E1036 - Caroline Stanbury, Sergio Carrallo and Chanel Ayan Talk Bravocon, RHOSLC, Mormon Wives & DWTS

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Speaker 2 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition.

Speaker 2 We are jammed packed this week, bringing you the best possible content we can, and certainly the best possible content ever. We got the household with us, my charming, um, charming, amazing.

Speaker 1 You don't always have to do three, you could just leave it at charming so you don't have to put so much hesitation into it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm here, everybody, the household's here. Everyone, everyone's here, everyone's here.

Speaker 2 We got some people are sick, yeah, Mary was sick, Mary got sick on Monday, still a little bit, some of us were drunk on

Speaker 2 Tuesday's episode coming off of BravoCon, you know but we're here we're here we're thriving uh we're still on the show unlike whitney on dancing with the stars

Speaker 7 you know what i was shocked because she was awesome last night um i met connor took picture with him he is so nice she was the best dancer for sure right do we all agree like is if we're objectively just looking at the dancing and the performance

Speaker 7 she also like gave her all i think it was her second dance or her first i think it was her second dance where carrie ann was like i really felt like you put your entire you into that.

Speaker 7 Like, she really gave it everything.

Speaker 5 We feel like she got eliminated because of the clip on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, where she's saying, I only came back to this because I knew I would get an audition for Dancing of the Stars.

Speaker 7 Didn't help. Honestly, yes.
I mean, I really think so, because I saw a lot of chatter online where people were like, don't vote for Whitney because of, because of that.

Speaker 7 And it's like, it is the timing of it. I mean, people hit first episode back.

Speaker 10 Someone with a winning mentality. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, we had that.

Speaker 2 That's a really good point, Mary. They don't like people who try.
Yeah, we have to do that. Whitney is the hardest trier ever.

Speaker 5 We had that. And then we had Elaine Hendricks on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap being like, if I were to win, I would be the oldest person to win Dancing with the Stars ever.
And I'm just like

Speaker 5 doing it for the people of my generation. Like, just like being so inspiring and so powerful.
And then

Speaker 2 they're like, I want to win because I want to be the best.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's hard for me because I think both of them are hot and deserve to win.

Speaker 6 Oh, and Elaine was amazing last night.

Speaker 7 She was amazing last night. And she's just like, so, she's such a special person, you can tell.

Speaker 2 Well, Leia and Susie were at Dancing with the Stars. And we'll play some interviews they got momentarily.
Also, yesterday, Nellie and I were in New York City.

Speaker 2 Popped on over, little puddle jumped to interview the finalist of Special Forces. It was a nice little lineup.
We had Sean and Andrew East. We had Cody Brown.

Speaker 1 Interesting cat.

Speaker 2 Interesting cat. You know him from so many Mormon wives.
I can't keep track of all our Mormon wives because obviously we have Salt Lake City this episode we're going to get into.

Speaker 2 That was a wild episode. We got Mary at church.
That was crazy. We have the secret lives of Mormon wives and we have Cody Brown, who is a polygamist who has been famously on what's sister wives?

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 2 Also of the Mormon community. They're the Mormons in their TV.

Speaker 10 These Mormons. Hey, one thing about them, yeah, they know how to work.

Speaker 7 Isn't there a lot of of drama with Cody?

Speaker 2 The man has

Speaker 2 had four wives at the same time, has been divorced to three of them.

Speaker 5 Spiritually marriaged.

Speaker 2 Spiritual marriage, as we come to find out. Spoil alert.
We do, again, this episode. I don't know, maybe we talked about before.
He has 18 children.

Speaker 2 Doesn't talk to many of them.

Speaker 5 Oh. So we get into all of that.
It's on Friday's episode of our special reunion edition special forces.

Speaker 2 Also, Brianna Lepaglia, formerly known as brianna chicken fry gia judice and gia judice of bravo fame so it's a great lineup and uh we talk obviously about the finale also about their special forces experience and then also just really get into you know appeal back the layers on who these people are did brianna talk at all about the last episode of bffs she did

Speaker 1 i just found out about this i didn't realize they were finishing their

Speaker 2 show we get into that as well so uh be sure to check out the very special episode of going deeper the reunion of special forces, and that is this Friday.

Speaker 2 If you haven't listened to this week's Going Deeper with Jesse Draper, well, I don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 It's part one of part two. Next week, we got Jordan and me, and then the four of us, me, Natalie, Jordan, and Jesse.

Speaker 2 This week's Going Deeper, if you haven't listened to it already, has a special segment where it's just Natalie and Jesse how they get into some of the darker

Speaker 2 things that happened in the marriage between Jesse and Jordan. So, yeah, and then we'll obviously we'll get into some of the episodes later this episode as well.

Speaker 2 Did you guys see the recent video that's been released in the

Speaker 2 Justin Beldoni and the Blake lively case?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was spooky.

Speaker 5 There's a lot of them.

Speaker 7 I actually haven't seen it. Should we pull it up?

Speaker 2 Well, this one's like, you know, last Tuesday, we talked about how Dwight Schroott and Justin Beldoni are friends.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 Well, they text.

Speaker 2 They text. And that was positioned as some sort of like, this is damning evidence.
Contrary to this video. Let's play the video.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 6 Giving this video is about to be some damning evidence. Well,

Speaker 1 you can miss out for yourself. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 11 We should go.

Speaker 1 Ready?

Speaker 1 So, Justin's like, I think that's pretty hot.

Speaker 1 I don't know to what.

Speaker 2 He's like, he's sexy.

Speaker 1 Toothpick, please.

Speaker 12 Mim, do you have a toothpick?

Speaker 2 Jenny Slate says something.

Speaker 2 And then Justin's like, I missed a sexual harassment training and rolls his eyes.

Speaker 1 Because of a toothpick?

Speaker 5 Well, for context, he's talking to Blake Lively.

Speaker 5 About their in the bar scene about something that he says, oh, I think that looks hot. And then he's like, it's sexy.
And then he says that there's something in her tooth.

Speaker 5 So he's like, somebody, let's get a toothpick to get this piece of food or piece of whatever out of her tooth. That's where the toothpick comes into play.
But he was talking

Speaker 5 beforehand, saying that it was hot and sexy, and then says, I must have missed the sexual harassment movie.

Speaker 2 And then rolls his eyes as if like suggesting that the sexual harassment training is like unnecessary or a little silly. But yeah, let's go through the timeline of this

Speaker 2 of this whole story. First, we had Justin who had a podcast basically positioning himself as the safest man alive around women who understand all the plights of how women feel in men's spaces.

Speaker 2 Then he does this movie with Blake,

Speaker 2 allegedly, according to Blake, does some weird stuff. I'll have this video that might suggest, also allegedly talking about like porn addictions and things like that.

Speaker 2 She complains internally and is like, hey, can you stop being weird? He allegedly stops being weird.

Speaker 2 And then all of a sudden, then the movie premiere comes out and she decides to publicly like not mess with with Justin. She's like, I don't want to follow him on Instagram.

Speaker 2 I don't want to do red carpets with him. And then Justin launches an all-out online attack on Blake Lively, which Justin, this is you, Justin, sweet boy Justin, not Justin.
Bolding question to you.

Speaker 2 Or question of the household. Isn't it like commonly accepted at this point that the online retaliation of Justin's team, like we all like, does everyone accept that?

Speaker 2 Or do the Justin stands not accept that reality?

Speaker 13 Well, I mean, I've always said that regardless before we knew who was right or wrong, guilty or not guilty, that like it was always confirmed that there was a smear campaign.

Speaker 2 I thought so. I mean, we have emails and texts from Justin to his team, like talking about the strategy of this smear campaign.

Speaker 5 Remember, like the evidence of Justin sending the tweet about Haley Bieber and being like, let's do this to her.

Speaker 5 And it was like a bullying thread about Haley Bieber.

Speaker 2 So unless you, I guess my point of bringing that up is that, so unless you think that Blake saying, I don't want to talk to the guy who made me feel a little weird at work,

Speaker 2 is worse or the same as Justin spending tens of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars to attack and bully Blake lively online, then I'm just confused when people aren't signing with Justin Beldoni.

Speaker 2 And that's where I land.

Speaker 10 I feel like the whole thing with this case is that as we're talking about this, I'm just remembering, like, I feel like it was like a a year ago, pretty much, we started talking about it.

Speaker 1 It was like around the holidays. We first started talking about last Christmas

Speaker 2 August when the

Speaker 1 red carpet.

Speaker 2 And then it like died down between August 15th.

Speaker 10 And then it came back because she had the lawsuit around Christmas. Because I remember because I was flying home for Christmas.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 We did a whole Christmas.

Speaker 10 We did a whole Christmas special.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he had.

Speaker 2 Remember in the timeline, it was like the red carpet happened. Blake was not doing the red carpet with Justin.
The internet was like, that's weird.

Speaker 2 And then, like, a week later, out of nowhere, we started seeing all this Blake lively hate, all these old videos being brought up, all this commentary about how like the real quote unquote Blake Lively.

Speaker 2 And we were reminded by the internet of the prince that is Justin Baldoti and all the work he's done for and with women, et cetera, et cetera. And it all seemed kind of bizarre.

Speaker 2 And I was out there being like, I'm not so sure things are adding up, but we couldn't explain why. And then things died down.

Speaker 2 And then right around Christmas time, that story broke in the New York Times that like said, hey, there's been a smear campaign. This is what happened at the office.

Speaker 2 Blake, again, was this like she worked with a guy who made her feel weird. And at the time, I don't think she was accusing him of like sex.
She wasn't publicly going public.

Speaker 2 She was just like, Hey, this guy's making me feel comfortable at work. Apparently, there were some internal conversations.
Ryan allegedly got mad at Justin and said, Stop being weird.

Speaker 2 I'm around my wife. And then he allegedly stopped being weird.
And they finished the movie. And then, you know, time had passed.

Speaker 2 And then again, like, they found out that like he behind the scenes, he raged, raged war, waged war waged war against blake lively and here we are

Speaker 10 well to get to the point those are all true facts i i think the reason that a lot of people don't really know what to think is because it's like almost been a year and i think there's just been so much and i think at this point in the court of public opinion at least people are like like i don't know something shady went on both of these guys seem annoying because we just keep hearing about it yeah i think you're absolutely right i think well that's kind of the the point.

Speaker 2 A lot of people are confused. So right now you have a lot of the statements is like Blake's life, Blake Lively is accusing Justin of like sexual harassment or whatever.

Speaker 2 And, you know, and so they're kind of nitpicking like this video.

Speaker 2 They're like, well, that's not sexual harassment, you know, as opposed to being like, this was a guy who just like was kind of weird at work and she asked him to stop and then he retaliated.

Speaker 10 By putting an internet smear campaign against her and trying to ruin her life.

Speaker 13 I feel like people are always more fascinated with making someone guilty before they're innocent, rather it being innocent until proven guilty. And like

Speaker 13 it was more sense, what's word sensationalized to like view or discuss Blake as guilty.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, it's also that a David and Goliath. Like Blake is the very popular, very famous, and Justin was definitely like more niche, more up and coming.

Speaker 9 Everybody likes an underdog.

Speaker 10 And people hate women.

Speaker 1 So true.

Speaker 5 At the end of the day, that's really all it comes down to.

Speaker 2 But you would just think watching this video, again, this video, if nothing else, suggests that he will make a remark at work.

Speaker 2 And like, not that it's like the end of the world, but again, when you couple it with the fact that this is a guy who made his entire platform saying, hey, women, I understand your plight.

Speaker 2 I know what it's like that you are constantly being like, you know, men can be weird around you and they can make you feel uncomfortable. Certainly not all men.

Speaker 2 But there's a lot of men out there and like, it's not okay. And I understand.

Speaker 2 And then he comes in being the director, the boss, the producer of this entire production and starts doing those weird fucking things.

Speaker 2 It's a, it's a jump scare it's a it's a misdirect it's a it's a gaslight and it will make people feel uncomfortable and weird i think people just don't like to be wrong so whatever side they originally saw yeah they're just where they're gonna stay

Speaker 1 for sure

Speaker 1 for sure

Speaker 2 well the trial is seems to be underway and heading towards an actual trial i think trial i think it's scheduled for march 2026 so we'll see at this point i don't see anything that's going to stop it from going to trial but we'll see commit to the bit

Speaker 5 31 by then i am kind of shocked that things are still coming out.

Speaker 1 I thought the judge was like, hey, let's stop releasing. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 10 I think it's one of those things by like, by the time the verdict comes out, me personally, I'm just going to be like, sure.

Speaker 2 Oh, I'm thinking, I'm guessing that's what Justin seems hoping. But, you know, good news, he is friends with Dwight Truth.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I wonder if he'll testify.

Speaker 1 That they're friends? I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's just

Speaker 2 anyway. Leia, talk to us about Dancing with the Stars.
What was it like to be there? Who'd you see? Did you guys see any like BTS? Like any drama that wasn't aired on live television?

Speaker 7 There wasn't really any drama. I mean, this is such a wholesome show.

Speaker 7 Everybody's just so happy and they're feeling so emotional after they, you know, do these dances and they put everything into them. So like Alex Earl got emotional after she did one of hers.

Speaker 7 Elaine Hendrix got emotional. Jordan Childs got her first perfect score, tens all around, and she got emotional about that.
And Whitney got emotional too. I mean, everybody was

Speaker 7 everybody got emotional.

Speaker 5 What was it like having Zach Efron in studio? Did he like get escorted in like after everyone was already sitting? Like did he

Speaker 1 rush?

Speaker 1 Was he like under an umbrella?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean he like when they cut to him, everybody was just like, oh my god, Zach's there.

