E1024 – Going Deeper with Britani Bateman

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Speaker 2 Oh, hello.

Speaker 2 Gorge.

Speaker 2 Wow. Oh, my God.
She's here. She is here.
I will be all right.

Speaker 2 Okay. Oh, what a dream.
Welcome.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 This is maybe the best start of an episode we've ever had. Truly.
How was your trip?

Speaker 3 You heard, didn't you?

Speaker 2 I heard a little bit. I'd love to hear more.
Oh, my God. I heard you missed a flight because you were recording TikToks.
Yes.

Speaker 3 That very TikTok I just finished, by the way. I made it.
It's about the journey.

Speaker 2 First and foremost, I just want to thank you for your honesty. About what? Well, you could have just said, I missed my flight.

Speaker 2 Oh, right.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but then, like, what kind of story would there be? Exactly.

Speaker 2 So Which is why we're grateful.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're welcome. You are absolutely welcome.
I mean, my life is literally an open book.

Speaker 3 I think that's, that's the one thing that has been the biggest change in my life is just that you are forced to be exactly who you are, or there are serious, dire consequences.

Speaker 3 Do you know what I'm saying? Like, no one wants to be caught in the Lisa Barlow of it all.

Speaker 4 Has it been scary or has it been freeing?

Speaker 2 Oh, it's been freeing. Freeing.

Speaker 3 I mean, I hear that the highest vibration of a human being is being completely authentic. And I've never been happier.

Speaker 2 You're glowing. So thanks.
Well, we are huge fans of you. Oh, huge.

Speaker 2 Thank you. I am always frustrated when you're not getting enough screen time.

Speaker 3 You're very sweet.

Speaker 2 I'm not being sweet. I'm just being honest.

Speaker 4 So he's

Speaker 2 awful.

Speaker 2 And I think you are, it's overdue for a snowflake. Is that something that chaps your ass like it chaps mine? Or are you just kind of grateful to be there?

Speaker 2 Or, or is it like just not of con like you're just like, whatever. I don't care.
The latter, mostly.

Speaker 3 The latter two. I

Speaker 2 cared for a hot minute.

Speaker 3 Okay. I care.
I was in New York rehearsing for my show and I didn't know for sure. I mean, I knew they were toying with yes or no.
And I saw the promo stuff come out. And I was like, gosh dang it.

Speaker 3 I mean, really? Like,

Speaker 3 I was pretty bummed.

Speaker 2 I ate breakfast. When did you find out that you were just for half a day? For half a day, that day.

Speaker 3 That day. I mean, I called one of the producers ahead of time and said, I only see like seven little sprouts growing out of the snow.
Do you remember that promo?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I'm like, does this mean what I think it means?

Speaker 3 And she was like, well, we're trying to decide. And then I never heard anything until I saw the promo image.
And I'm like, gosh, dang it. But you know what? Half a day was ruined.

Speaker 3 And then I bounced back. Have there been

Speaker 2 any conversations since then about the possibility of you getting a snowflake or what their expectations are?

Speaker 2 Or is that just kind of a, you don't ask, they don't tell, and someday you're going to find out if it happens? Like, how does that all work? Probably the latter.

Speaker 3 Okay. I like don't, and I don't care enough to,

Speaker 3 I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't know. Is it something that one pursues? I, I, you know, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how this works. I'm going to BravoCon for the first time.

Speaker 3 I just am wide-eyed and bushy-tailed and happy to be here. That's really the truth of it.
I just, I'm so grateful.

Speaker 4 You were friends with Heather, right? That is how you ended up on the show.

Speaker 3 We have a mutual friend, Angie Harrington.

Speaker 3 And so Heather and I met a few times at parties. And yeah, I mean, she's just, she's a doll.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, I love Angie H, by the way. You do? I do.

Speaker 3 I mean, what's not to love? She's the perfect human.

Speaker 4 Is she the ex-wife of Brett, who's now on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Demi's husband? Yep.

Speaker 2 That's right. Wait, whoa, huh? You didn't know that? Ex-wife of Brett.
Yep.

Speaker 4 Demi's husband, Brett.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Was married to Angie. Yes.

Speaker 4 Yes. Was married to Angie.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So what are your thoughts

Speaker 2 on Brett?

Speaker 3 I don't at all.

Speaker 3 I see him at the gym.

Speaker 2 You do? From afar.

Speaker 4 Does he know that you're best friends with Angie?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I don't think I'm even a thought in his head. You know what I mean? I don't even think he would recognize me.
I don't know, but he's a handsome man.

Speaker 2 and she has really great things to say about him so that's that's nice that's important and it's classy and he's a good deck let's table housewives for a hot minute because this is a going deeper episode and i love it and we really want to get to know you oh um i think there's a lot of fans out there who you know like fan theories which bravo loves is like who is brittany baby man yeah like are you know the the singing the performer in you yeah it's just like i'm

Speaker 2 I'm very fascinated with who you are and just a little bit about you and both the highs and the lows. So yeah.

Speaker 2 That's kind of if you're okay with that. I'd love to start from when you were born.
I'm just going to know.

Speaker 3 No, absolutely. I appreciate that.
It's nice because I feel like the world knows a very surface level version of me right now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, are you the smartest person in the world? Are you? Am I dumb as a? Are you dumb as a doorna?

Speaker 2 Like, we, we don't know. We're here to find

Speaker 2 out. Are you? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 I mean, listen, we're not here to judge your intelligence.

Speaker 2 Is it multiple choice?

Speaker 4 Is it need multiple choice and need everything else you love?

Speaker 2 No, but even right now, like here is a sense of humor that you obviously are showcasing. That's what I love about this show.
I think

Speaker 2 someone who knows what it's like to come from the reality TV space, I think characters often get siloed. Yeah.
But like this is an opportunity to see

Speaker 2 like the real, the whole person, the real person. And so I'm excited to have you here.
I love it. Have you always been from Salt Lake City? Is that?

Speaker 3 No, I was born in Provo and then raised in California. So San Diego, then Sacramento.
Then I came to BYU to go to school and then just sort of stayed.

Speaker 2 And Provo, from my Mormon wives' involvement, is my understanding is like the Mormon capital of the Vatican, basically. Okay.
That's where the term.

Speaker 3 I'm really like Salt Lake is.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 But Provo is the hub. Provo is the hub.
I don't know. Maybe it's BYU.
I'm not sure. But are you more Mormons per capita?

Speaker 2 Where are you? Your square block. Where are you in the,

Speaker 2 not to sound like corny, but like, what's your relationship with your faith these days? Or like, how, how does that work? Because obviously, I think so many people, I think what makes

Speaker 2 Salt Lake City housewives and obviously Mormon wives.

Speaker 2 the fascination with the religion and religion in general, I think a lot of people are very fascinated with. And I think as a culture, we've always had this

Speaker 2 fascination with the Mormon religion. And I think on the show,

Speaker 2 you kind of go back and forth between like, is Brittany religious? Like, is it not? So I'm curious, like, what is your relationship with your religion these days? And I guess, where did it start?

Speaker 2 And kind of what is kind of, what does all that background look like for you?

Speaker 3 This is a really good personal question.

Speaker 3 I appreciate the question. I don't usually get asked that very often, but it's, I've had a complicated relationship with religion.
I grew up super, super LDS in the perfect family.

Speaker 3 I mean, my mom and dad were literally like perfect human beings should be taken right up into heaven.

Speaker 3 I, you know, five brothers and sisters, not half of your lot, but we all sang and danced together and grew up. And my mom conduct orchestras and put on plays.

Speaker 3 And I mean, we were very quintessential, the perfect kind of Osmond-esque family. And then I met someone at BYU, ironically.
We were in a touring group together called the Young Ambassadors. And

Speaker 3 he was an atheist. And it completely clashed with my

Speaker 3 whole existence, right?

Speaker 3 But then I, he gave me this book. We were in Japan living.
I was working for Disney, Disney, Tokyo. He gave me this book called The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan.

Speaker 3 Blew my ever-loving mind. Now, mind you, I'm like a science wannabe.
I like would love to,

Speaker 3 I don't know. It's just in my free time.
I love science and I'm really passionate about it. And this book was, so it already resonated with me.

Speaker 3 It was kind of confirmation bias for me, but it just, it changed my whole life. It changed my whole paradigm.
I had a complete paradigm shift.

