E891 Going Deeper with Bella Thorne

do you know horoscopes well uh a little bit well enough i think for the most part what are you a libra isn't it yay when's your birthday october 8th okay when's your birthday 28th Oh, nice. Nice.

Do you know all your like your uh rising and all that other stuff or um i did at one point and now i think i've uh forgotten it okay i know that one of them is like a taurus and i was like oh cool that makes sense because my libra-ness is a bit too chill for how i am personally. Naturally, as a person, I am quite by the book, you could say, on things.
So I was like, ah, that must be the Taurus. I honestly don't even know what they all are.
I always hear about the Geminis. I know Libras.
I love Geminis. My favorite sign.
When is that? Geminis in May. Yeah.
Are you ready? I mean, I still got it. Can we keep talking about horoscopes? I'm kind of fascinated by it.
Yeah. Bella, welcome to the Vile Fowl.
Thank you for having me. It's great to have you.
I'm so excited. Where'd you get that sparkle cup? Oh, yeah.
It's Versace. A little something, something in here.
You know what I mean? A little light vodka. Oh, there we go.
Love that. I mean, if you need to pop it off, we got a whole bar.

No one ever drinks it.

I know.

There is a lot of liquor up there.

We do a lot of morning interviews, but you know.

Yeah.

We did have someone come in and rip shots at 10 a.m. once.

No judgment.

Wow.

No judgment.

That's awesome in some ways.

It's kind of like seeing people at the airport when you have a super early flight and they're sitting at the bar with wine and you're like, I mean, I guess. You know, gotta get through it some way.
Isn't an airport, though, different? Isn't it like at any time in an airport? That's true. It's like five o'clock somewhere in an airport.
Yeah, there's like no rules, maybe, in an airport. Except there's a lot of rules.
Yeah. Except drinking.
And time does matter because you do want to make your flight. But I suppose it is like you walk into an airport, there's a lot of rules yeah except yeah except drinking so and

time does matter because you do want to make your flight but i suppose it is like a you walk into an airport you're kind of on vacation it's a judgment-free zone yeah whatever so have you been like obviously crazy world these days like yeah yeah i know i've been is everything safe Thankfully, yes, the house is there.

I was out of town as well filming,

and my sister and whatnot had to evacuate,

and it was so scary being on FaceTime and whatnot with her

dealing with that situation.

And yeah, when I had come home, I was like,

I guess we'll see if it's still there.

Yeah, but that would have a break to not even be home and just be watching everything happen and like not know what's going on. Yeah, and be checking in on everybody constantly, seeing how everyone was doing.
Yeah, very weird being on the other side. That is really weird.
Yeah. Okay, I am super intrigued by just your life in general.
I obviously, I'm 26, so I grew up on Shake It Up. Oh, yay.
Love Shake It Up. Was that your first ever acting experience or did you do anything before that? Yes.
Yeah, I did quite a few things before that. I was on Big Love on HBO and quite a few other shows, some movies, but nothing comedy.
So that was my first comedy. I had wondered growing up in my life if I would ever do comedy, if I was even funny in any sort of way.
Well, you crush, clearly. Oh, thank you.
Thank you. My sister actually went over those lines with me for the audition.
And so that's like a really fond memory. Yeah, I bet.
I feel like, I mean, so how old were you when you first got into acting? Eight. Yeah.
Wow. And like, how did that even happen? Well, I had been modeling since I was born, since I was six weeks old, oddly enough.
And you're just a perfect child. And they were like, this baby's so beautiful.
No, actually, I was an ugly baby. My mom never forgets to remind me that I was a very ugly baby.
She's like, I don't know how you booked these jobs, but you did. Yeah, I was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck, so I was quite blue when I came out.
Yeah, and they had to rush me away. And then hours later, they brought me back.
And my mom was like, that one's not mine. And she kept telling them to look at her other previous children.
And they were all very beautiful babies. My sister even won the beautiful baby award in the hospital.
Who does that? I mean, wow. I'm sorry.
Since you're this little. Just getting into shame real early.
And I had all this like dark hair that later on fell out and became blonde but um she just she was definitely kept telling them that i was i was not the baby i was not the baby that came out and they were like no this one is she's like no not that one yeah yeah and then somewhere along the way i just uh yeah you really you really came through wow like as soon as you got that look mom just rushed you in to the modeling gig what was your first i mean what was your first early memory of modeling like were you doing it all the way through as a young child yes yeah. Yeah.
All the way through. There was a Target commercial as well.
I did commercials as well and then did acting. And one really fond memory I have is this Target commercial and there was all these butterflies on set and they had such colorful sets and everything matched and it was monochromatic.
And it's really such a beautiful commercial. And when I think about the stuff that I like, even in my own house or when it comes to building sets and how much that's in me.
And I feel like it came from that moment being so wowed as I think I was six or seven. And I was just so amazed by the color and the sets and it all being matching.
Yeah, it's a very, very beautiful commercial. Target killed it on that one.
Like, right. And did you enjoy it all the way through? Were there ever moments where you're just like, I'm over this? Or is it something that you always just kind of loved doing? Yeah, not as a child.
I think you're stoked. Everything is awesome.
And yeah, I think when you start to get a little bit older and you're tired and you're like, oh, man, this is a long day.

Yeah.

So there was no part of you that would have rather been like outside playing with your friends or doing whatever. No, I didn't have friends.

I was not a.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I was also bullied in school when I was there.

So they took me out and they took me to Sylvan Learning Center.

Then I was diagnosed with dyslexia.

And yeah, I was. Nick's also dyslexic so safe space yeah rock on yes i'm not you honestly brought awareness to it for me sorry sorry sorry no seriously i know because you were honestly back i'm a bit older so like when i was a kid you didn't know about dyslexia or talk about dyslexia and honestly like if you found out you were dyslexic you weren't you weren't telling people like that was something you definitely would have gotten picked on and it wasn't until i was adult where i was like why can i not read out loud very well i can never figure it out because i was just like i'm not stupid so what age did you get diagnosed like in my 30s yeah wow was it like somewhat ah yeah it was i didn't like it didn't really change anything i didn't like start i didn't take any dyslexic courses courses to help me like read better a lot honestly like i don't know if they have those i don't know they do because like i would love because like a teleprompter is like a nightmare for me i'm like i'm like slow down please oh my god but it does it like i felt a little scene not to sound corny but it was just like i'm a big believer in like i i don't like to like lean into my uh weaknesses so to speak but i think it's just nice to know what they are so at least i just like be like oh like i don't have to make excuses for anything i'm just dyslexic now so it's just it's you i don't lead with it but like yeah like

now i know why i have no idea like how many vowels are in a word or like why i have a hard time you know reading a teleprompter and no one else makes it look so easy and it looks yeah so hard for me i still have like a huge um fear of reading out loud and in front of people and when i I was doing my book tour and whatnot, it was,

it was like, no, you were, you were doing this. Like, this is something that in, in my book,

there is like a lot of references to dyslexia and whatnot. And I spell things wrong.
And then

