E964 - Love Island USA w/ TJ and Jaden, Monica Garcia Returns, The Valley, Golden Bach & Kristen Engaged

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

I'm your host, Nick, and boy, do we have a great show lined up for you?

So much drama with Love Island.

So it's just on top.

They were leaving babies next to stoves.

No, yeah, that was crazy.

On the counter, ready to roll off.

I know.

So, so much to get into.

We have a great lineup of guests this episode, starting with Monica Garcia, who is going to be joining us momentarily.

I feel like she needs no introduction, but she's formerly of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City with her unceremonious exit, unceremoniously exiting.

Proofs, receipts, timelines, whatever.

She's iconic.

We are excited to catch up with her.

She's also a big Love Island fan.

So we're going to talk some Love Island with Monica and just see what she's been up to.

Also, Christina Coca is with us.

She is hilarious on the Gram and TikTok.

She's a content creator that we have been enjoying her content creating takes.

So, anyway, she's going to be joining us also shortly to talk some Love Island.

I think she's also into the Valley as well.

We'll be breaking down the Dark, Dark Valley later this episode, but also after Monica and Christina, we have TJ and Jaden from Live Island together to answer Live Island, baby.

Yeah,

to So answer all your burning questions.

How's TJ feeling about Iris, you know, basically being in maybe the most in-love couple with her and Pepe?

How's he doing?

Just Jaden's experience, her thoughts on the rest of the cast.

We get into a lot with them.

And that is up later this episode.

But right now, it's time to bring on your girl, Monica Garcia.

Welcome to the show.

Welcome back.

Yay!

Yay!

I'm so excited to be here, you guys.

This is like full circle moment for me.

We still have that burn book that we made for you

up in the up in the studio.

Oh my gosh, that FN burn book.

How have you been?

I mean, obviously, last time we saw you in person, you were on the show.

You made an announcement.

And obviously, sadly, you know,

shortly thereafter, you made another announcement, which our heart goes out to you.

But like, time has passed and you announced another amazing miracle.

How's everything going?

So good.

It's honestly, that was probably going through the miscarriage, you guys, was harder than going through the show because everyone said that I was lying about it.

So to go through such a huge loss and then to have the entire world just completely come for you, like

you're disgusting for lying about something.

It was the hardest time of my life,

which is a lot.

considering everything I went through with the show.

But now we have our little rainbow baby and she's amazing.

And, you know, everything works out how it's supposed to in the end.

And we can't imagine not having her.

So, yeah.

We've been very open about our losses.

Do you feel like your rainbow baby is the same baby that you miscarried with and she just wasn't ready yet?

Okay.

Or do you think they're two separate babies?

So I.

I have theory.

I have theories both ways.

This is like actually such an interesting topic.

I actually think that I have something where I can't carry boys.

And every time I have miscarried,

believe that it's a boy, like for whatever reason, my body is rejecting

an instinctual feeling or as something.

It's actually, I think it's instinctual too, but there's actually a real thing where you're, for whatever reason, your body rejects those chromosomes or doesn't accept them or whatever.

But you guys, like.

For real, it honestly was the hardest time of my life.

So having my little rainbow baby, you know, I think she was always meant to be however you look sweet i'm so happy for you how old is she today she's three months oh my gosh is she a good baby yeah she's probably my best baby she has been the best baby that so you're just in love with all of the other kids you're in newborn bliss i know no actually they know they're like she's so good she's are they helping me with it

I have the best little helpers.

They're just like little mommies.

They like pack their own little diaper bags for her, like to bring with them.

It's really cute.

It's really cute.

I love that.

Yeah.

It's the most Utah thing I've done, you know, because I have a 20-year-old and a three-month-old.

So,

I mean, obviously, I'm sure that's kept you very busy.

So glad to see you where you're at right now.

And yeah, I hate to hear.

Obviously, we certainly relate to that experience.

And, you know, it's heartbreaking, but so happy for you and your rainbow baby.

So exciting.

Thank you.

What else have you been up to?

So

we bought a house.

Congratulations.

And it's current.

Thank you so much.

It's currently being remodeled.

So we're in the process of just building a dream home and all the things.

And it's just, you know, it's amazing what can come from the worst season of your life.

Maybe you're probably not even thinking about this, but do you think we'll ever see you on TV again?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I mean, never say never, right?

Never say never.

As far as housewives like Salt Lake City, I don't know.

I don't think I would come back unless, and that's not me, because we all know I would have no problem coming back and facing that situation.

But unless a couple people left,

they've dug their heels in the sand.

Yeah.

That's unfortunate.

Which honestly, it's reality TV.

Like show the reality of it.

And I think it's, you know, I think that a cash should never have control over a would you want to go on Traders?

I would love to go on Traders.

They would be welcoming.

Like, like do you think the people who i mean if they had tom sandoval i don't know like i don't know

literally he was literally what the network is like are you cool with like shed media oh

i i okay my relationship with bravo and shed and the network and production is amazing they were incredible we've had no issues they're amazing they've been so supportive it's truly the cast And not all of the cast.

I'm glad you clear that up because I feel like a lot of people have a bunch of different like thoughts and theories about you know have you ever met brittany brittany bateman um no

no she's heather's friend though right she's yeah she's great she's she's

you guys have met her never met her no but we you know we've seen her content on tick tock uh we watched her last season but she just i i asked because her you know her and jared broke up again And I just was wondering if you had any opinion on that.

I don't fucking know.

i honestly that whole situation is so wild to me i don't understand

i don't understand it it's so it's so bizarre i don't i mean i look i'm not gonna start beef with any of

her

we're not trying to get you in trouble either we're just you know no honestly she She said that she would love to get together and talk with me because her first season was extremely traumatic for her.

And she feels like I would be able to relate to that.

For sure.

So yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I would, can you, can you post about it?

Like if you guys get tea or coffee, the fans would get a hoop, you know, just giving her a little like, yeah, the fans would love it.

And Heather gave you know, caption like newbie, you know, teaching her new, you know, giving her, yeah, giving her the playbook.

Yeah, that's your caption.

I mean, we have a little bit in common since she was secretly recording them, right?

There you go.

Yeah,

so you admit it.

No,

no, I admit to recording Jenny.

Yes, yes.

I've never denied that, though.

Yeah.

Uh, I know you are a big Love Island fan.

What are you watching anything else?

What else is keeping your time preoccupied?

So, um, have you guys ever seen Ginny in Georgia?

Oh my God.

Yes, absolutely.

We had the star.

Yeah, because the new season just came out.

Yeah, it's so good.

That has it's like the most watched show.

I've been looking for it with like yeah crazy numbers no insane numbers like billions of people are watching billions and billions of people it's insane i actually ironically haven't watched secret lives of mormon wives the second season i know it's a sin because i live here

but maybe does it hit does it hit i haven't too close to home no i just honestly i think

Maybe it does.

I don't know.

I liked the first season.

I really did.

So, but I need to watch the second.

Did you guys know that?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Nick hosted the reunion.

Was it good?

Really good.

Oh my God.

That's right.

Nick happened.

It was great.

Yeah.

Now, this feels like a setup to talk about

the reunion.

It was great.

You know, those women are amazing.

They're professionals in great TV.

And I was honored to

be a part of that reunion.

So it was great.

Their phenomenon is insane.

And I am totally here for that.

Like, I think it's incredible.

They've just dominated.

I can't.

I know you haven't watched season two, but do you have a favorite of what you know about them?

I know Layla.

I knew Layla before.

So I love Layla.

I love her.

I love her very much.

And then Jesse and I follow each other on social media.

She's always been really sweet.

But I don't know them.

I don't know them.

I don't know any of them personally.

What do you guys think?

Because I will tell you, Housewives is having record low numbers, right?

So what do you think is the difference?

Are you talking about when you say record low, are you mean just like across the franchise in general?

You think they're like all struggling?

Yeah.

I mean, did you see Miami's numbers or do you know any of their numbers?

Yeah, like not, not, not popping, you know?

No, but then you have Secret Lives and they're streaming like billions.

Well,

listen, I think maybe it's just like a different demographic.

And I think you are seeing the Mormon housewife women a little bit more.

It seems more like Bravo seems to, like, and we've talked about this with the Valley, right?

The Valley is a collection of people with young kids and things like that.

But it's more about like these just toxic interpersonal relationships where it's just like, it's always kind of dark.

And the Mormon housewives, those women give drama and they are amazing at just being honest and vulnerable, but are friendships and they are at least trying to be like high character people.

And then they have highs and lows.

And there is like, you know, still like meaningful relationships and there's vulnerability with some things that they've all been through.

And I think it's just more 360 where like it doesn't keep, like, we've been watching The Valley all season and we talk about it later in the episode, but it's just like every episode, it's just like just these toxic behaviors.

And like, you know, this episode, you have Janet accusing Danny of sexual assault and using language that like a lot of people are like, oh my God, having an issue with, you know, and it's just like, and then you have Jack's tail.

It's just, it's dark.

And I think the Mormon housewives, it's a brighter, you know, there's a, there's fun elements to it still.

You're still having a good time, you know, like with Love Island, every once in a while they throw in a silly challenge where you're just laughing.

And like, you have to be still like, otherwise you're just like, man, I think there's a little bit of that.

I think it's just a little too much yelling and screaming and like going low all the time with these relationships.

That's actually so, I agree with that 100%.

It's so true.

And I do agree with Jex Taylor and some of the things I've heard about,

I haven't watched it, but the whole Brittany of it all is just, that's really, really deep.

That's it's just all dark stuff.

And it's just like,

you know, see, even talking about it brings us down.

There you go.

Should we, should we, should we get into some Love Island?

Yes.

Well, before we do, let's bring on Christina.

We, again, big fans.

She's a content creator.

You probably recognize her on Instagram or TikTok, but she is talking about all your favorite reality TV shows, and she's going to talk with us and talk some Love Island.

So bring on Christina.

Hi.

Hello.

Hi.

Wait.

Do we need to

surprise?

Did you not tell Christina that Monica would be here?

No, I didn't.

I kind of wanted to give it a a surprise.

Surprise.

I'm glad it's a, I was concerned that it was going to be like with a one franchise I didn't watch.

She knew it was going to be someone from the Housewives.

Well, as long as you watch Housewives, I mean, Love Island, rather.

Monica is just on here like yourself as a fan of Love Island.

Yes.

I love that.

I was wondering, like, is there just like a Love Island fan, Housewife who's coming?

Or are we talking about housewife?

No, we went on cameo and asked Monica to join us.

I don't know when your birthday is, but go ahead, Monica.

Happy birthday.

Happy birthday.

We got that for you, Christina.

Christina, people have seen your content all over the internet, and certainly we have noticed it from time to time and are fans of what you're making.

So we're excited to have you on and talk some Love Island along, obviously, with Monica.

And this is a question for both of you ladies before we really dive into the past couple episodes.

Like, what are your just general feelings about this season?

Who are some of your favorites?

And then we'll kind of get into the nitty-gritty in the past couple episodes.

Thank you for having me, by the way, and for the compliments

of watching my content.

I think that this season,

because of season six, season seven started with a deficit like it was coming from like negative zero trying to work you you know, negative zero.

That's not a number.

But, you know, it was starting like with something to prove.

And so I think that harmed it in terms of like comparisons and the viewers like being willing to engage with the new cast without comparing it.

Like I personally, I came for Ariana and then like I stayed for the drama.

So I've only seen season six and then this season.

I'm not, I'm not like an OG Love Islander.

And so, I mean, I can see why season six was so incredible because it just, I feel like the friendships and the relationships were really genuine.

And it's not that there aren't any on this season.

I think it's just it's taking a lot longer.

I think they're hyper-aware of

what they're pursuing, you know, what the perception of them is going to be to the point where it's disrupting maybe what they would like naturally do.

But I'm listening, it's like it's, it's been a roller coaster.

Like the two episodes, I'll be like screaming and mad, and then I'll be laughing and crying in the next one.

So it's,

I will say, for all of our critiques of this season and questions about like, why didn't we get movie night or things like that, it hasn't been hard to keep up.

And I've been invested in this season, whether I've been like annoyed or just, but like, they do have dynamic characters.

So I don't know.

