E1010 - Rachel Lindsay, DIVORCED Nicole Kidman/Keith Urban, RHOSLC, Love Is Blind, DWTS & Bachelor Thoughts

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Va Files Reality Recap Edition.

I am your host, Nick, with my wife.

The household is here.

We're back in LA in the new studio.

And I got to say, guys, you really crushed it.

The household

really came together.

We weren't even here.

We just worked over together.

Yeah,

we were like, you got this?

We were doing the lake house.

We were literally doing the lake house, but you guys really crushed it.

Not you.

You weren't there.

Sierra.

Let's give credit where credit's due, not to Sierra.

Credit to Justin.

Sweet boy Justin really dominated

this thing.

Also, Mary wasn't here either.

No, I wasn't.

I was here.

I was here for some of it.

Doing Florida things.

Yeah.

Mary was still very helpful.

More helpful than Sierra.

Okay.

Certainly more helpful than Sierra.

Not as helpful as Justin.

Not as helpful as Justin.

Well, you guys did great.

I hope for those watching, or if you're listening, be sure to check it out on YouTube.

It really looks like a household.

We're really doing we're in someone's living room.

I don't know whose living room it is, but we're in their living room.

It's ours.

ours it's like it's the household living room household and you guys welcome to our household we have a very exciting episode lots to get into we had the premiere of love is blind denver right denver style what season are we in nine nine i made that up i don't know is it nine that's a good guess i think it's more eight i think it's eight eight i think it's eight i'm pretty sure it's eight yeah it's season it's season nine per

in menver commonly known as menver man it was back in the day because there's so many men because there's so many many men.

I don't know if it still is.

Mary, can you?

I've never been.

Menver.

Is Denver still referred to as Menver?

And what is the dating ratio in Denver?

Sounded pretty.

Let's see.

Is Denver still referred to as Menver?

Well, Mary looks that up.

Also, what's going on this episode?

Rachel Lindsay is joining the show momentarily.

Our queen.

You know her from lots of things.

Very successful, very accomplished queen that she is.

Long time ago, she was also on.

You are falling in love.

Nope.

Well, I mean, we're falling in respect of each other.

Anyways, Rachel is here to talk all things bravo.

Some love is blah.

And we'll catch up with Rachel, see what's going on in her life.

She is our first in-person guest at the new studio, which I think is fitting because she was one of our first, she was one of my first guests on the Vafiles a long time ago.

She's been on a few times, so she is returning to the show.

We'll get into some dancing with the stars as well.

They've really modernized that show.

I'm obsessed with it.

It's so much more fun than when I was on it.

Why do do you say that because of their beat bopping and like no nick was like it looks so much easier to make no no no no no i don't want to say nick nick i have a confession to make last night when i was watching dancing with the stars i did go back and watch some of your dances just because i was curious and i've never seen them before what do you think uh you did a great job i looked scared the whole time um a little but only because i know you What did you think of his Pinocchio?

That was my best work.

More so his beard, his lack of beard.

The puppet was really good.

That was my best work.

It was like they gave all.

No, no, my favorite was when you jumped onto the rope in the ceiling and got whisked away.

What?

What?

What?

That was the worst.

That was my last dance.

That one I have nightmares about because it was my favorite dance.

It felt really good about it.

And then my legs cramped up in the middle of the dance because I didn't drink any water during the day because I was like kind of nervous and it was just a whole nightmare.

And then I got eliminated that day.

I wish I could do that.

one again but no they they like i they're just modernizing it they're just kind of having more you know it's ballroom dancing dancing.

Like, we'll get into it later, but

it's a lot of fun to watch these days.

If you're not checking it out,

you should.

I do have the facts about Menver.

Oh,

yeah.

So Denver is not officially or widely referred to as Menver.

However, it was once referred to in slang as Menver, but the nickname has fallen largely out of use

because it's not like...

Yeah,

the ladies hear about a lot of eligible men and they all moved?

Well, basically, though the term was sometimes supported by data showing a male-heavy population, its validity was frequently debated and it became outdated over time.

And by 2024, it was like, nah.

The ladies moved back in.

That was Fember.

Fember.

Fember.

I have a question.

Has River started cursing yet?

Unfortunately, no.

Honestly, kind of shocked she hasn't because of Nick's Sailor Mouth.

Do you curse around her?

She does say something that sounds like oh shit, but I just, I, I curse.

I just, it's just part of my vocab you know it's just that's why the moms are mad at us because they can't listen to this with their kids in the car because they're like nick cusses so much i'm really i'm sorry guys should we bleep the swear words no that's so much worse

the editing too no moms like we all know you swear we we know you swear and when your child swears just blame it on me yeah yeah you know what i am just i'll i can be your scapegoat uncle i'll wear that she did start saying yuck which is really she's a a bit jet lagged because we were coming from the central time zone from the lake.

So she woke up at four in the morning and was like, dada, yuck.

And then I had to go change her diaper because it was a little soaked through.

And while I'm changing her, she goes, dada, yuck, daddy, yuck, daddy, yuck, daddy, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck.

Which is, if you've listened to the show, yuck.

One of my favorite words to say.

So I don't know how, I think Allison

taught it to her one of our holidays.

She was sticking a like ball that God knows where it came from in this studio, but she was eating it and allison was like hey yeah that's my stress ball yeah why do you ask layo well so lala posted a video of ocean saying she was calling her i think half-sister riley a bitch

and ocean was calling ocean was like doing a was recording a video and she called riley a bitch and then la la had happened to be walking by as she did that and was kind of like what did you just say and then she she just happened to be recording it was good parenting Well, it wasn't live, I don't think.

I think Lala posted the video later.

No, it sounds like she gives Ocean the phone to record her little videos like she's making vlogs, but they probably just don't go anywhere.

But this one she posted because, yeah, she literally was just like, Yeah, Riley's a bitch.

And I was like, What did you just say?

Didn't she say she heard it from her dad?

Yeah.

She was like, Where did you hear that word?

She did.

And she was like, My dad.

I bet I'm not surprised at Randall's calling people bitches.

Yeah.

Left no shock there.

Yeah.

Then Ocean, didn't she say my mom got mad at me and that makes my feelings really hurt yeah she did it was really cute honestly i thought lala did like a good job like same do you think randall's referring to lala as your mom's your mom's such a bitch yeah probably probably not to her but definitely like on the phone in conversations probably like that asked for da da da da da and she's like

great for sure she actually just it was so sad she lala was just talking about i guess how she went and like had her will made or something and she's like you know once you get to a certain point in life you got to, you know, have a will.

And she was basically saying that, like, she's like, if she were to die, she was like, Ocean would obviously go to her father.

And she was like, and she would probably never see like Sosa, her sister, ever again, or like her.

She really feels that way.

She feels really good.

Is Randall that much of a monster?

I think so.

I don't know.

I'm personally.

You think Randall would be like, let's go to.

Well, I mean, I don't know, but you would think that, however, if you, if you have a speck of a heart for, or, or, or speck of love for your child, selflessly, regardless of how you might feel yeah that would be your child's sibling and therefore you would want to go out of your way but you're right randall's probably a heartless bitch yes a heartless bitch yeah you know you know who else is a heartless bitch me and you

me why i am a heartless bitch because ever since i have had a kid i have been so mean to my dog and Let me, let me just paint the picture here.

This dog was everything to me, brought her everywhere, cutest thing in the whole world.

And now, like, I just don't know what to do because I have no patience for her anymore.

And she is just panting all the time.

And I'm just like, she wants to play.

And I'm like, yeah, no, of course you do.

But like, I literally cannot.

Yeah, Lady and the Tramp nailed it.

Yeah, they did.

They did.

And that was so sad.

Maybe this is sexist.

I don't know.

But it's, it's just you ladies.

Well, because we're the ones who are constantly being touched by our children.

Yeah.

Attached at the boob.

Or at the Terrilli.

But no, you're not alone.

And I think that's a very very common feeling amongst moms, new moms, because they, it is, it's so much

with newborns and babies and toddlers because you're doing so much all day.

You're breastfeeding.

They're non-stop want to be held or touching you or calling you or whatever it is.

River's very much in her, like, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, peas, mama, peas, mama, peas.

And I, yeah.

And when the dog is like wanting you, dropping their wet, slobbery ball onto your lap, you're like, I will

get rid of you.

Has Louis started eating bugs yet?

Excuse me?

No, but he does on the topic of dogs eat, try to eat the dog food all the time.

Oh, dog food.

Okay, I thought you were going to go.

Hey, I tried to, I remember when I was little one time, I thought, you know, how they make like scooby snacks that are graham crackers and then scooby snacks that are actual dog treats.

My brother told me the opposite was true, and then I ate like a scooby snack that was a dog treat.

Y'all, so I've talked about

my cousins who live in Spain, they're from, they're born in Spain, live in Spain, whatever.

They would come every summer to the States and they'd come to Alabama and like, you know, see us, see my grandparents, whatever.

And I remember we went to Petco and you know how they had like the buffet of dog treats.

Oh, yeah, the like edible ones.

My cousin from Spain was like, oh my God, free cookies.

And like literally ate one of each.

She was probably like eight years old.

And finally, she's like, these don't taste good.

We're like, wait, no.

There's a lot of chicken flavor.

She's like, yeah, really like bacony.

I was expecting chocolate chip.

Yeah.

The fact that she just kept going.

But it's like, they probably don't have that in Spain.

And she's like, one of these have to be a good flavor.

One of them got to be a good one.

Something about things being free.

Yeah.

I don't care how much.

They're not free.

You like build your own.

It's like a candy store.

You like it.

You get a kid, you know, like you get something new.

You know, it feels free.

Do you remember Mrs.

Field's cookies?

Yes.

Yeah.

That's how she blew up was because she would give the older cookies in the day that were made out to for free to test for the customers because nobody came.

And so then all of a sudden, the line would start because people chasted the cookies and then would get in line to buy them.

Oh, well, Natalie, Georgia, they have Publix in Georgia, right?

Of course.

Publix, as a kid, when you're a kid, you get free cookies.

Oh, every time you go to Publix,

they have the little thing.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

The sprinkles?

The sprinkle cookies?

The chocolate chip as well.

I'll pull it inside me.

They're so good.

I heard crumble cookies are.

No, no, no.

I've been on.

No.

I've been on Crumble Cookie TikTok and it's been showing like what

the equivalent of the amount of sugar yeah and it'll be like 52 liters of coke

really it's the equivalent of one crumble i don't really fuck with crumble cookie i don't find them to be that good i actually i taste how much unnecessary crap we had we had them at our wedding we had the mini ones at our wedding yeah um and i feel like the mini killed you all

yeah i hope everyone's okay this is why nick had to cut out sugar he had all of it i had all of the sugar yeah guys i still haven't had any sugar in 2025 which has been so sad because we were obviously at the lake, and Nick's mom was like, Oh, I want to bake cookies.

I want to bake this.

And then she was like, It's Nick's birthday.

What should I bake him?

And I was like, He won't eat anything.

My mom was like, I want to make cookies.

And I said, Well, that's cool, but I won't have any.

And then she did not.

Because if I'm not going to eat it, mom doesn't make it.

Baby boy, sweet baby boy, Nicky.

She's like, Fuck Natalie.

I'm not making it for this bitch.

And then I was like, Could you do them gluten-free?

And she was like, Absolutely fucking not.

Like, it's just not

true.

She's like, Is it your birthday?

They're not for you, first of all.

I will say it is nice to see Natalie and my mom bond often.

Well, Natalie had, you mentioned it last episode.