I rewrite it on the typewriter and rewrite it again and keep spelling it wrong. Um, and it

was like a nice way to like, I'm dyslexic, everybody. Made me feel a lot better about myself.
Actually, and also one of my favorite, after I found out, then people were telling me all the very talented, very successful people who are dyslexic. So many, so many.
The first book that Nick bought Our Daughter River was the Dyslexic ABCs. And it was every...
I bought it for myself. It was like Albert Einstein for A.
Or all of the people who have just been so brilliant in this world who are also dyslexic. All for every letter? Yeah.
I want that book! I know. We were at a kid's store and I bought it for me.
I'll read it for her someday. but I was book.
I know. It's like we were at like a kid's store and I like I bought her for me.
I mean, I'll read it to her someday. But I'm like, you know, tell her about dad.
Yeah. So you were all I mean, many people are.
Natalie has some horrific bullying stories. I mean, it was the full mean girl scene of like my I had started modeling at a young age and they took one of my modeling pictures and she wrote sucks for free whore and like all over school, like all over Twitter.
It was yeah, it was everywhere. And I'm so sorry.
It was a nightmare. But then I quickly left and I'm going to move to New York and model.
Bitch. Yeah, exactly.
Fuck you, whore. Yeah, but it was very traumatic.
So I understand that like feeling of being like, let me just get the fuck out of here. How long did you have to deal with that? For like, I left like Christmas time.
So it was the beginning of, so like August to December probably. Oh, I'm so sorry.
Every once in a while, Natalie will get like a DM from someone from like back home. And Natalie will be like, yep, heard from from another bully you know because now that like natalie's out here and yeah i'm sure they've forgotten all about a little bit in the public eye oh my god girl how are you did you ever hear from any of your like high school bullies who like decided to forget that they were assholes to you and like just remind you like oh we used to go to school and be best friends um no actually one of my biggest bullies was my teacher she really went out of of her way to bully me and in front of classmates make me get up and read knowing i couldn't make me stay there um at one point she even threw away um a christmas that's like you know when you get those things and it has the mug and it has the little cocoa and stuff um and so our parents like you know got all the teachers like different things and I saw it in the trash when I came back from recess and I'll never forget seeing it just physically in the trash and like not being able to really comprehend that as a child of like, why is it in there? And I just didn't really understand.
And when I told my mom when I had gotten home, she was like, she did what? She was so upset. She even went as far as to fake my testing to get into the next grade because she wanted to keep me and humiliate me.
What? Was this teacher ever reprimanded? Oh, yeah. My principal, who had a really, I think, a fond liking to me because I was bullied and sometimes I would have to sit in her room and do things instead of being with the rest of the class doing things like testing and whatever.
So when my mom got back those results and stuff and she took it to the principal and was like um look at this handwriting stuff does not match it literally doesn't match and uh the principal had me retake the test and i passed with flying colors this whole bag um so then she was she was put on leave um after that and yeah how old were you when this happened um i was in second grade going to third that is the craziest thing ever how can an adult just like hate a second grader that much literally and i understand that i was often not in school a lot with modeling so young and because i spoke sp Spanish and that's my first language and with the reading, I don't know what about me made her like hate me or if she just thought it was so funny when I was reading to be crying in front of everybody and to keep making me do it. Like, I don't know where in her, I don't know where anybody gets joy out of a child crying and and being um you know a stepping stone in that in any sort of way i'm like why why but i have seen comments before like oh i was friends with her in school and i was like liar liar liar i have no friends.
You're all liars. Yeah, it's one of my favorite things when Nally reads me these messages from...
It's also sometimes when I get hate from people, I feel like it's a little bit easier for me to be like, fuck you. Because it's like, the shit I went through at such a young age, this does not affect affect me anymore like for you maybe that's a

hard feeling to to have it's strengths it is it is very hard so i also am very sorry that you went through that i know that it can be very traumatic police sisters yeah oh trauma bonding isn't it good you know yeah it's it's good to get out you know i always love the like again like it's always feels good to like rise above the shit that happens to you and and um yeah like sometimes we'll always run into people when we go back home to her house and you know the different people who react to natalie it's like especially when they're like oh you made it or whatever it's like um you know it sucks to hear but like like stories when she was picked on but you can definitely like when we run into some people like like one girl when it was in thanksgiving you ran into a girl a girl and she's like oh you really made it and the girl she was with was someone who like bullied you or didn't like and like she kept going and like i don't know it's i'm always proud of you when i see people like uh think like you made it out here or whatever it's always fun i think it's more so just like getting out of your hometown yeah you know which is sometimes really hard to do i mean you're from a small town in florida right when did you personally feel like i have made it i'm out of this small town i'm out of the bullying i'm away from the trauma let's see a month ago maybe yesterday uh yeah i'm not sure that some of those feelings will ever go away or that i will ever really feel like i made it um i'm not sure that my want for creative more will ever allow me to feel that way yeah i'm not i think I'll always still have that kind of feeling inside of me. I'm not sure when, oh, don't look like you're going to cry.
I don't want you to feel like that forever. Yeah, yeah, I would like to not feel like that forever as well.
And I think, you know, at some point probably will not when, when something is, is so incredible and I really feel like I've done something really great, then, then maybe I'll not have that feeling a little bit, but yeah, I think I always use all those feelings to, to drive me. Um, or also they'll just sit, they'll just sit there getting negative and stirred and yeah, it it's always best to do something with them, put it into something.

I definitely have a hard time enjoying any successes I've had with things I've done.

I try to work on that.

I mean, you've obviously had a very successful career.

You've done a lot of amazing things despite having that feeling.

Is there one thing that you've done that you are really proud of or you're most proud of feeling is there one thing that you've done that