Maybe like to your point, Christina, maybe it was never going to live up to the, you know, what season six was, which was like really exciting.

But like these, you know, ultimately, you had these, the three meaningful relationships that are still going strong.

And like, you know, despite us watching it for the drama and all this stuff, like it is nice to see people make authentic connections that you want to root for.

Monica, just generally speaking, like, what, what are you, how are you feeling about this?

Uh, you seem like you have been a Love Island OG fan for a while.

So how are you feeling about this season?

Okay.

And I have to apologize because I lost my voice a little bit over the four.

Giving sexy.

Sexy Ross.

People normally hate my voice so maybe this is

like a maya now yeah

um i kind of i

look you i feel like there's this whole underlying thing of you're only as good as your last season and i think that when you are comparing to the previous season i mean the same thing happens in the housewives world when they have a knockout of the park season it's like oh crap what are what's what's the next season going to be like and you're holding it to that same standard which obviously you cannot hold it to season six i mean season six

season six was the best season i think that they've had i i honestly believe that i think the cast was perfect ariana coming in brought in so many people it shook up everything um i do think that this season has been you know like christina said a roller coaster i think you know this

There was a scene where they were like, the switch up is crazy.

And I'm like, the biggest switch up was us turning against the women and then rooting for like ACE and stuff.

I mean, the season has been a complete,

I don't know, like a fever dream.

It's a chaotic mess.

And when you really think about it, we're all like so addicted to it.

And it's crazy to watch because half the stuff that they do, we would never, never ask people to do.

Like, put this in your mouth and then spit it in his mouth.

It's crazy.

What the heck are we watching?

But we're all like like obsessed with it.

It's crazy.

And I think that there is a lot to be said for this cast maybe coming in and feeling the pressure from the previous season.

And, you know, I only say that from kind of that perspective of, oh, crap, we have a big, big, big shoes to fill here with season six.

And it's just they were never probably not going to be too self-aware about that.

Yeah.

It does feel like they're all kind of like, and I'm excited to ask, you know, Jaden and TJ this later, but like, it does feel like all of the bombshells that come in, who like haven't been there the whole time and who have been watching and on TikTok and reading what the fans say, it feels like they kind of come in and like give everyone the down low.

And it's like they tell everyone, like, oh, this is what's going viral.

Everyone's calling Amaya Amaya Papaya.

We're calling like Nicolandria Nicolandria.

And I feel like they're kind of letting.

the originals in on what everyone's thinking about.

I think you nailed it last week.

How could they not?

And I'm curious what they say, but I'm guessing they will either avoid the question or just kind of like suggest without hearing anything.

But what does happen, and I'm curious, you know, is that like there's going to be like some kind of lower-level producer that's like their handler who like kind of like gives them the tea off record and does like, don't tell anyone.

But eventually, everyone's, you know what I'm saying?

So they all kind of know.

But from an official policy standpoint, like, I bet the policy is like they're not supposed to like share.

Yeah.

But like, how are these people knowing about Amaya Papaya or Nicolandrea or like just some of the things that the internet is talking about?

It's, I don't know.

Well, when the, when the bombshells are awaiting their, their arrival, I know that they're able to like watch the episodes, but I, I'm not sure that they have access to their social.

I don't know.

Like, I remember seeing a video of Iris finding out that she was going and she was packing in her apartment.

And I'm sure last season.

Like last season, there were people, there were bombshells who were like, no, we were in, I was like sitting there isolated in Fiji in a hotel room for four weeks before evening.

It's a mix of both.

One thing I've learned about, you know, you know, I'm curious what you think always when it comes to talking like production in this world, Monica,

but like also the love competition shows do move a little bit different than the like, you know, episodic with like a repeating cast because like relationships are more meaningful when you have people coming back with seasons.

and like, you know, when you have one season, it could just be like, you know, these people come and go.

But I think it's a mixed bag, right?

You're going to hear stories of people who have sat in hotel rooms for weeks and then you're going to hear, you're going to hear people who like literally flew in.

I think Vanna said like she flew in in like 24 hours because again, like, I think the show really wants to like, they don't want to be that committal.

Like they are, they are trying to give us what we want.

So it's a mix.

I agree with you, Nick.

I think it's kind of like ever flowing.

I think that, you know, people have, is it scripted?

Is it real?

Either way, it is happening in real time.

And so they kind of have to change and go with what's happening.

And so that might

direct their decision making to somewhere where they didn't think it would be before.

Like, okay, crap, let's do this.

Let's bring Vanna in.

Let's do this.

Where maybe they weren't thinking that before.

I think that some decisions are made like on the fly.

I think also the like, oh, the switch up is crazy thing, like after that America most genuine best boyfriend material, like that was a that confused me as a viewer because the vote was like your favorite islander guy and girl, but but the things that they were telling them on that episode were polls that were like put up like the day before or something.

Yeah.

And so I was like, I didn't pick, what are these?

Like, I didn't, I mean, I just vote when there's like a vote.

I don't really do all the polls.

And so anyway, that's a separate thought.

But I think that clearly they were like, oh,

like Amaya's like, oh, Ace and Shelley.

Yeah.

Oh.

Ace's switch up with Amaya when he realized, oh, fuck, America loves this bitch was crazy.

Exactly.

And thank, but honestly, thank God, because since then, like, it's been so much more fun.

And a lot of people have been, have been like trying to say, like, oh, my God, like, the energy is so much lighter since Sierra left.

I'm like, that, to me, I think that's just a coincidence.

I think think

that's projected.

Yeah, like the

even that game, that like American Waffle Warrior game that they had them play that one night had like no point.

I think it was just like, these people need to actually,

yeah, we don't need any more mess or tea, like we don't need like sneakiness.

Like, let's just go.

Well, it is kind of weird.

And the bigger question I had, again, and Monica, I always want to hear perspective, but again, a big general criticism or note from fans over the season, and even from us or questioning at least is producer involvement.

Is this season being overproduced, et cetera, et cetera?

I think that sometimes that's easy to criticize or even a scapegoat.

I will say, just like knowing how this stuff works, I think we have to take into consideration, right, like what's one of the big gripes of this season?

And that is like, oh, once a couple couples up or connections are made, they get

just killed.

They're assassinated, right?

But last night, that was on America.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, say what you want about producers' involvement.

America got to pick their favorite couple.

And we were like, I don't know, we don't care if they're in love.

Like, they are by far the most genuine connections.

Regardless of you think about Clark and Taylor, like, they like each other.

It's obvious.

You see it.

Like, he likes her so much that he was willing to piss off everyone in the villa.

And we were like, you know what?

Fuck you.

And America.

But I think that's why he got that vote.

Like, I think we were all just mad.

Totally.

But I think we have to.

But, like, my point is, is like, as fans and produce, like, producers would love a cast that like America loves and they're organically like not self-editing and not overly self-conscious and not trying to like write their own story.

And I think sometimes producers are forced to produce in situations they don't want to produce.

And I think it's not as clear to tell which is which, right?

Like I think sometimes they have to produce.

Even like, they're like, man, this Ace guy is like, honestly, he's, he's stopping people from like, everyone's listening to Ace, right?

Like in a bachelor house, if like, for example, a little BTS, if like in week three, there was someone being like, man, pointing out all the cameras and pointing out producers and being like, this is all bullshit, they get that person sent home because it's just kind of toxic for the, like the experiment that everyone signed up for.

And it is an experiment.

And sometimes there are people in.

in this experiment that kind of like taint the experiment.

And I think that's where producers sometimes have to do stuff that like we don't like but i actually think it's to the benefit of the show so that was my question do you guys actually think that when there's votes or polls or whatever and then they reveal the answers do you think those were the real answers or do you think there's some behind the scenes i don't think so i feel like there's no way that tj was like the least voted man out of zach and elon and after we had zach like come at Amaya at the stand on business challenge, how is TJ on the chopping block?

How is Clark on the bottom of every poll?

You're saying that she's not in the bottom 10.

She's bursting.

That's what I said.

That is exactly what I said.

I'm like, how is she number 10 in every single freaking thing?

And then she's not even in the bottom.

I said the same exact thing.

I'm like, there's the poll that we took.

Then we watched the business challenge.

And then

the at the

most least whatever thing,

that was the results from the poll before the stand on business.

Then our next vote after that was for your, well, actually, no, the vote that I thought we were going to get was our favorite girl and guy.

That's what we voted for.

Also, that was in the like best, worst, whatever, or most least.

Then the vote was for our favorite couple.

And the thing that's frustrating me about these votes and correct me i might not be right but i think i am but but what's frustrating me about the votes is i'm i'm voting for my favorite and they never

i know why they're not revealing the frave the favorite because it'll i think that would change the dynamics a lot more than saying just like whoever got the least amount of votes but like i want to know i want to know who's the topic yeah christina who is your favorite nick they can never make me hate you i love him i just do i can't help it i'm sorry thank you but amaya amaya amaya deserves to win like does she's she is just

i've like not fantasized that's a weird word i've like thought about i've imagined the moment that she comes out and she gets her phone back and she sees yeah like the love everyone has for her.

Like, I just, I like literally

thinking about it.

Like, i'm so excited the fact that she's the only islander who went on this show and wasn't like hey can someone run my account to get me followers she was just like i'm just gonna go

I just want to go on the show and find love.

She's so genuine and she deserves the world.

She really is.

I feel like Nick is America's fuckboy.

It's like, you know, they're like, you know what?

I don't know.

I probably shouldn't like him so much, but whatever.

He's just so adorable and fun.

And I just like, oh my God, maybe he'll name me.

I love him.

I was screaming.

I had a full, when I thought they, that he was leaving before they got in there in the G-Wagon and cliffhanger.

Like, I, I,

I posted a video of it.

It's just audio and then like a shot of my TV, but I really was like.

deranged losing.

I was, oh my God.

I mean, even me, like, I'm a, I'm a hypocrite because it's just like, I'm criticizing all of us for like not giving a fuck about like, I guess being like, yeah, it's gonna, Clark and Taylor should go home.

Cause when it was was down to Nick and a land, Nicolandrea, I was like, no, I'm not ready for them to leave.

Like, I don't know.

I was like, not yet.

I don't know why, because like, I'm generally like, I'm not, I'm not like Team Nicolandria.

I don't really believe it's sincerity.

I think they're great friends.

I think there's a lot of mutual respect.

I like, I like them both as individuals, but I'm just not, who knows?

Could be wrong.

Well, also, they haven't like they had that steamy soul ties kiss.

Then now they're like, they've chosen each other as a couple.

Why aren't they making out?

I would like to watch.

Especially now,

there's a drastic,

there's a drastic shift to past episode.

And it's really given like back in like Bachelor in Paradise early days where like,

you know, everyone's, again, it's like a smorgasbord at first.

There's a lot of swapping, a lot of love triangles.

And then like.

On Bachelor in Paradise, they would actually have Chris Harrison come in and all of a sudden like, now it's time to get serious.

And like, now it's time to really ask yourselves, can you see a future with this person and blah, blah, blah.

And everyone just goes from like, just kind of casually dating to be like playing house and like acting like they're an engaged couple and it's really giving it this cast the past couple episodes while we didn't get to see it that like the show was like all right guys it's time like because everyone's just like

we're in love everyone is this like coupled up it's all about the relationships like you know the whole baby challenge it's really it's really giving that do you guys think that nick should have left when sierra left no okay so actually zach from the cast just posted a live and he said something interesting about like a little BTS of what they were told.

He said that when Sierra left, the producers kind of like gathered them all together and said, unfortunately, Sierra has broken some of the policies of our guidelines.

She'll no longer be here in the villa.

And that's the only information we can give you guys.

And he said, like, if you need to speak to somebody, speak to them, whatever.

And then he said that, like, Nick took it pretty hard.

But then Zach kind of said, at the end of the day, as much as you want to feel sorry for somebody, if you know they got removed from a show for saying something offensive, you can't really feel sorry for them until you know what it is.

Yeah, it makes sense.

Yeah, did you guys really believe that Nick was that into the Sierra in the first place?

No, it is his demeanor is so different around Elandria.

Like, I do believe he was into Sierra, but like,

I remember at some point being like, I wish we were seeing more of them as a couple because I feel like they're cool together.

