E972 - Matt Rogers, Austin Nichols, The Valley & Next Gen Finales, Uber Cancels Men, and 5yr Anniversary

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Speaker 1 what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick and boy gee whiz once again do we have an amazing episode lined up for you guys later on this show we got the hilarious, talented, iconic Matt Rodgers with us, and you are going to want to stick around for that.

Speaker 1 Get ready to pee your pants, laugh out loud. It's going to be a lot of fun.
He was recently in town hosting the Culture Awards with his co-host, Bowen Yang,

Speaker 1 and he is with us to talk about all things, reality TV, culture, pop culture.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a ton of fun. Also, later this episode, we have Austin Nichols.
You know him probably from One Tree Hill, but also he is in the new reboot of I Know What You Did Last Summer.

Speaker 1 And we have him later this episode to talk about his new movie and so much more. And coming up shortly, we have Taylor Owen and James Neal.

Speaker 1 You probably know them as an adorable couple on TikTok that likes to do impressions of your favorite rally TV characters, like from Summerhouse, The Valley, you know, I think Love Island.

Speaker 1 Either way, they're with us shortly to talk about the dark, dark valley. But to kick things off, apparently yesterday was was mine and Natalie's five-year anniversary from which we started dating.

Speaker 1 I don't know about all the other married couples out there. Leah, do you have, how many anniversaries do you have with Danny that you celebrate?

Speaker 5 Well, we don't remember when we started dating, but we rounded up to the next month. So we celebrate April 1st sometimes, just as like a, hey, if we remember.

Speaker 1 Look, Sierra, what about you? What do you, now that you are engaged, how many anniversaries do you guys have?

Speaker 3 Well, we obviously will have July 1st, the engagement anniversary next year so you celebrate the engagement anniversary i'm just kidding no

Speaker 3 celebrate it yet it just happened so next year on july 1st we'll have to ask her did y'all celebrate your engagement do we celebrate our

Speaker 1 count how did you figure out because i you know well first of all i want to thank my wife because she got me a very thoughtful card and wrote a very meaningful message that quite honestly felt good it honestly though didn't count because i didn't put it on instagram that's not true it counted for me like

Speaker 1 definitely my love language up there. Words of affirmation.
It was very much thanks for being you and everything that you do for us. It was received with a lot of love.
So thank you.

Speaker 1 I do appreciate it. For those of you guys asking, I absolutely did not get Natalie anything.
I did not know it was our anniversary.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that Natalie, like, did you, is this officially the day? Because like every summer, it's always like, it's around this time.

Speaker 3 No, I just decided to pick this day.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yesterday.

Speaker 5 Did you officially ask her to be your girlfriend on a day?

Speaker 1 no

Speaker 3 he was like you need to come like we need to talk like can you come out to la so we can just like talk about this because like i just can't do this anymore and i was like sure yeah so i came out to la for like a weekend and then it was we basically had like a talk and then i guess i left there being like okay i guess i'm moving out here in a little bit you're mine yes we're together

Speaker 1 i definitely don't remember will you be my girlfriend but i guess like yeah i guess we're like no we're like yeah we're gonna do this like official do people do that?

Speaker 3 Still, like, officially ask someone to like be their girlfriend?

Speaker 1 I know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I feel like you're just kind of at each other's house all the time.

Speaker 3 And it's like, well, you're not seeing anybody, and I'm not seeing anybody.

Speaker 1 I guess you're my boyfriend. It was definitely not that.
It was definitely not like in 2025 where it's just like, okay, we're we're like, we're exclusive, but we're not boyfriend and girlfriend.

Speaker 1 It wasn't like, it wasn't like, we're this, but we're not that. It was definitely like, we're all of it.
Also, if we're going to do this, you should probably move here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we're all in.

Speaker 1 We were all in. Or out.
Exactly. But not

Speaker 1 out will you be?

Speaker 6 Would love to experience that one.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, we're still like gonna go to like our swinger parties and like right and orgies and things that we were already doing. Obviously, you guys were having a lot of fun, so much fun.

Speaker 1 But, like,

Speaker 1 you know what I'm saying? Like, for sure,

Speaker 6 yeah, yeah, you're swinging, but you're swinging from each other.

Speaker 3 You both are picking a key out of the bowl.

Speaker 1 Well, no, no, no, now we're at the park swinging with our daughter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah. Hey, that's growth, you guys.
What do you ladies think of men in sweatpants? Uh,

Speaker 1 hot,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you see them? What do you think of men in sweatpants? What do you think of people in sweatpants?

Speaker 3 Honestly, I mean, I love sweatpants.

Speaker 1 So I think on your body or just the aesthetic of looking at someone.

Speaker 3 I am the person that is wearing sweatpants at the airport. I do not have an outfit.
I like going looking like trash and leaving looking like trash.

Speaker 6 I love to see someone looking and feeling cozy. That's when they're the most themselves.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 I'm definitely not an island. I'm by myself.

Speaker 3 No, honestly.

Speaker 1 So so nick never like nick wakes up in the morning obviously sleeps in like underwear and then wakes up and puts on jeans no i no i put on no in the morning i will put on sweatpants in the morning you were wearing these pants this morning no no no no no it's not true sometimes certain pants that i will take off before i get in bed will put back on when i get out of bed sometimes i'll get sweatpants but if i'm wearing sweatpants it is in the morning After that, I'm not a loser.

Speaker 3 Don't call me a loser.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's just all about it.

Speaker 1 i have self-respect you didn't say you that you were a loser or self-respect you said i feel like i have the flu yes when i'm wearing sweatpants in the middle of the day i feel like i have the flu it's giving like i just can't get out of bed i give up if it's giving i give up and i have an achy achy body i think you're ignoring the um intentional rebrand of sweatpants into joggers so people wouldn't feel like losers Because that's all they did.

Speaker 6 They just started calling sweatpants joggers, gave it a cinched ankle, and boom,

Speaker 1 public.

Speaker 1 Well, if you're talking about leggings on the ladies, I am down.

Speaker 6 No, I'm talking about joggers, which are just sweatpants with a better name.

Speaker 1 Leggings are not joggers. What are joggers?

Speaker 1 They're like sweatpants. Elevated.

Speaker 6 They're sweatpants that cost $80.

Speaker 1 With an ankle band. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I posted a but I posted a picture of Nick wearing these on my story the other day and like gave the like story of Nick doesn't wear sweatpants and he just like put these on.

Speaker 3 And I'm like always begging Nick to like just like rot with me like just put on some sweatpants like let's get cozy let's like get cost to cuddle and get cozy and he can't do it he's allergic to it and so I posted it and I had so first of all I had so many DMs of women being like my husband is the exact same way wait no actually like like everyone's like this is a man thing like my husband's the exact same way and then I've never been told so much like respectfully your man is so hot and it was like it's because of the sweatpants.

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't get it. I just can't do it.
Maybe it's just like old me or whatever. When I had my sales job working for home, I had to like put clothes on.

Speaker 1 Like the mentality, the mental disconnect of wearing sweatpants, it's like it's, I'm not working, I'm not contributing to society. I'm a deadbeat dad.

Speaker 1 If I'm wearing sweatpants in the middle of the day, I'm a deadbeat dad.

Speaker 3 Meanwhile, me, I like get river ready. She looks so cute.
She has like her hair done with the bows and a cute outfit and her shoes.

Speaker 3 And then I am in sweatpants and a big t-shirt and greasy hair and a bun. And like that's how we go throughout the day.

Speaker 1 Priorities.

Speaker 6 Really. Get the baby dressed.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 Well, all the other men out there who will. You're not alone.
I'm not alone. That does feel

Speaker 1 good.

Speaker 1 It feels really good to me. Ladies, how do you feel about Uber's big announcement that apparently soon the ladies will be allowed to order Uber drivers that are specifically women?

Speaker 1 Just cancel the men.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like they're going to take like a little bit longer to get to because they haven't left their house yet?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like they'll be like, on my way.

Speaker 1 They're like so much.

Speaker 1 I don't think you are.

Speaker 6 I think the amount of curbs ran into and ignored just went up by 35%.

Speaker 1 Literally.

Speaker 3 Honestly, I feel like I'll be among friends because I won't have to be like, you know, like all of the lights lit up on the dashboard.

Speaker 3 It's like I feel at home when that's like when that's in the case.

Speaker 1 When I first started dating Natalie, she drove my car once. and

Speaker 1 hit a curb slightly, kind of grazed it, like parking. And then she

Speaker 1 came home with like a very like, I'm in trouble. Oh no.
And then like, what am I supposed to do? Kind of like, I guess it's fine. I guess, are you okay? You know, whatever.

Speaker 1 And then, and then I'm pretty sure going forward, there were several other instances where I think maybe things got scratched.

Speaker 1 But because I really like handled it maturely the first time, I think she just decided like, oh, it just. It's fine.
He doesn't care. It's fine.
He doesn't care. Yeah.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 Like one time we were driving home and we were driving up Laurel Canyon and the the windy roads, and I think Natalie was feeling a little race car drivery

Speaker 1 and uh literally it just like hit the side of the road.

Speaker 3 No, the curve was out further than it ever was before.

Speaker 1 That's what she literally said. Oh, the curve moved.
The curve moved. The curve.
She's like, oh my god,

Speaker 1 that side of the road came out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 Nick's like, it's literally always been there. I'm like, no, they moved it out further recently.

Speaker 6 Well, Nick, this is kind of bold of you to say, as you are the only person I know in real life that has ever nicked my car.

Speaker 6 Oh, I've been saving that one.

Speaker 3 Get him, man.

Speaker 3 Get a marriage. Yeah, but being a little bit more.

Speaker 1 It was already scratched.

Speaker 1 I put a note on your car. I was like, you did.

Speaker 6 You said, I'm so sorry. I'll pay for this.

Speaker 7 And I said, actually, that scratch was already there.

Speaker 1 It wasn't you. I wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 I parked and I was like, did I just fucking hit Mary's car? And then I saw a scratch. And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 3 No, I was at Whole Foods. And

Speaker 3 there was like really no parking. Like it was like tight, you know, like, and so I'm trying.
There's like one parking spot. Like one car didn't really park the best to get into there.

Speaker 3 So then I unfortunately had to like park kind of like fucked you know because that car pop anyway so i'm like in my spot and i go in the grocery store i'm grocery shopping whatever and i come out and i'm driving and then i see like oh someone wrote a note like on their receipt and i was like oh my god it's probably like a fan of the podcast like oh my god someone literally like you know i was like oh yeah like he said

Speaker 3 like that's so sweet so i literally like at a red light like got the note because i was like i don't want this to fly away like i want to make sure i read this note because this is like you know someone like so sweet oh and i read it and it was like you parked like a fucking asshole you you stupid bitch.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. So not what I thought it was.

Speaker 3 We'll never read a note on our car ever again.

Speaker 1 Literally, anyway.

Speaker 3 And I should have let that blow away in the wind.

Speaker 1 Will you, will you ladies be utilizing this new feature? Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm going to save 75 cents to every dollar I tip.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 I will also honestly be using it. That's nice.

Speaker 1 Do you like talking in a Ruby driver? I don't. I don't.
No.

Speaker 6 Sometimes if they, if they can hang, sure. But if it's like awkward, no.
I think you catch the vibe early on.

Speaker 1 If it's like a, you want to chat?

Speaker 3 Oh, it's one, if it's ever one of these, you know, where you're like,

Speaker 3 maybe you're checking out at the grocery store, you're like server, and you're like, how's your day?

Speaker 3 And they're like, oh, I'm tired, you know, and you're like, okay, I didn't, you know, I wanted that. I'm good.
Like, I don't, we don't need it.

Speaker 3 And I left work last night and I'm, and I didn't get any sleep. because I had this pounding head.
It's like, okay, and wrap it up because I didn't ask for all that, you know?

Speaker 3 And I feel like that's maybe what we're going to to get a little bit more of because women feel safe with women and we feel like we can chit-chat.

Speaker 1 Will men be allowed to utilize this?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 That's the whole point, man. That's literally the whole point.
Yeah, no. No, but as passengers.
No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Because I bet the women drivers are also like, you know what? I don't want to drive a man.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They smell bad.
They should just kill us all. Let's get rid of them.
Besides you. Yeah, I said it.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, you said it. No, it actually is giving, did any of y'all start watching Dexter Resurrection?

Speaker 7 I know.

Speaker 3 The new Dexter.

Speaker 1 They keep trying to keep it going. And honestly, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 It's pretty good, but it's basically about like, you know, it gets into like Uber drivers.

Speaker 1 Dexter's now an Uber driver.

Speaker 3 Dexter's an Uber driver in New York City.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a lot of crime that happens there. Yeah, a lot of crime.
I wonder why Uber wasn't okay with the Dexter franchise using their name. So like he's going to be a serial killer.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's you, driver.
They said pass.

Speaker 6 They said pass. Well, that's why they were like, fuck, we got to get them women drivers now.

Speaker 1 After Dexter.

Speaker 1 They're like, we're about to do women-only drivers. This is the worst marketing ever.
The legends of late night TV got together.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we have all heard of Stephen Colbert and the late night show itself being canceled. And media, the landscape is constantly changing and evolving.

Speaker 1 And obviously, late night television has been something that's been talked about in terms of what's the future look like.

Speaker 1 It was just very nostalgic, I think, just to see all these legends get together from Stephen Colbert to Andy Cohen.

Speaker 1 Anderson Cooper was there. You had Seth Meyers, Jimmy Fallon, John Oliver.
I think all of those shows are New York-based. Jimmy Kimmel

Speaker 1 didn't look like he could make it, but he's out in the West Coast. But it's just a cool moment

Speaker 1 for all of them to get together.

Speaker 1 Always kind of charming and nostalgic. What was your favorite late night show growing up, guys?

Speaker 6 Letterman and Conan.

Speaker 1 That was my.

Speaker 3 George Lopez. I definitely was like, I knew I was up too late when I heard that song.

Speaker 1 Come on. Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 That's real niche. The George Lopez show?

Speaker 6 Wait, the George Lopez sitcom or his late night show?

Speaker 3 No, the sitcom.

Speaker 1 Sitcom. Oh, okay.

Speaker 6 What's the song? Did you ever watch his late night show?

Speaker 1 We were talking about late night shows, but.

Speaker 3 No, that was my late night show. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, late night show. Bum, bum,

Speaker 1 live.

