E1013 - LIB’s Madison, DWTS, RHOP, RHOM, RHOSLC, Sexiest Men in Podcasting, Halitosis and Halloween Costumes

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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Val Files Reality Recap Edition.

I am your host, Nick, joined by my beautiful wife, Smart, Gorgeous, talented.

Also, she has an audition.

Oh, my sweet.

My wife is maybe becoming an actress.

Oh, my God.

Okay, let's not jinx it, guys.

I just got like a self-tape.

She didn't even ask.

It was like someone just be like, hey, we want you to audition.

And I was like,

people understand.

Oh, so she's off her audition only.

I'm off her audition only.

So the next time you see me, I will be acting with

Robbie and Jason Statham, of course.

Of course.

Your FYC campaign starts now.

I'm in the next Fast and Furious.

Huge.

We have a great episode lined up for you today.

Madison from Love is Blind is joining us involved in some drama.

There's a new batch of episodes.

We're going to focus on episode seven and let the rest of you guys catch up on the episodes.

That being said, Madison has some drama and a lot of these episodes coming up.

So we'll dive into Madison.

If you haven't heard the He Said, She Said episode between Patrick and Casey, that is on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap.

Also, guys, I'm into Potomac.

I'm into it.

It's fun.

It's fun.

Bad breath drama.

That's what I live for.

Just petty, like meaningful, real life.

Everyone can relate to the friend with bad breath.

But it's also like the best way to bring someone down, you know, because it's like,

that's a, that's a, that's a stain.

Yeah.

And they can't be like, well, you're lying because like.

You can smell your own breath.

And the most beautiful people can have the worst raunchy breath.

And sometimes it's like a rotten tooth.

Or bad gut.

Uh, I won't say who.

I I think some of the people in the household know.

There is a Bravo celebrity that when I met, stunning person.

And I was sitting next to them and halitosis to the most is.

It was just like,

not halitosis to the most.

Sometimes it's not halitosis.

Sometimes.

This was.

Okay, dentist, dentist viol.

Sorry.

Sometimes it's just like people who don't floss and they like just have like a piece of steak from four years ago still in their back molar, you know?

And this is where shame really plays its part.

Like Natalie, obviously not a fan of the weed smoking, which I haven't done in too long.

But when I do smoke weed, Natalie lets me know that she thinks my teeth are rotting.

And when I don't floss, she also shames me into thinking I have the worst breath.

Which, um, because what do you say back to that of someone being like, hey, it smells like you have a word?

I never, I, I feel the most ugly when Natalie shames my breath.

Well, yeah, because she has to kiss you.

Because it reminds me of halitosis to the most is.

You can't recover from someone saying you have bad breath.

No.

Like, I will always label that.

No, you can.

You can't.

That's enough.

Dynamically.

But what, you show up to the next party and be like, you're like, smell me.

Hey.

We've all been stinky before.

The best way to do that is just to walk into a room without bad breath.

And you're like, what can you say about me?

Just my personality?

Exactly.

I mean, if you have a history of it, we can also just be like, I don't want to get that close.

You know?

They're always going to say that, though.

Yeah.

Exactly.

We also have Real Housewives of Miami Reunion Part 1.

We didn't talk about last week.

We're going to get into.

We have Salt Lake City, which like this was like a weird episode of everyone like mending fences and getting along.

Little bore.

I don't need to see it it's not real okay but we got a tease of something pretty incredible that might happen which is meredith and angie team up i guess but also like i need a little background on mary's family tree and like the phrase my church just threw me every time she said that oh my church my church it is her church we i mean we've been saying that she is mary she's the pastor her grandmother was the owner that painting was wild of the church it's awesome isn't it and then her grandma like this is the weird part where in the first two seasons and justin help mary helped me out here because i'm a little fuzzy on it too but i guess the grandma in her like last testament while dying wanted mary to marry her husband who's not her biological grandfather

none of the sisters wanted to fulfill that fulfill the role the mom thought she was going to i don't understand why mary had to marry the husband i know i don't know it seems like it gave her a beautiful life though 100 and she's still happily married to Robert Sr.

today.

Also, I just want to say, I think the Potomac cast is the hottest collective group of housewives.

Period.

I think they're all hot, but Potomac casts.

They have the most I woulds.

Yeah.

That statement.

I mean, Giselle is very hot.

I would too.

Ashley Darby.

I mean, I've just, you know, Ashley Darby.

Is that her name?

Yes.

Gorge.

Even Bad Breath, Donnie.

Stacy.

Her face card's pretty great.

No, none of them declined.

Her face card when her mouth is closed.

Yeah.

Well, I can't smell it on TV.

I smell that for her.

I know, Stacey.

She doesn't look at it.

No, no, no.

I actually, no,

this goes in the category of like something in your teeth.

I had a group of friends, and one of the friends was like, had bad breath.

And then the other friend came to me and said, do we say something to her?

And I was like, absolutely.

Like, don't embarrass her.

Take her aside.

Grab a cup of coffee in the nicest possible way.

Grab a cup of coffee.

It's only going to make it worse.

Press an acid on that fire.

Yeah, go eat some garlic, have some red on here.

Have a couple onions.

But like, don't walk around and let your friend, you need, you need to let them know because you can do something about it.

Like, and honestly, when you have bad breath, you don't know about it.

Like, be a friend.

Don't let your friend walk around just like having people being like, oh my God, you know.

Well, don't tell her in front of the group.

Yeah.

No, not in front of the group.

Don't embarrass them.

Take her to a cup of coffee.

Take her to a dental expo.

This is how we brush our teeth.

Yeah.

A dental convention.

Dental convention.

What's the line of going of going too far?

Like, okay, you could tell somebody if they have something in their teeth, if they smell bad, if their breath smells bad, but like, what's the line?

I think if it's something that they truly can't like change.

Yeah, if it's not fixable.

Yeah, I think it's like after a haircut.

It's like your face is broken.

No, my aunt one time after I got a tattoo was like, I don't really like it.

And I was like, well, it is permanent.

So thanks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Nothing I can really do about that now.

I also think if it's not hurting anyone else, then like, but if if it is like bad breath, like that, or something, or if it's something truly embarrassing, if it's coming from a good place, but I will say sometimes you end up looking like the asshole because there is like a condition or something and that you didn't know about.

And they're like, oh, and you're like, right.

Okay, I'm the asshole.

I'm so sorry.

I was just trying to help you.

Well, halitosis is a condition.

It's a condition of

having an unhealthy gut.

But like, and it's not like, it's not an easy thing.

I thought it was a gum disease.

I'm not a dentist.

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure there's things you can do about it.

You can change your diet, like, and it's worth it.

Like, Like, you know, it's not like a mint problem.

Unless it is genetic, yeah.

Halitosis, commonly known as bad breath, can be caused by various factors, including oral hygiene, poor breasting and fossil habits, gum disease, periodontal disease, tonsillitis, and dry mouth.

Sometimes it's dietary factors, consuming strong-smelling foods like garlic, onions, and coffee, eating certain medications, using certain medications, such as antibiotic to chemotherapy, drugs, medical condition, gastroesophagal, reflux disease, respiratory infections, liver or kidney disease, other causes, smoking, hormonal changes, stress.

Okay, that's enough, Mary.

Thank you.

That's where we get iffy.

And where's too far too is like, it's like it gaining weight or something.

If somebody's like, oh, you could probably put the cookie down.

Like, don't say that.

Don't say that to me.

Well, don't be an asshole.

Speaking of cookies, Natalie has a public service announcement.

Speaking of internet, I know we talked about the internet.

No, no, no.

I think I just am probably an idiot.

And I think I'm the only person.

Listen, you're not an idiot.

You don't know.

And I think a lot of people don't know.

So don't shame yourself and just like be vulnerable and let the people know okay if y'all will allow me the floor i will be vulnerable you're allowed the floor every single time without fail almost immediately when i land on a website i accept all cookies i do too and i had no idea that you were not allowed you shouldn't do that you have the option to say no i thought it was like you're not going to be able to view this website if you don't accept our cookies.

That's how they track.

These are the cookies we're talking about.

I know.

It's like, wait, I thought we were talking about other ones.

Mary, what do internet cookies do?

What do internet cookies do?

Don't they track you?

Yeah.

It like basically says you can you

dive in like it's basically saying internet come into my house.

Don't take your don't take your shoes off.

Make yourself comfortable.

Record everything.

So if I were to ever go missing, I feel like you have all the answers that you need.

You know, if you go missing, I will too, because I do the same exact thing.

So, okay, here's.

Here's the textbook definition of internet cookies.

Internet cookies are small text files that websites store on your device to remember information about you and your browsing activity, enabling personalized experiences, i.e.

the government's tracking you, and saved login details, shopping cart items, site preferences, and targeted content.

So it's basically how like when you're on Instagram and you're like, how do they get these fucking targeted ads?

It's because they're tracking you.

Yeah, I don't mind that actually, because sometimes I'm like, yeah, I do want this.

Yeah, sometimes I'm like, oh my God, thank you.

I literally was just thinking about this.

No one texts Jaleia or my wife anymore.

Yeah, you don't, it's like you don't mind it until Jeff Bezos shows up at your house being like, hey, I saw that you looked up halitosis causes.

Are you okay?

Yeah.

We've got some recommendations.

Yeah, we're all going to be fed dental hygiene.

But now that I'm, I'm pressing, now that I'm pressing do not accept cookies, I've never felt more powerful.

And it still lets you in.

And it still lets me in.

Step into that power.

Not only.

You know, it's like, no.

Please, do you have a warrant?

No, then you can't come in.

This is crazy.

Can I tell you, I view it as like charity almost, you know, where it's like, hey, do you want to like donate an extra couple cents?