But every time we did their conversations, we're like, I was obsessed with hippos.

Have you ever like

one or the other?

Like, and he just, he seemed bored.

Because they hooked up.

Just at least compared to now.

Compared to now, I mean, he is like, he just seems so.

Now he's ready to have deep conversations, you know?

He wants to talk childhood trauma.

But that's what I'm saying, though.

And like, not to take

anything away from the Nicolandria stance.

I think it's more about the fact that like Sierra Nick hooked up and then Nick immediately turned into the guy who is just like, I don't know, do I like her?

I'm not sure, you know, like, I don't know, she's cool and whatever.

And so every conversation he's having with Sierra, he's trying to keep it surface level.

He, you know, he's playing the whole like, well, I don't want her to like accuse me of leading her on.

And like, you know, when the guy starts just like him becoming more and more distant and with Alandria, like it's his girl.

There's no pressure.

He's like, you know,

he's like, I don't care.

Let's, let's go deep.

I'm not worried, you know, because Alandria is like, so like, do we get an apartment right away when we get out of the villa?

Like, am I, I'm, am I moving?

Are you, yeah, are you moving?

And he's just like, totally.

Yeah.

It's just like, so like, what's your favorite animal?

Like, you know, like, he's like, I want to visit out.

This, I think he's been to like 40-something countries or something.

He's like, I really want to go visit Alabama.

Yeah.

You hate Alabama.

Is that where she even lived?

He also talks about wanting to adopt kids.

Yeah.

Which he did.

He told with the mamasita.

He was a sperm donor for his his children.

Guys, do you remember?

Right?

Yeah.

Do you remember the baby challenge?

And Nick goes to first question to Andrea.

So do you think you could be a single mother?

The fuck?

Like what?

Yeah, that was wild.

I think he meant that as in, I've thought about being a single mother.

Where are you going, Nick?

Like, are you.

He's like, I know we just had these babies, but do you see yourself being a single mom?

Do you think you see him?

Christina, stick up for your man.

Stick up for your man, Christina.

Such good TV.

He's awesome.

That was such good TV.

I loved the baby challenge.

I thought it was so funny.

I thought it was hilarious.

I could just not have loved anything more.

Like, I'm really, I'm obsessed with it.

I just love it.

Did you guys feel about like the Huda and Chris?

It was really, the whole challenge I felt was really endearing.

It was like, you know, very sweet to see all of them like.

you know kind of take it serious and all the men like kind of wearing the babies and whatever that was cute someone definitely needed to tell huda that that baby was fake because her getting so pissed off at Chris for like,

you're ripping the shirt off of her head.

I don't like that color.

Chris and Huda are like, he went to set her down on the bench and she's like, she can't hold her head up.

She's like holding the

I was just sitting with her over here.

You can tell he was like totally emasculated in that moment and like something like in the whole like shut up.

Yeah.

I'm curious what y'all think about Tuesday night's episode because

Huda did that thing that she does where she has a conversation.

And then when she tells somebody else about the conversation, it is the opposite of what the conversation was.

Like, remember when she had the date, the water slide date with Jeremiah, and they're talking about moving in together.

And he's like, well,

and then she comes back to the villa and is like, yeah, he says he wants to like live together.

And they're like, really?

And so last night or on Tuesday night, she's talking to Chris and she goes, are you tired?

And he says, no,

I'm just mellow.

And she's like, what's wrong?

What's wrong?

I'm just mellow.

I'm just mellow.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like, even if him saying I'm just mellow is clearly like a lie.

He like does not want to be with this person.

But she goes back.

to the girls in the makeup room and is like, he is exhausted.

Oh my God.

He said he was so tired.

That challenge wore him out.

He's so tired.

I'm like,

he literally said no when you asked him if he was tired.

I mean, he was clearly upset about like the whole kissing thing and then the whole challenge.

She was kind of like on his ass about it.

What is y'all's take on her like not wanting to show any affection in front of the islanders?

But as soon as the lights go off, she's like, I gotta control my feelings.

Can you say that?

When you clapped your ass on your head,

when you reverse cowgirled on Ace,

you literally, you sat on ace's face like three days ago.

She ate your ass off.

Like, what are you talking about, respectfully?

Like, what?

What?

It just doesn't make sense.

Sorry.

Like, it just, she's just coming up with stuff.

Like, she.

No, that is so weird.

I don't understand it, especially because she was like all over Jeremiah.

Exactly.

Well, she's the only reason that's why maybe she suffers from short-term memory loss.

Like, you know, it's just one, it's like memento.

You know, it's just like, today's a new day.

I, whatever.

But, like, generally, yeah, you know, like, cause Huda generally, they can tell, like, women we've talked to, a lot of they, she's, she's one of the nicer ones, like, without, you know, people we've interviewed.

I didn't see my cell phone watching,

but like, yeah, like, it's like, all of a sudden, Huda just like gets like locked in and will be like, what is she?

Like, when she's like, if I were ugly, would it be different?

Excuse me?

Yeah.

What is

And honestly, Chris is like such a good, kind,

mature man.

The way he's able to handle her.

Chris just wants to go to Space Jam.

He does.

He wants to play in 2K.

I would be pissed, though.

If I was him, I'd be pissed.

I'd be like, why the hell aren't you kissing me in public?

Like, that's so weird.

And it makes sense.

Him being like, I feel like she's embarrassed of me.

Like, I don't really understand.

It's like, yeah, as soon as the lights go off and him being like, you want to have sex with me like as soon as the lights it's not even like oh when the lights go off you want to just like hold hands and kiss a couple times it's like you're going from zero to a hundred as soon as lights go off and it's not it's like people are four feet away from you like trying to sleep I don't think it's that deep for Huda I think it's like this subconscious like I think she lacks control in a lot of aspects of her life.

And like, this is one of the things she does.

Like we've, we all done it in relationships where you just like, you test that person and you see.

And like, instead of just like communicating, it's like what's frustrating about Nick and Huda is like they actually like they do try to communicate how they feel right they they will talk about Nick and Nick and Huda I'm sorry

Chris and Huda's name

like they do try to communicate their feelings and frustrations but instead of just like talking about them and like you know I just they're just like don't tell me to shut up you know like every they're like now they're at like well if you're gonna set a bound like they're just matching each other's energy you know so like you know huda comes at chris and now it's like his response is more about like i gotta stand up for myself i can't let someone speak to me this way and it's just like it's more and more like jesus then also when they had that chat like after the weird like random basketball game and they all came back and he was like okay i'm finally ready to like talk to huda and he sits her down and he like is trying to explain like where he's coming from and then she's like He's like, oh, I'll kiss you right now or something.

And she's like, I'm going to throw up.

Oh my God.

I'm going to throw up.

I'm like, this poor guy.

Yeah, that was like, what the hell?

That was, she's like, I'm going to throw up.

I'm like, this poor guy just is trying to be so sweet and nurturing to you and you will not allow it.

I'm curious if any of you guys think that his like,

I just was dreaming of playing basketball last year.

I don't know.

Like, if that was

if that, if that was like a, hey, just a

like, we're not actually going to date.

So there's like a couple theories.

When she's like planning their future, she's like, I see you, you you know, outside of this.

And every chance he gets, he's like, I'm going to play ball overseas.

No, like, I'm getting the blood out of here.

I'm gone six to nine months.

He's literally like, I'm gone every day of the year.

I can't.

He likes throws in the long distance thing any chance he could get.

He's like, long distance, long distance, long distance.

One of the comments I got was like, soft launching unemployment is wild or something like that.

Like he's trying to be like, hey, I'm available to play.

Like, if that was his.

Hey, you know what?

In the unemployment line we're

all okay

honestly like checklistlakia would like their basketball team would do numbers if someone from love island was on it honestly

whether he's good or not he might get another yeah this uh this is a great marketing in a little stunt cast even if he you know i was were you all as bummed as as nally and i were when like I didn't need the bro chat to let them like, you know, prove there's no toxic masculinity in this group.

I wanted the girls to like show up in the bleachers and kind of a little bit toxic, like either get the ick from their man or like, can I get turned on that Pepe's just like shooting J's?

Like, I wanted, I wanted that, and I, I didn't need what we got.

Yeah, last night was the first time I was like, hold on, we've been watching for five minutes.

How are we 30 minutes in?

What do you mean we're halfway through this episode?

It just was like, it just felt like

nothing.

What was that?

Why are we?

I just, I started playing basketball by Bow Well, like in the back room on my

phone, all the women to just like be sitting back.

It's like we didn't want to give them any like activity.

I don't give them a spa.

They did that last year.

Yeah, they did that last year.

They do it on UK all the time, too.

It's like the girls will get something at the villa, like a spa or, you know, something else.

I will say Taylor asking Clark to be exclusive.

That was cute.

Like all of the guys doing the cheer.

That was so cute.

You knew they were going home then.

It was very much giving like bachelor, like, I'm falling in love with you.

And it's like, all right, well, I guess I realized I definitely can't fall in love with you now because now hearing you say that is like definitely make it's cleared, you know, now I was confused before, now I'm not confused.

You gotta go.

My thing is, like, instead of them playing basketball, I would have loved to watch them trying to practice that thing.

That was so cute.

It was so funny.

Like,

let us see them like goofing around and like falling over.

And they're like, How do I make our shape?

Or just something.

Yeah.

I agree because like when they came out and they actually performed it, they nailed that.

And I'm like, whoa, how long did they practice it?

They did not miss a beat.

They were on pressure.

The boys should have been the cheerleaders doing that routine and the girls should have been playing basketball.

That's what I wanted to see.

Did you, there was a like split second in the back, like where some

after the cheers, somebody like, they were carrying Taylor in the air and like he was like horizontal, like being carried.

Like I just, I would have much rather seen more of that, but it's like, I don't know, I don't think we can spell exclusive.

So maybe we just spell Clark.

Nick's like C-L-A-R-K.

It's like, you don't know how to spell her name.

Let's just knock on the E because there's not enough of a that's all right.

You didn't know that Sierra spelled her name with the C until after they hooked up.

That's true.

Yeah, that's true.

But you know what?

He knows how to spell Andrea.

It's like how Nick spelled Amaya's name with a J instead of a Y.

It's like, I mean, I guess.

Wait, what?

That's because everyone's babe to Nick.

No.

Zach did that.

Not Nick.

You guys,

I'm not bringing my...

Christina's defending her boyfriend.

I just liked when they were like, how are we going to make an R?

And I'm like, because

I was sitting on my couch and I'm like, how are they going to make an R?

I wasn't thinking they were doing it with their arms.

I was like, Oh, this is a full body, yeah, like legs are L, arms are the top of the L, is what I was.

But you also could have just like, but

like a lowercase might have been easier, cute, yeah, it was cute.

I wasn't there, I couldn't have helped.

Not them making sure that Alandrea was like the center shot,

like

literally, as if she was presiding over their wedding.

I know

that was so shady when Clark was packing, like she's sitting sitting on the floor with her suitcase helping her.

Alandra's checking herself out in the mirror.

Literally, she's like fixing her cleave-ins.

Yeah, she really knew it.

She's just like,

Yeah.

Also, but Alandra is an Auburn fan, which shout out to Auburn.

That was like a cool moment.

That's good.

That was an underdog.

That was a cool moment.

Nick tried to talk football with her, and she was like, anyways, we'll circle back.

I feel like it's getting better now that Ace isn't.

You can tell that they were like, okay, Ace, you need to take a seat back.

You needed a piece of humble.

Like, stop trying to control the whole villa.

Yeah, it's fun.

Like four days before it's over.

Like, yeah.

I feel like I'm just starting to like really, we're getting into it.

And, but at the same time, you know, that's just because it went by fast.

Like I was watching every night.

And like you said earlier, Nick, like if this was not hard for me to keep up with like, no, me neither.

I'm ready.

I'm ready every night.

When we got people say, saying, bite them,

Yeah.

Eat that kitty.

Eat that kitty in the hide away.

Eat that kitty off.

I got to shave my ass.

I have to shave my ass.

Craft kitty in the hide away.

She went on her journey twice.

Twice.

Bite them, baby, was crazy.

That was so good.

It was awesome.

I'm over here nursing and I'm like,

you know,

it sounded like she said, I like like that, baby, but that was like a love island self-imposed.

