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I'm unpacking my clothes. I just bought some clothes from a very cool shop in Hamburg.
Hello, everyone. Hello.
Welcome back to the Trifles podcast.

Tell me more about this bag of clothes that you bought.

I went to a store called Tomas Punkt,

which is

a family-run shop. 45 yarn, we have been here, and it has been the family set it up and then their children, and then the children of their children.

And all of the clothes are made locally by local artists and fashionists. And you will pay a lot more for a t-shirt than you thought you would very well.

Is it like you Bruno now, basically?

It looks, first of all, it's a really lovely shop.

It's in a big sort of four-story, looks like a house, but it's tall. So it clearly was like an old factory building of some kind.

It's in the middle of sort of downtown Hamburg, surrounded by like the Nike store and everything.

And there's this one icon of that very sort of 60s, 70s, post-war, very lefty liberal Deutschland, which was like, money is evil and we should abandon property, you know, that kind of thing, which was their sort of rebound from the depths of fascism.

They went straight to the other side, a lot of people in Berlin and stuff like that.

And so, this was clearly a collective born out of that. But now it's just run by a bunch of hipsters.

So, I went in there and there was a lady, even older than me, and she was like, Yavi have been running this shop for so long now, and you will find fashion here, you will not find in your London so your Parises or your New York.

And I was like, Okay,

and it was just t-shirts. No, no, they had all kinds of stuff there.
But the thing is, a lot of it was very Germanic, obviously. So, quite

seen,

no, like very boxy, wide-sleeve, wide-arm, very square-shaped. Lots of GIMP wear.
No GIMP wear. Well, you've got a very dim view of Germans.

They like to, they work hard, but they play harder, I'm told. Yeah.
But Hamburg, I spent about an hour and a half this morning walking around it.

And it's obviously this city was severely mauled during World War II. So an awful lot of it was flattened.

Just when I was coming here, my mum actually told me that her grandfather, who was in the Air Force in World War I, he came here because he ended up working with German companies post-World War I and then post-World War II.

They made a lot of ball bearings in this part of Germany, which is why it got fucking bombed so much because ball bearings apparently win wars.

And he came here and when he got into Hamburg and looked, it was just still, you know, being rebuilt. And he was just appalled at the devastation because it was like a lot of classic European cities.

You go somewhere like Vienna or Munich that was spared the bombing.

And then you come back to places like Hamburg and like Coventry and like Dresden that were just fucking ruined by the war and lost all of that architecture and that beauty.

So they've done a good job of rebuilding it. It still has that sort of German style with the very tall buildings with the wide avenues, coffee shops and trees and things.

But you'll see this very gorgeous old pre-war building building next to a real brutalist slab of concrete.

So it has an interesting vibe, but chill people and good coffee. So I'm liking it so far.
Has the tournament started yet? The tournament is indeed live. Right.

I don't work today or tomorrow. It's like an easy shift.
Yeah.

So I'm just chilling at the moment. Yeah, that's good.
It's nice to get some time off, isn't it? Just to

keep an eye on the games. Rest and recuperate.
Yeah, keep an eye. I haven't been following the international.
I meant to, and then I forgot to, and now I feel like uh, it's too late to get it.

I can't be asked for this stuff. It's too much going on.
Do you know what I mean? It's a lot of fun.

There's always something going on. Some band playing or a movie or a bunch of people.
I'm too busy breeding horse racing girls recently. You've been playing that? Uma Musumi movie or whatever?

Uma uma uma musumi. Uma musumi.
Yeah, so my friend

surprisingly addicted, actually. Yeah, yeah, I watched her play it, and I love the, it's got all the little sort of anime touches.

Like, I was like, I'm clearly not going to play this because apparently it's very pay to win when you do PvP.

But I would probably do it. It's such a small part of it, Pv, the PvP.
Right. So

it's like

the girls are running, they've got their tail and they're running like that. And then they'll sort of go, whew, and like wipe their brow, and then it'll say like, plus velocity, and they're going.

And I thought, this does look quite fun, I guess. But then it's got all the storyline shit.
And I was like, ah, this is going to be too weird. Oh, you can skip all that.

I play on like mega fast speed. I don't even watch the races anymore.
I just play it like a football manager. Yeah.
I just like, I don't watch anything. I just like

a spreadsheet. It is a spreadsheet, basically.
Yeah.

You just, it's a

legacy loop. You want to make like parents and grandparents that can like imbue stats into your races to like push them up.

You breed the girls? You don't breed them, but it's like, okay, you know, like you.

It's roguelike in the sense that like the you, you, you do like

the story, the races,

and then you kind of build up a character over a brief period of time. And then however they finish, they might win the whole thing, they might not.

You retire them like you would do a normal horse or whatever. And then they have a chance of rolling stats.
So you're trying to get these blue

spark stats rolled to the highest, which is like three.

And then

when you get that, then

your next runs are a bit better because you can imbue those stats into your next racer. You see what I mean? Yeah.

So there's like affinities and there's all these, it is, you can't, you, you, you can easily break it down into a spreadsheet and just enjoy that side of it if you like as well, uh, and not not worry too much about all the other stuff.

But I mean, it's like pretty repetitive, but it's a nice-looking game. And like, you know, the sounds and everything are pretty cool, and the music and everything.
So it's like, it's fine, you know?

Yeah, it's been, it's, it's, it's, it's a good, it's a good one. It's neat.
I mean, watch the races at first because they're, they're entertaining. The commentary and stuff is very funny.

I mean, they get so fucking carried away, though.

I'm just going crazy in there.

My feeling about horse racing is that it was just, it's just one of those quirky things that's dying out because of the cruelty and the weird sort of upper class, but also farmer vibe of like the people who are in it.

You know, it's a very unique group of people who are involved in like the queen. Yeah.
Yeah, like toothy British people.

yes you know but but also people yes i'm entering lazy sunday uh to win this championship

yeah well i think you might be underestimating the popularity of horse racing especially globally i think it's it is absolutely it's still very popular yeah and there's camel racing as well in other parts of the world they do camel racing cock fighting for example cock fighting dmx used to do dog fights lots of dog fighting and michael vick famously the the kind of people who were willing to gamble on it though are also the kind of people who go to so dog racing or go to the bookies you know and that is not necessarily the mainstream person is it it's it's kind of a more working class individual do you know what i'm saying about that or dare i say it a more working class well it it's weird that the horse racing

bridges that gap though you see

there's still a very british after the glue factory

graceful working class you see it right like the

british television made for for people you know it's like there's all the soap operas are all very emotional they're made for the working class they're all very

very of a of a thing i mean the fetished stench of the working oh god

listen speaking of british television i watched a show last night it's like married at first sight uh and survivor combined and it was oh god it was pretty bad married at first survivor married survivor first sight.

So they speed date.

They're matchmade at the end of this process of speed dating by professionals, quotation marks. And then their honeymoon is on

a small boat that's taking them to an island. And then they have a bit of champagne.

