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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

I am your host, Nick, and boy, everyone in America is pissed at the producers of Love Island.

We will definitely get into it.

So much to talk about.

We have a very special guest, Paul Scheer, returns to the Vile Files.

He was on a long time ago during COVID.

Actor, comedian, been on many shows, starred in the show, The League, very popular show, very funny guy.

He's watching Love Island.

He's also very deep into the Karen Reed case.

the Sherry Papini case.

We'll talk about some true crime and the true crime that is the Love Island producers right now coming up shortly.

Lots to get into.

Obviously, many of you have already heard the Jeremiah Going Deeper episode.

If you are living under a rock, it is out yesterday.

Check it out.

Sadly, my wife Natalie was not there.

Obviously, things move fast in Love Island.

She was on a business trip.

She was guest starring on The Toast.

And I, as a husband of my wife Natalie, was very proud of my wife.

I, you know, I think we're the best show in town, but I have mad respect for the women of the toast.

They are OGs.

They've been crushing the podcast game long before I even started.

And I think it's, I'm very flattered.

And I think it's very cool that my wife was asked to host The the toast.

I thought it was pretty amazing.

So if you haven't heard that, check it out.

Go listen to it.

But sadly, she couldn't join us for the Jeremiah episode.

I hope I handled myself well without her.

But it was, did you have fun talking with Jackie?

I did.

I had fun.

I was very nervous, very anxious going into it.

I know the toasters, you know, they have high expectations and they're, they can be, you know, a little opinionated.

It's a very

organized and very passionate audience.

Yeah.

But, you know, it's Claudia and Jackie.

Yeah.

They They have their dynamic.

They have their dynamic.

So I was very nervous stepping in, especially stepping into the shoes of Claudia, like big, big, big shoes to like try to even come close to filling.

But I had so much fun.

Jackie is such a sweetheart.

And I feel like my ability to not do math has bitten me in the ass because she was like, oh, you and Nick have an age gap.

And I'm like, yeah, 18 years.

She's like, so how old were you when you met him?

I'm like, 21.

She's like, how old was Nick?

And I'm like, fast math.

Like, how fucking dare you?

First of all.

So like, that's rude.

Give me a second to calculate it.

I'm like, he was 37.

I think.

I think followed the 37.

And now everyone was like, well, if I do the math, that means you were 19 years old.

I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

I know I was 21.

I was present in my body currently in that time period.

So I do know that I was 21 years old.

Now, Nick.

Natalie, when Natalie uses her fingers to do simple addition, just to like, not to call out my wife, but like, it's, it's.

How do you count?

Yeah.

No, I don't.

i it's i go pointer finger as one you know if she needs to add three to four she's using fingers yeah i'm like three four okay perfect wait was that two you might as well that's what

literally they're there for a reason you might as well use them

um they are called digits yeah they are called digits yeah no anyway so nick he was not 37 he was 38 And then a couple weeks later turned 39.

We met right before my birthday.

Yes.

Now that I have had a moment to think about it and do the math calculations calculations properly.

Who gives a fuck?

Honestly, we're married with a child.

We, you know, almost had two niches.

It just is.

On the toast, which most of you couldn't even handle that kind of pressure.

She was also performing surgeries when I met her.

Thanks, baby.

Sorry.

Oh, my God.

What a shit.

You get caught up in the moment.

The math was not, you know, I was put on the spot.

I didn't, I don't, yeah.

So, but other than that, I do believe it was a very great experience.

I am very sad to have missed Jeremiah because I did want to see his face in front of my face through a screen.

Very beautiful mask.

He's handsome.

It's breathtaking.

And I was really impressed.

I mean, like, I, you know, I think America loves him right now.

Everyone feels he got screwed over, but, you know, go listen to the episode.

But I really, you know, I wasn't like drilling him with questions, but like, he's well-spoken.

He's thoughtful.

He's considerate.

He's got a face that could allow him to take advantage of, you know, of life.

And he seems to be very conscience and wanting to hold himself accountable.

I don't know.

Maybe you guys will think differently.

Check out the episode if you haven't already.

Share your thoughts, obviously, in the comments of what you thought.

We won't be reading them anyways.

But like, comment away, like, have some discourse.

Well, I won't.

I don't, I don't, I don't read the comments.

Also, joining us this episode, Hannah from Love Island joins us to talk about her exit and everything she experienced at the villa.

I need big headline.

Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom broke up.

Guess he couldn't get over the space trip.

No one saw that coming.

Oh my God.

Wait, I think it was less of the space trip and more of like the farting and shitting on stage.

She farts and shits on stage.

Wait, she has a whole like toilet with like poop coming out of it.

And then she like.

Excuse me?

Yeah.

Honestly, the clips from that tour is the most bizarre thing ever that I guess I could see how one gets together.

That's true.

She like opens her legs and drops things between her legs.

It's like a fake poop.

It's like a puppet poop.

A puppet poop.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a big toilet on her stage.

There's a giant turd with a face that comes out.

It's like a puppet poop.

So I feel like baby's awesome.

She's a stop where she literally shits.

No, it's a no, she's sitting on like the rolls of toilet paper.

And like there's a giant toilet next to her with a giant puppet turd coming out with a face.

Did you see the Orlando?

Did you see

his morning meditations and his seances where it was like, at least she doesn't have to hear this anymore.

Everyone has their quirks.

You know, I know two beautiful people.

I'm sure they'll both be fine.

We wish them nothing but the best.

Right.

Yeah.

Truly.

The Red Lobster's got a big comeback.

Never been.

I'm excited about this.

See, Red Lobster.

Maybe I'll come back for the first time.

I don't know.

I think

didn't

Flavor Flavor save it.

Yeah.

Well, Flavor Flav, when they first filed the bankruptcy, was the first to be like, this cannot happen.

And it seems like the Darden family, they own, I believe,

Red Lobster.

I only know that because, as an employee of the Olive Garden in college, I had to watch like about the Olive Garden Company.

And I learned how that Red Lobster and Olive Garden.

Your training video?

Yeah.

It was like, yeah, were you a waiter?

You were a waiter, right?

I was.

Yeah.

Nick, if you go to Red Lobster, I already know you're going to be obsessed with the biscuits.

No, they literally make them.

They're going to be the one asking for more.

They're in the freezer section at the grocery store.

We don't need to save red lobster for the biscuits.

No, but the fresh section of the grocery store.

I used to always fight with the assistant manager at the Olive Garden because the rule of thumb for the unlimited breadsticks was: if it was a four top, you give them five breadsticks, like how many people you have plus one more.

And I would just be like, Here's nine breadsticks.

I don't know.

Just eat the fucking bread.

It's unlimited.

Like, you know, and you're a homie.

Constantly scolding me that I was giving away too much bread.

And I'd never listen.

You said it's unlimited.

They're just going to ask for more anyway.

It's unlimited, man.

Like,

what are we doing here?

Five?

It's not a limited.

So what is

the breadsticks?

They hired the former CEO CEO of PF Changs, who like is like 35 years old.

It's like some boy genius.

Anyway,

what is the big comeback of Red Lobster?

That they're offering now seafood boil bags, which love those.

Sangrio Flights and $5 drinks hit the menu.

So they're just

they're giving what the people are asking for.

The boil bag I want.

The boil bag we're looking for.

I think they're just trying to get it.

You can get that on Amazon.

You can get a boil bag on Amazon.

On Amazon.

Yes, you can.

No, it's a seafood boil, like where they put

lobster,

sprint, potatoes, corn, spices, Cajun.

Justin and I are going on a date.

I've never had it, but I want it.

Yeah.

Good luck.

Wish.

I hope y'all return.

I don't know.

I don't.

I don't.

The only restaurant like that that I fuck with is Sizzler.

Oh, Sizzler is good, though.

They have like a $7 steak.

But the cheese toast?

No.

Yeah, you just have some A1 steak sauce on it.

That's the only, like, I love A1 steak sauce, but as a steak snob, like, if you're cooking a good enough steak, you don't put steak sauce on it.

But, like, so like Sizzler is my excuse to like have A1 sauce.

I was just going to say, we all have our gross things and let Red Lobster be ours and Sizzler can be yours.

Well, Justin Baldoni is not revising his claims against Blake Lively after the $400 million lawsuit was dismissed, even though his lawyer came out guns ablazing, being like, well, we can still file.

And all the Justin stands were like, no, no, no, this doesn't mean anything.

He can still file.

Well, it turns out because they don't have a case at all, they're actually not going to re-file.

And I feel like the truth is starting to reveal itself.

This is all just a PR stunt to like just, you know, beat down Blake Lively and her team.

But we'll see.

I think it goes to court in early 2026.

But yeah, looks like he won't be re-filing that what I believe to be a bullshit retaliation move.

But hey, I guess we'll see.

I mean, on the topic of Blake Lively, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey made their red carpet debut at the opening night of his tight end university.

Oh.

Which is this, this is the first time they've been

a tight end university?

Is that really it's going to become an event?

It was meant to be like they'd bring all like the tight ends from around the league to like mentor them, coach them up.

Like it was like a well, it was held at Jason Aldine's bar in Nashville.

The red carpet, I imagine, is like a backdrop.

There is a red carpet.

It's it's

not like a stereotypical Hollywood red carpet, but the carpet's red.

I'm just like, do they need to make a red carpet debut when they like made out in the middle of like the stadium after he won the Super Bowl?

Like I feel like that's like that would take pretty well.

Well, I guess it's just the first time they're on a red carpet together.

Standing on it.

For like a gala or something.

I mean, it's the same thing with like Timothy and Kylie, you know, like they were at a scene at every event together kissing and stands and doing this and that.

And then the second they like walked the red carpet together, it was like, oh my god, they're actually a couple.

It's like, y'all didn't get that from like them making out watching a tennis match.

Like what?

The last like three years.

What was the first red carpet that you guys were on together?

Was it the MTV?

MTV.

What was Natalie's debut?

It was the MTV

Unscripted Awards, hosted by Nikki Glazer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's when I sat at the same table as Snookie and Jay Wow and was like freaking the fuck out.

Natalie like was her armpits were sweating.

She was so nervous that she went to cast a Jersey Shore.

And I was like, really?

Like, no disrespect to that, you know, iconic group of people.

I just, I didn't watch it back in the day.

So I, I wasn't as excited, but Nally was losing her goddamn mind.

And I remember Nick was like, he like, he like stepped away from me so that they could take solo shots.

And all the paparazzi was kind of giving what they did to James Charles, where no one was really clicking.

They were just like waiting for me to move along the carpet, you know?

Little did they know

that she'd be home to get married.

Okay, the MF toast.

You know, I'm telling you guys, you know, watch out.

Nally's on her path to be a big, big star.

So I can just.

I honestly am scared.

It just means more haters.

And like, I just, I can't take it, you know.

When you are a big star and people come to an event of yours, are you going to ignore them or are you going to pay attention to your fans?

I mean, I would hope that I would pay attention to my fans.

I believe you're talking about Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell.

Here's the thing.

Speaking about Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell.

If you've, if you've saw me in the wild, like, I really go out of my way.

I really, I hope I have good reactions.

Natalie, I've always been aware of this, but like, my, my resting gaze is unflattering.

My, my resting bitch face is terrible.

No, your resting bitch face is what it is.

It is a resting bitch face.

You know, it doesn't have to be terrible.

Even when I talk, Natalie says I look grumpy.

I just, I have a grumpy demeanor.

Sometimes I'll be out in public, and I'm like, you look like you actually fucking hate my guts.

So I need you to just walk around with me.

I just have an ear-to-ear, introverted demeanor.

I'm just like, I'm not, I, I'm a judgy person.

Anyway, like, there's a reason why the vile fouls hasn't gone on the road.

And this is a reason why I don't do meet and greets.

And someday I hope that we do like some kind of like live event.

And when I do, it'll, I will be amped up and ready to fucking go.

But like what I don't do is shit I know that I'm like, no, I'm not naturally good at.

And it's just like, no, like, just don't do this shit.

And for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, Miley Cyrus and Naomi Campbell, they did like an autograph session where they sat at a table and fans came up, took pictures, yada, yada.

And usually like, you know, when I did a, when I wrote my book and I did a book signing, you're like, you want to have a small conversation, even if it's like 15 seconds with each person, ask me a few questions, like.

try to get to know them, like personalize the interaction and then like, you know, take a picture.

You know, apparently Miley and Naomi were just like talking with each other, signing the books and just like not even interacting with the fans, which is like, obviously is going to come across a certain way.

And listen, I get it.

Like maybe like there's a lot of like slaries out there who are introverted, who like are anxious and like are not good at social interactions because, like, listen, fans can be kind of weird, you know, and they can, they can ask uncomfortable questions, but don't do that shit if you're not good at it, you know?

Like, you don't need the money.

I feel like Miley Cyrus would be good at it.

That's why I'm a little shocked by this.

And maybe she just hadn't seen Naomi Campbell in a while.

And she was like, oh my God, we have so much to catch up on.

Maybe she got caught.

Yeah, maybe she just got a lot of fun.