Speaker 2 What was the book about?

Speaker 3 Basically critical thinking skills 101 that I feel like, and I'm rereading it right now too, just because I want to read the book that changed my life, but just how to look at the world critically and how to, how to decipher between pseudoscience and real science.

Speaker 2 And so almost just like to ask more questions. Cause like, you know, I grew up very Catholic.
I went to church every Sunday into my 30s.

Speaker 2 There was a point in my life where I just like, I was comfortable asking questions that maybe earlier in my life I was less comfortable with. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, why is this? Why do we believe that? Why do I believe this? A lot of being Mormon and being Catholic is just to like, because then's the rules.

Speaker 3 And you compartmentalize what you don't understand. You just put it on the shelf.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did reading that book change your relationship with your parents at all?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 It did. My, my mom was just, I mean, she probably died that day, you know? I mean, that poor, that poor lady, I put her through hell.
But

Speaker 3 anyway, so I remember I was three-quarters of the way through the book. I'm sitting on the carpet, ready to come out as Jasmine, a whole new world, you know, like sing with Aladdin.

Speaker 3 And I just had this like thought that hit me. Oh my gosh, I just saw the universe in a completely different way from like, it was almost like taking the red pill in the matrix or something.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Is that what it is? The red or the blue? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 Either way, I think they call it a red pill.

Speaker 3 Seeing the zeros and ones, you know, just seeing everything for what it is. My ex removed our names from the records, killed my mom, poor.

Speaker 2 What does that mean for the people who don't know?

Speaker 3 You have to, you have to resign. You have to send a resignation letter to have your name taken off the records.
Now, it wasn't. What are the records? The records, like the church records.

Speaker 3 Like you get baptized, you're officially on the records. You're in the book.

Speaker 2 You're in the good book. You're in the good book.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And as long as you keep your covenants, like you obey the rules and stuff, then you, you know, whatever, whatever.

Speaker 2 You obey the rules or publicly celebrate the rules.

Speaker 3 Now you're really getting, yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I feel like.

Speaker 3 You're getting to the meat and bones of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like a lot of them are religious folk. And I, you know, again, very familiar.
And yeah, some of them, it's more just how they present versus how they live behind closed doors.

Speaker 2 But you were, you were publicly more like take me off your list. Well, it wasn't my idea.

Speaker 3 And it kind of broke my heart. It sent me into labor.
Actually, when we got the letter back from the church saying you've officially been removed, I was.

Speaker 2 Did she get Tell Don?

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no, no. Like this was, this was voluntary.
But I like, it wasn't, I knew it was going to kill my mom. And there was some part of me deep down.

Speaker 3 There is an arc to this story that somewhere deep down, I just felt like it was wrong to do that. It was wrong.

Speaker 2 Broke my heart.

Speaker 3 Right then I went into labor. Like my water broke right when I opened the letter and read that.
I know that sounds dramatic and in true Britney fashion. Of course, it happens that way.

Speaker 3 Anyway, long story short. So two years ago, my mom moved in with me.
And my mom and dad sold their house in California.

Speaker 3 moved in with me so that I could help take my mom to Huntsman Cancer Institute, which is it, you know, in Salt Lake City. I took care of her until she died.

Speaker 3 And her dying wish was literally that I get re-baptized. So I did.
I got re-baptized. And honestly, it's been so beautiful.
So I'm, I'm,

Speaker 3 it was 23.

Speaker 3 Okay. So a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 It's prior to you coming on the show. Oh, yeah.
Okay. And how has that changed?

Speaker 2 I guess your behavior? Like, do you... It hasn't.
Okay, it hasn't. Okay.

Speaker 3 It hasn't become.

Speaker 2 Is that a symbolic gesture.

Speaker 3 No, I, well, no, I mean, it's kind of like exactly what I needed to do. It's, I've come full circle, just like my mom predicted I would.

Speaker 3 And, you know, my beliefs are a little bit more general now than they were like specific doctrinal beliefs.

Speaker 3 But I told my mom, listen, if I can go in there, you have a bishop that sort of makes the decisions and then a stake president, which is like another step.

Speaker 3 They make the decision whether or not I could be re-baptized. I said, mom, if I go in there and I'm exactly who I am and I tell them exactly how I believe and they still want me back, then I'll do it.

Speaker 3 But otherwise, I'm not going to lie to get what I want. It's not worth it.
And I'm so sorry. So I went in, told the bishop everything, just like, I do believe in this.
I don't believe in that.

Speaker 3 And he's like, welcome home. So literally, it was, it was beautiful.
And my, it made my mom die peacefully.

Speaker 4 So you were married

Speaker 4 to this atheist you met at BYU.

Speaker 2 Yes. Are you married? That's the one you married? Okay.

Speaker 3 Wow. Had two children.

Speaker 4 What was your parents' response to you marrying an atheist? Was that an issue?

Speaker 3 Oh, it was such an issue.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 3 It was like the tale of two cities. It was like Romeo and Juliet.
It was really horrible. And yes, he is.
And my kids kind of landed agnostic, somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 3 Like, not atheism, because to me, I feel like that's dogma as well. But like somewhere in between is how long were you guys married for? We were together for 21 years.
Wow.

Speaker 3 can you talk about why you got a divorce it's so public in like in Utah like why Jay and Brittany got a divorce everyone knew honestly before I knew so if you can if you can just sort of surmise what that means like

Speaker 3 I'll leave it at that I'll leave it at that but eventually I I had to move on how many years ago was that oh gosh that was 20 2013 and we'll get into Jared but like have you been

Speaker 2 essentially like a single woman since then? No, I got remarried. Okay, you did.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Tell us about that.

Speaker 3 I, you know, I, there's a big legal battle going on right now. And I can't really speak to that.
But someday, I promise you, I will sit right back in here and tell all. Brittany tells all.

Speaker 3 It's going to start with ding, ding, ding. I have an announcement.
Yeah. I can talk about it.

Speaker 2 And again, like, we're not necessarily having you on to just like talk shit about exes, but more just about like, I'm curious, just like your perspective of getting divorced is traumatic and then getting remarried.

Speaker 2 And I guess I'm just more like, maybe a better question is like, when you left that second marriage, what was your perspective on love and dating?

Speaker 2 And I guess, how did you approach your love life from that point forward?

Speaker 3 Oh, I had no need for love at that point. I was so over it.
I was just like, I will never get married again. Never.
I will never trust anyone again.

Speaker 3 But I have a fantastic father and I have incredible brothers and uncles and so on and so forth. So there's somewhere deep down inside of me that still trusts that it can happen.

Speaker 3 There are good guys out there.

Speaker 2 I definitely think we can have bad pickers.

Speaker 3 That's a kind way of saying it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, we all, we all have.

Speaker 2 You know, we've all, we've all had bad pickers. Some people get better at it than others.

Speaker 2 And then sometimes, you know, love is, you know, just like anything else,

Speaker 2 a little luck, you know, or bad luck.

Speaker 2 But I am curious from your perspective, regardless of what your exes did and how, regardless of how you may have been wrong from your perspective, I am curious, like, where do you feel like you needed to make improvements in your love life?

Speaker 2 And why do you think if you were being like self-critical,

Speaker 2 why do you feel like your love life at times has disappointed you?

Speaker 3 You know, it's, it's all me. I wouldn't blame them at all.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yes, of course, there's things that are out of your control, one's control, but I think if you don't take responsibility for every single thing that happens to you, you're doing yourself a disservice.

Speaker 3 So I take responsibility for all of it.

Speaker 3 And I know that sounds really vague, but to be specific, I

Speaker 3 needed a stronger backbone. I have a tendency to get in a relationship and then lose myself, like forget even who I am and what makes me happy.

Speaker 3 Like I'm the, I'm the, not the pleaser, but I'm definitely a team player to the point where it's unhealthy. Like I would way rather them succeed and then just hope that they reciprocate.

Speaker 3 And that's the part that's really hard.

Speaker 4 Has that been hard for you to recognize knowing that you have two daughters who look at you as a role model?

Speaker 3 It's the worst. I like, I hope so badly that they don't make the same mistakes.
And we've talked about it a lot. And I think that they've got a really good head on their shoulders, both of them.

Speaker 4 Yeah. We obviously we watch, you know, in Raw Hoff of Salt Lake City, kind of you talk a little bit about your relationship with your girls.
What is it like today?