Speaker 7 I wonder if he felt pressure because Prince William was on the show last week and he and everybody was kind of calling out like, Prince William's on the show and Zach Efron hasn't even been on here yet.

Speaker 10 Okay, but who cares about Prince William when you have Zach Efron?

Speaker 7 No, he was on, he was on Zoom.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 10 The Prince of England?

Speaker 1 The Prince of England. Yeah.
For who? The bald one?

Speaker 5 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He came on Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 7 He was on like a video because he was talking to Robert Irwin.

Speaker 13 Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 How is this?

Speaker 1 Like, what? Where? Bring this video up.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Let me find it.

Speaker 13 Because Robert Irwin is like a diplomat for like animal rights, no?

Speaker 2 Maybe so, but like, we missed that?

Speaker 1 Like, how is

Speaker 2 it like the prince of William? Prince William.

Speaker 7 He was on the show.

Speaker 1 Sent him a video.

Speaker 5 Did we talk about dancing with the stars last week?

Speaker 10 Yeah, we always do.

Speaker 1 Were we living under a rock?

Speaker 1 Have a special call.

Speaker 2 I don't know who it is. Let's see.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 How are you? Oh, my God. Robert, how are you doing? How is Rio? They're friends.

Speaker 5 They're friends.

Speaker 3 We're really going to go on and save the world.

Speaker 1 We're missing you, Robert. Whilst your twinkle toes are going off elsewhere, I need you down here.

Speaker 1 Oh, my. This motherfucker is friends with the prince.

Speaker 7 He was supposed to do something with Prince William.

Speaker 7 Basically, he was supposed to do something with Prince William,

Speaker 7 and it was the timing of it was going to be then.

Speaker 1 The fact that Prince William called in is crazy.

Speaker 7 So that's what everybody was saying. They were like, Prince William is on Dancing with the Stars, and we haven't even seen Zach Efron.

Speaker 11 We didn't know.

Speaker 7 So then I was like, maybe he felt pressure after that to come on the show.

Speaker 10 I got to be honest, Zach Efron, much more exciting to me than Prince William.

Speaker 7 But don't worry, everyone. Susie and I got you covered.
We did ask Dylan how it felt to have his brother Zach in the audience, and this is what he said.

Speaker 14 Okay, obviously Zach was in the audience tonight. How did that feel having your brother be here?

Speaker 5 Looking over and seeing my whole family is everything so yeah it was a win-win either whatever happened was like the whole family was an amazing night for me you know i i yeah it's i don't think that's shade in any way i think it's just more like hey we are a family and it's not just about zach yeah i think he's very much like I'm sure everyone asked the question of like, oh my God, his brother's here, his brother's here, your brother, your brother, Zach, Zach, Zach, Zack, Zach.

Speaker 5 And he's probably like, listen, like, yeah.

Speaker 1 My whole family means a lot.

Speaker 5 It's not just everyone coming to support me. My girlfriend supporting me, my little sister, like everyone, it means so much.
All the fans who support me.

Speaker 1 And it means so much.

Speaker 2 This is more like Zach's here for you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like, he's also here for me.

Speaker 6 We could give Zach that he's busy. I don't feel like he watches the show because there's a clip that's going viral right now of him turning to his mom.

Speaker 1 He's like all nines.

Speaker 2 He's like, is that good?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 they're like, yeah. And he's like, oh my God, great.

Speaker 2 He was very supportive of his brother and very happy for his brother. But like, yeah, the motherfucker doesn't watch dancing with the stars.

Speaker 7 Listen, I think it was really sweet. Again, this is the most wholesome show.
I really just enjoy that, like,

Speaker 7 everybody's just putting their heart, soul, and all on the line, and their families and friends are there to support them. And it was so sweet to see Zach in the audience.

Speaker 7 There were some other cute videos that I can play.

Speaker 7 But yeah, so that was that was one thing that we asked Dylan. We also did ask him about their viral dance, just because everybody's doing it.

Speaker 7 And then we ran into Jonathan of Bachelor Nation and we talked to him for a little while. And then we actually had Jonathan and Ezra Sosa do the viral dance move.
So I put it in here, but here it is.

Speaker 7 We asked Dylan and Daniella about their swimming viral move and how it feels to have that go viral.

Speaker 14 How does it feel to see everyone doing your dance move? It's gone viral. How does that feel?

Speaker 1 She's the one that came up with it. No, it's surreal.

Speaker 15 We both did it, first of all, and also we

Speaker 1 literally couldn't do it without you. It's been really cool, too, because a lot of people are good at it, too.
You see all the whole scale. Some people are struggling, some people nailed it.

Speaker 1 It's like fun. I'm like, giving them judges' scores.

Speaker 14 I love that. Do you guys have tips for Nick and Natalie when they try it?

Speaker 1 When they're trying it? Yeah, they're going to try it. We're going to make them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, find the good grip. There's a good grip for a guy.

Speaker 15 We were trained to do it properly by one of my really good friends who's in the theater arts business. So he's unreal.
His name is Alian.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 1 thanks to him, we got it right.

Speaker 7 I do wonder how many people have done it wrong and just like completely smashed their person's face into the floor.

Speaker 5 It's all about the good grip.

Speaker 7 All about the good grip. So you guys will have to try it later because we told Dylan that you would.

Speaker 5 Well, you know, I have a fear of being lifted, so I don't know if I'll be involving myself into that.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 7 And then, yeah, we did get to talk to Jordan and Ezra, speaking of Ezra, and they talked about their friendship, which was really sweet.

Speaker 7 Here's a cute clip of them talking just about like how close they've gotten during the show.

Speaker 14 I wanted to talk to you guys a little bit about your friendship. Tonight, you literally danced down backwards on stage.
I was like, I've never seen anything so impressive.

Speaker 14 You guys obviously have a lot of trust and a beautiful friendship that I've loved watching on TikTok and online.

Speaker 14 What has been like the most fun part about becoming friends and getting to know each other?

Speaker 16 The moment I walked through those doors in week one, I literally looked like his personality is what gets me. He's not shy of anything and he understands his craft.

Speaker 16 And I think that's why I just love the way that we get, like, I enjoy coming to rehearsals. I enjoy being around him.
I'm always like, hey, can I come do this?

Speaker 16 Like, all these things. Do you want to go to that Stranger Things premiere with me? That's just what I love because he understands, yes, me, but I get to understand him.

Speaker 16 It's going to be a long-lasting friendship, whether people like it or not. This is my D.Va, and he will forever be my D.V.

Speaker 10 This is my diva. Mary will forever be my diva.
That's how I talk about Justin.

Speaker 13 I do love Ezra's Hosa.

Speaker 1 He's one of my favorites.

Speaker 7 Yeah. You can tell how much they love each other.
And then we also got to talk to Elaine, who remembered us, and, you know, we had on the show last week.

Speaker 7 And she was feeling really good about making it to the finals and

Speaker 7 getting, you know, great scores. So we talked to her a bit about that as well.
And I'll play a clip. We also talked to Elaine Hendrix, who we had on the show last week.

Speaker 7 She had a perfect score last night. She did an incredible, incredible job.
She puts her heart and soul into everything that she does.

Speaker 7 And here's what she had to say about getting her perfect score last night.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes, yes, you, I recognize it. Good, are you?

Speaker 14 Okay, we just have a couple of quick questions.

Speaker 14 You are representing women everywhere so beautifully.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 9 No, thank you.

Speaker 14 I feel like you're speaking about going after your dreams, and you've been such an inspiration to watch.

Speaker 14 What can you tell us about your journey thus far? and how are you feeling after Perfect Scores Night?

Speaker 17 I am so grateful. I am grateful to Alan.
I am grateful to everyone who has helped us get to this moment, the fans, the crew, the creative team. This has been, this has far exceeded my expectations.

Speaker 17 I had high hopes and the reality of it just absolutely blows my mind.

Speaker 14 That's amazing. And what's it been like being partnered with such an incredible woman?

Speaker 18 Honestly, it's inspiring. You know, I get see her

Speaker 18 fight through things and and get better every day and and not give up and it's incredible to see and the fact that we get here is just like

Speaker 18 it's it's so validating it's so incredible and just i'm so proud of her lane she's worked so hard we we got a lot more uh we'll be posting them on the valve foul social so please check it out there if you want to hear more but i'm rooting for elaine honestly if elaine wins

Speaker 2 i i would love that the oldest the oldest person to win dancing with the stars she's really crushed it. I think she surprised a lot of people.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 it's a very tough competition. I mean, I think Alex Earle has been such a constant.

Speaker 2 It's not about the best dancer.

Speaker 5 I think to just even make it into the finals this season is an accomplishment in itself. And like Robert Irwin, everyone in the finals should be so good.

Speaker 1 That's a great question. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 6 And even as a really good viewer, I feel like anybody who wins, I'm actually, I'm really happy because all of them deserve it.

Speaker 2 absolutely absolutely i gotta say as far as whitney leaving i felt like she nailed her exit in the sense that like listen whitney is a competitor and i i'm a competitor so no fault to that like whitney really tried right like she was out here dancing taking classes before the season she put her heart and soul into it some people like people who try others who don't you know but like you could tell i know that she was dying inside when she got voted off she stuck the landing so to speak because as soon as they said Jordan was moving on, Whitney was all smiles.

Speaker 5 Well, I think she learned from past mistakes. Sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I just want to give her some credit because, like, inside, I'm sure she didn't feel like smiling, and I'm sure she was dying inside. And she was the best possible sport.

Speaker 7 In her exit interview, she did say that, like, her and her partner both said that they like felt it coming. Nevertheless, like, they just had a feeling that it was.

Speaker 5 Well, I wonder if those Mormon wives haters, you know, felt the need to comment or send dms being like we're not voting for you or you know maybe so going in i'm sure she had a feeling of like

Speaker 5 this could be a possibility let me like set my expectations and also like yeah she did learn from i think hiding her facial expressions with the whole you know danielle fischel turning around and whatever she said to her at that time when whoever that was that left and she kind of cracked a smile and uh danielle fisher fisch kind of told her not to do that and i think she learned from that mistake and she at least she's learning i mean she's she stuck the landing on the on her elimination and i i got it you got to give her some credit also can i just say i feel like

Speaker 6 the secret lives of mormon wise fans are overreacting yeah yeah and i think they're passionate like they have their favorites and those the people that they support and the people that they don't they're also very passionate about that too

Speaker 7 i will say i think whitney is unapologetically herself and that is what i love about her so much that's what i think we all love about her so much. But it was,

Speaker 1 I mean, come on.

Speaker 7 She literally said it like, I am coming back because I want to be on Dancing with the Stars. And that is.

Speaker 1 Why is that a crime?

Speaker 7 It's not a crime. It was just like, huh?

Speaker 5 But I do think it...

Speaker 11 I appreciate her admitting it.

Speaker 7 But that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Why is it a crime? She clearly isn't getting along with a lot of the women, like, regardless of who you agree with.

Speaker 5 Because I think it just shows that she's willing to, like, use people to get to where she needs to get.

Speaker 1 And there's that.

Speaker 2 Okay. Because

Speaker 10 she cares enough about it and she cares about this it's her coming across as incredibly calculated and sometimes disingenuous okay here's my issue with the whitney levitt haters out there everyone says they want a diva everyone is like i love diva behavior i want diva behavior but as soon as you guys get it you turn on her let whitney make all the faces she wants when people get eliminated.

Speaker 10 Let Whitney start her own mom talk. Let Whitney just do the show to get on dancing with the stars to get what she wants, because she's a woman who knows how to win.
Justice for Whitney.

Speaker 1 Leave her alone.

Speaker 2 Well, the Whitney stands need to come out strong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm here. Speak up.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 I'm here. I'm speaking up.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, that will do it for our incredible Dancing with the Stars coverage.
Thank you to Leia and Susie. Up next, we have Chanel Ion to talk about all things BravoCon.
She was working.

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Speaker 2 You like the new studio?

Speaker 11 I love it. It looks expensive.
It's like Nick is getting rich and making money, bitch. Good for you.

Speaker 11 It's growing. I love this for you guys.

Speaker 2 Chanel Ayan, welcome back to the show, Beb.

Speaker 11 Thank you. It was so nice to see you at Bravacon.

Speaker 1 It was great to see you.

Speaker 2 You look glamorous. You might have been.
And I and I'm not just saying this. I thought you were the best dressed.

Speaker 11 Thank you so much. Coming from you means a lot to me.

Speaker 1 She was.

Speaker 2 She was.

Speaker 5 Wait, who planned your outfits? Did you have a stylist?

Speaker 11 No, I don't have a stylist. Actually, I planned my outfits like a week before I came.
Like, most of them I did in under 24 hours.

Speaker 5 What is your process for that? That's crazy.

Speaker 11 No, because I wanted to bring... So I was coming from Dubai and I brought 15 dresses.

Speaker 1 That's a lot.

Speaker 11 I know, and I only got to wear six because Bravo is like, you're not going to have time to change because I wanted to have a morning look, afternoon look, and evening look. So that's what I planned.

Speaker 11 But Bravo was like, you're not going to have a chance to change three times a day. And they were true.
I had no time to change.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 No, I think after we hugged and took a picture, I turned to Justin and I said, Chanel's hot.

Speaker 11 Chanel is hot. Oh my God, please.
You know.

Speaker 11 No, no, I know, but you know, sorry, I love your husband. You know that, right?

Speaker 5 And we love you.

Speaker 11 That is so cool. I love it.
A lot of boys were hitting on me at Bravo. That's because he looked hot, yeah, which I love.

Speaker 11 Carl, the one that dated Paige, I was like, Oh my god, he's so beautiful, and then the other one that has short hair, black, he's also very tall.

