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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another episode of the Va Vos Reality Recap Edition.

I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife.

We are finally at the lake.

Or heaven.

Or heaven.

Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, we look like we're in heaven.

This is going to be our future studio.

Yes, we built a studio in the house that we built at the lake.

It's going to be green.

It's going to look very like, much like the LA one.

You're going to be like, oh my God, where are they?

Where are they?

Can't tell the difference.

Can't tell the difference, but we're making it work today.

And like every day, we're just trying to survive.

But it's really a dream to be finally here at the lake.

It's pretty much done.

It's like 90% done.

The outside isn't fully, you know, they're still like.

We were like, we don't care.

We're coming up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, like, what was your first reaction walking in that it's been so long?

You guys have been waiting for this forever.

Like, whoa,

exciting.

Take my breath away.

This is exactly what I picked out.

Well, like every day we had our parents like send us pictures because they have been kind of managing the project.

It's been weird because like we were up here for Christmas and we haven't been up here since.

And they basically left for Christmas and then they started construction like a few weeks later.

We haven't been back and then like it's a whole brand new house.

And so it's kind of trippy.

Yeah.

It's stunning.

It looks, it looks incredible.

Natalie, were you running around being like, oh my God, yes, this looks exactly how I thought.

Yeah, like last night after Nick, Nick was putting River down and I kind of just like walked around and opened all the drawers and looked at all like the, you know, like handles and pulls on the drawers and the cabinets and, you know, all the little details that I thought were just like, whatever, throw this in there.

And it's like, no, this is actually like every little piece matters, you know, and it's so it's they put some of the hardware in the kitchen this morning.

I don't know if you noticed, but they look really good.

Natalie did a lot of the like the interior design on all like the finer details, the cabinets, the hardware you know just the love that was all natalie i basically came up with the layout design so it was it was surreal for it to come together how does it feel to like kind of like be able to like walk into this like vision that you've had for so long it's well it's it's great now it's like you know today we're like moving in so today it's like now the vision of all the furniture that we've like yes all the mood boards and all the like ai mocking up photoshop whatever you know rug and couch on top of this with these side tables or those side tables.

Like now we're going to see all of that in real life, which is going to be crazy.

Someday we will share it all with y'all.

We don't know when, but soon.

We're going to enjoy it for a moment.

But we got to get this show on the rope because we do have to go move into our house and

really start anything.

We also have a jam, jam-packed episode.

Jam-packed episode.

As always, we got some great guests.

Chris Clemens returns to the show to talk some real housewives of Salt Lake City in that gout sucking dick.

It's wild and wacky.

It's fun.

It's with Chris Clemens.

He's here.

And after Chris, we have Alexia Nepola from the Real Housewives of Miami talking about this season, what's going on, what we can expect from the reunion and the finale, all your burning questions regarding Alexia and the rest of the women from The Real Housewives of Miami.

She answers those questions.

And then we have Madison Pettis with us, who is in the movie The Wrong Paris.

And if you are a Bachelor fan, I'm sure you have, you've probably already seen it streaming now on Netflix.

A movie about being on the Bachelor.

It's like a little Love Island, little Bachelor.

It's like a movie about reality TV.

Very meta for all of you reality TV fans out there.

Madison is with us to talk about that experience and so much more.

So lots to get into this episode, as always.

And if you haven't listened to the Going Deeper episode with Teresa Judice, it is explosive.

Explosive.

It's jaw-dropping.

It covers all of your questions.

Will she be back?

What's going on with her family?

Like, honestly, I mean, I really enjoyed that conversation with Teresa.

I didn't know what I thought about Teresa before we shot the episode, but I really enjoyed that conversation.

It really just made me see her in a new light, let's just say.

And I really enjoyed that conversation.

She's also on special forces with her daughter, Gia.

So we talk about that as well.

But we really get into the nitty-gritty about her entire career as a housewife, what's going on with her family.

You will not want to miss it.

We also had the premiere of the Golden Bachelor last night.

Mel Owen.

Owen?

Is it Owens?

Owen?

Doesn't matter.

Either way, he really shit on podcast last night.

I was really, you know, basically, if you haven't heard, The Golden Bachelor, it is a show about the golden years of one's life.

If you're a widow or a widower, for people in their early 60s, sometimes 70s, truly, I mean, what we love so much about season one of The Golden Bachelor is that, you know, truly, a lot of people do literally die of loneliness, right?

And this is a show that like reminds people for people of that age and for younger people that there there are a lot of wonderful people at this age level who still like have a lot to live for and still have a lot of ambitions and want to go out and find love and then they find this golden bachelor he's a former football player played at the pros he played for michigan he went on a football podcast and he was like yeah i only date young women

He's like, I want him in my 40s.

I want him in the 40s.

No old hips.

So anyway, it was a big controversy.

We thought maybe they were going to replace the guy.

It says like, how can you like, you know, Natalie and I are hosting a new show on Netflix called Age of Attraction that is ageless dating coming in 2026, I believe.

We don't really know when the exact date when it's coming out.

We think 2026.

I think it's going to be great.

But that seems like a show for Mel Owens.

I feel like they maybe should have had him on there.

But this is the show where, you know, they're only going to be casting 60 and 70 year old people.

Yeah.

Find a guy that wants that.

The show started off.

He's like, I did a podcast and I said some wrong things.

As if like going on podcasts is where you say he blamed podcasting i was offended

and then that was like 30 seconds later he's like all right let's meet the women

it really made me laugh how much they talked about him and his little podcast that he did the way he was like this is not like reflective of who i am people say dumb shit on a podcast and all the women were like you're so right yeah and it seems so p it seems so like pr

Like his whole little speech that he had, I was like, wow, that's crazy that you came up with this on the spot, Mel.

Good job.

We coming up shortly, we have the Mint Mobile Hot Take Hotline where we get to hear your burning hot takes.

But my burning hot take from this episode is that the fact that they didn't replace Mel, who seems like a good-looking guy, seems nice.

I don't even fault him for wanting to date someone a bit younger than him.

I mean, who am I to judge?

But like, what we loved about The Golden Bachelor was that we, in, in the age of reality TV, that we have a hard time believing people's genuineness when it comes to finding love on TV.

And when you had like season one of The Golden Bachelor, you believed it.

You believed that these people that they casted really came for this, you know, this second lease on life.

And to your point, Mary, it was like, oh, they're just here for TV because the women were like, yeah, we don't give a fuck.

you know?

Yeah, I don't care.

I don't want to ask some questions, you know?

Like, yeah, they have a couple like simple questions, but most of them, like, yeah, whatever.

He said some stuff.

Am I still on the show?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, Nick, correct me if I'm wrong, but like, to me, I felt like it was a little refreshing to have the women be like, well, you know, people do say things, but it's about when you like meet them and learn who they are that like, that's how you judge them.

Because maybe, sure, it was fake and shallow, but to me, I was like, that's like a new fresh perspective we don't see.

I guess, maybe.

It's just like his ex-wife's a bit younger.

He was very clear about his age preferences.

It's just, it's hard to believe that he's genuinely interested in these women based off what he said.

So it's like, yeah, no, I think that Justin's point that I, I don't think it really changed necessarily my perspective on the women because it's like, you got cast.

You still want to do this experience.

I feel like for Golden Bachelor, especially, so much of that experience is like putting yourself out there and like meeting these other women that are all kind of like on on similar journeys to you.

And I think it can like what always was meaningful to me about Golden Bachelor specifically was to see all of these women interact with each other and like build friendships more so than the romance between like the bachelor and the women.

At the same time, Mel just seems disingenuous.

That's what's and I want to be clear.

I don't fault any of the women for still going on the show.

It's an amazing opportunity.

When Nellie's mom was thinking about going on, I was like, listen, like, I don't know if you're going to find love or not, but like you're going to meet friends and you might get to travel and it's gonna be really cool i'm just saying from an optic standpoint the fact that they stuck with this guy like it just makes it harder to buy you know they didn't do themselves any favors because of what he said and to gloss over it it's just like oh man we had this one show where we believed everyone was here for love you know and

i don't know anymore but who do who do we who did we love who did we love with the women they got rid of one of my favorites who is it diane my favorite was andre when he got got rid of andre i was like okay this hockey playing hiking like i'm just like agrarian yeah this is why i love this show too is because it's like i just turned 35 and i'm like obviously i have some like benchmarks i want to hit but i'm like there is like this weird looming fake thing over your head that's like as i get older that like life is over or that like i'm gonna fall into some sort of like monotonous thing and i'm like these people are out here living life more than i am to some extent so i'm like it's so exciting to watch shout out to peg

the baby squad i can't stand her i that was insane that was awesome why do you

have a hard opinion about any of them

sierra i don't know it's just too much it was just too much for me it was the producers though that had to be the producers for peg and nicole girl that pool party the third right the third time she did it i was like okay we're doing too much but i respect it you know honestly bop off i do feel like who was the woman he was talking about who like grew up going to Rams games and stuff.

Oh, she's like, I didn't really watch the first one.

Her nephew was the baseball player.

Yeah.

That seems to me like she's going to go far.

They had instant chemistry.

She's the one who's Freddie Friedman's manager.

She's a fan of each other.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She's his manager, but also his aunt.

Amy?

Carol.

Oh, Carol.

Carol.

Yeah.

Baseball all-star Freddy Friedman.

Yes.

Yes.

I do see Carol.

Like, they seem like they would make sense in the real world.

I don't know.

I just realized that I don't think I can watch this show any longer because I'm a mama's boy and seeing these moms get their heart broken and sent home.

I'm like, I can't.

I'm sorry.

After the first one, I was like, this is too much for me.

Like, I'm too attached.

I think the same way Justin strikes again.

I can't.

I think the thing with Mel is I'm just like, ladies don't trust him.

Yeah.

That's how I feel.

I, it's hard to trust the guy.

Well, also, so crazy for a Rose ceremony, like where I'm just like, obviously, I know it's a show.

I was like, I was not expecting them to keep them up throughout the next morning.

And two Rose ceremonies in one episode, too.

I was like, whoa, whoa.

Two Rose ceremonies.

And then I was like, when they all came into the mansion, like freaking out, being like, I can't believe we're here.

I was like, where did you do the rose ceremony for the last 24 hours?

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

Sometimes as the bachelor, you can't send them home fast enough.

Yeah.

Nick, what does it feel like as someone who has stood there and watched producers have these women do these silly things?

You know, I will say, like, when I was on the other end, when I was on the bachelorette and I didn't do any silly things, like, I,

it, like, that's, it, I kind of regret that.

Like, you should have fun.

You should goof around.

It's not meant to be, it's not a reflection of these people's characters.

It's just like, you know, it's, I think it's cool that they lean into it.

And it was a regret of mine.

I think sometimes people are afraid of like looking stupid or us being critics and things like that, but yeah, whatever.