you are you know really proud of or you're most proud of of all the cool things that you've accomplished i would say probably um reading my book out loud at carnegie hall okay that was a nice one it was three separate reasons to be proud one my dad always loved carnegie hall and so to get there and him not be here to see it was like a, and I got to do my poetry about him as well. And yeah.
And I think the reading out loud and having a book that's solely based on mental health and being a bit of a mess and dealing with those feelings on, you know, on the inside and being able to do do that. All three of those things was like such a yeah, I don't think I'll ever forget that feeling.
Yeah. I do remember that the person I was dating, though, at the time decided to pick a fight with me the whole night.
OK. And I was so upset and I ordered like Uber Eats.
And I'll never forget that I actually like looked at the street that they were picking up the food at for some reason and it was delancy street which is my dad's name so i was like yes and also f you boyfriend you can go suck it um yeah so it was nice it was like my dad's like don't let anybody dim your shine you gotta that's a great answer yeah like to be able to read that aloud. Yeah.
Especially given all the things that you've done. Like definitely it wasn't an answer I was expecting.
It was a cool moment. I also got to read at the White House.
Yeah. If you're kids with disabilities.
And that was like one of my first times publicly reading. And I was so, so scared and nervous.
And I asked my mom how I did when I was done and she said you can take a breath have because I read the whole I was so afraid to mess up one word that I read the entire book like this all like this and the whole entire time and then I was done I completely relate to that as this dyslexic person I feel like let's get fast as possible. I will not mess up.
I will not mess up. How old were you? You're talking about your dad a lot.
I know he passed in 2007, right? How old were you when he died? I was nine. Wow.
And how did he pass? A motorcycle accident. Yes.
He was riding the motorcycle? Yes. He had nitrous put on his his ducati which as you know is a great idea for anybody um and they had he had problems with his bike turning off um and he took it back to the shop and i remember my mom and dad arguing about this bike in general my mom always saying like you're gonna kill yourself one day using that bike like she was so upset when he got it and it was turning off so they put it back in the shop and the shop let it out earlier than it was supposed to and that first time he wrote it um it just stopped and he spun out and then they um airlifted him and by the time they got him on the table per se because, because he had so many broken bones, his heart gave out on him.
And then he had a heart attack. So technically he died of a heart attack, but it was because of too much pressure.
Yeah. So that was shitty.
And then our grandma died like two months later. And that was like, you know, my mom's mom.
That's like, you know, the one who really raised her. And that just, oof, that was a double whammy for the family for sure.
What was that conversation like when they, I assume your mom told you about your dad? Oh, well, we just heard, we were supposed to go to the beach that morning. My dad was also supposed to come up in the next few days finally to LA and kind of close out his house there and actually move here with us.
So that was also weird timing. And I remember in my bunk bed hearing my mother screams, screams, screams, screams.
And I walked out and she was against the wall and she fell to the floor and she's on the phone and she's just screaming bloody murder like a like an animal being slaughtered is is what it sounds like I'll never forget those screams and she didn't believe them as well she was like you're lying to me because his phone was off and they turned it on and all the text messages come through. So she's like, I just got texts from him like literally 15 minutes ago.
So it has to be wrong. And that also like messed with her brain.
And then it took hours, you know, for then somebody to come to the door. So in that whole time she was in complete disbelief.
It's just not possible. He's just texted me.
You have it wrong. And then when the police came to the door, yeah, then that was another.
Yeah. It's like the initial heartbreak and then the like, wait, no, there's hope.
It's just not possible. And then the heartbreak again to follow.
Yeah. That'd be hard.
Yeah. I think my mom knew in her soul, though, with those blood curdling screams, it was like her heart had been ripped out and we didn't have enough money to go down to see him, to cremate him, essentially, and whatnot.
So that was also a dark time as well because we couldn't be there. we were actually given to our friends, the Webbers, funny enough, who ended up on The Bachelor.
Peter Weber? Yeah. What? Yeah, Peter Weber.
Yeah, Jack and Peter. And they became our solace for that week while my mom went down and dealt with the passing stuff.
And then she came down and the house was broken into, everything was gone, stolen. Like, oh, my mom just got it again and again and again.
And then, yeah, the only way that we even were able to, I think, fully understands when she came back, she had photos of him on the metal slab and she showed us those photos on the blackberry yeah never forget them photos either yeah that sounds scarring and i remember we were arguing my siblings and i were arguing and my mom she was just like you want something to argue about look at this and it was so much pain in that time like uh you feel like your mom had like anyone she could know to it was just y'all no one yeah um and I think my mom has always felt that way in her life you know we don't have much family and my father's side is Jehovah Witness and they like disowned him um so they wouldn't even come to the cremation and i know that hurt

my mom a lot not being able to have any side of of his family yeah i bet yeah did you get a chance

to say goodbye to your dad no no no we hadn't seen him in months at that point yeah he was just

coming back um so that was yeah how have your family been able to heal over the years

Thank you. that point yeah he was just coming back um so that was yeah how have your family been able to heal over the years um or if i'm assuming they have yeah i don't know that we ever really fully you know will totally heal but we try to um honor his memory you know on his birthday we'll write things on a balloon and then send them up and i think we all try in our own little ways i made my jewelry because he always wanted a thorn empire and that was and he never got to see that or us do any of that so that's why i call it thorn dynasty because hopefully one day he'll you know get to see that and be like fuck yeah like you better get it um so yeah it's all like designed after florida and um family and my dad thank you so i feel like he is i mean i feel like he's along i mean clearly he's like along the way the whole time you know it's like he was there in carnegie hall you, like I feel like he's been in your back pocket this whole time since he passed, you know? Yeah.
So it's really special that you get to like live on some like his dream. Yeah, exactly.
It's so special. And, you know, keep that for generations to come, you know, when I have children and whatnot, obviously they'll never get to meet their grandpa so i think having that i got a fucking painting of of a family photo of us hanging like right when you walk into my house and it's fucking big and these amazing artists did it for me and like they recaptured his smile so much so i'm definitely like not letting him die again in any sort of way it's so special well i know it's obviously not easy to share but thank you for uh opening up my makeup you're beautiful but i used a primer so yeah this primer better come through for me right now there's nothing worse than a little bit of rain ruining your plans let alone your outfit That's why we love Vessi, the perfect weather companion in a shoe that you can always rely on to keep your plans going and your feet dry.

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Yeah, I mean, thank you for sharing and opening up about that.

And, you know, I was just curious too.

Obviously, we're very excited to just be sitting here with you and talking with you and having you open up with us. But like, you're also not someone who does this a lot and gives a lot of interviews.
And, you know, I was just kind of curious, like, why now in terms of, you know, kind of your willingness to share a little bit more about yourself and open up? And, you know, we are very appreciative of that and excited to keep talking to you it's I think it's not lost with a lot of your fans just how much you cherish your privacy and are reluctant to open up and share things like that that's a great question I think I have been an open book since I was 18 for so long and it felt really mean and kind of evil when people would use those things against me and blame me for them. I've, you know, even when I had a face full of acne and I wouldn't wear makeup and I was popping it on Snapchat and, you know, kind of going through the whole process and really trying to like be open about who I was.
It was always like, oh, she has to be on heroin because look at her skin. It's so bad.
Like, will she, you know, wash her face? She should try soap kind of things. And like actual like articles writing that, not even just comments, like articles writing that kind of language.
And when I, you know, came out about being molested growing up, I think that was another thing that really hurt when people used it against me to almost speak badly on my character of who I am now as a woman because this thing had happened to me and when I had to put out my own nudes because I was being fucking threatened and then you know whoopi Goldberg and said that I had essentially kind of deserved it in some way because I had sent the photo in the first place that I had even taken the photo. And she like flat out said it was your fault.
Yeah. And I obviously got very upset because that was such a hard thing for me to do.
And I remember I was on my book tour and I was about to do an interview and I was reading those texts and I literally asked my manager, I was like, what the fuck do I do here? And I was like, like at this point, like, it's just so embarrassing. He's going to take it from me.
He's going to take these parts of my body and somebody's already done this once to me. So I don't want them to do that again.
And so then it was like, well, if I do it, then it's my decision and it's not yours even though it kind of still is your decision because I'm only doing it because of you bitch and so but at least it's mine it's my stamp on it and people saying that I like was faking that to put it to head to like get attention that I just wanted to like put out my body in that way and and do this and fake this thing and that fucking hurt again I was just like like these are really personal seriously deeply rooted like issues and things I've gone through and to have it thrown up in your face so much of like you deserve it and this is what you are and you're that kind of woman that's what you deserve all of this was so hard at like fucking 2019 to like mentally go through and i think some people think i'm like still the old me like the crazy rebellious bella and you're like are you not fucking like are you fucking what what is happening here do you not see what i was going through at those times? What other way would any normal person react? I'm still a teenager in some ways. And it was just really, yeah, shitty.
And so I felt like I could not be honest anymore. Why would I be honest with you when all you do is throw it back in my face and blame me for it and call me disgusting for it?