And I'm like, yes.

Do you want to round up?

Like, that's how I feel about cookies.

You donate your personal information.

I'll accept these cookies.

You want to round up.

Honestly, and if you say, do you want to round up?

Nine times out of 10, I will say yes.

But if you say, do you want to donate?

I'll probably say no.

But rounding up, please get me to an even number.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For all the math geeks out there, which Nally is not, she's like, yeah, I can't possibly.

What are you charging me?

$97.

How much do you want to do that?

And then what is my total after that?

I don't know.

Do you know people used to balance a checkbook?

Yeah, I watched my mom do that.

I had to learn to balance a checkbook in school.

Never done it in my life.

I know how to do it.

Oh, yeah, I did it in school too.

Hell Mac.

Well, a little history lesson.

Back when things were like not.

paperless and people like lived like they do now on a on a on a tight budget and you would write checks and checks would take you know two to three days to cash so you would have to balance your checkbook checkbook every month to like track the few days between when the checks you would write and the checks would cash to make sure you don't go, you know, you're not overdrawn.

Boy,

crazy that my brain just exited my body when you started talking.

No, I literally, I don't know where I went, but I was not in this room.

Yeah.

And be like, what did you do with your credit card?

Yeah.

Yeah.

What about Zelk?

What?

They didn't email you?

Venmo?

You didn't get an alert, a text alert saying you were close to overdrafting?

Yeah.

You guys are all geniuses.

You didn't say, what if we just print more money?

An embarrassing story.

Period.

Very, very quick one.

I forgot how to write a check entirely, actually.

What?

Well, Danny usually writes our check for rent and he's on tour.

So I had to, and I had to look it up because I was like, I don't remember how to do this.

What are you writing a check for?

Rent.

But there's like.

Isn't that like an online portal?

There's little numbers online.

I'm going to sell my landlord.

Old school landlord.

With this many many dollars.

What do you?

Yeah, it literally spells it out for you.

It's ad-libbing.

Memo?

Memo line?

What do you put there?

Did your brain break when you had to like spell out the amount?

Yeah.

Like, how do you spell thousand?

No, it's this, it's the cents for me.

Yeah.

Well, it's, it's an even amount.

I don't pay like a cent.

You don't my rent is an incent.

You know, yeah, it's rounded up.

And so it just, I just wrote like my rent number.

It was very strange.

Zero, zero over a hundred cents.

At one point, I used to know how to do it.

We're getting dumber.

But on a fun note, are you excited getting ready for Halloween?

Yes.

No.

Halloween is my least favorite holiday.

And that's why we're in love.

Really?

So do you decorate for Halloween or do you decorate for fall?

Well, now that I have a child.

Well, now that I have a child, it's definitely like makes holidays more fun.

And so like, usually I would have just done pumpkins and it would have transitioned us from Halloween into Thanksgiving.

And then November 1st, everything comes down and the Christmas tree goes up.

But now that I have a daughter, I'm like, oh, this needs to be fun.

So we went to HomeGoods and got all the jack-o'-lanterns, all the little, the spooky kitties and all the stuff.

And that was so much fun.

But the thought of having to like come up with an idea of what to be for Halloween, it's like every even before, like it kills me every year.

They actually offered to give me a gift card, but they offered to give me a gift card right after me and Nick's mom left HomeGoods getting stuff for the lake house.

And I had spent so much money and I'm sitting in the parking lot waiting for Nick's mom to finish returning the cart.

And I I get a text from my lovely team being like, Hey, HomeGoods heard you talked about them on the podcast.

They'd love to give you a gift card.

I'm like, oh, well, that would have been perfect 10 minutes ago, but we'll still take it.

Thank you for saying

it.

The shelves in the disrespectfully Humble Bragg studio, HomeGoods.

Sounds like a sponsored ad.

Wait, you guys.

I have a question for the room and for our audience.

I am debating with my friend two different Halloween costumes, right?

We're either going to do Lisa Renna and Harry Hamlin.

Great, yeah, or same way.

Like, I'm gonna be Lisa Renna and she's gonna be Harry Hamlin because it really honestly doesn't matter.

They look the same, I was gonna say, just exactly the same wig, but I also want to do like full fan Lisa Renna drag.

I think that would be really funny.

Get it, or the Da Vinkey twins.

Who?

Who?

Do you guys know who the Da Vinkey twins are?

The Da Vinky twins are a little outdated.

They're two disagree.

They're like these two twin brothers who have himbos and they have hair that like sticks up like six inches and they like talk like this and they go da vinky.

I lose brain cells watching.

Honestly, that's like that's you have to commit to the bit too much.

If you have to speak in a different voice an entire night, it's way too much work.

I know.

I also am like, kind of want to be hot at.

my Halloween party.

You don't also, when it comes to a Halloween costume, it can't be like, oh, who are you?

Like, it needs to like, you need to walk in the room and people need to go.

Oh my God, I love that.

Oh, that's so, oh, my God, that's so good.

But here's my thing of like, obviously in in this room, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin would kill.

But in a mixed crowd of my friends who are a lot of like film people, they're going to be like, who the fuck are you?

But yeah, you know your audience for sure.

Do you think the film people are going to know the Dinkly boys?

That's crazy.

No, but like me and my friend are like stupid by choice.

They're so very, I think they're so dumb.

Don't do the Da Vinky twins.

Okay.

Sierra, what are you going to be?

I usually take it pretty seriously, but I tend to do it kind of later on.

So right now I have no idea what I'm going to be and I have to think of what Connor's going to be too.

So see, that's where it gets me.

It's like I have to also think of what like couple now like it has to be a group thing.

Now like River's involved, like it's just too much.

And last year River was a strawberry and Nick and I were quote unquote strawberry farmers.

Like, okay.

You can now this year I want her to be a cat because she loves cats so much.

But like, what are we?

The cat owners.

Wait, River can be a cat and you guys can be me and Justin.

You could be aristocats.

But who would Nick and I be?

edgar you would be um

not marie the mom the the the beautiful put together white cat uh river should be marie and then um nick is o'malley thomas o'mally yeah nick does give o'malley o'malley the alley cat her speaking of sexy cats uh your host me has been nominated for people magazine's sexiest podcaster Ryan yes he has I was not nominated last year I did leave I did lose lose to Taylor Lautner because I can't do backflips.

I'm also nominated against, I know I'm already going to lose because.

Matt Rogers and Bone Yang.

Yeah, Matt Rogers and Bone Yang are also nominated.

Well, Mary publicly said she was voting for them.

I said, and then I said, JK, I actually did vote for you.

I did vote.

And then did you vote again under a different email?

Yeah.

No, no, no.

I got there.

I got there and I stared at it for like a good, like, truly, I'm being completely vulnerable.

And I was like,

yeah, I have to go next.

because it's also i feel like it's unfair because it's two of them and one it's actually shocking it's a category because i never thought like something like people magazine would put man and sexy in podcasts in the same sentence yeah it seems like an oxymoron

also

all of like all of the prompts are interesting it's like sexiest man with tattoos yeah dylan efron your boy dylan efron

also who will be joining us on a special edition of Ask Nick, celebrity guest Dylan Efron, who is also a listener of Ask Nick and has incredible relationship insight.

That is Monday's episode of Ask Nick.

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And if I'm not a reason to join, sexy Dylan Efron is, I was a little offended because I thought, you know, maybe it's my butterfly tattoos that aren't so sexy.

I don't know.

But also there's a category for like sexiest 40-year-old, which of all the categories, I like, I'm sorry, Derek Huff.

I did not vote Derek Huff for that.

Who did you vote for?

Well, you have to vote to get to the podcasters.

I had to vote.

You know, I did vote Dylan.

Did we just stop at 40s?

Yeah, they just stopped.

There was also Sexiest Fictional Character, which I, of course, did vote for Dr.

Robbie.

Yeah.

Anyways, you can go to our link and bio on our Instagram and vote for Matt Rogers and Bowman.

Give River something to brag about one day.

Yeah.

It's for the kids.

My dad's the sexiest podcaster of 2025.

What if he was the Seth Meyers in a Lonely Island?

How would that feel?

Well, right now, all I have is Special Forces.

You know, I'll be like, I won this for you when you were just a little, little, little, little, like, you know, baby, little, little baby egg.

Special Forces is the one to brag about, too.

And you made it far at Dancing with the Stars.

Yeah.

Yeah, you learned how to do the merengue.

I can't do that.

Speaking of which, I think it's so funny.

So Tuesday night, Dancing with the Stars, it was Disney night, which is a fun category.

And all the sexy guys are always like the prince or something hot.

And I'm always reminded that that there was some producer on Dance Me the Stars that fucking hated me when I was on because they made me Pinocchio.

And I had to shave my beard.

Maybe that's why I don't correlate you with no beard today.

Maybe.

You know?

It was my best dance.

And

I proudly embraced it.

I feel like I don't know who can, who won Whitney and Mark.

Whitney gets the highest score every week.

25 out of 30.

Whitney's an amazing dancer.

I'm sorry.

Like,

I know that the TikTok says, you don't know what you're looking at, but I'm like, no, she is

skilled.

No, she did great.

In my opinion, I thought Alex Earl and Val definitely...

Most fun.

Coolest dancing.

Yeah, just the vibe of it all.

Really cool.

I was into it.

She's so sharp with her movements, too.

And I feel like she's somebody who, like, every week, same with Dylan.

It's like they give them notes and they come back.

even better.

But just like the costume and the vibe and the music, I was into it.

Some of the other dances were kind of, I don't know, boring.

Yeah, like didn't love the song that Whitney and Robert chose.

Like, what was that from?

I thought it was Tarzan, the way he was like coming down from a stripper pole in like a floral top.