You know, maybe it was like we like they realized that they should have gotten maybe a dinner beforehand or like a coffee beforehand to to catch up and get that out of the way.

I do think Miley, though, care.

Like, you remember when she just had her thing where people bought uh tickets to see her speak at a panel, but they thought that they were buying concert tickets, and then they were like heckling her and begging her to sing some of her songs.

And then she, like, she did.

Like, she sang.

I'm team Miley there.

I think that was whoever was running the event their fault.

I think

that's a good thing.

I took Kaleia's point.

That does prove that, like, she, she's not that she cares about her face.

She does care.

Yeah.

Like if that were me, I would have been like, I'm not singing.

Like y'all came to a talking panel.

I haven't done my like voice

exercises.

I'm not prepared, you know.

But Miley was like, you know what?

I'll give it to you.

And she gave them what?

The climb?

Like, she didn't just give them a we can't stop.

She gave them the climb.

Iconic.

Right, right.

The best one.

Is this story coming from like a 10-second video?

Well, she like seemingly has spoken out about the backlash.

She said she added a photo of herself with Naomi and

like a bunch of videos of like, I loved catching up with you last night, girl.

Let's do it again.

Yeah, she wrote, Our vinyl was originally set to drop a week later, but since we were both in London, Rough Trade East made it happen day of.

Her caption began, I wanted to gift my smilers an exclusive experience, an unreleased vinyl, to thank you for the love you've shown me in the UK over the years.

I saw so many familiar faces and met some sweet new ones.

Is this story originating from like a 10-second clip or are there multiple accounts of like them ignoring fans for the entire length of this event?

I only saw one video.

So this could be coming from one salty fan.

She's saying that the record store requested no photos due to the unexpected last-minute turnout.

That makes sense.

Okay, so the one person, Miley, like turned to Naomi and was like, hey, girl, you have like a little spinach in your tooth.

And then they were talking about how she has a spinach in her tooth.

And then they it was one fan.

You know, I changed my mind.

I apologize for any of the criticism or anything I said that's felt like criticism.

I feel like, yeah, I feel like this is a handful of fans salty interaction.

Yeah, it's in one particularly awkward clip from her live.

One particular, yeah, okay.

No,

we shouldn't have even talked about it, honestly.

We gave him, we gave him an air we didn't need to give.

Sorry, Miley.

I wish I had that back.

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Hey, Paul.

What's up, man?

How you doing?

Good, man.

Good to see you.

Good to see you, too.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for being there.

Sorry, we couldn't be there in person.

We are off site, but thanks for coming in.

It's great to talk to you again virtually.

We're excited to get into everything we're about to talk about, but I just want to check in with you.

Like, how's life?

How have you been?

I've been good.

It's so funny.

I feel like I saw you for such a long time in a short period of time, but then it's been a while since I've seen you.

I still have not seen you in person.

But yeah, things are good.

You know, I got kids.

Work is good.

I'm right now solo dadding because my wife has been away shooting a show.

So that has been

going to bring that up.

Natalie took a work trip the other, you know, this past two days, and I was solo dadding for

only 48 hours.

Shout out to the single parents out there.

Oh, my God.

I have such, I mean, look, I grew up, my parents were divorced.

I had a mom and a dad that were both taking turns.

But man, oh man, I always have respect.

But once you do it, I've been doing it since March.

It is intense.

Yeah.

It's

March.

You like you love your kids and all, but like, you just, you can't, when they're up, you can't like really focus on anything else.

No, you are just full in.

It's like, it's when you have a kid, you're like, your anxiety is always going to be a little bit like raised because you have to be responsible for another human being.

And then when you are solo parenting, it never drops.

Like there are moments where I'm like, oh, if I sleep in, June will get this, but there's no other person looking out.

So I feel like my anxiety is so high.

So when she comes home, I like, it just like, I feel like I've been hit by a Mac truck.

I'm like, oh my God.

For the first time, I can relax.

When June gets back, are you, are you going to be like, all right, I need to check out for like 48 hours and get some me time?

No, I can't do that.

But like,

yeah, I mean, I just, yeah, but, but here's the thing.

I, when she's home, I'm also excited because we have the family back together and it's great to have the family back together.

But yeah, no, I, there's no, there's no like, now I got to check out.

Yeah.

No golf.

Oh, no.

Danny left for a week.

And when he got back, I was like, I am not changing a diaper for the next 24 hours.

I am not waking up.

I'm not doing anything.

Like, this kid is yours.

You see, June is really good because she definitely lets me sleep in.

when she gets back, which is that, you know, and by the way, sleeping in now, as we all know.

It's 6 30.

yeah exactly right it's like like somebody asked me how my day was i'm like my day is it's 9 00 a.m right now i'm like i've been up i've done stuff life is life has happened and to remember when life hasn't happened before 9 00 a.m it's like it's yeah it's really crazy i took uh i took river to the grocery store yesterday to try to get some groceries before now they got back and river decided that she did not want to ride in the grocery cart and i had to carry her the entire time because and it wasn't like a little it was a screaming if I put her in the cart.

And like, when you have a screaming child in a public area, you're like, please stop screaming.

He looks like a child.

I'm a good parent.

Like, please stop.

No, yeah.

I mean, a lot of my work is just convincing people in public that I am a good parent.

Have you had your kids

come home and you realize they learned about a topic from like a friend that you were like not prepared for them to learn?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, my son came home from school this year.

He sat me down.

He's like, dad, can I talk to you about something?

And I was like, Yeah, sure.

And he's like, You, you want to sit down for this?

Oh, okay.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

And I was like, Okay.

And he's like,

Do you know about the Holocaust?

And I go, Yeah.

He goes, pretty rough.

I was like, Yeah, like, but my son is like trying to teach me about the Holocaust.

And I was like, and that was intense.

I was like, okay, yeah.

Like, so he's always dropping stuff on me.

He's bringing a lot of heat.

And then, you know, nothing, he's only 11 and the other one's eight.

So nothing overtly like sexual.

Every now and then he might say, well, actually, he did say this.

He goes, what's 69 mean?

And that I really avoided.

I just said it's a, it's a sexual position.

It's a number before 70.

Yeah, you knew it was something with sex.

So I have to like address that it is sex, but I think his knowledge of what sex is is also vague.

So I just try to keep it vague.

Everything is vague.

Have you had the birds and the bees conversation with him yet, or does that come later?

No, you know, my wife is actually amazing because

I think that she was very open about saying, when you have a question, we will talk about it.

And

my want is to do that.

It's not, it's always a little bit uncomfortable, but it actually has been really great because

she will just go there.

And it's not, it's, it's kind of like, I'm sharing with you information and here it is.

Yeah, it's neutral.

And, and I feel like because of that, we've opened ourselves up to a lot more conversations.

They're aware of things, but they're not like deeply aware of it.

And they know to come to us with questions.

Like my wife was like, You need to talk to him about pornography and how, if he wants to watch it, where he can watch it, and what, and we have to do ethically sourced.

And I was like, oh, I don't even know how to find ethically sourced.

You know, so now I'm doing research on how to find, you know, ethically sourced pornography.

And she's like, it was easier for you.

Back in your day, you could have magazines.

Now, so, like, so we're trying to have these conversations.

We're just trying to be prepared.

We want to be parents that actually

like biblical sec, no,

um,

how do you

figure it out?

It's not like going to Whole Foods.

Yeah, you know, it's like,

this is all my search history.

Yeah.

Then your wife's like, what the fuck were you doing?

And you're like, no, no, I was

teaching him.

Research.

I promise it was research.

Yeah, so it's like, it is a constant, I love, I love having kids.

It's a constant battle of just being hit with things.

And you want to be a good parent that leads.

My parents never talked to me about sex.

My parents never talked to me about anything like that.

So you want to be open.

It's just like when it comes to you, you are never fully prepared.

You just aren't.

But it is fun because I feel like once they know that they can talk to you, then it feels like.

Hopefully that relationship will stay and they can have an open door.

Yeah.

You know, I don't think that my parents even know that I have had sex yet.

You know?

Oh, I hope not.

I just had a kid, but I'm still hoping that's a good idea.

I'm like, yeah, you don't think that immaculate conception is exactly

and if we and if they know we had sex because we have a kid, it's only for the purposes of children, it's not for enjoyment.

Like, I definitely do not have sex to enjoy it.

Procreation only,

procreation, not recreation, exactly.

Uh, Paul, I, you uh, recently wrote a commercial for uh some prominent reality TV stars.

Was it for Taco Bell?

Am I remembering that correctly?

It's uh for Dunkin' Donuts, Dunkin' Donuts, sorry, Dunkin' Donuts.

Yes.

Dunkin' Donuts.

There was a commercial we did called, it was basically a more than a snack.

So it had like James Marsden, Charles Melton,

Dylan Efron,

and Tramel Tillman.

And yes, it was.

It was a hot commercial

cast.

It was insane.

Yeah.

So we did this like commercial.

where these guys are, you know, they're more than just hot guys, which is very similar to Dunkin' Donuts $5 meal deal, which is more than a snack.

Yes.

Wow.

I'm sold.

Listen, all you had to say to me was Dunkin' Donuts.

Still enough rock.

And James Mars.

I mean, they were the most attractive guys I've ever seen on set.

I mean, you know, and when you're looking at them, you see everybody on set just like losing their minds.

Yes.

Because these are people that are so attractive that the men, the women, every children, cars are stopping on the side of the road.

It is, it is a non-stop thing.

Natalie, not too long ago, I was like, I'm going to get back working out.

We had Dylan on the show not too long ago.

And then one day she sends me a text of this shirtless photo of Dylan looking great, by the way.

Yeah, I accidentally screenshotted it.

And it was this kind of like,

ah.

I accidentally made it my wallpaper by accident.

Well, like, Natalie, you know, I met Natalie at 30, whatever.

And she's seen, she's seen, she's seen, she's seen

photographs of when I was real Jack.

And I'm still in decent shape, but I just don't have the time anymore.

So

she feels a little screwed over.

She didn't really get my best stuff.

But

she sent me a Dylan Inspo photo.

So

it got

grinding.

I'm here to help.

Dylan can spend that time in the gym.

We're talking about, we're dads now, right?

We can't get in the gym that much.

um my wife likes my body for what it is and she gives me a lot of crap when i get too skinny so she's never really pushed

the same way yeah really okay yes so yeah there was a time where i was losing too much weight when i was on black monday i had to learn how to like rollerblade and had to be shirtless and that was tricky for me because i'm leaving the shirts off to the people who are doing the work.

My shirt off isn't going to impress anybody, but I knew there was no greater motivator motivator to be in shape than getting knowing that your shirt was coming off.

And that was the hardest I worked.

And I felt so good about my body.

And I was like, here I am.

And my wife's like, you're too skinny.

And I was like, no, the one moment where I'm in.

Let me have this.

Let me have this moment of being in shape.

Yeah.

So

she has not sent me those pictures, but every now and then we'll be watching, you know, some reality show and she'll say something about, you know, whether it's a person on a reality show or whether it's like an athlete like a lot of these soccer players she's like oh well he's hot i'm like oh now i can't compete with that you know i'm always feeling i'm feeling the pressure i'm feeling the pressure were you always a reality tv fan or did june get you into it i think june has definitely opened my mind to it bigger like when i was a i grew up loving the real world.

Like that was my, that was my shit.

I love the real world.

I loved a show called sorority life.

I still talk about sorority life because there was a season, first season was like, like in San Diego and like hot, young college kids running around and then the second season they shot in buffalo new york during winter so they went from like bikinis to people just in like parkas with hoods on it was a terrible season of sorority life people were depressed um

and so i really like that was like my stuff early on like early on survivor and then i really got brought into bravo but I went to a different direction, which is I've been a big summer house fan.

Same.

And I had to convince everybody to get on the summer house train.

I was a huge bachelor fan.

We did a show called Burning Love, which was a kind of a parody of that.

Yeah.

So I've always, yeah, so I've always been a huge, I mean, reality TV is the best TV because the emotions, you get so much out of it.

I will say, you know, I know we are all our Love Island fans.

I heard the interview with Jeremiah.

You know, what I, what's hard about a show like that, and I do watch it, is there's so much of it like there is like sometimes I feel like I'm like there's more like I need to I need a recap because it's like like last night's episode or two nights ago it was like an hour and 20 minutes I'm like this is this is massive I have to get through this two nights in a row yeah oh yeah you're getting I mean Love Island's on, I feel like seven nights a week.

Oh, yeah.

I'm like, today's Wednesday, so we don't have an episode today.

So now I got to go over to UK.

No, yeah.

Sierra's on the show.

I'm still emotional.

How do you find the time?

Where there's a will, there's a way.

I'm behind on UK, but like when I find an hour or two to just throw it in there, I'm just camming in as many episodes as I can.

Let me ask you a question.

Because I am still emotionally scarred from what happened, I believe, last week, where

they were drinking milk and then spitting milk

into each other's mouths.

That is

pouring that milk, that regurgitated milk onto another islander.

I mean,

it's, it was hard.

It was like, there's nothing sexy about that.

Ultimately, I don't think.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong.