That was like a caption they decided to put.

Yeah, in case it wasn't clear, there's what they said.

Subtitles.

Yeah.

And also, who's ever writing those subtitles, they got to get better.

Do you think there's any way when Chris was like, hey, we basically had sex and he said, I folded?

Yeah.

Did it almost sound like he said the F word and they just dubbed in folded or am I crazy?

I think you had to replay that

three times.

I'm like, really here?

Yes.

Because I didn't think he said folded.

I was just like, what did he say?

What were they saying?

Yeah.

But like, Brian knew exactly what Chris meant when he said, I folded.

And I'm not sure why.

I wouldn't immediately be like, oh, you guys had sex.

Maybe, maybe in those days.

I don't know.

That's, I,

I, that's what I like immediately understood that he was alluding to.

We don't want to start.

But I don't.

No, sorry.

Well, speaking, speaking of audio conspiracies, y'all had to have seen it.

There, it's like, you can hear Sierra screaming, don't do this.

And I'm like, okay, no.

First of all, there's no, you, you actually don't know who it is.

You don't know where they have no idea from.

Yeah.

Like, and you're trying to make out, it just sounds like a Maya being like, yeah, like, who know?

Who, what are you talking about?

People are like, there's proof.

There's proof.

They act like she's like being drugged by her feet, being like, don't do that

it's a 27 minutes and 30 seconds like no okay you can hear it i'm like you can people are like you can hear it go listen i'm like i have i can't hear it

i mean listen this always happens when a show is number one but the the breaking down screenshots and insert you know it's just like it is a tv show yes it's edited yes we lose context sometimes yeah but like it's they're not yeah do you guys and this is kind of like a serious question but I have been dying to ask you guys this.

Do you think that it's a reality show

and that they should actually play the reality of that show and that they should have shown, how did they find out what exactly happened in the villa?

How were people reacting?

What was Nick's reaction?

Like, do you guys think like, hello, we're watching a reality TV show?

Like, show the reality of what's happening.

Like, they don't have to, they don't have to break down, but like, show, like it was like nothing happened sierra is gone i don't think they would because production is the one who like told the islanders and then it would be like they would be opening up themselves for people to be like you didn't handle that right you didn't tell them the truth you didn't say this you said that that's not what happened and so i think they would be like protecting themselves by not showing what they tell also i think that just makes it a different show that's more like the truman show when you just have like a live stream and they you see everything like we know it's edited.

So it's just like not the show.

And I just think this, the audience is so toxic.

It's just like, I, I think they do have to try to protect these people in ways that like, I don't think just

to go offline and come back with, you know, fans and haters and people like, you know, they're, there, there are fans trying to get, you know, Nick have his nursing license taken away because they're just not a fan.

People are trying to call CPS on hood up.

No, it's crazy.

It's crazy, right?

And just like, you know, it's a younger audience.

So you, you know, like, you know, with younger audiences, there's a little bit more, you know, reactiveness online and things like that.

So I just think, yeah, I think it would be tough to do, especially if you're not doing it, you know, especially if the audio if the cast doesn't, you know, didn't sign up for that.

Like you, you can't just pick and choose like, where it's just like, well, now we're going to be.

righteous and show you everything.

Because, you know, on their off day, they like go to a hotel, you know, like on Saturdays, they go to, I'm pretty sure it's Saturday because it's like the only day they don't.

They like get to go to the beach.

Yeah, they like are off.

They're like not mi'd.

They're like off days.

So it's like, if we're not allowed to talk about the show or anything, though.

There's like crew members like with them when they're de-miked being like,

don't say it.

Don't talk about that.

Oh, they do that on, they do that on housewives too.

Like if there's something going on and we're not filming, but we're all in, like, it's like, don't, don't, don't.

Save it, save it.

You know, like, don't talk to the the judge.

But also with various topics, right?

Like, depending on if, if you bring it up, then you got to talk about it.

And if you talk about it, then the entire internet is critiquing everything they're saying.

You know, and again, these people have been offline, away from their families, away from their support system, truly, like, don't, don't know what day it is, don't know what time of day it is.

Like, that's just like, they're truly being, you know, tested.

in an unfamiliar environment.

They signed up for it.

They agreed to it.

They consented to it, but it's still like like a crazy environment.

And I do think this cast needs to be protected in that level and to make that a center of conversation and then have the entire internet nitpick and critique, you know, what they meant when, again, so much can be taken out of context because they don't have the time to show everyone's three-minute feelings on whatever topic they want to discuss.

And I think with that, they, you know, like cast deserves a level of protection.

I think also in like knowing that there's going to be

people who watch past seasons like in the future, like if, if you're not participating live in this moment, and let's say like somebody just decides to go and binge Love Island, like they don't know.

So if they, if they knew, if they were like point, you know, pointing out the specific reasons of what somebody did wrong to leave the villa, then that could like restart the whole thing over again.

Like if you're not participating with the, when it's like a movement, then I can see why they wouldn't want to like re bring it up in future.

I don't know.

I mean, I don't know.

It's interesting just because the, this whole like, you know, should they show the reality versus should they, well, I was going to compare it to the valley, but it's completely different.

Like, I mean,

just like with the method of thinking of like, well, this is what's real and this is what we're showing.

Like, I, yeah, yeah.

That's a separate, that's like a separate rant that I'm sure we could go on.

And Nick, I know you hate Jacks as much as I do.

But it is, it is totally different.

I mean, the, the, they're like the love island.

I mean, the fact that they don't even tell them the time of day, like that is psychologically like crazy.

Yeah.

It's uh, yeah.

So I just, I think we have to try to like have that perspective.

And yeah, anyways.

I have to say, poor Hannah, she's this whole time while he was with Pepe was with Grayson.

She was like, oh my God, he's obsessed with me.

He still loves me.

Like, he's coming back for me.

And then he gets coupled up with Iris.

But she's back.

She's back with Charlie now, or she's able to be.

It takes a good six months for the dust to settle with these shows and people to start moving how they would move without

like feeling like what they think the audience thinks they should do.

Yep.

Yep.

Exactly.

TJ post, there was like a TikTok or something he posted that was like, damn, I can't even go to Target anymore.

And it was like, there was like some sign in the background that said Pepe.

just like

just unrelated to Love Island.

It was like some auto thing.

And he was like, damn.

This has been a ton of fun, ladies.

We got to let you go, but let's do it again with both of you.

So much fun.

Christina, can you let my audience know where they can follow you?

Yes.

So I'm Christina Coca.

That's how you say it.

C-O-C-C-A.

So my Instagram is.

Coca-Makoca.

It's my last name twice with Ma in the middle.

And TikTok's Coca Coca.

Great.

And Monica, I feel like people don't need to know where to find you, but just in case.

Yeah, it's just Monica Nikki Garcia on Instagram.

Well, I appreciate you ladies for joining us.

Up next, TJ and Jaden join us together to answer all your burning questions about what is going down in Davilla.

How does TJ feel about Iris moving on so quickly?

And then just their general thoughts about their experience and the rest of their cast.

That is up next.

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Thanks for taking the time.

Thank you for having us.

So I'm just out of curiosity, where you guys are backstateside.

TJ, where are you calling from?

I don't need your exact location.

Like the people are crazy out there.

I'm currently in New York with my family, and then I'm headed to LA tomorrow.

How about you, Jaden?

I'm in Seattle right now, also heading to L.A.

tomorrow.

All right.

Well, it's obviously been a crazy run for both of you.

So much to get into, but like, just how are you guys feeling, you know, just kind of mentally, physically?

obviously it's such a whirlwind to get out of this show and obviously i'm always reminded that fan is show it for fanatics the fans are definitely fanatic about you guys in this show um i don't know if you guys fully were prepared for what it's like to come out of the villa but like how are you guys doing mentally you know emotionally what's it like I'm I'm honestly all right.

I'm super overwhelmed, but I think coming out of the villa, I thought that there was going to be a lot of hate towards me.

And it was kind of the opposite.

And I'm still getting a lot of love so just super grateful to be honest.

It's definitely been super overwhelming, but in a good way and I feel like I'm just really grateful to see all of the positive feedback that I've got

and that makes me really happy.

But I feel like my time was kind of short and sweet.

So I did not expect after the villa to be this

intense or overwhelming.

What's been the most intense part?

Maybe just the social media presence.

I was not good at social media before this at all.

I wasn't very good at social media, so I feel a little bit more pressure to try and be.

Well, if I can give you any advice, both of you, I mean, the internet is the matrix.

It's like, it's not real.

You should post and dash.

Like, just...

Don't don't sit on.

Don't sit on it.

Who gives a fuck what people say?

Just keep them talking.

I will say it was a great song choice you chose for your photo dump, TJ.

Oh, Jesus.

What do you photo dump your music?

You say Diaris by Goo-Goo Dolls.

Well, the magic wild.

Well, speaking of that,

TJ, I am curious what your thoughts are because obviously America really enjoyed watching you and Iris form this connection.

It really seemed like, you know, this season, like having a connection was the kiss of death.

It's like, oh, I think I'm feeling feelings.

And then boom, you get assassinated.

I think we were all a little surprised to to see, you know, Iris was devastated.

She was crying.

She seemed really heartbroken.

She was like, I don't know.

I'm going to move on.

I just, maybe I should just, oh, Pepe, any, like, are you of the mindset that it's like, hey, listen, it's the show.

It is what it is.

Or are you a little, you know, obviously, I, I know you have a, a, a ton of respect for Iris, but are you, are you a little caught off guard by how, how fast she seems to be forming this connection with Pepe?

Yeah, uh, definitely.

You know, I want to act all cool and like it's not affecting me at all, but I would be lying if I was acting that way.

I think watching the episode last night definitely like broke my heart.

And,

you know, it was real for me.

And,

you know, I didn't care about the prize money or anything.

She was the prize for me.

And,

you know, it sucks seeing them too.

It was like two of my best friends.

So it was like a double whammy.

But I see the other side as, you know, it's both of their experience.

And I didn't want her to leave with me.

And, you know, I'm glad she found someone that makes her happy.

And that's all I could ask for.

And I just hope it's genuine.

And, but yeah, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't.

Yeah, it's got to be for me.

It's got to be tough.

You know, I'm sure you try to put yourself in her shoes.

Like, what would you do if the roles were reversed?

Yeah, it's definitely a tough situation.

So,

you know, nothing against them whatsoever.

Like, it is a super tough situation.

They're locked in this place, no contact to the outside world.

Whether it's Pepe or another person, they're right in front of them.

I'm no longer connected with her whatsoever.

So I think it's just, you know, Love Island's built for that.

And I can't hate on it.

I believe everything happens for a reason.

And, you know, if she's happy, I'm happy and I support her.

Yeah, because it seemed like you and Pepe kind of had a nice heart-to-heart, like right before the whole voting off.

And Pepe spoke to your and Iris's connection, like, you guys have something real.

And then he didn't vote to keep you and then kind of

swooped in.

Yeah, I

think his vote surprised me the most.

I mean, I don't know if you guys saw my reaction when he walked by me, but I was super happy that he was walking up to me.

And then he said, I'm sorry.

And my head kind of just dropped.

And that was shocking because he was like, you know, my older brother in there.

And, you know, I don't, I have two younger brothers.

I don't have an older brother.

And he was just like my guy.

So it sucks, but I also understand like he's in there for himself.

And I just hope like at that time in his head he thought voting for taylor was the right decision and that's at the end of the day that's all did he say did he did you get any context or say why after the vote i know you had a quick 30 minutes to say all your goodbyes but do you did you get any insight into why he made that call for taylor not exactly like you know everyone's uh super upset when someone leaves and it's always just like you know i'm so sorry like you know i didn't want it to be this way it's a tough choice and you kind of have to be okay with that you know half of me wants to be like why the hell did you vote for for him?

But, you know, the other half is like, I completely understand because it was tough for, you know, Jaden, Austin, Andrena, Grayson, and, you know, the rest of us leaving.

So,

you know, I didn't get a complete answer, but, you know, what do you mean?

Jaden, you being obviously the most recent person to enter the villa via Casa Amor.

Had you been in Fiji the whole time or had you just recently gone for Casa?

No, I that was actually my second time going to Fiji.