Thank God I also got to work with the FBI and put this son of a bitch away. And he did go away.
And now he's sitting in there for like eight years. And he did it to all these other people as well.
So when the FBI saw that post, they immediately reached out and was like, this is the same exact language. We know this guy has done it before and we have these other things and worked with me to like put him away.
I had to like write the statements as well for the judge. And I had to re go through that process again to write those statements.
And in my heart, when they asked me to write it, I was like, is this gonna come out? And they were like, well, what do you mean? I was like, what if people post this statement? Like, again, they're going to take my words and how I feel and what this man took from me. And they're going to, they're going to like fiend off of that.
And that's fucking disgusting. So that was like so scary.
And I just, I think I just decided, no, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not giving y'all nothing.
When you act like that, why should I? And yeah, so I think I was just like, nope. And now like I don't want to not be myself because that's only doing myself a disservice.
And then everything that I go against, they've won. So it's like either way, I feel like sometimes I'm in a lose-lose battle.
I'm sure this interview will be even thrown up in my face like, oh, well, she and this and oh, crocodile tears or

oh, she deserved it. Oh, she's too sexual.
Look at her. Like, you know, just it's like it's just

so shitty to hear every day all the time, I think. So I've been like, I'll just not speak.
But I

don't think it's fair to teach people not to speak because you're afraid of speaking and getting

ridiculed. That doesn't seem like a win.
we're releasing an episode by the time this comes out um and we're a little nervous about it natalie had a miscarriage a couple weeks yeah but i you know just hearing you speak you know it's like it's um you know yeah it was tough but like we didn't know what to do is like, we wanted to share our experience. We can't, we do this for a living and it was kind of like therapeutic for us just to, you know, we're just going to talk about it.
And, uh, and then, you know, we decided to put it out there knowing that like, you know, our intention obviously was one, we wanted to memorialize our child and like, you know, hearing you talk about your dad, your dad like you don't want to forget you know and like when you don't have a chance to to meet your baby it's harder to connect you know as a dad and it's even harder and so you know and obviously we you know we we've heard a lot of stories about it and then so we wanted to share knowing that like a lot of people you know it's like they feel very alone when it happens because no one you know everyone's like sorry it happened but like oh anyway it's like you know it's like an awkward thing it's like they don't really relate to it but you know we know i'm offline you know because like i don't really give a shit what people say and i've gotten much better and like when i'm curious i wanted to ask you is because you're right like the internet's an asshole people are assholes hurt people hurt people you've heard that phrase and that's just never going to go away all we can do as humans or people or just anyone in the public eye or just hell anyone who's like has a phone you know is like get better at just like removing yourself and not listening to the noise and the disruption and just feeling good about like whatever it is you put out and I'm curious like have you gotten better at that just like you know feeling good about whatever it is you're putting out there as a creator as an artist and and just say you know fuck it like your opinions whoever you are just it's none of my goddamn business because like you know they're always going to be assholes Yeah. Yeah.
Well, on the creative side, yes. I'm about to go direct a movie that I wrote that's based on a true story.
It's so important. I've put blood, sweat, and tears, and so has everybody else.
And that, I think, is one of the things that I'll first really be so happy about. And on the other side, man, I just decided to escape social media on the Instagrams and the Twitters.
I was like, fuck all these little tweets. At some point, you can't read your own shit because you're like, oh, I'm going to see one thing.
And instead of focusing on all the amazing comments, you're going to focus on this one thing. And if they really poked you somewhere where you were sensitive, boom, they've got you for the rest of the day.
And somebody that I don't even know is offending me. The audacity is how I feel.
So I liked when Instagram was when it first started and you repost a photo of your foot and like your random food and like weird selfie. And it became this, my resume, my resume, my resume.
Here's how, whatever you think of me, here it is right here. What do you think of me? Judge me now and move on to the next person to judge them.
And then same thing, just keeps on going. And I'm just so over it.
I'm quirky. I'm ridiculous.
I think I also stopped being myself in interviews, in

social media as well. I'm quite a quirky person.
I do a lot of different voices. I like hop in and

out. I'm very sarcastic.
And I think a part of me kind of like that part of me kind of died.

And people were wondering, like, where is that part? Is that was that still you? And I would

always get judged for it. Like, oh, she crazy crazy like and that kind of stuff when you're just a silly person people like scrolling like this like oh she looks bad boom oh oh i didn't like that like why'd she do that like that's not i i don't care to engage with those people anymore because i'm so sick of asking for you to like me so i'm so sick of that i'm not gonna do it anymore and that's how i feel that's great i mean that's the best you can do i like was kind of the same way you were of just like why am i allowing strangers to like comment under my post of my family of my life like why would i do so i have had on the like restrictions of just people that i allow to like comment stuff because it's like, why would I give this random fucking person the like opportunity to put their opinion? Exactly.
You're not in high school anymore. Yeah.
It's like, I don't have to read that shit. You don't deserve the right to comment under my shit.
Like go get a fucking life. But I want to like going back to all of these things that you had to endure in your life.

I think we have a very similar childhood, you know, and I went through a lot of similar things that you did. And I think when you go through that at a really young age, you have a weird relationship with your body.
and so i think that is probably why like the extra sting of this boyfriend at the time trying to like release all of these nudes of you no not a boyfriend and an actual like uh what's it called um oh a hacker hacker yes not a boyfriend no hacker someone hacked in your shit. Oh, I didn't even know that.
Oh, that's fucking crazy. That's fucking crazy.
But I just want to say like you sharing that side of you. I know you see like the people being like you just the terrible things that people say.
But when I tell you like sitting beside you as someone who went through something similar to hear that, like, I'm not alone. I didn it alone I don't have to go through it alone that people like you will talk about your experience and you will see like you on the other side of things is so inspirational and it's like something for us to hold on to and to be like there's hope you know like I won't be this person who's stuck in my 10 year old body and reliving things that happened to me over and over again.
You know, like, look at this person. This person is beautiful, successful, creative, like, and I think you're giving people hope and light.
And I just want to like, thank you for being so open and honest about the things that you've been through, because it's not easy. And like, it's a very alone feeling.