Speaker 11 I don't know their names, so Carl and Craig, they're all tall, they're all tall, but they're all very like, oh, so hot. But I'm married.
I was like, I'm married for 26 years and super happily married.

Speaker 1 Yeah, who is the hottest guy in Bravo? What do you think?

Speaker 11 So I think the one that that sells alcohol is gorgeous, but he's short.

Speaker 1 Kyle Cook? Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes, CJ? Yes.

Speaker 11 He's gorgeous. He's handsome.
He's short, but he has beautiful eyes, and I love him. But apparently, his wife was complaining to me that he comes home every single night at 4 a.m.

Speaker 1 So I was like, That's crazy.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I didn't know that. So I went to him and I was like, What are you doing out until 4 a.m.?

Speaker 11 You must be eating pussies, bitch, because what are you doing outside when you have a wife at home and you're coming home at 4 a.m.?

Speaker 1 And you know, he's like 45.

Speaker 11 He doesn't look it though. No, I know, but he needs to be 45 years old.

Speaker 11 But he needs to grow up. He needs to grow up.
If you're 45 years old, you need to be home with your wife all night. I just say that to him.

Speaker 11 And then I went out after watching what happened live, and he was at the bar. And he goes, You see, Chanel, my wife is not with me.
She left with other people to eat dinner.

Speaker 11 Then I'm like, Okay, then I have to have a big, I also have to say something to her, you know.

Speaker 1 But you're just the mediator.

Speaker 11 I know, I know. So I liked both of them.
So, but they're really nice people, both of them.

Speaker 1 I enjoyed that.

Speaker 5 Did you have fun at BravoCon?

Speaker 11 I had way too much fun. I was tired because I was waking up at 6 a.m.
to get hair and makeup, and I would be on stage by 8:30, and then I'll be back home like 11 at night.

Speaker 11 So it was lots of hours because I had media, then I had fun to meet the fans and hug them and talk to them. And then I had walk shut up in love in the evening.

Speaker 5 Wow.

Speaker 5 Who is your favorite person that you interviewed?

Speaker 11 Lindsay.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I love Lindsay Hobart. I loved

Speaker 11 Kristen Dot.

Speaker 1 Kristen Dote, yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I really had fun with them and I had fun with the boys a lot. And the cowboys, I did not know they were brothers.
And Avia telling them they should be in Brockback Mountain.

Speaker 11 After it happened, they were like, one of Bravo Donald was like, their brothers. I'm like, what?

Speaker 11 And then the next day I met them, they were like, oh, my God, we love you so much. It was so nice to meet you.
So I took pictures with them. They were like, you're so funny.
So they loved that.

Speaker 11 I say that.

Speaker 12 Did you have a favorite moment being at BravoCon?

Speaker 11 Yeah, my son. You know, my son is going to school here in the US.
So he came for six days. And the first five days, he never left the room.

Speaker 11 He left me with $2,200 bill in the hotel, which is wild as fuck.

Speaker 11 And then the one day I took him. He was like, oh, mom, you're so good at interviewing people.

Speaker 11 I'm actually really impressed and proud of you because he's never, he doesn't like drama that much, but he's very dramatic, which is crazy. And then he just was so proud of me.

Speaker 11 And he met the girl from cooking show, Christine. Yeah, so he really enjoyed that.
Yeah. So that was my favorite part.
My son. Who do you think

Speaker 5 he gets his dramatic side from?

Speaker 11 Both his dad and me are very dramatic. He's Aries.
My husband is Aries. I'm Sagittarius.

Speaker 1 So we are both like psychopaths. Okay, perfect.

Speaker 5 Well, there's been a ton of BravoCon fallout since BravoCon has ended. Have you kept up with anything that's been going on?

Speaker 11 Yes. Actually, Melissa Goda messaged me yesterday because we had a beef and we squashed it.

Speaker 11 So she messaged me and she was like, What did she say? Let me read it because my English is a bit tired sometimes. I forgot the words exactly.
She said, I thought it was really nice.

Speaker 11 She said something like, She goes, Glad we got to connect, XO, EXO. So I thought that was so sweet.
So I replied back and I was like, Yeah, because I didn't expect that. So I thought that was so nice.

Speaker 11 And then I said, Send me sprinkled cookies and I'll send you Iron Beauty makeup.

Speaker 2 Well, a lot, like my wife said, went down in BravoCon, and this, the Bravo Bravo universe fallout continues to happen since BravoCon.

Speaker 2 And we thought there'd be no better person to just talk about these things than with you, Chanel Ion.

Speaker 2 I got to start with, this isn't even BravoCon, this is post-BravoCon, but have you seen the Mauriciomanski photo shoot, the people photo shoot?

Speaker 11 There's a photo shoot of I saw him at Dancing with the Stars, and he came to say I hugged me. That's the last time I saw him.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, have you seen this?

Speaker 2 Can you show, Chanel?

Speaker 2 I'm curious what you think about this, Chanel. Is this like, is this in your mind?

Speaker 2 is he living his best life or is it like, daddy, stay home. We don't need to see this.

Speaker 11 Oh, Mauritio is coming in hot. He's like, I'm coming out, bitches.

Speaker 11 Wow,

Speaker 1 his feet.

Speaker 2 I've seen a lot of comments like, hey, we loved you because you were like a supportive husband and great father. And now it's just kind of weird.

Speaker 11 Listen, he's single, right? I feel like men, when they're at this age, they kind of like trying to find themselves.

Speaker 2 I guess, but

Speaker 2 I really hope that's out of my system, you know?

Speaker 11 No, no, you haven't even gotten there. My husband sold a car, bought a car that was like for 25-year-old kid.
I'm like, go take it back. So I'm just going to go.

Speaker 2 But like, I got married later in life. I didn't have my first kid until into my 40s.
I'm really hoping the shirtless

Speaker 11 45 bed.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Okay. What do you eat? What does she feed you?

Speaker 1 He is like,

Speaker 11 I think that picture is not Mauritio that I know from the show, but I think also he's trying to find himself as a single guy right now. And he's like, maybe he's feeling himself.
He's loving himself.

Speaker 11 He's actually a really nice person.

Speaker 1 I don't know. He's wearing leather pants.

Speaker 2 But are we being ageists for judging him for doing this? Or is it like...

Speaker 11 No, I think you are a little bit. And I'll tell you why I think that.
I think that a lot of men, when they're in their 50s and stuff, they think I've done everything right. I've had kids.

Speaker 11 My wife is not with me anymore. So, you know, at least he's trying to put himself out there.
I think I actually kind of applaud him. Okay.

Speaker 11 Like, he's trying to, maybe he's never done this in his young years, right? And now he's feeling himself.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Did you see Royal Housewives of Miami? Julia and Lisa were apparently like fighting at the airport.

Speaker 11 Julia and who?

Speaker 6 Lisa. Julian?

Speaker 11 Yeah. And Julia? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Huh.

Speaker 11 Yeah, because Julia, because Julia is very good friends with Motishian Haitian girl.

Speaker 1 Adriana.

Speaker 11 Adriana, which I love. I think she should be full-time.

Speaker 11 Agreed.

Speaker 2 Is that the one who said you missed this sweet pussy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, she deserves to be there.

Speaker 11 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 Gave her heart

Speaker 5 in a box.

Speaker 11 I don't know. I feel like Julia is a bit a nut kiss.

Speaker 11 I think she fights with every single person. You could tell in Bravacon she wasn't getting along with all the girls.
But you can't be in a show where you're not getting along with every single person.

Speaker 5 The witnesses say Julia was shouting and leaned right in while Lisa fired back with explicitives, telling her to get out of my fucking face.

Speaker 5 And the scene reportedly played out in front of families and children.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, that's terrible.

Speaker 11 That's bad. Girls, get your shit together.
Get your shit.

Speaker 2 That is crazy that following Bravocon, they got into a public spat.

Speaker 11 You're only getting paid to fight on the show on camera. So, like, in public spaces, children are there.
Just behave.

Speaker 6 Lisa commented on it, saying, imagine just minding your own business at the airport. And then this woman aggressively berates you out of nowhere to try to get press.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 11 I'm going to say this, what I think about Julia right now. I think Julia, from what I've heard, did not have a good season.

Speaker 11 So I think she's trying to do every single thing to keep her mojito at this point because, like, what else can she give?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it is kind of giving desperate.

Speaker 11 Yes, so I can see that. I can see she's trying to do every single thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Did you follow along with the Cy Da Silva and Madison LaCroix back and forth that happened?

Speaker 11 So I did see that, okay? I do like Sai because Sai is a very good friend of my cousin, Uber.

Speaker 11 But Madison, it's the first time I saw her, I think she was wearing a polka dot dress and she said hi to me. So that was nice.
I felt like she was really sweet, but she was running to the panel.

Speaker 11 So we didn't really get to catch up and speak. I did see what happened, but then I saw that Sai actually knew who she was.
So yeah, I don't know more of that beef.

Speaker 2 I'm kind of on I I met Madison for the first time at BravoCon and she, like you said, was very sweet and very lovely. She always comes across as very like demure and almost like undramatic.

Speaker 2 So the fact that she's posting this like group chat with Sy is

Speaker 2 I'm a little shocked. I'm just I'm just surprised that Madison's getting this messy.

Speaker 6 I feel like this is like true to like old Madison from earlier seasons of Southern Charm. She's very like, yeah, if you step on me or you talk shit about me, she is not afraid to clap back.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 I saw that, but also Sai clapback was fucking good.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie. What did Sai say?

Speaker 11 She was like, I can't even pick you up out of a line.

Speaker 1 She said, I can't pick you up out of a line.

Speaker 11 They were good. It was a good banter between the two of them.
Yeah. So, yeah.
I hope they fix it.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they will.

Speaker 11 If I ever see them on a carpet next time, I'll make sure that they get along.

Speaker 1 You're mediating. You're keeping peace.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 5 Which, how do you feel about this, Chanel? Obviously, you've been on several TV shows. You know what it's like to have people talk about you on said TV show.
Do you take

Speaker 5 how people react to you and your behavior on a show personally? Or are you like, yeah, sure, it's part of the job.

Speaker 2 Like if you're doing a scene and I'm all of a sudden like, hey, love Chanel, but like she seemed kind of like a bully this episode to Jan or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 11 I personally don't take so much about it so seriously because I think a lot of viewers are forgetting this is a job these girls have.

Speaker 11 You know what I mean? It's a job.

Speaker 1 So be professional. For example, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 Yeah, because if I go to lunch with you, we're not going to be arguing at lunch, you know what I mean? I'm not going to tell you my feelings and stuff like that.

Speaker 11 But these girls go there for work and stuff like that.

Speaker 11 Like, in my season, I played a voice note that my cast knew about it, went around making it look like she never knew about it, and then at reunion, the producer, like, yep, you did know about it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 11 But try to change the mind of people not to like me, thinking like I choose somebody else over her, which never happened. You know what I mean? It's a job.

Speaker 11 So, I don't take things personally, but my favorite thing is like, you write something about me, I'm coming for you. The other day, somebody was like, oh, Ayan,

Speaker 11 you're too much. And I was like, you know what? Your mother's vagina is bigger than the hollow tunnel.
And also the traps can go through them. Like, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 Can you roast me right now? Like, imagine I wrote some nasty shit about you.

Speaker 1 Can you give me that?

Speaker 11 Well, it depends. What did you say, Nick?

Speaker 1 Yeah, what did you say?

Speaker 5 And don't leave out any details.

Speaker 2 Let's say I said Chanel

Speaker 2 never knows when to be quiet.

Speaker 11 I'll be like, Nick, this is why I get paid, okay? I get paid for my money. And I can see you do the same fucking bitch.

Speaker 1 You don't shut your mouth either.

Speaker 11 You run your mouth every single day with everybody here. I see you.
I watch you.

Speaker 1 There we go. All right.
That's my.

Speaker 11 I love you, though, so much. I love you too.
You know, I did when I saw we hugged each other.

Speaker 1 I love you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, wait.

Speaker 2 Yeah, wait, wait, yeah, when you DM'd me, you told me I was full of myself.

Speaker 1 Yes, I did.

Speaker 1 I loved it.

Speaker 11 I know. I love telling that.
Look where we are now.

Speaker 1 We're friends.

Speaker 11 I will get you guys good. We'll go to dinner next time, Amenele.

Speaker 5 So are you still living in Dubai?

Speaker 11 Yes, and no. I'm a lot in America now.
So I love it here because I'm closer to my son,

Speaker 11 16 hours away so far. I'm selling my house in Dubai at the moment.
So I think I'm going to move to the US. very soon, especially today.

Speaker 11 Like Jeff Lewis was like, you deserve to be on red carpet interviewing. Like you need to be doing things in US.
You need to be here. So, I thought, like, you know what?

Speaker 11 And the love from the fans has been incredible, and I've really appreciated it. So, I didn't even know I'm good at this shit because I'm not educated.

Speaker 5 No, you are so good at it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's what people are saying, which makes me happy.

Speaker 5 Are we moving back to Idaho?

Speaker 8 Or

Speaker 11 yes, I love Idaho.

Speaker 1 I love Idaho. You wouldn't move to LA?

Speaker 11 I would move to LA, but I wouldn't live in LA like for months.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we get it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah. So, I will be like maybe two months and then go back, two months and then go back like that.
But I don't think I can live here forever. It's so expensive.

Speaker 11 You know, I was, I went with Wells to watch Dylan, Efron, because you know, we they're my boys, right?

Speaker 11 So we went to I went to Dancing with the Stars and I'm sitting there with Wells and literally his alarm system in his house is going crazy and they're taping it so he couldn't leave the chair to go see what was going on.

