E1017 - Love Is Blind w/ Michelle Buteau, RHOSLC, RHOP, DWTS & Taylor Frankie Paul Drama

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Speaker 1 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by my beautiful wife, the rest of the household.

Speaker 1 We're here in LA. We're in the studio.
We're rocking and rolling. We're having a great time.
Lots to get into. Amazing episode for you lined up.
But first and foremost,

Speaker 1 just a reminder that yesterday's going deeper with the one and only Robert Irwin and his dancing partner, Whitney Carson. They're all great, but this one really touched our soul.

Speaker 2 This one was good. It touched our soul.

Speaker 3 It was a full-circle moment for me. It got emotional.

Speaker 3 It was funny. A lot of laughs.

Speaker 2 Tears.

Speaker 1 It was just great. You know, all around.

Speaker 1 The best cry is when you feel good doing it. You know?

Speaker 6 The best cry is when you feel good doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it's like kind of weird, like emotional, happy tears.

Speaker 2 I'm a happy crier.

Speaker 1 I don't cry when I'm sad. Mostly.
I have to be like devastated to cry when I'm sad.

Speaker 1 But like when I'm like I'm dancing with the stars, and Alan and I went last night, it was dedication night, holding in the tears. Every dance

Speaker 5 is emotional.

Speaker 2 I was watching from home and I sobbed. It was, yeah.

Speaker 3 And speaking of Robert and Whitney, the, you know, they play obviously like their intro package or whatever of them talking and the the dancers are kind of like waiting until the music starts.

Speaker 3 So they're listening to their intro package and they play it on like a big screen for the audience to watch. And I took a photo of Whitney and Robert because it was so sweet.

Speaker 3 She's like holding his, she's like covering his ears and Robert is like whispering to himself like, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. And it was just like the sweetest moment ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, here it was.

Speaker 3 Oh, God, it was so good.

Speaker 3 Every single one had me crying.

Speaker 5 Every single one, every time somebody came out for their dedication, I was just like,

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 I could not hold it in.

Speaker 3 And the contemporary dance is also just like so emotional in itself.

Speaker 1 It was really, really good. Before we talk more about Dance with the Stars, also on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, we had Carlos King of Bravo Lore,

Speaker 1 former Bravo producer, host of his own show. Great insight in all things Reality TV and Bravo.

Speaker 3 Funny, fun.

Speaker 1 Just a great time. Also, we had Annie from Love is Blind, which we'll get into later this episode, talking about the most recent episode.

Speaker 2 Did they break up? Didn't that? Was that? Yeah, that's what we watched. Yeah, that's what we watched.

Speaker 3 It was very confusing.

Speaker 5 It was the weirdest breakup I've ever watched. I've never seen someone deny.

Speaker 3 And honestly, that's what I would do if Nick was like, I want a divorce. I'd be like, well, no.

Speaker 3 So, anyways, what do you want for dinner?

Speaker 2 Just to get out with me. You can't make one plus one equal three.
Watch me. Literally watched me.
Loved it. What did she say? That's the best.
That's the power of women.

Speaker 5 That's my type of math, actually.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm curious. Like, did you find her at least entertaining in this last episode?

Speaker 2 Oh, I've never said I don't find her entertaining.

Speaker 6 I just think I'm really sorry for her about this edit because we all know it's just the edit's fault.

Speaker 1 Also, joining us later this episode, Michelle Buteau. She's the host of the Circle on Netflix, hilarious comedian.
Also, just a fan of all things reality TV. We'll talk a little housewives with her.

Speaker 1 Some Love is Blood. She'll be up shortly.
Back to Dancing with the Stars. Arbor Dylan, I think, highest score of the night.

Speaker 2 Arbor. Arbur? Arbor Dylan.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he honestly,

Speaker 3 so good. It was so good.
I felt like it deserved a 10.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be on. No, no, no.
I think it did.

Speaker 5 I know they liked it.

Speaker 2 Too early to be 10. I know.

Speaker 2 Boring. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 He's got the best compliment of the night.

Speaker 1 In addition to having the best score, he had the best compliment of the night, which was, I don't know which judge said it to him, but they think one of them referred to him as the most improved.

Speaker 1 And when it comes to Dancing with the Stars, that's all you really want to hear.

Speaker 1 Can someone quickly look up Bobby Bone's comments regarding the recent exit of a Hilaria Baldwin, who a few days ago, I believe, blamed. I don't know, she blamed they.
I don't know who they is.

Speaker 1 She said they, them. She said they bullied me.

Speaker 2 Yes. They bullied them.

Speaker 1 They bullied her off Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 1 And not sure who she was referring to, but Bobby Bones, former winner of Dancing with the Stars,

Speaker 2 also has, I believe, a large radio show.

Speaker 1 He had some choice words for Hilaria. He did.

Speaker 6 So following Hilaria's claims that she would bullied off dancing with the stars here's what bobby bones said i was reading about hilaria baldwin saying she was bullied off dancing with the stars as someone who was treated like crap by the hardcore fans of the show yeah bullying happens but you don't get bullied off the show you get kicked off the show because nobody voted for you i mean so that's bull crap she was a great dancer she was somebody who came in with a ton of dance experience obviously but no no no you don't get bullied off the show i don't know her but you got eliminated because people didn't like you.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Okay, well, that was my little heart.
Well, I mean, that's kind of.

Speaker 5 But it's not wrong. I'm like, at the end of the day, I think they is America, who she's talking about.

Speaker 2 America is non-binary.

Speaker 2 Only in your dreams, Mary.

Speaker 5 But it's true because I'm like, I think of all the jokes in the, you know, how do you say cucumber and whatnot, that I think that she thinks that, like, we chose to bully her off the show, but it's like, no, we just didn't vote for you.

Speaker 1 And she is entertaining, but when you're picking between, how do you say cucumber versus Dylan Evron and Robert Irwin?

Speaker 2 Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Whitney Levitt.

Speaker 3 Do you think she would have dedicated to Alec?

Speaker 2 No. No.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't feel like she would either. She would.

Speaker 3 She'd be like my 800 children because she'd be like, I'm dedicating this to my fourth cousin once removed.

Speaker 2 She's like, she's a

Speaker 3 no, Whitney's.

Speaker 2 Honestly,

Speaker 3 Whitney and Connor,

Speaker 3 yeah, they, that was beautiful.

Speaker 1 We also saw Zach Affleck there with the kiddos sitting across from us just like holding court trying and you know the kids were like fighting over snacks. It was really quite cute and hilarious.

Speaker 1 That was all very BTS behind the scenes.

Speaker 5 When they flashed to him after Jen's performance and one of the babies is on his lap just like screaming and I was just like, God bless you.

Speaker 3 It was, he had his, their, their daughter, I don't know, she's, she's got to be around Rivers age, a little bit older, around two.

Speaker 3 And you could tell, obviously, she just like wants to run, you know, like she's not interested in sitting still. And he is like bribing her with everything under the sun.

Speaker 2 And it was just the sweetest.

Speaker 5 She's like, grandma gets to go out there.

Speaker 1 I know it's easy to point out flaws and certainly with some of the casts of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Speaker 1 But I got to say, you know, as someone who's really got to know this entire cast, including the men on the show, the husbands, we had Dakota on. He's had his issues.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure we haven't watched season three yet, but. I think Jordan and Jesse go through some stuff.

Speaker 1 But I really got to say, like, some of these guys I've gotten to know, they're really sweet men, especially Connor, you know, Whitney's husband. You know, we, you saw it at the reunion part one.

Speaker 1 He certainly has had his trauma. Yeah.
He's just a sweet soul. He did so well.

Speaker 1 You could tell how nervous he was. And even Zach Affleck.
I know, like, season one, he was enemy number one.

Speaker 1 The Zach I've gotten to know in person, he stood up to his family, his religion, chose his wife. He's a stay-at-home dad, supporting his wife.
I don't know. I got a lot of respect for Zach Affleck.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's really stepped up as a young man.

Speaker 1 And I've gotten to enjoy my limited time with Jace and Jacob. I hope we get to know more of these men.

Speaker 1 Again, I haven't seen season three, so maybe I'll eat my words and they're all like assholes. Who knows?

Speaker 3 But even Jen, like, she posted that she was like on her deathbed so sick this entire last week. And she still, I mean, went out there and crushed.
And it's just like, it's crazy what

Speaker 2 can do.

Speaker 1 He's just a sexy dancer.

Speaker 3 Not Carrie-Ann coming for Pasha's choreography, telling Danielle that like every dance looks the same.

Speaker 1 Well, she said it to Danielle.

Speaker 2 No, I know.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Is she coming up with the choreography?

Speaker 3 But then you could see Daniella, Pasha's wife, Dylan's partner, like up on the balcony being like, what the fuck is this bitch talking about?

Speaker 2 Let me die.

Speaker 1 I think I only have nice memories of her, but she really was a buzzkill. I mean, I know that's like her job.
She plays a Simon Cowell of the Judges, but what a fucking buzzkill.

Speaker 1 It's fucking dedication night. And she's just like, just one note.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Keep her, keep her head back. You've got Petrono sobbing.

Speaker 5 You've got Derek sobbing.

Speaker 1 No one gives a fuck. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know.

Speaker 7 Who was it last season that she said something harsh to you? It was Chandler and she dedicated something to her mom, right?

Speaker 5 I don't know, but Carriana's the only one that I know that gets booed on a regular. And she's just, now it's part of her like speech.
She's like, I get it. I can handle being booed.

Speaker 5 Gleb

Speaker 3 came up and hugged Nick before he hugged Nick. He winked at me

Speaker 3 and then came over and gave Nick a big hug. I don't know what he whispered in your ear, but it was feeling like maybe he had some stuff to say.
No, I mean, I know plenty about him.

Speaker 3 Also, because I had lunch with Miss Mary Hollandader the other day.

Speaker 1 We should invite him on the show.

Speaker 3 We should invite him. I'm sure he would have lots to say.

Speaker 5 What did the wink mean?

Speaker 3 I don't know. It felt like he was like, I

Speaker 3 know what the two of you, you know, you platformed Brooks and like all that stuff. And it was kind of giving like, I don't care.

Speaker 3 You know?

Speaker 1 His whole MO is like it's it's very shaggy it wasn't me

Speaker 2 yeah it wasn't me yeah and it was kind of giving like you know what i know but all good you know like i'm still here dancing shaking my ass and you thought

Speaker 5 yeah exactly have you guys been uh keeping up with any of the secret lives and mormon wives dramas specifically our bachelorette taylor frankie paul offline um other than i just i kind of just like everything she puts out there so i sent in support of our queen i sent in a group chat taylor Frankie Paul posted a reel, and it was of her, Miranda, and Macy, and a girl I didn't recognize.