And then they jump into the ocean wearing like their wedding dresses and suits or whatever, swim to this island, and then they have to live together with like nothing. Like

survivor style. They get like a couple of tins of beans and they got to like build fires.

They got no bug nets and they don't have any clothes or anything. It's just whatever they turn up in.

So my suggestion to you is if you're going to go on that show and get married, get married in like fucking Navy SEALs gear

if you want to survive. Because they're on there for weeks, apparently.
Or get married to

that survival guy. It is mad.
I'm going to wash my hands. You guys keep talking.
I've been outside, so i want to wash my hands uh this it was it hosted by divina mccall

of course it was

bbc one

uh it's unbelievable actually i felt like i'd gone back in time like 30 years but uh i mean stranded on honeymoon island stranded on honeymoon island yeah

this is what i watched yesterday i watched this last night and i'll probably watch it again tonight as well

it's so so all right

yeah this if you're looking for something to watch Lewis, I think you would really enjoy Stranded on Honeymoon Island. I'm not going to wait, but that's my big recommend.

That's my big up for this week. I've been watching this.
That's your one big up. That's my one big up.
This garbage guilty TV is fine. Do you know what I mean?

It's fine, isn't it? It's like a guilty pleasure. It's like relaxing.
You turn your brain off for half an hour.

All the contestants look like they've been stung by jellyfish before they even enter the ocean for the first time.

They all have like

the teeth and the fillers and everything. It's mad.

I don't know where they find all these people. They look like they've been stung by jellyfish.
They go out sometimes. They go out into the ocean.
Go out sometimes.

I don't see these people when I'm out and about. But you don't know where they find them.
Fucking Essex. They're not in Jersey.
They're in Essex. I suppose, yeah.

What, the Honeymoon Island is like the fucking Isle of

people. The people with the lips are look five times the size of a normal lip.

I mean,

i i guess like you know if if you are self-conscious about your lips because you haven't got any i guess you know get some i guess they've got lips they just want bigger bigger ones yeah it's bizarre it it's bizarre it's one of the worst ones for me in a sense like people always were like oh don't get tattoos i just think it'd be so painful too to have like injections into your lips like ouch but I feel like lips are the one of the worst ones.

If you get all the saggy, if you get the lips swollen up, they ain't, you're going to have to have them desagged later on it's just such a bad idea the lips thing didn't anyone learn from the trout pouts of the 90s

they still do it what was that one the famous one she was in uh men behaving badly she had leslie ash oh she had the iconic trout she had the iconic trout pout at the time i don't want to i don't want to bring people's looks into it like all the time or whatever but i mean a big part of watching these shows is that you do kind of you know comment on people's looks and stuff because i i think a lot of the people on these shows really rate themselves as well.

So, you know, like, I think they're like, Yeah, look at me. So, you're you're you want to comment on their looks or at least think about it, kind of thing.
But

have you guys heard of Paris Jackson? I'm so ignorant, I've just learned about this lady. No, so she's Michael Jackson's only child.
Oh, yeah, okay, I know Paris Jackson.

Only daughter, she's the second child and only daughter of Michael Jackson. She was the one that he dangled out on the balcony in exactly the famous, the famous balcony dangle.
Oh, my God.

In London, yeah. So here's what I don't get.
I'm not being funny. Michael Jackson was a black man, 100%, especially in his youth.

He looked, he had an Afro, he had dark skin, he was clearly a black man of African descent. Yeah.
Harris Jackson is the whitest woman I've ever seen. She is blonde.

She has blue eyes and she has she has looks nothing like she has any kind of mixed race heritage whatsoever. Well, wait, who's her mother, though? Debbie Rowe, this nurse.

Debbie Rose, that's literally paid money to have a baby.

and clearly this is a surrogate child i just find it fascinating that she's listed on wikipedia as being michael jackson's biological child i don't believe that i'm sorry but i don't believe it

happily proven wrong if you know otherwise email him for a future mailbag episode and let me know but i'm pretty sure she said she's multiracial but considers herself black that is so fascinating she really doesn't look black at all she's got it looks like she's got no black heritage whatsoever right i'm gonna look her up hang on a second paris jackson i'm gonna i'm I'm gonna have the final word on this.

You do it.

Because you're the authority. Paris Jackson.

American model and actress. I don't know.

She's gonna do it. Images.
I don't even need to. She comes up.
There's image. She's 27 years old.
Wait, she was born in 98? Yeah.

When was the balcony dangled? Probably around 98, 99.

She looks like a little bit like a young Madonna.

It is frightening that a dangling baby, as I remember them, is now 27 years old. That is, that is,

I just think it's funny.

Sips is like, wait, that was 1998? As if that happened like five years ago. Like, this was so, all of this stuff was so long ago, all this Michael Jackson.
She's 27 years old now. Yeah.

I remember when she was just being dangled out of off a balcony as a baby. I can remember when you were being dangled out of a balcony, but look, it's the little dangler.
Oh, look, she's all grown up.

The little dangler's all big, big 27-year-old lady now.

Oh, man. Well,

interesting. I don't even know.

Paris Michael Catherine Jackson.

Paris Michael. She's actually called Paris Michael.
Her first name is Paris Michael.

Catherine Jackson.

That is quite. She has had quite the life of being embroiled in

that whole mess. God.
Poor, poor, poor woman.

She is a multi-millionaire, though I'm sort of.

Let's hope so.

Yeah, so she can kind of do what she wants, I guess. You know, that's just how it is.

Damn, that's crazy. So what you guys done this week? Anything fun? You've been up to anything? Gone to any family?

Or got rained on? I got rained on. Yeah.
My kids are all back to school. My kids all went back to school this week.
So

it's been an interesting one. My youngest started school.

Yesterday was her first day. Yesterday she was fine.
Today, not fine. She was like, she realized, hang on a second.
I have to come here again. I'm going to cry and cry.

But her teacher is like pretty good, though. Her teacher's like, why don't you come and help me do this? And we're like, okay, bye.
Just left me.

But I mean, you got, they got, they gotta, they gotta get used to it. You know,

it takes a couple of weeks. Sometimes, some, some take longer.

Yeah, you're now, you're now, you're now doing this thing. Yeah, this is, you have, you have to do it.
Yeah, I think she likes here every day. She likes

the morning. You with another adult and all these shitty kids you don't know.
That's this is your your life now. Yeah, she'll be fine.

Once she makes a couple of friends and stuff, I think she'll be fine. Oh, yeah.
It's just

it's early days.

But I think she likes the morning before we take her because she feels like she's doing the same thing as her older sister and brother, you know, because they're getting ready to go to school.

