matched with Juliet.

And then he came and he's like, I think we should match.

And then on a date with Sandy, he's like, and I feel like we should match.

See, I didn't know any of this.

So you're the only one who said yes.

Juliet said yes.

I didn't know he asked Sandy on her.

I didn't know that happened.

I didn't know any of this.

I didn't know what he was saying in interview because to me, he was like, oh, like it was very like performative mercy.

Like, I'm going to give you the season and I'm going to put you on a date and step away.

And then he's in his interview.

I'm trying to put myself on a date.

Tomorrow, Rachel's going home.

Bags are packed.

And I'm like, you told me this is for me.

Like,

what do you think Clayton's version is going to be when we talk to him if he shows up?

I think he's going to say that he was just so shocked by my reaction and that

it just startled him and just seeing me got him like feeling feelings from the past that weren't really there.

What I don't understand is

why

you obviously y'all are all living in a house.

Y'all could have like continued to like chat and catch up, not being matched.

Genuinely.

And I'm like, you could have let me walk out.

Like, I could have been like, you would have matched with Freddie.

Freddie was ready to match.

I don't know.

I really, I'm telling you, being there, I don't know.

But yeah, I didn't try again.

Like, me and Freddie had no conversations once we got to the house because I was so like i don't know the right

time to prepare

yeah at least freddie gave you a heads up and you like had time to can you imagine if you didn't you honestly walked in so iconic being like i'm gonna go say hey to them and we'll talk like i'll talk

i walked in thinking it was gonna be i went to paradise with avon who i had you know fallen in love with on my season so i was like okay this is gonna be similar where it's like we'll have a conversation you do you i'll do me and i sat down and you could see like i'm like laughing and then it goes straight into like, I feel like we should match.

I'm like, oh, God, okay, I didn't see this.

I didn't see this happening.

I did not see it coming.

So what did you guys do that night?

We talked about

the difference between The Bachelor and this show.

Sure.

What's happened so far and his spiritual journey.

What was that?

Like that he's just been on a journey and it's healed him, which I, I do think he's changed, but I think the same decision making is what's getting him in trouble and that hasn't changed.

I think that's it.

Yeah, it makes sense.

He's definitely well-intentioned.

Those intentions.

Those intentions.

But yeah, he,

and what's crazy is I think he thinks things through.

I think he thinks things through.

Why do you think you do?

Well,

I mean, he thinks them through.

from his perspective.

For like, not a long time, though.

Not into the future, not past 12 hours.

Yeah.

He's not a psychic.

He can't predict his feelings.

I think he's like, I don't know, I'm feeling this right now.

And like, Rachel, I think we should break up.

The way he just earnestly was just like, my intuition just changed.

And it was the same exact, like, I will never forget the way he looked coming into Gabby's hotel room.

Like that look.

And he came back for the date, the same exact look.

He goes, Rachel, come here, talk upstairs.

And I'm like, oh.

My God.

I literally was like, am I wrong?

Am I wrong?

He goes upstairs and starts telling me that.

I'm like, get away from me.

I'm like, I'm so upset because it's more than just like, oh my gosh, this stings, this breakup.

It's like, you're humiliating me.

You know that you're doing this.

You know that I have a willingness to forgive you.

And you take advantage of it.

Like, he really does.

I mean, the fact that he sat there and was like trying to convince you in a way of like.

this doesn't just happen.

Like the universe put us both here and like we're missing.

And I'm like, yeah, you're together.

Like I've got to try.

At least I think he sees it through that lens.

Like I think.

But only for 12 hours.

Whatever the reason.

But, like, we, Clinton's been through a lot.

We know this.

Like, his journey on reality TV is the most unfortunate.

It's up there.

So I think when he sees, like, when he shows up and he sees Rachel there, not to, like, but he's, yeah, I think he's just like the guy who has everything happens for a reason as a screensaver is just more like,

this is destiny.

We should like, oh my God, this is a second chance.

I can, you know, and then, and then he wakes up and he's like, holy shit.

and then he tries to be honest in that moment and he just can't i know but i feel like he was also like doing a bit of like revisionist history like

oh everyone saw thought we had chemistry but i couldn't see it i'm like clayton you gave me every single group date rose i could possibly see when you said that i was like what do you mean and then one you tried to give me and they said no like what and then you guys then you slept her there and then you told her you loved her and then you screamed it from a balcony and then you begged me to say and then you asked my dad to marry me and he goes i didn't see it i'm like were we on the same station?

No.

And then after the kissing challenge on Perfect Match, he's like, I gave her a six.

And that's like, we must not.

I'm like, Clayton, I only knew it was you because I felt your shirt, babe.

Like, I'm like, and I know how to play the game.

I'm scared.

Like, we are sitting there in the heat on a platform with headphones on.

I'm kissing every girl's boyfriend.

It's my first day sober.

Like, of course I'm going to be a bad kisser.

What do you mean?

Like, if I was a good kisser, I'd be scared.

and also you it's it i've said this before on love island when they do these blindfold kisses it's like you startled me right like now i'm nervous

like i didn't know you were here yet i can't see you i can't feel you like i don't know what's happening were the guys did the guys go right in with the tongue no not it felt like everything i did was very like slow it's funny too because they

said that um like i was louis worst kiss and you can ask if it wasn't me because we all know who it was because he makes fun of her he's like you went in straight with the tongue.

And she's like, God forbid a girl catches a vibe.

Like, I just feel like those, I've never done anything like that.

Bachelor doesn't do that.

So I was very like slow.

And I am, you know, I'm excited to see you continue on this show and see your like, you know,

what did we learn about Lucy that she likes butt plugs or something?

Vibrating, vibrating butt plugs.

Like, I'm excited to learn things about you.

Thank you.

So I hope you open up.

You got to be less rigid, girl.

Maybe yours and Lucy is really writing blood.

I'm curious watching about I felt Daniel overreacted when Lucy made out with Ollie.

Yeah.

Now I get it.

I get it.

Like Ollie has a big old beard and stuff.

The challenge wasn't find your partner, though.

Calm down.

Like

they did not say

find Daniel.

We're on a show where we allow other couples to break up your relationship.

And also it's day maybe four at this point, maybe four.

um but that argument that wasn't even like that went on for a long time that started the moment we got in the van

and and that's what they showed is a short clip really what does he mean i just feel like dan

lucy is just she's my closest friend on the show we're still so close and like she's so sweet and i feel like she's so willing to forgive as well And she wanted to make things work and kind of didn't want to upset him.

But it seems like he he got very embarrassed easily because of the boys.

Like the boys were so close.

And I think knowing that Ollie got that higher rating like set him off.

And he would just take it out on Lucy.

Yeah.

Could you just imagine losing your mind because you got a nine?

He's like, the point is the beard.

The point is the beard.

That wasn't, she gave Ollie a 10 because he's a 10.

It wasn't you.

He liked, she liked it.

I mean, like, it's like a kiss.

It's a kiss.

I think there was also like a hug that happened now that confused her, if I remember correctly.

That's on him.

Right.

I think there was a point where she was like, okay.

But then he hugged her and she was like, oh, so it's good.

So is that Daniel?

Like, I think she got really good.

And it's like, it's disorienting.

Like, it really is.

The beard, like, you would think you would, like, feel everybody.

And he does have scruff.

Yeah, they all, I mean, Clayton did.

Well, and to be fair, I'm like, how many times do, like, if you haven't seen somebody, like, like, you saw somebody that week and then it's like, do they have a mustache?

I don't know.

Right.

Yeah.

I spent six hours looking at their face.

