E989 - Monica Garcia Returns, RHOC, Katie/Gretchen Beef Deep Dive, RHOM, Love Island Unfollowing & Icks

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Speaker 3 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valve Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, and joined by my wife, who is fixing my mic cover.

Speaker 3 I've already given her the ick twice this this morning. It made me think of,

Speaker 3 I got some women icks for you later this episode.

Speaker 3 Why later? Just give them to them right now.

Speaker 1 Women icks.

Speaker 3 I'm going to wait. Oh.
I'm going to wait. Okay.
Because I was reminded of icks that I have when it comes to the ladies by watching Bachelor in Paradise and Real Housewives of OC.

Speaker 3 But we have a jam-packed episode lined up for you. The iconic Monica Garcia will be joining us momentarily.
Talk a little love island. A lot of stuff going down on the internet.

Speaker 3 People are unfollowing. Relationships seem to be dropping like flies.
Obviously, many of you probably watched a Love Island Reunion last night. We were recording this Monday morning.

Speaker 3 Haven't had a chance to watch it yet. So we will dive deep into the reunion on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap.
We got some exciting guests for you lined up. It's going to be a jam-packed episode.

Speaker 3 It's going to be a ton of fun. Maybe it's all just a ruse.
Maybe they're all in it together. I don't know.

Speaker 5 Maybe they're just like, I'm tired of seeing like your content.

Speaker 5 You know, maybe they're like, I love you and you're my boyfriend, but like you're kind of, your stuff's a little weak and I don't really feel like seeing it.

Speaker 3 Maybe it's just the easiest way to get people to keep talking about them. It's weird timing considering this all happened right before the reunion was about to drop.

Speaker 3 I wonder what created all this, you know.

Speaker 3 sassiness this messiness from from the cast i don't know but if you guys watch at home uh we are it currently in our satellite studio as we like to call it sitting on some new chairs only because the chairs that we were sitting on we are shipping to the lake house to be part of our living room uh because they are very nice fancy chairs and like there's like almost like too nice for like a studio uh which is exciting because that means the lake house is almost done we are weeks away people uh from being in uh my most exciting place i could possibly be in i we can't wait to show you i don't we're not oh just a heads up you're probably not going to show you like right away but we aren't going to have like all the furniture right away you know i don't know we're we're just super excited i i can't wait it's uh It's been a long, long process.

Speaker 3 Not that long, really. I mean, like,

Speaker 5 I'm excited for Nick to see all the things that like I did that like I just didn't fill him in on, you know? Like all the little details that like I

Speaker 3 did. Well, we're very lucky because my parents, as you many of you know, live up on the lake.
Nellie and I have not been to the lake since Christmas. And then we started the essentially rebuild.

Speaker 3 Remodel ended up being just a total rebuild right after. So we haven't been up there at all.
Shout out to mom and dad because they've been

Speaker 3 handling the project from

Speaker 3 ground zero.

Speaker 5 So to say, they're like living in an RV on the property. Right.

Speaker 3 Now they're living in an RV. They got an Airbnb for like six months and then they got kicked out.
Now they, and then they bought a camper. Wait, what?

Speaker 3 They've been living on the property to keep people on their toes,

Speaker 3 sending us photos and things like that from the lake house. Can't wait to finally get up there.
I've been missing that place. Obviously, you know, like the best time to go up there is a summer.

Speaker 3 We haven't been able to go up there all year. But, like, honestly, like, it, you know, I guess all things being equal, nine months isn't that long of a time for a total rebuild.

Speaker 3 But it's, it's going to be amazing. We are, we are super excited about it.
Leia, question for you. You have a child.
Yes.

Speaker 3 What's his walking scatters? I, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to brag about my daughter a little bit.

Speaker 6 Well, he acted funny

Speaker 5 about River and shit.

Speaker 3 I'm not trying to. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Honestly, I'm just trying to get like a

Speaker 3 baseline, really.

Speaker 5 He's literally about to be like, well, Rivers better than you.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 Listen, like, she might slow down. I don't know.
Like, I just, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Why?

Speaker 5 Hey, Leo, where's your son at?

Speaker 3 Because I got to tell you, Louie's driving.

Speaker 5 So, well, actually, funny you ask because.

Speaker 3 Rivers, she's a year and a half. She sprints.
She's full on run.

Speaker 5 So, y'all, last night, the weather was so nice. We like went out to dinner and then we came back and we're like, let's just hang out in the backyard.

Speaker 5 Like, Nick had some music playing and river i was like river you're about to like get the bath and go to bed so let's like get some zoomies out so i was like let's just run then she was like started getting into it then she like wanted i asked nick to race me i almost won um

Speaker 5 but i didn't because because she lost i tripped um but then river saw us racing and she was like

Speaker 5 and like putting her hands up so that she could do it with us so she held both of our hands and we did i don't know maybe 50 sprints back and forth across our backyard dude she flies she's fast and like she didn't get tired and i was like okay

Speaker 3 sit down and she's like

Speaker 3 we're like okay i don't know i feel like some year and a half year olds aren't even walking yet which is again fine you know go at your own pace i'm just like i'm just really impressed with my daughter also leia can you look up or uh sierra when does a child establish whether they're a lefty or a righty because like i've been wondering this because river like you know when she like will throw the ball for Steve, kind of.

Speaker 3 And when she attempts to throw the ball, it's a little bit of like, you know, whatever hand the ball's in type of thing.

Speaker 3 But she has like some like doodle stuff, you know, like, and she's always using her left hand. And dad's a lefty, uh, grandma's lefty.

Speaker 3 And I'm pretty sure River's a lefty, which is kind of cool because what's the percentage of people in the world that are lefty?

Speaker 5 By the way, I think Louie's a lefty, too. It says hand dominance typically emerges between ages two and four with more consistent preference established by five and six.

Speaker 1 When I was little, I always like I was a lefty when I was little, and every like I still throw and do like all sports stuff or like active things with my left hand.

Speaker 1 But then because I went to like Christian school, they were like, No, you should write with your right hand.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 devil writes with the left.

Speaker 1 No, I just like I can write with my right hand and that's it.

Speaker 1 And then everything else I do with my left hand.

Speaker 5 I'm the exact same scissors, right hand.

Speaker 1 Scissors, I can do both hands, honestly.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm a little bit ambidextrous. I don't know if it's ambidextrous.
If you alter, like I write with my left, eat with my right, throw with my right, bat left, golf left,

Speaker 3 kick right.

Speaker 1 A message to schools out there, just let kids use whatever hand they want.

Speaker 3 Wait, Mary gets real.

Speaker 5 The exact same thing happened to me in school. I was like using both hands, probably was a lefty, and then they were like, Your life will be easier if you use your right hand.

Speaker 3 So now I read

Speaker 3 that all the time.

Speaker 5 But I do everything else with my left.

Speaker 1 My mom's ambidextrous because she went to Catholic school and they would slap her right hand.

Speaker 3 No one was going to put me in a corner. I was always going to do what I was going to do.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 They tied my grandmother's left hand behind her so that she would use her right hand.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. Like, just let people be left-handed.

Speaker 3 I've read somewhere that

Speaker 3 you can

Speaker 3 develop a stutter. Like, it really would fuck some, you know, mess some kids' development.

Speaker 5 I had to go to occasional therapy to learn how to ritterly a stuttering as he's talking about.

