E974 - JaNa and Kenny Breakup, Bachelor In Paradise w/ Jonathon, RHOM w/ Guerdy Abraira, and RHOC

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

I am your host, Nick, joined by my beautiful wife, Natalie.

And I am happy to report.

Well, I'm happy to report I'm feeling better.

I manifested the flu.

I don't know.

It wasn't the flu.

I have it.

I don't know.

I either had food poisoning.

I don't know.

You have to last week.

I'm talking about wearing sweatpants, how it makes me feel like I have the flu.

And literally, was it a day later, two days later?

I don't know.

I was up all night puking my guts out, shivering in like the sweats.

And by sweats, I mean, like, I was just, my body was soaked in sweat.

I felt terrible.

I was out for the count on Friday.

It was, it sucked.

Yeah.

It was, it was pretty brutal.

So it like started with me, right?

I first were in the car going somewhere and I'm like, oh my God, like, like, and I, and I typically am one to get like car sick.

Like, it's very on brand for me.

Nellie can be a little, little, little nauseous Nelly, you know, so sometimes we don't take her nausea

that seriously.

Sometimes it's like, oh, you know,

like,

we don't really clock it, you know?

We're not like, oh, stomach flu.

Right, right.

So Nick's driving,

you know, already nauseous at the thought of it.

You know what I'm saying?

And

and he's also on like a phone call through the car, right?

So he's bluetooth.

Like hands-free.

But, and like, if you ever heard Nick on a phone call, I mean, God bless you.

You know what I'm saying?

And so I'm in the car.

He's driving, you know, how he drives.

He's on the phone.

I'm nauseous.

How I talk, how I drive.

And I'm like, oh no, I don't feel very good.

Like, I think.

Nope.

Yep.

I'm going to pew.

I'm like looking around the car.

I'm like, what is there?

Oh, there's a towel from when we took the dogs to the dog park.

So I grab the towel from the back seat and I just start puking into the towel.

Nick's on the body's like, I gotta go.

I gotta go.

I gotta go.

He's like, we have to pull over.

Where do you want to?

We're on the highway.

I'm like, where the fuck are you going to pull over?

Like, what is happening?

He pulls off on the shoulder, open up the car door, continue to puke.

We get home.

And I'm like, okay, I feel like a little bit better.

You know, I got all, I didn't even have anything in my system.

Like, I was just throwing up like nothing, you know, because I hadn't eaten breakfast or anything.

So then I was throwing up bile vial.

Vial by vial.

Literally.

Tough part of an episode for me.

Yeah.

And no, no, no.

But it gets better.

Okay.

It gets better.

So then, you know what?

My best, my best friend Chamless was in town and it was her last night with us.

And so Nick was like, oh, like I'm going to cook you, you know, like a good supper because it's your last night with us.

So he does like steak, he does homemade mashed potatoes, he does broccoli, like he goes all out.

And we're sitting eating.

And then Nick's like, oh, like, I don't know.

Very good.

I'm like, really?

And he's like, yeah.

So then he like gets up very quietly, like doesn't make it a big fuss or anything, you know?

And I'm like, do I need to go check on him?

So I go back there.

He's like, do not go in there.

I'm like, oh no.

Like, what happened?

I missed.

You missed the toilet.

Like, how did you miss?

I missed half the toilet.

Well, I, I, so back in my track days, I just threw up a lot.

So, like, I just, I'm not afraid of that, of the sensation of puking.

Like, I don't love it.

I'm not saying I enjoy it, but like, you know, most people are just like, aren't used to it.

They'll like suffer through that thick stomach pain until there's, I just go and, I just go for it.

Anyways, I went, I threw up.

There was a second immediate wave I was not expecting.

So as my head went up, puke came out and I split the difference of the toilet and it splashed all over the place.

Awful guys.

Awful.

Awful.

He comes out of the bathroom to like get something to clean it with.

And Chanvas is like, oh, it's on his pants.

It was on my slippers.

It was on my pants.

Awful.

Then, so while he's back there cleaning it up, Jeff, our dog, starts gagging.

We're like, what the fuck?

So then Jeff throws up.

Chanvas is like, I have to get the fuck out of here.

I don't know.

What is going on?

It was kind of crazy

like jeff's puking i'm puking nick's puking crazy this all happened within five minutes literally oh my god so next like i have to go lay down we river is still like very much present in our lives during this time and we're like she's just like neither of us can really go up to her room and like rock her for 30 minutes to like get her to go to sleep so we're like we'll just let her sleep in our bed like whatever so she sleeps with us and then we wake up

I'm suffering.

Yeah.

I don't know how your night went because I was.

My night was terrible.

I couldn't talk to him because River was like right next to me.

So if I talked, it would wake her up.

So I just kept seeing him get out of the bed constantly.

And I was like, hope he's okay.

Yeah, I just suffered by myself.

I made no fuss.

I just got up and threw up multiple times, had shivers.

Which is so.

the complete opposite of me.

I remember when I was pregnant with River and I was throwing up all the time.

I would be like,

like screaming from the bathroom floor to like come in and help me and like hold my hair back.

And Nick just

puked and rallied.

Was this the first time that you both were sick having River?

It was.

Actually, I said, yeah.

Is this the first time we've ever been sick together?

Yeah.

And it's definitely different being sick together.

Yeah.

Like, do you, were you guys just kind of like taking turns with whatever, like having to put her down for a nap?

Or is like who's struggling less at the moment?

Yeah, it was like whoever brought paper scissors.

Literally whoever in that moment isn't going to throw up.

And what was Tamblis doing in all this?

Well, she left.

She left Friday.

She left that night.

Yeah.

Did she change her flight?

That would have been like you know, she was on sleep Friday.

She's like, I'm not sure.

I've been like,

projectile vomit.

Look, there's an opening tonight.

But we're all fine now.

River's fine.

We're fine.

But it was definitely like, I mean, don't wear sweatpants.

Yeah.

It'll get you.

But then the next day, Nick wore sweatshorts.

Oh, my God.

Double whammy.

The two things he wore them all.

He was really feeling not too great.

Yeah.

Not like himself.

All my DMs were like, oh, my God, I've never seen his legs.

Like, literally.

I don't know if I have either.

Yeah.

What do they think of my legs?

A lot of people are comparing you to Justin Bieber.

Well, I think Justin's doing fine.

He's making music.

He's dropping albums.

Like, enough about me.

Sierra,

there's been a breakup in the reality TV universe.

Has there not?

I mean, this is like breaking news as of yesterday.

Leia, are you okay?

I don't know if I'm okay, to be honest.

Like,

we were all.

This was a friend of show.

Kenny.

According to the streets, Janae and Kenny have broken up.

And TMZ.

TMZ first to report this breakup.

Our trustee osteo.

The streets did get into it.

Yes, no.

People started noticing that Janae unfollowed Kenny shortly thereafter.

PPG has unfollowed, and I believe Miguel and Cordell have also unfollowed Kenny.

But what we don't understand is what happened from the night prior where Kenny and Janae were at David Dobrik's birthday party, and they were clearly having a nice time, drinking, dancing.

And then the next day, this is this is what we woke up to.

I blame David Dobrik.

Yeah.

Now, for those of you who haven't been to a David Dobrik party, it is an influencer smorga sport.

Oh, yeah.

It is anyone who is in the influencing world in LA, anyone who maybe just got off the plane or people who've been there for years,

it is like the new year.

It's a micro influencer to macro.

It is.

David brings them all.

Everyone's like, oh, it's David Dobert.

We're all fans of him when we were kids.

And he's got a very fascinating house.

But yeah, I mean, I wonder if we're going to, I feel like we need, like, do we need to call Janae immediately?

We need to call Janae.

And in the meantime, I will be stocking her TikToks for any passive, aggressive, trending sounds.

Passive aggressive.

There's been so far.

Super aggressive.

So far, there's been zero chill here.

Again, like this couple went into the weekend together.

They went to this party together.

There's footage of them at this party together looking fine.

The next day,

the entire cast.

and friend group, including his boys, have unfollowed him.

There's no like, let's just wait and see the dust settling, anything like that.

There is a clear like, make moves now.

I don't know who confirmed the breakup, but it wasn't like we're not confirming anything yet.

Like, yeah, I wonder who did TMZ just say, like, a source confirms.

I doubt they'd be like, Janae confirms.

Do they pick up the cameras?

Like, I don't think.

I mean, we definitely need a season two now.

Any chance, any chance, and I hate to even speculate

that this is all for the show.

I don't think so.

I feel like because remember when this super teaser came out and Janae was like kind of pissed that they had like cut something together to make it seem like her and Kenny were fighting about something.

And she like immediately cleared that up and she was like, I'm not going to have this like narrative.

I don't think she's like that.

I think she's like a very genuine person.

Yeah, I agree.

I think that if there was going to be a couple that would do some sort of stunt, it would not be Janae and Kenny.

And we obviously had the pleasure of interviewing them shortly after they came out of the villa.

We loved our conversation with them.

They were, I mean, this was a year ago.

Obviously, it was fresh out of the villa, but like they, they both just, they both seem like a very cute couple and just also as individuals, right?

Because like, obviously, these relationships that happen in the villa, like there's just a lot working against these couples.

There's outside pressures.

They barely, you know, they have to get to know each other while also facing like this newfound fame.

Very difficult situation.

But like just the individuals that we got to know, Injanae and Kenny, we both just had like just a wonderful, wonderful time.

And like, again, we don't know what happened.

We don't want to really get into the speculation of what happened.

People are creating distance from Kenny.

That much is obvious.

Like, that's not speculation.

So I think it's more telling that Janae deleted all of the photos of her and Kenny.

Yeah, the photos and

took him out of the bio.

And Kenny removed Janae out of his bio.

I think are like two obviously.

I mean, I know people who

still have pictures of like them and their ex from like 12 years ago on their Instagram.

You know, like they're like still yeah Nick's got him Vanessa he's got him I mean he's got everybody on

back and just decided you know I don't know it just felt like well I was actually it's funny you guys mentioned this because I was looking back at Juliana's Instagram randomly and like I was just curious to see if she still had pictures of Grant on there and she does like I feel like people don't like go back and delete things if it's amicable break up yeah no this is This is a clear reaction.

I mean, did like Matt, did Rachel Kirconnell delete all her stuff with Matt?

I don't know if she did but I think Matt like I looked at Matt's because most it's all his like food reviews and stuff so like if he goes back and deletes all these videos with Rachel like his page is not the same you know what I mean wait I have a question for you guys what do you do in this situation you break up but your entire brand is with them do you wipe your page also to answer that rachel kirkonnell did not delete like cute couple photos and things yeah well am i am i janae or am i kenny because i'm not saying janae i'm not saying janae and Kenny.

I'm saying in general, you just like are in a partner.

Like you have brand partnerships with this person on your page, but you break up.

Do you delete them?

Like Janae, the only one that Janae didn't delete was like a brand deal with the two of them.

Well, let's just keep it real here.

Like if Kenny stepped in it, if he did something he shouldn't have done, whatever this was.

I mean, honestly, it doesn't have to be much.