But they're like, they're, they're really mopey about it now because they're older. You know, they're like, oh,

fucking school. Fuck.
Why do I got to go to school? You know, like you get all the philosophicals in the morning. What is the point of this?

why do i have to go i gotta go there all day why do i have to be there all day why can't it just be like one hour and you're like okay just go to school come on like you know i feel like that's at least something they can all agree on though even though they're all quite different ages yeah

i get why it was made

because the thing is i don't think uh i don't think young kids are designed to just be at home all day like past a certain age there's nothing for them to do

and you know and then then they're just like, oh, can I, uh, can I paint

a marble sculpture of a rubber? No, go to fucking school. You can't do that here.
Like, we don't have these things that you've devised all of a sudden. You know, you know what I mean?

Like, they just get crazy after a while. Can I swim on the dolphin?

Yeah. No.
No. No, fucking go to school.
If they let you do it at school, you do it there.

If they've got dolphins at school, you ride them. Okay.
But there's none here. We're not doing dolphins.

Like, uh it it it kind of gets that point so it's good i think it's good for them to go to school i think it's i think it's good i mean i don't think it's good for anyone to stay at home all day but uh this is coming from a man who has spent 40 years

playing video games all day yeah at home so i know but like you know i think i find myself going crazy and like getting very sort of anxious if i'm sat home or having i find it i still find it strange and difficult to have a day off, you know, it almost feels like cheating, you know, like just from having a full-time job, and then, you know, because those days off were so rare when you got that, you know, and now I still get that same like feeling when I'm at home that I should be doing something, I should be going somewhere, I should be working on something.

Find it very difficult to just I work on lots of stuff while I'm at home, like a factory or like a grocery store or like

a prison. I make a prison sometimes, a meat factory.

The game allows me to make a meat factory. Spaceships, been making lots of spaceships.

I'm a pretty busy guy. I got a lot to do.
Prizy. Pretty

good.

Big frizzy. Big friezy.
Yeah.

God bless it, though. I love staying at home.
I'd hate to go. Like, I go out enough, I think.
I got a good balance. I'm forced out more than I would like to be through having a family and stuff.

But, you know, like when I get back, I'm like, oh, good. I'm glad to be home.
I'm glad, like, even when I'm on vacation, I'm like, ah, it's nice to be home.

Nice to get home to all your familiar, your stuff and everything, and your, your routines, and everything. It's good to go away, but like, uh, it's good to be home.

But I've never really struggled being at home. Some people are like, oh, I get bored at home, or I don't want to be, I need to go out, I need to do stuff.
I'm like, I'm the opposite.

I don't need to go anywhere. I don't need to be around people really that often.
And I don't need to, I don't feel like I have to go anywhere.

You know, if I, if I, if I need to go to town to get something, I just go get that one thing. I don't like waste any time like browsing or whatever.
I just want to get back, you know?

Raise my horse girls.

Get them girls.

Breed my horse women. That's what I want to do.

Don't need plans today. I'm going to breed my horse girls.

Race them.

New grandparent with

three stats. My horse girls today.

I don't know. I guess

write in and let us know. Do you like being at home? Do you like working at home? Would you

prefer to go out to an office? I I can't imagine much many people do. Loads of people you read about are like, fuck, I have,

they're forcing us back into the office and stuff. I think 99% of people

are better to be at home every day, all the time. Yes.

It's far cheaper to be at home, that's for sure. Oh, God.
You have your own lunch.

But won't you think of the estate tax and the money that all these companies paid for these expensive, shitty offices that all look the same? Won't you think of them? I will.

Yeah, I will think of them. Won't someone think of the rich people won't somebody think of them please why don't why doesn't someone think of the billionaire

guys please we're starving here they're in big trouble now they're down to their last few billions oh man

god you're making me feel bad now i'm sorry i'm gonna grab some water you guys crack on this is great because i mean everything is in one room take a bite of my bagel here

what is you living life well what is the plan for you on these two days when you're not working then um what are you gonna gonna be doing hang out with friends friends see hamburg friends see hamburg you're gonna see hamburg with friends

i mean obviously everyone i work with in dotra i've known them for over 10 years a long time yeah good friends of mine they're like i i have multiple groups of friends that rarely meet not because i keep them separate but because of the nature of you don't want worlds to collide i'm chewing i'll be back in one second it's funny really how he's like just kind of just like this isn't it just kind of slinks around you know like he sounds like he's just having a lot of fun all the time.

I think he is. I think he's just clearly in a good place.
Just like he likes having fun.

He's escaped from the family.

He's off on his own. He's on his own adventure.
Yeah. He could do what he wants.
Fuck. Eat a bagel just on the podcast with no repercussions.
You know, we're not shutting it down. No.

No. Go ahead.
We've been doing this far too many episodes to give a shit. We're professionals, so we can have a lot of fun.
I do give a shit. I do give a shit.
I'm sorry. Am I? No, no, no.
Not you.

We us. I don't give a shit.
Yeah, if we're professional, at this point in our lives, it's funny to think we are actually professional podcasters.

I know a lot of people are like, oh, I could fucking start a podcast. Why don't you fucking start one then? Why don't you fucking start one and see if you can do better?

I've got the Yoggs friends, like all the friends I've made through the Yogs, like you guys, and everyone down in Bristol and everything. Are they all in Hamburg with you right now?

No, because you are not in Hamburg, are you? And you're one of my friends. No, I am not in Hamburg.
Okay, very well. No, to.
Oh, not one of my friends either. So

fair enough. Well, I said you're one of my friends, and you said, no, I'm not.
I didn't say that. I said, I'm not in Hamburg.

Right, but I said, I'm in Hamburg right now, and so are my friends. And you said, I think I'm right in front of England.

I did that thing where I think I guessed what you were going to say and responded to that instead of actually listening to what you said. Right.
So none of the Yoggs people are in Hamburg.

Some of the, like, obviously all my Dota friends, people that I've worked with for some of them longer than 10 years, some of them nearly 15 years.

And I've known them a long time and love all of them. Then I've got like my old friends from Bournemouth and from school and stuff like that.
And then friends I've made up in London.

And it's tricky because I love them all, but they're all kind of geographically disparate. Yes.
So it's kind of hard to

think of like how to get them together.

So one of the things that me and Mrs. F do some every 10 years, we sort of renew our wedding vows, which is, I think I've spoken about it before.
It's a nice thing to do. That's nice.

Get everyone together and you sort of have another mini wedding and you just say, yes, we still love each other and we're still married, and they'll be darling.

And then it's just an excuse for a party and everything. So, it was really nice.
So, I get, I gather, oh, and my poker friends, the group of people that I played poker with for many years,

they're another group of friends. When's your next renewal? Um, let me think, it was my anniversary on the 1st of September.
Oh, uh, that was our 24th wedding anniversary.

Geez, um, so six years' time, six years, so we're 2031. Put that in your calendar, Lewis.
We're gonna crash.

No, I honestly, I would absolutely love you guys to come next time.

In six years, okay. Yeah.
Yeah, I'll be there. Where are you going to have it? In London.
Oh, that's kind of far. Well,

he'd do it in Jersey. That's why he didn't bother inviting me last time.
You do it in Jersey.

