E958 - Love Island USA’s Hannah, Paul Scheer, The Valley, Love Island Dumpings, and McBee Dynasty

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Speaker 2 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

Speaker 2 I am your host, Nick, and boy, everyone in America is pissed at the producers of Love Island. We will definitely get into it.
So much to talk about.

Speaker 2 We have a very special guest, Paul Scheer, returns to the Vile Files. He was on a long time ago during COVID.
Actor, comedian, been on many shows, starred in the show The League,

Speaker 2 very popular show, very funny guy. He's watching Love Island.
He's also very deep into the Karen Reed case, the Sherry Papini case.

Speaker 2 We'll talk about some true crime and the true crime that is the Love Island producers right now coming up shortly. Lots to get into.

Speaker 2 Obviously, many of you have already heard the Jeremiah Going Deeper episode. If you are living under a rock, it is out yesterday.
Check it out. Sadly, my wife wife Natalie was not there.

Speaker 2 Obviously, things move fast in Love Island. She was on a business trip.
She was guest starring on The Toast. And I, as a husband of my wife Natalie, was very proud of my wife.

Speaker 2 I, you know, I think we're the best show in town, but I have mad respect for the women of The Toast. They are OGs.
They've been crushing the podcast game long before I even started.

Speaker 2 And I think it's... I'm very flattered.
And I think it's very cool that my wife was asked to host The Toast. I thought it was pretty amazing.
So if you haven't heard that, check it out.

Speaker 2 Go listen to it. But sadly, she couldn't join us for the Jeremiah episode.
I hope I handled myself well without her. But it was, did you have fun talking with Jackie?

Speaker 6 I did. I had fun.
I was very nervous, very anxious going into it. I know the toasters, you know, they have high expectations and they're, they can be, you know, a little opinionated.

Speaker 6 It's a very

Speaker 2 organized and very passionate audience.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But, you know, it's Claudia and Jackie.

Speaker 6 They have their dynamic. They have their dynamic.
So I was very nervous stepping in, especially stepping into the shoes of Claudia, like big, big, big shoes to like try to even come close to filling.

Speaker 6 But I had so much fun. Jackie is such a sweetheart.
And I feel like my ability to not do math has bitten me in the ass because she was like, oh, you and Nick have an age gap.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, yeah, 18 years. She's like, so how old were you when you met him? I'm like, 21.
She's like, how old was Nick? And I'm like, fast math. Like, how fucking dare you? First of all.

Speaker 6 So like, that's rude. Give me a second to calculate it.
I'm like, he was 37. I think, I think, followed the 37.
And now everyone's like, well, if I do the math, that means you were 19 years old.

Speaker 6 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 I know I was 21. I was present in my body currently in that time period.
So I do know that I was 21 years old. Now, Nick.

Speaker 2 Natalie, when Natalie uses her fingers to do simple addition, just to like, not to call out my wife, but like, it's, it's.

Speaker 6 How do you count? Yeah. No, I don't.
I go pointer finger as one.

Speaker 2 You know, if she needs to add three to four, she's using fingers.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I'm like, three, four.
Okay, perfect. Wait, was that two? You might as well.
That's what they're doing. They're there for.
Literally, they're there for a reason. You might as well use them.

Speaker 6 They are called digits. Yeah, they are called digits.
Yeah, no, anyway, so Nick, he was not 37. He was 38.

Speaker 6 And then a couple weeks later turned 39. We met right before my birthday.
Yes. Now that I have had a moment to think about it and do the math calculations properly.
He gives a fuck.

Speaker 6 Honestly, we're married with a child. We, you know, almost had two itches.
It just isn't.

Speaker 2 On the toast, which most of you couldn't even handle that kind of pressure. She was also performing surgeries when I met her.

Speaker 6 Thanks, baby. Suck your hair.

Speaker 6 Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 What is just like,

Speaker 6 you get caught up in the moment. The math was not, you know, I was put on the spot.
I didn't, I don't, yeah. So, but other than that, I do believe it was a very great experience.

Speaker 6 I am very sad to have missed Jeremiah because I did want to see his face in front of my face through a very beautiful man.

Speaker 2 He's handsome.

Speaker 2 It's breathtaking. And I was really impressed.
I mean, like, I, you know, I think America loves him right now. Everyone feels he got screwed over, but, you know, go listen to the episode.

Speaker 2 But I really, you know, I wasn't like drilling him with questions, but like he's well spoken. He's thoughtful.
He's considerate.

Speaker 2 He's got a face that could allow him to take advantage of, you know, of life. And he seems to be very conscience and wanting to hold himself accountable.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 Maybe you guys will think differently. Check out the episode if you haven't already.
Share your thoughts, obviously, in the comments of what you thought.

Speaker 2 We won't be reading them anyways, but like comment away, like have some discourse. Well, I won't.

Speaker 6 I don't read the comments.

Speaker 2 Also, joining us this episode, Hannah from Love Island joins us to talk about her exit and everything she experienced at the villa. I need big headline.

Speaker 6 Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom broke up.

Speaker 2 Guess he couldn't get over the space trip.

Speaker 6 No one saw that coming. Oh my God.
Wait, I think it was

Speaker 6 less of the space trip and more of like the farting and shitting on stage.

Speaker 2 She farts and shits on stage.

Speaker 6 Wait, she has a whole like toilet with like poop coming out of it. And then she like.
Excuse me? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Honestly, the clips from that tour is the most bizarre thing ever that I guess I could see how one gets together. That's true.
She like opens her legs and drops things between her legs.

Speaker 6 It's like a fake poop. It's like a puppet poop.

Speaker 6 a puppet poop yeah yeah there's like not big there's a big toilet on her stage turd with a face that comes out it's like a puppet yeah poop yeah so i feel like baby's off where she literally shits no it's a it's no she's sitting on like the rolls of toilet paper and like there's a giant toilet next to her with a giant puppet turd coming out with a face did you see the orlando did you see the like his morning meditations and his his his seances where it was like at least she doesn't have to hear this anymore everyone has their quirks you know i know you you know, two beautiful people.

Speaker 2 I'm sure they'll both be fine. We wish them nothing but the best.

Speaker 6 Right. Yeah.
Truly. But Red Lobster's got a big comeback.
Never been. I'm excited about this.
See, Red Lobster.

Speaker 2 Maybe I'll come back for the first time. I don't know.
I think

Speaker 6 didn't

Speaker 6 Flavor Flavor Flav it? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, Flavor Flav, when they first filed for bankruptcy, was the first to be like, this cannot happen.

Speaker 2 And it seems like the Darden family, they own, I believe,

Speaker 2 Red Lobster. I only know that because as an employee of the Olive Garden in college, I I had to watch like about the Olive Garden Company.
And I learned how to that Red Lobster and Olive Garden.

Speaker 6 Your training video? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was like, yeah, were you a waiter?

Speaker 6 You were a waiter, right? I was. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Nick, if you go to Red Lobster, I already know you're going to be obsessed with the biscuits.

Speaker 6 No, they literally make it.

Speaker 6 They're in the freezer section at the grocery store. We don't need to save red lobster for the biscuits.
No, but the fried

Speaker 2 grocery store.

Speaker 2 I used to always fight with the assistant manager at the Olive Garden because the rule of thumb for the unlimited breadsticks was if it was a four-top, you give them five breadsticks, like how many people you have plus one more.

Speaker 2 And I would just be like, here's nine breadsticks. I don't know.
Just eat the fucking bread. It's unlimited.
Like, you know, and

Speaker 2 they constantly scold me that I was giving away too much bread. And I'd never listen.

Speaker 6 You said it's unlimited. They're just going to ask for more anyway.

Speaker 2 It's unlimited, man. Like,

Speaker 6 what are we doing here? Five? It's not a limited. So what is

Speaker 6 the breadsticks?

Speaker 2 They hired the former CEO of PF Changs, who like is like 35 years old. It's like some boy genius, anyway.

Speaker 6 So, what is the big comeback of Red Lobster? Uh, that they're offering now seafood boil bags, which love those. Uh, Sangrio flights and $5 drinks hit the menu.
So, they're just

Speaker 6 giving what the people are asking for. The boil bag I want.
The boil bag we're looking for. I think they're just trying to get it.
You can get that on Amazon. What?

Speaker 5 You can get a boil bag on Amazon.

Speaker 6 On Amazon. Yes, you can.
No, it's like a seafood boil, like where they put like uh lobster sprint potatoes corn spices cajun just and i are going on a date i've never had it but i want it yeah

Speaker 2 good luck wish i hope y'all return i don't know i don't i don't the only the only restaurant like that that i with is sizzler oh sizzler is good though they have like a seven dollar steak but the cheese toast no yeah you just have some a1 steak sauce that's the only like i love a1 steak sauce but as a steak snob like if you're cooking a good enough steak you don't put steak sauce on it but like so like sizzler is my excuse to like have A1 sauce.

Speaker 6 I was just going to say, we all have our gross things and let red lobster be ours and Sizzler can be yours.

Speaker 2 Well, Justin Baldoni is not revising his claims against Blake Lively after the $400 million lawsuit was dismissed, even though his lawyer came out guns ablazing, being like, well, we can still file.

Speaker 2 And all the Justin stands were like, no, no, no, this doesn't mean anything. He can still file.
Well, it turns out because they don't have a case at all, they're actually not going to re-file.

Speaker 2 And I feel like the truth is starting to reveal itself. This is all just a PR stunt to like just, you know, beat down Blake Lively and her team.
But we'll see. I think it goes to court in early 2026.

Speaker 2 But yeah, looks like he won't be re-filing that what I believe to be a bullshit retaliation move.

Speaker 6 But hey. I guess we'll see.

Speaker 6 I mean, on the topic of Blake Lively, Taylor swift and travis kelsey made their red carpet debut at the opening night of his tight end university oh which is this this is the first time they've been

Speaker 2 tight end university is that really it's going to become an event it's meant it was meant to be like they'd bring all like the tight ends from around the league to like mentor them coach them up like it was like a well it was held at jason aldine's bar in nashville the red carpet i imagine is like a backdrop there is a red carpet it's it's

Speaker 6 not like a stereotypical Hollywood red carpet, but the carpet's red.

Speaker 6 I'm just like, do they need to make a red carpet debut when they like made out in the middle of like the stadium after he won the Super Bowl?

Speaker 6 Like, I feel like that's like, that would take pretty much. Well, I guess it's just the first time they're on a red carpet together.
Standing on it.

Speaker 5 For like a gala or something.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's the same thing with like Timothy and Kylie, you know, like they were at a scene at every event together kissing and stands and doing this and that.

Speaker 6 And then the second they like walked the red carpet together, it was like, oh my God, they're actually a couple.

Speaker 6 It's like, y'all didn't get that from like them making out watching a tennis match like what the last like three years what was the first red carpet that you guys were on together was it the mtv

Speaker 6 what was natalie's debut it was the mtv uh unscripted awards hosted by nikki glazer yeah yeah it's when i sat at the same table as snookie and jaywow and was like freaking the yeah

Speaker 2 like it was her armpits were sweating she was so nervous that she wrote the cast of jersey shore and i was like really like no disrespect to that you know uh iconic group of of people.

Speaker 2 I just, I didn't watch it back in the day, so I, I wasn't as excited, but Nally was losing her goddamn mind.

Speaker 6 And I remember Nick was like, he like, he like stepped away from me so that they could take solo shots.

Speaker 6 And all the paparazzi was kind of giving what they did to James Charles, where no one was really clicking. They were just like waiting for me to move along the carpet, you know?

Speaker 6 Little did they know

Speaker 6 that she'd be hosting

Speaker 2 toast.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm telling you guys, you know, watch out.

Speaker 2 Nally's on her path to be a big, big star.

Speaker 6 So I can just. I honestly am scared.
It just means more haters. And like, I just, I can't take it, you know.

Speaker 6 When you are a big star and people come to an event of yours, are you going to ignore them or are you going to pay attention to your fans? I mean, I would hope that I would pay attention to my fans.

Speaker 6 I believe you're talking about Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell.

Speaker 6 Here's the thing. Speaking about Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell.

Speaker 2 If you've, if you've saw me in the wild, like, I really go out of my way. I really, I hope I have good reactions.

Speaker 2 Natalie, I've always been aware of this, but like, my, my resting gaze is unflattering. My, my resting bitch face is terrible.

Speaker 6 No, your resting bitch face is what it is. It is a resting bitch face.
You know, it doesn't have to be terrible.

Speaker 2 Even when I talk, Natalie says I look grump. I just, I have a grumpy demeanor.

Speaker 6 Sometimes I'll be out in public and I'm like, you look like you actually fucking hate my guts. So I need you to just walk around with me.
Listen, I just have an ear to ear, introverted demeanor.

Speaker 2 I'm just like, I'm not,

Speaker 2 I'm a judgy person. Anyway, like, there's a reason why the vile fouls hasn't gone on the road.
And this is a reason why I don't do meet and greets.

Speaker 2 And someday I hope that we do like some kind of like live event. And, and when I do, it'll, I will be amped up and ready to fucking go.

Speaker 2 But like, what I don't do is shit I know that I'm like, no, I'm not naturally good at. And it's just like, no, like, just don't do this shit.

Speaker 2 And for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell, they did like an autograph session where they sat at a table and fans came up, took pictures, yada, yada.

Speaker 2 And usually like, you know, when I did a, when I wrote my book and I did a book signing, you're like, you want to have a small conversation, even if it's like 15 seconds with each person, ask me a few questions, like.

Speaker 2 try to get to know them, like personalize the interaction and then like, you know, take a picture.

Speaker 2 You know, apparently Miley and Naomi were just like talking with each other, signing the books and just like not even interacting with the fans, which is like, obviously, is going to come across a certain way.

Speaker 2 And listen, I get it.

Speaker 2 Like maybe like there's a lot of like celebrities out there who are introverted, who like are anxious and like are not good at social interactions because like, listen, fans can be kind of weird, you know, and they can, they can ask uncomfortable questions, but don't do that shit if you're not good at it, you know?

Speaker 2 Like you don't need the money.

Speaker 6 I feel like Miley Cyrus would be good at it. That's why I'm a little shocked by this.

Speaker 6 And maybe she just hadn't seen Naomi Campbell in a while and she was like, oh my God, we have so much to catch up on. Maybe she got caught.
Yeah, maybe she just got a crazy thing.

Speaker 6 Maybe it was like we like they realized that they should have gotten maybe a dinner beforehand or like a coffee beforehand to catch up and get that out of the way.

Speaker 6 I do think Miley, though, care.

Speaker 6 Like, you remember when she just had her thing where people bought tickets to see her speak at a panel, but they thought that they were buying concert tickets, and then they were like heckling her and begging her to sing some of her songs.