Like, look, that show, they're doing a lot of stuff that I'm like, let's go for it.

I've seen more, the way the tongues come out, I feel like I'm watching a horror movie.

They go right in with the tongues.

I don't know if I like, I don't know, we retrained differently because I thought it was lips first and then

tongue is leading the way.

That's a special occasion.

That's a special occasion.

That's not an ever.

It's almost like a key to unlock a door.

You know, it's

it's right in.

It's like I was like, that was the first kisses I was seeing when they had the, when Casa Moore and stuff, I was like, whoa, like, and it does make me question.

I've been married for a very long time.

You know, I've been out of the dating scene for a while.

I enjoyed my time in that, but now I'm here.

And when I watch that, I'm like, wow.

Things have changed and I would not be able to keep up.

I'm not safe.

I think with Love Island too, they're like, okay, this is my chance to make him love me or or her love me.

And I need to prove it with this one kiss.

So I'm just going to full send.

Do you, I mean, here's a question that I feel with that show.

If you're a lot of these kisses are like blindfolded or you don't know who's kissing you and stuff like that.

Do you believe like part of a good kiss is the connection that you have?

It's not, it's not just lips, right?

It's just like, it's not just a bot, like, and that's what I think is so kind of hard.

It's like, I think part of it is a mental, a mental and physical connection mixed, which is a great kiss, not just like, oh they have a great kissing i don't know i don't yeah well i think that's why so many of the cast are able to like when they do the challenges it's almost to your point it's like it doesn't really count because it's like it's just a challenge it's like i feel like it's like like taking a work trip to a city you want a vacation to but you don't really get to sitsey you know it's just like you didn't you know it's like oh i went to hawaii but like i was at a conference for three days and then i flew back and it doesn't really feel like you're at hawaii you know i don't know It's like the, they have these challenges and they're making out with like each other's friends, but it doesn't feel like they're doing anything wrong because it's so aggressive.

They're, they're dripped in warm milk and it doesn't feel like they're really making connections.

And it feels like that's must be what, you know, what it's like.

I guess so.

I mean, yeah, I just don't think I've ever had that many.

I don't know if you can have a connection just based on a kiss.

I feel like, because when that one guy in the last episode, when they're all blindfolded, he's like, that two, two, two, one.

Yeah.

Fucking asshole.

I like TJ.

I like TJ.

That was so annoying.

But also, like,

and I said this on the toast of like blindfolded kisses.

It's like you, you can't startle me and then try to make out.

Like, I need a second to get my nervous system down.

You know, like, I need to relax.

Now I'm like, my breath pressure is raised.

I'm like a little like nervous.

Like, I'm not ready to kiss you yet.

You know, I need a moment.

Well, what about Nick just, just like grabbing everybody's ass?

And it's like, you don't know who that is.

You're just assuming.

Yeah, there is like a, like, I mean, I think that what you're saying is right about the idea that like, they're like, I can do whatever I want.

It's a challenge.

But then you also see that like creeper side of people come out.

You're like, whoa, Lord, you're like, you're just going to grab that ass right away.

But I think you, I think you nailed it with like the startling.

It's like, there is like, you feel like these women are getting startled when their asses are getting grabbed.

These guys, everyone's getting startled.

They're just on a high adrenaline run on this thing.

Yeah.

And I don't know who, who I kissed.

So there is no chemistry to be made after that.

Even if you tell me, I'm like, I just kissed six people straight in a row.

They didn't even say.

Do you remember it?

Do I remember number three?

Yeah.

And they didn't even say who was who.

Like they just left it right there.

They were like, okay, so these were the women that you were kissing, but I'm not going to say who was one, two, three, four.

No, it's so odd.

It's just so odd.

I do, Paul.

Are you?

Are you new to Love Island?

Or have you been watching it over the years?

I am new to Love Island.

So this has been, I have heard a lot of talk about it.

A lot of my friends had

like kind of said, this is what you have to watch.

And again, I'm home alone and I'm like, Love Island is on every night.

It's treating me good.

So yeah.

And last night I watched a couple minutes of it with my kids, which was a mistake.

But I will say this.

You're going to have a lot more explaining to do after watching the show.

But yeah, no, it's, I'm, I'm kind of loving it because it reminds me of like the less serious

reality shows that I love.

I mean, that's what I kind of loved about like Bachelor in Paradise back in the day.

Yeah.

You know, and real, like, it's like, it just is like fun reality where there were no real stakes.

I feel like there's so much drama going on right now and backstory on a lot of the shows I love.

And I love all that good stuff.

But it's summertime.

Let's just get some people making out.

And have fun.

I have to say, it's not really gotten any fun recently.

Recently, it's really made me pissed off.

It's made me sad.

It's like not the love island that it was last year.

And I feel like they're doing way too much.

Yeah.

So, Paul, the big controversy right now is like, so as you know, we're in Casa Amore.

And traditionally, Casa Amore is meant to like stir up

the couples.

Like whether they are closed off or not.

At this point in the season, there are usually couples that have like made some connections, like Sierra and Nick, for example, like Shelly and Ace, you know Orlandria and Taylor and then they bring in obviously these bombshells and they flip-flop and then they see if you know now that they're separated do they make new connections do they make out do they kiss like last season it was a lot of drama you know and then and then these couples these singles when they return to the villa they find out whether their you know their partner that they were in a relationship with coupled up with before they left for CASA do they return single excited to get back to that connection that they were in?

Or do they return holding hands with someone new to shake shit up?

And then a few episodes later, there's this thing called Movie Night, where then they show clips of what happened

in Casa Amor.

Before the movie, while

they're apart, they get like text messages of videos.

of pictures of what their person is doing at Casa Amor or back at the villa with the new bombshells.

So maybe that they get a video of like Nick making out with Jaden and then Sierra's like, you know what, fuck it.

Now I'm like really going into what

she's able to go off.

Yeah.

And it's always like, you know, it's like out of context stuff.

So like maybe there's more, maybe there wasn't more, but it really fucks with these people.

This is the part of the season that people like anticipate, wait for.

It's like the, it's the heart and soul.

It's the center of the watermelon, you know, it's like, it's the best part.

Yeah.

All of a sudden, they're just like fucking with the whole format.

All Casa Moore has been all this constantly recoupling.

Like we called Leia last night and Leia made a great point.

It's just like, they're not focused on like making these new connections with the bombshells and Casa Moore.

They're just trying to survive, right?

They're like, it's just like, oh, well, if you don't recouple in 24 hours, you might be gone.

It's just like, so it's just, it's all just gamesmanship.

And now you're eliminating, no one believes that Nick and Alandria are actually being dumped.

The instagram the social pages of love island usa is basically like everyone's freaking out online everyone's pissed there's a lot of accusations of overproduction overproducing and like they're already basically saying like you know not so fast they're like crypto they're basically telling us there's more to the story as if like you know because they know like they're losing a lot of people but like why piss off your audience you know a scripted bit

a scripted bit at the end of an episode is like that that's insulting Yes.

Thank you.

Well, this is, I think they, I think the issue that I'm noticing is no one really seems to be having like real connections or really connected.

So it's like, I think that they're putting all these games in there because no one seems to be, there's no weight.

And, you know, so there's something about this new, but Casa Amore.

And when they got to mix it up, I'm like, oh, are these people better?

Because I felt like all the guys are better in Casa Amore.

And I felt like a lot of the women were better that came over.

Like, I feel like we may need to like sweep some of this stuff out the door a little bit.

And they got rid of like all of the people who had real connections.

I know, that was crazy.

And that was the thing I was so bummed about.

I could not believe that Jeremiah and Jeremiah was, I liked him.

I felt like he was getting a connection.

I felt like he got done dirty a little bit by all the guys.

And I was so,

I don't know.

I just feel like this season has been.

While fun, I don't feel like anyone is liking anybody, really.

Well, I also feel like part of the reason for that is because I don't know if this is accurate, but I feel like there have been more dumpings this season almost.

And it's been like dumping at Casa more.

Yeah, like, well, they're not dumped.

You know what I mean?

But I'm like, for all of that drama.

But I know for a fact that Alandria and Nick are not dumped because Ariana said everyone was going to be coming back and they never used the word dump.

They just said leaving the villa.

whatever.

Nonetheless, the Islanders knew that there would be a dumping.

The islanders thought that there would be a dumping.

And so they're all like, oh my God, in order to come back to my real connection or in order to come back or stay in the game, I have to recouple.

And so it's very forced.

It's like everybody feels like they have to constantly be in a couple.

So they're either forcing it with who they're with or they're forcing it with who they feel like they can be with.

And they're just all forcing it because they want to stay in the villa.

To my question is, to what end?

Because it feels like they're just kind of waiting for somebody to come in there because there are these a couple of real connections i'm curious where it goes i really want to get behind the scenes and talk to the person who composes all the music because i've been in love with whatever those songs are yeah it really it really hypes you

out of the villa now you know

you guys my most recent spotify play is love island usa playlist oh

yeah you gotta send me that i'm i feel like i wonder if it hits the same just listening to the songs because it just you know what i'm imagining the scenes in my head when like a,

I'm like, this is a fire, like, this is a fire, fire moment.

I love it.

Come to the fire.

Sierra,

Sierra, as someone who watches a lot of UK, you know, it's just like, do you think Love Island USA is casting way too many like already influencers?

Like Ace, I think, had like 900,000 Instagram followers or something like that before he went there.

I was like, 15.1 million.

Soda whispers.

I mean, I get everyone,

everyone who's in their 20s as online nowadays and anyone like who's like a hottie usually have some kind of like micro following.

But can't they find, aren't there enough of like hot people who want to be famous who aren't already like

know how to

who are so brand conscious, who are so like, I just feel like Ace is too...

He's too plugged in, you know?

And I feel like he's almost kind of poisoning the well.

And everyone's following Ace's lead and about how to play the game rather than making connections and and like really get investing in these relationships well this is I feel like there's a thing that goes on with America which is we don't trust our audiences to fall in love with people we don't know like I love I first started watching the British traders and like there's a lot of normal people on British traders and then they have a couple like British celebrities And then when they do the American version, it's a lot of influencers, celebrities, reality stars.

Interesting.

And, but the one version of Traders that's the best best is the Australian version.

It's all just super normal people and it makes the gameplay so much better.

It's like it's an electrician.

It's, you know, it's like, it's just regular people.

And then the show is way better because they're not savvy at all.

That's what the original Real World was, not savvy.

100%, because that's the UK version of Love Island.

To go to answer your question, it is they're landscapers.

They're nail technicians.

They're coming in for a real connection.

They're not coming in for the followers.

They know that that's a part of it, but they're also there for two months.

So it's like, I feel like they really lose sight of like a prize at the end.

Right.

And they just are there to like connect with people and they really fucking mean it because it's like they're vulnerable and they're in this environment.

They're not thinking about what happens when I get off the show.

Or what the audience is thinking about.

Like a lot of the times they're almost like reminded when they do have a game where like the audience will weigh in on what's been happening or like well, that's why Huda is definitely not voted off.

If she's got a following.

That I was like, well, she's definitely the one where she's like, this is at 1.1 million followers on Instagram.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm like, I don't, I think knowing people who have seen this show and seen what it can do for people, they're like, great.

So I didn't get the clout or the level of fame that I'm getting on my own.

But with Love Island, it's national, it's worldwide that it's like, now I'm getting the recognition or like the following that I think I deserve.

But it's like.

you're not actually here to fall in love.

You're not doing the game.

You're not doing the actual thing.

Go on producers, go on the brothers.

You have to do that because then you have people like Jalen who have, he's, I think has surpassed any of the people.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Following.

And he came on as like this trucker, truck driver,

a real person.

Now, let me ask you this.

I love Mariana Maddox.

Like, I've great.

But when Megan DeSalien came on,

is what the show needs.

I need some emotion.

She was, that was the best episode of the whole season.

Yep.

Hands down.

Hands down.

She literally owned that.

All of the Islanders were having fun, letting loose.

And I'm like, this is what I want to see.

I'm so tired of tears every episode.

And that's, I think, think, that I've heard that also last season, the women had a much stronger connection.

And this season, the women are kind of forcing that connection to feel like they are like.

And they put up falling on the floor, having a full breakdown when Alandria was at home.

Oh, I mean, that was wild.

That whole thing, I felt so bad for Zach, British Zach.

No, yeah.

You know, because it's like.

He stood up and I was like, oh, that's really cool.

But this is an exciting moment.

And then it just felt like he was left out.

Like he did something terrible.

He spoke to Manchester.

He watched the real UK when he's like, I'm supposed to be making decisions for myself.

This is like a thing, right?

And like, and it's like, and I look, I love Alandria.

I was, I'm bummed if she's not gone or if she's gone, whoever.

But it's like, I'm bummed.

But I was also like, that was cool.

That was, that's what we want.

We want that moment.

We need that thing.

And he's just sitting there like.

Like he was a bad guy.

Yeah.

He's not a bad guy.

No, he's there for love.

I liked his speech, though.

Like, it was the first time it endeared me to him because before that, he was kind of clunky.

