E962 - Next Gen NYC w/ Gia Giudice, Love Island USA, Cierra’s Exit, Mormon Wives Reunion & Bach In Paradise

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

I'm your host, Nick.

Hope you enjoyed your time off.

I know we enjoyed ours.

Hope you had a nice Fourth of July weekend.

We had a great time.

We went to Florida.

We went to Florida.

We went to go visit our favorites, Tyler and Tate, Tyler Cameron, Tate Madden.

We went and stayed in their gorgeous house that they have been like non-stop renovating.

Well, since we are redoing the lake, it was definitely sad not to be up at the lake for 4th of July.

That broke my heart.

The next best thing was to hang out with her friends.

I mean, it was a great thing, but also like Flora, I've never been to the ocean for 4th of July.

I'm always like a lake boy, you know?

It was in River.

It was the first time River's been on a beach.

It was so cute.

What did she think?

Like, what was her reaction?

She loved it.

Well, we have like at the park by our house, there's like a sand pit.

So she's used to sand.

Like, she loves sand.

So she loved playing in the sand.

And then she walked down to the water with Nick and thought, like, the waves were so fun and so cool.

And then Tyler had gone to like the store to get some snacks and stuff and came back with like a bunch of...

beach toys and like a beach floaty and like a bunch of stuff for River.

So then she got to like float in the water with Nick.

And it was really cute.

She loved loved it.

Tyler was giving Uncle for sure.

We got some cute, cute photos.

And then we did, I did one of the famous Tyler Cammon workouts in his garage.

How did that go?

It went great.

Like, I've been, I've been really working.

Like, the past few weeks, I've been trying to work out more.

My legs currently are hurting really bad.

River woke up in the middle of the night last night.

Nick was like, I can't go.

You can't go.

You got to go.

Like walking down the steps right now.

I'm like holding onto the rail, trying not to tumble down the steps.

My quads hurt so bad.

But it's a good pain.

Tate took some of the classic Tyler Cameron workout videos.

I don't know if everyone knows that she's the mastermind behind this workout.

Yeah, she is definitely.

She's the mastermind behind all

really all those Tyler Cameron.

I feel like it went viral, that one of him,

it might have been his first one working out, and everyone was like,

oh my God, his dick.

You can see it.

Everyone was like freaking out.

Like, I remember it went everywhere.

And then the whole time it's like his girlfriend filming.

filming like she's like let me just go

stick out there that is love that is love did you guys get rained out in florida for the fourth it rained a lot it rained

it rained a bit yeah but it it honestly it looked worse when we were going it was like oh my god it's gonna rain the whole time we're there and then as florida does you know it Yeah, it turned a corner and gave us a beautiful beach day.

What part of Florida were you in, Mary?

I was in Vero Beach in Sarasota because my family lives in Vero Beach and my sister and the rest of my family is in Sarasota.

So we were going back and forth.

Okay.

But it was raining both times.

Did you guys watch any hot dog eating contests?

No.

No, but we did hear

Joey Chestnut.

Joey Chestnut.

That's a hard watch for me.

I was watching Women's like a clip of her and the gagging, like shoving the hot dog in and then she like cover her mouth to gag it all and then just chugs water and I'm thinking like a soggy, wet hot dog in your mouth disgusting so they're like dunking the bun in the water to make it so small that they can how did that start like what's the origins of the food eating hot dog eating contest a psycho probably

nothing good i just don't understand tyl and i were talking about this like i i you know as as two good eaters like we can eat a lot but they're what's the point like it's the timed part you know i think it's fun to like see how much you can eat of one thing but like you're not enjoying it by like

having to do it in a limited amount of time you know and you're just literally gagging it down yeah is it even eating at that point you're just swallowing exactly like if you were enjoying every delicious hot dog

god i god knows i love a hot dog you know but like once or twice you're not putting any condiments on it no mustard no relish

You know, you're just put, you're just literally choking down the dog.

Can we find the origin of the hot dog eating contest?

Legend has it.

That on July 4th, 1916, four immigrants gathered at the very first Nathan's famous hot dog stand in Coney Island and made eating contest history.

As the story goes, they were competing to see who was the most patriotic.

How did they determine the winner with a hot dog eating contest, of course?

Yeah, that tracks.

What screams are you going to do?

How do you show your love for your country more than

shoving a bunch of hot dogs

down your throat?

A A bunch of wieners down your throat.

How many hot dogs do you think you could?

Like maybe three on a midday.

I want to know how many hot dogs people genuinely could just eat, though.

I'm with you, Nick.

I want to just see them normally eat hot dogs.

Like if I have 24 hours, I could do 10.

And it's breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Yeah.

If I had a good, if I had a good hunger, Yeah.

Like a normal Nathan's hot dog with a bun,

no chips, I bet I could, I could rip 10.

How do you eat a hot dog?

What are your ideal condiments?

Onion, dill relish, and mustard.

I just like a pickle and mustard.

I like a plain mustard, ketchup, dip it in ranch with a little bit of dill relish.

Ranch.

Okay.

Well, we have a great show lined up for you.

Gia Judice is here to talk about her time on Next Gen and following in her mom's footsteps.

Obviously, we have a lot to get into regarding Love Island.

There's four episodes that we haven't covered.

I mean, it just feels like so much has happened since

last week.

It's a lot to get off our chest.

It's crazy.

I mean, it's like a whole different show.

I mean, you know, and then what, no, movie night.

We haven't even mentioned the word hideaway, you know, like we're like one couple who has like an overnight date.

It's just like, it's so much to unpack.

You know, a lot of people are gone, lots to get into.

Bachelor in Paradise premiered last night as well.

We'll get into all of it after we talk to Gia.

We'll get into all of that later this episode.

Well, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives reunion came out on July 1st on Hulu with yours truly.

Me hosting.

Nick hosting.

Incredible.

I just want to say big shout out to all the people who reached out.

I know that when it comes to hosting reunions, the host is

under a microscope, let's just say.

You know, there's only one Andy Cohen.

And if you're not Andy Cohen, people,

other reunions that have been hosted by other people have been received with

much scrutiny.

But I think that's what made you so good at it.

I think you've built a rapport with all of these women.

You've been around them so much.

We've interviewed them a ton.

I mean, Whitney aside, but you've also like chatted and talked to Whitney at several events we've been to.

So you've really like gotten to know these women.

And I felt like you.

While you asked the questions that the world wants to know, you also like, when asked your opinion on certain topics, you gave your honest opinion.

And like, I think, you know, with the whole like Whitney conversation, she was like, why do you keep coming at me?

Like, she asked you, like, do you think I hold accountability?

And you're like, I'll be honest with you, like, no.

Yeah, I try to take the approach, you know, we're fans.

Like, we, we are upfront that we are fans of the show.

And also as the host, you know, I tried to have that balance between obviously being host and being objective and, you know, making sure everything was addressed.

But also like asking the questions, you know, that the fans want.

I was pleasantly surprised and very much appreciative of all the people who reached out.

I mean, it was also, and like for the people who didn't watch it, like definitely need to go and watch it.

But there, it was a heavy reunion, you know, like a lot of the cast were very open and vulnerable and brave and talked about things that, you know, they probably never have this publicly.

And you handled each of those conversations with such grace and allowed them like such a safe environment to share their stories.

And I think that's a really hard thing to do, especially one after the other.

I mean, like, so many of them were so brave.

And so I feel like you need to pat yourself on the back for just handling those with such great.

Yeah, it's definitely a tough transitioning from heavy to light, from heavy to to light.

You know, I know, like, we obviously went in into it wanting to hear more from Jesse, specifically about her relationship with Jordan, but that was obviously clearly a big part of season three.

And so, obviously, we don't want to spoil anything that's going to come up in season three.

What did you all make of the Demi of it all with the receipts that both Jesse and Jen brought to the reunion?

I mean, watching the season, it was very hard for me in general to be team to me.

In general, I wanted the whole time, I really have been wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt.

But as

the receipts keep coming, it's really, it's hard for to hear her

like actively try to put words in people's mouths was just like, whoa.