Speaker 3 Like the tonight show or like not not a sitcom. Like, did you, you didn't watch it?

Speaker 1 Neither did I. That's the point.
Natalie and I did not watch late night television.

Speaker 3 It was late night, and I was watching a show. And it was a show.

Speaker 1 Yes, the office is mine now.

Speaker 3 You can explain it how you want, but that was my late night.

Speaker 1 This is what late night means to me. All right.
Well, it's time to get into some of our favorite reality TV shows, starting with what we like to call now the Dark, Dark Valley.

Speaker 1 And with that, it's time to bring in our guests, Taylor Owen and James Neal. They are up next.

Speaker 1 Well, welcome to the show, guys. It's great to have you.
Obviously, we've laughed laughed at much of your content that you guys have posted on social media.

Speaker 1 I remember seeing you guys break down Summerhouse recently, and I think a lot of people enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 So, we are happy to have you on and figured, well, let's just bring them on because we love talking about some of the stuff that you guys are covering as well.

Speaker 1 I'm just curious, you guys are engaged together? Yeah. So,

Speaker 1 when did you guys like

Speaker 3 engaged together or engaged separately?

Speaker 1 Yeah, separately? You are together. You are officially a love couple.

Speaker 1 It's official. You're lovers first and a comedy act second.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 A lot of people think siblings, but you know. Oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. They like to keep them guessing.
You know what I mean? Yeah, we started making succession videos online and everybody thought because we were playing Ken and Shiv that we were siblings.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But no.
One who will have his money. A page out of Nick from Love Island's book, who, I don't know, did you see his old

Speaker 1 Vine videos where he was... He tried to get his girlfriend on the internet and his girlfriend was his sister and they made out with him.
No, I did not see that.

Speaker 2 Oh Oh, my God.

Speaker 8 He's taking our bit?

Speaker 1 That's right. I guess we're taking his bit, I guess.
It's a good bit to follow. You know, it's how many, we were talking about this earlier.
How many anniversaries do you guys celebrate?

Speaker 1 And then I guess what I'm saying is, James, how many anniversaries are you forced to celebrate? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I guess the only one that we, to be honest, we don't even celebrate it, but it was when we became boyfriend, girlfriend.

Speaker 8 It's gotten dark.

Speaker 1 And then I proposed last year in June.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Did you celebrate?

Speaker 1 Did you celebrate this June? Your engagement? No, we didn't.

Speaker 8 We didn't.

Speaker 7 Oh, God. What was the day though?

Speaker 8 We celebrate May 11th. Yeah, which is what we're doing.

Speaker 1 May 11th.

Speaker 8 We've been together nine years, so we do celebrate that.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 8 Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 Yeah, so I guess just one, but we really don't celebrate that either.

Speaker 1 Sometimes we both forget to be

Speaker 1 truthful here. When did you guys realize that it wasn't just love that brought you together, but you guys could work together? Great question.

Speaker 1 Well, we went to school for it. We both met at Chapman University as screen actors.
We were studying there and we were friends for probably like a year until we really started dating.

Speaker 1 And then we made like some YouTube skits and, you know.

Speaker 8 We always knew we wanted to work together in some capacity because like I was his biggest fan. He was mine, hopefully.

Speaker 8 And I think just then, yeah, when TikTok came around, we've been actors for a long time and we're like, let's just do this together.

Speaker 3 Well, y'all are crushing doing it together.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Yeah, you're talking about it.

Speaker 3 I didn't even watch Succession, but I watched your bit.

Speaker 1 Oh, right.

Speaker 3 Literally, I was like, I have no idea what's going on, but this is hysterical.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 8 That's all you need. That's all you need.

Speaker 1 Well, let's get into the valley. We did have Luke on in his shorts.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 I wore jeans today because of that.

Speaker 2 He kind of slid with his little knees.

Speaker 1 Clearly, I don't think Luke listens to our show, which I totally get on the regular. I am anti-shorts.
Like, if you're an adult man and it's not a heat advisory out, you cannot wear shorts in public.

Speaker 1 If you're not working out.

Speaker 8 Oh, you're just saying, like, you can't go out of your house with shorts on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just don't think

Speaker 3 Nick has really strong opinions on two articles of clothing, sweatpants and shorts.

Speaker 1 Oh, what's your sweatpants take? Yeah. He thinks you're a lasagna.
If I'm wearing sweatpants in the middle of the day, I feel like I have the flu.

Speaker 1 That's cool. I like that.
I like that.

Speaker 8 The shorts one, I give a little, like, what if you're golfing, you know, on golfing in the heat? Are you wearing pants?

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, I, you know, the golf course is a whole nother animal that I got it, got it, got it. I think.

Speaker 1 I can say that pants definitely is a better look. To Luke's credit, he had good legs.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Great legs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Great legs. But I think I'm with you, Nick.

Speaker 6 Also, people are talking about his interview. You know why? Because he wore shorts.
So real.

Speaker 8 Maybe he's just a media mogul genius, Nick.

Speaker 1 Boom. Honestly, he knew what he was doing.
He got the people talking. He also got Jax Taylor talking.
Allegedly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Jax Taylor is our number one listener. Oh.
Oh, great. Have you had

Speaker 1 me blocked?

Speaker 8 Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Nice, nice, nice. But

Speaker 3 we had Luke on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 He was on Tuesday's episode.

Speaker 3 He was on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. You know, he's very honest about his feelings about all the guys and, you know, the rest of his cast.

Speaker 3 And he posts a screenshot of a text he gets from a random number and it says maybe you should not go on a podcast and talk shit you are a loser we never liked you you did last longer than six months grow some balls you can only be friends or talk to people kristen allows you to we all knew you were whipped anyways never trusted you

Speaker 1 and yet he's still on the show

Speaker 3 yeah he posted that and kristen says this is a hundred percent jacks from another number yeah that i mean who else would it be it's fred dredgeson Dredgeson?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was going to say.
It's his alter ego. 100%.
Frank Drama. But it's Richard as someone who's like inside the group.
He couldn't help. It wasn't even that carefully crafted.
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 You are a loser and we never liked you.

Speaker 1 Who's we? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm surprised they didn't say this is my show.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 I know. Listen, Lisa had him pegged way earlier on.
She knew.

Speaker 1 That's just dark. It's giving high school bully.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 He's the toxic high school boyfriend everybody got away from.

Speaker 1 But he just goes through.

Speaker 3 Well, we do have a rapid recap of The Valley, so let's get into it. It is the finale of the most miserable show on TV.
Thank God.

Speaker 3 And Janet wants Kristen to punch her in the face, so she'll go to jail and have her engagement ring taken away. Question mark.
Lovely.

Speaker 3 As always, Jax thinks Danny is two-faced, which is the word he used to describe people who experience guilt and regret. Jesse actually has.

Speaker 1 So ridiculous.

Speaker 3 Jesse actually has an actually kind of nice conversation with Michelle, but most importantly, Zach raises the question, what is more painful?

Speaker 3 Injecting Botox into your scrotum or a friendship with Janet? The answer probably won't surprise you. It's Janet.

Speaker 3 Then at Michelle's Zen party, she must have secretly cursed the crystals because, oh my God, here's what happened. Brittany finally realized Jax was a greasy man-child.
Jesse cried.

Speaker 3 Jax decided he needed to give Danny advice on his drinking issues and proceeded to have a mental breakdown, therefore destroying the Zen.

Speaker 3 Danny then comes in with a banger revelation Jax has slept with his staff. And somehow, Janet still somehow comes out of this evening as the worst person in the group.
This show makes no sense.

Speaker 3 Overall, will Jax Taylor cease to exist without a camera in his face? Will Janet come out of hiding? Who will get divorced next? Find out at the reunion.

Speaker 1 Wow. Great recap.
Wow.

Speaker 3 I mean, honestly, it was a boring episode up until our Zen party at the Michelle Zen party. And, like, I am worried for Zach.
Yeah. Go on.

Speaker 3 What was that?

Speaker 1 Actually, he was the definition of literally screaming, crying, crying, throwing up. He was

Speaker 1 He was screaming, he was crying. I thought he was throwing up.
He was literally gagging. Not to mention, once again, we have a sober Danny and a room full of people who are black out drunk.

Speaker 1 Blacked out drunk. Like everyone in that scene was blacked out drunk except Danny and Nia.
And I don't know, listen, maybe Danny. throws a few back once in a while and gets a little sauced.

Speaker 1 Like he is only human.

Speaker 1 You know what I realized recently about like this show and just like following this kind of like group of people that a lot of them originated from like vanderpump era yeah and then like some people who are like you know still part of this universe that are out there trying to keep their reality tv show going through their whatever the shit they're doing like they all this is a group of people who just like all they know how to do is throw each other under the bus.

Speaker 1 That's like all they know how to do. It's just kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 That That scene where Jax walks up to Danny and then Brock with his bleached blonde hair, it's like you almost realize, like, did Brock know, like, was he like, you know what, I'm going to dye my hair because this is around the time where like shit's going to hit the fan and I don't want anyone to recognize me?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't know.
But like, he looked directly into camera and he's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 You know, the producers were just like, yeah, you're going to want to step away from it.

Speaker 8 100%. He saw Jax come and he's like, yeah, I'm going to leave.
That's my cue. That is my cue.

Speaker 6 I can say for Brock, as someone who has bleached her hair, to maybe think that maybe people won't acknowledge her, it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 My hair is getting roused.

Speaker 1 Right. No, everyone's just like, oh, you're blonde now.

Speaker 6 And I was like,

Speaker 1 you saw that? You saw that? You noticed?

Speaker 1 You noticed that my hair is a completely different color and I look completely different.

Speaker 6 Fuck.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you watch reality TV show just so you can feel like you're in the room with these people. I love Southern Charm because of that because you feel like you're hanging out in Charleston.

Speaker 1 At some point, you know, when you're watching the Valley, you're like, do I really want to be hanging out in the valley hanging out with these people and like most of the time it's no no you know god forbid the the guy takes a swig of tequila and gets crucified for it it's it's and we still haven't let it go like we're we're so many episodes away from that and we're still talking about it if that's what we have to talk about then i think things it also was crazy to hear zach yell you're a whore to janet so

Speaker 1 aggressive whenever you hear janet it's it's like, how is this allowed? I don't know. Yeah.
And Jason being able to hold himself back from that.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's no, Jason was like, Jason was literally holding himself back. He was like, oh my God, just someone keep me away from this.
Yeah, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Please stop me. I'm dangerous.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 His insults were a little wee. His insult was like, Benji, you're a nice guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But that way, I mean, the like, but he's like making faces. He was like, he went full toddler mode.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Janet.
And I don't even think he knew.

Speaker 8 Yeah. I own Watch What Happens Live after.
He was like, yeah, I don't even, I was so drunk.

Speaker 7 I don't even know what I was saying. Yeah, we were.

Speaker 3 I was, yeah, we had a boyfriend trying to take the wine glass out of his hand.

Speaker 1 And he's like, no. Yeah.
Stop it. Yeah, Benji's like, what have I gotten myself into?

Speaker 3 Another night at Yamashiro.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've said this before. I know Sierra's going to disagree with me.

Speaker 1 More evidence that Brittany is equally as horrible as Jax Taylor. Interesting.

Speaker 3 Surprisingly, I mean, I'm not going to say equally as, but I will say as the season has gone on, especially last episode when Kristen got engaged and how she was like, when they were like, well, why do we have to be here if Danny and Nia?

Speaker 1 And I was like, because your friend got engaged.

Speaker 3 Like, it's like very much, I'm seeing the like, how you were compatible with Jax a little bit, like where I'm like, you're making everything, every moment about you. Right.

Speaker 3 And this is like your friend's celebration.

Speaker 1 get over it yeah and they're still not divorced i got no time for people who are adults who say things like

Speaker 1 well they were just never mean to me so i just don't have a problem with them like maybe it's like

Speaker 1 they just fucked over your friend and lied to your other friend and they're calling your other friend like they're literally spreading rumors about them no but for sure they were totally cool with you

Speaker 8 yeah yeah no she's yeah yeah and they're not divorced yet still like she went on and she was like yeah i forgot to like send in paperwork so it's not not till often

Speaker 1 like these this is a group of people all they know how to do is monetize

Speaker 1 each other's trauma.

Speaker 1 Their whole playbook of getting attention and shining a light on them. It's like this whole universe is like, for me to rise, someone in this group has to fall.

Speaker 1 It's the only formula they know how to work with.

Speaker 3 It's also so exhausting because we got this season, the reunion trailer. We saw that.
And you see at the end of it, Andy being like, Brittany, are you still in love with Jax?

Speaker 3 And I swear to fucking God, if we get a yes, it's like we've got to be tired. We're tired.

Speaker 1 We're tired. We're so tired.
We're so tired.

Speaker 1 It's the same old crap over and over.

Speaker 8 What do you think like the next season will look like without Jax and with all this drama?

Speaker 1 Is there a next season?

Speaker 3 So hopefully, like, yeah, I mean, like, to you, to your eyes, hopefully fun and like, there's humor and like nothing, like, I did not laugh once. in this season.

Speaker 3 There was not a moment of like, ah, let's like relax and put on the valley and just like watch some good reality TV. It was like, oh, great.
I like hate my life and I hate every other people.

Speaker 1 I want to have some kind of respect for these people. Like Luke and Kristen, Danny and Nia, I got respect for them.
Like, you know, I'm not looking for perfect people.

Speaker 1 I want people who have flaws in their life or whatever and have to overcome some adversity and work through some shit. And I want to see them like crush life.

Speaker 1 I want them to like have chase a dream and do some cool things. Like.

Speaker 1 This is just a group of people who are just chasing clout and trying to step all over each other over the, like, the most craziest things that don't have any sense of like family values or like they, you know, I mean, I'm watching adult men talk about a fucking boys chat, you know, and it's

Speaker 8 just a bunch of fucking losers, you know.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I honestly, like, Jesse's tears.

Speaker 8 Like, did you buy them?

Speaker 1 No. Okay.

Speaker 1 What did he say? He said, I don't want to to show growth.

Speaker 3 I want to be growing.

Speaker 1 What the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 He learned that from his like his friend therapist,

Speaker 1 life coach. What is what is not showing versus being?

Speaker 1 It's like, well, if you are showing growth, I mean, honestly, that's.

Speaker 3 He's like, I feel like words speak louder than actions.