I don't know if they have a mustache.

So early when that happened.

So if I'm disoriented, eyes covered, head cut, like, you know, I'm just making out to make out.

Did Alex come in just bragging about threesomes or is that just how it was edited?

So I, that

fuck, that aired like way after.

So I had no idea about the threesome, but she came in like a bombshell.

Like she was going to steal your man.

I remember seeing her and I'm like, you're going to put us in at the same time.

I'm like, come on.

This is so not fair.

But she came in and she made, I think, all the boys question for a minute.

But this season, it's very like,

if you're not there day one, it's really difficult to make a connection in the house.

That's kind of giving Bachelor in Paradise as well this season.

Are you watching that?

Yeah, unfortunately.

What do you think?

Trauma?

No, not trauma at all.

I just am like really disappointed for everyone I know that went on because I think it had so much potential and it feels like it's really Rachel Recke is the new showrunner.

What does she do?

No, I don't know she said don't put that on me she's like i don't i didn't apply actually

so but don't have only six people on the beach six people there's a rose ceremony every four hours jill had 24 hours she said her and susie it's it's great normally you get three days right i don't know jill was only there for 24 hours no she got to stay remember but that first rose ceremony it happened with within she went in the night before yeah the next day was

it's happening too fast yeah and it's just there's you can't six people on the beach.

Well, you can't really make genuine connections because at the end of the day, you're just trying to stay.

Like maybe somebody that I am excited about right now.

Do you like seeing the goldens mixed in?

I do, but it's like hard because I don't like them seeing hurt and heartbroken.

And it feels like this isn't as wholesome.

We're watching the normal show.

It's very like we hear their stories and then they go home and it's sad, but like seeing them get rejected or not get the person they want is not entertaining for me.

Yeah.

Honestly, I was kind of with Jeremy when he was like, I hate the goldens.

On the TV show?

It's it, yeah.

I don't know.

I love the nostalgia of the golden bachelor and the bachelorette and the reminder that there's life after 60, you know, and you can fall in love and whatever.

But like, just.

Not in this context, not watching April make out with Sean.

Or it should have been two separate seasons, I feel like.

Yes.

Where it's like, so we can do the wholesome dates and whatnot and then do like the like, let's get down and dirty.

What I'm finding to be just insane is that we have, this is the first time we're actually watching our contestants like do something, like compete.

Like how have every season beforehand, we've just been watching everyone sit on the beach?

We were pretty entertaining back then.

I was going to say, who's the girl that like lost her lot, her, her luggage and then was just like.

talking to the camera randomly just being like i can't find my luggage i have no like it was just like some of the most unhinged scallop fingers it used to be a comedy yeah it used to be funny

but still here like, everyone is still here for the right reasons and still wants to find a connection.

And I think this is the first season we're seeing it where people are like,

I'm here kind of for the game.

I like one of Rose.

And it's allowed where before

you could not ever

go on a bachelor's show.

That's true.

I do.

I mean, first of all, I know we'll get into Paradise with Bailey a little bit more, but like that

challenge.

So much to say about that.

Well, you're here.

I feel so bad for Bailey that she still doesn't know.

You know what it's like to be.

I am the number one Susie leftovers, please.

Just change my name to that.

That's crazy.

Not only the leftovers, but he continues to talk about Susie on this show.

She's

on, and I will promote her tomorrow.

Susie, I don't know what you got.

Susie got that piece of me.

I was going to say, I don't know what's going on down there.

She didn't even need to use it on The Bachelor.

It's something more.

She's a witch.

She was, she is.

She's a witch.

She's sick.

That's crazy.

No, the fact that Jeremy is just operating under the fact that, like, that never happened.

And he's just

fully saying it in front of the camera.

Yeah.

Like, these hidden cameras, he did not think it wasn't a hidden camera.

It was like in the corner.

There was a chair on the isn't it like the stationary one?

So you're not ITM.

He was what do you got?

No, when he called her.

He saw she's talking about when He was in the room with the boys saying I want to pose.

He didn't think they were going to use that

or that they could hear it.

Genuinely, because that was something I had to get used to.

Was like, I've been seeing footage.

I'm like, oh, don't remember that.

Like, that must have happened.

I'll tell you when your mic pack is off.

And then he goes and tells him, anyways.

Like, oh, what did he do?

It was hot, Mike.

If you're not 50 feet into the ocean

with your top off

under the water.

Facing the sea, you know?

They will catch it.

They'll catch it.

No, that, I mean, I mean, what are your thoughts on Brian?

That fantasy suite with Parisa was scary.

He's a dick.

That's dramatic.

That was actually scary.

What's your favorite color?

And he got mad about.

Oh, my God.

You know what they should have done in that challenge?

They should have asked.

Brian, like, what is Parisa's favorite color?

Oh, no, it asked Parisa.

Well, they're asking all the men the questions.

And then he would have been, it would have been like, you motherfucker.

I told you.

We should have answered those questions.

That That was, he's mean.

He's not nice.

The one you did is Zoe to, like, just the 180.

He doesn't like a compliment.

Don't tell him his hair looks nice.

Don't tell him he looks good today.

Don't tell him you're happy to see him.

This is me being brutally honest.

No, we're aware.

No, yeah.

He's like, yeah, I'm just being brutally honest.

No.

Okay.

I would like to see you try delivering it soft.

What does that look like?

Genuinely.

So scary.

So there's no part of you that wishes you did Paradise instead of Perfect Match.

No.

It would have been great if you would would have done both and you would have been on it.

You literally would have been simultaneously.

I would no, no.

The first when I did paradise, I was like, oh, I had a great time.

I loved it, but I had no business being on that beach.

Like, let's be so for real.

So, no, it was, it was, it's a tough watch.

What do you think of Louis?

I love Louis.

Okay.

What's happening now is crazy.

You're talking about the whole like Isla Miguel.

What's your read?

I don't know their relationship, but it feels like, I mean, by them, you mean Louis and Miguel.

Yeah, and Leah.

I don't know how far that goes.

I love him as a person.

I think he's amazing.

I get along with him so well.

He's such good TV, but it just feels like kind of selfish a little bit to like, I mean, Sandy and him have such a good connection on the show.

And it's like now people are kind of seeing things of like, oh, what's going on now?

Have you talked to Sandy?

How she's feeling?

No, I mean, I think that that sucks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that's been true.

I'm sure you guys have talked about it.

Had that been going on?

I didn't know until I saw it on TikTok.

Because I just assume there's no perfect match, you know?

I mean, that's kind of hard.

I will say this.

I feel like a lot of people are under the assumption that, like, no, there's a lot still going on.

Like, even just from that Netflix event, like, there's a lot happening.

What happened at the next joke event?

Oh, my God.

There's might have been more drama at that Netflix event.

We didn't say more.

We were there.

Why weren't we, why weren't we privy to the drama?

The drama.

Because we stayed at home.

You're better than everyone.

And I wasn't even at that hotel.

Like, I didn't even stay there.

What went on?

There's still stuff going on it's not it might have been a year ago but with who with who just given maybe me you don't have to tell us the what tell us the who i don't know do you know how sandy felt about uh louis and hudda i does she feel i actually don't i you're gonna have no

way

but for me i'm like that's just disappointing okay yeah how do you feel about it i just am like it's literally airing you we have what maybe two weeks right you couldn't wait until maybe leave some it feels like a little selfish yeah just because people are like watching and i think it affects the whole cast of like people being like oh why would i watch then right because all these couples like we already know about ad and ollie but there is more but well at least with ad and ollie like we love

genuinely pregnant together building a family

like

i'm fine with that spoiler yeah

yeah i didn't know that oh my god living underground they're just making a family i just remember the last was it love is blind or whatever when they came out and announced the podcast that they were that they were engaged yeah and i was like okay great and i love that you're seeing it from the very get-go that they were just like drawn to each other but yeah i didn't realize that so much has happened and they go through it on the show too like they they test their relationship yeah so it's not like it's all weird alex yeah

alex and justine like they went through it

for them to be on the other side yeah it's like watching it back you watch them build and grow and have to have hard conversations what did you think of jr he was very

intense

Very sexual.

