E890 - Southern Charm w/ Venita, Bachelor w/ Alexe, Love Is Blind, Martin Kove, Traitors, and Summer House

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a free $60 gift. That's T-H-R-I-V-E market me when he came home from his three-day trip in New York.
That's not true. He walked in and he was like, River! Dogs! Nice to see you.
I'm the fourth in line. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy.
That's crazy. Absolutely not true.
No, she's ahead of Steve after Jeff. Oh my God.
I went to New York for our wedding. Our wedding.
Oh my God. Congratulations.
I came back. I went to New York.
Let's try it one more time. I went to New York for our friend Emma's wedding and her husband Adam.
Good friends. You guys may know Emma Gray.
She was a writer for HuffPost. Well, I went by myself.
So, you know, sometimes when you're a married couple, you have a kid, you have to divide and conquer. I went as a representative of the family.
I love Emma. I wish I would have been at the wedding.
It's the flight to New York that I just cannot do. And you know what's fucked up about it is that when I'm with Nick, he puts us in row 50.
When he's by himself, he's like, oh, let me upgrade to premium select plus comfort plus. But when he's with me, he's like, we'll sit by the bathrooms.
I got an upgrade option. He sent me a selfie on the plane.
And I'm like, I noticed that there's an emblem on that seat right there. And that's not on row 50.
I would know. Is the math mathing, though? Is two coach seats the price of first class? I don't give a fuck.
I birthed his child. I didn't fly first class.
I didn't fly first class I carried his child and then I burst her You think that like I just like You could check yourself in Nick and then have her in the first class When Nally's done complaining Sorry You know it's a good complaint but go ahead Well I'm just saying like Nally didn't get, this is another... Not to pivot, but question for the points people out there.
I'm not a bunch of a points person. Fine.
Card to card points, airline points. I got them.
I started using them. I'm a Delta points person.
Natalie has an account, but hasn't been accumulating them. So when we travel together, she doesn't get the perks of an upgrade.
Yeah. Because you're stealing her points.
No used my sky miles number to book our ticket so i don't get any anyways i am curious though it's just like from an airline standpoint what is the point of having points like i'm a i'm a i'm a platinum diamond something bullshit what does that even mean what it means what i think it means is that instead of being like not even on the upgrade list i'm like 15th so like what's the fucking point because you can use your points to upgrade like every two years yeah i can buy myself a free plane ride yeah and that's after a lot of money spent true uh sometimes gives you like access to lounges i don't need your fucking lounges he won't let me go in the lounges either because they charge him $50 to let me go in. If you got her, Scott points up.
It's kind of like the McDonald's. I don't know the point of community food, even though it's private community food.
Oh my God, this is why I love going to the airport. This is why I have no problem being there two hours early.
I get to sit down. Just the heat buffet food? Oh my God, just to relax.
I can can like plug in my phone. Yeah, their lounge is nice.
Their lounges are nice. You can have a private area to yourself if you want.
You can sit amongst people. You can grab a drink at the bar.
You can sit outside. The food's garbage.
Some of it, but some of it's decent. You got a nice coffee machine.
Sure. You have a coffee machine.
Would you rather have a $20 muffin from Earth Cafe? So true. No, he made me get a turkey sub from Jersey Mike's at 7 a.m.
Yeah. Would you rather fight for your life in the line of Panda Express? No, I fought for my life in the bathroom later on that day.
Exactly. So be grateful.
There are private bathrooms in the lounge that go from the ceiling to the floor. Some of us have only ever heard of the Delta Lounge.
Okay. I've only ever seen the sign on the outside.
Mary, it's nothing special. I don't believe that until I see it with my own two eyes.
I'll take you. Oh, it's something special.
I would love to show you that experience. I think I would love it.
I love free things. I thought you were going to complain about my phone being I knew not to start.
Oh my god, yes. That's another thing.
So he's gone. He's gone in New York.
I'm home alone with our one-year-old, who is in all that toddler stage.

She is mischievous, and she is naughty, and she is very fun.

But she's a lot.

Yeah.

And Nick's just dilly-dallying in New York City, like, getting coffee here, getting lunch here, shopping here.

And, like, I'm home fighting for my life.

And I text him. I was getting our daughter no sorry hubby heart has his notifications silenced i'm like the fuck notify anyway notify then i go to call him immediately to voicemail i'm like the fact that i have to call you twice and notify my text messages when i'm home alone with your baby is crazy i didn't know i didn't know my phone if i were getting'd be like, hold on one second.
I have to call him one more time because it's on Do Not Disturb. And that's bizarre.
Nick, your phone has been on Do Not Disturb for months. I've never put it on there.
If not a year. You just did.
Well, I just turned it off. Fine.
It's a laptop. His laptop's on Do Not Disturb and it's broken.
But like, this is... Where's my laptop's fixed now? So you can turn it off.
I guess. Turn it off.
So, yeah, this is just your choice. What do you mean? Do you add contacts to your favorites? And ask who's on it.
Not his wife. Well, because I was going to say that typically.
Yes, I have a favorites list. It hasn't been updated since 2012.
It's like his parents and all of his buddies. Nowhere is his wife.
Red flag. Literally, people from like 12 years ago.
Is that what happens? If you're on a favorites list. You're not.
You get. You get bumped.
I'm pretty sure that like. You get like almost like.
Like. Get to skip the.
Do not disturb. Or like if you call them.
Their calls will go through. Yeah.
On your favorites list. You can also call twice.
And it goes through the. Do not disturb.
Right. Yes.
I had to call twice. Every time I wanted to reach him.
Which felt insane. Since I was.
I felt insane since i got a scolding and then he texted me then then he felt the need to be like can you have lunch ready by time i get home from the airport i'm like oh no um i mean then i'm like well we have like the mobile dog rumors coming to like groom the dogs out front i'm like i can't leave the house i always and then i'm like can you pick up? And then he goes, oh, so now I have errands.

Like, I asked for lunch to be ready, but I have errands instead.

And I said, don't you fucking dare.

I'm not the one.

Insane for you to complain.

And he said, on my way.

That's kind of like this wife.

I love it.

Did you hear about the wife that returned home from surgery to a complaint from her husband?

This is so me coded.

It is so me.

Would you guys like to hear about it?

Go ahead.

Okay, so basically... I love it.
Did you hear about the wife that returned home from surgery to a complaint from her husband?

This is so me coded. It is so me.
Would you guys like to hear about it? Go ahead. Okay, so basically this woman comes home from gallbladder surgery.
Very excited to rest and relax in her own home with her family. Very soon after laying down on the couch, her husband brought up a frustration he had with her once again right after she got home from surgery.
What was the frustration? Basically, he expressed that he wants her to stop putting his athletic shirts in the dryer, something he had asked her to do before. How many times did he ask her? It doesn't matter.
She just got home from surgery. She was frustrated that this was the time he decided to bring it up to her.
Instead of checking in and asking if she needed anything after the surgery, she told him to do his own laundry from now on if he doesn't like the way she does it yep the amount of times that nick has complained about something that i've like put in his suitcase

because i'll pack the family's luggage she packs her suitcase for you oh do we need to have a list

of all the things i do oh he doesn't he doesn't get the remote at night he doesn't get the water

he doesn't do the nightly errands and he doesn't back for himself and he'll be like and he'll be

like why did you pack me this what the hell like where's my you only packed me t-shirts and shorts like you know i hate shorts all right well you want to get into that story you want to get into that story one one time that's the first time nally packed me and she's referring to this one particular time where i didn't let up because where did we go i forget was it our honeymoon yes it was our honeymoon i was on honeymoon she was like i'm going to pack for you i love my love i'm going to pack for you yes acts of service acts of service yes yes and she had she looked beautiful by the way i went my wife on her honeymoon looked stunning she had a variety of and selections. I see where this is going.
I had

a pair of pants and maybe

two shirts. Sorry, I didn't know he wanted

all these jeans in Puerto Rico.

I was like,

you packed for me?

She packed me like three items.

What was in the rest of the suitcase?

Great question.

More of her stuff. Okay.

Well, she does have the photos and the needs to look nice and the dinners. And thank you.
Yeah. Anyways.
I love you. I love you too.
How are your flowers? They were absolutely beautiful. He did send me some flowers and said, miss you.
You love flowers? I do love flowers. Well, Nick is really, he's really good about flowers.
Like, and I know it's because he has the florist on speed dial and he'll just, the florist text him being like hey buddy it's uh st patrick's day you want to send some flowers and nick's like yeah sure happy st patty's day love nick do they really remind you no he did on valentine's day because i accidentally read the text i sent her no what happened was i sent her flowers just because uh-huhhuh. That's sweet.
I spent, I was thinking about it.

About $12,000 a year on my wife for flowers.

Bougie flowers.

Does it come with a vase?

It does.

Those vases are nice.

I have.

But also, so I have so, and now because he is so gracious with his flowers, I have nowhere

to put these vases.

And I'm like, I can't just throw these away.

Like, these are such nice.

So there's.

I sent him just because.

And anyways, it was a week and a half away for Valentine's Day.

And he was like, hey, we're getting busy for Valentine's's day would you like to get on the uh on the sketch and i was like sure totes thanks bud for sure yeah make them big make them nice that was the one time he gave me a little heads up and then i was and of course she saw it i did get a cosset at the wedding though oh yeah yeah uh how was that wedding was tons of fun wonderful it was uh i really obviously since our wedding which we loved and it was like the best wedding ever but you know because it was ours so biased of course but this was in new york it was at this beautiful chinese restaurant it was my first jewish wedding um which was a lot of fun the culture of the community is so much fun. Like just great.
It was at this beautiful Chinese restaurant.

And what I loved about it is because like,

if I were to have one,

our wedding was great,

but like, and I think the food was fine.

We had.

Boiled peanuts,

mac and cheese.

That was at our welcome party.

Yeah.

But like the food was fine.

I don't know if anyone was like talking about the food when we got done.

Just to interrupt for a second.

We do like,

whenever Nick and I were starting the wedding planning process, we were like, food has to has to be like we wanted food trucks but we didn't want people to wait in line for the food trucks we wanted to be served hot we wanted to be this and then we were like we are doing way too much no one like gives a fuck they're just gonna like eat what they want people were full but like i don't think the food was like you remember the food from this wedding in the best possible way it was like at a chinese it was like an amazing chinese food restaurant and it was like you know it was like i don't know like 100 125 people it wasn't like a huge wedding but it was big enough and it was like in this like big dining room but it felt really intimate it was like a big intimate dinner and i with a huge family and friends having just amazing food and like you know great speeches and things like that and then we danced so it was a lot of fun. And then afterwards, then someone came up, absolutely hammered and stumbled up to me, said that they were a journalist and that this was off the record and started asking me a bunch of divisive questions, which really made me feel uncomfortable.
How'd you get out of it? I was like, I don't think this is any of your business. And then to which she took offense.
And then her friend kind of butted in and apologized for her and said, hurt people, hurt people. And she's going through it right now.
Okay. Sometimes weddings bring the worst out in people.
There was that. But I did get to talk parenting with Daniel Radcliffe.
That's pretty cool. That was a lot of fun.
He was also a guest at the wedding. Lovely man who also has a young child at home.
So we get to talk about parenting, which is a lot of fun. So really cool.
We do have a great episode lined up for you today. And this week, we have a very explosive, very dramatic, very incredible going deeper episode this week with the one and only Bella Thorne is with us from not talking much about all her drama and her life.
Well, she's here this Wednesday and she really opens up. And with a lot of drama in her life going on, she kind of took a back seat.
And now she's here to talk about all the things going on in her life. So it's a really fantastic episode.
She really opens up and speaks to just all the controversy that she's been going through. So she is with us on Wednesdaynesday you will definitely not want to miss that episode also we have at the end of our episode the wonderful and endearing martin cove you know him from the hit series cobra kai they're in their last season on netflix also from the karate kid movies a legend a legendary 80s villain and now a more complex character on cobra kai but he.
He has some great stories. And I can't wait for you guys to listen to that as well.
Later today, we have Alex went home on The Bachelor. Mrs.
First Impression Rose. Missed first one-on-one.
I really thought she was going to be top three or four. No, I didn't think so.
Listen, I would like someone to replay the tape of me saying that it's going to be Latia and Juliana at the end.

You did say that.

I thought Juliana for sure and Carolina.

So I was very wrong on Carolina, but I was also right on her being the drama.

So I'll take it to the bank.

Also, before her, we have Vanita from Southern Charm is with us to talk about all those shenanigans going on in the bahamas that was a brutal episode for chef oh my god do you think he's just taking one for the team no no i think he's i think he's delusion yeah yeah which we've all been there you know you know that that text message that was sent i mean not in the bahamas that text message he deserves to go to prison yeah but i'm love. But I'm like, even if you're like 16, 14, 30, 40, whatever, I feel like some, in one

point in your life.

If I ever received that.

But have you ever sent a message?

Absolutely fucking not.

Oh my God.

If I ever.

The freckles on your lips.

Well, yeah.

Like, it's too far.

But I'm just saying like that text message of like, oh, I'm divulging all of my feelings

in hopes that this will win you over.

And it's like, oh my God, no, they were never on the same page, same channel, same show.

Ending anything with, thank you for listening to my TED Talk, jail.

Yes.

Also, for sure, don't tell me how I feel.

Nope.

I know that you love me.

I kind of feel for Shep.

I do.

I think he's a grown man with a little boy mentality.

He's like 44.

This is the type of text you're supposed to send at like 21. maybe 14 and then you're either your girlfriends or guy friends you know after you kind of open up and like spill your guts and emotions in a way that you should just never have they're like yeah don't do that anymore but like the fact that like shep is what 44 and and this is the time of his life where he's finally like being crushed by someone emotionally he sends a text like this.
Don't make me feel like I'm seeing eye to eye with Austin. Austin was one of my favorites this episode and I was like, how is that happening? Why, just because he was calling a friend? Just being real, not sugarcoating it and being like, no man, maybe she'll get something.
He was like, you shouldn't have sent that. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe Vanita will let us know if she was fake drowning.

I do have some questions.

Or like, what about JT were you attracted to?

Or is it even real?

You know, let's ask her.

We'll find out.

Can we talk about the Erewhon $20 strawberry?

Not in plural.

Singular strawberry. So Erewhon just started selling these.