I went in the beginning and then I went home and then I came back for Costa.

So,

yeah, back and forth.

Well, it's a lot of flying.

Get those miles.

Wow.

Why?

What happened the first go-around?

I don't know.

I think I was really nervous about going on the show in general.

I feel like the whole experience is super out of my comfort zone.

So

I feel like it was the best decision to bring me in with a group of girls.

I feel like I wouldn't have had it any other way now that that's how it happened.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Did you obviously like watch the show as it's airing?

I think I've been told that like you're supposed to.

So that way you kind of know who you want to go in there for.

Is that right?

I think some people have kind of been under the impression that maybe the newer bombshells or people from CASA like kind of came in and was like, hey, this is what America's thinking.

Cause it feel, you know, like Amaya Papaya, like that's something that us as America called her.

And then they started calling her that in the villa.

Like, Nicolandria is what we referred to them as.

And then, like, they started referring to themselves as.

So it's like, is that kind of something that when y'all go in, you're like, oh, my God, we have to tell y'all like what's been going viral?

Who's the most loved?

Is any of that told?

No.

We,

no.

I mean, we have a mic on 24 hours a day, basically.

So, no, we're not supposed to talk about anything that's going on on the outside to anybody on the outside.

Okay.

Jaden, can we go back to when Casa was still going on when you initially paired up with Austin, which was a big moment at the time when we all thought Nick was getting sent home, or I don't know if anyone really believed it, but for a moment, it seemed like Nick was going home.

And a lot of the fans clocked what seemed to be when they got up and to kind of comfort Nick that Ace kind of looked at you and kind of gave you the

what the fuck was that did did did that happen and did you notice ace making you try to feel a certain way and were any of your tears in that moment of feeling bad have anything to do with ace you know in that very moment i was so overwhelmed and crying i did not notice him make that comment in that moment but i did definitely feel some

type of maybe animosity or just

he was, he was definitely upset and I felt like it was directed at me.

He did not say anything specifically to me that was negative.

And we did have a conversation after the fact before going to sleep that night.

And he did come to me and apologize.

So I do feel like those negative feelings were real or I don't know why he was apologizing.

I mean, the apology at least seems sincere because, I mean, it makes sense.

I mean, Nick's his boy, and he was sad to see him go.

And,

you know,

he has the right to feel a certain way about it.

And if you felt like he came at you a little strong, I'm glad he at least apologized.

I agree.

It did feel sincere.

It made me feel a lot better.

TJ, we had Vanna on.

She seemed a little bummed that her

response to you picking Iris wasn't aired.

I guess she maybe had some opinions of y'all's time together.

Did any of that that she said hurt your feelings?

It didn't hurt my feelings.

I felt like we kind of knew that.

We both knew that.

I think that initially when I first spoke to her, everything was all good.

We hit it off.

And then just like as the days went on, we just didn't really get along at all.

We were just two different people.

And,

you know, by the last conversation we had before that night, I think it was that day, um, we just both knew that this probably wasn't going anywhere.

And I didn't specifically say, like, I'm going to choose Iris at the recoupling if she walks up to me, but you know, I feel like she probably guessed that.

And I think that last conversation with her really put into my mind like where I was at with who I wanted to be with.

Um, but yeah, we were just two.

I think she said you don't like to laugh,

yeah.

You know,

I think it was just, um,

you know, virus being away.

I was defending you.

I was like, well, if you're not funny, you know, fuck me.

No, but I mean, she, she's great.

We just had different senses of humor.

And

I'm pretty serious when it comes to like, I guess, emotions and like relationships.

And she was like kind of joking around and stuff.

And,

you know, again, we're just two different people, but

she's great.

And I'm happy that, you know, we spent some time together, but it just didn't end up working out.

Jaden,

you got sent home, which sucked, but it seemed like at the time, you know, you and Austin left the villa holding hands.

And I, you know, watching you two, I see why you guys got together.

You seem both kind of like you have these goofy personalities and senses of humor.

Neither of you seem like you guys take, you know, I mean, this is a compliment, life like too seriously.

And I saw the chemistry between the two of you.

But obviously, like

being in that world is such a mind fuck and like it doesn't even seem like reality.

And like once you can get on the plane and go home, a lot can change.

From your perspective, is you in Austin a thing?

Are you guys still talking or is it kind of like, you know, I don't know?

I would say it's still a thing.

We're still talking.

We had such a good time in the villa.

I don't think we wanted to stop now, but we do live on like completely opposite ends of the country.

We couldn't be further apart.

So

I think time will tell.

I will see him this week and we're excited to get together then.

What was it about that relationship that excited you the most?

I feel like it was so easy.

Like from our first conversation, it feels like I had known him for a very long time and

we

were always upset we couldn't keep talking.

at the end of the day.

Like we just wanted to, we just couldn't get enough of each other.

so I feel like it was it was just really easy and a good time CJ I'm curious back to you and Iris

I'm curious like your mindset right because this is your first time doing this experience you don't know what to expect no none of you know what to you know you don't know what you signed up for so to speak but from your perspective are you gonna be like watching how things unfold or or is it just more like are you willing to uh pursue something with Iris regardless of what you see unfold, short of Iris and Pepe being like, we're in love, which I, you know, and there's not much of the show left.

I don't know how much more connected they could be to each other than you two were.

Like, what is your mindset?

Are you kind of, have you been turned off by the possibility of something with Iris altogether?

So, again, it definitely hurts,

but I have to remind myself, like, not everything is shown.

And, you know, things may look a certain way or portray a certain way.

So that's always in the back of my mind.

I think the best thing

when she comes out is just for me and her, me and her to have a conversation and just like get the straight up facts and then make my decision then.

But I would be lying if, you know, I said that didn't, you know, turn me off or like make me not want to pursue things with her.

It's definitely a tough

position, like watching that.

But, you know, at the end of the day, not everything is shown.

And I'm just trying to look at everything in the positive.

And

that makes a and you seem like you have a good outlook on it.

I am curious if it's not too much or not too hurtful for you, but I am curious, like you guys seem to make a strong connection, but from your perspective, forgetting about her and Pepe for

now, like what were some of the conversations that you guys had, regardless if we got to see it or didn't get to see it, that really made you feel like there was some real potential with Iris?

Yeah, I feel like

from the day I met her, I told her, like, I love the way that she carries herself, how mature she is, the advice she gives to other girls in the villa, and that she was super unproblematic.

And I'm like the same way.

I hate drama.

I hate all that shit.

And we just connected on a vibe that like, I didn't connect with anybody else, even like some of the guys.

Like,

I know a lot wasn't shown.

I didn't watch every episode, but we would be just chilling all day.

We would like.

fucking throw grapes in each other's mouth from across the villa.

It was just like, we would have fun together.

And it was like the cameras weren't there.

And I was just super comfortable, comfortable with her.

But, you know, it was real to me.

And hopefully, it was super genuine to her as well.

And that's all I could, you know, really ask for.

But she's a great person all around.

And I never really felt that way with someone.

Obviously, like the situation that we were in, stranded, like just with these people had to do with that.

But I think I would have felt the same way on the outside.

Jaden, obviously, Grayson is your girl.

What was your reaction to finding out that Hoda wrote the note about Pepe that got her so upset?

Oh my goodness.

I was so sad to hear that because I feel like Huda and I had a really good relationship.

So when we were told that on Aftersun, I was honestly shocked.

She didn't seem too shocked, but I do know Huda and like, I feel like she

probably, you know, it looked as though she regretted it.

And I'm sure she did.

And I feel like when that was read aloud, I think she regretted it in that moment.

And that's why she didn't speak up.

I think she was embarrassed.

And if she could go back, I don't think she would.

So much has been like the phrase girl's girl has really peaked this season of Love Island.

And it's certainly not the first time we've heard it.

It's, it seems to be an overused term.

I am curious, Jaden, like, what, what do you think of that saying?

And what do you think that means to you?

And

do you feel like...

especially in the villa, that is something that the women there sincerely something they believe in?

Or is it more like this kind of performative thing that you say just like, hey, just, you know, I'm a girl's girl, you know, not even thinking about what that means or like what actions would represent being a girls girl?

Honestly, before going on the show, I feel like girls who typically say they're a girls girl, most of the time I feel like it's more odd and maybe you're not because otherwise, why do you need to say it?

Like, I definitely think a girl's girl is just having loyalty with your friends, with your girls, and being communicative with them and letting them know how you feel all the time and just being super transparent.

I feel like that's the most important part.

But yeah, I think most of the girls in there are girls' girls.

Like, I do think that we all do our best to be respectful of each other's relationships, but I do think that term sometimes is used maybe a little too loosely.

Do you feel like Sierra choosing Taylor over

Iris

kind of made that girl's girl a little less possible for Sierra?

I mean, they were very close, Iris and Sierra.

Yeah, it was like her dream, like, what, rupee or something?

Yeah, I think we were all surprised when she stood behind Taylor.

As were we, and I was curious.

I, I, I mean, I didn't know how many people were standing behind each of us.

Was she like the tiebreaker?

I don't know.

If she would have gone with uh, Audrina, she could have saved Audrina.

I don't, at that point, she couldn't have saved saved TJ.

Sorry, TJ.

That would have felt good.

I'm curious.

This question for both of you.

And as someone who knows what it's like to be in the world, like I wasn't on Love Island years ago, I was a part of the Bachelor franchise, but similar in the sense that you guys are isolated from the world.

You're thrown into what is essentially a very carefully crafted social experiment.

And, you know, I'm trying to explain to the audience often like what it's like to be in that atmosphere.

So for one, like to just give all of you a little bit of grace, because it's terrifying, right?

And why it's very much like everyone resorts to like high school behavior and things like that.

And I don't even mean this in a bad way, but I'm curious what you think of this.

Is that like, I often, you know, I feel like a lot of the friendship making early on, I think eventually people start connecting with people and making friendships.

But, like, a lot of the perceived friendships early on are just people trying to like not be alone, right?

Because it's so terrifying to walk in there and not have your emotional support system, not have access to any friends.

You're just by yourself and you just don't want to feel alone.

And do you feel like being a part of the villa and just observing your peers, do you feel like some people faked friendships more than others, even if it was for the reasons of like just not wanting to feel isolated, be alone?

And I feel that that's why like Amaya has really stood out to people or even Austin at times, because I felt like Amaya and Austin were a few of the people who would like truly say what they think, regardless if they thought it was a popular decision.

And I feel like that's very rare in these atmospheres because it is so terrifying to not be part of the group or the majority in these types of shows.

I was just curious what you guys think about all that.

Well, one, I think Austin is a dog.

He is the realest guy I've ever met.

He didn't care if you liked him, didn't like him.

And I have nothing bad to say about him.

He spoke his mind, but I do understand that completely.

I feel like when I came in the first few days, I was super quiet.

Like I didn't want to step on anybody's toes.

I didn't want to say the wrong thing.

And I was just trying to be friends with everyone.

And eventually, like, I got out of that shell, but I, I definitely.

I could see that.

I can't specifically say like if I saw someone doing that or whatnot, but I feel like that's definitely something that I could see from people.

Yeah, I don't know if Jaden, you've seen that, but I would agree with you that when I went in, I think I tried to be friends with everybody.

And then I think through that process, you find people that you're obviously closer to and bond with stronger than others.

And like, I don't know, some of those people were different from what I thought by watching the show before and then meeting everyone in person.

Who was more different from your perception versus your reality?

Well, I told Hannah and I ended up sharing a closet for some time and I was like terrified.

I told Alandria, I was like, oh no, no, I'm in Hudda's closet.

Like I took over her entire space and I was like, and as soon as I met her, I told her, I'm so sorry I'm in your closet.

Like I was scared.

I told her I was scared to be in your all up in your space.

And she was the nicest human ever.

She's so nice.

She gave me 75% of that closet.

And like, I feel like even Amaya was a little nervous about just because of the recoupling with Austin.

And she also speaks her mind.

So I was like, oh no, I hope this isn't going to be a negative encounter.

And it was nothing but positive.

Were there any people who were less sweet than you anticipated?

Honestly, not really.

All the girls are so, so nice.

I think definitely like some

were more welcoming than others, but I feel like all of them were sweet.