Speaker 2 Miranda's friend, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then it was captioned, just found out the snake in the middle is sleeping with my baby daddy, meanwhile, crying to me because she just got dumped by a married man.

Speaker 1 Who's the snake in the middle?

Speaker 5 The girl I had never seen before. She's got dark hair.
I don't know if she's going to be an addition on the show. I have her Instagram screenshotted.

Speaker 2 So I sent it.

Speaker 5 And then obviously we know Taylor Frankie Paul Paul stands on business. Yep.
And when I went to go look at it again, it was gone. And I'm like, she's not one to post and delete.

Speaker 5 So I went to Miranda's page because Miranda had posted a video with this girl also.

Speaker 2 And I love Miranda.

Speaker 5 I deleted the video. So I was like, oh my God, now I have to put on my crazy hat and I have to go and try and find this person.

Speaker 2 Become an FBI. Yes.

Speaker 5 So I went to her talked photo, Miranda's talked photos, found the video, went to this girl's page.

Speaker 5 And then Taylor Frankie Paul had commented on the last video that she posted with Miranda and said, girls seek help. Oh, yesterday when it was posted at 37 minutes at 70 likes.

Speaker 5 This morning it has 1,070. But yeah, everyone's going to this girl's page trying to figure out like who she is.
And apparently, she's sleeping with Dakota.

Speaker 5 And then my question to you is: because she is our new bachelorette, do you think that she had to delete it based off of the network?

Speaker 5 Because this is the first kind of out-of-pocket bachelorette they've ever had that would move this.

Speaker 1 They have certainly reached out to leads in the past to

Speaker 1 ask them to take things down or try to police their social media. Yeah, it's definitely possible.

Speaker 7 Taylor did comment something saying, I have receipts of her trying to hang with me multiple times. Thankfully, I didn't.
I'm getting messages of how sneaky she is.

Speaker 7 Honestly, I think this is the perfect couple.

Speaker 5 Oh, even going through like the girl's page, it's like Taylor's commenting on everything being like, beautiful, mama. Like, I support you.

Speaker 5 Like, you can tell she very much was a shoulder for this girl to cry on. And obviously, this is post.
third season of Secret Lives Mormon Wives.

Speaker 5 So I don't even know if we're going to meet this girl, but she's already being.

Speaker 1 Listen, it's going to be a fascinating crossover. It only makes me more interested in watching Taylor as the bachelorette.
But the worlds are colliding.

Speaker 1 And it's a little water and vinegar in the sense that you have this is ABC Disney, so to speak, right? You know, very prim and proper.

Speaker 1 It's fan base,

Speaker 1 its OG fan base does not like messy, clean cut, problematic, and I say problematic, the perception of problematic or just, you know, openly vulnerable. But obviously, Mormon Wives and

Speaker 1 these episodic series following these groups of people very much promotes that.

Speaker 5 Thrives on the drama.

Speaker 1 It'll be interesting.

Speaker 7 Someone commented on the photo saying there's like five girls who all look the same. Which one is in the middle?

Speaker 5 And it's literally the only girl with dark hair.

Speaker 2 Literally.

Speaker 2 It's well, when there's four. Four is hard.

Speaker 1 Which is the middle? No, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 But I'm like, there was three of them we recognized.

Speaker 7 Layla's also in it. So like there's two girls with dark hair, but it's just funny.

Speaker 3 But you know Layla.

Speaker 2 You know Macy. Exactly.
You know Jesse.

Speaker 5 you know and then there's one girl we don't know who is in the middle breaking news she actually posted i guess in her she is in the middle girl as in the middle snake that is sleeping with the baby daddy if you have a problem with me call me if you don't have my number then that means you don't know me well enough to have a problem isn't that a quote from buckology no no yeah i don't also think that's true

Speaker 5 no but uh i can have a problem with you and not know your number that and i'm like she clearly does have your number my friend because she's been commenting support support for you while you've been crying on her shoulder and i'm also kind of like let's not go toe-to-toe with taylor frankie paul yeah you're gonna lose you're gonna lose

Speaker 2 so bad some people don't mind losing if it makes them famous i mean i guess yeah

Speaker 6 if it gets you on season four of the mormon wives oh my god yes

Speaker 6 the beautiful thing about the way Mormon wives drama works is that you get to see it happen online and then you get to relive it in more detail years later. It's like the Marvel Cinematic, whatever.

Speaker 5 You're You're actually so not wrong because I was thinking about this, where I was like, this whole thing going on with Jesse and her husband, like where, and it was Vanderpump Villa and the Mauricio Marciano of it all that it's just like, I completely forgot about all of that.

Speaker 5 And then I'm like, oh my God, it's been like, what, six months, eight months? And now I'm about to pick up where we left off.

Speaker 6 Now we're going to get the truth.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, Jason Tardick's ex has a new flame.

Speaker 3 I don't think that's true. She was just posting someone that wasn't John Mayer.

Speaker 1 Well, John Mayer is reported, John Mayer is reportedly dating influencer Kat Stickler, also known as the ex of Jason Tardick.

Speaker 1 After the two were seen together twice in two days, a source is the relationship is still very new and that the musician 47 is the one who sought her out, according to the source.

Speaker 3 She's literally been posting. Not showing his face.
Not showing his face. Another man.
Maybe this is like all part of this.

Speaker 5 elaborate plan or something, but it's one thing we know about John Mayer is that he does not like his his tryst his relationships to be talked about publicly i.e. Sheena,

Speaker 1 she's like she's gonna do like like he's been reaching out about it. He's been pursuing me.
He's obsessed with me.

Speaker 5 Are you trying to make me think that the guy that's in these videos is John Mayer?

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I believe this.

Speaker 3 Yeah, maybe they're just like friends. Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 5 But again, that's kind of weird. Why are you going if you have a new boyfriend? Why are we going out with John Mayer?

Speaker 1 But what random source would be offering this information? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like well, it's like Dumois recently reported that Mayer and Stickler were seen at a private members-only club in New York City last Friday.

Speaker 1 That is a nothing thing. People get seen together all the time, but there is a source who is saying things like, it's still very new.
Yeah. He's the one who reached out.
He's pursuing her.

Speaker 1 Like, who is this source? What motives, like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Who benefited? The source is typically the person themselves.

Speaker 1 their reps they're reps they're publicists they got seen is like that could be anyone being like nosy and be like i saw them but this is like an insider that it's still very new he's pursuing her and and john mayer doesn't really like a need to pursue but i'm like john mayer just like doesn't really have relationships so that's where just kind of like you let you letting this out of the bag even whether it's happening or not it's over whether this is true it's not a good look for cat that the story got out yeah or like the you don't think so well if she just simply wants to be connected to john Mayer, then sure, but I, I don't see unless he's just obsessed with her and just want, but like this getting out to Sierra's point is going to give him the ick.

Speaker 1 And it's giving very

Speaker 1 amateur hour in a way.

Speaker 1 And if it's not her, she has terrible friends.

Speaker 5 And again, it's also like

Speaker 5 raises questions as people who like do follow her with this new boyfriend and whatnot. Like, did you break up with this guy to be with John Mayer? Like, like, was, was that even real?

Speaker 5 Like, is this even real?

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, it's, it's, it's giving. We hung out for two days, and I want to tell the world because I want my name next to John Mayer in the headlines.

Speaker 1 And whether that's how it went down, that's how it looks.

Speaker 5 So I guess we'll see if he shows up on reels doing TikTok trends, then like, hey, more power to you, Cap.

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Speaker 2 welcome to the show michelle thank you how are you i don't i don't know you don't know i don't know how i am

Speaker 4 very fall today i love it well i'm in from new york you know what i mean so like we have sea zones And I don't know how to, like, what do I, what do I like dress like?

Speaker 4 I'm wearing a Trader Joe's every time I come.

Speaker 4 So I don't know. I had a turtleneck on the other day, and I'm like, yes.

Speaker 2 You brought the rain.

Speaker 4 I brought the rain. And thank God.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Thank God, thank God that I don't know how I'm doing.

Speaker 4 Like, my kids are real cute.

Speaker 4 I love working, I have freckles, they're real.

Speaker 2 So, I feel like I'm just superior, honestly.

Speaker 4 Thank you so much. I drew on mine.

Speaker 2 You did? I did. Do you hate that?

Speaker 1 You must hate that as a natural freckle person. Like, you're like two years ago.

Speaker 2 You're separated. You feel me?

Speaker 1 You know, what a positive way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's all perspective. We're setting the baby standards.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I love your eyeliner. The wing tip is like where.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Well, I had a full panic attack this morning about it.
So thank you.

Speaker 4 What? Were they not even? No.

Speaker 2 Nope.

Speaker 5 And it was like next morning when I'm trying to get out the door, and it was just like,

Speaker 4 and I had no q-tip. I was just licking my fingers.

Speaker 2 I was doing the cute one.

Speaker 2 Like a fucking freak. Licking my fingers and putting it in my eye.
And I was like, well, here we go. We have a good person.
It's like they're not even.

Speaker 4 It looks like one eye is bigger than the other. And maybe it is.

Speaker 2 Maybe it is.

Speaker 3 I'm not giving Lisa Barlow's first episode.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Yes.
Don't know you better tie it back, bitch. No, you better make it a full circle.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Or one smoky eye.

Speaker 2 That was crazy.

Speaker 4 Oh, to be a Rich Watt skin in a personal note.

Speaker 3 She says, I'm not going to blame my glam team.

Speaker 2 Richwatt and skin. It was a new look.

Speaker 4 I'm really impressed by how everybody's got the good skin living in Utah because I just feel like everyone going to look like Kathy Bates.

Speaker 2 Truly.

Speaker 4 And no one fested to Kathy Bates, but Kathy Bates, no.

Speaker 3 And honestly,

Speaker 2 all of their hair is shiny.

Speaker 4 As fuck, it's just serums. They just have so many.

Speaker 5 Well, they're also just like guzzling down a gallery.

Speaker 2 Oh, just a lot of hot springs.

Speaker 1 It's too cold to go outside. Yes.
A lot of hot springs.

Speaker 2 No, but even like springs will, like, they dry you out, you know?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah, you're supposed to apply lotion after a sauna.
You didn't know that.

Speaker 2 He's applying like dish soap to his.