She had some anxiety

with River, just like being around, like River tripped and fell and whatever, and, you know, got a little boo-boo.

But it is sweet to see.

When it comes to mom stuff, Natalie and my mom really, really bond over stuff.

My mom, obviously, being a mom of 11 has been through it.

Right, right.

So she's a nice

nice resource.

Maybe I don't.

I see it, but maybe you don't feel that.

No, 100% I do.

Yeah.

No, I love your mom.

She's great.

Does she know to put the waffle in the toaster?

She actually

asked for it.

Too soon.

Not for me.

Not for her either.

Anyways, I think Rachel Lindsay is here, so we're going to bring her on and get into all things reality TV.

That's up next.

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Rachel, welcome back.

I'm happy to be back, guys.

So, what do you think of our new studio?

It looks fantastic.

And it's super convenient for me.

Much closer.

For us, really.

Yeah,

I was thinking of the three of us.

I was thinking of the three of us.

Like, why would you get Rachel on the show more often?

Put it five minutes away from her.

It's been a while since I've been back.

Like, I was thinking about that.

I thought I was just here, but no.

No.

Last time you were here, I think it was right before you announced your divorce.

Okay, let's clear some things up about this.

Yes.

People were really upset.

I mean, people supported me, right?

But people were like, the articles are like, she was just on the file files and she was saying all these things.

And I was like, this is really great for them.

But when I came in, I did not know

that we were going to get.

Because it was like right around the house.

It was right around the holidays.

It was right before Christmas.

I remember being like, well, thanks a lot, Rachel.

But I did not know at that time that I like, we were having issues for sure.

I mean, right?

I didn't wake up one morning, but I did not know that, and I forgot I did the podcast that we were going to, the filing was going to happen, that I was going to ask for it,

then the sneak filing.

I did not know that was going to happen.

Wait, so you filed and he sneaked?

No, no, no, no.

I didn't file.

I asked.

You were like, I want the D.

Yeah, I asked.

And then it was like,

do you not like to say it?

I was just

saying.

Oh, my God.

It's early in the morning.

Yes, the D.

Okay.

No, I asked.

And then it was like he didn't hear me say it.

And then he said it almost like.

It was like, you're not breaking up with me.

I'm breaking up with you.

It felt like that.

But so I really thought it was like an amicable thing.

And little did I know, because this was New Year's Eve.

Right.

So

very close to after.

Yeah.

I came here and I was just like, okay, like we're going to handle this, you know, privately, all these things.

And then bam, the first, I mean, that's what my case filing is 0001.

We're the number one case filing.

Wow.

And he had no New Year's Eve plans.

Like, what should I do?

Dude, it was crazy.

He said to me, are we, I usually have people over.

And so he was like, are you, are we having people over?

But for me, I knew.

that because I had just come from Dallas.

I had just like buried my grandmother.

Something had happened that I don't want to talk about because I want to write about it that week where I was like, yeah, I talked to my parents and I was like, I have specific questions to ask and I'm going to ask them.

If I don't get the answer, I feel like we need to move forward, then I'm asking for it.

And I didn't.

So I was like, yeah, I think I want a divorce.

But then he said it too.

He must have already had an attorney, like must have been anticipating it.

Because like I said, we were having issues.

But when I came on this podcast, I was very serious.

I had just frozen my eggs.

We really were trying.

You were hopeful.

Yes.

Well, I was hopeful that, yeah, we could get there.

But I meant the things that I said.

But I said something on here that I thought was very telling that people hung on to.

And I think it was the first thing that I had ever said out loud.

And I remember saying it, I was like, yeah, I can't take that back.

I said, we live very different lives.

And I had never said that before.

And I was like, oh, gosh, I'm being too honest.

It just like came out.

We did.

People thought I thought we lived separately, but no, it's not that we lived separately.

We just.

Really were living different lives.

We were like two ships passing in the night.

And then he tried to steal all your money.

Well, I mean, legally, he's allowed to.

Legally.

He's got some self-respect.

That's what I thought.

That's just my opinion.

I don't.

No, I mean, I'm, I'm, I really hoped it would be friendly and it wouldn't get down to it because we both allegedly wanted it.

I think there were things I underestimated about how he felt about me, which was hard.

It's like, how do you share a bed with someone who feels so strongly about you in such a negative way?

These were things that...

came out that I was learning from other people.

Like he was talking shit about you behind your rock?

Yeah.

Like after it was filed, after it was filed.

And so I was just kind of like, wow, I didn't know that.

And I'm not going to act like I was perfect by any means.

It takes two people to get to that point.

I thought I knew I had the upper hand because I knew I had the money.

And so, and I wasn't clearly was not aware of the legal, like the community property.

I thought because we got married in Florida that Florida laws would apply.

I just truly.

California that 55.

I truly, and I didn't think he would do those things.

You know, you don't think that, but I was just kind of like, I remember the day after New Year's Day, I was like, what do you want?

I don't want anything from you.

What do you want for me?

I was willing to give it to him.

I think the hardest part for me was the spousal support.

I did not mind actually giving him money.

Right.

It was the spousal support.

Like, why do you need an allowance?

Yeah.

He could do it.

So he does it.

Maybe that's just the

old school in me.

Maybe, maybe this is access of me to say, but I just, I have some self-respect.

As a man, you don't need an allowance.

You don't have kids.

No.

You don't have.

that.

That is the craziest part.

You have it to split.

Yeah.

He has a, he has a, you have a business, great profession, moved back to Florida.

That's where, you know, wasn't he like so upset that he had to move to LA?

No, he wanted to be in LA.

That's like the, like, I cannot wait to just like fully talk about some of this stuff.

He wanted to be here.

There's a reason he was already licensed to practice in California.

He always wanted to be in LA.

He actually moved to LA a month before when we were engaged to try to like make it here.

Like had an Airbnb for a month, was putting out stuff to model, to do all these things.

And then I actually did it too.

I moved out for a month and I stay with Carrie Fetman.

We all know enough.

Yeah, I moved out here too, planting seeds, seeing if there was work out here.

And that's how I eventually ended up working for Extra.

I ended up having a podcast about The Bachelor.

So we both were doing that.

It's not one-sided, like, hey, Rachel wanted to move out here and I had to follow for her.

Do you feel like he was jealous of your success?

I was going to say, do you feel like he scapegoated you for his failures?

100%.

100%.

And I think that

there were sat what always gets lost in it is that I moved for him.

We lived to Dallas and we lived, moved to Dallas because he quit his job a week after in Florida, a week after the show stopped filming

before it aired.

And I didn't quit.

I was still practicing law.

So he moved to Dallas, which I was super grateful for.

And I acknowledged that sacrifice.

And then I stopped practicing law and I told, asked him, where do you want to go?

And he said, Florida.

And I, we picked up everything and we moved to Florida, but that always gets lost.

I had no job in Florida.

I didn't have, I wasn't working for extra, didn't have the bachelor podcast at that point yet.

I don't think so.

So I moved for him so he could build it up.

And that never gets talked about.

And then COVID hit and things happened.

And

then opportunity, better opportunity was in LA.

And I knew we both wanted to be here.

But yeah, when I talk about things I didn't know, how he felt about me, jealousy was one of them.

I have no, like, just imagine your partner being jealous of you.

Like, it's, it was a really,

it was a really tough thing.

But yeah, I, I have so many, now that I'm moving past it and I'm starting to write about it, like all these things.

I was about to add, yeah, that you're like.

Discovering things that maybe you thought was normal.

And then you're like, wait a second, that was a weird ass thing that happened or that he said.

And I'm glad to be in a better place of processing it because I'm not angry anymore.

If I was writing and going through it anger, that's how it would have come out.

Now it's reflection.

Yeah, I had to get past the anger of the money.

Just last month, he asked me for, like, tried to, our judgment was done.

Crazy enough, the day the fires happened in L.A.

was the day our divorce was finalized.

And he recently.

I got served because he was trying to contest some of the language in the judgment about money.

And it was so obvious what it was.

It was so obvious, but he wanted it to read as it was written in the judgment and not from the percentage that he was allowed of it.

He wanted the entire amount of money in that account and rehired his attorney to serve me.

So then I again had to go to my attorney.

And then I, we explained to him, this is, which is plain, like your attorney helped come up with this, agreed to this.

And then I had to send him another letter explaining it.

And this is her's like, yeah, you're right.

Does he work?

Huh.

He still has a practice.

He's still here.

He's still here.

Oh, never seen him, though.

I was going to ask you.

Yeah.

Never seen him.

You haven't like, has he like texted or caught any like email?

Only when it has to do with the money.

All he has to do with that.

I'll probably get us something after this comes out, too.

But we'll get into it when we talk Love is Blind.

But they're interesting enough, one of the main characters,

what's her name?

You know, she talked about um she's i sounds accomplished and she's had a hard time sparkle magnet sparkle magon can't give yourself a nickname it's brutal

anyway but do you feel like there was an element of a little just like gender roles where like his jealousy came from him feeling emasculated because his wife was more successful do you think that added to his insecurities 100 but i want to take blame too because i was not great about I think that I did things that emasculated him too, if I'm really being honest.

And again, this is where reflection comes in.

Like what?

I do think that when he, part of the reason I like, I chose him is because he was older.

He was established.

He had a career, not a job.

These things were very attractive to me.

He had more than me.

It's another thing that people do not realize.

When we got married, he had more than me.

He had a condo that he owned in Miami.

You know, he's older, so he had more money, you know, had saved up stuff.

We were more on equal footing plus he had a condo so and of course you know we weren't just thinking of the prenup thing and you know i'll talk about all this later but it made sense i didn't have what i had now i it was this perfect storm where i made a lot of money during the marriage so that's also why like people like how does he get all of this like well my success came post i do anyways yes i think that as my career grew his didn't and it was there became the why aren't you helping me why aren't you having this that's why i loved loved when you talked about it.

It made me famous.

You had all the, all the, the tools.

You had all the tools to do it, but it just, he

was not as ambitious as I thought.

And a lot when I would go back, like, well, how did you get this?

How did you get this?

It wasn't like I hustled for it.

Not everybody has the hustle.

It was kind of like, oh, I knew this person or this person helped me, which isn't a bad thing.

It's just, you come out here to LA and you start your business or you come off TV, you know it.

It's why not everybody has this studio.

not everybody has certain success it's about the hustle and he just didn't have that but i if i'm taking responsibility on my end i

you know tried to help but then i saw myself get frustrated i saw myself start to be a little resentful because it wasn't as i thought it was supposed to be one of the biggest things i did was when it came to buying a house put it in my name.

Yep, cool.

It was 100% mine.

And in California, if you buy a house and you're married, the person has to sign over their rights.

And so I was paying for our rent.

I was paying so much money and I wasn't seeing the return on investment.

So it was like, I'm in a position where I can buy a house.

This is the biggest purchase that I've ever made.

And I wanted it to only be in my name.

And the people that knew that, and I publicly, I would always say, this is our house.

This is us.

We did this.

But the people who knew were like, Rachel, that is emasculating.

And I was like, it's my money.

Which point?

I don't care.

what And it is and I and I but I would not change what I'm saying.

I can see why it might be a an indication of like maybe like the deeper sentiment of the health of the relationship.

I don't necessarily see it as a emasculating if it was the other way around, you know, if

a man, a married couple and the man said, hey, I want to put it in my name, what's the equipment, you know, like again, she would certainly feel a certain way about it.

Like, so we, I guess we don't have a foundation in your house.

But like,

I don't, it's like, I think it did make him, though.

I'm sure it did make him feel that way, but is that a him problem?