I was like, this is kind of giving like Tarzan.

Speaking of Whitney and Robert, we have a very special Going Deeper with them on Wednesday.

You will not want to miss that shameless plug.

But yeah, it was

a fun show, Dancing with the Stars.

Natalie and I got to go next Tuesday.

And it sounds like Dylan has something up his sleeve for next week.

He kind of went to the next week category.

That I don't know.

They were, I'm really proud of Dylan this episode, this, uh, this week, because he was smiling.

He looked like he was having fun.

That's really important.

Dylan, Dylan's 100% going to the finals.

Next week's Dancing with the Stars theme is dedication night.

What did you do for dedication?

You don't want to know.

They said that they thought that he was going to do high school musical because of his brother in Disney.

And he was like, well, if I'm around next week, I've got something special planned, which sounded like he wasn't supposed to tease that, but I wonder if his dedication is going to be be to his brother I thought he would too and then we had Riley and Scott do high school musical Scott's doing really great I

enjoy his dances he's got

he can dance and sing he's a performer but like being as tall as he is oh for sure it's a he's at a disadvantage he's a little he's lanky I also think he's kind of at a disadvantage because I think he's one of the lesser known people on this cast this year maybe mainstream but he's got a massive following yeah I know the whole a cappella group but I'm just like I think out of everyone, I'm like, he impresses me every week.

I also think Danielle Fischel did a really good job this week as well, because she's somebody who I feel like is not a dancer.

I've heard she's been doing good.

And she did a, I want to look like you, I want to be like you from Jungle Book.

And their cute little costumes were cute because they look like little bears.

Oh, that's all.

No, Jin and Jan.

That genie costume was wild.

I don't know.

Seeing him, seeing him as Taylor Swift's background dancer is just like so sick.

But yeah, they're

the costume.

They correct

i mean could have gone with the ladder but we said no full body dye and i support that because that's kind of my halloween vibe can you imagine if they got eliminated this week being fully painted in blue

do we not move please you go out you go straight to vegas to fill in for the blue bang every time jen does something with her legs spread wide open i just think about that sweet little angel baby who just got in there not too long ago and it hurts me i just think about the fact that we had an issue with chippendales well you know, Zach has really evolved as a man.

Yeah, he's no, 100%.

I think he's a great support, but I just think it's funny that I'm just like...

No, she is the Chippendale.

She is the Chippendale.

I mean, going back to Nick being the sexiest man and Special Forces being the one that you should flex, I saw the clip of Eva drowning from the show.

She deserves so much.

I'm sorry.

Like, she lost consciousness.

Like, that was a scary clip to watch.

I didn't see this.

It stressed me out.

Just in choice.

I don't think people realize this how serious that show is.

Like, it is not for the fan of heart.

And the people who sign up for that show literally put themselves in harm's way and you literally sign a release saying you could die and some of the stuff they do is like legit legit dangerous it was crazy to see someone like go unconscious though she was okay you like you it's crazy too because like every bravo leb is like in eva's comments being like you're so strong because you literally watch her like lose consciousness and then i i don't know if it's rudy or whoever that was like like who are you where are you like making sure she could answer questions and she did but she was like catching her breath actively while like gaining consciousness and when something like this happens to somebody, are we immediately eliminated?

I forgot to ask.

Did she get like medically discharged because of that?

Or would they let her?

I don't know, actually.

Or do they keep her in the game if she can, if she wants to participate?

I'm watching Love Island games, and there's one guy who's famous.

Chris, actually, Chris from this past season, his finger got broken during one of the challenges, so he like immediately had to be sent home.

I thought he had basketball to play overseas.

Did you see that clip of him out that I guess some club that he was at

put on a marquee coming out to his table, still not overseas?

That's so evil.

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Anyways, Special Forces is Wild.

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Madison is here, ready to join us to get into some Love is Blind controversy.

I think we are fully Team Madison at this point.

That was

drunk.

Yeah.

But he barely admitted.

He was like, maybe

I was slightly overserved.

But I deserve a medal for for going and taking a nap.

Anyways, Madison joins us next to get all your juicy questions answered.

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Madison, welcome to the show.

So excited to have you.

Thank you for having me.

I'm so happy to be here.

Well, what a wild couple episodes you've been a part of really just i want to say thank you for bringing the drama this season um i don't know if you guys you probably didn't because you probably filmed right around the time they filmed in minneapolis but boy that was boring so anyways just uh

a selfish thank you anyways i guess where do where do we start let's just start by you know i i always ask the same question to many of the cast members but Obviously, this experiment is crazy.

Joe certainly wanted us to know just how insane it was.

But we do recognize the insanity of just signing up and being a part of this show.

So I am just curious, you know, were you a fan?

Have you watched it?

When you got this opportunity, what was going through your mind saying yes to such a crazy experiment?

Oh my gosh.

You know, I actually was a fan.

I have watched Love is Blind since season one.

And I really loved it because of the way that it resonated with me as far as my eye condition goes.

And I was like, this is so what I need to do to see truly, like in the long long run, if this is what my life could be like.

And to kind of get to explore that was just so incredible.

Speaking of your condition, just to like fully understand it, is this, is this something where you know at some someday you you will be blind or is it you you don't know and it's kind of like 50-50.

Like, can you better explain, you know, that what you have to deal with on a daily basis?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I have something called retinitis pigmentosa.

So it's a degenerative eye condition.

It is not 100% that I will go blind.

My prognosis is very up in the air.

There's so much research happening right now.

So really, it's a good time to have this diagnosis because of all of the research and all of the clinical trials and things that are happening.

But RP case by case is so different for each person.

So my RP is going to be different from somebody else's RP.

I know people that are younger than me that have never driven.

I know people that are 70 and still have some range of vision.

So I wish I could give you a clear prognosis.

I wish I had one myself.

But it really is kind of up in the air.

However, it is considered a blinding eye disease.

So we kind of have to operate with that maybe the case.

That's obviously so scary, Madison.

I mean, like from a mental health standpoint, can you give us some insight?

Or just for the people who maybe not this condition, but have to deal or live in fear of a scary diagnosis, how do you handle that?

And

how do you emotionally deal with that?

And what is that like dating?

Maybe before you got into Love is Blind, is that something that you would bring up on a first date?

Would you wait for a while?

Like, how did you handle that?

You know, when I was first diagnosed,

I was just in shock.

Nobody else in my family has this condition.

So I really had no information.

There was no resource that I knew of to go to.

And I really kind of went into denial for a long time.

I was.

genuinely just kind of sticking my head in the sand and not wanting to address it.

But I really think that monsters are scarier in the dark.

So the more that you learn, the more light that you can shed on it, the easier it becomes to kind of digest.

So I started doing as much research as I could.

I found a community through the Foundation Fighting Blindness, which I'm now the president of the Colorado chapter.

And I'm really advocating for people to, you know, speak more to their condition.

I think any diagnosis, it's a part of us, but it doesn't define us.

And I think that's the biggest thing.

As far as dating, you know, it's pretty evident.

I mean, if I go to a bar or a restaurant that's dimly lit, like walking in, I usually will stumble into something.

I might run into a chair or honestly trip on some chairs.

I mean, I do that too, and I can see just fine.

So,

yeah, exactly.

So, you know, it comes up pretty quickly.

I like to be very open and honest about it.

You know, it doesn't fully hinder my life, but it's definitely something that.

a partner has to kind of help me with a little bit.

Okay.

Well, let's jump into Love is Blind.

I want to start with, we know this experiment is about, you know, not leaning into physical attraction, but you know, I've said this many times.

I can never do this show.

Physical attraction matters to me.

I hope it's okay for me to say it.

You are a stunning, beautiful person.

That being said, how did it feel watching it back?

Or maybe did you hear about it before watching it back, hearing Joe comment on your body?

You know, Joe and I had a conversation off camera where we were just kind of talking in general about like dating and our types, I guess.

And he did mention to me that he usually dates, he said it to me as more petite women.

You know, when we date, obviously, typically our partners are attracted to us and we're attracted to our partners.

So hearing that, I think I internalized it a little bit.

I don't know what his intention was with saying it.

I think it was kind of an inside thought that was said out loud.

But, you know, his words, his words did really carry weight.

And

I honestly, from that comment, kind of developed an eating disorder

moving forward.

I'm healthy now, but it was something that I had never experienced before.

I've always been very self-assured, very confident in my body.

You know, I think there's insecurities like anybody, but with this experiment being already so emotionally heightened, that really threw me into an insecure space.

Watching it back and hearing his actual interviews was very disheartening.

It was really hurtful.

You know, again, inside thoughts being said out loud that didn't need to be said.

And it made me really sad that instead of this being about our connection, it became about my appearance.

And it opened the door for the rest of the world to comment further than they already will that comes with scrutiny of being on a show like this.

Yeah, I think you said that perfectly because, again, like to your point, everyone has a type, you know, but he does.

Like Joe just has this thing where it's just like, and I.

I'm an honest guy.

I've, I've been accused of saying things that maybe I didn't need to say, but you would think, I've been shocked by Joe's seemingly lack of self-awareness when the cameras are on, where it's just like, I guess I appreciate his honesty.

I mean, the drama is giving, but did he display any of that kind of unnecessary honesty in the pods?

You know, I'm sad you guys didn't get to see more of our journey in the pods, you know, because I really wanted people to see who I fell in love with.

I would say in the pods, there was no inside voice coming out.

I would say it was, you know, very standard conversations.

It was very,

you know, in the pods, like, I didn't fall in love with a monster, you know, and that's that's something that I really want to make clear here.

I know he's been getting a lot of hate.

Um, in the pods, he was honest in a way that felt very normal, right?

I would say we're both pretty transparent and honest people.