Speaker 3 I'm not sure how much I can give away. Okay.

Speaker 3 But I cannot wait to answer that question. Just surface level, it's so much better.
Like, and for me, all is right with the world now.

Speaker 3 Like, there's hardly anything that can go wrong for me now with my babies. Now that I have my babies, I just, that's all I need.
I'm done.

Speaker 4 Do you think this show misunderstood your relationship with your daughters?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but it's easy to do. I don't blame people.
I know that people, if they only know what they know from the show, then of course they're going to think exactly what they're going to think.

Speaker 3 And I don't, I would think the same thing. I would think the exact same thing.
If I knew only about me, what people know. It's fine.
I just hope that everyone gets to see.

Speaker 3 the arc, you know,

Speaker 3 you just, you just hope for that because I don't have any control.

Speaker 2 Right. Are you able to give us context in terms of why there's things you can't speak on?

Speaker 2 Just because, like, you know, I think when it comes to your daughters, I think, you know, especially even all your fans, like it's always a, it's a sad or it's a bummer just to see anyone at disconnect with their parents.

Speaker 2 And obviously there could be so many variables at what's at play and things like that.

Speaker 2 But again, what was at least what's is presented on the show is like the idea that you have prioritized your love life or your relationships over your relationship with your kids.

Speaker 2 And I do think that is something that, quite honestly, I think a lot of kids have felt when it comes to parents who have struggled with relationships. And I see both sides, right?

Speaker 2 Like, I think, you know, with Nellie and I in our relationship, and we have a young daughter. You guys are a beautiful couple.
Well, thank you. I mean,

Speaker 2 and you know, knock on wood or whatever, but we, you know, we work really hard to keep our relationship going. And as soon as like River entered into our life,

Speaker 2 the idea that we would have to shift. Even when parents are like, have this incredible co-parenting relationship.
Even that I have such empathy for because

Speaker 2 we are, you know, so in love with our daughter and the quality time that we have. I do.
I have incredible empathy. So to that regard, for the people who have had a tough luck in their relationship,

Speaker 2 how have you managed that? Because

Speaker 2 everyone is deserving to find their person and find love. But once kids are in play, I think there's a, there's a certain level of kids who are like, hey, I need my parent.
I need you to step up.

Speaker 2 And I think it can be a very weird situation when the parent-child relationship is kind of complicated, where a kid feels like, almost in a way, like

Speaker 2 you had a shot at love. Yeah.
And how have you managed that? From what part, whatever you can share.

Speaker 3 I, there is no worse pain than what happened to my little family.

Speaker 3 Like I, I, I wanted the privilege of what you guys have and what your parents have and what my parents had and what all my siblings, I wanted that.

Speaker 3 And I just saw that as being the best way to rear a child. It is.
I'm sorry, but I just two parents of any gender, of any whatever, it just two parents where you can bounce ideas off of each other.

Speaker 3 You can tag team. You can give different kinds of discipline and different kinds of love.
And it's, you know, I mean, there's nothing better. And I wanted a partner to co-parent with me.

Speaker 3 I wanted that perfect family that I felt like I deserved. I was such a good mom.
I was such a good wife. I didn't see it coming, what came.

Speaker 3 And so anyway, I just, I felt like I needed to complete that happy family bubble. So it was more out of, interestingly, a need for to have a parent to help raise my kids.

Speaker 3 And when I got married the second time, I was like, I thought that I had found it. I'm like, this is finally the family that I've always wanted.

Speaker 3 You know, just like two parents in it together, raising kids together, his kids, my kids. I thought that I had found it.
And then things went horribly wrong.

Speaker 3 It, whatever happened estranged my daughters from me.

Speaker 3 And I've never experienced more hell in my entire life. There's no.
pain that's greater than that.

Speaker 3 So, I mean, and not only my pain just personally, but like the pain, like you feel your daughter's pain. Yeah.
Her pain is your pain. Her pain is, you take it on.

Speaker 3 I mean, they're like a little mini extension of yourself. Totally.
Like you're wearing your heart on the outside of your body. Yep.
That is the best quote I've ever heard because I knew

Speaker 3 just intrinsically, instinctively, what they were going through. And I felt powerless to stop it.

Speaker 4 Was your second husband

Speaker 4 hurting your children in any way?

Speaker 3 That I can't speak to.

Speaker 3 But maybe someday I can.

Speaker 4 I'm really sorry.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was really bad.

Speaker 3 But there's no crying in vile files.

Speaker 2 There's no crying in vile files.

Speaker 4 Rebuilding your relationship with your daughters. Yeah.
What has that journey looked like? You know, Nick mentioned my mom. My parents got divorced when I was very young.

Speaker 4 She quickly got remarried. And it's a, it's a tough journey.
You know, it's, it's, it's, it takes a lot of work to go through. So how have you started to rebuild that with your girls?

Speaker 3 Can I ask how old you were when your parents got divorced?

Speaker 4 I was three.

Speaker 2 They were three. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like it affected your ability to connect or your attachment style?

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Because that's something that I'm so grateful for.

Speaker 3 I mean, from what I'm learning,

Speaker 3 it looks like the formidable years are ones that you, you form the attachment style you're going to use for the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 So I wasn't able to parent them in their teenage years,

Speaker 3 but I had already been a stay-at-home mom for the first 12 years of their life, you know, more than a decade. Thank heavens, because since we've reconnected.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's a lot to still work through. They're both in counseling as they should be.
And it's, it's just really helped sort of bounce back.

Speaker 3 I don't, I hope, I'm hoping that their attachment style isn't irreparably damaged.

Speaker 2 Well, I think people are incredibly resilient. And sadly, I think a lot of people have dealt with some terrible, terrible things.
Some people aren't resilient, though.

Speaker 3 Some people carry things with them the whole life.

Speaker 4 It seems like you are. And it seems like that's something that you instilled in your girls.

Speaker 3 I hope so.

Speaker 3 I hope that's true.

Speaker 2 I do think there's a difference between having to carry something your whole life and having, you know, because I don't think, you know, because it's like a, it's a scar.

Speaker 2 A scar leaves a mark, but it also can heal. Yeah.
And depending on what, how big the scar is or how big this wound is, it certainly might take a longer time for things to heal.

Speaker 2 And it may be something that you always have to work on, right? And I think, I think there's a difference between, yeah, I think resiliency specifically is that

Speaker 2 ability to work through it, manage it.

Speaker 2 And again, it may never go away. It may be something that pops up.
It doesn't mean that in the in-between, I think most people are capable if they want to be, can be incredibly resilient.

Speaker 2 And I think, you know, everyone has a story. You know, everyone has a moment of pain or

Speaker 2 several stories where they've really been traumatized in young adult life or as children and things like that.

Speaker 2 But I do think people are and can be incredibly resilient, especially if they're lucky enough to find a support system, people who love them,

Speaker 2 have a family and things like that. See, I want your life.

Speaker 2 Honestly, well, come to think of it.

Speaker 3 I'm literally having this epiphany right now that Olivia was younger by four years when everything started to go sideways. And she, by contrast, is a lot.
more triggered, more easily triggered.

Speaker 3 I mean, one little offense, to me, one little offense. To her, it's like a nuclear bomb went off.
Like, and then, and then the gravitational pull, it just kind of warps space and time.

Speaker 3 And it becomes a, I mean, to me, again, this is my perspective, not hers, but to me, it becomes this warped sense of reality of what actually happened.

Speaker 3 And I feel like she's probably dealing with a lot more trauma and maybe has less. of, you know, secure attachment style even.
I don't know, but I just thought of that just now.

Speaker 4 Honestly, just to give like advice to moms out there, like, how do you, when she is triggered, like, how, how do you help?

Speaker 2 Oh, I haven't figured that out yet.

Speaker 3 I mean, my instinct is to chase after her. Yeah.
You know what I mean? And just not give up and like keep showing up. I mean, I'll show up at her work.
I'll show up at her business. I'll show up.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And where I'm not, clearly not wanted because she's clearly not ready.
But I don't know. It's that's, I haven't figured that out yet.
Yeah. Just keep trying, I guess.
Oh, that's not true.

Speaker 3 Actually, a counselor did give me some really good advice. Just keep reaching out in non-invasive ways.
So don't stalk your children like I'm

Speaker 2 learning to do. Learning to respect their boundaries.