So, anyways, we'll keep tabs on Mel and the ladies he's pursuing.

I don't know.

I don't think it's going to work out with whoever he picks.

Maybe I'm crazy.

I think he's going to end up with Nicole already.

That's just my, that's my, my, my, my guess from the start.

The one that was making out with him.

Where's she?

Where's she from?

Where's she from?

She's like yoga instructor on.

Let me see where she's from.

Oh, she's the one.

She was giving like West Palm.

She's 64.

Yeah, I think she was from Florida, actually.

Yep.

Miami Beach, maybe.

You think Mel's traveling?

You think he's going to Florida?

I have a feeling she will relocate.

I think if Mel's going to go anywhere, he could go to Florida.

That's true.

Yeah.

I think Mel would do incredible in West Palm Beach.

I think he would do great in like Naples.

Okay, yeah.

Give him a little sarasota.

You're right.

She's from Miami.

Miami.

Miami.

He would eat Miami.

64, giving like 43.

Oh, yeah.

They're all hot.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

The flip-flops that man could pop off on the beach.

All right, well, we'll keep tabs.

And now it's time to hear from you and your hot takes because it's time for the Mint Mobile Hot Take Hotline.

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I don't know if everyone else felt the same way, but I do feel like the premiere of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City first episode was probably one of the best ones yet.

And I do think that it had to do with Lisa not being there and the women being able to actually be themselves, have fun with each other.

It was a really nice one.

Also, Tamara, I don't think we need her for real host sizes of Orange County.

I don't think she brings anything besides a terrible friendship to the group.

And I don't think she, I don't think we need her.

That's it.

Okay.

Interesting tag.

I don't know if I agree.

I mean, I love, I agree with the part that it was a great premiere episode.

It was a great first episode.

And

I agree that I think the women were definitely allowed to be more themselves without Lisa being there.

But Lisa also was the center of attention in episode one.

Yeah, totally.

But second episode, having Lisa then in, it just like gave us the explosion that we love in Real Housewives.

And like, I'm from Lisa's stan, but we need her.

We want her.

We have to have her.

I feel like watching the first episode of Salt Lake City felt like drinking a Red Bull.

And then watching this one with Lisa Barlow in it, you're like, oh, this would be incredible if it was a vodka Red Bull also and then she wants Tamra gone and for probably the same reason she wants Lisa gone but like I mean you take Lisa off Salt Lake and you take Tamra off of Orange County and that is a very different show yeah Tamra does bring us the drama I don't think she's the bestest of friend but she does bring us this is in house friends

Housewives.

Yeah, she's an entertainer and she's good at her job.

And at the end of the day, yeah, we would have no storylines storylines without Tamara.

And I'm excited to see what she's going to do next season.

Yeah, I mean, it's just like, listen, if people don't want Tamara on the show, you're going to have to get your other girls to step up.

Yeah.

Emily and Gina are not bringing.

You know, if you don't want Tamara there, fucking bring it.

Well, either way, we appreciate the hot take.

Let's get to the second one of the hour.

Hi, my hot take is that the Bachelor franchise is single-handedly ruining or canceling themselves.

I feel like most of us are tired of seeing the drama.

We are getting zero love story and zero friendships.

All we're seeing is drama and people doing each other dirty.

And that's not what The Bachelor is for.

They've asked us for all the other new more raunchy shows.

But yeah, I think bring back the original love story that we all tuned in for originally.

Okay.

I don't, I think that's less on Bachelor and more on just the contestants.

Like, I feel like the contestants these days aren't really coming coming in it looking genuinely for love yeah but i do think i mean i know that the they have dropped the ball in this franchise oh no i mean 100 i mean i think everyone has opinions our our lovely caller wants more love stories more friendships i'm not even sure we're getting much drama what i know we're not getting is star power i just don't think we really give a shit about you know these stories teller frankie paul She's going to save things.

But up until this point, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what it was.

I mean, something caused it where i think they just started being reactive rather proactive and they just you know i don't know like they just you know i think do you have different people doing the shows you know i think there's just no synergy there's no plan there's no playbook they have like their old way of doing things but you have new producers trying to replicate an old playbook But either way,

I think we all agree that it seems to be like a sinking ship, but we'll see.

Cross your fingers for Taylor.

I do feel like I used to watch The Bachelor kind of in the idea of like, it just seemed like such an unreal situation that I was like, these people are actually going to end up being engaged at the end of this.

Like, this is crazy.

And now we don't really have that.

I'm like, we can't have like genuine connections, especially with the bringing in of social media as well.

I feel like everybody started going on there for followers and endorsements and all of these things that I'm like, yeah, you're not going to get this genuine proposal.

And then once people were able to not.

propose at the end of this whole experience, like that's when it was kind of ruined for me.

Yeah.

It's valid.

I'm rooting for it.

I, I, I just hope, I just hope Taylor saves it.

Do you think she's gonna end up engaged at the end of it?

Yeah, she has to.

She has to.

She has to.

I think she has to.

You don't, yeah.

All right, we got one more.

Hi, this is Mariah.

I just wanted to call it, it's not really a hot take, but I just wanted to see how excited Nick was about the Packers getting Micah Parsons.

So excited.

I hope you're really excited.

And my boyfriend tells me that they're going to have a disgusting defense this year, which I think is good.

Anyways, congratulations.

Bye.

It is good.

And your boyfriend's a keeper.

They do have a disgusting defense.

It's so good that the Packers, who shit the bed last week, it's very frustrating.

Here's a fun number for you.

The Packers, they've played three games.

There's seven teams that I think seven or nine teams I don't know that are still undefeated, not the Packers because they choked.

But yet the Packers are the only team in the league this year who have not trailed for a second of any game this year, and yet they still lost.

I don't know what any of that means, but like was definitely a story.

Because

Steven Browns picked a last-minute field goal, anyways.

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Chris.

Mike.

So good to see you.

Yeah, good to see you guys.

Sorry, we're not there.

We're up at our new lake house.

Period.

Period.

As you fucking should be.

Are we starting?

Yeah, you can start whatever.

Yeah.

All right.

We're starting.

Gout dick sucker.

I think that's a beautiful place to start.

Raise of hands if you're a gout dick sucker.

I mean, you don't have to.

I mean, I prefer a goutless dick, but I mean, I guess I am down for an adventure.

Yeah.

If it's your husband.

So true.

That's what I thought was so funny.

Lisa was coming for Bronwyn that entire time.

And it's like as if she's like a gold digger with Todd.

And it's like, she's married to the man for what, a decade?

Like,

what's the thing that we're catching right now?

Sorry, I'm making a weird face at you.

I really thought I was about to sneeze and I didn't.

I've never made eye contact with somebody with that.

I'm allergic to gout dick suckers.

But also, I'm with Whitney and the fact that like didn't know you could get gout in your dick.

I, yeah, I don't like to agree with Whitney on many things.

I was shocked about that one.

I too.

Wait, wait, wait.

I don't know if it's like in your ankles.

Well, you can also get it in your knees.

It's when like all the cartilage in between your like bones is gone.

So you're just bones are rubbing together.

My dad has it.

Like it's like an old man thing.

Yeah, that's, I knew it was like an old man thing.

I kind of thought it was like a 17th century thing.

Yeah.

I didn't realize it was like still around.

No disrespect to your father.

I just, I didn't know that was happening.

Chris, what?

Why do you, we're not, we're not Whitney stands?

No, I'm sure she's a lovely lady.

What I see on television, I know.

Give us notes.

What are your notes for Whitney?

Like, what rubbed you the wrong way?

If you're going to stir the pot, at least own the fact that you're stirring the pot.

The same shit that she has gone after Lisa time and time again and Meredith time and time again of finding these rumors, spreading them in the group.

She's the one doing it every season.

She does it every season.

And she's like wasted every time it happens.

She's taking the fall sometimes, though.

Not always.

Good.

She should take more of the fall.

God, it just drives me crazy.

Like season three, when they were in Arizona.

Blue Jaws for Jazzies wasn't her.

That was Meredith.

But she's still.

I need to walk in and tell the group as we're all in lingerie and hammered.

That's the fucking craziest take I've ever heard.

That's when Heather

pushed her.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would too.

I mean, if that were my family, I'd push them too.

That's what family's for.

This sounds so toxic.

That's what family's for is crazy.

It was good to have Lisa back on our screen after like completely mailing it in the first episode.

Okay.

Did she look like she went back 10 years or something?

Like, everybody, I don't know if I was smoking something different,

but everybody looked different this episode.

Lisa?

Lisa got her glam makeup team from like 2010.

Yeah.

It looked just a little dated to me.

I don't think she looked like necessarily younger.

I think Heather's chest is like the smoothest thing since butter.

Oh, I didn't like necessarily think she looked like younger or older per se.

I just thought like everybody looked different.

She looked like Mary when she was talking to Robert.

I was like, that's not Mary.

Yeah.

I was like, are these body, like stunt doubles?

When Mary was talking to Robert, I thought she looked so hot there.

No, she looks amazing, but she just didn't look like Mary.

But yeah, but like, I literally said to Natalie when we were watching it, like, they would cut back and forth between like Mary talking to Robert.

And I was like, damn, Mary's fine.

And then Mary in the Confessional.

It was like the classic Mary where it was like shiny and kind of like, I don't like, and I

don't understand how after five incredible incredible seasons they have not figured out the lighting for these women i'm glad that they finally gave them new like

spinning clips to show after like their season one ones but like oh my god why can't we get good lighting for these women yeah i agree who is your favorite you're gonna say at least

i am i mean meredith marks is iconic exactly i sat next to her at a fashion show at fashion week and oh my god i i mean i was just showing my boyfriend like i was getting him into salt lake city so we've been like watching it like from sun up to sundown we had just watched the you can leave and then i see her in person i'm like chris you cannot mention you can leave i don't know how she feels about that do not say it and i was just i was like you're iconic you're so iconic but then during the show she's like trying to take pictures of the show and it's just like it's like she's never been on an iphone before it was like the most incredible performance piece I've ever seen.

She's like, are your pictures coming out blurry?

And it's just like, you need to clean your camera, babe.

How is she working?

Incredible.

Like, I, oh my God, she really is just

how is she working a turntable?

She's DJing now.

We're going to her show next week.

Wee-ho.

Yeah.

Oh, no.

Like, the way I'm DMing her and being like, hey.

Hey, Diva.

How y'all doing?

Like, I need to see her live.

Yeah.

she's on tour.

The way Meredith serves nothing while DJing is somehow everything.

No, she gives it all.

She leaves it all on the dance floor, which is her DJ booth.

Yeah, it's just like it's with someone with that sort of charisma, that sort of uniqueness, that sort of nerve, that sort of talent, like you don't even have to like give.

You can just, she's just radiating her incredible aura to the crowd.