Speaker 6 And then she, like, she did. Like, she sang.

Speaker 2 I'm team Miley there. I think that was whoever was running the event their fault.
I think

Speaker 2 that's a good thing.

Speaker 6 Kaleo's point, that does prove that, like, she, she's not that. She cares about her family.

Speaker 6 She does give yeah like if that were me i would have been like i'm not singing like y'all came to a talking panel i haven't done my like voice yeah maybe exercises i'm not prepared you know but miley was like you know what i'll give it to you and she gave them what the climb

Speaker 6 Like she didn't just give them a we can't stop. She gave them the climb.
Iconic. Right, right.
The best one.

Speaker 2 Is this story coming from like a 10-second video?

Speaker 6 Well, she like seemingly has spoken out about the backlash. She said she added a a photo of herself with Naomi and

Speaker 6 like a bunch of videos of like, I loved catching up with you last night, girl. Let's do it again.

Speaker 6 Yeah, she wrote, Our vinyl was originally set to drop a week later, but since we were both in London, Rough Trade East made it happen day of.

Speaker 6 Her caption began, I wanted to gift my smilers an exclusive experience, an unreleased vinyl, to thank you for the love you've shown me in the UK over the years.

Speaker 6 I saw so many familiar faces and met some sweet new ones.

Speaker 2 Is this story originating from like a 10-second clip or are there multiple accounts of like them ignoring fans for the entire length of this event?

Speaker 6 I only saw one video.

Speaker 2 So this could be coming from one salty fan.

Speaker 6 She's saying that the record store requested no photos due to the unexpected last-minute turnout. That makes sense.

Speaker 6 Okay, so the one person, Miley, like turned to Naomi and was like, hey, girl, you have like a little spinach in your tooth. And then they were talking about how she has a spinach in her tooth.

Speaker 6 And then it was one fan.

Speaker 2 You know, I changed my mind. I apologize for any of the criticism or anything I said that's felt like criticism.
I feel like, yeah, I feel like this is a handful of fans salty interaction.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's in one particularly awkward clip from her lives.

Speaker 6 One particular, yeah, okay. No,

Speaker 6 we shouldn't have even talked about it, honestly. We gave him, we gave him

Speaker 6 air we didn't need to give. Sorry, Mike.
I wish I had that back.

Speaker 2 Paul's here. Let's uh bring in Paul.
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Speaker 3 What's up, man? How you doing?

Speaker 2 Good, man. Good to see you.

Speaker 3 Good to see you, too. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 Thanks for being there. Sorry, we couldn't be there in person.
and we are off site, but thanks for coming in. It's great to talk to you again virtually.

Speaker 2 We're excited to get into everything we're about to talk about, but I just want to check in with you. Like, how's life? How have you been?

Speaker 3 I've been good. It's so funny.
I feel like I saw you for such a long time in a short period of time, but then it's been a while since I've seen you. I still have not seen you in person.

Speaker 3 But yeah, things are good. You know, I got kids.
Work is good. I'm right now solo daddy because my wife has been away shooting a show.

Speaker 3 So that has been well intense and i was actually gonna bring that up natalie took a work trip the other you know this past two days and i was solo dadding for for only 48 hours shout out to the single parents out there oh my god i have such i mean look i grew up my parents were divorced and i had a mom and a dad that were both taking turns But man, oh man, I always have respect.

Speaker 3 But once you do it, I've been doing it since March.

Speaker 3 It is intense.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's since March.

Speaker 2 You love your kids and all, but like, you just, you can't, when they're up, you can't like really focus on anything else.

Speaker 3 No, you are just full in. It's like, it's when you have a kid, you're like, your anxiety is always going to be a little bit like raised because you have to be responsible for another human being.

Speaker 3 And then when you are solo parenting, it never drops. Like, there are moments where I'm like, oh, if I sleep in, June will get this, but there's no other person looking out.

Speaker 3 So I feel like my anxiety is so high. So when she comes home, I like, it just like, I feel like I've been hit by a Mac truck.

Speaker 6 I'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 3 For the first time, I can relax.

Speaker 2 When June gets back,

Speaker 2 are you going to be like, all right, I need to check out for like 48 hours and get some me time?

Speaker 3 No, I can't do that.

Speaker 6 But like,

Speaker 3 yeah, I mean, I just, yeah, but, but here's the thing. I, when she's home, I'm also excited because we have the family back together and it's great to have the family back together.
But yeah, no,

Speaker 3 there's no like, now I got to check out. Yeah.

Speaker 6 No goals. Oh, no.

Speaker 6 Danny left for a week. And when he got back, I was like, I am not changing a diaper for the next 24 hours.
I am not waking up. I'm not doing anything.
Like, this kid is yours.

Speaker 3 You see, June is really good because she definitely lets me sleep in when she gets back, which is. that you know and by the way sleeping in now as we all know it's 630.

Speaker 3 yeah exactly right it's like like somebody asked me how my day was. I'm like, my day is, it's 9 a.m.
right now. I'm like, I've been up.
I've done stuff.

Speaker 6 Life is,

Speaker 3 life has happened. And to remember when life hasn't happened before 9 a.m., it's like,

Speaker 3 it's really crazy.

Speaker 2 I took, I took River to the grocery store yesterday to try to get some groceries before Natalie got back. And River decided that she did not want to ride in the grocery cart.

Speaker 2 And I had to carry her the entire time.

Speaker 6 And it wasn't like a little.

Speaker 2 It was a screaming if I put her in the cart. And like when you have a screaming child in a public area, you're like, please stop screaming.

Speaker 6 It looks like a child. I'm a good parent.
Like, please stop. No, yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, a lot of my work is just convincing people in public that I am a good parent.

Speaker 2 Have you had your kids

Speaker 2 come home and you realize they learned about a topic from like a friend that you were like not prepared for them to learn?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. I mean, my son came home from school this year.
He sat me down and he's like, dad, can I talk to you about something? And I was like, yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 And he's like, You, you want to sit down for this?

Speaker 6 I was like, Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 I was like, Okay. And he's like,

Speaker 3 Do you know about the Holocaust?

Speaker 3 And I go, Yeah, he goes, Pretty rough. I was like, Yeah, like, but my son is like trying to teach me about the Holocaust.
And I was like, And that was intense. I was like, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, so he's always dropping stuff on me. He's bringing a lot of heat.
And then, you know, nothing, he's only 11 and the other one's eight. So nothing overtly like sexual.

Speaker 3 Every now and then he might say, well, actually he did say this. He goes, what's 69 mean?

Speaker 3 And that I really avoided.

Speaker 6 I just said it's a, it's a sexual position. It's a number before 70.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you knew it was something with sex. So I have to like address that it is sex, but I think his knowledge of what sex is is also vague.
So I just try to keep it vague. Everything is vague.

Speaker 6 Have you had the birds and the bees conversation with him yet, or does that come later?

Speaker 3 No, you know, my wife is actually amazing because

Speaker 3 I think that she was very open about saying, when you have a question, we will talk about it.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 3 my want is to do that. It's not, it's always a little bit uncomfortable, but it actually has been really great because

Speaker 3 she will just go there. And it's not, it's, it's kind of like, I'm sharing with you information and here it is.
Yeah, it's neutral.

Speaker 3 And, and I feel like because of that, we've opened ourselves up to a lot more conversations. They're aware of things, but they're not like deeply aware of it.

Speaker 3 And they know to come to us with questions.

Speaker 3 Like, my wife was like, You need to talk to him about pornography and how, if he wants to watch it, where he can watch it, and what, and we have to do ethically sourced.

Speaker 3 And I was like, Oh, I don't even know how to find ethically sourced. You know, so now I'm doing research on how to find, you know, ethically sourced pornography.

Speaker 3 And she's like, It was easier for you back in your day, you could have magazines now. So, like, so we're trying to have these conversations.
We're just trying to be prepared.

Speaker 6 We want to be parents that actually

Speaker 6 like biblical sect, no,

Speaker 6 um,

Speaker 6 um,

Speaker 6 how do you

Speaker 6 figure it out?

Speaker 3 It's not like going to Whole Foods. Yeah, you know, it's like,

Speaker 6 this is all my search history. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Then your wife's like, what the fuck were you doing? And you're like, no, no, I was teaching him as research. I promise it was research.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so it's like, it is a constant.

Speaker 3 I love, I love having kids. It's a constant battle of just being hit with things.
And you want to be a good parent that leads. My parents never talked to me about sex.

Speaker 3 My parents never talked to me about anything like that. So you want to be open.
It's just like when it comes to you, you are never fully prepared. You just aren't.

Speaker 3 But it is fun because I feel like once they know that they can talk to you, then it feels like. Hopefully that relationship will stay and they can have an open door.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, I don't think that my parents even know that I have had sex yet.

Speaker 6 You know? Oh, I hope not. I just had a kid, but I'm still hoping that I'd have to be a little bit more

Speaker 6 conception. Exactly.

Speaker 2 And if they know we had sex, because we have a kid, it's only for the purposes of children. It's not for enjoyment.
Like, I definitely do not have sex to enjoy it.

Speaker 3 Procreation only.

Speaker 6 Procreation, not recreation.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Paul, you recently wrote a commercial for some prominent reality TV stars. Was it for Taco Bell? Am I remembering that correctly?

Speaker 3 It's for Dunkin' Donuts.

Speaker 2 Dunkin' Donuts. Sorry.
Dunkin' Donuts. Yes.

Speaker 3 Dunkin' Donuts. There was a commercial we did called, it was basically a more than a snack.
So it had like James Marsden, Charles Melton,

Speaker 3 Dylan Efron,

Speaker 3 and Tramel Tillman.

Speaker 6 And yes,

Speaker 3 it was insane.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so we did this like commercial. uh where these guys are you know they're more than just hot guys which is very similar to dunkin' donuts uh five dollar meal deal which is more than a snack.

Speaker 6 Yes. Wow.
I'm sold.

Speaker 6 Listen, all you had to say to me was Dunkin' Donuts. Still an F-Ross.
And James Mars.

Speaker 3 I mean, they were the most attractive guys I've ever seen on set. I mean, you know, and when you're looking at them, you see everybody on set just like losing their minds.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Because these are people that are so attractive that. The men, the women, everybody, children, cars are stopping on the side of the road.
It is, it is a non-stop thing.

Speaker 2 Natalie, uh, not too long ago, I was like, I'm gonna get back working out.

Speaker 2 We had Dylan on the show not too long ago, and then one day she sends me a text of this shirtless photo of Dylan looking great, by the way.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I accidentally screenshotted it, and uh, it was this kind of like ah, I accidentally made it my wallpaper

Speaker 6 by accident.

Speaker 2 Well, like Natalie, you know, I met Natalie at 30, whatever, um, and she's seen, she's seen, she's seen, she's seen uh, uh,

Speaker 2 uh, photographs of when I was real, real Jack. And I'm still in decent shape, but I just don't have the time anymore.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 she feels a little screwed over.

Speaker 2 Like she didn't really get my best stuff. But

Speaker 2 she sent me a Dylan Inspo photo. So

Speaker 2 it got

Speaker 6 grinding. I'm here to help.

Speaker 3 Dylan can spend that time in the gym. We're talking about...
We're dads now, right? We can't get in the gym that much.

Speaker 3 My wife likes my body for what it is, and she gives me a lot of crap when I get too skinny. So she's never really pushed.

Speaker 6 I am the same way.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Really? Okay.
Yes. So, yeah, there was a time where I was losing too much weight.
When I was on Black Monday, I had to learn how to like rollerblade and had to be shirtless.

Speaker 3 And that was tricky for me because I'm leaving the shirts off to the people. who are doing the work.

Speaker 3 My shirt off isn't going to impress anybody, but I knew there was no greater motivator to be in shape than getting, knowing knowing that your shirt was coming off. And that was the hardest I worked.

Speaker 3 And I felt so good about my body. And I was like, here I am.
And my wife's like, you're too skinny.

Speaker 6 And I was like, no, the one moment where I'm in.

Speaker 6 Let me have this.

Speaker 3 Let me have this moment of being in shape.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So

Speaker 3 she has not sent me those pictures, but every now and then we'll be watching some reality show.

Speaker 3 And she'll say something about, you know, whether it's a person on a reality show or whether it's like an athlete, like a lot of these soccer players, she's like, oh, well, he's hot.

Speaker 3 I'm like, oh, now I can't compete with that. You know, I'm always feeling, I'm feeling the pressure.

Speaker 2 I'm feeling the pressure. Were you always a reality TV fan or did June get you into it?

Speaker 3 I think June has definitely opened my mind to it bigger. Like when I was a, I grew up loving the real world.
Like that was my, that was my shit. I love the real world.

Speaker 3 I loved a show called Sorority Life. I still talk about sorority life because there was a season, first season was like, like in San Diego and like hot, young college kids running around.

Speaker 3 And and then the second season they shot in Buffalo New York during winter so they went from like bikinis to people just in like parkas with hoods on it was a terrible season of sorority life people were depressed um

Speaker 3 and so i really like that was like my stuff early on like early on survivor and then i really got brought into bravo but I went to a different direction, which is I've been a big summer house fan.

Speaker 3 Same. And I had to convince everybody to get on the summer house train.

Speaker 3 I was a huge bachelor fan. We did a show called Burning Love, which was a kind of a parody of that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I've always, yeah, so I've always been a huge, I mean, reality TV is the best TV because the emotions, you get so much out of it. I will say, you know, I know we are all our Love Island fans.

Speaker 3 I heard the interview with Jeremiah.

Speaker 3 You know, what I, what's hard about a show like that, and I do watch it, is there's so much of it. Like there is like, sometimes I feel like I'm like, there's more.

Speaker 3 Like, I need a, I need a recap because it's like, like, last night's episode or two nights ago, it was like an hour and 20 minutes. I'm like, this is, this is massive.

Speaker 6 I have to get through this. Two nights in a row.
Yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 You're getting, I mean, Love Island's on, I feel like seven nights a week.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm like, today's uh Wednesday, so we don't have an episode today. So now I got to go over to UK.

Speaker 2 No, yeah, Sierra's on, I'm still emotional.

Speaker 3 How do you find the time?

Speaker 6 Where there's a will, there's a way. I'm behind on UK, but like when I find an hour or two to just throw it in there, I'm just camming in as many episodes as I can.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you a question. Because I am still emotionally scarred from what happened, I believe, last week, where

Speaker 3 they were drinking milk and then spitting milk

Speaker 3 into each other's mouths.

Speaker 6 That is

Speaker 6 and then pouring that milk, that regurgitated milk onto another islander.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 it's it was hard. It was like, there's nothing sexy about that ultimately.
I don't think. I mean, maybe I'm wrong.
Like, look, that show, they're doing a lot of stuff that I'm like, let's go for it.