Speaker 3 david

Speaker 3 listen i can't talk i was like iron say this happens to some kids like

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Bachelor in Paradise was on last night. I don't know about you guys.

Speaker 3 It's just like, I don't know. Like, they're just.

Speaker 3 Leia, you are like an OG Bachelor fan.

Speaker 3 Oh, by the way, speaking of icks.

Speaker 3 Leia, speaking of icks.

Speaker 3 It's being a fan of Bachelor in Paradise and Ick.

Speaker 3 No, it was the episode last night when they were like fake. Leah, you're a huge fan of Nashville comparison.

Speaker 5 Oh, that reminds me.

Speaker 3 Listen, you know. Anyway, listen, I don't like snakes.
We all have our phobias.

Speaker 3 But like, you don't need to have a whole mental breakdown, panic attack, anxiety attack just because you see a few bugs. Like, I think the dramatization,

Speaker 3 like, a full, like, when you use a little phobia to make, have a full-blown meltdown. But you don't have a phobia.
Snakes, I hate snakes.

Speaker 5 You don't have a phobia of snakes.

Speaker 3 What? I don't.

Speaker 5 A phobia is like an intense fear.

Speaker 5 You're just like, oh, snakes.

Speaker 3 Yuck.

Speaker 5 It's not like.

Speaker 3 No, like I have a panic attack around. Europhobia, I guess, is my ick, ladies.
I don't know. If you have a full-on meltdown.

Speaker 1 Sorry,

Speaker 1 your issue that you need to go to therapy about?

Speaker 3 Kind of an ick.

Speaker 1 Your deep-seater trauma?

Speaker 3 did you guys really think that that that cat's uh meltdown is like a true phobia that she needs to go to therapy for because there were a couple flies

Speaker 5 i did flies i think the flies were a bit much but the camping under the light thing i would be the exact same way if i'm getting smacked left right and center with cockroaches flies

Speaker 3 i would i would freak the fuck out no you wouldn't i've seen you around bucks

Speaker 5 if i was covered in cockroaches

Speaker 5 this was not covered in cockroaches you were flying cockroaches it was the horse for me horse yeah babe

Speaker 3 i'm sobbing i am listen cat acted like she was on fear factor covered in roaches and that you know what i'm saying but she was it was the furthest thing from that no i get it i get it i have to go to therapy for a fear factor if you're going to have a melt i'm like i i need you're alone here

Speaker 3 I'm just talking about my ex. I'm just, but you don't do that.
Yes, I would. Put me in that situation.

Speaker 5 I've never been in that situation before.

Speaker 3 You grew up in Alabama and Georgia. You've been around bugs.
And I have.

Speaker 5 And I have, every single time I see a cockroach,

Speaker 3 this wasn't a cockroach. These were bugs.
These were flies. These were like...

Speaker 5 No, thank you.

Speaker 3 Flying cockroaches were a part of that, too. I'm talking about like the...
the dance crying and the tears and the like the total freezing. And it's just like, I get it.

Speaker 1 But Nick,

Speaker 1 I feel like what you're missing out on of this, I get that, I understand that it's an ick, but I feel like you get to kind of like in those moments when a girl is freaking out, that is your opportunity to like

Speaker 3 that button by all means.

Speaker 5 You know, you want to know what's an ick is freaking out when you're watching football or baseball or basketball.

Speaker 5 No, no, no, Leah, you want to know what an ick is?

Speaker 5 It's the imaginary team in his head that the other night he missed his drafting for his imaginary team and he screamed, Fuck! Was like, I'm late for my draft. And I was almost in tears.

Speaker 5 That was an it.

Speaker 1 Hey, you know what's not real? A draft.

Speaker 3 Do you know what are real? I acknowledge. Do you know what is real? Bugs.

Speaker 3 I acknowledge that I give my wife an ick every day. There's something I do where she looks at me.
She doesn't even have to say it. And she just like, I can tell she just threw up in her mouth.

Speaker 3 All I'm saying is like, can't us guys have some icks every once in a while? I don't think that's valid.

Speaker 3 No, Mary, I agree with you. I'm not talking about like Natalie doesn't doesn't do the thing that I'm describing.
She'll be like, Nick, there's a bug. Can you please kill it?

Speaker 3 And she'll be like, yes, of course. What Kat did was this, like, a full, she acted like a three-year-old.
I mean, that's baby talk. You know, like women acting like they're like six.

Speaker 1 I mean, I, I mean, I'm too kind of judgmental. So

Speaker 5 I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 It started with like her having a lot of people. Whatever it is, it's like an overreaction and a complete meltdown, like a six-year-old.

Speaker 3 Like there's, and I'm, and like Dale, acts of service is my love language. There's nothing I enjoy more than taking care of my wife and child.

Speaker 3 And as a young man, a recurring fantasy that I would have, I would like fantasize about my future wife, which is now Natalie. And I would fantasize that I would be going out with my boys.

Speaker 3 like to like the big game or whatever. And then and then she would get sick and I would say, guys, I'm sorry.
I can't go to the big game. I have to go take care of my lady.

Speaker 3 There's nothing I enjoy more than like coming to the rescue of my person, but like not the total meltdown of like a six-year-old where like sometimes river like she just gets mad and she does and and no matter what we offer her it's just like she's just mad because she can't re she can't self-regulate like at all because she's a year and a half and like when when i've had girlfriends who give that energy where it's just like like cat did the other night there needs to be some kind of self-regulation You can freak out.

Speaker 3 You can say you don't like it. But when you have a total meltdown over something that like any adult should be able to manage, it's an ick you have to swallow

Speaker 3 no you have to swallow all your spit that's in your mouth

Speaker 1 it seems nick if i if i make ask nick you for a second

Speaker 1 it seems that it seems that your ick is less about the bug and more about just like emotionally immature women literally which is completely normal and follow-up question is that more of a pet peeve or a non-negotiable it's a pet peeve i also don't think that the two things are the same

Speaker 5 I feel like I'm a very emotionally mature person.

Speaker 5 You put me in that exact situation, I act exactly like Kat did.

Speaker 5 Maybe even worse.

Speaker 3 You would act like Kat did in that situation.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. I act like that worse.
I'll see a spider in my house and I will act like that.

Speaker 3 You will melt down to the point where, like, even if Louie needs your help, you won't be capable of stopping.

Speaker 5 Okay, well, that's different.

Speaker 5 I also don't know.

Speaker 3 She's a mother. To be honest, I don't know.
You're on your own, kid.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I just like, I can't deal with like you by you, like whoever it is, acting like an infant.

Speaker 5 I had to go to therapy because of my intense fear of bees.

Speaker 3 Oh, they could kill you.

Speaker 5 So can cockroaches, maybe.

Speaker 3 Where are these cockroaches? I don't know. But Mary, thank you for helping me articulate my ick.
It's really baby talk. Okay.
It's like the whole like.

Speaker 3 Second ick, we'll get to it when we cover all real hospitals of OC, having to like ask people to not serve your partner anymore because they can't like because of how they're acting with overconsumption, absolute disgusting ick.

Speaker 3 Like when Eddie had to be like, Please don't serve Tamara.

Speaker 3 Like, oh God, if I had to do that for you, like, one of the things I'm so grateful when it comes to Natalie is that one, she's just not a big drinker.