And for, but also like, for Jen and Zach to just like know to hit record though, too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And for those of you who don't know, utah is i believe one of the few states if not the only state that it's legal to record a conversation without the other person knowing in most states it's actually legal to illegal to do it but since they were in utah when this conversation happened that's why they were legally allowed to record it and air it my biggest takeaway from the demi stuff which i i don't know if this is just me because i work here was the vignette they used for the studio

Why?

It really, it kind of distracted me.

I'm going to be honest.

I was there in a rock club.

I was like, why is it black and white?

There's like a little, a little like glow over it.

And I was like, that's not what that studio looks like.

They put like an effect on it.

It was like a flashback or whatever.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, it's kind of giving like recorded and, you know,

things like that.

I don't know.

I was just like, it's a really nice green for them to just set the tone.

I've said this before, is if you thought season two was wild and full of drama, it's my understanding, which I haven't seen yet, that season three

blows it out of the water.

And

there's, I'm highly anticipated.

I think we're going to learn a lot about Jordan and Jesse's relationship.

I think that's, you know, obviously more with Dakota and Taylor, you know, what's going on there.

I have a question.

Yeah.

As Natalie mentioned earlier, it got a little heated between you and Whitney.

I want to know, know like what, what's going on with you guys.

Yeah, and follow.

How did you feel about Whitney calling Michaela your favorite word, a bully?

I wanted Michaela to acknowledge that she clearly cares about Whitney, you know, because I think Michaela very much gives the like, I don't care about her.

I'm done with her.

And regardless of whatever you think of the videos that Michaela makes.

She clearly is emotionally invested in that relationship because otherwise she wouldn't make those videos.

But yeah, I was a bit surprised when Whitney did not like my

line of questioning.

I just, you know, I like again, when it comes to the past two seasons, I think the perceived lack of accountability of Whitney is something that I wanted to have a chance to address with her.

But, you know,

I mean, I think Whitney, again, is one of my favorite characters.

And other than I think Taylor is probably one of the most irreplaceable people on the cast.

She's one of my favorites.

But, you know.

Different question, but something that has not left my mind since watching the reunion.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but what I'm taking away from Michaela's coffee and Emma's at the reunion is that Mormons are allowed to inject coffee into their butthole, but not through their mouths.

Yeah, that was my same confusion as well.

Also, they're allowed to inject the whole soda, which is unless, you know, which is caffeine.

Yeah.

I feel there wasn't a good answer from the girls on that because I feel the Mormon church does not have a good stance on that either.

I don't, I think they're

just seems like the Bible wasn't written you know when when soda was made but maybe it was from coffee i did enjoy that you made a dumb and dumber reference during the reunion that got left in and i want to know if you think that the cast caught it

was it the are you saying there's a chance

yeah

i think a lot of the guys did

yeah i don't know if the women knew it was a dumb and dumber taylor frankie paul didn't look like she she caught it i was just wondering what your thoughts were what do you guys make of uh jen affleck and whitney being a part of the next Dancing with the Stars cast?

That is exciting.

And I do think that both of them are going to go far.

Did y'all see the video of her dancing like moments after she gave birth?

Because that was nuts.

Yes.

I just want to

rewind back to what I was doing moments after giving birth.

I like couldn't, still couldn't feel my legs from the epidural.

Also, like my pelvic floor has still not recovered enough to dance like that.

No, I was also like eating Jimmy John's in the bed.

I was definitely not dancing, but I also did not have to prepare for dancing with the stars.

Was that not normal?

Yeah, she was really moving.

She was really moving.

And I was in pain watching her.

So I don't remember seeing that thinking like, you were not quite that agile.

I coughed and I was in pain or sneezed.

God forbid I sneezed.

Well, she

started giving birth at the salon.

What would be your nightmare place?

She went in traffic and started at the nail, getting her nails done.

Oh.

Oh, yeah.

What would be your nightmare place?

What would be your nightmare place?

Go into labor.

Have your water break.

Probably like in my, like in traffic, like in a, in my car.

Oh, man.

You know, like stuck in like bumper to bumper.

Car birth videos are terrifying.

Terrifying.

I was really worried that I would, uh, my water would break here on that desk.

And so I put a towel down like in the last couple of weeks.

Did you?

Yeah.

Never knew.

I wonder if, obviously, I, I got induced for river.

I,

you know,

I would love to like have the rush of, oh my God, my water just broke feeling for like a future baby.

Well, it, it was shocking to me because it wasn't what I expected it to be.

It like it happened and then it just doesn't end.

Like, it's not just like, oh, my water broke.

It's like, then the baby still doesn't come for hours and hours and hours.

Yeah.

I was three months early.

And yeah.

And when my mom's water broke with me, she was watching,

it was because she was laughing really hard at a Jay Leno monologue on the tonight show.

And then

she thought she peed her pants.

I thought I peed.

Yeah.

And then she was like, it was four months at that time early.

And then she freaked out and she was in the hospital for like a month.

Oh my God.

I was like three pounds when I was born.

Anyway, yeah, they used to give me baby clothes, like baby doll clothes instead of real clothes.

And then like I would put my little clothes on my dolls when I was a kid.

That's so sweet.

That's so cute.

All right.

Well, it's time for Gia.

She is, again, following in her mom's footsteps.

And I think, you know, one of the people carrying this show,

I really am enjoying the whole like Bravo nepotism versus like the new, you know, the

other

trust fund babies.

Is that what we're calling them?

I don't know.

The season is starting to warm up.

I'm finally kind of getting into it.

I know, Mary, you've been into it from the get.

Well, we have Gia to break it all down with us.

She is up next.

And following Gia, we'll finally get into some Bachelor in Paradise and Love island all right let's bring up gia

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Hi, thank you for having me.

We're so excited to have you.

You uh, I know it's your first season on Bravo.

Well, you're it's your first kind of season on Bravo, it's like as your own kind of being a star of the season, but like you're you've been a reality TV icon.

I don't know, how old were you with the when that singing video came out?

With waking up in the morning, I think I was eight or nine.

Did you ever like watermark that?

I actually passed there.

Yes, and and I did, and then I got a copy, I copyrighted as well.

So I did some things, and then I also collaborated with a jersey boutique called Hazel Boutique.

And we did like waking up in the morning merch for it.

So that was fun.

And that was a bit of an era for sure.

When, like, how old were you when you realized it was the internet sensation that it was?

Well, it went viral during COVID.

So it was my sophomore year of college.

So I was 19, maybe 19, turning 20.

Did you like honestly forget about it?

And then when it came back, you're like, oh my God, I totally forget about that.

Yeah, I was like, how the hell is this resurfacing right now?

Because we had nothing.

No, it was all how we were feeling.

We were all

at four, five years old, however old you were.

I guess the sound really resonated with what was going on in the time.

So it was definitely, it was nuts.

It just came to a point where all these A-list celebrities started using my sound, like Lil Wayne, Lil Naz, Cardi B, Nicki Minaj.

I was like starstruck.

And I, and then I'm wondering to myself, do these people even know who I am?

They probably don't.

They probably think I'm just some little kid crying.

And they probably just think the sound is hilarious.

There's so many, like, what's what's great about this is like, you know, there's, there's other like popular memes that like that were, you know, what's the fire burning with the girl?

And then there's a lot of those where, like, well, I wonder where they are.

Is that, is that even a real person, you know, and then, like, you know, here you are, you know, front and center, doing your own thing, you know, making a name for yourself.

And it's, it's like a full circle moment that it's really satisfying for the internet in ways that you usually don't get to that.

Definitely.

Now I own it.

Yeah.

So you should.

You really should.

How has filming Next Gen been?

It was a lot of fun.

It was definitely different than being, you know, on The Real Housewives of New Jersey.

It was more into our lives and honestly, just not as intense.

So it was super easy.

It honestly felt like a breeze.

Well, we're definitely really enjoying you doing it.

And I think there's a lot of hope for this show to like, you know.

maybe be like the next Vanderpump in terms of like, you know, that kind of young, younger show, younger audience, you know, seeing a lot of, it's always kind of fun to watch people in their early 20s like try to make it, chase the dream, you know.