Speaker 3 I've seen the way the tongues come out. I feel like I'm watching a horror movie.

Speaker 6 They go right in with the tongues. I don't know if I like, I don't know, we retrained differently because I thought it was lips first and then

Speaker 6 tongue is leading the way. That's a special occasion.
That's a special occasion. That's not an everyday.

Speaker 2 It's almost like a key to unlock a door. You know, it's

Speaker 6 right in.

Speaker 3 It's like, I was like, that was the first kisses I was seeing when they had the, when Casa Moore and stuff, I was like, whoa, like, and it does make me question.

Speaker 3 I've been married for a very long time. You know, I've been out of the dating scene for a while.
I enjoyed my time in that, but now I'm here. And when I watch that, I'm like, wow.

Speaker 3 Things have changed and I would not be able to keep up.

Speaker 6 I think with Love Island too, they're like, okay, this is my chance to make him love me or her love me.

Speaker 3 And I need to prove it with this this one kiss so i'm just gonna full send do you i mean here's a question that i feel with that show if you're a lot of these kisses are like blindfolded or you don't know who's kissing you and stuff like that do you believe like part of a good kiss is the connection that you have it's not it's not just lips right it's just like it's not just a bot like and that's what i think is so kind of hard it's like how I think part of it is a mental, a mental and physical connection mixed, which is a great kiss, not just like, oh, they have a great kissing.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, I think that's why so many of the cast are able to like, when they do the challenges, it's almost to your point, it's like, it doesn't really count because it's like, it's just a challenge.

Speaker 2 It's like, I feel like it's like taking a work trip to a city you want a vacation to, but you don't really get to sitsey.

Speaker 2 You know, it's just like you didn't, you know, it's like, oh, I went to Hawaii, but like I was at a conference for three days and then I flew back and it doesn't really feel like you're at Hawaii.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't know. It's like they have these challenges and they're making out with like each other's friends, but it doesn't feel like they're doing anything wrong because it's so aggressive.

Speaker 2 They're dripped in warm milk and it doesn't feel like they're really making connections. And it feels like that's must be what, you know, what it's like.

Speaker 3 I guess so. I mean, yeah, I just don't think I've ever had that many.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you can have a connection just based on a kiss. I feel like, because when that one guy in the last episode, when they're all blindfolded, he's like, that two, two, one.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Fucking asshole.

Speaker 3 I like TJ. I like TJ.

Speaker 6 That was so annoying.

Speaker 6 But also like blind, and I said this on the toast of like blindfolded kisses. It's like you, you can't startle me and then try to make out.
Like, I need a second to get my nervous system down.

Speaker 6 You know, like, I need to relax. Now I'm like, my breath pressure's raised.
I'm like. a little like nervous.
Like I'm not ready to kiss you yet. You know, I need a moment.
Well, what about Nick just

Speaker 6 like grabbing everybody's ass? I mean, you don't know who that is. You're just assuming.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there is like a, like, I mean, I think that what you're saying is right about the idea that like, they're like, I can do whatever I want. It's a challenge.

Speaker 3 But then you also see that like creeper side of people come out. You're like, whoa, Lord, like, you're just going to grab that ass right away.

Speaker 3 But I think you, I think you nailed it with like the startling. It's like, there is like.
You feel like these women are getting startled when their asses are getting grabbed.

Speaker 3 These guys, everyone's getting startled.

Speaker 3 They're just on a high adrenaline run on this thing.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And I don't know who who I kissed.
So there is no chemistry to be made after that. Even if you tell me, I'm like, I just kissed six people straight in a row.

Speaker 6 They didn't even say you remember it. Do I remember number three? And they didn't even say who was who.
Like they just left it right there.

Speaker 6 They were like, okay, so these were the women that you were kissing, but I'm not going to say who was one, two, three, four. No, it's so odd.
It's just so odd.

Speaker 2 I do, Paul, are you? Are you new to Love Island? Or have you been watching it over the years?

Speaker 3 I am new to Love Island. So this has been, I have heard a lot of talk about it.
A lot of my friends had

Speaker 3 like kind of said, this is what you have to watch. And again, I'm home alone and I'm like, Love Island is on every night.

Speaker 3 It's treating me good. So yeah.
And last night I watched a couple minutes of it with my kids, which was a mistake.

Speaker 3 But I will say this.

Speaker 6 You're going to have a lot more explaining to do after watching the show.

Speaker 3 But yeah, no,

Speaker 3 I'm kind of loving it because it reminds me of like the less serious

Speaker 3 reality shows that I love.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's what I kind of loved about like Bachelor in Paradise back in the day, yeah, you know, and and real, like it's like it just is like fun reality where there were no real stakes.

Speaker 3 I feel like there's so much drama going on right now and backstory on a lot of the shows I love, and I love all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 But it's summertime, let's just get some people making out and have fun.

Speaker 6 I have to say, it's not really gotten any fun recently. Recently, it's really made me pissed off, it's It's made me sad.
It's like not the love island that it was last year.

Speaker 6 And I feel like they're doing way too much.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so Paul, the big controversy right now is like, so as you know, we're in Casa Amore. And traditionally, Casa Amor is meant to like stir up

Speaker 2 the couples, like whether they are closed off or not.

Speaker 2 At this point in the season, there are usually couples that have like made some connections, like Sierra and Nick, for example, like Shelly and Ace, you know, Orlandria and Taylor.

Speaker 2 And then they bring in, obviously, these bombshells and they flip-flop. And then they see if, you know, now that they're separated, do they make new connections? Do they make out? Do they kiss?

Speaker 2 Like last season, it was a lot of drama, you know, and then, and then these couples, these singles, when they return to the villa, they find out whether their, you know, their partner that they were in a relationship with coupled up with.

Speaker 2 before they left for CASA, do they return single, excited to get back to that connection that they were in? Or do they return holding hands with someone new to shake shit up?

Speaker 2 And then a few episodes later, there's this thing called Movie Night, where then they show clips of what happened

Speaker 6 in Casa Amor. Well, before the movie, while

Speaker 6 they're apart, they get like text messages of videos, of pictures of what their person is doing at Casa Amor or back at the villa with the new bombshells.

Speaker 6 So maybe that they get a video of like Nick making out with Jaden and then Sierra's like, you know what? Fuck it. Now I'm like really going into with right.

Speaker 3 So she's able to go off.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And it's always like, you know, it's like out of context stuff.
So like maybe there's more, maybe there wasn't more, but it really fucks with these people.

Speaker 2 This is the part of the season that people like anticipate, wait for. It's like the...
It's the heart and soul. It's the center of the watermelon, you know? It's like, it's the best part.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 2 All of a sudden, they're just like fucking with the whole format.

Speaker 2 all casa more has been all this constantly recoupling like we called lay last night and lea made a great point it's just like they're not focused on like making these new connections with the bombshells and in casa more they're just trying to survive right they're like it's just like oh well if you don't recouple in 24 hours you might be gone it's just like so it's just it's all just gamesmanship and now you're eliminating no one believes that nick and alandria are actually being dumped the instagram the social pages of love island USA is basically like everyone's freaking out online.

Speaker 2 Everyone's pissed. There's a lot of accusations of overproduction, overproducing.
And like, they're already basically saying, like,

Speaker 2 you know, not so fast. They're like, crypto, they're basically telling us there's more to the story as if, like, you know, because they know like they're losing a lot of people.

Speaker 6 But like, why piss off your audience, you know? A scripted bid cost us. A scripted bit at the end of an episode is like that.
That's insulting.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 6 Thank you.

Speaker 3 Well, this is i think they i think the issue that i'm noticing is no one really seems to be having like real connections or really connected so it's like the i think that they're putting all these games in there because no one seems to be there's no weight and you know so there's something about this new the casa amore and when they got to mix it up i'm like oh are these people better because i felt like all the guys are better in Casa Amor.

Speaker 3 And I felt like a lot of the women were better that came over. Like, I feel like we may need to like sweep some of this stuff out the door a little bit.

Speaker 6 And they got rid of like all of the people who had real connections. I know, that was crazy.

Speaker 3 And that was the thing I was so bummed about. I could not believe that Jeremiah and Jeremiah was, I liked him.
I felt like he was getting a connection.

Speaker 3 I felt like he got done dirty a little bit by all the guys. And I was so,

Speaker 3 I don't know. I just feel like this season has been, while fun, I don't feel like anyone.
is liking anybody really.

Speaker 6 Well, I also feel like part of the reason for that is because I don't know if this is accurate, but I feel like there have been more dumpings this season almost.

Speaker 6 And it's been like dumping at Casa more.

Speaker 6 Yeah, like, well, they're not dumped. You know what I mean? But I'm like, for all of that drama, but like.

Speaker 6 But I know for a fact that Alandria and Nick are not dumped because Ariana said everyone was going to be coming back and they never used the word dump. They just said leaving the villa.
Whatever.

Speaker 6 Nonetheless, the Islanders knew that there would be a dumping. The Islanders thought that there would be a dumping.

Speaker 6 And so they're all like, oh my God, in order to come back to my real connection or in order to come back or stay in the game, I have to recouple. And so it's very forced.

Speaker 6 It's like everybody feels like they have to constantly be in a couple. So they're either forcing it with who they're with or they're forcing it with who they feel like they can be with.

Speaker 6 And they're just all forcing it because they want to stay in the villa.

Speaker 3 To my question is, to what end? Because it feels like they're just kind of waiting for somebody to come in there because there are these couple of real connections. I'm curious where it goes.

Speaker 3 I really want to get behind the scenes and talk to the person who composes all the music because I've been in love with whatever those songs are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it really hypes you.

Speaker 6 You guys, my most recent Spotify play is Love Island USA playlist. Oh, I see.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you gotta send me that. I feel like, I wonder if it hits the same just listening to the songs because it just you know what?

Speaker 6 I'm imagining the scenes in my head when like a

Speaker 6 i'm like this is a fire like this is a fire fire moment i love it come to the fire

Speaker 2 sierra as someone who watches a lot of uk you know it's just like do you think love island usa is casting way too many like already influencers like ace i think had like 900 000 instagram followers or something like that before

Speaker 6 1.1 million

Speaker 2 so to wisdom influencers i mean i get everyone everyone everyone who's in their 20s is online nowadays and anyone like who who's like a hottie usually have some kind of like micro following.

Speaker 2 But like, can't they find, aren't there enough of like hot people who want to be famous who aren't already like

Speaker 2 know how to like who are so brand conscious, who are so like, I just feel like Ace is too, he's too plugged in, you know? And I feel like he's almost kind of poisoning the well.

Speaker 2 And everyone's following Ace's lead and about how to play the game rather than making connections and like really get investing in these relationships.

Speaker 3 Well, this is, I feel like there's a thing that goes on with America, which is we don't trust our audiences to fall in love with people we don't know.

Speaker 3 Like, I love, I first started watching the British Traders, and like, there's a lot of normal people on British Traders, and then they have a couple like British celebrities.

Speaker 3 And then when they do the American version, it's a lot of influencers, celebrities, reality stars. Interesting.
And, but the one version of Traders that's the best is the Australian version.

Speaker 3 It's all just super normal people, and it makes the gameplay so much better. It's like it's an electrician.
It's, you know, it's like, it's just regular people.

Speaker 3 And then the show is way better because they're not savvy at all. That's what the original Real World was, not savvy.

Speaker 6 100%, because that's the UK version of Love Island. To go to answer your question, it is they're landscapers, they're nail technicians, they're coming in for a real connection.

Speaker 6 They're not coming in for the followers. They know that that's a part of it, but they're also there for two months.

Speaker 6 So it's like, I feel like they really lose sight sight of like a prize at the end right and they just are there to like connect with people and they really mean it because it's like they're vulnerable and they're in this environment they're not thinking about what happens when i get off the show or what the audience is thinking about like a lot of the times they're almost like reminded when they do have a game where like the audience will weigh in on what's been happening or like well that's why huda is definitely not voted off if she's got a following that i was like well she's definitely the one where this is out 1.1 million followers on instagram yeah that's what i'm saying i'm like i don't i think knowing people who have seen the show and seen what it can do for people, they're like, great.

Speaker 6 So I didn't get the clout or the level of fame that I'm getting on my own.

Speaker 6 But with Love Island, it's national, it's worldwide, that it's like, now I'm getting the recognition or like the following that I think I deserve.

Speaker 6 But it's like, you're not actually here to fall in love. You're not doing the game.

Speaker 3 You're not doing the actual thing.

Speaker 6 No, I'm producer's girl. I'm the brother.
I'm not going to do that because then you have people like Jalen who have, he's, I think has surpassed any of the people. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Following. And he came on as like this trucker, truck driver,

Speaker 3 Now, let me ask you this. I love Ariana Maddox.

Speaker 3 Great.

Speaker 3 But when Megan DeSalien came on,

Speaker 3 she is what the show needs.

Speaker 6 I need some emotional.

Speaker 6 That was the best episode of the whole season. Yep, hands down.
Hands down. She literally owned that.
All of the Islanders were having fun, letting loose. And I'm like, this is what I want to see.

Speaker 6 I'm so tired of tears every episode.

Speaker 3 And that's, I think, that I've heard that also last season, the women had a much stronger connection. And this season, the women are kind of forcing that connection to feel like they are like.

Speaker 6 And falling on the floor, having a full breakdown when Alandria was in home.

Speaker 3 Oh, I mean, that was wild.

Speaker 3 That whole thing, I felt so bad for Zach, British Zach. No, yeah.
You know, because it's like he stood up and I was like, oh, that's really cool. But this is, this is an exciting moment.

Speaker 3 And then it just felt like he was left out. Like he did something terrible.

Speaker 6 He's like Manchester. He watched the real UK when he's like, I'm supposed to be making decisions for myself.
This is like a thing, right?

Speaker 3 And like, and it's like, and I look, I love Alandria. I was, I'm bummed if she's not gone or she's gone, who knows.
But it's like, I'm bummed, but I also was like, that was cool.

Speaker 3 That was, that's what we want. We want that moment.
We need that thing. And he's just sitting there like, like, he was a bad guy.
Yeah. He's not a bad guy.

Speaker 6 No, he's there for love.

Speaker 2 I liked his speech, though. Like, it was the first time it endeared me to him because before that, he was kind of clunky.
And like when he made out with Amaya,

Speaker 2 he like weirdly was like, don't say anything. I'm like, why are we keeping it? This is on TV.

Speaker 6 This is, why are we keeping it a secret? Yeah, so

Speaker 6 there's five cameras in this room. Yes.