I mean, like, look at the Matt and Rachel Cocano.

Like, we all, like, people treated that like it was some sort of,

you know, Matt was a bad breaker-upper and maybe lacked some tact in terms of how he went about breaking it up but ultimately he broke up with his girlfriend which is like last time i checked still allowed to happen and the internet lost their shit and we're now in this time where like

a scorned person in a relationship it cha-ching you know what i'm saying like that is the arian as we as the internet refers to as the arianomatics treatment and like now janae is potentially set up for like just a windfall of brand deal's cash and money And

she's about to make it rain, potentially.

I mean, she's going to get that.

What is it?

The Bronny.

The Brony.

Bronnie's up getting ready.

Like, Bronny's already making calls.

So again, if you're Janae,

maybe this is the...

Again,

her stars are about to not be any brighter.

And we thought her star couldn't get any brighter than it was.

But I just hope that

I'm wishing them both the best.

I really hope that this doesn't turn into some scandal.

But I'm worried for what the fallout could be as more information comes out because the internet never like operates with any type of chill when it comes to this stuff.

And I hate to have to say it, but these are, you know, we are dealing with human beings.

So let's just, I hope, I hope this is such a stupid thing to say, that people like.

Treat them as human beings.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because you know they're not going to.

Anyway, so we, I'm sure this is a story that will continue to unfold.

We'll follow it.

I, I would, I'm curious if you, we're going to see the cameras being picked back up, if, if Beyond the Villa does a bravo type of thing, if this all of a sudden, if we get reports of a season two pickup,

certainly this is all happening while Beyond the Villa is airing, so it'll all be fascinating.

And some other news, I don't know if you guys are following.

We've had obviously Spencer Pratt on this show before, him and Heidi, who came on not too long ago to talk about their very tragic incident that people, not only them, faced, but their parents, their entire community, the tragic LA fires that

had claimed many victims of people who had their houses burned down.

Even Spencer, Spencer, when he came on here, talked about

he is fighting the city and the state.

I don't know.

I don't know anything about how that all stuff works, but lately he has been very active on social.

It's been very fascinating.

I don't know about you guys, but when these devastating

tragic things happens, whether it's hurricanes or fires or whatever, and they're always used to, there's usually some kind of natural response, some kind of big fundraiser.

Celebrities come out, perform, sing.

There's these 1-800 hotlines.

Millions and millions of dollars are raised.

I think there was an event where like hundreds of millions of dollars are raised for the victims of the LA fires.

And they're always like, this is going to go directly to the victims and yada, yada.

And then like, and then the concert ends and people move on with their lives.

And we all just assume that everything is happening as it should.

And it always makes you wonder, does that really happen?

Well, Spencer's out there like claiming that this is not happening the way it should and that none of the victims have seen any of this money and that he's getting into the weeds of where this is going.

And it's, it's very fascinating.

But I don't know if anyone is following the story.

I am.

And I'm just rooting for Spencer and Heidi and the community of the Palisades because these people deserve to be able to build their homes back.

If you are in Southern California, what happened with the LA fires was just absolutely like terrible.

And to find out that like some of this $100 million that was raised, you know, these things called NGOs that more and more people are becoming aware of.

And like, this is like a nonpartisan thing.

It should not be partisan, you know, for victims of people who have houses burned down, like get the money money that like was donated to them.

But like, it's, it's crazy to think that, like, these like organizations, when this money is raised, will just get be sent to these random organizations that have nothing.

Like, they're like loosely affiliated with some kind of thing that might have something to do with like helping people who might be affected by fires, but not the actual victims itself.

Anyway, Spencer is like, I don't know, if you've ever followed him, he's a great follow in general.

And he is on it.

And I wouldn't want to be going against Spencer Pratt when it comes to these types of of things.

But I'm supporting him in his fight to help all the victims of the L.A.

Fires.

And I'm definitely watching it closely.

So we'll see what comes of it as we move forward.

But it's a fascinating story.

Well, we also have a great episode lined up for you.

Momentarily, Jonathan Johnson of Bachelor in Paradise, your bachelor sweetheart is with us to talk about being a narc, kind of.

He definitely narcs.

I wasn't very happy with his way of handling that situation.

It was an interesting approach.

Anyways, Jonathan is with us.

Many are loving him this season.

He is having a hard time on the beaches of paradise finding love.

We'll find out why that might be with Jonathan.

Also, late in this episode, from your Real Housewives of Miami, we have Gertie Abreira with us from the Real Housewives of Miami.

She returns the vile files fresh off her celebration of life episode, where she decided to go full receipts.

We have her to explain her motivations.

It's very, it's giving very Real Housewives of Atlanta, where it's, this is your party, this is your event, and you choose to spend that time to kind of like go after one of your peers.

From a TV standpoint, I absolutely loved it.

Just absolutely, just wonderful, wonderfully entertaining.

Really, really love it when someone just plays

screenshots at a party.

And you have, like, Nan and I were talking about this yesterday.

Like, the absolute best parties are, I think, when, if you got guaranteed to go to a party, like a house party, any party, and you're like at this party, it's like a New Year's Eve party.

There's going to be this great band.

There's going to be great music.

There's going to be drinks flowing.

And at some point, someone is going to get on a mic and post receipts.

Oh, I'm there.

Of this, of a relationship, a friend, some kind of fight.

Like you would want to go to that party, correct?

Yeah.

No, I wouldn't get you to leave my house.

What if the guest list was always at least 100 people?

But to go to this party, you had to basically sign a waiver.

Basically, like at any given moment, like you could be the person that one of the people at the party exposes exposes.

That would be awesome.

It's it's like party, like receipt roulette.

Roulette.

Receipt roulette.

You know, like it just.

It's the type of party that you leave and you like call your friends who, you know, weren't invited and be like, we have to get lunch.

Like, I have to tell you about this party I went to.

Yeah.

The craziest shit happened.

That's an incredible idea, actually.

Receipt roulette party.

Receipt roulette party.

It's just like, I'm not texting anyone.

Excuse me.

Because then it gets really excuse can we pull the music down actually um and is there the projector yeah all right anyways can you play the screenshots and then immediately it's just a bunch of text threads imagine like someone you think you're reconnecting with a friend because they invited you to a party like someone you haven't talked to in a while and then it turns out it was one of those and they invited you just in a while that feels dirty yeah as marisol would say to carry you Like incredible, incredible work happening on the Real House Wise in Miami.

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jonathan welcome back to the vile files good to be with you buddy happy to be here where do you want to start you narking or

i hated the way that you handled that oh wow she's coming in hot like i loved that you told cat but then i hated that when dale came she'd be like dude just tell her what the fuck you said you know but you're like i'm gonna let y'all okay so what had happened there too and what i don't think was actually like portrayed is I didn't remember clearly where it had come from.

So I was like, I don't want to be like, oh, Dale said it if I wasn't 100% sure that that was the case.

So you second-guessed yourself in the moment?

Was it Jeremy lying that threw you off?

I don't remember, honestly.

Heat of the moment, I think they were just,

they were coming off a crazy night.

I came off of a date and just came into it and overheard it.

And I was like.

That's not a cool thing.

Like, before we finish Natalie's critiques of your execution of it, I am just like, I think it's an interesting conversation of like, you know, the bro code versus like, I think you were there for cat.

I love that.

But technically, it was an arc.

You definitely, definitely told on Dale.

But if you didn't remember that it came from Dale.

But I'm just, I am just wondering, like, what's your just, and I'm genuinely curious because you seem like Jonathan, one of the good guys.

You know what I'm saying?

You had Cat's back.

So like, what is your thought process?

2025.

I want to hear Jonathan Johnson's just like bro code in terms of like how you went through the process of like whether you heard it from Dale,

like a bird came or like the raccoon from season two of Paradise.

Like whoever told you that Dale wanted to fuck shit up when it came to his relationship with Kat.

Like what made you go straight to Kat and be like, I heard this shit.

No, I got a great answer for you.

You bring up the term bro code and that is saved for people that I would have called bro.

And I have nothing against Dale, but him and I weren't bros.

So Kat and I had built like a really strong friendship at this point.

You know, we didn't work out romantically, but I was like, you know what?

Like she's awesome.

I know she's doing so much better than she had been previously.

And I want to make sure that she gets through this in one piece and has like a great outcome from the show.

That being said, my loyalty is to her in this situation.

You know what I mean?

So like I

overhear somebody that isn't my

person, my friend, whatever, say something about one of my others.

I'm going to let the friend that's closest to me know.

How would you have handled it as if Dale was one of your guys?

I would have talked about it to his face, like confronted him about it, be like, What do you mean by that?

But that just wasn't my place to.

Like, if it was one of my friends, for sure.

I'd be like, dude, you're acting like an idiot right now.

Like, why would you?

And that's the thing.

I just, I would never that makes sense.

Like, why?

Associate with that conversation, you know?

I've actually

completely agreed with what you did there.

I was like, so happy that you did that.

I was so glad that you pulled Kat aside and told her because, like, she had to know that he's been saying this shit behind her back and him trying to defend himself.

Like, he, it's on camera.

The receipt is right there.

He said what he said.

And now he's trying to explain to her that he said it a different kind of way and that it's not what he meant.

And it's like, no, that's bullshit.

Like, you literally said that.

And I was so mad at Jeremy for lying.

I thought that you did the right thing.

I was so glad that you did that.

I was like, what was crazy was the fact that you tell Kat, again, I'm pro.

I did appreciate you telling Kat.

You were like, no, no, no, no.

I didn't like how you did that.

I didn't like how when Dale came up and he was like, what's going on?

And Kat was like trying to protect you by being like, Dale on the back and like,

he didn't look at me once when he walked up.

Like, he just like walked up and like was tunnel vision on Kat.

And I was like, okay, well, I have no.

purpose in this conversation.

I was like, I'm going to get out of here.

All right.

I hear you.

I hear you.

I piggyback off of Leia too, because I was like, I did like the fact that production had your back and they showed the clip of him saying it because it's like, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter you said it.

Yeah.

And it's like, whatever the intention behind it and how he said it was exactly as curt and gross as also.

I do want to give you props, Jonathan, because like you nailed it, like verbatim.

Unlike Jeremy, who like you said the, you know, and it's very clear.

No, that's what's fucked up is that Jeremy's like, Dale, like.

She's, she came over here and said, did I say, did you say that

you're, you want to go on a date so that you can be toxic?

I'm like, nope, not what she said.

And see, that's one of those bro code moments, though, because they were roommates and they were bros.

And again, that's how I would have handled it differently.

In his moment, he goes, hey, I'm going to have my buddies back and be like, no, that didn't happen.

For me, I would have handled it in a way I've been like, dude, don't say stupid shit like that.

Like this person clearly has a lot of feelings for you is on the road to loving you and you're going to say something like that.

So I don't know.

Question.

So, yeah, I didn't know that Jeremy and Dale were roommates, but either way, Jeremy lied, right?

Like to Kat's face.

It wasn't.

So I'm curious, what would be your notes for Jeremy?

Would you have handled it that way?