And it's even relatable for people who are maybe older, you know, because everyone's always like chasing a dream or going for a goal.

There has been obviously a lot of discourse and talk about just how this cast came together between, you know, the Bravo kids, as they're referred to, and the Trust Fund babies.

you know, this kind of like war between the two.

Was that felt by the cast, you know while you were filming or is that something that through the edit and fan reactions are making a bigger deal than it ultimately was while you were filming i mean i don't think it was any secret to how we met especially for me i knew brooks and ariana really well we just connected and clicked i'm genuinely very close with them and then um riley i knew her through the bravo world met her at bravo con but riley and i honestly formed more of a friendship while while filming Next Gen.

And same with a lot of the cast members.

I didn't know them.

The big link between all of us was Brooks.

So filming the first, you know, couple episodes, it was everyone just getting used to each other and feeling it out and getting comfortable.

There were connections between the whole cast, but between certain people, we really didn't know each other that well.

So as the season goes on, I feel like you're going to see people get more comfortable with each other.

Obviously, the drama heightens towards the end of the season.

And it really was because we were all getting to know each other.

And I don't think that that was any secret.

It really was Brooks being the main tie between everyone.

And then the Bravo kids were obviously familiar with each other.

then Brooks's friends that he knew.

I was saying this, Natalie, when we were watching the most recent episode.

It's also fascinating because you know your mom has you know made cameos brooks's mom you know has made cameos and it's fascinating because we usually get to see meredith and theresa in their housewife element you know and it's also part of the drama but it's it's very charming to see them being playing the role of supportive mom right you know like it's such a reversal and you're and you get to see your mom, Teresa, and Meredith, Brooks's mom, in these very different lights.

You know, I don't know.

Do you see that as well watching it back?

Because it does come across as a lot more nurturing rather than like when they're playing the role of housewives, they're just arguing with their castmates.

And then sometimes when their kids are in there, they're like, you know, almost like in the room while

people are arguing.

It's been kind of really fun to see both of those women in that, in the, in this more nurturing light.

Well, I mean, for sure, but that's how they are on a day-to-day basis.

So you guys are really seeing them on NextGen, how how they treat us and how they treat their kids and are with their kids every day.

My mom is the sweetest person ever

and she

is the most loving mom.

But I've seen my mom obviously on Housewives and Meredith on her show.

When you're around, you know, just kind of a toxic environment and with women maybe, that want to bring out the worst in you, you're not going to be shown in the most happy, positive light but on next gen there was no reason for them to be yelling across the table or telling anyone to leave it just completely different vibe and i'm really happy that people got to see my mom in that light as well what was your reaction to your mom hanging up on the news anchor honestly i thought she handled it perfectly i agree she's just she's over it because people have this whole narrative that we just don't pay our taxes taxes.

And

it's honestly comical

for

me, but not really.

I honestly feel bad for my mom.

I just, I feel so bad for her because she's been busting her ass and paying everything since she got out.

And

when the news anchor said that to her.

She just thought it was so insulting and so unprofessional.

Such a just like random, I mean, like for this random news anchor to like try to get some like clickbaity.

It was so weird.

And she was, she was going on there to promote the appearances that she had coming up.

And overall, it was just so unprofessional.

And I think.

a lot of people said that it was.

And I just, you know, I think for her, she was just so insulted by it because people think they know still to this day and they don't.

And I know, quite frankly, people want her to just set the record record straight, but honestly, it's nobody else's business.

I'd love to get your thoughts on Trust Fund Charlie, as we like to refer to him.

Why do you think he was so upset about $200 Bose speakers?

And then last week's episode, his fight with Georgia.

I think it was this week, wasn't it?

Yeah, this most recent episode.

That's what I mean.

Yeah, maybe.

I think a lot of Bravo fans are like, oh my God, another.

like toxic male that Bravo is giving this like platform to.

What is your take on Charlie?

I know.

And I have been seeing that it's very difficult because i feel the way charlie acts

he's new to this whole thing and i'm not giving him and

you know i'm not sticking up for him or excusing his behavior but i think it comes from childhood trauma and i really do think that his actions come from the way that he was raised and he was never loved and nurtured in his household so that's why i think he feels like it's okay to act so abrasive and act out on people.

I don't know.

I don't think it's okay.

And I don't think it's an excuse.

But at this point, he's 30 years old.

He's not changing.

It would have helped if, you know, maybe he really took therapy seriously or really, you know, took control of his emotions at a younger age.

But at this point, I tell everybody this, he's 30.

He's not changing.

He is who he is.

So this, do you think this is really who he is and not like maybe Charlie thinking he's supposed to perform being kind of a new reality tv star oh no

when he when we were filming he you you even heard him when he was going off on georgia you know saying i'm the only reason why you're even on this show he really he had no filter he done nothing

came out of his mouth where he was

you know, trying to be careful because cameras were around.

He would rip his mic off.

He would say, like, this is not like, it just, it wasn't like that.

He didn't care who was around.

so the charlie you see on next gen is definitely charlie but um you know i do feel bad for him in some in some ways i think he definitely has some issues that he just never took care of and now

i i agree with you i have a i have a slight bit of empathy for him just because of the way we've gotten to see his relationship with his father It seems kind of embarrassing that his dad wants to be on TV and use his son to get on camera as much as that, at least that's how it comes across.

I've never, you know,

we were, we were talking about this, I think, a couple weeks ago, just the way he competes with Charlie is a just bizarre.

His like question at that party was like, who's more attractive, me or Charlie?

It's like,

it's a crazy thing to ask a bunch of like early, 20-year-old girls.

So

you see where that kind of you see where he gets it from.

So I do, I definitely have some empathy there.

You sticking up up for ariana was a great moment to see we loved that what i mean like the way that ava was trying to come at her brand and like the way that she was trying to frame it is like i just don't know your

what she kept saying like what point of view and you were like you're saying she has no style you're basically you're just saying she has no style

I think we definitely had a couple drinks in our system that night.

But yeah, it was, there's points in time where things happen, especially like that, where you're like, okay, wow, Gia, you could have maybe backed it up just a little bit.

But

I was honestly happy with the way that I stuck up for Ariana.

And watching it back now.

Ava really was just insulting her the whole time.

Nothing, nothing was making sense.

And I was kind of just calling a spade a spade.

And I did feel bad though.

And that's why I did text her after that night.

And I was like, sorry.

But the bulldog comment was a little much, like, relax, handling.

You ride for your friends.

It's a good trait to have.

Yeah.

Is your mom still not following Ava?

Because I think we, we noticed that she unfollowed her.

That's

that's such a lie.

Like, guys, okay.

Just knowing Teresa and knowing her personality, do you really think

she would be able to just, I don't know, sit there and take the time to do that.

that.

I, I just know my mom and she barely knows how to film her cameos correct.

And, you know, as you could see, like when she hung up on the news anchor, she had to turn that.

She's like, hold on, hang up the phone.

She, when she's like in the moment, she's frazzled.

Like she, she's not tech savvy in any way.

So when Ava said that, I was like.

Girl, like you're just, you're lying.

I know my mom and she doesn't care that much to unfollow you.

It was just crazy.

Who's the closest friend you've made while filming this show?

Well, Brooks and I have always been close, but I would say not a part of the Bravo kids, Amira.

Okay.

Yeah.

We work really like honestly in the same line of work.

So we connected a lot and she, she's just, she's really cool.

Do you like or feel uncomfortable with the idea that you're have been referred to in Bravo World as Brooks' mouthpiece?

No.

You hate it.

I'm, no, I'm not affected by it.

No, because I tell Brooks this too, and I think he's seeing it from the Bravo world a little bit too.

He's got to start sticking up for himself a little more because he looks like he's running away from situations.

And I'm like, Brooks, you cannot be like this.

Does he have fight in him that we haven't been able to see yet?

That's like, that we might be able to see in the future.

He's got to do it.

He has to find it.

He's got to do it.

Or maybe he's just a gentle soul.

Like he is,

you know.

No, he is.

He's a gentle soul.

He hates confrontation.

It makes him

have the biggest, like, he gets so much anxiety thinking about confrontation.

He really does hate it.