Speaker 1 That's why my skin's all cracky.

Speaker 2 A little dawn. A little dawn on the elbows for that ass.
Some detergent or something. He doesn't.
He's using the wrong shit. Shit.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I love your socks.
Like, what personality?

Speaker 3 Thank you. Yeah.
I felt like I needed needed to be somebody today.

Speaker 5 You know?

Speaker 4 Or somebody. How many books do you need to be out?

Speaker 2 Jesus Christ. Not even Obama.

Speaker 1 I want to get the illusion that I read.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 His own. I know.
I know. Trust me.
His own.

Speaker 4 I love it for you, but I'm like, I got it.

Speaker 1 I'm trying really hard.

Speaker 1 Thanks for calling me out.

Speaker 4 I love it. No, and honestly, that lamp looks like a dick.

Speaker 5 That lamp looks like a dick.

Speaker 2 He was thinking it. Yeah.
You a little bit. No.
What did I think?

Speaker 2 Hey.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit.

Speaker 6 We all have access to the internet.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit. So I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 1 What do you just like check in once in a while?

Speaker 2 I'm like, don't want it.

Speaker 6 Let me see.

Speaker 2 Did it change? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Will people accept me?

Speaker 4 No, I love Dick and I still have to be like, I need a break.

Speaker 2 You know, you can't.

Speaker 4 It's like a buffet. You can't.
It's too much. Too much is not a good thing.
Yeah. Sometimes I put on sunglasses when I give my husband a little blowjob.

Speaker 2 And like, they're like the ones that you can't see out if they're like yeah

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 socks i don't know how to act

Speaker 2 because i just love a good sock thank you

Speaker 4 you do you want to see my socks i do do they mismatch no sometimes they do though but it's oh my god

Speaker 2 i told you i love a sock moment little aliens what are they i don't know what i like them It's robots. No, it's Grover.
Oh, it is. It's Grover.

Speaker 2 Sesame Street. Yeah.
The Muppet.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Just leave your shoes off.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 4 You got me comfortable. I'm here for five more minutes.

Speaker 2 How old are your kids? I don't know. Let me call them.

Speaker 4 They're going to be seven in January.

Speaker 3 They're twins? They're twins.

Speaker 4 Wow. Yeah, I got twins.
You did that? I didn't do it. I did it.
We did IVF. I couldn't carry, so we had a surrogate.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 4 It was insane because we live in New York. Surrogacy was illegal in New York.
We had to find a state state to go to. Healthcare is so misogynistic.
So misogynistic. And fucking horrible.

Speaker 4 And then after they were born, I stomped with Andy Cohen in New York to overturn that bullshit. And it wasn't just like me and Andy, but you know, that is a powerful duo.
Yeah. So it was nice.

Speaker 4 And now it's legal in New York.

Speaker 1 So what's it like having twins?

Speaker 4 Crazy. It's insane.
It's so fucked. It's so special.
It's so insane. I'm the only child.
So I'm like, how do you guys fight and just make

Speaker 3 the other person's feeling and thinking. Are they super connected?

Speaker 4 Yeah, they also know what my husband and I are feeling and thinking.

Speaker 3 It's insane. You're like, get out of here.

Speaker 4 Do you have siblings?

Speaker 3 Yes. Okay.
Youngest of seven. He's got.

Speaker 4 Youngest of seven. He's got 10 siblings.
Ten?

Speaker 2 Yeah. They find each other.

Speaker 4 That's crazy. What is that group thread like? Because I'd be like, he doesn't respond.

Speaker 1 I don't respond.

Speaker 2 I muted it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I hate group chats. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But they're most of them are in Wisconsin. They're still like talking about what they're doing over the weekend.
I'm like, right.

Speaker 4 Like cheese and game. Like

Speaker 2 a lot of cheese.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Deer.

Speaker 2 Sausage. Petting.

Speaker 3 Sausage.

Speaker 2 Sausage. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, you know, we have a 20-month-old daughter.

Speaker 2 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 3 And she is in the

Speaker 3 ripe age of calling me mom.

Speaker 2 No, mama, no mommy. Mom.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like, she's 15.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We do mama.

Speaker 4 Yeah. She, Hazel asked me the other day, can I call you mom? And I'm like, why? Because your friends say mom.
And she's like, yeah. And I'm like, then no.

Speaker 5 If it was a better reason, no.

Speaker 4 But I'm like, it's mama. And she's like, but that's not fair to me.

Speaker 4 And I was like, you know, and I told her, I was like, you remember how you don't like when I say girl? Because sometimes I call her girl. I'm like, girl, get over here.

Speaker 4 And she's like, I don't like when you say girl. It makes me feel like you're mad at me.

Speaker 4 So can you say my name? And I'm like, yes, I can.

Speaker 2 She checks me. She does.

Speaker 4 And it's insane because you want to give them the space to be checked, but it's also like, don't check me.

Speaker 2 Check that motherfucker

Speaker 4 playground. That's not letting you go down the slide.

Speaker 2 I brought the snacks, snacks, bitch. Come on.
Not that my daughter's a bitch in this, but you know, also, bitch is a term of endearment. It is.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, but yeah, it's, yeah.

Speaker 2 Mama.

Speaker 4 Mama. She also wants a neck tattoo for her seventh birthday of a small heart.

Speaker 2 Kids are wild.

Speaker 2 Honestly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, we're all tatted up, so I'm really concerned.

Speaker 3 No, I'm going to show her just how bad mine are. And then I'll be like,

Speaker 1 no,

Speaker 2 she'll just be like, I'm not going to be as dumb as you. Yeah, I can do it better.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're stupid.

Speaker 2 I'm smarter. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because she was like, Mama, you said it's my body.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 2 But not now.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's a heart on her neck.

Speaker 5 Where did she see that?

Speaker 4 I think one of our babysitters.

Speaker 2 Fire. Also, we live in Brooklyn.

Speaker 4 So, like, everyone's into this discussion.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 4 true. But it's also the best.
It's like, what a beautiful reason to live. Like, how lucky are we to meet these beautiful souls? You know, to like put our love into the world forever and all of time.

Speaker 4 You're so deep. I am.
No one thinks I am because I like tell a lot of dick jokes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But other than that, Harper Lamp caught astray.

Speaker 2 Deep in dick jokes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. They go together.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I see where you're going.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like peanut butter jelly. A random combination.

Speaker 2 A real cord Ramsey.

Speaker 2 What do you mean, Dick?

Speaker 2 I was. I was here.
I loved it. No.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Also, single friends with no kids or relationships or like not even like a finicky plant that are always late and they're like trying to tell me what to do with my life and how i should like rest and go to the spa i'm like save it for tick tock

Speaker 4 no i'm not the one no i'm not the one i'm not the two

Speaker 4 and i'm not um i want to know your thoughts on potomac oh my goodness um my thoughts on potomac you got like this is for anyone who needs to hear it if you're not paying your taxes and

Speaker 4 you're scamming people, I'll find you. And you want to fucking get a little plastic surgery and go on reality TV and start a Prosecco line, you're going to get caught.

Speaker 2 You're going to get caught. It's one or the other.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 It's not dancing with the stars, bitch. Okay.

Speaker 4 It's not that. You're going to go to jail.

Speaker 2 You're going to also share toilet.

Speaker 5 If you are going on the show and you don't know what your husband does for a living, that's time to ask.

Speaker 2 It's time to audit.

Speaker 2 It's time to ask before you get married, bitch.

Speaker 5 You're gonna twist it to dice where it's like, I didn't know what he was doing, and then you still have to start.

Speaker 2 I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 These bitches are so like, they have like fenstas, you know what I mean? They like know how to do stuff.

Speaker 2 You need to like stop.

Speaker 2 You know, you're giving Carmella Soprano, and Carmella always had macaroni in the freezer because she knew they'd have to eat when the feds would come.

Speaker 4 So I'm done.

Speaker 2 You're fucking dumb. You're fucking dumb.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I can't do illegal stuff.

Speaker 2 Never in your life, have you?

Speaker 4 I think I stole a shirt from Macy's when I was like,

Speaker 4 or tried to.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, you know what? Someone really needs to put it back. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because I'm like, what if somebody can't find the size?

Speaker 2 They really want it.

Speaker 2 They can't put it back.

Speaker 4 Plus, I learned that there's people on the other side of the mirror in Macy's dressing room.

Speaker 7 I can't be real.

Speaker 2 Are you calling real? You have like three computers.

Speaker 2 Look at look at Uber.

Speaker 2 With this ocean

Speaker 2 Isn't that illegal though? Like cameras.

Speaker 3 They're watching women change.

Speaker 4 There's a sign

Speaker 3 that says we're watching you change.

Speaker 2 Yes. And watching you.
Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 3 That's probably how I got caught because they watched us shove all those miss me jeans in a backpack.

Speaker 5 Even the five times that I've thought about shoplifting when I was a teenager, it was the like one time when it's like, I actually paid for something and the thing went off and how mortifying that was.

Speaker 2 I was like, I'll never.

Speaker 2 You don't even care about the cops.

Speaker 5 I didn't care about the thing. And I was like, that moment when that thing goes off and you're like, I fucking paid for it.

Speaker 2 You're like, like i'm better than this yeah that's exactly what it is

Speaker 4 yes i'm better than this

Speaker 2 now if it didn't go off i'd still do it

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 4 yeah there is something to it is like um

Speaker 4 how would you actually act if no one's watching you know what i mean yeah reckless and i'm just gonna hit shit right i always put my cart back and that's why i never sit on hotel couches Oh my god.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Disgusting.
I just feel like people have their balls all over them. All of them.
They don't wipe those down. Did mirrors.
You live in New York. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 Balls everywhere. Everything's dirty.

Speaker 4 Like there's balls all over the world.

Speaker 2 Unfortunately.

Speaker 4 I think it's like when you're like in a metropolitan city with shared spaces, people are just like, we can't have bed bugs because that's going to take us down.

Speaker 4 But if I'm in like a podung place, I don't think anybody gives a fuck.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 I was in Syracuse and I was like, this is scary.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, like, okay, I don't have to follow it up. I don't want shit on Syracuse.

Speaker 6 Oh, no, shit on Syracuse.

Speaker 2 I'm from Florida. Okay, yeah, okay, great.

Speaker 4 Like a panhandle, Florida, like what kind of Florida?