Like they even, oh my God, they cut out this one part and it was crazy.

Like he came back and was talking about his date with AD and we were all just sitting on the couch and I don't remember what the conversation was, but he's like, you know, AD, ass and tits.

And we're like, every single person on the couch was like, what?

And that was just his approach going in.

Like,

sexual.

He started us with the biophiles, actually.

He started using.

His biggest turn-on is what?

Stealing your girl kind of thing.

That is what he said.

His biggest turn-on is stealing your girl and then like watching your man fight what watching them struggle struggle to get her back yeah i'm like okay cool that's your biggest turn on cool bro like tell him they're toxic without telling us no he told us he told us that was crazy but him and sandy do have a lot of history and it's not even over like there is more to that story as well so i wonder if they would have approached things differently had ultimatum already aired before they went on perfect match like if they would have already known the public's perception of their relationship had they you know i mean there's more to it like it's not over it's not over so what happened in the netflix party can't tell you why well i'll tell you after who i can't tell you without it all making sense no lots of people

you know fighting who's fighting couples getting back together so any chance with uh you and and freddy maybe not freddy

But who knows?

Why?

Why wouldn't you date Freddy?

Freddie calls me.

She might be talking to someone.

She's Oh.

Oh.

Carrington?

I don't know.

Can we get a letter?

Who could it be?

Well, she's currently with Scott.

It could be Scott.

Scott?

Love Island?

No, it's not Scott Island.

Love Island.

Who knows?

Well, he was on Love Island, but now he's with Rachel.

There's three Love Island guys.

We'll say that.

I don't know which one, though.

Oh.

It's Scott.

Okay.

Leia, have we asked Rachel all the relevant questions?

Well, I mean, speaking of Scott, I am curious to know if you clocked him taking the last seat on the couch and not giving it to you.

I know.

Watching that back was actually so sad, but Madison was really sweet.

She liked got up, pulled something over for me.

But in the moment, I think I was just like, I don't even think I recognized it happening.

But a lot of the things he said and did, I was like, oh my God, that was so mean.

But we were having fun, which is all that matters.

But no, that was actually crazy.

It could be, maybe he apologized.

You guys know I love a second chance and a third and a fourth.

I am just so full of forgiveness.

I mean,

Carrington.

That's what I'm guessing.

It's not Carrington.

That's really cute.

I do love that.

I don't know.

It could be Ray.

Is it Ray?

It's not Ray.

You're trying to see your diagnostic direction.

I don't know, you guys.

My intuition knows that it's Carrington, okay?

That's really cute.

I love that for you.

Are you a Nicolache fan?

I do like Nicolache, but I don't feel like I relate to him like I do to Jesse.

Like, he has a relationship with us.

I don't feel like Nick.

Nick didn't.

I mean, he did say hey.

Yeah.

But Jesse, like, you know, he's just such a great host.

So it's hard to compete.

I'm just a big Jesse Palmer man.

Although Jesse did kind of let kind of Jesse's fault what happened to you with Clayton.

Yeah.

And then he went to eat at the hotel across the street.

We still joke about it.

He goes, I said, hi to you.

And I went and let the whole place blow up.

That was like,

was that Jesse's first season?

Yes, his first bachelorette and bachelor season was.

Because then he like came down.

He was like, all All right, well, good luck.

He sent me and Gabby up the stairs and all hell broke loose.

He's like, Well, that sounds like that sucks.

I'm gonna go get some shrimp

genuinely.

Are you

thinking of like hooking anyone, any of these guys up with Genevieve?

I'm always thinking about hooking guys up with Genevieve.

I don't know.

I would actually say she would probably be

she would like Louie.

She would like Daniel.

I don't know.

I feel like those are maybe the only two that are kind of her type.

Is Freddy in a relationship with someone?

Is that why you refuse to?

I mean, he also does like, he lives in the UK, right?

I will say, I do really

like Freddy with someone.

They're not, but I could look back and see him doing really well in a relationship with someone on the cat.

Okay.

But does it mean that they're not seeing someone?

Like, everyone is kind of in a weird situation, but maybe him and Madison are still together.

I hope not.

We can't give any spoilers.

I'm going to, Netflix is going to sue me.

we definitely hope not god that would be

sweet freddy they were really like him i thought him and madison like listen were one of our the most toxic relationships always start off great i know but they don't do anything toxic really like what do they do that's toxic that's because freddy's an angel like even when um they were ripping him away from her like he wrote her a no and i gave sounds like freddy

it was really no freddy's really sweet he's a really good guy he's really sweet like he is as sweet as he looks wait i have one more question for Rachel.

Okay.

So when Juliet left, she said to the cameras, one thing I know for sure, Clayton and Rachel are boring.

Have you spoken to Juliet since?

And like, how did that make you feel?

I will say this.

I do love Juliet.

I think with Juliet, she definitely, she spent her life on reality TV in a way I cannot understand.

Like that was like her real life for years.

So I think when she is filming, She's like in a different she's making TV.

She's making TV.

And I can respect that because because i think what juliet says about me isn't how juliet actually feels maybe she'll come sit here and be like i hate rachel but i'm trying to look at her more as like a tv maker yes i'll say that character under you know you really have i have yeah i don't feel like i have look at me crying she you used to really hate nick yeah no because you were no but you were mean and you made this full video about how i didn't like avid and i really loved avid and i was like this is wrong

i I remember that video.

And I was like, he's saying, you were saying how I didn't like David.

And I only liked Tino.

And I was trying to make it Avon's fault.

And then everyone agreed with you.

And I was like, no, Avin 180.

And I freaked out.

And I just was like, all right.

But the same, the same premise with Juliet, that she's just, she's just, she's just working.

She's just like I was working though.

No, you weren't then.

But now you understand that you are working with people who are working.

I understand that from doing Netflix.

I never experienced that on the batch.

Interesting.

Why?

The Love island people especially they

they know what they are doing and i come from a mindset of like even though this is all real fine all genuine i still genuinely like want to find a a man like a boybrider like this could be something for me and it's fun but they are like i gotta get a bet so next week and i'm like

what's the prize isn't it no you're right though because like with on bachelor it is just ingrained into you that you you have to be genuine you cannot have the wrong intentions and so you're just like ingrain it into yourself yourself that like i am only here for love don't anyone question genuinely though but i feel like that like i i still am there because i do

sure but like you can simultan i think in bachelor roll you can simultaneously be open to meeting people and genuinely want to meet someone and also recognize that like you signed up for a tv show yeah but this one it's just very out in the open it feels like have you noticed difference in fans netflix fans versus bachelor nation fans i feel like it's been a really slow slow start.

Like, I'm not even really seeing anything of what people think.

I'm like, what do people think about the show?

I feel like it's.

No, maybe you're just not looking.

I don't know if I don't search for it, but normally with Bachelor, it's like it's right in your face and people tell you how they feel.

I haven't really seen much so far.

Well, you're going to stick around for Bailey?

Yeah.

Great.