I would love to see Brooks stand up for himself a little bit better, but I will say

Bravo to Nellie's point has a...

just a long list of toxic men and and Brooks seems anything but and he is a delight to see and you know just like yeah like and sometimes you know we're watching the valley right now and we see all these like broken relationships and broken families like it is it's very nice to see like

you know um the marks family you know show up and just be like

wow they're on reality TV and and and they're healthy and they all love each other

and Brooks's family

they're amazing yeah they're amazing they're so funny they're so close they're such a close-knit family but they're awesome.

What can we expect for next gen coming up?

Drama.

Drama.

We love it.

Yeah, I think, you know, like I was saying before, we really got to know each other throughout the season.

So the more you get to know each other, the more time you spend with each other, you know, the more people get on your nerves and emotions are.

heightened.

So I would say towards the end of the season, there's just a lot more drama.

Do you enjoy Georgia's parties?

Perfect.

No.

All right.

Next question.

I love how you gave it some real thought.

She did.

Yeah.

You're going to see one of them.

Great.

Do you have any notes for her?

Like ways that they could be improved?

No.

Maybe

look at

take a book from my pool party.

Well, we love to see it.

Take a page from the book.

Sorry for going back to like just the casting process.

Like,

did you just get a random call?

Like, you know, obviously your family is like, has great relationships with the network, obviously.

Did they have to court you and try to convince you to come on?

Or was it just kind of Brooks was like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this.

Like, what, what, in terms of like the the bravo kids how did that all kind of all come together yeah so brooks called me about it

and then

i filmed the sizzle so i was like okay let me just film the sizzle it's not locking me into anything yet so then we filmed the sizzle two summers ago because we filmed the first season last summer so then the sizzle was filmed two summers ago that's where i kind of met some people so i met amira Brooks, Rye.

I knew Riley, but Brooks, Riley.

And then the people who I met were Amira, Ava, Dylan, and Charlie.

And then there was some other people that ended up not being on NextGen.

Then the meetings obviously started and it kind of...

took me a minute just to think about what I was doing and if I wanted to do this.

And then I recommended Ariana to be on Next Gen.

Great call.

Yeah, love her.

She's amazing.

So I recommended Ariana to be on NextGen.

Her interviews started going and

she locked it in.

I locked it in.

And I was like, all right, I'm ready.

Cause I.

She's like my girl.

I really vibe with her, Brooks.

And I was just nervous because I didn't know, I wasn't that close with anybody.

So besides Brooks and Ariana.

So once I felt like I had two strong friends on the show, I was, I felt, you know, ready and good to do the show.

Okay.

Do you think, are we ever going to get to see Gia get an apartment in, in the city?

Are we going to always bridge and tunnel it?

Yeah, we are.

They also,

they exaggerated that a little bit, but I'm literally in the city.

four times a week for work, whether it's filming my podcast, Amazon Lives, events in New York.

I'm not even trying to say this about myself, but I'm a hustler.

I work really, really hard.

And they kind of exaggerated that whole thing that the city's such a hassle for me.

Yeah, okay.

It's traffic's annoying.

It gets a little, you know, exhausting going back and forth and commuting back and forth into the city, but I do it.

work my ass off.

So we respect everyone who hustles.

We love to hustle on this side as well.

And I will say that in fairness, I know it feels like they kind of exaggerated that part, but I think it really comes across that the bravo kids, if you want to call them that, they're all hustlers in the best possible way as opposed to like, you know, Charlie and them.

It's just like, it's just, it gives such an ick to like act like this entitled person who likes to talk about money that they don't have.

Like, you know, right now, Nellie and I are doing okay.

I don't know.

I hope our daughter, who's only 15 15 months now, I hope we teach her humility and things like that.

But I'm going to remind her that she's poor.

She doesn't have money.

It's like that clip of Ben Affleck with like his son wanting those shoes.

And they're like, How much are the shoes?

Like, $3,000.

He's like, Dad, they're $3,000.

And Ben Affleck's like, Yeah, you don't have $3,000.

Like, I got it, but you don't.

But

I think it's a credit to, you know, your guys's family that clearly

you guys were taught how to hustle and work hard.

And it shows on the show.

And I really respect it.

And I think it's very evident.

And

it makes the Bravo gang a lot more likable than the other side.

I'm happy to hear that.

Yes, but you definitely will see a change very soon.

I'm enjoying my summer house right now, but then after this, I will, I will be making my move.

Are you a top bunk or a bottom bunk, gal?

I'm a bottom bunk, gal.

We're not risking a falling off it.

Absolutely not.

Climbing up a ladder, I'm okay.

Oh my God.

And then when the boyfriends come, it's even crazier.

My cousin's boyfriend's like six foot and he crawls off the top top bunk.

And it's, it's such a sight to see every day.

It's not even fair.

Gia, thanks so much for taking the time.

We'll let you get back to your summer plans.

Really enjoying you on NextGen.

It's nice to see you carrying the tradition of a family that already is considered iconic.

So thanks for taking the time and look forward to seeing more of you as the season

unveils itself.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me.

All right.

Take care, Jaya.

Bye, guys.

So likable.

So likable.

I love her.

Yeah, her answer, her answer about George's parties.

The way she thought about it so hard.

No.

No.

I mean, we can do it.

I mean, I feel like we saw that with like

the,

I mean, I guess it wasn't your fault, but like the building people, like the, the venue event getting evicted or whatever.

And then she's like, we'll figure it out.

I wouldn't worry.

Georgia is one of my favorite characters on this show because I just, I never know what is going to come out of that girl's mouth.

What is going to happen in any sort of case scenario?

All right.

Well, let's get into some bash room paradise.

I don't know.

Here's my

the best part of the episode was the season preview.

It honestly made like the rest of the season seem kind of promising.

But for a two-hour premiere.

And while we're also watching Love Island, it's a hard

episode.

I don't know about you, Leia or Mary, but I was just like, give me like a Love Island challenge.

You know, like I wanted

the Melkin

point.

Yeah.

Literally.

And then we got a challenge, and I was just like, what?

And it seems kind of like a bunch of people.

My biggest issue with the Bachelor franchise at large is why is everything paced like a three-hour Martin Scorsese movie?

Like, it's just Bachelor in Paradise specifically.

I was like, why was this two hours?

Exactly.

It could have like, could have been 20 hours.

Let's pick it up a notch.

It literally could have been.

We started with Spencer, who is their opener.

for the season, who in his thing, he's like, you might not remember me.

It's like, then why are you opening up the show?

Like,

I am.

I'm like matcha.

Yeah.

I'm like matcha and a yapper.

We're committed to giving it a shot.

And I think I've heard from some of the producers working on it, they were really,

you know, and

you might think, oh, well, they're biased.

Like some of these producers, like, they don't, they don't have, I've heard producers in other previous seasons be like, yeah, I don't know about this season.

So some of them seem really excited about the work they put in and the product they,

you finished with.

That being said, it's just like, and who was the guy?

Who was another guy who was like, I was on Steven?

Like, he was on.

Katie Thurston's.

Yeah, he's like, if you blink, you didn't see me.

And then, like, he's already gone.

Kai, are you there?

Usually when you bring in someone who like, you know, goes home night one or whatever, like a, like a grocery store Joe.

No, like a

Brett from Gen season.

Oh, yeah.

Where was where is Brett?

Yeah, where is Brett from Gen season?

Oh, yeah.

What?

Like,

maybe he has a girlfriend, and I hope that's the reason why, or he turned him down.

But, like, you've got these random guys, and you didn't bring back Brett?

Craziness.

Yeah, that's a really good call.

Hopefully, he comes in as like a bombshell.

And Brett had, like, when we interviewed him, he was charming.

He had some swag.

Do you feel like maybe I'm not one to judge, and it is TV, but like, I do feel like there's a lack of swag when it comes from the men.

I mean, yeah, I think men in general are just like

no sauce.

Well, I was glad that Alex called Jonathan out because she was like, you haven't like been making an effort with anyone.

No, it was.

Since we're like deep in Love Island right now, like

you can tell that like Jeremiah and Nick and even Ace, they know how to talk to women.