Oh my God, I'm so jealous you guys are seeing her next week.

We are

coming on as a special guest to her performance.

To her performance?

On stage?

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

We're in conversations.

The request we've been asked.

Oh my God.

Maybe it'll be rescinded after

we mention it.

Nick, I know how to walk the stage if you need me.

I'm going to see if I can get the whole household to come.

Oh my God.

Suddenly I'm home.

This happens every time.

This happens every time, Chris.

Every time he's like, oh, suddenly I'm a fly on this little plant over here.

Every time you come, you're like, and I think I'm a part of the family.

And I just

said, okay, I know when I need to come home.

And today is the day I come home because we're seeing Meredith Mark next week, I hear.

Welcome.

Welcome home, honey.

Okay, what did we think of they're at?

First of all, whoever Amy is.

The party didn't look that extravagant and they kept saying she throws extravagant parties.

For Tall Lake City.

Did anybody watch Vampire Diaries?

Because it gave me like a founder's ball, like a very like small town thing where you're just like, whose house is this?

And like, why is everybody, like, why is it?

All the rich people, though.

Yeah.

No, I got that vibe.

Like, it felt very like convention, but more so, like an event, like business event, more than it did, like, oh, here's a fun party that we're all going to go to on a Friday night.

Convention's a good word for that.

I really hope they're not like trying to set up Amy to like join the cast.

I felt like that, yeah.

Personally, what it felt like to me when they like showed the picture of her and her husband, I was like, no, please,

the roster is full.

Like, thank you for adding Brittany.

Let's leave it there.

I bet they like teased the possibility to get Amy to throw the housewives a party so they could shoot an episode.

I bet they teased it.

They're like, well, you know, maybe, you know, like, she gave nothing, obviously.

She didn't, like, she wasn't part of the show.

I just feel like if another white

woman is going to go on Salt Lake City, it should be the return of Angie H.

Please.

No, I'm a stand for Angie H.

I will.

I'm sorry, I'll die at the cross for Angie H.

All right.

Well, you have to be wrong sometimes.

Nicole Kidman looking at her.

She looks like Nicole.

She's hot.

She loves her kids that are just queer.

Like, I'm so for it.

Her elf on a shelf husband.

That too.

Who has a fist though?

Honestly, like, okay, I don't support anything Jen Shaw did, but she gave us her fucking elf on a shelf husband.

And the way I use elf on a shelf now as an adjective,

one word is crazy.

Speaking of husbands,

what's Meredith's husband's

sadness?

I love him.

When he was drilling,

Jared Osmond.

Jared.

But are you in love?

Are you falling in love?

Like, what's that was my favorite part?

Britney and Jared's storyline, like, I feel like has run its course for me personally.

Like, it was fun season five when it was like, I have an announcement.

I'm like, what could this be?

But, like, now it's like,

okay,

I love that she got at it with Whitney on the bus.

That was amazing.

I was like, oh, Britney showed up to work this season.

The fact that she couldn't say, like, sucking dick, but could do this.

That gesture was so.

Whitney, sucked it.

I was like, that's how you set off a firework, not suck dick.

Yeah, if I may so restorely say,

clearly, she's not practicing.

What, um, what did you think of

not practicing is wild?

Not practicing is crazy.

Mormonism, sucking Caltic.

You just never, you never know.

You just never know.

What's the difference between practicing and performing?

No, performing is when you're putting on a show.

You're imagining you're in 50 Shades of Gray, you're being filmed, you're on TV, you're in a movie.

And when you're practicing.

And when you're practicing, it's like,

I don't know.

Let's just like see if like, maybe if I bite it, if that works.

I don't know.

Sometimes you need to throw some ideas out there.

You guys are having a crazy time up at that lake house.

No, the lake house is doing crazy

things.

Spring training is.

I have no idea.

What are you biting up there?

What are you nipping?

Nothing.

I'm starved.

Nothing.

I'm starved.

But no, please tell me.

First of all, we have Brittany being like, don't shoot the messenger, but this is what she said about your business, that she compared you to Jin Shaw.

And then we fast forward to Lisa pulling Angie, and it clearly is all about Bronwyn.

And I respect Bronwyn so much for being like, bitch, just come and talk to me because

you're clearly upset with me.

So let's just talk about it.

Lisa, the bomb that goes off inside of Lisa's body when Bronwyn comes near her, it was insane.

Lisa, that performance was

insane.

Oscar.

I want to get in a fight with Lisa Barlow.

Like, I want to get in a shouting.

You're disgusting.

I think we can make a disgusting.

She's a monster.

I do too, Nick.

And like, that frightens me.

me.

Like, I feel like being a middle kid with two brothers, my whole life has set me up to be in a screaming match with Lisa Barlow.

It would be so much fun.

Don't get me wrong.

Like, we're mutuals on Instagram.

I'd like to keep it that way, Lisa.

But, like, if you ever did want to get into a screaming match, I'm so down.

It does seem really amazing.

Yeah.

Like, I just, I love

the city.

It feels like a creative writing class.

They just, it's like every episode, you're like, how could they possibly?

Oh, that's how.

Okay, got it.

Shakespeare.

Shakespeare reborn in Utah.

Do you think she came up with the Gout Dick Sucker Sucker on the fly?

Or do you think 100%?

Yes.

A thousand percent.

She's thought it before.

She's thought it before.

She had it lined up.

Yeah, she had it lined up, but I think she has like Lisa Barlow is, could be an Emmy-winning comedy writer with like literally like what she has like in the back of her head, ready to like throw out on a, like, I want to see her read, like, do a reading challenge on Drag Race.

What did she say about the lawsuits when she was like, they come for the top, or they go for the talk?

Oh, no one sues a bottom, bitch.

They all go for for the top

crazy wild thing to say honestly that should have been her tagline i don't know what her tagline is but it needs to be we haven't seen them yeah okay i was like wait just like a little flash of all of them and then we carry on i have no idea what they want to say about themselves they'll probably get it

i thought we were getting an episode what if we found out that one of the people that was suing her that she owed money to was a comedy writer who wrote her jokes for housewives.

Wow.

I mean, he's paying for an Amex privately.

That was crazy.

Yeah.

When they straight up were like, it's in the documents.

And she's like, no, it's not.

And then they just flashed it up on the screen.

I was like, it's in the documents.

No, the editors really always, like, every season, I'm like, they deserve a raise.

Yes, they do.

Oh, my God.

The editors eat.

Well, she has so much fun.

Chris, to your point, calling back season three, like Salt Lake City semi was always so full circle.

The fact that season three was blowjobs for jazzies, which were lawsuits and blowjobs for paying for Lisa allegedly.

Yeah.

And here we are two seasons later closing the gap.

It's crazy.

Closing the gout.

And I will say, I think Bronwyn really handled herself against Lisa because I feel like I just watched Lisa self-implode in the sense of like gout dick sucker was like, okay, we're going to the bottom of the barrel.

No, that was like, okay, so this friendship is over.

It also like really saved stuff for Angie because it was about to like Angie was probably going to go nuclear on Lisa.

And then Bronwyn came in and deflected.

And then, yeah, we never even got my favorite was when Lisa said that she had gone the distance for Angie.

And I was like, was that before or after you said that Sean was doing circle jerks?

Yeah.

Okay.

Literally.

Having just re-watched this whole series for like the ninth time, the circle jerk comment still pisses me off that like nobody understood the context in which she was saying that.

Like Lisa was saying like, that's as if someone said, I heard Sean does circle jerks.

like the way that Whitney was talking about her husband.

Like I understood what she was saying there.

I did too, but she could have used any other example.

And she went for a She was like oh your husband's been rumored to be gay It would be like if he did circle jerk and we just had the rumor of Sean being gay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Too shy.

I hear it.

You are right though.

She was trying to make an example.

I hear you.

You love her.

It's like I she's incredible television.

I never want to like go against that like

that like I'm not in these women's shoes.

I can't speak for them.

But for television, like I really, I live.

I think it it was crazy that she brought up a joke, Bronwyn being like, and I can so hear Bronwyn years ago being like, oh my God, yeah, when the Amex builds come, I just like suck his dick to like, and then her pulling that out five years later to be like, and that's what you fucking do.

You gold digging is not your money.

Amex, suck his dick to deflect.

Like, whoa, that's her husband.

Like, if she wants to suck his dick to pay off her Amex, why not?

That was in the marriage contract.

Literally.

And who was it that was like, who likes sucking dick here?

And Wendy being like, me.

Everybody's like, me.

Who sucks dick here?

Me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, Bronwyn's the best.

He's so hard to go after because she's like, yeah, no, I suck dick.

And then, do you suck dick?

And Whitney's like, I suck dick.

We all suck dick.

And like, you, Bronwyn's so quick to own it.

It's really hard to like, it's really hard to get under her skin because she'd be, she'll be the first one to be like, yeah, I fucked up.

Whatever.

What's it to you?

I was like, even though, like, she didn't go to college, yeah, she can read a legal report.

Like, you don't need to go to college to understand what's in the grade.

She can read.

She said, I don't need to go to college to read the newspaper.

Yeah.

She ate with that one, honestly.

Like, I was like, she did.

You're so right for that, Bronwood.

And then

my least favorite moment.

I just knew from the beginning of the episode that like Heather was filming at the mouth to tell Lisa that all of these women were talking shit about her because nobody is a better friend than I am to you.

Oh, of course.

Yeah.

And like those people drive me nuts.

I was like, Meredith was standing up for her.

Brittany was standing up for her.

She's like, it was just me.

You know, Meredith.

Meredith is being Meredith.

I was like, yeah, Meredith was being Meredith.

She was keeping her damn mouth shut like a true friend.

But also, did stand up for her when it came down to it.

It was like, you don't have all the facts.

This doesn't sound correct.

Never confirmed like everybody else at the table that we all know what's going on with Lisa Barlow.

It's in the newspaper.

But I also don't understand.

Did everybody not in the group just get mad at Meredith for doing this in Bermuda?

Like,

it's like,

wake up, people.

Come on now.

Like, we could all be like joining forces to trash Amy's house.

Like we could be dividing and confident and blowing up every bathroom.

And yet we're just screaming, gout dick sucker.

Come on, let's lock in and clock in.

There's so much power in allyship.

The random man that they were flashing to during the gout dick sucker.

Yeah, he was like, oh,

yeah.

He was in pain.

He was like, oh, my knee.

No, we have Lisa at that dinner or lunch with Heather being like, my life is very different from all of yours.

It's nothing like all of yours.

Everybody knows I do big things.

Heather's like, well, everyone knows I do big things.

What does that even mean?

That is really funny considering Heather's business is in a strip mall, though.

But, like, well, I know y'all know it's an iconic strip mall.

It is an iconic strip mall.

Got some respect on that strip mall.

Shout out, Beauty Lab.