Up next, Bailey joins us to talk about her feelings regarding the whole Susie journey of it all and

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Bailey, welcome to the show.

Calling in from Portugal, apparently.

From Portugal.

How are you guys?

We're great.

Great to be with you.

First off, what are you doing in Portugal?

So I live here part-time.

My mom and my sister live here.

We've lived here for a few years and

I just come every few months and try to stay for as long as I can until they kick me out of the country.

So nice.

It's so nice.

I've never been to Portugal.

You recommend?

Oh my God, you have to come.

It's, it's literally the best.

All you do is like drink wine, eat good food.

I shop a lot, do some sightseeing.

It's, it's really, a really easy way of life.

I love it here.

My dream day.

Cute.

I actually saw Jeremy post.

I think he's in Portugal.

A few people have actually like been from our cast have been in town this summer.

So it's been like fun.

I've like gotten to see a few people.

Sean Sean was just here a few days ago.

So yeah, it's been nice.

I feel like as people like pop in, they like ask me for Rex and then I like send them on their way.

But it's a really like, it's an easy spot to like come visit, especially.

Well, you know what, BIP stands for Bachelor in Portugal.

So, you know, Bachelor in Portugal.

Everyone's coming.

Actually, I have promised Kathy a trip.

So when I did like Bachelor Happy Hour, I promised Kathy.

and Susan that we would go on a like on a Portugal trip.

So I need to like fulfill my promise very soon.

We will know like that.

We're going to be there tomorrow, actually.

Red Eyes, if you're handing out invites, we'll take a couple.

Well, Bayley, we've absolutely been enjoying you on Bachelor in Paradise this season.

You've been a class act.

You've been the epitome of honesty and straightforwardness,

a great communicator.

The man that you are currently hanging out with seems to be the opposite of that.

Rachel is here, is here because we were talking some perfect match.

She's also a fan of Bachelor in Paradise.

Obviously, we saw the previews for next episode where it seems like maybe shit might hit the fan, but you are watching it along with us.

And I am curious, like, what was it like for you a few weeks back going on the date that you were asked to go on, that you had every right to say yes to?

It is Bachelor in Paradise.

It seems like it's about testing the relationship.

And as soon as that happened, Jeremy freaks out, goes full Susie Evans, calls her bags, kicking, screaming, crying, throwing up, just like needs Susie back in his life, gets rejected by Susie, then tells his boys he's like dead set.

He's ready to propose.

He's in love.

He's in love with Susie Evans.

Doesn't happen.

And then you come back from the date, and it's as if it never happened.

How was that for you watching it back?

Yeah, let's start there.

Yeah, I mean, I think everyone can relate.

Watching it back is such an interesting

thing.

I feel like you're watching it happen in real time.

You have no idea all these things happened.

I honestly was like, I think so focused on Bachelor in Paradise when I was there.

I really wasn't thinking about watching it back later.

It's definitely been hard to watch it back.

I'm obviously not going to lie.

Like it's been rough to watch these happen.

And you know how you felt in the moment.

It's hard because you're also seeing how other people feel in the moment.

Obviously, like Rachel, you can relate to this.

Not everything is like always shown during paradise.

There's so many different relationships forming and things happening that they only have enough time to like, you know,

show a little bit of peace of everyone.

If, I mean, like two episodes ago, all I got was gum sharing.

So really, I was like, I was happy to be like out of the limelight for a little bit.

And I like.

I understand the like thoughts of doubt.

I feel like that was really hard to watch somebody, you know, doubt you when you know how you're feeling.

but I also feel like you know I have to just like be okay watching it back and just having I just have to be okay processing it because like you know I'm remembering how I felt in the moment and I don't regret my feelings and how I was moving so like I just I honestly just have to be like content with like where I was and just focus on me and my feelings coming off of this episode just like remembering how good our date was and things like that.

I feel like that's what I'm trying to keep in the back of my head.

It's also like, it's such a short time.

Like it seems like it's such a long time and it's kind of a short amount of time.

And so you're really having to process those feelings.

And I mean, I wish Jeremy didn't process them out loud, but I guess I also just like have to be okay because like I don't regret like going on our date and all these things.

You know what I mean?

I'm still glad I went on the date with Andrew.

I feel like I wanted to make sure no matter when I left paradise that I would leave with no regrets.

And if I didn't fulfill it to, you know, if I didn't do as much as I could, then I would have definitely like had moments of doubt as well.

And so I feel like they kind of just like sneak up on you.

And

it's a hard watch, no matter what.

That makes sense.

And obviously you seem like a very classy person and you're being classy.

I think the

what confuses most people though is like, I'm assuming you wish that Jeremy would have told you sooner or that he would have moved differently and been more transparent.

It's one thing for him to, like you said, like maybe he was just having a moment.

He was kind of sharing those feelings out loud to everyone including us and the cameraman but it was just more that he shared it with everyone but you he's just operating as if like this is the only right like if he's not doing anything wrong

where it's almost like why why why would i tell her you know like it's none of your business like stay out of me and bailey's relationship kind of energy but maybe you see it differently i mean i feel like it's hard i think in the moment i wish that you know definitely i would have known like he was having these feelings of doubt.

I don't necessarily know that they would have like changed how our relationship progressed.

I feel like we would have progressed the same way.

I mean, I do feel like, you know, there's moments where we had a lot of like open and honest communication.

And I can't like speak to where his mental was and like where his head is at, obviously.

Of course, I wish that, you know, I would have been told about the phone call immediately.

I wish that my friends would have told me about the phone call.

It does suck when like everyone's in on something something and you're not.

It's like, it's a, that's a really hard processing.

I feel like that's kind of what I'm processing right now is like, you know, the idea that like I was the last person to find out.

And it's hard.

I think there's so much going on that sometimes you don't think that things are critical for people to know.

And

it's also hard.

Like we're also in the beginning stages of, you know, getting to know each other and knowing each other deeper.

And I think sometimes what people feel like is an important factor like i think for a lot of my friends as to maybe why they didn't tell me um they like just didn't think that i wanted to know we we definitely had a conversation after my date with andrew where i don't think it was shown on camera but we just spoke to each other and i was just like you know do you want to know about my date with andrew he said he didn't want to know i said i didn't want to know about his date with susie he asked me after his date if i wanted to know about the date I had like no desire to know about the date because like honestly it's like what can you do after like I don't care if you guys kiss you guys didn't kiss it doesn't matter how many times you guys made out like that's not really gonna change where we are now so I feel like I don't know what what I think is important for people to know not necessarily everyone else does and so I think I'm also trying to be like give everyone grace and understanding of everyone having you know of everyone not telling me him included I wish that he would have told me I wish that it like obviously wasn't Brian um I think Brian's like a good person I don't have anything against him but yeah, obviously you want the person that you're like involved with to tell you or you want the people closest to you to tell you, you know?

So yeah, it is like it's a hard watch no matter what.

What do you make of Brian's behavior towards Parisa and his

it really Brian seems to be like top guy in the sense that like a lot of these men really seem very sensitive when it comes to their very particular ways of dating.

Brian being the most sensitive and he just kind of comes across across as a dick a little bit.

Not sure if you saw that being on the beaches of paradise, but like, you know, he just seems to be very dismissive and short with Parisa.

And I wonder if you saw that energy on the beach or is that something that is surprising you watching it back?

Okay, so I feel like the thing is I definitely, there were moments where you noticed that like people's relationships are just having, you know, little, little things.

I definitely knew about his like mini little like, I don't want to call it a freak out, but his like little mini situation.

I didn't know in depth.

I didn't know it was like about colors or things.

You know, there's, we're also seeing a small part of their date.