Speaker 6 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, like central coastal, like a Tallahassee, no, like, um, like, uh, Sarasota, like a Tampa.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay, but you have an airport, yeah, there's an airport, yeah, Bush Gardens, Bush Gardens, Bush Gardens does rock hard, yeah, yeah, so you got stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can drink something like orange, yeah, tigers and roller coasters, yeah, dude. Get a little redneck with it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, my parents are in Miami, we don't really see each other.

Speaker 6 I've been to Miami one time in my life.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's the thing of like, I will, the thing about Florida is like it's three different places.

Speaker 6 There's like North Florida, which is a hate crime, there's Middle Florida, which is, I don't even know, and then South Florida, which is its own thing, which is North Cuba.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's more Caribbean than anything, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, and it's like really is like Disney World.

Speaker 2 Who's to say it's Minnesota, yeah, but old, and then also like Rednecks. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then, yeah, South Florida. I'm like, they're too, like, y'all are too good for us.

Speaker 2 Oh, you know what?

Speaker 4 Should we go and have a mojito and get spun?

Speaker 3 Speaking of Miami, did you, are you following Todd and Alexia? Because they're currently back together.

Speaker 4 No, I'm not. But I just finished Love is Blind and I'm obsessed.

Speaker 3 And what are your thoughts on Annie and Nick's breakup?

Speaker 2 I have a lot of thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 Okay. At first, I was judging her and I thought she was annoying because I think it's annoying because she's only able to say, I love you.
Say, but also she can't put words to it.

Speaker 4 And the only time she feels comfortable saying how she feels is when she's drunk

Speaker 3 over Taco Bell.

Speaker 4 And he's like, I just want to eat this chaloopa.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, I don't know what he's going to say.

Speaker 1 Did you break it up?

Speaker 4 Or it's going to look like that coming out too.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, he literally got like refried beans with a coupon.

Speaker 2 But, you know, bless up, Denver. But, like,

Speaker 4 but I feel sad because, and then when he broke up with her, I was like, oh, she was feeling it. Yep.

Speaker 4 You know, and I felt in that moment, I was like, I wish she knew how to have the words, but I think she's

Speaker 4 just

Speaker 4 obsessed with surface and in surface, but wants deeper, but doesn't know how to get there.

Speaker 1 She's a words of affirmation girl.

Speaker 4 Yes. And, but touch, but also like, she looks like she needs like a lot of like,

Speaker 1 definitely not asked of service.

Speaker 2 Definitely not.

Speaker 2 He was like, I've done all these things. And she's like, and

Speaker 2 she's like, okay, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 She was like, and I love you.

Speaker 5 Yes. So you want to marry me up?

Speaker 2 No. Yes.

Speaker 3 He said, one plus one doesn't equals three.

Speaker 4 And I was like, why are we doing math?

Speaker 2 I know. I know.
I was so confused.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Why are we doing math?

Speaker 2 Goodwill hunting. It was very confusing.

Speaker 4 And what I found interesting too is that his mom was like, he's real sensitive. And so I don't like, that's triggering for me because my mom is always just like, don't be so sensitive.

Speaker 4 I'm like, maybe you just be more sensitive.

Speaker 4 And I'm just like, unpack that. What does that mean? That he has feelings he can't express, that you don't want to deal with it.
Like, what does that mean?

Speaker 4 Also, like, was he depressed when he was little?

Speaker 3 I mean, he gave us the whole story in the pods about how his mom, like, had to ask him if he was gay, which felt like maybe some information that we didn't.

Speaker 4 I did not like that. I did not like that they bonded over being homophobic.
I was like, ayy.

Speaker 6 Yes either.

Speaker 4 I was like, aye. And I'm like, you guys are just going to say that.

Speaker 3 They're going to put this in every language.

Speaker 2 Yes. People actually feel that way.

Speaker 4 And then I think people agree with them. And I'm just like, sad.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Real sad. I just thought that that broke my heart because, you know, when someone says, I want to have a child, but then it's like with the condition.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm like, what I hear is, please don't have a child. Yeah.
Because it's unconditional for a reason.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 4 Do you know what I mean? And I'm just like, that is a beautiful soul. It does like love is love.
And I'm just like,

Speaker 4 I almost wanted them to stay together to have a gay child to teach them how to love themselves.

Speaker 2 But I was like, you know, you could just want stuff for people, but you have to like go home and match your socks.

Speaker 3 So it was interesting how he came to the conclusion that he didn't want to marry her, though.

Speaker 2 Was it the next day?

Speaker 3 It was right. Yeah, it was, it was the next day after their drunk, Taco Bell, Chalupa, you don't love me conversation.

Speaker 3 And he was like, I'm just tired of you putting words in my mouth and saying, I don't love you when I do love you.

Speaker 4 What an excuse. Right?

Speaker 2 Just say that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The amount of guys who say, I love you while breaking up with someone, it's wild stuff. Yeah.
Crazy. We should not be together.

Speaker 2 I do love you, though. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't know. Nick's whole thing

Speaker 6 when he was in the pods and there was the one girl that he had said that he loved and then he, Kate, and then she was like, yeah, no, I'm not like, I'm not religious.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And then he was like, oh, well, we're not together, even though she had told him that before.

Speaker 4 But also she had the most tragic story.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I can see why you would question God and the universe because why does the most important person in your life have to be sick and die?

Speaker 4 And instead of coming from a place of love and understanding, he's like, well, here are my requirements. And so therefore I'm out.
And she dodged a bullet.

Speaker 4 But yeah,

Speaker 4 I think you can love somebody but want to break up with them, no?

Speaker 1 Maybe so, but you shouldn't say it.

Speaker 4 You shouldn't say it because it's confusing.

Speaker 1 It's confusing and it's selfish and you're only saying it because you don't want to be the bad guy.

Speaker 4 It's kind of like gaslighting. You know what I mean? I don't know why I think a little bit because

Speaker 4 I don't know. I think you can love somebody, but break up with them because you're just like, it'll never work.
We're not compatible. But the love and the chemistry is there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it's like how you say it. Because it's like, but I love, no, I do love you.

Speaker 3 Because it's like the person you're breaking up with is just like, is only listening to, I love you. And they're like, well, then I'm confused.

Speaker 2 If you love me, that's why she's like, I can make one plus one equal three.

Speaker 1 You have to be okay with being their bad guy. Yeah.
You know, you got to be their villain in their story. I really enjoyed the conversation with KB and Ed.

Speaker 1 Listen, I don't think they're going to end up together.

Speaker 4 I don't think they should end up together.

Speaker 1 For sure. He's got some emotional growing to do.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 There's some of these couples where Joe and Madison, I don't even think, I mean, he's just freaking out. I don't even know if they're really even real.

Speaker 1 Like, I think, I kind of feel like they're maybe pretending. KB and Ed.
They just seem like they're not meant to be together, but they both mean well.

Speaker 1 And I do feel like there's a genuine respect for each other there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think they're both looking at each other like we are the only black couple. And so there is, like, when you are the only, there is a responsibility you have like for,

Speaker 4 dare I say, every other black person, let's say in the world, because people are going to look at you and say, look at this example. Oh, shit.
She's getting a new black girl's blood.

Speaker 4 You know, they get angry and aggressive and this, that, and the third. And so I think there's like this responsibility, like an unspoken responsibility that they have.

Speaker 4 Which I think the respect is really nice. I like that she checks herself and she's like, I'm trying to be patient.
He's got a lot going on.

Speaker 4 And I don't know if I was a producer that I would have him on TV because, you know, I just, I feel bad.

Speaker 1 There's some trauma there.

Speaker 3 I definitely like watching him, them go through, you know, her, her layout the whole day and then him be like, I just need you.

Speaker 3 It was beautiful for him to be able to be like, I just need you to, to say something nice. Like, I just, and not like, and not.

Speaker 5 But what do I do right? But then

Speaker 3 yeah, but it felt like it was coming from like he obviously bounced around around from foster home to foster home. This man has like never felt chosen.

Speaker 3 He's never had the like stable, security, safe feeling. And he's like, I just want to feel like I'm doing good.
Yeah. And like, I just need to hear that.
And so it was like a beautiful.

Speaker 4 Also, I want him to take the pic out of his hat.

Speaker 3 Allie and Anton.

Speaker 2 He's a liar. Liar.
You know what's so funny?

Speaker 1 I told my husband when they like met each other for the first time and she was waiting for him to look back and he took a sip of his drink and was like, this is the good stuff i was like he got a drinking problem oh yeah maybe i'm profiling but he's russian and this russians know how to all i know is if the tequila bottle was in when he and when she's like is the tequila bottle there and he's like the what i don't know i know what is i know

Speaker 5 and then he's so different he's like me and patrick and we drank like four and then 10 minutes later she's like how many did you impact he's like yeah i just brought him down one drink i know oh and you can tell that he's gotten in trouble so many times because he didn't even know what he was in trouble for when it was uh the friend came over and he was like oh no but he wasn't in the apartment i actually brought things down because she was he was like are you mad that he was in the apartment and then like the deflection of like you drink too you drink too then the speech of uh was also a little gaslighty where it's just like well i love you the way you are and if you don't love me the way i'm in that we can just break up but i love you i'm selfless and he thought he caught her with the um is this how you are every day with this message she goes yeah yeah it is yeah and yeah

Speaker 4 what about your drinking let's talk about that that's so insane But like to be with someone, like they're holding up an ugly mirror to you, right?

Speaker 4 So I didn't even know how much I was drinking until my husband told me. And I was like, oh, that's a lot.
I thought I was having a good time. He's like, you fall asleep in the bathroom at every party.

Speaker 4 I'm like, but it's dark. It's cold.

Speaker 4 I just want a little something, something, come back. He's like, just stop drinking.
That, I mean, that took like about five years. So it's like being patient with that person.

Speaker 4 And I didn't think I was drinking too much because I was always having a good time. My credit card always went through.

Speaker 4 I always remembered my card at the the bar i was like i'm let i am doing and i could like work hungover and i'm like i'm pretty amazing i'm multitasking

Speaker 4 and i need it i did this thing where i was like i need like i need it like i need to relax enough fun

Speaker 4 but ultimately if it's like making the person i'm with uncomfortable check yourself but you also have to like listen He wasn't listening. No.

Speaker 4 He was like, pick up your socks.

Speaker 2 I want to have a bottle of tequila.

Speaker 2 And I'm fine.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I felt bad for her because she's so sweet and young and doesn't want to rock the boat. But I love that she like stood her ground.

Speaker 3 Yeah, me too. I think she also posted on her social media, like I'm working 12-hour shifts.
So like I'm not coming home and doing the laundry and cleaning.

Speaker 3 And he is like coming home at six in the morning and cracking open some beers.