You know, you can tell.

that they are charming and they're comfortable around women and they have game.

You know, you can just kind of tell.

And it really seems like all these men that they've casted on Banach Aaron Paradise are the like really good looking guys who like are single for a reason.

They don't have the sauce.

I mean, I feel like Dale was probably the most like has swag.

And I feel like he's the oldest.

He's like lived the most lives.

He's the most successful.

He like.

So that's why all women are swooning because they've been stuck with these like nobodies from this show.

And finally we have like this tall, handsome, successful Dale Moss.

That's like, oh, sure, yeah, I'll take it.

Nick, do you feel like you got more tired after you passed 35?

No,

no,

yeah, but I'm not the normal when it comes to that.

I also, I also do, like, I can see the difference in the show.

Obviously, like the way it's edited, the obviously, we're in like a completely different place.

We're not in Mexico.

We're in Costa Rica.

And, like, I do like this vibe better.

I do like, you know, like the entrances were definitely better, like the getting out of the car, the slow-mo.

Like, it's corny, it's cheesy, but like, it's definitely better than what it was.

I don't know.

I mean, maybe I'm biased.

I definitely think that's what I'm saying.

I mean, we have the dances.

Like, back in my time, but like, season three

rock.

Well, I have not watched season three.

So

this is my first Bachelor in Paradise.

What is the point?

Like, what are they...

Find love.

They just are married.

Yeah, but like Love Island, it's like you win.

Like, are they, are they trying to win?

They're trying to engage.

According to the season preview, apparently there's a half a million dollars on the line, right?

Yeah, what?

But that's a new twist.

No, no, you did, you did catch that.

Right.

And they're going to, it sounds like, do that thing where they like give the winning couple a choice, like to choose between making the money.

Well, because like Bachelor Pad, which I've never seen, which was which predated Bachelor in Paradise, I've seen it, which a lot of people liked, and it was very popular for people who did watch it, but it was like before its time.

Uh, that was all more like Love Island, yeah, that was all about competition, and then like the winning couple that was like very much like a la Love Island.

If you both chose to keep it, you would split it, and if one person chose to keep it, they would get all the money, and that happened once, and it was iconic.

It was crazy, it was crazy.

The guy chose money and then left her with nothing, and it was nuts.

I guess I just don't understand, like a couple things I didn't understand logistically.

It's just like, why, why get rid of four men right off the jump?

Like, and, you know, Sam, for as much as

like you didn't like him on Gen season, he was like, when he came onto the show, I was like, all right, a guy remember, he was the villain, kind of a dick, fun to hate.

Let's see if there's an arc there.

Let's see if there's a softer side of him, you know, or maybe he's just really a dick, you know, and like he was on for five minutes and now he's gone already.

I don't understand, like, it seemed kind of odd.

And then again, I don't forget the guy's name who was barely on Katie's season and barely on this season.

It's like,

what was the point of giving us two hours to get to know four people you're going to immediately send home?

Yeah, and I really thought that they were going to bring in like a woman at the end or like toward the end.

You know how they do that sometimes where they will bring one more person in at the cocktail party and it's like, okay, like all four of you have to fight over this one rose.

Well, they clearly teased Susie Evans in the, in the season preview, which is great.

Like,

I'm shocked they didn't lead with Susie.

She should have been the first person on the beach or the hotel.

Yeah.

They're setting it up in a way because Justin and Lexi are her.

Yeah, they needed to have the whole conversation of like, who's Justin's ex?

Oh, my God, it's Susie.

Wait, I love her.

Oh, my God.

Is he ready to move on?

I would have done it the other way.

I would have brought in Susie and have.

Yeah.

Also, like, I don't know.

Maybe it's because I know them, but I just don't feel, I feel like they're both moved on.

yeah i feel like they're both two chill individuals you know like they're both like yeah sure you know i don't in like the best possible way like it was like they were definitely friends before they started dating and then i was like you know what let's just stay friends let's just be friends it was giving that yeah i don't feel like there's any it was i think he said something like yeah we're we don't talk that much but we're still friends or something like that

yeah he seemed pretty pretty chill about it

i don't know it was just um

interesting first episode.

Who are your favorites so far?

I don't have one.

Kat and Dale.

Yeah.

What's the whole thing?

What is going to happen with Kat?

I don't mean Kat's excellent television.

And it seems like

I think she was referred to as an actress by her peers in a not a good way in the, in the, in the trailer.

At least it seemed like they were referring to Kat.

Who is that that's going to come?

They're previewing.

Is that like, are those her friends or people from her past?

Because I didn't recognize them coming in.

Say that she's only in it for, yeah, but you know, I would.

You recognize that guy from Katie's season?

I mean, yeah,

you did, but like, only

a little bit.

I remembered like his face.

He looked recognizable.

Like, if you saw him in a grocery store, you'd be like, oh my God, that was that guy on Katie's season.

No, I'd be like, oh, my God, where have I seen this person before?

Okay.

The Shmarmy blonde-haired guy is on there.

I recognized him.

I forget his name.

Schmarmy blondehaired.

His dad was like some politician that

blonde-haired guy.

He referred to himself as Ken or something.

Yes, he referred to himself as Ken.

Did he go home?

He was on preview for next time?

He was on a preview.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Well,

we'll see.

I definitely hope every episode is less than an hour.

Shorter.

That's all I can, my attention span can give it.

Tight 45, please.

Definitely not a phoned-down show.

I'll tell you that much.

The most drama we had was

Hakeem being upset that he was referred to as vanilla.

That was a, that was, but, and then also his, his crash out at the end.

Oh, yeah, because no one liked him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He was, he's intense.

He was intense.

Yeah.

That argument between him and Ricky and then Alex got

that's where Alex got the ick.

Yeah.

She was like, I'm not picking this guy.

Poor Jonathan, he's like trying to talk to Alex.

And she's like, you have deodorant in your armpit.

He's like, okay.

And she's like, can you move your arm down?

Can you move your arm down?

Move it down more.

It's like, at least he's wearing deodorant.

Like, that's he could have stank ass BO.

Yeah.

Also, Jonathan, Jonathan does seem like he has some swag.

Yeah, Jonathan does.

Yeah.

I, but I, in that moment, what I wanted from him was to like laugh or make a joke about it because Alex was like, you have a white clump in your armpit.

I think he was caught off guard because she made it seem like so serious.

she wasn't like yeah jokey she was being like put your arm down i don't want to look at it

i feel like she was maybe just being like i thought she was joking yeah i thought she was kind of trying to

awkward yeah and he didn't he did it fell very fast he didn't yes and her that's all i have to say

I felt like he was uncomfortable because she was like, move your arm.

No, keep moving it.

It wasn't like, ha ha,

you have deodorant in your arm, pet.

It was like,

it's like someone being like, you have spinach in your teeth and you try and get it.

And then, like, just don't talk, you know?

Like, just keep your mouth shut.

Yeah.

Okay.

Also, not them letting Lexi get all dressed up for a date that they knew was going to get canceled.

And then Justin goes and picks her up for it and is just like, we're not going.

Well, I don't understand why they couldn't go down to like the gift shop.

But the problem is.

Yeah.

Like,

stay inside.

I don't know.

But why show it to us?

It's a two-hour episode already.

Like, that could have been cut.

Like, yeah.

That could have been an Ian's.

There's a lot that could have been cut.

Justin.

There's a lot that could have been cut.

I'm curious how the Goldens are going to

come in.

I will say in the,

I don't know, the season preview, they seemed

actually, I was like, you know what?

Maybe

they will bring someone.

They look more fun.

I don't know.

They imply that someone makes out with someone.

Yeah, they do.

I sure hope so.

That'll make it interesting.

I hope it's only in like a challenge.

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We have to get into Love Island.

I'm bursting at the seams.

Let's let's get into Love Island.

So much to break down.

For those of you who don't remember, the last time we got to talk about this show was right before the standing on business challenge.

So much has changed since we talked about the show.

I mean, the entire cast is different.

I guess let's just start by addressing, obviously, Sierra is no longer in the villa.

She has been removed.

It's appropriate that she has been removed because obviously the things that were found out,

very ignorant and racially insensitive comments by Sierra.