So there was nothing that kind of raised a red flag in the pods.

Okay.

Getting to Mexico, I think that first get together with everyone where to to us, he was clearly very hammered.

I think him and Jordan both were like well past their limit.

And Nick and I kind of joked that in that sixth episode before we got to see the next batch that we were Team Joe just because we were like, this is so obvious that he's hammered.

It's like he wants to go take a nap, like just let him sleep it off, wake up, he'll be fine the next morning.

And then you can have like a normal conversation about it.

But then watching episode seven and watching the continuation of that night, we were like, oh, wait, no, sorry.

Like, now we're Team Madison.

It was very clear that once he woke up, it was like he acted sober.

So I assumed that maybe he had sobered up a little bit.

And it's like he had zero

room in his

mind to hear you out.

He had his opinion on what happened and he was going to let you sit outside and continue to cry and make you feel crazy for your feelings.

Did you ever have a conversation about that that wasn't filmed?

Um,

you know, I really don't think we did.

Um,

we kind of were pedaled to the metal right after that.

You know, it's like you're filming and then you're going back to Denver.

So I don't, I don't recall an additional conversation

about that.

Uh, yeah.

Well, speaking of just kind of going back to what Nally said, um,

from for being in in that moment, were you fully aware that he like was first of all, was he shit-faced?

I mean,

I can't speak for him.

I don't, I wasn't counting his drinks, you know, so I don't know.

So, like, when you were questioning him, you weren't, you weren't sure about it.

Yeah, no, I honestly, when he went back, I just thought like, okay, he needed a little nap.

And what you don't see is that I was at the pool party for an additional probably four or five hours.

So in my mind, I'm like, okay, he's had four or five hours to nap this off, you know?

And so I was kind of given the option, hey, Madison, Joe is still sleeping.

You guys are scheduled to film tonight.

You can either go get your own room or go check on him.

I'm like, well, I would, of course I want to go check on him.

You know, I know he had been drinking.

We'd all been drinking.

Clearly, he had to exit the party for that reason.

So I wanted to go back and make sure he was okay.

And then in my mind, I'm thinking, well, you've napped.

I assume you're going to be okay, you know?

And I totally understand when he woke up and was like, whoa, well, I get being disoriented.

disoriented, but it was more the way that it was so confusing.

I was just like, whoa, wait a second, what is going on?

Like, and then it kind of continued.

And you see, even into episode seven, when he seems to be fine at that point, he's still kind of going in this roundabout type of communication, asking me, like, why are you embarrassed?

Like, why this?

Why that?

And it's like, I have been saying the same thing.

Like, I am repeating myself ad nauseum at this point.

What were you hoping that Joe would do in that moment?

Well, I think to answer that, I have to back it up a little bit because I was hoping at the pool party that, you know, it's our first time as a couple in a group setting.

I was really hoping that he would show up a little bit more for me, maybe a little bit less for Jordan, but I was hoping that he would show up for me in a way that was consistent with the person that I loved in the pots.

That's what I was mainly hoping.

I want to say then in the moment of when I woke him up, I was hoping that we'd have a conversation of how, how do you think the pool party went?

Like, it is great to see the other couples.

You know, what do you think of so-and-so and so-and-so?

Cause, you know, it's our first time seeing the guys and for them seeing us girls.

So I was just hoping to continue the night and continue to develop our relationship on a positive level.

We obviously watched him and Jordan go back and forth a lot.

And then we saw.

Jordan and Meg kind of go back to their room where she was clearly upset.

And we watched how Jordan handled that.

Was there any part of you watching it back that, I don't know, wished Joe would have handled it that way?

You know, I think I wish that,

I wish that Joe just would have had more self-awareness through the whole experiment.

And I think that translates into this situation too, where it's, I wish that he would have just seen that from my perspective, we're here together.

You're not showing up.

You got drunk.

And now I'm still trying to continue this in a calm way but I'm having a boiling over moment you know it's it's a culmination it's like I wasn't just upset about him waking up drunk like whatever that's that is what that is I can I can handle that I've dealt with drunk people whatever it was the culmination of the entire day that felt like this kind of bubbling up inside of me that was just so frustrating confusing and hurtful I'm absolutely obsessed with your phrasing of negative bitch um that was

hilarious um if you want me to be a negative bitch i can be a negative bitch Well, to that point where it's just like, I totally empathize with you because like you, you know, you, we all know this is a crazy experiment, you know?

And I don't know about Joe, but like, you know, what I love most about, I love a lot of things about my relationship with my wife, but like I want a partner that when I'm anxious, when I'm panicking, I want her to let me know.

It's going to be okay.

When it's the other, when, you know, when she's panicking, when she's anxious, I want to, I'm like, we don't both need to be.

We're gonna be okay.

Like, we don't need two people freaking out, being like, oh my God, the world is parting.

And like, it seemed like Joe, I mean, I guess the way I took it is Joe,

once he, you know, once he got out of the pods and things got real, like to your point, like at the pool party, you would think that

every couple, every individual in a relationship would want to show up to that pool party.

and present as a couple, you know, like, this is my girl.

This is my man, you know, like we are together and start like laying the groundwork of a team, right?

And to your point, it seemed like specifically, Joe, a little bit of Jordan was like, I'm, I'm in this by myself and I'm just trying to like survive as an individual.

And yeah, there was no checking in with you.

There was no like holding hands, physical intimacy.

And by physical intimacy, I mean just like that, just like a hand around the shoulder or the waist or just like connecting with your partner.

He was very much on Joe Island.

Yeah, you know, I totally agree with that.

I think in partnership, there's oftentimes bids for connection.

And you kind of see me having these bids of connection at the pool party.

You know, I go up to him.

I'm even, I'm even trying to be silly.

Like I'm like, do I have tasteful under boob?

Like, you know, just being silly, having fun, like reading the room.

And it just felt like every bid for connection was ignored.

And I felt, I just felt sad.

You know, I was still very much in observation mode, right?

Like seeing how do we operate?

How do we move through the world together?

How do you operate?

How do you move through the world?

But it is, it is hard.

It is sad

when your expectation doesn't meet the reality.

I know you mentioned he's been getting a lot of hate.

I did realize that he has a podcast.

I don't know if this started before or after Love is Blind, but where he was kind of like

poking fun at the hate and comments that he's getting.

How did that make you feel?

Um,

you know, I think it was on brand for Joe.

Pretty typical.

Um, deflect, you know, not really address what the issue is.

Yeah, I mean, he has a right to react however he wants to to this stuff.

You know, it's it's very difficult for all of us.

You also, I mean, if I remember correctly, maybe I'm wrong, but I think you did him a real good kindness by mentioning how good the sex was.

Yeah, I thought I did too.

Um,

do you stand by what you said, or were you being being really nice?

I,

you know, I don't think it was.

Yeah, I sure I stand by it.

You know, I stand by it.

It was, yeah.

What are your thoughts and/or opinions on Nick?

Oh,

you know, I really don't know Nick very much.

Um, I cut it off with him on day one in the pod, so I didn't get to know him on a personal level.

I have heard things, right?

But I don't know.

I truly, I don't know him well enough to be able to have an opinion on him what made you cut it off with him the first day um i i just wasn't attracted to his voice

i was like maybe there's something that was said i don't know yeah it's just because in episode nine i know joe kind of has that funny i thought it was funny where he was just kind of like yeah i'm just nick's not not the guy for me like i wouldn't be friends with him and then you kind of insinuated something i forget who you were talking to but you kind of said something else about maybe it was Kate

about how, like,

people don't like Nick.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Again, it's, it's all what I've heard.

Like, it's all things I had heard through the boys.

I mean, the boys were the ones, you know, able to speak to that far more than we could.

I guess outside of, you know, who dated Nick, but that's what I had heard.

I had heard the general consensus was not a fan.

What did you learn about yourself as an individual and as a dater through this experience?

Oh, that's a really good question, Nick.

I learned,

oh man, I would say I learned to trust my instinct

to really lean into that when I'm having a feeling, lean into that, trust myself 100%.

I also learned a much better sense of self.

I learned a better way to kind of lean into me and not allow other people's words to influence me or

deviate me from my character.

Yeah, I think, you know, overall, I really just learned to love myself.

Like, I really say all the time, like, I found love in the pods in more ways than I could have expected.

And one of those being falling in love with myself again.

Question for the ladies, including you, Madison everyone here.

Like,

are you, do you, do you ladies like boxers on men?

Like, yeah, the shorts.

Boxers?

Like, not the boxer breeze.

Like, I think I wasn't Joe wearing boxers.

Like, is he a boxer guy?

I don't.

I should feel like there's a lot of

bunching.

You know, they're like shorts.

I do like boxers.

I love boxers.

I like a boy butt.

I've said it a number of times.

That's what I'm saying.

The boxers don't accentuate the butt a lot.

The boxer briefs are like the tight Calvin Klein ones.

Maybe the like shh.

shorts.

Maybe the compression model.

The like plaid shorts.

He was wearing like

boxer.

Is that what he wore normally?

Because like in that scene where he was calling you woman

i thought that was crazy though when he was like woman

like okay yeah i think he was actually still wearing his swim trunks yeah i think

okay

yeah he must have been really hammered then are you surprised or not by edmund's personality I, you know, it's funny because when we were in the pods, like being in the lounge, we would hear Edmunds literally like yelling, Calabria, like from the other side.

So I feel like I kind of had like a taste of the Edmund, you know, like what he was very eccentric.

Um,

I

think I was a little bit surprised, you know, just at the pool party.

Like, there was a few moments that I was kind of like, wow, you're having very emotional reactions, or, you know, you're very intense.

I think that's a good way to describe Edmund is very intense.

Well, watching it back, a lot of energy.

Nally, and I have had a disagreement on this.