We love you, Beauty Lab.

Beauty Lab, my forehead is moving more than I'd like it to.

Bring them in, bring them in.

What did we think of Whitney's like FBI SWAT team stripper?

Hated.

Okay.

Yeah, so this is like

even when she's trying to serve, it's like she just has anti-serve coursing through her veins.

And I mean that respectfully.

But she's really good at snowboarding.

Woo!

Jump.

Look at her.

I just think it's funny that

I saw a tweet that was basically like every single time a housewife or like someone on reality TV dyes their hair that red, that color red, they're going through a crisis.

Oh, and it was her and then Whitney from Mormon Wives.

Okay, Whitney for Mormon Wives looks amazing with that hair color.

Oh, she does.

Yeah.

I like that hair color.

Are you watching Dancing with the Stars?

No.

I did last night, and she looks absolutely incredible.

Yeah, she looks fantastic.

How'd she do last night?

She did fantastic.

Like, literally, I think she might win.

You think so?

Yeah, I'm like

TikTok dancing makes sense, but she

got snatched after that baby and

took those hours into practice dancing in that hospital room, okay?

She fucking stepball changed.

Give us your top performers of the night on dancing with the stars break it down for us um i thought

whitney did the best even though i think uh robert irwin was the top of the leaderboard um i also

loved jordan child i thought did a really great job and i thought that her judge or like her her score was not right um and also like i don't understand dancing with the stars though because why do the judges give a score if america's gonna vote people off like do their scores actually matter not really really.

The scores on Dancing with the Stars is like a rose on The Bachelor.

It's there to just like create drama in a way.

You know, like, I, the votes really all that matters in terms of like who wins.

I, I don't even think mathematically the votes count all that much.

Like, last week they had two judges and like when they have three, you know, most of the time they have three.

Sometimes they have four.

But like, so it's so good.

I think it's just in people's heads.

Yeah.

And also like it can like, it also, it can get voters to react more.

You know, it's, it's their way of creating a little bit of drama.

It's pretty irrelevant.

Andy Richter stayed and Corey Feldman went home.

Yeah, Corey did go home.

How is Dylan doing?

Dylan's the cutest thing ever, ever.

I mean, he really doesn't have to do anything for everybody to be like swoon, but like he does these body rolls and he's just having so much fun.

It's very great to watch.

Well, apparently next week is like TikTok night.

I wonder what that means.

They're bringing Charlie D'Amelio on and this week's was One Hit Wonders.

So next week it's going to be, I guess, Songs Made Famous by by TikTok.

Wow.

I've never heard such a sad sight and sound.

When it was a big fucking bummer.

It's like the renegade.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Like wild.

Oh God.

Not the renegade.

That's crazy.

Tiara, how's Jen Effleck doing?

Jen did amazing.

She's just a little fireball on that dance floor.

I do think Whitney is doing better.

But yeah, Jen's doing great.

Jen's first dance, she was up in the air being like thrown around and flipping.

She's tinier, tinier, so they can like throw her around.

Who do you think the crowd is responding to the most?

Like, because like sometimes the best dancer doesn't always win.

I think Robert Irwin and Whitney.

Okay.

That's what I've been seeing, too.

Yeah.

Great.

I'm going back to Salt Lake City really quick because I can't.

I'm sorry about this.

You're like, I have nothing to add, so let's go

the information back.

I know about

the Blair Witch ending being a fake, a fake out.

I'm so happy you brought that up.

What in the literal F-U-C-K fuck was that?

I, all we got was flashbacks of how do we get home?

And then they wake up all together.

And then Meredith being like, redaction would never let me die.

I live for her.

Oh my God, her laugh brings.

There's this one video this season that Jen Shaw was, it was the veil trip.

And Meredith is in the bathtub and she's she's

and they like it cuts to her, and it's the craziest one second.

I recorded it, and it's in my favorites folder.

It is like truly one of my favorite things.

I'll find it, but Meredith on the veil trip when she was like, If I knew the FBI, don't you think I would have called them already?

I would have loved to have seen that, and I was like, Oh, and then when she runs around, who's talking about my husband, or whatever it was,

who's talking about my family?

Yeah,

who's calling who's a who a fraud?

Love you, baby, love you, baby,

Crazy real trip.

I have a question for y'all.

If Jen Shaw, because Andy Cohen just recently said, like, I'd love to never see Jen Shaw again.

If she got out, like, if when she gets out of prison, personally, there's a world that I see these producers bringing her and Monica back on the same season and, like, truly, like, letting it go.

That's what I'm lobbying for.

But I respect the other women probably don't want to touch her.

Same.

I was going to say, I feel like that would blow up their cost.

And she's, like, a true felon.

So, like, I don't really.

I don't think you need to platform that.

And he's only referring to never seeing her again because he's like, she'll never come and watch what happens live, but she'll definitely be back on season.

I don't know.

She has to, yeah.

They're calling back to her so much already.

Maybe.

I don't know.

Who would you rather see back?

Jen or Monica?

Jen.

Monica.

I know.

I literally

in prison with Elizabeth Holmes and Gillaine Magswell.

But like, I just really want them to bring Elizabeth Holmes.

Gillene, no.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But Elizabeth Holmes, I really want her to be a friend of whenever Jen Shaw comes back.

And that's the way I'll like bring Jen Shaw back on Salt Lake City.

Elizabeth Holmes' pipeline, if she ends up as a friend of on a housewife thing, is

crazy.

No one better say that they have like a headache or anything around her.

She's like, well, dude, I got the solution for you.

Yeah.

Prick.

Prick.

Just a prick.

Just one prick.

I found it.

Found it.

Give it to us.

That's crazy.

and like the face she's making is absolutely like she is whatever is in her is like combining at the perfect time the chemical cocktail that woman is on i want to

package it and bring it my way honey

dude i

a bath bomb just give me the bomb babe i will talk about that bath bomb though i had had like one night i had two gin and tonics and i used the meredith marks bath bomb and i was like oh i completely understand her like the way my brain fundamentally shifted in that moment when I was in the bath with that bath bomb, a little drunk, I was like, you could say anything to me.

All of a sudden you were like,

I was like, oh, I understand.

No one's going to hear me on here.

I would love to ask like Heather or any of the Real Housewives how they feel about Jared Osmond now, because I feel like the Osmonds were always.

like Mormon royalty.

And I feel like Jared's just like single-handedly bringing down that.

Not every family is a black shit.

She's giving like the Stephen Baldwin of the Osmonds of like, oh, right.

You're related.

The other Osmond.

Yeah, I don't really know much about them, only from what I know about the show or like what I've learned from the show.

Yeah, I don't know what that is.

I guess I just wasn't born.

I'm pretty sure you're younger than me, so fuck.

Yeah, I don't really know who they are.

So like, he's pretty irrelevant.

He's like, I don't know.

He gives me such an it.

He does too.

Oh, my God.

What does he do for work?

Does he just

yeah, like I don't think he has to work, which is personally my dream.

Yeah, that would be amazing.

He's doing one thing better than us.

But other than that, I'm like, even just the stuff with Britney and the we're engaged.

Just kidding.

We called it off, but we see each other every day.

I'm just like, I'm in love with her, but I'm not like in love with her.

But I, I, not yes, Brittany, I'm 31, okay?

My neck cannot take this whiplash.

Like, I already slept poorly.

Come on, girl.

But she is perfect television.

Like, she really, I was so hoping she'd come back.

the hug between her and whitney wait

i was like screensaver did you guys see this interview she just did where i still want to apologize for the dick sucking comment

they're like britney she's like the annoying sister that everyone's like brittany it's not the time

at all i'll never forget mary's or brunch and when she's like guys this is so up what about me

what about me that's that was the moment when i said give her a motherfucking snowflake literally the first the first episode when they're like we're gonna going to drive past my house and Mary's like, we could drop you off.

And she's like, you're so cute when you're rude.

And Mary's like, just kidding.

And I'm like, Mary, you are not kidding.

No, did you guys see the, I just saw this interview she did where she was basically like, yeah, like the girls are calling me Ditsy, which like, that's true, but I'm not stupid.

I read astrophysics just like for fun.

Like, what does that even mean?

I don't know, but when we get Britney on the show, Brittany, when you come on the show, can we please talk about what astrophysics books you're reading and what you find interesting about them?

I want a lesson about space and time and the continuum from you, Brittany Bateman.

Please, God.

Wow.

Normally, I'd like to

sit out scholarly stuff like that, but I'd like to sit in on that.

Suddenly, I'm on the plant again.

Chris, Chris, you'll like this.

I sent Brittany a DM and I was like, looking forward to having you on the show.

And she wrote back just, no, she didn't even write back.

She sent me a voice message.

Three seconds.

Oh my gosh, that's so nice.

Thank you.

That's it.

I'm honestly surprised she didn't sing it, but that's incredible.

Oh my gosh.

That's so nice.

Thank you.

Not even 10 words.

Three seconds.

And a voice memo.

That's incredible.

That is like peak me texting.

Brittany and a bow.

I like FaceTime people just to tell them eight words.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just really.

And I'm like, wait, I have to go.

Sorry.

I have to go.

I'm dead.

FaceTime someone to be like, hey, I can't talk right now.

Oh, that's so nice.

Thank you.

Alrighty.

Got it, Brittany.

Chris, this has been so much fun, man.

We love it when you join us.

Oh, my God.

I'm like, now that this is back on, I'm like, do I have a residency here?

Like, is this?

Oh, my God.

Give us a Vegas residency.

I love it.

Do you want a household snowflake?

You can be part of our unofficial member of the household with a snowflake.

Or I guess it's one hand, so sorry.

Oh, wait.

wait, how do you feel about Angie being center snowflake?

Always don't challenge that one.

We don't tolerate Angie hate here.

Alrighty, well, I think we have that answer.

I feel like it's fun.

We love it, everyone.

I think she's a good addition.

Like, I think she's a good housewife.

The first season was definitely rocky for her, in my opinion.

But high body count hair was as equally as iconic as gout dick sucking.

I think more iconic, honestly, because you can use high body count as

well.

Dick sucker at really many people.

Yeah, no, you could say somebody at a church has helped by high body count hair, but you can't say something.

And they wouldn't even know what that means.

They'd be like, thank you.

It is voluminous today.

Yeah, it's closer to God.

A parishioner, a gout, dick sucker.

That wouldn't land.

Yeah.

High body count hair is like way more covert and the best possible.

Oh, that is such a read.

Like when she said that, I was like, oh, I'm locked in.

And she did have high body count hair.

Yeah, Angie can read people to filth, and I'm here for it.

Sniper words.

I will say, Angie's dress was, I would not say, looking like a mother, but work high.

I'll take whatever you're having, please.

She was like, I look like a mother.

And I was like, okay, you know what?

Yeah, you do.