I'm just curious, generally, just how you guys see the rest of the season playing out.

I think a lot of fans fans want to know, is Nicolandrea the real deal or are these two people understanding the assignment?

I don't know how I feel to be to be completely honest.

I know that when they were coupled up after getting kicked from Casa, I knew that Nick was super interested in pursuing things.

My whole thing with why I'm a little iffy is because I feel like they tried.

And, you know, they had that kiss and they both said like, all right, like, there's nothing there.

And now they're kind of trying it again.

But I also see that now Sierra is not here.

So maybe that helps to trying to be like more open.

So I'm like a little iffy.

I don't know, but you know, I'm not one to doubt.

It's tough because it was like her,

you know, their reasoning for like not continuing was like, oh, Taylor was in the back of my mind and Sierra was in the back of my mind.

And like, you know, for both of them, it was like Sierra was her girl, Taylor was her connection.

And I mean, a lot of people.

And I personally saw that.

And it's like, it's like kissing my brother.

So now I'm more like, so

like still?

No, I get it.

I can see there being something there, but I also see how it could just be like a little facade.

Just, you know, they tried it, you know, it didn't work, but now they're, you know, Taylor and Sierra are out of the picture.

So, yeah.

I'm curious, both your opinions, both as viewers, you know, watching it before you got on, because you guys were, you know, Casa and bombshells, and then being in the villa.

I think a lot of fans are just a little frustrated with this season and they've called it like friendship island.

Nick and Sierra were the only closed off couple and now obviously that doesn't exist.

Why do you feel like or do you have any read on why there's been a lack of like real meaningful connections like we got to see in season six?

And we have three relationships that are still going strong.

And it just hasn't happened for whatever reason this season.

I'm curious if you guys have any perspective or opinion on that.

I think a lot of this season

has been like splitting the most strong connections up, which is weird a little, but I do like even Huda and Jeremiah, they had some conflict in their relationship, but they were obviously very

strong.

They had a strong, strong couple and that that ended.

And then I feel like Hannah and Pepe had a strong relationship that ended.

Luckily, Austin and I got to leave together, but, and we'll see what happens now.

But same with Iris and TJ.

I feel like so many of the strongest connections have just been dumped.

I mean, even before Hannah and Pepe, we had Hannah and Charlie, and they ripped Charlie away from her.

Exactly.

I don't know why that's been happening this season, but that's my personal opinion.

I feel like why it's kind of become like more a friendship island.

Well, there is one strong connection that I feel like America has been very resistant to accept, and that is Taylor and Clark.

Say what you want, but like they seem like they really like each other.

And Clark seems to have received a lot of, it seems like unfair criticism simply just because she's not Alandria.

And while we love Alandria, I mean, Clark seems like a pretty small person.

I'm just curious, like, what's your read, you know, especially you, Jaden, who you were in CASA with her.

Do you feel like people need to start, you know, chilling out on Clark and opening up to the possibility of seeing her positive qualities.

Absolutely.

I love Clark.

I would say her and I were maybe the close.

That was my closest friend in there.

And from the moment Taylor and Clark had a conversation, like you can just tell there's chemistry from across the villa.

Like they're laughing, kissing, touching, like their smiles never go away when they're together and they are always trying to find each other, even in moments when we're supposed to be a little separated.

Like like they are just inseparable.

And I definitely see that relationship

well beyond the villa.

Like, they have a very, very undeniably strong connection.

Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if the most successful couple from this season is those two.

Yeah, honestly, I would agree.

What is TJ?

I'm just curious, what is your read on?

I think it's kind of died down a little bit, but well, first of all, is Ace 5'10?

You know, I don't have a tape measure, so I can't like put a number on it, but, you know, maybe not.

You know, I don't want to put a number on his head.

How tall are you?

I'm six foot.

Are you 5'11?

No, I'm actually 6'.

I've been getting that a lot, though.

I mean, I find Ace to be very funny, very charming.

He's obviously a very dynamic individual.

But did you feel like he was, he had almost had too much sway and control over like the villa and the people in it?

Or has that been overplayed a little bit?

I definitely can see it i feel like he does have a strong opinion everyone kind of like really hears him out and i think that they always take that into account but at the end of the day everyone has their own decision i feel like throughout my time i kept asking the guys like hey listen like we need a criteria like when we vote people out like why are we voting them out is it because they're not exploring or is it because they don't have a strong connection or is it because they have a strong connection like which one is it and like I personally never got an answer because I was getting to the point, you know, with Iris where it was super strong.

And I'm like, shit, I don't want to get voted out because I'm not exploring, even though I've talked to every girl there.

So it was just,

that was tough because there's never really an answer and it always changes.

And I wish that was like something that everyone could mutually agree on, but it just never was.

But getting back to ASR, I gotta say, no, I make no actually

I appreciate that explanation because like to me, it's saying like that you didn't get an answer because one, maybe they didn't know or they didn't want to commit to anything and had more to do with, you know, saving their friends or a popularity contest and things like that.

Yeah, yeah, I think it gets to a point where it's like, okay, we're coming towards the end of the show, like we need to start establishing strong connection.

It's not always, okay, you haven't explored the last week, like, we're going to kick you out.

Like, I don't really understand that and resonate with that.

So, that's like where my opinion kind of differed.

Um, because I feel like, you know, the rest of the guys, especially Ace, Pepe, they, they were known for saying, Hey, I want to explore until like the very last day, week, you know,

a couple episodes.

So that's kind of like where we differed, but I don't know.

TJ, did you know when you were coming in for your bombshell entrance, did you know that it was going to be with Megan the Stallion?

Or I didn't know at first, but like, you know, right before, obviously they told me I did my like, you know, walkout and stuff

and she was there.

But

yeah, I think that was like one of the craziest bombshell walkouts possible.

So I'm just just super crazy.

You got a story to tell your girl.

Well, I know you guys have to go.

We appreciate your time.

Thank you, TJ and Jaden.

We really enjoyed watching you both.

And good luck the rest of the way.

Stay offline.

Don't read the comments.

Like, honestly, enjoy this shit, man.

It should be a lot of fun, but just like post and dash, man.

Like, don't like, let the fans be fanatic and just none of that shit matters.

Like, this is a crazy.

time.

I hope you guys make the most of it.

So best of luck the rest of the way.

Jaden, I hope you and Austin, you know, good luck, whatever it's supposed to be.

I can't wait to see all of your posts, Jaden.

You have a lot of TikToks you got to catch up on.

You got to get going.

Quick, where can people follow you if they want to follow you guys?

Oh, Jaden, Ashley, D.

I'm a TJ Palma on everything.

All right, guys.

Thanks for your time.

Good luck the rest of the way, and we appreciate you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

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Well, before we catch up on the valley, which just only gets darker, don't people, they're just like, people just keep telling us it's going to like, no way it lightens up.

And then now we have Janet throwing out the word sexual assault, like inciting the definition.

Although, Kristen and Luke got engaged.

Yay, I know.

I feel so bad.

Yeah, that was a ton of being like, just wait until my engagement episode.

Just wait.

It's like so sweet.

I get engaged finally.

And then it felt like it was completely trumped.

Well, that part was really sweet.

It was the next episode where you're supposed to still be basking in her happiness.

Yeah.

But before we do get to the valley, the Golden Bachelor is turning into a hot mess before we even get started.

His ex-wife has recently come forward, or at least she was asked by the Daily Mail in a headline where, like, you know, I guess it was they got divorced.

He was ordered to pay a million dollars, which always sounds like,

you know, a headline will get you because I guess in divorce, that's kind of what happens.

But, you know, it's just like, well, why does he owe her a million dollars?

What did he do wrong?

And also, like, how long ago do they get divorced?

2020.

Okay.

So why in 2025 is she like.

I guess if she was asked how did the divorce go but it's like why true to his word his ex you know his ex-wife is a bit younger than him So it tracks with his most recent controversial statements which personally I have no issue with But it's just like not the show, you know, yeah, yeah

like at all you know what usually this stuff all comes out after the season, I feel like and

I just I feel like if they haven't filmed it yet, why not?

He did it to himself.

He like thought no, he it's like, I don't know if he thought no one was going to listen to this obscure, random football podcast, or if he just was like, I don't care if this is what people hear.

But either way, it's not like someone like dug up a restraining order on him.

You know, it was like, no, so you showed your true colors before we even had to.

Exactly.

I think he just underestimated bachelor nation.

Well, that's the thing is that the internet is going, if we've learned anything in the last couple of months the internet is going to find your shit yeah so in this which is honestly

i saw someone i wish i could remember the creator's name i saw someone on tick tock do like a long breakdown of this and it's honestly so true of like how we as like a society we fall in love with characters we build them up we like stand them we make them ultra famous we give get them all these followers we like make fan edits of them we come obsessed with them.

And then it's like, when we've gotten to the peak of that, then people are like, oh, no.

Well, now we need to tear them down.

So let's go dig for anything we can possibly find and dig and dig and dig and dig until we can find something that like it's giving jealousy.

So they want some sort of control over like their career.

And so it's like of like canceling them, you know, because they're like.

Oh, they got here.

Now

I'm going to be a part of canceling them.

But that's different than what's going on with Mel.

No, I know.

I was just saying, like, in general.

Yeah, no, it's like, I mean, like Love Island.

I mean, we already talked about this, but I mean, it's.

But it's not even just these two shows.

Like, it's literally, it's influencers.

It's random, like

society at large.

It's just what the society has started to do.

And it's like getting really icky.

Yeah, no, totally.

But I just would have thought that like the, when they're casting their next Golden Bachelor, at least pick some guy who like gets along with his ex and not someone who's going to say, and I quote, well, good luck.

I mean, it's going to be bad, but anyway, I don't want to be involved in this.

I'm sure from Mel's perspective, they're on great terms.

I'm sure he was asked, like, how are you, how's your relationship with your exes?

He was probably like, fine, good.

They couldn't make a call.

They couldn't be like, yeah, I'm going to take your word for it.

But like, can we just give her a ring and just be like, what?

If you're going to be the Golden Bachelor and you have an ex-wife and she's still alive, right?

Like they love they love a widow, but like Mel, Mel isn't a widow,

they should have called her.

They could have, should have been like, listen, what do you think of Mel?

Do you, would you support him being the Golden Bachelor?

That's an easy call to make.

No.

Yeah, like for job interviews, you have to list references and they got, they're going to call your.

They may not.

If you're going to get this gig, you know, there's one person in America.

that you're going to cast and they have a living ex-wife, you got to make that call.

A lot of exes are going to hype hype it up though like how many are going to be like yeah like they he can be the bachelor again

i understand that most wouldn't like yeah i get it's hard to find but this is the golden bachelor this is your flagship show like do your homework find the one guy whose ex-wife who's if if you their ex-wife's still alive and they're like you know what couldn't work out but i'm

that's not they don't exist they exist no Do you think he's not being recast because they already cast the women for him and they don't want to hold up production?

Nobody was like, oh, I'm going to sign up for the show because of Mel Owens.

But they also probably now, like, I don't know if they're filming right now, I imagine.

I don't know, but it's like, they definitely, if they didn't hear about the comments, like he said them before they started filming.

So like these women, if I'm these women and I read this about this man that I'm about to go date, and then I like, they're like, nope, sorry, you're stuck with him.

I'm pissed.

Like, I don't want to date you.

I'm pulling out.

I don't like, you know, I'm 64.

You don't want anyone older than 60.

Like, what am I doing here?

Here's another thing.

If they wanted a Golden Bachelor who was open to dating women around his age, they picked a guy whose ex-wife is 46.

Do you think there could ever be a season of The Golden Bachelor like this where it really is just, you watch all the women dunk on him the entire season and it's just about the friends we made along the way?

Yeah, it was called Juan Pablo's season.

Yeah.

They did that once.

It was really popular, you know?

I don't know.

Were they hated on they hated on him?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, it was truly the show turned on him.

He was just an ass to all the women.

It was, and the show was like, fuck it.

Like, they made him their own.

But if you're doing that in the second season of The Golden Bachelor, it's something's horribly wrong.

This is supposed to be nostalgic.

It's supposed to be sweet.

You're supposed to cry wholesome.

You're supposed to like, this is supposed to give people in their golden years hope to find human connections.