Speaker 3 And if I've seen Natalie drunk once in my life, wish it was more.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm not stopping.

Speaker 3 No, but being in public and just being being like, like, just kind of a sloppy mess because

Speaker 1 I accidentally got a little too drunk this weekend and I can't stop thinking about it because I like I wasn't drunk enough that I like really embarrassed myself.

Speaker 1 But it was like when I was young, a little bit younger, never experienced anxiety. I was like, you know what? They get what they get.

Speaker 1 But now I'm at the age where when I go out, I like meet some new people and some of them are cool and hot.

Speaker 1 And then I accidentally drank three what I thought were normal seltters, but they were like 8% soju like drinks. And then I was like, oh, fuck.
I don't know what I said to these people.

Speaker 3 Mary, let me ask you this because here's the big difference in that. Like when you get a little too drunk, are you mindful enough to be like, I'm a little too drunk?

Speaker 3 And if a friend says, hey, Mayor, check it in. Are you okay? Are you like, I don't know, I might be too drunk.
Are you like, no, don't tell me I'm not too drunk. Give me another alcohol.

Speaker 3 Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 Are you like, no, I'm, I'm a little bit in between where I'm like, I think I'm fine.

Speaker 1 But then obviously that's cute.

Speaker 3 That's a little adorable.

Speaker 1 That's like, I'm a fun, like, I'm fun when I'm drunk. I'm never like belligerent.
I'm always just like, I'm goofy and I like am clumsy by nature in general. And that just escalates when I'm drunk.

Speaker 1 And I'm always just like, my shoes are too big for me.

Speaker 3 Like, that's what you're doing. Yeah, it's the don't tell me what to do.
Give me another people. No, that's not me.

Speaker 1 My, my, my best friend was like, I think we should go. And then took me directly to an IHOP.
And And then as we sat down, I was like, this is the best decision you've ever made for me.

Speaker 5 Which I think this coincides with like men who get too drunk and are just like very loud drunks. I think that's like the thing, you know.

Speaker 3 Well, I know who has a lot of icks.

Speaker 5 Well, I just wanted to say the ick that you gave me last night.

Speaker 3 Oh, yes. Tell us.
Every day.

Speaker 5 It's not love if it's not icky.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 No, last night. Well, our AC went out

Speaker 5 in like Rivers' room.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 And so it was 80 degrees in her room. And I was like, she can't sleep in this.
Like for like, she's wearing a, you know, she's wearing a sleep sack.

Speaker 5 Nick was like, I grew up with no AC. I'm, you and I turned out.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 5 And I'm like, okay, well, not this job.

Speaker 3 Because like Nally is like, she has to sleep with us. She's going to die.
It was 80 degrees.

Speaker 5 Okay. So she, I put her in our bed to go to sleep.
And it's like, obviously, we're, it's, that's not the routine, you know, like we're not in her chair. We're not rocking.
We don't have her books.

Speaker 5 Like it's a different routines. It took her a little bit longer to fall asleep.
And then I almost had her. And here comes Nick with his big ass flashlight coming into the bedroom.

Speaker 5 I like bring the blanket oat.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think her sandbag moves or something.

Speaker 5 I love that she was chasing it, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she wasn't stopping.

Speaker 5 She was just like, and so then I went downstairs.

Speaker 1 You guys, we should get one of those little, we should, we should start putting in, instead of just cutting this out, we should just start putting in little like technical difficulties.

Speaker 3 Honestly, I'm fine with keeping it in. That would be cute.

Speaker 1 Are you experiencing minor technical difficulties?

Speaker 5 I feel like, could y'all hear me with that?

Speaker 3 Or I feel like I was doing pretty good with my difficulty. You were definitely fading away.
I was fading. Okay.

Speaker 5 Anyways, well, moral of the story is that I almost had River asleep. And then here comes Nick with his flashlight.
And I put the blanket over River's face. And my hand is like, don't come any closer.

Speaker 5 Like, turn around. She's not there yet.
He doesn't see it. He walks like all the way over to the side of the bed with the flashlight pointing at us.
And it woke her up.

Speaker 5 And I was like, I could kill him.

Speaker 3 How is that an ick?

Speaker 5 Because it made me honestly be like,

Speaker 3 he's just got.

Speaker 3 Should we just take a second? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Listeners. We're going to.
Wait a second. Why are you continuing the combo?

Speaker 3 I thought you. These light covers don't slip on anymore.
It just crushes the phone. Anyway, while I fix this, you know who has a lot of ick.

Speaker 3 Monica Monica Garcia is about to join us, so let's bring her up. Watch us ask her.
I'm sure she has a lot of ex that she wants to share with us.

Speaker 3 Watch us ask her and her be like, I really don't have any.

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Speaker 3 Monica, welcome back to the show. Always great to talk with you.

Speaker 6 Hi. I'm so, so excited to be here with you guys.

Speaker 3 We've missed you. We missed you.
We're excited to have you.

Speaker 3 How are you?

Speaker 6 I'm good.

Speaker 3 How's motherhood?

Speaker 6 I'm exhausted. Yeah.
We're just not sleeping and we're leaking and pumping and

Speaker 6 we're just in the trenches over here.

Speaker 3 Well, if I may, you look refreshed. You look great.

Speaker 3 You don't look tired at all.

Speaker 5 We can't see the melt coming out of your titties.

Speaker 6 I know. I'm like, let me just.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's sweatpants from the waist down for sure.

Speaker 3 It's so crazy thinking about your daughter's five months old now because I just very much remember the first time you were on our show when you were in our studio. That was so long ago.

Speaker 3 So much has happened. Obviously, you know, sadly, and we certainly know what it's like.
You did experience a miscarriage from that announcement, but obviously you have a wonderful baby daughter now.

Speaker 3 But it's just more like how time, Nellie and I were talking about this yesterday. There's, it's weird how like some things in your life feel like it happened yesterday.

Speaker 3 And then there are other things where you're like, that was five months ago. It feels like three years, you know, like it could be like two different things.

Speaker 3 And it's just weird how like some things just, yeah, like, like, I don't know, like time just moves in a weird, funky way with certain events in your life.

Speaker 6 No, it's so weird. Cause when I think about it, I'm like, no, I just told you guys like five months ago or whatever, but really it was.
It was through that whole miscarriage, the whole pregnancy.

Speaker 6 And now she, like, it doesn't feel like it's been that long at all.

Speaker 3 Well, we're excited to have you on, obviously, because we want to talk some housewives with you. But before we get into some housewives, you also watched Love Island, yes?

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 3 Yes. Obviously, the reunion is tonight.
We haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 3 You know, everyone listening, I'm sure many people have had, but have you been seeing all the unfollowing that's going on online with some of the cast?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I actually, this morning I just saw Iris and followed Pepe and then Amaya and Brian and all these people. And I, it's been wild to see this group versus, you know,

Speaker 6 the infamous season sixers.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, it's nuts. Cause even when they, did you see the interviews that they did? And the tension was so thick when they were all in the room together.
It was like awkward.

Speaker 6 And you could tell Huda just stood there, sat there the whole time.

Speaker 5 Like, there must must have been obviously, because I feel like they did all that press after the reunion. So, I feel like some, like, this reunion must be batshit crazy.

Speaker 3 I think it's just straight up all ego, you know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think you can tell.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, but also, Hannah unfollowed Pepe, and Hannah and Iris have been like pretty close.