She said, I wouldn't fare well if you talk is what I learned.

Yeah.

Like, fuck yeah, you do.

Come on, girl.

Get me an applesauce.

Chris, where are you touring?

Let our audience know where they can find you, follow you, all that fun stuff.

I'm coming to Phoenix, Arizona for two shows.

You can follow my podcast, Chris vs.

the People.

When are you going to be in Phoenix?

I'm going to be in Phoenix, October 4th.

I have a 6 o'clock and an 8.30 or a 6.30 and an 8 o'clock.

I'm really bad with times, but it's in my calendar.

So

you can find it on my link tree.

All right.

Go to his link tree.

Chris, always fun to have you.

Thanks for coming on.

Come again, please.

Thanks for having me.

Oh, my God.

I can't wait.

Like, this is what I do

every time.

So please.

Let's record it.

Everyone has their favorites.

I'm a Whitney in Bronwyn stand.

You know, he likes Lisa.

I love Angie and Mary.

Yeah.

Well, I love them all.

You know, they're great.

I love them all too.

Yeah.

I'm like, I stand all of them, to be honest.

Honestly, Meredith and Whitney and Angie, those are my girls.

Mary and Bronwyn.

Well, we also love Alexia.

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Alexia, welcome to the show.

So excited to have you.

I'm so happy to be here talking to you guys.

Oh, yeah, it's so much fun.

We're loving this season.

I guess this lets us start off.

Like, what was it like filming this season?

And then also, like, what's it like watching it back?

Watching it back is definitely the worst thing to do because you guys have to remember we filmed this over a year ago.

Oh, wow.

So I, in my personal story, I was going through a lot.

I feel like I'm always going through a lot in every season, but this was a very difficult season for me, as you guys saw.

And then to have to relive it again and re-watch it really takes you back to that place that you were living.

Yeah.

And then I think also between the girls, it's kind of like we moved forward because it happened such a long time ago, but then we relive it, re-watch it, and then we're at it again.

What has been the hardest part for you to relive?

It was that scene where I had that breakdown.

You know, I was like to my breaking point.

Yeah.

And, you know, I said a lot of things because that's what I was going through.

Those were my emotions, you know, know, that were high and that were all over the place.

So I think that was the hardest thing for me to watch myself having that breaking point.

You and Stephanie had a really beautiful heart-to-heart.

Where do the two of you ladies stand today?

We're good.

Yeah, Stephanie and I are good.

You know, I think that, you know, she coming into the season.

so strong and, you know, so opinionated and so, so extra, right?

I felt like she did a lot in the beginning and she came after me.

and that really disappointed me and upset me because i was going through a really rough time in my life and i felt like she should have been a little bit more compassionate and just kind of like given me a break but no she came after me without knowing me without knowing my husband without knowing our relationship for whatever reason at that moment i didn't do anything because you know i also didn't want to go with that same narrative that they go with every season which is like oh we're jealous of the new richer younger girl and that was not the case it's never been the case for that matter but you know i didn't want to go through that and i'm like okay they're gonna say the same thing that you know we're trying to like take her off the show because she's younger and richer and whatnot like i said i was going through so much in my personal life that i really didn't have time to focus on the nonsense and on you know her just trying to come in and and take over was stephanie aware of anything that was going on in your life at that point you know she wasn't aware stephanie was not aware of what was going on in my life for me personally because i just got to know her yeah but you know i know that she knew you know of my story obviously you know i think a lot of the whole group, the whole friend group knew about what I was going through.

And the girls were talking to her, and she knew, but for whatever reason, you know, she, you know, we've come through all that.

And like she says, you know, she always was rooting for me and, you know, she wanted what was best for me.

And that was her opinion.

But did I like it?

No.

Do you think Marisol is the mouthpiece for Stephanie, or do you think Stephanie's thoughts and opinions are her own?

Wait, I thought I was Marisol's mouthpiece.

Okay, so wait, let me see.

Let me go back to that.

Oh, yeah, sure.

So, no, I don't think Marisol is Stephanie's mouthpiece.

You know, as a matter of fact, Marisol was also disappointed in Stephanie because we thought we were all going to be friends.

You know, that's what's so interesting about these shows.

Like, you know, we all have like an opinion formed in our minds and in our heads thinking, okay, well, Stephanie makes more sense to be friends with Marisol and I and Larsa.

So we thought we were all going to get along and be the best of friends.

And then to our surprise, you know, that didn't happen.

So I don't think that Marisol is is Stephanie's mouthpiece.

You know, I don't think they have that kind of friendship, you know, where she would do that.

I think that those were Marisol's, you know, opinions and thoughts and what she was, you know, feeling also as well.

When you watched the conversation between Marisol and Stephanie and how Stephanie is relaying what your conversation together at the spa was, do you feel like she accurately portrayed how you felt or do you feel like she kind of was stirring the pot a little bit between you and Marisol?

I thought she was stirring the pot between Marisol and I.

That's why I wanted to be part of the conversation.

Like I always want to be part of the conversation.

And even like in Seville, when we had that big blowout in the plaza, I felt that Marisol very much needed to be part of the conversation because it did have to do with her and it did have to do with both of us.

But, you know, for whatever purposes, you know, they keep us apart.

Do you think that Stephanie and Marisol, like, do you think there is a potential friendship there?

Or do you think there will always be friction?

I always think there's a potential friendship with everyone.

You know, I'm very like optimistic.

You know, this season, I may not be so much with some cast members, which I'm sure you're going to ask me about.

But I believe that Stephanie and Marisol, you know, could have a potential friendship for sure.

Before we ask you where you stand with the rest of the women, Alexia, earlier this season, you dropped what I thought was just a fascinating bit of information about your past, how you used to date a cocaine cowboy.

Not only date him, I married him and

business with him.

Did you know at the time, like, what his business dealings were?

Like, I mean, what was that like?

Because, I mean, it sounds like a crazy time.

I mean, I don't know.

We've seen all the movies, all the documentaries, but like, what was that like for you in such a crazy time to be married to such a notorious person?

Right.

Well, I didn't know that.

And if you know him as a human being, he's actually not a notorious person.

Okay.

And he's actually a very kind person.

But it was like a family business.

And for me, it was very removed from my life because both of my parents were physicians.

They were both doctors.

I was raised in private girl Catholic schools.

So my life was a lot different from his, but I truthfully didn't know his history and his background.

And back in the day, you know, they, their organization was protected.

Like everybody loved

him and like the people behind it, which was his family.

So

I didn't have that kind of family.

So I didn't know that that existed.

So for me, it was a shock when I did find out that

the man that I was in love with.

Yeah.

How did you find out?

Pretty much when they arrested him.

Okay.

Wow.

That's exactly like when the DEA knocked on my door and the U.S.

Marshals, and I was like, okay, who are you?

And they're like, we have, you know, your fiancé because I was engaged to him at the time.

Oh, wow.

Wow.

Like, do you have any relationship with him today?

Or I do.

Okay.

I do.

You know, he's an excellent father.

He has a very good relationship with my sons and even with myself.

I only know the good in him.

You know, I only he has made poor and bad decisions in his life, which he's had to pay for.

And unfortunately, so have my children.

And so have I.

But I only have love for him.

He's a great father.

I couldn't speak more on that because he's been a great father to Frankie.

I have a special need son due to a horrific car accident.

And

that day changed our lives and it brought us together as a family.

And he helps me like every single day with Frankie.

That's well, that's really beautiful.

And I mean, obviously, like you mentioning that you were married to a cocaine cowboy like sounds, you know, like, wow, like the shock values there.

But, you know, like, like you mentioned, you know, sometimes families just have to come together like through adversity.

Like, can you offer just any advice?

Like, I'm sure, you know, that knock on your door, you know, from the DEA was devastating in the moment, but like, how, how did you push through, right?

Knowing, you know, still having a positive relationship with him.

He's still obviously a good father.

You've obviously been able to make it work.

Yes.

So how, have you been able to look past the flaws and be able to still have that positive relationship like you have?

You know, when you give up that hope and trying to change the person and understand that this person didn't do this to you or to your family to hurt you, then you can move on.

So once I understood that he didn't have the capacity to make me happy.

or to be like the husband that I wanted him to be at that time.

And I was never going to change them, then I was able to accept him and see the good in him.

Because I've always believed that, of course, there's exceptions, you know, that there's people that are really bad.

But I always want to believe that the people that I've brought into my life and that I've shared my life with are generally good people and they love me.

And so I just accepted him for who he was.

And I said, okay, he's, you know, you know, maybe keep on making the same mistakes.

And it's one way or the other going to still affect me.

And I'm going to still be talking about it like I am today, 34 years later.

But, you know, I see the good in him.

And unfortunately, my son's accident brought us together.

And that's what people need to know.

Like the families, you know, need to know that the only way you can get through something like this is with the support and love from your family.

No, thanks for sharing that.

Can you elaborate at all?

And if it's an insensitive question, please don't answer, but about the accident with Frankie.

Oof.

That's maybe we should do that when I visit you in LA because that's like, that's like a whole chapter.

Yeah.

That's a lot.

I actually started writing.

writing, um, you know, writing and journaling really did help me a lot throughout Frankie's accident.

And it was a combination of like writing to God and to just writing, you know, putting it on paper and connecting.

Because the only reason that I was able to get through something like this was because of the faith that I had.

And I just don't understand how people don't have faith because for me, it was everything.

Like I had so much faith that I knew he was going to pull through.

And that's what, you know, what kept me going.

But yeah, I mean, you know, all these years later, that was in 2011, I'm still talking about it and break down.

You know, we still think about it, you know, as a family, you know, our life changed.

And, you know, and I'm one of the lucky ones in our family that we have Frankie with us and he only brings joy and purpose to our lives.

And everybody thinks like, oh my God, I teach him so much because he's always with me.

And, you know, he's been able to, you know, to obviously like shadow me at work and just see like what I do every day.

But what people don't know is how much he teaches me on a daily basis.

All day long, he's he's teaching me things.

I loved that scene at the dinner table with Frankie and Marisol, where he was just kind of like, you need to calm down.

And it's just like, why does no one tell her that sometimes?

But Frankie will.

It's a voice of reason.

And the thing is, since he doesn't express himself so well, because that was one of the areas in his brain that was damaged, the frontal lobe and his communication, people don't really know how much he knows.

Like, he knows everything.

You know, he just can't maybe express it like you and I, but he gets it before all of us.

Like, he's so intuitive.

Yeah.

So, it's really like fascinating to see that.

You know, I feel like the doctors themselves, that even though they save their lives, the doctors don't really know how well they do in life and how, you know, their life evolves for them.

Because, yes, they saved their life and they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for them.

But, you know, you really never know about brain injury.

It's so interesting and fascinating.