Can't you come to my house?

Come to Jersey and do it. I feel like you just come to London on a whim, though.
Some type of sips. Don't I?

Like, there'll be some minor celebrity doing some hooks signing, and you'll be like, I'm just flying over for the afternoon. It's like

Ice Cube was happened to be shopping in the area, and I thought I'd come over and I would do it if it was like maybe not ice cube, but like, you know, I would get like for a show or something, I would definitely go.

But the thing is, it's it's quick and easy to do. You could do that in like a night, you know, you don't you don't need to be away for like too long.
Uh, so like sometimes, yeah,

I can I can just about swing it. The problem is, is I mean,

we're connected if you like to London, but like you got to land in Heathrow. We used to have a flight to London City, which is really nice.

It's much was much easier to just land in London City and just get right onto the tube and zip around and stuff.

Heathrow and Gatwick are both kind of a pain in the ass. So the thing is, Heathrow is near me.
Like it's a 20-minute cab ride. So if you did come,

which I'm not expecting you to, but if you did,

you would just get the little

biplane or whatever you get from Jersey over to Heathrow. It's like a 20-25-minute cab ride.
You're in Twickenham. That's where the party would be.
And then you could fuck off off the next day so

it's uh it's not a biplane from here to heathrow okay what is it it's an actual airbus something uh you know like one of the smaller airbus um planes you know yeah but you can't just refer to it as an airbus because that implies it's huge but it's clearly not it is it's uh here hang on it's the it's not the airbrush

flight radar right now okay let me go have a look at jersey airport and see what's taking off okay take a look you're looking for a british airways flight from jersey to heathrow which would have left probably this morning.

There's probably another one like pretty soon. And then I think there's another one tonight.
It's like an Airbus,

yeah, it's like

a 150-seater or something. It's like, it's a big, it's a big plane.
Oh, that is, that is, that is a sizable plane.

Airbus A319. Yeah.
It's actually.

You want to see the size of the runway here. It's small.
I'm looking at it.

When you touch down, it's like they're fucking slamming the brakes on and

you're in the cockpit, like up against the windshield pretty much indeed see but i'm looking here uh one of the other planes that is flying over jersey at an altitude of uh 2 000 feet is a uh reams cessna f-172m skyhawk okay well that's a private plane at most a four-seater yeah that's a private flying over st catharines as we speak that's a private plane uh if you see any blue islands planes those are like uh turboprop planes as well those those are probably what you would think of you know being the the type of plane for this place.

But no,

there's some big commercial jets landing here, too. So it's an hour flight, easy to get.
An hour 10 flight from Jersey to Heathrow. Hour 10.
It's not.

It's not at all, actually. That's what it says on here.
I know, but it never is. It's always about 45-50 minutes.
I see. You have to be there early.

Bonjour, this is your captain from Jersey.

Taking off in a moment, so make sure your T-Bills don't happen. Your drinks trays, to

electrical items that we can put

with the shit microphone.

Once we land, you can get off the plane and go about your business. We might be able to make up some time today in the air because we are late to take off.
We missed our window thanks to the fission.

How does that even work?

Yeah, I realize we've been sitting on the taxi stand for seven hours, but don't worry, we'll make the time up in the plane. And then you get on a seven-hour flight and it takes two hours.

You're like, why don't you do this every time?

So obviously, it's not actually a seven-hour flight to two hours. No, but as I understand it, exaggerating.

Of course, as I understand it, because I'm being tedious, I have actually read up about why this might be because it is a common question that I have also had.

One of the things is the route you take is often defined by corridors where you're expected to be part of the same traffic with everyone else.

And your window is like your slot in that alleyway of planes. Right.

So you're so that your line, you know, living where I do, I can look and see the line of planes waiting to land at Heathrow coming through this sort of, this sort of corridor, if you like, of

for landing and taking off. So they're coming down to land.
And one of the planes is

plane gaps. So if you miss your bit,

they can make it up for you by bringing you in at a different angle sort of thing. So you don't have to go take the bigger route with all these other planes.

You can come in and they'll sort of like, oh, after you or something like that it'd be interesting to know how um because we base the the time it takes to get places and the distances based on that on this system but it'd be interesting to see how long it would take to get from point a to point b with no other air traffic if it was just if it was just like your flight it didn't need to fit into any of these slots or whatever i wonder if it would be like a lot quicker i i well i think it would be the thing is they a lot of it actually is um

to do with with i think it's to do with the the the wind or something because sometimes when they fly on the longest route which is new york singapore i think or something like that they sometimes go left around the world and sometimes go right whatever clockwise you do never go the wrong way we've gone left alpha

don't you mean above the world and below the flat earth there's no left or right that you can go i'm I've confused myself with this explanation, but

I think you got the idea, right?

sometimes they do they because it's cheaper they all it all they care about is the fuel cost right right for these flights they actually don't really care about how long it takes uh but obviously how long it takes is usually takes takes longer it's more fuel um but obviously fuel is such a huge part of these flights the costs that any reduction they can make is gonna be yeah they're like

they're they're they're they're like fine-tuning it down to the drop on the on these things like there's there's yeah if there's a little bit more money to mebait, if they can make an extra nickel on the flight, they'll do it.

You know, I think they have to have some reserve emergency fuels and stuff, though, don't they? Like a little bit more. Well, they just like a ratio.

They don't use the turbo every time. No, they only use the turbo when they're trying to make up time.
If you've been delayed.

I just did

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I played a board game with Ben when I was down.

I think we filmed it. We weren't going to film it.
Then we filmed it, which is like a Star Trek board game. Oh, yeah.
Is that what it's actually called?

Literally something like that. Star Trek board game.
It sounds like a trick-off Star Trek board game.

Exactly. Star Trek board game.
Star Trek board game. No, but it's like a fleet battle thing, but you have like one or two ships or whatever.

And instead of just playing out as, right, I fire my phases and I roll against your shield.

And then your shield takes one damage.

It's more like it plays out like an episode of Star Trek. So I was the Federation and he was the baddies.
I can't remember the,

what are they fucking called?

For my turn, I'm removing Deanna Troy's clothing while she's in the Hollow Demon. Dominion.

The Dominion. That's right.

The Dominion. So you actually have the officers.
So I had Captain Bagard, I had Worf, and I had Chief O'Brien were my three officers that I had.

And in the expansions, you can get like Deanna Troy and Riker and all the rest of them. For my turn, I'm replacing Deanna Troy's hairband with Jordy LaForge's visor.

Here we go.

So you actually do stuff with the officers and they actually have an effect. Like Picard is great at diplomacy.
Oh, nice.

You can hail, like you actually hail the other ships. And there's like a mechanic for winning the hail and sort of talking them into what you want them to do and stuff.
And it was really, really good.

It's a really, but it actually plays out just like an episode.

It's a very clever game. I enjoyed it.
Nice. Yeah.
I'd play that. Star Trek Board Game.
Yeah, Star Trek Board Game. Thanks to our sponsor for this week's Star Trek Board Game.