Speaker 1 Is that right?

Speaker 6 It's like, if I say it, it will be.

Speaker 8 And just

Speaker 1 because, like, showing it, honestly, I don't, I don't want any part of that. Yeah, no.
The date where all the guys went to Jesse's house and were doing whatever the the hell that was.

Speaker 1 That, that was comedy. So I'll say that was the one point in the show that I, I got a good laugh at.
Yeah. When the

Speaker 3 life coach or whatever was like, and this is called a list.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we know you, you literally list things off for sure. 100%.

Speaker 8 Also, they like squeezed so much drama in and like that collage at the end where they're like, here's now just every fight everybody's having. And like, hopefully everyone will latch onto something.

Speaker 8 I was like, this is a lot. I'm having anxiety from everybody's fights, right?

Speaker 1 Not a four-way split screen with everybody yelling at each other and crying. Like, I'm good.

Speaker 1 They all hate each other. Yeah.
Do you think is Jax Taylor going to be part of the reunion? Yeah, he's there. He is.
Yeah, I think he's there. Yeah.
Yeah. I think so.

Speaker 1 I swear to God,

Speaker 1 if they try to get me to, and I'm not going to, to be clear, I have no empathy or sympathy for Jax Taylor or Jesse. But if they try, which I suspect they will,

Speaker 1 I'm going to be so fucking annoyed.

Speaker 3 No, we had Brittany going,

Speaker 3 I wouldn't touch that dirty date with a 10-foot pole. And Jax going, that's not what you said four months ago.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 great impression.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was very good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't think Andy will let him off the hook, right?

Speaker 1 Andy's got to hate those guys.

Speaker 3 I don't feel like he does. I feel like Andy.

Speaker 1 Really? I don't know. They made him a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 That's why he had Jax on Watch What Happens Live, you know? Like, I feel like he.

Speaker 1 That was a tough watch.

Speaker 3 It was a tough watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Should we get into some next gen? It was the finale of next gen as as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Which apparently Chrissy Teigen says this is like the best show on television.

Speaker 1 And she's like,

Speaker 1 oh, I don't really think she's watching much else. So I don't know who she is to compare it to.
I mean, it's fine. I just, you know, I'm willing to give it

Speaker 1 some time.

Speaker 1 I can't say that I was like totally captivated yet.

Speaker 3 I will say that I'm like, the thing that I like about Next Gen that I wish The Valley had more of is that I do like watching people aspire to accomplish things and have jobs.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, The Valley, I'm just sitting there like, y'all are just literally going to each other's houses talking shit about your closest friends.

Speaker 3 I would like more than just Kristen having photo shoots, like I would like to see what you guys do

Speaker 1 to keep a roof over your head outside of this. I don't know.
I just need the best.

Speaker 1 My favorite part of the show is Meredith and Brooks.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 That's its own show. I completely agree.
Well, it's tough, like, with reality shows when they're not actually friends, like, they're all just kind of coming together for the season.

Speaker 1 It's kind of, it's a slow burn at that that point um i love shows where it's you know these people are

Speaker 1 have long history with right like shit could come out from the past yeah there's brooks and his mom a lot of history there and that was an interesting conversation at the at the table we have a rapid recap for next gen and it is clearly written by mary because i would never have any of these thoughts or opinions about this show today

Speaker 3 We're eight episodes in and sadly or happily, it's already the finale. But don't cry because it's over.
Smile because Brooks will finally be able to know peace.

Speaker 3 Georgia went exclusive with her anarchist crypto boyfriend Omar, but Amira said he's a scammer. Okay, she's also decided to name her club Club Club.

Speaker 3 And for those still confused, Georgia is opening a club, and the name of the club is Club Club. Once again, because I know it's a complicated concept, it's a club called Club Club.
Get it? Good.

Speaker 3 Moving on. Brooks debated merging his company with Meredith because he saw a video of a bird flying out of a nest and dying on the pavement once.
Fair enough, Diva.

Speaker 3 Ultimately, he decided to take the risk and focus on his own company and resort collection, which the Vaufaal staff would be happy to test out if Brooks, you're interested.

Speaker 3 Finally, Georgia Soft launches Club Club, and it's literally just a normal bowling alley. Sorry, girl, but she does get investment money from a dude with a man bun.

Speaker 3 And Brooks, inspired by the 7-10 split, got so close to confronting Ava for skipping his birthday for a fake event, but didn't quite get there.

Speaker 3 But then at the end of the episode, there's this rapid-fire info sesh of their entire summer. Georgia and Omar moved in together and then broke up.
Then she posted a whole ass TikTok about it.

Speaker 3 He stranded her in Singapore and moved in with Charlie. What? Overall, please make a full season of this and watch what happens live reunion andy please signed mary wow

Speaker 6 very nice very nice i'm next gen's biggest fan even more it is not a bravo reality tv show

Speaker 6 more it is more um the spiritual successor of lena dunham's girls

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 3 i stand by it i do think the one in la will be so much better than the New York.

Speaker 1 I disagree. Yeah, how come?

Speaker 3 I think Sammy Sheen is great television. I I think she would crush.
I think Cynthia Bailey's daughter is also like, that's just a great dynamic we need. I just think there's so many more.

Speaker 3 We could have like, you know, maybe some of Kyle Richards' daughters. We could have like,

Speaker 3 you know, like there's Heather Dubrow's kids. Like there's so much to pull from there that I feel like it could just be really good.

Speaker 1 And do you think you would do all Bravo babies or do you think they would grab some like

Speaker 1 influencers?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think they definitely have an option to like pull Chet Hanks, but not Chet Hanks, you know?

Speaker 6 Here's my thing on next gen.

Speaker 6 Next gen New York City works because of the New York City idea of old versus new money, right?

Speaker 6 Because then you have like Charlie, old money, but then still kind of like poor and unexperienced in like relationship with the Bravo kids who are new money, but experienced.

Speaker 6 So it's already like interesting. And you have like old New York versus like the Atlanta like people.

Speaker 6 So that's fun.

Speaker 6 And it works on like the great gatsby esque spiritual new york ideal and then but when we we bring it to la and it's kind of just like oh it's everyone is someone's kid that's like la yeah so what's interesting about that here's the only way to make next gen la interesting you get

Speaker 6 you get bravo people you get nepo babies in the entertainment industry and then you also get the poor kids in the entertainment industry.

Speaker 6 So I want like the head of CAA's son to be in it with that guy's actual assistant, right? Like, and those are the fights I want to see.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh, because

Speaker 6 that's where you're going to get, and then throw Sammy Sheen in there and see what she does. Like, that's where you're going to get incredible television.

Speaker 8 Well, I really, I've never thought of Next Gen, like, any of this. You've really enlightened me here.

Speaker 1 Next gen is all about class struggles.

Speaker 8 Yeah, no, and that's it's basically like the gilded age of reality TV.

Speaker 6 Yes, yeah, wow, that's that's now I'm in.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm now liking

Speaker 1 you.

Speaker 1 What is your favorite reality TV shows that you guys are generally watching these days? And not nicely in this moment, but just

Speaker 1 in general. That's crazy.
In general.

Speaker 8 We love Summerhouse.

Speaker 1 Big Summer House. I love Summer House.
Summer House House. James loves Southern Charms.
Southern Charm, she got me into it at the beginning of this year.

Speaker 1 Just because of the boys, you feel represented, James? James is so represented. I feel represented by Sheprose.
No.

Speaker 8 I really knew that Thomas Ravenel, I was like, James, like, there's this guy on it. He stands up.
He insults everybody at a dinner party. Just trust me.
And he watched the first episode.

Speaker 8 He was like, oh, this is good TV.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 And speaking of like the storyline there of like Craig starting from like the bottom, kind of on the outs of this society and then making his, you know, way to

Speaker 1 being kind of above those guys. And, you know.
Are you a Craig stan? Do you think he bought the ring? No, I'm not. I'm not a Craig stand.
I don't know too much about the ring gate, but

Speaker 8 no i'm not i'm not too much of a stand do you think he bought the ring no okay all right hot take what about when he showed that picture on another podcast he's like this is the ring do you think it was like fake i do wonder why he didn't show andy that ring on like that photo and watch it up in the rain because he didn't have it

Speaker 3 you're like i was like it's a picture of an engagement ring a picture of an engagement ring right you can change it's on my nightstand look yeah truly you could probably loan one didn't he say he bought it in March?

Speaker 3 And then, like, the photo was also taken in March. So everyone was like, wait, I thought it was like had to be like custom made.

Speaker 3 So, like, how did you buy it in March, but then also have it at home in Charleston on your nightstand also in the month of March?

Speaker 8 Craig's timelines never really

Speaker 1 truly. So, yeah, no.
He did say he was a liar on the show.

Speaker 1 At some point, he said, He's not a liar.

Speaker 1 He's a storyteller.

Speaker 1 He just really gave, like, we've all been like broken up with, and we're like, well, I was going to like take us on a trip and it was going to be amazing, you know, because like one time you'd be like, I should do something nice for my, my, my girlfriend.

Speaker 1 I know I never really do. And then they break up with you and then you bring up the thing that you always thought about doing that you never did.
Like that's totally.

Speaker 8 So true. I was just going to become a great person and you broke up with me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's how you dare you ruin my practice.
How dare you ruined your life? I was going to change everything.

Speaker 1 Well, it was great to have you guys on.

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Speaker 1 Just us two going up doing live sketches. We have some digital sketches as well, some live music components.

Speaker 1 It's a fun time. It's like an hour, hour and 15 show.
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Speaker 1 Well, make sure you guys go check out their link tree, see their show. Thank you guys for coming on.
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Up next, we have Austin Nichols. You know him from One Tree Hill, and he's also on the new reboot of I Know What You Did Last Summer.
He is coming up next.

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Speaker 1 Austin.

Speaker 4 What's up, guys? How's it going?

Speaker 1 It's great to have you, Austin.

Speaker 1 Really excited to be with you. We're huge fans.
I myself just want to say absolutely loved you one day after tomorrow. I don't know why.
I've always been obsessed with that movie.

Speaker 1 Like, I remember seeing it in the theaters back in the day.

Speaker 1 There was something about like cold apocalyptic that I'd always, like, I'd always like visualize, like, what would it be like to have to trek through like just ice-cold weather? I don't know.

Speaker 1 It was, it was really near and dear to my heart. So just, just know that you impacted my life greatly in that movie.

Speaker 4 I'm glad you liked it. That was a lot of fun.
It was my first, you know, like big budget, huge movie. And I remember getting there and walking onto these sets and just my mind was blown.

Speaker 4 They built like, you know, half a block of New York inside a sound stage and then flooded it with cars, you know, flooded it with water. And there was cars and buses and cabs.

Speaker 4 And it was just, you know, larger than life. So it was a really cool experience.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Obviously, we, we, many of the people listening know you from Runtree Hill.
I grew up watching, I know what you did Last Summer, the movie, the series.

Speaker 1 Where do you want to start first? Should we talk some, I know what you did last summer or do you, you know, do you want to scratch the itch of all the One Tree Hill fans that are, you know, intently?

Speaker 4 Let's start. Let's start with I Know You Did Last Summer because it's, you know, it's, you know, happening now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, first of all, just congratulations.

Speaker 1 A very exciting movie to be a part of. I've highly anticipated.

Speaker 1 We're very much obviously in the era of like, let's reboot some of our favorite shows and movies that we loved watching, and this being a great one.

Speaker 1 So, like, just, I mean, what did it mean to you to just be asked to be a part of it? Did were you a fan of the movies back in the day? And what did you want to bring

Speaker 1 to this experience that you maybe took from being a fan in the past?

Speaker 4 Well, you know, obviously, I remember being 17 when the first movie came out, and I remember going to the theaters and seeing it in theaters. It was,

Speaker 4 you know, Sarah, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and Freddie and

Speaker 4 Ryan were, they were like the young new kids that were crushing it and blowing up and their careers were happening.

Speaker 4 And I was, while I might be around the same age as them, I was a little behind them because I didn't get to LA until a year later and I didn't even start, but they were the sort of people I was watching a lot and going, okay, like this is, you know, maybe something I could do.

Speaker 4 And I was really just starting to, you know, dip my toe in acting. And I moved to LA the next year.

Speaker 4 And when I became started paying more attention to writers and directors and learning that Kevin Williamson wrote Scream and he wrote this and he wrote the faculty, I got really interested in this sort of man who

Speaker 4 kind of single-handedly brought horror and the slasher, the teen slasher flick into the 90s. or the late 90s or whatever you want to call it.
And he did it in this really great way.

Speaker 4 And, you know, and then time goes by, you know, I don't know, 20 years goes by. And I get a call and somebody says at original films, they're really interested in you for this role.

Speaker 4 Or I know you did last summer. And I just go, what?

Speaker 4 You got to be kidding me.

Speaker 3 Hey, so this is actually Austin. Nick, did you mean to call me or?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And like, you know, I think being an actor is really weird because We spend a lot of time, everybody's experience is different, but I spend a lot of time auditioning and trying to chase down roles and

Speaker 4 show what I can do. And every once in a while, though, the phone rings and somebody wants you.
And it's weird because sometimes I feel guilty.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you immediately like, well, like, I mean, is this going to be even any good? Like, why

Speaker 1 should I have to audition? Or like, they just want to give it to me? Like, did everyone else say no?

Speaker 4 It's such a weird feeling. And then the message was, you know, the Jennifer, the Jennifer, the director, wants to talk with you on Zoom.
I was like, great. Okay.
I talk with her on Zoom.

Speaker 4 She's brilliant and bright and

Speaker 4 really cool.

Speaker 4 And, but I'm calling my people going, is this happening? Like, what?

Speaker 4 And finally, you know, they started doing the deal in a closed.

Speaker 4 I was like, okay, I'm getting on a plane to Australia and I'm going to be a part of this movie that was really big in my formative years when I first started acting. And it was.

Speaker 4 I told my friends and family, I was like, I'm pinging myself.

Speaker 4 This is such a cool thing to be a part of. And I went down there, got to go to Australia, which was a lifelong dream.
Never been there, always wanted to go, and got to work in Australia.

Speaker 4 And fast forward to last week, we're all in LA at the premiere. Everybody's on the red carpet looking beautiful and, you know, doing interviews and hugging and saying hi.

Speaker 4 And we go into the theater and people are screaming at the screen and laughing. And I mean, it was a really fun night.