And I think it's just really like the caretaker, the person that's with them day and night that really understands them so frankie and i have a connection like i know what he's thinking and saying even before he says it and same him with me too so it's really special a mother's love for sure did you think that kiki went too far with the birthday cake for adriana i think she did and as a matter of fact i go to her room and i tell her i don't think this is a good idea right you know and especially because i knew i was going to get blamed or marisol yeah so i'm like you know what you know and you never really know how things are going to play out if you know what i mean so i'm like you know, you never know if they're going to like point, you know, pin that on me or Marisol.

So I didn't think it was a good idea.

I do think that Adriana was like over-exaggerating and, you know, playing like, you know, the pity card and the victim and the sympathy because she loves to do all that.

And instead of celebrating, you know, I see life a lot different than Adriana does.

You know, I celebrate life every single day because my son almost lost his life.

So the fact, and, you know, I lost my father at a very young age.

He was 52 years old when he died.

So I see life beautiful.

You know, I feel life, you know, like I'm grateful.

I love living.

You know, I always focus on the positive.

I'm very optimistic.

So she's like the opposite of me.

You know, I don't get it.

You know, and I, and the thing is, like, I don't get it.

So it's like, if you're going to sit there and cry all day about like that you're turning 59 and you look amazing, then you know what?

Like for you, like I feel sorry for you.

Like you need help because that's not okay.

You have to be grateful.

you know, not only for like being alive, for celebrating another year.

A lot of people don't make it to 59.

So I didn't have time for that.

But I do think it was a little distasteful for Kiki.

But, you know, I felt like maybe Kiki had to get her back because Adriana called her ratchet.

I mean, that's the truth.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I see your side because like, I mean, Adriana, she's a beautiful woman.

I mean, she looks, she looks great.

I think it was just more how Kiki went about it, right?

She tried to be kind of covert about it.

And it made it seem like she was trying to like irritate her in a way, as opposed to like, just like you, to your point, like.

Like, it was the math, you know,

happy 59th birthday, but she was like let me make maybe she's trying to get her to like her birthday, right?

Like making it like I don't know if I'm Adriana.

I feel like she should own it.

I mean, she's stunning.

She's beautiful.

She looks great.

I think so.

I mean, I think that she should own it, but if you know Adriana, you know that she likes that.

She likes like the sympathy, like the play victim.

Like that's her character.

That's her personality.

She does that about everything, not only about her age.

So, you know, you guys don't know her as well as we do.

So it didn't surprise me.

So is that hard for you to be around since you're just so opposite of her?

Yeah.

I mean, I feel like all of us have felt that way, you know, about her because she does bring like that low energy, that negative energy, complaining, whining.

You know what?

I don't got time for that.

And besides that, like I say, my life is so different from these women since the morning I wake up, it's different.

And I love my life.

And Frankie has taught me to love my life even more.

Instead of focusing on the negative, focus on the positive.

so i can't relate to her you know i can't relate to her that she's you know 59 years old and this is all you got to complain about i mean this is all you got to talk about i mean it just to me it makes no sense you know i get it you need a storyline or whatever you want to call it but you know it's like you know grow up and be grateful and go do some good things that there's you know the world needs a lot of help so just go do it what are your thoughts on the women being so opinionated about their opinion uh regarding todd and has it caused friction with you and the rest of the women specifically with Marisol?

It has, you know, like I said, I, you know, Marisol and I have already had the conversation, like, enough is enough.

You know, she said everything you have to say.

Okay, I know you love me.

You're my friend.

You have my best interest.

You know, and it's hard, you know, because in Marisol's defense, she was by my side when all this was happening.

And like a good friend, she loves me.

She's protecting me and she has, you know, her thoughts on whatever it is.

But, you know, it's been a year and a half.

And it's like, that's it.

You know, like enough about todd you know todd and i you know care about each other you know we have love for each other and um right now you know i'm focusing on my own growth on my family on my happiness and that's all i want to share right now what are your thoughts on lisa wanting to get engaged to jodi i have different thoughts about that um you know i feel that She thinks by being engaged, you know, it might bring her some type of security and stability.

And I understand that because I've been in her position before.

She has been with Jodi for a significant amount of time and they've been through a lot together.

So you kind of know, right?

I think that she might be like at that point where either we stop things or we move on.

And I think for a woman, at least for me, you know, I always have wanted once, you know, I'm in love with the person and I feel like I want to have a future with that person, I want that commitment.

And I feel like being engaged is the first step to that commitment, to that commitment.

So I understand that she feels that way.

Am I scared for her?

Yes, I am, because, you know, I've been in that position and her whole like past history with Lenny, you know, I think Jodi's a great guy and, you know, they can be happily married, but then, you know, there's the factor of the show we're on.

You know, I think that these shows are really hard on relationships.

And you guys got to see that in my personal one.

Do you disagree with the fact that Jodi texted Larsa or do you feel like, hey, they were friends?

It's fair game for him to jump.

No, I don't like the texting thing.

I'm going to be honest with you.

I don't think Jodi should be texting Larsa or Lars for Jodi.

Yeah, I've never been that kind of woman, especially if I have the friendship and the relationship with the woman.

You know, I like to clear things up with my friend, which is usually the woman.

I would love to hear what you can tell us about the finale and the reunion because we're really, really excited and looking forward to it.

Well, the finale was really strange because when you guys see it, you're going to think that it's like, wait, is that the last episode?

Because it kind of looks like it's going to be continued.

That's how I felt.

And I was in it.

I mean, I just showed up to have fun and to, you know, to be part of like a beautiful party because it was during the holidays.

And, you know, Stephanie did a beautiful job like decorating, like really feeling like it was Christmas time in Miami, which is really hard, by the way.

She even had like fake snow.

So it was like really gorgeous.

And I I was really hoping that we were just going to have like a fun Christmas party, but that didn't happen.

And there was some fun and there was not other things that we actually found out about that night.

So, you know, it's going to be kind of like a prelude to the reunion.

Okay.

What happens at the finale is kind of going to lead on to the bomb that's dropped in the reunion.

So you'll see it.

I love a little cliffhanger that bleeds into a reunion.

It really is.

The finale is like a cliffhanger.

You guys are going to think, like, oh my God, is it over?

Like, it needs to be continued.

They just released the looks for a reunion.

Other than yourself, who do you feel like was best and worst dressed?

Because you were fabulous.

Thank you.

I kind of feel like it's a popularity contest because no matter what, you know, since, you know, online, and I feel like these shows have really changed.

You know, once you have public scrutiny and like trial by public opinion, it's this whole world has changed.

Because, you know, it used to be that you would only watch, you know, see the picture like online or wherever it was.

And it was like,

you know, all like positive, good comments.

And then I feel like, even if you look beautiful and you look great, if the public doesn't like you, they hate your dress, they hate the way you look.

So, you know, I don't know what the right answer is to say, but I do want to believe that I felt confident and look and I felt good, you know, because sometimes you don't.

I love that it wasn't like a costume-ish kind of thing because I felt like our last reunion from Mexico or one, I don't know if it was not the last one.

Yeah, I think so.

But the one from Mexico, I think we, we all showed up a little costume-ish, not me, because I hate a costume.

Not even for Halloween, I like a costume.

So unless it's like a sexy, unless it's like a sexy, good kind of costume, I don't like those scary ones.

But I felt like this reunion, I think the audience didn't get what it was, but it was kind of like Miami, sexy vibes at night.

They also threw in like the ocean.

So a lot of girls, you know, decided to wear blue.

When I decided it was too late.

So that's why I went for like yellow and bold.

You know, it was kind of our mood board was kind of like all over the place, kind of like Miami and our and our personalities.

So everybody kind of just chose a color that they wanted.

I think the worst dress, you know, I liked it, but not for the occasion could be Stephanie.

because that's really not like a reunion look even though i thought it was a cool outfit like to go out at night you know like in miami or whatever it was beautiful.

If you saw it in person, it was all beaded, handmade, gorgeous.

But I think that it was a miss because it wasn't the place to do it.

It wasn't like a reunion look.

So great look, wrong place, wrong time.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

But I thought all the girls look great, honestly.

I thought Marisol looked beautiful in her blue dress.

Julia, I know people are not liking Julia this season, but that doesn't mean that she didn't look good for the reunion.

She still looked good.

Just because they're not liking her this season is like, oh, like they're like, it's terrible.

I'm like, it's so, like, first of all, it's not a popularity contest or if you like the person or not.

And that's what I love to say about me.

I may not like somebody.

Like I said, Adriana, when I wasn't liking her, I was like, you know, I don't like you, but like, I like your song.

You know, when she made the fire song.

Yeah.

You know, I don't like you.

Like, I know how to separate those two things.

So I feel like people need to learn on that.

Like, they need to, okay, I may not like you, but I could recognize that you did look good

on reunion day or whatever.

Alexia, the objective queen.

Yeah, literally.

I really am.

I really am.

I don't know what I'm doing in this friend group, but yeah.

You know what?

We, you, every, every crazy group needs someone who keeps people grounded.

So you can please.

No, but I recognize my own faults too.

I mean, I'm not saying, like I said, you know, I felt like I, this reunion, I felt good, but I think it also has a lot to do with like where you are like inside.

You know, reunions have never been like my strength.

I actually don't like them.

And, um, but for whatever reason, you know, this reunion, I, you know, I showed up like happier and lighter, yeah.

So, you guys will see that too.

Alexia, I do have one question.

I've been seeing rumors in the press, dare you say, that some of your castmates are on the chopping block for next season.

I can name them, but I'm curious whether you think any of those are true or if they're purely just like names being thrown out there, or if you have any opinions whether they whether they're true or not, how you, you know, whether,

what would you do?

Well, I want to start by saying that I i feel that the cast we have now is perfect i agree and i really do feel that because i feel what makes it so perfect is that we're all actually real friends

and even though we have disagreements we've always managed to come back to a better place have the conflict kind of resolve it move along we've been able to do that I'm actually scared this season because I don't know that some of the girls are going to be able to do that.

And this is the first time I've ever felt that.

And, but with that being said, if it were to me, I think we have the perfect cast because we each bring something different.

And I think that we've shown it.

And we have such a great group of ladies, you know, and I loved Stephanie coming in this season.

I thought she was a great addition.

Yeah, some people are going to love her.

Some people are going to hate her.

Welcome to the world.

Like, that's what it is.

Like, this is the world we live in.

And if it wouldn't be for social media, like, nobody would know, like, what people think about us.

Because back in the day, it was only like you would watch the show.

And by the way, there's some people that I have friends that do not have social media that just watch the show.

So their opinion is only, you know, formulated on based on the show, what they're watching on the show.

Now, I have friends that don't even watch the show.

All they're watching social media.

So it's like little clips.

And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, you guys can't do that.

That's being manipulated.

And, you know, it's other, you know, blogs, whatever.

So it's like, it's, these shows have really like taken such a turn.