Would you have lied in the moment, not knowing, like, how do you think he could have handled that better?

Wow, that's tough.

It's tough because if it's one of your best friends, like you want to make sure that it's handled appropriately, but you also want to make sure that it comes from them.

Like if he did say that, like.

I would want to give my friend the opportunity to own up to it directly rather than hear it from me.

And then they have this whole freak out or whatever they want to do in reaction to what was said.

I'd be like, hey, you need to go tell them right now.

Yeah.

Because they're asking me.

And clearly the word is spreading.

Go nip it in the ass now and take care of it and just be like, yeah, I said this.

And then let it be done with.

Yeah.

Because he was just flat out like he did not say that.

He could have been like, I think you should need to talk to Dale.

And like, whatever was said, I don't think he meant for it to come across that way.

Maybe it would have been the best thing for him to say.

I don't know.

But he just lied.

He just flat out and then made something up.

No, then Jeremy's like, no, he didn't say that.

Jonathan, you go, see, guess.

Well, see, I guess I heard it wrong.

I'm like, no, stick to your guy.

Yeah, you got gaslighted.

Well, that's what I was saying.

I didn't know exactly how I heard it.

I guess I repeated it verbatim, but you did.

In the moment, I was like, shit, did somebody else say that?

What's your read on Jeremy?

I've heard that, you know, the guys seem to like him.

He seems like a bro.

But yeah, he's had a couple tough moments this season from confessing his love to Susie Susie and then like not telling Bailey about it.

Actually, that never happened.

There was a lot of franking biting in last night's episode.

So the, if you guys, I don't know if anyone picked up on it where it sounded like Jeremy was saying that he would propose to Susie like if she came back.

That like.

was definitely that was definitely like some very clever editing.

Like we just heard Jeremy's voice without hearing his lips or, you know, it's like it could have been from anywhere.

So I'm just going to discard that completely as

disingenuous or just editing.

Nevertheless, he definitely poured his heart out to Susie and then tried to forget it ever happened.

And I'm just curious, it's just as someone who was watching it like we're watching it, because I'm assuming you didn't know about that call in real time.

No, I was like one of the last ones to figure it out.

Like, what's what's your read on him?

Do you think he's a genuine guy?

And, and, um, or do you think he's too in the bro code arena?

I think it's tough.

And I was very isolated from a lot of the stuff for most of the show because I was the odd man out.

You know, a lot of the couples just kind of like meshed and they'd hang out in the pool together and they'd do a bunch of things together.

And I'm just kind of like,

yeah.

So like, I didn't get to know that until it was further down the road.

As far as like Jeremy is a friend, like, I love Jeremy.

I think he's a great friend to me,

good guy, and he's got a great heart.

But as far as watching this back, I think there's things that you would probably do differently as well.

But I don't know

how to go about that differently.

And again, this is one of those scenarios, like I was saying with the Dale situation.

You want to give your friend the opportunity to say it straight up first

and own up to it.

And I think it's something that, like, once it had happened, somebody should have told me, like, hey, you need to go nip this in the ass now and just like let her know before it blows up.

I mean, it's just like he, like, completely forgot that he's on a television show with cameras, with microphones.

It's like, you don't think they're going going to play that shit back?

Isa, the moment for me with Jeremy was the conversation with Brian where he's like, is your, I'll tell you when mics are off or whatever, and then tries to like whisper about not being into Bayley or, um, and how he preferred Susie or whatever, where I'm just like, A,

do you think that he's doing this because, or like, staying with Bailey because he just wants to carry on to the next week to like see if somebody else comes in?

Or like, did you feel like the connection between Jeremy and Bailey was authentic?

Yeah.

I mean, so that's actually actually a great question because throughout the filming of it, Bailey and I like had flirted a little bit on and off too.

And again, you don't get to see every facet of every relationship, but there reached a point where I was like, I'm not even going to entertain this anymore because I love to see my friend happy.

And like anytime he was with her, he was genuinely like giddy happy.

And he's a pretty stoic guy.

Like he's just like a, yeah.

Pretty cool all the time.

Yeah.

But like when he was with her, it was like genuine.

It was cute.

And I was like, you know what?

I'm never going going to try to get in the way of this.

Like he is just phenomenally happy with her.

So I think part of it was also fear.

He's like, I don't want to ruin this great thing that I have going on as well.

So what was your reaction when you saw the conversation with Brian?

Like when you saw it back this past week?

I was like, well, I know how this plays out.

Because I didn't find out until after it had all kind of come to light.

Right, right, right.

Ugh, it just made me so upset for Bailey because I'm like, I feel like she really genuinely has feelings for Jeremy and also has no idea about the Susie situation.

So sad.

Yeah, you think he would have been like, hey, listen, I was really upset that you went on a date with someone else.

And I panicked and I called Susie and asked for her to come back.

She declined.

Yeah.

I still like you, but I definitely want you to know I made that call and I just want to be upfront about that.

Yeah.

Done.

I will say the Brian and Parisa in the pool was.

Brutal.

Brutal.

I mean, Brian.

She was like, what's your favorite color?

Yeah.

He's like, I'm not, you're embarrassing.

Huh?

No, he's like, first of all, it goes like this.

He's like, what's your favorite color?

He goes, I'm not going to answer that question.

And she goes, something like that.

Is it green?

Why not?

Or like, immediately just answer the question.

You know, it's like, what's your favorite color?

Red.

Moving on.

All right.

Moving on.

Why is that such a trick?

Immediately, you've already spent more time on the topic that you don't want to spend any time on by just refusing to answer the question and then getting in a whole philosophical debate about why you don't want to answer questions about your favorite color.

Yeah.

It's just because you're like so deep and you want to have meaningful conversations.

I don't know about you guys.

It just sounded like a real, real kind of complicated way for Brian to want to get lucky.

He's like, I don't know, these are the type of conversations that don't lead us to us taking our clothes off.

So I don't know.

But like, let's look into each other's souls.

But starting a fight over what your favorite color is definitely ends up to bedroom.

And then he pouted over like the railing of the pool.

Really?

That was crazy.

What's your read on Brian?

Toxic?

Oh, man.

I don't know.

This one's tough, too, because I ended up being roomed with Brian.

Uh-huh.

So getting to hear things kind of behind the scenes, but also like, I don't want to hear like the negative thoughts that may come out after those situations.

I don't think he communicates his feelings very well, to be 100% honest.

No.

I mean, clearly, you can't even say the favorite color in that moment.

But I don't know.

He was very trippy.

I didn't talk as much as like

you would think you would talk to somebody you're sharing a room with.

We just kind of

existed together.

After the conversation with Jeremy, he was very like, I'm definitely telling Bailey about this.

Like, he had no sense of broken towards Jeremy in that moment.

Yeah.

So, I mean, she had a right to know, though, too.

And again, I can't speak on that one, whether it was right or wrong, because obviously I did something similar.

The situation is a little bigger and it's a little bit more played out, but I did the same thing.

And I was looking out for a girl that i i think i have a good friendship with back

and i i mean i don't see the harm in it other than the fact that if they are as close as they seem that you should give that person the the opportunity to just own it i was just gonna say what's going on like why aren't you finding love honestly it's just like a it's an age-old case of the people i'm into aren't into me and the people that are into me i'm just not into i tried to explain this to my friends i was like some people go a lifetime without finding a single person Like, there's billions of people in this fucking floating rock, and nobody finds a single person.

I was like, they put 10 people in front of me, half of which are my friends, and two of which I was interested in, then they both friends on me.

And now I'm here, and I'm like, well, I don't want to go home because I'm having fun, but also like watching everybody else be in love isn't that fun.

And then obviously at some point, the show changes and I'm like, okay, well, this is a reason to stay, you know, this is fun.

But as far as like just flat out finding somebody, like once the options were all exhausted, I'm like, well, what do I do now?

No, I feel for you.

And like, I, you know, Batcher does that all the time where it's just like, I just, I'm not into anyone here.

And you don't want to, you don't want to like say that, you know, because you don't want to like sound like you're talking shit about anyone.

You're just like, I'm great.

You didn't cast anyone I want to go for.

And then like they have a way of making it look like you can't get anyone.

Literally.

And because I care about everybody that comes onto this, like, I don't want somebody to walk in and be like, no, absolutely not.

And then you look like a dick because you're like, you didn't even give them a chance.

But knowing these people that I've met them before or you can tell pretty quickly on in a conversation or in just any sort of like relationship that you have with this person, like if they're going to be somebody you would date or not.

And rather than just being like, no, off the rip, I'm like, well, it's just like, let's have fun.

Like, yeah, I'll go on this date with you as a friend, but.

You never know.

And you want to let them down as nicely as you can.

But then it's also like a week is two days.

So it's like, okay, well, you don't have the luxury of taking your time to let this person down and do it in the best way possible.

It's like, it has to be kind of cutthroat.

And that's just like not me.

So it kind of also bit me in the ass a little bit.

Back to Dale, like, you're clearly not friends with them.

No, Dale and I are fine.

In that moment, we weren't friends.

Like, well, you're fine.

You know, that's you know, when I asked Nally something, then she's like, I'm fine.

You know, she's not fine.

Yeah.

Like, I've met him and we've hung out before, and we have no bad blood, no bad intentions towards one one another.

It just, at that point in the show, I had no ties to him.

Like, I, we didn't talk really.

We were competing for the same girl, which I, I wasn't going for Kat at that point.

Like, she was just a friend.

Um,

so, yeah, my loyalty was to Kat in that moment.

When you're watching it back, because the way it's aired, it, it's definitely being, Dale's being portrayed clearly an attractive guy.

I mean, I don't, I mean, I haven't seen him in real life, but he seemed like a very attractive guy, and he's big, tall, strong, and beautiful.

And he has a nice resume, but he is being portrayed as this unbelievable prize that everyone, you know, wants.

Like, is that how it felt on the beach?

And I guess, like, what was just your honest read about how Dale communicates with the women he pursues?

Because he seems to talk about how he's always down for, like, he wants to do opening communication.

I also like have a weird,

last week, guys, I was I was talking to my manager and we were just having having a business call and like i almost was like should we debt it like and i was being serious no like it's just like it got into my yep no vocabulary

i was like should we just like move on from it and i'm all i could think about was debting it no i'm just

i just really wanted to hate that happened to me in the word period no people start saying something like period like period girl and then that's just fun yeah

I say period all the time.

But yeah, do you think Dale's just a little bit...

I know you're fine.

I know you're chill.

I know you have no problem with him.

But do you think he's a little full of shit?

I don't know if full of shit's the right word.

Slightly disingenuous?

I think he's just, I don't know.

He's, again, he's Dale.

Like, he's

definitely.

Beautiful, light-skinned man.

I'm getting there.

I'm getting there.

Tall, beautiful, light-skinned man with colored eyes.

Like, I don't think he's gotten told no in his recent years of life.

I think in how he grew up, probably.

I don't know his background, but I think in recent years, him being who he is,

being so like.

because Kat doesn't know it's his either, you know, so I think he's just going about life the way that he would outside of the show, and you can get away with those things in the real world because they don't have one little controlled area that they're stuck in where they can communicate that.