I'm going to give my week's shout out to Star Trek Board Game. Nice.
Is it a little, has it got little ships in it and stuff? It's not just a board game. It's like a miniature game.

Is it like a day in the life of somebody who lives

on the USS Enterprise 1701-D? Sadly not. It's next generation, I take it.

This is called Star Trek Into the Unknown. And you played the Federation versus Dominion set, which I think is the only one.
This is the one I played, yeah.

So they're bringing out expansions, but I've played so much. But they have to be quite careful because they can't put...
There's only so much recognizable stuff in Star Trek, right?

Like, you obviously recognize the Enterprise. Okay.
And

you recognize the Klingon Bird of Prey. Right.
Okay. And the Romulan.

And the Romulan. The Klingon Bird of Prey is the cloaking one, right? The Bird of Prey.

That was Khan's. The Romulans also cloak.

No, no, Khan. Khan didn't have a cloaking vessel in the original.
This is the Ricardo Montelban Khan. The Wrath of Khan didn't.

He stole

a Reliant class. No, he stole a Reliant-class Enterprise vessel, which was a science vessel that Chekhov had been seconded onto.
He stole that. Look, what up? Basically, any

Earth-based ship in Star Trek has a similar layer where it's either sort of a fairly boring-looking white sort of

shaped thing or it's got

or it's got a disc with nacelles above below there's one sometimes there's two maybe there's three

there's nothing boring about the federation vessels they're iconic they look they look of a certain that they're iconic but the all the other stuff in starter apart from a ball cube which is too big for this game no it's not you could absolutely the the miniatures are fucking huge in this game and i don't know

exactly and that's why the borg cube is way too big

yes but you'll just make a cube, and it like there's it doesn't matter in terms of the bigness of the miniature, it really doesn't because it's just it's not really the biggest factor in the game.

Like, it's not, it's not like like you are measuring distances and inches, but you've seen how large that Jemadar cruiser is, innit?

It's massive, it is fucking huge, but it's all, but it does the scale doesn't make sense. Like, you just have a big cube, that's it.

It doesn't matter if it's to scale, because equally, if you look at the board, it's like you have a star.

Okay, I'm just saying you have someone who has watched all of Star Trek, Next Generation, PS9, all of Star Trek, all the new stuff, everything.

When Ben showed me that Dominion ship out of the box set, and he was like, what is this? And I was like, I have no idea. And he was like, it's from Star Trek.
I was like, I have no idea what it is.

Even though you've told me it's from Star Trek, he was like, I'll give you some clues. And I couldn't guess what it was.

It's difficult. But

they want to release the expansions for shit you actually want.

If they give you the Klingons and the Romulans and the Federation and the Starter Pack, no one's going to buy the Dominion expansion because who gives a shit?

People are going to pay for the Klingons. They're going to pay for the Romulans.
They're going to pay for the Borg. Well, just about.

I mean, but the thing is, it's, you know, already in the starter set, there's like three different kinds of Enterprise. Do you know what I mean? Which ones? No.
There's only one Enterprise.

The 1701-A and the 1701-D and what else? The Voyager one? They've got USS Constellation.

Constellation, yeah. Constellation.

There's a constellation. There's like the Reliant class.
There's all kinds of different classes. But they're basically the constellation is the Enterprise, but with four on the cells instead of two.

What kind of shuttle?

They all have the same little shuttlecraft. Yeah, that's fucking crazy.
You send away parties, you beam down. Can't you paint?

You can't customize it slightly, even? I don't know. Maybe.
I mean, the shuttles aren't little miniatures on the board. You just

have a thing that says team, and you go to here or they're there. Like, that's it.
You don't have a little shuttle. They haven't fleshed out that part of the game.
Maybe that'll be fun.

Just me, it's a good game. It's a good game.
i'm just worried that sometimes these games you know it's a little bit like i always think it's a little bit like these

um things that you start

i know listen listen listen listen listen i mean you know when you used to be able to buy you know you used to buy those magazines and it was like build a

a train a steam train in 50 issues right and so you'd buy episode two and you buy episode three and you buy episode four but then obviously they'd stop it they discontinue it because it's not being sold anymore and so you're left with like a half finished train yeah right that i'm worried that this stuff is happening with these types of games like they kickstart a starter set but they have to hold back any good stuff because they know that they want to keep selling it in the future right but they but they never get to the sell that in the future because the starter set isn't good enough because it's got stuff that people don't recognize just

they're shooting themselves in the foot by having a shitty starter set with stuff that you don't know you've never heard of in order to try and sell a thing in the future an expansion for this game if it gets popular it's a risk.

You know, but it might not. And then you just double it.
Don't, don't. Why bother? Just start with the best stuff is what I'm saying.
I think. And then you can worry about if it's successful, great.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like, so many people

are mad with their strategy. Just lead with the good stuff.
Put the good stuff out there.

You have to plan for a future sequel. It's the same thing with all television shows, right? And all movies and all these franchises.

Everyone's planning for a fucking franchise or a fucking season two yeah because like a good season one

it's an attractive prospect for investors if they can see that they have you know other other plans not just like a one fuck all these people well nothing would happen without them i don't know if you've noticed but we do live in a society where uh

capitalism is uh is in full effect so it makes sense to do you know what's what's interesting to me is that um sequels used to be seen as what they are, which is a cash grab.

And people didn't have, I was talking about this the other day on stream, actually, that people think of sequels now as like, oh, this is their new blah, blah, franchise.

And I hope there's a sequel to so-and-so. And people like sequels.
People are willing to go watch sequels. Like most movies are sequels.

And as much as you say you're sick of them, billions and billions and billions of dollars of feed and box up sequels. And we've talked about this again, is comfort.

People are going to be cheaper to make a sequel. People know what they're getting.
They say, I liked that before, I will like it again. It's safe, it's easy to do.

They didn't use to sequence, but that's what a sequel is, right? Were people just gamblers in the 80s? They just didn't care. Like, yes, a lot of the movies.

Like, think about Rocky had sequels and people made fun of it. The Star Trek movies had sequels.
Like, on The Simpsons, they're like Star Trek, no, you know, episode 13, so very tired is the

name of the movie. Well, that's because they stunned.

They saw toys in the 80s.

They design all of the toys. They would make loads of them.
They made He-Man before anybody even knew what He-Man was. They flooded toy shelves with this toy.
Nobody had a fucking clue what it was.

People would go to the toy store and be like, what the fuck is this? And then the TV show sold them.

But the TV show is always an afterthought in the 80s. So yeah, it was just the biggest movies of the 80s.
So, oh, gosh, some of these are clearly not sequel worthy. The Killing Fields.

That was apparently a very big movie. Okay.
Okay. 1980s in film.
Highest grossing. So E.T., they never made a sequel for that.
No.