So obviously it needed to be addressed.

It was very...

disappointing to see those posts from Sierra and obviously not okay and very insensitive and very ignorant.

I'd like to see Sierra have, you know, that's, it's again, she's in the villa right now and everyone's having all these comments about her intentions, who she is as a person, her family getting harassed, which again, her comments completely inappropriate, very ignorant and insensitive.

Hopefully, I mean, I'm assuming she's going to get out of the villa, address them appropriately, take responsibility for them.

You know, her friend who was running her account the whole time.

Not her friend.

She like, definitely not her friend.

I mean, she did like this whole Cosmo interview based on like how she's running her account.

And then

I think like before all the screenshots came out of what Sierra had said, I think I think her name is MJ, but she's making this TikTok being like, everyone's saying, you know, how are you going to, Sierra's going to be so pissed to find out how you're running her account?

And then she's like, you really think Sierra is going to give a fuck when she's at a million followers?

And it's like, right.

And then immediately she everyone's like,

oh, well, then we won't get her to a million.

No, it's clearly this person is not Sierra's real friend.

And also, like, again,

Sierra needs to take responsibility for these comments and completely inappropriate.

But who are the people that Sierra like

surrounds herself with?

You know, like, Sierra went into this show thinking it was okay to leave those posts up, still thinking, like, has no one corrected her?

Has no one seen those posts and said, you can't do that.

The most recent one was in 2023, where I'm guessing this girl running her account was friends with her in 2023.

So it was hard to see her friend immediately post a response kind of publicly disowning Sierra without having a conversation with her.

So not only is Sierra, you know, coming out to obviously all of this, but also to her friend, who she apparently had a lot of trust in to run her social media account being like, oh, I don't associate myself with you anymore.

What I would have loved to see from her friend is a post along the lines of Sierra said something.

I don't agree with it.

I don't condone it.

It's not okay.

Very inappropriate.

When she gets out of this villa, I cannot wait to have a conversation with her.

It'll be very important.

We need to get to the bottom of this.

I'm eager to have that conversation.

It's just that she immediately tried to distance herself from her so-called friend.

And again, like a real friend is someone who like holds their friend accountable, but like.

is willing to stand by their side, unless it turns out that there's like a lot of deeper hatred from Sierra that, you know, it's.

It was very much giving this is a transactional friendship.

And like the second it got where it could potentially hurt her career, she was like, Oh, no, no, I'm not involved.

Like, I don't associate myself with her.

I'm backing away from this friendship.

We're not friends.

I don't accept this.

Previously, like using her being the handler of her account as a way to get pressed for herself.

Clearly, this is a this

insensitive thing that she said was part of her vocabulary and something that she's used frequently.

No one in her circle has ever said, you can't say that.

Like, you can't talk that way.

I thought I saw, I may be incorrect, but I thought I saw someone

who saw it fabricated or if it's real, but they did find that somebody did correct her.

And she said, and she said, good thing I didn't use it in that context.

But then it was like, well, what was the context you used it in?

Right.

Because she did use it in a derogatory context.

Yeah.

So I think that's why, like, Bella posted what she posted about like how she was going to wait for Sierra to leave the villa and give her grace, but then she saw like more stuff coming out.

And I think she's referring possibly to that screenshot that came out

where she said, and I just can't.

And so she's unfollowed Sierra.

Well, I am eager to, I'm sure she gets her phone back.

any day now.

I'm like eager to hear, you know, her response and what she says, you know, to learn and grow from this and to not make this mistake mistake again oh she has good people around her i just wanted to say i was on the amaya train from the beginning you were yeah

it was nick was an og zach elan and brian all evil coming at her like right after finding like i loved the challenge brian didn't brian didn't brian was the one who defended her had her back yeah brian

brian defended her before she was the fan favorite i think you always have to remember in these shows just like in not like i think people do have to remember remember the psychology of these shows.

And like, I say this in general because this show has gotten so toxic.

And like, you know, listen, we love breaking down this show.

We love talking about and breaking down these scenes.

It's just like goes without saying.

I think it should be going out.

You know, these shows are edited and these people like show up to a very controlled social experiment.

They are cut off from their families, their support group.

They are in constant emotional fight or flight mode.

And they're doing this all for our entertainment.

Right.

And this is is why we always see how I always say, like in these types of environment, the house is the bully.

Right.

And yeah, it was crazy that those guys came after Amaya.

Like here is Amaya standing up there in the stand on business challenge.

And she immediately is, she's crying.

She's like, all right, received.

I hear your note.

You know, it's like getting dogpiled by three grown men.

Yeah, Austin was out of pocket for bringing it up.

And then, but like, and then Zach started to pile on, but like, that's what I'm saying.

It was Ace first and then Zach.

And it just exemplifies what I've been talking about, like high school, right?

Everyone is so afraid of standing out, like, right?

Because you're, you're, you're on an island.

You're by yourself.

No one really has any friends early on.

Every, all these friendships early on, I think now there's some genuine friendships, but even still, like, talk going back to Sierra, you know, we've seen all these emotional goodbyes.

Sierra's gone.

And I don't know, no one really acted upset.

Did they tell the group why she was gone?

It's unclear whether they knew why, but like it was like she was like, Yep, Sierra's gone.

I mean, Nick showed a little bit of like disappointment.

And then he was like, excited to be back with Alandria.

And that's fine.

I guess my point is it just exemplifies that there's like everyone's really alone.

These aren't real friendships.

You know what I'm saying?

Like it, they're, they're, they're friendships that are based off of both just trying to survive and get through it, right?

But there's no real loyalty.

There's really no history.

And so that's why you see these guys following Ace, because once one guy green lit something that they agree with, you know, and the next person, whoever it was, whether it was Ace or whatever, it gives them a sense that's okay to pile on.

And that's why you always, I always say the house is the bully.

I do think that we should recognize that, like, again, despite like, again, breaking down these scenes, the way people comment on these people as if they know they would do better in these environments is crazy.

Like it is not, these are not normal environments to subject yourself to.

And they're constantly being pushed.

And it's, it's, you know, I do think everyone in these, in the, in the villa deserves some kind of grace because things are edited, things are shown out of context.

That all being aside, that's why we love Amaya so much because despite everything I just described, she has always stood up for herself.

She's always stood up for other people.

She's never taken the bait to like put someone down and punch down.

She's never done that.

And that just speaks to her character because that's why so many people

on these shows, whether it's Love Island or The Bachelor,

when they're just part of the majority,

when they're part of the group and they all kind of join up and go after an outsider because it feels safer to do that, Amaya's never done that, not once.

Amaya said, if I can survive Love Island, I can survive die-skybing.

Die skyving?

I would die for her.

I would die skyping for her.

The Acolypse.

The Acopolyps, Tucky Kardick.

I love her.

She's incredible.

I give grace to all these people because again, in the environment they're put in, but you can really sometimes see exceptional people.

Could y'all think Amaya is an exceptional person?

Could y'all tell that everything switched for Amaya when the America likes you the most and least?

Oh, yeah, the switch-up from like Zach.

Like everyone started treating Amaya differently.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

It's like I loved the truth by Maybelline the challenge.

It was, it was great because it really humbled a lot of people.

But what it kind of also did was a little bit like change the game because everybody's playing this game so hard that it's like now they know, oh, Amaya's the front runner.

Yeah.

So it's like, now all of a sudden, Zach wants to kiss her again.

Where did his boundaries go?

Like, all of a sudden, Elan is interested.

You know what I mean?

And it's like, it almost like, yeah, the game

is almost like

turning into like this weird version of survivor.

Yeah.

I like the way they're now to see.

Like, yeah.

Yeah.

because I know a lot of people were saying that, like, Sierra standing behind Taylor was like strategic because she saw that Iris and TJ were a strong couple.

I definitely think that was fucked up on Sierra's part.

She like chose her man over her girls, which she even said, she was like, I definitely thought of Nick.

Like, I didn't, I knew he would be upset if his boy left.

And it's like, but your girl, Iris, who you allegedly like want to have this

three or whatever she, you know, she was like, Iris is my couple that I'd want to, whatever.