Speaker 5 No. Like, go to bed.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 You've been working all night. Just go to bed.

Speaker 1 Well, you can, you know, he's very defensive about it because that first question was just like, how much have you had?

Speaker 1 And he immediately starts lying.

Speaker 1 It's not like, because, you know, I'm not a big drinker but if i had some buddies over and we got a little saucy i'd been like yeah we got a little carried away but his he immediately was like oh i need to lie yeah or like i don't know where the four unaccounted for went you but you need me you have some you had some you were drinking too yeah so she's like but what about

Speaker 2 one instead of wallpack i'm sorry one and one don't make three

Speaker 4 how do we do that was so uncomfortable and even down to like i don't know even down to the whole strip club of it all.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a big one. It is.

Speaker 4 I've been to strip clubs with my husband and it was like fun. And then we're like, we're good.
Yeah. You know? And even when we went, I was like, this was fun this one time.

Speaker 2 Right. You know what I mean? But I'm like,

Speaker 1 when you see it, when you pull on the regulars and you know who they are, because like, yeah, every once in a while, you might go with your girl and get a little song.

Speaker 2 We're in Vegas. Let's go.
Weird, you know?

Speaker 1 And then you're just like, these guys brought coupons.

Speaker 2 They're eating the buffet.

Speaker 3 They're calling them by their first name.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 like, hey, Joe, good to see you. Anton.

Speaker 2 How's your mom doing?

Speaker 2 That's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But it's so funny because they think that they're ready.

Speaker 5 That's what's so concerning too, is that it's like, and you also know what you think husband material sounds like. So you're saying the bit, but you're not doing the work and that's not who you are.

Speaker 5 And you don't think that we're going to figure that out.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's so funny because.

Speaker 4 KB, I feel like the way her mind works, I'm like, oh my God, Edmund's going to like explode. Cause she just just like goes, go, go, go, go, go, go.

Speaker 2 There's like no air in between. And then Allie's like, um, I think this is a problem.

Speaker 4 If I can tell you, I, it's a problem, right? You know, and she's like learning how to be on her voice. And then, um, what's the other one that was with Nick? Annie?

Speaker 2 Annie.

Speaker 4 She doesn't know how to. It's almost like she was a caveman and she just, who was frozen.

Speaker 5 And she just came, she just

Speaker 4 was just melting.

Speaker 2 I was like, I love you.

Speaker 4 There's so much more to it i promise that's crazy you got to get past that sentence how do you feel about laughing during an argument um i roll my eyes a lot i also do comedy so if it's funny it's funny

Speaker 4 but i think edmund's laughing it's a nervous laugh yeah it's like laughing at a funeral it's like you don't know what to do and i think that that's his inner child right like that's his defense mechanism That's what protected him, you know.

Speaker 4 Whatever he experienced or saw or went through when he was little, if he could laugh, he was okay.

Speaker 4 And that's it. All I see is therapy twice a week.

Speaker 2 Yeah, twice a week.

Speaker 1 When I see him, I have a ton of empathy for Edmund.

Speaker 2 Same. Yeah.
Yeah. Same.

Speaker 4 You know, he went into the closet. Like, you know, when kids go under the bed to feel safe because they don't want to hear what's happening in the house.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry. Is this supposed to be a fun podcast?

Speaker 2 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 It ain't supposed to be, but we do.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Let's talk about.

Speaker 2 You've done Wednesdays.

Speaker 3 No, but that he did crawl into that cabinet and was like, I can, I like it in here.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 5 and I was also reminding that KB is a social worker, so it's like she does have a different level of patience and has to be direct and clear with what she's saying and understanding.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they really are.

Speaker 3 He just needs, he just needs some work. Maybe they'll circle back on each other.

Speaker 5 Well, I'm kind of like to where I'm like, for her, and I'm, and I'm not trying to be insulting to Edmund at all. All I'm saying is that I'm like, sometimes it's, it's nice to, for work to end.

Speaker 5 And I'm like, I feel like that would be bringing work home with her to get married to Edmund.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't think they should get married. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know. Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 And that's just with the most respect for both of them.

Speaker 2 But I don't think they should be friends. Are you friends with your exes?

Speaker 4 No, they're an ex for a reason.

Speaker 1 Oh, speaking of Sparkle Megan's best friend, they just like showed a guy, huge red flag. Really?

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 1 Adult person

Speaker 1 with a straight opposite sex.

Speaker 2 bestie.

Speaker 4 I am going to challenge you on this because

Speaker 4 one of my best friends is a straight man.

Speaker 4 And i wrote a character about him in the show my show survival of the thickest available on netflix season two and season three is coming out soon and

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 4 yeah i mean we've been best friends since we were 12 and exceptions every rule but 100 and and it's so funny because even when i was writing this character she has a best friend who's kind of a hoe they're like when do they hook up i'm like they don't but when do they hook they don't and it's like sometimes you could sometimes you could have more than one soulmate and a friend so maybe all this to say, if they were had hooked up, I'd be like,

Speaker 1 I think exception is every rule. And I've, I mean, I've, I had plenty, a lot of women friends and we

Speaker 1 just friends. But they still played the role of like emotional support system.
You know, they still played the role of girlfriend in a way, even though it wasn't sexual.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I just think all my friendships changed, you know, obviously when I got into serious relationships, especially with my wife, but especially my women friendships dramatically changed because that energy went to my wife.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 But it's more like, hey, if we're like, me and Joe are still getting lunch every Wednesday. To me, that would just be different.
We're a sister.

Speaker 2 No, that's a different

Speaker 5 couch hangs or something. Like, because I'm like, if Connor were to talk to me about being like, hey, I'm going to go see Leanne or somebody.
And I'd be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 Am I coming too?

Speaker 1 As a single man, me and my women friends would like hang out in the middle of the night, like talking about our feelings and talking about shit and talking about people we're dating and nothing would happen.

Speaker 2 I'm not hanging out with anyone in the middle of the night. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But like that all, that just all changed when I got into a relationship.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 yes, yes. I mean, I think, you know, I think people are in your life for different reasons.

Speaker 4 And if some people do take that place of like, I'm not dating anyone, so this is like fun and we don't put anything on it.

Speaker 4 But I'm talking like, like real friendship, like, you know, like the same thing as like a cousin or like a sibling, like real friendship, especially, I don't know for me doing stand-up, I know more men men than women and in the stand-up world.

Speaker 4 And that was something that I needed my partner to be comfortable, comfortable with because, you know, I'm dedicated to him, but it's like jealousy, not saying that you're jealous or you're, but like jealousy and insecurity, you know, you can't grow from that because you're always like questioning what are you doing where you and you can't grow.

Speaker 4 And so that's always a thing. And so, and I do feel like jealousy is like when people don't realize their power yet.

Speaker 4 And so I wish, especially now in this time as we're challenging like what gender means and then like being fluid and and

Speaker 4 questioning stuff and like dare i say my me being friends with people i would it's sort of like the way people would consider themselves to be pansexual and so that's how i go about my friendships i'm like you're a good person well you're not i do think people are in your life for a reason It is a red flag as well.

Speaker 4 If someone's like, I'm friends with all my exes.

Speaker 4 Because I'm like, it feels like you are waiting on something to happen.

Speaker 1 I agree with you. Like every people are in your life for a reason, but sometimes those seasons end.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, and so it's okay to move on from friendships and exes.

Speaker 1 And like they played a role.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm grateful for all my exes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Even the terrible ones.

Speaker 1 You know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's all a lesson.
Yeah. It's all a lesson.

Speaker 4 I tell my kids, you're never losing. You're always learning.

Speaker 2 And then my friends are like, shut the fuck up with the gentle parenting.

Speaker 2 But then by 6 p.m., I'm like, drink water or you die like it depends if you catch me at 11 a.m it's a gentle parent

Speaker 1 that's a great lesson and i'm not a gentle parent no you're the you're the bad cop no i mean we're both i mean she's two so we haven't really gotten to yeah we're good cop bad cop yet but okay you know i'm like i'm definitely too

Speaker 1 no but i don't i i

Speaker 3 think there's tough love you know i think there's this like you know i also think gentle parenting is like such a spectrum and it's like i think it's also like

Speaker 3 you know we're not like spanking our child you know i'm like i i'm trying to teach her like time out and like there because there is a consequence to like countries yeah she's really natty's really good with like emotional regulation with river she'll like get to her level and talk i love that yeah yeah i think also like something you know i think nick kind of went into parenting is like because taking kind of some of the stuff that his dad did of like you know you don't need to know why it's just because i said so and then i think us being a team and like working together I've really tried to show him that like she responds so much better to being like, I can't let you down in a parking lot because there's cars everywhere and you could get hit and it is dangerous instead of just like, no, no, no, no, because

Speaker 1 we said so.

Speaker 5 Well, as one with no kids, I could suggest that you guys should just rest and go to the spa or something.

Speaker 2 I love it. Come on, call back.
Come on, call it.

Speaker 3 You are going on tour. You're on tour.
You're going on tour, surviving and thriving tour. Give it to us.
Give us the details. Tell our audience.

Speaker 4 It's very exciting. So I'm actually writing season three, third and final season of Survival of the Thickest,

Speaker 4 based off of my book. Go get it.
Had I known, I would have brought like 1,100 of my books.

Speaker 2 We could have been. We have so much data.

Speaker 2 I love everywhere.

Speaker 4 And so when we wrap that a week later, I'll be going on tour, surviving and thriving tour, because,

Speaker 4 I mean, my book is called Survival of the Thickest. And I did see this quote after I brought my kids home on Instagram.
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 And it, the quote was, the tools that you need to survive won't be the ones you need to thrive because I had so many losses and it was so hard to have a justifiable whatever that I was like, oh my God, I don't want these kids to die because it was like the dead of winter and they were like four and five pounds.

Speaker 4 I'm like, aye, aye, aye. And so I'm just like, this is such a shit show.
All of it's a fucking shit show. So let's like put on like a v-neck and some lip gloss and go thrive.

Speaker 4 I'll be hitting like a lot of like cities in the U.S.

Speaker 4 Some cities I wouldn't normally go to, but I feel like I'm gonna show you guys some love because you know we all deserve we all deserve a good fucking night I want to make people laugh so hard they pee themselves a little bit which won't be hard because my demo is over 45.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 2 Just

Speaker 2 come over to be a sight.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 there you go.