And I'm so sorry you went through all of that.

And I think that surviving it is like,

you know,

people would say all the time,

like,

oh,

well you were like this victim of sexual assault.

And it's like,

I,

yeah,

I,

I definitely was a victim,

but like I fucking survived it.

And like,

I'm here and it's like,

it's made me this resilient, strong fucking person. And like now I wouldn't let a man like like I feel like that gave like going through that gave me the strength to be like fuck you and fuck off.
And like I'm not this like naive little girl anymore who just like trusted anyone and everyone you know I feel like it just really

gave me that strength and you being able to talk about it is just like I think it's giving people more hope than tearing people you know like the people who want to tear you down well thank you so much for that I was going to say the same to you for what happened to you guys um and that you're being so brave and and sharing it and i i think that that is going to help so many people and especially in the political climate that we're in is so important to share your piece and your journey with it um and i think that that will be really heartwarming for a lot of people that have been through it and will feel like thank god i hope somebody's making yeah yeah yeah it's a fucking alone feeling to go through the things that we you know have gone through and so it is i think to like hear other people talk about their experiences because it's not something you want to talk about you know you don't want to go publicly and you don't want to like the people in my life who had no idea it's like now they do and now that's like you know I didn't I didn't ever want all these people to know that about my life but like I know that me talking about this miscarriage it's like I know that there's so many women who go through that who are like what the fuck like am I the only part you know and they want something to connect to and so I think like all of us being able to just talk about vulnerabilities and the stuff that we go through in life is really important I'm just like really proud of you did you ever get a sincere apology from Whoopi? I think i'll next that question yeah

there was there was a video sent from backstage yes there was a video sent um oh yes like a cameo interesting okay right like and the next question you're engaged how's that going weird transition you're engaged no but obviously we love talking about relationships and love and you know shit, shit, I've, I got so many exes and stories and things like that. But like, you know, it all came to like me being able to meet my wife, you know, all the, all the crazy, you know, heartbreaks and stories.
And some of it has been on TV and some of it's not, but, you know, you're very happily engaged now. And like, how do you feel like what you have you have with your fiance, how has that shaped you? And what do you love best about your relationship with him? One of the things I love best is that we're always very quite silly with one another and that we're always able to make kind of a dark joke out of a dark situation that we might be in in life, you know, and I think that that's that we we really connect in our in our humor and in our silliness.
I also love the way that he takes care of me. I always feel very safe.
And that's a really hard thing, I think, for anybody to feel, especially women. It's very, it's like everywhere you look, they're just in murder everywhere.
And it's, it, and, and not that your partner has to give that to you because that's a very hard thing to give. You can't just make somebody feel safe.
Like it's, it's not just about what you're doing and what you're saying. It's about everything all at the same time.
And yeah, I don't think I've ever felt safe with anybody that I've been with, actually. I felt more times that I had to make them feel safe in some situations and that not great.
So I really love that he's able to do that quite effortlessly with me. I love that you say that.
I mean, now that I say that to each other all the time, you know, it's and I think clearly it's, I think what I've learned from my wife and my audience, that safety is probably the number one thing women are looking for. It's also, I think something men really appreciate too, that talk about too it's just like you know when you i mean what is a serious relationship or a marriage of you know an engagement if not to like have someone in your life that you can actually truly be yourself and be safe and be that vulnerable person and i think yeah when i was younger like i would been in love and i, but like, I was like, I don't know, you know, it's like, you know, at times I felt loved, but like, I also felt like we competed, you know, I felt like we were at each other's throats, you know, I felt judged, you know, or I felt like ashamed to say something or do something.
And yeah, it's, it's, it's nice to be able to find someone where, you know, you can open up and you can make each other feel safe. And like you said, it's, it's not something that comes very easily.
And that's something that happens over time. And it doesn't mean you don't have ups and downs and work through your own shit.
But like, there's, I think with Natalie and I, you know, I'm curious if this is something that you relate to, but like, I feel like we both like give a shit about about our relationship like we wake up every day and like i feel her effort to make us work as much as i feel like i'm putting in the effort you know and i think that's a very unique feeling in a relationship that a lot of people just kind of take for granted like when you're younger it was just more like oh my god like we're made for each other and like you meet in month's awesome. And then you like plan out the next 10 years of your life.
And then like you just like start dating and hating each other. But like, yeah, we're very, you know, like when we feel a disconnect, like we're very quick to like someone points that out, you know, and that's something that I've never had in a relationship.
And again, when you do it like that, you don't let it get out of hand for too long and you know listen more built up feelings and explode yeah and like every relationship you know we have our shit you know we work through shit did you see that um thing going around on instagram that's like you know you're in a really great relationship if you're able to fart in in front of your partner do you guys fart in front of each other nick definitely does i don't um i never would never somehow not allowed to fart for some reason she's lying i've never farted i've never admitted to farting he doesn't he never admits to it's always like what i didn't huh what happened you know he will never admit to it he also he's just like not a fan of bathroom talk you know like he's not i it's a me thing it's yeah he's like i know everyone boobs i understand i'm not trying to pretend that doesn't happen but we don't have to embrace it like some people really do you and mark share like do you have toilets that sit in front of each other and like you both megan trainer oh my god we have one toilet that we both use when the other person's not in the room. I am quite bathroom shy and I put on the tap.
Or I mostly play music out of my phone so I'll always bring my phone and I just start blasting rap music and I think then he knows it's time. don't enter the room yeah i like that see you know it's like you know but you yeah you don't need to announce this right you don't need to know yeah you can just know subconsciously but you're not you don't need to go there yeah yeah i like that you're like that's my so we think the instagram study's wrong then it's gotta be i feel like it's more who was talking about this maybe it was like i saw a clip of alex earl talking about how she was like he we don't even like pee in front of each other that's crazy because like it will kill the sex no that's like we won't be if we won't be...
Or will it make the sex more gay?

Or you just...

Yeah.

Sorting left and right.

Yeah, so I was like,

well, that's extreme,

but that's also, you know,

I don't know.

Maybe some people

feel it will kill the sex drive

if you like...

What do you mean not in front of each other?

Like, as in,

they have to leave

the entirety of the bathroom

if you are going to the bathroom?