For the people who don't know about bougie Erewhon, because most people aren't living. Is Erewhon only in California? I think it's also in New York, isn't it? No.
Oh, well. Only in LA.
Basically, Erewhon is like bougier than a Whole Foods, a Nugget. Expensive.
Yes, it's a grocery store. They have like a hot bar where you could like get lunch.
They've got like all kinds of foods. They have a smoothie bar.
A lot of celebrities do of celebrities do like smoothie collabs with air one it's where like hot people who can't cook go to eat healthy food yes like i've seen a lot of influencers be like thanksgiving and it'll be just a bunch of like air one hot bar food yeah but for the price tag add a zero on to everything no it's crazy everything is organic or everything is made out of something you didn't know could make that substance like pistachio flower so basically they're selling singular strawberries from kyoto japan for 19 each and this is the blurb for the strawberries our strawberries redefine sweetness and beauty each berry is cultivated to achieve perfect symmetry brilliant color and exceptional size whether choosing our tochiaka or rare white jewel varieties accept an explosion of flavor that elevates the ordinary strawberry to extraordinary heights. And basically what they're saying is organic strawberries are rare accounting for only 0.002% of Japan's total strawberry harvest.
So this is like a rare... So then why are we stealing them from Japan? Like if I will be...
The only time I'm buying a $20 one strawberry is if I am in Japan. Like the fact that we are like shipping them here, selling them at Air One, like one like it kind of loses the charm this is bad press for la like fresh off the california fires where obviously there's a lot of people in need in la obviously we know that la is a city that does have a lot of money with for some people not a lot of people in the city and the fact that like it's making news that there's a grocery store in la selling 20 strawberries and they're flying off the shelves is a bad luck for us.
I'm just saying. Well, people are saying like this is proof that Air One is a social experiment because it's like you could just like make something super expensive for something so cheap and like people are going to buy it.
They had a cluster of ice cubes for $18. The balls, right? Yeah.
What do you mean a cluster of ice cubes? What if I walked into the ocean? They were like martini balls of ice. Like the whiskey round spheres of ice.
Literally frozen water was $18. I hate everyone.
It's the craziest thing. For one single strawberry.
And then I'm like, what that says to me is that probably if you go to Japan, it's probably like a dollar. And that was all just like shipping and getting the like single use plastic that's like wrapped around it.
I think to buy a $20 strawberry is loser behavior. I kind of want to do it, though.
What if we bought it for the team and we all had a nipple? I bet it tastes like a strawberry. Yeah.
You know what? I wonder if, speaking of social experiments, so there's this influencer podcaster. Her name's Avery Woods, and she's been under under fire recently because she did a whole episode saying some like controversial things.
She like said something about like Jesus Christ, like doing stuff to women to get into heaven or something. I don't know.
It was very crazy. She also said that like she had C-section.
So therefore her vagina is like pristine. So basically like shaming all women who have ever had a vaginal birth, which is crazy because she is like a mommy vlogger.
So that's like pretty much her entire audience of women. I mean, assuming she was telling a joke that didn't land or was she being serious? I mean, it wasn't in joke form.
I think it was her being like, well, I had a C-section, so like I'm pristine down there. Oh, yeah.
Like that was, I think, the way she delivered it. What's the opposite of pristine for all the ladies who didn't yeah it's like what are you saying about my vagina and like how do you know what my vagina looks like you know i don't know so it was a little i it's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way as it should have and she's now come out and given an apology and has said that the entire episode was scripted of the podcast Do you think think she's lying it's like joe coy at the golden globes throwing writers under the bus for what literally it's like well i mean have like have they ever scripted a podcast is their entire show scripted they're scripted podcasts no i know but i'm saying oh this would be like if one day we were like that one episode you know where we said that that pissed you guys off.
That was so scripted. That was literally written by Mary.
People would buy that, I bet. She's taking a leave.
It's like, I don't, I just feel like that's, how can, I mean, I guess podcasts are scripted. I just, in my mind, I like cannot imagine us like sitting down on like a Tuesday afternoon and writing Wednesday'snesday's episode and like writing in being like i had a c-section so my vagina is pristine okay i will say that say this like that's what i'm saying we she's probably did she release like proof i not to my knowledge it was just her like crying being like i'm sorry the producers it was scripted episode like oh my god i dropped right okay but she is on uh on wells network and people said that like alex and sophia used to of call her daddy used to like script all their they've like admitted to being like yeah we used to script some episodes so people are like i think there's a difference between like writing or joke or two or like coming up with a story that like call her daddy was like you know when they were talking about the fucking gluck gluck 3000 or whatever yeah i think they definitely talked about some of their anecdotes or whatever but that's not the same as like a scripted whole episode but do you think blaming like non-landing jokes on it being scripted as a cop-out yeah because like if anyone on this team wrote a joke and i said it and then i first of all read the joke said oh that's funny i'll say that and then delivered said joke then there's the whole opportunity for us to like listen as a group to the joke and then we you know edit the episodes and someone's like everyone listens to that joke and everyone's like you know does it land you know there's several even for our very like you know very simple process over here at the Vile Files like it's scripted or not I mean I don't know you still said it so whether it came off the top of your head or you approved it and then said it and memorized it and all of the things like you still take ownership on the fact that you said it say it forget it forget it, write it, regret it.
During the medley.

I mean, you know, she said something that was kind of slightly

like piss people off. I don't think it's the end

of the world. I mean, like, you know.

I think it's just like, obviously

very telling when

like you're in touch. I mean, she's just

like coming for her whole audience. It's like

religion, vaginas.

Yeah, it's like you're a mommy blogger

and to then like, or mommy, is that what they're called nowadays? Mommy influencer? Mommy blogger? I don't know. I think they all apply.
It's an interesting choice. I mean, listen, it's tough.
Like everyone wants to be a comic. Everyone wants to tell a joke.
There's a lot of conversations about comedy being dead and things like that. And like, you know, like.
Which I can totally, like, I can see that like frustration with comedians. But like, I just don't, I don't understand how any of, like, saying, like, any of that was funny.
But that's the thing between, like. You can say anything if it lands.
Or not. But the thing is, is this, like, I don't know who this person is.
But, like, she's not, and this is not meant to be a criticism. But, like, my understanding, she's not a professional comedian, right? We have Nikki Glaser on.
We've had her on for a couple times. And every time Nikki Glaser has come on, she says multiple things that piss off this audience.
And you know what Nikki thinks? Not a goddamn thing. You know what I'm saying? She doesn't give a fuck.
She's a professional comedian. So when she goes on stage and tells her jokes and does roasts, she does say things all the time that rub people the wrong way.
She doesn't issue apologies. You know, she is a comedian comedian she just like allows people to like consume her art and have an opinion and when non-comedians go on a platform and try to tell jokes and they don't land i don't i mean i don't think you know if you're gonna tell a joke own it own the joke and lean in don't apologize you know or or apologize and stop telling jokes but you know what i'm saying like you don't blame don't split you know split the difference and be like well i told that joke it's not my joke and i'm not a comedian but i'll like you know so don't tell tell jokes you know or or tell the jokes and like say i was joking and like don't fucking apologize because you know what i've learned in 2025 not a single apology has ever landed ever with anyone that you're apologizing to they don't give a fuck about about your apology.
They just want to make you pay more. So don't even say you're sorry.
If you actually hurt a person with your actions, not like the internet, fine. You should probably apologize for it.
Like you don't, don't apologize the internet. The internet doesn't give a fuck.
The internet, it's the same thing that I've said before about like the internet doesn't care about the truth. Like they only care about the fun, like crazy narrative that whatever person they don't ever care about the truth so yeah it's like to like correct someone or to apologize it's never gonna land and it's never gonna go as viral as the initial story did and it's never people are never gonna forgive you or give a fuck comedians don't apologize they tell their jokes they move on they you know they do their thing you know what were we talking about before we started about someone?

Sienna.

Sienna.

So on Southern Charm,

obviously we have Sienna and Shep,

a very uncomfortable relationship to watch.

It's really great.

Can we call it a relationship?

It's very uncomfortable that we can call it.

Uncomfortable.

Shep's the Lulu land girl.

Cringy, bad, bad.

Situationship.

But it's like his,

what we thought,

like his girlfriend

before they ended up in the bahamas and now we see that it is very clearly one-sided but she has now taken to social media of course she's gone to tiktok and been like hey everyone do y'all care like i'll do a series on like my time on the show and what it was supposed to be. And everyone was like, Oh yeah, sure.
Like give us the tea.

She was like,

okay,

I'll do a live,

a Tik TOK live.

And then she posted another one being like,

so no one wanted me to do a Tik TOK live.

So I guess I'll just do like a couple of series.

Starting with how she met Shep,

all of that.

It is like Tik TOK.

These are Tik TOK.

These are Tik TOKs.

Yeah.

And she said a whole lot of nothing for seven,

six,

seven parts.

Could have been just one 10 minute Tik TOK.

It honestly could have been nothing because she really didn't say anything that like was news to me. 100%.
What did she say? She said that she met Shep on Raya, which we knew. She said that she also met Whitney on Raya, which we also knew.
She did show a screenshot of her and Whitney's conversation on, she goes, I won't say the platform of which I took this screenshot because you can't take screenshots on Raya. So she was like, I won't say the name.
She like shows up like, it's another, she likes taking, using her phone on another phone to like show the proof. It was very all, I'm sure she's going to get kicked off Raya after this.
But so she said that basically all Whitney ever said to her was like how are you doing and she said i'm good how are you and he never responded didn't sierra say something like she accused him of being a catfish or something yeah yeah she said that he looked very different in person than he did on his raya profile didn't she say her mom was like the biggest south southern charm fan ever her grandmother but she doesn't know who whitney is i don't know if she's never sat down and watched an episode with her grandma. I mean, a little embarrassing for Whitney to have a photo that's 10 years old on his dating account.
Also, Whitney was drunk on the last episode saying that she matched with him first when it actually came out that he direct messaged her they were never a match. So he pursued her for it to go nowhere.
Not surprising. I'm just saying that's not really a catfish.
His picture didn't match the person. If he used a picture from 10 years ago and he's aged faster.
I feel like I'm catfishing when my hair is bleached in any of like my hinge like pictures. Again, it's not it's not catfishing.
Catfishing is when you're pretending to be someone else like showing a picture.. No, it's just...
If it's not what you look like currently today... That's just you being really insecure and delusional.
At the same time, if you're wondering why it doesn't work out, it's because you don't look like your pictures. Fine, but you're...
It's catfishing. No, it's not.
Catfishing is pretending to be someone you're not. But it also is using a photo of what you look like currently today.
If you gain 200 pounds and you used a photo of yourself at like 100 pounds in college, like that's catfishing. Oh my God.
It's definitely not. Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? If you post a picture without a beard and then someone sees you with a beard and they're like, oh my God, that's literally not the same person.
Yeah. I understand it's misleading.
That's not, I'm just saying it's not catfishing. It's just.
Oh my gosh. She's very like, it's definition.
It has to be, yeah, Webster's Dictionary and Nick's Brain or nothing. Words don't have meaning anymore.
What do you think Mike White thinks about this catfishing situation? Because he did model the family, the Southern family in White Lotus after Southern Charm characters. Oh, did he? He did.
The youngest son in that family said, Mike told us to go watch Southern Charm. In fact, Jason Isaacs, who plays the dad, modeled his whole accent after Thomas Ravenel.
Thomas Ravenel. Disgraced congressman.
Yep. Who literally just dropped out of the race for governor of South Carolina.
The same week that he submitted himself, he took himself out. Do we have that guy's voice? Thomas Ravenel.
We can find it. It's just a very old Charleston accent.
I usually am very strict on country accents, Southern accents, but honestly his was very good. It sends a chill up my spine of making me feel like I'm in school again.
Some of the ones in Landman are not very good. This congressman was on Watch What Happens Live? He was in the first five seasons of Southern Charm.
Oh my God. The mannerisms are so similar too.
I don't think so. I just think that, again, I've said this innumerable times, the age difference is so great.
It's crazy. It's like my preacher told me.
You have a preacher, T-Rap? Yeah, I do. Yeah.
And he was a sex therapist

because he said,

look.

Okay, wow.

Well, pretty good.

Pretty good accent.

Isn't it?

He really did model it.

And the fact that

Jason Isaacs is like

a Bravo girly,

a Bravo girly,

but also like

he is Shakespearean British.

Yeah.

And then he's able

he's from England.

Yeah, he plays

the dad.

Lucius Malfoy.

Lucius Malfoy

in Harry Potter.

He was also in

Mel Gibson's The Patriot

as a British soldier. He's like a bad.
He's like British, British. See, like that, that's an amazing actor that you're able to like switch your accents like that.
I mean, like I was just saying, there's in Landman, it's kind of hard to listen to. And maybe like Texan accents are different than like Alabama, Georgia accents.
I don't know. I mean, obviously, that what I'm used to, but it's, that's hard to listen to.
And like, and, and, and these people on White Lotus, this family, even the mom, they all crushed that, that Southern accent. Parker Posey, like, like the fan, the SEC family of it all just like sends me, I'm like, I know these people so well.
And I am like, like re-traumatized. Patrick Schwarzenegger crushes.

It's honestly, yeah.

It's very well casted.

Yeah.

It's really good.

Did you see Rachel's Brawny commercial?

Do you think Matt James saw it?

You think he's off the grid?

I think he's off the grid.

Yeah.

But he's not off the grid enough to not post.

Do you think Craig's going to get some kind of commercial?

I don't know.

I mean, Ariana Maddox got the Durcel and the battery and trash bags or something?

Rachel's getting Scandival treatment after Matt James.

Thank you. I don't know.
I mean, Ariana Maddox got the Duracell and the battery and trash bags. No, like Rachel's getting Scandival treatment after Matt James.
Paige is always going to be booked and busy. Yeah.
That will never change in Paige's life, no matter what happens. Like, she will always be booked and busy.
But I don't, I don't know if he will. Probably not.
Probably not. That's my guess.
Probably not. I mean, Rachel's, she did an ad with Bronny, the paper towel brand.
She's saying she's cooking from home now because she doesn't have to pick out the perfect dinner spot anymore. Because obviously they were like foodie influencers and were going to all these restaurants together.
And she has someone who she can always depend on when life gets messy. And then she introduces a Bronny mascot.
It was a great commercial. It was a really great, really great.

The brawny guy is hot.

What would Craig's commercial be?

Did they ever,

did they have any like,

like obviously they had like going out.

Ariana and Tom Sandoval had,

she was like,

I picked up all the fucking

groceries and batteries for you.

Like that worked for her.

He likes bees.

He can do like a honey commercial.

Honey combs.

Like now I'm no longer

sharing my bees. I can just, you know.
Don't like female queen bees. Corona commercial.
He's sitting on a beach because he doesn't have to go to the city anymore. There we go.
With Peyton Manning. Yeah.
There you go. Pretty good.
I don't think he's going to get one. No.
But he does have a successful pillow company with two storefronts and he just opened up a successful bar. Everyone will be fine, yeah.
Oh, Liam Meester is a... Yes.
Nobody Wants This Season 2 cast Clayton Meester, Adam's wife, in the upcoming season. And I think everyone's really excited about it.
Cute. It's really exciting.
I saw their little bit at, what was the other show? SAG Awards last night. SAG Awards last night, where obviously we have Kristen Bell, who is voice of Gossip Girl.
And then obviously Leighton Meester, who plays Blair Waldorf. Wait, wait.
Kristen Bell was the narrator of Gossip Girl. Really? So anytime you're reading out of Spotted, that was her.
Yeah. XOXO, Gossip Girl.
Last night at the SAG Awards, they did a bit. They did a bit.
And it, I mean, it was honestly like so cute to see them back. Now I'm so excited.
To see like that duo. So I'm really excited to have them.
And obviously to have Jackie Tone back on our television will be very nice. When is season two supposed to come out? Are they filming right now? They're doing like table reads and stuff.
I'm sure it'll be. It's going to be wild.
Her whole year. Jackie said it would be like spring, summer, I think when she was on the show.
That's crazy. I love that a show called Nobody Wants This when it's like everybody wants this.
It's kind of a perfect name for a show. It truly is.
Because you're only setting yourself up to like defy expectations. Yeah.
Did you see that Ashley Darby, the Potomac housewife, hard launched her divorce? This is the funniest thing I've ever seen. She's been teasing

this divorce for so

long and then finally

the concept of hard

launching your divorce

after teasing it

first off.

Oh wow.

She really did.

Hard launch.

A whole photo shoot.

Hard launch.

You know what that

reminds me of?

What?

Monica Garcia when

she did her like burn

book photo shoot or

whatever that happened.

And Monica did it

first.

And she like did her

yeah.

I'm here for it.

Do you think they actually put words all in that

stuff? No, it's a stock photo.

You can see the...

That's Canva.

That's not even Photoshopped. That's Canva.

Look at officially and how it goes off the page.

Yeah.

Gotta respect Ashley. She's a hustler.

She is. By all means, celebrate

it if you're happy about it. I guess.
You see that Corey Beerman and... Kim Solsock? Yes, they are divorced again.
I've had to check out of that whole... Every week is a new headline of selling...
Aren't they always calling the cops at each other? The police are always called. She was selling her Christmas trees that are worth thousands of dollars the other day.
There's always something weird going on. New body cam footage.
I'm pretty sure the house just went into foreclosure. Like she moved out and stuff.
But who knows? I just wish she'd quit playing and just come back to Atlanta. When does the new season start? March 9th.
We'll be covering that. I just got shown.
I just got fed a clip from Real Housewives of Atlanta. And it's when Phaedra was pregnant.
Oh, and it's Sharae. And they were all like, when are you due? And she was like, I don't know, sometime in July.
I think I'm just going to have this baby right now. And they were like, but aren't you five months? And she's like, yeah.
And they were like, you can't have a baby at five months. She's like, the doctor said I could.
They're all like, that's not. But also there's the table of Sharae and the woman being like, so she must be lying about this.
And it's like, what purpose does she have lying about her baby coming? OG Atlanta. So good.
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What a beautiful background you got there.

And you look absolutely stunning, too, by the way.

Thank you. I'm in my kitchen right now.
I figured this would be the quiet space that I have.

So colorful.

Let's just get right into it. First question is, was that a real drowning situation where Craig had to save you, or was that a stage scene?