I just think he is incredibly eccentric and emotional.

But did you back to was it episode, at the ending of episode six, I think a lot of people are divided by Edmund's reaction.

Obviously, when we're talking about sex and things like that, it's a heightened topic.

And I think people are just more keen on reading reactions and what people are saying.

But from your perspective,

putting yourself in Calibrio's shoes, how did you see?

uh how Edmund handled that situation.

How did you read his tears?

Some people found it manipulative.

Other, you know, me, I not so much, but I'm curious about your perspective.

Well, I first want to say I think KB handled that situation with such grace.

I personally would have been very angry if somebody was pressuring me to have sex.

As far as Edmund's reaction, you know, I think something that's important to know is, you know, he grew up in foster care.

He speaks openly about that.

And I think that when you have an upbringing like that, it lends itself to, you know, developmental differences.

And I think that he had to kind of learn through foster care.

I get attention when I act out.

I get love when I act a certain way.

Of course, these are just my thoughts.

I haven't spoken to Edmund directly.

So I think that what you're seeing is he's having an emotional reaction to something and maybe doesn't know exactly where to place that and how to appropriately communicate it.

Wow.

When you're in the pods, and I'm, because we saw, we saw, I think was it, it was Sparkle Megan.

Was it Ryan?

Is that the guy she didn't pick?

Mike.

Mike.

They asked each other what they're wearing in one scene.

And if I'm in the pods, I would ask that every time because I just feel like someone's style, how they dress themselves, how they carry themselves, like matters to me.

Like, did you ask questions like that?

Or, and what was some of the common questions?

that you asked the people you dated to try to like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm sure you're thinking of of a lot of questions of like, I can't ask this.

I don't want to seem superficial, but how do I ask questions that give me insight into who they are?

Well, you know, I really, I wanted insight into the character.

I wasn't so much focused on like, what are you wearing?

What are you thinking?

But we absolutely, Joe and I had many, many times like, oh, like, what are you wearing today?

You know, and we'd kind of like giggle and laugh about it because he's like explaining his outfit.

I'm like, that just sounds like such a man outfit.

Like, I can't even, I can't even like comprehend what that looks like.

So we did talk a lot about, you know, what we were wearing.

We asked those questions.

Questions that I asked personally, I asked a lot of times, do you know your attachment style?

That was something that I was very interested in because I am a little bit more of a disorganized attachment.

So I do not do well with avoidant attachment.

Was that Joe?

So I would definitely kind of ask questions like that.

I don't know actually what his is.

Honestly, I don't think he had done the testing.

So he wasn't sure what his was.

Through my experience, I would actually say he might be more disorganized like me, where it's kind of a mix of avoidant anxious.

I know Joe's getting a lot of heat and deservedly so.

That being said, just for the sake of grace, what are some of the qualities that maybe people didn't get to see from Joe that you did

that, you know, explained why you fell for this man?

Yeah, in the pods, he was

so adamant about choosing me.

I mean, he was like so sure of me.

And I think that's a really great quality is that he was so loyal.

He was so like gung-ho, committed.

I mean, literally, I was the one being like, no, I think you should still see out your other connections because I'm still seeing my other connections out, you know?

Like, I literally went to proposal day with somebody else because I was still trying to see, is this for, I wanted to be sure.

He was that other person.

I think that was a really,

oh, he's not even shown on the show.

So

yeah.

And we're friends.

But, you know, he had these moments, kind of like these quiet moments where I felt like there was just really deep connection.

And I don't know how to articulate that as a character trait, but he kind of had, there were moments that I felt grounded with him.

And so there were times I did feel a grounding energy.

And, you know, he really was in general very reassuring, I would say.

In general, you know, I would be kind of on eggshells, but then I would feel reassured.

So

yeah, I mean, I think in the pods, I just really,

he was so consistent.

He was so consistent in the pods.

And that was something that I was really looking for as somebody to kind of ground me, because I think that I can be a little bit more, you know, I'm an emotional person.

I feel everything.

And so I can be a little bit back and forth on emotions.

And I felt like he was very grounding and very centered in the pods.

Well, Madison, I really appreciate you taking the time.

I know you have to get going.

Do you have any like final thoughts before we let you go?

We got to keep it short, though, because you do have have to go.

Okay.

No, honestly, thank you so much for having me.

Like I just want everybody to know that if you're your truest self, the true love will find you.

So well, we really appreciate it.

We've really enjoyed watching you.

It's been a ton of fun.

Best of luck the rest of the way.

We're excited to see how things play out.

But just know that you have fans and us here at the Vile Files.

Thank you guys so much for having me.

All right.

Take care, Nadis.

Bye.

Bye.

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All right, what do we all think of Madison?

I loved her.

Can I also say, did she kind of resemble Stossy Schroeder a little bit?

Oh, yeah, a little bit.

I kept looking at her and I was like, I wonder if she ever gets that because she's really giving a Stossy Schroeder performance.

Did she dye her hair?

Is it darker?

It's darker.

Really not doing Joe any favors here.

I'm just not.

That guy, I don't know.

She doesn't have to do him any favors.

No, I'm not saying she should.

I'm just.

What if they're married?

What if?

If they're married, then God bless them.

Yeah.

Two souls that understand each other because I don't get it.

Some people just like the bait and switch of like, I hate you one second.

I love you.

Yeah.

Toxicity breeds a little horniness.

Drama.

Everybody needs some drama, you know?

I mean, Joe is, to me, he's just clearly panicking.

And he's just like, I think there was that scene where the rest of the guys, and they're like, hey, we're three weeks out.

And he was like, three weeks?

I mean, Joe is in absolute spiral mode.

He's finding anything he can to start a fight.

And he desperately wants Madison to break up with him.

Like the classic guy move, where it's just like, break up with me.

Don't make me the asshole.

He is sabotaging the relationship for the sake of self-preservation.

I think my thing with Joe is that obviously a lot of people go on the show with

the thought that they could potentially get married.

But Joe really doesn't seem like he has any intention of marriage when you're going on a show where the plot is to do that.

And so it's just a bit confusing.

Like, he's like, wait, wait, we get married at the end of this?

Yeah.

Did he read his contract?

What show did you sign up for?

Yeah.

Because this is ending in marriage.

Uh-huh.

At least Allie is like, to me, Allie is in it just for fame.

Like she, my guess is is she's already filmed a season of perfect match like she's

she's playing the long game you know what I'm saying and like she's gonna like my prediction with Allie and what's his name Anton Anton Anton is she is gonna be the coolest partner super chill everything is fine and at the very end she's gonna say no I don't think she's in it for the fame I think really why she does she doesn't like that Anton's partying like she wants to be a stay-at-home person she's a nurse and nurses could be in it for the fame don't get me wrong but like, she seems sweet and wholesome.

Like, to me, I saw her and I was like, oh, this is a reminder that like hot, nice people exist.

You could, I don't know.

It was everyone on The Bachelor is a nurse.

This is a weird conversation that she had with Anton about like, has anyone ever put makeup on you?

And he was like, no.

And she was like, I'm going to put makeup on you.

It was like, I mean, okay, I guess, but like, why?

She's just weird.

I don't think she's like

in it for the fame.

No, I like her too.

But I mean, I want to be clear.

When I say in it for the fame, that is not like me saying saying this is a bad person this is a tv show like we all like everyone we're all in it for the fame we're all to some degree i just think allie's playing it like she has the self-awareness like you know it for me right like it's not like when i first went on the bachelorette i didn't like do it for the fame but i you know like there was like when i signed up for it there was like hey I'm on TV.

This is exciting.

This is cool.

There's an ego part of it.

Like when I got into the bachelor world, I lost my mind and got sucked into

that world where Allie has the self-awareness, I think, that she like, she sees past the bubble.

Like she's never fully losing herself in this experiment.

And she's, oh, I think in the back of her mind, she's like, perfect match, perfect match, perfect match.

And she's going to do great on it.

There was a

in one of the teasers, there was like a clip of Anton like saying she doesn't like clean up after herself too, which was interesting.

I think he's more OCD and she's just a little messy.

I love a messy queen as one myself.

Representation matters.

Hey, it really does.

Yeah, there's a huge difference between like leaving food out and being filthy and just like close every day.

I mean, take off your clothes, like your bathroom floor being full of like sweatpants and sweaters.

You'll get to it eventually.

Yeah.

Dirty and messy are two different things.

Yeah,

I'm not dirty.

I'm messy.

Well, do y'all think Todd Napolia is dirty or messy?

Both.

Both, Diva.

He's not dirty.

He's just messy.

I I don't know.

I think he's kind of.

I think a lawsuit implies dirty.

That's a $10 million lawsuit against Bravo.

For what?

Defamation.

Where I'm like, can you sue the entire network?

By the way, we've transitioned to housewives for anything.

Are we not going to talk about Nick and Annie?

Oh, my God.

Wait.

No.

Nobody else was confused?

Their argument.

Oh, yeah, that was bonkers.

I watched it twice.

I was like, what is this?

No, I kept rewinding because I was like, why is she so upset?

I like really couldn't figure it out.

And then what got me is when she like kept being like, I don't fucking need you.

I don't need you.

I don't need you in my life.

I guess I'll just leave.

He kept being like, I hear you.

I hear you.

Like he has way more patience than I would.

This is a PSA for all new couples.

Do not have serious conversations when someone is wasted.

That girl was literally drunk.

She wasn't having the same conversation he was.

She kept coming, jumping back in, being like, I don't need you.

Or like coming in with a completely different thing.

I was like, that girl is not coherent to what's going on.

I would have to say that.

Yeah, it's also like, it's not sounding the way you meant it to sound because it's coming across as like way harsh.

It's like, I, I mean, I, I want you.