Well, now there's cameras involved, and all the women that you're talking to can communicate that.

Not only can they communicate it, but they can see what you're doing.

You know what I mean?

So it's just like.

Well, it's because like, I think the problem, I empathize with Dale because if you're familiar with Dale's story, you know, he we he went on the bacherette to pursue Claire and Claire like fell in love with him day two and they got engaged and left the show within days of of filming.

So Dale had one of the most unique experiences being a part of this franchise.

And, you know, regardless of what happened with his relationship with Claire, with Claire, like, you know, going on the show is an experience.

You make friends.

It was like, it's a whole like summer camp retreat type of vibe.

And you could argue that Dale was, you know, that experience was taken from him on the bacherette.

So, like, totally get that, but like, just come in and say that and state that.

I'm curious when you got to, when you met Dale and he was kind of talking about, because like, I don't know how it was for you guys, but back in my day, a lot of people would kind of state like, why are they there?

Like, you know, just I want to date around or they would talk about their past relationships.

Did Dale make it clear to everyone that like he

hasn't had this experience before and he really wanted to stay open and pursue other relationships and made it very clear to everyone that he like early days he really wanted to take his time because it really seemed like he went hard and heavy to cat real quick and is telling cat everything she needs to hear and wants to hear while then he goes into his itms and he says like whoa you know like i just i just want to chill i just want to take it slow but he doesn't seem to be communicating that to cat and i'm just curious uh what did you see being you know boots on the ground?

Honestly, like from the get-go, he seemed like one of the only other guys that was similar to me that was just like kind of open and doing paradise, the paradise way, where you're trying to go on dates, you're trying to meet other people and not just locking into one person too quick.

I think the problem now when I watch it back is that he's like over-promising to each individual.

Like for me, I was like,

maybe, maybe not.

He's like, oh no, like I could actually see things with you.

And it's kind of biting him in the ass because not only are these girls getting excited, but then Kat hears about it and you're like,

oh, okay.

Yeah, that's not going to bear out too well.

And in her defense, from everything that I've heard too, about Kat from previous seasons, like, she's kind of holding herself together pretty well for everything that's going on on the show.

I'm like, she's my favorite.

You are so calm.

You handled that so well.

Like, that is not at all what I had heard about you from the past.

Like, you seem so calm, cool, collected.

Like, what's going on here?

um

and that's that's part of why i wanted to just like be her friend too because we had talked about it as well like how much growth she'd done through therapy and the things that she had done yeah i love how she calmly said to dale uh that she was triggered by dale assuming that life's been perfect for her it was just like oh yeah being triggered because someone thinks your life is perfect is

just saying I also loved when Alicia is talking to...

Also, I hate that all of like Grant's girls are getting together and like doing girl powwows and like leaving all the rest of the women out I get that like they all know each other yeah but you know feels a little clicky but for then Alicia to like sit with those girls and then be like oh yeah like you know Kat was yelling at Dale for like the date or whatever and she's like oh yeah like she told me that Dale's closed off.

I'm like, that's not what she said.

She said that Dale told her that he wants to be like like

intentional with her.

Like, everyone is just changing up the words, and it's like that changes the whole meaning and everything that, like, that's not what she said.

She didn't say Dale's closed off, like, at all.

So, it's just, you know, it's so funny to watch like one conversation happen and then someone like retell it to their friends, and it's in a completely different way.

Yeah, the game of telephone is a pain in the ass on paradise, that's for sure.

How close were you to having sex with April?

I was going to ask how you felt about seeing her kiss two other men.

Oh, man.

I'd rather kiss anything.

Oh, man.

Not close at all.

One.

That's too bad.

That is too bad.

And first of all, our moment was built up so much, her and I's,

but then also she like kisses two other people.

I'm like, he has really played off of her giving me the rose versus like, she made out with Sean.

And with Dale.

Yeah.

She made out with Sean?

Yeah.

Like full-time.

He was on top of her for a a while birds apparently the dale one that just seemed like a a shot the shot kiss that wasn't really it was the same with the bird thing i mean he yeah it's damn near the same yeah i love april so much though she's like the definition of like the word minks she's just like

so would you her purring

no

i love her so much but no would she probably

I don't know.

I don't know.

It could all be in good fun in her mind.

I haven't tried to like dig too deep into it.

She did say she loves younger men on the last show or on the last episode.

Yeah.

She's like, I don't know what my promise, but I like them young, she says.

Oh, that's what it was.

Yeah.

You had to quote accurately.

What was the best piece of advice that you got from one of the goldens?

Best piece of advice.

Honestly, the night that April had saved me, saved me, had given me her rose.

She had come up to me.

So she pulled me for a chat.

She just wanted to talk about where I was at with everything.

But also Leslie had pulled me for a chat that night too.

And they just wanted to like see how I was doing.

And I'd come to the conclusion, I was like, I'm going home.

And I was okay with it.

I was happy.

It was like nobody's here for me.

And all my friends are in great relationships.

Everybody seems good.

And I was happy to go.

But what they wanted to tell me collectively was like, hey, we know it's not working out for you.

Obviously, things don't seem great for you right now.

And I was like, but I'm in a good mood.

They're like, but.

Don't walk around with your head down at all.

Like, we see what your intent is.

We see what you're looking for.

We We know that you're trying to keep it like realistic in an unrealistic environment.

They're like, Yeah, it may bite you in the ass, but like when you find somebody, it's going to be phenomenal.

And like, just keep doing that.

Yeah.

And for me, you know, I'm thinking, like, damn, I'm failing at paradise.

But they're sitting here being like, don't, don't think that at all.

Like, you're doing incredible as a human, as a contestant, as everything.

Like, just keep going.

And they genuinely, and not even just up until this point but the duration of my time here they save paradise for me through and through like they're just so reassuring so sweet and like if there's ever an issue with me or with whatever is going on they they see it and they see through it and they they know what to say and they're able to like be realistic and communicate what they see intent wise behind actions not just the mistakes that are made sometimes.

It sounds like they were like helping keeping you grounded in this.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

So much.

So wholesome.

Jonathan, what, uh, what can we come to expect when they, it seems like next week, I thought it was going to be this week, but introduce the half a million dollar prize that contestants can potentially win.

And what can we come to expect or what will, how will that change the beaches of paradise?

Yeah, I think.

I answered this last week and I actually really liked the way that it was, it came out.

But like, I think in Paradise is before,

you know good couples kind of just like fall off to the side because you're like oh there's no drama here you don't want to see what's going on like yeah you want to see at the end of the day you want to see people happy and in like a loving relationship those are the people that win at the end but you don't get to be a part of their relationship their journey throughout it like they just you're like okay they're good over there let's see the drama over here well i think with the way it changes you know they're putting good relationships and even bad ones in scenarios where you're getting pressed or you're getting challenged and you're outside of this like comfort zone.

You're not just on an all-inclusive vacation anymore.

You're doing these games where it's like, hey, are you guys compatible?

Are you guys good?

Are you going to be able to make it through challenging communication, random things?

And you get to see people kind of pushed and you get to be a part of people's love story.

You get to see, hey, they are as amazing as it looks on the outside or no, they are shakier than we even thought.

And it's a really cool like juxtaposition that you get to watch it from versus like old paradises where it's just like yeah they're they're there they're happy we're cool in this episode we see jill goes home i know that you guys had like a interesting argument can you shed some light on what exactly was going on with that argument because i as a viewer left kind of confused what the contention was there and then i also just want to know how you feel about her going home and her exit for sure um i mean for our disagreement, you know, she had come on and I had known that, again, we were just friends.

And then, kind of going into like the date, we played a like adult twister and we shared a kiss.

And we had an amazing conversation at the end of the date.

You know, her and I hadn't talked in a bit, but the conversation we had was just so easy, so natural.

And I was like, wow, this is really good.

And I knew things were still very strong with Alex.

And I wanted to give her my rose, but I had...

And this is where the miscommunication on my end comes from.

Like, hey, you made my decision a lot harder.

And in the meaning of that, I meant like my decision to go with Alex was a lot harder because her and I haven't had a conversation that natural since we've been matched up.

And I think she was like, you know what?

Like it feels like as if you're leading me on.

And that was where my mistake had fallen into place.

And I was like, you know what?

I'm so sorry for miscommunicating.

I'm sorry for this.

I'm sorry for that.

And that was not at all my intent was to hurt you in any way, shape or form.

I wanted to make sure that you had a good date,

not pairing up with anybody.

So then when it came around that second time, you know, she was still a little upset with me, even after our first conversation.

And I was just like, hey, I just want to say I'm so sorry one more time.

And I wanted to just hear her out, see if she needed to get anything else off of her chest.

And then she tried to be like, hey, I'm not actually upset.

And I was like, oh, well,

kind of seems like you are.

But just didn't say that she was.

I was like, okay, whatever.

And I just wanted to voice my side.

You know, I just want, I think it was a moment of.

weakness and defensiveness where I just wanted to be heard.

So I was trying to, and she would just keep on repeat being like, you make no sense you make no sense maybe i made no sense maybe i did i don't know i don't have the transcript back but i was just like i don't know when when you're you're feeling unheard all you want is just for that person to have a little patience with you or just be like you know what yeah i hear you and i understand you and that's fine we can move on um and i just don't think she she wanted to give that to me and i got i got defensive and i got upset and i was getting emotional i was like well this sucks and we just kind of had to just end it after that because i was like this isn't going to go anywhere i felt for jill you know she seems like a really sweet person i i suspect that maybe Jill's man will not be someone that Bacher would cast on their show.

Yeah.

Jill's incredible.

She's hilarious.

You know, she's got a lot of love to give.

And yeah, I agree.

I don't think actually, well, I know for a fact on Paradise her person wasn't there, but she's going to find somebody very, very sweet.

I would have loved to see her with Brett.

Hate to bring him back.

With Brett?

You know Brett.

Why wasn't Brett obsessed with Brett?

Where is Brett?

He's just kicking it, wearing his halo mask at home.

Yeah, I know.

I saw that.

And he added to the comedic lore.

That is Brett.

But, you know, it's like a Jill.

Jill, like, you know, her whole exit was very like, you know, very bachelor, but very, like, yeah, I'm just so tired of not being picked.

And yeah.

And I think a lot of people feel like Jill often feels, but like, I feel like it's a classic of like, stop going after the same, like, stop going after the same people who make you always feel the same way

about yourself.

You know, clearly Jill has a lot to offer the right person, but like she doesn't feel seen by these men that she's pursuing bachelor you know they they have a spectrum of personalities but there's a mold of of people that they they cast on their shows I bonded with that exit so hard too like in those moments like yeah there's moments where I friend zone people but in the moments where you just continuously get friends on by the people that you want or just and I think in her case she was just like being like anybody you know she was just over it and tired of it and it's like you can see how much that means to her too and i'm like god like not only do we resonate with you, but everybody at home is going to resonate with the fact that you feel this way because I don't think there's a single person that hasn't dealt with that.

And if you haven't, like, fuck you, because like that means you've probably been beautiful and cool your entire life.