Like, what are you doing

if you're in a hotel? You know, it's like, go down to the lobby, have to pee. Is that what she means? I guess.
I think so. Oh, come on.
Every time? Yeah. Listen, if that's true, it's true.
Yeah, I got a UTI. He's so...
You know, like when you're a kid, it's like, oh, go pee in the woods or something. It's not a big deal like no kid is like taking a shit i don't know that we were peeing in the woods that wasn't the go-to i'm quite still scared um when it comes to camping and whatnot to pee i have this um phobia that a spider or a snake will come up and camp often and and hurt me down there and hurt me bad no that's a fear and forever scar me for the rest of my life this is for sure scary do you camp um yes yes i have done a book quite a bit of camping yeah yeah i i do you have the do you have the she we the what she we the hoo-ha it's like uh you can like up and pee, I believe, for women.
Give me an image. She-wee images.
No. It's a funnel.
She-wee. She-wee.
Oh, I'm kind of digging that. Right? No spiders climbing up your hoo-ha.
Is that for camping? Yeah. That's wild.
Isn't that crazy? But then, so then when, what's the next step?

After that step happens, what's the next step when you still have the she-wee?

No, it's a funnel.

So it comes out like a mint.

But then it's still, right, it's still contaminated.

Do you clean it?

How do you clean it?

With urine.

Oh.

You're in the woods.

You got the she-wee.

It's done.

I feel like you stick it in the ground, right?

Oh.

And you would just pick it up if you need it again.

Am I right? It's like a little stake in the ground. Wash it when you leave? And then when you leave, you stick it in the ground right and you would just pick it up if you need it again am i right like a little stake in the ground wash it when you leave i mean you are camping you're gonna get dirty but then like oh i guess the dirt's not technically near the i just don't like dirt anywhere in any you know um near any sort of circumstance how do you feel about how do you feel about sand are you the Oh, yeah.
Like, you don't... Sand in the charcuterie is not cool.
The charcuterie board. Sand in the charcuterie is not chill.
You wouldn't eat charcuterie with sand, would you? No, I would not. Neither would I.
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On this show, my audience is fascinated with alternative relationships. Is this a rumor? Is it true? Were you and Tana in a throuple or was that just a rumor? No, no, we were not in a throuple.
Okay. No, no, we were definitely dating.
And then she would be dating other people. And I was dating a person at that time.
And. So it's open.
Yeah, yeah. Open, I would say.
Yeah. Okay.
Well, that's also. But we all did hang out together.
It it was in and I think that freaked people out that we were that it wasn't like oh you brought around this person this other person you're dating no we all hanging out together in the studio together doing whatever together and I think that made people go oh um and then it's like a mini open the guy that I was dating at that time then he like ran with it and wanted to be like he like publicly ran with it and wanted to oh i got these two baddies sir it just sounds like a guy who's in like two different situationships with two girls and you all like are chill about it no yeah she had different yeah i was i had mostly dated one just one uh person but I think she dated another girl and then men. Yeah, I think everybody was having fun.
You know, we were at a having fun time. Hookup culture.
In your 18, 19 years, you know, when you're just experiencing everything and everything is alive. And yeah, glad I'm not back there again.

Have you and Mark set a date?

We have not set a date.

We are making our first baby, our movie baby.

And yes, once we are done with that and through editing, so everything, because that's just not a moment you rush, you and it's not it's not a moment to be it's already going to be stressful and i'm already quite by the book on things being on time doing things being you know and so i will be a bright dilla i know myself and i will definitely be like those flowers are not right i swear to god are you thinking big wedding small't really think so. Are you thinking big wedding, small wedding, a lope, like you think you're going to go fairly big? Well, when, because we already have a wedding planner and whatnot and we have the venue so I think when we had gone through that process and I saw Mark's guest list, it was, you know, he's quite a bit older than me so he's made, he's had more time to make more friends.
Yeah, we do. How old is he? He is 43.
How old are you? Yeah, 27. Oh my god.
Oh, we beat you guys. Oh yes? By one year, one and a half years? Oh, that's awesome.
We gotta do a double date. We gotta do a double date.
We can talk about movies we watched when we were growing up. It'll be great.
Yes, yes. We can talk about how young and hot we are.
We can talk about their 1980s movies and stuff. The unfortunate thing with the older movies is that even though the movie itself is remastered their trailers aren't remastered and so every time we're watching the trailer and i'll have marked my but but it's gonna be much better than this babe because it's not gonna be like this you know it's not i'm like okay because i can barely see the screen at this point it's so blurry i made her watch far and away the other day with tom cruise and nman.
I thought she'd like it. You haven't seen it? It was awful.
I'm shocked you didn't like it. What was that other movie you made me watch? The dad? Oh, Meet Joe Black.
I love that movie. She hates it.
Meet Joe Black. Have you seen Mulholland Drive? No.
You haven't seen it either? Mm-mm. Oh, okay.
I feel like it's that. Yeah, that's a fun one fun one really takes you on a roller coaster ride oh boy um no no i love david lynch and actually i love the same tones he loves i love the same cameras um the dissolves there's like there's so much that i have already naturally so loved and seeing it in his work i'm like oh because i'm a big david lynch fan i love him um and r.i.p so sad that he just passed away yeah like other than movies are you guys do you watch any reality tv like what oh i finally got him on the real housewives of potomac oh see we haven't gotten into that one.
We are like stuck on Salt Lake City.

Salt Lake City.

Are you caught up?

Yeah.

Oh my God, yeah.

What about the next reunion?

I mean, the ladies are going at each other.

Where do you stand on Lisa Barlow?

Are you a Lisa girl?

Are you like a Brawin Whitney girl?

Ooh, well, I'm loving the tequila company.