Speaker 11 And there was like so many rings of his house, like somebody was breaking in because somebody already broke into his house.

Speaker 11 So I could just see this frustration that he was having because his wife is not here. He's in New York, like all these things.
And I just felt so bad because I never see that in Dubai.

Speaker 11 You know what I mean? So I felt like, oh my God. So of course I texted him and there was something to do with the Amazon driver and the dog and things like that.

Speaker 11 But just looking at him in so much agony, it was so sad to watch.

Speaker 2 You know what you should never do? Don't say that you're leaving when you're staying at home to set the alarm.

Speaker 11 I think so. I think that's what happened.
Because today Saturn's house was broken into when she was was in the house.

Speaker 1 Saturn's house?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Kathy Hilton.

Speaker 11 I didn't know about Kathy, but I knew about Saturn.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 11 Because they know you're outside LA.

Speaker 11 Don't worry, nobody can steal my stuff. I wear my husband's underwear, daytime clothes, and all that stuff.
So, whatever you're going to get is very boring.

Speaker 11 Are there vampires there?

Speaker 11 Because I want somebody to suck my blood.

Speaker 5 Why are you wanting to have your blood sucked?

Speaker 1 Oh, God, I will be the hottest vampire of life.

Speaker 1 She will live forever.

Speaker 11 I will change every single person. Like, you piss me off.

Speaker 11 I'll be the best one. So, if there's vampires out, come get me.
Yes. I want to live forever.

Speaker 5 Have you dressed as a vampire for Halloween yet?

Speaker 11 No, no. I've only dressed one time as a cleaning maid, but then I realized I don't like cleaning, so I just changed back to myself.
I went and put on a t-shirt.

Speaker 5 Were you like sexy maid?

Speaker 11 Like, no, I don't pull off sexy. Sexy is not in me.

Speaker 1 I would disagree.

Speaker 11 No, seriously, I do not pull sexy.

Speaker 1 My husband will tell you that.

Speaker 11 I pull like crazy and fun. Like, you don't want to see me try to be sexy.
It doesn't even work. It's like dry water.
Like, nothing goes.

Speaker 5 So, you do like the scary or funny costumes?

Speaker 11 Yes, yes, yes, yes. Fun stuff, you know?

Speaker 11 What do you wear for Halloween?

Speaker 1 I hate Halloween.

Speaker 5 It's my least favorite holiday. This year, my daughter was a cat and a onesie from Amazon because I don't care.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love that.

Speaker 11 Does she like cats?

Speaker 1 She loves cats.

Speaker 11 That's so cool. What is your favorite holiday? Thanksgiving is coming.

Speaker 1 Christmas is a holiday.

Speaker 2 Christmas and Fourth of July.

Speaker 11 Oh, those are my favorites.

Speaker 5 Yes. We started decorating for Christmas before Halloween.
Oh, wow. I love it so much.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 I love that too.

Speaker 1 I love that too.

Speaker 5 And my birthday, of course.

Speaker 2 We got a 15-foot tree at the lake.

Speaker 11 No, our Christmas tree is so small. Like, because I grew up Muslim, but my husband is Christian, so we have a Christmas tree, but it's like maybe here

Speaker 11 to me. But it has the most, I decorate it like three days before Christmas and then I keep it until February because I'm so lazy to remove it yeah yeah yeah exactly

Speaker 11 now you have to decorate it sooner so you can enjoy the Christmas holidays yeah I'm going back to Dubai now then I have work in London but I have to decorate before my son arrives how is your um the advocation work that you do oh yeah so I still do uh for FGM yes yes yes yes I still do it uh actually recently I was very brokenhearted because there was a a two-year-old girl that just passed away from that and it was like all over the news.

Speaker 11 So I try as much as possible to talk about it. I'm actually going to London first week of December to talk about it.
There's a big event there to discuss this.

Speaker 11 So I'm trying my best, but also I feel like every time I talk about it, people are like... they're pulled back.
They don't want to hear about it. So it's a bit tough situation.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That is tough because it's like so bad.

Speaker 1 People don't want to hear, but they need to stop. Exactly.

Speaker 5 No, it's so bad. We need to stop.

Speaker 11 Exactly. Exactly.
You understand.

Speaker 1 Yes, you get it.

Speaker 2 Well, what's next for you, Chanel?

Speaker 11 What's next for me right now is just I have my IAN beauty makeup that I'm trying to push it so hard, you know, and it's doing well in America, but I'm trying to get it more to Middle East and Africa and stuff like that.

Speaker 11 So that's where I'm really, my mind is focused on. And then trying to get my son to stop spending my money in college because he's living like he lives in my house.

Speaker 11 he's forgetting he's in college, he needs to live cheaply. Cancel that credit card, I can't because I live sometimes.
I travel, I'm so far away.

Speaker 11 If anything happens to him, I need him to have money, you know. And America, you know, the other thing is like when I'm in Dubai, the algorithm, sorry, I talk too much.

Speaker 11 The algorithm is like more about cats and dogs, and like thing. American algorithm is a bit scary when you're here in TikTok or Instagram.

Speaker 11 Two minutes, a lot of shootings, a lot of this, like kidnappings, children being people disappearing. Where are they going? A lot of people disappearing all the time.
That scares me a lot.

Speaker 11 And then like my people being house robbed and things like that. So stuff like that scares me in a way that I want him to have a credit card.

Speaker 11 If anything happens, at least I know he can get on a flight, come home or something, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That makes sense.

Speaker 2 Any fun holiday plans other than

Speaker 11 Christmas is what I'm looking forward to because my son is going to be home. He, I already know everything he wants me to buy him because he sent me a list.

Speaker 1 So sounds like my wife.

Speaker 11 I love that. So yeah, so that's that's it.
And then I'm going home to see my mom. So that's exciting after Christmas.
Yeah. What are you guys doing?

Speaker 1 We are gonna.

Speaker 2 We're gonna go into the lake house

Speaker 2 and just be you know sauna hot tub cooking. Good.
Enjoy the lake.

Speaker 2 We just rebuilt it. So it's brand new.

Speaker 11 That sounds like very fun time.

Speaker 2 Well, before we let you go, Chanel, what's next for you on Bravo? Are we gonna see you on any Bravo shows anytime soon?

Speaker 11 You know, I saw them recently announcing

Speaker 11 the Gulf Strip thing about driving around America. And when I was in America for like six weeks, I was doing a tour around America on my TikTok that went viral, right? It was called Villages.

Speaker 11 I was like, I'm in Villages of America talking about where I'm going and things like that. So I hope they've watched that because I tried to pitch that recently, by the way.

Speaker 11 I tried to pitch like me coming into America and going through America.

Speaker 11 I think like I am coming to America situation, you know, and then go through things and go through different cities and stop in housewives. Like, literally, that's what I like crazy.

Speaker 11 That's what I had that idea too, you know.

Speaker 5 So, they better cash.

Speaker 11 So, they better bring me and let me be a host and go to different places, meet up with the housewives from different states, let them show me what's going on, talk about it.

Speaker 11 And I'm friends with all of them, and then find the dramas and maybe do something amazing about helping people in the community and guiding them. So, yeah, I hope that's something that could come.

Speaker 5 Are you still friends with all Dubai, your all Dubai castmates?

Speaker 11 No, not really. I'm friends with like Stanbri, I'm friends with Talleen, Saral Madani, Nin Ali.
That's more about it.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 it's one thing I agree with Jeff Lewis. You are a star, Chanel and Ion.
So I hope Ravo finds more time for you on their screen because I think we all agree that we enjoy it.

Speaker 11 Oh, I love that. Thank you so much.
That means a lot to me. Thank you.

Speaker 2 We love you. You're the best.
Come back anytime, Chanel. Where can people find you? Where can they find your makeup? All that fun stuff.

Speaker 11 Yeah, thank you so much. So I have Ian Beauty makeup.
So if you just go to ianbeauty.com, you can find my makeup there. And you can follow me on Chanel Ayan, on TikTok, on Instagram.

Speaker 11 And thank you for the love.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Up next, we'll get into some Secret Lives of Mormon wives from Salt Lake City. And then Caroline Stanberry and her husband, Sergio.
All right, let's get into some more Mormon wives.

Speaker 2 What did you guys think of... Well, first of all, where do you guys land on the Jesse and Jordan relationship?

Speaker 10 She's better than him.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm team Jesse, especially after that barbecue situation where I'm just like

Speaker 6 her not being there and then wanting to convince Mom Talk to be on his side or have empathy for him. It just rubbed me all the wrong way.

Speaker 7 I mean, I think too, like, I'm a little biased because we had our interview with Jesse, which came out yesterday. Go check it out.
Our going deeper with Jesse Draper.

Speaker 1 And I mean,

Speaker 2 we also had an interview with Jordan, which comes out next week, but I'm just, I am curious, like, what your overall watching season three, meeting Jordan and Jesse, hearing their interview. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, that all, where do we land?

Speaker 7 I mean, I think that, like, even just part one of our interview with just Jesse, like, she goes into more detail about the emotional abuse that she had to endure with Jordan.

Speaker 7 And I mean, some of the things that she talks about in that interview are just.

Speaker 7 unimaginable. And I, I mean, you can see what led her to do what she did, how she was feeling, how low to the ground she was put.

Speaker 7 It was like she was constantly just being like, you're not good enough.

Speaker 7 And then fine, and then she meets a man who is telling her that she's beautiful and is bringing her flowers and is telling her how important and awesome she is and is giving her attention.

Speaker 7 And like, I see.

Speaker 11 how she got there.

Speaker 5 I see what led her to be.

Speaker 7 Well, then it also

Speaker 5 makes sense on Jesse's end of like, you know, after that barbecue, she meets up with all the girls and they're kind of like, this is what went down. And she's like, listen.

Speaker 5 And like that night, like he put the kids to bed, he like massaged my feet. And like, I'm, you know, kind of sitting here wondering, like, why has it taken you this long?

Speaker 5 You know, and she said in our interview, spoiler alert, like, she kind of that behavior, him like treating her good, started to make her resent him because she got to a point where she's like, Why did it have to get here?

Speaker 5 Why couldn't you just treat me like this before? And it reminds me so much of my parents. I remember my mom telling me this story a long time ago.
Like, my parents divorced after almost 20 years.

Speaker 5 And she said that, like, he, you know, wasn't a partner throughout the entire marriage.

Speaker 5 And once she kind of like dangled the idea of divorce in front of his face, he started like cleaning up and helping with dinner and helping with the kids. And my mom was like, it's just too late.

Speaker 5 Like, you know,

Speaker 5 you can't just pick up 20 years later. You can't just start doing that after our world falls apart and think it's going to change everything.

Speaker 7 It's also, what are your intentions of trying to get back together? Is it because you actually love me and you actually think that I'm special and beautiful and amazing?

Speaker 7 Or is it because, because, how is it going to look to the outside world? Because to me, that's what Jordan was most concerned about. How are we going to say this to our kids?

Speaker 7 What are people going to think? What are people going to say?

Speaker 2 Like that scene, I think it was like beginning of episode four where like Jesse and Jordan are talking. And like, it's on camera.

Speaker 2 Like, listen, I mean, I see, like, I don't want to discount what Jesse did. I mean, Jordan has the right to be hurt.
Jordan has the right to feel emasculated.

Speaker 2 Jordan has a right to, you know, feel real pain from Jesse's actions with Marciano.

Speaker 2 But to your point, like, when you add this context of Jordan's behavior, like, just one thing I've learned doing as Nick, I've learned a lot, but one of the things I've learned is that, like, some people in relationships, specifically marriage, specifically marriages with kids, you can feel really stuck.

Speaker 2 You know, if you're in a bad situation where your partner does emotionally beat you down and belittle you and criticize you, and low-key threaten you,

Speaker 2 and really kind of competes with you you and is at war with you, it can be a really terrible situation. You can truly feel trapped and not know what to do, you know, and

Speaker 2 that does happen in these situations where you don't know how to get out.

Speaker 2 You know, you're trying to live up to your commitments as a, as a wife, as a mother, and you're constantly at battle with the person you're supposed to trust the most.

Speaker 2 But this is a person who every day seemingly, allegedly, is the opposite of that, you know?

Speaker 2 And again, it's not condoning what Jesse did, but to your point, Leia, like you can, we can, I think we can all certainly empathize with how Jesse emotionally got there.

Speaker 2 And also, it really, it's, I really hope that Jordan, when I talk to him, that

Speaker 2 he would truly, I wanted to feel like he understood his actions and we saw them and he saw them the same way that we did, like how destructive they were. I don't want to spoil anything.

Speaker 2 You'll have, you know, but like in that conversation that we saw in episode four, Jordan is all victim from Jordan's point of view. You know, this is not like we, we've really hurt each other.

Speaker 2 We're really down bad.

Speaker 2 You know, I want to fix our relationship. He's, he's yelling at her.
He's like kind of low-key on camera, you know, she can do no wrong.

Speaker 2 I think I said this in Tuesday's episode, but it's like, what are you going to tell our kids? And she's like, well, we're going to try to sit down with them. What?

Speaker 2 You're going to tell your kids you're cheating? And it's just like, whoa, like clearly, you could see,

Speaker 2 you could see that side of jordan where jesse could do no right yeah you know that in an argument in the heat of the moment you could see that that side of jordan that really beats her down emotionally and um yeah

Speaker 2 i don't know i don't know else to look at it i i was i'm curious with the like the dad talk you know like the boys want to have their boy you know boys back i i think they all share this connection where they're all in support of their wives you know and their wives are the stars.