And we just don't trust you.

But for the most part,

she reacted to Sean's reaction to her leaving.

She was like, I'm going to do you a favor and I'm going to leave.

And he was like, what?

Oh, that was such a fake.

Like, oh, we're not getting married.

You know, you know, this isn't going anywhere.

Like, please.

She's like, yeah, you know, we're not getting married.

He had nothing to say.

It was pretty great.

Yeah.

Jonathan, it's always great talking with you.

Thanks for shedding some light on everything that's going on on Paradise.

He'll let my audience know where they can follow you and all that fun stuff.

You can follow me on TikTok or Instagram at Jiggity John.

And I think I said my LinkedIn last time.

I was like, follow me, Jonathan Johnson on LinkedIn.

Not that interesting.

Or Facebook, whichever you want.

Facebook's probably the easiest way to contact me.

I'll actually see it.

I love facebook i'm actually going to connect with you on linkedin after that actually no linkedin might be number one you should be a mess i connect with everybody on linkedin and then i chat with them you weren't by any chance at david doberg's party over the weekend were you no okay wait why because uh i don't know if you know who janae and kenny are of uh love island seven season six but they have broken up and uh they were last seen at david doberg's party together so we're trying to figure out on saturday even though they were broken up so you're trying to figure out if they are aren't broken up no they're broken up we're just trying to figure out if you were there.

Maybe you saw something.

Maybe you heard something.

I'm going to be so honest.

I didn't watch Love Island.

All right.

Yeah.

That's true.

Get the fuck out.

I've met the cast, and they're all great.

Like, they seem really, really sweet.

Like, who's the guy that won?

Brian?

Is that his name?

Oh, Brian and Amaya.

So fucking nice.

Oh, yeah.

The nicest dude.

Wouldn't want anybody else to win this season.

Really?

Yeah.

We're talking about last season, though.

That's okay.

Oh, oh.

All right.

You don't know.

No, no, no, no.

Well, when i think last season i think the one that just ended yeah yeah

he's technically right okay

well jonathan it's always a pleasure to have you appreciate you coming buddy up next we have gertie from the real housewives of miami to talk about her celebration of life party also known as the party decide she decided to bring the receipts but before we get to gertie We do have your rapid recap to bring any of you who didn't watch Miami up to speed with all of the drama that happened last episode.

All right, here's our rapid recap.

We had Julia and Martina kid reveal.

They are so cute.

Plus, one of them is wearing a baby Balenciaga shirt, which is so stupid.

I love it.

We get a FaceTime from Karamo Brown from Queer Eye in a rare moment of Netflix and Peacock brand integration, inviting Julia and the girls to an LGBTQ event.

Gay people love a cause.

In true ally fashion, Stephanie Sojay picks up Marisol in a Rolls-Royce with a bar installed in the cup holder.

Marisol then reveals in said Rolls-Royce that she has the colon of a newborn.

Also, if anyone was wondering, Alexia is maybe kind of back on with Todd.

Gertie throws a Celebration of Life event in honor of her breast cancer.

At the event, Alexia gets annoyed that Stephanie Sojay doesn't fuck with her and Todd.

Gertie gets up to speak, and it's amazing.

She's so beautiful and vulnerable and powerful.

Shout out Gertie.

But then Gertie gets up to speak again.

It's about Julia.

And what does she do?

She broadcasts her text with Julia about the cruise with Captain Sandy up on the big screen for all to see.

A la Kenya Moore.

Everyone is confused because they thought that Gertie and Julia were cool, but also they're pretending that exposing paragraphs of text that no one can read on a big screen is a bigger violation than dumping water on someone's head.

This leads to a blowout between Alexia and Stephanie Sojay that is technically about being up Gertie's ass, but really all about Todd.

Overall, are Alexia and Todd in-game?

Can Gertie come back from this?

What constitutes the colon of a newborn?

We'll find out soon.

Very, very happy for Julia, obviously, with...

you know, her family growing.

It was a little bizarre how Bravo chose to air that reveal.

It was so random.

I was like, wait.

I mean, so everyone's just meeting her kids for the first time right now.

That's not clear.

She said it up in the last episode that she was going to bring in the kids.

She was like, oh, I think I'm like, it's time to like introduce the kids to the girls.

We've seen pictures of them throughout.

Yeah, I think there was something where she was like going through final stages with like the adoption and whatnot because she had a meeting last episode.

Yeah.

And so I think this was.

It just didn't feel like it had the moment you would think it would.

Like a little party, maybe?

Or like.

I totally get not wanting to bring your kids on a TV show.

First and foremost.

Totally respect that.

But if you are, just, it's obviously a beautiful story.

And then, like, Alexia, has she like known them for years?

I'm just like,

she walked in and was like, oh, and like, started kissing them and, like, loved them.

That's just Alexia.

Literally.

Plus, a little Tina's thing.

Yeah.

She's like, I mean, I'm going to be your favorite Tia ever.

Yeah.

And you know what?

She probably will be.

She would be mine too.

She looks like a real-life Barbie.

I would.

Bringing donuts.

I would die.

Do you Alexia?

Do you think Marisol's doctor literally said you have the colon of a baby?

No, I think she, that's a, that's a Myersol original.

Yeah.

Like, I have the colon of a newborn.

Yeah, they probably were like, wow, it's, you know, pretty great colon in here.

Like, not, definitely not a lot of polyps.

And she goes, that of a newborn.

Exactly.

But basically brand new.

Basically brand new, which means she can have as many screwdrivers as she wants for the time being.

I will say she does need to be studied because that woman has an alcohol, multiple alcoholic beverages a day and she still looks flawless, still acts flawless.

And I'm just like, how are your insides not just like rotted?

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Gertie, welcome back to The Vile Files.

It's so great to have you.

How are you doing?

I'm doing good.

I'm holding up.

Were you kind of like dreading going into this episode or were you like looking forward to it?

You know, it's so funny.

I didn't know what to expect because, you know,

what I did at my party was out of, you know, obviously huge.

It was a huge thing for me internally to struggle with like, what do i do with this whole thing you know when i i did decide i'm like should i do this now

and i just did it you know so sometimes you just act and then you think later like oh you know so it was one of those moments you know well first of all girdie i just want to say just my not that my opinion matters i absolutely loved it and i

i wish i we were you know is is it entertaining for people watching yes but you know it's it's not my proudest moment of course at all you know i never wanted to even get to this space.

And what cornered me, you know, is, you know, obviously to be revealed when I talk about the details that led me to just kind of be like, like, when am I going to be heard?

You know, and so it was really kind of one of those situations where I just, I don't know, I just snapped.

You know, you heard like the show snap.

It was one of those things.

I'm like, nope, I'm going to do it.

You know, so it was one of those things.

I don't know.

Can you explain to our audience from your perspective, the beef with Julia?

How did it all start?

Like, what is her issue with you?

Okay.

So, it all started, I guess, with her and herself, because there was no beef.

We went on a cruise in 2023, guys.

What?

Yes.

This is like two years old.

Yeah.

This is November, like this, the December 1st of 2023.

And keynote, this is before we even go to season six reunion.

Oh, so this is like old.

Guys,

I felt, I felt like I was on the Truman show.

I literally was like, what is happening?

Please make this stop because it was, it was like surreal to say, you know, so this whole time past is 2023, we go on a beautiful cruise, myself and my husband.

There's three different itineraries.

So I was day one, which was the two days.

And then the next two days was a different group going on this cruise.

She was for itinerary two.

I was itinerary one.

two passing ships in the night i go home and she's on her way there she then calls me and says, Martina can't go anymore.

Something's wrong.

But the way that she sounds, she's very emotional.

And I'm like, is everything okay with Martina?

What's going on?

And she's like, no, I can't talk about it now.

I'm in glam right now, but I'll call, I'll tell you about it later.

And I'm like, well, what do you, what's, what's going on?

Like, what do you need?

Can you come and be with me on the cruise?

You hear your friend in distress.

You hear something's wrong with Martina.

In my mind, I'm thinking, please don't tell me.

I'm thinking that you know the worst that is back.

And I'm like, okay, okay, I just got home.

I'm packing, but I'll repack.

Send me the itinerary.

So she's, she doesn't tell me on the phone what it is.

She tells me to, that she'll tell me on the ship.

I get my stuff.

I'm like, Russell, I'm so sorry.

And I'm packing.

And even Russell's mom is in the room because she came to watch the kids.

And she's like, what happened?

Is everything okay with Martina?

We're all in like, oh my God, I want to hear the worst news.

And I got to be there for her to pick her up.

off the floor on this cruise.

Go.

And by the way, the cruise, you're going to hear the word.

It was for work.

We all have the same offer letter from this cruise.

All of the cast members were invited on this cruise.

Adriana was on the cruise with me on my first leg.

It was barter.

It was like cruise for content.

That's what it was.

It was not a paid anything.

FYI.

And so we go on the cruise.

The itinerary that I received had everything in order, dinners here, this and that, and so forth.

It was on day two, night two.

We have the best time on day one.

Night two, she's i hear that i am being placed somewhere else to have dinner alone because there's a private reception dinner that she is going to now her publicist who happens to be alexis bellino's publicist you know tells me we send you we're you know we're all organized your name is on the list and i'm kind of like okay i guess i don't make a fuss about it i go to where i'm i'm swung I go to the place and they don't even have my reservation.

So now I'm like, oh my God, how embarrassing.

Like, what am I doing on the ship?

Yeah.

What am I doing on the ship?

And the first thing i say when i walk up on the ship and i see her she's with her publicist and i'm like julia are you okay like is everything okay she tells me what martina's issue is and then i say well you're doing networking you have your pr person there i can just go home i was supposed to be packing for watch what happens live i was like going on the

you know airplane in a couple of days what is this cruise ship Miami.

It's celebrity.

It's the ascend from celebrity cruises.

So it's, it was just going out to like borderline Bahamas and then just coming back home it was like a whole new ship you know showing us the the the glitz you know right so i'm literally like okay um you're good here you told me what happened to martina we're good and then i stayed because she's like no no no i want you to stay so she's with a pr person they go to this private dinner they swing me out no problems until i'm like realizing i'm like i'm on this ship for this the rest of these next four hours i'm just like lollygagging around doing nothing.

And then I'm just kind of like feeling like this is not really nice because Martina was supposed to be her guest.

So this is Captain Sandy who we were hanging out the night before.

Everything was cool.

Why couldn't I just be the seat that was dedicated for your plus one?

So I say to her on text message, hey, like, I'm here.

They don't have my reservation.

I'm not mad, but I'm just feel like, what am I doing here?

And I left my family to be here on this cruise with you.

I just don't know what to do with myself.

And this is like weird, right?

And so I guess in her mind, that was considered an argument.

Like she even said, oh, I'm so sorry.

I wouldn't have asked you to come on the cruise.

But anyway, where are you?

And we were supposed to meet for drinks later, which we didn't.

A year and a half, almost two years later, you bring this on camera.

Yeah.

And

not even anything.

There was no conversation by phone about it.