Speaker 4 And yeah, I'm still kind of waking waking up from it and can't believe I'm a part of it. It was, it was a blast all the way around.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. What was the vibe when you got to set and first started shooting the movie with everyone?

Speaker 1 Were a lot of people just kind of nostalgically talking about, you know, how old they were when they first watched the movie or what it meant to them and things like that?

Speaker 4 Absolutely. I think, you know, the new cast, the young guys and gals, they were in a different place because they're the leads of the movie now.
And

Speaker 4 they were also, I think some of them hadn't, maybe possibly hadn't even seen the original movie and then they went and watched it i think i think i heard some story like that but i got there later they had already started shooting and it's always weird when you come in later and you're not there for like the first week because you're kind of like where do i

Speaker 1 it's like being a bombshell on love island you're like i don't know you guys are

Speaker 1 you guys are already photos about me yeah you're like okay you guys are all going out to dinner okay oh well should i

Speaker 4 go out to dinner i'll stay in the hotel i don't know so you're kind of like figuring out your place.

Speaker 4 And, but then also, I'm in Sydney and I'm going to the beach, and it's summertime in November, and I'm like having the time of my life. So it was kind of, you know, odd at first.

Speaker 4 And then I met everybody, and everybody was really nice and lovely. And then I remember Freddie Prince Jr.

Speaker 4 and Sarah Michelle Geller, who are the loveliest couple on earth, they had this dinner for everyone. And we all had this great night, this big, fun Italian place.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 it was like, it felt like when I first started making movies, like the day after tomorrow, and you fly to a place far away, you're staying in a hotel. It's like summer camp.

Speaker 4 You're meeting all these new fun people. And then you go make this thing.
It's, it, it, it, I almost felt like I'd started over and it was the beginning again. It was, it was a, a new lease on life.

Speaker 4 It was very cool.

Speaker 3 What is it like working with this young, the, the younger new generation of actors, you know, Madden Klein and Tyreek Withers and Gabriette. What was all that like?

Speaker 4 You know, the, the really fun thing for me is perspective and kind of looking at them, you know, the world is their oyster. They're young and they're new and they're crushing it.

Speaker 4 And also kind of being able to sit back and go,

Speaker 4 I'm really happy where I am. And, you know, for a long time, you always want to be like, I want to be the lead.
I want to, you know, I want to give me the ball. I want to be the point guard.

Speaker 4 I want to go. I want to crush this.

Speaker 4 And I feel like I've gotten to a place where I went, oh, it's really nice to be Pastor Judah and not work every day and watch these kids go crush it and make this movie.

Speaker 4 And at the same time, they're lovely people. Like, I feel like, and look, I don't, nothing crazy happened to me when I was a young actor.
It was all great, but people are nicer now on set.

Speaker 4 And people take care of each other more now on set. And I remember.

Speaker 4 when I first started out, like

Speaker 4 movie sets were a little more militant. Like it was a little more like,

Speaker 4 be here on time or you're fired or hit your mark or we're going to yell at you or like it was much much more militant and sets now are much kinder i appreciate that and love that a lot so you know lots of things lots of feelings but ultimately really fun to see these actors

Speaker 4 not necessarily at the beginning of it but really starting to feel their careers in themselves and and to see them kind of take off with this. And I can't wait to see where they go.

Speaker 4 They're a bunch of really nice people.

Speaker 1 I'm curious, Austin, you're about my age coming up in Hollywood. Did you also like compete for crushes when it came to Jennifer Love Hewitt or Sarah Michelle Geller?

Speaker 1 Because they were definitely like the queens of my universe.

Speaker 4 Oh my God. Okay.
So Can Hardly Wait

Speaker 4 came out when I was a senior in high school. Yes.
And I saw the trailer and I was like, oh my God, it's the graduation night party. They're all, I called all my friends.

Speaker 4 I bought 20 tickets to the movie, and I told all my friends, we're going to see this movie. Trust me.
We're like graduating this year.

Speaker 4 I'm like, I'm going to start crying. You know, like, I'm going to miss you guys so much.
We got to go see this movie. And we all went.
And it was the best thing ever. We all watched this movie.

Speaker 4 But I was so in love with Jennifer Love Hewitt. And,

Speaker 4 you know, she was in that movie in particular. She was this untouchable high school queen, right?

Speaker 4 And yeah, just to

Speaker 4 even touch a project like I know what you did last summer with Jennifer and meet her and talk to her a little bit.

Speaker 4 It's surreal.

Speaker 4 It's surreal. Cause like you said,

Speaker 4 it's that person from your younger years that

Speaker 4 how could you not have a crush?

Speaker 1 Right. I mean, like, I think every guy around that age was obsessed with those two.
I love that movie. I can't hardly wait.
Where he's like, he wears shirts sometimes.

Speaker 4 Great. Great movie.

Speaker 3 I see a lot of your favorite movies are from like 19, 19, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s.

Speaker 3 Do you, was there anything that you maybe liked in 2000s?

Speaker 4 I know. Why am I so into old stuff? It's weird.

Speaker 1 It's like my favorite movie is from 1953.

Speaker 3 I'm like, oh, relatable.

Speaker 4 Totally. I know.
I literally tell people now and they glaze over.

Speaker 1 They're like, huh?

Speaker 4 Or I'll even think I tell someone a fresh title and they go that's from the 80s

Speaker 4 really i'm like it's not that old it's not that old

Speaker 4 i just rewatched it okay recent 2000s movie

Speaker 4 was city of god made in the 2000s i think so city of god brazilian movie one of the greatest films ever made where you consider yourself a cinephile No, but I did not say that, but somebody said that about me and it's followed me around.

Speaker 4 And I hate it because

Speaker 4 I didn't ever said it, but I i love movies

Speaker 4 i i love movies and i did have these journals and i was like i love going and get you know collecting lobby cards and pasting them into my journal and writing notes and stuff so i loved and i still do love

Speaker 4 cinema but i wouldn't call myself like some sort of encyclopedic guy about it at all Getting into One Tree Hill of it all, you've also directed some of like The Walking Dead.

Speaker 3 You're an actor, you're a director. How do you kind of like play both roles? And how did you get into directing?

Speaker 4 So the first time I directed was on One Tree Hill. Right.
And I did act and direct at the same time, which was for the first time directing, it was, it was kind of hard.

Speaker 4 Don't really want to do that very much.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, because directing is so all consuming.

Speaker 4 I really want to be focused on directing.

Speaker 4 Having said that, you know, it was kind of fun to do both.

Speaker 4 It's fun, but I don't want to lose sight of my day and what I have to accomplish because suddenly I go, Oh, crap, while you guys set up the lights, I'm gonna go get into wardrobe and hair and makeup and learn my lines real quick.

Speaker 4 And then, like, I'm just doing too many things, and I don't know if I'm gonna be the greatest actor that I can be because I've been so focused on directing. So

Speaker 4 it's not ideal, but

Speaker 4 kind of awesome.

Speaker 3 Kind of awesome. So, like, the behind the scenes of that are, is you like on camera doing your scene, and then is it like a you also yell cut and then like go and watch playback?

Speaker 1 Or?

Speaker 4 Yes, absolutely. And,

Speaker 4 you know, the first time I did it, I remember not really having time to watch playback very much because it was kind of like TV's fast and you got to go.

Speaker 4 And so I remember leaning on my DP and my first AD and saying, look, do we have it? We, you know, we did two takes. We did three takes.
Do we have it?

Speaker 4 And I trusted them and they'd say, yeah, it was great. So there were very few times where I'd go watch playback just because time and money.

Speaker 4 But I made my first movie last summer. I've just finished it.
It's called The Salamander King. And there was a moment where we maybe didn't have a lead actor.

Speaker 4 We got Ryan Hanson, who's fantastic in the movie, but there was maybe a week where we didn't have him.

Speaker 4 And my producer looked at me and she goes, will you do it? And I was like,

Speaker 4 if I have to.

Speaker 1 There's no.

Speaker 1 I don't want to, but, you know,

Speaker 4 we have the money. We're scheduled to make this movie.
We're slotted. We've got the, we've hired the crew.
We have all these other actors. And you're suddenly confronted with,

Speaker 4 can you do both?

Speaker 4 And I looked at her straight in the eye and I said, I can do it. But thank God I didn't have to.

Speaker 3 Well, playing Julian Baker, obviously, that's like such a beloved character on One Tree Hill. What was it like stepping into an already established show with an already established cast?

Speaker 4 Terrifying.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 4 Yeah, like five, what I did, I did six, so I came in in season six. So they have basically five and a half seasons under their belt, you know, like people have known each other for years.

Speaker 4 There's politics, there's, there's friendships, there's all this stuff. And you just, you get to a thing like that, and it's always kind of scary because you're just like, you don't know anything.

Speaker 4 And I always said, just focus on your work, go to set, focus on your work, and be good at your job. That's all that matters.

Speaker 4 But I so quickly fell in love with North Carolina and, you know, spent four years of my life there. And it became such a happy place for me.

Speaker 4 I mean, I, I still dream about having a place there and retiring there. I, I love the beaches there.
I love the water.

Speaker 1 I love the people.

Speaker 4 And it's, it's fantastic. I mean, it this, and we'll get into this whenever you want, but if we go and make more of the show, I'm

Speaker 4 just tickled pink to go back.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So yeah, speaking of One Tree Hill reboot, can the fans look forward to possibly maybe type of phone? Like, what are the phone calls like?

Speaker 3 What does your email say? Do you want to read it to us?

Speaker 1 My email? Yeah.

Speaker 3 The email is about the reboot of One Tree Hill.

Speaker 1 Can you send me an email? No.

Speaker 4 Okay. So,

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm not really, I'm not spearheading in this at all. You know, Sophia and Hillary and Daniel.

Speaker 4 And I think

Speaker 4 a lot of the gals, the original, you know, core cast, really have been digging into this for a long time, and they, I think they did it in a really smart way. And,

Speaker 4 um, Becky Hartman Edwards is the showrunner and the woman who's writing it. And I met her, and she's fantastic, and we had like a coffee and talk.

Speaker 4 I can't speak for everyone, but I think you know, a huge portion of the cast wants to do it, and it feels real.

Speaker 4 There's no green light, but I think they're working on scripts and taking notes and tweaking things. And I, it feels, feels like it could happen.

Speaker 4 I wish I had, like, you know right I wish I could say but I'm not the guy to say and um but I will say that you know it feels very positive

Speaker 1 I always like to ask what does your gut tell you Austin in terms of like will the fans be when you say gut I immediately say it's gonna happen okay

Speaker 4 we love it who would you be most excited to work with again oh my gosh you know obviously you know my my my scene partner day in day out was Sophia and she was fantastic to work with so that's going to be a lot of fun We got our hair done at the same salon beside each other the other day.

Speaker 4 Oh, nice.

Speaker 4 Nice. She's fantastic.

Speaker 4 But I will say, I think it would be really fun to work with Hillary again because Hillary left the show and I worked with her in the very beginning and then she left. And I, we remained friends.

Speaker 4 And then her husband killed me in The Walking Dead. And, you know, we had all this fun crossover and hang time.

Speaker 4 So I think it would be really fun to work with her again because we didn't get to do that much together.

Speaker 3 Oh, that, yeah, that'd be really awesome. That's such a great, it was such a great cast.
It was such a great show. Did you end up like watching? I mean, do you watch your work back?

Speaker 3 Are you, are you that type of actor? Are you the kind of the one that's like, I can't, I don't want to see it?

Speaker 4 In the early days, I had to watch because I was bad and I was trying to learn how to be better.

Speaker 4 So, no, really, I would like watch stuff and I'd be like, oh, that was really stupid. Don't ever do that again.
I found it to be a tool to get better. And then, and then it changed over the years.

Speaker 4 And I always thought actors who said they don't watch their movies were full of shit. I was like, you're lying.
You're lying. Johnny Depp, you're lying.

Speaker 4 But now that so many years have gone by, I understand it. And

Speaker 4 there's been a few things I've not watched. I still do watch, I'd say most of the time.
Okay. But there have been some things that

Speaker 4 I didn't even bother watching. But there is a freedom.
There's a freedom in not watching yourself because

Speaker 4 watching yourself can make you edit yourself. And it can make you actors often want to be cool, which is death.

Speaker 4 Trying to be cool and look good is the worst thing you can do as an actor. So if you can look bad, if you can be vulnerable, if you can make a fool of yourself, that's where the good stuff is.

Speaker 3 Well, Julian and Baker and Brooks' kids. Davis and Jude would be like 14 if we were to do a reboot, right?

Speaker 4 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 yeah like who do you feel like should play them

Speaker 1 they're your kids you know so i don't know

Speaker 4 i mean i gotta i don't know if i know that very many that many 14 year old actors yeah

Speaker 1 but they're gonna be great they better be great they better be great

Speaker 1 have you ever had a dream about being one of your characters you played like in the universe and that you played it i don't think so okay That's a great question, though.

Speaker 4 It feels like I should have, but that nothing jumps to mind. No.

Speaker 4 Nothing from like i feel like being in like the walking dead world would just like consume all of your you know what now that you mentioned like something like that that's like a post-apocalyptic

Speaker 4 maybe something like that has yeah but i i would need to think about it and come back to you with a great story because nothing nothing jumps out before we let you go austin tell us a little bit more about uh the salamander king and the movie you just talked about you were directing that's uh coming out soon We are making a deal or we're about to make a deal with a distributor.

Speaker 4 So it's, it's a little early, but let me tell you about it. It's called The Salamander King.
It's about a rundown public golf course in Austin, Texas.

Speaker 4 It's an underdog sports comedy, and it's about all the funny people that work at this public golf course. And they find out that it's under threat from big special interests, like big tech.

Speaker 4 They want to bulldoze the course and build a big tech campus. So it's all about their fight to save the course.

Speaker 4 And it's full of love and humor. And I think people love the characters.
And I'm so, so proud of it. It's my, you know, I've directed some TV, but it's my first movie.
And, you know, we did it.

Speaker 4 We bootstrapped the thing and raised the money ourselves and did it small. And, you know, friends came and worked for nothing.
And we cannot wait to get it out to you.