And he's honestly like playing into what I feel like is every older woman's insecurity of like, oh, they just want someone younger.

It's like, why would they want to date me?

They'll just go younger.

Like I, I hear that from my mom all the time.

And so it's like, he's literally just feeding into that.

And why have your golden bachelor do that?

Mel, if that's, that's fine if that's what he wants, but why didn't they just pick there's, there are men out there who do want to date women in their age range.

You know, they do exist.

that's the thing about this show is that like the beauty of the golden franchise is how genuine it is and how like wholesome it is and like these people aren't trying to be famous because like yeah i they they they picked a guy with a going through a kind of a messy divorce he's still going through it like well no i'm sorry it was just like just they recently finalized 24 yeah is what you said the end of the day she didn't have to say like eight months ago it's going to be terrible i want nothing to do with it good luck i don't know honestly honestly i'd probably be petty and say that too like even if we had the bestest of relationship i'd probably be like eh yeah do they i don't know you know like i feel like you really want to watch your ex-husband go on and be like the one of the most famous men for six months and he's dating all these women and he's on good morning america and the view and like really you want to watch your ex-husband do all that i just would have picked someone who like where she's moved on it's not about it's not about being not moved on it's about being like i don't know this quote sounds like she has a point of view a reason to say it.

Yeah, I don't think it would exist.

I don't think there's an ex-wife out there that would want their husband to become a national heartthrob.

Well, I don't know.

I think that it really matters about the relationship.

I mean, I feel like it probably goes both ways.

Like, I don't know if there's guys who would be like, oh, hell yeah, let's put my ex-wife up there.

It's less of a hell yeah, and it's more of a before the season even started filming.

They got to her and they already got a juicy quote.

Like, she I think it's just like every ex, we've seen this play out.

Every single ex, whether it was for years or months or weeks, they're always coming out.

They're always saying something.

They're always pissed or bitter or petty.

I'm just more surprised that their golden bachelor has an ex-wife who's 46 years old.

So clearly.

What if he fucked her over?

And she's like...

Either way.

I'm just saying, like, they wanted to pick someone who wanted to date in their age rage.

It's becoming more of like,

did, what did this guy do in the casting process?

Who did he have?

Like, you know, like, why did they pick him?

I've heard he's stiff in the media.

Like, he's not, you know, Gary, for all his flaws, was very charismatic and like played the role well.

Like, I haven't heard this guy.

Has he been doing like press opportunities?

No, but I've heard he's a bit stiff, you know, and then he, the one press he did do, you know, he didn't have the

and no one at Bachelor, no, no one from Bachelor has said anything about this.

Like, they've just not, no one's acknowledged it.

There were rumors that Mel was going to be replaced, but then Jesse Palmer, host of the Bachelor franchise, was asked about it.

And he said, well,

I'm definitely going to have to address these comments with Mel.

So if the host is speaking on that, then that tells me that he's not getting it.

He's not getting it.

Like, he's addressing them during filming.

Because that feels like that's what we want to focus our attention on.

It just feels like a little late in the game to be.

To Nick's point, you have a whole last season of perfect men on Joan's season.

Yeah.

And we chose someone.

Well, we took true, yeah.

But we chose someone that's literally fumbling the ball, like, replace them with the best.

Well, if we were going to pick somebody with an age restriction, like, we could have gone for that other guy, the French dude, who was like...

Pascal.

Yeah, Pascal.

He would have been drama, though.

But he, but the reason that we didn't go for Pascal was because he was like anti-having women over a certain age, remember?

And it's like, if we're gonna, if we're gonna cast someone who has that, like, let it be Pascal.

Maybe Mel has dirt on some of the producers.

I don't know.

What I was thinking, I was like, what does Mel have?

What blackmail does Mel have on him?

He came out of nowhere, so I did think about that.

You know what they always say?

Like, on paper, he's great, but like, on paper, Mel is definitely not great.

Wait, okay, what if Denise Richards, now ex-husband, becomes our next golden bachelor?

Guys, this is so sad.

I know.

It's really giving.

I know.

We we did not get a chance to meet aaron denise always spoke highly of him to us

you should text her and just be like

oh my god what'd you say i said we love you i'm so sorry you're going through this and we're always here for you she gave me a quick heart and i didn't want to pry anymore um it's she filed for divorce he's going after her money he also wants all of his power tools he listed it twice he wants both his cordless and electric tools he's trying to yeah he's claiming that he he spends a hundred thousand dollars a month that and i assume that's him trying to fight for spousal support from denise in the tune of a hundred thousand dollars a month it's so him saying he really wants his tools is the most like performative thing i've ever seen yeah i mean it's like i must have my tools i'm a man and i have manly things i have to know how to use and i don't want to have here's a list of all the tools that i have yeah God Denise Richard is just the sweetest soul.

Also, like no shade, but like they were living in these like townhouses.

How does he need over a hundred grand a month?

Definitely doesn't need it, but

he's sure.

No, that's what I'm saying.

Like, how is he saying that that's what his monthly expenses are when we've seen them living in this townhouse?

He drives just like a truck.

I'm sure he had to itemize it in his,

whatever, his divorce papers.

In fairness, though, I do think Denise in the Wild things just got more interesting.

She never really brought anything to the table.

Have they started filming season two yet?

I don't know.

But if they haven't, if they haven't picked it up yet, I would think now would be the right time.

It's supposed to be lighthearted, though.

So it's like, if you take a divorce route, it's the valley all over again.

But we've also had recently like Sammy getting on TikTok and claiming her sister is,

you know, all of these horrible things.

And it's like, if they're, you know, it seems like that's just their life.

So it's like, what are they filming if not these things?

Denise, if you're out there, just know that we are hugging you and we love you.

And I just like, I have so much love and respect for Denise.

You know, I don't know her that well.

From what I've gotten to know, she has a heart of gold.

She's one of the more down-to-earth reality TV stars.

And she's not even like calling her a reality TV star is selling her short.

She is a, she is a star.

Like she,

and I don't know.

She's just such a sweetheart.

She's an actress.

She deserves happiness.

She's not a reality star.

How dare you?

She's a star.

But who became a reality TV star and has always been gracious and humble in my experience.

And I'm just sad to hear she's going through this.

All right, let's get to the valley.

Well, again, congratulations to Kristen Doty and Luke.

I, you know, I, we love them, friends of ours.

I just love to see, you know, Kristen's story in terms of everything she's gone through over the years, what we've watched on the show.

And now they have their child, you know, that her, they, you know, they're now new parents and we got to finally see their engagement.

Solid engagement.

No, it's the most Kristen thing ever.

Him being like, your ass looks great.

She's like, what?

Stop it.

And he's like, turn around.

She's like, No, hold on.

What the fuck?

That was literally me the day that Danny proposed to me.

He like kept trying to get me to get my nails done and like kept trying to get me to get myself together.

I was just being so annoying about it.

I was like, Why am I going to get my nails done?

Like, and then I went to pick this crazy color.

And he was like, Yeah, maybe you should just get like a light pink.

And I was like, Why?

Why are you being, why do you care so much about the color of my nails?

And then, like, it came time to like do the proposal.

And he's like, We're going to go on a walk.

And I was just like, It's 100 degrees outside.

I don't want to go for a walk.

What are you talking about?

I'm shocked he still went through it.

He's like, You know what?

We'll circle back in a couple months, see if I still want to do this.

He's just like, You know what?

Fine.

We'll wait for winter, I guess.

Yeah, thank God he doesn't believe in signs.

Right.

Yeah.

And then I peed on my dress.

Oh my god.

Girl.

Some details you can leave out.

Out of pure happiness, or no, no, no, no, no.

I like, we, I was like, fine, I'll go on this walk with you.

Let me just go pee.

And then I was wearing a skirt, and it got, you know, and I was like, you know, whatever.

And then I went.

No, I know.

I'm missing the part where you just went.

Was it dry by the point you got like photos?

No, but the first thought in my head was like, wow, I'm wearing a skirt that I'm like.

Have you like not figured out how to use a toilet quite yet?

Yeah, like you're saying it as if like, just sometimes you pee.

I don't wear skirts so often and it got in the toilet.

Like I didn't know how to pull down a skirt.

I don't wear them.

Well, do you pull down your skirt when you pee, or do you lift it up?

I probably pull it down because I'm already having to pull my panties down.

So I would just pull both down.

You lift it up.

You're pulling one down and pulling one up.

I lift it up, like too much.

Oh, I mean, I don't, maybe that's why I don't often, it's been a minute since I've worn a skirt, but I think I was often lifting it up.

I lift it.

I lift it up.

Yeah.

You lift it up.

Some people just freeball under the skirt.

I lift it up.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess you can freeball under the skirt.

I think it depends on how

the world you are or how short.

I don't need like, you know, I was pulling it up.

I don't know.

Pulling it down is like such a

floor.

Let's say, let's say it's a short.

Let's say it's a short, like, yeah.

But let's say it's a short skirt that's like a little tight, and then you're like, you're like, oh, yeah.

If it's like a sick,

you just like hike it up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If it's tight, we're going easy.

But if it's like, you know,

this wasn't a short, tight skirt.

This was something that dressed and like, you know,

like you're pulling it down.

It was elastic, but like it's only

actually, I do have a question, though, while we're on the topic of peeing and things.

For sure.

When you're wearing a full-piece bathing suit, do you take your whole bathing suit off or do you just pull it to the side?

I don't think I am talented enough to pull it to the side and not pee on my hands and or the swimsuit itself.

I feel like I'm getting, it's like when you wear a body.

I don't think Leia is either, but I think she still does it.

You should try it.

It's so much easier.

I saw somebody post about it.

She teaches hope that you're going to the ocean.

Are you clumsy?

Is what I say in that situation.

Yeah.

Can you not tell by knowing me?

I thought you were going to say, if you're wearing a one-piece bathing suit, do you take it all the way off or pee through it?

And I was going to be very, very

nervous for you.

No, no, no.

I did not pee through it.

But somebody in the ocean.

Somebody did just tell me actually that they pee in pools.

That's nice.

And that it's normal to pee in a pool like a private pool if it is you should not tell anyone about i mean i'm not gonna say i've never i mean like i never have like i definitely have peed in a pool once or twice like somebody's private pool recently like a private like our own pool yes in our backyard like no one else is in it besides me private private pool is a wild term yeah

like not a public something as a child or occasionally when i'm home if i'm like in the pool with my family and we're like drinking a lot, no, no, no,

I mean, like, if I'm like kind of drunk in a pool, if I'm drunk in a pool, like it's accidentally happened.

Have you guys not seen that?

Like, not often,

I'm not trying to.

No, I'm never swimming.

We're never invited to the body.

Have you not seen the party?

Have you never seen the grown-up scene where the husband's pee in the pool and it turns blue?

Oh, of course, I've seen that party.

Oh, that was like a fear of mine.

Someone told me that once that if you pee in the pool, it changes colors.

And so I didn't for a long time after that until I started using my brain.

Also, full disclosure: this is not something I do often.

This is like using the pool.

Only when you're drinking.

Not even like often when I'm drinking.

Only when you're in the pool with your family.

Once.

It's okay, Mary.

It's not all the time.

It's not.

It's okay, Mary.

You just said it on a podcast.

It's okay.

Cut.

No one is listening.

It's okay.

No one's listening.

Well, before we get to the most recent dark episode of the Valley, I often wonder sometimes when it comes to these shows, like, was it worth it?

Like, at this point, Janet and Jesse must be asking them like Jason even you know is it worth I don't know like are they getting brand deals like what are they making to record this show like it's Janet's got like 76,000 followers which I don't know and the grand schemes of the internet and like being an influencer is is is not much

she may or may not have just fled the country yeah well

did they flee the country or did they go on summer vacation i think she just went out of town literally like where did money the country come from trolls i do feel like someone going on vacation and fleeing the country might be two different things.

Or two different things.

I do think it's crazy that this is not me, like, necessarily saying Janet is a perfect person whatsoever, but she is definitely not the worst or most toxic person on the Valley cast.

When Jax Taylor

is also there, it's crazy that she gets attacked.

More than Jax, it seems at times.

Are you talking about her from her peers or the the fans?

Because I do feel like the fans have really laid into Jax this year.