It was just a text conversation.

almost two years passes by and the first time that she actually confronts me with it is at the wedding chaos and where she throws the water at me and i'm kind of like what is on so she got mad at you because you went home early no she got mad at me because i questioned why would why would i not be able to attend the event with you since i'm here for you so she didn't like the tone and she didn't like the questioning me of what i'm doing and you should be grateful so this got turned into gertie volunteered to be on a cruise i just left the cruise gurdy made everything about her this is night two the last event where i thought on the itinerary we were going to dinner together but you swing me somewhere and I'm alone.

I made things about me.

Gertie was talking crap about Alexia.

And I'm like, I was actually imitating your barracuda argument with Alexia in front of Jen Fessler.

But she takes that out and says, Gertie was talking crap about you, Alexia.

So for the ladies, I'm kind of like, I can almost understand why they were like, oh, we don't fuck with Gertie because you have.

Julia throughout this entire hiatus that the show is off the air in their ear without me knowing this whole time.

Everyone's nice to me, texting me, how the boards, how's your recovery, the whole thing.

And then I walk in and

no one's inviting me to think.

And I'm like, so she did a good, you know, Taylor Swift tour on that one.

Went around the world, talked all that crap.

And I'm the one that's like not in the know of what's going on.

So that's the beginning of the season.

It's like me going like this, like, what's going, what's going on?

But what's so crazy is the end of last season, you guys were the best of friends.

So it's all of us.

I was like, I was on a text thread with Marisol, Kiki, Alexia, like for eight months, just us talking crap.

We're trying to make a dinner date.

Like we're having a good time.

And nothing was of this nature until closer to filming.

I'm starting to hear little whispers.

Like Adriana's like, hey,

so how was the cruise?

What happened?

And then when I heard what happened, I was like, what are you talking about?

But in my mind, I'm like, well, Julia couldn't have been talking crap about it because she never bought anything up to me.

So the cruise question asked, Kiki asked me, oh, hey, how was the cruise what happened once and then adriana twice this is before filming and then i was just kind of like well i just sent her a cake for her birthday like martinas you know flowers for the recovery text we're not beefing at all she was sitting on the same couch as me for season six like having my back like no issues can you imagine like an issue that in your head you have from season six when you could have brought it up right at the reunion if you wanted to, I guess.

Do you wait until the next season on Hydas and and bring it up to the screen?

Why do you think she did that?

What does that say to you?

Okay, well, you know, you know what it says to you.

Okay, okay.

It's kind of like you got to come up.

And by the way, here's the issue:

Julia made a big mistake by getting greedy with her storylines.

That's what happened.

How beautiful of a story of those beautiful boys, like, stick with your real life.

Like, don't say

that's what happened, guys.

And it's very easy to see.

And I'm just kind of like, why at my expense?

And I have some traumas in the past that I think you're going to see through finally going to therapy.

Like, I get triggered when it's the isolating me, like, the whole, like, you don't matter, like, you're below.

I have a whole thing with that.

So, tie this in with this big issue and the group collectively just kind of being like, I don't know, and letting what happened at the wedding happen to me, it was the biggest trigger ever.

And I was like, wow,

wow.

You know, so, so these emotions were brewing.

And, you know, one thing you learn when you go through something big like I did, you know, it's like you tell yourself, I'm a fighter now.

I'm a survivor.

I'm going to take care of me.

The first thing Martina told me was, be selfish, start taking care of you.

And I was like, okay, it's hard to do, but I'm going to.

So now I'm trying to take care of me.

I release what no longer serves me.

Wrong place, wrong time.

But it was emotions like, no way, we're not doing this.

And I needed to, in my head, like slap on the wrist, you don't get to treat me this way again.

And I did it at the wrong place.

I did it at the wrong time, but I'm human.

And I think that people hold this big thing, like, okay, because you have the C word now, you have, you know, more responsibility.

And it's like the scarlet letter I hold.

It's kind of like, damn, if I do, damn, if I don't, I'm human.

I made a mistake and I own it.

And you'll see that things get way better, by the way.

Things get way better.

We, we, you know, we go to Spain and we have a great time, but getting there is a process, you know?

Well, again, I, you know, I understand why you're saying you made a mistake.

You know, listen, we watched this show for, for its amazing entertainment and it was entertaining.

So I, I, I still want to thank you for choosing to bring the receipts to the party.

We know you as an iconic party planner already.

And if you could have a bit of fun with me, I am just curious, as a party planner yourself, like, did.

When is the perfect time when you're planning a party to like drop the receipts at the party?

Like, did you go into this party like, you know, all right, you know, right, first we're going to celebrate life.

We're going to say what I need to say.

And then, you know, like right before we get to the, the, the act, we're going to drop the receipts.

Like when, when is the perfect time to bring the drama at a party if you want to have a little bit of everything at the perfect party?

Yeah.

Well, the way I did my party is, you know, my husband is not a dancer.

My kids are not, you know, into entertainment and all that stuff.

And, you know, so I knew that I had my party and my timeline was like, obviously, main event after party.

So, that's what I always do for every wedding I do.

I do the biggest weddings ever, and we always do a main event, a reception, and then we go into another room, like for an after-party.

So, in my mind, my mind is trained to think that way.

So, my event was the main event where I shared my testimony.

And, of course, it's going to include the C-word, you know, like damn if I like, okay, I had my testimony and I cried, and I thanked my husband, I gave him flowers.

And then I had two friends.

Listen to this because the spin-on-it was a cancer survivor fundraiser charity in a church is to me like so slanderous to even think that I would do all these things.

Two friends of mine who actually are my friends' friends, as were 30 people in the room.

This was not for patrons of the cancer association that gave a donation to attend my event.

These were my friends' friends that I hang out with all the time.

Like, hey, I'm having a little party, you know, whatever, celebrating, being cancer-free.

Come over, refill me.

That's what it was.

Two of them happened to have breast cancer.

Okay, they're my friends, you know?

And then what I said to myself is, okay, the knot is presenting me this amazing party because it was my magazine cover launch.

And I'm like, I don't want it to be like about me, like just like, oh, thank you.

And look at my cover.

So I was like, oh, I spoke to my girls.

I've made a group called Support Your Girlfriends.

And we go out every year to Bermuda.

We have the best of fun.

It's about supporting each other's businesses and supporting whatever.

And they're like, Gertie, my God, can I present a check?

Because we have this 10K and we were going to do it for this foundation, which is one of the girlfriends who was at the event.

but let's do it on stage to bring awareness to like the you know the the two organizations in my mind i'm like of course why not

why not it's my party i'm doing my testimony and i instead of just being about the big cover i'm like let me also have them paid forward and present your check so now it's a cancer survivor charity event and i did this on top of it and i'm like no the event was like wrapped up of the main act and the second part was like you see me immediately say okay let's have fun you know rocky Lanes, and the band starts playing.

So, that was completely different from the first act.

The band was not there on the first act, it was the second act of the event.

You didn't go into the party like planning this, you only like you did it on the spot after you heard what she had said to your husband, right?

So, the night of the water toss, right, when she threw the water, and I'm hearing this for the first time by volunteering to go to the thing.

I went home and I was like, Okay, we're gonna bring these receipts together because one day, one of these moments, I'm gonna show the girls.

I went out to lunch with Alexia, I'm like, this is not true let me tell you about the cruise i went to dinner with kiki she's lying migraine kiki were stretching i told like i'm trying to tell you my truth larsa even at the wedding goes you know what julia is a lot of things gertie but she's not a liar and i'm looking at her like

this the system is rigged they're not going to believe me then no one's going to believe me So after I've attempted, I'm like, guys, even at the wedding, I'm trying to tell them and she can't handle the truth.

And she tries to stop me by doing the water toss.

And I'm like, okay.

So I already had my compilation of like my text messages just off to the side.

And then it wasn't until I'm like, okay, I want to do it.

And you hear me say to my assistant, okay, I just sent you something and we're doing this.

Like when I say go, you go.

That's what happened.

You see it on screen.

So was it in the back of my mind to reveal them?

Of course.

Did I have a specific time or place?

Not yet, because I was like, let's see what the producers have me film with these girls.

And then the next opportunity was my party.

And when I heard that she was still victimizing herself and like, oh, we're in a better place.

And she broke the pact that she created for us.

I'm like, I just can't, like, I can't let this go on.

What did the screenshots in your mind show and reveal?

Because I think there was some confusion with the audience and even in the rest of the women because.

There seemed to be a lot there, a lot of conversation.

But in your mind, as I think one of the producers asked in the show, like, what was your smoking gun?

Like, what was the thing that you were trying to get across?

Like, what did you want the audience or the women to like see in terms of like what your point was about julia

okay so first of all i redacted all the names

so when i went and redacted the names right

i'm like

what like you know no one who was at the party would look at it and be like it's her shame shame to her because you don't even know who it's for so the name on top that said Julia on my phone, that was redacted, Martina's name, everybody's name.

So all this was context to tell them, you say I've,

what Julia was trying to get out to the girls is like, look at Gertie.

She's so thirsty.

She makes everything about her.

And then she's, you know, she's just selfish and she's an opportunist.

And I'm like, but I.

The fact, the core of the whole thing was like, I literally dropped everything I had to go.

I'm like, I'm going to be there for you.

What do you need?

Initially, and then you were with your PR.

You're like, oh, no, I'm going to need you.

Just stay.

And I'm now a seat filler.

So it was the feeling of feeling like I'm here for you, but then all of a sudden you disregard me when you need to, but then come to the spot with me.

Okay, now you don't have dinner with us.

Go over there.

That feeling comes from my past of just the neglect, being neglected and just feeling like I'm not good enough to do this with you.

That's where that core is.

And everyone could judge me and say, no, well, you should have still never

made mistakes.

And I honestly, it came from the bottom of emotional hurt i was so hurt that this is the person who was by my bedside this is the person who should have known better like this is like to come for me out of all people when i'm just getting back on my feet and you want to cut me at my knees

that was really hard but

really hard but the the context of the text was to show like I'm not the person she's painting to be.

Like, look at this.

She says I volunteered.

I would not have suggested for you to leave your kids in russell to come be on the cruise with me is that's volunteering you tell me these people that i make things about me and the whole cruise i was talking about me me me and i didn't check on martina you'll see the receipts in coming days of course i asked for about martina that was all i was doing is thinking what happened why wouldn't why would i go on the cruise and not ask so what happened That was the whole reason I was there.

But she literally told them, I never checked on Martina once and I made everything about me that's huge guys do you understand that and so for me to hear that i'm like my good intentions are never going to be they're never going to land she's going to pay me out to be like i just i've wanted all the cruise and i'm move move over move your bed over i'm gonna i just got on the same cruise and was in the same big two bed two story suite as you why do you think that i'm like the hell like just come on you are here i give you pity like a pity party that that

hurt me so bad and i kept it for weeks and weeks and trying to tell people no one will listen.

So if there's anyone out there who has had an issue when the truth is so clear and I'm not dying and they're called a liar and it's like no one wants to hear your truth.

Everyone's gone through that.

Well, we're listening, Gertie.