Speaker 4 We think it's going to be out in the beginning of 2026. But, you know, I'll let people know as soon as I know on my

Speaker 1 way you describe it, it's kind of giving like almost like a caddyshack kind of vibe feel to it. You know? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean we have a bunch of kind of comps but we really when we talk we talk about caddyshack and we talk about a more grounded version of dodgeball like a really in an indie grounded real dodgeball save you know save the rec center save the gym save the golf course uh that sounds great man how long did how long were you filming for we shot it in 19 days oh

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 I got to be honest, like usually 19-day shoots stuff in that range is really, really hard. And

Speaker 4 we had two cameras, cameras, we had a crack team, and we finished early on on many days and we got everything we needed. And for an indie, it went really smoothly and really well.
And

Speaker 4 I couldn't be happier.

Speaker 1 We definitely look forward to that. And when it actually comes out and we have a release date, please come back down and let's talk more about it.
That would be great. Love to.
Love to.

Speaker 3 Just to piggyback off that. So my dad was a golf pro like my whole life.
He like moved my family around like, you know, golfing and chasing chasing this golf dream.

Speaker 3 And then once he like retired from golf, he started like taking over golf courses and like making them better, like getting these like rundown golf courses.

Speaker 3 And he would just like fix up the greens and he would do all this stuff. So this is like, love it.
This feels like such a blast of like myself.

Speaker 4 I'm dying for him to see it. And let me tell you one more thing.
Willie Nelson has this golf course outside of Austin called Willie's Cut and Putt.

Speaker 4 And we couldn't have made this movie without this course. It's

Speaker 4 the fairways are dirt, but the tea boxes and the greens are beautiful. So you, you have a great tea shot and then you get an astro turf mat and you hit off the fairway to this beautiful green.

Speaker 4 So they save a bunch of money. But like people are out on golf courts smoking weed.
And like, it is the craziest, coolest place.

Speaker 1 Not your typical country club.

Speaker 4 And people don't know about it. And it just was the perfect place for our movie.
So your dad's going to love this.

Speaker 1 I'm so excited to tell him about it. Austin, thanks so much for your time, man.
It's been so much fun.

Speaker 1 Congratulations again. And I know what you did last summer.

Speaker 1 Excited to see Salamander King and just great chatting with you, buddy. And also hopefully One Tree Hill sooner than later, you know.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, I'll let you guys know as soon as I know something more. And thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Talk to you later.

Speaker 4 Bye-bye.

Speaker 3 Honestly, such a like nostalgic feeling seeing Julian Baker. like in front of me.
Like that was a very,

Speaker 3 it was warm and fuzzy feeling. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 I like, you know, day after tomorrow. Tomorrow, for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, up next, the moment many of you have been waiting for, Matt Rogers is with us. And, well, if you know who Matt Rogers is, he needs no introduction.

Speaker 1 And if you don't, get ready to laugh your pants off. He was so much fun to have on talking about the culture awards and just him and Bowen's friendship, career, everything they're doing together.

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Speaker 1 I love a clap.

Speaker 3 Love a clap. Sometimes when we are like syncing with other people on Zoom, we're like, Can you clap for this one, two, three? And they're like, Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're like, Okay. A lot of the Love Island cast did that.
You know what? It's great to have, they live for the applause. They do.
The gay community is reeling right now. Did you want to know why?

Speaker 1 Because Lady Gaga did applause at the Mayhem Ball, and she hasn't done applause or really anything from art. She also did a song called Aura.
This is big gay news, babe.

Speaker 1 Wow. Like, we've been saying, Gaga, we need art pop.

Speaker 1 And she's given us art pop. She heard.
What a day. What a day.

Speaker 1 So exciting. Matt, welcome to the show, man.
I'm so happy to be here. So happy to be here.
I'm a fan. The way you guys, your conversation with Joel Kim.

Speaker 1 One for the books. I fold it.
I fold it. Let's go.

Speaker 1 See, listen.

Speaker 1 You know what, though? Like, I think in that situation, we all needed a little bit of folding. Yes, you did.

Speaker 1 I got a message from Shannon after. You did.
And it was like, I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you. Like, being on the inside.
Well, I know you all know, but like, sometimes it's like when you know so much more than everyone else knows, you just kind of sit there and smile.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're like, love you all.

Speaker 1 But getting a call from him while he was, not to bring it all up again, but like getting a call from him when it was happening, I'm going to be like, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 I don't have context and I don't think I ever can get context because it's a bunch of unreliable narrators here. But like, God bless everyone.
Yeah. And the show was great.

Speaker 1 I don't think they got really over it, those two. I don't think that they will.
No.

Speaker 1 I don't see a friendship in their future.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't see forgiveness. No.

Speaker 1 And no one really knows what happened. I mean, oh, for sure.
I mean, I know, I I know, like, Joel's version. I haven't been texting with Shannon Bador about it.
You know what I mean? Right, right.

Speaker 1 Shannon really didn't tell us her version either.

Speaker 3 I mean, her version is like, I don't know where this is coming from.

Speaker 8 Like, I, you know,

Speaker 1 sure. Well, of course.

Speaker 1 All I'll say is, Joel's one of my best friends for years, and Shannon has only ever been so sweet to me. So I root for everybody.

Speaker 1 That's how I feel. That's how we feel.
How I feel about everyone in Hollywood. Rooting for them all.
Rooting for them all. Rooting for them all.

Speaker 1 Well, congratulations on everything that you have going on. Last night was a big night for you guys.
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 It's crazy to be like sitting on it now, like, because it's like now we have it in the can,

Speaker 1 and I know like how good it is. And so I'm just like so excited for everyone to see it.
We really

Speaker 1 fooled them into letting us do it. That's the only way I can describe it.
How did you guys the LCAAs?

Speaker 1 The LCCA, Lost Culture, Resource Culture Awards. LCCA.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I had to walk in the middle of the day. With my marble market, I have a hard time saying Las Culturistas.

Speaker 1 And can I tell you something? So does my dad. He calls it, he literally says Los Costa Ricas.

Speaker 1 I feel like me and your dad are.

Speaker 3 I love the Costa Rica Awards.

Speaker 1 Those are really nice. The Costa Rica Awards were amazing.

Speaker 1 I could say it five times in five different ways. Yep.
You know, the only thing that drives me nuts is when people say Las Culturistas. Like put like an ethnic flare on it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I promise you, it's like fascinistas or maxinistas.

Speaker 1 It is not anything.

Speaker 1 It's cultural appreciation. I'm like, no, it's stupid.

Speaker 1 Like, understand.

Speaker 1 That was me when I was 21 and I went to Mexico for the first time, not speaking any Spanish. Yeah.
I would say anything in a really bad accent.

Speaker 1 The servers would look at me and be like, why are you talking about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, why are you speaking slower and rolling your R's

Speaker 1 as if that's Spanish?

Speaker 1 Well, remember in high school Spanish, they would tell you, they'd be like, no, do roll the R's, like, do it, attempt to say it like it's said, like, you know, but then you do feel crazy having a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, mi pero. It's like, shut up.
Just say dog and move on.

Speaker 3 Like, the best is the response in English, though. Like, when people are trying to speak Spanish and then they're like, do you want a Pepsi or not?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, it's giving, what housewife does that all the time? Doreen. Doreen.

Speaker 1 Doreen. Doreen.

Speaker 1 Doreen. Doreen's international.
She's a woman.

Speaker 1 You never know what's coming out. Like, it could be anything that flies out of that.
Anything but Connecticut. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, one of my favorite number one, like, actually, this is a good memory. Like, me, Joel Kimbooster, and Bo and Yang were shooting the movie Fire Island.
And we were on Fire Island for, like,

Speaker 1 probably, like, two weeks to shoot all the exteriors. And, like.
Everything else was a set, like, in that movie, but the outside stuff was really in the pines.

Speaker 1 And we had, like, a no budget for that movie. And we're having a really bad day.

Speaker 1 Like, we had to, like, we were gonna shoot this scene on the dock and like the tides for the one time that summer decided to completely overwhelm the dock like everyone that was in the pines all the gay guys were mad at us because we were like shooting and they're like we're trying to have our vacation like what the hell we're like well we promise you'll be proud of us later the movie is good but they were so mad and i remember like we woke up in the morning one day and we had all had like a fight the night before like the cast got into it because this is a bunch of gay guys together for like six weeks doing this like fraught movie about the fire Island experience.

Speaker 1 And me, Bowen, and Joel got together in the morning. We were like, Listen, we are family.
We're going to make it through. And we watched an episode of Real Housewives at Beverly House.

Speaker 1 And it was the episode where Doreet said, I don't understand it in four different languages.

Speaker 1 She goes, Garcel, I speak four different languages and I don't understand what you're saying in any one of them.

Speaker 1 And then they cut to her confession, and she was literally like, she said it four different languages. And I think we laughed for 66 minutes.
It was like

Speaker 1 hardcore comedy. Oh my gosh, and that's we love Doreet.
We love Doreen, but it was, yeah, so Doreet can, she can.

Speaker 3 She brought, she honestly brought the three of you, she brought us back together.

Speaker 1 She brought us back together.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and now Hollywood history.

Speaker 1 But how, seriously, how did the L C A's really come together? L C A's. L C

Speaker 1 L C A. I'll change it to what you say, Nick.
L C A's. It says L C A's.
L C C A's. That's the typo on my.
body. Las Culture is Culture Awards.

Speaker 1 You've set me up. I'm so sorry.
You're right. Well, yeah, if I look at the actual words, L C C A's.
No, no, no. L C C A's.
I apologize.

Speaker 1 It was L C C A's. Now it's hashtag the culture awards 2025 because Bravo's like, we really have to make it clear for people what it is.
And I'm like, okay, we'll meet in the middle.

Speaker 1 So maybe it's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 Culture awards. It came about as a joke a bit.
Like it was like everything Bowen and I do, like kind of everything I do, it was like, oh, that's a funny, stupid stupid joke.

Speaker 1 And then it becomes a thing just because the way that Bowen and I kind of operate is it's like, we try to make each other laugh. And if we do, it's probably a thing, even for us.

Speaker 1 So then we just kind of went on and on. I think we literally had nothing to say about pop culture one week.
Like it was like a dry week. And I was like, you know what would be stupid?

Speaker 1 if we just like announced categories that we made up and said nominees and like never did it and but like said we were going to do an awards but then like so we we literally did an episode which was like these are the nominees for the lost culture is this culture awards because we're both like obsessed with awards we think they're so funny slash stupid slash cool whatever we grew up as like awards kids and then our fans were like well when really is the ceremony and then we were like we have to cancel them on the pod like it's gonna be so funny so we got on we're like they're canceled we're so sorry like we had it we've actually had a creative differences and we can't do it so that was the bit and then lincoln center was doing like a summer like concert series like it was like a summer in the city thing and they were like we have a spot for you guys it's like it's a free thing your fans can come like it's first come first serve like you know usually like 400 500 people will show up and someone will just do whatever it is like comedy whatever so we're like Let's do the awards.

Speaker 1 Let's literally do the awards as if it was, you know, a thing. The yummies.
Our producer, Lauren Mandel, has worked on so many of these types of shows. She's a friend of ours.

Speaker 1 She was a writer's assistant at SNL. So she knows Bowen, everyone, all of our friends, et cetera.
And we produced it like the real thing. And like 3,000 of our podcast listeners showed up.

Speaker 1 So suddenly it was a thing. And that was four years ago.

Speaker 1 It grew every year until people were like, you should try to sell it to someone. And I'm like, okay, here we go.
Hit the pitch, you know, grind. Yeah.
One place wanted it. Peacock slash Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 The only place you need it to be.

Speaker 1 Well, I guess there's like so much goodwill there because of Bowen. You know what I mean? Because he's obviously like, you know, he's Bowen and the star of SNL.
And so I think that whenever...

Speaker 1 like he's bringing in something they're like okay let's at least seriously consider it because no one else did they were like yeah thanks we don't get it at all but now now we did it.

Speaker 1 And it's everywhere. It's going to be good.
It's going to be good. It's everyone from Jeff Goldblum to Paige DeSorbo.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the turnout was crazy.

Speaker 1 Not normal.

Speaker 1 Nothing. Not normal.

Speaker 1 Is this the Emmy? It felt more akin to like SNL 50. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, which I got to go to earlier in the year because I did the red carpet and stuff.

Speaker 1 They were, that was very cool of them to ask me to do that. And just being there that night.
And, you know, Bo and Yang is obviously my best friend now going over, I don't know, like 14 years.

Speaker 1 And we went to college together. And to see him up there with these legends and just be a part of that, it felt more like that than it did anything else.

Speaker 1 Because I'm looking out, the crazy part is like, you know, you're producing and hosting the award show and you go out and you see like the seat cards.

Speaker 1 You know how it's like this, all the celebrity, their headshots on the seat cards. And I'm looking at it and I'm like, this is the stupidest shit I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 It was like literally the entire cast of the Salt Lake Housewives sitting behind Jamie League.

Speaker 1 It was absurd. Well, you know what? People just like iconic want to have fun with it and it's a war show and I think some of the, you know, the legacy ones have gotten a little

Speaker 1 stuffy or problematic or just all of the above. It's time to flatten it, I think.
You know what I mean? I feel like people, and it's weird.

Speaker 1 Like, I do think like what you're seeing like across the board is people being like, no, we don't want to do things the way they used to be or have always done. Like, it's not working for us.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? You see it in politics. You see it in entertainment.
You see it everywhere.

Speaker 1 It's just like people being like, I'm sorry, but you don't make the decisions for us anymore about what's, what's like the mainstream thing we're supposed to be watching doing.

Speaker 1 Or how we consume our content. Right, exactly.
I mean, what was wild was, you know, Jake Shane was in the show who obviously popped off so on his own, like on the internet and stuff.

Speaker 1 And then you also have, like, you know, someone like Sarah Michelle Geller in the show, who in the 90s was like monoculture. And, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So it's, it's so many of these different things that are equally important. And I think that one thing that our podcast does is it treats like, I guess, high and low culture the same.

Speaker 3 I was just about to ask you that.

Speaker 1 So that's like, that's, I think, that we can all, we can all benefit from.

Speaker 3 Because I feel like I've heard the, you know, kind of gripe from some of these maybe

Speaker 3 A-list celebrities kind of being like, What are these influencers doing at this event or this award show or this?

Speaker 3 And so it's like to have everyone there and everyone respect everyone for what they do is really cool.

Speaker 1 100%. I mean, I've always thought the funniest thing in the world to me is people who take themselves super seriously.
Yeah. I'm like, that is so

Speaker 1 cute.