Speaker 2 Anyways,

Speaker 2 sorry, just funny to me. So

Speaker 4 I'm very excited. And I think I'm also going to be taking my kids on tour a little bit.
Yeah, like I just love Joan Rivers and like her relationship with Melissa.

Speaker 4 And I'm just like, I want to show them what I do. I don't want to live this double life.
So I'm doing like Friday and Saturday shows because I feel like everyone's an adult.

Speaker 2 You know, hopefully this little thing.

Speaker 1 They learn about the world that way, you know?

Speaker 4 They do. I think it's the best kind of education to see what your parents do and then also to travel.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Love.

Speaker 4 So I'm excited.

Speaker 1 And where can people get tickets?

Speaker 4 Go to my website, michellebuteau.org. It's the organization, L-O-L.

Speaker 4 But also.com. It was like expired and 24 hours later, some fucking Italian virgin living in his mom's basement in Sicily bought it and

Speaker 4 is trying to sell it back to me and I couldn't get it.

Speaker 4 Anyways, you just asked me where to get tickets. This is what happens when I'm not outside.

Speaker 2 Where do I put my shoes back on?

Speaker 2 Michelle Buteau. Oh, dot org.
Dot org. Yes.

Speaker 2 O-R-G. That's right.
Forward slash titties.

Speaker 2 Good luck where you end up.

Speaker 4 Ah, yes. Not a why.
Anyways, you guys, this has been really fun.

Speaker 2 Thanks for coming.

Speaker 4 I don't know if we'll ever see each other again.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 4 I don't know. Would you come to me? Where do you live? Down the street.
That's what I'm talking about. I'm not here.

Speaker 2 I go to New York sometime. Well, let me know, bitch.

Speaker 1 Well, we're not going anywhere. So if you're back in L.A., let us know.

Speaker 3 If you're back in L.A., let us know.

Speaker 2 If I'm back in L.A., let you know.

Speaker 4 We'd love to come.

Speaker 1 She's never coming back.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit. Yeah.
May 6th.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm not 45, but I'd love to come.

Speaker 2 That's great. I love it.
I'm 48.

Speaker 4 And I play at 39-year-old.

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Speaker 1 I still don't think you could be friends with the opposite sex when you're in a single.

Speaker 2 I disagree with you. I did it.

Speaker 5 Okay, I think the question that was missing, too, is that it's like, does your husband get along with the friend?

Speaker 5 Because that was my big thing, too, is that I'm like, yes, you can still have platonic friendships, but I'm like, I just don't think that you're spending the time you would when you're single with the opposite sex that you're not interested in.

Speaker 5 Like, if I told Connor, like, I'm so sorry, like, I'm going to go with Nick on a bike ride to Venice. Like, I feel like he would be like, that's kind of weird.
No?

Speaker 3 And it's also like to Nick's point, like, you're not confiding in that person, you know, like I'm confiding in my husband.

Speaker 3 Like, if I have any other drama and if it's like, I'm annoyed with my husband, I'm not going to another man to talk about that.

Speaker 1 And I'm not saying you can't have male friends or women friends or be friendly with the opposite sex when you're in a committed relationship.

Speaker 1 And of course, there are exceptions to every rule where like there are, you know, just unique friendships out there whether it's really just not a thing but i would say 99.99 of the time if if someone is in a committed relationship and fighting to like spend quality time with a friend of the opposite sex it's like to your point it's like why i would say like all of anybody that i would consider a close like guy friend of mine is a husband or partner of a friend of mine because there's very clear parameters of like what our relationship is there's never going to be a situation where i'm texting my friend's husband at 9 p.m.

Speaker 5 being like, Oh my God, did you see the episode of Sa-Da-da? I'm texting my friend. And like, then we can be in group chats and things and we hang out in group settings.

Speaker 5 But like, I'm not like ever being like, hey, Wells, want to go hang out and go grab a coffee? Like, I think that's weird.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, I,

Speaker 1 yeah, I agree with you. Like, my, my best, one of my best friends, before this is long ago, and I was living in Milwaukee and we still, like, you know, I was single.

Speaker 1 Him and his wife would, we, we'd once, we'd get coffee now and then, but usually I was like talking about like my bullshit or whatever, you know.

Speaker 1 But again, like, we we weren't like, I wasn't fighting for quality time.

Speaker 5 And to her point, it is the relationship that like you have with said person.

Speaker 5 Like if you've been in somebody's life for 10 years and their husband's okay with you having a coffee with their wife, great.

Speaker 5 I just like for me personally, I'm like, I just don't know like what you guys would have to talk about that I wouldn't be invited to it too.

Speaker 1 So what's your exception, Leo? Why are you wearing those glasses?

Speaker 8 Oh my God, I'm sorry. I knew, you know, I knew that something was off.

Speaker 2 Here we go.

Speaker 1 It's an entirely different person.

Speaker 2 It's an entirely different person.

Speaker 8 I don't know. I mean, Danny's best friend is a girl.
And like, I'm also close with her. And

Speaker 8 she doesn't live here. So, like, whenever she's in town, they hang out.
They get lunch. They go to coffee.
And, like, I don't feel any type of way about it. Like, I am glad that she's in his life.

Speaker 8 I'm glad that she's in mine.

Speaker 5 Like, did she go to high school with you and Danny?

Speaker 2 No, she didn't go to high school. She's in a relationship.

Speaker 8 Yeah, she's married.

Speaker 2 What do they talk about?

Speaker 8 They've known each other since they were 16. Like, they are in the same industry.

Speaker 3 They talk about music.

Speaker 8 They talk about, you know, each other's families.

Speaker 3 Like, would you be bugged if, like, he was going to her and being like, Leia has just been like pissing me off. Like, she's doing this and she's doing that.

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 3 I hope that's not happening. I know, but do you feel like that would be different if it was to a guy, like another guy, and it was just like guy talk? Or do you know?

Speaker 3 I hope that's not happening with anyone.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess in defense to Leia,

Speaker 1 if you were going to your girlfriends and saying that shit about me, I wouldn't be any less annoyed. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think it's different to like have your girlfriends and be like, you're both kind of just like. Yeah, no, it is different.

Speaker 8 I can talk shit about him. He can't talk shit about me, though.

Speaker 2 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm with Larry.

Speaker 1 I guess it depends on how you talk shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, I call Chambless and I'm like, let me recap this argument that I had with Nick. Whose side are you on?

Speaker 2 That's not talking shit.

Speaker 3 But I wouldn't do that with a man.

Speaker 5 But I also have a theory that like men don't like sit down and like have those types of conversations. Well, you talk, you tell me.

Speaker 5 But I'm like, even then, I think like golf, for example, and like golf is like a way that that like men can trap another man to hang out with them for nine hours straight and don't have to ask it.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Like we can literally be like, hey, you want to go grab a glass of wine? And you know it's going to be minimum four hours long and we're talking about anything and everything.

Speaker 5 Men are like, hey, man, like, you want to be like, I don't think.

Speaker 6 That's why they invented golf. That's why they invented baseball.

Speaker 2 Long sports.

Speaker 1 Men are not as simple or as emotionally disconnected as I think.

Speaker 1 You're led to believe.

Speaker 5 Like if Natalie like pissed you off a little bit and you were going out to a boys night, like would you like be like, oh, you know, just like a little light venting session to like your guys?

Speaker 1 I'm a big believer in not talking shit about your partner.

Speaker 5 Agreed, but there's a difference between talking shit and venting.

Speaker 5 Like I feel like, for example, like if it's like Nick left the cabinets open again and it pisses me off every time and it's like, oh my God, no, mine literally leaves his clothes next to the hammer.

Speaker 1 If I felt like we were disconnected in some way and if I felt like I needed to talk it through with someone.

Speaker 2 Of course. Right.

Speaker 1 Which I think men do.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 5 But I just feel like it's like not as like where I'm like, I feel like for women, it's a little bit more casual because we bounce things off of each other like i feel like we're just kind of like it's a lot of like am i crazy is this normal yeah i think with men it needs to feel like more heavier and more like

Speaker 5 yeah it's not it's not like a casual like okay and then also oh and by the way it's not something to do yeah yeah we just play fantasy football instead that's what i'm saying like that's what i think like your like friendships are where i'm just like i don't know i feel like women just like need to feel very connected to each other know that we're not insane knowing that like everything that's happening in our relationship is normal or like if we need to talk about well whether it's michelle or lea i do think there are exceptions to rules.

Speaker 1 And lifelong friendships, like, certainly can be that exception.

Speaker 1 But, like, if you're, if you're like, you meet someone, man or woman, doesn't matter the gender, and they're like, I've been, this is my best friend.

Speaker 1 And you're like, Holly, you've been friends or like four years. And you're like in your late 20s.

Speaker 2 That's weird, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And someone wanted to fuck someone at some point.

Speaker 3 Do you think Jared Osmond has female friends?

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 1 100%. So many female friends.

Speaker 2 So many female friends.

Speaker 6 and he's definitely fucked them all or tried or tried actually i think if he hasn't they're not friends i think he's given up i don't know though he becomes friends with all of the women i mean yeah

Speaker 5 i think it's i think it's egg after chicken you guys are you guys aren't even like giving him any credit though okay like he has women that are contacting him only when they want to go to dinner or like have a nice gift it must be really hard it's tough out there it's really hard to be an awkward

Speaker 7 we have to apologize uh bro and awesome this episode everybody this episode that was a great great showdown it was like just every two seconds it was like looking at someone else

Speaker 3 how could you not be team angie i know well angie was pissing me off a little bit say more she was definitely being like very childish and like that well you started it well you did well you did no well you did that but

Speaker 3 you did that but at the end of the day you have to be like okay we're adults and like who gives a let's move on i'm sorry you're sorry she definitely wasn't the bigger person that that is reserved for brawlin okay

Speaker 1 broy's the only bigger person heather can be the bigger person, but Heather's usually too chicken shit to

Speaker 2 get some of the reason.

Speaker 5 Heather's been good this season.

Speaker 6 Heather's kind of doing what you want, Nick. She's not, I mean, she's talking out of both sides of her mouth a little bit, but she's getting there.

Speaker 6 I think she's waiting for the moment that she has to renew her contract. Yes.

Speaker 1 She has to be willing to like

Speaker 1 stand on business. Like Angie.

Speaker 1 Angie is willing to be like, listen, if it's me against all of you, then fuck it. Let's go.
Like, I don't think she wants to be in an island.

Speaker 1 I think she wants to have allies, but she is not afraid to say what she believes. And, like, sure, is she being petty? You know, fine.