I mean, we're arguing semantics, but like, I, I want Natalie to want and need me.

Like, I don't want it to be like, you know what?

Honestly, I could do without you.

There's a way to say that to where I'm like, I understand her trying to empower herself of being like, I don't need you in my life.

I'm choosing to have you in my life because you add to it, because you benefit, because I benefit from having you in my life.

I see what she's trying to say, but that's why I was like, even when she was repeating things back, I was like, that's not what was said.

So that's how I know you're not in your right mind.

I will say, though, she absolutely did not stick the landing.

No.

And it was one of those moments where I was like, how did we get here?

Because the whole argument was about like how she felt like he, she was more into him than he was into her.

And then she was like, I don't need you.

And he's like, what?

I was like, he's like trying to hold her hand and she's like brushing him away.

And then he's like, I've been trying.

You keep pushing me away.

She's like, well, then come here.

Yeah.

honestly i just think she's overheating with that much hair on her head no don't do her i can't i don't know i'm all for i'm all for an extension you know pop off queens but like that is just so much hair on that on that tiny person you guys i i support however they want to communicate you know love is love when it comes to the two of them i see what you did there um i will say in annie's defense i i get irritated when like i feel an issue when someone's talking to me overly peaceful.

So when Nick was like, just go to bed.

It's okay.

Just go to bed.

I would have been irritated too.

I mean, I hate the saying, tomorrow's a new day.

Yeah, I'm still gonna be best.

I'll wake up with hate in my heart.

I don't care.

There's nothing that irks me more than somebody feeling comfortable to just go to bed in the middle of an argument where I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me?

And you know, it's probably like 2, 3 a.m.

So he's like, it's already a new day.

Let's just move on.

I don't get past it.

Although Natalie and I have learned in therapy that like, and

it's such a fine line because like we all all grow up with this idea of like, don't go bed, don't go to bed angry and things like that.

But like, that also doesn't mean you need to finish a fight and finish an argument.

And like, we've had to learn how to in our few very selective, very once-in-a-while fights.

Yes.

Um, and it's always Natalie and it really pisses me off.

And she's right too, because she's like, we're, we're not, we're finishing this later.

And I'm like, fuck it.

Like, no matter what, we'll, we can be pissed, but like, we'll get in the bed and be like, by the way, still love you

we could talk about it tomorrow but I do love you something and then that's like it and then you go to bed and then you wake up and you go about your day and then maybe around like I don't know four 5 p.m.

the next day you're like hey let's chit chat about what happened yesterday circling back you guys something like that

it usually works but speaking of messy and dirty no todd napola oh my god first of all didn't he name odd

yeah he already crushed out on a live stream give us context we're a little all over the place.

Someone.

We already know that Todd crashed out on a live stream like a month ago being like, I only agreed to participate this because they said they were going to tell the truth.

And then I saw the first three episodes and it's them lying about me.

And he's specifically referencing like the housewives, like her castmates, like forcing her to paint him in like this negative light.

And in that live stream, he was like, I'm not broke.

I own a shopping center.

He owns real estate.

I can assure you, without ever seeing a Bravo contract, the contract doesn't say, we'll make sure that we show you in the light that you want.

Yeah.

Right.

And he was saying something, if I remember correctly, in the live stream, that like Bravo also promised him or the producers promised him that it would be like a good light, which I don't think they're.

He still signed a contract that says, we can do whatever the fuck we want.

With your likeness and with your consent.

So that's why I'm so confused.

And I'm like, and you chose of all types of people to marry a housewife.

Yeah.

He also named Alec.

Adriana Damora for alleging multiple times that she had heard that they were having some money trouble.

So So, this is this is in the lawsuit, but to like wrap up the live stream part, remember he said that the reason they divorced was because of housewives.

So, that was the whole conversation that he was like, you guys are the reason that I divorced Alexia because I had to divorce her to protect my peace.

And like now, in this lawsuit, he's suing Bravo for defamation.

And Audrey DeMore, like Mary, said she was one of,

she just openly spoke on the show about how she heard that.

She also said she was directly from Todd.

That would be like John Barlow suing Bravo.

But that's what I'm saying.

You fought so hard to get yourself, what does Miami have?

A martini or a cocktail.

And yet now that you're being talked about, you don't like the way that you're being talked about.

So you want to sue?

It's like, there's no way that Bravo doesn't have something in their contract to to protect against this because like anybody could say that.

You know that you're going to get edited.

You know that there's hours of filming that we don't get to see the full context.

So you shouldn't be signing up for this.

Little marrying a housewife.

Do you want to sue that?

He does allege that he didn't sign a contract for specific moments in season six and seven.

So I think I don't think it works like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That definitely didn't happen.

It's not a thing right now.

It's a contract for only this next hour of filming and nothing further.

And you're talking about Bravo, where there's been such more insidious shit that has happened in past seasons, years and years ago, that Bravo by now.

in the Lord's year 2025 has knows how to protect themselves from that.

I'm still really, really rooting for a Judge Judy type show of Bravo lawsuits.

Like, I want it so bad.

I want it so bad.

This is just, yeah, to Sarah's point, this is a lawsuit that like is the bottom of the barrel out of all the lawsuits that have existed.

Like this one's like, okay.

If you did not watch the Real Housewives of Miami reunion part one, or you did and you don't remember what happened, here is your rapid recap.

It's reunion time.

Andy speaks a little Spanish.

Dale, oh, said like pitpo, dale.

That's a little Italian.

I don't know.

I'll work on it.

Larsa's dating another NBA player and nature is healing.

Alexia and Todd are no contact for sure.

But she does admit the narcissist party was in fact about Todd.

Gertie doesn't accept anyone's apology, R.E.

Julia throwing water and overall being a demon.

She also doesn't think she took it to social media.

However, the microscopic dots on her Instagram stories may disagree.

Divalina.

Gertie also addresses the literacy crisis in America, claiming her text receipts did prove her case.

The girls just don't read.

Stephanie Sojay serving the Riddler chic is proud of being Filthy Rich, but does want to work on her tone.

Adriana feels like there is a dagger in her heart because she's not Julia's kids' godmother.

Why does she care so much?

Maybe it's because Julia is friends with Alexia and Marisol now, or maybe it's because Julia and Adriana slept together in the Hamptons.

Overall, who topped?

If God is good, we'll find out in part two of the reunion.

What a very casual way of saying I cheated on my wife.

Right?

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Martina died.

She's like, we were just going through something.

I'm like, I guess.

I do we think she gave Adriana the heads up that she was going to bring that up.

Absolutely not.

No.

Do you think she didn't pick her as her godmother because she thought she was bad in bed?

Or because she had

a tryst?

I think what they alluded to is that Audreya, the flashbacks, Audreyana was alluding to, well, you don't want me to say something.

You don't want me, it's going to be dark if I say it.

And I think Julia was like, well, I'm going to just say it for you.

And listen, I hate to come for Julia, but like, I do feel like this is Julia's Hail Mary pass.

It, like, please keep me on for next season.

But also, we don't know that it was cheating.

I mean, it could have been open.

That's why I think she was.

No, she said, no, no, no, in the preview for the next one, she said,

that someone asked if they were open and she said no, they were going through a tough time in their marriage.

Yeah, well, there you go.

I cried Julia.

I mean, that's quite the Hail Mary.

I mean,

it's kind of giving Sheena a sorry, but like throwing your like marriage under the bus to be like, well, maybe I'll get to stay on a show.

Like, that's crazy.

I hope, like, Martina's heard about this before, and is she okay with that being exposed to the world?

She'll probably tweet about it.

Uh, using football references, calling an audible here, can we just like circle back to the drama that's going on between um Lala and uh Sheena?

Like, what's going on there?

They are going back and forth, but not, I don't know, I haven't seen Sheena's latest retort back, but Lala responded about Sheena's saying that Lala threw a tantrum or something in front of her kid while they were on the phone or something and cussed her out.

This is all performative and like beyond TV.

100%.

Okay, so the whole thing is that people are saying, remember the whole Tamara said that Sheena had said that her biggest dream is to be on the Orange County housewives.

A lot of people think that this is coming back and forth because Sheena's bitter about Lala being consistently on the valley

and Sheena not booking that, I guess, or not filming for that.

But at the end of the day, it is really hard to tell because, I mean, they share pretty much a wall in Palm Springs.

They have houses right next to each other.

Their kids go to school together.

So I'm like throwing these like hits at each other back and forth.

I'm like, who is this helping or hurting?

It's just like, yeah, because it's like, if you're really fighting, do you really fully take it online constantly?

I think it was.

Especially someone who they considered to be that close of friends.

Yeah.

I mean, she called Sheena's podcast fucking insufferable.

Like, I'm like, you know what I mean?

Just like, it's like you're going for each other's work.

You're saying these things about stories about being a bad parent in front of children.

Like, I'm like, these are also hits that you don't really come back from.

And neither one of you are on a show together that this serves.

I think it's orchestrated.

So I'm like, orchestrated for what?

I think they, I have a theory and no evidence to this, just my own theory that since they were best friends two seconds ago, that they were like, okay, let's just go for it.

And like the next season's off limits, or like we can rehash after, but like, let's just make it something.

Like, I would understand that if they were on VPR together, but it's like, I mean, they're gonna, it's valley drama.

And like, Sheena's being teased with Alex Baskin for OC for probably an appearance.

But I think it's just like they know that it's gonna serve them in the long run to stay relevant.

I mean, let's be real.

Like, they're professional TV, reality TV stars that are out of work.

Yeah.

And all they know is this is like, you know, this is all they know.

It's like, you know, crazy.

Yeah, but Lala's not out of work.

You know, it's just like they don't want to consider a career change.