Speaker 2 He was very endearing in that moment. And I thought it was very sweet.
But yeah, I don't know. Like, yeah, they're, they're, they're limiting some of their best people.

Speaker 2 Like, Jeremiah, like, I think, I feel like Jeremiah was really genuine. And, like, he was trying to make connections.

Speaker 2 And he was like being blamed for having that face that he had and all the girls liking him.

Speaker 6 And the guy, you know, I mean, the fact that Sierra defended their decision by sending Hannah home of being like, Hannah got to experience two really great connections with Charlie and with Pepe.

Speaker 6 And like, Iris and Amaya, you two deserve that too. It's like, that's not what Love Island is.
If you can't make a connection,

Speaker 6 you go home. If you do have a connection, you stay.
Like, I don't understand these people. And then Huda and Casa Amore pulling JD to be like, so I guess you already know I'm a mom.

Speaker 6 And then gave us another like selfish explanation as to like how she's a mom, why she's a mom, her dating, her being like, Yeah, no one's ever really had a problem with me being a mom.

Speaker 6 And like, I'm dating to Mary. Not once mentioning, like, I need someone who like, you know, gets along with my daughter.

Speaker 6 I need someone who understands what it's like, you know, like to be involved with a five-year-old is means this and it means that, like, gives zero explanation about being an actual mother to a child.

Speaker 6 It's just so selfishly, I'm a mom.

Speaker 3 The biggest red flag I got in that interaction was, and again, I'm terrible at names.

Speaker 3 I just know by like just like distinguishing characteristics, that that guy that she said that to was like, yeah, I don't actually, it doesn't make a big deal to me if someone has a kid because it's not about that.

Speaker 6 I'm like, whoa, whoa,

Speaker 6 yeah, it's kind of

Speaker 6 crazy. I was like, what do you mean it's not about that?

Speaker 3 She's saying, I'm dating to marry. And he's like, yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 6 I love it when they say that. Whatever.
I've dated a mom before. It didn't really matter.

Speaker 3 He treated it like she was divorced. Like, it's like, I don't mind if you were married before.
Like, he was like, no, no, no, this is a child that lives in her house.

Speaker 3 And that's, I do think, like, it was tough because

Speaker 3 I don't know how you feel about this, but like, Jeremiah was put in this situation where I think that they did have a connection, but then she got very needy.

Speaker 3 Like, and, and I still feel like she wasn't really over him, but I do feel like people really were like, they're rooting for her to find love, but she, this is not the place.

Speaker 3 for her to find love, in my opinion.

Speaker 3 I feel like she needs to find somebody else off this show because the show is built not, I don't know if, I mean, maybe it will be at the end, but it's like, she's not going to, like, she's too jealous or too

Speaker 3 much like, you're my person to make the show, like, to be an enjoyable character. I don't know.
I'm like, I want her off so bad. Although now she's coming alive a little bit.

Speaker 6 Now she's like mellowing up, but that's because we're just mad about the whole show in general. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Listen, she, she's been insufferable, but I also think. I think she's very necessary now more than ever for this show because I think she's one of the few people we are getting authenticity from.

Speaker 2 Like you are just getting her right real reactions and i feel like so many people on this show like i think we all love shelly but like shelly doesn't give us anything i mean other than like you know demure you know she you know she seems like a class act she seems like you know i'd want to be friends with her but she's not exactly captivating television and also like i feel like last season what was so cute was watching from both sides like you're watching either like the one of the guys or one of the girls like kendall being like man i i really hate watching nicole talk to that guy Like, I feel like I have a clown nose on my face.

Speaker 6 And you get these really sweet, like vulnerable moments, like Cordell being like, you don't have a clown nose. Like, you hear your nose.

Speaker 6 Like, it's like, you're not seeing these people invested in their partners at all.

Speaker 6 That it's like they're not talking to somebody else, being like, man, like, I really like her, but I'm sad she's going on this date. Like, it's like,

Speaker 6 the guys cried more about Nick going home.

Speaker 3 When Nick went home, I was like, this feels like the biggest breakup of the season.

Speaker 3 I was like, you know, it's like, I love you, bro. I love you, bro.
And it's like, you're the best connection I've made here. I'm like, and that's what I feel like is going on.

Speaker 3 It's like them, they are a group amongst themselves. Like, it's, they're not really sharing in that middle ground.
And that's a bummer because I think people came in hot. Like, I liked Emily a lot.

Speaker 3 I thought Emily like, but then when they sent Charlie home, it was a Charlie, right?

Speaker 3 The yeah, when they sent Charlie home, I was like bummed about that because I feel like it's just, it just feels like they are keeping and getting rid of the wrong people.

Speaker 6 100%.

Speaker 2 Especially Taylor, Nick, and Ace. They really give like high school friendships, you know, just like very catty, very clicky.
You know, it's just like there's no individuals.

Speaker 6 Basis is too click for that.

Speaker 2 Like when you hung out with your boys every day

Speaker 2 and like you, you, you dated your friends. Like when you, before you like, yeah, were independent, like you were, you, you go to the movies with your guy friends.

Speaker 2 You'd go to dinner with your guy friends. You know, like that's who you really connected with when you were that young.
And these guys are just, it's, I don't know, it's too,

Speaker 2 it's too high school.

Speaker 6 I also hate that they're giving all of the new bombshells, men and women, like the power over the OGs and like the people who've been there. It's like, why are you letting Casa people

Speaker 6 pick who they're with? You know, it should be the other way around. Like, why are we sending home OGs and not CASA people? It's just, it's, it's weird.

Speaker 6 Listen, I am all for the producers, like, throwing in some twists, but not with CASA. Yeah.
Casa Amore is the twist.

Speaker 6 This is the twist. This is where you test the relationship.

Speaker 6 This is is where the islanders get to make the decision for their themselves, to your point, Natalie, if they want to stay with their OG couple or move on with or bring somebody else and explore them.

Speaker 6 That's the twist. Stop fucking with the format of CASA.

Speaker 3 Well, let me ask you about what happened in that episode where it felt like they only had one, like were the ones, it was Amaya, right?

Speaker 3 Was the single, like she was single, so she had to stand up and then all of a sudden that switched to Olandria.

Speaker 3 But on the guy's side, it felt like everyone got a chance to get up in front of the group. Do you think think that that was an editing decision?

Speaker 6 No, I think that had somebody gotten up and chosen Olandria, it would have been

Speaker 6 going.

Speaker 2 It really makes me more sus about when they voted off Jeremiah and Hannah and they didn't give, they didn't show any of the conversations and how those groups came to the decision.

Speaker 2 Like last year, when they did that, we got to see that was like a big storyline about how the women came to that decision and who was like leading the conversation.

Speaker 2 And it seems a little fucked up now more than ever, you know, now that we're kind of criticizing producers for overproducing that they're just, I don't know, like they're not, you know, I usually like to defend producers.

Speaker 2 And I feel like sometimes the, the hardcore reality TV fans like love, they love the behind the scenes conversations too much. They love the conspiracies.

Speaker 2 you know, the blaming producers for everything they don't like.

Speaker 2 When I think there's a lot of times like I've become more familiar with like reality TV shows and I've been shocked by how much they don't produce and how much they're not involved.

Speaker 2 But like, I really think, you know, times have changed where they really try to be hands-off.

Speaker 2 But like it really is giving from this show right now that the producers are just too, it's like they're too online. They're reading Reddit.
They're reading Twitter. They're they're on TikTok.

Speaker 2 They're following fan reactions and they're making too many reactionary moves trying to like appease fans where like just like, just Trust your process, trust your format, trust the casting and let it and let them do their thing.

Speaker 6 They're also being like way too messy with their editing it feels like and i think the audience is catching on and the audience is being like you know like there was a scene where when jeremiah came in to give iris breakfast and it showed like him walking into the room and there was no huda and then it shows like huda giving a stank face and it's like but she wasn't in the room and then it shows like right hannah talking to the girls but then in the reflection of the window it shows shelly and olandria and you see hannah in the reflection and her mouth isn't isn't moving.

Speaker 6 You know, like it's, it's, they're getting really sloppy with their like cutting and pasting and editing that it feels very

Speaker 6 like not what it was.

Speaker 3 Do you think that that's part of the daily nature of the show or like whatever, the four times a week that it's on?

Speaker 3 It's like they're, that they, A, can react in real time, but also the show is sloppier because of that, because they are. They don't have enough time to kind of finesse moments.

Speaker 3 So they have to kind of, they have to kind of create a story because they need it to be fulfilling at an hour and they may not have all those pieces together at that point.

Speaker 2 I will say I am less critical of editing like that.

Speaker 2 I only say this because I think the best reality TV shows and the best reality TV producers, like they, they want to show you the authentic story.

Speaker 2 In a perfect world, they cast a perfect group of people and they give and they're just, they don't edit themselves and they're all, you know, but that doesn't always happen.

Speaker 2 And, you know, at the end of the day, they have to make a TV show. I think sometimes editing will try to,

Speaker 2 in this limited time, as many, even though we have an episode every night with Love Island, we are still only, you know, airing an hour of what is 24 hours of footage that they have. Right.

Speaker 2 And so sometimes when they are showing, you know, like they, they cut to Huda giving like kind of like a resting bitch face reaction to a moment.

Speaker 2 And then you realize that she wasn't in the room in that moment or whatever.

Speaker 2 Like, I think often a justifiable reason is they're trying to convey the sentiment of what was going on in that room, despite maybe that footage that they chose to use didn't like quite capture that.

Speaker 2 Does that make sense? Where it's just like, yeah, maybe that didn't happen this way, but that was still like the vibe.

Speaker 6 Right. I feel like it's them playing into like the Huda's crazy

Speaker 6 conversation that's happening in and outside of the villa. Like

Speaker 6 they're giving audience more examples of Huda being quote unquote crazy.

Speaker 2 Exactly, because that, but, but my point is, is that that was what was going on in the villa.

Speaker 2 Like when I interviewed Jeremiah, I asked him, I'm like, hey, listen, like a lot of people are having these reactions with Huda. Like,

Speaker 2 this is what they think. You know, we know that things can be edited.
Is the fans' sentiment and what we are seeing on this TV show from what you saw, is that what you experienced?

Speaker 2 And he confirmed that, yeah, that's, that's how it was. And I'm just saying, like, sometimes, you know, and they don't have the perfect footage.
to just, you know, they have a limited time.

Speaker 2 So they have to like maximize what the audience or what is that feeling that is happening. And they sometimes have to edit it.
I'm, you know, does that make sense?

Speaker 3 It's like the cliff notes of, it's like the cliff notes of the day, right? It's like, this is essentially the emotions that happened.

Speaker 3 We can't show you all the intricate details, but like this, trust us, she's mad. He's okay.
Yeah. This guy's a jerk.
Let's go with it. And they're trying to craft something within that.

Speaker 6 And they don't have very much time either. It's fast turning.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's so fast. And I also feel like some of these guys aren't giving full,

Speaker 3 I don't, I don't, like, this is one of of those reality shows where I don't feel like I know everybody. Like, there's, they're even withholding with the audience.

Speaker 3 Like the guy, I call him like Bobo Owen Wilson, the guy who's cleaning the pool.

Speaker 6 Uh, what's his name?

Speaker 6 Austin, yeah.

Speaker 3 I love Austin, but uh, you know, Austin, you know, I'm like, I don't know what he is besides us like, oh yeah, well, I hope this girl likes me, you know, it's like, like, I feel like

Speaker 3 we're not finding out. So maybe the people that we are finding out the most about are the ones that we're irritated with because they're just like, I am this one thing.

Speaker 3 I'm going to say this one thing over and over and over again. But like, sometimes I'm just watching, just watching a lot of tongue.

Speaker 6 And I will say that like UK does a really good job because they also have a bonus episode. I think that's also why their seasons are longer.
They do a bonus episode called Unseen Bits.

Speaker 6 So the entire episode is just clips of the islanders that we didn't see throughout. And it's like random, funny moments.
And it's like you kind of get to see.

Speaker 6 another side of their personality outside of like what the storyline drama is where i'm like here we don't have that and they play little clips yeah during aftersun but but I'm like, you don't get to see that there's a full like 24 hours that these people are

Speaker 3 these people, right?

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 the funny side, like, we don't get to see anything, like, Big Brother. Um, and I used to do this where when I was like super into Big Brother, they have like a live feed where you could just

Speaker 6 the best, and I used to do that. I used to sit there and just watch them.

Speaker 3 It's the most fun. It's like, of course, keep those cameras.
We should have a camera running on Love Island.

Speaker 6 Why not, right? There should be like a paid, this would be a great way to make extra money, Peacock. Just like charge an extra extra subscription and people could just watch the live feed.

Speaker 3 Or just don't do it. We already are paying for it.
Just give it to us for free.

Speaker 6 Give us four cameras. That's all.

Speaker 6 Just a four screen. We don't even need audio.
Yeah, we don't need audio. Everyone wants to be a little bit more.

Speaker 3 All those birds when we watch a bird come out of the nest or that bird up in California.

Speaker 6 The bald eagle is going to have its baby in nine months when you set up this time, this time-lapse camera.

Speaker 2 Well, despite our Love Island venting session,

Speaker 2 the audience is invested. And I'm definitely going to be tuning.

Speaker 3 I can't wait for Thursday because I want want to know what's that was the biggest cliffhanger this season. I think this was like my second favorite episode because it was like, okay,

Speaker 3 now stuff is going to happen. It feels like this is the biggest moment of the season coming back from Costa Moore.
I hope.

Speaker 2 I hope so. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Let us down.

Speaker 2 I want to believe that they're going to like, yeah, they have a big plan. Maybe we don't understand it.
We're a little triggered right now, but I think all our gripes are valid.

Speaker 2 And I feel, and if they're going to like, if producers are going to produce, I want them to just like talk to the cast and say, hey, you need to lean into these relationships.

Speaker 2 You really need to go for it. You guys are being a little too safe.

Speaker 2 You're not like, you know, just say that, you know, tell them to like be vulnerable and stop worrying about friendships and like, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 And have people, you know, tell them that Huda's like got the big, you know, the biggest following of them all because like they all.

Speaker 2 I guarantee you, it's clear that everyone in the house has a strong opinion about Huda and they're judging her and they kind of are kind of like sticking their nose up with Huda.

Speaker 2 And I get why, but she's also like, other than Jalen, she is getting the most follows. Like she's the biggest star, liker or hater, whatever you think of Huda, she's the most talked about.

Speaker 6 I mean, is she the villain?

Speaker 3 I mean, not that she's a villain, but I mean, she is kind of serving that role. Like you're watching her because you're frustrated by her a little bit.

Speaker 3 And, but now I do think that based on that last episode, I like the guys that came in a lot. I'm like, ooh, these guys seem like they have a little bit more.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the basketball team. They're very tall, very muscle.
When you said 6'8, I was like, for real? I know.