Or is that like.

And like, is he contributing to the house?

No, no, no.

Not a dime.

Not a penny.

Not, not anything.

I paid all the bills.

And that's a crazy thing about divorce, at least in this community property state.

You are not rewarded for being a supportive partner.

For me, it was you're building a business.

I'm in a position where I can take care of the personal side of things.

So why would would I not do that in a marriage?

And I never was like, I'm paying the bills.

You're living in my house.

That came after the divorce.

That came when we were at like,

again, like, knowing how this world works, like, I feel like he emasculated himself in the sense that like, if you are not going to don't have the hustle, whatever.

But like, he, he was in a service industry.

Right.

And so, you know, not every, you know, if you're an accountant and you go on the bachelor and you like go back to be an accountant, I don't know how much going on the bachelor is going to help you out.

You know, like if you have your own business, maybe if you are an engineer, but if you're like a realtor, a lawyer, a chiropractor, if, you know, if you have your own business and you're in the service industry, going on one of these shows

is such an advantage, such a layup, such a home run.

I mean, all you have to do is be like,

Hi, aren't you the, you know, yeah, you can crack my back, you know, like it's just people want, you know, know, it's just, it's such a leg up on the competition.

It is.

And you gave him that.

One of the most likable, successful bachelorettes in the history of the franchise.

He was married to her and he couldn't make it work.

And I feel like that's on him.

And if like, you know, I think, not I think, I always say that.

And it's like, I know.

Both of us were disenchanted with our careers.

I loved being a lawyer.

He loved being a chiropractor, but we kind of hit a place where we were plateauing where it was like, let's see if we can do something more.

For me, at first, I thought that I would do entertainment law and change the area of law that I was working in.

But then I really loved communication and talking to people and being on the mic and having these conversations.

And so I was pivoting into that.

And both of us were like, if none of it works, we'll go back to what it is that we did.

So that's where, you know, it worked for me.

It didn't work for him because I had a plan.

I was like, I don't want to be.

on more reality TV shows unless it's going to position me to do more of what I wanted to do.

It's going to help me if it makes sense.

For him, it was more of like the low-hanging fruit of when is a deal going to come?

What's an event we can go to?

He, I was very anti creating in a social media presence where it was built off our relationship.

So I meant that when I came on the show.

I was like, I didn't like posting.

I didn't like putting our personal business out there per se.

Sometimes it worked.

Most of the times I didn't want to do that.

He did.

And so we just had a different vision.

He wanted to use what we had to grow.

I didn't.

I had different plans.

And so him having to go back and be a chiropractor, I think there was some maybe resentment's the word because for me, it, I was able to continue to leave law and I still have been able to.

Well, I'm excited for your book.

Seriously.

You have no idea.

You know, I was going to stuff.

And I'm pre, I'm pre-ordering.

Pre-order, the pre-order.

I pre-ordered the pre-order.

Yes.

I did.

And I, and I, and it's not like when I did my first book, it wasn't tea, right?

I wasn't like, I'm shitting on the bachelor franchise.

I'm talking about being on your seat it was more of like a reflection of of me and people getting to know me as not this picture perfect bachelorette this is going to be tea

and it's going to be helping people get through divorce and not it not be shameful like i want to talk about dating again.

I want to talk about, you know, I've never used apps.

I want to talk about being intimate for the first time when you, because these are real conversations that women come to me about that I could not find a book or a conversation that dealt with this kind of stuff.

So they'll be, it'll be telling, I want the book to read another book of essays to read like an Adele song.

You know how like Adele comes in and she's like telling the story.

And then like midway through, she's getting to that bridge and she's rising above it.

And then at the end, she's like, fuck you.

Still I rise.

I'm this person.

Like I, that's how I want it to read.

So I want it to be encouraging and hopeful in those ways, but through me telling the journey of what happened for the first time.

Like I've never talked about fertility.

He spoke on it.

And I'm like, thank you.

You sat down with some quack about like the divorce, teasing parts one through three.

I don't know whatever happened to the rest of it, but I don't want to do that.

I'm not, I want to tell my story, but to help people through it.

I want to be vulnerable in ways that people have not seen from me.

Because, you know, everyone was like, oh, you know, they were lying about their relationship.

No, we weren't.

But, you know, I, there are things I could have been more honest.

Without getting too much into it, and we'll move on after this, but obviously divorce, to your point, and I imagine you'll write a lot about it, is a very traumatic event if you have to go through it.

I think for both men and women.

But like, as you've gone out and dated,

does it feel like a scarlet letter a little bit?

Do you feel like you have to just like, oh, well, when do I tell him I've been divorced?

And you, have you felt a certain reaction from people?

You know what the scarlet letter is?

It's not the divorce.

It's being on the show.

It's, it's, it's scary to, because before I was dating, I was, had not done anything that was front of camera, that was public.

So when I went on a couple of dates, at first, it was like, well, how do I say it's going to be like, oh, you were divorced?

Well, then what happened?

How did you meet your ex-husband?

And then it's like, oh, I have to talk about the bachelor.

And it's like, and you can see for people who that don't know, it's like, wait, what?

Oh, wait, I heard about the fat first Black Bachelor.

That was you.

And it's like, oh, I don't feel like going.

And so you see this interest that comes.

And it's like, are you interested in me?

Or are you just curious about this story?

That's been something that's hard.

And most of the dates that I've been on have been people that have their own platforms.

So do you feel like when they ask that question, it's more coming from judgment?

Or

do you feel like, because I relate to that before, you know, it's just like when I finished my season, I was like, I just made a personal pact.

I had dated, you know, in between.

I had, you know, it's a very much a fraternity.

There's a comfort level with people in that experience.

I had dated some people from that franchise.

And once Vanessa and I broke up, I was just like,

I'm not dating anyone from that franchise ever again.

And I just felt like I just, I wanted to be above.

not not above it, but I just wanted to move on from the show.

And so a lot of the people I was interested in dating, there was an insecurity for me that I was kind of projecting out because there was a part of me that was a little bit of like, I'm not ashamed of it, but like, I don't, I don't put it on my bio, you know?

For sure.

Bachelor of season 12.

And so.

With the rose emoji.

Yeah.

So I, you know, it was like a very much a me problem, you know, like Nali has told the story when we first met, you know, we're the first weekend we're out in New York and we're walking through New York.

And, you know, my, my show at that point was successful, not what it was today, but I always acted as if it was the biggest show in the world.

As you should.

And, and people would like and be like, how do you, like, how do they know you?

I was like, I have a podcast.

Cause I was like, I wasn't going to be like, I was on the bachelor.

It's like the last thing you say.

It's the last thing.

Yeah.

And they're like, well, even if people come up to Nick and they're like, is your name Nick Viol?

He's like, um,

yeah.

Why?

How do you know it?

It's so true.

I, it, it either comes out in the divorce for me or it's like, oh, you were a lawyer.

How did you get to podcasting?

And it's like, oh.

There was a, I was in a city when there was a tour bus, like an entertainment tour bus, and the tour driver was like, excuse me, what's your name?

And without hesitation, I was like, Eric.

And he was like, never mind.

Yeah.

Like, never mind.

I just kept walking.

I'll try that.

You can't hesitate.

You really have to.

I'll try that.

But yeah, no, it's,

I, yeah, it's just been interesting.

But, you know.

Well, on the topic of divorce, how are you feeling about Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban's divorce?

Can I be honest what my first thought was?

Yes.

Please.

Mary's got a thought.

I have a thought.

I feel like I watch, I consume a lot of Nicole Kidman

content.

And I feel like she's having this resurgence.

And all the resurgence is sex.

Yes.

Yep.

And it's sex.

And it's like young man sex.

It's like hot, steamy, foregasm.

In there.

You know what I mean?

Like, you're about to be fucking some 25-year-olds.

And I've like, I always wonder, I mean, she's an actor.

She always has been.

But I just wonder kind of what you're alluding to.

I don't, I'm, I like country music.

I'm into it more these days, maybe.

And I don't follow Keith Urban's career, but I just wonder with the rise of what she's doing, because there wasn't, you know, she was having kids, she slowed down, and the rise of what she's doing.

And not only is she doing it, she's like hot really doing it.

Sex, sexual, sensual, all of this.

I just wonder if that was a huge struggle for him.

That was the first thought I had.

I was like, hmm.

Yeah.

Can't take it.

Not every, not every man can.

And a lot of people have like dating a

title on myself.

Dating a musician.

So there you go.

Dating an artist is hard.

Like there's a lot of ups and downs with careers.

And it's, yeah, it can be very difficult.

And so, I just wonder for him, it takes a really strong person to see a woman do that.

And then your career is a roller coaster at the same time.

Like, they always say dating, dating in the music industry is one of the hardest in the entertainment industry.

Oh, yeah.

So, you're currently dating a musician?

Yeah, you guys saw him.

Remember when we walked, when I was walking my dog and we were driving?

That was him.

I tried not to be nosy.

You know,

we were like, oh, that's.

You guys were totally fine.

Your brother's brother's like, oh, this is so-and-so.

And he was like, hey, yeah.

I mean, it's not like a huge secret, but we haven't posted him, obviously.

Because we don't share our relationship.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I haven't.

Well, actually, that's not true.

He is on my social, but not like, hey, this is hard launch.

Yeah.

Here's my boyfriend.

Are we like official, official?

Are we like just a situation ship?

No, it's not a situationship.

Like, I'm, we're really dating.

Okay.

But, you know, I'm, I'm having fun is how I look at it.

Like, I'm not dating anybody else.

Okay.

Mary, what was your take on the Nicole Kidman, Keith Urban?

Oh, it's just, it's always really sad when queer relationships end.

Queer relationships.

Wait a minute.

Did you say queer?

Yeah.

Who are we referring to?

Keith Urban, number one lesbian in the entire world.

Because of the hair?

Because of the hair.

And just like, if you listen to a Keith Urban song, the way he's writing, I'm like,

okay.

That's hilarious, by the way.

I'm just rejecting it.

19 years.

I did.

19 years I've been together that far.

Yeah.

It's always sad.

It's a good run.

It's a good run.

It's always sad to see it, but I just have kids together?

A lot.

They have kids.

Yeah.

I'm still healing from Amy Poehler and Will Arnett, and that was like two.

Don't talk to me.

I know.

That was devastating.

Yeah.

They seem to be doing five.

I know they're.

I was like, that was like my dream.

Like, you know how you have a couple that you want to go to a dinner party with?

Like, that was my dream.

And I was like, wow, shattered.

Is irreconcilable differences kind of just like a, I think it's a general.

That's what ours was, really.

Yeah.

But that's like a catch-all.

Yeah.

Like you're just not getting along.

Of course it's reconcilable.

I can't say the word.

But otherwise you wouldn't get divorced.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I mean, sometimes it's,

you know, I don't know what the correct term was.

It was like, if there's cheating or whatever, infidelity.

Infidelity.

I was like, I can think of adultery.

I was like, that's cyclical.

I watched that campaign.

I watched Legally Blonde once.

Wasn't that the same thing?

It is, but yeah.

But it's sounds so dirtier at least.

You can file for those things.

But yeah, like,

irreconcilable differences.

I also feel like all the other boxes on like a divorce paper are actually really scary.

Like, so I feel like that's like the go-to one.

And you can always change it.

You can always amend it.

Change it.

Like if you find out they did some shit.

Yeah.

I think you absolutely can amend it.

It's just easier to like check all the boxes, like spousal support, you know, if they're children, childs, it's just easier to do it all.

And then you can fix it all later.