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Speaker 2 How did you meet Jared?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 3 we met. I was working at the desk.
Doot to do. My mom had just passed away a couple of months.
I was not interested in dating whatsoever. So over it.

Speaker 2 I get this phone call out of the blue, ring, ring.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, oh, hey. And he's like, hi, this is Jared Osmond.
Is this Brittany Bateman?

Speaker 2 I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm like, oh my gosh, how are you doing? I thought it was actually his cousin who I've sung with before.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, oh, how are you doing?

Speaker 3 Oh, my gosh, it's been a long time. And he's like, I'm not doing well, actually.

Speaker 2 I was like, all right

Speaker 3 like wait what no one answers like that no one says that so he goes he proceeds to tell me that his at the time fiancé is having an affair with my husband oh which you know i had already filed divorce papers it wasn't like the end of the world for me for my number two yes that's how you met him that's how we met He called me up out of the blue, cold called me to tell me that.

Speaker 2 Do people know? I feel like I don't know this. Yeah, that is crazy.

Speaker 3 That's literally how we met. I'd never seen him before in my life.
Yeah, I just got this call. I was like, well, I'll never forget it.
I'll never forget the paralyzing feeling of like,

Speaker 3 who is this? I'm not, you know what I mean? And then.

Speaker 2 And he was just like, my wife is sleeping with your husband.

Speaker 3 Fiance. But yes.

Speaker 4 And what was your response? Were you like, yeah, I know? Or were you like, I was

Speaker 2 honestly. I know.

Speaker 3 I had no idea. I wasn't tracking.
At this point, I had a protective order and I wasn't even trying to think about a certain someone that shall not be named.

Speaker 3 But I felt bad for him because he was clearly distraught and for me yeah of course you don't stop loving someone instantly so yeah it hurt a little bit not like it did jared so that's how i met the jared of it all wow and then we proceeded to talk on the phone for the following three weeks straight like hours and hours so you kind of connected over right over the phone didn't see each other never even looked up a picture of him But did you know he was from, I mean, clearly from the Osmond family with his last name?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Is everyone everyone with the last name Osmond related to that family?

Speaker 2 Or are there, okay, there's not like

Speaker 2 a Smith?

Speaker 3 I haven't met one. Okay.
I don't think it's like a come across the plains type of name. I mean, I don't know.
I can be wrong. Okay.
I don't know what their family origin is.

Speaker 2 So when did the first date happen? Who asked who?

Speaker 3 So we ended up at, so we have some good mutual friends, and we started this thing called Movie Night Church or church at the movie, or what do you call it? Church, movie night.

Speaker 2 Movie church. Movie church.

Speaker 3 Okay. We started this thing called movie church so every sunday night we go see the latest flick

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 we met like our friends kind of set us up so they told jared i was coming and they didn't tell me jared was coming so like kristen well my friend brings me outside to the crosswalk and there he is crossing that was the first time i'd ever seen him and i was like

Speaker 3 hot damn hard eyes all right yeah for real so then they set us up with a little love seat in the movie theater like put the armrest up and what was the movie.

Speaker 2 Were they only playing religious movies? Was it like the Ten Commandments?

Speaker 3 No, that's the irony of movie church. It's usually just like Paul Fiction.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's Paul Fiction. Okay.

Speaker 3 So, yeah. So that's how we met.
And then there were fireworks, didn't do anything. We're just sitting next to each other in the movie.

Speaker 3 Then he asked me out on a date, and that was my first date after being divorced.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 4 Where were you when he went on his social media and kind of said, you know you wouldn't be who you are without him you're a housewife because of him and right where where were you

Speaker 2 emotionally speaking or physically both you'd think i would remember exactly when and where i don't i just remember pacing the floors of my house screaming into the phone i cannot believe you said that and did this i cannot believe you did that i was so mad i guess what pushed him to take it to social media i think that i broke up with with him again oh that'll do it did you so yeah I'm curious just rewinding a bit mm-hmm like my perception and the fans is like this is your classic situationship kind of on again off again and when I say on again I'm not even sure if you guys are ever really like on on where there's like you were three times you were three times so you were officially so when did you first we were engaged three times you were engaged engaged three times yes okay when did you first just become boyfriend and girlfriend i mean we've become boyfriend and girlfriend several times.

Speaker 3 It just doesn't stick. It sort of just falls off into, in fact, I read about this, the avoidant attachment this morning.
I was reading about it.

Speaker 3 So I think that I'm no doctor, but I think that he's got avoidant attachment from childhood wounds. And that really affects his relationship style.

Speaker 3 So it's not, if, you know, everyone's a product of their environment and genetics, right?

Speaker 2 Was that his, that was his fiancé who

Speaker 2 cheated on him? Was, had he been married before? Yes. He has been.

Speaker 3 Married four kids, four beautiful children.

Speaker 2 And, you know, obviously he's a great-looking guy. He comes from a famous family.
He seems like a local celebrity. I wouldn't be surprised, you know, as we all do, have an ego and like some pride.

Speaker 2 So I think, obviously, I'm sure that relationship. falling apart affected him.
Do you, and then obviously you guys met right then and there. Right.
What, if any

Speaker 2 work

Speaker 2 has he done to heal from that experience to kind of process the pain that has X caused him going into this relationship with you?

Speaker 3 That's a fantastic question. I mean, he reads Eckhart Tolle, you know, be in the present.
Be

Speaker 2 there's no problems outside of it. The power of now.
Yeah, the power of now.

Speaker 3 He's reading that right now. Got me reading it.

Speaker 3 Let them by Mel Robbins. I think that, I mean, I do most of my learning actually from binge watching YouTube videos on therapy or just binge reading, you know, books.
I, I, I soak it in a lot better.

Speaker 3 Um, I think that's what he's doing right now. And I, I hope that it helps.

Speaker 2 Are Mormons into therapy? Yeah, they are. Okay.
Yeah. Does he, has he done any type of like he's not Mormon? He's not Mormon.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he left

Speaker 2 years ago. Does he, has he done any type of like therapy? Yeah, he has.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I, I'm not sure exactly what the hang-up is. I, I, I'm at the point now where I don't think our situationship is ever going to change.
And so I just want to love him right where he is and just

Speaker 3 protect my own heart.

Speaker 2 So why don't you, I mean, why don't you think you guys have been able to make it work?

Speaker 3 Either that

Speaker 3 he isn't able to attach. to another human being in the way that feels validating and supportive and loving and safe, or I'm not the one.
It's either or for me.

Speaker 3 And it's 50-50 as to, and it might be a combination of both. It might be somewhere in between, but I think it's,

Speaker 3 it's either one extreme or the other or in the 180, somewhere in there, somewhere on the spectrum.

Speaker 2 Did you ever confront the message that he posted and Ali asked about, did you ever confront him about that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was me screaming in the phone to him. That was literally,

Speaker 3 people started sending me messages and I was like, what? And I had him blocked at the time. so I think I think at some point I called him and he picked up and I was just like what were

Speaker 3 you thinking so he went on a podcast and took it all back and then some and hyped me up but I'm like you can't take that back it lives in infamy you know did he ever explain I mean you could take it back and say I shouldn't have said that I was wrong but I'm I would want to know like what was he thinking in the moment yeah that doesn't get the acoustic that doesn't get the reverb you know what I mean it doesn't get the the ripple has because I didn't know he'd been on that podcast yeah exactly what's that's what i'm saying

Speaker 4 do you think he would have done that if you hadn't have called him no but did he ever say why like what was his explanation i think he just feels unappreciated still to this day

Speaker 3 or like by the world both but at that moment from me and i don't i don't doubt that he actually

Speaker 3 believed

Speaker 2 all of that you think he still kind of believes it kind of yeah and and that his version in his head is

Speaker 2 heather only pitched you as a potential cast member because she knew you were dating me and i'm jared osmond no i i got the job without the jared at all

Speaker 2 what's his version i'm just like

Speaker 3 you said he believes but his version might actually

Speaker 3 i mean i have to give him credit where credit is due and he my daughters stopped they refused to film with me at that point because of the bronwin friend of it all did you guys hear about that?

Speaker 3 But that's, that's another subject. So my daughter, I had no, I had nothing going on.
I was grieving my mom, absolutely devastated, like torn over the Jared and fighting all these lawsuits.

Speaker 3 I was in really, a really bad place. And sort of, that's one thing that Jared is really good at that I appreciate endlessly is that he can pick up the pieces for me.
He's a really good best friend.