Star Wars was the first of these big, it made three movies and they all fucking made a bunch of money. And The Indiana Jones, they made those as well.
Yeah, that was

a big problem. Movies tend to be standalone, apart from things like Top Guns.

Certainly back then, they took a lot more risks than they do now. I think there's a lot of movies that don't have sequels these days, and I don't think it's too, too concerning.

These are the big budget movies. Beverly Hills Cop, they didn't plan it as part of a franchise, it was a surprise hit, and then they turned it into movies.
Back to the Future, same deal.

They made this movie, they didn't think they were going to make a popular movie. Beverly Hills was clearly a cash-in, and so it was clearly Back to the Future 2.

I mean, all of these things were Rambo, which was quite an intense movie

about a guy coming in from Vietnam, suddenly became part of a franchise, right? Ghostbusters, they made Ghostbusters.

I don't think they were like, we're definitely going to make a second one because they didn't think they were going to make the first one. They thought the first one was

America was a huge one.

The first one was a miracle that was even released, released let alone popular lethal weapon i bet they didn't think we're going to make five of these and a tv show home alone was the same it was like home alone should never have seen the light of day forrest gump barely saw the light of day but was successful like there are loads of movies from the 80s and the 90s were but i don't i don't think they set out they didn't set out to make diehard into a franchise they didn't set out to make beverly hills copman franchise i think the difference is that it started to become normal to have sequels but you also understood the sequel was going to to be shit.

You thought it's going to be shit.

The industry has evolved since those days now.

Now they're like, this is now part of a multi-versal. Of course, it has to be because this is what they think everybody wants.
And

maybe it is what everybody wants. I don't know.

At the same time, you have seen, we do see some excellent sequels in Terminator 2 and Ghostbusters 2 and some other things.

There were some excellent sequels and reimaginings that have been done very well. So I think there is this illusion that like, you know, it's like this, but bigger and better.

You like this, that you can get more of this. And there's nothing wrong with that, right? It's when it's the problem is when it's when things are designed for a sequel, right?

When people there was that period where James Cameron was like compromised

a product like this game or, you know, like a lot of TV shows that are so they leave it hanging. And I'm, I have a bit of a problem with that.

Like, what was that show I really enjoyed on Netflix with Jeff Goldblum and they were all like the Greek gods and stuff?

And it's season two got cancelled or whatever. I don't know.
You know,

what was that called? It was, it was great.

And, you know, it's, it's, I, it, it leaves such a sour taste in your mouth when you know stuff gets cancelled. Yeah.
There's going to be no more of it. I mean, Firefly.
Let's talk about Firefly.

That was a great show.

But I almost feel like the writers and the show people are almost like holding the producers hostage by saying, well, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to make a deliberately bad end to this to force you to do a season two.

Do you know what I mean? And so there's this kind of I think the way that they're I think the way that they write stuff is they always they always leave it open in case it gets renewed or or whatever.

Uh or what do you say? When do you think this began?

I reckon Lost played a big part in the minds of these guys because Lost never felt like it was ever gonna wrap up Twin Peaks was the first big serial like multi-episode drama format.

I think Twin Peaks was the first

I think you're absolutely right about lost and lost being the writers had no idea. They didn't know when the next step was going.
Yeah.

But so if you do that, you can just keep making it indefinitely until the studio goes, you know what, we've probably run its course, just wrap it up.

Or they all get such big offers, they're like, we want to end it. They're like, okay, cool.
Just finish it off.

If you just leave it open-ended and there's no clear story, like the problem with Game of Thrones, of course, is that you know it has to come to an end because you know everybody's named

writing on it as well though well he hasn't even finished the

well

here's the thing he's in the same position as the people who wrote lost he set all of this stuff up yeah without a without a plan for it having a bow a clean bow to tie together and part of that is george irramartin's idea that history is not necessarily tied up with a neat bow and sometimes you get the bad guys winning okay now when that comes to a big hollywood production you can't have that be the end.

You could people would love that.

If Cersei Lannister had fucking won and that was the end, that would have been fucking hype. Instead of branded broken, just let's make him king.
Where's he been for five seasons, by the way?

In a forest, lying on his back like a lazy cunt. That's what the fucking end of Game of Thrones was.
Maybe you're right.

Maybe they should have ended with like the fascists beginning and killing all the kids and, you know, just everyone getting fucking brutally murdered. Like, you know, maybe that is the way to do it.

And it's like,

there you go audience how do you like that all your favorite people are dead and it ends really miserably and just how the show was to that point well you're right like it was supposed to be but but i don't know like it was like a meat grinder wasn't a formula everybody died like all the time so so i think that george o'er martin didn't have a plan for what had happened and when they confronted him about it he was like well you know i've i've got a loose idea of what's meant to happen so this all ties up nicely because at the end of the day game of thrones wasn't about just the bad guys winning it was about the bad guys getting their comeuppance right?

It was about Joffrey getting punished for what he'd done and the cathartic relief of that finally happening after him being terrible for so long, you know, such a great bad guy, but you want to see them fall.

You can't just have the great bad guy and they get away with it and win at the end, you know, just do all these crimes. You can't have this message where you know the

Nazi rapist wins at the end

and be like, man, we fucked up. That would be a hype.
And then they do

the after years where, like, he has to, like, poop in a suitcase in case people find out about his health and stuff like that. They could do a whole follow-up in the season.

You not heard about this? Oh, well,

yeah, you're right. They have conversations about organ transplants to extend their lives so that they can just keep going and stuff.
I do remember that.

How do you get a random Wikipedia page to pop up? I don't know. There used to be a random button, didn't there? Yeah, did they get rid of that? No, it's still there.
Random article.

Oh, random article. There we go.

What have you got? What's popped up? Shoran, an acronym for short-range navigation, a type of electronic navigation and bombing system used

a precision radar beacon developed during World War II.

Okay, that looks very German. Very interesting.
Carl Schapper, a German sociologist. Alt-X.
Alt-X.

Okay. Sounds like a 90s band.
Bush. Bush X.
Remember Bush X. Kakagua is a Hordino Sorne Sunday.
attempt. Was Bush X

anything to do with Bush? Like, what's. I don't know.
What's Bush X?

A band from the 90s, I'm sure. Or unless I'm remembering wrong.

Bush X. There was a band called Bush, I think.
There was a band called Bush. And a Bush X band as well.
Oh, why did they drop the X? Oh, okay. So it started.

They were called Bush X, and then they just became Bush.

Gavin Rossdale was famously married to Gwen Stefani and then had an affair with the nanny, if you remember.

So, due to an intellectual property dispute with another British rock band under the same name, Bush was forced to release their albums in Canada under the name Bush X. So, that's why you know

Bush is Canada.

Interesting. That's the because I'd never heard of them.
What do you think Certodactylus cryptus is?

A dinosaur. Nope.
It's by type of. It's close.
No, close to dinosaur. Close, but it's not a dinosaur.
A lizard.