And like when he made out with Amaya,

he like weirdly was like, don't say anything.

I'm like, Why are we keeping this?

This is on TV.

This is why are we keeping it a secret?

Yeah,

there's five cameras in this room.

Yes, he was very endearing in that moment.

Um, and I thought he was very sweet, but yeah, I don't know, like, yeah, they're they're they're eliminating some of their best people, like Jeremiah.

Like, I think, I feel like Jeremiah was really genuine, and like he was trying to make connections, and he was like being blamed for having that face that he had, and all the girls liking him.

And the guy, you know, I mean, the fact that Sierra defended their decision by sending Hannah home of being like, Hannah got to experience two really great connections with Charlie and with Pepe.

And like, Iris and Amaya, you two deserve that too.

It's like, that's not what Love Island is.

If you can't make a connection,

you go home.

If you do have a connection, you stay.

Like, I don't understand these people.

And then Huda and Casa Amore pulling JD.

to be like, so I guess you already know I'm a mom.

And then gave us another like selfish explanation as to like how she's a mom, why she's a mom, her dating, her being like, yeah, no one's ever really had a problem with me being a mom.

And like, I'm dating to Mary.

Not once mentioning like, I need someone who like, you know, gets along with my daughter.

I need someone who understands what it's like, you know, like.

to to be involved with a five-year-old is means this and it means that like gives zero explanation about being an actual mother to a child it's just so selfishly i'm a mom the biggest uh red flag I got in that interaction was, and again, I'm terrible at names.

I just know by like

distinguishing characteristics that that guy that she said that to was like, yeah, I don't actually, it doesn't make a big deal to me if someone has a kid because it's not about that.

I'm like, whoa, whoa,

yeah, it's kind of

crazy.

I was like, what do you mean?

It's not about that.

She's saying, I'm dating to Mary.

And he's like, yeah, that's fine.

I love it when they say that.

Whatever.

I've dated a mom before.

It didn't really matter.

It didn't matter.

He treated it like she was divorced.

Like, it's like, I don't mind if you were married before.

Like, he was like, no, no, no, this is a child that lives in her house.

And that's, I do think, like, it was tough because

I don't know how you feel about this, but like, Jeremiah was put in this situation where I think that they did have a connection, but then she got very needy.

Like, and I still feel like she wasn't really over him, but I do feel like people really were like, they're rooting for her to find love, but she, this is not the place for her to find love, in my opinion.

I feel like she needs to find somebody else off this show because the show is built not I don't know if I mean maybe it will be at the end, but it's like she's not going to like she's too jealous or too much like you're my person to make the show like to be an enjoyable character.

I don't know.

I'm like, I want her off so bad.

Although now she's coming alive a little bit.

Now she's like mellowing up, but that's because we're just mad about the whole show in general.

Yeah, listen, she, she's been insufferable, but I also think, I think she's very necessary now more than ever for this show because I think she's one of the few people we are getting authenticity from.

Like you are just getting her real reactions.

And I feel like so many people on this show, like I think we all love Shelly, but like Shelly doesn't give us anything.

I mean, other than like demure, you know, she, you know, she seems like a class act.

She seems like, you know, I'd want to be friends with her, but she's not exactly captivating television.

And also, like, I feel like last season, what was so cute was watching from both sides.

Like you're watching either like the one of the guys or one of the girls, like Kendall being like, man, i really hate watching nicole talk to that guy like i feel like i have a clown nose on my face and you get these really sweet like vulnerable moments like cordelle being like you don't have a clown nose like you hear your nose like it's like you're not seeing these people invested in their partners at all that it's like they're not talking to somebody else being like man like i really like her but i'm sad she's going on this date like it's like I've seen the guys cried more about Nick going home.

When Nick went home, I was like, this feels like the biggest breakup of the season.

I was like, you know, it's like, I love you, bro.

I love you, bro.

And it's like, you're the best connection I've made here.

I'm like, and that's what I feel like is going on.

It's like them, they are a group amongst themselves.

Like it's, they're not really sharing in that middle ground.

And that's a bummer because I think people came in hot.

Like, I liked Emily a lot.

I thought Emily, like, but then when they sent Charlie home, it was a Charlie, right?

Yeah.

When they sent Charlie home, I was like bummed about that because I feel like it's just.

It just feels like they are keeping and getting rid of the wrong people.

100%.

Especially Taylor, Nick, and Ace.

They really give like high school friendships, you know, just like very catty, very clicky.

You know, it's just like there's no independence.

Ace is too clicky for like when you hung out with your boys every day

and like you, you, you dated your friends.

Like when you, before you like, yeah, were independent, like you were, you, you go to the movies with your guy friends.

You'd go to dinner with your guy friends.

You know, like, that's who you really connected with when you were that young.

And these guys are just, it's, I don't know, it's too,

it's too high school.

I also hate that they're giving all of the new bombshells, men and women, like the power over the OGs and like the people who've been there.

It's like, why are you letting Casa people

pick who they're with?

You know, it should be the other way around.

Like, why are we sending home OGs and not CASA people?

It's just, it's, it's weird.

Listen, I am all for the producers, like, throwing in some twists.

but not with Casa.

Yeah.

Casa Amor is the twist.

This is the twist.

This is where you test the relationship.

This is where the islanders get to make the decision for their themselves, to your point, Natalie, if they want to stay with their OG couple or move on with, or bring somebody else and explore them.

That's the twist.

Stop fucking with the format of CASA.

Well, let me ask you about what happened in that episode where it felt like they only had one, like with the ones, it was Amaya, right?

Was the single, like she was single, so she had to stand up and then all of a sudden that switched to Alandria.

But on the guy's side, it felt like everyone got a chance to get up in front of the group do you think that that was an editing decision no i think that had somebody gotten up and chosen olandria it would have been okay

it would have kept on going okay

yeah it really makes me more sus about when they voted off jeremiah and hannah and they didn't give they didn't show any of the conversations and how those groups came to the decision like last year when they did that We got to see that was like a big storyline about how the women came to that decision and who was like leading the conversation and it seems a little fucked up now more than ever you know now that we're kind of criticizing producers for overproducing that they're just i don't know like they're not you know i usually like to defend producers and i feel like sometimes the the hardcore reality tv fans like love they love the behind the scenes conversations too much they love the conspiracies you know the blaming producers for everything they don't like when when i think there's a lot of times like i've become more familiar with like reality tv shows and i've been shocked by how much they don't produce and how much they're not involved.

But like, I really think, you know, times have changed where they really try to be hands-off.

But like it really is giving from this show right now that the producers are just too, it's like they're too online.

They're reading Reddit.

They're reading Twitter.

They're, they're on TikTok.

They're following fan reactions and they're making.

too many reactionary moves trying to like appease fans where like just like just trust your process trust your format trust trust the casting and let and let them do their thing.

They're also being like way too messy with their editing, it feels like.

And I think the audience is catching on and the audience is being like, you know, like there was a scene where when Jeremiah came in to give Iris breakfast and it showed like...

him walking into the room and there was no Huda.

And then it shows like Huda giving a stank face and it's like, but she wasn't in the room.

And then it shows like Hannah talking to the girls.

But then in the reflection of the window, it shows Shelly and Alandria and you see Hannah in the reflection and her mouth isn't moving.

You know, like it's, it's, they're getting really sloppy with their like cutting and pasting and editing that it feels very like not what it was.

Do you think that that's part of the daily nature of the show or like whatever, the four times a week that it's on?

It's like they're, that they, A, can react in real time, but also the show is sloppier because of that, because they are, they don't have enough time to kind of finesse moments.

So they have to kind of, they have to kind of create a story because

they need it to be fulfilling at an hour.

And they may not have all those pieces together at that point.

I will say I am less critical of editing like that.

I only say this because I think the best reality TV shows and the best reality TV producers, like they, they want to show you the authentic story.

In a perfect world, they cast a perfect group of people and they give and they're just, they don't edit themselves and they're all, you know, but that doesn't always happen.

And, you know, at the end of the day, they have to make a TV show.

I think think sometimes editing will try to,

in this limited time, as many, even though we have an episode every night with Love Island, we are still only, you know, airing an hour of what is 24 hours of footage that they have, right?

And so sometimes when they are showing, you know, like they cut to Huda giving like kind of like a resting bitch face reaction to a moment, and then you realize that she wasn't in the room in that moment or whatever.

Like, I think often a justifiable reason is they're trying to convey sentiment of what was going on in that room, despite maybe that footage that they chose to use didn't like quite capture that.

Does that make sense?

Where it's just like, yeah, maybe that didn't happen this way, but that was still like the vibe.

Right.

I feel like it's them playing into like the Huda's crazy like conversation that's happening in and outside of the villa.

Like they're, they're, they're giving audience more examples of Huda being quote unquote crazy.

Exactly, because that, but, but my point is, is that that was what what was going on in the villa.

Like when I interviewed Jeremiah, I asked him, I'm like, hey, listen, like a lot of people are having these reactions with Huda.

Like these are, this is what they think.

You know, we know that things can be edited.

Is the fans sentiment and what we are seeing on this TV show from what you saw, is that what you experienced?

And he confirmed that, yeah, that's, that's how it was.

And I'm just saying, like, sometimes.

you know, and they don't have the perfect footage to just, you know, they have a limited time.

So they have to like maximize what the audience or what is that feeling that is happening.

And they sometimes have to edit it.

I'm, you know, does that make sense?

It's like the cliff notes of the, it's like the cliff notes of the day, right?

It's like, this is essentially the emotions that happened.

We can't show you all the intricate details, but like this, trust us, she's mad.

He's okay.

Yeah.

This guy's a jerk.

Let's go with it.

And they're trying to craft something within that.

And they don't have very much time either.

It's fast turning.

Yeah, it's so fast.

And I also feel like some of these guys aren't giving full,

I don't, I don't, like, this is one of those reality shows where I don't feel like I know everybody.

Like there's, they're even withholding with the audience.

Like the guy, I call him like Bobo Owen Wilson, the guy who's cleaning the pool.

Uh, what's his name?

Austin.

Yeah.

I love Austin.

But, you know, Austin, you know, I'm like, I don't know what he is besides using like, oh, yeah, well, I hope this girl likes me.

You know, it's like, like, I feel like.

They're they're we're not finding out.

So maybe the people that we are finding out the most about are the ones that we're irritated with because they're just like, I am this one thing.

I'm going to say this one thing over and over and over again.

But like, sometimes I'm just watching, just watching a lot of tongue.

And I will say that like UK does a really good job because they also have a bonus episode.

I think that's also why their seasons are longer.

They do a bonus episode called Unseen Bits.

So the entire episode is just clips of the islanders that we didn't see throughout.

And it's like random funny moments.

And it's like you kind of get to see.

another side of their personality outside of like what the storyline drama is where i'm like here we don't have that and they play little clips, yeah, during After Sun, but I'm like, you don't get to see that there's a full like 24 hours that these people are

these people, right?

And it does the funny moment, the funny side, like we don't get to see any like Big Brother.

Um, and I used to do this where when I was like super into Big Brother, they have like a live feed where you could,

and I used to do that.

I used to sit there and just watch them.

It's the most fun.

It's like, of course, keep those cameras.

We should have a camera running on Love Island.

Why not?

There should be like a paid, this would be a great way to make extra money, Peacock.

Just like charge an extra subscription and people could just watch the live feed.

Or just don't do it.

We already are paying for it.

Just give it to us for free.

Let's give us four cameras.

That's all.

Just a four screen.

We don't even need audio.

Yeah, we don't need audio.

Everyone wants to be a little bit more.

All those birds when we watch a bird come out of the nest or that bird up in California.

The bald eagle is going to have its baby in nine months when you set up this time, this time-lapse camera.

Well, despite our Love Island venting session,

the audience is invested.

And I'm definitely going to be tuned i can't i can't wait for thursday because i want to know what that was the biggest cliffhanger this season i think this was like my second favorite episode because it was like okay now stuff is going to happen it feels like this is the biggest moment of the season coming back from casa more i hope i i hope i hope so yeah let us down i want to believe that they're going to like yeah they have a big plan maybe we don't understand it we're a little triggered right now but i think i think all our gripes are valid and i feel and if they're gonna like if producers are gonna produce i want them to just like talk to the cast and say hey you need to lean into these relationships you really need to go for it you guys are being a little too safe you're not like you know just say that you know tell them to like be vulnerable and stop worrying about friendships and like you know stuff like that and have people you know tell them that huda's like got the big you know the biggest following of them all because like they all I guarantee it's clear that everyone in the house has a strong opinion about Huda and they're judging her and they kind of of are kind of like sticking their nose up with Huda.

And I get why, but she's also like, other than Jalen, she is getting the most follows.

Like she's the biggest star, liker or hater, whatever you think of Huda, she's the most talked about.

I mean, is she the villain?

I mean, not that she's a villain, but I mean, she is kind of serving that role.

Like you're watching her because you're frustrated by her a little bit.

And, but now I do think that based on that last episode, I like the guys that came in a lot.

I'm like, ooh, these guys seem like they have a little bit more.

Yeah, the basketball team.