Speaker 3 He does make an incredible best friend.

Speaker 4 For instance, does he keep the pieces together or does he, is he the one who breaks the pieces?

Speaker 2 Well, it depends on what pieces, you know, the pieces that he's putting on. He's not a lot of people break, but he does his own.

Speaker 2 Yeah, break it.

Speaker 2 Depends on what the definition of is.

Speaker 2 Gotcha.

Speaker 2 Bill.

Speaker 3 So, yeah. So, anyway, he, like, for instance, I was talking to him on the way to the gate yesterday, and I shut up to the gate, and I was like, I think I'm missing my flight.

Speaker 2 I got to go.

Speaker 3 I'm missing my flight.

Speaker 2 So, naturally, this is a total, this is a total tangent.

Speaker 3 Naturally, I think that banging on the door is going to make a difference. You know, they've, they've closed the door.
So I'm banging on the door. What about me? I'm looking out the window.

Speaker 2 Hi.

Speaker 3 Anyway, Jared, I go over to the Delta center and they're like, sorry, there's one flight that gets you in tonight and it's $800.

Speaker 3 The whole same day change thing didn't work. And Jared gets on the diamond line because he's a million miler flyer, whatever.
And they change it immediately, just for me.

Speaker 3 And he's like, yeah, my girlfriend.

Speaker 3 He calls me his girlfriend sometimes. I, I, but so, I mean, he really.

Speaker 2 I mean, that is a very nice change. It is, I know, I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 That's the kind of stuff he does.

Speaker 2 He did not have to do that.

Speaker 3 He doesn't have to do any of the things he does. He helps my daughters.
He let her film in his car, stepping on his Mercedes back seat, holding a camera like a music video my daughter was filming.

Speaker 3 I mean, he's very kind and generous. And that's the part that he doesn't get known for.
He's not known for that, but he needs to be because he's extremely kind. And that's why we're still friends.

Speaker 2 He, he, well, thanks for telling that story because I think everyone deserves to, you know.

Speaker 3 And there's hundreds more. Yeah.
Like I have a hundred in the vault. I could talk for hours about how many things that he's done for me like that.
So back to your question. Did I, is any of that true?

Speaker 3 I think that's what you guys said in his mind.

Speaker 2 And to give him credit, I would say that he, he was an integral part of me being relevant on this show does that make sense so he doesn't you don't think from my perspective you're i'm a fan of you i'm a fan of you because like you say some silly things and and you're a goofball and you

Speaker 2 that is true and and uh you're funny whether you know it or not and sometimes we laugh with you and sometimes we laugh at you but you're you're you're you're interesting and like i i laugh when you're on my tv screen um and i'm not trying to be a dick to jared but like he's kind kind of a punchline being the famous cousin or whatever the fuck it is from a faint, yeah,

Speaker 2 but still. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so like for me, I would want to make my own path.
And it's kind of a bit of an eye roll when you're like famous for being related to someone who's famous.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And kind of the perception people have, or I have with him, I don't know, true.
Yeah. Maybe it's not fair, is that he's this kind of like, again, incredibly good-looking guy.
He's a babe.

Speaker 2 But he's really milked his height, his face, and his last name. And like, that's not something that most people are like inspired by.
And it kind of presents as a little douchey.

Speaker 2 And so it's, is it an interesting storyline you have? Sure. Yeah.
But if you and Jared are really done, and let's say next season or the remaining parts of this season,

Speaker 2 you take us on a date with you. I'm locked in and I don't care what his last name is.

Speaker 3 All right, that would actually be interesting. We are done, we're done, but we're still friends, and we still talk all the time.

Speaker 3 And then I block him on occasion, like he's like, He's blocked right now.

Speaker 2 Swear on the Bible.

Speaker 4 No, well, yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you know how many times I've sworn on the Bible?

Speaker 2 Don't I don't care.

Speaker 3 You don't know, so I'll tell you, like a hundred. Yeah, so let's tell you.

Speaker 4 What is the like power that he has over you?

Speaker 3 I think he's able no freaking. Are you digmatized?

Speaker 2 Are you digmatized?

Speaker 2 Well.

Speaker 2 No, I can't say that.

Speaker 3 My children are going to watch. My, yeah, my, yeah, my family's watching this probably.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay. So have you, this is how I feel.
In fact, I had a really good cry about it yesterday.

Speaker 3 Even though like having my baby is all is right with the world, there's still a part of you that longs for that companionship.

Speaker 3 You know, we're hardwired that way. We can't help it.
It's biology. So

Speaker 3 I had, have you seen that so you think you can dance gravity dance by Mia Michaels? And it was like 2009. It was like forever ago.
That's how I feel.

Speaker 3 It makes my eyes sting with tears just thinking about it.

Speaker 2 Usually people who have these types of relationship, it's often their first love. When you get your heartbroken, you're just like, I'll never get over this.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 from your perspective, it's incredibly true because you've never. gotten over heartbreak before right without talking shit about Jared.

Speaker 2 Clearly he has good qualities, but why have you been unable to, and I know you say you're done, but you recognize that like

Speaker 3 ask me tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Why at this stage in your life, having been what you've been through, why haven't you been able to get to that point, to have that self-awareness, everything you've experienced leading up to this point, to say,

Speaker 2 I'm aware of the good.

Speaker 2 I know the good that Jared brings, but the bad

Speaker 2 will never change. And this is who this man is.

Speaker 3 That's the question of all questions. That's the golden question.
If I knew the answer to that, I would be.

Speaker 2 But what if the answer is just like you have to just, you, you have to just do it? You have to, like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Easier said than done. So picture yourself sleeping and you're, you know, you think that you're okay, everything's blocked, and there's a tap on your window.
Do you open the window?

Speaker 3 Do you not open the window?

Speaker 2 You don't open the window.

Speaker 3 I have always to this point, though, opened the window, and I don't know why. Literally and figuratively.
I don't, that's why this video resonates with me because I don't understand that part of me.

Speaker 2 Well, you need to stop with those videos because the videos are just

Speaker 2 well, it's the, it's, I would imagine there's a party that's a bit of a hopeless and romantic. Yeah, definitely.
And those videos

Speaker 2 tell a story of possibility and hope and excuse making.

Speaker 4 I guess it's like he is good at showing up when he wants to, but when he doesn't want to, does he still show up?

Speaker 3 Yes and no. Like he did not want to do this show with me.
He didn't want to do it.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I bought that.

Speaker 2 I believe he told you that. I believe he acted out.
I believe he was difficult to work with, but I

Speaker 2 that's a good one. No one put a gun to his head.

Speaker 4 How does he feel about the women? I mean, talking about him.

Speaker 3 He is, yeah, that's the hardest part for him.

Speaker 2 He's horrible.

Speaker 3 Oh, he takes everything to heart. Like, I'm able to sort of just let it like roll right off.
And like, I mean, Bronwa says she doesn't want to sleep in a sleeping bag next to me.

Speaker 3 I'm like, ha ha ha, that was actually kind of clever and funny. He, on the other hand, he takes everything personally, is very, very sensitive.

Speaker 4 Does he take it out on you when he watches the episodes?

Speaker 3 I just get to hear about it a lot. Yeah.
He's, he's very, very kind to me. I just hear how much he hates it.

Speaker 3 Like, for instance, you know, like, he's so hurt by the fact that Mary said that he was sliding into her DMs and that she sort of reinforced that story as if it was something salacious.

Speaker 3 And, like, when really, I mean, I was sitting next to him when he was texting her, like, oh, you did such a great job. You know, you're such a woman of God.
And I felt the spirit.

Speaker 3 You know, it was something like, it wasn't like, hey, baby.

Speaker 2 But yeah,

Speaker 2 he's just really, really hurt by that.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, dude, chill out. It's just a show.

Speaker 2 It's just, just just chill but he doesn't have the ability to do that well he does he unfortunately gives them ammunition because he can't you know it's the he can't control himself he can you both you both can you're both you just choose not to and I don't know why I really don't know yet you don't want to I mean at some point you just like I do want to I do want to that's that's maybe I do want to.

Speaker 2 Should we get into the season?

Speaker 2 Can you tell the the Bronwyn thing? You said, oh, what is that? Can you, what?