Right, but like Lala's on a show right now, so she could choose not to respond to Sheena at all.

Sheena was technically, she's on it too, technically.

No, she didn't film, I guess, for this season.

She just didn't we see her for scenes, but she just hasn't been in most of them.

Well, she wasn't on the trip, is what I saw.

You're talking about last season or this season?

This season.

I thought they both were kind of.

It's Schwartz and Lala filming with the cast.

Sheena was rumored to have after her book came out, but Sheena's gonna

see Valley season four.

Put Sheena on Miami.

Have her hook up with Julian Edge.

No won't do it.

I'm honestly shocked that the girls like defended going back to Miami.

The girls defended not having Gertie's back with the throwing water.

It's like, how do you?

It's just weird that they're all like, well, you didn't stand up for me two years ago.

And it's like, but I bet you would have liked it if somebody did.

Yeah.

Like, I don't understand.

Like, why are we justifying throwing things at each other?

Maybe y'all just stop doing that because you're grown-ass women.

I just like, it's really, I just can't with Julia.

There's just, I just, and, you know, I, this is coming from me.

Usually if I see two housewives hooked up, I'm like, this is for me.

Hell yeah.

This is what I want on TV.

But I'm watching this and I'm like, okay, Julia, like.

How are you like gay, evil, and boring?

Oh, my God.

That was crazy.

that's crazy i think i kind of like her she's hot but also the same julia is hot i'm not saying she's not hot julia's definitely hot julia's hot anyways lars is dating another nba player which i find beautiful yeah she's gonna be of course he's backstage watching

so random what was she saying about like her feet photos or something she was just like the way that she affords pick a different sport she's got a type okay well no because marcus didn't even play basketball did he i don't know i think he was just the son of a famous nba player son of michael jordan thank you

She was going to date the son of.

It might as well be the greatest basketball player to ever play the game.

And it might as well be the son of your ex-husband's former teammate.

That you absolutely allegedly did not call the paparazzi on.

Yeah.

Well, we also have dipped our toes into Potomac.

And

boy, are we happy we did.

It's awesome.

I love Potomac.

So she did hire

an actor to play her partner?

Maybe.

Well, we have a rapid recap if you'd want me to recap that.

We're starting off strong with some dramatic Karen Huger sentencing footage.

Giselle and Ashley Darby hope she can stay in AARP section of jail.

Thomas Jefferson's concubine is mentioned.

Stacy is claiming she didn't pay TJ to be her love interest last season and says he is remorseful.

TJ and the girls disagree.

TJ is suing her.

Stacy can't be friends with women who don't support other women and storms off.

She's also back with her ex-husband, Timo.

Kay and Greg broke up, then went to Jamaica and got back together.

Her mom isn't pleased.

Dr.

Wendy and Eddie are slaying life, but her kids don't think she's a real doctor.

Ashley Darby is now officially divorced.

Remember the photo shoot?

We sure do.

She also is trying to figure out if TJ is suing Stacey, who says that the truth is that she's forgiven him.

Stacy's divorce is also not in the Virginia database, and her breath is allegedly bad.

So no one knows what's going on with her.

We've also got two new friends, Angel, who loves matcha and hiking and mindfulness, and Tia, who is a British Nigerian princess.

Kay is mad at Dr.

Wendy because she didn't say hi to her at an event.

Stacey calls Ashley the devil because she wants to see her divorce papers.

Overall, Potomac rocks.

Very excited to see what happens next.

It was strange that Kay had like such an issue with like that whole disagreement with Wendy.

I was so confused.

I'm like, so yeah, you wanted her to wave at you while she's speaking on stage.

She's like, well, a friend would have given you a friendly nod.

I mean, it definitely seems like, and this is the first season of Potomac I've watched, so I don't know like the lore, like what, if there's anything previously between Kay and Wendy, but it definitely just seems like Kay feels very invalidated by Wendy and is just like projecting.

Daisy's her ability to lie is

shocking.

Is she lying, though?

Not in her mind.

No, she's like, yeah, it's just like,

I just don't need to talk about it.

I don't.

I've forgiven him.

I don't need to talk about imaginary people.

I wonder who it was.

She's like, she's not imaginary.

And her name is.

And then they leaked it.

It's very reminiscent to me of when Brooks lied about cancer and how Vicki reacted to it in Orange County, but it was just very like, you know, you've done something wrong.

So of course, instead instead of wanting to defend yourself, you're kind of like, listen, why don't we just let bygones be bygones?

But if somebody else did this, you would not let it go.

Also, is it, it's not confirmed just yet that she lied.

It's not confirmed.

We're still going to unfold it.

But also, why isn't her divorce in the database?

I mean, because she's with the guy again.

I know, but she said that her divorce was finalized.

So just because they're like back having dinners together doesn't mean they remove it from her.

Stacy's not the lawyer.

Maybe she thought it was finalized and they pulled it at the right time.

No, and I love that Stacey was trying to make it seem as if Ashley did these gymnastics to get these results to find out that her, she's not in the database.

Where it's just like, it's a really easy search.

Anybody has the 10 minutes to do this.

Yeah.

Speaking of, just for context, like them bleeping that name, that is a person, the person whose name they bleep, who didn't sign a Bravo contract.

Yeah.

And so, you know what I'm saying?

Like, when we watch this shit and people complain, Bravo knowing they're an easy target for a frivolous lawsuit, like that's how careful they are.

They don't fuck around to find out.

So like when these people like claim this crazy shit and then sue, like,

it's just, it's all, it's just a bunch of egomaniacs who just didn't like their edit.

Same with OC, the guy that allegedly

the singer guy that Tamara allegedly slept with.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I really, I'm coming out as a Ashley Darby super fan.

Um,

love her.

Sorry, Ashley Darby being referred to as a duchess.

Coming down the stairs where she could barely come down the stairs because her dress was so big.

Yeah.

For her second bloom.

thank you guys so was this second blossom second like i never heard of this i haven't either i'm here maybe this is crazy i understood her completely i was like no i get what you're doing this is you're finally divorced you're so happy about it took 10 years and now this is your second coming what's what's giselle what's what she's what is she famous for other than housewives i feel like i've i know where i've seen her i've only seen one episode but she walks and carries herself like she is the number one guy so to speak she is like she's the queen of this cast her her ex is jamal harrison Harrison Bryant, so just a pasture.

Right.

Or a famous politician.

A pasture?

Or a pasture?

A pasture?

Oh my God.

I didn't realize my dad was a pasture.

Who called somebody a pasture?

What?

I have no clue what you're talking about.

But to go.

Oh, no, Tamra did it season, season, seasons ago in Orange County, and I was watching it.

Oh, well, picking up on Giselle, and I know Justin will agree with me.

If you want some great Giselle content, you need to watch Ultimate Girls Trip season three in Thailand.

Yeah, like you're missing out on the Candace of it all.

Yeah.

She was good TV.

I know they wanted her back.

I know Monique's coming back, which is crazy because Candace isn't back this season.

Also, in that season, you get Giselle interacting with Heather and Whitney from Salt Lake City, which is pretty great.

Well, speaking of Whitney, she's dancing on a pole.

She's back.

Do you want to get a pole in the house, babe?

You know, I don't know if it fits my like decor style.

Definitely.

Well, you know, if you have no idea what we're talking about, here's your rapid recap for the Real Housewives of Salt Salt Lake City.

Angie says Lisa does French fries.

She does franchises.

She also says Fresh Wolf belongs at Walmart.

Heather goes into peacemaker mode and gets Lisa to apologize to everyone but Whitney.

Mary thinks tequila tastes like the hospital because all smells have a taste.

Whitney is no longer a CEO, so she's ready to get back on her poll.

Diva.

Bronwyn and Lisa sit down and hash things out.

Lisa clarifies she does not think Bronwyn is a whore.

And that, my darlings, is what we call growth.

Mary pulled a valophiles and got a whole new setup for her church.

And we finally get to see Lunatic Fringe.

Angie is stepping back behind the chair to give Heather a perm.

Amazing.

No notes.

Oh, also Lisa's assistant came in and picked up the Fresh Wolf product and Lisa called her salon dusty via text message.

Brittany is trying to be friends with Whitney.

Also, she's back with Jared again.

Brittany also can't conceptualize taking a break from dating for her daughter's sake.

Whitney is really trying with this girl.

Bronwyn's mom has a lot of opinions about her parenting style.

That whole situation yikesies.

Meredith and Angie are no Laverne and Shirley, but they're trying.

Angie also wants Meredith to know that Lisa is not the Laverne to her Shirley, but begs the question, what if Meredith wants to be Laverne?

Then it's revealed that Lisa encouraged Angie to dig up dirt on Meredith's family to use as ammo last year.

Meredith isn't sure she believes this, but she is sure going to find out.

Overall, will we get Mary's dream scenario, which is Meredith and Angie team up on Lisa?

A girl can hope.

I really felt for Browen in this episode.

I mean, like,

there are good parents and there are bad parents.

And I know all parents want to think they're good parents, but like when your child goes through some traumatic experience and certainly getting pregnant pregnant in a young age, not knowing what you can do.

And a lot of parents do this when parents make it about how they look to their friends and their community.

Bronwyn carrying this kind of trauma with her mom, I really, I really felt for her.

And the fact that her mom like still speaks from that point of view.

While she's taking care of her.

Yeah.

It's just, ugh.

To throw out like, she would have gone to foster care.

Yeah, no, I was like, that was dark.

That was really dark.

As if there was like a possibility or something or that like Ronwyn wasn't capable if she didn't help but heaven forbid it just really gives me a lot of empathy for bronwin

i think some of the like issues i've had with her is how she really just does seem to kind of like talk a bit out of both sides of her mouth to like really want people to like her and she's been open about really needing people to like her and watching this interaction with her mom just gives me like a lot like my heart hurts for her and that way of like i understand her why she can't let lisa go and like we're like oh my god she's just really, she needs that approval from people.