And we're so glad that you

shared that with us and got it out.

Switching gears a little bit, Alexia this past episode referred to the rest of her cast as narcissists and also mentioned that she can't be a narcissist because she's an empath.

And I just would love to have your thoughts on that.

Okay, we the first step is to admit we all know that in any the first step is to say, hi, I'm Gertie, and I up, you know, I might, you know, but like you gotta start taking accountability.

And

Alexia, of course, is a narcissist, as we are all.

So I'm not saying it's only her because you know what they try to do.

You gird you, you're too loud.

You interrupt, it's all about you.

But we all have the same traits, and I think that's why we all put together to create this show.

So it's hypocritical obviously but you know i still love it for it

i always say if you've accused more than two people to be a narcissist you you're probably a narcissist you know right i everybody is i think on the cast i think everybody is on the cast yeah going back to the you know grecian party the narcissist party what made you want to get between larsa and lisa oh my god

Guys, I don't know what the heck that was.

I didn't even know until I saw it that it was actually a throne and you had this red backdrop.

It was so gaudy.

I was like, oh my God.

And I guess maybe subconsciously, I was kind of like, well, let's get into this mess because no one got into mine when I got the water thrown and it was hurting my face and jumping up and so forth.

No one flinched.

And I was like, you know what?

Let's have a talk.

You guys, go ahead.

Don't let him win.

You need to apologize.

I don't know what was that was about, but that was actually so funny.

Oh my God.

When I look back at it, I thought I was cringing.

You just wanted to appreciate it.

Yeah.

I failed bigly.

I failed bigly.

What do you feel like Julia would need to do to get back into your good graces?

Well, I don't think she,

I don't think she wants to actually, because, you know, at the premiere party itself,

she

says, oh, I want Gertie to stay as far away as possible.

And it's, it's kind of like, if you look at the sit-down that we have when we've the first attempt, where we try to hatch it out, she only apologized for throwing the water.

That's it and demanded of me to apologize for the reaction after the water was tossed negating her attacking me negating her over me and and scream

and i and i fell for it i was kind of like because this is at the sign in my character so i'm like okay so if i was unhinged i'm sorry but then i'm afterwards i'm like but wait she didn't even apologize for anything so the lies continued and then she says i'm gonna definitely never talk to the girls about whatever we talk about they'll stay between us And then at the narcissist party, unwarranted, the guy's like moving on.

And she stops.

What about me?

To shame me again in front of the girls.

Like I'm like some kind of crazy, scary, what does she call me?

Psychopath scary.

And that's, that's a pathological liar.

And I'm like,

okay, I like, how do I, how do I combat this when?

no one is going to question her and and no one's going to listen to me you know

so yeah i mean how did that feel to have no one had your back i mean it's like you've known these women for so long and like yeah well you know well lisa and adriana weren't there and and you'll see actually stephanie you know steps up and you're like listen i'm gonna listen to what's going on in there and they don't like it now it's kind of like uh-oh We don't want to hear the truth right now.

La la la.

We're too busy making a big deal about the type of party and the when that she did it.

And we're too busy judging all that that they didn't even want to hear like the facts that would validate and just kind of squash the whole thing.

So, in my head, it was like, okay,

you know, I'm going to, like, I went to chat GPT.

I was like, okay,

like, I already had, you know, like, just kind of like, this is what I want to say when I get an opportunity.

And then all of a sudden, when I'm like, I'm going to send it, I'm like, okay, chat GPT.

And that's when I'm that speech comes up quick, and I'm like, okay,

the truth about my party.

Okay.

So it was really kind of like,

I thought that that would be

in my mind, I guess at that time, going to be the one that solidified the start over in a way.

But obviously

it didn't.

And, you know, so I should have probably like took a beat and calmed my anger and just like thought about it till the next day and maybe come up with another plan.

But if not, then when in my mind, because when I think of it, it's like the reunion.

It gets edited, you know, you don't see anything and

then chaos and confusion.

People are talking over each other.

So it would have never landed, I guess, in my mind then.

So I just felt like this is the opportunity now.

Do it now.

Like now.

So, boom.

I just did it.

I just did it.

And,

you know,

timing was not perfect at all.

I'm sure we'll obviously get to see a lot as the season unfolds in the reunion.

But as much as you can answer,

where do you sit with the women today?

Well, actually, you know, Alexia, I think, starts now, starting to realize the bigger picture, you know, because her and I had actually a conversation a couple of weeks ago, maybe

two weeks ago, three weeks ago.

And I talked to her and she's like, Gertie, I didn't know.

And I was like, but Alexia, I try to tell you.

And I guess she's, she's finally realizing she goes, I didn't, I didn't understand, you know, like, I didn't understand the severity of like every single thing.

Every single thing was a lie.

Every single thing.

And

she's like, you know, but why would she do that?

And I'm like, I can't answer that, Alexia.

But like, this is where we are, you know, so you, I think, and in her interview recently, she says, you know, she wishes she could have done more.

So I'm happy to hear that because, you know what?

We were good until this spin, this slenderous tour that she was on.

And so now I feel like people, you know, like, you know, Larsa texted me something about the Narcissist party.

She goes, oh my God, Dr.

Phil, you're so funny.

You know, so like, we're, we're, I think everyone's kind of like feeling each other out.

because but and when you see the way that we ended the season we end on a great note but when you watch it back and I'm sitting here not realizing what's happening behind my back and I'm watching like a viewer and I'm kind of like, wait, so that's why Alexis didn't invite me to that party because she thought the same talking point, mind you, I make things about me, which is exactly what Julia said.

So the trickle-down effect of the damage for eight months of the whole time that we were on hiatus.

carries itself into the season.

And you have girls with talking points that don't even understand the severity of how it's making me look bad.

And I'm like, now now i think people are just kind of waking up like

because you know julia is very self-spoken and you know it it's it's like you know it allures you to oh

and it allured me i thought i had a friend in her yeah and just so that you know like martina i want to actually you know kind of defend her because

at the first the first episode which was jodi's birthday party remember that yeah

before you see her get nasty she's nice i'm literally like okay what you know what's how the boys what is the name and then she tells me the names that they changed them to And then, and then she's like, okay, well, you know, and then I think she gets to look from Julia.

And then all of a sudden it's like,

cold.

Oh, oh, and then, and then the dismissal.

And then that same kind of feeling that I get that triggers me of like, what,

how are they treating me this way?

What did I do?

That's, you know, so it was a repeat of that kind of feeling carrying itself over and over again.

And I was just kind of like, oh no, this is, she can't,

I'm going to snap.

Like, this is, you know, this is too much you know the victimization and then it's at my expense and making me look like i did something and i did nothing to her thank you for answering our questions it relates to the housewife stepping away from the housewife's drama of it all and getting to some just more important stuff before we let you go how's the family how's your health how are you doing so yeah i'm great um you know and i won't talk about the little things because you know what i do appreciate what i have and you know some people have it worse and so i'm just kind of glad that i'm over the hump and i'm doing great.

My family is amazing.

My son just graduated, my oldest

high school.

So now he's going into college.

And we just came back from Japan celebrating him.

So that's really good.

That's really good.

Yeah.

Gertie, it's always a pleasure to talk with you.

Thank you for coming on and sharing your truth and giving us context to everything that we got to see this past episode.

Where can my audience find you, follow you, and all that fun stuff as we follow your journey?

Yes, Gertie Design on Instagram.

I'm not so much of a TikTok person, but I gertie design on tick tock as well uh i kind of keep a low-key low profile type of thing so instagram is my big platform that i go on and uh and obviously the real house was in miami on wednesdays um 9 p.m on peacock and um and bravo gertie always a pleasure thanks for taking the time i hope we get to talk to you again soon thank you guys take care

thank you so much bye guys

you've never done anything wrong you're an icon oh no

obviously i make mistakes

Thank you guys so much.

Thanks, Gertie.

Bye.

Bye.

Anything we want to unpack from that?

Are we ready to get into some OC?

They just could never make me hate her.

That's all I have to say.

She's so.

Yeah, right.

She's straight up.

She comes with the facts.

There are seats.

No stutter, no stumble.

I was going to say, I was hanging out with Captain Sandy already.

She makes a good point.

It's usually the quiet ones are a little sneaky.

That's,

yeah.

There's a lot to unpack there, but yeah.

I was like, why would you need to bring a friend if you had your publicist with you?

Right.

Really?

Like, that makes zero sense.

Alexis Bellinio's publicist.

Alexis Bellino's publicist.

Name drops.

Jane Fessler of it all.

I was like, oh my God, wait, I love Jen Fessler.

Sorry, the fact that like she's just casually like, and from New Jersey and from Orange County.

And I was like, okay, Gertie.

I think Alexis Bellino, according to Shannon Badour.

She is no longer public enemy number one because that title is now going to Katie.

No.

And it has,

you know,

I like to think of myself as a Shannon Bedor stan, but Alexis was an excellent villain.

And let's just not bury that already.

Like, that was a whole season of just horrible, horrible treatment towards you.

Why are we so quick to...

That's like having Hannibal Lecter as your villain.

And then, like, one of the FBI guys becomes the number one op in the next movie.

You know what I mean?

Well, we do have a rapid recap for your Real Housewives of Orange County.

If you didn't get this episode, it is time for episode three, knee-deep in lies.

Okay, so Katie and Gina are cool again because they bonded over a scalp treatment.

Shannon's still mad at Katie for recording her crash out and still single, but she's wearing matching bowling shirts with her friend Adam to a function, which is diva behavior.

I cannot lie.

Then we've got Tamra still in therapy, still hating Gretchen, and maybe about to get sued by Ryan because of the whole FBI thing.

Speaking of Ryan, Jin is mad at Heather because she doesn't want to invite Ryan to her birthday party.

Tamara FBI.

But let's get to the main event, Heather Dubrow's birthday party.

Her birthday was two months ago, but it's incredible and fabulous, and she has french fries alongside caviar bumps.

No one uses their money better.

At the event, Jin and Ryan show up, and Tamara is nowhere to be seen.

I have to throw in that Ryan showed up a day after he had knee surgery.

Just to make sure I agree.

That was great.

Yeah.

This guy is trying to...

be a fan favorite so bad.

He's like, I have no knees, but yeah, I'm coming.

I'm there.

Not no knees.

Shannon comes with her friend Phil, not the bowling alley guy, but it's Phil from Love Hotel, who is just a friend.

But it seems like she may be in her slut era, just a tad.

Gina thinks it's entertaining.

Can't help but agree.

Also, Gretchen reveals that she broke Slade's penis, and now when he gets hard, it's curved, which...

We don't need to know, girl.

But then Shannon and Katie get into it about the video recording of the crash out.

Shannon tells Katie that she violated her and she's now categorically John Jansen level evil.

She's worse than Alexis Bellino, worse than Tamara Judge, and Shannon vows to never speak to her again.

Overall, will Jen's son pay for my student loans?

Will anyone try to dip a french fry in the caviar at Heather's birthday party?

Will Shannon be contractually obligated to break her vow of silence against Katie?

I guess we'll just have to wait to see.