Speaker 1 Like when you come in and

Speaker 1 I think, and like you guys probably know, because you guys have now been around, like when the more you get in the entertainment industry, the more you realize people don't necessarily have that good of a sense of humor about themselves, especially when it comes to like being given accolades or, you know, like award show stuff.

Speaker 1 Like when I was growing up, like, I just thought, oh, the Oscars, the MEs, of course, like, you want one if you want to be in the entertainment industry, but you do at a certain point, like, it is just an honor to be nominated.

Speaker 1 Just fun, like it's a show.

Speaker 1 Nah, people are so intense about it. So if this can help people be like, listen, let's lower the stakes.

Speaker 1 Cause that's my whole thing across the board is like, let's, we need to have fun. Yeah.
We need to lower the stakes. You can't lose sight of the fun.

Speaker 3 What are some of like your categories?

Speaker 1 It's like best Batman woman.

Speaker 1 Some of the great speeches we can look forward to.

Speaker 1 You know what? It's like, I can't ruin it, but like, if you look on the internet and see who was on the carpet, like, those are clues as to who

Speaker 1 might be giving speeches. There are some moments.
Two things I can say is

Speaker 1 we gave Lifetime Achievement Award tributes to Keenan Thompson and Allison Janney.

Speaker 1 And those were like, I'm really looking forward to people seeing those. Like across the board, the musical performances were amazing.
We had everyone from like Ben Platt to like Jensen McRae. Wow.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? So it covered a spectrum.

Speaker 3 So like, what was the reasoning for not inviting Nick and I?

Speaker 1 Oh, first of all, I literally. We need everyone.
Like, from here to there. I actually even said, I was like, we need, we probably need.
You guys weren't invited? No. That's actually crazy.

Speaker 1 In fairness, we were booking busy last night. Okay, okay.
Well, that makes me feel better at a Netflix event.

Speaker 1 But we would definitely would have rather gone to yours. Okay, well, you know what? Truly first or second row seats at the show next year.
God willing, we do it.

Speaker 1 And if they can't go, producers are way more than willing to accept it. To cover it,

Speaker 1 this is Mary. And we may.

Speaker 1 She is your biggest fan. I love her.
And would quit this job to work

Speaker 1 with.

Speaker 1 Can I tell you, though, I love the HQ.

Speaker 1 This is a setup because, I mean, you guys are seeing what's going on in here, which is stunning, but there's a whole HQ out there. Oh, yes.

Speaker 3 It's our HQ, and no one's sleeping with each other.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 1 Unlike our astronomer.

Speaker 1 Can you you invite them next year?

Speaker 1 Can we make an award for that? Anyone can have a scene.

Speaker 1 Trust me, anything is in play.

Speaker 1 When I'm telling you, like what we got away with, anything is in play. Best Kiss Cam Reveal.
Oh, yeah. Could you look at the game?

Speaker 1 They could have done anything else, and it would have been better than that reaction.

Speaker 1 You know what's crazy is, and this is another thing, it's like you really get into the minds of publicists and what they think is the good idea. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like booking this show and dealing with like talent's publicists, it's like a publicist advised you. We're talking obviously about the CEO

Speaker 1 reveal. He either popped off by himself or worse, a publicist advised him to like

Speaker 1 blame it on

Speaker 3 crazy shutting down. He's like, it's a shame that a private moment was made public by it's like

Speaker 3 you took your private affair to a public place.

Speaker 1 Also, it's like you clearly have coin. You you have great seats, you are watching the kiss cam happen and embracing

Speaker 1 you're on the butt of someone who you shouldn't be.

Speaker 1 HR department. Come on, that's HR.

Speaker 1 And then the woman, you know, the

Speaker 1 woman who was like blush in the face to the right was like

Speaker 1 was the support. Like, she was also in HR.
So the whole HR department's in on this affair.

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm not taking anything HR says to me seriously ever again you know what's funny you ruined it for every you literally saw all the fear responses you saw flight

Speaker 1 so drop freeze and freeze

Speaker 1 stop drop and roll you saw you saw him hit the ground and probably like already

Speaker 1 he literally fell you saw her pure devastation and you saw just his mama on the side like frozen like well She's no promoter.

Speaker 1 Honestly,

Speaker 1 I would say it's net positive for her.

Speaker 1 Yes, my girl on the right is the real star. She didn't do anything wrong.
No, she stopped dropped it. I mean, no, he stopped dropped and rolled and she was just like, we're going to burn.

Speaker 1 We don't think they're going to come on the show, but we have followed them on LinkedIn and sent him in. Wait, did they reactivate?

Speaker 2 They deactivated their LinkedIn because they got scared.

Speaker 1 That's my favorite show. She did the deactivation of LinkedIn.

Speaker 3 His wife did remove his last name from her Facebook page.

Speaker 1 And she's, have you seen a picture of her? What? No. Hot.
Hot. See, that's the thing: it's like, it's, and that's that's what it's never about any of that.

Speaker 1 It's just when you're the one, that type of guy, like, pushing to see what you can get away with. And it's so gross.
And then, and then for the audacity to be like, fuck, Colt.

Speaker 1 How did you get it? Like, you weren't just vibing to fix you.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying? You were just absolutely dropping it to clocks.

Speaker 1 And now you're like, fuck. Everything was yellow two seconds ago.

Speaker 1 Two seconds ago, and now it's red

Speaker 1 unbelievable but and also the fact that like it's just i always say current events are happening as we speak like they are the fact that that was happening at the same time as them like canceling colbert yeah like it's so

Speaker 1 and then what i i found out on the red carpet at the culture awards they're like so your reaction we obviously you know you react to pop culture your reaction to colbert being canceled i'm like what

Speaker 1 i was like not even colbert just the whole late late show. All late night.
Yeah, the late show in general. Yes.
It's a, that was a dark day.

Speaker 1 What do you, what do you think that means for late night in general? Do you think this is like the first domino?

Speaker 1 I think that I don't put it past any like corporate entity at this point to just do what's best for their bottom line.

Speaker 1 It's so scary. And it's also just like, you know, what you and Bowen are doing, what we do here.

Speaker 1 It's just like, I think we're creating shows that kind of have a similar vibe, but it's it's on demand kind of whenever you want to and each person can kind of find their their home right like their place they want to hang out with their friends and it's like

Speaker 1 like we have such like a lonely world that i think when people are tuning in to you guys yeah they're hanging out with their friends when they tune into this show it's the same vibe and i think that was just it's a different vibe than late night television that like kind of like you said like hasn't really kept up with the times and i just wondering if it's hard to like it's hard to do that when people can get the same kind of emotional like little serotonin boost that they would have ordinarily gotten from like it's like the death of monoculture you know what i mean like it's you don't have to go to the cinema anymore to see really quality high grade stuff because you can watch it on tv it is on if you're looking for something to just a snack on entertainment wise it is on your phone it's just kind of a harsh reality of

Speaker 1 where the industry has gone. And I just hope that there can be some way to maintain both because late night is

Speaker 1 important. You know what I mean? It is American culture, too.
And it's also British culture. I mean, they've always done it the best.

Speaker 1 But the late show ending is like,

Speaker 1 that's beyond. I was always

Speaker 1 a late show guy. I was always David Letterman.
Letterman

Speaker 1 was it.

Speaker 1 Letterman was it. Letterman defined what it was to make that comedy forward.
It was a rapid man.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Yes. Always, always.
And now, you know what's funny is like, you remember a few years ago, Quibi. Yeah.
They're three days. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had a show on Quibi that was like one of the launch of it. It was called Game Show.
And it was spelled G-A-Y-M-E Show.

Speaker 1 It was, we took two straight men and we put them to the test, emotional, physical, spiritual, and like artistic challenges to see which one could be named honorarily gay as fuck and reign as queen of the straits you would have been an amazing i would have crushed

Speaker 3 my baby would have won for sure

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 i really want to say i mean i've been i've been in honoree you are my favorite bachelor really yes

Speaker 1 without a doubt and listen i i i was in bachelor nation for like a three-year period, which was like the you through like, I guess it was like you through Ari

Speaker 1 because he lost me, but I watched you, and then I loved Rachel, and then, like, you know, through that whole area, and then I was like, Ari Leo and Deck Jr. doing that to her on television.

Speaker 1 I was like, I can't be part of this.

Speaker 1 Like, why can't we just talk about it? Can we just talk about it? She was just like, Are you actually doing this to me on television? And the answer was a hard yes. She goes around the corner.

Speaker 1 He's there. No, yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, like the karma that he got on Traders, just

Speaker 1 um, but regardless, like, yeah, I mean, it's all just collapsing in on itself. You know what I'm saying? Speaking of traders, would

Speaker 1 they ask?

Speaker 1 I just, I am not, I have respect for you, dude. I am, I'm not comfortable allowing them to edit me.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? No, I know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I.

Speaker 1 Did they ask? Yeah. You said no.
I wanted to. I just couldn't, I couldn't make it work with.

Speaker 1 I think you'd, well, I was booked and busy. Sure, which is like, you know, always the good thing.
But like, I think you'd be great. I think I don't know.
You would be great.

Speaker 1 Do you consider yourself to be perceptive? Yeah. Yeah.
Um, it's like a prime best skill. You would be the faithful faithful.
Yeah, I would, I would, I would want to be a faithful.

Speaker 1 You would want to be a faithful. Yeah.
And then I would figure out who the traders are and be their best friend. Well, yeah.
Until the end. See, isn't it funny?

Speaker 1 Like, whenever I'm watching Survivor, I'm like, oh, well, I would just play an amazing social trader.

Speaker 1 Well, I would be incredible.

Speaker 3 I'd be faster than them. Yeah.
I'd find the

Speaker 1 idol. The idol.
Oh, he's not he's not diving off that huge board correctly. I would do it better.
I would run up a ramp and dive into the ocean way better than flop a magoose over here.

Speaker 1 Absolutely can.

Speaker 1 Traders feels like one of the few shows where like I don't feel like they really are fucking with people's edits all that much.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, I actually I was talking to Dylan. Dylan was at the F Ron was at the show last night, too.
He's, by the way, the best. Just the best vibe.

Speaker 1 Hottest hottest guy ever.

Speaker 1 It's a total 10. Yeah.
And like, I think it's just going to keep going because what's not to love?

Speaker 1 But we were at, we were actually in Cannes together last month for the Cannes Lion, you know, thing. I saw pictures.

Speaker 1 Crazy shit. No, you should have been.
Oh, that would have been so fun. But like, it was like, um, I told him, I was like, you know, they, they had reached out to Bowen and I initially about season

Speaker 1 three or something. They two or three.
The one Crochet was on.

Speaker 1 And we were like,

Speaker 1 I was like, I just don't, I don't know if I can like say yes, because I know the villain at it I would get. I'm too easy to cut into, like, they don't

Speaker 1 snark is not your friend in reality TV. No, like, and that's the thing is just like or sarcasm, no, and I will just give them so many clips that they can put together to be like this bitch.

Speaker 1 And also, I know what would have happened had they put Bowen and I on the same season which is 100 one of us would have been a traitor and one of us would have been faithful and like we can't have that would have gotten so sad

Speaker 1 i mean so i think we'll just continue to be fans of the show wait what are your thoughts on meredith marks being a dj

Speaker 1 so she was our dj last night stop

Speaker 1 stop

Speaker 1 melissa my best friend is here and like She's literally in the corner screaming because you asked that question. She was our DJ last night.
Stop.

Speaker 1 What are my thoughts on her being a DJ? I mean, I think she's thought to infinity and beyond.

Speaker 1 I think, let's go.

Speaker 3 What do you feel like it's doing for her hearing?

Speaker 1 Wow. I hadn't considered her hearing.

Speaker 1 Well, you know.

Speaker 1 Wait, correct me if I'm wrong. It's both her ears, right? I believe she has both.

Speaker 1 She has hearing dates because with it. And

Speaker 6 the girl scout, she was like, we're talking about disabilities.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think, I think, you know what it is. Maybe because she can control all the aspects of the volume, we're okay.

Speaker 3 Okay, everyone's like really quiet last night.

Speaker 1 It was everyone, like, I mean, she was definitely more a DJ in name only, but she, I mean, she was great up there. One of the funniest moments was,

Speaker 1 again, not spoiling, but we're off to the side, me, Bowen, and Andy Cohen. And Andy just looks up and he's like, Is that Meredith

Speaker 1 in like the balcony in front of a DJ thing? I was like, Yeah, it's the culture awards.

Speaker 1 We put Meredith in the DJ booth. We sure did.

Speaker 1 That's sort of what happened. Maybe.
And he was like a little jealous.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, he was, well, you'll see what happens at the top of the show, but my thoughts are, my thoughts are whatever Meredith Marks wants to pursue, she should pursue.

Speaker 1 Have you seen her on Next Gen at all? Okay, so I

Speaker 1 can't really do Next Gen. Same.
Because I, and I'm on, I'm public about this and have been for a while. I have an allergy to the judices

Speaker 1 i i can't do it like i i i'm not do you like breakout in hives or no it's what it is is i'm just like oh like i just like it just feels when it feels like sweaty to me you know what i mean it's kind of just like it's just it's not i miss some more authenticity in it.

Speaker 1 Like it's crazy that everyone always think that Melissa and Joe are the ones like putting it on because I think it's the opposite. Yeah.
I find it to be the opposite.

Speaker 1 And I'd rather watch some watch their life than the Judice's life. That's like my, my bravo hot take that I'll, I'll still,

Speaker 1 the hill I'll still die on is I think if you love Teresa, you'll love Teresa on her own show. Yep.
You know what I mean? Like, I think the Judices should be a thing.

Speaker 1 New Jersey housewives, it's a shame that we can't have it anymore because,

Speaker 1 and it is her not playing ball. Yeah.
Teresa won't let it happen. No.

Speaker 3 Teresa won't move on either. So it's like we're doing the same storyline for seven years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And I'm not saying like kick them off television.
I get like I like I'm an OG Jersey fan. Like I root for Teresa.
I just can't watch

Speaker 1 her on this ensemble. And with Gia, I just feel like when she got old enough to sort of become a player on Jersey, I was like, this doesn't feel right to me.
And so I'm not like following her.

Speaker 3 It was always weird to have like all of the women at a dinner table and also Gia. It was like, right.