And it's it's so much more difficult for us to do because of that.

It creates a lot of conflict, you know, between the cast members, between, you know, your relationships, between it's, it's just, yeah, it's like a hot mess.

I wish social media would disappear.

Justin, who's on the, who's on the rumored shopping blog?

I was trying, I was trying to deflect, you guys.

I'm going to do my job, Alexia, you know?

Yeah.

The names that have been floating are Julia, Audreya, and Kiki.

Disagree with that.

Gertie, too.

I think Gertie might have been one, too.

I hope everybody's back.

Keep everyone.

You guys are incredible.

I think so, too.

I think they need to keep everyone.

And,

you know,

we never disappoint, you know, and like I said, I think we're all at a point that we're such good friends that we are comfortable with each other.

And I think that that makes it so much, so much better.

What's the rumored reasons, Justin?

Because to Alexia's point, I feel like...

you know, the fans have really responded to this season.

It's, you know, a lot of people are enjoying it.

Like, if it's not broke, don't fix it.

But, like, what are the rumor?

What are the reasons for these rumors?

Are they individual to each cast member or is it like a shake-up?

I don't know that there's even any logic to like the rumors.

I don't know, Sierra, if you've read anything specifically.

I think people are just maybe based on bloggers.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think also they look at, um, you know, I think it's like a lot of the online.

Unfortunately, I think it's a lot of the online.

Yeah.

And it's like the blogs, you know, it's like the bloggers, you know, if they don't like you, they're going to create this whole like negative campaign towards you and towards your character and your persona, you know, and I feel like, you know what, like not every season is going to be great for everyone.

And I feel like you need to give people second chances and an opportunity.

Okay, well, maybe I, you know, wasn't that great.

And maybe I did a lot of things or said a lot of things I shouldn't have done or said.

But you know what?

Give people a chance.

You know, for everybody, it's just like, oh, you know, like cancel them or, or, you know, fire them.

And I don't know.

I mean, I like like to give people second chances.

And I think that the world should be more open to that.

Give people a chance to prove themselves.

Obviously, they do it two or three times.

Okay, I get you.

You feel the way you do.

But, you know, and at the end of the day, guys, this is like a TV show.

But like I said, I think social media has just taken it to a different level, unfortunately.

Well said, Alexia.

We couldn't agree more.

We can't thank you enough for your time.

Next time you're in LA, we'll have to have you in the studio.

For sure.

So much fun.

We appreciate you.

Thanks for coming on, and we're excited to see the rest of the season.

Thank you, guys.

Love talking to you guys.

Take care, bye-bye.

Thank you, Alexia.

Bye, thank you.

What a sweetheart, Alexia.

I know.

I wish we could have met her in person.

I want to hear more of her story, you know.

Like, she seems like she has so much to unpack, and there's so much to her that I, yeah, I want to peel back some of those links.

Humanizing housewives is one of my favorite parts of this job because it's so

easy to like talk our shit.

And like, the way the show edits the show, it's just

but it's it i really like learning more about these women um it's always fun yeah i also just love when a housewife is dodging a question and it goes well wait hold on can you just see who's the person that you were referencing yeah that was great all right well up next madison pennis joins the show to talk about her new movie the wrong paris which is a spoof on shows like The Bachelor and Love Island, all your favorite reality TV shows.

She is up next.

Madison, welcome to the show.

Hey, how are you guys?

We're so good.

How are you?

I'm great.

I'm excited to be here.

We're very excited to have you.

I feel like it's been a long time coming, but you are on the new hit movie on Netflix, The Wrong Paris.

We watched it last night.

It's a ton of fun.

Well, first, I just want to like ask you, as someone who obviously comes from the reality TV world, we also have a friend Victoria Fuller here, who's also a card-carrying member of Bachelor Nation.

Hey,

whole squad's here.

Are you a fan of reality TV?

Like, have you always watched it on your own?

Or is this something you really had to get into and study as for prepping for this role?

I've like dabbled in reality TV.

I'm not like an avid watcher.

I don't tune into all of the shows every season, every episode.

I, you know, I've seen tons of The Bachelor, dabbled in some Love Island, and then for this, I got more into like Southern Charm a little bit and started to get into that, you know, Southern spirit for this one.

Yeah, so I was hoping, how did you guys think we did?

Did we make you proud?

Was it accurate, traumatizing, triggering?

You know, here's how i can explain this like i like when you come from a world you're like sensitive to it how it's portrayed like when when when do you remember the movie cheaper by the dozen yes

so like i have 10 brothers and sisters right and so when i watched that movie i was always like it's nothing like this

like very

sensitive to like certain things you know so like it's it's very hard for me to watch something that i know so much about the behind the scenes without being like too earnest about it.

I think overall, like, you know, it's just like your character that you play, obviously, like, you did such a great job of playing the like, you know, the, the, the trope kind of reality TV character, which the, you know, listen, like, some stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason because, like,

you know, in that world, it is a very narcissistic kind of like social media following.

You know, there's a lot of people, like, there's a lot of great people you meet in reality TV and there's a lot of people you're like, now I'm associated with you yeah you know like now yeah now people are gonna say we're the same they're not flying us first class

right you weren't on a private jet going there yeah

i have noticed that and like i don't know how you fly madison but i i noticed this for basically every tv show or every movie scene that the planes in in hollywood have so much legroom yeah yeah they do it's because you need the space for the in the aisles for the cameras and the equipment camera operators, the crew, the boom operator.

Like they have to have space to operate.

So it has to be a really nice, spacious plane that does not exist.

Unless you were flying private, which at least this plane was a private plane.

But yeah, when you're seeing people sitting in like 32D, but you just have like two feet of legroom.

It's like, yeah.

Not the most realistic, you know.

I mean, I got to imagine playing a character in reality TV must be a lot of fun.

Did you guys do much like almost improv or just kind of goofing around?

Or was it, was it pretty like stay on strip no our director janine really encouraged us to improv and play around and have a lot of fun with it and that's like the best part of making these kind of comedy movies and she really wanted us to lean into like big broad comedy like you know go for it go all the way to like you know bridesmaids like i feel like those like movies where there's like the scenes just get crazy like our obstacle course scene like half of that was improv and you know the line where i say pilates baby where i have my head my legs around her head in a chokehold like that was improv i came up with in our stunt rehearsals and yvon orgy who's like one of my favorite actors who plays Rachel the producer.

She's from Insecure.

She had lived so much just at the table read.

I was howling listening to her and like pretty much everything she improv made into the script.

So making those comedy movies is like just the most fun on set.

You can joke around and the more fun you're having offset, the more it translates on screen.

So we had a blast.

Is it fun to play a more of a villainous character than a straight character?

Yeah, I've played like the Moon Girl a couple times now.

I don't know what everyone's trying to say about me giving me these Moongirl.

I swear I'm a really nice girl.

It is fun.

It's fun to play something that's not like yourself and just like you know tap into that and doing the southern accent was fun i've never gone to do an accent in a project before so that was fun and i'm from texas originally so getting back to my roots felt felt good

yeah did you know

you must have known there was a paris texas i did not know there was a paris texas there is there is paris texas it is famous and there's apparently 22 other parises in america wow which is crazy yeah interesting interesting my favorite thing about paris texas is that there's the plays paris texas there's the movie paris texas yes there's the lana del ray song paris texas and there's also a band paris texas is there really there's also a shoe company called paris texas makes very cute shoes oh my god

someone someone needs to

yeah can you trademark a city trademark

i don't know was it was there a lot of nostalgia working with miranda cosgrove so much yeah i loved watching her grow up.

I was super excited to work with her.

And I was surprised we hadn't met in our course of our lives because our career trajectories were pretty similar growing up.

But she's like one of my really good friends now.

She is an angel and so fun and so talented.

And her comedic timing is so good.

Just watching her work was hilarious.

She was cracking me up and like, it was just giving me Megan from Drake and Josh.

It was giving me Carly.

It was giving me all the things that I loved watching growing up.

So it was really fun to work with her and just watch her play.

She's great.

If you were forced to to go on a reality TV show like our lead character seemed to be in the movie,

what would be the least torturous for you?

A dating one or just like any reality in general?

No, I guess any reality in general.

The only one I would probably like.

do okay at would be like dancing with the stars.

That's probably the only one that I would actually be able to succeed at.

Do you have a dancing background at all?

Yeah, I did competitive dancing before.

I started acting from like four to eight.

And then I danced in my first movie, The Game Plan.

We did ballet.

and now still to this day, I do like drop-in classes.

I do like hip-hop or heels classes.

I don't do it as religiously as I used to.

I wish I committed to it my whole life, but once I got busier with acting, I stopped, I stopped dancing.

And I'm like, I would have been so good if I just like stuck with it.

Like, don't give up on your hobbies.

Keep up with that because I would have been really good, but I still, I still drop in and do classes.

I love that.

At least you're still doing it, you know?

Yeah, you don't use it, you lose it.

No, I'm still like decent.

I'm just like, I could have killed it.

Could have been on, so you think you can dance.

Would you do dancing with the stars if

your agent picked up the phone and said, hey, we got an offer?

I don't know.

Maybe one day.

I don't know.

Her official application.

It would make my grandma really happy.

So maybe I'll do it for my grandma.

I will say

it's just a fun

show to do.

It's silly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've like gone to live taping and stuff and like, it's a lot of work.

It's a lot of like.

time dedicated.

So that's why I would have to think about it because it would take me out of like acting and stuff for a while while you're locked in and rehearsing and getting ready for it but it seems like they all have a great time yeah it's like full-time job i would just want to be snatched they do get in such good shape i know they do they really do yeah i don't have to win

i want to watch myself right disappear

you used you've acted with the rock before yeah

i mean you were younger that but like do you have like a dream um you know any dream list of actors in hollywood that like you would love to like perform or act with you you mentioned uh you know working with Miranda and having obviously been in the same circles, but never worked together.

Like what is that like to

be working with someone you know so well who's a huge name?

What people would you like to potentially work with?

I have a huge list.

I mean, I think I'd love to work with some of my favorite comedians.

I think, like I said, working on comedy stuff and getting to work with...

people who are so naturally funny and love to improv and riff and begunter and play makes like the set so fun.

So I'd love to work with Molly Shannon is one of my favorites.

Julie Louie Dreyfus, I think, is the funniest person on earth.

I've like obsessed with everything she's done.

V New Adventures of Christine, I'm obsessed with her.

Bob Odenkirk and Brian Cranston from like Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.

They're so funny and like had comedy backgrounds, but then I've also done such great dramatic work.

And that's what I see for myself in my career too is being.

able to do comedy and drama.

I think people think that comedy is like easier and that drama like takes all this skill, but like I think they're equally challenging.

And comedians are often so good at doing dramatic work too.