There's a lot of fun.

Should we talk some Salt Lake City?

Or Dancing with the Stars.

Let's start with Dancing with the Stars.

Let's start with dancing.

Whitney Carson's choreography.

I love her so much.

Is just the backwards flip around Robert Irwin's neck.

I was like,

I'm into it.

She's so little, though.

Can we talk about Shake Your Ass?

The song?

Yeah.

Watch yourself.

I thought, I was like listening to it in my car.

Don't judge me.

And so I was like, is that my radio?

Or is that the song she's actually?

I didn't know you could say ass on Dancing with the Stars.

It's just like such a, and maybe because it was YouTube, so I didn't watch it live, so I don't know, but I was completely thrown off.

And I thought, is that going to work against her?

Isn't this a conservative audience?

Is she interested?

Unless you're a man taking her off, she's less conservative.

I think they really, they've, they've done a good job of getting the younger audience.

I think it used to skew really

like, I'm sorry, just watch the video.

If you're watching Dance with the Stars, you're dying.

Yeah, yeah.

But now I think the kiddos, the TikTok,

TikTok has really skewed it younger.

It's hipper.

It looks a lot more fun.

They're doing a good job.

They've realized that people are consuming it on TikTok, online, through YouTube.

And it's given it to like a fun resurgence.

And I think they've made the dances a lot more fun.

Because it's like other than Dylan's dance, because he had to do the foxtrot, which is so hard.

So hard.

Like, because you're just, it's always, it's all about

framing.

And like, you can't, it's hard to, everyone else, like,

they're having fun.

They're goofing around.

They have the facial expression expressions like like the foxtrot's so serious i always danced scared when i was on it uh because yeah because you're counting the whole time you're like

oh shit um

also i think it's just a miss opportunity when dylan doesn't take his shirt off i feel like they've got to be saving it for something special you know they're like he can't take a shirt off every single dance did you see did you see uh he posted um a reel with his dance partner i was a little turned on i texted to him and told him about it sorry Every once in a while, Natalie will show you the shit.

Wait, which one?

Was it the one where he like twirled or?

The hips, the hips.

Oh.

It was hot.

Guys, he looked terrible.

The fox trot's hard.

The foxtrot.

No, no, no.

No, the hips thing.

Yeah.

You saw that?

I wasn't like the real video?

Yeah.

He was like a second behind.

He's not a dancer.

Which can't be a good idea.

I wasn't looking at his card.

But I mean, I loved watching him and the effort.

I couldn't do it.

But I was also like, he's not killing.

He's just Dylan Efron who comes across as so likable and so nice.

He's so true.

He can't have any enemies.

Like, I just don't get it.

He's just such a nice guy.

But you're right.

He's not a dancer.

And I feel like with Dancing with the Stars, there's always this battle of people who want the Dylan Efrons or people who want the Hillary Baldwins.

And I'm saying it like that.

Hillary.

Thank you.

Because Hillary's almost too good.

Yes.

And so I want to see a Dylan.

I want to see somebody grow.

I want to be a surprise.

I want to see them struggle some weeks.

Like Robin,

Robert is doing like unexpectedly really good.

Yeah.

Where you're like, he's not too good.

Yeah.

You know, we're like Whitney crushing it, but she's like, she's been to in-class.

Yeah.

I mean, I think the fact that Jen had a baby.

a month ago is she just deserves

to have the mirror ball because of that.

Incredible.

Like that's the kind of story I want to see when I watch Dancing with the Stars.

Yeah.

She's so fun.

She's so funny.

She did the mama sita thing.

I feel like that's going to happen with Dylan too, though, is because it's like he's really trying.

So it's like you almost appreciate the effort going forward.

But I'm like, if he does end up cleaning it up and becoming like a little bit more direct with his moves, I'm like, he could win.

Right.

But it's like, it's because it is somebody you want to root for, but also because he's not the best dancer starting off.

Correct.

Correct.

I want to see growth.

Yeah.

I almost feel like with like a Hillary, it's going to work against her.

Because I don't know if you saw the TikTok where I'm dip deep into TikTok these days.

Get it.

Um, I don't know if you saw the TikTok where they were saying that she competed in ballroom against some of the pros.

That'll definitely be a really good thing.

That definitely works against her.

Like, when I was on it, Heather from Glee was on it, and she's like literally a professional dancer.

And the week she was eliminated, she got all tens.

But it was just like, yeah, no, you can.

We want to start a professional dancer.

Yeah, you know.

I feel like with Hilaria Baldwin, the only surprise is like what accent she's going to pull out, not what dance she's going to do.

You know what I mean?

I mean, Alan.

Was it?

Is it Alan?

Alec.

Baldwin?

No, no, no.

Richter?

Yes.

Alan Richter.

Andy Richter.

Andy Richter.

Put some just

who did you love me.

I love you, Andy.

I do not know that man.

I do.

Sorry about that.

Sorry to that man.

Sorry to that man.

But he, I mean, like, his was so sweet.

Him grabbing the camera was so sweet that, like, voting for him immediately.

That's who.

Yeah, that's who I, like, even Alex Earl, I was like, she, she's doing it.

She's doing it.

She's great.

And they're even, but she has Val.

If I ever did Dancing with the Stars, that's who I want.

I want Val.

I want him to, because everyone's like, he's tough.

He's on it.

And if I was a guy, I would want Daniela.

Ooh.

Yeah.

I think Daniela and Whitney are two of like the best choreographers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Whitney's really good.

Val's really good, too.

But yeah, out of yeah,

Jordan, Jordan Childs, I think is my number one.

I think she's good.

She's so good.

and I was like I understand that she's a professional gymnast but she has that going against her too but she has that going against her but I was like the whole thing with gymnasts is that everything is supposed to be like stiff and like stick it and so like that's where I'm like for her to be able to like move her body and use fluidity like that is a new skill for her so I'm like it is really impressive and she's so fucking good every episode but they do I mean for like floor routine you know like there's a lot of dancing it's like flips and like whatnot and it's it is stiff yeah it's very like here's the arms up and then now i'm running and i'm flipping.

But like, she's, she's moving.

I thought, yeah, I mean, they said it was her best one this week.

And I think that she was really feeling it.

I liked it.

She got super emotional.

I like, I like to see people cry.

Me too.

I'm an emotional person.

So I just, because

I, I've danced.

Wait, I'm not a dancer.

Let me just like disclaim that.

I've done a performance and there is something emotional about it that when you finish, you just feel like if you put it all out there, the tears come out too.

So when I saw her at the end of this, I'm like, I get it.

i get it you're like i did that i accomplished something and what what was she saying she said something like about how the anxiety and the pressure of like what she goes through as an athlete like for her to be able to leave it on the floor meant so much to her and i'm just like all right get it there was a lot of the floor spinning of the women which i feel like if that's in your routine and you you like go last and you watch everyone above you do it like i remember last season it's like wearing a red dress who was it that did the backflip oh it was like joey and danny both did a backflip yeah

And I remember like one, I don't know who went first, but one of them was like, fuck, like, we also have a backflip.

Like, you know, that was our big move.

Is it fair that Alex Earl got to do a TikTok dance in her, in her routine?

Right.

I mean, they, they credited the choreographer in it at the end of it.

Oh, you better.

Really?

But they were like, yeah, with, with moves by Molly, whatever.

But the whole, like the first few seconds, it was a TikTok.

Well, I do think it's unlike, because again dylan had the foxtrot compared to some of these other dances where they got to you know shimmy and bop like they're at a wedding and dylan's like one two yeah it's so much different and harder and the foxtrots more like who do they

get behind do they pick their dance style or do the producers do like ow like unlike you know like the bachelor or all some of these other competition shows where producers can really fuck with your emotions.

Like Dancing with the Stars is mostly just a fun experience.

You do have some producers who have come from other shows, and there's not much like emotional fuckery that producers can do.

The little bit that they can do is like give you various dancers that maybe you're not in love with or that are more difficult.

And that's where they, there's not much drama on Dancing with the Stars, but if there's any, it's stuff like that.

Right.

Would that be interesting if they did?

Because what I've always, when I used to do interviews of Dancing with the Stars, I was like, gosh, you guys, it's a competition, but y'all love each other.

Y'all are all such good friends.

Should there be where they're not sometimes?

I've never seen it.

I would love a little like dance drama.

Like, you know, and like most of them are a song, or they saw my

and like most of the pros are married to each other, dating each other.

So it's like, y'all probably don't even really have that much competition against each other.

What if they put like Abby Lee Miller in there as one of the judges and just saw what would happen?

Well, my intro package on week one, I was, I was fucking around and joking, but I was like talking shit.

I had Normani on and i was like calling them fourth harmony and and you know it was like a joke i think that's funny yeah i feel like i would do that or like i'd be like yeah i saw i walked past so-and-so's room this week and they sucked yeah

they sent me told

that would be great i mean that would give us some spice that would really help for ratings do like a full like wwe type of just like fake drama for dancing with the stars i think i would eat it up backstage just a little bit just at the beginning my dream is for my wife to do it someday.

I know.

He's so sweet.

He's got big dreams.

You would want to do it.

Do you want to?

I would do it.

Yeah.

I would do it.

Yeah.

I don't, you know, don't know what the audience would.

They'd be like, I don't know who the fuck she is.

You're about to be the host of the new hottest dating show on Netflix.

That's true.

Yeah.

That's true.

Age of Attraction, 2026.

It's a banger.

Well, speaking of spicy things, we have Salt Lake City episode four.

Five.

I could watch Todd and Browen

eat lunch

all day long.

For two hours.

I'm always trying to figure out who hates each other more or if they're if he's just like

mailing it in for because he loves his wife and doing a scene.

It's so

and as a couple that has a bit of an age gap, I'm and I don't mean this for with any disrespect because we love Brawen and I have not met Todd yet, but like I am so grateful we don't present as them.

Yeah, guys.

Yeah.

You wouldn't be able to do this show.

You would not be able to work together.

Robin looks so good and so fresh.

And him and that half-zip polo sweater was

sweater.

Like the sweater doesn't help.

I need him wearing.

I'm sorry.

I love Todd.

No, I love Todd.

I'm not trying to talk shit, but maybe put him like in an All Saints.

No,

no, no, genuine.

I love that there is such a stark contrast between the two of them.

I love, first off, they're always, we're always watching them sit down to eat.

Yeah, I love because I feel like that's the only thing they do together.

That's the only thing Todd is like, this is the only thing I'm going to be on camera doing.

I have to eat anyway.

I might as well have a hungry.

It's iced tea.

The pie rolls.

He's awesome.

He's such a curmudgeon.

Such a curmudgeon.

I just adore it.

But if you put Todd in All Saints, then you just get PK and we don't need that.

Yeah, true.

We don't need another PK.

I want to see that man's new balances.

Yeah.

And I want him in, like, I want him to shop at Costco.

Why?

Why does he have such a hard time?

Like, I was surprised that he was so self-conscious about Bronwyn acknowledging that he stepped up and helped support

her parents, like as if he didn't want her to say it.

Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about and you missed the most recent episode of the Rural House Vivis of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap.

We've got taglines and Meredith is dropping beats, baby.

Lisa reminds us she knows famous people.

She also reminds us that people that know famous people always get sued and it's like not a big deal.

Todd is trying to be nicer after getting clowned at the reunion, but also Bronwyn's mom moved in.

So she's also trying to learn that it's okay when people don't like you.

Sounds like she should call in to ask Nick low-key.

Angie wants Elektra to make being Greek her whole personality, but Elekt doesn't seem to care.