They obviously had like a whole night in the VIP, VIP suite.

Um, but like, I definitely think there's moments where people's energies shift and maybe they're just like overwhelmed.

I can tell you, like, Birds of Paradise was like the most overstimulating night of my life.

There was so much going on.

We, you know, we had, everyone was like having a little drink here and there.

It was a long night.

I do feel like, you know, him and Prisa like matched up well.

But

yeah, I think it's hard.

Like there's moments where you just notice things and you're like, okay, maybe I wouldn't be okay with that.

But like I can't say what everyone would and wouldn't be okay with in their relationship.

So I feel like

it's kind of hard.

I think I noticed a switch up when him and Zoe, like when the new girls were coming in that day, he definitely had a shift in energy.

So I think maybe he's like, I don't know if he knows how to process his energy as well as like all the girls do.

And I think there's a lot of moments where I feel like the guys are processing at a totally different speed than like what we are.

And, you know, we're always thinking about the bigger picture and like what, you know, there's so much more to like what's going on.

And sometimes they're like really just like living in the moment.

I don't think that Brian is like a dick though.

What were your thoughts on watching the way Jeremy kind of handled Brian the night of like you having to choose who was going home and Brian kind of like pitching his reasoning to stay?

How did you feel like Jeremy handled that?

I feel like Jeremy was like

kind of kidding during that moment.

I thought like we were kind of making jokes with Brian and Prisa before, like, you know, if they wanted to like,

I don't know how, I don't know what the word is, like bribe us, like, you know, if they were to win, they could like share the money with us.

We were just like doing silly jokes.

So I think I was a little bit shocked that Brian thought that I would send him home.

Like

that was one of the, that was definitely my hardest decision of paradise.

And like, I think you can see how emotionally like distraught I am during that moment, but um I feel like

I didn't know that Brian was taking it as really serious that he was really scared that we were gonna send him home It was never a thought in our minds Obviously in the moment you still need to hear everyone out and be really open to like all choices

But I came into paradise like having no idea that I was gonna have to make that intense decision and so having to end somebody's journey short was definitely shitty, but I can't imagine doing that to my friend.

And, you know, I consider Brian and Prisa both friends.

Like, I can't, Prisa and I share a best friend, even though we weren't best friends at the time.

I just, I can't fathom doing that to like either of them.

And Jeremy and I had already spoken about that.

So I think Jeremy went into the conversation with a little more of a joking vibe.

Obviously, not knowing what could happen later going into next week.

I mean, you never know.

It's paradise.

So, like,

things happen.

Who is the best friend that you and Prisa share?

Serafina.

Oh, okay.

From Grant City.

Yes, yes.

yes.

Yeah.

Got it.

When the announcement of the money coming into play for Paradise, A, like, how did that change things for you?

And my second part is, was there anybody's behavior that you were shocked by once they heard about the money, like how they were moving at Paradise?

Yeah, I feel like when they announced the money, I think my initial thought was just like, holy shit, I didn't sign up for survivor.

And then I think my next thought was just like, oh, okay, like it's kind of more relationship tests.

So I just felt like keeping along with the same point of paradise, like you come with the mindset that you're like going to paradise to leave in a relationship.

And I just felt like my initial thought was just like, if you're not working towards loving your partner or really liking your partner and wanting to be with your partner, there's just no way you're going to win this.

So it doesn't even matter.

Like, yes, $500,000 is like absolutely amazing and it's insane.

But the only people that are going to win it are the people that are like in love or working towards like really knowing their partner or really building their relationship so that it lasts out of here.

So I feel like, I think a lot of the guys were like, holy shit, just like, oh my God, that's so much money.

And I think a lot of the girls were like, okay, so we came here to like get engaged.

We need to like keep working towards like getting engaged because like that's the point.

I mean, it was weird.

It's like a weird shift.

You're like.

slightly happy that you're not having to worry about anyone else coming in.

And then you're also like, oh my God, now I'm waking up in fear every day of what what Jesse's going to throw at us, just like having no idea what's going on.

So I feel like it was just like, oh, that night, like it was just like a wave of confusion.

You're just like, so much could happen.

And I was so scared.

I was like, are they going to like make me eat cockroaches?

I had like so much fear.

Like that was my biggest fear.

I was like, what am I going to have to do to like get this amount of money?

And then I was also just like, oh, you're not going to win if like.

you don't love your partner.

So like if you don't really like your partner, that's the whole point.

So I think we all knew that that was like part of it because it was so it's relationship-based challenges so yeah i think

more just like fear um excitement because like that's so cool and also just like a lot of nerves and i don't feel like anyone like really had

too intense of like a strategy going into it i think people were like trying to figure out especially like what it's the first week of challenges so i think people were just trying to figure out is everyone gonna like switch up and make this into like you know

an intense like survivor where you're like sending home your friends?

And I guess for that, we're just going to have to like keep and see what happens in the upcoming weeks.

I don't know if this is relevant because we don't know what happens at the end, but does do you think Jeremy knows that a wedding costs more than $56,000?

Was it that Brian?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Brian and Frieza are never going to make it.

I don't know if they leave the villages of paradise together.

I don't know.

But like, this boy is in for a rude awakening.

If he can't even talk about colors, and the next thing he's going to find out that he has to drop more than 56 G's on a wedding.

Their questions were hard.

I felt like they got hard questions.

I'm like, I, and well, it was hard because in that moment, we're like, we were so excited that we won that challenge.

Like, we also,

obviously, this is not shown, but we spent so much time.

Like, majority of the questions we got.

you don't get to see all the questions but majority of the questions we got we had already spoken about so i think that was nice i think a lot you know the the questions are randomized so like we haven't had that question but like in my head i would know that a wedding costs more than fifty six thousand dollars i'm like oh that's like wow you got a cheap wedding at this point like do you know how much a venue is like you know that brian was just like i would never i will never spend that much money on my wedding married in the backyard and married in the backyard and she's gonna love it you know you know that is brian's

the one question that brian and parisa got it was like how much money have you spent on an article of clothing?

And I was like, oh, this is like easy.

Like I was like looking at, I remember watching them answer the question.

I was like, this is so easy.

Brian is like wearing scotch and soda pants right now.

He's literally wearing scotch and soda pants and he has Louis Vuitton like slides on.

I'm like, this is like $300.

I'm like, are you checking your bank statements?

I was like, I was like, but then at that moment, like you're in the challenge and you're not even thinking about that.

And like, obviously I'm sitting back.

So I'm just having time to watch it.

I'm like, yes, they're going to get this one.

And and I realized I was like maybe everyone like isn't intensely obsessed with clothing like I am so maybe everyone wouldn't know how much this like random men's brand costs like I have a little brother so I just feel like it was hard like we got really lucky with our questions being the first one like how many texts because we all talked about that that morning together as a group and unfortunately I was the person with like the most unread text so it just came out like that we got lucky that day but yeah crazy I have 217 currently unread red so and the complete oh i i don't even think you want to know it's it's like in the 1600s right now it's really

that's insane i mean mostly my my 217 are for me

i think it's like five group chats if those five group chats didn't exist It's his family group chat.

Well, most of them are my family group chat.

Oh, like group chats muted.

Do not disturb immediately.

Somehow people break.

A lot's been happening this season.

So I think people have been texting me and they're like, oh, Bailey's not responding.

And I'm just like, guys, I'm overwhelmed.

Well, after this episode, they'll probably be like, oh, it's not just us.

They're like, oh, she doesn't hate me.

I'm like, we're not alone.

Well, Bailey, we'll let you get back to Portugal, whatever it is you're doing out there.