Speaker 3 Has Pepe unfollowed Iris, or does he still follow Iris? He unfollowed her now.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they all, and Amaya unfollowed Pepe, and all this. I mean, it's just like, it's also wild that we live in a time time that that's how we can tell that how serious

Speaker 5 if they unfollow each other it's so true because it's crazy that people there are people who watch that stuff you know because it's not like you get notified that iris has unfollowed pepe it's like something you have to actively go and look at yeah what makes anyone even if it's like obviously they have millions of followers but what makes anyone go wait is do you think iris is following pepe

Speaker 5 we should check like right you're just laying in bed you're like let me check it's just saying people who are, and I, there's kind of a little bit of a movement going on right now to like bring them to light, but it's the people, what are they calling them?

Speaker 5 I'm blanking on what they're calling them, but it's the people who say, like, someone will post a video being like, oh, I love oranges and here's why.

Speaker 5 And then you'll get comments being like, but what about bananas? Bananas are so much better than oranges. And it's like, what is in your brain that makes you feel like you needed to do that?

Speaker 3 Like, why are you defending that?

Speaker 6 That's my comment section.

Speaker 3 That's literally my comment section.

Speaker 3 So you know exactly what I'm talking about? Do you?

Speaker 3 It is crazy that it only took one season for the cast of Love Island to turn into maniacal egomaniacs.

Speaker 6 It's, it's been pretty intense to watch. I feel,

Speaker 6 I feel like, I don't, do you guys think it's because of what happened with season six that they just

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I honestly feel like it's more of what happened after because I feel like they got out, they realized, you know, who had how many followers, who was more loved, who was more, and then it just like all went to their head.

Speaker 3 Well, it's that classic case of the reality TV star, you know, kind of trajectory. You know, like right now, Love Island, USA is the hottest ticket in town when it comes to reality TV.

Speaker 3 Back in the day, it used to be The Bachelor, right? And yes.

Speaker 3 And if you were The Bachelor or The Bachelorette or one of the few stars from that season, for a brief period following the show, you were getting A-list treatment, right?

Speaker 3 You were being invited to A-list parties. Literal A-listers would be sliding into your DMs, you know, and just

Speaker 3 because they're just fascinated with you.

Speaker 3 And, you know, one thing that always helped me is I always had the awareness that this is, this isn't real. This is temporary.
They don't actually like me. I'm just kind of a freak show to them.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't want to hang out with me. They just want to interrogate me, but it fades so fast.

Speaker 3 And then, and then they become the classic reality TV star, which is too famous to get a real job and not famous enough to make a living. Like, all these people, like, right,

Speaker 3 but especially like the young people, like, you're ear five, Maddie, you're gonna, you're gonna be, you know what I'm saying? But it's like,

Speaker 3 yeah, they're like, they're, they're getting invited to all, like, they're doing interviews with GQ magazine, and like, they're getting

Speaker 3 amazing experiences.

Speaker 3 And like, the ones who don't let it get to their head and are able to ride it out and kind of have that awareness that like this is like a moment, a moment they should enjoy and have some fun with.

Speaker 3 But like,

Speaker 3 they're not Ryan Gosling. They're not, you know, like they're not.
Taylor Swift. Like they're getting that level of treatment right now.

Speaker 3 Hell, more people are talking about them than are talking about Taylor Swift maybe in this moment.

Speaker 3 But like they're, they're still not famous for like anything other than being on a TV show and being messy. And like, there's going to be a whole new cast next year.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And the ones that are able to like have that like reality and like figure out what their thing is are the ones who are going to have longevity because they all have to figure out their thing.

Speaker 3 Like, what are they going to be known for outside? of drinking warm milk in a, in a bathing suit.

Speaker 6 It's true. No, you're 100% right.
And I know that once you're in it, you totally get it. And I can see that you get it.
And Andy Cohen one time said, Don't believe any of it.

Speaker 6 The love, don't believe it. The hate, don't believe it.
Because it is, it's true.

Speaker 6 A lot of people are sometimes just fascinated with and joining in on whatever that hot subject is or whatever that trend is, or they're in the moment with you.

Speaker 6 But the second it's gone, they're gone too. You know, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 Well, it'll be interesting to see.

Speaker 3 I will say, though, I mean, RIP, Pepe, and Brian, because, like, God bless them, they seem like nice men, but without the women by their side, their value just absolutely plummets.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's so, it's pretty fascinating to watch, right? We end up being like the people we're talking about because we're like, holy cow. Like, it really is true.
I mean, it's the same thing.

Speaker 6 When Amaya won, he wouldn't have won if he wasn't on Amaya's arm. Right.
You know what I mean? Everybody knows that. But yeah, it's, it's so crazy to see the stock value.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it'll be interesting if we ever do get to hear why there was an unfollow there's speculation about infidelity with it comes to the iris and pepe i think many of us are just kind of caught off guard with the whole brian and a maya and i don't it can't be a coincidence that it happened right after the unfollow of iris and pepe it's giving like okay well if they did it now i guess it's cool because there's always a fear of like i don't know like i don't want people to know like reality tv relationships always happen before you hear about them because there's like you know it's just like oh the gravy train do i want to say good you know it's just like should we just fake it you know like wondered that like with the bachelor too i'm oh yeah i mean like yeah how do you guys detox i mean usually it's like a good month like you know you know it's really over yeah some more than others i mean like when obviously the janae and kenny some people move really fast when like there's

Speaker 3 a huge betrayal and think what matt james and rachel matt james and rachel when there's like a big betrayal and things like that some people move fast But when it's just more like, hey, I just like, uh, I don't know, I don't like you and you don't like me.

Speaker 3 And like, maybe this, we're not a couple, but no one's really like, you just realize that you're just, you don't, you don't want to be together.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Well, and a lot of people say like, okay, I don't really buy into this.
You guys are doing it just to like milk. the moment.
A lot of people were saying that with Nick and Olandria.

Speaker 6 They were like, is this real? Is this genuine? Or is he just, are they just?

Speaker 5 I just didn't believe that she

Speaker 5 was into him.

Speaker 3 I know, right yeah so everyone's like or did they just make a pact but now they do look so in love more in love than our other couples who clearly didn't make it and they're so cute even for them it's tough to know what's real if you had if someone was like here's three million dollars to date Like no one wants to think that they would do that and fake it.

Speaker 3 Right. And like, there's clearly a mutual respect between these two.
They're both hotties. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think the world thinks that Alandria could literally get any guy that she wanted. Like any, any superstar athlete, any famous guy, like who, whoever, you know, like.
It's true.

Speaker 3 You know, and Nick, you know, like he could, he could definitely get a lot of, like, you know, I'm sure his DMs are popping. You know what I'm saying? Like.

Speaker 6 It's true. Alandria is.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 3 But like, but like you're going to convince yourself there's, you know, and you know what? They literally, they could be the most in love couple for all we know. Like maybe, maybe they'll get married.

Speaker 3 It would be a beautiful story, but like, it's, it's really hard to know, even for yourself, what's real because, like, the, it's just the opportunities that are in front of these people are, are literally unreal and unbelievable and surreal.

Speaker 3 And it's hard to, it's hard to say no to a, a, a lottery together.

Speaker 6 No, you could, you could totally see them being like, you know what, let's just ride this out. It benefits you, it benefits me.
We like each other. Like, we're at least friends.