Speaker 1 I was like, I was like, and it felt manipulative. You know what I mean? I was like, cause Therese's the whole thing is always like, you can't talk to my daughter.
You can't talk about my daughter.

Speaker 1 Don't do that. It's like, yeah, but you're, she's very willingly a participant in this and clearly a paid in some way.
If you're in a confessional and a full beat, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, you can't then be like, she's not in play.

Speaker 1 Like she's a chessboard. She's the rook.
You know what I mean? Like it's like, my girl's the rook

Speaker 1 and a powerful piece on the board. Like, because when Gia comes in and is like yelling, what are Melissa and Joe supposed to do? So that felt to me manipulative.

Speaker 1 What do you think Jen Shaw and Elizabeth Holmes talk about in prison?

Speaker 1 World domination.

Speaker 1 I have to say, I got it. Elizabeth's like, I got a project for you.
I want you to get down the ground up.

Speaker 1 Who's pitching who, actually? I think it depends on the topic.

Speaker 1 if it's i think it's if it's the world of tech okay

Speaker 1 maybe they're trading maybe maybe they're learning from each other you know what i mean maybe jen shaw is on the ground like all right blood i have i have a way to draw blood and create and clone people she's like i have the perfect demographic we can go after

Speaker 1 she's like you're not gonna believe what these people believe do you think they have nicknames for each other oh my god

Speaker 1 i hope they just call each other like shaw and homes or like can't wait to find out like by the way it is like

Speaker 1 when people do awful, awful things, obviously, like, yeah, you go to prison, but like, God, you see those photos of them. It's like, it kind of looks fun.
It's sad. It kind of looks fun.
What?

Speaker 1 Them running the track.

Speaker 1 Nick was a track star. It's not giving Shaw shoot.

Speaker 1 What'd you run? I was actually like middle distance to distance. What was your event? 800 and 400.
So I was in the 4x4 and I did the 8, but my thing was the 16. Okay.

Speaker 3 Nick was the state champion of Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 I'm fucking kidding. She likes to tell people that.
You were.

Speaker 1 What were your times? Uh, 151. 151, 800, dude.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Like 47 and the 400.
What?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I ran a 53 and thought I was a king.

Speaker 1 That was my first lap of the 800. Yeah.
What? Yeah. You're fast.
I was. My mile time was 436.

Speaker 1 And I thought,

Speaker 1 he's like, oh, he's one of the rare people to not be like,

Speaker 1 I ran a 416 once.

Speaker 3 Nick tries to race like 13-year-olds

Speaker 1 to see if he's still Scottish. Did that once.
So do you still tear it up on the track? No. No.

Speaker 3 No, we went into your high school track. And what did you run?

Speaker 1 Three summers ago, I ran a 530-mile.

Speaker 1 As of like two years ago, year and a half ago, I'm like more on my fitness shit because. I'm 35 now.

Speaker 1 So I started with a personal trainer like last year and he goes, yeah, dude, it's really great that you get in here now because 35, that's when your metabolism is never the same.

Speaker 1 And by 40, you actually like have no chance if you want to start.

Speaker 1 And I was just like, uh, paralyzed.

Speaker 1 I'm like fresh 35. And I'm like, well, have you pretty much been the same weight most of your adulthood? Well, as a result of the last month during the culture awards, literally, I get on the scale.

Speaker 1 I get on the scale.

Speaker 1 I was at one of those hotels in downtown LA where they have this scale. I was like, let's just see.
I've been stressed out not eating.

Speaker 1 I've lost 14 pounds in the past like six weeks oh my god because of like stress so i'm clocking in at 166 today but i'm usually around like a 180.

Speaker 1 snatched yeah but right now it's it's cuckoo but like i'm gonna be fine when you turn 40.

Speaker 1 see i'll be all right but i last year i became like a berry's boot camp addict in like a in like a not good way

Speaker 1 because because it's hard you do berries no did it once i can't written

Speaker 1 i see i need someone to like be like you need to do this this way to this song

Speaker 1 in this lighting.

Speaker 1 I do. I do.
That's why I'm an official honoree. Like, I get excited.
See, there we go. That's what I'm saying.
It's like, it's like what they'll whip out sometimes in the playlist. I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 And then when you're on the treadmill and you look in the mirror and you're just like, no, shout out to Kyle K. And

Speaker 1 like in, he's in Studio City most of the time now, but he's become a friend. He's like an iconic Barriest trainer.
Sometimes he'll play a song and I'll literally just stop.

Speaker 1 i'll just get on the sides and i'll stop and i'll just look at him like you're a bitch

Speaker 1 you're a diabolical genius like what just gets whipped out like a bootylicious remix that like should never exist because it's going to make people too happy you know what i mean like too much but the thing about that is it's like if you i was doing it six times a week Jesus which is fucking stupid because I reconnected with my cardio you know what I mean like that went away in my 20s Then I was like doing berries and like reconnecting with like running.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, I love this. I'm good at this.
But the thing is, like, when you're on the treadmill, off the treadmill, on the floor, back, back, back, back.

Speaker 1 It's just like, you're going to, you can hurt yourself if you push it. No, it's definitely hurting your body.
Yeah. So now I got a trainer and it's, it's like changed my whole

Speaker 1 like, yeah, like the way that I like feel after the workouts. So that's good.
As much as I love this conversation. Um, do you

Speaker 1 when you find out it's a cut.

Speaker 1 Do you think Phaedra started the rumor about Angela and Charles Oakley?

Speaker 1 See, y'all are, see, you know what's funny is it's like, I get in so much trouble online for just saying the truth, which is, yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't think she's learned her lesson? You know what? She was

Speaker 1 she was on the view the other day being pretty convincing that she didn't.

Speaker 7 She also said she was running for president.

Speaker 1 So I did see that. She said, Did you see that?

Speaker 1 Well, what Phaedra Parks is truly passionate about is politics. I know.

Speaker 1 Oh, hence the view. With her legal background.
I was like, I was, she was, first of all, when Whoopi Goldberg said, please welcome Phaedra Parks. I was like, what?

Speaker 1 This is the flattening of culture that we need. You know what I mean? I was like, okay.
So then she comes out. They're having conversation.
She's like, I think definitely I will run for office.

Speaker 1 And I was like, you made up that someone tried to someone else on television.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. Then again, nowadays, who the fuck goes? I don't know.
I think the bar has been set. That's what I'm saying.
So it's just like, you never know.

Speaker 1 But like, I mean, I wouldn't put anything past her. I mean, she's an incredibly powerful personality.

Speaker 3 What about Brady not coming to the reunion?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It feels right. Because it's like, stay home.
It's like, what are you, what are you going to say? Yeah. You know, like, at that point, it's like,

Speaker 1 the whole thing was really ugly.

Speaker 3 It was so messy.

Speaker 1 I got to say, with housewives, I need Darit saying something in four languages. Yeah.
I don't need

Speaker 1 felony crimes. Yeah.
Like, unless it's Salt Lake City, which is essentially like a true crime documentary. Yeah.
Like, I don't need felony crimes.

Speaker 3 The four episodes later, she'd be like, and it wasn't even me. It was like, whoa.

Speaker 1 Wait a second. Yeah, no.
The last, the deceit, the trickery, and more. Like, it's, it's, no.

Speaker 1 Atlanta's kind of, I mean, I think that they've done the right thing by bringing back Phaedra if Candy's not going to be there. And Porsche obviously is one of the greats.

Speaker 1 I think when Porsche is good, she is the best. So good.

Speaker 1 I think she's going to crush on Traders. Period.
Yeah. Well, if, if nothing, and you know who else I'm so excited to be back on the TV screens.
Candice Tiller Bassett.

Speaker 1 Candice Tiller Bassett is. That's my girl.
Yes. That's my girl.
Yes. Like, I think she's going to tear.
God, it's going to tear or be so wrong every time she does movie.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? She's going to be

Speaker 1 literally.

Speaker 1 But she's so good on TV. I think they made a mistake on Potomac getting rid of her.
I really do. But, you know, whatever.
Giselle's running the show over there.

Speaker 1 So as long as they keep letting Giselle produce that show, it's going to be what it is.

Speaker 3 What is your take on bloggers in The Real House? What? I mean, obviously it's always been around. Do you feel like it's essential for the plot?

Speaker 1 Or do you think it's like it's like it's

Speaker 1 it?

Speaker 1 I want to see them. Like, I was talking to the Salt Lake City housewives last night, and one of them, I won't say which, did spoil for me something that happens.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, see, this is why you guys are the best.

Speaker 1 It's because

Speaker 1 they're making fun of each other and picking on each other for like

Speaker 1 personal little stupid things. It's like, you forget that show started with.
Mary M. Cosby telling Jensha, you smell like hospital.

Speaker 1 This is what we need more.

Speaker 1 We need way more. You smell like hospital and way less.
I'm not talking to her because I'm the OG and this, like, you know, zoomed out ego bullshit.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, we need the passing of the ball. Yeah.
That's what we need. And Salt Lake does that the best.
And Miami does that. Miami's good.

Speaker 3 Are you watching Miami this season?

Speaker 1 Love. I'm a little behind just because we've been so underwater.
But the last episode I saw,

Speaker 1 Lisa was storming out of a lunch tearfully

Speaker 1 yes yeah yeah yeah did you see the fight between julia and gurdy yeah i can't believe what's going on with julia i'm actually shocked and towards gurdy of all people it's really bizarre especially at this stage in gurdy's life to to act this way but i think that I think that Julia and Martina are way crazier than people can ever really truly understand.

Speaker 1 Sometimes gay people can be evil. Oh, no, 100%.
100%. Can confirm.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 as I look you in the eyes,

Speaker 1 no, like, no, yeah, like, that's the thing. It's like, we're not always heroes.
See me if they put me on trainers. See me on the show.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's my, I just feel like we need ensemble comedy. You know, that's what I need from housewives.
I need ensemble comedy. I need the office, but with

Speaker 1 these women. Yeah, that's like the valley.
It's like we were watching it. It's just gotten

Speaker 1 a lot of fun. I don't think this is a game of people trying to ruin each other's lives.
Yeah. That's the thing.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 It can't be that deep. If it is that deep, like it's just not fun.
And did the ratings go way down for the valley? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, give me fighting over an Instagram post, you know? 100%.

Speaker 3 It's like you put, like, you edited yourself and not me. You know, like, you face true shit yourself and not me.

Speaker 1 It's like you picked the photo that you look best. It's like one time I'm That's all I need.
Like, I wasn't tagged in something and we're going to fight about it for seven months.

Speaker 1 Did you fill out with me?

Speaker 3 No, it's my sister posting a picture of all of us at Thanksgiving one year and FaceTuning herself, which then stretched me out beside her.

Speaker 1 And I looked

Speaker 1 you only thought of yourself when you face tuned, period. Period.
Like that, that to me is a whole season. Episodes called FaceTune.
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 And all the best episodes are of any housewives is when everyone is hitting. Like, there was an episode of Miami, I think it was two seasons ago, where they're like,

Speaker 1 they're like eating dinner on the beach, and Adriana Damora is just on 10. She's just talking about her broken foot.
It was when she broke her foot.

Speaker 1 Her quote quotes broken foot. I could have smashed my foot into a million pieces.
Like,

Speaker 1 like everything going on, like Kiki peeing on the beach, like someone just randomly tackling someone else, and that had being how it happened with Adriana coming in in the wheelchair the next day, being

Speaker 1 rolled by Julia. The best moment of the whole episode, and I miss Dr.
Nicole on this season so much, but I think she'll be back, was when

Speaker 1 the women are all talking, and I think they're getting ready to go to lunch. And like, Julia's rolling Adriana in, who's, you know, in a foot cast that they've made.
Yeah, a wrap. And you just see Dr.

Speaker 1 Nicole like literally turns, sees mama come in in the wheelchair, and just goes

Speaker 1 and just like goes to cover her laugh. Because, and I've asked some of this, and I'm like, when things are happening like this, do you know it's gold?

Speaker 1 And they're like, I mean, kind of, but like, you got to stay in it. Yeah.
You know what I mean? It's like, you got to keep your splits on the same time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like, you got to, you, you got to keep your clip.

Speaker 3 Are you watching? Did you watch the OC premiere? Or did you not?

Speaker 1 I haven't yet seen the OC premiere. It's good.
Is it good? Is it good?

Speaker 1 See, see I OC sometimes like the sometimes the first episodes of the season it's like okay you're gonna they have to warm up yeah but I felt like OC really came out of the gate strong so Katie Janella is the villain this season is that what it's giving

Speaker 1 she's like I'm asking vloggers and like

Speaker 1 invited me to weddings like is it like she can't not go you know I was actually kind of team Katie at the end of the reunion last year because I thought Heather Dubrow went too hard way too hard and I'm like I'm a Heather Heather Dubrow fan.

Speaker 1 She, again, is just like the epitome of the type of person whose life I want to watch on Salesforce. She's so good at being rich.
She's expert at being rich. Expert.
And so is Terry. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, and them together, that is,

Speaker 1 you know, it's.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I want more of that.
I don't, I don't want housewives like not being able to pay rent. Because of the tax fraud.
Yeah, the tax fraud is, and also, what is that?

Speaker 1 or their partner is part of some sort of Dodger scam 100%.

Speaker 1 It's so crazy because like it's like it's like sometimes it's like okay, so you just you just see a man for one second on television and you're like, what crime criminal is it?

Speaker 1 What what how long are you going away and when? Yeah. Like should we expedite it? Like is you is is your wife putting you on television so that you can go to jail so that she can

Speaker 1 say best case is best case it's white collar or there's bodies. Like it's somewhere.

Speaker 1 How often do you think these women go on television or it's a like Kelsey Grammar situation where he's like, Yeah, you should do this show so they have like an out?

Speaker 1 Like, how many marriages are using this as an excuse, consciously or subconsciously? What do we think?

Speaker 1 79%?

Speaker 3 I feel like it has to be more than not, you know, like,

Speaker 3 then I'm trying to think of who who or like how many healthy relationships how many single housewives there are healthy relationships i'm like i think who do we have i think like if your husband's a character on the show if your husband's also like a diva housewife you're good

Speaker 1 joe gorga vibes yeah yeah

Speaker 1 i think that they will be very

Speaker 1 oh harry hamlin

Speaker 1 yes yeah

Speaker 1 a 10 yeah they're good i so this is my favorite story my best friend jared was hiking in

Speaker 1 Studio City. There's like, there's certain trails up there.
I forget what they're called. Fryman? Yes, Freiman.