Speaker 3 I was like, I watched that and I was like, when they show them together in those poses, I'm like, this has made me laugh so hard.

Speaker 3 But, um, and so I am hoping that that will carry over because I, I felt like I saw something real.

Speaker 3 And that to me speaks of good producing, which is like, okay, maybe these are not the right people for them.

Speaker 3 And instead of just like attracting them by like body, they brought in people that are attracting them by mind a little bit more.

Speaker 3 And I feel like that there was something about that last episode that gave me a lot of hope for where we go. And then also all the fallout is going to be intense.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, my prediction for what's going to happen is that they're going to bring Nick and Alandria back and it's going to be like a big recoupling where it's going to be kind of up to the OG, like Taylor and Sierra to either save them or stay with their native people.

Speaker 3 Do you want Nick on the show?

Speaker 6 He's pretty to look at.

Speaker 3 He's pretty to look at, you know, but he's, but he's also,

Speaker 3 he gives me nothing. And he's also exactly to everybody's point, he's the one who's not taking any of these relationships seriously.

Speaker 6 He's like bump, bump, bop, bop, bump all over the place. You've got Sierra bawling, like missing him, and he's over here, like, well, you know, we're gonna be

Speaker 6 like,

Speaker 2 that's what sucked about him leaving right now.

Speaker 2 Again, who knows what's gonna happen, but like, that, you know, Sierra was that one person who was freaking out and emotionally invested in her relationship with Nick, and she was all in.

Speaker 2 So, whether Nick was not, like, Nick was given like Aaron from last season where he's just like out there, like, Sierra doesn't even exist exist right now in his world. She's crying about him.

Speaker 2 And even though like Nick's kind of a fan favorite right now, like, you know, like Aaron was early in the season, it had the opportunity for like a great movie night where like Nick's like making moves that's going to piss off Sierra and a lot of people.

Speaker 2 And then now all of a sudden, like he's leaving. He gets this like, you know, hero exit.
Everyone's cry. And then he runs.
I just like, I will say I'm exhausted of the Huda villain.

Speaker 2 Like I want one of these guys to really step step in it and not be protected by the click. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 I want these guys to be the fuckboys that I guarantee you that they are.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, and there is something funny because, I mean, Nick is like, Nick is a fuckboy. I mean, right? I mean, 100%.

Speaker 3 My favorite moment was when they're posing in the photo booth and he's like on the verge of tears and then that the camera went to flash. He's like, smile, big smile, like big, big smile.

Speaker 3 It's like, this motherfucker.

Speaker 3 But, you know, like, I do feel like these other guys feel like they have a little bit more emotional emotional depth. And maybe we'll get some switching up of things.
Cause I agree with you.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm tired of it. I just feel like, but I don't know if that's, this is, I'm a new, I'm a newbie to the world.

Speaker 3 So I am enjoying it, but I'm like, I, at 20 episodes in, I think I should feel a lot more emotionally.

Speaker 6 Like one couple that you're rooting for that you really want. And it's like even Alandria being safe, I'm like, or whatever their twist is going to be.

Speaker 6 I'm like, I feel like Taylor doesn't deserve her. No.
Taylor said another girl is her in another body. And that was like so annoying.

Speaker 2 Taylor's blind. You know,

Speaker 6 blind and stupid.

Speaker 2 Moving on from Love Island, Paul, yes. I understand that you also a bit of a true crime fan.
And you've been

Speaker 2 following the Karen Reed case and Sherry Pape, who we recently interviewed. I don't know if you had a chance to listen.

Speaker 3 By the way, I did listen to it. I'm obsessed.
My wife got me into true crime. I fell head over heels into this Karen Reed thing because I watched the HBO Max documentary.
I couldn't stop watching it.

Speaker 3 And then all of a sudden, second trial, listening, watching every person from Boston who has a TikTok that's like, all right, let me tell you something.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 3 I install garage doors and in Canton, everyone's a swinger, you know. So I'm, I got deep into Karen Reed.
And

Speaker 3 yeah, that was, that really took over a large chunk of my time. That Diddy and Sherry Papini, but Sherry Papini on here, now I know this is your guest.
Do you have a guest on the show? But

Speaker 3 she, I am so mixed on her. I'm so mixed.
I, I, because I was suckered into the first doc. I followed that story.
Then I suckered into her dock. And there's a part of me that goes, wow,

Speaker 3 I believe that maybe some of this happened. But then there's a part of me going, like, I don't know, though.
Why isn't she pulling up charges on this guy?

Speaker 3 And, and this guy seems so matter of fact that if if he was doing all this, but then my favorite moment was at the end of that doc when they go, hey, so we did some research and is it James, her boyfriend who kidnapped her like James, and James's mother is not Mexican.

Speaker 3 She's like, okay, yeah, well, okay, well, I met her.

Speaker 6 That is her whole smoking gun. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And she's like, well, I met her and I know she looks like

Speaker 3 the way that she responded so quickly to like, hey, by the way, the one thing that you said is a total lie. She's like, yeah, yeah, but that's not important.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 When we had her on our show and we kind of got into that topic and then she dropped that, like the entire neighborhood allegedly knew that she was sitting out there. And I'm like, what? Huh?

Speaker 2 That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 She switches it up whenever she gets in a corner. And that's what I thought was so fascinating here because I'm like, you are like, I'm a fan of this show.
I love that interview.

Speaker 3 It's like, but it's, she's.

Speaker 3 slippery and you help you dealt with her in a really good way, but it's like, you can't kind of corner her because once she gets cornered, she just, she's like, and as a matter of fact,

Speaker 3 yeah, she's like, Oh, as a matter of fact, my husband is actually having an affair with my sister.

Speaker 6 Wait, wait, what?

Speaker 3 And it's like, oh, and as a matter of fact, like, you just like, she drops another bomb, and it's like, it's perfect liar mentality.

Speaker 3 And I hate to, like, I don't want to ever be like, I don't want to assume, but man, oh man, it makes it hard for me to believe anything.

Speaker 6 I mean, with the Sherry Papini of it all, I think it, you know, I think the James, I think he is guilty of clearly something.

Speaker 6 I think the fact that she was able to, whether she asked him to do it or he had kidnapped her and did it on her own, like the bruises, the injuries that she came back home with, she could not have done to herself.

Speaker 6 So I agree. The fact that she was able to ask him to do this and he was like, okay, sure.
Like, that's a bad person. It's the same thing with like the gypsy rose of it all.

Speaker 6 Gypsy Rose asked someone to, you know, kill her mom and that person was like, sure. You know, you ask anyone else and they're like, oh my God, babe, like, let me get you some help.

Speaker 6 You know, like, I'm not the person. Well, I can't do that.

Speaker 3 Here's a question I have because I do agree with you 100%, but devil's advocate on this.

Speaker 6 I will say this. He does a good one.

Speaker 3 You could never, you could never say, like, you would never, no one would ever ask me, can you please brand me?

Speaker 6 And I'd be like, okay.

Speaker 3 Right. Like, I, like, I can't, I can't go that bridge.
So I, I believe you're right. But do you think that there's a little bit of manipulation? Like, this is

Speaker 3 a guy that had a crush on her when they were in high school together. They were, you know, like, do you think that there is this? Oh my God, this girl who liked me finally is giving me attention.

Speaker 3 I guess I will brand her. But I mean, I still, I to me, I still can't.

Speaker 6 To me, it was less of the branding and more of like the broken nose with the hockey stick, you know, like oh, right. Yeah, there was a lot.
Jesus.

Speaker 2 I, my, my take on, on Sherry Papino's whole situation, I, what I believe is that she has probably encountered several bad actors, uh, whether that's her original husband, a boyfriend, her parents.

Speaker 2 I don't know. She clearly is a person.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 6 Actors or apples? Bad actors. Actors.
Yeah, bad actors. Bad people.
Bad apples? Whatever.

Speaker 2 Not great people. She's encountered bad people, however you want to say it.

Speaker 6 I think it's a couple of bad apples.

Speaker 3 You could say actors. You could say apples.

Speaker 6 They're interchangeable. Yeah, I believe they are.

Speaker 2 Either way, bad people.

Speaker 2 I think she is definitely a victim for sure. Like, I don't know when, how many times.
I definitely think she's someone who's been victimized in her life, and I have a lot of empathy for that.

Speaker 2 I also think she's an absolute liar. And I think she's also, which is very common.
I think she's also someone who's victimized a lot of people as well.

Speaker 2 And I, I, right, when we interviewed her, you know, it's, it's like you said, you said, it's tough. You know, we're not, we don't pretend to be journalists on the show.

Speaker 2 When we get an opportunity to interview, we have, you know, a lot of our interviews are light and fun. And we're out and we're talking like Journal Models.
We're talking reality TV and Love Island.

Speaker 2 And then we get some opportunities where like, you know, these are serious topics, you know, with in serious conversations.

Speaker 2 I just, you know, you, you just want to ask the questions that you want, you know, people are asking, and then you just kind of see how this person answers it.

Speaker 2 And then they respond and, and, and let the audience decide.

Speaker 2 But, like, there was a vibe in the room that, like, there's an energy that was very uncomfortable, at least, you know, I thought when Sherry was there.

Speaker 6 I just, what I thought was kind of an icky feeling. Crazy.

Speaker 6 And I even asked her this: of like, so you, you know, she just kept saying, like, I didn't want the the emotional affair that she was having with James to like her kids to find out.

Speaker 6 And so I'm like, the police sat when you were in that interrogation room, they're like, by the way, like, if you lie to us, like, you will be arrested, right? This is a crime.

Speaker 6 Just gonna put that out there. If you lie to us, she's like, okay, no, for sure.
Right.

Speaker 6 And then she's like, I'm like, you were more afraid to tell your children that you had an emotional affair than go to prison and like be away from your kids?

Speaker 3 There's something about her. And I think maybe I'll say it's like, she's like one fourth the truth and three fourths like a lie.

Speaker 3 And it's like, and it's hard to tell which part is the truth and which part is the lie because you see all that footage of her and you see her lying so openly and honestly.

Speaker 3 And I do believe, yes, maybe your husband is kind of a jerk and an asshole. And I believe that to be true.
And I do believe that she definitely orchestrated this thing.

Speaker 3 and maybe what she orchestrated got out of hand but i also want to know like what i do i am like we'll never know what happened and i mean and the fact that that other guy the the guy that kidnapped her like he's not no one's asking him any questions it seems like he did one lie detector test and they're like done got it that is weird but it's it's weird right it's it's like it's like it was you know obviously karen reed that whole story behind that is like, you know, to a certain extent, the police didn't do their job or they did it in a way that was ineffective or or they didn't go the full distance.

Speaker 3 And I feel like that's the same thing that happened here to a certain extent. Like they just took this guy, give him one lie detector test.

Speaker 3 I think that they knew that she was lying or they made that decision early on. It was like, we're just going to drive right into you.

Speaker 3 And, and, uh, and then that's, and that's a bummer too, because it's, it kind of gives this guy off, gets this guy off if he did do this.

Speaker 6 I don't, but it's so hard. There is also like the video footage of the investigators or police going to talk to James.
And they're like, by the way, if she asked you to hurt her,

Speaker 6 that's not a crime. Like you're not in trouble if she asked you.

Speaker 3 It's like, yeah, they really, they really led him in that way. And then it's like, oh, but then it's also like, then she said, oh, I want to go home and see my kids.

Speaker 3 And he's like, okay, I'll drive you home. And I'm like, what? Like, what? Like, I don't, I just didn't, like, there's so many parts of it.

Speaker 3 And that's why, like, you're talking to her and she says things so like, and that's I was really interested because I was like, oh, the documentary is one way.

Speaker 3 And then listening to her on the show, I was like, oh, this will hopefully be a little bit more casual. She'll be like, you get, you'll get different things from her.

Speaker 3 But I think in her personality, that's part of her. She's slippery.
She's just slippery. It's like, it's a tricky person to kind of figure out.

Speaker 3 if she's using you and and you don't want to get too close because at one point you will become the enemy right and that's somebody that i think we've all seen in different relationships you know throughout our entire lives yeah Well, Paul, thanks for

Speaker 2 breaking it all down with us.

Speaker 6 This has been super fun.

Speaker 2 We appreciate you coming back.

Speaker 3 I'm so excited to be here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Where can people find you?

Speaker 3 They can find me on social media, wherever you get your social media. I'm on there.
Just Paul Scheer. I have a book called Joyful Recollections of Trauma.

Speaker 3 New York Times bestseller. Very excited.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much. And

Speaker 3 yeah, and then I'm on tour and popping around in Portland and Seattle and Vancouver.

Speaker 2 Well, Paul, this has been tons of fun. I hope you come back soon.

Speaker 2 And any luck with the single dad duties, man.

Speaker 2 48 hours. Appreciate it.
And, you know, props to you. You crushed it, honey.

Speaker 6 Well, thanks.

Speaker 2 It's definitely just not easy.

Speaker 3 Next time I come on,

Speaker 3 I'm going to take the challenge. I'm going to take the Dylan Efron challenge.

Speaker 2 I'm going to get Aab

Speaker 3 for you by the time I come back.

Speaker 2 Once June gets back and settled in,

Speaker 2 you guys are welcome to come back together, too.

Speaker 3 We'd love to have her on as well oh my gosh that would be a blast well definitely when traders come back i want to let's get on the show let's break out yeah i'm ready i'm ready for it would you ever do traders man you know that's the one show

Speaker 3 that i'm like i'm always nervous about like would i do a show that one seems really fun

Speaker 3 yeah you know i'll tell you the person i want to do traders i want jeff propest to do traders as a contestant I would love to get like hosts.

Speaker 6 That's a great call. Right? Wouldn't that be awesome?

Speaker 3 Like, I think like get those people who really work their connections. I, you know.

Speaker 6 The ones who are used to hosting the games and not playing them. Yes.

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Speaker 2 up next, Hannah from Love Island joins the Vile Files to talk about her unceremonious exit from the villa, her thoughts on why she was sent home, how she's feeling now, will she get back with Charlie, all of that and more.

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Speaker 6 Oh, one clap?

Speaker 7 I didn't know you were doing one clap. I thought it was like, multiple.

Speaker 6 We're just syncing audio. We're just syncing audio.

Speaker 7 Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 See, I'm already programmed to the clap on the queue, you know.

Speaker 6 All right, ready to rock and roll?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 Hannah, welcome to the show. So glad to have you.
We're excited to talk.

Speaker 7 I'm so excited.

Speaker 6 No, I have so many questions for you. I love you so much.

Speaker 6 Please tell me you are going to rekindle with Charlie. I need to know right now.