Speaker 6 So let's just have, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 5 Well, we will be covering the Love Island Reunion on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. But did you watch the Real Housewives of Orange County?

Speaker 6 I, you guys,

Speaker 6 I don't even know what the, and my DMs are blowing up with

Speaker 6 people's theories and thoughts on this. This has been one of the hardest

Speaker 6 storylines. I don't, I don't even know to follow.
Oh my God.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much for saying that, Monica. I literally wrote to the team yesterday.

Speaker 3 I'm like, I re-watched the last scene of the episode and I'm like, what the fuck is like, what, what the fuck is going on? Who's met it, who, and why?

Speaker 3 Thankfully, we have Mary here who did some little research. She put together an org chart.

Speaker 3 She, I'm still a little confused, but Mary and Sweetboy Justin are going to try to bring all of us, you, Monica, me, our audience.

Speaker 3 If you are confused, here is our best attempt at trying to unconfuse everyone that seems to start with the naked wasted party, which 17 years ago.

Speaker 3 Like, I mean, honestly, that picture of Gretchen, Mary, that you sent me, I was like, who, who is that?

Speaker 1 What do you mean? And, and, and we'll see it in, we'll see it in this part.

Speaker 3 All right, well, take it away, Mary.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I

Speaker 1 understand that many people, Nick Vial, many others have been so confused by whatever the hell is going on with Katie and Gretchen.

Speaker 1 And so I took it upon myself to do my best to lay out the facts and figures and create a timeline. I hope it's correct.
Preference, I did my best.

Speaker 3 The Katie slash Gretchen beef

Speaker 3 timeline. Featuring Tamra and Jen and also kind of Vicky.

Speaker 6 We need this.

Speaker 1 We need this. Vicki does make an appearance.
Okay, so this starts naked wasted. Here's a quick history.
So this is circa 2008, 2009. Okay, so Tamara started taking etiquette classes.

Speaker 1 So she wanted to host a classy party where her and Vicki devised a plan to get Gretchen, quote, naked-waisted because they hate her.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 So Gretchen does this and she gets like slosherino drunk. Like drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk.

Speaker 1 And also at the same time, Ryan, who at the time was 22, Tamra's son, he's really trying to hook up with Gretchen. It's really uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 How old is Tamra's son now?

Speaker 1 At like 17 years old now. I don't, Nick, I didn't know I would have to do math for this investigation.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's a fucking adult.

Speaker 1 But at the time, he was like 22, 23, and Gretchen was like an adult.

Speaker 3 Who had a

Speaker 3 dying husband? Yes, her dying husband.

Speaker 5 Also, at the same time. There's nothing wrong with being 22 years old and trying to hook up with someone older.

Speaker 3 Let's run. No, no, no, no.
There's no problem with that at all.

Speaker 6 I was going to say, there's no problem with that at all.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. No, that's a full

Speaker 3 adult. That's a man.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but the whole scenario here is really sorted because it's like Tamara's pushing her son onto drunk Gretchen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gretchen is like, Gretchen is not in a place to make any sort of consenting decisions. Also, at the same time, Gretchen's fiancé is in the hospital battling cancer.
Dying. So that's in dying.

Speaker 3 Also, Ryan just got his bar license. So he's there bartending.
Oh, okay. So it's like,

Speaker 5 oh, so he's like maybe over serving her.

Speaker 3 It's getting her best.

Speaker 5 It's getting dark. It's getting gross.
Got it again.

Speaker 1 Yes. And this is all a plan from Tamra and Vicki to get, because they want to get the dark side of Gretchen out.
So it's really dark and gross overall.

Speaker 1 And Gretchen, this is important for our investigation later. She stays, according to Tamara, she stays the night at Tamara's house.

Speaker 3 Has anyone refuted that? You'll see. Not that I'm.
Oh,

Speaker 1 see, fast forward to last fall.

Speaker 3 Next slide.

Speaker 1 Okay, so now we have the dinner at Mashros. This is, quote, last fall.
All right. We have Gretchen, we have Katie, we have Jen, we have the husbands, and they're all getting dinner.

Speaker 1 Naked Wasted is brought up apparently, allegedly, out of nowhere by Gretchen. Okay.

Speaker 1 Then

Speaker 1 bloggers are told that Gretchen said at this dinner she was drugged by Tamra.

Speaker 3 So there have been articles written by the bloggers that Tamra roofied Gretchen.

Speaker 5 I mean, according to the episode, nothing was published.

Speaker 3 So you can't go out and find it.

Speaker 5 The bloggers member, Tamara, was like, bloggers are coming to me and saying they have this story.

Speaker 5 No one published anything. And that was Gretchen's whole point of being like, then why the fuck are we still talking about it? If like the bloggers thought it was a lie, it is a lie.

Speaker 5 You think it's a lie.

Speaker 3 Our only source about what the bloggers know or don't know is coming from Katie.

Speaker 6 Or Tamara, because Tamara's saying that the bloggers are telling her, right?

Speaker 1 We have Katie's point of view on this, which is: Gretchen said she went home from naked wasted and woke up sick.

Speaker 1 She then went to the hospital, got a toxicology report, and the hospital people, the doctors, found drugs in her system. Which

Speaker 3 kind of drugs, because alcohol is a drug.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. It's never clarified.
Katie denies ever leaking this to a blogger. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next slide.
Now we have Jen's point of view. Gretchen, according to Jen, at this dinner, Gretchen just said she woke up really sick after naked wasted.
She never said she was roofied.

Speaker 1 And Katie must have lied and told the blogger now we have gretchen's point of view she technically never flat out denies that she said this except for one time she's talking to tamara and says hell to the no i didn't say that she is just looking for who to blame and but it gets really confusing because at first

Speaker 5 she was like yes i went to the hospital but then she said i never went to the hospital and what's also weird about that is that she says to tamara yes like the next day I woke up so sick and I went to the hospital.

Speaker 5 And then in her interview, she's like,

Speaker 3 I never went to the hospital. No, I never did that.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then here's where things get interesting.
We have Katie's smoking gun. Matt, Katie's husband, claims Slade, we know Slade, Gretchen's partner.

Speaker 1 Slade called him to say, quote, tell Katie to say Gretchen never said it. This is after the Mastro's dinner.

Speaker 1 AKA, according to Katie, in an amazing moment of ad living, she said, hold the line and protect Gretchen.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is why Katie's been backtracking because, according to Katie, Gretchen is caught in a lie of embellishment. And further,

Speaker 1 if we're synthesizing this information currently, Katie is implying that the only other person who knew this information is, next slide, please, Jen Pedrante.

Speaker 1 And Katie is implying that Jen leaked the story to Kiki, the blogger.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Jeez. Where does this leave us?

Speaker 1 With one question.

Speaker 3 This is the photo I was talking about.

Speaker 1 This is from the Naked Wasted episode. Isn't that crazy? Okay, with one question.
Did Gretchen go to the hospital after Naked Wasted?

Speaker 1 If we remember previous information presented during this investigation, it does so happen that Gretchen spent the night at Tamara's house,

Speaker 1 which means that the only person who knows if Gretchen actually went to the hospital is Tamara, which means Tamra Judge is the only person that could prove if Gretchen is caught in a lie or not.