Speaker 1 And he hiked past Harry Hamlin.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Harry, like, they both had dogs. And so the dogs were meeting or whatever.
And Jared, my best friend, just goes to him, congrats on the sauce

Speaker 1 at the bolognese.

Speaker 1 And he was like, thank you so much. Like, you know what I mean? Like getting being like told like that instead of his like many contributions to the sexiest man in alive

Speaker 1 and deservedly so also so good on like mad men. Yes.
Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like so legit.

Speaker 3 And congrats on the sauce.

Speaker 1 That is the flattening of culture. Supporting those men.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 We need more of that.

Speaker 1 We need way more.

Speaker 3 What do you feel like was the cultural impact of Lisa Rinna's M ⁇ M?

Speaker 1 I think that it's a multiple nominee at the Culture Awards. Thank you.
That's what I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say it's actually the Lisa Rena MM is up against Paige DeSorbo for the Allison Williams Cool Girl Award, and you're going to have to tune in to find it.

Speaker 6 Oh, I really, I feel really strongly that I love Paige DeSorbo, and I loved her little, like, she even pulled a Dorit hat.

Speaker 1 She pulled a Dorit tie card. The look that Paige DeSorbo pulled at the culture awards, that was maybe my proudest moment.
It was like,

Speaker 1 Bone and I created an event where Paige

Speaker 1 crushed.

Speaker 1 Paige crushed. I always say, well, I used to call them the JFK and Jackie of Bravo.

Speaker 1 And they are.

Speaker 1 But now she's just Jacqueline.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's kind of too.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's in her own nasty era, baby.

Speaker 1 She looked so hot. She's truly just effortless.
I did her like Amazon, like, you get in bed with her show. And we had never met.

Speaker 1 I get in, like, I'm for some reason bleach blonde and have like a crazy tan crisis era i'm sure

Speaker 1 um crash out um but i was like hi and she goes i feel like we already know each other but we haven't met i was like no yeah because we're both like tri-state area down yeah yeah you know what i mean and you have the club membership yeah yeah yeah we're we're both we probably are cousins

Speaker 1 despite me not being italian at all

Speaker 1 like yeah you can pull it off though i've always i i'm from long island so I get Italian a lot, but I'm actually like, my mom's Greek. So that's what it is.

Speaker 3 The way you said it, like a disappointment.

Speaker 1 My mom's Greek. Well, no, actually, so, well, the drama is when I did the 23andMe.
Oh, no. So I spit in the damn tube, send it in, think this is going to be great.

Speaker 1 Like, I bet I'm going to find out something really cool. Like, can't wait to find out.
I'm even more Greek than I've ever thought. Comes back.
Full on Turkish.

Speaker 1 I said, thank God my grandmother is dead. She loved being Greek.

Speaker 1 She loved it.

Speaker 1 She knew that she told everyone.

Speaker 1 I remember when we were little, she took me to see my big fat Greek wedding. She was like, this is my life.
This is my culture. She passes why we find out not a drop.
No, I thought I was 100% Polish.

Speaker 1 Turns out there was some Swedish in there, some Jewish in there, no Polish. Yeah.
So honestly, it's kind of like I was like, maybe I'll find out something crazy.

Speaker 1 Like, I wanted, I wanted so badly to go to Bowen and be like, guess who's 1.6% Asian?

Speaker 1 Didn't happen. Just more Turkish than Greek.
How did you met, you mentioned you and Bowen met in college. Yeah.
How, like, do you remember the day? I remember the moment. It's weird.

Speaker 1 Like, I remember pretty much all my close friends. It's a bizarre thing where I have like a photographic thing.
Like Bowen and I,

Speaker 1 it was freshman year and I was on, I was very, very closeted my freshman year at NYU.

Speaker 1 Even my whole first year at NYU, which is like, you know, dripping in gay guys and New York City was somewhere I was so excited to go because I thought, you know, even just coming from Long Island, like I'll be able to be more myself, et cetera.

Speaker 1 But a girl from my high school also got into NYU.

Speaker 1 And so I remember being really scared, like, oh, if I come out, she's going to go back and tell everybody. And so I remained closeted my whole freshman year.

Speaker 1 So this girl on my floor was like, I'm going to go to the improv show. My friend Bowen is in the improv group.
And or it wasn't the improv show.

Speaker 1 We're going to go to the sketch show, but my friend Bowen is going to come. He's in the improv group.
And I, you should, you guys should meet.

Speaker 1 So I remember coming around the elevator bank and standing there waiting for us was Bowen Yang.

Speaker 1 And I remember we looked at each other and sort of it was like that thing of like, you know, that scene when Pocahontas sees John Smith and it's like, it's like we saw each other and we're like, what, what is this?

Speaker 1 The wind is swirling. And I was, and it was just kind of like, okay.
Were you John Smith or or Pocahontas? I think I'm going to responsibly say I was John Smith. Okay.

Speaker 1 Even though I do think Pocahontas in that scene is so gorgeous. You know what I mean? The way they drew her hair.
Period. Disney, you ate that.

Speaker 1 So, like, we had this weird thing because he was also closeted at the time and pretending to have a crush on this girl who had invited me to the show.

Speaker 1 So we go to the sketch comedy show and I'm literally there and I'm watching it and Rachel Bloom is in the group and it ended up being Hammercats, which was the sketch group that I joined and then became the director of.

Speaker 1 But Bowen was the gay in the improv group. And I was the gay in the sketch comedy group at NYU.

Speaker 1 And so we, cause when we eventually came out, like after I made the group, which by the way, I don't tell the story a lot, but I auditioned for the improv group.

Speaker 1 And Bowen came over and was like, we're so excited. You're auditioning.
Like, we hear you're really funny. And they cut me first round.

Speaker 1 And so then I made the sketch group and I was like, you cut me, bitch.

Speaker 1 And he was like, I'm sorry. Like, it wasn't me.
It was the girls. Like, it was them.
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds like a Love Island cast.
Literally.

Speaker 1 I was like, Boeing. It's not personal.
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 I was like, okay. And so then I'm the gay in the sketch group.
He's the gay in the improv group. And so all the, you know, like straight people in the group were like, you know, be best friends.

Speaker 1 Like, do it. You know what I mean? Like, perform for us.
Like, aren't you gay or aren't you gay? It's like when you're the two gays at a wedding and everyone there is like, you guys should fuck. Like,

Speaker 1 well damn

Speaker 1 so then like we were like kind of like resentful like i'm not gonna be friends with him just because we're gay like no and then almost instantaneously like i think we were both like i don't know at the same like comedy party like off book to you belong with me by taylor swift like jumping around and being like we're best friends huh and so then

Speaker 1 boom you know what i mean like we were just like We have a weird thing where it's like, I feel like he's like my twin that was born on a different day than me in a different part of the world.

Speaker 1 Like we have a very, very, very symbiotic energy. Like he's just like, he's like a soulmate of mine.
Oh my gosh. And it like,

Speaker 1 it was years of just being friends. And we, we started another like sketch group together in New York.
Like we were truly just like.

Speaker 1 waiting tables. He was a graphic designer.
He was the graphic designer in-house for One King's Lane. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then like, um, I was waiting tables in the financial district and, you know, working five days a week with the gnarliest like five eyebrows.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, it just was so, I've saw these men run our banks and then come in for lunch and get tanked and go back to work. I'm just like, there goes my money.
Yeah, rah-rah.

Speaker 1 And so, like, I'm grinding, grinding, grinding. And then we decided to start the podcast in 2016, just independent, no expectations.

Speaker 1 It was, that's why it's called Lost Culture Ristas because it's so stupid. We never thought anyone would listen.
It was a joke.

Speaker 1 Like, just got a bunch of our friends to come on and be at the I don't think so honey bit was like, we have to do something.

Speaker 1 And one joke we would do is whenever anyone was being stupid, we would just go, I don't think so honey, no sweetie. Like, and I was like, I guess that'll be the bit.

Speaker 1 And like, it'll be a 60-second rant, like every other podcast in the goddamn world.

Speaker 1 Isn't it funny, though, when you're like, if I knew this was going to be a thing, I don't know if I don't, I wouldn't have named it this. No, the biophiles, like,

Speaker 1 no, the biophiles is a great name,

Speaker 1 you know. No, it's so great.
Thank you, but I, you know. And also, it tells people forever how to pronounce it.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Because they're so many.

Speaker 1 People come in here and they're like the vial files.

Speaker 1 No, they're not.

Speaker 1 How do you pronounce your last name? Vial. Viol.
Vial.

Speaker 1 Viol. Files.
Viol.

Speaker 1 That's not viol. It says viol.
Viol. Yep.
The viol files.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly. It's terrible.
It's suck at all. It's iconic because you know what? We're talking about it.
It's true.

Speaker 1 But like, yeah, no, then the podcast, like, gained the momentum over time, like, truly word of mouth. And then, yeah.
Well, it's, it's amazing. We all love it.
And we love you guys and love you.

Speaker 1 This is the best. I can't.
Is it over?

Speaker 1 We can keep going. No, I was just, I was like, I just want to be respectful of your time.
No, wait, what time is it? 11.45. Oh, do we have to go? I have like 15 more minutes.

Speaker 1 Unless you guys are like, get the fuck out. We do want to do some content with you.
Let's Let's do content. I have a goofy idea.
She has a. I bet you do.
She does. She does.

Speaker 1 What did you say?

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. So we started to do that.
I'm a big

Speaker 1 trend. Melissa, that's my, my bestie over there, like, like, literally, like, puts me in clothes and, like, tells me to do TikToks at multi-mouth.
That's a good friend.

Speaker 1 Literally, that's a good friend. And also, wait, Melissa, you got to show them the octo.

Speaker 1 Get your phone. So this is my, this is, you know, know the back of the phone oh yeah yeah yeah i know this is literally

Speaker 1 you're never going to be the same

Speaker 1 do you see this

Speaker 1 everyone this is a visual medium out of the way of the camera so

Speaker 1 this this like thing yeah it's to yeah to windows

Speaker 1 to windows like not on this phone to windows it'll be crazy and you can do the craziest fit checks and tick tocks like

Speaker 1 best lighting ever I'm just saying. Like, this thing, what was it? $8 on Amazon? It's a sleigh.

Speaker 3 I have to trade mine out. Like, I have to only put it on if I know I'm going to do like shoot because it gets so gross to me.

Speaker 1 I found a new one. What is it?

Speaker 1 Are you on now? No, no, no. By the way, you at the desk is so iconic.
It's giving

Speaker 1 everything. Yeah.
Thank you so much. Jenna Busch Hager.

Speaker 1 I'm honored.

Speaker 3 No, it's a little thing that's brown and you,

Speaker 3 it has like the suction cup thing, but it's not sticky. And then you tighten it and you can literally put it on anything.
And it has like a little magnet for the mag mag safe cases. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But yeah, you can literally put it on the mirror, put it on the wall. You just like suction cup it on and then it's it holds and then you just twist it and it releases.

Speaker 1 No, she's turned me into a monster now because now I'll just

Speaker 1 slap it on the mirror and just FaceTime people and I'll just like be having

Speaker 1 just because you can't.

Speaker 1 The wedding's so good right now. I have to call somebody.
I know. It's like, honestly, I just got a place in New York.
And

Speaker 1 unfortunately for everyone in my contacts, the mirror has good lighting. And so now I'm just like, hey, like,

Speaker 1 I just wanted to check in, babes.

Speaker 1 Like, why do you keep looking up to the right? It's like, I don't, I was just like, it's like, because, don't you love it?

Speaker 1 But yeah, no, this is, I'm so happy you guys invited me to be here.

Speaker 3 Will you come back?

Speaker 1 Of course I'll come back.

Speaker 1 Period. We'd love that.

Speaker 3 Are we going to get another season of No Good Deeds?

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 So basically,

Speaker 1 No Good Deed was, it was, it was the show I was on on Netflix. Like, it's, it's on an indefinite pause, I think, because it was kind of written as a limited series.

Speaker 1 And then there was actually some conversation about continuing it with some of the characters. And it did great.
I loved it.

Speaker 3 By the way, you're fantastic in it.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 That's really kind. But because really, really, what I want to be doing is acting.
Like, that's like what I really love. And I have some stuff that's going to come out October, November.

Speaker 1 But like, it's, it's a bummer when, because a lot of the stuff I've done that I've loved has only had one season. Okay.
Just because of whatever reason, it's hard. It's hard for things to get renewed.

Speaker 1 I always joke, Bowen is an expert at getting renewed and I'm a flop at getting renewed. But like, um,

Speaker 1 that one was just written as like a limited series. It kind of ended clean.
It did. You know what I mean? Where I I was like, are we going to get one? Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was one storyline that could have kept going. And I think the idea was to follow Teana Paris's family and O.T.
Fagmenle, like their family, and then a new cast around them.

Speaker 1 Because when we started, everyone had a one-season contract. So that's how I knew.
I'm like,

Speaker 1 that's how I,

Speaker 1 when you sign on for a one-season contract, that's like, that's it.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, they'd sign you in for 10.

Speaker 1 Well, whatever you're doing in October, November, we will be watching.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you after.

Speaker 1 I mean, your star is like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys are the best. Thank you so much.
Really rising.

Speaker 1 It's really so cool to be here. And I'm a fan.
And yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 We love you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was so much fun. Matt was

Speaker 1 just quite a delight.

Speaker 1 I always want to say French kiss, but chef's kiss. Did you always? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't want to say French kiss, but I do know what you mean. I wanted to say.
Do you want a French kiss, Matt Rogers?

Speaker 1 I mean, like, you know, I don't, like, not want. It's fine.
I don't want to talk about it. Anyways, that wraps up our show.

Speaker 1 Thank you to all our guests, Matt Rogers, Austin, Nichols, as well as Taylor Owen and James Neal. We appreciate them all and appreciate you guys listening as well.

Speaker 1 Be sure to check out all our episodes that are out there.

Speaker 1 Whether it was Luke from the Valley that was on Tuesday's episode, if you are just finishing up Love Island and you're just playing catch-up, we have pretty much the entire cast of Love Island on our show.

Speaker 1 So be sure to check out all those great interviews. We will see you back next week for another jam-packed, exciting week.
Until then, bye-bye.