Speaker 7 You know, I am still completely disconnected from the outside world. I have no clue what's going on.
I know no clue what's going on in his head.

Speaker 7 I think it's all kind of whatever happens is supposed to happen. I don't think I'm going to force any of my connections outside of the villa because I didn't do it inside.

Speaker 7 But, you know,

Speaker 2 let's just play like a game.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 You get your phone back. You got like three messages from Charlie, a couple DMs.
He probably doesn't doesn't have your number. And he's like, When and where, girl, I will come to you.
Do you say yes?

Speaker 7 Yeah, of course. Okay.
I like, we were like in our own world the whole time. We were always laughing.
We had the best time.

Speaker 6 We seriously did. We had him on the show a couple episodes ago, and he said that he was obviously watching the show and he said he would skip past your parts.

Speaker 7 Oh, that's sad.

Speaker 7 I'm like, meanwhile, me, I only watched my parts.

Speaker 6 it was like after he left he was like i didn't want to see her with pepe so i would just fast forward oh wait that's really sad that makes me feel really sad so sweet

Speaker 2 like i'm sorry charlie i'm sorry charlie i really did talk about him all the time well that being said i mean like you know we get it right it's love island things move fast um but

Speaker 6 You know, now that you got a taste of both of these, you know, handsome men, which direction are you leaning over no no no who were you more upset yeah okay to leave pepe or for charlie to leave you i feel like i'm gonna hurt your feelings with this one no not at all we don't care listen we just want you to be hannah we just want you happy happy hannah yeah definitely i think i was more sad to leave pepe okay do you think you were more sad to leave pepe or more sad to just be like abruptly ejected from your environment and the villa yeah i think that also plays a part in it, but I also think like there is a complete other side of like me and Pepe's story that's just like nobody knows about.

Speaker 7 My reality and my experience is really different than what I saw. I'm like, it looks like he hates my guts, but I promise, like, it's a way to get out of here.

Speaker 2 Well, give us, now's the time. Give us a little bit of that insight.
Like, you know, give us the like the Hannah and Pepe love story.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think he,

Speaker 7 honestly, I don't even think there's a word in my vocabulary that would like articulate and illustrate like the connection that we had.

Speaker 7 I think we, it was so like, I don't even know the word, like ambiguous. We had like really like silly like banter.

Speaker 7 Honestly, like we bullied each other a lot, but it was like, it was all fun and games. And that's what they showed.

Speaker 7 Like they showed us like bullying each other, but it was always jokes or like we'd slip each other off like across the villa.

Speaker 7 But then like we would have these really serious moments and I honestly was never not reassured by that man.

Speaker 7 Like if he was going to go talk to somebody, he'd be like, by the way, I'm going to go have this chat. Like I'll come back and like let you know everything.

Speaker 7 And before the

Speaker 7 recoup, not recoupling, whatever, when I got sent home, the elimination, he sat down with me after, like, it was right before, it was literally right before I got eliminated.

Speaker 7 And he was like, I don't know what's happening tonight. He was like, all I know that if this is like.

Speaker 7 I'm leaving tonight and this is the last chat that I get to have, like, I really wanted to have it with you. And so in my mind, I'm like, we're fine.
Like, we're like the strongest couple.

Speaker 7 Nothing's going to happen.

Speaker 7 And then I think it was just a really big shock but there's so much that I hope that I get to see like little behind the scenes because we would just stay up all night talking all night like literally the sun would be up and we'd get like 10 minutes of sleep and be delusional I think that's why we were like so delusional all the time tell us something about Pepe America America hasn't been able to learn yet He surprised me way more than I ever thought he would.

Speaker 7 He's so different. And I think everyone in the villa can like attest to that.
He's so different than what I thought when I originally had like connected with him. He is so sweet.

Speaker 7 He's like literally such a man. He's such a gentleman.
He's so reassuring to everyone. Like he always is checking on everyone.

Speaker 7 He literally like Charlie gets sent home and he's comforting me for hours and like making me a bunch of food.

Speaker 6 And I think that honestly came across. I think America was like, he seems just like a really, really nice,

Speaker 6 like sweet guy. I think that did come across.
Have you wrecked your brain on why they chose you?

Speaker 7 You know, I was kind of waiting to get clarity from like watching the episodes and I never did.

Speaker 2 Let's be honest, Hannah, they've fucked you over.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, it hurt a lot. And like, those were my friends.
And I don't think our friendships were really shown as well either. I was really close with all of them.

Speaker 7 I was really close with Huda, but I think I was really mad at Huda the last couple of days I was in the villa.

Speaker 2 Did it make you you question the genuineness of those friendships?

Speaker 7 No, because

Speaker 7 I know that it's, we have no sleep and like we're all kind of deluded half the time. Like we don't know what's going on.

Speaker 7 And like, yeah, I was really, really upset, but I think it's just conversations that we need to have like post villa. You know, I think we all had talked about like watching the show together.

Speaker 7 and being like, wait, wait, wait, wait, this is what I meant when I said that, you know, because we say a lot of shit we don't mean.

Speaker 7 There was a lot of Hurricane Hannah's throughout the villa that weren't shown. You know, I like had my crash out moments.
But

Speaker 2 let's be real here. Like, between like we all thought, like, and we loved Iris.
She seems like a chill person.

Speaker 6 We didn't all think Iris. Iris stood on the front lines for Hurricane Huda and took one for the team by being partner with.
I just thought we thought Amaya.

Speaker 6 Well, I think a lot of people didn't really have well, there was a case for either.

Speaker 2 And no disrespect for any, we were fans of all three women, but like Iris was in a relationship or kind of with Jeremiah. She wasn't really making a lot of connections.

Speaker 2 She had the buddings of a match with JT. Amaya had been striking out.
Like, I think a lot of frustrations with America right now is there's not a lot of like connections being made, right?

Speaker 2 People aren't like, it's just a lot of friends.

Speaker 2 But you've been, you've been really trying and you've been really making these connections. And so of those three women, you were the one that like had something going with Pepe.

Speaker 2 And so it just like made no sense why they chose you. And it seems kind of messed up.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Iris is such a sweetheart. And I think that she really does deserve that chance.
I think she deserves that opportunity because she did have something going with TJ. It's just not really blossomed yet.

Speaker 7 And I think she was just a sweetheart. And like, I defended that girl to the end of time.
Like, I was sitting there, like, waiting for them to reveal who they had chosen. I was like, please don't.

Speaker 7 Like, I don't want it to be Iris because she just hasn't had her time yet. I think Amaya, too, like, she's, oh my gosh, that girl is full of emotion.

Speaker 7 And I just think she really has not found her connection yet. So although I didn't think it was going to be me, I really

Speaker 7 didn't want it to be them either.

Speaker 7 I didn't want it to be any of us. I knew it was going to go one way or the other.

Speaker 7 But I think what had bugged me is it said that, like, it's, I think, I don't remember who said it, but they said there was more effort from Iris and Amaya, which I just don't think is true.

Speaker 2 You were the only one in a relationship.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because even still I was still exploring, I had a conversation with TJ. I wasn't really feeling it.
Me and Jalen did several times try to have talks. There was just not really time.

Speaker 7 Because I was like the one that was like, I'm going to talk to literally every single person and whatever works out will. But like, I never had to force my connections.

Speaker 7 They just kind of fell into place. And it was so beautiful.
And it was an amazing experience. But I do feel like it was cut short.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I think it was Sierra who was trying to justify the decision by saying like, you were so lucky to have these two amazing connections that like the other two women deserve that chance.

Speaker 6 And it's like, you don't get sent home because you have a connection. You get sent home because you can't form a connection.
So it was a little like, I think America definitely was, was very upset.

Speaker 6 We were pissed.

Speaker 6 We were pissed.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it did make me sad because Sierra was like my big sister.

Speaker 7 I feel like we had like, she was really reassuring of me and she would always like, whenever I was down, she really have love talks with me. So it does, it does hurt, but.

Speaker 7 you know, at the end of the day, there's nothing I can do to change it. And I just had to move forward.

Speaker 6 Mature answers.

Speaker 2 Did you see last night's episode?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 7 I did. I was

Speaker 7 freaking the fuck out.

Speaker 6 Were you crying? I was crying.

Speaker 7 I was crying. I was like, no, because Alandria, that is my fucking girl.
That is my girl. Like, she got me through all of my funks in the villa.
And she's the funniest girl in the fucking world.

Speaker 7 And Nick, too. Nick, Nick was like one of my really close friends as well.
And I was like, what the? Like, I was like, send that back home, guys.

Speaker 2 So we don't know what's going on. Obviously, it doesn't seem like they're actually gone.
Who knows what the producers are cooking up?

Speaker 2 Like, America's a bit frustrated with them messing with the format of CASA more, but, like, you know, whatever. I guess we'll see.
Maybe we'll be happy in the end.

Speaker 2 That being said, it's interesting that it was Orlandria and Nick getting in the car together.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you're aware of this, probably not because you don't have your phone, but there's been a lot of like fans like kind of sipping the idea of Orlandria and Nick.

Speaker 2 They've, you know, whether it's in the games or like just like little looks that, you know, maybe they're catching in the villa, but like there's a lot of people like kind of speculating there's like this hidden love affair between the two of them.

Speaker 2 Does that make any sense to you whatsoever? Is there anything there? Could we be surprised? Is this what the producers are cooking up for us? What do you have to say about that?

Speaker 7 Oh my gosh, if that there is, it's really hidden. And maybe I'm fucking oblivious, but I mean, I know we like would make out with her and challenges, but like challenges were challenges.

Speaker 7 We just made out with everyone. Like, it was literally just like a big make out session.
All right.

Speaker 6 Okay. So you didn't see any like flirtiness going on between the two of them that made you think, oh, maybe.

Speaker 7 Nick's a flirt. Nick flirts with everyone.
Nick would flirt with like a brick wall.

Speaker 7 But I don't know, maybe there was, but I really could not say, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, you left right before Casa Moore happened, and I know that you had something nice going with Pepe. That being said, were any of the men that entered in casa more did they any of them kind of um

Speaker 2 pique your interest do you think you you know which of the guys do you think you would have gone for um yeah there was like they were all cute um we want names

Speaker 7 i think i think elan was really cute uh like that's like who i was drawn to when I was watching and I was like, damn, I had, I missed out.

Speaker 7 But, you know, I really do like my connections that I did have.

Speaker 2 What are your predictions about what's going to happen next episode?

Speaker 7 Damn.

Speaker 7 Hopefully, we find out what's going on with. I think they're either going to have like Nick go to CASA and Elandria go back to the villa.
Maybe spice that up a little and see. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 But I don't know. I feel like that would be a little crazy.

Speaker 7 I hope that Sierra gives a little bit more of an opportunity to Elan because I feel like they kind of have this similar vibe that's really cute. I don't know.

Speaker 7 I'm like, I'm, I'm just as curious as you are because now I'm like outside of the villa. I'm like, I don't want to know.

Speaker 6 I don't want to watch. Have you been? They haven't shown a lot of it, but Grayson and Pepe are obviously coupled right now.

Speaker 6 How does that make you feel?

Speaker 7 Oh, I was skipping through that whole episode trying to find it. I'm like, damn, there's nothing.
I'm like, maybe that's a good thing.

Speaker 7 But he did say something that was like, it's weird, like waking up in bed and like, and it's like.

Speaker 7 not her or whatever. I think it was cut off.
I don't know what the rest of the sentence was, but I was like, oh,

Speaker 7 like, I just

Speaker 7 you know i try not to think about it too much i really think he deserves happiness no matter if it's with a new connection or whatever i want him to have the best experience in there but what do you really want do you like are you just more like this is like love island and that'll stay at love island or would you be really happy if uh pepe came out looking for you um yeah that would be nice but also i know how much one conversation can change everything um it's literally like one day to the next you could feel completely different.

Speaker 7 And I think coming out, I was like, I don't know what's going to happen. I had two really, really great connections, and I don't know how either of them would play out in the outside world.

Speaker 7 But, you know, he, we did have like plans together, like for when we were out. So hopefully those fall through and follow through.

Speaker 7 And if not, then like I really enjoyed that experience with him and I learned a lot. Okay.

Speaker 2 All right. You got to ask.

Speaker 7 What? Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Speaker 6 oh

Speaker 6 i almost forgot i'm like she's so sweet and innocent and just this

Speaker 6 so the spitting in the hand

Speaker 6 were you like did you need like moisturizer were your hands like a little dry

Speaker 7 uh did you forget about the cameras was it did you feel like it's so or did you just not give a yeah did you just not give a fuck okay for one yeah i i feel like i was like somebody who really forgot i was being recorded like all the time even i think pepe was saying like at least we got our mics off and i was like there's mics in the headboard

Speaker 7 and i think like i i thought we were being discreet i really and when i saw that i was gagged i was like no

Speaker 6 i really thought like nobody's gonna have a glue nobody's gonna yeah i mean it was just like the combo of like you sitting in your hand and then just like his body just

Speaker 6 back and forth i'm like did she just oh is his oh my god

Speaker 7 There's a lot of spitting from me this time.

Speaker 2 Did it last longer than 26 seconds, though? Because Nick, I only asked because Nick wouldn't shut up about how brief his interaction was.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I think, yeah, it was probably longer than 26 seconds.
I don't know. I was like, I would think, I was on high alert the entire time.
I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 Yeah, when I, you got to ask, because like you guys are all sleeping in the same room. Are people, like, when shit's going down? Yeah.
Like are your bunk mates like covering their ears?

Speaker 2 Are there jokes being made? Are there like little snickers? Like are people like, do they know what's going on?

Speaker 7 I think nobody ever knew that me and Pepe were intimate at all because we would stay up for hours talking. Everyone was already asleep before like anything.

Speaker 7 Like that was probably like three hours after we went to bed.

Speaker 6 Did you ever hear Huda and Jeremiah? Because they were before you. Yeah.
You did.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I I would sleep with earplugs.

Speaker 6 Really?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I know. Did it help? Or were you like a little bit of a double-decker?

Speaker 2 Was it like she wanted people to know?

Speaker 7 Oh, I don't really know. I think they just kissed really, really loudly.
Okay. All right.

Speaker 2 You mentioned earlier that you were mad at Huda the last couple of days. I mean, obviously, Hurricane Huda, she's made a lot of, a lot of waves, but.

Speaker 2 Was it just because of everything that we're seeing and why America seems to be frustrated with her?

Speaker 2 Are there specific things that we didn't get to see that was frustrating you about Huda?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know, we were the two hurricanes of the villa. I think that's something me and her always joked about, that we had our own crash outs and hurricanes.

Speaker 2 Two very different storms, I got to be honest.