They're very tall, very muscle.

When you said 6'8, I was like, for real?

I know.

I was like, I watched that and I was like, when they show them together in those poses, I'm like, this has made me laugh so hard.

But, and so I am hoping that that will carry over because I felt like I saw something real.

And that to me speaks of good producing, which is like, okay, maybe these are not the right people for them.

And instead of just like attracting them by like body, they brought in people that are attracting them by mind a little bit more.

And I feel like that there was something about that last episode that gave me a lot of hope for where we go.

And then also all the fallout is going to be intense.

Yeah.

Well, my prediction for what's going to happen is that they're going to bring Nick and Alandria back and it's going to be like a big recoupling where it's going to be kind of up to the OG, like Taylor and Sierra to either save them or stay with their name.

Do you want Nick on the show?

He's pretty to look at.

He's pretty to look at, you know, but he's, but he's also, he's all, he gives me nothing.

And he's also exactly to everybody's point, he's the one who's not taking any of these relationships seriously.

He's like bump, bump, bop, bump up all over the place.

He's got Sierra bawling, like missing him.

And he's over here, like, well, you know, we're going to be here to do so.

That's what sucked about him leaving right now.

Again, who knows what's going to happen?

But like, that, you know, Sierra was that one person who was freaking out and emotionally invested in her relationship with Nick.

And she was all in.

So whether Nick was not, like, Nick was given like Aaron from last season where he's just like out there.

Like, Sierra doesn't even exist right now in his world.

She's crying about him.

And even though, like, Nick's kind of a fan favorite right now, like, you know, like Aaron was early in the season, it had the opportunity for like a great movie night where like Nick's like making moves that's going to piss off Sierra and a lot of people.

And then now all of a sudden, like, he's leaving.

He gets this like, you know, hero exit.

Everyone's cry.

And then he runs.

I just like, I will say I'm exhausted of the Huda villain.

Like I want one of these guys to really step in it and not be protected by the click.

You know what I'm saying?

I want these guys to be the fuckboys that I guarantee you that they are.

Well, I mean, and there is something funny because I mean, Nick is like, Nick is a fuckboy.

I mean, right?

I mean, 100%.

My favorite moment was when they're posing in the photo booth and he's like on the verge of tears and then that the camera went to flash.

He's like, smile, big smile, like big, big smile.

It's like, this motherfucker.

But, you know, like, I do feel like these other guys feel like they have a little bit more emotional depth.

And maybe we'll get some switching up of things.

Cause I agree with you.

Like, I'm tired of it.

I just feel like, but I don't know if that's, this is, I'm a new, I'm a newbie to the world.

So I am enjoying it, but I'm like, I at 20 episodes in, I think I should feel a lot more emotionally.

Like one couple that you're rooting for that you really want.

And it's like, even Elandria being safe, I'm like, or whatever their twist is going to be.

I'm like, I feel like Taylor doesn't deserve her.

No.

Taylor said another girl is her in another body.

Taylor's blind.

You know,

blind and stupid.

Moving on from Love Island, Paul.

Yes.

I understand that you also a bit of a true crime fan.

And you've been

found in the Karen Reed case.

And Sherry Pape, who we recently interviewed.

I don't know if you had a chance to listen.

By the way, I did listen to it.

I'm obsessed.

My wife got me into true crime.

I fell head over heels into into this Karen Reed thing because I watched the HBO Max documentary.

I couldn't stop watching it.

And then all of a sudden, second trial, listening, watching every person from Boston who has a TikTok who's like, all right, let me tell you something.

I install garage doors and in Canton, everyone's a swinger, you know, so I'm, I got deep into Karen Reed.

And

yeah, that was, that really took over a large chunk of my time.

That Diddy and Sherry Papini, but Sherry Papini on here, now I know this is your guest.

Do you have a guest on the show?

But

she, I am so mixed on her.

I'm so mixed.

I, I, because I, I was suckered into the first doc.

I followed that story.

Then I was suckered into her doc.

And there's a part of me that goes, wow, I believe that maybe some of this happened.

But then there's a part of me going like, I don't know, though.

Why isn't she pulling up charges on this guy?

And, and this guy seems so matter of fact that if he was doing all this, but then my favorite moment was at the end of that doc when they go, hey, so we did some research.

And is it James?

Her boyfriend who kidnapped

and James's mother is not Mexican.

She's like, okay, yeah, well, okay, well, I met her.

She's her whole smoking gun.

Yeah.

And she's like, well, I met her.

And I know she looks like

the way that she responded so quickly to like, hey, by the way, the one thing that you said is a total lie.

She's like, yeah, yeah, but that's not important don't worry about it when we had her on our show and we kind of got into that topic and then she dropped that like the entire neighborhood allegedly knew that she was sitting out there and i'm like what huh that doesn't make any sense she switches it up whenever she gets in a corner and that's what i thought was so fascinating here because i'm like you are like i'm a fan of this show i love that interview it's like but it's she's slippery and you help you dealt with her in a really good way but it's like you can't kind of corner her because once she gets cornered, she just, as a matter of fact,

yeah, she's like, Oh, as a matter of fact, my husband is actually having an affair with my sister.

Wait, wait, what?

And it's like, oh, and as a matter of fact, like, you just like she drops another bomb, and it's like it's perfect liar mentality.

And I hate to, like, I don't want to ever be like, I don't want to assume, but man, oh man, it makes it hard for me to believe anything.

I mean, with the Sherry Papini of it all, I think it, you know, I think the James, I think he is guilty of clearly something.

I think the fact fact that she was able to

whether she asked him to do it or he had kidnapped her and did it on her own, like the bruises, the injuries that she came back home with, she could not have done to herself.

So I agree.

The fact that she was able to ask him to do this and he was like, okay, sure.

Like, that's a bad person.

It's the same thing with like the gypsy rose of it all.

Gypsy Rose asked someone to

kill her mom and that person was like, sure.

You know, you ask anyone else and they're like, oh my God, babe, like, let me get you some help.

You know, like, I'm not the person.

Well, I can't do that.

Here's a question I have because I do agree with you 100%, but devil's advocate on this.

I will say this.

He doesn't have one.

You could never, you could never say, like, you would never, no one would ever ask me, can you please brand me?

And I'd be like, okay, right.

Like, I, like, I can't, I can't go that bridge.

So I, I believe you're right.

But do you think that there's a little bit of manipulation?

Like, this is a guy that had a crush on her when they were in high school together.

They were, you know, like, do you think that there is this, oh my God, this girl who liked me finally is giving me attention?

I guess I will brand her.

But I mean, I still, to me, I still can't.

To me, it was less of the branding and more of like the broken nose with the hockey stick, you know, like

right.

Yeah.

There was a lot.

Jesus.

My take on Sherry Papino's whole situation, what I believe is that she has probably encountered several bad actors, whether that's her original husband, a boyfriend her parents i don't know she clearly is a person

what actors or apples bad actors actors yeah bad actors bad people bad apples whatever not great people she's encountered bad people however you want to say i think it's a couple of bad apples there they're you could say actors you could say apples there's a interchangeable yeah i believe they are either way bad people she's she's uh i i i think she is definitely a victim for sure like i don't know when how many times i definitely think she's someone who's been victimized in her life.

And I have a lot of empathy for that.

I also think she's an absolute liar.

And I think she's also, which is very common.

I think she's also someone who's victimized a lot of people as well.

And I, I, right, when we interviewed her, you know, it's, it's like you said, you said it's tough.

You know, we're not, we don't pretend to be journalists on the show.

When we get an opportunity to interview, we, you know, a lot of our interviews are light and fun.

And we're out, we're talking like journal mods.

We're talking reality TV and Love Island.

And then we get some opportunities where like you know these are serious topics You know with in serious conversations I just you know you you just want to ask the questions that you want you know people are asking and then you just kind of see how this person answers it and then this they respond and and and let the audience decide but like there was a vibe in the room that like there's an energy that was very uncomfortable at least you know i i thought when when sherry was there i just what i thought it was kind of an icky feeling crazy and i even asked her this of like so you you know she just kept saying, like, I didn't want the emotional affair that she was having with James to like her kids to find out.

And so, I'm like, the police sat when you were in that interrogation room, they're like, by the way, like, if you lie to us, like, you will be arrested, right?

This is a crime.

Just gonna put that out there.

If you lie to us, she's like, okay, no, for sure.

Right.

And then she's like, I, I'm like, you were more afraid to tell your children that you had an emotional affair than go to prison and like be away from your kids?

There's something about her, and I think maybe I'll say it's like she's like one-fourth the truth and three-fourths like a lie.

And it's like, and it's hard to tell which part is the truth and which part is the lie because you see all that footage of her and you see her lying so openly and honestly.

And I do believe, yes, maybe your husband is kind of a jerk and an asshole.

And I believe that to be true.

And I do believe that she definitely orchestrated this thing.

And maybe what she orchestrated got out of hand.

But I also want to know, like, what, I do, I am like, we'll never know what happened.

And I mean, and the fact that that other guy, the, the guy that kidnapped her, like, he's not, no one's asking him any questions.

It seems like he did one lie detector test and they're like, done, got it.

That is weird.

But it's, it's weird, right?

It's, it's like, it's like, it was, you know, obviously Karen Reed, that whole story behind that is like, you know, to a certain extent, the police didn't do their job or they did it in a way that was ineffective or they didn't go the full distance.

And I feel like that's the same thing that happened here to a certain extent.

Like they just took this guy, give him one lie detector test.

I think that they knew that she was lying or they made that decision early on.

It was like, we're just going to drive right into you.

And

then that's, and that's a bummer too, because it's, it kind of gives this guy off, gets this guy off if he did do this.

I don't, but it's so hard.

There was also like the video footage of the investigators or police going to talk to James.

And they're like, by the way, if she asked you to hurt her,

that's not a crime.

Like you're not in trouble if she asked you.

It's like.

Yeah, they really, they really led him in that way.

And then it's like, oh.

But then it's also like, then she said, oh, I want to go home and see my kids.

And he's like, okay, I'll drive you home.

And I'm like, what?

Like, what?

Like, I don't, I just didn't.

Like, there's so many parts of it.

And that's why like you're talking to her and she says things so like and that's i was really interested because i was like oh the documentary is one way and then listening to her on the show i was like oh this will hopefully be a little bit more casual she'll be like you get you'll get different things from her but she i think in her personality that's part of her she's slippery she's just slippery it's like it's a tricky person to kind of figure out if she's using you and and you don't want to get too close because at one point you will become the enemy right and that's somebody that i think we've all seen in different relationships that you know throughout our entire lives.

Yeah.

Well, Paul, thanks for

breaking it all down with us.

This has been super fun.

We appreciate you coming back.

I'm so excited to be here.

Yeah.

Where can people find you?

They can find me on social media, wherever you get your social media.

I'm on there.

Just Paul Scheer.

I have a book called Joyful Recollections of Trauma.

New York Times bestseller.

Very excited.

Thank you so much.

And

yeah, and then I'm on tour and popping around in Portland and Seattle and Vancouver.

Well, Paul, this has been tons of fun.

I hope you come back soon.

And any luck with the single dad duties, man.

48 hours.

Appreciate it.

And, you know, props to you.

You crushed it, honey.

Well, thanks.

It's definitely just not easy.

Next time I come on,

I'm going to take the challenge.

I'm going to take the Dylan Efron challenge.

I'm going to get Aab.

There you go.

AAB for you by the time I come back.

Once June gets back and settled in,

you guys are welcome to come back together too.

We'd love to have her on as well.

Oh my gosh, that would be a blast.

Well, definitely when Traders comes back, I want to

ever do Traders?

Man, you know, that's the one show

that I'm like, I'm always nervous about like, would I do a show?

That one seems really fun.

Yeah.

You know, I'll tell you the person I want to do Traders.

I want Jeff Probst.

to do traders as a contestant.

I would love to get like hosts.

That's a good call.

Right?

Wouldn't that be awesome?

Like, I think, like, get those people who really work their connections.

I, I, you know, the ones who are used to hosting the games and not playing them.

Yes, a hundred percent because they also understand the mental manipulation and stuff like that.

Uh, I would fold, I would come across the worst version of myself on any reality show.

Props to anyone on a reality show for bearing themselves in such a way.

Like, the emotional moments, like, you know, obviously, like, people are crying.

You're seeing every, it's, it's a part of myself I would never want to show to anyone.

So, God bless everyone, even on the traders.

You see these moments where you're like, and you can imagine six months later, like, why the hell was I crying?

I'm going to vote it off of the show.

I didn't know it.

$2,000.

Like, all right, I'm so I lost my fact to get $2,000.

Who cares?

Well, Paul, I appreciate you coming on, man.

I hope everyone go follow Paul.

Check out everything he's doing.

And

we'll see you next time, Paul.

All right.

See you.

Bye-bye, Jay.

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Oh, okay.

It's just like to everyone.

see, I'm already programmed to the clap on the queue, you know?

All right.

Ready to rock and roll?

Yeah.

I'm ready.

Hannah, welcome to the show.

So glad to have you.

We're excited to talk.