Because the people are kind of up in arms. It felt like a little staged.
And you're smiling. You know, a lot of people do crazy shit for reality TV.
I'm not one of them. I was actually drowning.
Oh, shit. Unfortunately.
We are glad you're okay. Very unfortunately, yeah.
I, in fact, had water in my lungs. Yeah, and I'm smiling because because like it's like comical the things that people have the audacity to say about what we do on tv you know what i mean like oh she's drowning for a storyline you think i would risk my life that my mother spent 32 years raising me with on for a tv show absolutely not well i think you were you were real fake drowning but fake fake drowning fake drowning.
You never fake drowned as a kid, you know, just wailing your arms. Nick just needed attention.
He had 10 siblings. So Nick was like, I'm drowning.
Someone save me. Maybe that was it.
What attracted you to JT in the first place? I think a lot of people are curious. Yeah, his personality.
He's a really good stand-up guy. And I think that the version of himself that he puts on for TV is the completely different person that I get behind closed doors.
When you're watching the show back, are you seeing the contrast between the person that you have a personal relationship versus what we're seeing as viewers? And what do you say to him if he asks you about it? I don't know. It was kind of hard to go, because this was the first year that like, we really kind of put our friendship out there for the cameras, you know what I mean? And like, so I haven't really been able to address him about that because we're, you know, not good.
Right. So.
Did he do something to you that were like, were you guys in any type of exclusive relationship let he cheat on you did like what what happened uh no we weren't ever in any exclusive relationship we were dating um and i what does that mean i'm curious i i only just like in 2025 terms like i know some people say dating something not exclusive but like yeah what what is dating but not exclusive mean to you oh so we were just like figuring out because we came to this crossroad of like okay do we like actually like each other or do we like each other because we like work together you know like how you have those like work relationships you're like oh like that person's hot and like when you're not working anymore you're like oh what was i thinking right so like we would go out almost every night to dinner we would do lunch we would do work meetings together and um like really like shoot the shit and we did that almost every day for about two two months were you guys also hooking up no and everyone keeps asking me that and like no like sorry no i'm just yeah like no apology needed i just you know like when you're dating sometimes you are sometimes you're not you know so i just really set that boundary like right away we're like we're just going to date like normal people see if we like each other nothing physical none of that and see like okay is it more than just like oh i think you're cute you think i'm cute like do we actually really deep down like like each other gotcha? Gotcha. And we did for, I guess, like two months.
And then the super teacher drops. And this woman decides to annihilate me on social media that he was dating that I was unaware of.
And basically, like, calls me out of my name. And I was just like, hey, like, I don't know what's going on with this.
I need you to put a handle on it. And he was like, I can't do anything about it.
And then I was just like, okay, I need to take a step back from this because you're gonna let me get annihilated but why couldn't he do anything about it was it was this woman real like did he was he in fact dating okay yeah and he was in fact dating and he was like there's nothing i can do about this and i was just like that was my first like red flag of like okay like i have to take a step back from this like i need a moment and i took a step back and me taking a step back lasted for about a week um he texted me the night of my best friend's wedding i didn't text back because i was at the wedding and i went to text him back the next day and before i could even do that he posted that he was in a relationship with this girl and it was complicated and i'm like oh okay cool so i found out when the rest of the world found out that he had a girlfriend damn so wait did he so it's what you're saying it sounds like he faked dated you for the show while also having quote unquote a real relationship outside of the show is that how it felt to you yeah and like it was kind of like a slap in the face people say the same shit about me manita doesn't show much she doesn't share much about her life she's so protective over herself blah blah blah blah and i'm like okay the one year i decided to like let it rip i literally get played i'm like okay this is why i don't like it backfires on me damn Damn. Okay.
Cause timeline wise,

were you dating during the filming of the show or is this like post

filming,

but before the teaser came out and then there was a girlfriend that was

shown on the show.

Is this the same person?

Yeah.

Wow.

It's the same person.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So all of this was in post.

So like while we were filming this year,

like,

you know,

just teetered about showing our friendship more. And like, we were flirting back and forth, like, you know, shooting, yeah.
So all of this was in post. So like while we were filming this year, like, you know, just teetered about showing our friendship more.
And like we were flirting back and forth, like, you know, shooting the shit. And then after cameras dropped, like that's when we started to like actually date when I came back from New York for the summer.
And then then he quits and then he still comes back to do a green screen and then enters this girl into the situation. So he made his on his own what was your reaction to his announcement of leaving the show and then also coming back to film uh green screens um my reaction to him quitting was uh actually i was devastated for him because at this point him and i hadn't spoken in two weeks i think so like i just didn't know where his head was at.
Like in prior, his head was not in a good space whatsoever. So like I was equally mad, but like nervous for his wellbeing.
I was just like, okay, like what does he got going on? But then I had to remember he's choosing to not talk to me because he's dating someone else. So like, I got to let that go.
But my phone blew up that morning. I'll never forget it.
I was sitting at the Ritz Carlton in Amelia Beach or Amelia Island. And like, I and like i think he posted it like 6 3 in the morning and i get a call from the network at like 7 15 and they're like hey like dude because everyone always knew to check in with me on him because we were so close they were like hey like do you know what's going on like where is he like why is he saying this i was like your guess is just as good as mine i have no idea what's going on like not a single clue what does the rest of does the rest of your cast say about it? Not a single clue.
Oh, they didn't care. Because at that point, they were tired of him.
You know what I mean? Well, not about him, but more about you, him, and kind of just kind of playing you. A lot of them were disappointed.
Like, if I had Madison, like, being like, listen, I don't like him, but, like, if you're liking him, like, cool, like, he can hang around us. around us like if I got Madison to do that and you still played me like I literally was risking friendships that I had cultivated and built and like spent a long time trying to get them to where they are now and I'm just like guys like you know like as my friend like I just need you guys to have my back with this like no you don't like it like but but I like it and I'm happy, whatever.
They're fine. And then I turned around and got played by him and it was very...
Yeah, I don't think anyone was happy. And why does Madison hate him so much? Because he did the whole, you wanted to sleep with me, you wanted to have an affair on your beautiful husband.
I assumed it was deeper than that or she only hates him because of that. I mean, that that's deep enough like you're literally going out to the world and saying that i had an affair you're trying to insinuate an affair when i didn't happen meanwhile like madison was going through god knows i shouldn't say god knows what because i know exactly what but like her life was flipping upside down and you're out here screaming about oh yeah like an affair like don't do that yeah so back to i'm just curious though because back to like when we first started talking you're like you know tv jt is different than real life jt but it kind of seems like maybe it's not you know because like it almost feels like real life jt is just as smarmy and backstabby as as tv jt i mean what's what is the difference now that you are kind of saying his his atrocities out loud i you know i don't know yeah got me there i gotta be really honest i have no idea and like i i have to think about it now like was he playing me like was he showing me a version of himself to get me in good graces and this is actually who he is in real life is the tv version of him and i got the version that i thought was the real version which it and it might not have been you know what i mean so is the first time you confront him about all of this at the reunion or have y'all had a conversation before the first time i confront him uh is at the reunion watching this season it feels like he kind has has been ostracized by the rest of the cast the guys really want nothing to do with them madison wants nothing to do with them and it sure looks like especially after hearing your story now it sure looks like his big plan was to like make sure you were cool with them because no one else was and no one else would fuck with them and we know like i mean you can't create a scene if you have no one to do a scene with and it was like well at least i have vanita and it seemed like he almost used you and to have like a seat at the table and his quote-unquote quitting the show was more like him trying to get ahead of being fired because everyone's like i don't want to fuck with this guy anymore yeah i you know and i looked at it as he was trying to get ahead of how he was going to look now that i knew he was dating someone else the whole time we were filming you know what i mean and after filming so like he was trying to get ahead of like oh i don't want the bad guy you know what i mean like let me go ahead and put this girl online and be like oh it's complicated which he's now changed that caption four times to what back into what he'll take out the hashtag is complicated and he'll just be like oh like lost like lost times or favorite moments or whatever like it's insane who is this person they just showed like a clip of her when they when bonita and jt had like his response to you that i can't do anything about it is crazy i mean he could do something about it he could have been like because she came after you right right and like called me a rat and was like i don't know what who i wrote it crazy me i wrote it with two big teeth and long tail no no absolutely not absolutely not so yeah and he was like i can't do anything about it and it was just like our flag number one for me was just like that was crazy but everything else your best friend you are not going to defend your best friend against someone who's speaking ill towards them no matter who the other person is you're not going to say anything because you don't have any control over that you can't do anything about it all right cool did this get brought Yes, it did.
I was about to say, because this would be a huge issue for me. I'm just like, bro, I stood by your side through all this and you can't be like, hey, babe, maybe don't call her that.
I don't know. Yeah, like don't talk about her like that.
Like you might not like her, but like what I won't allow you to do is to speak ill about her. You know what I mean? Or yeah, he could have been like, it's, it's not her fault.
She has a whole different impression of my intentions. It's my fault.
I did this. That's on me.
You should be banning at me. Not Vanita.
He could have done that. He could have done fucking something.
More than nothing. Yeah.
How are you feeling about Sienna these days? I don't. shep okay is his is his heart healed do you know yeah you know i think shep's doing good he posted this um video i guess it was like a few days ago after like the episode aired or whatever and he was just like hey guys like don't like beat her up and don't be mean to her and blah blah blah and like i responded to it with some hearts and he was some hearts.
And he was like, was that okay? And I was like, no, this is good. Like, this is what a real man does.
Like, you're not even dating this girl anymore. And you're still trying to defend her against the evil people that are probably going to attack her on social media.
Like, you're doing great. I don't think they should be attacking anyone.
But, like, Shep looked the most vulnerable this episode. She'll come and go, you know? Like, she just just doesn't like shep but this is more shep's fault like what is she doing i don't think i like you anymore like i'm you know i'm sorry i brought you here but like i don't think this is going anywhere i hope you guys have a good time but like after this we're just not gonna talk like it's so simple imagine being in her shoes for anyone sitting in this room and you too, Vanita.
It's just like, imagine kind of dating someone.

You kind of like them.

You're not sure.

You're on the fence.

Like, they seem nice.

You've had some good moments.

He's like, I'm going to bring a whole TV crew with me on our next date.

She's a fan of the show.

Fine, whatever.

But either way.

She wants, right?

She wants to be on the show.

Yeah.

Fine.

But then maybe it was too much for her.

And they show up.

And she's getting a little cold feet. He's mean, like, sending her texts about the freckle on the show.
Yeah. Fine, but then maybe it was too much for her and they show up and she's getting a little cold feet.
He's mean like sending her texts about the freckle on her lip. I'm just saying it's a little intense.
It's like you're freckled. It's not like we start the season and on day one, we're like, yeah, we're going to the Bahamas in three weeks.
You know what I mean? These things take time. So when the idea was brought up and she was still feeling some type of way about chef like she didn't like him just say hey like maybe this isn't a good idea and we heard several facetimes of her being like when are you coming to the bahamas are you gonna come to the bahamas and he was like yeah i gotta figure out how to get out there like she was inviting them sure but he doesn't really take a hint you know he he does and she is the first person to click on bravo when southern charm starts airing i mean calling whitney a catfish when you watch the show is wild but i don't you know that's a whole nother debate wait say that again well she she referred to whitney as a catfish because apparently they matched or something and i was like don't you watch Yeah, she watches it.
That's why she went for one and one said no

and then she went for the next

easy available option.

Chef,

I'm so sorry.

So did you see this

like 27 part series

she did on TikTok?

No,

I keep refusing to look.

I mean,

honestly,

I'm the only time of day.

Yeah,

honestly,

everyone in the comments

is like,

seven parts for what? Like, you've said literally nothing. So it's really not much there.
So she won't be back next season. I mean, she said more there than she did when we were filming for three months.
Yeah. Anyway.
God bless. Good luck to her.
There's a clip of you crying towards the end of the season. I don't know if it's like a final dinner.
Can you tease anything that's coming up uh jc made me cry that's it yeah i hate him no that was a lot of that was not a happy moment for us what is your take on uh craig and page breakup like how is craig doing do you think it's being handled well i don't even know how to answer that to be honest i think craig is doing craig um so you know what's that mean yeah i don't know if that's a dig or support i don't either craig and i aren't that craig and i aren't that close so i can't really speak to what he's doing. You know what I mean? And like when I say that Craig is doing Craig,

like Craig is not really opening up

and speaking about it to us as a group.

Okay.

So we kind of get anything about the relationship

from what we see online.

You know what I mean?

It's not like he's confiding in,

at least he's not confiding in me.

Gotcha.

Do you think just from what you're seeing

or just from what you know of the man,

because you know him better than we do, do you think his heart is still broken or do you think he's milking it? Both. From your perspective, how do you think he's milking it? I just think that like she's not running around doing all these like PR moments about it.
She's just trying to like let the situation die. And like he's still doing that.
And it's just like I understand like your heart's broken, but like it almost seems like you're dragging this out longer than it needs to be. Like, just let it be like as clean of a breakup as it can be.
You know what I mean? Are you referring to him going on Tamar Hall? Like cable? Well, I mean, he's done a slew of other things too. You know what I mean? But it's just like, at what point are you going to allow yourself to heal to not continue to do these things? You know what I mean? Like the person you want to listen to you right now, she's, she's not, you're not, you're not together anymore.
It's okay. Do you think he should like, let everyone know what page is or isn't doing? Ooh.
Yeah. I think he should only because he is deeming her to be attacked by not.

So like speak your truth and let it be known the same way you're speaking your truth about everything else.

What if he doesn't know?

Then stop answering like you do.

Ooh, period.

Vanita.

Are you and Naomi on good terms?

Yeah, I saw her last week.

Is there any chance that she might come back to the show?

I don't know. I don't really ask her about it.
You know, I just feel like if she wants it, she will. Okay.
And it'll be exciting, especially now that her and I are in such a good place. You know what I mean? But I don't know.
I think she's past it. I think she's past it.
Ugh, tell her we miss her. Are you a fan of White Lotus? I am.
I did not watch last night's episode, though. I missed it.
Did you hear that the creator kind of told that to watch Southern Charm? Yeah, and Cam posted it on her Instagram this morning. And I was like, wait, what? There's no way.
But she made a good point. She was like, they were talking about him having like this North Carolina accent, but it sounds just like T-raf you know what i mean so it's like those two things don't add up it's like it's based off of us in south carolina not north carolina like stop that yeah yeah wild stuff uh vanita thanks so much for taking the time uh and opening up about your relationship with jt and your thoughts just on your cast in general excited to see things shake out shake out at the reunion.
Hope it goes really well for you. And hope that you get the justice that you deserve.
Hope so. Do you need us to start any type of hashtags or anti-JT things going into the reunion? Petition? Perhaps? T-shirts? Team Vanita? We can start a revolution.
I was like, hmm. played you he played you yeah but like i can't

somebody back no it'd be great like we'll we'll come for jt's throat and then when he says and he was like hey what's this all about from from your interviewing you can be like sorry i can't do anything about it.

Huh?

We like that, don't you?

I kind of like that.

Yeah.

Okay. about it huh we like that don't you I kind of like that yeah fuck JT all right Vanita have a great day best of luck at the reunion we appreciate your time take care bye thank you bye what a sweetheart was awesome.
I love Vanita. Yeah.
We have the same take on Paige and Craig. This obviously isn't Paige and Craig, but Sierra could have never been more relatable this episode.
What part? Her trying to devour Wes at the table or her talking to Wes after? No, no, no. Her reading him to filth and then being like, kind of want to make out with she's like is this toxic of me to like actually want to like go make out right now and like no it's not read him to filth whatever she just called him a beta exactly beta move is kind of wild beta bitch ass she's calling him not a man to be clear like a loser you know like no it's definitely really fucking me it's giving it's giving i'm not over it and i still care and like yeah it's just me yeah she's just trying to be mean she definitely does still care of like obviously she like i think she's allowed to be some emotion let's give her a brawny commercial 100 i'd watch showed emotion in her itm she got upset and like so she clearly still care.
I think it comes from, and she said this, of they were such good friends before it started off in such a friendship. And she is just let down by actions.
I guess, but she has every right to be hurt. And it didn't work out.
I really feel for that. But I'm of a hard time understanding how she can come for him at the reunion like she did last season he clearly wasn't expecting it didn't anticipate it you know page and sierra came for his throat he looked the way he did it wasn't great all of summer house nation was coming at him and then like and then he's not supposed to what speak on it or respond or they went and had dinner they obviously got on good terms no one was at that dinner but the two of them, but they both left feeling good.
He didn't sound like he felt good. He did.
Maybe as far as their relationship goes, but publicly he wasn't. And then he went to publication to talk about it more.
I'm sure that if they would have had that dinner, he would have left it at that dinner and would have not done a New York Times article or whatever.