Speaker 6 Yours is like a light drizzle, maybe. Yours is like, oh, it's raining.
Oh, fun.

Speaker 2 I love thunderstorms.

Speaker 6 Rain boots. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Huda's was like, oh, my God, are the windows closed?

Speaker 7 But I think we, we, we bonded a lot. We had a lot.
We actually like had a lot to talk about and we were really close.

Speaker 7 But I was really close close with everyone i think we honestly really had like really good sisterhood i think partial reasons why i was mad was i was really good friends with iris when she came in and i don't think she was treated fairly um but what i do need to like note is like emotions are really high and i feel like we don't really think very logically

Speaker 7 yeah that's that's fair i was really really mad at her um just like because we did have like a lot of conversations about like my connection and like also her connection and i feel like i was there for her a lot So I did feel a little like, I guess like blindsided by everything.

Speaker 7 And when I left, she was like, just let you know, like, I didn't, like, we didn't send you home because of like us being like in a fight.

Speaker 7 And I think like we never really got our closure with that situation because she tried to like talk to me right before my elimination, but it was like a group setting. So I was kind of uncomfortable.

Speaker 7 Just because like I don't want, I would rather talk to her like one-on-one because I feel like that's when we really like got together the most.

Speaker 7 I think there is a lot that's not shown, but

Speaker 7 she's a mother and like I think that she's mama sita,

Speaker 7 I think that she really deserves to have like a comeback story now that Jeremiah is gone and like really find somebody that like maybe it won't be in the villa, but like, you know, use this experience to really learn and grow from it.

Speaker 6 Some people seem to think that the reason they chose you is because,

Speaker 7 you know, Sierra had just had a conversation with Nick where she was like, i want to be closed off he was like no i want to be open and then huda obviously did not have any connection so a lot of people are maybe thinking that they wanted pepe to themselves do you find any truth in that or do you think that's just ridiculous i know that sierra was interested in still getting to know pepe i just don't think there was ever really the time for that just because you know we were really close we talked all me and pe were talking all the time so maybe potentially i don't think that there's really a door open for huda and pepe at all because I think he was pretty

Speaker 6 much.

Speaker 7 At least from what he told to me, he was like, oh, no, that's not going to happen. But, you know, I would hope Sierra wouldn't do that to me.
But, you know, I can't control anyone else's feelings.

Speaker 7 And I think with Pepe, he was very much like, I'm not going to force a connection with anyone that I don't have. So like, if something blossoms from that, then like, it's what.
is supposed to happen.

Speaker 7 It's what's meant to be.

Speaker 2 I know you have to get going real soon, but

Speaker 2 hopefully a final question, kind of a two-part question. Okay.

Speaker 2 Other than yourself, because like, you know, after Huda swerved and kind of went for Pepe, you at least, you know, said something to her, like respectfully confronted her.

Speaker 2 But I think America in general will seem to be a little frustrated with just the collective group of the women.

Speaker 2 Like we understand they all want to support each other, but we wanted like some of you women to kind of check Huda a little bit. Did that happen that we didn't get to see?

Speaker 2 Or was Huda just like kind of like hard to check?

Speaker 7 I did a lot actually. And so during the milk challenge, I got milked for like two chicken to speak her mind, but I actually told Iris to pour it on me because I'm like the one that stands on business.

Speaker 7 I address everything right away. I think there was a couple clips like during when Iris and Huda were having that conversation in soul ties and Huda was like, oh, that's my dream date.

Speaker 7 And I was like, girl, we didn't plan the date. We didn't even know we were going on the date until we woke up, but they didn't include that.

Speaker 7 And I think when she was telling Iris or saying like, Iris isn't a girl's girl. And I was like, how is she not a girl's girl?

Speaker 7 Like, she's like, she was forced into a couple so there's a couple times like I think we all yeah I think Shelly especially would also stand I we all did okay we all like would say things and be like girl you're being crazy but like we're all being crazy at times like just the name of the game do you think you'll be friends with Huda post show after the show I think that we need to have like a chat like completely offline off camera and I really did have a good connection with her but I think I was really hurt and that that's things that we need to talk about but only time will tell i don't know how she's gonna feel outside i don't know what's going on outside so i have no clue what anyone's perception of anything is so it's a little like you're just kind of sitting there in your room by yourself like thinking everything's crazy and you don't know what

Speaker 2 so i think you can sleep good at night knowing that everyone loves you think she's the better because i'm like oh my god everyone i mean listen listen as someone who's been in your shoes before not love island style but like just have fun with this whole experience.

Speaker 2 Like stay offline. Truly, like people are fans of you.
People might say shit online. Who gives a fuck about any of that shit? Like we had so much fun watching you.
You were an absolute delight.

Speaker 2 You played the game right. You went for it.
Like, you know,

Speaker 2 you should be proud of how you carry yourself and we're big fans.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 2 All right, Hannah. Appreciate your time.
I know you have to get going. Best of luck going forward.

Speaker 2 We hope to see you again somehow, some way on our television set, maybe with the Love Island Challenge or whatever, or maybe there's an after-show next season. You never know.
So

Speaker 2 we'll see you around and best of luck.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 2 All right. Take care.
Bye-bye. All right.
Finally, we're getting into the valley here. Honestly, the only thing I want to talk about is that stupid man therapy.

Speaker 2 I mean, this, I don't, this, who is this guy who is like, you know, he looks like the American Idol winner. What's his name?

Speaker 6 Chris Daughtry.

Speaker 2 Chris Daughtry, his clone.

Speaker 2 Like, life coach that like fucking Jesse keeps bringing along. It's like, are you a life coach? Are you a bro? Are you part of the friend group?

Speaker 2 Did they just like add one of the guys in their friend group to be like, hey, do you guys want to be our, you want to be our therapist?

Speaker 6 Or to a friend? When I was taking notes on this episode, I was like, fake therapy.

Speaker 2 Fake, uh, fake

Speaker 2 rehab, life coaches. What, what is like.

Speaker 6 And the way he was like, so what we're going to do is you're going to tell me all of the things that you are struggling with. And that's called a list.
It's like, that was crazy. That was crazy.

Speaker 6 It's like I make one of those

Speaker 6 shit, a list, like

Speaker 6 I'm a Virgo. And that's called a list in my sleep.

Speaker 2 You know that every, listen, if you're in your 30s or older and you hang out with your boys like you did in college, you're a loser.

Speaker 6 Word.

Speaker 2 You're just like, you're supposed to mature as life goes on.

Speaker 6 I don't think any of these guys are in their 30s. They're all in their 40s.
Whatever.

Speaker 2 I'm fine, but that makes them more losers. You know, I just like at some point, you have to to like grow out of old relationships.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm still like friends with, I have, I have friends from high school, but we don't talk every day.

Speaker 2 You know, we have lives, you know, we are, you know, and maybe if, and listen, if you're not lucky enough to have a family or maybe you chose not to have kids.

Speaker 6 They're filming a show. They have to hang out.

Speaker 2 I don't give a shit. But, you know, but like the way they bond like this, it's just like, why can't they have some more?

Speaker 2 This is who this group is.

Speaker 6 I actually don't think they hang out that often when they're not filming. It's like, I don't think they're that good of friends.

Speaker 2 I do think they're fine. Maybe so.
Maybe it's just a show.

Speaker 2 But like, I do think there's a lot of, I think there's a lot of like adult couples out there that like still need to hang out with their friends more than they should. Don't you know?

Speaker 6 I mean, if they want to hang out with their friends, I guess I don't really care about that.

Speaker 2 Nothing to hang out with their friends, but it's just more like this might be a show, but there is a legitimate. group chat of these guys that is a daily chat that they talk about.

Speaker 2 That's a real thing, you know, that it's like, I don't, I just don't think like people who like have lives and who like are invested in like their, like are, are waking up and messaging in some like 20 deep group chat, like with like locker room jokes.

Speaker 6 And to your point, when Jesse was like to Luke, that you're loyal, your blind loyalty to your friend. To your girlfriend.
Your girlfriend, yeah.

Speaker 6 Like where it's like, because he's in a healthy relationship. He puts his girlfriend before your needs, Jesse.
That's what you're supposed to do in a marriage, marriage, let alone a relationship.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and I want to preface.

Speaker 2 I think Luke's being dragged down by these men, and Danny seems like an all right guy, a father of four who like signed up for a show that he probably regrets doing.

Speaker 2 The way, the amount of times Danny has to apologize to this fucking cast is fucking crazy. He's apologizing every episode.

Speaker 2 He's the only one who actually takes accountability, and it's for the dumbest fucking shit.

Speaker 6 And they still don't let it go. At the Mexican restaurant, Janet is

Speaker 6 kissed off again about about the same old shit.

Speaker 6 That's what my biggest gripe with this show is right now: I feel like we're still talking about the same drama over and over and over and over and over again. Like, why is Janet bringing up the

Speaker 6 rest of it again? And who's bringing it up over and over and over again?

Speaker 6 It's like Janet knows that they're filming a reality show and she needs drama, so she's just like bringing shit up for no reason.

Speaker 6 Yes, my boyfriend actually made an astute observation, and he was like, This, she doesn't fit with what's going on in this scene.

Speaker 6 And I was like, Yes, it's like watching a real housewife of New Jersey having lunch with real housewives of Beverly Hills. Yeah.
Like, it's just like you were just yelling at nobody at dead air.

Speaker 6 And Kristen's not even there anymore. She got up and she left five minutes ago.
I don't know why you're yelling.

Speaker 6 Is that she's done. Like she's done with the tear.
She's done with it being intense. She's done with this.
She's done with that. It's like, okay, then if you're done, then shut up.
Yeah. Be done.

Speaker 6 Literally. We're waiting for you to be done.
And then she's like,

Speaker 6 in the next scene, she's like, I guess I really hurt Nia's feelings because she got up crying.

Speaker 6 It's like, oh, so you do care that she was crying or you can't take it when she cries when it gets too intense. You can't do the tears.
Like, which one is it?

Speaker 6 Or is it that not enough people, once she left, had your back? They actually said to you that was kind of fucked up. And now it's like, oh, I guess I'll have some level of humility and take it back.

Speaker 6 I'm like, you're making this woman cry. She's been through enough.
Like, no, and the whole thing is you drink too much.

Speaker 6 Isn't your whole gripe with everybody else is that they drink too much and that they're not in control of their behavior?

Speaker 2 We gotta, we gotta get get Luke on the show. I want to get, well, I want to see, I want to hear what Luke really thinks of these guys.
Yeah, I feel like he would talk some 100%.

Speaker 6 I also, one thing, just going back to the counselor, wasn't this counselor Jesse's failed marriage counselor with Michelle?

Speaker 6 It was first season. He failed at keeping your marriage together.
He's your personal therapist. You've shown zero growth.
He's not. And now we're going to do a

Speaker 6 therapist? He's a life coach. No, he's.
Yeah, he's not giving certified. It's giving accountability coach.
Yeah, it's not a real job.

Speaker 2 I mean, mean, it was, it was stupid.

Speaker 6 This, honestly, the show, I'm done. Like, do you want to talk about being done? I think I'm done with the show.
It's so boring. It's so predictable.
It's so dark. It's so like, it's not a fun watch.

Speaker 6 It's like every time I watch it, there's nothing like history at all.

Speaker 6 It also feels like Groundhog's Day. I'm like, what? Didn't I see this already?

Speaker 6 Well, and then it kind of feels like gross too, because I'm like, whether Dan, I mean, Danny seems to be supporting his family doing well as a family man, but it's like they got him to essentially admit about like hiding his drinking on camera.

Speaker 6 And it's just kind of like, I'm like, okay, and now Jason. That was the biggest breakthrough.
And Jason's like, this is so great. This is huge that he admitted.

Speaker 6 And I'm just like, why are you trying to put this on national television? Like, if you cared about this person,

Speaker 6 then you would want them to work on that on their own.

Speaker 6 Like, you don't treat your actual friends this way. But then you support Jax the day he gets out of rehab being like, oh, yep, nope, you've got a drinking problem.

Speaker 6 Like, I wouldn't be pointing fingers, sir, while we're a work in progress for the last 15 years. No, it's, crazy.

Speaker 2 Moving on to next gen. The only thing, my biggest takeaway this episode, the only thing I really wanted to discuss is

Speaker 2 it was a remote. I don't think I'll do this as a parent, but the way I really empathize for Charlie.
I mean, his dad seems like a real prick.

Speaker 6 And like Charlie's awful.

Speaker 6 Carly is awful.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know, but he's like, I get why he's awful.

Speaker 6 I get why he's awful. He's like, you know what? Actually, now I kind of do want to fuck Ariana.

Speaker 2 No, he is awful, but he's

Speaker 2 clearly his dad is like in every scene. He clearly

Speaker 2 wants to be famous. He's obviously the successful business person.

Speaker 2 And the way he competes with Charlie is gross. Like, I just

Speaker 2 to be a parent who competes with your kids is such an awful lot of people.

Speaker 6 I love the early 20-year-old girls. Like, who's more attractive, me or Charlie?

Speaker 6 They're all like, oh,

Speaker 6 it's

Speaker 2 that's that's that's why Charlie is the way he is. His dad, like, taught him.
His dad is an asshole who basically said you have to be an asshole.

Speaker 2 And, and his dad is, you know, obviously professionally successful.

Speaker 2 And so Charlie, his whole life has been, you know, he might be a prick, but when they interview Charlie and he's just like, he has more memories of

Speaker 2 like, he doesn't know what it's like to feel love from his father. It's like, it's kind of sad.
And, you know, it really makes the Mr. Marks,

Speaker 2 you know, corky, but a good dad. He seems like a loving father.
But, you know.

Speaker 6 What is this drama going on with Gia?

Speaker 2 Well, she doesn't think there are taxes in Jersey, which is.

Speaker 6 Also not true.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean,

Speaker 2 maybe in their household.

Speaker 6 Did you see Gia sign up on that local news channel? And they were like, she's like, that is not what I signed up for.

Speaker 6 Earlier this month, there were rumors swirling that Gia was fired following a cheating scandal at her university.

Speaker 2 Why would the show fire her for?

Speaker 6 It sounds like it was all speculation.

Speaker 6 Yeah, what? I don't know. It sounds like it was all socially abusing his wife.

Speaker 2 I don't think they're going to be able to cheating on a test.

Speaker 6 Sounds like it's all speculation. And Andy Cohen is saying that he's not a producer of Next Gen, but it's the first time he's hearing of any discord.

Speaker 8 What happened was that people were speculating that Gia was fired from the cast of Next Gen for, in quotes, inappropriate behavior.

Speaker 8 But Andy was like, I don't know of any of that to be true, but I'm also not a producer.