I'm so excited.

No, I have so many questions for you.

I love you so much.

Please tell me you are going to rekindle with Charlie.

I need to know right now.

You know, I am still completely disconnected from the outside world.

I have no clue what's going on.

I know no clue what's going on in his head.

I think it's all kind of whatever happens is supposed to happen.

I don't think I'm going to force any of my connections outside of the villa because I didn't do it inside.

But, you know,

let's just play like a game.

Yeah.

Okay.

You get your phone back.

You got like three messages from Charlie, a couple DMs.

He probably doesn't have your number.

And he's like, when and where, girl, I will come to you.

Do you say yes?

Yeah, of course.

Okay.

I like, we were like in our own world the whole time.

We were always laughing.

We had the best time.

We seriously did.

We had him on the show a couple episodes ago and he said that he was obviously watching the show and he said he would skip past your parts.

Oh, that's sad.

I'm like, meanwhile, me, I only watched my parts.

It was like after he left, he was like, I didn't want to see her with Pepe, so I would just fast forward.

Oh, wait, that's really sad.

That makes me feel really sad.

So sweet.

I'm like, I'm sorry, Charlie.

I'm sorry, Charlie.

I really did talk about him all the time.

Well, that being said, I mean, like, you know, we get it, right?

It's Love Island.

Things move fast.

But, you know, now that you've got a taste of both of these, you know, handsome men, which direction are you leaning over?

No, no, no.

Who were you more upset?

Yeah.

Okay.

To leave Pepe or for Charlie to leave you?

I feel like I'm going to hurt your feelings with this one.

No, not at all.

We don't care.

Listen, we just want you to be Hannah.

Happy.

Happy, Hannah.

Yeah.

Definitely.

I think I was more sad to leave Pepe.

Do you think you were more sad to leave Pepe or more sad to just be like abruptly ejected from your environment and the villa?

Yeah, I think that also plays a part in it.

But I also think like there is a...

complete other side of like me and Pepe's story that's just like nobody knows about.

My reality and my experience is really different than what I saw.

I'm like, it looks like he hates my guts, but I promise like it's way different.

Well, give us, now's the time.

Give us a little bit of that insight.

Like, you know, give us the, like, the Hannah and Pepe love story.

Yeah.

I think he,

honestly, I don't even think there's a word in my vocabulary that would like articulate and illustrate like the connection that we had.

I think we, it was so like, I don't even know the word like ambiguous.

We had like really like silly like banter.

Honestly, like we bullied each other a lot, but it was like it was all fun and games.

And that's what they showed.

Like, they showed us like bullying each other, but it was always jokes or like we'd flip each other off like across the villa.

But then, like, we would have these really serious moments.

And I honestly was never not reassured by that man.

Like, if he was gonna go talk to somebody, he'd be like, By the way, I'm gonna go have this chat.

Like, I'll come back and like let you know everything.

And before the recoup, not recoupling, whatever, when I got sent home, the elimination, he sat down with me after like it was right before it was literally right before i got eliminated and he was like i don't know what's happening tonight he was like all i know that if this is like i'm leaving tonight and this is the last chat that i get to have like i really wanted to have it with you and so in my mind i'm like we're fine like we're like the strongest couple nothing's gonna happen and then I think it was just a really big shock, but there's so much that I hope that I get to see like little behind the scenes because we would just stay up all night talking, all night.

Like, literally, the sun would be up, and we'd get like 10 minutes of sleep and be delusional.

I think that's why we were like so delusional all the time.

Tell us something about Pepe.

America hasn't been able to learn yet.

He surprised me way more than I ever thought he would.

He's so different.

And I think everyone in the villa can like attest to that.

He's so different than what I thought when I originally had like connected with him.

He is so sweet.

He's like, literally, such a man.

He's such a gentleman.

He's so reassuring to everyone.

Like he always is checking on everyone.

He literally like Charlie gets sent home and he's comforting me for hours and like making me a bunch of food.

And I think that honestly came across.

I think America was like, he seems just like a really, really nice.

Like sweet guy.

I think that did come across.

Have you wrecked your brain on why they chose you?

You know, I was kind of waiting to get clarity from like watching the episodes, and I never did.

Let's be honest, Hannah, they've fucked you over.

Yeah, I mean, it hurt a lot.

And like, those were my friends, and I don't think our friendships were really shown as well either.

I was really close with all of them.

I was really close with Huda, but I think I was really mad at Huda the last couple of days I was in the villa.

Did it make you question the genuineness of those friendships?

No, because

I know that it's, we have no sleep, and like we're all kind of deluded half the time.

Like, we don't know what's going on.

And like, yeah, I was really, really upset, but I think it's just conversations that we need to have like post-villa.

You know, I think we all had talked about like watching the show together and being like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

This is what I meant when I said that, you know, because we say a lot of shit we don't mean.

There was a lot of Hurricane Hannahs throughout the Villa that weren't shown.

You know, I like had my crash out moments.

But

let's be real here.

Like between, like, we all thought, like, and we loved iris she seemed like a chill person

we didn't all think iris iris stood on the front lines for hurricane hooda and took one for the team by being partner i just thought we thought of my

well i think a lot of

well there was a case for either and no disrespect for any we were fans of all three women but like iris was in a relationship or kind of with jeremiah she wasn't really making a lot of connections she had the buddings of a match with jt amaya had been striking out like i think a lot of frustrations with america right now is there's not a lot of of like connections being made, right?

People aren't like, it's just a lot of friend and like, but you've been, you've been really trying and you've been really making these connections.

And so of those three women, you were the one that like had something going with Pepe.

And so it just like made no sense why they chose you.

And it seems kind of messed up.

Yeah.

Um,

Iris is such a sweetheart.

And I think that she really does deserve.

deserve that chance.

I think she deserves that opportunity because she did have something going with TJ.

It's just not really blossomed yet.

And I think she was just a sweetheart.

And like, I defended that girl to the end of time.

Like I was sitting there like waiting for them to reveal who they had chosen.

I was like, please don't.

Like, I don't want it to be Iris because she just hasn't had her time yet.

I think Amaya, too, like, she's, oh my gosh, that girl is full of emotion.

And I just think she really has not found her connection yet.

So although I didn't think it was going to be me, I really

didn't want it to be them either.

I didn't want it to be any of us.

I knew it was going to go one way or the other.

But I think what had bugged me is it said that like it's,

I don't remember who said it, but they said there was more effort from Iris and Amaya, which I just don't think is true.

You were the only one in a relationship.

Yeah, because even still I was still exploring.

I had a conversation with TJ.

I wasn't really feeling it.

Me and Jalen did several times try to have talks.

There was just not really time

because I was like the one that was like, I'm going to talk to literally every single person and whatever works out will.

But like, I never had to force my connections.

They just kind of fell into place.

And it was so beautiful.

And it was an amazing experience.

But I do feel like it was cut short.

Yeah.

I think it was Sierra who was trying to justify the decision by saying, like, you were so lucky to have these two amazing connections that like the other two women deserve that chance.

And it's like, you don't get sent home because you have a connection.

You get sent home because you.

can't form a connection.

So it was a little like, I think America definitely was, was very upset.

We were pissed.

We were pissed.

Yeah, it did make me sad because Sierra was like my big sister.

I feel like we had, like, she was really reassuring of me.

And she would always, like, whenever I was down, she would really have a lot of talks with me.

So it does, it does hurt.

But, you know, at the end of the day, there's nothing I can do to change it.

And I just had to move forward.

Mature answers.

Did you see last night's episode?

Yes.

I did.

I was freaking the fuck out.

Were you crying?

I was crying.

I was crying.

I was like, no, because Alandria, that is my fucking girl.

That is my girl.

Like, she got me through all of my funks in the villa.

And she's the funniest girl in the fucking world.

And Nick, too.

Nick, Nick was like one of my really close friends as well.

And I was like, what the?

Like, I was like, send out my own guy.

So we don't know what's going on.

Obviously, it doesn't seem like they're actually gone.

Who knows what the producers are cooking up?

I like America's a bit frustrated with them messing with the format of CASA more, but like, you know, whatever.

I guess we'll see.

Maybe we'll be happy in the end.

That being said, it's, it's interesting that it was Orlandria and Nick getting in the car together.

I don't know if you're aware of this, probably not because you don't have your phone, but there's been a lot of like fans like kind of sipping the idea of Orlandria and Nick.

They, you know, whether it's in the games or like just like little looks that, you know, maybe they're catching in the villa, but like there's a lot of people like kind of speculating there's like this hidden love affair between the two of them.

Does that make any sense to you whatsoever?

Is there anything there?

Could we be surprised?

Is this what the producers are cooking up for us?

What do you have to say about that?

Oh my gosh, if that there is, it's really hidden.

And maybe I'm fucking oblivious, but I mean, I know we like would make out with her and challenges, but like.

Challenges were challenges.

We just made out with everyone.

Like it was literally just like a big make out session.

All right.

Okay.

So you didn't see any like flirtiness going on between the two of them that made you think, oh, maybe.

Nick's a flirt.

Nick flirts with everyone.

Nick would flirt with like a brick wall.

But I don't know.

Maybe there was, but I really could not say, yeah.

Well, you left right before Casa Moore happened.

And I know that you had something nice going with Pepe.

That being said, were any of the men that entered in Casa Moore, did they, any of them kind of

pique your interest?

Do you think you, you know, which of the guys do you think you would have gone for?

yeah, there was like they were all cute.

Um, we want names.

I think, I think Elan was really cute.

Uh, like, that's like who I was drawn to when I was watching.

And I was like, damn, I had, I missed out.

But, you know, I really do like my connections that I did have.

What are your predictions about what's going to happen next episode?

Damn.

Uh, hopefully we find out what's going on with, I think they're either gonna have like Nick go to Casa and Alandra go back to the villa.

Maybe spice spice that up a little and see.

Oh, yeah, but I don't know.

I feel like that would be a little crazy.

Uh, I hope that Sierra gives a little bit more of an opportunity to Elan because I feel like they kind of have this similar vibe that's really cute.

I don't know.

I'm like, I'm just as curious as you are because now I'm like outside of the villa.

I'm like, I don't want to know, I don't want to watch.

Have you been?

They haven't shown a lot of it, but Grayson and Pepe are obviously coupled right now.

Yeah.

How does that make you feel?

Oh, I was skipping through that whole episode trying to find it.

I'm like, damn, there's nothing.

I'm like, maybe that's a good thing.

But he did say something that was like, it's weird, like waking up in bed and like, and it's like

not her or whatever.

I think it was cut off.

So I don't know what the rest of the sentence was, but I was like, oh,

like, I just,

you know.

I try not to think about it too much.

I really think he deserves happiness no matter if it's with a new connection or whatever.

I want him to have the best experience in there.

But what do you really want?

Do you like, are you just more like, this is like Love Island and that'll stay at Love Island?

Or would you be really happy if Pepe came out looking for you?

Yeah, that would be nice.

But also, I know how much one conversation can change everything.

It's literally like one day to the next, you could feel completely different.

And I think.

coming out, I was like, I don't know what's going to happen.

I had two really, really great connections and I don't know how either of them would play out in the outside world.

But, you know, he we did have like plans together, like for when we were out.

So, hopefully, those fall through and or follow through.

And if not, then like I really enjoyed that experience with him and I learned a lot.

Okay, all right, you gotta ask.

What?

Oh, shit.

Oh, yeah.

I know what's coming.

Oh,

I almost forgot.

I'm like, she's so sweet and innocent and just this.

So,

the spitting in the hand.

Were you like, did you need like moisturizer?

Were your hands like a little dry?

Did you forget about the cameras?

Was it, did you feel like it's so or did you just not give a fuck?

Yeah, did you just not give a fuck?

Okay.

For one, yeah, I feel like I was like somebody who really forgot I was being recorded like all the time.

Even I think Pepe was saying like at least we got our mics off and I was like there's mics in the headboard.

And I think like I thought we were being discreet.

I really and when I saw that, I was gagged.

I was like, no, fuck.

I really thought like nobody's going to have a glue.

Nobody's going to have a glue.

Yeah, I mean, it was just like the combo of like you sitting in your hand and then just like his body just

back and forth.

I'm like, did she just?

Oh, is this?

Oh, my God.

There's a lot of spitting from me this year.

Did it last longer than 26 seconds, though?

Because Nick, I only asked because like Nick wouldn't shut up about how brief his interaction was.

I don't know.

I think, yeah, it was probably longer than 26 seconds.

I don't know.

I was like, I would think, I was on high alert the entire time.

I was like, what the fuck is going on?

Yeah, when I, you got to ask, because like you guys are all sleeping in the same room.

Are people, like, when, when shit's going down,

like, are, are your bunk mates like like covering their ears?

Are there jokes being made?

Are there like little snickers?

Like, are people like, do they know what's going on?

I think nobody ever knew that me and Pepe were intimate at all because we would stay up for hours talking.

Everyone was already asleep before like anything.

Like, that was probably like three hours after we went to bed.

Did you ever hear Huda and Jeremiah?

Because they were before you.

Yeah.

You did.