Speaker 1 Maryam Cosby could also maybe use her hospital smelling powers, but that's neither here nor there. Okay.
Also, who told the blogger this?

Speaker 1 Because according to Jen Bedrante herself, if Gretchen did in fact say this, why would Katie go and say this to a blogger? Which means Jen probably leaked it. That's my that is my case close.

Speaker 5 But we did have my take on this investigation. Come out and say that Katie had like messaged her or something and saying like

Speaker 5 she she was a big fan and like kind of like was chasing who's a fan of who

Speaker 5 Katie's fan of Kiki yeah Kiki went on her page and saw follow back so Katie was following Kiki when Katie was announced as a new housewife Kiki like was like oh who's this new housewife let me go follow her went to her page saw follow back and was like oh my god she already follows me so she followed her back and then got a DM from Katie saying I'm so honored that Kiki Monique followed her back.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 5 So she's like accusing her of like needing clout. And Kiki was like, I'm, I host a show with the biggest housewife star.

Speaker 5 I don't need like, yeah. She's like, I don't need Katie second season.

Speaker 3 Well, that I was just about to say, like, I don't know. I'm curious what you think, Monica.
Like,

Speaker 3 what defines blogger status or not? In my.

Speaker 6 You mean journalism?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like in my

Speaker 3 explanation, we don't, bloggers don't really exist. It's not part of our universe.
We just call them trolls or like psycho super fans. Like

Speaker 3 Kiki Monique, to Kiki's point, like I've been on her show with Dorinda. Like, I don't know her backstory.
I don't know her as a blogger.

Speaker 3 Like, I know her as someone who has a working relationship with an iconic housewife. And I don't, I don't see Kiki as a blogger, but maybe she does operate as a blogger.

Speaker 3 I am curious, Monica, what is like, what is the relationship between Bravo celebrity and blogger? Is that something that the Bravo universe supports even?

Speaker 3 And like, because it seems to be a part of their

Speaker 3 business model, like almost as if like from the get, bloggers were a part of how people interact. And like

Speaker 3 more and more, you know, housewife franchises are

Speaker 3 freely and openly talking about bloggers. And the only reason Bravo would do that is if they like don't mind, like Batch Found Nation would never, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 And I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, shouldn't, but like they just don't, they wouldn't. And is that is that is that like an unspoken reality or rule in Bravo Nation?

Speaker 3 Like, what is that relationship between star and

Speaker 3 blogger in the Bravo world?

Speaker 6 No, so first off, I do want to say I have met Kiki in person

Speaker 6 and she

Speaker 6 is the kindest

Speaker 6 soul. She was so sweet.
She's always been so great. And I have to agree with you 100%.

Speaker 6 I don't consider her a blogger. I do not consider her a blogger.
I do think that she is in a different category, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 Yeah, if you're like publicly cool and like

Speaker 3 and you work with an actual housewife. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like I don't think you're a blogger.

Speaker 3 I don't think you're a blogger. Because to me, blogger implies someone who

Speaker 3 may talk to housewives and get leaked

Speaker 3 information, but they are they are essentially super fans who are so like obsessed and tapped in that, and they platform a lot of rumors.

Speaker 3 And that's why I think it's different because, like, once you're public facing, like Kiki is and has a show, like, you don't just get to like, you get held accountable for the things you say a little bit more.

Speaker 3 As a blogger, a lot of these bloggers are anonymous.

Speaker 6 Like, you know, I was just going to say that.

Speaker 3 You know, like they can kind of, they can say whatever they want. They can put out whatever rumor they want.
And it doesn't really matter if it holds water or not. They're not really held accountable.

Speaker 3 But like, Kiki, like if Kiki is lying,

Speaker 3 she's going to be held to account. So it's not as, you know, so she's, I'm assuming, a lot more careful and a lot more credible because of her relationship with Dorinda.

Speaker 6 I was literally just going to say that, Nick. The fact that Kiki shows her face alone gets her on a different level, right? Some of the biggest pages in the Bravo universe, like

Speaker 6 this is an example. This page hates me.
So this is why they come to mind.

Speaker 6 But Queens of bravo is a huge blogger page in the bravo world no one knows who the hell runs it no one has any idea and this is why i think partly why reality vantes was such a big deal right because it actually took a page which was like a blogger page with no face holy shit we're finally seeing a face of one of these pages and just like you said most of them are anonymous i do think you know tamara she has a huge, what some people would say is a blogger page, right?

Speaker 6 Like, she reports on housewives, she reports on

Speaker 6 people and what they're doing. She reports on the gossip.

Speaker 6 Is that considered a blogger page? Some people say yes. I don't consider that a blogger page, but do you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 Like, a lot of the fans are like, she's mad about people talking to bloggers while being a blogger.

Speaker 6 So it's just kind of all of this weird, mixed, convoluted, very gray area with housewives and bloggers. I do think they are used a lot to push the shows.
I do.

Speaker 6 And that's just a fact. A lot of the, you know, inside information or sneak peeks or tips or whatever always come from these anonymous blogger pages.

Speaker 6 And if anyone tells you housewives don't talk to bloggers, that is a lie. Every housewife talks, like it's, it's such a joke, like, to be so upset at Katie for talking to a blogger.

Speaker 6 Are you really going to sit and say you've never communicated with one of these pages ever in your life or pushed a little something, something to get them to report? Like, suck.

Speaker 5 I mean, the fact that Gina was able to just like dial up whoever this journalist was and be like,

Speaker 5 hey, what's the story?

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 1 Also, didn't, didn't like, in like early days of housewives, like housewives used to have their own blogs.

Speaker 1 right yeah yeah yeah so it's kind of how like the franchise like kind of started with like watch what happens live started as andy's blog right i think so is that true that's amazing if that's true i didn't know that

Speaker 3 i think i believe i saw a youtube video about this one i think it really comes down to whether they're like anonymous or not this is why i don't think tamara's is a blog because it's just like yeah if she's if she puts out something her name's on it and so if she's putting out

Speaker 3 and it's the rumor mill it's like it's the false accusations and like some of you know some of the rumors that have been put out about people are a little messy to like flat out disgusting and and potentially life ruining yeah the fact that like no one knows who these people are and you can say whatever the fuck you want is yep i don't know i think that's kind of up and messed up and like if you want to if you want to put your name on something and put out a rumor fine like you can be held accountable and you will have to pay the consequences if you're putting out stuff that can actually affect people's life that's inaccurate.

Speaker 3 But like, because

Speaker 3 and I think, yeah, actually, like, I feel like that's the big distinction.

Speaker 6 100%. I totally agree.
Because then at that point, you could be anyone behind the keyboard. They don't know.
Right. And that was the whole thing with Reality Vantiste.

Speaker 6 That's the whole thing with, you know, whatever. But I don't think throwing Kiki or even Tamara in that group is fair because they are out there.
They are their brand. They're literally their brand.

Speaker 6 So it's not the same thing.

Speaker 3 I got got to give Tammer credit, I mean, for hating someone as much as he hates Gretchen for 18 years. That's

Speaker 3 a lot of people hate somebody.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's true. That's true.

Speaker 6 Pull it off with Heather.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 You don't think you and Heather could ever make up?

Speaker 6 Look, I think that Lisa Barlow and I could make up before Heather Gay and I.

Speaker 3 Really?

Speaker 3 That makes me sad because I like Heather.