Speaker 2 But like, when I look at, like, for example, like Jacob and Jace specifically, don't compare yourself to Jordan. I hope not, right?

Speaker 2 Like, it's like, I think they want, they want to see Jordan side, you know, even Dakota wants to see Jordan side.

Speaker 2 But like, and while Dakota might have its flaws, I'm not aware of any accusations about Dakota speaking to Taylor Frankie Paul that way. And, you know, while I don't think lying

Speaker 2 if Dakota reached out to Taylor's mom's friend, like definitely a bad look, definitely hurtful.

Speaker 2 But that's not even the same stratosphere of Jordan allegedly emotionally, you know, being abusive to Jesse and belittling her and putting her down and attacking her in this way. And

Speaker 2 I don't know why the guys didn't challenge Jordan more.

Speaker 6 Well, especially when at the barbecue and Macy kind of shut him up a little bit when she was just like, yeah, but we're aware of what goes on behind closed doors.

Speaker 6 And he was kind of like, yeah, yep, it is. Like he kind of like was not like shrugging it off, but kind of like, I don't need you to say more.

Speaker 6 Where I was like, it's interesting to me that a lot of the dad talk, that their ears didn't perk up to where it's like, okay, well, what are you talking about though?

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, even like he flipped the script on them and was like, you're encouraging Jesse to have an emotional affair or to divorce him, which is a lot of people.

Speaker 7 You're encouraging her to divorce me. You're encouraging her to go and hang out with Marciano.
Like, you guys are the problem. You're encouraging this behavior.

Speaker 7 And they're like, what are you talking about? Like, you're

Speaker 7 like, now that they're privy to the information that Jesse has told them, it's like, you need to take some responsibility for what's going on in your marriage.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The problem.

Speaker 2 I also find it weird how, like, you know, they had this scene with Zach, and he was like, you know,

Speaker 2 the moms could learn something from dad talk or whatever.

Speaker 10 That made me literally, I remember watching that and immediately like texting, texting everyone, being like, this is the most insane thing I've ever done.

Speaker 1 So hold on.

Speaker 2 I want to defend Zach a little bit here. All right.
Bear with me. All right.
Let's go back to season one. We all hated Zach, right?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 He had the hair.

Speaker 1 He had the weird haircut. Yeah, I was going to say him and his hair.

Speaker 2 It was all about. And I think Zach got a bad edit.
I really do. The more I've gotten to know them.
And ever since, I'm just, you know, it's possible people get at it.

Speaker 6 He also needed to make some changes, which he did.

Speaker 2 But he did. And again, like, for all the conversations about patriarchy and what all these things, this is a man who like gave up on his dream and he's supporting his wife.

Speaker 2 And he really seems like he's been there for his wife in pre and postpartum depression. He, you know, we're at Dancing with the Stars.
He's in full dad mode.

Speaker 2 Everything that Zach has done since season one to use this opportunity to change for the better and be a supportive husband.

Speaker 2 Maybe there's things going on behind closed door I'm not aware of, but like everything we've gotten to see and I've gotten to meet them. I honestly have been really impressed, right?

Speaker 2 And I'm just saying Zach's comment like that. I think Zach's looking at himself and the work he has done, not maybe being being fully aware of the actions of some of these other men, a la Jordan.

Speaker 2 And I think Zach really has prioritized his marriage. I think Zach really, you know,

Speaker 2 in a really positive way. And I do think maybe at times some of the women can make their husbands feel like their priorities are not necessarily the family and their careers.

Speaker 2 I'm sure that's a fair feeling that some of these husbands have. How they handle it, a la Jordan versus Zach, I think are completely two different approaches.

Speaker 2 And I think that's where Zach's coming from.

Speaker 6 I was going to say, also, Zach, for watching firsthand, it's like he didn't get the grace of having these conversations.

Speaker 6 He had to watch everybody pretty much calling him a piece of shit, not really having these conversations with him.

Speaker 6 Whereas, like, I feel like with Jordan, it's everybody's trying to break down in smaller groups and have these supportive conversations and whatnot.

Speaker 6 And Zach was literally just like, you're a piece of shit, you treat your wife bad, and there's no grace given to you or your side of the story being talked about.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I think it's like, I understand what I, I, I enjoy Zach now.
I think he's, I think he's a cutie.

Speaker 1 I like him.

Speaker 10 But yeah, no, that it's just the line and the way he said it. I was just like, this is crazy.

Speaker 5 No, guys, I said this last time. Like,

Speaker 5 the constant use of mom talk, dad talk, it does make everything less serious. It really does.

Speaker 7 It's just will mom talk survive.

Speaker 10 And it's like, we're talking about emotional abuse.

Speaker 6 I did think it was really funny that his identifier for Marcelo was the chubby Italian.

Speaker 1 That's what he called him. Marcelo the chubby Italian.
The chubby Italian.

Speaker 10 No, honey, that's both dogs.

Speaker 6 And also, Marciana made a TikTok going back to that about being the chubby Italian with him just thirst dropping.

Speaker 7 If there's one thing Marciano loves to do, it's respond. Respond.
On social media.

Speaker 7 He loves responding.

Speaker 2 Even if it's damaging accusations, he's like, all right.

Speaker 5 Bring it on. I did really appreciate the conversation between Macy and Michaela around their intimacy struggles.

Speaker 5 That was just, I felt like such a like relatable conversation and the fact that I feel like every woman at some point in their lives has gone through some sort of low libido, or and they feel like there's something wrong with them, their relationship struggles.

Speaker 5 And you know, I really appreciated the two of them having that conversation.

Speaker 5 And I think, like, their friendship is just like a really beautiful thing to watch and see and evolve.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, I really appreciated it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, something about these women that I appreciate about all of them is that they're willing to put these very serious, very raw, real

Speaker 7 things on air. And they're un, you know, I mean, these things are hard to share, they're hard to talk about, and they're talking about it.

Speaker 7 And I think it just helps viewers who are going through the same or similar struggles.

Speaker 6 They're also like teaching me things like I was not aware of postpartum, but she was saying pre-part or pre-pregnancy or pre-partem depression. I was like, I didn't even know that that existed.

Speaker 6 So I'm like, that's something that we're like, I want to look into so that I'm prepared for whatever could happen in the future when I do decide to have children.

Speaker 10 The Mormon wives are teachers.

Speaker 6 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 Well, continuing on with the ladies of Utah, we have our real housewives of Salt Lake City. And Andy Cohen said this was like, what, his favorite episode?

Speaker 2 He said it was in his top 10 of housewife episodes of all time.

Speaker 5 Whitney planned a surprise potluck to cheer up Britney, but her house smells like poopy broccoli.

Speaker 5 Angie also gives all the women, minus Lisa and Meredith, Obs, high body count hair that makes them look like a rankin' bass Christmas villain, 10 out of 10.

Speaker 5 And they make her custom voice note stuffed animals.

Speaker 5 Brittany is happy because finally there's a day that's all about her, but Mary still doesn't like her because she said she was the least Christ-like person she'd ever met.

Speaker 5 Bronwyn took off her wedding ring and put in extensions. Mama.

Speaker 1 You just be throwing in. Words.

Speaker 7 Diva, mama.

Speaker 5 Brittany wants one of her rings. To prove Brittany wrong, Mary reopens her church post-renovation.
Lisa and John get lemon loaves and talk about their marital issues like adults.

Speaker 5 He feels like there's nothing else to talk about besides business. Brittany and Jared hang out and share a hug that is literally so horny, like not safe for work horny.

Speaker 5 Why was that hug so horny and long? Also, Brittany wore a cute denim dress. I did not feel like it was horny whatsoever.
I was so uncomfortable the entire time.

Speaker 5 Basically, they're on a break, but he's mad she was flirting with Captain Jason. He also thinks she's unstable because she wants a committed relationship.

Speaker 5 So she storms off into the woods, aka a running path, dramatically in tears. Bronwin works up the courage to talk to Todd about opening up their marriage by taking a dramatic sip from a Dr.

Speaker 5 Pepper, as most people entering thruffles do. Instead, he admits that he was wrong and he doesn't want a third.

Speaker 5 Then Mary's church reopens and once again, she cannot open the door of a religious institution. Love a callback.

Speaker 5 Also, Meredith and Lisa surprise the girls and show up, even though Meredith has been Mary's biggest supporter for years and she has a sprained toe, not from kicking Brittany.

Speaker 5 Remember, she fell getting out of the bath. Yeah, exactly.
And also, maybe Lisa wants a little connection with God and Jesus. God forbid a woman have grace be given to her.
Anyway, church is a rager.

Speaker 5 Mother Mary brought everyone closer to spirit, not a dry eye in the house. Also, Lisa reveals she donates tequila to the church of Satan because she does not discriminate by doctrine.

Speaker 5 This is the word of Mormon 2.0. Thanks be to Lisa.

Speaker 12 That might have been one of the funnier parts.

Speaker 1 Tequila was when Lisa was like,

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, like, of course, we give money to the church of Satan. If they want tequila, we get them to keep it.

Speaker 5 We don't discriminate.

Speaker 1 We don't discriminate.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I thought Lisa was charming there. Not because she's giving money to Satan or liquor.

Speaker 10 Well, the Church of Satan isn't actually like

Speaker 10 Satan. Yes.
Yeah. Satanism is way more about like the self anyway.

Speaker 6 But I got to give Lisa credit.

Speaker 6 I feel like this is the first season, let alone episode, where we're kind of seeing behind the closed doors of Lisa and John and that they were talking about, you know, them saying that she doesn't feel like they, like he has her back the way they used to, him saying that she's not a good listener.

Speaker 6 I'm like, it's a lot going on over a lemon loaf that I was like, oh, this is real relationship issues.

Speaker 5 And this seems like the first time you guys are actually talking about it.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, it was really interesting to hear because we haven't seen much of John. Usually we see a lot more of John in seasons, and he's been noticeably absent.

Speaker 10 He comes back, they're having this intense conversation. And another thing, did you notice his spiky little hair?

Speaker 1 Oh, anyone else notices spiky little hair?

Speaker 2 He's giving mohawk with Mali brought up his hair three times.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. I forgot to put it in the recap, but like, just shave it, go walk.

Speaker 1 Or go visit Angie. Or go visit it.

Speaker 5 go to turkey hey you know who had high body count hair john barlow john barlow had high body count hair so true it did feel a little like bouncing around to show each woman with their like relationship struggles it's like lisa then brittany then bronwin i thought the bronwin stuff was crazy right first of all like i just can't believe she's making this man have this conversation on camera I can't believe she's taking off her wedding ring.

Speaker 1 Wedding ring? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So like basically what? Allegedly was like on Twitter and looked at some bikini photos?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it sounds like she was more upset about the fact that it's public embarrassment and the fact that he is constantly.

Speaker 2 Okay, so even if it's that's even worse, that like so now she's taking off her wedding ring on camera.

Speaker 10 It sounds like to me, and this is just my read on the situation. I'm not claiming this as fact.

Speaker 10 Everything I am saying is not based on research, is that Bronwyn Loki wants to open up their marriage and is looking for a way to

Speaker 1 get him to say it fairly. Get him to yes.
That's how it works.

Speaker 5 And if this is what you want, Todd, if you're like, we can do that.

Speaker 10 We can have an arrangement.

Speaker 5 She's like, I already have a couple picked out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And he's like, no.

Speaker 10 Love to choose.

Speaker 13 Did you see the theory where it said that Bronwyn is similar to Camille Grammar?

Speaker 13 Where it's like people think Kelsey Grammer brought her on the show to give her something to like make money off of after a divorce.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 So people are thinking that is similar to Bronwyn. Obviously, no facts to that, but like...

Speaker 6 But like the Todd put Bronin on the show so that he could have an affair the other way around.

Speaker 13 So that she could have something to like do if like they divorced.

Speaker 1 To like distract.

Speaker 6 I feel like Todd's somebody though that if he wanted to leave Bronwyn, he would.

Speaker 1 I think so too.

Speaker 6 You know what I mean? Like I don't think he needs to put her on a show let alone put himself on a show.

Speaker 5 I think the more shocking part of that entire conversation was that was the furniture in their house.

Speaker 10 Having that conversation on that basic

Speaker 5 couch, I'm like, with that rug laid out, I'm like, you're making this big old man sit on this little tiny, like, it looks like a kid's couch. It looks like a is that like their furniture?

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know, she's into all like art and cool things.

Speaker 10 It is like watching the film Marriage Story, but instead of like everyone being Muppets, everything around them is a Muppet.

Speaker 5 It is just hard to take the conversation seriously when like

Speaker 5 that's what's in the environment.

Speaker 6 Very interesting furniture configurations going on throughout that house.

Speaker 10 Okay, also, we need to talk about Brittany and Jared.

Speaker 1 No, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like,

Speaker 1 this is the worst.

Speaker 1 Jared sucks. That hug.

Speaker 10 When I said it was horny, I passed the hug.

Speaker 1 You're sick.

Speaker 10 It was so long. It made me like want to crawl out of my skin.

Speaker 5 It made you horny from your quote from Rapid Recap.

Speaker 10 I meant horny in a bad way.

Speaker 2 This was the definition of gaslighting. Like, she's just like, are we going to be together? Mary trying to set her boundaries.
And he's just like, you're crazy.

Speaker 1 Britney.

Speaker 10 When she stormed off into the woods and then the woods was just a running path.

Speaker 1 And there's like people like trying to run around her. Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, my girl he's like you're be stable for more than five minutes what does that even mean i just want a committed relationship no she's like i'm trying here is yeah here is the brittany and jared timeline

Speaker 2 they date for a little bit Clearly, they're hooking up. They're acting like boyfriend and girlfriend, as many people in situations do.