And anyway, I just really hope that she can like get over that and realize.

I feel bad for Gwen.

I know.

Like she clearly is still in a place where she just like, how can you sit there as a grandmother to this now like 18 year old who you are living with?

and still come from this point of view and not be like, you know, I am so grateful.

I love her so much.

Like, I'm so glad we did what we did back then or you did what you did.

Like the fact that she's she's still like, that was incredibly hard for me and for your father, who has just like, okay, I feel like we can move past that.

This is a whole ass person with a beautiful life.

I just, I wish more young mothers were, were supported, um, you know, to make whatever decision they want to make for themselves.

And I just think for all the conversations around young mothers, it's,

yeah, I think they should be supported.

They should be, whatever they want to do, they should do, but they should also not be scared into making various decisions.

Especially by like your own mom.

Like to not have your mom be like, you know what?

I'm disappointed that this is what happened, but like now you have a baby and this is real.

And like, let's like, let's get our shit out of the city.

20 years later, she's still shaming her daughter.

That's crazy.

The not buying her pregnant daughter clothes, but buying those sisters clothes.

Like that.

That was like really just like made my stomach.

Telling the attendant that, like, that's, that's, you want to hurt.

For Brian to take care of her mother the way she is saint yeah yeah hero oh saint for sure good fucking person like most a lot of people wouldn't like there's so many people out there that rightfully so like hang on to so much anger from their parents and brawen's ability to forgive and and still take care of her mom is uh she's a she's a good fucking person do we think heather left the salon with only four strands in her bedroom or yes let's please talk about it was a water permit it wasn't a real perm what's the difference i just also really, really loved

Angie being like, yeah, I don't really have my license anymore.

Let's test it back on Heather.

And like, Heather came in and her hair looked great.

So I'm like, if I'm Heather, I'm like, bitch, don't do this to me today.

Like, I have my hair actually looks good.

Like, wait till it's greasy.

But this is where I give producer Heather Gay credit because she was like, no, this is great.

Talk to me.

Like, of course I'm going to do it.

Putting those little granny rollers.

And Lisa, what the fuck, Lisa?

I thought we were good.

yeah no you're never good with lisa you're never good and i love her but i like was it was it bad for angie to like maybe go for lisa's kids

something had to be cut out of that conversation yeah because why did she bring up the product out of nowhere because kerastas was brought up kerastas yeah well i you know because angie's supporting this product in her store and lisa just like punted on it.

Yeah.

So then Angie should be like, he's like, you know what?

My son's product isn't good.

Whatever.

We're moving on.

He's like, I'm going to partner with Kerastas and not my son's brand but also let's not pretend it's like actually her son's brand it's her brand that like is like you know that's even worse

does she market it at all she did yesterday last night when the episode dropped yeah the first i heard of it all we know that it is according to angie it should be in walmart i mean to be fair If I'm Lisa, I would have done the exact same thing of like being like, oh, I'm just going to take the product if you think it's like C-line and you talk shit on it.

But then I wouldn't have gone as far as Lisa did to then be like, well, you're using someone else's credit card to spit to go on vacations.

It's like, wait a second.

I thought you were the one using someone else's credit card.

Now Angie's using someone else's credit card.

You know what it is giving not to quote my queen, but her being like, well, I heard that Brandy slept with someone else in this group.

And everybody being like, okay, girl, you're just saying the same thing that we accused you of.

Like

literally.

Angie goes deep.

And that's the thing.

She doesn't need to, like, she didn't need to bring the son into it, but it's because Lisa was sitting here exactly what Heather said, counting her change, being like, You don't own this amount.

And I was like, Why is this an argument that these housewives do where they're like trying to pull inventory on their castmates?

Being like, You actually own 1.7%, not two.

That was crazy.

Who gives a shit?

Is that public information?

And she cuts deep.

Yeah,

I love her so much.

Greek mafia forever.

Mary, with a father who is a pastor,

A, does he refer to it as his church?

And B, does he have a portrait of him next to Jesus?

Okay, so funny story.

Yes, that's a second one.

First, your first question, no.

He, if anything, he would maybe like consider himself more of like a leader of a parish or like a congregation, but it is like the congregation's church, right?

As far as the photo goes, in no churches that he has ever been pastor of, did he have a photo put up of him by choice.

However,

if you are ever in Sarasota, Florida, and you go to St.

Armin's Circle and

you are at St.

Armin's Key Lutheran Church.

There is a very, very funny painting that is of my dad up in that church that he hates more than anything in the world.

You have a photograph of said picture.

I, yes, I can, I can find it.

Rising with Jesus.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Basically, what happened is like every time a pastor would leave,

they would like make this, they would commission this painting of a pastor and they like have all the former pastors of the church in there.

And my dad like did not want it.

They did it anyway.

Yeah, but what is he doing?

What's the same?

It's just a portrait.

Portrait of him like in his robe.

Like in presidents.

But the thing is, like,

he's not with Jesus.

No, he's not with Jesus.

Jesus is not present in the photo, just in spirit.

And he just looks very jolly in it.

They gave him like really rosy cheeks.

And like my dad and I have like the same like face.

So like it's just really funny.

And then for Christmas last year,

my sister-in-law Madison made us all t-shirts like with that photo and a Santa hat on.

I knew it.

And And he really, really hates it.

And he's going to be really, really mad that I talked about it in such great detail right now.

But I think it's the funniest thing in the world.

Nick, I have a question about the Catholic churches that you went to growing up.

Was there always like a really overly scary sculpture of Jesus?

I mean, there's, you know, him dying on the cross.

But I don't really consider that scary.

Okay, because some of ours were like overly like over.

But like he's crying tears of blood.

He looks like a human.

I was like, I don't know about that.

No, we didn't have any of that.

Catholics get really goth.

Am I understanding Mary's family drama correctly when she doesn't get along with her mom because her mom wanted to marry her stepgrandfather and Mary got to?

I don't think it's the stepfather.

I think the mom wanted to take over the church.

The church.

And Mary's grandmother who ran the church put in her like dying testament or whatever that she wanted her to marry.

Robert Sr., which she did, and run the church.

So like that was the grandma's dying wish.

I think we're getting more details as the seasons go on because like earlier seasons, I think you kind of just know, like you you know the basics of the grandma promised the marriage of one of her granddaughters to her husband who's mary's stepfather it's like when you say it like that it just sounds

but then also now we learn the lore that mare that her mom got arrested at the church at some point did i catch that correctly i don't know if it was arrested but like definitely escorted out yeah when they were saying in the original story she would say that none of her other siblings wanted to take that up so then she took it up But like this episode, we get the context of like the mom wanted to take over the church and then she specifically anointed Mary and Mary wasn't a part of the church.

Like, I don't think we knew that Mary ran away from the church.

No,

that's new.

Yeah.

But it didn't, she didn't say that she came back to the church to like take over.

I think she at some point had left when she was younger and wasn't going to church.

And then they were like, oh, you should come back.

And she was like, okay, she came back potentially.

What I'm guessing is down the line from that after she came back, got more involved again.

is when this happened and they like saw it in her.

I think we're going to find out more because I think she intentionally probably kept it vague.

And like now she's choosing to talk about it.

Well, because her mom's recently passed.

I think that that was kind of the like reason that she she feels like that is close.

And Robert Sr.

also doesn't like Bravo.

Yeah.

Yeah, he won't be there.

So what's the socialite's name again?

They keep flashing her Angie?

Amy.

Amy the Utah Socialite.

She's trying out.

She's not doing a good job.

But even I enjoy her presence.

I think just Amy the Utah Socialite, because she's not being given friend of.

They just like flashed flashed at her face.

That's what's going to say, what is she after?

I don't know.

She had more lines than Melee from last season.

So exactly.

Exactly.

Do we think that Mary that Meredith and Angie will become friends?

I really, really want them to.

I don't know.

I kind of hated that Angie did that.

I kind of, that's what I was going to say.

I wish that like Angie didn't sit down like ready to be like, let's drive the wedge between the two people that couldn't be stronger.

I don't think she lied, though.

I think, I don't think she lied either.

Lisa's hot mic moment.

I think we know that Lisa wants other people to dig up alleged stories of Meredith.

She will go the distance.

She will go the distance.

I just, you know, obviously I want the best for my girl, my number one, Meredith Marks.

I just, I, I love Angie so much, and I really, I really just want a Meredith-Angie allyship.

I saw in the, in the teaser for the next episode, Angie says, like, yells at Mary.

I know.

I saw that.

I hated that.

I don't want, I, I really don't want an Angie Katsuneva's villain edit this season because then I'll have to support the villain.

I mean, yeah, I stand by Angie.

I think Angie's mad at us because we had Monica on.

I think a lot of them are mad at us about Monica.

But guys, we love you.

It's a show we want.

We want all take.

So why don't you come on here and tell us

Monica was Rob?

We'll win them over.

We'd love to hear your point of view.

Come hang out with us, please.

All right.

Well, I think that'll do it for this episode.

Thank you guys for listening.

Thank you to our guest, Madison, from Love is Blind.

Be sure to check out the reality recap episode from Tuesday so that you can hear the he said, she said between Patrick and Casey.

Next week, we get another jam-packed episode.

We'll have more Love is Blind Guest, as well as Robert Urban from Dancing with the Stars.

He joins us for going deeper along with his partner Whitney.

All that and more next week.

Plus, don't forget a special ASNIC episode with Heartthrob Dylan Efron.

He helps us answer some of those relationship questions and we deep dive into some meaningful relationship discussions.

That is all next week.

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