Might I suggest having her read some more Percy Jackson?

Bronwyn's mom says she needs Todd's money and also reminds her that he's going to die one day.

Love the moms.

Heather is not clinically depressed.

She is effective.

Same girl.

Same girl Liano.

Mary Wright's season's the craziest fashion.

Lisa only brings the gals ski shooting, so no one shoots her in the back.

Fair enough, Diva.

Also, Amy is there.

Who is this girly Amy?

I want to know more.

Lisa makes a presentation to prove she's innocent.

However, the only thing it proves is that she needs to get a Canva Pro account and maybe take a course.

All the lawsuits are dismissed because it's none of our fucking business, apparently.

Lisa and Bronwyn got into another argument, but the most important thing to note at this lunch is that Mary's sunglasses and little hat are eating down.

Oh, and that Lisa thinks Angie is trying to be Jin Shaw.

Meredith says she defended Lisa while camping, which sure.

And Whitney goes absolutely nuclear on Lisa for lying about her lawsuit, throws a napkin at her, and storms off.

But it is weird that Todd is like frustrated that he has to help his wife's sick in-laws.

or his in-laws.

Yeah.

Like, why are you upset about that?

I take great pride in that ability.

I've just felt like we were missing something.

And I'm going to, I'm going to add to that because Bronwyn's side flip kept changing.

So if, and the only reason I know this is because I was watching it with someone and I was like, do you like Bronwyn's bob?

Because I'll go back and forth with a Bob.

Yep.

And they were like, yeah, well, I don't like it that way, the side part.

And I was like, no, it looks really good.

And then we were like, wait, it looks better from one side to the other side.

That's the only reason I noticed that because I love Bronwyn's haircut.

So I feel like there was stuff that was cut out.

So I didn't understand why.

I don't know if she had to keep repeating it over and over again.

And maybe that's why we were getting the eye roll.

Something wasn't there because I don't think Todd has an issue with helping her out with her family because we've seen what he's done with her daughter.

And he's very protective over her.

And he's like, I'm not talking about that on camera.

We're not talking about him.

So I'm just a Todd apologist.

I'm just a Todd bumper.

I'm just a Todd for this man.

I also like it when he was like, you know, when Broadwin's just like acknowledging that she cares what people think think and she wants lisa's you know validation and he's just like why the fuck yeah no i did love that him being like she said horrible things about you like you should never be friends with her period write this person off my favorite was when he was like a lot of people hate you what are you talking about and i was like well you know i wouldn't say it like the facebook comments i gotta know his sign

you know what you know why i think she wants to be around lisa it's it's how i feel about tamara Tamara says horror from Real House Bible says just for people who don't like for the audience

Tamara says horrible things about people but everybody wants to be around tamara because she's fun

and i think the same thing about lisa there's a charm they're fun and it's like even if i don't trust you or i have my boundaries i still want to hang out with you yeah because they're it's just cool to be around you and i think that's what you get from Lisa, why people want, I mean, Lisa would probably say it's because she's above them and she lives a different life.

She has famous people.

All of these women know how she lives because it's so different.

None of them could ever imagine being...

When you run a big business.

None of them could ever imagine being close in distance to Ben Affleck.

It's not like they're all famous on TV.

But she's such the cliche of if you have to constantly brag about your success and you constantly have to boast about how big and bad your life is, like it's just, it's just not.

Like the real successful people are being like, they're not talking about houses they have.

You know, they're like, they're, they're, they're low-key.

They're, they don't know.

They don't want people to know.

know and the other people you know it's like oh i get i get sued because i have so much money it's like yeah i guess lisa just kind of gives me like regina george of salt lake city but like self-proclaimed like in a sense to where she's like i'm better than you but i'm like i'm watching all these women who clearly don't like her pretending to want to be her friend yes and also it's crazy how at that lunch or whatever she has all these posters dismissed dismissed dismissed and then they're all like but can we ask you she's like yeah ask me anything and then they're like, well, why did you?

And she's like, it's none of your fucking business.

She said, I gave you all the facts right here.

And it was like the way that she also photoshopped her face onto them.

No, it's pretty difficult.

I brought you here so you can read these.

And they're like, we have.

We really need to put a stop to like the housewives with the boards.

Yes.

Like, there's so many.

I love this moment.

I love because it's, everyone says Salt Lake City is campy, and there's just always extreme, and it just works for them.

It does.

We, I had Lisa on my podcast yesterday, Marley Krap.

And

I think the funniest thing,

we had to cut some of it out, but

per bravo.

But the funniest thing to me was she didn't know I was an attorney.

So she's talking to me,

explaining the law to me.

And she's literally like, well, you know, when this and this, this has happens and this person has had this legal trouble.

And she was like, and it's allegations they speak is fact.

It's not facts.

And she's saying something and she says something wrong.

And I'm like, okay, so you know, criminal doesn't settle, right?

And I'm like, I, I was like, they don't, you don't settle a criminal case.

That's a civil thing.

And she's like,

yeah, well, and I was like, well, I have a legal background.

She's like, oh my God, then you totally get it.

And it was so funny.

And like, this, I'm not trying to shade her.

It was, she said she just didn't know I was

an attorney, but it was so funny the way she handled it.

You know, she like didn't miss a beat.

No, she's very quick.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

She also told me she does a name drop and I hadn't seen the episode yet.

And so I watched this episode.

I'm like, what?

I mean, episode one was Ben and Blake and it was just like, huh?

And it was first names only.

Yeah, Ben and Blake.

I'm on a first night.

She went to South by Southwest.

She went to South by Southwest.

And I don't know what kind of event.

So it was like.

It's not like they invited her.

That's how she presents it.

She was doing something with a business.

Like an activation.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, because it was

for the Steve Corell.

It was like that billionaire movie on Netflix of Mount something.

Kind of weird movie.

Yeah, Steve's not walking in.

You think he knew he wasn't?

My girl.

Speaking of name-dropping about Steve Carell, we saw him at Gelson's.

Well, like six months ago.

Yes, we did.

Were you there with Nina Parker?

Because she saw him at Gelson's.

She really likes to shop at Gelson's.

The same?

Yeah, we all live in the same neighborhood.

She saw him at Gelson's too.

And I don't, maybe this was like six months ago or something like that.

Yeah, it was like six months ago.

It was the same day.

Did you see you know?

It was closer to the fire's time.

I remember it was like, it was, it was,

yeah.

And I like almost hit him with my cart.

And I was like, it's like coming around a thing.

And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.

And he just wears his hat and he's like, oh, it's okay.

You know, and he's going.

Like, I'm like, I can't.

He wants to be normal so bad.

Like, he's shopping.

He's grocery shopping.

And then this is the last place.

Absolutely.

I'm like, Steve who?

In the valley, I can't do that.

You can do that in the valley.

You can't do that.

Yeah.

Not if you're Lisa Barlow, though.

You will be referencing that as if Steve Curl is your best friend because you saw him with the shopping cart at Gelson.

We actually planned it at the same time.

To show up.

Yeah.

Be like, oh, me and Steve, we grocery.

We drop it.

I'm better than you.

It's crazy that Lisa's getting so upset over being compared to Jin Shaw when she like tweeted that Bronwyn was like Jin Shaw.

This episode, she called Angie that she's trying to be Jin Shaw.

It's like, I guess everyone just wants at this point.

She's like, well, you have her stamped hair girl and her brow girl.

That means you want to be her.

I'm like, like, I feel like it's just a small town.

That's Angie being like, I am the hair girl.

Not hair, but brown.

One could say, to quote Angie, saying Mary Cosby is a grandfather MFer, as Jen Chao did, and Lisa saying that Bron Wynne is a gout dick sucker

is similar.

It is similar.

We have to say that.

It is all that you can get.

That's all.

You can get gout in your dick.

I have to do a shout out, though, to the editors this episode when Lisa's talking about her lawyers.

And she's like, I have six of them.

When I saw Ziola Davis, at first, I was like, that's Johnny Depp's lawyer.

Oh, wait, that's the dude from Suits.

And I was like, oh, my God, genius.

Is that a good thing?

I don't like it.

And then they're like,

her legal team, but it's all in characters from like TV shows.

They don't like a display.

It was great.

These are not, in fact, her attorneys.

If she has as many businesses as she says, which why would I doubt?

She is right.

You do get, you are, you are opening yourself up for more lawsuits.

That's fine.

But what I couldn't get over, she kept saying dismiss, dismiss, dismiss.

And somebody finally said, yeah, but there's still one, the one we're talking about is not dismissed.

And that's what she kept saying to me.

Allegations, they're allegations, they're not fact.

And then I go, I said to her, I can't remember if this is in the podcast or not.

And I said,

Yeah, but like, she's like, you can file a lawsuit for anything.

She says that on this, this episode.

And I'm like, but it's still going on you also can get it dismissed for being frivolous yet it's still going on and she was like yeah but

doesn't mean it's not man that's true

can a lawsuit get dismissed if you settle it out of court as well if you would if you settle it if it's settled like out of court wouldn't it be qualified as dismissed yeah yeah so so it's not

yeah

that's what those ladies were were saying.

It's just like, just because it's dismissed means you, you finally paid them back.

Right.

Yeah.

She didn't answer that.

No, no.

She was like,

Brody was smoked with that one.

She was like, so dismissed us and you paid back the money you owed.

No, no, no.

And also she's like, she's like, but there's one that's still not.

And she's like, well, yeah, but it's, and they're like, but you wrote dismissed on it.

You are just like stamping dismissed on it.

And I loved it.

I appreciate it.

So the whole

circumstance of it all, this is what I want out of my house 100%.

I'm never born born with Salt Lake City.

No, God, no.

And then Whitney, Redhead Whitney, Era is my favorite thing in the world.

I love it.

I love it.

She's choosing violence for everything this season.

She's got to.

She's hanging on.

She's like barely hanging on.

She's got to, like, she doesn't really, I mean, I know she's opening up about her business, but she has no choice.

Like, we need more from Whitney.

Otherwise, she's going to be replaced with Amy, which I said a couple of weeks ago.

I'm like, this Amy's being introduced for a reason.

You know, them saying, oh, we don't really have many social lights, which I think Lisa would argue differently that she's one.

But this Amy's one.

And then we see her again on this episode.

Were you confused by that party that was like

the best party in Salt Lake City?

And it was like at the community hall center.

It literally looked like a convention.

Like at all

conventions.

I was like,

such a salt.

The lights were so bright in there.

I'm like, this is where the best party in Salt Lake City is.

I almost feel like a testament to having a good party in Salt Lake City is, did the women show up and did they have a fight in it?

If not, your party sucks.

It was Brittany Light, which was a bummer because I always miss.

God, yeah, there was not a lot of Britney.

Brittany, we needed it.

Sometimes I'm for

I was fine not having her this episode.

I was fine because I wanted us to stay on track.

I feel like when we get, we, I, and I actually really, I really appreciate Brittany and what she brings.

Like, I would have gotten her on the show, but we didn't need her in this moment.

Like, even when she chimed in a little bit with Meredith, I'm like, all right, Brittany.

No, no, no, not right now.

We're having a real fight here.

I have an announcement.

Yeah.

Britney, man.

She's such a theater kid.

I love it.

So Whitney storming out and Mary being like, Whitney, sit down, and Whitney being like, I can't.

She triggered me.

I'm like, this is incredible.

Whitney got in her face.

I was like, she got napkins.

She came around.

I thought she was going to throw the napkin and walk out.

She came around.

Yeah.

And I was like, listen to me, Lisa.

And I was like, yeah.

Let's go.