Speaker 2 Brittany finally like stomachs the courage and sets a boundary saying, I want to like, what are we? Are we going to be together or not?

Speaker 2 Jared doesn't answer the question she's like well then i don't want to do this anymore and then he uses that is accusing her of being flippant and like always runs she's like she's not running she is like she's enforcing her boundary of like i don't want to keep doing this if you're not going to give me what i need and then he calls her crazy for it Okay, I hate that I'm about to do this, but this just popped into my head and I am somehow giving Jared the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 6 My confusion here, just yeah, I know, just go on this ride with me. My confusion here, though, is that he's clearly proposed to her, right?

Speaker 6 Wasn't they, weren't they engaged for a minute and then they called it off and then went on a 30-day break?

Speaker 6 So I'm also kind of like, what commitment more do you need from him other than proposing, saying that he would spend the rest of his life with you?

Speaker 9 But then who called it off?

Speaker 8 Yeah, he said. I think she called it off.
Is it her daughter?

Speaker 10 I think he had called it off before.

Speaker 2 I don't know, but what we got to see in that clip, given that Jared's barely on this show, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he chose to act this way. Now, maybe he's just doing a scene and having fun and being unserious, and he just like doesn't give a fuck what we all think of him.

Speaker 2 And he's like, I don't know, I'm just going to play a role. Or like, more likely, this is who he is.

Speaker 5 Part of me thinks it's like their four-plus.

Speaker 2 You know, it's like back to like when we were talking about Secret Lives.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, I think you can look at this situation and go, this was him on his best behavior, mic'd up on camera, trying to look good. And this is how he looks.
Imagine when he's not being watched.

Speaker 2 Imagine when he's not being filmed.

Speaker 10 but then he also at the same time i don't know if you guys saw this headline but basically he had said the story of uni the unicorn was that jared would make build-a-bears versus children and brittany mentioned that she had never gotten a build-a-bear so then he made her a build-the-bear you are love what you are love just saying there's many layers to this man i don't know

Speaker 10 now he's the guy who goes and cheats on his wife and comes home with a teddy bear i mean mean, maybe it's like the skin of an onion versus the actual layers of the onion, but there are layers.

Speaker 2 Clearly, Jared does nice things and is charming and keeps her around. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the whole point.
But he is not an emotionally stable person.

Speaker 10 No, she needs to dump that man's ass.

Speaker 2 Who's very concerned about how he feels and how he is treated. Yeah.
I don't, how did you guys handle Mary ministering?

Speaker 1 Loved it.

Speaker 8 I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Big fan of mary running her church so that's where i'm like i i know that there's a lot of stuff going on around that or has been but i don't know she just seemed so like in her place and then when she was calling out each of the housewives being like here's some words of encouragement and like when she was like whitney you have everything you need i was like

Speaker 6 nicest thing she's ever said to whitney i know and i was like i felt that And to Whitney's point, when Whitney was like, I'm surprised I'm even invited back here when she helped spread the rumors or talk about the cultish behavior of the church.

Speaker 5 Why was it so hot in there?

Speaker 1 Do we think?

Speaker 6 Dancing, the oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 I think also like fans are like a, like in like Pentecostal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like a big

Speaker 10 thing because you're Pentecostal like churches, like this whole idea of like being one like with the spirit. And like that's why there's so much emotion.

Speaker 10 Well, it's like you're moving and it's like, it's like movement like bringing you closer. And so I think that makes you sweaty.
I think God makes you sweaty in those cases.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 6 Feeling the power of the spirit.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know if this was the top 10 episode that of all time that Andy said it was, but I think it was a pretty good one. I thought last week's was better than this week.

Speaker 6 I was going to say the three below deck collabs was what did it for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. Up next, we get ready to laugh.
We have the iconic Caroline Stanberry and her husband, Sergio. They are with us talking all things BravoCon, her upcoming appearance on Traders.

Speaker 2 They're dynamite. You are really going to enjoy this interview.

Speaker 2 Our favorite part of the holidays is spending time with our family from baking cookies, decorating the house, and walking around the neighborhood. Everyone seems to be in the holiday spirit.

Speaker 2 And there's nothing that gets us in the spirit more than a Starbucks holiday beverage.

Speaker 5 Now that we have River, I'm really trying to create memories and traditions that she will carry on throughout her life.

Speaker 5 And something that I'm really loving doing, we did it last year, and obviously we're going to do it again this year, but it's...

Speaker 2 going to Starbucks, getting a holiday drink, and then driving through the neighborhoods and like looking at all the Christmas lights on all the houses and seeing all the houses decorated and like the blow-ups in everyone's front yard and like sipping on our warm hot i look forward to that holiday drink also back in my sales days when i worked from home i'd always go to a starbucks and work because i wanted to get out of the house and definitely during the holiday season i get my peppermint mocha and you just kind of see people coming in like different you kind of feel the holiday energy with people coming in during christmas time It was always just really enjoyable.

Speaker 2 I really had to get out of the house when I was stuck at home working.

Speaker 5 Well, the peppermint mocha is a Starbucks signature espresso combined with steamed milk, mocha sauce, and peppermint flavored syrup. It's topped with whipped cream and dark chocolate curls.

Speaker 1 What more could you ask for?

Speaker 5 Delicious.

Speaker 2 It's honestly how I learned to drink coffee. This was my first Starbucks.

Speaker 10 Peppermint mocha. Yeah.
We used to, when I worked there, we would put Ristretto shots in it and we would like maud it a bit.

Speaker 2 Well, it was a white chocolate mocha and then during the holiday season, I transferred over to the peppermint.

Speaker 7 There's no better feeling than when the cups turn red at Starbucks.

Speaker 9 I know.

Speaker 5 That is so true. Another favorite of mine is the caramel brulee latte.
That one is

Speaker 8 so good.

Speaker 7 Yeah. That's my favorite.

Speaker 5 The caramel brulee is Starbucks signature espresso. It's topped with whipped cream and caramel brulee topping.
Rediscover the little moments of joy that make the holidays brighter at Starbucks.

Speaker 5 Step into the warmth of the season with a visit to Starbucks where every sip makes the holidays feel a little bit more special.

Speaker 2 Well, don't forget, together is the best place to be. Connect over your holiday favorites at Starbucks.
Caroline, Sergio, welcome to the, well, Sergio, welcome to the show. Caroline, welcome back.

Speaker 12 I know, I know. I'm so excited to be here and in person.
Well, you're not even here.

Speaker 2 Well, we're not. Well, Caroline, we got to meet in person at BravoCon.
Natalie is still, yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 You were in the studio now.

Speaker 2 Natalie hasn't had the pleasure of meeting you.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I saw this happy waving hands. You were in the bar.

Speaker 1 I was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we were in between stuff. We said hi to Caroline.
Sergio, you ran off.

Speaker 1 I didn't see you guys.

Speaker 12 You know what?

Speaker 12 He was trailing behind Laser and Stephanie. When he's with them, I don't even get a look in.
So he had run ahead and they were all waiting for all of us.

Speaker 12 It's just that, you know, I could not not not stop and give you a cuddle.

Speaker 1 They're my work wife, so

Speaker 2 later. Did you enjoy BravoCon?

Speaker 1 I loved it.

Speaker 12 It was amazing. Loved it.
This is the well, this is obviously the first year that we went actually just free as a bird. We didn't take friends, we didn't take anyone.
So we were just so relaxed.

Speaker 12 And what a difference it made.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. We were just, you know, free moving around.
It was just so much better, to be honest.

Speaker 12 Seeing everybody.

Speaker 1 Loved it. What about you?

Speaker 2 We had a good time. And honestly, I was a little,

Speaker 2 I was a little nervous going in. It's It's obviously like I'm a little more introverted.
You know, the large group settings is a little more overwhelming for me.

Speaker 2 But I thought the fan, honestly, the fans, at least the people who go to BravoCon, I thought were really lovely, really engaging and friendly. It was really just a fun, like, fan fest.

Speaker 2 Like, you really felt like the connection of Bravo. People were very, I mean, the way the Bravo fans react, it's really cool to see.
Like, you guys, it's really exciting.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of great energy. So we had a great time.

Speaker 12 I forget because everyone was so lovely to me and running up to say hi. And even, you know, even the housewives that I don't get to see often, like Lisa Vanderpump was so warm.

Speaker 12 Rachel Zoe, I loved.

Speaker 12 You know, everybody came to say hi to me. And I forget, I think it's the British accent.

Speaker 1 Everybody loves it.

Speaker 1 It's the British accent in your legs.

Speaker 2 How long of a trip is it from Dubai to Las Vegas?

Speaker 12 I can't, you're going to die.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. We came from the other side of the world.

Speaker 12 We came from the Maldives, from one of my retreats. So we did 22,

Speaker 1 25,

Speaker 1 25 hours from the waiver 16 hours yeah wow so you fly to Hawaii and then Hawaii to Maldives Maldives we flew to we flew to Doha Doha Texas Texas Las Vegas yeah oh my god what's the what's the jet lag like that for that oh my god well it weirdly we're having delayed jet lag we're having it here

Speaker 12 he's been in bed every night by 6 30 since we've been in LA there was something that we landed in Vegas we got all the energy we needed landed in LA, and we're like, peace out.

Speaker 12 Everyone's like, can we see you? We're like, no.

Speaker 1 No, you can't.

Speaker 2 So, Caroline, you are on the upcoming season of Traders, which we're very excited to see. We were really excited when we found out you got cast.

Speaker 2 You seem like someone who's going to succeed in that environment. You seem very savvy.
I think you're the type of person like everyone wants to be friends with.

Speaker 2 So I feel like, you know, people will swarm to you. But like, what?

Speaker 2 I mean, I know, obviously, this season started and we don't want to spoil anything, but what can you tell us about your experience and what we can expect this season?

Speaker 12 Well, I think you're completely right. It was made for me.
I mean, as soon as I trotted on in, everyone was so nervous. I was like, oh, I'm back in boarding school.

Speaker 1 This is brilliant.

Speaker 12 So, you know, like it's exactly the way I grew up at school. So I was like, oh, you know, saying hi to everybody.
And it was just really nice. From the day one, I gravitated to Johnny Weir.

Speaker 12 But then I realized very early on that he's way too small to help me. So I needed to find a big man to do all the tasks for me.

Speaker 12 And that was really my game plan: just find any man that would do things for me. And I found Colton.

Speaker 12 So,

Speaker 1 that's the story of her life. I do everything for her, and then I was not there.
So, then I could find someone else.

Speaker 2 So, what did you do on your vacation, Sergio, while she was away and not utilizing your muscles?

Speaker 1 I had the worst time on the planet because I'm so used to staying with her all the time that I couldn't reach out to her. So, I went on holiday with my family.

Speaker 12 It was great for me. It was so peaceful.
And I was just, yeah, he was having the worst week of his, worst few weeks of his life.

Speaker 5 Literally.

Speaker 5 Sergio, how do you feel like it's going to go when they're at the round table and everyone is coming for Caroline saying she's a traitor and they're about to vote her off and she's not a traitor?

Speaker 5 Like, what is Caroline's response?

Speaker 1 I mean, Caroline, she's very smart on that way. And I think, you know, she's, you know, pretty, so she's just going to know how to handle everybody.
I think, you know.

Speaker 1 You're very good at lying as well. So I think you're...

Speaker 1 Good at lying. Thanks.

Speaker 12 I mean, white lies, darling. Only when I go to like doctors and things like that, I lie to my husband.

Speaker 1 You lie to me all the time.

Speaker 12 Yeah, all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 12 But, you know, not to everybody else, just my husband.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to see that.

Speaker 12 No, I think I was, you know, I'm, you're right. Somehow, you know, all the housewives always say it to me, me.

Speaker 12 I've become good friends with Denise Richards, and she's like, I don't know if we, there's this new show called Ultimate Road Trip.

Speaker 12 She's like, if you and I do ultimate road trips, somehow I'm just going to be working for you.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I'm like carrying my luggage and doing all that and she would you know it's just so like she just somehow everybody around her does help you doing okay you feel lucky to help yeah yeah yeah lucky to help that's somehow

Speaker 12 that's exactly how colton felt lucky to help

Speaker 1 sergio do you feel like you have competition with colton i mean i don't know if you know who he is exactly i know a little bit who he is but you know i i really never met him in person so i don't think i don't think he holds a candle to your flame sergio but i love i i love him too and actually we have the same aim you love him too yeah i do love him he's a great guy great guy Did you lie to Colton at all?

Speaker 12 Did I? Probably.

Speaker 1 I do. All the time.

Speaker 12 We're in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I probably told him I couldn't lift things and I can lift them.

Speaker 2 We'll obviously find out when the season premieres. But going in,

Speaker 2 do you get asked if you want to be a trader or a faithful? And if so, like, what did you say or what did you want to happen?

Speaker 12 Obviously, we all get asked, but I'm not going to tell you what I said. Okay.
But everybody gets asked. Everybody gets a chance.

Speaker 12 And then it's, you know, they kind of spin the bottle, I suppose, suppose, or they choose however they've chosen. I wonder if they've chosen before we even get it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe, I would say. Maybe.

Speaker 5 And then they just test out if maybe they need to switch gears or something.

Speaker 2 In your opinion, outside of yourself, of course, because I'm sure you were the most glamorous, who was,

Speaker 2 give me two or three names of the best dressed faithful slash traders that were on this show because Traders really has become a bit of a fashion show.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Oh, my God.

Speaker 12 I didn't know of her before, but my daughter is in love with her. Moira Higgins.

Speaker 1 Yes. Oh my God.