It's not as if she.

I think his.

It's not like she got his permission to come at him at the reunion.

That's what a reunion is.

It's addressing things.

He said nothing.

He refused to answer any of her questions or to give his feedback on anything exactly like he did when she brought it up at the table.

And then he sits there and says nothing. But then is to go run and have a two page fucking expose on a relationship speak to the person speak in the time that you're spoken to instead of going off why am I owed an explanation when I don't give a fuck and I didn't ask for it but she's not owed explanation.
He can go tell the New York Times so I know.

So my opinion of Wes is different, but he doesn't give a fuck about the one person it actually matters to.

We'll continue this heated debate momentarily.

We have Alex from The Bachelor with us to talk about her recent exile from, well, not really the mansion.

The castle.

She was kicked out of the castle in Scotland.

Scotland.

All right, let's bring her on.

Traitor's influence knows no bounds.

Alex.

How's it going?

Good.

How are you?

I'm good.

How are you guys?

I'm all right.

Did you burn the first impression, Rose?

Did I burn it?

I'm kidding.

I'm so...

Honestly, I'm so ADHD.

I feel like I lost it the first night.

I was like, where the hell did I put that, Rose?

I don't know. And then Grant found out about it and sent you home.
Is that what happened? Yeah. Good joke.
No, everyone was like keeping their roses and like souvenirs. And I left with like the same suitcase.
I went in and that's it. I have no idea where any of the roses I ever received on The Bachelor are.
Right?

Really?

No.

I don't.

I think I attempted to save some.

I bet your mom has them next to your high school medals or something.

Probably.

Yeah.

Alex, what happened?

You were like, you know, first impression rose.

You got the first one-on-one.

He took you to the mall.

I know. I live in LA now.
And I was like, oh, I went to Target a month ago here Yeah Like the Beverly Center at all of them? We couldn't do Century City? Americana? Yeah, no Grove I love that mall, beautiful mall Beverly Center, on the other hand Is okay It's certainly Yeah. Yeah.
I thought they closed it. Anyways, what happened in your mind, Alex, where did it go wrong? Honestly, that will be a really great question at Women Tell All because I wasn't walked out.
So I had no, I have no idea. I went into it thinking we had a great connection.
I was like hometown here we come um and I don't know

I really don't know you were shocked you were surprised you were caught off guard 100 100 and

I think my reaction at the end will also tell that I was very shocked oh yeah we saw it yeah

yeah you can tell it's not very emotional as a person like always crying for everything uh who

surprised you the most in terms of the ladies who made it to hometowns and why was it zoe you're putting words in my mouth i would say and i mean i think it's a bit of a shock for everybody zoe because just because she didn't have a one-on-one i don't know what their connection was so i don't want to speak on that but i think because she didn't have a one-on-one. I don't know what their connection was.
So I don't want to speak on that. But I think because she didn't have a one-on-one, we all kind of expected, well, it's probably going to be someone who has had one.
So yeah, that's probably boo. But I think looking back on screen, I'm like, oh, they did have a connection.
And she shared a lot about herself. So having been familiar with that atmosphere in filming, sometimes we saw Zoe Zoe make a lot of waves early on, ruffle some feathers, and then it became the Carolina show.
And then like Zoe kind of almost took a backseat a little bit with the drama. I am curious from what you remember of the filming.
Was that like how it played out? I only ask because like sometimes There's drama early on And then you find out like or the producers

Find out or the show finds out that, say, Grant, in this case, has a thing going with Zoe, they might be like, hey, Zoe, stop pissing so many people off. Did you see Zoe kind of cool things off, or were we just not privy to some of the drama that she was involved in?

Which, which, which is more accurate.

I want to say the first one where I think Zoe from the get go.

Yeah. Ruffle some feathers for sure.
But I don't think it was intentional.

I don't think with any of the girls, anything was intentional.

I think in that setting, everything is so heightened.

And sometimes it's just like to take a second and be like, is this really,, it's like outside of the real world, would we really act like this? No. So I think with Zoe, yeah, she really took the backseat.
And I think it kind of probably felt nice for her for a little bit that she wasn't like the center of attention in that realm, you know, and that so yeah, for sure. That's how it panned out.
Carolina, what were your thoughts on, on her? Was she misunderstood or just a, just really obnoxious energy sucker? Nick, Nick, Nick. Again, this has been my stance from the get go.
I want to say that things were blown out of proportion for sure. Do I think that's, you know, she may have threw someone under the bus and we're missing a lot of context.
And people, you know, see Rose as this, you know, negative who wanted to like up Carolina by saying that. We're missing a lot of context.
Can you fill in some of that context for us that we might be missing? I think it'll be more, it's not my place to say because I'm not, you know, Rose and I'm not Carolina. So I think at Women Tell All.
Oh, that's the worst answer ever, Alex. That's an absolute terrible answer.
I know. I know.
I know you wanted, that's what you wanted to hear. But no, I just think that things were just blown out of proportion.
I think someone wanted, you know, maybe their ego was hurt a little bit. And instead of approaching it, maybe I think two girls with grant would have been the best decision versus one girl because then i think the other person could have defended herself i think that's more what if two on one the better it's two on one versus right because then it comes off as like okay we're two girls that were maybe hurt or and then we're coming to you versus like putting one under the bus you know honestly though i blame rose though because i had what rose on it just peaced out in the middle of a night she might have gotten a two-on-one the next week you know maybe um who knows i think i think that's not how it i yeah well how did it go down alex let us know you're allowed to you're allowed to say things that we didn't get to see i think the the way it looked on TV, I think, you know, she, and again, I'm not Rose, so I don't know her, like her experience, but I think it did taint her experience a little bit because she wasn't coming from a place of malintent.
And I think like they said on TV, they were comparing notes and someone got hurt and they wanted to also defend their names, and I get that.

And I think after that, it set back Rose with her relationship with Grant for sure and her old experience.

Will you be looking to develop a relationship with Carolina post-show?

I think, you know, we all have different personalities.

We both live in L.A.

We haven't seen each other yet, and it's nothing against her or anything. I just think maybe her personalities wouldn't mesh the best.
And also I'm a little bit like, you know, I'm from the get go. Rose was my, my girl.
So not to be petty, but I think, you know, out of respect for Rose. In Scotland, obviously there was another kind of big blowout at the group date with Carolina not really involving herself.

And then, of course, Grant pulled her and it caused a big fight with Dina and Serafina. And I think you kind of even got involved at the end of it.
Like, do you see a little bit? I don't remember that. A little bit.
Do you think that the whole kind of fight was like Dina said that because Grant pulled her, she should have said like, no, like, let's cut our time short because there's so many other women here. Like, we shouldn't talk this long.
Do you stand by that she should have done that? Or are you like, listen, he pulled her. Have all the time that you won.
It's like. Like, would anyone actually give up their time? That's the thing.
It's like, there's two perspectives. And I'm always, I hate being a Switzerland because I can see if I were in her shoes and I just, the type of personality that I am, if I knew the girls were already kind of upset with me, I would have been like, you know what? I've had enough time.
Let's, I don't want the girls to be even more upset at me. Let's, you know, let's cut it short.
But in her shoes, I think she was coming from a place of, they don't really necessarily vibe with me. So why would I care? And I'm here for Grant.
So I think it depends what type of personality you have. And I think Carolyn has a bit more like a go getter maybe.
And yeah, I think that's how it went down. But do I think it was a was a little bit disrespectful maybe but then again if you know we're all here for a reason so if you can have more time with grant why not oh it's tough because I know I wouldn't have done it but I don't know what her perspective was her point of view with like all the girls not being the biggest fan of her so it's like you don't think you would have been like, yes, Grant, let's talk for as long as possible.
Like I'm here to like marry you. If you think you would have been like, yes, but this is a me issue.
It's like, I also think like, I care a lot about what, you know, my, my friends think. And then I feel like you need the girls on your side or not on your side, but you need them throughout this experience for it to, to go smoothly.
And like on your mental health, like if I didn't have some of my girls there, I would have left week one for sure. So, which is like also very, like I can empathize with some, uh, with Carolina of, you know, her experience was probably terrible, right.
Regardless of, you know, she put herself in that situation. I think she, her experience is probably terrible.
Um, so I think you need to balance both. You need to balance like, you know, I think our conversation was, I think quality over quantity.
Right. So if I feel like, hey, we've had a really great conversation and we've been talking for a long time and like the girls need also their time as well.
That's how I would approach it. Gotcha.
Okay. And it looks like you're full of shit.
No, no, I don't think you're full of shit. I think, yeah, I get it.
You're being very safe and you know, you don't want to ruffle any feathers, you know, see me. I feel like I'm very, very polite.
Sure. Sure.
I was really happy for Zoe that she stole my strategy and had more time with him. I mean...
Why are you happy for Zoe? Come on!

I wasn't happy. I was upset.
I was upset

because I got a concussion and I was like, all of that

for what?

When did you get a concussion?

Bull riding.

Remember, Zoe stole her method

of going over the horns or Alex

would have won. But I'm also very

competitive, so it's like, honestly, if I

rolled a reverse, I probably would have stole her strategy too so yeah i think you should slash her tires i'm kidding do we have any more questions for alex before we let her go uh if asked to be on the beaches of paradise would we see you i think so i think you know i i watched paradise for the first time a month ago and it's definitely more my speed. I'm more of like a, not saying that I'm not serious, but I'm definitely more of like a goofy chill person.
That sounds so pick me. I'm still goofy.
Definitely. Yes.
I think that would be very, have you been scouting any of the boys from previous seasons? any biceps you've been really into or you know six packs that you're like i want to see them on pictures and you're like and then you see their personality and you're like we won't we won't hold you to anything you know you we still you you still can reserve the right to get the ick from any of them yeah like the when i was gonna say something like the piano

the piano's an egg for you when he was singing and that's what he wanted out of me he wanted

spicy yes the piano thank you grant gave me the ick when you play the piano it gave me the ick as

well if he had played piano in century city exactly it's just and i'm gonna be very honest

with that is that everyone knows from you know back home in canada that my biggest ick is someone

Thank you. in Century City.
Exactly. It's just, and I'm going to be very honest with that, is that everyone knows from, you know, back home in Canada that my biggest it is someone who, when we're all having a great time and someone pulls out the goddamn guitar.
Yep. And it's like, you have to let, finally, and it's like, we're having a good time.
Why? I don't even care if you're good singing. No, it's like, why are you? Yeah.
And then on top of that, it was the first time that I was having time with Grant, right? It's not like at the end of the season where you have a bit of a relationship. So, you know, and to get stated, I was like, okay, you got this.
Let's, you know, but I think I did a pretty good job. That was your kiss of death.
Grant knew it. You can't hide an egg.
And he felt it. And he knew it.
And you're like, she doesn't appreciate my music. Honestly, Alex, thank you for you for your service right it's a teachable moment for Grant I know and it would have made me different at the end of the season where I know him versus like a stranger at this point singing to you I was like but I feel like the song was good what do you think of his like song song yeah party girls did you listen to that i think it's pretty good i think if it is solid yeah pretty solid honestly for like um you know just starting out i think it's catchy it's catchy i don't want to like it but it's catchy i'd shake my ass in a club to it i have a friend for my opinion yeah i feel like if yeah chris brown wants to come out with a song like that girls would be like yeah, yeah.
I don't know why I said Chris Brown. He looks like Chris Brown.
As you see it now, from a viewer's standpoint, we're spoiler free. Obviously, I know you are too.
Who do you think are his two front runners? I think I'm going to wait on that. I'm not too sure.
What's your opinion? Is that a terrible answer?

It's the worst answer, Alex.

The absolute worst.

I think that Letia and Juliana are his final two.

I think Letia wins.

I think Juliana wins.

So what is your... I can't tell the difference between Juliana and the lawyer.

Dina?

Dina.

Can't tell the difference.

How? One has blonde hair, one has brown hair hair they seem like the exact same person in me you literally just people are saying that about dina and natalie but um juliana and dina's personality well they're pretty different i feel like personality wise um i think front runners would be i want to say juliana and latia as well just because um of, you know, what I've observed and their connection for sure.

Yep.

I knew it.

All right,

Alex.

Well,

thank you very much for your time.

Good luck on the beach.

Wait,

did you answer the question about what guys you're into?

Yeah.

Wait,

hold on.

What guys?

Oh,

what guys I'm into.

So I think,

I think Tanner's cute.

I think Tanner's cute.

I think the guy who's hanging out with all the Vanderpump people?

Yeah.

Who went on a date with Julianne Hough.

I don't know any of the reality stuff.

I think he's cute.

And a lot of people think that me and Jonathan's personality would mesh well.

But then I'm like, would we just be too much?

Maybe.

I need someone.

I think Jonathan's very charming.

He's very charming.