Speaker 6 Wait, so inappropriate behavior at school or?

Speaker 2 I don't think she's fired. I know it as like with the cast.

Speaker 6 She's not. No, it's all supposedly a cheating scandal, but she said, I'm not fired from Bravo.
And the cheating scandal is just not true. That never happened.
I also graduated two years ago

Speaker 6 and this story came out like two weeks ago. So, you know, the math is just not mathing.
People are just bored. They don't have anything better to do or say or post.

Speaker 6 But no, sadly, guys, I'm still on Bravo. Sorry to break your hearts.
Sadly, guys, I'm still on Bravo. She is Teresa's daughter.

Speaker 6 For real. Well, she's definitely one of the stars.

Speaker 2 Honestly, like, you know, again, it's, I'm not totally invested yet in the show. Like, it's, it's a fun watch.
He still has the glitz and glamour of New York.

Speaker 2 It does seem like it's a cast of like Charlie aside, like, decent people, which,

Speaker 2 you know, says a lot, given like they've had some wild upbringings.

Speaker 6 And some of them have like crazy jobs, you know, like Georgia's like, oh, I just prowl events and she's like, what, in her 20s? Like, it's just, I don't know.

Speaker 6 It's like, it's kind of cool seeing like people actually trying to make it in Manhattan with different goals. Like Ariana's starting a clothing brand.

Speaker 6 Like Ava's a very successful model with her like super super successful producer dad. Like it's just cute seeing them like the different types of lifestyles they lead.

Speaker 6 And a lot of people have like seen these kids grow up.

Speaker 6 Even like the way Ava's like, I love talking to my dad because it's just so nice talking to someone who's just so sat and ready to hear everything that I have to say.

Speaker 6 And it's like, I don't know, it's cute because it's like you would think some of these people would be really out of touch and they seem like very connected with their families.

Speaker 6 And then you have Charlie on the complete polar opposite end and they all kind of come from different places. So well, Mary said that if we didn't mention this, she would be really upset.

Speaker 6 So i'm going to mention this she wanted us to bring up george's take on dating men in finance georgia said i don't think it's ironic that i'm dating someone in finance because he's not in finance he's in crypto which i think is actually the antithesis of like finance jobs it's way more anarchist way more radical

Speaker 2 georgia's an interesting one that's that's a take i mean you know it's a different type of finance but

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 2 Well, hopefully the valley gets more positive. I'll have to drag Nally, you know,

Speaker 2 I'm not checked out yet.

Speaker 2 I think we have

Speaker 2 Kristen and Luke getting.

Speaker 6 Well, Kristen and Luke are getting a lot of money.

Speaker 2 I don't know when their engagement episode is, but I feel like that's going to happen soon. Because we do know that they are going to be able to get a lot of money.

Speaker 6 If it's not next episode,

Speaker 6 that's going to be annoying.

Speaker 2 So we'll have to watch that. And then, you know,

Speaker 2 let's just

Speaker 2 give next gen some time. But up next, we got the stars of McBee Dynasty, Stephen and Calla.

Speaker 2 Steven, Calla, welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 Thanks for having us. Excited to be on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, excited to be with you guys. As someone who's a big Yellowstone fan, as I'm sure you guys have heard this plenty of times, it's been fun to discover this show, McBee Dynasty.

Speaker 2 I'm new to the show. You know, I just, I've been catching up.
I've seen the first episode of this season, but what has this experience been like for y'all?

Speaker 2 And I'm assuming you guys hear the Yellowstone reference a lot.

Speaker 5 We hear it quite a bit. And to us, it's a compliment.
I love Yellowstone. I mean, I think it's one of the best series I've seen in recent years.

Speaker 5 And a lot of what is on that show is very accurate to what takes place on a modern-day farm and ranch, aside from the train station and a few other components that are not accurate.

Speaker 3 But other than that,

Speaker 2 you guys don't murder a lot of people.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they don't kill people.

Speaker 5 Yeah, there's no murder or anything happening behind the scenes. But, you know,

Speaker 5 it's been an experience. It's been a journey, a roller coaster ride.
And I think whenever we first hopped on reality TV for this show specifically, we said, we're not going to hide anything.

Speaker 6 We're going to be raw, authentic.

Speaker 5 We're going to show all of our flaws and all of their glory, I guess.

Speaker 2 How about you, Kylo?

Speaker 6 It's really not too chaotic.

Speaker 9 I mean, we did a dating show. That was the first show that we did.
And then obviously McBe Dynasty season one was completely different than the dating show. But

Speaker 9 no, I mean, it has its ups and downs, but it's been pretty good overall for sure.

Speaker 2 Stephen, obviously, like, you know, your dad's recently kind of made some headlines getting in some legal trouble, and it seems like he's taken a step back from the show.

Speaker 2 What is that pressure like for you, both, I guess, as the kind of the leading man of the show, but also just on a personal level?

Speaker 2 Like, how do you balance both like, you know, the court of public opinion, being there for your family legally? Like, what does that emotional baggage feel like dealing with?

Speaker 5 For the last year, year and a half that this has been ongoing, not only with the show, but the legal issues as well, it's definitely cranked up the pressure.

Speaker 5 And the stress and pressure that I've felt, you know, it's been tremendous and there's no way I would have gotten through it and gotten to this point thus far if it wasn't for how tight-knit my family is.

Speaker 5 You know, having Cala as support,

Speaker 5 it takes an entire team to get through something like this, let alone run all the businesses day to day.

Speaker 5 And so I'm just very, very thankful that I do have that family support, the support from Cala to really help me keep going through the hard times.

Speaker 2 For the audience, the people listening who may not be familiar with what's going on with your dad. I don't know what you're allowed to say.

Speaker 2 Obviously, I'm sure there's some legal elements at play, but everyone loves a scandal. What is your family dealing with as it relates to your dad?

Speaker 2 And how optimistic are you that you guys are going to be able to work through it?

Speaker 5 Yeah, so there is an FBI investigation into

Speaker 5 my dad and some things that took place in the farming operation. This would have been back in 2018, 2019, is what they're looking at.
And we really are kept in the dark.

Speaker 5 And I'm being 100% honest when I say that as far as what's taking place in the investigation, where we're we're currently at.

Speaker 5 We're hoping to have everything wrapped up by the end of this year, but we have no idea what the fallout is going to be, what the repercussions are going to be.

Speaker 5 And so really, we're just leaning on one another as a family, coming together as a family, and just really being there to support and love and show love to my dad as he goes through this.

Speaker 2 Do you know what kind of charges he's facing in terms of like potential years or, you know, I don't know, what does that look like?

Speaker 6 It's all up in the air right now.

Speaker 5 You know, I think they're coming around to the final conclusions that they're finding.

Speaker 5 But as far as specifics go, we don't really know. I mean, it is such a wide range of what could happen.

Speaker 5 And for me specifically, I know if I let myself go down the rabbit hole and spiral to worst case scenario, it's a pretty dark place.

Speaker 5 So I try not to think about worst case scenario and just focus, you know, on the task at hand, the businesses that we run day to day and, you know, the positives that we have going on because we do have so many good things going on.

Speaker 2 and i hate to say that you compartmentalize but you try to do your best to do that yeah 100 i mean it's i know you mentioned like you know obviously some of the the train station aside but you know back to the yellowstone comparison it's there was a lot of storylines between you know just like the federal government and then running the farm and and just kind of like the difference of opinions of how things should operate it's kind of fascinating the correlation between uh your guys's show and and uh kind of a fictional scripted scripted show like Yellowstone.

Speaker 5 There's a quote in Yellowstone, and I think it was maybe John Dutton that said it. He said, you build something worth having, and everyone's going to try and take it from you.

Speaker 5 And that is so applicable to a real life, modern day farm and ranch, especially one of our size. Seems like every single day we wake up to a new fight, a new battle coming from somewhere.

Speaker 5 And, you know, like I said, if we didn't have the family support and love, we would never be able to take on what we do day in and day out.

Speaker 2 Do you feel like the attention that the show has gotten has, in a way, like put more of a spotlight spotlight on you guys in terms of like what you know the FBI and the charges your family's facing?

Speaker 6 Without a doubt.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's not even a question. And you know, we knew that there was some inherent risk in having a platform.

Speaker 5 Um, and there are so many good things that, that come with having a platform, but obviously you do have some some downsides too. And that for sure is one of them.

Speaker 2 So obviously this is a show that's kind of seems not to be your normal Bravo show. A lot of the Bravo shows are taking places in cities.

Speaker 2 And why do you feel like this show is something that your average Bravo fan, you know, should start paying attention to?

Speaker 9 Because it is so different from the other Bravo shows that are out right now. It just adds that extra like factor to it, don't you think?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I would say so. And I can't speak for everyone else's shows,

Speaker 5 you know, as far as the authenticity or how real they are. I can speak for our own and say that there is not one element of this show that was scripted or preconceived.

Speaker 5 Like this is our day-to-day, our everyday lives. What you see on camera is how our lives are off camera 24-7, 365.

Speaker 9 Yes, unfortunately, some of the times, yes.

Speaker 2 It's fascinating. I don't think a lot of people realize this, but you guys met on Joe Millionaire.

Speaker 6 Yep. We did.
And on a dating show.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And how did you end up on that show, Cala?

Speaker 9 So I was reached out to on Instagram. This was, I was right out of a relationship.
This was, what, three years ago?

Speaker 6 Four years? Yeah, it'd have been four years.

Speaker 5 First part of 2021. Yeah.

Speaker 9 So it was a while ago, but they reached out to me on instagram and i had like 2 000 followers at the time and i was like why not i'm freshly single and so went on the show had no idea the concept of the show what it was called anything like that but yeah that was wild time

Speaker 5 it was yeah for me it was the same thing they reached out on instagram and where my farm is where my farmhouse is i live five miles from my nearest neighbor so you hop on a dating app And I think the circle that the radius that you can expand is like 100 or 150 miles.

Speaker 5 And I would expand that thing all the way. And I still couldn't reach like a major city.
So you're fishing in a very, very, very small pond in a small town like that.

Speaker 5 And I was like, okay, conventional dating styles are not working here. Maybe a dating show will be the way to go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 it must have been wild for you. Like, and having all these, I'm assuming, beautiful women show up and pickings must be slim in a small, small town.

Speaker 9 Yo, he made sure to make out with every single person on that show. He was like getting his fix.

Speaker 5 I enjoyed the show.

Speaker 6 It was fun.

Speaker 2 What set Cala apart from the rest of them?

Speaker 5 I just think that we have a lot of similar values, family values for sure. And so she was born and raised in Dallas, grew up in some suburbs of Chicago, moved back to Dallas.

Speaker 5 So she's a Midwestern girl at heart. There was the majority of the women were from West Coast, East Coast.

Speaker 5 So there was a lot of things that we, you know, we just struggled to find similarities on me being from the Midwest. And I think Cala and I just hit it off right from the very get-go.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we're also pretty opposite when it comes to a lot of things, but I think that helped our relationship too. We really balanced each other out in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 For sure.

Speaker 2 Do you ever, do you ever take him out back to the city, Cala?

Speaker 6 Occasionally.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 5 We've gotten dressed up a few times.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 He'll pull out a colored shirt every now and then.

Speaker 6 I never lose the boots and yeah, yeah, the boots and the hat stay, but yeah, we've, we've enjoyed ourselves in Dallas.

Speaker 2 What can people expect this season on McBee Dynasty? Is it mostly drama? Is it love? Like, what are we looking at? And what can people look forward to?

Speaker 5 It's a mix of it all. I mean, you have the interpersonal relationships.
You have my dad and his women, and I say that plural,

Speaker 5 that he is dating and all of the issues that fall out from that and what us boys have to pick up from all of his dating and issues that he has.

Speaker 5 You have Calla's and I's relationship, which has its roller coaster ride throughout the season. My brother's getting married.
Another one.

Speaker 2 has a baby on the way.

Speaker 9 And don't forget Galena.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Galena, yeah, who is our CFO/slash my dad's ex-girlfriend, who my dad is now dating her best friend, ex-best friend. So that's just messy enough as it is.

Speaker 5 So you put all these elements together, then you throw an FBI investigation and trying to run a farmer ranch day to day. And it's a mess.
It's a train wreck, but it's a fun train wreck.

Speaker 2 Yeah, how do you keep that mental health afloat, Stephen?

Speaker 5 A lot of evening walks on the farm, walking up and down.

Speaker 2 So my driveway is about a mile-long gravel drive.

Speaker 9 And we'll go walking up and down that about three or four times a day especially on the the high anxiety days thank hella and i i was watching episode one i believe it was you but like you opened up you know you've you've dealt with some tragedy in your family as well yes uh my sister my little sister mallory she passed away last year two months before we started filming i'm very sorry to hear that thank you um yeah it's been a very difficult year it still is very difficult for me to think about and talk about but yeah you see that unfold and everything was happening in real time And just me going through the process of grieving and processing all of those emotions plays out on the show.

Speaker 2 Man, that must be tough. So, how do you guys, you know, come together, the two of you?

Speaker 2 You know, because, you know, usually when relationships deal with some difficult times, it either brings you closer together or breaks you apart.

Speaker 2 Like, how do you feel like it brings you guys closer together?

Speaker 5 I would say hindsight's 2020 and this season two, getting to watch it back is really a good self-reflection for how I was or was not there for Calla in the way that she needed us to be there.

Speaker 5 You know, and I think it's just

Speaker 5 a good showing for my family and I and just understanding that, hey, you know, some of the ways that we acted, some of the ways that we were there to support or did not support Cala, if I could do it all over again, I would probably have changed the way that I acted, some of the things that I did or said, but you get to watch all of this unfold on season two.

Speaker 5 For better or worse, highs and lows,

Speaker 2 we lay it all out there. All right.
Well, I appreciate you guys taking the time. McBee Dynasty is now on Bravo.
It used to be on PCAC. It's one of the few shows that's gone in that direction.

Speaker 2 It is at 9 p.m.

Speaker 2 June 30th, it comes out. So be sure to check it out.
Congratulations, you guys, on another season of McBee Dynasty. Wishing you guys the best of luck, and I hope everyone tunes in.

Speaker 9 Thank you. Thank you.
Thanks for having us.

Speaker 2 I appreciate you guys. Take care.

Speaker 2 All right. Thank you to all of our guests, Paul, Scheer, Hannah from Love Island, Steven, and Kella from MCB Dynasty.

Speaker 2 We will see you next week, which will be a shortened week, an adjusted week next week.

Speaker 2 But coming back on Reality Recap, we will break down the new released cast of Perfect Match since this episode's already forever log. But we'll do that.
So much more talk, Little Love Island.

Speaker 2 Enjoy your week, and we'll see you then. Bye.