Speaker 6 Is she throwing a black card in Lisa's face? Is she throwing Electra's horse on the ground?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about and you missed the most recent episode of The Royal Housewives of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap.

Speaker 3 Whitney is transitioning into songwriting.

Speaker 3 She also takes the girls to get psychic readings at a vineyard that apparently, according to Miriam Cosby, the former owner killed his wife and then himself in on Christmas Day in front of their dog.

Speaker 3 And then the dog was not normal after. Yep.
So off to an incredible start. Lisa is done taking the high road with Angie.
Lisa also thinks she would be a great farmer for a week.

Speaker 3 Brittany is apparently an expert realtor. However, she is not an expert at breaking up with Jared.
He calls her four times throughout luncheon. So all of the girls get emotional psychic readings.

Speaker 3 This is what's going on outside. Lisa denies rumors and nastiness about Meredith.
She also calls Angie Satan.

Speaker 5 Heather doesn't buy it.

Speaker 3 The cracks are showing. Angie then throws her black card in Lisa's face.

Speaker 3 So Lisa ups the Auntie and brings the term shortly into her vocabulary and also reveals she has 12 threads on each side, not a facelift, as Angie was claiming.

Speaker 3 Angie then brings a Tupperware filled with Lisa's gifts and throws them all out. All of the women try to band together to get both of them to shut the fuck up.
It doesn't take.

Speaker 3 Lisa storms off before they can resolve anything, but the psychic told Angie that Elektra's horse was going to get injured. And then Angie threw it and broke Electra's toy horse.

Speaker 5 Spooky.

Speaker 3 Mary is a lover of horses and sick of all the chaos. She says she's done with Angie.
No, overall, has anyone seen a black card in real life? Disgust?

Speaker 2 I haven't, actually. I have

Speaker 2 many. A what? Many black card? What's that mean?

Speaker 5 A black MX.

Speaker 2 The thick ones, the heavy ones?

Speaker 2 No, I haven't. I have not.

Speaker 5 Definitely have. But can we just say how funny it was?

Speaker 5 This entire like psychic experience while every single editors were amazing. Each woman that would walk into the room, like she'd be like, oh my God, hi, like, nice to meet you.

Speaker 5 And then all of a sudden you just hear in the background like,

Speaker 5 and it's like all of them just like like fighting in the background.

Speaker 2 Brittany's like, I have chills. How could they know that?

Speaker 1 And this is a montage of Britney like talking about her disconnect with her daughter.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't really talk to them because they think they, I should give them attention instead of dating Jared Osmond.

Speaker 1 I just genuinely appreciate it because I just think that tarot car reading psychic bullshit is bullshit.

Speaker 2 And I don't think so.

Speaker 7 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 You have all these public fake.

Speaker 5 I've done one where I was like, there's things that have happened.

Speaker 1 You want to believe.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 I'm talking like very specific

Speaker 5 involving a legal case that like literally like nobody would have known about. And this woman put down like 50 cards.
And I was like, what are you talking about? And everybody.

Speaker 1 Well, he wasn't one of them. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 That's fine. That's fine.

Speaker 1 He was stalking their Instagram stories and watching previous seasons of Housewives.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no.

Speaker 5 There was a season of Orange County where Vicki, I think, got a psychic after her mom passed. And the psychic Tamara was in the room with him.
And it was Vicki and her brother.

Speaker 5 And he was like, yeah, your mom just wants you to know that she like left okay. And like she not to be worried about her.
And somebody got a tattoo recently.

Speaker 5 And she was like, Yeah, my, my nephew, your mom doesn't love the tattoo. And then Tamara goes, What's it off?

Speaker 5 And the psychic goes, so like, we don't like the interruptions throughout here because, like, you know, the connection is being broken.

Speaker 1 But I was like, I mean, it was, it was giving a OC lie detector where it's like, yeah, you get, you got a bug in his ear. Producers are like feeding him information.

Speaker 5 And also, Whitney Rose set this up where I'm like, God bless. But I'm like, even her, um, her little gimmick in the beginning with the strippers for the FBI raiding the RV.

Speaker 5 Like, it's just like, here's my cue. Like, I'm like, you know, you fed this guy.

Speaker 3 Like, telling Meredith that one of her friends is like not really her friend.

Speaker 7 And then Angie coming in during it, trying to get the boss.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Same with Lisa, too.

Speaker 5 Whereas, waiting, like, you can't trust somebody in your friend group.

Speaker 2 And Lisa walks by, like, blows a kiss.

Speaker 2 Here's my cue.

Speaker 1 Am I the only one who feels like Mary overreacted?

Speaker 7 No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't, I'm done with you. Like, she spoke truth.

Speaker 1 You like, why, why do all the women give Lisa a pass for Lisa has come from them all and said just like horrible shit about them like stuff that if you wanted to be like you know what I don't hate you I forgive you but like I don't fuck with you like that you crossed the line and Angie has standards I'm not like team Mary in the way that she stormed off but I do understand her just trying to level with her friend and getting her to cool down and then she just completely disregards you and then you know Angie was like hot and I think Mary just was like I'm not doing this we're done don't call me your friend if you are saying things like don't expect me to be mad at them just because they're like they're mad at you no i do or we're not friends we're casuals like i'm with mary on that one that's how i operate too oh what do you mean like i don't need to like hate someone like with all like passion if just because you're beefing over something like dark but who is this person like if if max for example yeah like i feel like if he was throwing a tent like temper tantrum throwing cards at everybody i'd be like okay well like well yeah if he's throwing a temper tantrum then sure you need to check the person having a temper tantrum.

Speaker 1 But if someone wronged Max, truly wronged him, hurt him in a way that he's like, hey, this person hurt me.

Speaker 2 I'm hurt by them.

Speaker 1 And they, and, and that person did nothing to you, you're, you're still like, you know what? They didn't do anything to me.

Speaker 7 Yeah, okay, definitely not that. But I think Mary, I think what Mary was irritated by was the fact that she was trying to get her best friend to like calm down.
And it took like, it didn't work.

Speaker 7 And the second that she left, Angie stopped because I think Angie was like, oh, like that was serious.

Speaker 6 That's the thing. I think it has way less to do with Angie and Lisa feuding Mary's feelings.
And Mary's going to ride for Angie.

Speaker 6 I think Mary just feels that Angie kind of disrespected her and the way that she was like, I need you to just listen to me and Angie wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 But I kind of read.

Speaker 5 Like, that's giving like a little Britney Bateman, like, what about me? Like, in this moment right now, you've got Angie who's fighting with Lisa and who's genuinely hurt by what Lisa did.

Speaker 5 And it's like, now it's like, but you're not listening to me.

Speaker 5 And it's like, no, because I'm focused on finding out like right now where I'm like, this is a conversation that we should be having otherwise.

Speaker 5 And also, like, sorry, when your best friend's also on a TV show, that I'm like, when she's popping off like that, like, you know, Angie's seeing red right now, that she's not going to be hearing you.

Speaker 1 And if you're not going to be able to do that, when you're in the middle of being triggered and your friends, the first thing they do is try to tell you to stop.

Speaker 1 And then in any way, I guess defend the other. It's just going to sounds like you're, it sounds to them like you're taking their side.

Speaker 5 You're telling me to shut the fuck up right now to behave and to get along with somebody. And that's what I agree with Angie too.
It's like Angie's allowed to have her feelings.

Speaker 5 Lisa comes in with her feelings all the time about people. She invited people just solely to show her little poster boards because she wanted to say, gotcha.

Speaker 5 So I'm like, let Angie have her moment of clearing up. Why did you bring this up?

Speaker 5 And even then, Meredith is the one that kicked off all of this shit and then was literally like, sorry, my hands are clean.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Meredith definitely did not buy the tarot. She was like, interesting.

Speaker 5 I've never been there before.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Say, I do love a woman that throws something. I think that's what I've come to realize on Salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 The second they're throwing something, I'm like, my girl. I'm in.
Like, yeah, you got me.

Speaker 5 And then Britney tried to shove the black card in her bro.

Speaker 7 I do. Britney deserves her snowflake after this episode.

Speaker 7 Like, in the beginning, when she's trying to bring up like the records of the house being sold, but nobody, nobody acknowledged her for like a good two, three minutes, and she just kept going.

Speaker 1 And they came for her hair, and she took it like a champ. She did.

Speaker 2 Would you guys just stop talking about my hair?

Speaker 2 Guys,

Speaker 6 she's like, it is so. It is so that girl who is like, yeah, I'm best friends with all of them.

Speaker 2 What are you talking about? And then they're all like, no, we don't like you.

Speaker 6 And they're like, ah, they're so fun.

Speaker 5 And And also, a defensive Angie yet again, where I'm kind of like, Even Mary, you're there. You do not like Brittany.

Speaker 5 I'm like, Brittany was poking Angie about her house, already getting her feathers ruffled. That it was like, Meredith comes in with Lisa, Lisa calls her Satan, and it's, it's, it's, it's game over.

Speaker 6 Okay, here's the thing: you guys know I ride for um Meredith Marks, and I will always ride for Meredith Marks, no matter what she does.

Speaker 3 However, Meredith,

Speaker 6 Lisa obviously did say that to Angie.

Speaker 2 Yes, why are you letting her off the hook?

Speaker 6 I just, I'm like, Meredith, you deserve a better friend than Lisa Barlow.

Speaker 1 It does give that Lisa genuinely has dirt on some of these people. She has seven lawyers.

Speaker 5 And even, even Lisa's hot mic moment, and when she's going off about Meredith, that it's just like this woman, she's literally filming out of location with you and ran to the bathroom to expose all of your shit with being mic'd up.

Speaker 5 You don't think she's having a little kiki at tea time?

Speaker 7 What Angie said literally is the hot mic moment.

Speaker 5 And also, this just also confirms between this and Secret Lives Mormon Wives, like I will never be able to exist in Utah. Like, these women are on some other shit.

Speaker 6 Truly, they would crucify me.

Speaker 3 I don't think I'd be able to survive in Potomac because, y'all know, I have excessive sweat glands, and sometimes I'm not smelling

Speaker 3 great in the armpit area. And, like, that's it's a medical disease.
So, like, you don't watch yourself. Um, but I feel like they would, they would hold it against me for the end of time.

Speaker 5 I was gonna say, you don't want to come to a group workout and they have a bowl of deodorant just for you on your map. Literally, like, I would wild.

Speaker 2 I know, I would move.

Speaker 2 I would move state.