So some of my favorite actors are like that that have had a real balance of comedy and drama.

But yeah, just off the top of my head, those are some of my favorites.

And I'd love to work with like the SNL ladies that are like, you know, that friend group of like Maya Rudolph.

I want her to play my mom.

I feel like that would be so fun.

Tina Fey, Aby Pohler, Kristen Wig.

I want to have like lunch with them because like they all talk about like just hanging out and I would just love to like be a fly on the wall for their conversations, but actually working with them would be the dream.

I was once in line with Molly Molly Shannon at Largemont Wine and Cheese.

Oh my God.

She was like three people ahead.

And I was like,

I didn't say hi.

We didn't hang out or have lunch, but it was a cool moment for me.

She's so funny.

Have you ever read Molly Shannon's book?

Yes.

It's so good.

Her stories are nuts.

The thing she talks about with the Mammoth scam is one of the best.

She scammed a bunch of people in like an agency, basically, by pretending that she

worked for David Mammot and she would recommend herself and her friend and people like believed her and she got twin peek, like a roll in twin peaks out of it.

It is one of the most like life-affirming stories I've ever heard about.

Yeah, she has taken so many big swings in her life.

When she and her friend like ran away to New York and just like jumped on a plane when they were like little kids.

And her dad was like, where did you guys go?

Like her stories are nuts.

She's such a good storyteller.

I saw you recently talking about growing up in this industry and whatever and having your mom be like such a big support system for you and being like, I think, you know, you hear a lot of the stories of of the negatives but your your mom seemed like she was great and very positive and was like hey anytime that you i think you said this anytime that you're not happy like you're out we're going home like yeah this isn't something you have to do what was your mom's reaction to this film in particular

um she loved this movie i mean she's always so supportive and you know, honest with me when she watches my stuff, but she loved this one and she loved my southern accent.

And she loves, she can tell that I had a lot of fun with this one.

So that made her happy.

And just seeing seeing me do comedies like she's always just like you're always just so naturally funny you've been cracking like I'm I make my mom laugh a lot

I'm like a pretty funny person my mom like totally thinks I'm funny yeah my mom tells me I'm so funny

and that's how I know I'm talented

so she she got a kick out of it as she as she always does did she watch it like the rest of us did just like at home Netflix and chill one night yeah she came uh to set to Vancouver and saw a little bit and then I brought her to Paris with me when we went and filmed the last part of the movie in Paris because that was my first time there.

And it was her first time.

So I took her to Paris.

So she saw bits and pieces in real life.

And then we watched it probably a month or two before it came out.

I showed it to her.

I was so shocked by that at the end.

I was like, wait, they have to be on a set somewhere, right?

Y'all are in front of the F.

We were really

in Paris.

Yeah.

I was so excited.

I can't believe I've always wanted to go to Paris.

I was like top of my bucket list.

And then actually filming something there is so rare.

I was like, we're actually going to Paris and they're paying for it.

Yeah.

It was crazy.

Yeah, it was was crazy.

And filming directly in front of the Eiffel Tower was like the most pinch-free moment ever.

And our last night filming, it was supposed to be filming literally the last scene, which is rare that you film like the last scene on the last day.

And we're filming in front of the Eiffel Tower, and that's why we're there.

And we were filming an overnight from 6 p.m.

to 6 a.m.

And they had paid to keep the lights on.

Our production paid to keep the lights on on the Eiffel Tower all night because they shut off normally at like 2 a.m.

or something.

Yeah.

So we worked from like 6 p.m.

to like midnight, took our lunch break at midnight, and then came back and it was pouring rain, like torrential downpour.

We're like, okay, we'll wait out the rain a little bit.

And then the lights just go off on the F Tower.

And everyone was like, oh,

who do we call now?

And everyone was scrambling, trying to call Paris, the government, and no one was answering.

It was 2 a.m.

And we were like, oh, we can't finish the movie.

Like, we're here to film in front of the bright lights of the Eiffel Tower.

We have an arrangement.

We have an arrangement.

Yeah.

And apparently the Summer I Turn Pretty was also filming that same week their finale.

Yes.

And apparently they also paid to keep the lights on the Eiffel Tower, and that didn't work out.

That's just what I heard.

I can't confirm

the Eiffel Tower scamming people.

They were scamming people left, right, and center.

And we came back the next day and finished the movie.

Luckily, we were able to do that.

But yeah, it was a crazy filming experience in Paris.

That's awesome.

Yeah, that's wild.

Now,

as a show that obviously highlights dating and dates, what would be your ideal reality TV dream date?

Oh, man.

That's a good one.

Or just real date, I guess, you know?

Yeah.

Helicopter bungee jumping.

Yeah.

Do not take me bungee jumping.

The worst is when a guy's like, oh, let's go on our go on a hike for our first date.

I'm like, oh, great.

I have to, like,

yeah, I have to heave ho-oh.

My hobbies, my favorite color.

Yeah.

Other than hiking, give me your three worst date ideas you've ever been asked to do.

Oh, I mean, that's probably...

probably the worst because everything else has just been pretty standard like dinner drinks something i went on a date once and the guy wanted to go to this like breakfast place and we drove like kind of far to go there, and it was closed.

So that was a little awkward, but like, you know, nothing.

I haven't had like too many horrible,

like, out there dates.

The dates have been bad because of the guy, not because of the scenario.

I've had bad dates, let me be clear, just not because of the scenario.

It was more personality.

It was more personality for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It just didn't click.

But dream dates,

maybe like a sporting event.

Okay.

Who's your team?

I'm a Warriors fan.

Okay.

Let's go.

Yeah.

You're basketball.

I didn't even know.

I don't even know.

No, I don't even know.

Sorry, that's basketball.

That's Steph Curry's team.

Yeah, maybe a sporting event would be fun.

I love like Disneyland, but that does kind of require like a full day commitment.

So that would, that couldn't be like a first date.

I don't want to spend like 12 hours with you if I don't know that we're going to get along.

That's how we're going to have to be in love to go to Disneyland.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a lot of waiting in line.

It is.

You really, really have to like chit chat.

You do.

The most brutal ghosting of all time.

If you were like, I'm just going to go to the bathroom and don't come back.

Leave him at Disneyland.

He's just like standing there with two churros, like waiting for you to come back.

He's just crying.

I'm like,

but I got you a funnel cake.

Oh, my God.

It's so sad.

That's amazing.

Well, Madison, it's been so much fun having you on.

The movie's great.

It's called for anyone who's listening, The Wrong Paris.

It's streaming now on Netflix.

Check it out.

I know everyone listening will be a fan of this movie because I know most of you love reality TV.

And it's just a very fun callback to that world and that space.

And it was a lot of fun to watch you on it, Madison.

And it was great.

Oh, we have a game.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Wait, do you have a game?

I'm sorry.

We have a game before we're going to let you go, Madison.

Let's play a game.

Let's do it.

Mary, take it away.

Yeah, I got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

Sorry, I'm still.

Okay, so our game that we're playing with you is called Paris, France, or Texas.

Cool.

So we're going to redo some things that are, you know, Texas things and Paris things.

And you have to choose if you want the Paris thing or the Texas thing.

Okay.

Would you rather be a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader or a Parisian model?

A Parisian model.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's going against my roots, but

they make more money.

No, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't, Jerry doesn't really pay.

And it's a shame.

Yeah.

Would you rather be proposed to at the Eiffel Tower or get free Whataburger for the rest of your life?

Free Whataburger for the rest of my life.

Hell yeah.

That's easy.

One chicken basket with Texas toast all day, every day.

Large Dr.

Pepper, the size of my head, in a styrofoam cup.

I'm hungry today.

Tocova cowboy boots or Louboutins?

Louboutins.

Would you rather never eat barbecue again or never eat a baguette ever again?

Oh, never eat a baguette.

I love barbecue.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Pits.

Would you rather have your first date at the Texas State Fair or the Louvre?

Maybe really similar.

Maybe the Texas.

They're so similar.

Maybe the Texas State Fair.

The Louvre, I feel like, is also lots of fucking.

Yeah.

Well, like, there's more art.

You don't think that the Texas State Fair is art?

If the guy's like really into art and history, then it's just going to kind of feel like he's like.

like giving him a list

and if he knows nothing then what are we talking about you know yeah

i would think it yeah kind of feels like a lose lose there he's like oh monetalisa's Lisa's smaller.

Cool.

A lose-lose.

Yeah.

A lose-lose.

Good.

Okay.

Austin City Limits or a Canned Film Festival?

Oh.

Canned Film Festival.

Matthew McConaughey or Timothy Chalamet.

Timothy Chalamet is kind of French.

Yeah, he's.

We.

I'll go Timmy.

Okay.

Rodeo or French Cafe?

Rodeo?

I've never done a rodeo.

I feel like I should.

I've seen Texas rodeo.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Would you rather date a cowboy or a mom?

Oh,

let me think about this.

She's like, I never have to listen to him talk.

So that's

finally a man that shuts up.

Oh, my God.

Not a bad.

I'm going to go cowboy.

Please banter with me.

Do something.

Okay, finally, would you rather have to wear a cowboy hat every single day of your life or a beret every single day of your life?

You can never take them off.

Neither of those are good options.

Yeah, that's brutal.

That's tough.

Probably a beret because cowboy hats are so cute, but they get on my nerves a little bit.

I feel like you constantly have to lift them up to see properly.

And they bump into things.

They do.

Yeah.

They're a little big.

Covers a lot of my hair.

But I have really bad flat hat hair.

Yeah.

We'll go beret.

Okay.

But I'll have to like tell people that like, I'm going to have to like have a French accent or something to make it like part of my personality.

Otherwise, just like girl wearing beret.

Yeah.

Now I'm gonna become Emily and Pettis.

Madison Pettis is like not stop wearing a beret.

I don't know.

See, like she's trying something.

I don't know.

She's going to be a little bit more.

She took like 23 and me and she's really embracing that French side.

I am our French guys.

I am.

She's method acting.

Madison.

Well, does that do it for our gay mary?

Yeah, that's it.

That's all I got.

Madison, so much fun.

Again, the movie is The Wrong Paris.

It's streaming now on Netflix.

It's a great movie.

Everyone listening, check it out if you haven't already.

For all of those who love the reality TV world, which I know many of you do, it's a ton of fun.

It's really great.

Madison, thanks for joining us.

It's been so much fun.

That was so fun.

Thanks for having me, guys.

Good to see you.

Good to see you.

Come back when we're in person.

Yes.

I love that.

Bye.

Bye.

All right.

Well, that will do it for today's episode.

Thank you to all our guests, Chris Clemens, Alexia Nepola, and Madison Pettis.

And thank you guys for listening.

If you haven't listened to the Going Deeper episode with Teresa Judice, it is out.

It's available.

It is a must-listen or watch.

Other than that, we'll see you back on Monday.

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