It is a gecko found in Vietnam and Laos. Oh, this is like a little Wikipedia quiz.
It is. Hit me.
I'm going to hit you with another one.

Sassafras, Kentucky, is an unincorporated community in Knott County, Kentucky, United States of America. It's located on the Kentucky Route 15, nine miles south-southwest of Hindman.

It's a post office with a zip code of 4165. Is that what they make sarsarilla out of?

Sassafras. No sassafras.
It's a good

sounding insult. It's It's great, isn't it? No, sassafras.
I don't believe a word of that. It does sound like you an old sort of American prospector.

Yeah, with no teeth, you know.

Sassa,

sassafras. Oh, sassafras.
There ain't no gold in them hills.

I think Will Ferrell did a character like that on SNL, where he was old-timey prospector, who was for some reason sent to go along with a special forces unit.

And they're like describing how they need to approach very quietly. And he stands up and all his pots and pans are rattling.

That's a really, look that up, though. It's a really funny screen.
I love that.

When someone says something he disagrees with, he goes, oh, peaches.

That's what I mean. That sounds great.

Yeah, I think he'd let that. All right, here's another random Portoba Fest, a fundraising event organized by the Humane Society of the Pikes Peak Region.

It's a 5K run walk followed by an October, followed by an outdoor festival in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in Bear Creek Regional Park. Wow.

So if you're in the area around that time, make sure to pop on down and enjoy

Spratwurst and maybe Pretzel and have a run.

Wait, in Colorado Springs? Yeah, well, I think there's like a big, there's parts of America that have like these big German communities that celebrate Oktoberfest and stuff, isn't there? I'm sure.

I mean, I guess.

I didn't know that. I didn't know Colorado was one of them.
I don't think. I think there's all these little community weird events that spring up and become traditions.
traditions and then, you know,

some local person runs them or coordinates them or they can't stop. You know what? Nicola Tesla ran a...

In Colorado Springs, he had an experimental station called the Tesla Experimental Station operated on Knob Hill, Lamal. Nice.
Let's do Lose News. It's definitely time for Lose News.

I got nothing to say. He's got no news.

The Lose News reservoir is empty of news. Well, it's been drained.
I didn't necessarily think we were recording, so I didn't

I see. Well,

I'll just keep doing random wikis.

Here is an album called Not Enough Hours in the Night, which is a song written by Aaron Barker, Kim Williams, and Ron Harbin, recorded by American country music artist Doug Supernall.

Doug Supernall with his hit, Not Enough Hours in the Night. Take it away, Doug.

Thank you. I will.

There ain't enough hours in the night.

I don't think there ain't enough

I think I think those days are. I gotta get up to pee four times a night.

Rain of flowers in the night.

I think it's like it's gone all sassy now, country music. You know, it's like Mrs.
F listens to modern country music. Does she? Is it all?

I imagine it's all like

women's country music is all like Shania Twain, like Dan. No, no, she listens to this.
Why did I wear makeup for this? And then male country music is like, ah, shit,

my farming equipment costs too much and I'm not popular with the ladies. That's what I think.

It's mainly about heartbreak. Right.
And it's mainly like, I should never have gone down to that bar tonight in my big old truck with my shit.

See, again, this sounds like old country music, though.

Like, the new stuff, I think, is like sassier and stuff, you know.

Just, I'm telling you, listen to it because sometimes when Mrs. F is working, I will hear her listening.
Honestly, you are 100% right. It is about trucks and

truck is the number one. If you did a word cloud for modern country, it would say truck about the biggest.
Okay,

does

modern

country

still talk about trucks. Down on my luck, and guess what broke, comma, my truck again,

just like my heart break.

Okay, here, listen to this. I got an interesting little quote here for you.

It's from an AI overview on Google, okay? Because I typed in,

does modern country music still talk about trucks a lot? Okay, and this is the response: modern country music still mentions trucks, but the frequency has declined

from the peak of the bro-country era, with some analysis showing significantly fewer truck references in recent years.

While trucks were a staple theme of the mid-2010s, other lyrical themes like love and heartache are also prevalent, and the genre itself is becoming more diverse, moving beyond the stereotype of just beer trucks and girls.

Damn it. Well, maybe she's listening to post, like pre-modern, slightly more bro country.

I always tell her it's because she wants a real man to talk to her, not someone talking about football manager and Dota, some guy talking about his truck and his giant penis.

Bingo, that's what she wants. Aren't those just

those are just kind of very similar to Dota and

miniatures or whatever

you mentioned was

well, I just I just had an amazing coincidence. I landed on a random wiki page about Jürgen Dick,

a former Swiss curler, and I kept going and then I hit William Pohl, which is also a kind of a penis sounding name. Wow, maybe it's on purpose.
What's next? Wasn't there

a curling

movie in the same sort of

spirit of kingpin about curling like called like uh oh no you know what i'm getting confused with actually i'm guessing this was a canadian movie there was a film called curling

i'm sure that there's one i'm sure that there's one like where the like the curlers go to like a bar and everybody's like loves the curlers and stuff but actually the one i was getting confused with was that the figure skating one that had the guy from napoleon dynamite in it um

Blades of Fury. Blades of Glory.
Blades of Glory.

So there is a film called Curling. It It is, of course, a Canadian drama film directed by Denis Cot and released in 2010.

The film stars Emmanuel Billod, Philomene Billodoux, Jean-François Julie Von Sauvignon, and Jean Guy Topperware.

I knew it was coming.

I knew it was coming. Wow, he's in everything.

It does sound like a wheel feral vehicle, which

is coming up. Do you okay? Both of you guys give me a topic and I'll get some quiz questions.
I'll Google them up. Really? Yeah, go on.
Let's do a little

quiz to end the podcast.

Favorite foods in a nursing home. Foods in a nursing home.
Yeah. And what else, PFLEX?

Favorite prison dinners.

I'll give you a topic.

Yeah, I'm just going to Google prison trivia questions. Just do that.
Fun things to do on a train.

Fun things.

Prison trivia. Okay, prison trivia sounds great.

Prison trivia.

Okay, well,

oh, this one, okay. This is going to be a tough thing to find.
All right, sure. So, which

in these are too easy. In which U.S.
state is Sing Sing located?

Sing Sing is in

New York.

New York. Oh, is it? Oh, I thought that was a nickname.
It is

New York. Oh, it's an island.
You know, they still have prisoners in Sing Sing. Yeah,

this is an active federal prison, yeah.

What is the name for a prisoner who is serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole? A lifer? Yeah,

this is like a crossword puzzle clue, isn't it?

This is like New York Times Monday when it's easy.

Okay.

What is a shank? I think you can, I think

which US TV series starting in 2005 followed two brothers prison break prison break. That's one of them guys.
I haven't even seen it. I haven't even watched it.

Not even watching it. You know what? The problem is they watch in like the first season.
In fact, I think episode one, they break away. So it's really just on the run, not prison break.