Speaker 12 Well, that woman looks like she stepped off the runway from just like every day at breakfast while we all looked desperate.

Speaker 12 She walked in looking like the front, you know, like the Versace runway supermodels advert, you know, back in the day.

Speaker 12 I was like, you know, it was game over with her. She looked fabulous.

Speaker 12 Lisa Rinna. She always brings it.

Speaker 5 Did you have fun prepping your outfits for it?

Speaker 12 Oh, I hate doing stuff like that.

Speaker 1 I just went with Hogwarts.

Speaker 12 I was like, you know, I'm going all in. I'm going to look like Hogwarts.
And I refused to have any tartan, though, because I felt like everyone had done that.

Speaker 2 Was there anyone in the group that you really didn't get on with very well?

Speaker 12 No, I got on with everyone. I mean, I look, it's one of those things, isn't it? First of all, maybe they were being horrible to me and I wouldn't have noticed because I'm on housewives, right?

Speaker 12 I mean, we are blatantly awful to each other. So if someone could be really snarky and mean and I'd be like, oh, that's so lovely of you.
So I wouldn't notice.

Speaker 12 No, there was no one I really didn't like. And I don't really have any bad moments.
I had a little confrontation with Dorinda. That would be fun to watch.
But she's an old friend, too.

Speaker 12 So it's kind of like, you know, then we're over it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You recently said that everyone was afraid of Donna Kelsey.

Speaker 1 Can you elaborate on what you meant by that?

Speaker 12 Well, I think, you know, if she was, or if you don't know if she's a, you know, traitor, anyone is a traitor or a faithful.

Speaker 12 And if she was, I think nobody wanted to vote in any kind of a way against her because they were just so scared of swifties which i think is crazy because anyone entering that game we're all on an even playing field

Speaker 12 and you know surely the swifties know it's a game we're in there to play a game no no you would think but some people like don't understand how tv is made it seems like sometimes where you know it gets a little what are we going to do just sit there and not like not not go head to head ever i don't know i mean okay well there we go let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 Speaking of housewives, Caroline, like, what can we expect, whether it's the ultimate road trip, Real Housewives of Dubai? Is there a future in Real Housewives of London for you?

Speaker 2 Like, what does your future look like on Bravo post-traders?

Speaker 12 I actually don't know, to be honest. I mean, I've managed to sort of stay in the family for this long.
I don't know how.

Speaker 12 I always call myself a stealth housewife. I've sort of

Speaker 12 stayed here relatively unscathed. So I've no idea, but I think I get on really well with Andy.
He's, you know, wants to stay here, obviously, and keep me in the business. So hopefully, I'll get.

Speaker 12 I'd love to do Ultimate Road Trip with Larsa Pippin and Denise Richards, would be hilarious.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We love Ultimate River.

Speaker 5 Do they allow husbands on road trip, or is it just a huge?

Speaker 1 Oh, I mean, if they did, we should shove Sergio in the back. Yeah, I feel like, Sergio, we're big fans of you, man.

Speaker 2 Like, you're great comedic relief.

Speaker 2 As far as housewives' husbands go, there's a lot of duds. There's a lot of, like, we don't need him.

Speaker 2 But we think the world of you. Like, it's

Speaker 2 really, you're charming and fun.

Speaker 12 He's also too, he's too nice for us all. That's the problem.

Speaker 1 And that's horrible to me, all of them. Yes, we are.

Speaker 12 And he works for all of us. Larsa's like his sister.

Speaker 1 Literally. Oh my God.
In Las Vegas, I was like a battler for the three of them. Estéfani Jochet.
Larsa and Caroline.

Speaker 9 Yes. Were you like their, were you like,

Speaker 5 is Larsa dating right now?

Speaker 1 Or is she? Yeah, she's with a man. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Jeff.

Speaker 12 We had a a really good so we were on the same floor. We moved to the encore and we had like me, Larsa and Stephanie all had our doors open singing.

Speaker 1 Interconnecting rooms, so it was amazing.

Speaker 12 So we had breakfast every day together and it was just so fun running to each other's bedrooms, making TikToks together. We were idiots.

Speaker 1 I went to the sour and Tom was singing in the source.

Speaker 1 He was like, yeah. You're a singer, Sergio? No, no, I'm not a singer.

Speaker 12 He's the worst.

Speaker 2 Why'd you guys switch hotels?

Speaker 12 Because Larsa, well, Stephanie was staying there originally. Then Larsa moved, moved, and I was sharing Larsa's glam, so I don't know how that was going to work unless I switched.
Okay.

Speaker 12 So that kind of was like the girls made the difference.

Speaker 2 Larsa's like, I'm staying at the Encore, you all need to switch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we kind of work together there. Yeah.
Oh, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 Sergio, do you have a favorite housewife besides Larsa and Stephanie?

Speaker 1 Ooh. I mean, I love a lot of them.
I think Meredith, I love her. Oh, Meredith.
Oh, Sally City.

Speaker 12 So I've known her a very, very long time, too. In fact, I think she would hold me responsible for making her do housewives.
housewives.

Speaker 12 She always goes, I don't know whether I want to like slap you or hug you. I mean, probably a bit of both, to be honest.

Speaker 2 How did you meet Meredith?

Speaker 12 London, just the same sort of circle. Same way I met Dorinda.
We've all knew each other pretty much before the shows, which is.

Speaker 1 I love her. She's just amazing.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And he's very sexy. And now they're both DJs.
What the hell?

Speaker 2 Are you watching Salt Lake at all, Carolyn?

Speaker 12 Not this season yet, but I will. I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 2 It's awesome.

Speaker 12 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, and Meredith was, Meredith is in a bit of a scandal right now.
She's, she's giving high school bully at the moment, but whatever. Oh, dear.

Speaker 12 But, you know, I mean, I saw one clip where she's got an axe through her head and she's arguing. That's my favorite.
That is just so her.

Speaker 12 I met some people that made memes of it. I just think she's amazing.
She's so funny, but she's not a bully in real life. So I'd have to say probably the girls.

Speaker 5 So did you, so did you just tell her she should do housewives? Like, how did you, how are you responsible for her getting?

Speaker 12 I tell everybody they should do housewives. If you've been asked, you have to do it.
Try it. You can always get out.
You can't get back in. I think it's one hell of an experience.

Speaker 12 And it hasn't changed anything in the bad way for me. So you can use it for what you want.

Speaker 12 It's always been an amazing experience. Do I want to shoot myself while I'm filming it? Probably.
But afterwards, I'm like, oh, let's do it again.

Speaker 2 See, Carolyn epitomizes like what you want in a housewife. Yeah.
You know, class, confidence, sass.

Speaker 1 You're rich.

Speaker 1 Not taking it too seriously.

Speaker 2 Like, not all the housewives kind of have that full package.

Speaker 12 It's not life, and that's the problem. I think what happens is it becomes, you know, I think boarding school prepared me for it.

Speaker 12 I want to go in, I want to do my job, and then I want to go home for the holidays. Yeah.
And I don't want to speak to any of you again.

Speaker 2 It doesn't become your whole identity. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yes. And I think a lot of people can't do that.

Speaker 1 Caroline's Harley is like a piece of rock. There's really no feelings going through.
Yeah. So it's amazing.

Speaker 5 What is, Sergio, how does Caroline like show love? What's like her love language?

Speaker 1 There's not really a love language from Caroline. That's a hog.

Speaker 1 When I met her, it's like a rock. Yeah, literally.
When I met her, it was very funny because, you know, I'm so emotional, Latino. I was going to her, and she literally just couldn't handle it.

Speaker 12 Do you remember that movie, Say Anything?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 When throwing the rocks at my window, he was doing that.

Speaker 2 He was constantly holding a boob.

Speaker 1 And I'm like,

Speaker 1 literally.

Speaker 12 100%. Like, I love you.

Speaker 12 And I'm like, oh, my God. You remember?

Speaker 1 Nausica so much better, but you know, it took a while to, you know, for her, you know, to kind of like melt into a little bit of a business. I'm more, I'm more practical.

Speaker 12 Practical. Well, he's screaming, I'm lovely.
I'm like, you don't love me. You don't even know me.

Speaker 1 We were recently actually in New York in a red light. And she goes to me.

Speaker 12 No, he put his arm around me, and I can't walk with his arm around me. It drives me nuts.
I'm like, get the fuck off.

Speaker 1 No, but literally. And there was a couple

Speaker 1 behind us.

Speaker 12 And they're like, ma'am, are you okay? I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm fine. That's my husband.

Speaker 1 If you listen to us during the day, I mean, I get literally rejection all the time, and I get a good one once in a while.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that woman behind you clearly watched one of those human trafficking videos. Yeah, you see a woman of distrust say something.

Speaker 12 Yeah, 100%. It was lucky the husband didn't wrestle him to the ground off me.

Speaker 1 And I was like,

Speaker 5 So, Sergio, why did you fall in love with Caroline if she has a heart of rocks and she lies a lot?

Speaker 1 Very good question. I don't know.

Speaker 12 I lie about surgical procedures. Let's just put it.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, this is horrible. I'm not coming back to LA in my entire life.
Every time we come here, she gets something done. So it's like a recovery center because we just literally arrived.

Speaker 1 We stay in her friend's house in the middle.

Speaker 12 She's looking so

Speaker 1 now she's puffy. Look at her.
She's like a battle.

Speaker 1 Why are you puffy, Caroline? Yeah,

Speaker 2 where did you get done this time?

Speaker 1 Salmon spoke. Salmon is salmon spoilers.

Speaker 12 But I've only done it topically before. And this time I went to my doctor who's a surgeon.

Speaker 12 So he put it under, I don't know what it is called, but all the way down into the layers because then it will, apparently, it's like your skin drinking a glass of water.

Speaker 12 And in about two or three days, I'm going to have Korean glass skins.

Speaker 1 They're lying to you. You can all eat.

Speaker 2 Can you report back, Caroline?

Speaker 12 Yeah. I'll report back.
This is day two, okay? I do look a bit puffy. I do understand that, but my girlfriend looks worse.
And I made her do it too. She's like, why?

Speaker 12 I never do anything except when you come to town. She's like, it's cost me a fortune.
I spent like $15,000 since you've been here. And I'm like, and I look awful.
I can't even see my boyfriend.

Speaker 12 She's like, I will need you to leave.

Speaker 1 Caroline does that all the time. She looks so beautiful at the rubber car.
And now it's like, you know, look at that.

Speaker 12 I'll look beautiful again by the time I go home.

Speaker 5 Sergio, she's kind of like your guinea pig. Like, she's showing you the things that you can at some point try.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing anything.

Speaker 12 I've put him off. You know, when I went for my facelift, I told him I was going for threads and that I'd be out in an hour.

Speaker 1 I was like, I went to get a smoothie, flowers.

Speaker 12 I couldn't even drink, obviously.

Speaker 1 And she comes out fully wrapped in a wheelchair. And I start crying, obviously.
I'm like, where's my wife?

Speaker 12 We're lying in bed here. And he's like, because I was staying with the same person that I recovered in her house.
That's why she's like, this is not a recovery center. We're in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 12 And she's like, he's like.

Speaker 1 in the first night he's like i can't sleep here i have terrible memories here the worst nightmares of my life literally the last three days in la because i kind of it just brings me back to all those moments that you know

Speaker 1 I look great. You do? She does look great.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 You're going to see from there. You're too far.

Speaker 1 I can see from your shoes.

Speaker 12 I'm just puffy and I'm 50 this year. I look amazing.

Speaker 1 No, you look amazing. You do.
Yeah. You do.
Sergio, have you seen her legs? Yeah, because he's wearing Piyama today. I don't know what he's wearing.

Speaker 1 You don't like her.

Speaker 12 They're silk pants. They're the whole, they're like the fashion.
I mean, I had a very expensive stylist do this for me. Do I need to fire her?

Speaker 1 Yes. No.

Speaker 2 Personal question.

Speaker 12 are you guys still trying to have a baby yes please he really wants it we are we're talking to a um what are they a surrogate company right now we're just waiting to hear um the only reason I'm considering it is because we're building another house at the moment

Speaker 1 because I can it can go different wings he just wants to push the baby in a

Speaker 1 wing in another country somewhere another wing that's not having a baby for you and your mother because he wants if the baby comes the mother comes too so I have two things I'm working on the pipeline my mom first moving on with us, and then later the baby.

Speaker 12 Then I would. His mother's 10 years older than me.
She's not dying anytime soon, darling.

Speaker 1 Obviously, she's not dying.

Speaker 1 Are you listening to what he's saying?

Speaker 5 Caroline, do you and your mother-in-law have a good relationship?

Speaker 12 No, we have a great relationship. I don't want my mother to move in with me either.

Speaker 1 She hates her every time she's in her. I don't hate her.

Speaker 12 I don't want another human in my house. But in another way,

Speaker 1 it's not another human, honey.

Speaker 12 But your mother's going to be here for another 50 years.

Speaker 2 I hope so. All I know from this interview is I would love to double date with you guys.

Speaker 12 Why? Because we make you feel better about your relationship.

Speaker 5 Sergio, do you want a boy or a girl?

Speaker 1 I always wanted a girl, actually. We've got a boy.

Speaker 1 Yes, which is a good thing too, honey. Yeah, we've got a boy.
We got a boy, actually, and we got 19 eggs. Then it went down to five, and then we got one genetically perfect.
We have one ready to go.

Speaker 12 We have one go at this if we want to.

Speaker 1 Which I think the name is going to be, uh what was the name?

Speaker 12 I can't remember.

Speaker 1 You named it.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, I forgot my baby's name. You forgot your baby's name.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 Hey you works.