Speaker 6 You do?

Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean, I've only met her once briefly.
She kind of, she did flake on me and kind of lie. That's okay.
I understand the situation she was in. Whatever.
It's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 6 Get past it. I have dealt with enough in my family to where I can work past anything, but she is the one refusing.
So it's fine.

Speaker 5 Is she the only reason why you can't come back to Salt Lake City?

Speaker 6 If you ask me, yes.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 6 But that's my opinion as camera.

Speaker 3 Do you still have a relationship with the Bravo execs? Are you in communication? Is there ever,

Speaker 3 I feel like I ask you this every time you come on, but like, I just feel like you're a, I feel like you're a real talent sitting on the sidelines waiting to be. Oh, thank you.

Speaker 6 Everyone seems to think that the big master plan is for them to bring me and Jen back at the same time. I don't know if they would ever, if they would do that, though.
That's a big, that's a big move.

Speaker 1 Would you do that? Would you come back with Jen?

Speaker 6 I've got to, I've got to have someone in my corner. It can't be every, all of them against me again.
I can't go through that again. That was

Speaker 3 fair.

Speaker 6 So if they could at least give me one person,

Speaker 6 I'd be fine.

Speaker 6 But I can't, I don't want to go through fighting Jen Shaw and Heather Gay and everyone else all over again.

Speaker 1 But Jen Shaw would be quote-unquote healed from being in prison.

Speaker 6 They're already talking to her and they've already said they'd film with her again. So that's why I'm like, I need another person.

Speaker 6 I just, I wouldn't want to be the lone wolf again.

Speaker 5 You don't feel like Whitney is?

Speaker 6 I love Whitney. I love Justin, but I don't talk to her.
She's very,

Speaker 6 you know, her and Heather are very close. So I don't, I don't know if she, if she would be open to that.
I mean, obviously I love Mary, but I feel like.

Speaker 6 Oh, I feel like I would still.

Speaker 3 I forget what

Speaker 3 happened with you and Heather in her salon? Like, who sued who?

Speaker 6 My God.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's so stupid. That was the stupidest thing.
So it was from like six years ago, and

Speaker 6 she didn't even know about it. I had dealt with it in office, but my ex-best friend told her about it.
And so six years later, she sues me for $2,000

Speaker 6 right before the Statue of Limitations

Speaker 6 was up.

Speaker 6 And so

Speaker 6 I

Speaker 6 counter sued

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 I have to be careful what I say because it's, we're actually still in the middle of it.

Speaker 3 What? Oh my God. For $2,000.
Oh my God.

Speaker 6 Two grand. I know.

Speaker 3 Because I spent more money on lawyers.

Speaker 6 100%. Yeah.
In hindsight, I will say I should have just paid her because I've paid so much. more now to attorneys.

Speaker 6 But it was like the principal because I didn't just stiff her. I didn't.
I had to go and pay another place over $3,000 to fix what had been done.

Speaker 3 The principal is so costly.

Speaker 6 I know. I know.
It's funny because, you know, lesson learned when you get into this world, and sometimes it is, it's just easier to just instead of dealing with all of you.

Speaker 3 People I know who ride for Heather

Speaker 3 don't trust you. What's the biggest lie you've ever told?

Speaker 6 Biggest lie I've ever told was my affair with my brother-in-law

Speaker 3 that was the biggest lie it's weird because like i don't know you that well monica and so i you know i'm not in a position to vouch for you like my experience with you have been lovely and i think i have a hard time and i'm sure you know we everyone's lied and whatever you know yeah everyone

Speaker 3 you know and again like the affair with your brother-in-law not cool no but you have also owned some terrible things you've done and it's as hard for me to like yeah I don't know.

Speaker 5 What was your reaction to seeing the trailer?

Speaker 6 Okay, so I actually just talked about this.

Speaker 6 I felt like it was giving very much a season four rehearsed monologue, here we are again situation because at the end of the trailer, you see Heather and she says, walk the fuck.

Speaker 3 over

Speaker 6 and it was just exactly like pack your bags and go.

Speaker 6 And I'm just like, here we go again. You know, it's just been like copy, paste, copy, paste.
It's just, yeah, one trick pony.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the

Speaker 1 Lisa John Barlow mystery that's being teased?

Speaker 6 You guys, the way I just bit my tongue. Okay, that is how I know I'm growing.

Speaker 6 That is, I'm in my mom era because I just bit my tongue so hard for what I really wanted to say about that.

Speaker 3 Don't bite it.

Speaker 5 I'm bite it.

Speaker 6 I know.

Speaker 6 You know, if Lisa

Speaker 6 ever actually showed her real life,

Speaker 6 it would be much more entertaining than

Speaker 6 what we are given. And

Speaker 6 Bronwyn actually did hint to some of it in the trailer. And I think people would be floored if they knew how many lawsuits some people have.
That's why I'm like, a $2,000 lawsuit. Get out of here.

Speaker 6 Like, people are literally actually dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawsuits, but SEC filing.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yes. And I know some of the people.
So it's just, it's wild to see from my point of view, you know.

Speaker 3 Monica, do you watch football at all?

Speaker 6 I love football.

Speaker 3 Who's your team?

Speaker 6 I have to say New England Patriots because I'm from Boston. Okay.

Speaker 6 But I actually love the Denver Broncos. Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, the NFL season is about to kick off. Are you excited about the Patriots season or the Broncos? Like, who do you fuck with more when they play each other?

Speaker 6 Okay, if it's Broncos in New England, it's New England all day for sure. I have to stay true to my Bostonian roots with that.

Speaker 6 I would probably be kicked out of the state if I ever step foot in there again if I didn't stand behind the New England Patriots.

Speaker 3 If you were if you were a football player,

Speaker 3 what position do you think you would play?

Speaker 6 Ooh.

Speaker 6 Can I be the coach?

Speaker 6 I want to be the coach.

Speaker 3 See, now I was thinking more like maybe Jen Shaw would be the coach because her husband's like a literal coach.

Speaker 3 And she knows how to throw a flag or she knows how to throw things. You know what I'm saying? So she could throw the flag.

Speaker 6 Yes, I've had them thrown at me.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You know?

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 6 What position is good at dodging? Because then that would, I guess that would be mine.

Speaker 5 Or it could be Lisa Vanderpump because she likes to support aggressive men.

Speaker 3 okay you said it girl i'm i cannot believe okay this is opening a whole can of worrings but i cannot believe jax taylor was able to continue filming see i was thinking like jax taylor could be good but he's such a big red flag uh yeah but then actually the thing is though he's really good at blocking people he is so good he's got me blocked

Speaker 5 yeah blocked by jack oh are you blocked I feel, Monica, I feel like you would be in charge of tapes because you're good.

Speaker 3 You're good at recording.

Speaker 6 You and Brady may be like, play that, play that, play that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, play that.

Speaker 3 And unfortunately, I know you guys don't get along, but I do feel like Heather Gay would be pretty good because she does play through injuries. No,

Speaker 3 she does.

Speaker 6 But we would never know what really happened on the field because she would blame it on something else.

Speaker 3 At least she shows.

Speaker 1 But that's why we have you for running tape.

Speaker 3 I do also, I know it would be like controversial, but I think you're going to want Tom Sandoval because if you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Speaker 6 You know what? He,

Speaker 6 whatever with that, but he killed out on Traitors. I loved watching his season of Traitors.
It was so funny.