I want to start with Jen and her son's student loan saga.

That's crazy.

It's getting a little scammy, right?

You could not catch me paying for my sibling's student loans.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Hold on.

But like, well, it's, can you Google this?

And can we do a little real-time fact-finding?

I have had a few friends join the military.

And upon such time joining the military, I'm not sure if

their credit gets wiped or their records get wiped or...

But something, there's some truth to that, where like once you join the military as like, you know, a reward to like putting your life on the line and serving your country.

All debt is paid off.

Something like that gets forgiven or

something like that.

It's not guaranteed, but there are options available for debt relief.

Yeah.

Joining the military doesn't automatically wipe out your existing debts or erase your credit history.

However, service members may be eligible for certain protections and programs that can help with managing and reducing debt, especially regarding student loans and interest rates.

Okay, so it seems like

dad knows about this loophole and is therefore trying to pile on his son's debt with the assumption that the government or the armed forces will forgive that debt.

Am I, does that sound, is that my, am I understanding the scam correctly?

Allegedly.

Allegedly, that sounds correct because Ryan did make a point to saying that he wished that the father was more hands-on and that he's a little bit more hands-off.

I mean, Ryan being like, I would never put that on my child.

That's a lot.

Yeah, if Ryan's not doing it.

If Ryan allegedly...

It takes a Ryan to sniff out a.

I was was going to say, that's true.

What is it?

An alleged scammer.

Did anyone notice how Ryan's teeth matched his new white t-shirt?

It wasn't a t-shirt.

Why was he wearing a hoodie, a white hoodie with a blazer jacket?

A suit jacket.

Because men's fashion, like men.

No, he's at a Heather DeBrux black tie.

His white in a gown.

Most men will freeze their fashion in whatever they think was popular when they were like going out to the bars.

Have you seen Adam Sandler on a red carpet?

Are we going to act like we didn't watch last season when he goes to pick out clothing and it was like paint splatter, like graffiti on a button down?

Like bam.

But it's just like you did, like you wore the suit jacket.

So like you just needed to be like comfy, cozy underneath and like wear your hoodie.

That's kind of like the guy from Subway Surfers.

I like, it's business casual.

The casual is the hoodie.

The business is the blazer.

Yeah.

It's the best I got.

Okay.

But I mean, Jen's reaction at that restaurant to Heather, I feel like was warranted.

Yeah.

Tamara said that her lawyer recommended that if Ryan and Jen were going to be there, specifically Ryan, that she shouldn't come.

Then Heather was like, well, I want you all to come.

I just wanted to see how you felt about like, maybe if like Ryan didn't come.

And then that's when Jen was like, no, you either invite Ryan or, you know, you're choosing Tamara.

And Tamara's not a good friend.

So

Tamra Stan.

I love Tamra until the day that I die.

Does that mean I agree with everything she does?

Absolutely not.

Absolutely.

Absolutely not.

But I do love her.

I think she is a great housewife.

She's an iconic housewife.

She's the only housewife who honestly gives me what I need these days.

But like, you know, I think Jen was valid in being like, she had, she told the world my house was raided by the FBI when it never was.

Like that caused issues for my children.

And like,

definitely, you know, warranted.

That's why it's like tamara's like messy in a way that's very intentional like we obviously know she's going to show up to the party with somebody that's going to cause some drama and it's like she's she's a great housewife in the sense of being intentional about it but i think it's funny the entire episode is about her not taking accountability which she does reason everything that she does

in uh comparison i feel like katie i think katie's a little messy, but I think it was a little unintentional as well.

Like I think Tamra would have sent, showed that to Alexis, knowing the legal, the legality of it and everything, where I'm like, I feel like Katie sent that uh voice recording or audio recording or video recording um based off of like showing it to Alexis as friends but I don't think she thought about the fact of like the legal implications the way that Shannon's like accusing her of Katie's that friend that you're just like girl I think she's just trying to find her place I'm like you're trying and I want to support you but you gotta think

You gotta like think about the repercussions of your actions, but I mean that with all the love in my heart.

And I genuinely do think that she didn't think what she did was that big of a deal until it's being explained to her.

And even then she's still trying to reason it.

So yeah.

Yeah, but it's tough when you really smart people act stupid.

And I don't know Katie personally, but she seems like a very intelligent person.

I mean, she was like defending.

She's like, well, no, you came in.

And it was a shared space and I'm on a Zoom call with business partners.

It's like she was definitely trying to defend her party recording and Shannon being like, you go the fuck outside.

Like, you walk out of where it's noisy.

If I take a phone call in a restaurant and it's noisy, I'm not like, Everyone, please quiet down.

I'm on a call.

I step outside.

Like, well, and Shannon did make a good point with the like, it wasn't that important because you did hang up on them to record me.

That is true.

I'm curious, Sierra specifically is and married to.

I mean, everyone, a question for everyone,

but how do you view like

not Natalie?

Sierra specifically, Mary too.

Yeah, not everyone.

Everyone.

Happy

reality TV in general, like, you know,

in every platform, it seems like they kind of have like the types of reality TV, love competition shows, love island, like, and then Bravo universe seems to be this very specific universe where it's like, how scripted is it versus staged, you know, like bad behavior.

You know, it's just like, we've heard rumors about bonuses being paid to like people who are more interesting.

And it's like we've talked, you know, to people like Tom Schwartz, where it's just like, sometimes it'd be like, well, you know, sometimes you lean into it for, for TV.

And I'm just like, where, where do you draw the line between like Tamara, for example?

Like when we meet Tamara in person, you know, she's charming, she's engaging, she, I don't know, she seems cool, right?

And then she does things on camera where you're just like, that, that's

tough, you know, but like, do we, do you, I'm curious, Sira, do you give them a pass because they're performing as housewives, like doing a job

with the assumption that it's not like, it's not real reality TV.

It's bravo reality TV or like you versus

You know, like a love competition show like Love Island, where it's like, they're not in on it with producers.

They're not doing scenes.

They're thrown into a very controlled environment, you know, cut off from the outside world and thrown into a fire and told to react.

And I just like, where do you, and I feel like a lot of Bravo is debating the characters of these people versus like, what is like unforgivable behavior or versus like, what is like just messy drama?

Does that make sense?

Yeah, it's a tough question though, because it's like, I don't know, I've seen some crazy shit and especially earlier seasons of Housewives.

There were no,

there were no boundaries.

I mean, Kim Richards is saying anything

was touchable, alcoholism, family, whatever.

I think it's mainly like where I'm like, my issue with Tamara, for example, is that it's that, you know, it's the same stuff over and over again every season, where it's just like, I wish I could have a season where I just enjoyed you enjoying people.

But I'm like, at the same time, that's not what the show is about.

And that's not who her character is.

So like, I don't know if that is who she is or if that's that's the character she feels like she has to show up for as for the next three months of filming.

So like, that's where it does get hard because then it's like when you see what they're doing on their outside life, some of these reality TV stars, I don't follow or like, I don't see like whatever charities they're a part of, whatever else they're doing to like give back.

I'm seeing you for three months and then unfollowed and, you know, until you pop back up on my screen.

So it's kind of hard to judge.

So the only way that I really judge is how they come back the next season.

And after like, how deplorable whatever their behavior was the previous season, how are you showing up and how are are you righting your wrongs or are you going to commit to it and if you're committing to it everybody loves a good villain they're just not my favorites on the cast generally because sometimes i'm like i feel like for example gertie how gurdy reacted in that situation i understand now because i'm like yeah if i was felt to be crazy or that i'm a liar based off of the truth that i'm telling like that would get frustrating so i don't know how drastic i would go knowing that i only have x amount of time to get this story out to get the truth out and what's actually going to end up in the episode versus what's cut so i'm like she knew that she had to make this grand announcement because that's going to make an episode versus pulling Julia to the side and having a one-on-one.

So who's your favorite on OC?

Oh, that's so hard.

I actually just unfollowed Jen.

So I'm like, I don't.

You unfollowed Jen.

I just wasn't interested.

Yeah, I'm pretty brutal.

I guess Heather DuBro, but that's just because I'm like, but Heather's so on her own planet that it's just like, and I consistently get the same thing.

I get my champers.

I get my caviar bumps.

I get my

luxury.

They're playing a little fast and loose with these Heather-rich parties because I think we all know who's throwing these parties.

And if you're going to just talk about how expensive these parties are, it can't look like there's 12 people in the background.

You know what I'm saying?

It's hard to get an invite to an HD event.

It definitely wasn't giving summer house party full invite.

Like, no, full sense.

I have no doubt that Heather and Terry are wealthy and have a ton of money.

And I'm sure Heather has thrown parties that she's actually paid for by herself.

And I'm sure they've been iconic.

And I think they're just conveying that brand.

You don't think that she paid for that party?

No.

I don't think Bravo.

I don't think any of these people pay for any of these trips or parties, period.

If it's on camera,

it's part of the show.

If it's part of the storyline, it's part of production.

It's just like, come on, this isn't WWE wrestling in the 80s, people.

Come on.

Like, that's too weird.

But, like, you know, like,

at least fill the room.

You know what I'm saying?

Fill the room.

Was Gretchen there?

Because I missed her.

Yes.

She was?

Yeah.

They're talking about where Tamra is and how she has to be.

Oh, that was Slade's penis.

And she broke Slade's penis.

I will say that Gretchen, I have not watched early seasons of OC.

I do not know the Gretchen lore.

But the way she came out full body with it's not the same.

She's taking it for me this season.

No, she's really been enjoyable to watch do you know tamara's response with oh okay evil

10 times better

like that's i think that's what's gonna make tamara work this season is she has like the whole like i'm in therapy i'm healing i'm learning about my traumas and then as soon as that happened bam Biggest threat comes in.

It's literally, it's giving WWE.

It's like, you're bringing in the heavy weight of Gretchen to like finally put Tamra in her place.

And like, how does she handle this?

And I'm locked in.

He suspected his dick would be on blast um i don't think slade gives a shit yeah

his name is slade yeah

emily's husband was super uncomfortable during that conversation totally no look at his face the entire

just met

yeah he's like and i'm thinking about your dick right now okay

bringing bowling shoes to bowling alley is that hot or is that a nick how good are you at bowling does it matter I mean, I feel like carrying your shoes with you like through a parking lot

into the place.

place.

Better than roller skates.

I would say roller skates is better than both.

Like, why do you want your feelings to get hurt?

I am proud about my roller skating ability, and I cannot wait till my daughter's old enough to roller skating.

We already dance together.

She loves to dance.

And I cannot wait till our Saturday morning roller skating outings.

And you can all fuck yourselves because all the other dads will look like losers on the sidelines.

And I will be spinning, doing twirls,

gliding on that hardwood floor that they call a roller skating rink.

And I'll think I'm hot.

That's all that matters.

That's all that matters.

I support it.

All right.

Well, I think that'll do it for this episode.

Thank you to our guests, Jonathan Johnson and Gertie Abreira.

We appreciate them both coming on and appreciate you guys listening.

We'll see you back on Thursday for another jam-packed episode.

We'll see you then.

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