Speaker 12 Hey you, you little shit.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 2 So when you go, are you guys going back to Dubai? Like what's next on this road trip? How long are you in town for?

Speaker 12 Yeah, we go straight. We're going back to Dubai.

Speaker 1 We're there a week and then we're going to Vietnam. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And we're going to Vietnam for our wedding anniversary.

Speaker 1 Giving five years. Oh, congratulations.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 What is the gift for five years?

Speaker 12 That this trip. He's giving me this trip.
That's.

Speaker 1 What about you? What are you giving me?

Speaker 12 I don't know. You might probably be sexual favors on that trip.
Spirit.

Speaker 1 Sounds amazing. Let's be real, Sergio.

Speaker 2 Honestly, that's all we need.

Speaker 1 Simple. I don't need a badge.
Simple, yeah. I only get the meme birthdays that misfas and

Speaker 1 whatever. Three times a year.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 If I'm lucky, because it's not happening recently. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Are y'all friends with anyone from Dubai still? Is there anyone you won't ever talk to again?

Speaker 12 I'm friends with Chanel and with

Speaker 12 Taleen and Nina Ali, and the rest I probably won't speak to again. Oh, and no,

Speaker 12 Sarah Almadani, I'm friends with. The rest I can live without, yes.
The rest I can live without. They're not on my Christmas list.

Speaker 5 And Sergei, is your answer Caroline's answer?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I was very close with Sarah Mani as a sister, and Caroline kind kind of like prohibited get me closer to her.

Speaker 12 Closer to her. You couldn't have been any closer.
Any closer. You'd have been on top of her.

Speaker 2 Are there any other franchises of housewives you're watching right now these days?

Speaker 12 All of them. I watch all of them.
Like as they come out.

Speaker 2 Are you watching OC? Are you caught up?

Speaker 12 No, I haven't caught up with the OC and I haven't caught up with Salt Lake. So I've watched I'm starting with Beverly Hills, which I love.

Speaker 12 What else have we watched lately? I've watched Botomic, actually.

Speaker 1 Oh, Botomic's so good this season. Yeah.
I was going to say Rachel Zoe, talking about housewives, I actually really love her too.

Speaker 12 Oh, he was like, you want to tell them as well how sexy she is? He thinks he's really sexy.

Speaker 1 He walks with this like, you know, I don't know, manners. It's just very...

Speaker 12 He's decided that Rachel Zoe doesn't walk. She glides.

Speaker 1 She glides. She just flows.
She just glides.

Speaker 5 How does Meredith walk?

Speaker 12 Because the authors think she's stomps like me.

Speaker 1 Meredith is like...

Speaker 12 Meredith walks exactly like me.

Speaker 1 Literally, my wife, if you didn't notice, is like a duck walking.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 12 He has to clear the way. He gets people to move out of the way because he thinks that I'm going to kick them as well.

Speaker 5 What's going to be your plan, Sergio, when you have a sleeping baby and Caroline's stomping around the house?

Speaker 1 No, I'm going to carry the baby. She's not going to do anything.
I'm not going to do anything. I've already told him.
He's going to be mom, dad. Which I'm happy.

Speaker 1 We'll have the papoos here and just take it around everywhere. He's on his own with my mother.

Speaker 5 Sergio will be the first man to figure out how to breastfeed, how to carry his other baby.

Speaker 12 I'm going to have to do that. You think he hasn't already? Yeah, he's working on it.

Speaker 1 Somehow, these are going to give milk. I don't know how, but they'll give you a milk.

Speaker 12 You'll get those bags, those special bags that just does it for you.

Speaker 2 Any opinions, Caroline, on Vicki being brought back to the LC?

Speaker 12 Yes, I was the first to congratulate her. We were on the same table that night.
Actually, it was me, Vicki, Denise. We had a really great table.
And I have to say, I didn't even know I had tear ducks.

Speaker 12 I may have shed a little tear. I was so happy for her because I can't imagine how hard it is to be the one that started that show and watch it go on without you.

Speaker 12 And it's not that she really didn't want to be there. She wanted to be there and she deserves it, really deserves it.
And she should be there. She should be there.

Speaker 1 She's amazing.

Speaker 12 I love her. Yeah, we really get on with Vicky.
And

Speaker 12 yeah, I'm her number one fan. I honestly am.
So I really am so happy for her.

Speaker 5 Going back to Potomac, what are your thoughts on Wendy Ocepho and all that's going on with her?

Speaker 12 Wendy, is that the

Speaker 5 alleged, yeah, alleged insurance fraud?

Speaker 12 I just, what is it with all the housewives and going to jail and fraud? Ladies, why do people think going on housewives will make you too obvious to go or be caught? It doesn't work like that.

Speaker 12 It doesn't work like that. And they keep telling you and showing you that they're taking the housewives to jail.
So I don't get it.

Speaker 12 It's so stupid on so many levels. If you have any skeletons in your closet, stay away from housewives.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's all I do.

Speaker 2 Specifically, if you're doing illegal things,

Speaker 1 specifically scamming people from out of money.

Speaker 12 Fraud, and I saw it even with, like, I would see it even with the girls on my show that would do stupid things like, I paid seven million dollars in cash.

Speaker 12 And you're like, even if you did, bitch, why would you put it on TV?

Speaker 1 Like, why?

Speaker 12 Like, have you ever done any business in your entire life that you don't understand that gets you sent to jail? Nobody pays for anything in cash anymore. And if you are, it's under the table.

Speaker 12 So shut up.

Speaker 1 It's crazy to me.

Speaker 12 Like they are, you know, and then at the same time, they're going, well, I don't have a mortgage. You have a mortgage.
I'm like, the whole world uses their money for different things.

Speaker 12 It's like, all it does is highlight how stupid these women honestly are

Speaker 12 that they think it's a flex to buy something in cash that big. It is not a flex.

Speaker 12 First of all, there are, you know, it doesn't prove anything other than you're an idiot or you're doing a completely shady business.

Speaker 12 So, no, I just, I wish they'd go back to college for a few years actually and understand how business really works. That makes me embarrassed to be on the show.

Speaker 12 Those things really make me embarrassed.

Speaker 2 I empathize with that take. I mean just yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 Like it's a it's an incredible franchise and like when your peers whether you know them or not or have met them like if you're a housewife you're lumped together, right?

Speaker 2 Like people see you as the same. And so when some of your peers are out there doing dumb and illegal shit or just making the other ones look bad, you get pissed off.

Speaker 12 i totally get it and also you know i think to myself like how stupid are you you've just buried your husband yeah you've buried your husband not me you're not burying me you've just buried your husband in a ton of shit that he's going to have to get out of you know even if it's not true they're coming for you to have a good look to make sure it's not true why

Speaker 12 would you put yourself in these positions, ladies? I mean, like, why? So you can show off that you've got more than the others?

Speaker 5 I don't understand i make me the poorest housewife well not possible

Speaker 2 yeah but that's because you actually have money and that's why you're comfortable saying that because you're not trying to like it's the ones who don't really have the money but again I mean, maybe it's because I'm British.

Speaker 12 I've never been to a dinner party and you go, oh, you know, how many bedrooms do you have? Oh, you know, how much money do you have in the bank? Oh, like, it's just not really a thing.

Speaker 12 Oh, here's my title deed. You know, like, it's so weird to me that this is still, you know, everyone's like, like, Are you going to bring your title?

Speaker 12 Because when they said you don't, you've never owned a home or whatever it was on mine. And then Andy Cohen was the one that actually goes, I think we filmed at all the homes.

Speaker 12 But I'm like, they're like, aren't you going to bring your title deeds? And aren't you going to bring this? And I'm like, no, I'm not. Like, no, I'm actually not.
Why would I do that? It's so vulgar.

Speaker 12 So, like, if you've watched the show or listened to my podcast, you know exactly who I am. And if you haven't, then catch up.
That's it.

Speaker 1 My thing is the British on you.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I would never.

Speaker 1 It's how you were brought up. You know, you just don't share those things.

Speaker 12 You don't share those things. It's like, it is so low class to have to do that or to do that with your friends.

Speaker 1 To prove anything, why would you, you know, you rise above.

Speaker 2 Bravo, you know what? I have a show idea for Bravo. Caroline hosts and she teaches some of the housewives or maybe all.

Speaker 1 Etiquette. Etiquette classes.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that would be so fun.

Speaker 10 We should bring back charm school.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's charm school. It's charm school for housewives.
It's like boot camp for housewives.

Speaker 12 I was a debutant back in the day. Yeah, there you go.
You're welcome, Andy.

Speaker 1 Caroline.

Speaker 2 Who wouldn't watch that? I would

Speaker 2 watch that.

Speaker 12 But I mean, I'm not sure which housewives would be signing up for me to put marbles in their mouths.

Speaker 2 Oh, come on. We can find some desperate ones.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Caroline, Sergio, this is so much fun. Please, anytime you're in town, come back.
We definitely have to double date. We're all in the same city together.

Speaker 5 Wait, real quick, Sergio, what are you getting Caroline for Christmas? Oh,

Speaker 1 that's a good question.

Speaker 5 Are you good at Christmas gifts? Walter.

Speaker 1 I'm very good. I love

Speaker 1 show them Walter. Oh my God, I have to show you.
Oh, my God. I don't have my phone here.
I will tell you later. So, Caroline's little puppy died recently, like two weeks ago.

Speaker 12 My favorite Pomeranian.

Speaker 1 And he was the baby. That's why I'm pushing for my baby now.
But at the same time, we bought another puppy, which is the cutest thing in the planet.

Speaker 12 He's a, you've got to see it. He's a Brussels Griffon.

Speaker 1 He's like ugly, ugly, ugly.

Speaker 12 Have you seen him?

Speaker 12 He's got the, yeah, and he's called Walter. It is so good.

Speaker 1 Let me find it here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But actually, her 50th camp,

Speaker 1 she's turning 50 in April, so I'm still working on that.

Speaker 5 Sergio, do you like the breeds of dogs?

Speaker 1 I never had dogs before, but then after living with Caroline, there's just our house is chaos. There's turtles, there's dogs, there's everything.
So now, yeah, I kind of like them actually now.

Speaker 1 Did you say turtles? Turtles. Oh, yeah, I have a tortoise free in my house.
Look at the eyes of this puppy.

Speaker 12 Oh, wow. Can you see?

Speaker 1 Zoom in. Can you see?

Speaker 12 And he's got

Speaker 12 an upside-down, like, he looks miserable. So, like, he's like, he's ugly.

Speaker 1 he's literally caroline he's a crumpy old

Speaker 2 he's actually perfect did he also have sperm in his face

Speaker 12 he's so grumpy and cute

Speaker 1 caroline literally we have two normal dogs we just have to have like a weird one i need to have one weird one yeah

Speaker 5 so now which one is your favorite since your favorite one passed away walter

Speaker 12 walter's going to be mine he's he's called a velcro dog which means that he only wants to be with me which is how my i don't know if you saw my pomeranian it had no hair and he used to have epilepsy thyroid problems the ugliest thing in the planet yes no and he bit everybody he bit him for five years of his i couldn't go to bed i had to wait until he just moved you know move yeah so like um this sergio's like i could tell my friends now you can sit anywhere you like even though he bit us all he loved him he was just like cramp a crumpy you know yeah yeah like caroline yeah exactly like me no you understand through the day she's so crumpy that even driving here oh my gosh it was driving me crazy what'd you do driving here Because he's like, you drive like a grandpa.

Speaker 11 Oh, my God.

Speaker 12 He drives so slow. People were walking.
Grandparents were walking past our car. I'm like, I don't understand.
Like, you know, you're meant to like use the throttle.

Speaker 12 See, when I had a driver in London, I used to make him sit next to me because the only thing I didn't like doing was parking.

Speaker 1 He's a warmer.

Speaker 12 But I drive like a, you know, Formula One.

Speaker 1 Like a lunatic, literally.

Speaker 12 Yeah, lunatic. He was so scared.
He used to. You see the bumps?

Speaker 1 She literally.

Speaker 1 Like, she just flies.

Speaker 12 Everyone's like, why do you have a driver if you're driving? And I'm like, so he can park.

Speaker 5 How many speeding tickets have you gotten?

Speaker 12 Oh, my God. Every day.
Every day. Every day in Juba.

Speaker 1 Every week, I'm just getting a lot of people.

Speaker 12 It would be cheaper for me to have two drivers.

Speaker 2 Every week, she's getting at least seven, eight tickets a week.

Speaker 1 And they're a fortune. They're parked over in Dubai.

Speaker 12 No, no, they're just cameras.

Speaker 1 Just cameras everywhere.

Speaker 12 They just come straight through.

Speaker 1 Yes. But Caroline is like typical, you know, like.

Speaker 2 So, like, if you're like one mile over, you get a ticket?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. And I bought it.
Maybe

Speaker 1 five kilometers over.

Speaker 12 I bought this Bentley, and it's like a boat. I don't even realize how fast it goes.
It goes really, really fast. And

Speaker 12 you don't feel it. I don't like driving anymore.

Speaker 12 It's too expensive of me to drive.

Speaker 1 I can't afford it.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. This has been so much fun.
You have to come back.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so much fun. Come back.
Let's double date when you guys are in town. We appreciate you guys.
That will do it for today's episode. Thank you to all our guests.
including Caroline and Sergio.

Speaker 2 Do not forget to check out the Going Deeper episode with Jesse Draper out now. We will see you back.
Oh, tomorrow. Don't forget.

Speaker 2 It's a very special episode of the Special Forces Reunion is out tomorrow. So be sure to check that out.
Thank you to all our guests this week. It's been a great week, and we'll see you back tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Bye-bye.

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