Speaker 3 Oh, in episode one, Bronwyn was just saying in confessional that, you know, like,

Speaker 3 I don't know, the worst part about it is sleeping in a sleeping bag next to me or something like that.

Speaker 4 No, the friend of thing that you're talking about.

Speaker 2 Oh, the daughters thing. Oh, gosh.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was dicey. I mean, my daughters, we were already touch and go at that point, but one of them had agreed to film and like put our relationship out there.

Speaker 3 And we proceeded to film together and come together. And the next thing I know, like I'm just, I'm ghosted out of nowhere.
Well, I didn't know why.

Speaker 3 Fast forward three months, three and a half months later, and we're done filming. It's during the summer and they neither one will talk to me.
My sister had the opportunity to sit.

Speaker 3 my older daughter down and say, why will you not talk to your mom? And if you don't tell me, just tell her, talk to her.

Speaker 3 And the next thing I i know i'm getting a text from my older daughter and wanting to talk and

Speaker 3 the like the floodgates open and it's been great ever since and since then i've learned that supposedly again bronwen and i are kind of buddies so i'm just i'm trying to tread lightly i don't want to but this is a story that got brought up at the reunion so i'll just retell it that i guess bron my daughter's nanny for bronwin's two best friends who are sisters and supposedly bronwin told them that told my daughters, your mom is saying really crappy, horrible things about you on the show, and I wouldn't go anywhere near.

Speaker 3 And so that's why they ghosted me. Yeah.
And they told me this independent.

Speaker 3 They told me both their versions of the same exact story, but supposedly they listed all these things that supposedly Bronwyn had told

Speaker 3 her Bronwyn's friends. got to my daughters.
They ghosted me.

Speaker 2 I mean, have you confronted Bronwyn about that?

Speaker 3 Not since, not since the reunion. I just kind of let it go because she denied it all and it just kind of fell flat.

Speaker 2 I'm, I liked about it. Is she calling your daughters liars?

Speaker 3 I don't know. That's a good question.
Well, yeah, I don't know if I can say this.

Speaker 3 She basically said it was a miscommunication

Speaker 3 between her and the friends.

Speaker 2 Interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So, I mean, who I maybe will never know. But that's what caused them to ghost me.

Speaker 3 Now, like, Bronwyn got all butthurt at the reunion saying, oh, what, you're blaming me for your daughter's really, no, I'm like, no, I'm blaming you for the three months that neither of them would talk to me.

Speaker 3 The rest is on me, but,

Speaker 3 you know, and that was when I was stalking at the time. I was literally so confused and hurt that I was like showing up to my daughter's work.
She nannies.

Speaker 3 And I was like knocking on the door and no one answered. So I went in and like looked around, found her hiding up in a bedroom upstairs with her nanny children.
I mean, I was desperate.

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm, you know, mom first, I

Speaker 3 turned into crazy mom.

Speaker 2 So what you had to do. Who of your cast do you find to be the same on camera as off camera? Ooh.

Speaker 2 Or how would you rate them?

Speaker 3 Ha ha, that's such a good question. Mary.
Mary's the same.

Speaker 3 She doesn't like you on camera. She doesn't like you off camera.

Speaker 3 And luckily, I think she's starting to like me off camera maybe maybe maybe maybe just a wee bit her her comments about me are getting a little less caustic and lately

Speaker 2 is she someone who you like you can't help but want her to like yes yeah 100

Speaker 3 i mean who doesn't want the mary cosby stamp of approval right you know it's so hard to get you know it's so hard to come by that you're just like yeah that's the golden ticket i want the golden ticket Angie's very, very different off camera.

Speaker 3 She's the most different off camera.

Speaker 2 Different how?

Speaker 3 Different, and she's so nice off camera.

Speaker 3 And Heather Whitney, same. They're the same off and on.
They're just kind souls on and off. They are who they are.

Speaker 3 Who else is there?

Speaker 2 Lisa Meredith.

Speaker 3 Bromwyn, let's go.

Speaker 2 Let's skip that.

Speaker 3 I'm skipping right over them. The Twin Towers.
Bromwyn is just so witty. She's so quick.
Her brain, her her synapses fire so quickly. So I just have to respect her sharp wit.

Speaker 3 And I don't take anything she says personally.

Speaker 2 To me, that's a sign of maturity and strength and self-awareness.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Wow.
I mean, yeah. That's kind.
When you're an adult and you just let every little personal jab.

Speaker 2 Especially if you're a public figure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I just think there's a level of, that's why I'm often critical of Lisa where it's just like, you know, like pick, you know, are you going to be messy and problematic? Yeah. And not self-aware.

Speaker 2 It's like. And perfect.
You know, and yeah, while you're also perfect, it's a celebrity. Don't get me started.

Speaker 3 I probably need to bite my tongue at this point, bro.

Speaker 2 Well, we'd rather you know. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 But yeah, I mean, you've been friends with Lisa.

Speaker 3 Really, really, really good friends.

Speaker 2 You know, you, you, you had her back.

Speaker 2 Season one, episode one, rather, when you were, you were.

Speaker 3 I was fiery.

Speaker 2 I was put that steak in the the ground and said, I am Lisa's mouthpiece when she's not here.

Speaker 3 I did. I took on that mantle and then I got on the D list.

Speaker 2 You got on the D list. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 4 So. Is that easy to do for Lisa? Like,

Speaker 3 I think Lisa gets, I think Lisa has a really tender heart. Like, from what I know of Lisa, she, she

Speaker 3 can be wounded quite easily.

Speaker 2 That's not surprising.

Speaker 3 I mean, she really does have a tender heart underneath it. And I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's just more like, to me, it's just like, yeah, I guess, and that's where my criticism of Jared comes in, where it's just like, of anyone, I mean, unless you're a bad person or like a real narcissist, and I don't think, you know, we all have narcissistic qualities, but like

Speaker 2 real, like

Speaker 2 unless you're that person,

Speaker 2 you know, anyone can, everyone's nice when their

Speaker 2 emotional needs are being met and they're being attended to

Speaker 2 and they're the center of attention or their expectations are being met by person.

Speaker 2 That's like literally the bare minimum. It's like, how do people show up for you when they're not having a good day? Right.
When

Speaker 2 they always said that, you know, and when they are still frustrated at you, but see the bigger picture and

Speaker 2 show up for you when there's nothing in it for them other than saying, what do you need? I'm here. Well said.
Well said. Lisa doesn't strike me as that person.
And Lisa strikes me.

Speaker 2 And again, just her character. Never met her in person.

Speaker 3 Oh, that was, I was going to ask. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 4 This is all based off of what we've seen.

Speaker 2 Oh, Soli TV. So Total

Speaker 2 might be. You can tell us if we're wrong.

Speaker 2 But she, yeah, it's starting to squirm. She seems like she, you know, uses people.
She's developing a tick.

Speaker 2 And she's, you know, I think she's very smart.

Speaker 2 and very calculated and and she knows how to lure you in and if and she makes it kind of very clear that if you you know if you're loyal to me and you do kind of what i say kiss the ring you you know i will have your back-ish um and if you're you're not oh gosh i hope i don't get in trouble for saying this you're not totally far off okay and that's all i'm that's all i can say about that

Speaker 3 but i we go on self-preservation we go on a journey that um

Speaker 2 surprised me really and hurt hurt a lot So as you stand today, you're a little hurt by where you think Stan was. Very hurt.

Speaker 3 Because I loved her. I loved her like a sister.
Like I really did.

Speaker 4 Is there any part of you that not scared of Lisa in a sense of like...

Speaker 3 Scared of Lisa. That's fair.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you scared of Lisa?

Speaker 3 I used to be.

Speaker 2 Because do you think like she's retaliatory? Like, I mean.

Speaker 2 I mean, she has been known to, if, you know.

Speaker 3 I don't have anything you could retaliate with because everything about me is already out there.

Speaker 3 Every skeleton I've She's also been known to make things up

Speaker 2 True, true. I mean

Speaker 2 Bravo is famous for its rumors and its bloggers spreading rumors

Speaker 2 and rumors have often been weaponized by many housewives and people in the Bravo sphere and Lisa is someone who seems to have a reputation of using those rumors and then putting them out there.

Speaker 4 I mean, we just watched in, you know, with Suitman with Angie, you know, so we should.

Speaker 3 True. Well, I might have a Sup Man or two coming up.

Speaker 2 Under the guise of like, well, all I'm doing is talking about a rumor. I'm here.