Good looking guy, too. May I ask how tall are you Alex? 5'5".
I like a tall. She's 5'5".
5'5". She keeps cutting out.
She's like 5'5". 5'5".
5'5 right. Yeah.
Medium king. Great.
Five. Five.
Perfect. All right.
Good workout. Yeah.
I love that. All right.
Well, good luck to you and Jonathan on the beaches of paradise. Okay.
Thank you so much. Rooting for your love stars.
All right. Take care.
All right. Bye, Alex.
Bye, Alex. Thank you so much.
Bye-bye. I almost had to side with Carolina when...
Dina was going after her. When Dina was going after her.
Same. It was just like, she's supposed to what? Give up her time? I mean, listen, the whole pulling aside and her crying and being the damsel in distress, obviously that was obnoxious.
You're on The Bachelor. Yeah.
You want to be like, no, Grant, I don't want to talk to you. All the other girls are here.
Let's not talk. That's crazy that they want her to do that agreed on and all of them being like well i would it's like no you wouldn't yeah no i absolutely you know i thought the most interesting thing alex said when she was like you really need your girls to have a good time here yeah sure but it was also giving like don't ruffle the house because they'll bully the fuck out of you yeah i mean that's that's my point you know it's just like you know like yeah you have to make friends but like clearly this group of friends like the and i don't even think it's any one person it's like this the house becomes this organic living thing where like the house is only caring about like no one winning everyone having fairness not ruffling feathers and the house like they the house makes the rules just basically go after anyone who is like not playing by the house's rules and it's kind of bullshit i think they have they have to keep carolina in check though because even like when juliana was going in the helicopter she's like i'm not jealous no it's just like you had a private jet like she Like she just makes comments.
Carolina is very insufferable, to be clear. Like that's, she is doing the most.
Yeah. The sitting at the table, eating alone, pouting, like it's definitely, she's definitely putting on the damsel in distress act.
But I do think the fact that these women expected her to turn down a conversation or cut a conversation short when Grant did pull her i'm with dina ridiculous i'm with dina on this one that's crazy it's like if you're sitting in silence with the assumption that you're going to then prompt the conversation that's her like taking him you know versus like if she was genuinely just to the side like doing her thing sure having a fun time alone and then she just kept being like well how's your night how's your since you're not asking us how our night is how's your night it's like well y'all aren't fucking friends with me i don't care how your night is yeah i didn't really understand that line of questioning how's your night so how was your night it's like how was your chat with grant so how and she's like it's good as it could have been and they're like what the fuck good as it could have been it's like well they were attacking they were asking her as if like she was talking shit you know Was she not? She wasn't She was heavily implying that I don't feel supported and welcomed here Her last two conversations were about like Other women and situations so for them They're just like so is there gonna be something else tonight? Everything about Carolina is premeditated Yeah And I love her but like She deserves all the criticism she's getting We're not not, we're not defending Carolina. We're criticizing how the other women are handling someone who clearly is obnoxious and not, you know, but like, they're also making her point, Carolina's point, which is like, they're justifying her being obnoxious for them being mean girl.
I mean, they are like the house. They're definitely being mean girls.
Yeah, I think they're operating in a position where they already dislike her. So now, it's like when you know you don't like someone and you know there's that one person that everyone doesn't like, you operate differently with them where everything they does piss you off versus the things that actually deserve to piss you off, piss you off.
Right, so then why wouldn't Carolina just continue to piss them off? Exactly. Because she's not going to become friends with them.
So it's like, why would I respect you now? You don't fucking respect me. Damage is done.
Even Dina, like your best friend in the process, now she's like, girl, you're doing too much. Yeah.
So that's when you know, it's not an us issue, it's a you issue. She's definitely doing too much.
It was just more, that's an insane ask to be like, yeah, you shouldn't, you're not. For an attorney, it was a weird argument.
Basically, they were saying, prove your loyalty to us, the group, and turn down your conversation with Grant, and then we can talk. I thought it was like, be respectful to your best friends, the girls that haven't had a chance.
Best friends? That's how they sold it. Best friends? It's true.
Those girls are not best friends. Dina was her best friend in the process.
Not really. Okay.
At all. Yeah, about like.
She stuck up for her one time, and was like, I see my younger self in you younger self in you or whatever like definitely but also for carolina to sit there and like on the log and not say like anything i'm like girl you're like wasting all the time and then not even like saying anything like you're being even more dramatic and to zoe's point the only person who should be throwing a little temper tantrum is the one person who didn't get a one-on-one this entire time like i for sure thought she was gonna home. I will say it was pretty fucked up of Grant to give Carolina so much security sitting on that rock being like, I'm locked.
She like gave so many times where she's like, I don't think it's me. I don't think it's me.
I think I should go home. And he's like, listen, I'm locked in.
Then sends her home the next night. Huh? That's crazy.
But it's giving Parisa like here. I thought about you.
I got you you rocks. Way, way more.
To a higher extent, for sure, but I'm just saying that I'm like, the bait and switch is crazy. Like, okay, like you're secure, you're special, and then you're going home tonight.
It would have been so much more respectful if in that moment where she's like, I don't think it's me, I think I should go home, where he would have been like, listen, like, I agree, maybe there has, you know, and she could have been like, okay, I'm gonna'm gonna go but instead he's like convinces her to stay just to send her home himself i think in grant's defense i think the people running this show are very they're in charge yeah that's like i feel like the producers or whomever is in charge of everything i'm like you would never have gotten that like i guess i'm the villain guess i'm crazy like the the whole like after like you already know somebody spiraling. I'm like, you know that the drama is going to ensue at this after party.
When Carolina and Grant were having a conversation, he said something. I wish I had the tape.
I think she was like begging him to send her home. And he was like, there's like a time and a place for that.
And it told me that Grant was like,'t feel like he had the the green light to send her home in that moment like it seemed like grant was like oh you know we'll see at the rose ceremony kind of thing and i think you know for different leads in different seasons there's been a different environment and a different collaboration you know like when way back when when i was a bachelor it felt like it was like we were making a show together you know they were like you know it was kind of a negotiation like help me find love so to speak and i'll help you make a great tv show and it doesn't seem like there's a class you know it's like you're our bachelor here are the rules do this do this we'll make sure you find love at the end but like you know that's the vibe that they're giving do you think the franchise is tanking do i think the franchise is tanking i mean like it's obviously going through a a bit of a shift i mean there's a lot you know what was that was a deadline that wrote that report yeah it was a deadline exclusive well you know the report that's out there right now it's a lot of former employees basically airing grievances about the people in charge now like i know the people in charge i know the people who left the show i mean the reality is is like you know what i've heard it described to me as like game of thrones it's like after mike fleiss was like kind of what left the franchise there are a lot of people who felt passed over and they're the people in charge now um i think there's some hurt feelings with some of the people who got passed over. And yeah, it's a lot of politics.
And then one of the people in charge came from Bachelor Canada. And other people have a certain feeling about that.
But I think in the past, like when I was on the show, the sense I got from the producers is that it was more collaborative. That there would be a lot of different meetings a lot of different inputs you know the the rumor is it's less collaborative now who knows but in fairness to the people in charge now you know obviously a lot of the people speaking are the people who are no longer at that company and you know business is business like but isn't this stemming from like jen trans season and kind of the whole like afr of it all where they forced her to watch that and she was like do i have an option well that was one example well the article kind of led telling that story if you guys don't remember jen trans afr where they made her watch you know the break or the engagement video with what's his name and yeah i mean to like they claim that jen knew what did what has jen said about it is she even off can she speak on it or is she still under contract i don't know what she what are they jen asked jen asked jesse palmer do i have a choice well that was during a she could be that could have been a performative comment yeah you know i think they probably gave her the heads up but they might not have i mean they've definitely it's reality tv like their justification when it comes to blindsiding contestants and even blindsiding their lead their argument is you're none of you are actors we're not here to see you act and perform surprise we're here to see your authentic reactions to these situations you signed up for yeah yeah you know and so there's a lot of times where they they did blindside people at their you know and producers have been getting criticisms since the beginning of the show so they're kind of numb to it or immune to it so 50 50 whether they told her or not but it does sound like with that story there was a lot of people who like a lot of other producers who thought this was a terrible idea they were dismissed they were ignored allegedly by the people in charge do you still have like respect for the franchise or are you kind of respect what do you mean well we seem to kind of just like defend them a lot and i know obviously it's like you knew a lot of the people who were there you're close to a lot of people who were there i mean i guess i always see both sides i have more friends who don't work there anymore than i have friends who work there and i you know i'm aware of a lot of the frustrations you know like they say business is business so like i can see why they're no longer friends with the people still there you know i wouldn't be so to so to speak on their other side i don't know like i wasn't there when when the decisions were made or who got promoted who didn't get promoted but like yeah someone won you know do you think that they're like trying to revamp everything with pausing bachelorette and then bachelor in paradise was on pause last summer and now we're finally getting it back and it feels like uh the schedule of this season of bachelor is moving a lot faster so also correct me if i'm wrong like do we think that they're trying to speed up the process in six episodes that we're already that's another thing too yeah because it was always like we're at hometowns already and literally when i was watching it last night i was like counting in my head thinking all right like i remember filming it's just like well what week what what week of filming was that when we were they're cutting a week short i'm pretty sure like any season we were in marseilles fr France week five.
We were in Italy week six and then we were in Brussels week seven. That was the week before hometown.
So this is week six. So they skipped a whole week of dating.

And like didn't you like didn't they used to have episodes where like whether it's two on ones or like there might be like a week where nobody goes home or something like that.

Always someone goes home.

There's definitely two on one.

So, you know, they're getting to hometowns a week faster than they normally did pre covid.

Yeah. goes home or something like that always someone goes home there's definitely two on one some you know they're getting to hometowns a week faster than they normally did pre-covid yeah i haven't like kept that close of track on it but listen budget cuts are all over hollywood they've drastically cut the budget of the bachelor even though it's relatively cheap to make compared to other shows and so like i think it's just a product of budget cuts really okay yeah i don't know like Like Joey's season was wildly popular and they kind of shit the bed after that.
You know, there was the whole like Maria casting drama. Like, you know, clearly Jen wasn't someone they had planned for.
That was pretty obvious. You know, whether it was like, cause you know, who else was being considered other than Maria? Daisy.
So like Daisy couldn't cause of her health. She was a fan favorite.
Maria was a fan favorite. Something happened with that.
So then they kind of had to pick Jen and they sold it as like, oh, your first Asian bachelorette. But clearly, I don't think the show deserved any credit for that because Jen was not even a top choice for them.
So they threw Jen almost to the wolves, having not really casted for her. With Grant, they announced his they announced his being the bachelor sooner they did the same thing with rachel lindsey with an earnest attempt to try to cast people like authentic connection yeah where they might be an authentic connection with grant and the some of the women just the way where they're looking with rachel and with with jen there was they're like all right jen's your bachelorette we're filming next week yeah um you know and so coming off the hype it the hype of- I remember it was a lot of the men kind of coming out and being like, I was- I was here for Maria.
I was here for Maria. I was here for Daisy.
We thought it was going to be someone else. So it just really put Jen in an unfortunate position.
Her show didn't perform that well, and not surprisingly, because there was no hype or no momentum. There's no, they didn't really promote her season.
Right. And then Grant, kind of the same thing.
They seem to not really be investing in these, for whatever reason. I don't know why.
ABC is the one who markets the show. Warner Brothers, the one who produces the show.
For years, there's always been conflict in terms of who gets to do what. There's like an internal conflict between ABC and Warner Brothers.
And then there's already an internal conflict between like Warner Brothers and the people making the show. It does seem to be a huge mess right now.
Do you think that seeing the success of Golden Bachelor kind of is making them look at the normal Bachelor different? Because it's like Golden Bachelor so like wholesome and it's new and it's a different concept. Whereas like kind of has been running the same concept it's the influencers on the bachelor versus the people on people genuinely looking for love and a connection on golden i think they only care about the ratings okay yeah i don't think it's just business right and i think the ratings of golden have been very have done very well that being said i don't know what if it like has the

demo like overall ratings aren't as important as the demo ratings demo ratings are like ages

between like 18 and 45 or something like that you know so i don't know how the golden franchise

performs in that demo over like say their bachelors in the number one performing show it always has

been and then you know bachelorette yeah it's not a good sign but again i think it speaks to

like a lot of the internal turmoil going on there a lack of like unity i think there's a lot of budget cuts i think there's that too so you know who knows but i wish that wasn't going on because clearly it seems to be affecting the quality of the show the show hasn't been it hasn't been as good as it used to be i mean i'm enjoying this season but like it's it's shorter. There's not a lot of compelling storylines.
I don't know. It doesn't seem as genuine.
It seems scripted. It seemed because so many people know what works and what doesn't work that it seems so scripted that they do the same thing every time.
The criticism I've heard from people who used to work there is that the people running it now are very by the there's there's not a lot of creativity. It's very not scripted, but very staged, very structured, very planned out, very inauthentic, very like they you know, the producers basically the people they talked about in this dead line story.
the two in charge they're making all the decisions they're planning the show beat by beat and they're

leaving very little for authentic moments and authentic reactions. That's the feedback I've heard from people who have since left the show.
Whether that is, you know, disgruntled employees or true, you know, remains be seen. But because there is a lot of people who have left on bad terms from that franchise i do think more and more is just going to continue to come out as like i do think and i hope that jintran is able to speak about that afr at some point in her life has she not spoken about it i don't believe she has last time we talked to her was right after afr when she was just like i tried tried to call Devin right before that happened to kind of see what we were going to talk about.
He had the moment to address stuff with me and then didn't even add AFR. But I think she obviously, I mean, she's under a contract.
I think once that contract's over, maybe she'll feel more comfortable to be like, listen, they threw me to the fucking wolves and they set me out there. And on live television,.
They were like hey watch this back. Knowing that the person beside me.
Was like not the person in that engagement video. And I didn't want to do it.
I told you know. Like I'm curious to hear her side of it.
I'll tell you this much. If they did tell her.
They 100% came to her. And sold her on the idea.
Of why it would be great for her. Regardless of whether it was great for her or not.
And then after they did. Whatever deed they they will follow up with the lead they'll check in on their mental health they'll make sure they're okay they'll tell them it went great they'll cover their asses they'll tell them it went great and then they'll be like you can't tell anyone we told you to say that yeah she did tell us it was a whole lot to process and that's why she was like dancing with the stars was my way of like i'm busy yeah dancing with the stars might have been also her like hey listen go do this and be happy yeah or now she's payoff she is happy with a partner now so yeah from dancing with the stars yeah okay class it's time for recess but when you get back i'll assign tonight's math homework no you're not dreaming when students actually beg to learn math and celebrate their wins together, that's the Prodigy effect.
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It's interesting. I'm so much more invested in Love is Blind than The Bachelor of like people being real.
There's more real conversation. I mean, to that point is like The Bachelor has lost some of his authenticity.
Yeah. Well, let's just get into it.
Dave is the worst. Yeah.
Dave is the worst. Yeah.
Dave fucking sucks. Nasty stinkies.
Can we just go over the story? Dave heard from one of his friends and Lauren keeps asking. Let me talk to them.
Who are these people? And he won't say. So Dave heard that Lauren already.
We're suspecting if these friends aren't real. No, I think they're probably real.
But I think he's purposely not letting Lauren talk to them. Yeah.
He was like, they're going to come over. And his sister.
So his sister. Yeah.
So sister who he won't shut up about. Yes.
For context, remember, when they were in the pods, he had asked Lauren, like, oh, when was the last time you were in a relationship? And it was, like, within the six months or, like, soon before she got on the show. He then starts this rumor on camera when they're together in person after saying, well, I heard you were, like, in a serious relationship with this guy and then broke it off with him to come on the show and I knew this

guy or like knew of this guy she told

him in the pod she told him in the pod she said she

had an unserious relationship recently before

coming into the pod and also none of this is right before

the pod so that's the part where he's pitching it as if it's

like it happened yeah

he literally said you were with him the night

before you left and she goes no I wasn't

and he was like well that's what my friends say and she's

like I wasn't and her her girlfriends

are like she was with us and he's like

I just don't know what to believe

Thank you. the night before you left.
And she goes, no, I wasn't. And he was like, well, that's what my friends say.
And she's like, I wasn't. And her girlfriends are like, she was with us.
And he's like, I just don't know what to believe. That's crazy.
I think it's crazy and insane that these people all agree to do this thing to begin with. Sure.
To go on Love is Blind. I just think if you found out someone was like hooking up with someone on a regular basis, like, and you found out from friends that other rumors, and like, I don't think that makes him a bad guy for like not knowing who to trust no one's saying he's a bad guy but i'm like you can't pretend to be precious about this when you got signed up for a show where you're engaged to someone you've never met in 30 days like but you're precious about the idea that she's been involved with somebody in a small town yeah like you're literally signing up to get married in 30 days to someone you've never met before of course shit's gonna come out in 30 days and she looks at him and she goes after she's like i'd love to talk to your friends about this like i'd love to get on the same page i'd love to and he's like yeah you know like maybe and then he's like maybe we shouldn't and then she's like well can you please like stay here tonight i feel really disconnected from you and he's like no i'm gonna, he doesn't give a fuck about her.
He obviously clearly is texting his friends being like, dude, like, just like say anything so I can get out of this relationship. Yeah, he's using it as this.
He's trying to get out of the relationship and he's doing it by humiliating her on national television. If you started dating someone who was actively on a regular basis sleeping with someone.
Then don't go on a reality TV show to get married in 30 days. I'm just saying you're allowed to have some questions.
He can have questions for sure, but he's not even listening to her. He has to listen to the answers.
But he doesn't believe her. Why wouldn't he believe her? I don't know.
He has no reason not to. He's her fiancé.
They met two weeks ago. Exactly.
Exactly. You wouldn't believe your fiancé, who was the only person in the relationship that you're talking about you're gonna believe your friends who are like four steps away from

that relationship i mean i don't know who his friends are or how they know exactly but they

weren't a part of the relationship i don't know who these friends are wouldn't you want her to go

face to face with those people being like what do you know about me that i don't know about myself

and allow me to defend myself and instead he goes i'm gonna keep you separate because i don't see