Like, and you're going to send her man home.

Like, no, none of these women stood behind Iris.

And it's like,

Huda has not liked Adrina.

Adrina and Huda have not liked each other, obviously, with the whole Jeremiah of it all.

I think that was a very girl's girl thing for Huda to do of like, no one standing behind Adrina.

Like, let me go and do this.

But then it felt like, I guess I get Alandria standing behind Austin.

That's her boy.

But it's like, again, you're just letting Austin, TJ go

when that's like, Iris, Iris has not had one fair shot in this villa, not once.

She got here, she got cussed out by Huda, and then she was like, America put her with Jeremiah.

That she, she fought on the front lines for that, that whole time.

And then to have that relationship be taken from her when Jeremiah gets sent home.

Then you have her like single again.

Oh, she couples up with TJ.

Oh, then Te Casa Amore.

She's with this guy, Zach, that she doesn't really fuck with.

Then she comes back to Casa.

She has three days with TJ, and then like he's sent home.

She's just gotten the short end of the stick every single time.

No, you're totally right.

And none of these women have rode for her the way she's rode for them.

Iris has proven to be one of the most sincere people on the villa, and she's been just, she's always been likable, but she's really proven to be like a high, a high-character person.

Like Iris saved Huda

when it was Huda and Jalen.

Oh, it was Jalen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And Jalen was her bombshell brother.

Yeah, I don't mind Alandria

going for Austin because like, you know, again, maybe they have like a nice friendship, but like he had no one else riding for him.

And I felt like at least that was for Austin as opposed to Sierra didn't even, Sierra did it for Nick.

Yeah.

She did it for Nick's approval.

You know what I'm saying?

And that's, that's why it was so kind of ugh.

Like that's her lasting, I feel that's like her lasting impression in the villa.

It was also a hard challenge to watch in general.

Like,

who likes you the least and most, you know, like putting Taylor and Clark at the end for everything.

I'm sure it like really fucked with their mental health a lot of just being like, what the fuck have I done?

Like, why am I least?

Yeah.

I feel really bad for Clark.

She's done nothing

wrong.

Nothing wrong.

Like, Taylor, not my boy, but Clark, like, is literally just there to find love.

And, like, honestly, Taylor seems to really like Clark.

And even Alandria is saying in this past episode, like, was she happy to see them last?

Yes, because she's petty.

But then like, she was like, no, they actually seem like really happy together.

And her, and she was like, my issue was just the way Taylor handled the situation with me.

Taylor thought he ate without, if you're going to make me choose right now, I will choose Clark.

Yeah.

Alandria has a right to be petty in that moment.

We've all been petty when we've been rejected by someone right in front of our face around our peers.

It's a shitty feeling.

Like, we've all been petty in that moment.

She has the right to be in that in that moment.

And we've all, like, and she's going to realize that she probably would have never liked Taylor to begin with, but like, he was the only one available to her that she liked him the most in a group of people that she probably wouldn't really like all that much.

So I don't fault that at all.

Natalie and I are a little bit on different ends of the spectrum here, but back to the stand-on business challenge between Huda.

versus Shelly.

It was mostly Shelly, but Alandria and Shelly and Sierra.

I at least understood where Huda was coming from.

I, do I think they were mean girls to her?

Yes.

It definitely felt like a pile on.

It felt, you know, Alandria like trying to air out the kiss in that moment.

That felt messy.

Like it definitely did feel a little bully mean girl.

But I will say Huda cannot say that she's taken accountability and she regrets and she has remorse for the way that she acted in that challenge with Ace and then ask the question, frame it the way that she did to Shelly, which was in quotes, like, how can you say it's just a challenge and then get mad at me when it's just a challenge?

And it's like, well, I thought you understood.

I thought you were taking accountability.

I thought you felt bad for it.

Like, why you could ask that question in a completely different way if you actually had remorse and you were taking accountability.

And I didn't feel like she did.

Well, I feel like the reason that she said that she wrote that was because Shelly wouldn't talk to her still up until this point.

And Huda has still not been able to to have a conversation where she like gets to ask.

And it's the stand-on business challenge where everybody's asking these things that they like haven't had the chance to say face to face.

And so Huda's using this as an opportunity to have this conversation with Shelly.

Well, and she's asking the question.

And then once Shelly clarified it, she was like, listen, I'm sorry.

Like, I am sorry.

And then they still, and then I think what really like did it for Huda was when Alandrea

said that she kissed Chris.

And then all of a sudden, Huda was like, How dare you?

Like, I've been, I've tried to have your backs.

Like, I do think Huda could have pulled Shelly before this stand on business for a chat.

It's not like Shelly was like, don't talk to me, don't talk to me, don't talk to me.

The night of, she was like, Hey, I'm really high on my emotions right now.

I don't want to have like an aggravated conversation.

Let's talk tomorrow.

And Huda being the one who fucked up, it is in her place, in her shoes, to go to Shelly and be like, Hey, are you ready now?

Because she was the one who did something.

She was in the wrong.

So she does need to chase.

If she wants an accepted apology, she does need to be the one to confront Shelly again.

And we never saw a clip of her trying to pull Shelly or trying to ask Shelly for another chat and Shelly being like, no, no, she specifically said, yeah, she specifically said that I'm going to wait for her to come to me.

They were both telling other people, like, I'm going to wait for her to come to me.

When Huda was like,

would it help if I was ugly?

Oh, my God.

Oh, yeah.

What?

What did that mean?

That was crazy.

Can we unpack that?

here's how i see it and this is why it's just like maybe it's just not fair but it's like it's the line with great power comes great responsibility i look at shelly and i see this emotional mature classy person

who honestly it's just like she's almost like too mature for this group right

and she seems like someone who really is good at just processing her emotions and huda is time and time again seems to be really poor at that.

Right.

So, I guess, in this moment, why it kind of gives a little mean girl, because while like Huda has been more self-centered than most and more selfish than most, she seems very reactive.

And that's, that doesn't make it okay.

But I, I feel like Huda can't help herself.

I feel like right now she's like stuck in this like, again, science experiment.

And she's, I see more of an effort of Huda trying to figure out what she's doing wrong in real time and having a hard time figuring it out.

Where Shelly,

she seems like, and maybe this isn't fair.

Like maybe this is like a double standard because I feel like, because like if it seems like Shelly's more in control of her emotions.

And so it seemed like she was arguing semantics with Huda.

Where like, I feel like, you know, and it's just as if like, back to like them saying they're never real, really, real friends.

It's like, I feel like they're pretending to be friends with Huda.

And in the real world, I think they would otherwise be like, I just don't fuck with this person.

And then finally, the person they don't really fuck with kept doing annoying shit and like kept kind of like making it about them and saying things like, if I were ugly, you know, there's like Huda just Hudas.

And I think they're just kind of, they, you know, Shelly just decided that she was done with Huda and then started and then made a thing about her going after a guy, Chris.

That's what I didn't get.

It's just like.

You've been with Ace the whole time and now you want to explore Ace, but Ace can't do anything.

And it just, it just, it felt like Shelly decided to have a problem with what Huda was doing rather than she really had a problem with it.

But she decided to make that the thing that she went after Huda for.

Does that make sense?

Like,

I see why Shelly's mad at her and she has every right to be mad at her.

And like, and Huda can't get out of her own way.

But I just feel like Shelly's way more in control of her emotions.

And that's why it just kind of feels a little wrong.

I think it read to me like Huda finally, Huda did something specific that they could pinpoint just not liking her in general on I agree with you and that was kind of where that came from I want to know when they

the timeline of them asking America those questions for the Maybelline challenge because there's no way that Zach after his stand-on business the way he attacked Demaya there's no way that America likes TJ less than they like him Like the fact that TJ was on the chopping block over the two new guys guys is like like Elon and Zach.

It's shocking.

I think

that there were two different, no, I think that there were two different voting sessions, honestly.

I think what happened was there was, yeah, it's confusing.

I think that the favorite islander was probably in a different timeline than all the other questions because, yeah, based on what you're saying, I feel like also Clark would have been in the bottom.