Yeah.

I would sleep with earplugs.

Really?

Yeah.

Did it help?

Or were you like,

was it like she wanted people to know?

Oh, I don't really know.

I think they just kissed really, really loudly.

Okay.

All right.

You mentioned earlier that you were mad at Huda the last couple of days.

I mean, obviously, Hurricane Huda, she's made a lot of waves, but was it just because of everything that we're seeing and why America seems to be frustrated with her?

Are there specific things that we didn't get to see that was frustrating you about Huda?

Yeah.

You know, we were the two hurricanes of the villa.

I think that's something me and her always joked about, that we had our own crash outs and hurricanes.

Two very different storms, I got to be honest.

Yours is like a light drizzle, maybe.

Yours is like, oh, it's raining.

Oh, fun.

I love thunderstorms.

Rain boots.

Yeah.

Hudders was like, oh my God, are the windows closed?

But I think we bonded a lot.

We had a lot.

We actually had a lot to talk about and we were really close.

But I was really close with everyone.

I think we honestly really had like really good sisterhood.

I think partial reasons why I was mad was I was really good friends with Iris when she came in.

And I don't think she was treated fairly.

But what I do need to like note is like emotions are really high and I feel like we don't really think very logically.

Yeah, that's fair.

I was really, really mad at her

just like because we did have like a lot of conversations about like my connection and like also her connection.

And I feel like I was there for her a lot.

So I did feel a little like, I guess like blindsided by everything.

And when I left, she was like, just let you know, like, I didn't, like, we didn't send send you home because of like us being like in a fight.

And I think, like, we never really got our closure with that situation because she tried to like talk to me right before my elimination, but it was like a group setting.

So I was kind of uncomfortable.

Um, just because, like, I don't want, I would rather talk to her like one-on-one because I feel like that's when we really like got together the most.

Um, I think there is a lot that's not shown, but um,

she's a mother, and like, I think that she's mama sita, um,

I think that she really deserves to have like a comeback story now that Jeremiah is gone and like really find somebody that like maybe it won't be in the villa, but like, you know, use this experience to really learn and grow from it.

Some people seem to think that the reason they chose you is because,

you know, Sierra had just had a conversation with Nick where she was like, I want to be closed off.

He was like, no, I want to be open.

And then Huda obviously did not have any connection.

So a lot of people are maybe thinking that they wanted Pepe to themselves.

Do you find any truth in that?

Or do you think that's just ridiculous?

I know that Sierra was interested in still getting to know Pepe.

I just don't think there was ever really the time for that just because, you know, we were really close.

We talked all, me and Pepe were talking all the time.

So maybe potentially, I don't think that there's really a door open for Huda and Pepe at all because I think he was pretty

at least from what he told to me.

He was like, oh, no, no, that's not going to happen.

But, you know, I would hope Sierra wouldn't do that to me.

But, you know i i can't control anyone else's feelings and i think with pepe he was very much like i'm not gonna force a connection with anyone that i don't have so like if something blossoms from that then like it's what is supposed to happen it's what's meant to be i know you have to get going real soon but uh hopefully a final question kind of a two-part question okay other than yourself because like you know after huda swerved and kind of went for pepe you at least you know said something to her like respectfully confronted her but i think america in general will seem to be a little frustrated with just the collective group of the women.

Like we understand that y'all want to support each other, but we wanted like some of you women to kind of check Huda a little bit.

Did that happen that we didn't get to see?

Or was Huda just like kind of like hard to check?

I did a lot actually.

And so during the milk challenge, I got milked for like two chicken to speak her mind, but I actually told Iris to pour it on me because I'm like the one that stands on business.

I address everything right away.

I think there was a couple couple clips like during when Iris and Huda were having that conversation in soul ties and Huda was like, oh, that's my dream date.

And I was like, girl, we didn't plan the date.

We didn't even know we were going on the date until we woke up, but they didn't include that.

And I think when she was telling Iris or saying like, Iris isn't a girl's girl.

And I was like,

how is she not a girl's girl?

Like, she's like, she was forced into a couple.

So there's a couple times like, I think we all, yeah, I think Shelly especially would also stand, we all did.

We all would say things and be like, girl, you're being crazy.

But like, we were all being crazy at times.

Like,

just the name of the game.

Do you think you'll be friends with Huda post-show, after the show?

I think that we need to have like a chat, like, completely offline, off-camera.

And I really did have a good connection with her, but I think I was really hurt.

And that's things that we need to talk about.

But only time will tell.

I don't know how she's going to feel outside.

I don't know what's going on outside.

I have no clue what anyone's perception of anything is.

So it's a little like you're just kind of sitting there in your room by yourself, like thinking

everything's crazy.

And you don't know what

you're doing.

So, I think you can sleep good at night knowing that everyone loves you.

I'm like, oh my God, everybody.

I mean, listen, listen, as someone who's been in your shoes before, not Love Island style, but like, just have fun with this whole experience.

Like, stay offline.

Truly, like, people are fans of you.

People might say shit online.

Who gives a fuck about any of that shit?

Like, we had so much fun watching you.

You were an absolute delight.

You played the game right.

You went for it.

Like, you know, you know, you should be proud of how you carry yourself and we're big fans.

Thank you.

All right, Hannah.

Appreciate your time.

I know you have to get going.

Best of luck going forward.

We hope to see you again somehow, some way on our television set, maybe with the Love Island Challenge or whatever.

Maybe there's an after-show next season.

You never know.

So

we'll see you around and best of luck.

Thank you.

All right.

Take care.

Bye-bye.

All right.

Finally, we're getting into the valley here.

Honestly, the only thing I want to talk about is that stupid man therapy.

I mean, this,

who is this guy who is like, you know, he looks like the American Idol winner.

What's his name?

Chris Daughtry.

Chris Daughtry, his clone.

Like, life coach that, like, fucking Jesse keeps bringing along.

It's like, are you a life coach?

Are you a bro?

Are you part of the friend group?

Did they just like at one of the guys in their friend group, you'd be like, hey, do you guys want to be our, you want to be our therapist?

We're to a friend.

When I was taking notes on this episode i was like fake therapy

fake uh fake uh rehab life coaches what what is like and the way he was like so what we're gonna do is you're going to tell me all of the things that you are struggling with and that's called a list it's like that was crazy that was crazy it's like i make one of those i said never

a list like ground virgo and that's called i make a list in my sleep

you know that every listen, if you're in your 30s or older and you hang out with your boys like you did in college, you're a loser.

Word.

You're just like, you're supposed to mature as life goes on.

I don't think any of these guys are in their 30s.

They're all in their 40s.

Whatever.

I'm fine.

But that makes them more losers.

You know, I just like, at some point, you have to like grow out of old relationships.

Like, I'm still like friends with, I have, I have friends from high school, but we don't talk every day.

You know, we have lives, you know, we are, you know, and maybe if, listen, if you're not lucky enough to have a family or maybe you chose not to have kids.

They're filming a show.

They have to hang out with you.

I don't give a shit.

But, you know, but like the way they bond like this, it's just like, why can't they have more?

This is who this group is.

I actually don't think they hang out that often when they're not filming.

It's like, I don't think they're that good of friends.

I do think they're fine.

Maybe so.

Maybe it's just a show.

But like, I do think there's a lot of, I think there's a lot of like adult couples out there that like still need to hang out with their friends more than they should don't you know I mean if they want to hang out with their friends I guess I don't really care not they're gonna hang out with your friends But it's just more like this might be a show but there is a legitimate group chat of these guys that is a daily chat that they talk about that that's a real thing you know that it's like I I don't I just don't think like people who like have lives and who like are invested in like they're like are are waking up and messaging in some some like 20-deep group chat, like, with, like, locker room jokes.

And to your point, when Jesse was like to Luke, that you're loyal, your blind loyalty to your

mind.

Your girlfriend, yeah.

Like, where it's like, because he's in a healthy relationship and he puts his girlfriend before your needs, Jesse.

That's what you're supposed to do in a marriage, let alone a relationship.

Yeah, and I want to preface.

Like, I think Luke's being dragged down by these men.

And Danny seems like an all right guy, a father of four who like signed up for a a show that he probably regrets doing.

The way the amount of times Danny has to apologize to this fucking cast is fucking crazy.

He's apologizing every episode.

He's the only one who actually takes accountability and it's for the dumbest fucking shit.

And they still don't let it go at the Mexican restaurant.

Janet is

cast off again about the same old shit.

That's what my biggest gripe with this show is right now is that I feel like we're still talking about the same drama over and over and over and over and over again.

Like, why is Janet bringing up the

ring again?

And who's bringing it up over and over and over again?

It's like Janet knows that they're filming a reality show and she needs drama, so she's just like bringing shit up for no reason.

Yes, my boyfriend actually made an astute observation and he was like, this, she doesn't fit with what's going on in this scene.

And I was like, yes, it's like watching a real housewife of New Jersey having lunch with real housewives of Beverly Hills.

Yeah.

Like it's just like you were just yelling at nobody at dead air.

And Kristen's not even there anymore.

She got up and she left five minutes ago.

I don't know why you're yelling.

What

is that she's done?

Like, she's done with the tears.

She's done with it being intense.

She's done with this.

She's done with that.

It's like, okay, then if you're done, then shut up.

Yeah.

Be done.

Literally.

We're waiting for you to be done.

And then she's like, in the next scene, she's like, I guess I really hurt Nia's feelings because she got up crying.

It's like, oh, so you do care that she was crying or you can't take it when she cries when it gets too intense.

You can't do the tears.

Like, which one is it?

Or is it that not enough people once she left had your back they actually said to you that was kind of up and now it's like oh i guess i'll have some level of humility and take it back i'm like you're making this woman cry she's been through enough like no and the whole thing is you're you drink too much Isn't your whole gripe with everybody else is that they drink too much and that they're not in control of their behavior?

We gotta, we gotta get Luke on the show.

I want to get, I want to see, I want to hear what Luke really thinks of these guys.

Yeah.

I feel like he would talk some 100%.

I also, one thing, just going back to the counselor, wasn't this counselor uh jesse's failed marriage counselor with michelle

it was first season he he failed at keeping your marriage together he's your personal therapist you've shown zero growth he's not and now we're gonna do a men's therapy a therapist my life coach no he's yeah he's not giving certified it's giving accountability coach yeah it's not a real job

i mean it was it was stupid this honestly the show i'm done like do you want to talk about being done i think i'm done with the show it's so boring it's so predictable It's so dark.

It's so like, it's not a fun watch.

It's like every time I watch it, there's nothing like this at all.

It also feels like Groundhog's Day.

I'm like, what?

Didn't I see this already?

Well, and then it kind of feels like gross too, because I'm like, whether Dan, I mean, Danny seems to be supporting his family, doing well as a family man, but it's like they got him to essentially admit about like hiding his drinking on camera.

And it's just kind of like, I'm like, okay, and now Jason.

That was the biggest breakthrough.

And Jason's like, this is so great.

This is huge that he admitted.

And I'm just like, why are you trying to put this on national television?

Like, if you cared about this person,

then you would want them to work on that on their own.

Like, you don't treat your actual friends this way.

But then you support Jax the day he gets out of rehab being like, oh, yep, nope, you've got a drinking problem.

Like, I wouldn't be pointing fingers, sir, while we're a work in progress for the last 15 years.

No, it's, it's crazy.

Moving on to next, Jen.

The only thing, my biggest takeaway this episode, the only thing I really wanted to discuss is

it was a remote.

I don't think I'll do this as a parent, but uh the way i really empathize for charlie i mean his dad seems like a real prick um and charlie's awful charlie is awful you know i know but he's like i get why he's awful i get why he's awful like you know what actually now i kind of do want to fuck ariana no he is awful but he's at a he clearly his his dad is like in every scene he clearly like is wants to be famous He's obviously the successful business person.

And the way he competes with Charlie is gross.

Like, I just discussed it.

To be a parent who competes with your kids is

such an honest thing.

I love the early 20-year-old girls.

Like, who's more attractive, me or Charlie?

They're all like, oh,

it's

that's why Charlie is the way he is.

His dad's like taught him.

His dad is an asshole who basically said, you have to be an asshole.

And, and his dad is, you know, obviously professionally successful.

And so Charlie his whole life has been, you know he might be a prick but when they interview charlie and he's just like he has more memories of

like he doesn't know how what it's like to feel love from his father it's like it's kind of sad and you know it really makes uh the mr marks uh you know quirky but a good dad he seems like a loving father but yeah

what is this drama going on with gia

well she doesn't think there are taxes in jersey which is also not true well i mean it only maybe in their household so yeah did you see hanging up on that local news channel?

And they were like,

she's like, that is not what I signed up for.

Earlier this month, there were rumors swirling that Gia was fired following a cheating scandal at her university.

Why would the show fire her?

It sounds like it was all speculation.

Yeah, what?

I don't know.

It sounds like it was all socially abusing his wife.

I don't think they're going to be able for cheating on a test.

Sounds like it's all speculation.