I think peers specifically.

Jesse really seems to be getting a pass online.

I mean, I honestly think Michelle gets more hands than Jesse.

I have a take on that, though, with Jesse specifically.

I think that, like, the reason that Schwartz came on here and said, like, you're going to like Jesse by the end of the season.

And, like, people kept being like, you're going to like Jesse.

You're going to like Jesse.

It's because he'sn't been on the show so much anymore.

He's stopped talking.

Yeah.

Like, I don't.

It's like he shuts up.

So he's not there.

So like, sure, I guess, like, he's just not in the drama or on the show, really.

I mean, him and Aaron made up.

So I guess maybe that's.

I will say, I mean, like, this, you know, I will, this show is definitely like,

it really makes you count your blessings.

I mean, it honestly does make me thankful for like how hard we work on our relationship.

When we were visiting Tyler and Tate, we went out and got some lunch before we caught our flight home.

And our waiter, lovely gentleman, and then like, I was like kind of following River around the restaurant, you know, as she kind of got tired of eating.

And he was like playing with her and making faces and interacting with River.

And he was like, Yeah, I got two of my own, but I'm going through a divorce right now, and I don't get to see him that much.

And it was, it's heartbreaking, you know, just even if you have a good, healthy co-parenting situation, if, if, you know, if you're not able to make it work in a marriage and two people decide to separate, it's

it's, I mean, it's devastating.

And then, as much as I kind of hate, as much as I hate Jesse, like it's, I, it is sad to see, you know, I, I don't know, like, I have no empathy for Jesse for how he treats people and specifically how he treats Michelle.

But to see your ex-partner date another guy and then have your child, you know,

say, I love you and express affection to him and even to have that conversation about like, how is a stranger going to be around your daughter?

And just kind of like, and you're at the mercy of

your ex-partner, like choosing the right part.

Oh, God, it's just, I've,

my heart goes out to all the people who, you know, I'm just, it makes me thankful that we can make it work because it's sad.

It's sad that you, you know,

it's just sad.

Yeah, it is.

That, that scene was definitely like

hard to watch.

And I think Aaron even was kind of like, yeah, I think I crossed the line specifically with Father's Day.

It's a complicated situation yeah yeah yeah i mean there's nothing it's just it's sad because and you know also and there's some cases where it's true where you say like listen like staying together for the sake of the kids isn't necessarily helping anyone out but it's just yeah it's uh it's a bummer janet's comments on the boat were

i mean i guess we could get to that it's just horrific i mean like I think Nia said it best of just like this not coming from the person or people that it actually happened to.

And, like, you apparently Janet wasn't even there the night that Danny allegedly put his hands on

Jasmine.

And so, it's like the fact that she has continued to run with this narrative and even start saying, like,

the definition of what happened being sexual assault is just absolutely mind-blowing, not okay, so scary.

And then, like,

the fact that Kristen really was the only one who was that upset upset also blows my mind.

It's like, who, where are these people's friends?

Like, none of these people besides Kristen and Luke are Nia and Danny's friend.

You have Jasmine and Melissa getting up and being like, stop.

Like, stop talking about this.

Like, the people that it happened to are telling you to stop and you're throwing words, strong words around.

And it's not about you.

You can't.

You cannot speak about somebody else's experience in public to other people, like using words like that when they're alone.

They're not asking you to stop.

Public, but on a national television show, that's a huge accusation to make about someone, someone with children.

And you're just going to like flippantly throw it out on a national television show?

Like, that's a scary person to be friends with.

Jasmine's storyline wasn't, hey, Danny S-A-'d me.

Her storyline was like, Danny got drunk and like put his hand and like nothing.

It made me uncomfortable.

It made me uncomfortable.

Yeah.

But either way, it's theirs to deal.

Like, yeah, their story to tell.

Like, it's not Janet's.

It also really made me sad that Kristen went to Jason being like, she like whispers it in his ear.

She doesn't want to say it in front of Nia and Danny or like again, loudly in front of people.

She whispers it in Jason's ear.

And he was kind of like, well, technically, yeah.

Like, Jason's a weak man.

I stand by my original comment.

I think I caught him like a pussy ass vigilantly.

Period.

Maybe it's a survival mechanism.

Maybe, you know, in fairness to Jason, he's got to listen to Janet just,

you know.

That was a rough beat.

But like, I just don't what, I, I'm still, I'm really, I know what it's like to go on a reality TV show and be like, you know what?

I don't know.

I really don't want to be the villain.

And, and, um,

you know, and then become the villain, just knowing that, like, sometimes, you know, you run your mouth and you get a bad edit.

And, you know.

And then certainly in Bachelor World, they can make, you know, nothing turn into something.

Like, this isn't editing.

Like, whether it's her or Jesse,

the fact that she

risked this thinking that she was right, you know, or, you know, and then her saying, I had to use the definition or whatever.

Nia's like, you had to, or you chose my husband's lawyer.

Yeah, it's just like, I just don't understand her thought process of like, did you think this, did you think you were going to be liked by this behavior?

Like,

did you, this is what you want to be known by?

You're in a, you know, like, I,

again, this isn't like some, a group of messy 22-year-olds who don't have a care in the world.

They have a, well, they like, what they like to say is like a healthy family unit.

Like, how, how is bringing this energy into your life something you want to do?

I mean, at least get Jesse and Michelle.

It's like, you know what?

Our lives are shit.

Let's just blow it all the fuck up.

But like, Janet seemingly has something to like protect.

Why is she like, I don't get the thought process.

Well, that's what it is.

It's like, what do you have to gain with all this drama?

Because you're just kind of, she seems to just be kind of like inserting herself into the problem,

you know, like inserting herself into the drama.

And it goes back to the original point of like, what's it worth?

Kristen calls her out for like being a fan.

It's like, is this what Janet wants?

When I started watching The Valley, I wanted to kind of as a bit wanted to defend Janet because I thought it was funny.

But it's just like, it gets so hard when she just keeps doing stuff like this.

I mean, she just has no

storyline for herself, you know, like we know nothing about Janet or her marriage or her child.

Other than she thinks it's perfect.

Every, everything that comes out of her mouth is about someone else.

Has she said anything recently about her behavior other than like turning off her Instagram for a minute?

She was on Watch What Happens live, like, kind of recently.

Yeah.

Um, and she was calling out threats and slurs being sent her way amid all the battles.

Which is definitely not okay.

And I, I, I, I think she said that people are doing that.

I wish she would address her behavior that's causing fans to be

upset.

Upset.

Yeah.

I just wish that, like, people could react to things

normally.

Yeah, she said that she she had to close her Instagram page for receiving an outpouring of hate.

She said, it's sad to me that people go this far.

It's definitely the worst part about this job.

I'm learning how to put boundaries on social media in place and learning as I go.

I support healthy dialogue around reality TV and think some of the best conversations about modern culture stem from shows like ours.

She really believes in what she's doing.

Yeah, I feel like if after every single episode, we had a public statement from Janet being like, you know, watching this back.

This isn't how I, you know, thought I was portraying my feelings.

I wish I wouldn't have said A, B, C, D, E, F, and G.

And like, moving forward.

Yeah, I feel like we need an apology from Janet after every single episode.

And it seems like she just acts like she did nothing.

And she's like, why are y'all so mad at me?

I mean, like, she really is

the epitome of, I mean, at least she presents

as like the definition of what everyone thinks a Karen is.

I mean, it just, it, and it's true as false.

I mean, she said that she, she admitted to her, that she was a Karen.

She was like, I looked at the definition and I definitely am

to that.

Yeah, like nosy,

you know, self-righteous.

Like lean, almost like lean into that and make it a character then, you know?

Like, I feel like

there would be a way for like Janet to be Janet in a way that's way less like toxic than

that.

She can't have fun with it.

Like, selflessly.

Is that the right word?

Like, everything that she does is about other people.

Like, she can't.

Like,

what's Janet's vulnerable side?

Like, what is her, what are her insecurities?

Because I'm saying we know nothing about Janet and her background, her family, her life, her marriage.

We know nothing because every time she speaks, she's spewing some rumor, some saying something mean about someone else.

I think the Valley in general, they just need to, like,

have more fun.

Like, it was so refreshing on Love Island.

the other night where they had the baby challenge because it was like fun.

Just like watching people have fun and it being lighthearted.

It was just a breath of fresh air, like a mega stallion episode.

Like, you just got to sprinkle some of those in.

Yeah, the Valley needs to get like VPR even at its worst was still fun,

you know, and the Valley just or were we all just like in a different headspace with

the stakes were different, right?

When you're 22 and you're being fuckheads to each other, it's like, okay, well, you know.

Yeah, now it's like

next gen is fun.

Yeah.

No,

when there's kids involved and there's family dynamics and we're just having like this icky conversation with a man we hate like Jesse and you still like are forced to kind of have some kind of empathy for him because even the people you hate, you're kind of sad that their family gets ripped apart.

And then you have like, you know, this one family man, Danny, who's like got four kids under four.

And again, I'm sure Danny has his flaws and maybe he drinks a little too much.

And like, but he certainly is constantly apologizing,

is willing to take more accountability than anyone on this fucking cast.

And then you have janet who again also has a seemingly a nice family dynamic is constantly trying to just tear others down and this the stakes are just different and it's this kind of yuckier you know and then you know and then you have jackson brittany and we fuck that's a whole nother

did i hear it right did did swartz say if you if you try if you guys stay together you'll probably end up in jail yes i rewinded it because i was like did i hear that right and then i rewinded it and that is exactly what he said and it's like well thanks for your honesty swarts but like, that's alarming.

In jail for what?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you're standing in the kitchen with this man, being buddy-buddy friends with him?

Uh-huh.

Honestly, I first,

the last week's episode, I was like, oh, this is, you know, Kristen's engaged.

It's like not super dark.

Maybe we're turning a corner.

And then this episode, it was like, oh.

And then it was like, Jax isn't on the trip.

Maybe we're in, we're in good clear view site.

Nope.

Yeah, this show, this show needs a serious reboot.

Like, again, we've already talked about this.

Give me Lala.

I want to see Lala date.

I want to hear the struggles of being a single mom with some inspirational moments of her crushing life and being an amazing mother.

Give me Stasi.

Stasi's not going to do it, but yes, we would love Stasi, but like, you know, Stasi's not going to do it.

Here we go.

Yeah, but you need some aspirational moments here.

Like, give me some real life storylines, you know?

Like, yeah, I mean.

Schwartz wearing flip-flops as an adult man.

Yeah, I'll be right back.

We're looking at the people that we threw out for the new cast.

Julianne Huff.

Julianne.

Yeah.

I think Scott's bringing Julianne.

A dream cast for a reason.

Oh, yeah.

Honestly, Tom Sandoval and his girlfriend Victoria would be more aspirational than the shit we're seeing right now.

At least they're going to therapy every day.

Are they?

I don't know.

They said they were.

Nick's his therapist.

No, I'm not.

No.

Honestly, at this point,

it would take a lot for me to say that.

I would rather see Tom Sandoval on my television than the current cast of the movie.

Nick's dream storyline for Tom, him launching his OnlyFans career.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

And Victoria's taking photos.

Sandoval just like with his band.

Like,

wait, this would, the Valley Woody be amazing if it was like Tom Sandoval as an adult man still thinking he's going to make it as a bad thing.

Well, following him to his America's Got Talent audition, exactly.

Imagine we were backstage at America's Got Talent.

We were watching him like practice in his garage with his band for America's Got Talent.

That's better than whatever the hell we're seeing right now.

Well, that'll wrap it up for us today.

Thank you to our guests, Monica Garcia and Christina Coca, as well as our Love Island stars, TJ and Jaden.

We appreciate them all and appreciate you guys listening.

If you haven't checked out the Going Deeper episode with Kaya, obviously a very different type of episode for a Going Deeper, but an important one nonetheless and

very empowering.

Kaya is a victim of Harvey Weinstein, and she tells a very heroic story about how she dealt with that whole ordeal.

That is our Going Deeper episode this week.

It's out.

Be sure to check it out if you haven't already.

We will see you back on Monday.

Finale of Love Island.

It's going to be a crazy week.

We'll see you then.

Stay with us.

Bye.

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