Speaker 3 tia is great yeah she's the princess yes yeah i uh i want to hang with her well if you did not watch the most recent episode of the rural housewives of potomac here's your rapid recap we pick up at ashley's second bloom to finish the fight giselle doesn't think stacy is really divorced either but still she rises then a woman comes to do a burlesque randomly Stacy is the only level-headed one in the group.

Speaker 3 According to Stacey, Wendy is not buying any of this. However, she did return it to insurance.
Tia and Giselle are bonded because they both have twins.

Speaker 3 Tia doesn't want to drive because she doesn't doesn't want to look haggard. Also, her husband is a nerd.
Ashley's situation ship isn't Jack Harlow. It's just a dude named Josh.

Speaker 3 He has too much product in his hair. Angel is a rookie to this group of women, but certainly not a rookie woman.

Speaker 3 Kay and Greg are good for today, but apparently Wendy had asked Kay at an event if she had done her own makeup tea, and Angel defended Wendy. More tea.

Speaker 3 Giselle didn't know that friends chin-checked each other. Angel has the girls over for a tranquility-themed hang and gives them all spike tea.
Wendy thinks it's giving get out.

Speaker 3 Giselle doesn't like tranquility. She likes lies and foolishness.
Angel also makes it clear that she would never get chin checked. She would only chin check.

Speaker 3 Stacy arrives late and makes sure to pop a mint before asking the women to do a cleansing breath. That she then shows Ashley's fake divorce papers to prove her case.
Also, it's Karen's birthday.

Speaker 3 Giselle, Kay, Ashley, and Cookie get together to pour one out for the girl. Overall, is Stacey the Brittany Bateman of this group?

Speaker 5 All I heard was, How many chins could a chin check-check chin check could check chins?

Speaker 1 All I heard is, oh, I saw puss.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the burlesque puss.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Puss.

Speaker 3 That, and they're all like, this is okay.

Speaker 2 We've had a lot of things.

Speaker 1 And honestly, puss is such a like a more digestible word than pussy.

Speaker 2 Adding that extra.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm with you.
Yeah. I do.

Speaker 5 I like it.

Speaker 6 I do like puss. Well, it's also like les is more fun to say than like lesbian.

Speaker 2 Pat the puss. Yeah, Pat the pus.
Erica Jane. Erica Jane.

Speaker 3 Erica Jane.

Speaker 2 Pat the puss. Pat the puss.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think the women are taking it too far with the breath mints things. I'm sorry.
Like it's now it's just cruel.

Speaker 2 Well, did you see Watch What Happens Live?

Speaker 7 Andy used like a graphic of Stacy with bad breath.

Speaker 7 people were at Call Tamal being like that's bullying like it's going too far.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's way too far.

Speaker 3 I'm like one episode fine one episode one slide joke in front of her.

Speaker 2 Yeah, in front of her is fine.

Speaker 3 Just to let them know.

Speaker 2 Just to let them know.

Speaker 1 Just so they can deal with it.

Speaker 3 But now we're on to the next and you have a ball of mints and then you everyone is laughing at her. It's giving yeah

Speaker 5 make a comment next room make a comment outside make a comment. Like I'm like this is just like it's not funny anymore.

Speaker 6 I think when people continue to make fun of you for the same thing, thing, it's like, guys, there are other things you can roast me for.

Speaker 2 Your breath. Yikes.

Speaker 5 And with Jeff Lewis on.

Speaker 2 Yikes.

Speaker 5 And Ashley Darby. Yikes.

Speaker 2 Yikes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's not nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Wendy was killing me, though, when she had Stacy over and she was like, child, like, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 She's like, are you engaged?

Speaker 5 No, I'm back with my husband. So you paid TJ to come on for a season to get back with your husband? I'm done.
And then she's like, I have to use the restroom.

Speaker 3 What are you doing in the restroom?

Speaker 2 She's like, I need to use the facilities.

Speaker 5 And we talk about people like not trusting you, girl.

Speaker 3 Like, it's also like someone comes to my house and they're like, where's your restroom? Like, why? What are you going to do in there?

Speaker 3 I've like seen too many movies where they're like going through the medicine cabinet. You know, they're like doing too many things in your bathroom.
That's like, why do you need to use mine?

Speaker 2 You didn't go before you came here? Yeah. You know we were filming? You can't hold it.
Also, interesting.

Speaker 7 Confirmed, TMZ confirmed it, that Stacy was divorced, actually.

Speaker 2 Did you see that? Did we see the file?

Speaker 7 I mean, well, if TMZ said it, then must be true yeah well no but a ton of people have been reporting on it that the couple married in september 2007 and separated in august to 2023 and then they were divorced in december 16th of 2024 so why can't ashley find it and why can't stacy just say that yeah because she doesn't want to stacy is being like weirdly cagey

Speaker 3 very cagey about it if someone accuses you of something that like isn't true. I feel like it's like, you're just like, yeah, no, bitch.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 You're looking in the wrong place. Like, I don't know.
And you're Google better. I don't know.

Speaker 1 You get naturally cagey when your friend group is like just coming

Speaker 1 overly judgy and just like having strong opinions about your relationship. It's like, you know, you, you tend to be cagey.

Speaker 6 I also feel like that is just Stacy's personality. That's how she reacts to kind of every situation.

Speaker 2 She is kind of the Britney Vayton of the group. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But like, I feel like there's just something very inauthentic about her because, I mean, there's too many questions that she can't answer, but then she plays the victim the whole time.

Speaker 5 It'd be one thing if you're owning your like, I don't owe you you shit kind of thing, but it's like the way that she goes about it is like, I just can't believe you guys would say these things about me, but I'm not going to like give proof to shut you guys up.

Speaker 6 I mean, one of my favorites like housewife clips that I've seen and now watching Potomac, I really appreciate it even more is a clip of Stacy at the reunion quoting Maya Angelou being like, and still I rise and everyone just going, oh my God.

Speaker 2 Like that's Stacey.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Have you watched Potomac for a while? Like a couple of seasons, yeah.

Speaker 1 Same, yeah. So I guess my question to you about Stacy is.

Speaker 7 She's only been on one other season.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I watched her.

Speaker 7 She came in as a friend of Karen.

Speaker 1 So, in her, in her stint so far, does she, and I know a lot of people like this, right? Like, and Brittany, Brittany Mittman is very much like this. Brittany won't come for you.

Speaker 1 Brittany just wants everyone to like her. She doesn't want to, she doesn't come for people.

Speaker 2 Unless you come for Lisa Barlow. Apparently, yeah.

Speaker 1 But, you know, there's a lot of people who are just like, I won't talk about you because I don't want you to talk shit about me.

Speaker 1 And so, is Stacey very much like that or is she coming for people often?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't think she really like talks shit about people. It's more so like her own stuff that like when people ask her about it, it's like it's very unclear.

Speaker 1 And like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but like that's and so like Brittany, it's just like maybe she has her stuff, but she doesn't want to like, she doesn't want to talk about it and she doesn't want to have to always explain herself.

Speaker 1 And she's not acting like Brittany Britman doesn't like people pick on her. She's an easy target, but I don't think Brittany is going around offering like relationship advice and

Speaker 1 saying that I'm the standard of love and parenting and dating.

Speaker 1 And she's not going after her peers for their flaws. She's just like, be nice to me.

Speaker 5 But Brittany also like puts everything on the table. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And it's very much like, okay, yeah, I haven't talked to my daughter in this long and I choose Jared over my kids or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 5 Like she's very like, this is the reason why I make the decisions that I make or at least why I think it makes sense. Whereas like Stacey, it's like presenting as this.

Speaker 5 fully put together person and there's too many holes and you can't come on housewives.

Speaker 7 She did her first, literally her introduction is her saying that she like was separated and getting a divorce or something.

Speaker 5 But to Carlos's point, you can't come on housewives and try to like frame your narrative around the type of person you are because then the other housewives are also going to smell that out and be like, what about this?

Speaker 5 And what about that?

Speaker 5 If you're 100% authentic or owning it, then we're, it's interesting to watch, but you can't even root for Stacy in this moment while she's literally being bullied by the rest of the cast because you're like, what am I defending?

Speaker 5 What do I know about you?

Speaker 6 Not to go back to Salt Lake City, but I can't, I can't not mention it. The Royal Housewives of Salt Lake City did a us

Speaker 6 weekly cover that was referencing a very famous Desperate Housewives photo shoot. And Tiara, I'm wondering your thoughts.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's iconic. It's iconic.

Speaker 6 It's fucking iconic. And Lisa Barlow is in the space of Miss Susan Meyer, herself, Terry Hatcher.

Speaker 5 And Meredith is Eva Longoria or Gabrielle Solise. Yeah, Heather is Nicolette Sheridan.

Speaker 2 Nicolette Sheridan. And then you have...

Speaker 6 Whitney was Lynette.

Speaker 5 Scavo. That like the mom of five.

Speaker 2 I didn't watch Desperate Housewives. Oh my God.

Speaker 5 It was

Speaker 6 Whitney was Felicity Huffman, which I'm like, I think we need to switch.

Speaker 1 Except for Eva and Terry, I didn't really know any of this.

Speaker 5 Well, the best part of it all is that Mary

Speaker 5 Cosby is Brie Vandicamp. She's Brie Vandicamp and all of the women are in kind of like closed cut, like slit dresses.
So then you've got Mary and like her conservative

Speaker 5 church.

Speaker 2 She owns a church.

Speaker 5 She does own a church. She does own a church.
And we will never see her cleavage.

Speaker 6 Yep. And I think the really funny part of it is if you know Desperate Housewives lore, you know that Terry Hatcher was always on the outs with the rest of the group and they did not like her.

Speaker 6 And, but she, throughout the time, was like, Well, I'm the star of the show because they're real and spectacular. Yeah.
And then, so Lisa Barlow being Terry Hatcher really made me laugh.

Speaker 7 Anyway, I guess to wrap housewife recaps, because this is something people were talking about, do you give the gift back to someone you don't like?

Speaker 7 Because I feel like we learned our lesson with Beverly Hills and the bunny.

Speaker 1 If you want to

Speaker 1 shape,

Speaker 2 if you want to have a fight, I think it's petty.

Speaker 5 But I also live for that level of petty because I could never.

Speaker 3 How do you feel? How do you think Lisa feels knowing none of these women are drinking her tequila?

Speaker 7 I think she'd been known.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't care. Monogram bottles, even.

Speaker 7 It's a pretty bottle.

Speaker 2 That doesn't mean it.

Speaker 5 But bless, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 Anton will drink it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I think that'll do it for this episode. Thank you for listening.
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