Speaker 5 Meredith Marks would be our defensive coordinator because she knows how to disengage the other teams.

Speaker 6 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Disengage.

Speaker 6 What is what would Mary be?

Speaker 1 Oh, Mary's just Mary's leading prayer before every single game. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Mary's leading prayer. Okay.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. That's that's good.
That would be perfect for her. He's the home team.

Speaker 1 But then we have Jen Shaw, who definitely knows how to like move chains in prison.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean?

Speaker 6 I can't believe the people that she's in there with. That's like a whole other subject.

Speaker 3 Tom Schwartz could be head of PR because if you know you're in a pickle, he'll show up and do the interview with you.

Speaker 6 True. That's true.

Speaker 3 It's true.

Speaker 3 I feel like they have a really good team. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a pretty solid team. Dylan Effren, probably your quarterback, though.
He looks the part. Yeah.
Not probably.

Speaker 3 100%.

Speaker 6 100%. And Lisa Barlow can be the cheerleader because if we ever need sexual favors, you know.

Speaker 3 There she is.

Speaker 3 We have Heather Dubreux as our referee. Oh.

Speaker 3 He's always been a referee. She's respectful to everyone and no one all at the same time.
All at the same time. Yep.

Speaker 1 And she looks really good in stripes.

Speaker 3 She does look good in stripes.

Speaker 5 Craig, I feel like we'd all, everyone would want Craig on his team because he knows how to get a ring or not.

Speaker 3 Hard to say.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Paige could do the uniforms.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.
100%.

Speaker 5 It would be very cool.

Speaker 3 Do you watch Miami much?

Speaker 6 What I will say about Miami is those were some of the nicest women that I met at Bravo Con. They were so sweet, so kind, especially Kiki.

Speaker 6 Kiki and I actually cried together. She was, she really resonated with my mother,

Speaker 6 the the situation with my mom. And

Speaker 6 yeah, I feel like if I went to another franchise, I would, I would probably go there because they're Latina and I feel like I could talk normal and it wouldn't be perceived as yelling.

Speaker 3 So yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 Well, did you watch the most recent episode of Miami?

Speaker 3 Perhaps?

Speaker 6 I did.

Speaker 6 There was a lot going on.

Speaker 5 There was a lot going on. If you didn't watch the last episode of The Real Housewives of Miami, here is your rapid recap.
Jodi won't stop texting Larsa, defending Lisa, which Larsa thinks is Delulu.

Speaker 5 Larsa also thinks Lisa is killing the vibe because she has to finalize her divorce. Adriana went to mass because she's an empath.
Lisa is taking notes.

Speaker 5 And if the girls hate this, they would hate Mary. Gertie and Julia kiss and makeup.
The girls all draw penises. Adriana.
is the sweet boy Justin of the group, has studied art history.

Speaker 5 Lisa unfollows Marcus and pigs fly. Stephanie doesn't want Lisa on the plane because she's ruined the environment.
Lisa now doesn't want to go to dinner.

Speaker 5 Gertie claims she is not a makeup artist, but still does Adriana's makeup for her. Lisa does, in fact, go to dinner two hours late.

Speaker 5 Alexia was engaged to a Spaniard who was the heir of Pepsi-Cola and still she chooses Todd. Adriana calls Kiki ratchet.
Kiki says Adriana is old in retaliation.

Speaker 5 Stephanie storms out because the girls ruined dinner again. Adriana joins her to babysit some kids because she's old.
Alexia is furious because she doesn't want anyone to know they're American.

Speaker 5 Lisa apologizes to the restaurant and promises drinks on the house, then trips. Overall, is Stephanie doing too much with her PJ seating arrangement?

Speaker 5 Find out next week on the Royal Housewives of Miami. And the answer is yes.
She's

Speaker 3 doing too much.

Speaker 5 She is doing too much.

Speaker 6 That was a beautiful recap.

Speaker 5 Thanks to Mika. Thanks very much.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Good job.

Speaker 5 Adriana,

Speaker 5 that dinner was,

Speaker 5 that was crazy. I feel like she threw out ratchet and then she was like, no, no, no, no, no.
Wait a second.

Speaker 3 That is not what I meant. That's a big thing.

Speaker 6 So she also wouldn't back down, though. She also, I mean, they all kept saying, just apologize, just she's like, I'm dual, I'm dueled.

Speaker 3 You know, and she was just, it wasn't apologizing.

Speaker 5 And then when Lisa is apologizing to the group, she's like, well, I have to go babysit someone's kids because I'm so old.

Speaker 1 It was like, well, it was nowhere.

Speaker 3 And whose kids? We're in Spain.

Speaker 5 I feel like what also was crazy was the little meeting that Julia and Marisol tried to have with lisa before the dinner and they're like you need to lock your phone up and she's like that was crazy no i have girls and they're like well jody can take care of them she's like what yeah that was wild too

Speaker 6 i actually like

Speaker 5 he's not their dad then they try to make that as like oh he doesn't love you enough to take care of your kids it's like that was a weird little

Speaker 3 i also love like that the taking notes is like the miami version of brittany bateman and you monica like recording without their knowledge.

Speaker 6 I thought the same exact thing. I was like, see, everybody does it.

Speaker 5 Everybody does it.

Speaker 3 Everyone is just a nervous. No one's memory is that good.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 6 Do you think that the private jet thing is bad?

Speaker 5 I do, because I kind of feel like it backs up what Alexia was saying last episode where she was kind of like, Stephanie is using this jet or using her money.

Speaker 5 And at first I was like, no, she seems generous. She seems like she's just like not used to being around a lot of girls.

Speaker 5 But I was like, for you to be so heated about something that didn't actually involve you. And then it's like, who are we going to put in the isolation corner?

Speaker 5 And it was like very much like, I am the king. I will tell you what we're doing.
And I was like, that's not a good look.

Speaker 5 And I was, I agreed with Marisol that I was like, we're doing too much here now.

Speaker 3 Well, what's the point of being rich if you can't use it?

Speaker 5 Punish people and the private jet.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think hopefully a lot of other things. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Monica, this has been so much fun. We're going to have to have you back again soon.

Speaker 3 Do you have anything you want to share, plug, or put out there for our audience?

Speaker 6 No, honestly, the only thing that I want to share is I appreciate you guys being so open and everything with what you guys are going through. And I admire it so much.
I know it's hard.

Speaker 6 And I think you are doing so much. for women by addressing it and coming out with it.
It's scary to do that.

Speaker 5 So thank you. I do.
I love you guys.

Speaker 3 We appreciate you saying that, Monica.

Speaker 3 It's so much fun, always. You brighten our day and our audience's day every time you join us.
So please come back. It's always a good time.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 Tonight, we are going to watch the Love Island Reunion, and we are going to talk about it on Thursday. We got some exciting guests for you to break it all down.

Speaker 3 Don't forget, tomorrow we have an amazing episode of Going Deeper with the Nader sisters. All four of them join us to premiere or preview their upcoming season.
Now streaming on Hulu Love Thy Nader.

Speaker 3 It's an epic show. You're not going to want to miss it.
It's a lot of fun. These women are stars.
Trust me on that. That is all coming up this week.
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 3 Thank you to our guest, Monica Garcia.

Speaker 5 Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 I think that's it. See you later.
Bye.