If it had been a show where they spent season after season attempting to escape from a prison and gradually building towards some epic mission impossible style escape, I would have watched that.

That was Cellblock. Like a whole episode where they're just trying to smuggle a screwdriver.
What about Oz? Oz was set in a prison as well. And one of the seasons of Lost was set in a prison.

Not Lost. The Walking Dead, is what I meant to say, was set in a prison.

The Shawshank Redemption, very famous prison movie. Escape from Alcatraz.
Uh, also, I'd like to say that Andy fought the good fight and won. Which U.S.

prison is known for its license plate factory where inmates famously make vehicle plates, but also uh is has was brought to fame by Johnny Cash. Oh, Folsom.
Oh, uh, Folsom. No, it's a San Quentin.

I hate every inch of you.

It's Folsom, Bruce,

in California. Uh, which prison stormed in 1789 symbolized the start of a major historical revolution? The Bastille.
The Bastille. Correct.
This is great. I'm enjoying this.

Prison stuff. Prison drone.
Which notorious Soviet-era forced labor camp inspired the term the gulag?

I don't know the name of it.

It's a very difficult answer. Glavno.
Oh. Yeah, I was going to say

Glavno. Ravnila.

That's a hard one. That's a hard one.

What does the abbreviation the shoe stand for?

The shoe is solitary.

Solitary housing. Only eggs.
You go in there, you only get eggs. I think it's the special housing unit.
It's SHU, actually, isn't it? It's like, yeah,

it's a special housing unit. So it shouldn't be the shoot.
The shoe. They'll send it to the shoot.
Yeah.

uh that's where all the dirty protesters go

which

welcome to the shoe

which favours uh which favours prison was escaped from in 1962 by brothers frank and clarence and another in

alcatraz

i think that was the only escape from alcatraz but did they i mean they technically got out but did they make it out

drecking there was a conspiracy and they were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's just that they, they, like the, the, the famous movie, the Clinton Eastwood movie, one of his best movies, actually, Escape from the Archduke.

I love it. Yeah.
Um, it was.

They get out. They did get out.
Three of them got out and they had rafts that they made from raincoats that they sort of covered with this

paper mache versions of themselves in the building. With their faces in there, which is referenced in Prison Architect when someone digs a tunnel and escapes, there's a little master.

They were digging the tunnels behind the posters in their rooms. Remember, they had the pin-ups.
So they got out. No, no,

they used the grate, the vent. That's right.
And they made fake vents that slotted in there that were just painted to look like real vents. But yeah, so they did get out.

But the problem is that the San Francisco Bay is incredibly hard to swim. It's incredibly cold.
It has very strong currents, and it's a long way. It's like a mile.

So when we went to San Francisco a few years ago, we took the boat over to the

rock.

did you

cannot imagine

you're not taking me back to the rock

their their gift shop is very overpriced

um

do you know what the name

where is the devil's island penal colony uh french guy

yeah very good

can you name can you name the the book or the memoir from that it does papillon is

from is pap papillon and which means butterfly it does and how did they escape do you remember dustin dustin hoffman uh dug a hole behind a poster of a peanut

100

um no i i believe that they didn't they bribe local crocodile hunters to help them escape via boat something like that no i i i think they stitched together bags of coconuts um and then they jumped off a cliff or something with the bags of coconuts see if they fall.

The memoir du Papillon,

a lot of it is bullshit. And they're like,

this Henri Degas, this forger, didn't exist and his storyline doesn't match up with everything. Like, I think he's just a bit of a rogue, but it's a wonderful story.
Really wonderful story.

I love that. I love the movie.
I love the book. So big fan.
Nice. Which Russian prison is FKUIK-6 is

one of the worst,

some of the worst and most dangerous criminals in Russia. It's like one of the oldest prisons in Russia.
Do you know what it's called? No. It's famously like.

It's called Black Dolphin Prison. Oh,

no, never.

I feel like it's one of these places that would be referenced famously in like

Marvel movies or something like that.

Escape from Black Dolphin Prison. Doesn't look so bad.

I'm sure it's lovely.

Which notorious South American prison was so violent and ungovernable that inmates ran it themselves

until 2002 when I think it was closed. God knows.
It was called the Karandiru Penitentiary. Oh, my God.
Wow. Yeah, it was quite a mess.

And I think there are a few countries in the world, a few continents in the world where I'm like, oh, I really wouldn't want to go to prison there. No.
South America is one of them.

It's high on my list.

I wouldn't want to go to prison in Thailand either, yeah. Or China, for that matter.

yeah so or anywhere to be honest

if i ended up in prison in scandinavia it doesn't look as no yeah norwegian south american danish and norwegian prisons actually seem kind of good they you know they have they're like they have that nice fitted furniture and stuff you you get like a log cabin with a like a little bit like puppy cuddling time and stuff it's like it looks fine yeah it sounds great um today you spend 12 hours thinking about how you could do something better you could maybe not rob people and steal from people that so this is a 12 hour reflection period and then 12 hours of rest 12 hours of cuddling puppies and then 12 hours then tomorrow is a cuddling puppies workshop which you'll have to go to and then another 12 hours of learning to bake Philo Patience

yes it does sound sounds great yeah yeah it's like

I'm like in a self-imposed Scandinavian prison right now pretty much

the prisoner is to be confined to his garage, which will play for video games and record a podcast.

You gotta weave in a bit of puppy cuddling as well. Please, I beg you.

Puppies this weekend. I'm going to see those puppies again this weekend.
Those, those little puppies, the little Jack Russell puppies. So let me get this straight.

You had two kids, then you decided to have a third kid. And now you're deciding to further complicate your life with puppies.
No, no, we don't own them.

We're just like, we're, we, we're like, uh, we're, we're, we're just, our friends own them, and our team will rope us in to like walk. I thought you were on the

fence, which we're kind of like going along with because it's fun, yeah, yeah. Walking them is fun, and the kids will love it, yeah.
But I mean, you get a dog yourself, yeah, it's a lot of work.

Oh, yeah, I know, but like, we, like, we took the kids to see them, um, before we went away, and they loved it.

They were like, because because they live out, uh, like further out, so there's like lots of like country walks and fields and stuff, so they were walking them nice and safe, you know, that didn't have to worry about cars and stuff.

It was, It was good. So, I mean, I like puppies in that context.

Where it like, I guess it's a lot like being like a grandparent, you know, you get all the fun of kids, but then you don't have to like put them to bed and

do the nighttime and morning routines with them and stuff. You know, that's fine.

All right. Well, there you go.
I think that's that's enough. Yeah.
That's enough podcast. That'll do.

Yeah. Thanks for well.
Live long and prosper. We talked about Star Trek a lot this

episode. And

see you next time, I guess.

Yeah, God, thanks for long. Sick of you guys.
I'm gonna go cuddle a puppy and

learn how to break Philo Punch favorites, you said.

All right, 12 hours of puppy cuddle. Bye.
Bye.

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