Tell Jeremy we said hi if that is relevant.

Just kidding.

I don't think I'm going to run into him, unfortunately.

Oh, that's too bad.

You're definitely at the beach this morning.

Maybe you can find that beach, maybe.

You know, I've literally been shopping all day, so I'm

heading home soon.

Yes.

So different.

I got to get all my European brands out the way.

It's been a pleasure, Bailey.

Thank you for taking the time.

It was lovely chatting with you.

Good luck the rest of the way.

We're rooting for you.

And

it's always great to catch up.

Thank you guys.

I'm happy to be here.

And it was so nice to meet you guys.

Have a good week.

Bye, Bailey.

Bye.

Period.

She said, say love.

That man had a gun through her head.

Jeremy.

He had a gun through her head.

He was in the room.

I've never seen someone defend a man who did you that dirty.

No, I mean, just had like no.

We have.

I've never seen that before.

Love is blind.

I'm like, I feel like we have so many people.

We're like,

but he said it.

And they're like, yeah, but like, it was just like a moment.

And you're like, the whole time.

She's just like reading off.

Like, sometimes there's things you don't get to see.

When a producer is telling you, no, no, no, don't call.

And you're still like, no, call Susie.

Call Susie.

Shabby's like, no, don't, don't do it.

And he's still pushing.

I think he meant it.

I don't think it would have mattered.

She says.

You know, maybe they stand up, Bailey.

Maybe next episode we'll see them work through it.

It has to be Justin Spencer, right?

I don't, I have no idea.

I actually don't know.

I don't know either.

They're being very tight-lipped.

Hmm.

I mean, he's, they're definitely together in Portugal.

Oh, I saw he was there.

Like, just Jeremy, don't post right now.

Like, if you don't want people to know, like, don't, why are you?

He's like, Bailey's going on the wildfowls.

I'm getting on a plane.

She's like, she's like, Sean is here too.

I'm like,

okay.

She's like, so many people from Paradise are here.

Like, so many.

Like, Kaylee's actually in Portugal.

And I love that she's only posting promotional for like bachelor in paradise and then he's like he's like i'm in portugal

you know why though because he wants he wants people to know that she forgave him no because he thinks they won't go as hard probably yeah oh yeah

he's just like

together you have to protect them to some degree which means it's probably worse that's annoying thing you worse what do you mean like when they're protecting a couple that makes it they always edit things out like they don't show every single thing

so what do you do you think Bailey's might be hiding?

Or do you think that's it?

No, I think they're together, and then production's like, How can we just call a little bit without it a little bit?

Yeah, but either way, like if Bailey's with them, then she's, I mean, I guess he's passive,

but you can't tell me that that was just a lapse in judgment, it went on for days.

Yeah, I mean,

immediately after if we see next episode, him be like take full accountability, apologize, and like he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

We'll see.

He has to have done something for Bailey to have forgiven him and not want to like talk one ounce of shit.

Could have just gas lit her.

What do we think?

That was the craziest thing.

I don't know.

I mean, Bailey, we love you.

I'm a huge Bailey fan.

She's the, like, I feel like she's the it girl.

Every guy wants her.

I loved her, dude.

I know.

I was like, I saw that.

I know.

I really like them too.

But just if it were, like, objectively speaking, if you're just watching as a friend from afar, like, do you wish better for Bailey?

I mean, of course.

But I also feel like, I mean, isn't Alex her closest friend?

And she didn't tell her.

She told Jill and Kat.

Right, which is crazy.

Like, she heard from Brian.

I didn't know this.

And immediately not going to your girl and being like, oh, I'd be sprinting.

If that was Jill, they kept me.

They couldn't have even finished the sentence.

And I would be in that room.

I'd be like, I don't really know what he said because I came to you so fast.

But I heard it.

He called suit.

And I came to you.

I think they're engaged.

Oh my gosh.

Wait.

I didn't even think that that could be a possibility, please.

No, crazy.

Could you imagine if someone goes up to Bailey and be like, just so you know, that your boyfriend is engaged to another woman right now?

Yeah.

So they actually left the show together.

Yeah, she said yes.

I think they're in love.

Crazy.

Well,

we'll tune in next week.

All right.

Well, thank you.

Rachel, it's always good to catch up with you.

Thanks, guys.

Love you.

Good luck the rest of the way.

It's just, you seem like you're doing well.

You look great.

You just really seem like.

I am happy.

Yeah, it's been a good

thing.

When we first met, you were just more of a shell of yourself.

And now you're just a shining bright star.

This compliment means so much.

We stitched that with the video of him roasting me.

I didn't even know you then.

I was just like talking about a silly show.

Oh, how things change.

We're best friends now.

We are.

Always good to see you, Rachel.

Good to see you.

Bye-bye.

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Well, if you didn't catch this episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County, here is your rapid recap.

In case we forgot, Shannon called Katie a John Jansen-looking Alexis Bellino-sounding psychopath at Heather's birthday party last week.

But then Katie leaves the party crying.

Oh no.

And just as we think it's going to get boring from there, who shows up but Tamara, motherfucking judge?

And for backup, Miss Joe De La Rosa.

If you don't know, Joe is Slade's ex-fiancé that Gretchen has feuded with at BravoCon as recently as 2023.

But don't worry, they're not looking for any drama.

In fact, they say a little prayer for peace on the way.

However, God does not seem to hear them, although she did hear us, because we must mention the different reads Gina and Emily have for Gretchen, which are a fake person, like she dips herself in formaldehyde every night, and a Barbie filter from 2003.

God bless us, everyone.

The rest of the episode is fine.

Gina calls stress balls a metaphor for de-stressing.

Jen and Ryan get matching veneers.

Tamra's daughter serves Sky Ferreira realness while piercing ears, but then an accusation of more more fraud.

This time, journalistic in nature is thrust upon Katie, and uh-oh, Tamara begrudgingly meets with Jen.

Instead of doing what I assume she's working on in therapy, which is forgiving, releasing anger, taking accountability, etc., Tamra throws a little baby rumor out on national television that Jen cheated on Ryan and compared her to Norman Bates himself.

But before you judge Tamara Judge, remember the road to healing takes many forms.

Overall, is Katie going to radar online herself into Lisa Vanderpump territory?

How will Heather handle this ever-evolving housing market?

Tune in next week to find out on the Real Housewives of Orange County.

The fact that this is two episodes at this damn party that no one is at

is

awesome.

I'm really disappointed.

I loved this episode.

But like, can we talk about

the parties?

It's empty.

Tamara walks in.

No one is around her.

No one.

It's so funny.

They kept showing shots of an empty party.

The party that, like, for two episodes ago, they wanted us to believe that Heather and Terry are so rich that you're just wasting money on these parties, which we all know they're not paying for.

Come on, get some, get some fans in the room.

Take their phones, you know, like fill up the room.

Like, was it on like a Tuesday night?

I just, where was everyone?

The vibes of the party, the vibes of the party did seem weeknight in nature.

It did seem weak night.

It seemed like people, like, kids had school in the morning, people had to work.

She said, I need enough space to be able to chuck ice shot glasses at a gong without people getting hit.

Can't get sued.

Can't get sued.

Who was Gina and Gretchen?

Who was the third person in that group when Gina said to Gretchen, another person I can't place, when she goes, we all look the same?

Jen.

Was it Jen?

And Jen and Gretchen were like,

no, we fucking don't.

Did any of you clock that?

I was,

I was, I was.

Gretchen and Jen do not think they look like Gina.

Or the rest.

I think the women.