We'll start with that. Vita tequila.
Not that i drank tequila but get it girl and um i think sometimes lisa doesn't have well we all know she doesn't like to say sorry and um that just can yeah i think that that just comes back and bites her in, in the Bronwyn situation. I can imagine that that's incredibly difficult.
What, what they're going through, um, her family with Gwen and my heart really goes out. And I, and I think that any way to deal with that situation, besides I love you, I'm sorry, I'm here for you.
I'm sorry, I love you, I'm sorry, I'm here for you. Any other wording besides that? It's crazy.
I think it's just unhelpful. Even if you're trying to be helpful, it's not helpful.
You cannot hear these things because it's such a painful, sacred place to be commenting on. It's like what I love and hate about Housewives at the time is like so many of the biggest fights could just be handled exactly how you just describe which is like not my best moment i definitely didn't mean it that way i'm sorry yeah exactly and like instead it's like every fucking other excuse in the book like well a blogger fucking told me that you did this and like i would you know but it would be But it would be boring if they had.
I know. I like Meredith.
I'm sorry. I love the way she speaks.
You do? I love her accent. I think it's really funny.
And yeah. You should ask Mary on our team.
I like her. I like that sometimes she's just like, I'm done with this.
And when she gets upset, it's shaking upset. When Meredith loses her mind, it's the best.
Because it's like she might pop. Yeah.
It's absolutely. And I love Mary mary i've gotten i've become very fond of mary i wasn't so sure when and and with her opening up and whatnot i very much appreciated that as a viewer yes i thought i thought angie k love angie k love angie k we look i'm obsessed she's just iconic yeah everything she's high body count hair was like i mean that was the craziest yeah thing i've ever heard in my life yeah they were good yeah i mean when you go back and forth with somebody i mean i really do feel that the other woman in my personal opinion did start it she 100 did she showed up a hundred percent so it's like oh and she wouldn't don't dish it out if you can't take it.
And Brittany will not admit to anything. She will not.
Like if she would just be like, yeah, I did say that. My bad.
But then Bronwyn had to be like, you did, Brittany. You did.
You said it to me, Brittany. Yeah.
Thank you, Bronwyn, for saying what happened there. Do you think Brittany deserves a snowflake? Let's see.
I'm not sure we really got to know Brittany so much this season. I think we got to know more about her relationship.
Yeah, but she keeps the drama. You think she keeps the drama? Really? I will be very sad if she has a lesser role next season.
Oh, yeah. I would be sad, too.
I want them to make her, like, so that we can actually get to know her. Yeah.
Because we're not getting together. The what about me are so good at the tables.
And the, like, I have an announcement. The I have an announcement stuff is scary.
I finally need to be honest. You guys.
We had sex. When they did the mean text.
Okay, but how about Lisa and Meredith both didn't have to do any mean text. They both coincidentally left the table right before they had to.

Lisa pretended, lied about her worst thing ever.

And then Meredith being the lawyer that she is,

like faked, got up and stormed off.

Like none of this is okay.

But what about when Brittany was like, okay, I have one.

And hers was like, so.

I'd rather him like Bronwen over married for tea or something yeah mary was like i agree you should invite bronwen over me and i love mary and angie k's um relationship that they have developed i i think that that is like a very sacred and i i feel like a lot of pain from Mary's past and to see her immediately go at Angie for feeling like for a moment that this wasn't going to be the friendship she thought and I love that they two did work through it and immediately, you know, the hand holding and the tears. I think Mary is so real.
I think Whitney's real. I think Angie Kay's real.
And I think sometimes Lisa, like great TV. I would very much miss her if for some reason she left,

but like, I would love her to be more.

You can't, you can be wrong.

We're all wrong.

We're all human.

We all make mistakes.

You can say something you shouldn't have said,

done something you shouldn't have done.

Like it is literally just us.

It's what we're, it's our makeup, you know, it's inherent.

So you can say, sorry.

Yeah.

And be done with it. Totally.
You have to watch Potomac. You need to watch Potomac.
It's so good. You're one of many people who have told us that.
Is it almost over? Where are we at? It's already ended. This is Karen Hooger, the grand dame, who got arrested for the UI.
Yeah, but she's in rehab now. She's in rehab now, yeah.
But she was found guilty. So maybe we'll pick up next season.
But wait, are you saying it's done as in they've cancelled the show No no no no for the season Oh thank god Have they done reunion? You're one of many people So I only have that one nine and then I'm done I was about to be so upset if you told me that it was actually done done You're one of many people have said We need to start watching Potomac It might still be here We have a long list of you done it yet? Okay. Just like we have a long list of shows we're watching.
We have so many shows. We have every intention of getting in.
What about Temptation Island? Oh my God, we have not. We haven't done that.
Dive, what? What? Okay, so they take real relationships that they've been in. Everybody's at some type of crossroads.
And these people are together a long time. And they come to this island and they separate them in a house of singles and then each week at a luxurious bonfire in the middle of the woods they do a like 30 seconds that you can see your other partner what he's or she is doing on that part of the island you get 30 seconds and they tell you we're not explaining before this clip or after it's crazy one.
One person, he had a full on threesome. I think it's in the first season and he cheated on her with a full on threesome in the shower.
She had to watch it. I was like, this is mental warfare.
Like this is so upsetting that you actually had to physically watch somebody you've been with nine years do that to you. was like nine years together this is horrible and i'm hooked and give me more because like temptation island season one was like when i was in college and it's the same host really yeah yeah he's so funny and they brought him and they brought it yeah mark what's his name he has a fame like it's he sounds like somebody it's like mark walberg he's mark walberg no i think it actually is mark walberg yeah it is His name's Mark.
And every time like somebody, it's like Mark Wahlberg. He's Mark Wahlberg.
No, I think it actually is Mark Wahlberg. Yeah, it is.
His name's Mark Wahlberg. And every time I see it, Mark Wahlberg.
It's Mark Wahlberg, but not Mark. No, it's Mark Wahlberg.
It's Mark Wahlberg. Why hasn't it, like, yeah, we haven't got it.
It hasn't gotten me. What's that on? CW? No, no, it is Frisky.
You want to see Frisky? Oh, my God have you seen Baddies? No. Baddies.
Baddies. Baddies shot o'clock.
Come on, guys, Baddies shot o'clock. You just need to come back and recap with us sometimes.
Yes. I know.
I think we should start a group text with us four, with Mark as well, and that we should constantly be putting just, like, the only thing that the group text is for is just movies and tv recommendations so is he into reality tv with you like have you gotten him to sit down into potomac okay um he didn't like the other ones in fact i think they a little bit drove him crazy and he would sit throughout too but once you get to six in a night i think that he his brain it can it can no longer the baddies though he will episodes. It's a lot of yelling.
Is it like Bad Girls Club? Natalie Nunn took the idea of Bad Girls Club and made her own baddies with Zeus Network, Lemmy Plummer. And it's good for him making this network pop off.
It's just like, it's so hard to do this in general. And he did it so good for you good for everybody that was involved i think ray j actually king batch who i'm friends with was also involved in the earlier part of zeus and yeah she went and she who she a ceo she a queen no seriously she is actually a a full-on baddie um i love tinka bella when you do watch it if you go to the caribbean season she's introduced and she she's a baddie i mean everybody they are standing on business and you know um and i love that term i i love that term like it's kind of i think another way in my opinion of saying, I'm a man of my word.
I don't personally love that term. Yeah.
So I love standing on business. Like, if you mean what you say and stand on it, stick to it.
Like, do not be flip-flopping over and around like a fucking fish. It's not cool.
So, yeah, I dig that. That's my real obsession.
And yesterday, I waited up all night and they put the episode on and then you clicked it and the episode was gone. And I stalked every Instagram.
I stalked everybody's Instagram to see. And everybody was also losing their minds.
All the comments were losing their minds. Where is the new episode? How could you do this? I checked today and it's back.
Girl, thank God. It's back.
I was told there's a story about three rings or three engagement rings. Is that my...
Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
What is the one that is about to knock me the fuck out currently on your finger? Which one is that? This is the final one. Okay.
Yes, yes. i crushed it you did crush it are you kidding look at that chunky bad boy i'm sorry yeah no cute beautiful sidekick that's beautiful thank you so much the original one that he got me i loved it but He, I guess, knows me so somewhere deep deep deep deep down in there some part of me was like this isn't for me but i loved it and he was like no we're gonna change it and i was like no don't change it it's the one you picked like what and he was like no no i know you don't like it and i was like i'm telling you i love it baby he's like i know i saw your face i saw it in your eyes and we're changing it.
And then the next one wasn't right as well. So he just kind of kept having me try rings on for like three weeks.
And yeah, then we got this one. What was your face when you saw that one? Yeah, well, it was a version of this, but all the way to the finger.
And I love Tiffany's martini glass. I think that's super beautiful.
And I wanted to double Tiffany's martini glass. So this is a double martini glass that sits on, that the stone sits on.
So that's why it's like so high above. I love seeing that space, which is so cool.
It's such a cool design, right? Hey, I can see you through it. Through it.
But, you know, it gets a lot more dirty because you have so much space. So oils and lotions and stuff.
Yeah, I never take it off. So I never take it off.
Only maybe like I'm playing a role, obviously. but you sleep in it.
Oh, shower in it.