And Andy Cohen is saying that he's not a producer, but it's of next gen, but it's the first time he's hearing of any discord

what happened was that people were speculating that gia was fired from the cast of next gen for in quotes inappropriate behavior but andy was like i don't know if i knew that to be true but i'm also not a producer wait so inappropriate behavior at school or

i don't think she's fired i know it as like with the cast it's a cheating she's not no it's all it's supposedly a cheating scandal but she said i'm not fired from bravo and the cheating scandal is just not true that never happened i also graduated two years ago and this story and this story came out like two weeks ago so you know, the math is just not mathing.

People are just bored.

They don't have anything better to do or say or post.

But no, sadly, guys, I'm still on Bravo.

Sorry to break your hearts.

Sadly, guys, I'm still on Bravo.

She is Teresa's daughter.

For real.

Well, she's definitely one of the stars.

Honestly, like, you know, again, it's, I'm not totally invested yet in the show.

Like, it's, it's a fun watch.

She still has the glitz and glamour of New York.

It does seem like it's a cast of like, Charlie aside, like decent people, which

you know says a lot given like they've had some wild upbringings.

And some of them have like crazy jobs, you know, like Georgia's like, oh, I just grow events and she's like, what, in her 20s?

Like it's just, I don't know.

It's like, it's kind of cool seeing like people actually trying to make it in Manhattan with different goals.

Like Ariana starting a clothing brand.

Like Ava's a very successful model with her like super successful producer dad.

Like it's just cute seeing them like.

the different types of lifestyles they lead.

And a lot of people have like seen these kids grow up.

And even like the way Ava's like, I love talking to my dad because it's just so nice talking to someone who's just so sat and ready to hear everything that I have to say.

And it's like, I don't know.

It's cute because it's like you would think some of these people would be really out of touch and they seem like very connected with their families.

And then you have Charlie on the complete polar opposite end and they all kind of come from different places.

So.

Well, Mary.

said that if we didn't mention this, she would be really upset.

So I'm going to mention this.

She wanted us to bring up George's take on dating men in finance.

Georgia said, I don't think it's ironic that I'm dating someone in finance because he's not in finance.

He's in crypto, which I think is actually the antithesis of like finance jobs.

It's way more anarchist, way more radical.

Georgia's an interesting one.

That's a take.

I mean, you know, it's a different type of finance, but.

All right.

Well, hopefully the valley gets more positive.

I'll have to drag Nally, you know,

I'm not checked out yet.

I think they're, you know, I think we have,

you know, Kristen and Luke.

Well, Kristen and Luke are getting out of here.

I don't know when their engagement episode is, is but i feel like that's going to happen soon because like we do know that they if it's not next episode

that's going to be annoying uh so we'll have to watch that and then you know well let's just give uh we'll give next gen some time but up next we got the stars of mcb dynasty steven and cala

steven cala welcome to the show thanks for having us excited to be on yeah excited to be with you guys as uh someone who's a a big yellowstone fan as i'm sure you guys have heard this plenty of times, it's been fun to discover this show, McBee Dynasty.

I'm new to the show.

I've been catching up.

I've seen the first episode of this season, but what has this experience been like for y'all?

And I'm assuming you guys hear the Yellowstone reference a lot.

We hear it quite a bit.

And to us, it's a compliment.

I love Yellowstone.

I mean, I think it's one of the best series I've seen in recent years.

And a lot of what is on that show is very accurate to what takes place on a modern day farm and ranch, aside from the train station and a few other components that are not accurate.

But other than that,

you guys don't murder a lot of people.

Yeah, there's no killer.

We don't kill people.

Yeah, there's no murder or anything happening behind the scenes.

But, you know,

it's been an experience.

It's been a journey, a roller coaster ride.

And I think whenever we first hopped on reality TV for this show specifically, we said, we're not going to hide anything.

We're going to be raw, authentic.

We're going to show all of our flaws and all of their glory, I guess.

How about you, Kayla?

It's really not too chaotic.

I mean, we did a dating show.

That was the first show that we did.

And then obviously McBee Dynasty season one was completely different than the dating show.

But

no, I mean, it has its ups and downs, but it's been pretty good overall for sure.

Steven, obviously, like, you know, your dad recently kind of made some headlines, getting in some legal trouble.

And it seems like he's taken a step back from the show.

What is that pressure like for you, both, I guess, as the kind of the leading man of the show, but also just on a personal level?

Like, how do you balance both like, you know, the court of public opinion, being there for your family legally?

Like, what does that emotional baggage feel like dealing with?

For the last year, year and a half that this has been ongoing, not only with the show, but the legal issues as well, it's definitely cranked up the pressure.

And the stress and pressure that I've felt, you know, it's been tremendous.

And there's no way I would have gotten through it and gotten to this point thus far if it wasn't for how tight-knit my family is, you know, having Cala as support.

It takes an entire team to get through something like this, let alone run all the businesses day to day.

And so I'm just very, very thankful that I do have that family support, the support from Cala to really help me keep going through the hard times.

For the audience, the people listening who may not be familiar with what's going on with your dad, I don't know what you're allowed to say.

Obviously, I'm sure there's some legal elements at play, but everyone loves a scandal.

What is your family dealing with as it relates to your dad?

And how optimistic are you that you guys are going to be able to work through it?

Yeah, so there is an FBI investigation into

my dad and some things that took place in the farming operation.

This would have been back in 2018, 2019, is what they're looking at.

And we really are kept in the dark.

And I'm being 100% honest when I say that, as far as what's taking place in the investigation, where we're currently at.

We're hoping to have everything wrapped up by the end of this year.

But we have no idea what the fallout is going to be, what the repercussions are going to be.

And so really, we're just leaning on one another as a family, coming together as a family, and just really being there to support and love and show love to my dad as he goes through this.

Do you know what kind of charges he's facing in terms of like potential years or, you know, I don't know, what does that look like?

It's all up in the air right now.

You know, I think they're coming around to the final conclusions that they're finding.

But as far as specifics go, we don't really know.

I mean, it is such a wide range of what could happen.

And for me specifically, I know if I let myself go down the rabbit hole and spiral to worst case scenario, it's a it's a pretty dark place.

So I try not to think about worst case scenario and just focus, you know, on the task at hand, the businesses that we run day to day and, you know, the positives that we have going on because we do have so many good things going on.

And I hate to say that you compartmentalize, but you try to do your best to do that.

Yeah, 100%.

I mean, it's, and I know you mentioned like, you know, obviously some of the train station aside, but, you know, back to the Yellowstone comparison, it's, you know, there was a lot of storylines between, you know, just like the federal government and running the farm and just kind of like the difference of opinions of how things should operate.

It's kind of fascinating the correlation between your guys' show and

kind of a fictional scripted show like Yellowstone.

There's a quote in Yellowstone, and I think it was.

maybe John Dutton that said it.

He said, you build something worth having and everyone's going to try and take it from you.

And that is so applicable to a real life modern day farm and ranch, especially one of our size.

Seems like every single day we wake up to a new fight, a new battle coming from somewhere.

And, you know, like I said, if we didn't have the family support and love, we would never be able to take on what we do day in and day out.

Do you feel like the attention that the show has gotten has, in a way, like put more of a spotlight on you guys in terms of like what, you know, the FBI and the charges your family's facing?

Without a doubt.

Yeah.

It's not even a question.

And, you know, we knew that there was some inherent risk in having a platform.

And there are so many good things that come with having a platform.

But obviously, you do have some downsides too.

And that for sure is one of them.

So obviously, this is a show that's kind of seems not to be your normal Bravo show.

A lot of the Bravo shows are taking places in cities.

And why do you feel like this show is something that your average Bravo fan, you know, should start paying attention to?

Because it is so different from the other Bravo shows that are out right now.

It just adds that extra like factor to it, don't you think?

Yeah, I would say so.

And I can't speak for everyone else's shows,

you know, as far as the authenticity or how real they are.

I can speak for our own and say that there is not one element of this show that was scripted or preconceived.

Like this is our day-to-day, our everyday lives.

What you see on camera is how our lives are off camera 24-7, 365.

Yes.

Unfortunately, some of the times, yes.

It's fascinating.

I don't think a lot of people realize this, but you guys met on Joe Millionaire.

Yeah.

You did.

On a dating show.

Yeah.

And how did you end up on that show, Calla?

So I was reached out to on Instagram.

This was, I was right out of a relationship.

This was, what, three years ago?

Four years?

Yeah, it'd have been four years ago.

First part of 2021.

Yeah.

So it was a while ago, but they reached out to me on Instagram and I had like 2,000 followers at the time.

And I was like, why not?

I'm freshly single.

And so went on the show, had no idea the concept of the show, what it was called, anything like that.

But yeah, that was wild time.

It was.

Yeah, for me, it was the same thing.

They reached out on Instagram.

And where my farm is, where my farmhouse is, I live five miles from my nearest neighbor.

So you hop on a dating app, and I think the circle that the radius that you can expand is like 100 or 150 miles.

And I would expand that thing all the way.

And I still couldn't reach like a major city.

So you're fishing in a very, very, very small pond in a small town like that.

And I was like, okay, conventional dating styles are not working here.

Maybe a dating show will be the way to go.

Yeah, I mean,

it must have been wild for you, like, and having all these, I'm assuming, beautiful women show up and pickings must be slim in a small, small town.

Yo, he made sure to make out with every single person on that show.

He was like getting his fix.

I enjoyed the show.

It was good.

It was fun.

What set Calla apart from the rest of them?

I just think that we have a lot of similar values, family values for sure.

And so she was born and raised in Dallas, grew up in some suburbs of Chicago, moved back to Dallas.

So she's a Midwestern girl at heart.

There was the majority of the women were from West Coast, East Coast.

So there was a lot of things that we, you know, we just struggled to find similarities on me being from the Midwest.

And I think Cala and I just hit it off right from the very get-go.

Yeah, we're also pretty opposite when it comes to a lot of things, but I think that helped our relationship too.

We really balanced each other out in a lot of ways.

For sure.

Do you ever, do you ever take him out back to the city, Cala?

Occasionally.

yeah we've gotten dressed up a few times yeah yeah he'll pull out a collared shirt every now and then

i never lose the boots and yeah yeah the boots and the hat stay but yeah we've we've enjoyed ourselves in dallas what can people expect this season on mcb dynasty is it mostly drama is it love like what what are we looking at and what can people look forward to oh it's a mix of it all i mean you have the interpersonal relationships you have my dad and his women, and I say that plural, that he is dating and all of the issues that fall out from that and what us boys have to pick up from all of his dating and issues that he has.

You have Calla's and I's relationship, which has its roller coaster ride throughout the season.

My brother's getting married.

Another one has a baby on the way.

And don't forget Galena.

Yeah, Galena, yeah, who is our CFO slash my dad's ex-girlfriend, who my dad is now dating her best friend, ex-best friend.

So that's just messy enough as it is.

So you put all these elements together, then you throw an FBI investigation and trying to run a farm and ranch day to day.

And it's a mess.

It's a train wreck, but it's a fun train wreck.

Yeah.

How do you keep that mental health afloat, Stephen?

A lot of evening walks on the farm, walking up and down some of my driveways, about a mile-long gravel drive.

And we'll go walking up and down that about three or four times a day, especially on the high anxiety days.

And Cala, and I was watching episode one.

I believe it was you, but like you opened up, you know, you've dealt with some tragedy in your family as well.

Yes.

My sister, my little sister, Mallory, she passed away last year, two months before we started filming.

I'm very sorry to hear that.

Thank you.

Yeah, it's been a very difficult year.

It still is very difficult for me to think about and talk about.

But yeah, you see that unfold and everything was happening in real time.

And just.

Me going through the process of grieving and processing all of those emotions plays out on the show.

Man, that must be tough.

So how do you guys come together, the two of you?

Because

usually when relationships deal with some difficult times, it either brings you closer together or breaks you apart.

How do you feel like it brings you guys closer together?

I would say hindsight's 2020 and this season two, getting to watch it back is

really a good self-reflection for how I was or was not there for Calla in the way that she needed us to be there.

You know, and I think it's just, it's a good showing for my family and I and just understanding that, hey, you know, some of the ways that we acted, some of the ways that we were there to support or did not support Cala, if I can do it all over again, I would probably have changed the way that I acted, some of the things that I did or said.

But you get to watch all of this unfold on season two for better or worse, highs and lows.

We lay it all out there.

All right.

Well, I appreciate you guys taking the time.

McBee Dynasty is now on Bravo.

It used to be on PCAC.

It's one of the few shows that's gone in that direction.

It is at 9 p.m.

June 30th, it comes out.

So be sure to check it out.

Congratulations to you guys on another season of McVeigh Dynasty.

Wishing you guys the best of luck.

And I hope everyone tunes in.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks for having us.

I appreciate you guys.

Take care.

All right.

Thank you to all of our guests, Paul, Share, Hannah from Love Island, Stephen, and Kella from McBee Dynasty.

We will see you next week, which will be a shortened week, an adjusted week next week.

But coming back on Reality Recap, we will break down the new released cast of Perfect Match since this episode's already forever log.

But we'll do that.

So much more.

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Enjoy your week, and we'll see you then.

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