But then also you have Gina and Emily saying Gretchen looks like she dips herself in formaldehyde every night.

No, that's a crazy thing to say about someone.

Awesome.

That's crazy.

And honestly, it was the Barbie filter from 2003 for me and then the emphasis.

No, but like 2003.

I was like, what was going on in 2003 with the Barbie filter?

I don't think we had filters in 2003.

We did not.

Do we even have Instagram?

No, that's just someone like

that, like, you know, and I get it because I'm older.

It's like 2003.

It's like, oh, that wasn't that long, Yale.

And they're like, no.

That was 20 years ago.

It was 20 plus.

Don't do your math.

Yeah.

Do the math.

Yeah.

Gina's crushing it.

I do love Gina.

As a real estate, like, I don't think, I mean, props to her.

Like, that's a real 10 million.

What'd she say last year?

I don't know what.

I don't know what's commission on.

But she's making a million-dollar side hustle.

100%.

And like, they're

really focused, too.

Like, her and her boyfriend, her husband or boyfriend, fiancé.

That's the reality of TV person I can get behind.

Like, someone who's doing something with their life

in addition to the drama they're bringing to the show.

Not just.

Tamra.

I love Tamra, the bitch.

Hello.

Will be joining us for going deeper tomorrow.

I'm very excited about this.

A very deep look into who is Tamra Judge?

Is she good?

Is she evil?

Is she just a really great TV star?

Is she clocking in?

Is she clocking in?

Does she clock out?

Does she clock out?

I feel it.

I'd like to know.

I started, I did not finish because sometimes I fall asleep to YouTube video essays about their housewives.

And I did start one on Tamara Judge, and I didn't finish it.

But it was interesting because it it was talking about how basically

Tamra kind of created the blueprint for housewives as we know them.

Because before Tamra, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't, I don't know deep OC lore, but it started off as more of just like a true like docuseries, right?

Like following these women.

And then Tamra comes in and makes it a game.

I mean, I think Tamra was the first one I saw, like, throw wine in someone's face.

And I was like, oh my gosh, she's also one of the first people to be put on pause.

So say what you will about Tamara Judge, but she kind of is the blueprint for the modern house.

And the thing is, is like last season, I was so anti-Tamra.

I like was so frustrated with the way that she was handling Shannon and the whole season.

I just did not, it was a hard watch for me.

And then I met her at.

Crystal Minkoff's Christmas party and she's so charming and delightful in person.

And I was like,

yeah.

And I was like, oh my God, she's like, maybe that is just a character.

And this is the real Tamra.

And I can respect her craft for being a great TV maker.

How do we separate the line between, say, like that and, say, a Jack Staylor?

Because he doesn't, his, there is no, like, there's no lying.

There is no lying.

His, his, who he is on TV is who he is in real life.

And they're both awful people.

Okay.

The, the conversation with Jen at the Mexican restaurant, first of all, and her being like,

well, we all know it wasn't the first time.

And Jen going, and you haven't cheated.

And she's going, and I have.

No, she, she goes, no.

She goes, well, maybe.

Well, maybe.

And she goes, but your second time.

Scandal.

It's awesome.

I mean, the way she's able to just drop a rumor and then it just is like a bomb goes off.

Yeah, but then it's like,

what about your rumor?

She goes, well, maybe moving on.

Like,

we're not talking about her now.

About me.

You did it twice with your yoga instruction.

it's like well that's the best part too is that it's like this like she's like projection personified where she's just like yeah and you don't take accountability for anything jen you don't you start these things and i'm like you're literally talking about yourself but then she drops the bomb and it's like yeah wait what were we talking about jen yeah and then she's like and i'm out of here literally

so i'm gonna leave you with that and i have to go her going up to katie ask as katie's storming out of this party before she got even inside

what's wrong angel pants no i I've always cared about you.

I don't want to see you crying.

And I will say, I'm going to give flowers to Katie's husband, Matt.

The way that, like, is he didn't get heightened.

He didn't try to be a housewife, but he was just like, are we being fucking serious?

Right now, yeah.

Are you going to be the one to come for her?

But why are we mad at Tamara for that?

Because Tamara's the one that's going around telling everybody.

And she brought it up.

But 100%, but that's what I'm saying.

It's like, I feel like for Katie, she feels like she's very much being not blamed, but like everything that she's done is now all of a sudden putting putting in a light that she did something with a certain intention, where I'm like, all of these things Tamara has known about for a span of time and you're choosing to release it now.

I think that is what reality television is.

I think that is what makes Tamra a great reality TV star is because she does take this information and she does hold on to it until the exact like night or like way that she needs to release it.

And you can't, and like Katie trying to pin it on Tamara for just telling everyone.

It's like, no, you did it.

Like, you're like, what do you mean you're, it's Tamra's fault?

Like, you're the one who did it.

But then it's interesting to think about that in context with like Miami, right?

With Gertie and Julia.

Because Tamara has the ability to hold and release at the perfect time in a way that it seems that the audience is okay with and lands in a way that you're like, this is good TV.

But then when Julia, to hear like Gertie talking about the way Julia did it with the crews, I held on to that for a year and a half.

And then dropping it, it doesn't land the same way.

And I wonder, and like, that is the true skill of Tamara.

I think because with Julia, it's the most like

nothing burger.

Yeah.

That she's trying to make a storyline.

You're trying to make the fact that like she like off, she wanted to come on the cruise, but Grudy's like, I didn't want to come on the cruise.

You asked me to come on the cruise.

Like that's nothing.

Yeah.

Tamara is like, you've recorded her without her knowing.

Like, and you showed it to her arch nemesis, Alexis.

But don't you feel like if Tamara was like a good friend, then that that would be something that she would need to tell Shannon while litigation is still happening, like that day, but instead she waits a year till cameras pick up to be like, oh, and Katie's awful.

Because also, this, I don't, I don't think Tamara's a great friend by any means.

I don't think, and I don't think her goal is to be a good friend on TV.

I think she's a great TV maker.

Yeah, yeah.

She's a producer.

She's working.

Yeah.

She's like, we're work friends.

Yeah.

We're not friends friends.

We're co-workers.

We're co-workers.

But we're not friends.

And she's like, I don't give a fuck if you get fired.

So here we go.

Yeah.

What I love about OC,

because last season for OC didn't super hit for me, but this season I'm watching it and I'm like, oh,

there's something in the water in Orange County that these women are...

And I'm not saying this about them in real life, but the way they're presented on TV, it's almost like horror movie-esque watching it.

Like there's, there's this like evil nature there that is so compelling and so like dark and twisted i don't think they're evil i just think like the show has a tone of like i don't it's like the way they're fighting is like okay so dark

awesome because i think i see what you're saying like even like with uh tamara bringing joe for example that it's kind of like there is that like you know what you're doing by bringing her knowing gretchen's gonna be there knowing slave's gonna be there but it's like there's a way that tamara is able to bring them and be like if you have a problem then maybe you haven't worked through things he hasn't been your fiancé in years why do you care who i'm bringing like you know what I mean?

Like there's a way that it's like almost like a, did I do that?

It's like the underbelly.

I love the way OC makes the men on the show look like clout chasing arm candy people in the best possible way.

Say more.

Yeah, I mean the fact that yeah.

Well, Slade's always been like this though.

But yeah.

But that's when, you know, like usually it's, you know, the other way around where like you have these shows and then like women are maybe even unfairly painted as like, you know, like B players in a a storyline where here you have these men who are just trying so hard to like latch on to these star-powered women who are famous, who are celebrities.

And then you have all these like seemingly like clout chasing men.