Yeah, I think... her to go face to face with those people being like what do you know about me that i don't know about myself and allow me to defend myself and instead he goes i'm gonna keep you separate because i don't see i don't like always handling that but that's what i'm only speaking on the fact that like finding out that someone in this situation had a fuck buddy for two months right before how unserious was it you know like how and i know she said it was unserious but like I'm just saying like what sex is like it's not a nothing thing nick what else what do you mean to men it is absolutely fucking nothing men can go around slinging dick and not give a flying some of them like some of them it's not so to her it was just sex she clearly she said that she's like black and white she's like listen it was just it was just sex.
Imagine if like me and you in the beginning where we start dating and then like your friends are like, yeah, dude, like she I'm friends with like some guy that she like used to hook up with. And like she was hooking up with him like right before y'all started dating.
And you were like, hey, I have a question about this. And I answered it.
And then you're like, I just don't believe you. Like, that's crazy.
My friend said and it's like, were they in the room? I definitely wouldn't say I just don't believe you like that's crazy my friend said and it's like were they in the room I definitely wouldn't say I just don't believe you that's pretty much what he's saying I might if if you were telling me something different than like people I trusted who was like yeah so I found this shit out about you it would probably affect me it would probably rattle me and if if I had a decision about whether we had to get married two weeks from that my judgment might might be clouded. I just think it's insane that he thinks he's in a position to judge her for being a single woman.
Why is he, is he definitely judging? Yes. 120,000%.
Because he is. Because he's trying to act like in today's day and age that she's doing something that she might have done something wrong.
I just feel like y'all would be not the same. Everyone's, none of us would be shocked.
Before you go on this show, you're single. You can do whatever the hell you want.
It's like people on Bachelor. Like before you, before you start filming, you are single.
You can do whatever you want. Like you can fuck around with 20 people.
You can fuck around with none. But like she's single.
And the fact that he's being like, you shouldn't have been having sex with someone before you came here is crazy. Yeah.
Also, let's read between the lines like whoever this person is that she was involved with is low-key a cloud chaser. Like the friends were like he came after me.
He came after her like and then he finally got Lauren and then it's like I don't know if you've seen now he's posting like mock photos of him as if he was casted on Love is Blind and like releasing like text messages with producers to bring him on to confront lauren psychotic yeah like so he's and it's clear that he will say anything to just like rattle someone's cage it's clear he doesn't want lauren and this guy to get married it's clear he doesn't want success for lauren so he's like oh yeah dude like yeah we were like fucking like the night before she left dude and like she was Is he saying that that yeah to his friends allegedly but we haven't talked to him all right so if this loser guy fuck buddy guy is out there saying these so he's making up rumors allegedly and he's telling these friends of dave's who like fine they don't know who this guy is they're just like yeah this fucking guy is out there saying he they did this i'm just saying dave's immediately like just supposed to like blindly believe her no matter what i'm not saying he's handling it well at all and i don't like that he abandoned her that night but the fact that he is supposed to just like dismiss it outright and pretend he doesn't have questions or pretend he doesn't care you know like? Like, I just think it's unrealistic in this setting. I think if it was a, if Lauren was like, listen, yeah, I was in like a full on relationship.
We'd been dating for six months and I like actually broke up with him to come on the show. Issue, big red flag issue there.
She's like, yeah, I was like having sex with someone. Like, yeah, I- But I see, I kind of have a problem with that.
I just feel like just feel like you know yeah i understand it's 2025 and i understand hookup culture is like a farm it's more acceptable it's more prevalent but like sex is not an a meaningless thing to a lot to a lot of people if you were just like having regular sex with someone leading up to the show regardless of your who you are but you can't say you know what sex means to her i don't know what sex means to her but it might mean something to dave i'm just saying like and i know he's a man he's the one who wanted to fuck her the first night in the in the vacation it doesn't mean shit to him that is true that is true he's asking everyone are you fucking are you fucking because we're not because we're not i'm just saying sex isn't meaningless but he's going around asking every other couple of is it are you guys having sex because i'm not like i just want to know if you are so i can kind of gauge where i'm at so i'm like no he's not precious he's only precious about it because it affects him or it's his way of getting out of things it's he's not being honest if he was actually taking accountability or being like i want to figure out where this is you would have her sitting down with the friends that are talking shit and we would conflict resolve this but instead what if his friends don't want to be on the show his friends do he was literally like i'm gonna text them to not come because i don't want them to sit face to face with you why would that be they were gonna have a full-on dinner with him i just think and he pulled the plug i'm just like the idea that like fucking is meaningless and sex is meaningless but now you're making a macro thing where we're talking about two people like as to how you guys are just like oh it's it's fucking it's nothing they weren't serious people it's nothing we have three people in this scenario we have lauren we have this guy that she was fucking and we have dave and to all three of them clearly sex is is meaningless dave wanted to fuck the first night he met her so clearly it was like meaningless to all three of them not to keep it going but you're definitely right that dave is intimidated or insecure about lauren and that relationship but I just I didn't matter. So clearly it was like meaningless to all three of them.
Not to keep it going, but you're definitely right that Dave is intimidated or insecure about Lauren and that relationship. But I just, I don't think that's her fault necessarily, but he had this.
I don't think it's her fault. And I think he's definitely handling it poorly.
Yeah. I just think he is allowed to feel a certain way about the fact that she was in a physical relationship shortly prior to coming on this show.
And I don't think that makes him a bad guy. I think if she asked him when was the last time that you shared any moment with any other woman? Moment? It would be probably the day before I left for the show.
I don't think it would be months or years prior to him going.

I don't think his life stopped when he got the opportunity to maybe potentially go on Love is Blind. I don't know.
But when people ask my advice before going on these shows, one of the things I say the most to them is be very careful about your dating life and leading up to going on these shows because it will come up. And like if a show is about getting married or engaged, your intentions about taking this experience seriously will be questioned.
It's like, it always has been. I don't think Lauren has shown us any inkling that she hasn't taken this seriously.
I don't think that they're going to make it. I don't think they're going to make it either.
Daniel wasn't following Taylor. Yeah.
Taylor checked taylor checked the unfollowers app yeah i mean a lot of drama what did that all come a lot of drama that went nowhere yeah i feel like that's gonna come full circle though i think she freaked out and had like a panic now are you referring to the time where like season like episode five started and she's like half looking and then like she's like i don't know i have so many followers and then she just kind of stopped no she said oh my god so many people have unfollowed she has that app tells me more than I need to know literally it does but also I'm reading into the teaser a lot but there's like a clip of a blonde woman it could be anybody but I'm assuming it's Taylor in the wedding dress crying walking back to the car after walking into the room and that to me is giving maybe she found out that he actually was there.

Or they just were like,

yeah, he just was like,

yeah.

Or that too.

Or he was too short.

You could be a typical like,

hey.

Well, to your point,

I wonder if,

well.

There's no other blonde right now.

So that's why I'm like.

Sarah.

If they're not together,

if Daniel and Taylor aren't getting together

at the reunion,

it'll be interesting

if she's like,

actually, I went back

and he was following me.

She's like,

now I've had more time to look. And I was able to.
One of the mutuals saw him and was like, that's the man. It was actually TikTok.
Does he not look kind of like Jojo Siwa? He does. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
He does. Yeah, no, I can't unsee it.
He does. Everyone's putting all these men in the same thing.
And they're being like, this is the exact same man. Like, it's like sheen it's two day delivery Timu it's like yeah there's no facial hair Virginia wanted a prenup that was one of the other things good for her good for her you're on Love is Blind get the prenup on Love is Blind you met him two weeks ago but they should all sign prenups 100% his family though is kind of like questioning it it's weird to have an issue with that when you literally have just met them, right? We don't know anything about each other.
It's like, hey, babe, it might not work out. It's also giving at this point she has more money than him.
Well, yeah. Yeah.
She's got a nicer place. She wants to be a millionaire soon.
Or doesn't understand. Maybe she's giving Tom Schwartz who wanted a prenup and he had $200 to his name.
I think she walked into his apartment, saw a studio with 500 pairs of $700 shoes, and was like, hmm, we're not giving financially responsible. The way they talk about her age on this show is wild.
It's crazy. She's 33 years old.
She's an absolute stunning of a human being. Right.
And they talk about her as if she is- Signing up for ARP card tomorrow. How old is he? Three years younger? 28, 29.
That's crazy. Why are they making this age gap thing such a storyline? That's true, yeah.
There is no age gap. He looks 10 years older than me.
He looks 45.

Because when they talk about the high school, she's like, we weren't

in the same class. We wouldn't have been there at the same time.

And it's like, three years is not that big of a difference.

Yeah, like, babe, you're a senior.

Is she making it more

of a big deal? She's joked about

how people see her as a young person.

She's like, well, I'm actually a successful doctor.

But then they're also using that storyline as a way to

She's also only 33. Well, I can tell you a big issue that i have that i just can't get over um monica's story about how she leaves piles of clothes just stashed in her closet to put it on with a spider this was giving nick and nally share a cup the sock the communal sock i'm sorry i'm gonna be so honest with y' with you.
I really do skip through Monica and Joey because I just can't.

Well, she said that she likes to leave her

clothes in a pile and she doesn't

fold it, but they're clean. And she said

one time she put on a pair of jeans

and saw this white stuff in her

crotch. So it's like, yeah, you know what you're

thinking it is. And then she goes and

then saw something crawl out of it and it

comes out that it was like a wolf spider

who built a nest in the crotch of her pants. She said this on TV? She said this on national television.
Because she would wash her clothes and just throw it on the floor and then pick her clothes from the floor. Ew.
Yeah. Well, Joey was like, we can't do this.
We have to, you know. He's like, we're going to fix this.
She's filthy. And Joey, who you're not expecting, likes to like fold his clothes.
He likes to put everything away. I didn't see the way he folds t-shirts and that was yeah it's like you're putting too much fucking effort into it he also said he's like gotten over OCD in the past so I don't think he's gotten over it whatsoever the way he was folding those t-shirts was very much getting very condo when she was like you don't like that fold he's like I do not like that fold I did also see the part where he was very much she was like they're worried that like you're not good enough for me and he was like do they think anyone is ever going to be good enough for you and she was like no her sister her sister like that was awful it was real projection city yeah oh when she was like i'm supposed to get married yes when she was like i'm supposed but i guess it could i guess it should be you like the the sabotaging your sister's relationship because you're not in a relationship and gonna get married that's some district well also isn't the sister's boyfriend monica's ex monica's ex boyfriend well or like they didn't date they went on like two dates or something and then she and then they weren't into each other and then she ended up with i missed that which is like me like douche pimples i'm like there's got to be more people in your life than to be dating somebody that your sister well the problem i really had with it it's like whatever don't like your sister's boyfriend or whatever have a problem with the show fine but she she was basically accusing joey of being manipulative and she was like he's he clearly says things because you know's saying the right things.
She accused him of lying and being an actor and being disingenuous. That's a pretty strong accusation.
Especially for like, what, 30 minutes of meeting someone? Yeah. And he's just being kind to your family? Solely based off the fact that you're not about to get married and your younger sister is.
No, and she was like, he's not your type.

Your type's a six foot five Italian model.

And even she was like, is that not everybody's type?

And then she's like, well,

I don't know if I'm going to be able to get that.

And her sister's like, well, I think you should hold out.

First of all, six five specifically.

First of all, take out any type of ethnicity

or like, you know, preferences around that or occupation.

But six five.

Yeah.

How many, what's the percentage of men that are six five?

It says less than 1%.

Thank you. of ethnicity or like you know preferences around that or occupation but six five yeah how many what's the percentage of men that are six five it says less than one percent less than one percent now what were other qualifications italian how many of them how many now just italian percentage of italian men over six five compared no listen it's it's it's gonna be nothing less than one Less than a half half a percent the average italian male height is around five nine and it is very uncommon to find men exceeding six five in italy so already a rarity in general for the entire nation yeah but her sister is like earnestly telling her sister to like forego this guy who seems to be like pretty nice and have a really good chemistry with her seems to be a really real gentleman even um andrea denver from summer house italian model 6'2 so even then the one italian model i know off the top of my head does not hit 6'5 what did y'all think of the sarah and ben like there's some girl who posted a tiktok she like apparently was with you and he's like, that was four years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a DM here or there. Yeah, no, this one was weird.
His reaction was weird. Yeah, it was the reaction too, more so, like where it was kind of like cagey, like, yeah, I don't know why she posted it, but I've seen it, so I don't need to watch it again.
So who posted TikTok? Weird that he saw it. Some girl that apparently used to be in involvement with Ben, she posted a TikTok, I guess, whenever they announced that the Minneapolis is filming.
I feel like I heard about this way back in the day when it happened. Probably.
I brought it up before, yeah. She's like crying and being like, these men, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I don't know exactly what she said. She didn't show the video.
Well, his side of the story, Ben said they met on Tinder, never hooked up, in quotes, I just honestly don't remember. It was four years ago and it was a short amount of time.
She's claiming that they were like full on in a relationship, hooking up, and then he just ghosted her. Yeah.
And that there were like a lot of DMs and that's where he's like, well, there might be a DM or two. Like, I don't know.
But she always DMed me is what he said. Yeah.
What does that even mean? Exactly. I don't know.
As Sarah said, like there's definitely going to be more that comes out. And she was like, you better tell me everything right now.
Cause if more comes out, like I will not trust you. And it looked like he had the fear of God in his eyes.
And he was like, but it's a little tough. If you, even if let's say you believe his story, his story of being four years ago, if someone says, listen, if anything comes out, will never believe you and he's this this this is a person who based on his story is already coming out saying shit i could see why he still has a look of like yeah i mean i don't think anything's gonna come out but like fuck you know like yeah on ben's behalf like it was four years Like, I don't remember stuff that has happened four years ago.

Like, especially if to him it was like such a blip of a relationship.

Clearly to her, it was more if she's saying that they were full on dating or whatever.

I do think it's weird that he was already aware of this TikTok video and didn't bring it up to Sarah.

She had to find it on her own.

And that he, yeah, he went on a blocking spree and like did not bring it up to his fiance when like hey so there's a tiktok out there like this girl i was with four years ago so little it's a little weird but i i can at least empathize with why he was unsure about the time like doesn't have his phone on um i don't know these people are so like out yeah but they're still like phone enough to go and block her no i get it i mean but i'm saying they're in this like science experiment i just think you guys don't really appreciate just the mind fuck that it is to be in this social experiment they're in so to to criticize the their choices they're making in it you know i think it's easy from our position to be like, he should have said this and he probably should have. I think it's a weird thing to call someone your fiance, which I get there.
They are, they are engaged. They're about to get married.
Who's also someone you didn't know three weeks ago. It's just a mind fuck.
It's a weird thing. And, um, I don't think there's a right answer.
I, you know, I just, he was probably hoping like there could have been a producer being like i don't know she's fucking crazy this shit always happens at the time it's not a thing like don't bring it up there's how many times have i brought up to things to like friends or girlfriends at the time and they were like why'd you tell me that you know like i didn't need to know that you know and it was an earnest attempt to be honest it's not that big of a deal it's not that big deal. Like post bachelor, like after I was the bachelor and I was in a relationship, there was things that I, I really wanted to be transparent and honest.
And there was a lot of things where it was like, I didn't need to know that. Thanks for telling me.
And it'd be, you know, so I don't know. It's, I don't think it's that simple.
I do think it's weird that these people are trying to make such big deals out of what these people were doing before going on the show. I think this is, I think there's a lot not going on this season.
Yeah. And I think you're, you're seeing, like, I don't care that Ben was in a relationship four years ago and ghosted the girl.
I don't give a fuck. I don't care that Lauren was fucking a guy before she went on the show.
I don't care. Well, four years ago, they didn't even have sex.
He says, even if they did, you met on Tinder. It's hard when you say like this never happened and you're like well i don't remember traitors traitors well we'll keep it short and sweet because we do have martin cove coming up here more and momentarily but like i think my biggest takeaway is if i go on traitors ever if i ever get the opportunity i don't think i'll be able to give this many shits like danielle and carolyn yeah i mean the performance from dan Danielle when Carolyn got voted out was the most...
I imagine they're going to be sad, you know, like, I get they're sad, I get they're excited, but, like, they're really leaning into this being, like, life or death. I was so betrayed.
You got a traitor out. Why you're breaking down in tears.
It's a game show. Danielle, specifically, is the one doing too much.
Doing too much. Well, according to Chrishell, who was here last week, I mean, the fact that she's swearing on family members.
Another thing I won't do if I go on traitors. Like, I don't care if I'm a faithful.
I don't care if I'm a traitor. If you ask me to swear on my kids, I'm like, fuck you.
I think the fact that they didn't air any of that is more telling like why are they protecting danielle in that sense like why wouldn't air that that's something that like i'm sure people would love to hear the audience i think they appreciate how intense she is i think they appreciate just how like giving of the moment like they're leaning into and i think for them to like air that would make you know danielle is making excellent tv she's been i mean yeah we can debate whether it's kind of shady to watch swearing your kids hard to watch i don't hate danielle as much ever i think she's a savage i mean like hard to watch whatever but she's an absolute fucking savage say you know we all like fawned over boston rob well fuck man he's a distant distant memory she's outlasted all the traitors she's like she's no one thinks she's a traitor I mean no one thought Caroline was a traitor and the way like Danielle set up Caroline and like absolutely just eviscerated her was just really I mean fuck man she's a fucking killer I have two thoughts I think nobody thinks she's a traitor because of what she said that they cut out that they're like there's no way like she's apparently dolores said there's no way anybody would like swear on their grandchildren like it's not worth it and then also it's like they're all gone all the other traitors are gone because danielle decided to be me before you and sabotage everybody else yeah so it's like you're absolutely right she made it all about and it makes sense that if she's going to, what's her name? Do you think she told Brittany she's a traitor? She's recruiting her for sure. Do you think before she recruited her, she went to Brittany and was like, hey.
I think Brittany knows she's a traitor. I think Brittany suspects now that she, I think she knows now before the season, the episode ended before like Danielle took off her hood.
I think she even said if like, it'd be obvious. i think she knows now before you know the season the episode ended before like

danielle took off her hood i think she even said if like it's it'd be obvious i think she definitely is expecting danielle to be underneath that hood yeah but i don't think she told her and i think danielle based on what we heard about chrishell is that like if that's all true danielle is like seriously worried about like her being like i think she realizes she said some crazy shit and that's what's protecting her.