Speaker 2 Even I'm here to protect you. I mean,

Speaker 2 we didn't mention the episode, but we were just watching last week the reunion for Miami Housewives.

Speaker 2 And I forgot who it was. Was it Marisol?

Speaker 2 And Stephanie was like, you know, after reflecting on our relationship, you have sent me all these bad articles and all this like shit talking about me. And

Speaker 2 from personal experience in the world that I used to be in, that you operate in now, to me, I think that is a very sophisticated emotional abusive tactic because of the world and how much fear we have with our fans.

Speaker 2 And so for someone to let you know,

Speaker 2 here's what nobody you should care about is saying about you. And someone in that world, like Marisol, for example, I know she knows better.

Speaker 2 I know she knows what it's, I, because like, she knows what it's like to be a housewife.

Speaker 2 And she knows, and anyone in reality TV, I know from personal experience, you do not want people sending you your bad press. Right.

Speaker 2 It's things like that. You know, so it's just like, yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think that there may or may not have been some retaliation that already happened.

Speaker 3 in real time as we were filming that I can't really speak to because it involves a lawsuit of my own that I think splatted out there right when we started to get a little dicey in front of the camera.

Speaker 3 So that, I mean, that's, I think that's all I can say. And I'm telling you, like everything about me that

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 3 at all salacious or interesting is already out there. Although I am kind of worried about rumors, but really should I be? I don't know.
I just.

Speaker 2 Well, I guess without spoiling any rumors that might come out,

Speaker 2 are any of the rumors that may be talked about true?

Speaker 3 I don't really know. I don't really know what people are saying about me right now, which is smart, a beautiful thing, but you can try me.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know. No, we don't know any.

Speaker 2 We don't platform rumors

Speaker 2 and we don't discuss rumors. But you imply that maybe later this season, like someone like, let's say, Lisa might say, I've heard this about you.
Yeah. Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 And is there anything that you know that will be aired? No. That's a rumor.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I don't think so.

Speaker 3 I think it, like I said, it happened.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm not sure what the timeline is, but no,

Speaker 3 I don't think so. And if it is, it's not, it's behind my back.
I, what, I'm not aware. Unless I forgot.
And that's very Britney-ish.

Speaker 3 That's Brittany-esque as to be like, oh yeah, that did happen, didn't it?

Speaker 3 Oh, wait. What time was my flight again?

Speaker 2 The recording of the other women. Yes.

Speaker 2 Like, what happened? I took it as you were doing this shit and you just just didn't realize it would trigger them so much.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yes. It wasn't like, oh, because you kind of in the moment were trying to excuse your way out of it.

Speaker 3 You know, and I was, I said this at the reunion. So I feel like I can speak to this because I've already said this.
People are like, you had 500 excuses.

Speaker 3 I'm like, yeah, because all five of 500 of them were true. Like you can have multiple things going on in your own head.
that all equal the same thing and they're not mutually exclusive.

Speaker 3 You can have, I was sending a message to my daughter. I did think it wasn't a good idea to actually do it on the platform what actually sent.

Speaker 3 So I did put it on my camera instead and decide to save it maybe for later. I did have to flip the camera around because when you first press it, it was facing forward.
So flip.

Speaker 3 I mean, all of those things are true, but the way that it looked to everybody, it looked like I was just guilty.

Speaker 2 Although. But I mean, you were guilty though, right? Well, of what?

Speaker 3 Sending a video?

Speaker 2 Not even sent. I don't know.
I didn't didn't even just like, I don't know, this is like crazy hot shit. Like, we live in a world where people are arguing.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, so this is literally what happened.

Speaker 3 And you can see on the episode that I've got the camera facing forward. Like you, if you pause, you can see my face in my phone.
I mean, I hope this is okay to say.

Speaker 3 I hope I'm not dispelling some kind of something or other that is going to be bad.

Speaker 2 I think it's funny and I don't care.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 I literally, this is literally what was going on in my head. Olivia just got 100% on a math test.
I said, oh my gosh, that's great. Congratulations, baby.
I'm so proud of you.

Speaker 3 Any communication from her at this point was a gem. In fact, I told you I stalked her to just get her to talk to me.
I found her in a room upstairs hiding from me. So I'll take anything I can get.

Speaker 3 At the same time, I thought, oh, I'm going to show her where I'm at. And knowing that there's this crazy argument going on behind me, and I didn't have anything to do with the argument.

Speaker 3 I didn't even know what they were talking about. Thankfully, I'm like, oh, finally a moment off.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to, you know, la la la, look at where I am.

Speaker 3 Look at these crazy bitches fighting. I don't know.
I don't care. Next thing I know,

Speaker 3 like that, that was all it took. And at first I was in such shock that you can see it on my face.
I was just like, no, I'm sending a message to my daughter. Like, leave me alone.

Speaker 3 And thinking that that would dispel everything and it would go away. And it just built.
It was like a snowball. It just kept rolling and rolling and gathering and gathering.

Speaker 3 And next thing I knew, I was hyperventilating outside.

Speaker 2 Who of your peers has the scariest reaction in the moment? Mary, Meredith, or Lisa? Oh, Meredith. Okay.

Speaker 2 Scary.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 that shocked me. Like, I don't know if you can hear me saying this or not, but I turned around to Meredith because that very morning, I was bringing her a latte.
You know, we were, we were friends.

Speaker 3 I mean, I thought we were friends. Yes, she'd only called me twice, but I thought we were friends.

Speaker 2 You didn't say you're best friends?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I didn't say best friends. So then like a couple hours later, she's calling me vile and saying, you need to leave and I've had enough of you.

Speaker 3 And I turned around to her and I said, Meredith, I said, you need to stop. This is irreparable.
What you're saying, we can't come back from this. And she just kept going.
And I was like, okay.

Speaker 3 Here we go. And that, that really changed everything for us.
That was the dividing. I just will never, I feel like I can't ever, I will never put myself close like that again.

Speaker 2 Who are you closest with these days in that group?

Speaker 3 I mean, obviously Heather.

Speaker 3 I, I talk to Heather all the time. She's my girl.
Whitney is too. Like

Speaker 2 we're all really close.

Speaker 3 Angie, I love in person, but ironically, I talk the most to Bronwyn.

Speaker 3 Isn't that interesting? I mean, we love her.

Speaker 2 I literally talk to her like, I mean, she seems the most real.

Speaker 3 She's great. Like I said, like

Speaker 3 she has a lot of layers and she's very quick-witted.

Speaker 4 Whose style do you hate the most?

Speaker 3 Hate the most?

Speaker 3 Okay, who do I have to choose from?

Speaker 2 All of them.

Speaker 3 I love Bromwyn's style. That's the irony of the red coat.
In fact, I almost brought it and almost walked in in it. Wouldn't that have been funny?

Speaker 2 That would have been funny. So

Speaker 2 I bought one. Off of Timo.

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course. OT Moon.
Yeah. I was going to say, yeah.
No.

Speaker 4 I thought it was only,

Speaker 4 I bought it.

Speaker 2 Only her and Rihanna had it. Right.
They're only three in the world.

Speaker 3 No, I love Bromwyn's style. I like everyone's style.
I would say probably Whitney and I have different style.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 But I wouldn't, I wouldn't shade on anybody's style. Everyone dresses.
I think that's great about Salt Lake. Don't you think? Like it's a fashion.
Yeah. It's a fashion show every week.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I've had to step up my game.

Speaker 2 Like I've, yeah, I've have you noticed? I've had a little bit of a glow up.

Speaker 4 I never thought you were so down.

Speaker 3 Oh, well, you know, from the German Shepherd coat that was 150

Speaker 2 years ago. You clearly feel the pressure.

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm a t-shirt and jeans kind of girl. Like when I strip, when I get home, I just want to take off these clothes and just like get in sweats and put my hair in a pony and like

Speaker 3 ton of shoes.

Speaker 4 Like, what did you think of Lisa's interview moment where she only had one smoky eye?

Speaker 4 Oh, God.

Speaker 3 That was so painful.

Speaker 2 I was like, what went wrong?

Speaker 3 And who did not tell her?

Speaker 2 Who was the one that made that call?

Speaker 3 Glam, no, you're not allowed in. Nope, nope, not yet, not yet.

Speaker 2 I imagine if that's how it works, if it was the producers and, you know, that's kind of their. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Who let her take the fall for that? But it was, it was, you got people talking.