It's just kind of funny.

It's hilarious.

It's a uniquely orange county phenomena.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is

it feels like an undercurrent of a society.

And the men all seem like they might be white collar criminals.

Yes.

It's it is like the blueprint of housewives at its core.

And I think that's why I'll always, I think I always will side with Tamra over Jen, even if I think that Tamara is being mean or wrong, is that like Tamra's husband seems like a normal guy.

And Jen's boyfriend, I just, her taste in men seems so off that I just can't trust Jen's judgment.

Interesting.

And I feel like Tamara is, yeah, she's just, she's a professional.

She is a professional.

Have we seen Eddie this season?

No.

No.

is he not filming i don't know he definitely did not want to go to that party yeah i don't know i'm a little concerned that the production is is making me question how how rich heather and terry actually are oh with them trying to sell that house yeah i mean it's too like the top real estate well i also know that they're lying about the the party like it's just well they all do that i know but like he also is he is botched yeah so like they have money money no i know they have money but i think they're real money yeah i and i hope so because I love them being rich.

Yeah.

Me too.

He's a top plastic surgeon.

He's, he's loaded.

My last thought about OC is that when I saw Tamara's daughter making her little beats, I was just like, as me personally, I was watching it.

I was like, representation is so important.

Do you make beats?

Yeah, no, I just meant Tamara's daughter's vibe in general.

I was like, and she does.

She actually makes really good music.

You do?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah.

So that's what she was, she's representing you?

No, she was just kind of an alt-looking girl.

And I was like, hey, look at that.

Okay.

Representation is important.

Representation matters, you guys.

Women's stories matter.

Women's stories matter.

Should we move on to Miami and then call it a day?

Absolutely.

All right.

Well, if you didn't catch this week's episode of The Real Housewives of Miami, here is your rapid recap.

Julia and Martina are in their boy mom era, which apparently means wearing Chanel sneakers and making enemies with other women.

It's still not clocking to anyone that Gertie is standing on business.

Stephanie Sojay is renovating a castle, including a wall for her Birkins and a separate staff entrance.

Welcome back, Carrie Koon in the Gilded Age.

Kiki and Larsa have to get an extra yacht for their outing because there's so much division in the group.

Hopefully this will help.

Spoiler alert, it doesn't.

Dr.

Nicole briefly returned to remind everyone that she was Stephanie Sojay before Stephanie Sojay and then she is too emotionally mature to be in the group.

And then on the dual boats, Alexia calls herself a Rottweiler, says Stephanie Sojay is a chihuahua.

This will become drama, so do not forget it.

Adriana, perhaps inspired by the most recent episode of Below Deck, gets absolutely plastered and rants about Marisol having no talent, dry knees, and an evil soul.

Alexia tells Gertie that a dick pic would have been better to display on screen at an event than text messages from Julia.

But somehow, Gertie is still the villain.

Interesting.

Overall, is Kiki the most beautiful woman in the world?

Will anyone be nice to Gertie?

Who even cares about Martina's Chanel sneakers?

Find out next week on The Real Housewives of Miami.

Dry knees.

Such an interesting thing to come for.

It's giving.

You smell like hospital.

You smell like hospital.

No.

Did you see that?

Dr.

Nicole sold her beach house Miami mansion for like $40 million or Robbie.

The Star Island one?

Yeah.

No, like she's rich enough to like live on Star Island.

Like she's.

Well, she sold the house for 40 mil.

To the guy with the movie with a monkey playing.

And she's comparing.

She's like, you know, private jets.

Like the fact that like these two women, like they literally got rid of one and then brought in another one that is exactly the same.

I want to be rich enough to sell a house to a

British superstar.

A British superstar yeah

maybe you can sell one to PK

I don't think I bet he's in the market I would need him to have a co-signer yeah

yeah I don't know if he can get that loan you know

I feel like he'd be like here's an IOU yeah yeah the whole dual boat thing was so funny to me because they were literally On the same boat still.

Well, it wasn't even a dual boat.

It was literally like they connected them.

They tied them together and they're just floating in the middle of the ocean.

So what was the intention by the two?

Yeah.

You're all hanging out together.

Literally, but also Adriana, like getting

so drunk.

You know, she does not remember a single word she said about Marisol.

Not at all, but it's also like the second she gets a little tipsy, it's just like sees red and Marisol's like, I'm just minding my own business.

Literally, and it's crazy how Marisol can drink all day.

I feel like I now, with reality TV, I need like

which shows include blacked out drunk people and which shows actually have like drinking rules because nowadays I feel like there's different franchises with different rules and like and it matters and it matters a lot I want to know if you're hammered yeah I need to know if you're blacked out or I need to know if like that you're you're you know you get one drink a day or like one drink and I'm just this your behavior or is this your behavior drunken persona I will say I don't think I think Miami I think the culture of Miami is they're drinking and then Alexia calling herself a Rottweiler to like shut down Stephanie third day and then later on Stephanie's like calls her like a Rottweiler.

She goes, what did you call me?

Why did you say that?

Why is she talking about me?

And it was just like she's like, she's so me.

The thing about, it's so fun that like, rarely do I ever like agree like morally with Alexia.

Don't care.

I'm always going to be on her side.

Really?

She's

not.

I know she's wrong.

And I like with the gurdy stuff and all the other, like, I'm obviously like team gurdy, whatever, but I'm never mad at Alexia.

Yeah.

I'm just entertained by her.

I'm just sad for Gertie still because it's like, I feel like they're all lecturing her about like what she should have done and how she went about it.

But it's like to what she said when she was on our show is that

nobody's listening to her.

No, they literally, like, she, she is truly just telling them exactly what happened.

And then even in this, they were like, did you read the producers were like, did you read the text messages?

And they were like, no.

No.

Lars is like, I didn't have the time.

But then they're like, that's the most evil thing you can do.

There was a lot.

Yeah.

But I'm like, you can't say it's the most evil thing you could do if you don't know.

Did you even read me a paragraph?

it's the most evil thing i could do yeah i didn't read it sorry that hey happy for you or sorry that happened and i also want to be rich enough to be renovating a castle yeah i really hope she doesn't make it ugly what did she say it was like 20 20 000 square feet yeah but then she said the original one was too persian and i was like what is that supposed to mean well she's married i know yeah but means you know she's married she's married to a persian man yeah okay so it's like the the original house was his first wife's yeah and then she was like i will move in but we're literally demolishing the entire thing, not a woman.

She just talks shit about the ex-wife.

Wow, she has to talk shit about a whole culture.

Exactly.

That was my.

Well, at first, she was like, I want a new house, so it doesn't remind me of the ex-wife.

But then she was like, and it was just way too Persian.

And I was like, you didn't need to put that in there.

You didn't need to say that.

You didn't need to say that, Stephanie.

Okay.

Well, that will do it for this episode.

Thank you guys for listening.

And thank you to our guests, Bailey Brown and Rachel Reccia, for joining our show.

Don't forget, tomorrow we have a Grand Slam Going Deeper with iconic housewife, Tamara Judge.

I'm very much looking forward to that conversation.

I hope you are as well.

That will be tomorrow.

And then Thursday, we have another jam-packed episode for you.

Clayton Eckhart is scheduled to appear.

I think he's feeling a certain way about Perfect Match.

So hopefully he comes on and shares his side.

of the story.

Also, Hannah Godwin from Bachelor in Paradise.

And she is with us to talk about all things reality TV, get a little update on her life, but she's watching all the shows we are, and she'll be joining us talking with us all about it.

That is this week.

We'll see you then.

Bye-bye.

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