And she deserves to, I mean, I don't know. Maybe we should no longer believe people who say things like that.
After the season, I think everybody's going to be like, don't trust. I swear to God, I don't believe in God.
Oh yeah, didn't Bob the drag queen say that? Oh yeah, but he was doing a whole, and anyone that knows Bob, like as soon as he said that, me being a fan of Bob, I knew exactly where that was going. I knew it was a joke.
I think Danielle was probably trying to do what Bob did. Maybe she's telling a joke.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know Danielle outside of the show, but I know Bob from other shows.
Maybe for all we know, in Danielle's family or circle of friends, they think swearing on family members is the dumbest fucking thing.

It means nothing.

And it's something people do.

And they're like, sure, I swear on my fucking cousins.

Because who gives a fuck?

Because none of that matters.

And they're not superstitious people.

And they think it's stupid.

So why wouldn't they air it?

I was going to say, yeah.

Because I think they still want to protect their traitors. And they still want to protect how crazy everyone's losing their minds.
And because it makes it more dramatic, if we knew that Danielle said that, we would be like, that's why people aren't suspecting Danielle. As opposed to being more like, why aren't people suspecting Danielle? It makes for better TV.
Yeah, because traitors operates on a way of like, of like the fun of traders is watching everyone look stupid when you know who the traders are and you get to watch people like look a traitor right in the face and not realize they're a traitor it's incredible because you're watching you believe that you're watching people be dumb yeah well tom and dolores i was gonna say i love that they just keep throwing their votes and voting for each other. It's like, girl...
Like, what is going on here? The most delusional thing. It's so petty.
It's so true, though. Listen, I heard what everybody else had to say, but you know what? I don't want you.
I just don't trust you, Tom. It's you.
They're always like, I don't have enough evidence. The fact that they both didn't.
And they both know the other one is a faithful. It's the best part.
They're both saying it like they believe that the other person's a traitor. 100%.
They just want the other one gone. At this point, it's Ivor, Gabby, and Dylan at the table.
It's like everybody else is just throwing their votes for no reason. Well, Gabby seems like she's on to it and catching on what's happening.
So I'm hoping she executes before she gets executed. I worry for her every day.
I know. Danielle and Caroline made a huge mistake by not recruiting Gabby as a traitor.
The fact that it was Brittany or nobody. Right.
Caroline's not wrong, though. If they recruited Brittany, she would have been.
Caroline was absolutely right for saying no. Danielle was absolutely wrong for bringing anyone but her.
Yeah, well, that's on Danielle. Well, although she got, she did, I don't know, or not.
She she got her way isn't the lore that on Big Brother it was Danielle and Brittany and then Brittany backstab Danielle yes yeah also what do you think about forgetting about I know we're all coming at Danielle here for like you know swaying on her kids little fucked up of Carolyn to go to Dylan and be like this is why people like judge me and not take me seriously make dylan feel that's true about like people not believing her that's the thing this is all a game of manipulation that's what i'm saying so carolyn was carolyn was speaking her truth though like she was that is true she's like i'm always seen as the quirky weird person and people don't take me seriously so that's true but she was leaning into that narrative to protect herself. And then going to Dylan and making him feel like he had judged her in a wrong way.
And what he did, he started picking up on her dishonesty and then she made him feel bad for it. Her reaction at the chess thing when they were like, Dolores was like, oh, well, like you kept, like Carolyn, you were saying, Tom, you were on it.
And she was and she was like no I didn't I didn't say that if she just would have been like well he was really pitching himself I don't know he really was convincing me like it would have played so much better but because she was like huh no what me I didn't say that I didn't say anything and that moment Joan's like oh shit yeah we are I think her saying that she's been bullied in the past is not the same as swearing on your grandchildren I I agree. I don't.
I also think both of them don't really matter because it's TV. Oh, it's also, yeah, a total fucking game.
Yeah, for sure. It's chill as fuck.
But if we're going to call Danielle out, I think Caroline is no different. And also, am I wrong, but if I were going to recruit somebody as a traitor, I'm recruiting Dylan.
No, because then it's like Pete, where he turns it down. I don't think he had the option to turn it down.
They're not allowed.

It was either you turn it down or you go home.

Yeah, this one.

The second one, though, or the first one before.

No, I think you're wrong. Now

that Caroline's gone, Brittany does

not have the option. But before, I

believe. They did.

They did. But this one, they don't.

So that's what I'm saying is that I'm like, I would have the option.

Oh, true, though. Well, but she that's

the Danielle show. She doesn't care about

that's what I'm saying. I'm like, we're like the most like

Thank you. they did but this one they don't so that's what i'm saying is that i'm like i would have the option oh true though well but she that's the danielle show she doesn't care about that's what i'm saying i'm like we're like the most like unsuspecting person that everybody knows is a faithful like why would you not want to recruit that guy force him you know it's also everyone thinks that both traitors are girls right now so why would you not grab a guy and flip that it's because she knows britney's gonna go to bat for her her so Britney's going to be the deflection I don't think Britney's actually going to go to bat for her because at the end of the day they all want to win so Britney's going to cut her throat just like she did on Big Brother Britney's done it before she'll do it again I hope she does I'm really excited to watch what happens next we'll see well up next we have a very endearing conversation with Martin Cove.
You know him from the hit series Cobra Kai, also from the Karate Kid movies. He has some great endearing stories, obviously, about his time on Cobra Kai.
It was a great chat with Martin. I look forward to listening to it, and that is up next.
Yeah, that's kind of one of the things I'm working on now. Can I take it out of this? Yeah, sure.
What is this? Is this a comic book? That's a graphic novel of four issues. Four issues of a comic book called The Prodigal Son that we're developing into a series.
And there's a convention in Glendale. In Glendale this coming week.
And then I'll be signing there. And I own it, and we're going to do it as a series.
It's about a gunfighter that I'll play who's killed everything, and there's a 12-year-old kid that he bonds with, and they exchange moral fiber between them, and they each learn how to be human. The kid learns how to be a survivalist, and I learn how be a human being so that that that's their character right there yeah yeah if you open it up full you'll see well the character is all through the book you know he's the lead and um he's uh he's the man in black and they're both on a mission to get this bad gang that i at one time ran.
And I was ostracized by my son, who in real life, my son will play the leader of the gang. And it's really a good story.
It's very much like John Kreese in Cobra Kai, you know. Wow.
How long did it take you to write that? I wrote all the broad strokes, the treatments for each four issues. One of my partners, Don Hanfield, he wrote the dialogue in the comic in the captions.
And then we had an artist do the artwork. Wow.
It was beautiful artwork. Yeah, it's really incredible artwork.
Oh, yeah. And I kind of see you in there a little bit.
Oh, yeah. I find that the comic book world doesn't care what you look like.
So in a couple of issues, you could see it's Martin Cove. A couple of issues, you would know if it's me or Elvis Costello.
Sure. You know? I mean, it's like, and they don't care.
You know, it explained to me that it's at the hands of the artist you know and i don't

really you know i'm a comic book collector of tv and movie comic books you know 60s westerns and

all but we'll talk about this through the thing yeah yeah we're kind of already talking about

yeah we're recording we just uh martin cove everybody martin cove everybody i'm very excited

to have you man i uh i've been a fan of the Karate Kid franchise since I was a kid. Karate Kid 2 might be one of my favorites.
That opening scene where you're punching through the glass. It was very cool.
Obviously, Culper Kai coming out. So very excited to have you.
Very cool for me. Thank you.
Younger me i i get very excited when i have guests like yourself on this show you know i kind of started the show and then never thought i'd have people that i've known my whole life and just was fans of and watched as a kid growing up so it's very cool i i you know it's interesting when when that happens you know it's like when i when i was sean connery standing in 1972 in a movie called The Anderson Tapes. I just started acting and there I was working with Sean Connery and I was a glorified extra.
It was called a photo double. You know, you stand in, line up a shot.
You know, it was like my second year in the business. And the most fascinating thing I learned from him, and he was working with lots of actors then who were very popular, who are gone now.
Martin Balsam, Jack Warden, just Diane Cannon, you know. I learned how to listen from this guy.
You know, it was really interesting. He had a plot to rob this Fifth Avenue building, and he had to get a lot of people's cooperation.
And the greatest thing that I learned from Sean Connery being there for six,

eight weeks was how to listen in a scene, you know?

And he was a great guy.

I bumped into him years later, played tennis with him over here in Motor

Avenue opposite Fox.

And it was great.

Did you win?

Yeah, who won?

Well, it was a very funny story.

We can't really tell it aloud here

because there's a lot of cursing.

You can curse.

You can curse here?

It's up to you, but we allow it.

Yeah.

So we're playing tennis.

I bump into him.

This is like 15 years later

and I finished Cagney Lacey

and I finished Karate Kid 1

and I was a little established

and I said, Sean, do you remember me? And he's looking for a tennis game. And this is probably 85, I think.
And he says, no. And I said, well, okay.
We're hitting. And he's hitting everything into the net over my head.
He played terribly. He had a bad back and tennis wasn't his game game he played golf so every time he hit the ball over the net he screamed fuck fuck bitch son of a fuck you know screaming out loud and i'm dying i'm dying on the other end of the court hysterical because i'm saying to myself shit i'm playing tennis with james bond and he curses just like me you know yeah and it was just it was the height of the day you know he was a good guy really good guy did you finally tell him how y'all knew each other after the game no i asked if he remembered me at the very top of of when we chatted at the beginning when I saw him, he was looking for a game.

And he didn't remember me. And I said, Sean, do you remember me? I was just standing.
And he says, no. But do you want to play? So, yeah, sure.
Isn't that great how we remember those stories from so long ago and they stick with us. and just hearing how you even got into acting and here you are now so many years later

replaying a character that was so iconic in like the 80s it just like just you know kind of it always sticks with you it's always always fun to hear those like throwback stories the character was you know a very one-dimensional character in the movies but when we did the series i i did not want him to be anything really but vulnerable and have an arc and have a lot of colors in his emotional colors and people to learn why he was the way he was in the movies, you know, tough, hard, one dimensional, you know, and they did it. They wrote those things and it made me feel really good, especially in the end, season six, where he has so many people that, there are so many interviews.
My son reads me all the interviews. There are so many, I guess they're not really interviews, they're actually criticisms or appreciation in the sense of a review of the final season and all they wanted to see more of what happened to me they wanted to have more development of the redemption yeah that makes and i thought that was really good because it made me feel like well you know johnny lawrence is the lead of the show but that this tough guy had enough redemption through the season because six is good for the character.
And he had enough redemption that people wanted more of that. And it wasn't something you saw in the character because, you know, he's tough.
He was very moral, but it was his way of the highway. You know, very impatient impatient character.
And a lot of those residual effects that playing John Kreese stayed with me for a long time. You know, he finished five years, five months a year, four months a year.
And some of that darkness was hard to rub off. It was, you know.
Yeah, did you, were there people like in the height with with critic in the movies playing this villainous character that was so kind of rugged i mean john creese was a really good bad guy in the best possible way but i imagine fans of the franchise it did they treat you a certain way sometimes where they kind of confused you know john versus martin i'm go to malibu and be in the supermarket and i all of a sudden get nailed in the lower back like punched hard what you know and it was a little kid i'll never forget it was a little kid and it was in the market basket i think in halibu years ago and he nailed me and he looked at me and he says,

you hurt Ralph.

And I was like, I couldn't do anything because the kid was a little kid. He hit me so hard.

You know, right in the gun

and the hip.

And people were affected

by that. They really thought

that he was so one-dimensional,

so tough. I remember

John Avilson coming to me.

I tried to smile a little bit

Thank you. by that you know they really thought that he was so one-dimensional so tough i remember john avilson coming to me you know i try to smile a little bit in the karate kid one movie and he came up to me he says martin cove i don't want i don't want the marty cove charm i don't want the twinkle i want death so i said okay you know now i just finished a lovely movie for his son you know ash avilson which it's a terrific little movie and it's called the queen of the ring about the first first female wrestler and i play a character with a lot of vulnerability with a lot of of enjoyment of the female warrior and i give you know, women in wrestling world were not allowed to wrestle until you couldn't wrestle in California or New York until 1972.
Wow. So women in the 40s and 50s and 60s, I was the promoter, the wrestling commissioner, actually, and I played this character.
And not until the 50s did he give this woman her name was um um mildred uh a license to wrestle because this wasn't happening and he was he truly believed that women could wrestle and it could be a good entertainment and he did it and he promoted it and helped uh her get started in the mid. And then it all exploded and she became, you know, very wealthy.
And the, I guess, the point of no return for women in that sport, you know, because she went ahead and wrestled men. And so it was cool.
Wow. You know, so it's really funny.
You come full circle. So, you know playing this one dimensional soldier of death.
And then now I'm playing, last year I did this movie, and Ash is a wonderful writer. And John's gone, but Ash directed and wrote this wonderful film.
Do you find the vulnerable characters to be harder to play than the one-dimensional ones is because you kind of have to channel some of your own vulnerabilities sometimes versus just kind of playing a bad guy or they both equally have its challenges? Well, they both equally have their challenges, but, you know, in my work, I'll go back into personal situations, which I can, if I have to play something very vulnerable, like with Johnny Lawrence at the end, anytime it's vulnerability, I bring into some personal situations, whether it be with family or my, you know, my ex-girlfriend who, you know, we were together for like seven years and broke up 12 times. And it was very volatile, you know, it was like always like this.
So there was a lot to draw from. And a lot of those emotions were emotions that were, you know, impatience and my way of the highway or the stuff that came out of John crease.
So it like rubbed Martin Cove and then Martin Cove was allowed to use it and personalize it for other things involving the character. Yeah.
Per se, vulnerability. Per se, sadness.
And so it kind of was interesting because you could use a residual emotion gathered by the character and then ultimately use it in real life if it works for you or not and then use it again when you have to be vulnerable and kind and soft and gentle you know so it was quite an interesting ride with this character and my new project um particle son is uh the character is very similar. And I look forward to that, to doing it as a series.
You know, an old gunfighter set in his ways like John Kreese, you know, with a 12-year-old kid who could be like a Johnny Lawrence. And learning, each of them exchanging moral fiber with each other, learning how to be survivalists and a human being.

See, today, I don't think kids have any heroes. I think when I grew up in the 60s, there were 35 Westerns.
You're both too young for that, but there were 35 Westerns on primetime TV. So you could choose your heroes.
Then you had movies in the 50s and 60s. You had movies with John Wayne about films like The Searchers,

who I modeled my character, John Kreese, after, because John Wayne played a real son of a bitch in that movie. And it was a great film, one of John Ford's best Westerns.
I just want to leave the legacy of kids having heroes. So when I go out, I know I've left the children a choice of having a hero.
And I think they'll look at this boy in The Prodigal Son. It's a great comic book.
There's four issues in that graphic novel. And this week, we'll go to the comic convention, and I'll see the climate for everything.
That's awesome. Is this going to end production already no it's not in production because we're looking for a show right now okay right off the press it's it's the graphic novel that i own that was four issues and the four issues will hit the stores and this is a comic book convention of all the owners of comic book stores so it's here in los Angeles.
How did you find out that they were creating Cobra Kai and bringing back kind of the Karate Kid universe? Was that a shock to you or did you hear rumblings of it? It had been so many years since, you know, the movies were out. What was that like for you to hear that concept that they were coming out with this series? William Zabka told me.
And they went to Billy and went to Ralph and got them aboard. And then they came to me.
It's a funny story. They told me they wanted me to be in the 10th episode of season one to attract people to watch season two.
And they were afraid to tell me this because they were so taken by the toughness of this character that they thought I would kick their ass in the restaurant. We went to Dan Tannis.
And they told us, literally told it on the podcast. That was my, my children and myself.
We had a podcast for a while and they came as guests, all three writers,, John, and Hayden. And they said, we thought you were going to kick our ass because we wanted you to come in and see episode 10 instead of episode five or six, which is what I wanted to come in on.
I thought it was really funny that they admitted to that and they felt that. I never felt it at the meeting.
And it kind of made sense. Come in episode 10, set up season two.

And it did, because no one thought I'd return.