Oh, yeah.

And then I popped out a stone. And now because which I'm getting fixed and when I'm showering, I'm like ripping my face up because it's like rough.

But I refuse still to take it off.

I'm that kind of girl who is just like, even when, you know, you could make something easier on yourself.

Yeah, you're too lazy to change it.

Like you're like, no, I'm still going to do this. That's me.
Love that about you. What do you think's next for you and Mark and your future? And like, I guess what are your, it sounds so like an interview question, like you're interviewing for a job, but like, you know, how do you see life unfolding for you in the next kind next chapter of your life? Hopefully happiness.
Let's start with that. Always happiness and getting closer, really learning more about each other and whatnot and each other's families.
I'm a very family-orientated person, so it's very important to me and definitely win the time as well that we might have a family. I think it's really important to get that a bit more of a stable ground, you could say.
And yeah, we're doing our first movie together. We've raised all the finance together and we've really, I would say, usually I think a huge testament is working together.
I would like to, as I said, my father say a thorn empire one day. And if I'm going to have a partner and especially for life, I want a partner that I can really work with because I love working.

And it's one of the things that make me the literal happiness in life. And so getting through this process with them and never not once, knock on wood, wanting to rip each other's hair out, I think has been such a beautiful experience.
there's been so many times where you know in the movie industry and

you sign a contract and then this and then that

and then oh that falls through and this thing and this thing and you're you're on this emotional roller coaster and i would say over the last year of making this movie and we shoot it coming up so i'm talking about making it in the other sense of getting it together um there's been so many tears. There's been a lot of moments where I just was like, you know, why, why, why, why? And this is so important to me.
And it's become so important to him. And that's, that's so beautiful that he's like taken that on with me because he didn't have to, you know, he, he's a producer.
Yes. But you know, this is like a very specific thing.
And I, I think it's just so endearing and it, and it brought us really close. I mean, I started the show long before now and I met and when I met her, she was a surgical, surgical technician and I never envisioned like being able to work with her.
But like, now that we are, it really is like it's awesome right you know it's like you feel like very lucky you feel more like a team and like you know like you said knock on wood but like we hopefully do a good job or of not getting sick of each other even though we spend all our time together but like yeah it really helps you feel more connected and to like just you know she's always the first person I go to if I want to run something by an idea by her and just to know it's like her it's like it's just a great feeling and not I think very few couples are even very few happy couples and successful couples aren't able to be able to work with their partner like like you and Mark and like I get to do with Natalie and it's I feel very lucky and I can I can hear it describe that relationship with Mark. It's a very cool thing.
Yeah, I do feel very lucky as well. I can't really imagine it any other way, except for in the past when it hasn't gone well.
Yeah. You know what it's like when it doesn't go well.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so that's really beautiful that you guys also get to do that together because it really, man, talk about going from having an OK day to an amazing day. And even when you're having a really shitty day, how important it is that your partner is there and can, you know, you're not always able to give 50 50 in a relationship.
And sometimes you can only give 15 and the other person has to make up the rest and i think that that's so beautiful when that does happen and i feel like it happens a lot um and especially when working when you're so stressed out and whatnot um and so it's really great that you guys have each other yeah and to like go i mean you're going through it together so like you're both you know it's not like you come from work and you're like, let me tell you about my day. It's like, no, we experienced that day together.
Like we know how the other person felt or how that went, you know? And then like you just, you know, you both have your strengths and not necessarily weaknesses, but you play off each other. Just even, you know, Natalie being on the show, like even in this interview, it's just like this interview is different because I have my wife here with us.
And when we talk about, we have a lot of women guests and we talk about some sensitive issues, I always try my best to empathize, but it's a lot easier having my wife here who is also a woman and I can understand. And it's like, just moments like that.
It really makes you appreciate when you have someone who really, it really feels like a partnership at that point, you know? And I'm sure there's been moments with you and Mark where like, you know, he stepped up where you felt like you needed someone to step up for you and vice versa. And those are always really great, great moments.
Yeah. You spent some of your pivotal years with Zendaya.
What is your relationship like today with her? It's good. Yeah.

I think we mostly text on birthdays

and things like that.

When something good happens in the

other person's life, we'll both shoot

each other a text. I think the last

time I saw her was her birthday party.

That's lovely. Yeah.

We live in different places, too.

Yeah. I mean, I think my

best friend is in Georgia.

So it's like,

we don't,

but I think just being able to like,

keep,

it's like,

you don't have to talk every day.

Yeah.

Pick up where you left.

But you just,

yeah.

It's like,

there was no time has passed.

Yeah.

That's so lovely.

I'm so glad.

Also,

like Nellie said,

it's like these transformative years in anyone's life.

Like there's very few people who can relate to certain experiences. Exactly what you went through.
Yeah. Yeah.
went through yeah 100 so it's nice to be able to at least keep that bond yeah even if it is you know here and there yeah though this has been this has been lovely lovely yeah you guys are are really really amazing i know that we did a little something before but you are just so incredible and yeah it is so so great to meet you thank you you are a beautiful brilliant person and i am so glad that we had the honor to get to know you in this way i have the utmost respect for you so thank you so much is there anything you wanted to put out promote share um thorn dynasty bitch yeah yeah thorn dynasty um if you guys are liking it um i have a code as well thorn 20 thorn 20 there you go 20% off put it in the show description too yeah yeah um i'm wearing it if anybody's digging some jewelry and likes jewelry where can they find it come peep it um on thorndynasty.com. There you go.
Thanks for being so vulnerable and open and honest.

Thank you for letting me.

That's always when the tears come on, it's always a, oh, here we go.

Kind of feeling, oh God.

Well, thank you again.

And thank you guys for listening.

I hope you enjoyed this episode.

We'll see you back tomorrow.

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