Her arms wild.

I like this.

I have to say, what else I liked was Love is Blind episode one.

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I am ashamed of Edmund saying he eats his boogers, but I do love Edmund.

Honestly, I love him.

I love him.

He knew he was so,

he knew he was going to be so charming.

He was really goofy.

The one who cried.

He was crying about his teacher.

He was in foster care.

Can we get the cast photos up?

I'm obsessed with that man.

No, I didn't know that was.

She kept saying my love.

So I was like, what is his name?

Sitting his leg crossed on the couch.

Like, he always had a new position that was like.

He was getting so excited.

It was so cute.

I don't know how, how can you N1 be so charming?

I'm not even going to lie.

I've taken a couple of seasons off of Love is One because I don't like the beginning episodes

as much.

I want to see, I love when they meet each other.

I will never get over the falling in love.

The awkward.

It's just, you fall in love in one way, and then you have to, I just, it's just so genius to me.

Yeah.

But

watching him is the reason that I'm like, I might have to fully watch this season.

I'm

discussed with him.

Minnesota was kind of.

Do you feel like Calabria is going to be like, do you think she realizes how nerdy he is?

How could she not?

Rollerblades across the eye.

She's like, I hate to do that with you.

I'm active.

But he also plays football.

He also plays football.

That's what's going to throw her off.

Yeah.

Totally.

Cornerback.

But she said corner, which corners are, you can be.

She should have asked the right question.

She should have said, what division?

What were you scholarship?

Yeah, these are questions I would have asked as a sports fan.

D3, I'm trying to see.

But I'm with her.

I wouldn't even know her to ask and pick what position.

Sounds great.

Yeah.

She better, she was the one who had that quote that I, she was like, you know how they say.

And I was like, no, I don't know how they said.

I've never heard that.

She said, you have to fall out of love with your type to find.

Oh, yeah.

I was like, who says that?

Anyways, then if that's the case, then she better be all in with this guy.

I love the teacher.

No, no, he's he's like, he's cute.

He's got like that nerdy

like appeal that I do really think is cute.

I like his style.

I like

that he, I love a male teacher.

I love a male teacher.

So do we know why his fifth grade teacher saved him?

He's like,

yeah, he kind of moved on from that.

The tears was because you know a producer was like, all right, he's been crying for this period.

Yeah.

Move on.

Like threw the speaker into the room, like, move on.

Anton and Allie, they got engaged, episode one.

Yeah.

I'm hoping he's a good idea.

Is he the definition of ugly hot?

I don't know.

Just different things work for Anton.

Because it works for him.

It does work for him.

But he's not your.

He's not good for him.

You know, he's not

traditionally

pretty.

But it does.

It's like the dark.

I think the dark hair, the dark beard, the thick eyebrows, it works.

What a miss for him.

And the left-in-cliffhanger.

And Ali pointed out.

But at the reveal, he had his classes on top of his head.

And then when the doors opened, he went immediately to squint mode.

I'm like, can you not see her?

The glasses work for you, bro.

They're part of your uniform.

They're like a powerful person.

I don't care if they're sunglasses or reading glasses.

They should never be on top of a man's head.

Like ever.

Yeah.

They don't belong there.

I didn't know they belong there.

I'm actually.

It's crazy.

But did I miss something?

Did he not, right before they expressed I love you, say he wasn't sure?

Yeah.

Okay.

I was like, I know I'm watching this quickly, but

we were, Meg and I were both like, whoa, love you.

Holy shit.

He all that.

He hesitated before he said I love you.

He did.

They do that sometimes, though, in like the edit with Love is Blonde, and I don't love it.

Where they'll always have an engaged couple episode.

Like it's pretty typical to leave.

episode one on this cliffhanger reveal

and they don't go in sequential order right like clearly like they gave they gave like an attempt at what was like a montage, but kind of really gave you one clip to basically imply they've had a few dates.

This isn't like a second date because if you weren't paying attention, it felt like literally a second date where they got engaged.

Yeah.

I wanted to see more of it, but I didn't hate.

Even his silhouette.

Right eye.

Right eye, Natalie.

Wait.

On top of his head.

Watch as soon as the doors open.

What are you doing?

The glasses do work for him.

So it's like...

They really frame the nose and everything.

You know, it's like one person that was like, oh my God, you look so much better.

You're so right.

Wear your glasses.

Feels like that.

That is hilarious.

I love that.

So okay, I have to watch.

I have to watch more.

I do love Allie, though.

I think she's so sweet.

Yeah.

That's her.

That's star.

Yeah.

I'm

learning the names.

Elisa or something.

She goes by Allie, but I don't know.

She goes by Allie, but she was saying that her real name, and he's like...

Something Panini.

She's saying she's Ali.

Alini.

Oh, she's like, Ali.

Wasn't there anything?

She's Brazilian.

Was that?

Did I make that up?

Guys, no, no, no.

I'm not even watching it differently.

I could have sworn there.

Somebody has like five.

Someone has two.

No, no, no, that is her.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

That is her.

Okay.

Yeah.

That is her.

Yeah.

Sparkle Megan.

I

like, if I ever, if the first time I meet Nick, I'm like, hey, so my dad calls me Natsuki.

Don't give me a nickname.

Okay.

Like, let your friends call you that.

I do say big rage sometimes, but I wouldn't lead with that.

I wouldn't lead.

You'd have to ask me, do you have a nick then?

Totally.

I'm not going to ask you.

If you ask.

My friends call me, but who's still saying my friends call me this?

Who's still spending enough time with their friends that you're still getting like the nickname on a regular basis?

You didn't know me at 12.

You do not have a nickname for me.

Do you remember the Love is Blind with the guy?

who was so afraid of people dating him for his money, but then would lead with money talk?

Yeah, Leo.

Yes, Leo.

The art dealer.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

That's her.

Totally.

You know what I mean?

I'm not going to disclose what kind of car I drive.

What kind of car is it?

It's annoying that he keeps it.

I wanted to ask you, as a very successful, accomplished woman who, you know, has gone through a divorce.

We went talking about.

We read in the paper.

You drive a porridge or

the emblem is not simple.

And we have a lot of accomplished women who listen to the show on Ask Nick.

We talk about relationships, and

it it seems to be like a theme or a trope, whatever you want to call it.

And I, and I see both sides, because I'm sure there are a lot of

insecure men

who naturally, I will, like, who feel emasculated by dating a woman with success.

That's a real thing that I don't doubt that women can and do feel often in relationships if they're accomplished.

And especially if you, and I've always said, like, you know, even for me, like when I moved out to LA, I'm, I'm, like,

I'm like living in my buddy's place.

You know, I left my job.

Like, I didn't realize this in the moment, but like dating for me was like, I was, I was never going to settle down in that period of time where I was like, I'm, I'm, I don't know what I'm doing in a year.

Because I think as a guy, if you don't like know, you know, if you, if your future isn't figured out career-wise, it's very hard for you to commit to anything because you don't feel successful.

Yeah.

So I think that's a real thing.

But if you are a woman out there dating and you are successful, just the way she presents it, where it's almost like, is it that?

Is it just that?

Or is that like an excuse that you internalize?

Where it's just like, well, maybe you're just dating, maybe it's just different men, you know?

Where it's just like, if you are that successful at a certain age, at a certain point in your life, you must recognize you need to stop dating a certain type of guy.

who will feel that way around you.

But how do you feel about that?

Because I feel like sometimes it's used as an excuse.

Like sometimes we will,

we won't acknowledge the role we play in our bad decisions as daters.

And eventually we have to like start making different decisions.

And I, you know, when the way she said it, it just kind of came across as like an eye roll for me, but maybe I'm being a little too critical.

No, I mean, also, it seems like she leads with it.

And so if that's what you're leading with, if what we're getting is how you actually are in the dating world, it's a little off-putting.

And it can already, I think, make maybe a man who's insecure or feels a little less than feel even worse.

worse.

And if you're constantly talking with that, like that becomes your personality, which it feels like, then yeah,

it's a little off-putting or it's going to be detrimental to a relationship with the guy who maybe isn't on your level.

Whereas if you don't lead with that, it's such an interesting conversation because I know a lot of women, particularly in LA, that are successful and single.

and are in their 30s, early 40s.

And dating is really hard.

And there is this misconception.

And I think she says it of because I'm this, men expect that I want that as well.

And if they're not that, then they start feeling a certain way.

And she's right.

People see you and they're like, oh, she wants someone who's like this.

But when a woman, a lot of times, not all women are like this, but like when a woman is established and she's got all these things, what's missing from her life are things that aren't necessarily materialistic.

But there's this perception that that is exactly what we want.

Men already come feeling a little bit insecure.

And so it makes dating hard.

And I will also add that when I have met men who are successful, they actually are turned off by me being equally successful.

They want somebody who maybe isn't as a fit anything.

Like they want to be, they want someone impressed by their own success.

Yeah, like, yeah.

They want a cheerleader.

Or I see those men want to infantilize the women sometimes.

And of course, that's not all successful men, but in my experience, I've seen that or my friends experience that as well.

So what I think is so interesting about her setup right now, I'm really interested in her story.

She's presented with two men, one who is successful.

Yeah.

I'm not even going to count the one guy who keeps asking about the car.

Yeah.

Oh, the younger guy with the kid?

The first guy.

She keeps saying that Jordan, their lifestyles are totally different.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's Blake.

Who got, first of all, Jordan who got snipped after

one kid loves being a father, but got snipped.

I'm so confused by that.

Yeah.

What's that?

He got scared.

It was one night stand.

Yeah.

He must have had like a bad experience.

Or it could be because, you know, he is really, like his child was born with diabetes.

And so like maybe he's scared of another child.

I don't know.

He's a fuck boy.

He had a one-night stand, had a kid.

And we scared him.

Never again.

He's scared.

He's scared.

I love Jordan.

She's clocking it.

She's clocking it.

But Blake and then Mike.

It's like Mike matches her on paper.

But is that always good?

Blake seems to be the other person, like offers something more of, I feel like the missing puzzle piece.

What was this club that Mike said he was a part of like like this guy group where he's the like wellness club or something yeah like how these pill six pillars

I didn't trust that yeah it looked seemed like it seemed like an MLM you're you're an occult yes it's giving like and this is no shade it's like I like Tony Robbins yeah I like I listen to those kind of people I pop a I almost had a CD in

I turn on my podcast or whatever and it's like I'm listening to motivational stuff about how great of a man I am how like that's the energy that he gives me.

I think it's good to have role models and, and, and, and look to be self-improved, but not so much that you come on a TV show and lead

and talk about it being like a core tenant in your life, almost as if like it's your religion.

Yeah.

I read something that women who, I'm not saying this is a person because I don't want any shade, because I actually would love to have him on my podcast, but women who've date men who listen to Joe Rogan, that's an immediate turn off for them.

Oh, I feel like I saw this somewhere.

It was like a, a, and I, and I'm not saying he listens to a Joe Rogan again.

Like, I actually, that's my dream podcast guest.

I don't listen to Joe Rogan.

I have a lot of issues with him, but I, I want the conversation.

Yeah, totally.

But he gives me that energy of not maybe I listen to Joe Rogan, but like I'm in like the manosphere type.

Yeah.

And so I think that I would have clocked that, I feel like, if I were her of an immediate, like, wait a minute.

But I think there's a difference between, say, like someone who, let's say a guy listens to Joe Rogan and just, it's not his thing as opposed to a guy who, like, you'll know on the second date where he listens to Joe Rogan.

He's like, well, I was listening to Joe Rogan episode.