Yeah, it kind of didn't make sense that like Clark was on the bottom of all these other votes, but then she wasn't even in the bottom three of Favorite Islander.

I really think that they were two different.

Like I think that the Maybelline challenge was like one set of things and then they just kind of like used the two, like combined it as a dumping.

I also think Zach, because he was coupled up with Amaya, got a lot of like sympathy votes because of him being coupled up with Amaya versus like if it was before no, because people would have wanted him gone

for Amaya.

Well, I feel like there was at one point where people were vote.

Oh, I guess it was the couple votes that they got moved up, like the vacation one, whatever, because obviously everyone loves Amaya.

And because Zach was in that couple, like it just happened that he was at the top of that one.

Like the favorite couple you would want to go on vacation with or something.

Yeah.

It's just crazy that we're not going to get movie night.

I mean, we don't know 100%.

Ariana was on Aftersun and kind of asked, like, what can we expect going forward?

And she was like, oh.

We have another recoupling and like families.

And it's like, well, I mean, what's the point of moving it at this point?

There's no real,

one.

There was one closed-off couple.

She's now gone.

And it would really only be like drama within the friend groups.

It would be like stuff they said about the other people behind their backs.

But now even like Sierra is gone from that friend group.

So that dynamic's already rocky.

It's just like now they almost have to like, there's no established couples.

It's like now we're rooting for Amaya and Brian.

It's really Amaya and whoever she wants to be.

Iris and Pepe.

Iris and Pepe.

It's like, yeah, sure, because we both like Pepe and Iris individually.

So it's like, okay, cool.

Pepe, like, legit.

I loved him from the beginning.

Definitely, he's upfront.

He's honest.

He doesn't play games.

He's not a follower.

Love Pepe.

Nick and Elandria.

No.

But like, am I the only Nick and Alandria in the family?

The Nick and Elandria thing is it's like, you know,

the fan, they try.

It's like.

It makes me overjoyed.

Now it's feeling real like.

Very happy.

Now it's feeling really like

they understand the assignment.

But honestly.

It's produced.

It's feeling produced.

I disagree honestly like with

before whenever they were coupled up before they were both like oh i have taylor in the back of my mind and he's like oh i have sierra in the back of my mind and it's like

okay so now i get taylor's in a whole new connection but sierra was kicked out so what elandre's just gonna like make out with her man it's not like sierra chose someone else I think they know why Sierra got kicked out.

I think

they definitely told them because when Hanna, like the way they reacted when Hannah left the villa versus like Sierra getting kicked out, if producers didn't tell them what was going on, they would have like a very different reaction.

Well, see, that, yeah, that's the thing is that, like,

the context really matters because right now, the way that I feel is like, Alandria, this is your girl.

Like, you guys were best friends, and like, she's out there still.

Like, I don't know why she left.

If she left for a person,

you're just going to go in to save Nick.

But I don't get being like, I'm still wanting to explore this.

It's like, why do you want to see that?

I think they've liked each other the entire time.

I just don't know if there was no whole time for the production to explain in context fully why Sierra was removed.

You know what I mean?

I think that they probably said like something resurfaced from her past and we had to remove her.

Exactly, right?

So that's what I'm saying.

Like, you don't think that if these friendships were actually real and genuine, you don't think they would still be upset?

No, I don't know because I feel like some of these handler producers are you know real buddy buddy with cast they like to be a little messy they like to spill some tea and i bet that a lot of them were like you want to get like bet like listen to what sierra did i bet they i bet they all know what she said what she said and and i bet they were like when you come out of this villa you're gonna want to distance yourself from her like that's probably like for them in their heads they're probably like well we want like We don't want this to happen to us when we come out of the villa.

So we're not going to like, I don't know.

I don't know what they know in the villa all i know is i'm so i've been team nick and ilandrea when i thought i was being delusional so i'm very happy about this and i want them to win i want to believe it's real but like at this point it just feels produced and and this this this season just really turned into a mess you know i'm in i'm in i mean i'm locked in we're enjoying every episode but i just i wish there were more people to root for more relationships you know the ppg they're all three they're those three three relationships are all still going strong.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I really think that Nick and Alandria,

I think Nick likes Alandria a lot more than he likes Sierra.

Well, I would believe that in the sense that I don't know how into Sierra he was.

Yeah.

I just feel like Nick is just a very charming kind of 20, he's a fuck, you know, he's in his fuckboy era.

And that's not even like a criticism.

It's just more like he's, I don't think that man should be settling down anytime soon.

The fact that America thought he was like one of the best boyfriend materials, it's just like maybe like in the future, but he just doesn't look, he just, he's not giving, I'm ready to settle down and date right now.

I think like with Sierra, he wasn't.

I think with Alanda, like when he literally say, like, is saying to Alandria, like, you make me feel like I'm, like I'm a man.

No, I know, but it's like a little boy having a crush on.

I just feel like Alandria, I feel like Nick is beneath Alandria.

I don't, I just don't think.

I think he's the best person for her in this villa.

Yeah, I definitely think she chose, she chose right, being that her other two options were Zach and Elon and like no to both of them.

She obviously does have a friendship and a bond with Nick.

And I think it's totally okay and totally fair for them to be like, hey, we're saving each other.

Maybe a bombshell comes in the future for one of us.

But like the fact that both of them are being like, we're still open to exploring each other.

I still am open to getting to know you more and like seeing if it's still, that's bonkers to me.

I think they've been into each other.

No, I think that they, I think that they're, I, I, I agree with Mary in the sense that I think that the two of them like had a thing.

Um, and then, you know, Alandria had Taylor still and Nick had Sierra.

And I think that also Alandria was a little bit worried about like how that would be for her friendship with Sierra.

And Nick was worried about how that would be for his friendship with Taylor.

And so

I think that, you know, that definitely got in their way.

I think that the difference between how Nick looks when he's talking to Alandria versus how he looked when he was talking to Sierra's night and day.

I just wonder, I really wonder what they were told about Sierra's exit because the fact that they're both able to move on this quickly,

Alandrea having been so close with Sierra's friends, and then Nick having been closed off with her, talking about like, what does closed off mean here versus on the outside, which is a crazy conversation in and of itself.

I actually think Natalie got it right.

I think producers told the, I think the show, quote unquote, like, I think their formal meeting, they didn't get much detail.

And I bet it was on one of their off days.

Individual producers

had one-on-one conversations, and they probably liked it.

It was like, Hey, I'm not supposed to tell you this.

Nick went to his handler and was like, Please, like, what happened?

And they were like, All right, I bet that, I bet that's how it all went down.

But, big fans, I mean, listen, there's a bunch of people on this cast I'm excited to get a chance to talk to and meet.

And Iris, and Pepe, and Amaya, Alandria, Shelly.

I mean, even like, you know, as much as we criticized Ace in his whole like five, his 5'10, like, he's very charming and very funny at times.

And, like, I just.

I mean, him saying he went to a good high school and then sleeping on a beach chair.

Like clearly this man has survived a lot in his life.

He's lived a lot of life.

And that is someone I'm interested in getting to know.

And I will say, like, like a casting like cheat sheet for reality TV competition, love competitions is they cast giants.

They do.

So for Ace, who is not a tall man, to be casted on this show and to dominate and really be the focal point

shows the strength of his personality.

And yeah, he's been a little strategic.

He's gotten on our nerves at times by kind of manipulating

the house a little bit.

But

most people couldn't pull off what Ace is pulling off because, again, it is very intimidating to, you know, we all know the girlies like the tall guys.

That's why they cast tall men because like in a, in a, in a short period of time, casting people know that like you can have a six face, but as long as he's 6'3, he's hot, you know, and he stands out, you know?

So, for Ace to be able to be such a big personality, you know, he's.

I mean, he doesn't admit that he's short, but yeah.

I know, he doesn't admit it, but I'm just saying, like, props to, you know, it just, I think that's, those are things to consider in an environment, like this is a social experiment in a closed off environment, and you're seeing all these different dynamics, you know, and I, you know, like it's fun to nitpick and break down these scenes, but I think we have to like try to point out some of these people's strengths rather than give reminders of giving people grace and realizing we're all humans.

All right.

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