There's 30 years, and then the real story's only just begun.

It's my favorite line.

So it was very interesting.

And they made the deal.

Because they were different.

You take so many hit movies, try to be television series, and they fail.

Oh, yeah.

And this one was through the eyes of Johnny Lawrence.

It was different.

And everybody, YouTube liked it, gave them an order for 10.

And then when YouTube did not want any more original programming, two years later, we had shown massive numbers.

And especially it was during COVID, so everybody was home.

And the show became a phenomenon on television.

And then ultimately, Netflix bought it.

Thank you. And it's really fascinating to see these characters like Johnny and John who are just like, you had this strong opinion about who they were when you watched those movies.
And then just to see the other side, the empathy or just what created them to be the certain way. And then Ralph's character.
And then you see flaws in that character where in the movie he was the golden boy and this kind of righteous character. It's way more captivating that way.
It'd be interesting to see if there's other shows or movies out there where they learn from Cobra Kai and kind of take that approach rather than trying to just recreate a movie and adapt it to a TV series. You know, my son showed me a 15-minute pilot that he did.
And the writing was brilliant. And I don't remember the author's name, but he had written many, many books.
And this was a 15-minute pilot, very similar to Jack Reacher. And it was brilliant, though.
And why was it brilliant? Because of the writing. Because the writing, every line, and I looked at it on an iPad.
He said, Jesse, this is fantastic. And he did it a while ago.
And without the written word, without the writing of Cobra Kai, you know, I talk about it on interviews all the time. We wouldn't have had the success.
You know, you could be, you know, John Kreese, Johnny Lawrence, Ralph Macho coming out of a hit a hit movie sure but you have to perform and come to the table with the good writing for all the other characters for our personal problems you've got to come with development and these cats knew everything about our character two years in advance so they knew where you you were gonna go After season one, I went, met with mercenaries. I met with army rangers.
I met with everyone that could have met John Kreese in the field. Made notes on a legal yellow pad, five pages of notes.
Went to lunch. Everything I had on my notes, they already knew the flashbacks to introduce this character in a certain way, you know, in a snake pit killing his captain.
You know, they knew it all. They had it all planned out in their head.
There was nothing I could say. You know, none of my notes were pertinent.
And I was, you know, I made a lot of notes because I always thought karate kid was my show you know so you know so if you treat it that way then you know you make an abundance of notes and you know kagney and lacy i used to i always thought it was kagney lacy and his becky which is the character's name you know it also was a good show and i think that show kagney and lacy was marvelous and would have been a big hit today it was ahead of its time back in the 80s you know but um you know i've been lucky enough to be part of some really good stuff how do you feel like cobra kai connected with its audience like do you have you know i know when you were back in the day you got punched by a little kid but did you did you have any better moments with some of the younger fans of cobra k Kai and you felt like you resonated or it spoke to them in a certain way? Certainly. You go to a Comic-Con and I used to ask people, why do you like the show? And they say, well, the kids watch the show and then we go up to them and say, would you like to see the movies that we grew up on with the same characters.
And the kids say, well, okay, daddy.

They all go and they watch the movies and the kids love the movies. All the family will gather around the TV to watch Cobra Kai now.
It's a family event. So there aren't very many family

events on television. So that's how it became popular from the beginning.
And then people say,

you're the best villain on TV. We love to hate you.
But when you got stabbed in the prison,

Thank you. But when you got stabbed in the prison, you cried.
So I said to myself, you know, I don't want to be known as a villain. I really don't.
And the mere fact that they cried, I actually did my job. Yeah, you connected with them.
I connected with them. And certainly in the sixth season this sixth season you know lots of tears you know that last scene with billy is wonderful they wrote great stuff sure could i have been longer could you see me survive you know the the boat explosion we shot a scene where you see my hand going to a magazine with just my ring and a cigar to be introduced into episode 15, the last bit.
You don't see me. You would see that and assume I made it.
But it was a little hokey to have that boat blow up the way it did. And 24 hours later, I survived.
Smoking a cigar, read a magazine. Yeah.
so it was kind of like, you know, too much. And I understood it when, you know, but in the articles you see people saying, wow, John Kreese always survives everything.
He says, why didn't someone throw him a lifeline? There was one picture of me being in the water, right? Someone AI'd it and me huddling onto a lifeline in the water. It's funny.
You know, the reactions are enormous. You know, very popular.
That's awesome. So you wish you can take that into, you know, Prodigal Son, that kind of success.
I'd love to have the, you know, the writers be basically the showrunners of my, you know, my friend Lincoln Loggason is wonderful. He was a producer, the line producer on a variety of things, Rough Riders, and did a lot of Larry Levinson's movies and did a touch of love for Hallmark for a picture that my son started.
And I play a restaurateur and I'd like those kinds of movies, even though it wasn't real schmalsy like a Hallmark movie. It was about love and food.
And I like to be able to do that again, you know, have the emotionality of what I displayed in the final season utilized in other characters. That would be fun.
Characters that are not bad guys guys are you sad to see it come to an end are you more excited about what this success of cobra kai can allow you to do like you just kind of talked about some of these other characters that you'd love a chance to play it more of yeah it allowed me to just be have a level of confidence in your instrument and your work.

Because anything practiced makes perfect.

So the mere fact you get a TV series, you can go act several times a week.

No matter who you are, you're going to get better.

I tell that to my son.

And he's really good. You know, he has a movie out that I produced, which is a film called The Gunfighter's Deal.
And it's the story of a coward in a Western town who makes a deal with the devil to be the fastest gun in the West. And then he tries to renege and the devil says no.
It's a lovely little movie. We shot it about a year ago in Florida.
And it's a western.

And it was just bought by

the Shout Factory for

distribution. And

they're a western organization.

They co-produced this

movie on streaming called Old Henry

about Billy the Kid.

And they own Stagecoach,

the original John Ford

Stagecoach from 1939. and all of Kenny Rogers' Westerns, the gambler ones.
And they're just Western lovers, so they'll really nurse this piece properly. That's great, man.
It's so fun to hear all these stories. Before we let you go, we have a fun game.
I don't know. Do you like

games? Sure.

I don't imagine you watch any

reality TV. No, I don't watch reality TV.

I assumed as much. Our audience

likes a bit of- You're missing out.

You're missing out. There are a lot of villains

who are very, very dynamic in it.

Yeah, you can channel some character.

They have their villains, but we thought we'd play

a fun game, a little crossover.

Mary came up with this game.

You want to tell them the name?

Yeah.

It's called 80s Movie or Bravo Villain.

So the premise being these iconic quotes, did they come from a reality TV villain or

an iconic 80s movie villain?

Yes.

And then you just have to guess.

It's so simple.

All right.

All right.

All right.

And so an 80s reality show villain?

No, no, no. It'll be a modern day reality TV villain or an 80s movie.
80s just movie. Yeah, 80s just movie.
A reality, present day reality villain. And you just have to guess.
Or an 80s villain. Correct.
Got it. Yeah.
All right. So we just show you a quote from either an 80s movie villain or a reality TV villain.

And it's your job to guess who said it.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right. So first up, we have, fuck me gently with a chainsaw.

Do I look like Mother Teresa?

Ooh.

Ooh.

It's a good line.

It's a good line.

Yeah, it's a very good line.

Well, it's definitely an 80s movie because it wouldn't work on reality TV. So.
Mary? You are correct. It was Heather Chandler from Heather's 1988.
Wow. All right, so do I say if it's like that, an 80s movie? Yeah, just 80s movie or reality TV is perfect.
You don't have to say who did it. You don't have to guess.
Unless you know. Unless I know.
Unless you know for sure.

That's good. If I know, I know.
If you know, you know.

And they can curse

on reality TV.

They might say fuck.

They can curse on reality, even

network reality TV. They just bleep it.

Oh, I got it.

They say it a lot.

Next up we have

This town needs an enema this town needs an enema it sounds like something from a reality show it is the joker it's jack nicholson or jack nicholson in a tim burton now that you say that i kind of remember that line from the movie oh yeah he has so many great lines that was a great movie there was a there was a movie i always use as an example it's an egotistical example there's a movie called the carnal knowledge that he did back in 72 and did with ann margaret and he's in the he's in the bedroom and she's wailing and she says, I love you.

I want you.

I need you.

And he says, and only the way Jack Nicholson can say it like that line,

you know, he says, well, I'm taken.

And he's getting dressed to leave and she's in the bedroom and she wants him

to just come back to bed.

And he says, I'm taken.

And she says, by who?

You know, as if she's jealous. And what woman do you have? And he says, I'm taken.
And she says, by who? You know, as if she's jealous.

And what woman do you have?

And he says, by me.

You know, it's a great line.

And the way he delivers it, you know, it's like, I'm taken by me.

That's good.

That's awesome.

All right, next up we have,

you can only get hurt so much before you get numb ooh sounds like a very someone giving someone else psychological advice about a relationship yeah so reality TV that's correct that was Teresa from the Real Housewives of New Jersey. Give me strength.
Look at you. Look at me.
You're killing it. Give me strength on all these.
All right. Next up, I am the devil and don't you forget it.
Well, that could be Witches of Eastwick. I mean.
It could be. Oh, my gosh.
Knows the name of the movie? Yeah. I just watched it again.
It's such a good movie. Did you? You know that movie? Oh, no, it's a good movie.
Jack Nicholson, again, plays the devil, and Cher, Susan Sarandon, and Michelle Pfeiffer play three women in a little town, and he infects them. And that line would work i am the devil and don't you forget it's an

okay so let's just say a movie it is not from the classic witches of each wick it is from

vanderpump rules said by stassi schroeder

all right next time we have you need people like me so you can point your fingers and say

that's the bad guy.

I want this to be reality TV.

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It's such a good line. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, sure.
If we're cursing him, reality TV is definitely, yeah, reality TV. All right.
It's Tony Montana from Scarface. Boy, these are tricky ones.
Wow. I really, I thought this was going to be so much more easy.
And then when I was making it, I was like, man.

Kind of hard.

It's kind of hard.

Yeah.

There were so many classic moments in that movie.

I mean, just classic.

This one is definitely an 80s movie.

Yeah.

Since you're new here, I'm going to cut you a break today.

So why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?

Oh, wait, hold on.

Wait, that's, what movie is that?

Is that a Clint Eastwood line?

Oh, no, no. Wait, wait.
Back to the Future. Yeah, that's Biff.
Maybe like a true get out of here. There you go.
Ding, ding, ding. I love that picture of him.
Yeah, yeah. Back to the Future 2.
Future Part 2. He says it in one.
I just put Part 2 because I wanted to put this picture of him in there because it makes me giggle. Have you seen the play? You know this play.
Last night we saw Harry Potter. Took the family to see Harry Potter.
And Back to the Future is coming to Pantages. Oh, it is? And that's what I haven't seen.
I've seen Moulin Rouge five times. I just love Moulin Rouge.
It's incredible. And I've seen it in Nashville.
I've seen it in Tampa. You know, I just love Moulin Rouge.
It's all about John Kreese. It's all about.
Every line is about a relationship that didn't work out because of bad emotions. You know? And I think Moolah Rouge is brilliant.
And Back to the Future is supposed to be as good. Because they take lyrics from a variety of songs, whether it's Elton John, Tina Turner, whatever, and they'll take one lyric and put it into the dialogue of the show.
And the show is all about, like the movie, a romantic relationship. But it's better because you're right there.
And you just sit there and you cry. It's the best.
Moulin Rouge, I hope it comes here again. Harry Potter was good? Harry Potter was really good.
You have to know Harry Potter, though. I mean, it goes fast.
Did you read the books? Yeah, but the problem is, even when you read the books, what they depict on the stage, it's really a two-day event in your life. In New York, it's two days.
So here, they had to cut stuff and talk fast to get it all happening. if you're not really well versed in everything that's going on in all those movies well in the books you know you you got you first of all you got to sit in the third row because you got to watch the faces and hear what they're saying and it's complicated but it's done very well okay really good you got go see it okay all right well next up we have if i give you a chanel necklace and you choke on it that's your problem not mine wow chanel necklace what does your gut tell you it's a reality show my gut your gut chanel necklace it is it's l Lisa Barlow from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
Lisa Barlow. They should make Salt Lake City into a musical.
We've had talked to some actresses who are fans of these housewives, and they've been rich in character study. They'll watch some of these shows and try to pull from, when they're developing various characters that they're playing, they'll study some of these women, we've been told.

Interesting.

They're rich with content.

Yeah.

All right, next we have, stop acting like you're the number one fucking guy in this group.

I'm the number one guy in this group.

Jesus.

Wow.

There's not a lot of...

Oh, you don't know who this is? wouldn't know but you should know well I should tell you the answer yeah that could help but it doesn't I don't know this one Jax Taylor it's Jax Taylor from Vanderbilt Rules there a lot of reality in this. Jax Taylor maybe could be an 80s movie villain.
He does say a lot of things that you might see in a Biff from Back to the Future. I have to do a PSA for mental health.
Please. I have to go and do that.
So I have to go to the other side of town and do it.

A friend of mine, it's very interesting.

He's been asking me for years to do it.

And it's amazing.

If children don't get enough attention from the age, from birth all the way to four,

if they spend a lot of time watching TV or looking out the window or just not getting the support and love in those forms of years, 68% of those children end up dropping out of high school. Really? Yeah.
You know, we have a one-year-old little girl. Do you really? We do.
Oh, Mazel Tov. That's great.
She just turned one. One, yeah.
You got it. You know, I mean, yeah, I kind of knew that because we had tried for five years to have a baby.
And my ex-wife was still very good friends. And we tried everything, you know, gift and frozen embryo transplants and in vitro.
And finally, we had twins. And after five years of attempting, it was incredible.
The kids are great. And a boy and a girl.
And I think that's when my career slowed down in 1990. I also think that's when I decided not to be Steve McQueen anymore.
And for 20 years of my career, I was doing Steve McQueen. And then all of a sudden, the kids happened.
And I felt like, well, I'm okay now. I've got the kids.
And I just sat there and watched in the crib, watched them sleep. I didn't even think about it.
Oh, yeah. I think it was eight months.
And I got a movie in London. So I took the kids.
I could not be without them. I took them with a nanny in 1991.
did a movie called the shadow chaser and went to pinewood studios and took a flat in queue and i wouldn't leave them i would just go back and watch these twigs got them these little things they call bagels and they can hold and walk with them and learn to walk you know and i just spent more time with the kids than i'm ever on my career anymore and then of course i realized i was i needed money i needed to go back to work yeah no being a parent has been the most fulfilling you know aspect of my life or just yeah it just makes everything else it's the best it takes the focus especially when we're when we're sensitive as artists. Going to a job nine to five is a different deal.
But when you're an artist, you're usually a little more sensitive. You haven't so much history that you use as an artist for whatever work you're doing, whether it be painting or poetry or acting, it doesn't matter, or music.

So we're so familiar with what it takes to grow up that we want to cultivate our children's lives

so much more, I think, than the average person.

But in any case, I must go and...

Get to your mental health.

I've got to go and do that.

This guy's a good friend of mine.

He produced Oxford Blues, this movie, and a lot of films.

And I told him I promised him today, so I'd go.

We'll get out of here, man.

Yeah, I'm going to read from a teleprompter.

It's a lot of stuff, so I don't have to learn anything.

But I wanted to come by and say hello.

Well, Martin, it's been an absolute pleasure having you.

Oh, my pleasure.

Thank you for the storytelling.

And congratulations on an incredible career and obviously the success of Cobra Kai, which if you are listening is, is it out now? Yeah, season six premiered on Thursday, and it's on Netflix, and it's one of the biggest shows. Yeah, no, it's absolutely huge.
It's a great watch, and like Martin said, a great family show. Well, it's a family show, but also it's one of the biggest shows yeah no it's absolutely huge it's a great watch and as you know like martin said a great family show well it's a family show but also it's for the kids it's for the adults everyone can enjoy it it's an absolute fantastic one be sure to check it out thank you again martin my pleasure thank you to our guests alex vanita and martin uh we will see you tomorrow for electric going deeperer with the one and only Bella Thorne.

You definitely do not want to miss that.

It is dramatic, emotional, and you will not want to miss it.

And then on Thursday, we will be back covering all your favorite shows.

We'll get into a little bit more Summer House because I know we only talked about it briefly this episode.

There's just so much.

Plus, we'll get into some more Love is Blind and so much more.

We'll see you then.

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