And everyone was like,

and Joe said, yeah, actually, Call of Flowers, bad for you.

It's a personality trait.

But, like, if you just happen to, like, if it's on your playlist every once in a while, because you listen to five of them, you know?

Yeah.

For sure, for sure.

But yeah, he's, there's something, I hope she doesn't pick a mic.

Yeah.

And I think I like Blake for her.

Yeah.

Because maybe of her trauma in dating, she has is particularly drawn to him because maybe she hasn't had someone like him.

But it would be a disaster.

It is crazy how many of these people we've never seen.

Oh, because they always cast like 30 and focus on 10.

I will say, though, I don't care how successful you are.

I will say that every guy, I don't care if he's ultra successful or not.

And I don't think it's a bad thing.

I think men do and need, they need a cheerleader.

Like,

all men need, they want someone to believe in them.

Right.

You know, they need to do their part.

And, you know, if they're going to date someone equally successful, I think both people want want a cheerleader.

And I think successful people, they want that validation.

You know, they want someone who's proud of them, who sees their effort, their grind, their hustle.

You know, so I don't think it's a bad thing to want someone to be a cheerleader.

It just has to be, if you're going to be two people in a successful relationship, you have to like mutually respect each other.

We're watching, not reality TV, but watching Black Rabbit right now on Netflix.

Okay.

And it's got Jude Law.

It's got

Jason Bateman.

And one of the characters, Jude Law's best friend, is like, you don't really know what he's a successful man.

He's like an artist,

musician.

And him and his girlfriend, who like goes to Jude Law, they're breaking up.

And she talks about how like, I'm living your life.

She's like this interior designer.

And it's just like, he, you know, when I bring that up, because like he just thinks she's supposed to be grateful for existing.

Right.

Like she's this there.

And she's like happy for him, but she doesn't just want to be grateful to be there.

She wants him to also like root for her too.

But you know what I'm saying?

So I think it's okay to want and have a cheerleader, but there needs to be reciprocity, especially if that other person you're dating gives a shit about their career and their accomplishments.

Because I don't care who you are.

Like even if you like Natalie loves being a mom and she, you know, like we together make a good trad wife.

But like there are, but there like she gives a shit about like being a like other things outside of being a mom, you know?

And I think, you know, I think sometimes in relationships, we will like forget about our partners' passions and our interests and just see them as like

they're useful in your life as opposed to like, how do they support each other's dreams?

I think that's, oh, sorry, sorry.

I was just going to say, you nailed it on the head with the key component is mutual respect.

You know what I mean?

Whatever you choose to do with your life, that it's like, I still deserve praise, whether it's making breakfast in the morning or going out and signing a million dollar deal.

Whatever it is, it's like at the end of the day, respect my role in this relationship as I respect yours.

And we should be supporting each other equally.

And And I'm sure like there's a lot a lot of the men in who feel emasculated naturally by their successful women partners.

I think they sometimes are afraid to be their cheerleader because they're of that jealousy.

If that jealousy comes in, like some for some reason, like there's a lot of couples out there who don't want to like, I've said this many times, and now it's the first relationship where I don't compete with her.

Yeah.

You know, and I never realized in past relationships that I was even competing, but you get away from it and you realize like it was always like this competition.

Sure.

You know, it was even little stuff, like outside of career.

It was just like, well, aren't we a team?

I love this conversation for anybody who's listening, who's if it, whether in a relationship or not, because, you know, as I said, I like reflect on my own faults in the marriage.

I was not a cheerleader in the beginning.

I grew up so being so independent.

Like, I'm not going to say I didn't grow up privileged, but my parents were very much so like, you figure it out.

You, you know, we're here if you need us, but you figure it it out.

Whereas my ex did not grow up that way.

It was very like dependent.

And as I learned through that, because we were in therapy before it all ended, it was like we think through things through a different way.

So for me, I wasn't cheerleading, encouraging.

And I think, not I think I know he really needed that.

And by the time I kind of realized that we were already on the end of it, I'm more, I'm your cheerleader of like, okay.

How do we figure this out?

How, like, like, what's the, what's the issue?

What's the problem?

That's me helping you.

But that's not what he needed.

He really needed the encouragement.

Do I think it would have helped?

No.

But my fault in it is rather than paying attention to what he needed and encouraging in that way, I was doing it my way.

And so I think that that's like a really important thing to note.

The way that Sparkle Megan talks about her house and her car, when they do hometowns, I'm expecting the biggest mansion ever.

But I'm also like, she's better.

Even what you're better.

She's better.

She's better, bro.

And it better be, he said, Ferrari.

She said, nope.

So I'm like, if it's a fucking Range Rover, like,

come on.

Do you think it's a Cybertruck?

Oh my God.

And that's why she won't say it.

And that's why she won't say what it is.

That's crazy.

It's a bright pink.

It's a sparkle.

That would be a cyber truck.

Oh, my God.

Now I kind of want it to be.

And then she can be with the Joe Rogan Manosphere guy.

Yeah.

It would be perfect.

That's just a thought.

Yeah.

I'm like, who else stood out in the episode?

You're right.

There's so many people on there that I'm like, well, we only watched one episode.

It came out

Anna and Patrick.

Both of them were like, oh, yeah, Patrick.

I thought that was the same thing.

That's only dated white.

Yeah, they both were like talking about the same thing, right?

It's the same story.

She was like, yeah.

Do you think secondly?

Yeah.

Do you like my parents?

Oh, no, yeah.

It was like, oh, sorry.

They asked the middle name.

It was like, oh, they're trying to get.

But then I was thrown off by, is it Casey?

Yeah.

We saw a bit of her.

Yes.

Yes.

She flat out says, my sister with blonde hair.

I know.

A cute, a cute blonde white girl.

Wait, it's like, I thought you couldn't do that.

That's what I was like, no, wait a second.

Yeah, you can't get family descriptions.

Casey is good.

She's like, my sister is gorgeous.

She's so hot.

Really great body, like the hottest person.

It's like a lot of fun.

And like the jeans are great in our family, you know?

She's the one that's like an international pop star.

Yeah, she's K-pop.

K-pop.

I don't know if she's international.

I mean, she is.

That's international.

She lives there.

She performs in Korea.

She does perform internationally.

Maybe it's the star part.

No, but you're so right.

They literally gave the entire thing.

She's like, by the way, also access to Korea.

I was pissed.

I was pissed.

Yeah.

Casey, I've only seen it in one episode.

So for those of you who are listening to this and have watched ahead, maybe there's context we're missing.

But she is, because she's obviously a beautiful woman.

She is giving the type of girl who just chokes the fuck.

Not literally, but just like kind of like, well, if she has one good date, she'll just decide she falls in love with him and will just like suffocate the relationship.

Because like she seems to have so much going for her and you kind of wonder why she's struggling so much.

And, you know, she's on that treadmill.

She grinds.

She's like, you know, she's, she's maximum effort.

You know, she gives it her all.

And she can't figure out why it's not working for her.

She has one good date.

She decides she's in love with this guy, and then she will just suffocate the shit out of the relationship until he's just like, I can't do it anymore.

Like, force it.

Yeah.

Like, hold on, hold things.

Stand by her phone, waiting to text.

Just like, what is it?

Are you okay?

Are you okay?

Is it everything?

Is everything okay?

You know, that kind of she's giving that energy.

Oh, I can't wait to see her move in with someone.

Yeah, like, that's my favorite.

So, I'm excited to see Sparkle Megan move in with someone.

She feels like she's going to be.

It's going to be Mike.

She's totally unchanged.

You know, who, who, who, who was talking to the.

she was just the one who was talking to the 29 year old kind of nerdy guy and she was just kind of Nick Joe Joe she was talking to Joe yeah and I'm like this chick's mean like she oh I know what you're talking about

it's mad at me and it's just like she's already goofing around like it you know and which one's Joe because then I'll remember Joe's the one that like kind of looks like um yeah she's talking to Joe Jacob Alorty and

it was just like she was just yeah target

on the first date where you're joking and you're joking, you're just kind of negging them and you're just kind of like poking them.

And it's just like it was the whole they were talking about their dream date and she was like, Yes, she was like, Yes, pick up from 7-Eleven.

That's where I left off.

You pick up from 7-Eleven and where do we go from there?

You can't imagine if you forgot like the milk from the grocery store in this relationship.

She's like, oh my gosh.

And it ends with, and finally we got there.

Yeah.

And they were like teamwork.

And I was like,

she talks shit about her boyfriends.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, it's also like your dream date, but it does, the stipulation is it has to start at 7-Eleven seems a bit odd.

Of like, just let him restart.

Let him do his thing.

Like, you don't want to know what he would do for you.

Exactly.

Oh, that makes me think of, because I was about to say, yes, the give and the take you're just talking about, but that made me go back to Mike.

When did Mike perk up with Megan when she said she believed in traditional roles?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

He was like, yikes.

Yeah.

Like, listen, to each their own.

It's just like, he was like, man, this Megan.

After that, He was a totally different person Yeah, he heard exactly what he wanted to do and then he said something about like leaving his dishes That's what it was Would you get mad at me if I left my dishes?

And she's like no I like do more traditional roles and he was like nope fucking great and it's just like well at least make an effort I don't think Nally's washed a single dish in our entire marriage That is not

good for if you if you haven't because that man goes back to the six pillars and tells everybody that he left their i haven't listened i haven't washed a single pair of clothes single pair of clothes I haven't washed.

I haven't done any laundry since I've just started to date Natalie.

And you bust.

And it works.

Exactly.

So you said you guys make a great trot for you.

She's like, I don't do dishes.

And I'm like, great, I don't do laundry.

Deal.

Yeah, I'll do the dishes.

I just don't like washing pans.

I like to put everything in the dishwasher.

The dishwasher is what it means.

I agree.

Sorry.

I washes my hands if there's a dishwasher.

There's lots of things that just do not belong in the dishwasher.

And she's like, my steak knives don't go in the dishwasher.

That's actually true.

They will rust.

They will turn into something different.

Rachel.

Because I do.

I don't like to wash dishes either, but there are certain things that do not happen.

I don't shop.

I don't go to Target.

I don't decorate.

I definitely don't do laundry.

That's fine.

I mow the lawn.

Period.

That's the most manly thing I do.

Could we have a list of all of your other chores?

It was a little dark with...

Sparkle Megan talking to Jordan about his son having the diabetes.

And she's like, oh, my father died of diabetes.

And then he was like,

she's like, I'm not saying, she's like, I think your son will be totally fine.

It's like, I don't think anyone wants was talking about that.

He's five and your dad was old.

That was rigid.

She said, she was like, oh my gosh, my dad, my dad died.

And I was like, whoa, no.

I thought she was going to say, oh, my gosh, I know what you've been through.

My dad did, but my dad lived a long, long

life.

There had been a lot of

things that happened that caused him to die.

She's like, it was.

She's She's like, well, that means Conor Diabetes.

And she's not into Jordan.

I'm telling you, it's Blake or Mike.

Blake or Mike.

Because Jordan, every time he gets in, he's like, what's kind of car do you drive?

I've gone through the list.

And he's like, I feel like we live very different lives.

I drive a Kia forte.

She was like, oh, do you?

She does not.

And she's like, poor.

She doesn't seem like the kind that wants to

stepson.

Well, he's like,

something.

It was giving middle management.

And, you know, no,

Not for Sparkle, Megan.

Not for Sparkle.

It's not for her.

Wait, was he the branch manager?

Yeah.

But he's really proud of it.

He was really proud of it.

I like people who are passionate about what they do.

He's like, I'm really proud of you.