Speaker 2 I mean, you have to. From what you know, that wasn't in any way staged or Lisa being a good sport.
Oh, no. Do you think Lisa's ever capable of laughing at herself? Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 3 100%. No.
But she did a really good job of like not throwing her glam team under the bus. Yeah, that was classy.
Clearly, there would have been some tears, and clearly, one had cried off.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? That's what I think happened. That's my deconstruction of it all.

Speaker 2 You're probably not allowed to answer this, but if you are asked back, you're fully committed to another season. Yes.
Okay.

Speaker 3 They're stuck with me. Has shed.
If they don't ask me back, I'm just going to show up and just be like, what about me?

Speaker 2 Has Shed Media, right? Shed,

Speaker 2 have they discussed with you about your willingness to date on camera?

Speaker 2 And I, other than that, maybe it's just difficult to find random guys that you also are interested in to like, you know, show up and sign a contract and be on camera. But would you be willing to date?

Speaker 3 You're joking, right?

Speaker 2 I don't, you know, I don't know why we don't see more. Because there's like, you know, housewives used to be always like wives.

Speaker 2 And now we're seeing more single women. Great.
Love that. But like, I want to see the dating.
I want to see them putting themselves out there. I want, you know.

Speaker 3 1000%. Yes.

Speaker 2 Have you pitched that?

Speaker 3 100 times, yes. Yes, please.
Will you please let me go on a date? No, this is, I, I love this question because I am putting it out into the universe. I want to be a bachelorette.
The bachelorette?

Speaker 3 Yes. I want to be the bachelorette at some point.
I think that would be so fun. Yeah.
It's my dating style anyway. Next, next, next, next.
Yes. No, no, no, yes.
It would be golden.

Speaker 3 I would be, I would be mid, mid-golden. I know.
50s. I think you have to be 60s.
And then

Speaker 2 they do late 50s. Do they? They do.
Oh, well, perfect. You might be too young to be the lead.
You're definitely too young to be the lead.

Speaker 3 Give me a few years.

Speaker 2 I want to look up. Yeah.
I want to look up.

Speaker 3 I think that'd be so fun.

Speaker 5 I am curious, like, your background in singing and performing. There's some clips that have resurfaced, but I don't know that the internet even knows like what your background actually is.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 3 I went to BYU and I was trying to decide between

Speaker 3 a science degree of some sort, like engineering or something, and or musical theater. And since I grew up singing and dancing as a family, I ended up doing that.
I auditioned for the major.

Speaker 3 It's a triple major. It's really hard to get into and they accepted.
And so I just ended up doing that instead of science.

Speaker 3 And so I have a, I have a music degree, music, dance degree, a theater degree. And then I did Disney World, first job out of school.

Speaker 2 What did you play? I did Disney World.

Speaker 3 Ariel and Belle.

Speaker 2 Did you?

Speaker 2 It was

Speaker 3 such a dreamy, like first job, job.

Speaker 4 You were a princess at Disney.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but in the shows. Like, not, not shaking hands.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So that was my job. And then I loved it.
And then I did a whole bunch of theater, like Robert Redford's Theater.

Speaker 3 I played opposite Christopher Lloyd, if you know who that is, like from Back to the Future. I do.
I played Nancy. He played Oliver, and I did a whole bunch of stuff that was equity.

Speaker 3 And then I did the national, the second national Broadway tour of Miss Saigon. That was the pinnacle.
And then I switched to movies and TV right after that because I started having kids.

Speaker 3 So that's pretty much my theater background. I haven't done theater in, I mean, for 20 years, really.
But now I am. I am.

Speaker 2 I'm doing your White Women show, right? Yes.

Speaker 3 I'm so excited. What about me? So fun.
It's so fun. I love everything about it.
I love the rehearsal process. I love like working through kinks.
I love staging.

Speaker 2 I love is that out already?

Speaker 3 It's December 5th and 6th. Where is that? But tickets are for sale right now.

Speaker 2 Where can people get tickets?

Speaker 3 They can go to my Instagram and click the link. But please, yes, that's why I'm here.
That's why I was making a TikTok to make that announcement. In fact, without further ado, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Speaker 3 I have an announcement. I have an announcement.

Speaker 3 I have a one-woman show. Yeah.
And tickets are on Instagram.

Speaker 2 You can click the link.

Speaker 2 First day is sold out, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, the first night is sold out.
Yeah. So we opened it.

Speaker 2 Where is it? Where is it?

Speaker 3 It's at 54 Below, which is a theater in the Broadway district. Oh, New York.
New York.

Speaker 2 I'm so sorry. I'm a New York show.
I'm showing in New York. Wow, yeah.
I know.

Speaker 3 I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 We should try to go.

Speaker 3 We should try to go. That would be amazing.

Speaker 2 Will you please?

Speaker 3 Absolutely. Okay, I will put aside two tickets.

Speaker 4 We will be happy to pay for them.

Speaker 2 You support you.

Speaker 3 You're so cute.

Speaker 2 Thank you. I have another question.
Did that answer your question?

Speaker 3 It did.

Speaker 2 It did.

Speaker 3 Thank you for reminding me because I really needed to plug in. Yes.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm here.

Speaker 3 here completely the other question i had was where do you draw the line with talking about like sex and dating and drinking on the show because i feel like that's a common like yeah tension point for you such a good question wow that's a good question it it's only a tension point if people think it's a tension point like i i think that i don't have any problem with it and i've been very very open and you can't be a hypocrite if you're being open hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing the opposite i'm doing exactly what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 I'm living my beliefs exactly as I want to. I lead the music in church.
I sing in church. I sang last week in church.
I gave a talk in church like three weeks ago.

Speaker 3 You know, I, I, I say what I mean and I mean what I say. And

Speaker 3 I don't, I, there is no tension unless it's made.

Speaker 4 So when Angie brought the wine to your party, knowing that you do socially drink,

Speaker 4 why did that?

Speaker 3 hurt you so bad it didn't really hurt me it just irked me and it was just like a side comment like i just felt it was a a little shady because she told me that she grew up as Mormon as anyone.

Speaker 3 And I'm sorry. Is there a person on the planet that doesn't know that Mormons don't drink?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 And yet she tried to act all innocent, like, oh, I didn't know. I know that you drink.

Speaker 3 You don't bring, it'd be like bringing a slab of bacon to Meredith Spot Mitzvah and saying, here, here's a present. Okay.
Yes, they eat bacon.

Speaker 3 But would I bring that as a gift and openly give her a pound of, you know, ham? No, I wouldn't. It's the same exact principle.
It's just a shady thing to do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like things are annoying when you know they're trying to. Yeah.
Just to stir up. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I was more thinking that question, too, because in the first episode, you wouldn't say the word dick, I think.

Speaker 2 So people noticed that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I did eventually say it, though. Did you notice? I'm like, I still want an apology for you.

Speaker 2 For that dick sucking joke. Yeah, that was amazing.

Speaker 2 Brittany, this has been so much fun. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 You guys are the best. It was a pleasure getting to know you.
I can't wait to meet River someday. I'm quite getting to meet her.
our son.

Speaker 2 Please get those tickets, people, for your listening. Go to Brittany's Instagram.
If you're willing, if you want to

Speaker 2 send us on our way out by just maybe singing us a song

Speaker 2 of any kind. Maybe it's something from your Wonder Woman show.
Maybe it's one of your favorite Disney shows. But if you want to grace our audience with your voice,

Speaker 2 I'll listen. Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm ill-prepared. So just let's give this a shot.
What shall we do?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I want to be where the people are.

Speaker 3 I want to see, wanna see them dancing.

Speaker 2 Walking around on those.

Speaker 3 What do you call it?

Speaker 2 Oh, feet.

Speaker 2 Flipping your fins.

Speaker 3 You don't get too far. Legs are required for jumping, dancing.

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 2 Strolling along down the...

Speaker 2 What's that word again? Street.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 Where they walk. Company.
Where they're sweet.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 4 Oh, beautiful.

Speaker 2 Thanks, you guys.

Speaker 4 Oh, my gosh. This was such a pleasure.
Thank you so much for coming.

Speaker 3 This pleasure is mine. Please have me back.

Speaker 2 I would love to hang out with you anytime you're in LA. Let us know.
We'll see you tomorrow, guys.

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