That's not going to work for Sparkle.

It's not going to work for Sparkle.

She heard manager and was like.

But that's kind of my point.

And you were right.

I think she's successful.

But I think she has a way of emasculating the men she dates as a way to validate herself.

And maybe it's a combination of the men she's dating not validating her, but like, it's not just all these men just can't handle a successful woman.

Yeah, there's a way to be proud about what you do.

But again, it's all about what you lead with, right?

Like, I'm not going to lead with certain successes.

I want you to get to know me or, you know, like what I like to do for fun.

Do we know what Megan likes to do for fun other than shop?

I mean, when she walked through and they were showing us her jewels,

I was trying to pause.

I was really trying to pay attention and figure out what it was.

I really respected him for being like, and I fucking hate her name.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, me too.

He's like, no, but a lot.

She's cool, but the fucking name sucks.

It's got to go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, as somebody who has seen all six of the episodes, you guys are in for a really incredible rest of the episodes whenever you decide to watch them this weekend.

I'm just saying it gets.

Yeah, as someone who's seen without, without spilling anything how do you feel about some of our takes i will say one of your takes is very off oh my god but we had a lot of them so i feel like it's been off yeah i'm only saying one i'm not trying to spoil only one is for you guys

at least one of your takes is very off there it is way off way off

way off i'm in i never i'm not one for like love reality shows and has nothing with the bachelor i've always just been more into the lifestyle i don't even do really do competition ones

except for like traders.

Yeah, like I like I like the lifestyle ones, but Love is Blind is the one I've been in and out of when they move in together

No,

it's when they go to the honeymoon

place and they see the person that they almost picked and then it's like oh she's kind of hot or like And it's right off that high versus like spending a night together And then like one of them always expects to hook up and the other one is always like I don't know you should sleep on the couch.

You know, it's always just the vibes.

It's so good.

But I feel like, are we going to meet more people, like couples, through the next episode?

Because I feel like things move really fast now.

They do, yeah.

Where I'm like, we're already at an engagement meeting up.

Yeah.

And I know that we always end an episode like that, but I'm just like, I don't know, because I kind of want to participate the way that they do.

Where I'm like, I want to wear the blindfold and I want to listen and try to figure out.

And when they meet up, I want to be like, that's who they are.

Because right now, I'm like, I could forget all of these faces in an hour.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

So I'm like, I kind of want to play along.

Are you watching Golden Bachelor at all?

Or are you?

Yeah.

I'm obviously turned off at the man and what he said.

Obviously.

And then I saw, because like, it's also my algorithm, right?

So I saw that he did end up eliminating a lot of women over 60.

So I was like, okay, this is.

So you mean what you said?

Yeah.

The most intriguing thing to me about this man is that he's black.

Like, why are we not talking about this?

That was.

I was like, wait, what?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

I should be watching, honestly.

Mary called it out for me too.

She was like, Did you catch that?

And I was like, my dad worked for the baseball team and Diana Ross lived behind him.

And she's like, no, he's not black.

And I was like, excuse me?

Yeah, I was like, I don't know if this is necessarily like my place to bring this up on the show, but it's definitely something that I'm thinking about.

Yes.

I almost was like, should I?

Like, no, let me just save it for Taylor Frankie Paul.

And that's what I'm into.

Oh, gosh, gosh.

But I, yeah, I was, I I was trying to, I was watching a little bit last night and I'm, and I think, yeah, a lot has to do with he clearly doesn't like any of these women.

And that's fine.

But why did they, you know, his ex-wife's 45.

It's like, like, she is?

Yeah.

How old is he?

Did you 63 or something?

She's 45 now?

Yeah.

He needs to be on age of attraction.

He was serious.

He does need to be on his age of attraction.

He finished casting.

He's 62.

We're getting him on the.

But I just like that, you know, you watched the golden, like the first, even the first season, because it was like so heartwarming.

And you watched and you cried.

And now I'm just like...

You just go in.

But he just has to be a scammer, right?

Yeah.

But we didn't know that.

I've said this before, but I think that they need to raise the age of Golden Bachelor.

I think that they should lean toward the older people because it's getting too young.

Maybe, but like your Bachelor can't be a guy.

They're 0 for 2.

Your Golden Bachelor can't be Aegist.

It's fucking weird.

They all did.

I liked that they all poked fun at him at the roast about about it, though.

Sure, but like it doesn't make it any more sense.

And you're out.

We've also been poking fun at it for the first two episodes or three episodes.

So it's kind of like, okay, there's no connections really happening here if this is the only thing that we can roast him out.

You loved it because it was heartwarming, charming, and now it's just kind of

a bit.

Well, yeah, as a single person, I'm like, oh, great.

So they don't grow out of it.

Yeah.

Great.

No.

So you're always going to be a little bit more.

They always want younger.

So you're telling me.

That's all I take away.

When I turned 27 this year, Nick was like, wow, it's really interesting that you're 27 now.

And I'm like, oh,

just to let you know, motherfucker,

you're 45.

Okay.

Don't you forget it.

Don't you forget it.

No, that's not exactly how it went.

She's like, I'm 27.

That's,

I'm like, yeah.

It's really weird.

Well, with more, the truth is I was more like, yeah, you know, because like early days, I was pretty.

It's sweating it.

Yeah, self-conscious.

But like, you don't need to know.

I told you guys to be self-conscious.

When I first learned about you, I was like, don't be so, I was like, don't be self-conscious about that.

Good for you.

Period.

Thanks, Rachel.

When I was younger.

Thanks, Rachel.

Wait, Nick and Rachel, I have a question for both of you.

Maybe we've asked this before.

I don't remember.

But who are the kind of people that are in the audience at these kind of events?

Like these roasts, these strip dances, all these group date competitions.

Yeah, they'll usually make like an announcement if you're in the area.

And they put out a flyer.

Yeah.

That's fantastic.

Because they'll put it up on like social and stuff.

Yeah, you can see it.

But it's, yeah, it's, it's fans, women, mostly women.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Past cast members trying to make it back.

Yeah.

It's a cameo.

Even though I have said I would come back for Taylor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I probably did.

I'm just talking.

You should.

Oh, you should.

Give her the pep talk.

It's going to be so good.

It's going to be good, but it's, I just keep telling people, a line has been drawn in the sand.

Like, stop wishing for the yesteryear.

Like the people who are like, oh, but it's changed.

Good.

It needs to.

It's not going to be the same.

I, she will not find love.

And I, and I'm fine with that.

That's not the show that I'm signing up for.

Like, I, it's, I mean, like, she will fall because she's like, loves love.

And I think that that's something that's

genuine about her, right?

Like, I, I like that she's unapologetically.

She falls quickly and she knows that and she owns it.

I like that, but I'm not expecting her to be a you know, I don't know,

I was trying to name a bachelorette, you know, like of yesterday, Trista.

I'm like, I'm not expecting her to be that, I'm expecting her to be herself.

No, I love you, Trista.

They might, they might, because they're they, they're gonna bring in Hannah, they're gonna bring in Trista, yeah, they'll bring in a sit-down,

I don't give a fuck.

I'm not gonna bring in Rachel, they're not gonna bring in me, but they're probably like, let's keep her away, even though I'm such, I am so supportive of they don't bring us they're we're yeah they don't bring

us

black sheep

they're like they don't need us so we don't need them i wonder what our what our reputation is now that there's like new production mostly new production what they producers it's like they're of course they've heard of us but like what do they know it's like no i've heard about you i don't want to i'm just like curious as to what what what the thing is but i'm for it i'm i'm here to help her.

I'm here to help her.

Bring me back for her to have fun.

That's all I want to see.

And I'm happy that they made this move finally.

But like, never mind.

Don't continue with Hulu stars as your leads.

That's all I'll say.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think we won and done it.

Yeah, for sure.

I think you can bring other people in who are

who have a platform, but don't like keep bringing in Hulu stars.

I don't want to see a Nader sister.

That's what I'm trying to say.

Yes.

And it's nothing against their show.

It's just like, there's just so much of it.

And I'm just like, I don't want to see it.

Yeah.

It's just, I don't want to, I don't want to like, every time I see a page six article come up, it would be so, it's just so much.

I don't want to be able to do it.

The one is very trying to make their

diverse.

They are.

So they're trying very hard.

I don't, don't force it on us.

And that like Taylor did not feel forced.

Taylor felt like totally something new, something refreshing.

But if you keep it going, I'm like, ah.

Well, the hope is, I'm assuming the hope is that she will.

They've fucked it up before.

Like they fucked it up with Joey.

Joey gave him a shot in the arm and then they fucked it up.

So they could always fuck it up again.

And they're good at fucking it up.

They're picking her.

The hope is they cast a great man.

Guys, Taylor's very

fun men.

But she's, you know, Taylor's appealing.

Hopefully they'll get, you know,

this is really sweet.

And I know you guys are friends with taylor and you want the best for her but the reality is and i again i'm a such a fan of their show i like it the reality is men who are going to be coming on this show sadly for her

again this is not a dig at her sadly for her are going to step into they're gonna have to move to utah they're going to deal with two baby daddies and they're going to deal with three kids and possibly be on another show I feel sorry for her in the sense that somebody's going, most will be opportunists.

Yeah.

Most will be.

I hope half of them are fathers.

That's

the least that they could do.

That's what I said.

Not have 30 and not have 30 men.

Like maybe let's have 12, 15.

Maybe it's a little bit more intimate for her.

You know, we start in Utah.

I think that they like, you know how Dancing with the Stars kind of like taps into the TikTok of it all?

I think this show should tap into the TikTok.

I think she should be allowed to use her phone a little bit.

Oh, I've been saying this.

They need to give the lead a phone that is controlled by the show and they can access text messages and like they should give all the guys a phone that's like not connected to the outside world, but access to Taylor.

Instead of sneaking out, you could sneak texts.

Right.

Right.

You know, and modernize it though.

Right.

I think that, yeah, I.

for the if if we're really trying to help taylor find love i think that you can't throw 30 men at her who are gonna love bomb her because you really could change the name of the show to love bombing because that's what it is but yeah i i want to see i would hope that she finds it, but she's not.

Yeah.

We're there to be entertained.

They're going to put her in pressure cooker situations.

Those parents are going to come.

Hometowns are going to be good.

Hometowns are going to be great.

Hometowns are real good.

Those parents are going to come.

No, but you're so right.

They need to be like men that are very much vetted, rooted in their careers or like been able to be remote or flexible, but like have priorities and responsibilities outside of just like wanting to be on another TV show.

Honestly, I hope they go a little bit older.

Yeah.

Well, give her some older men who have kids.

Hot, hot older men.

To Rachel's point, though, is that she knows, and I know, that they're not casting for Taylor most of the time.

They don't really give a fuck.

They're not,

it's not their priority.

Yeah.

Right.

Where if they really cared about Taylor, half the men would be dads or like fit a certain type of type or whatever, whatever Taylor's preferences are.

They would sit down and like really want to get to know what she's into.

And they don't do that.

They don't forget it.

Well, we'll see.

We'll see.

But we will be entertained.

We will.

Rachel, it's always a pleasure.

Thank you, guys.

This is so much fun.

Now that we're really close to your house, we expect you to be on more.

Yep.

Yeah.

I love coming on here.

We have a good time.

We do.

You make me comfortable.

And then I'm like, all right.

What are the lines going to be?

What did I say?

This is who she doesn't want to be.

So his dick size is.

Remind my audience where they can find you and and enjoy all the great stuff you're doing.

Thank you for that.

You can catch me.

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I already said that.

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