S3 EP4: Charlie Baker

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Podcasts, there are millions of them.

Some might say too many.

I have one already.

I don't have any because there are enough.

Politics, business, sport, you name it, there's a podcast about it, and they all ask the big questions and cover the hot topics of the day.

But nobody is covering the most important topic of all.

Why is that?

Are they scared?

Too afraid of being censored by the man?

Possibly, but not us.

We're here to ask the only question that matters.

We'll try and say it at the same time, Max.

What did you do yesterday?

What did you do yesterday?

What did you do yesterday?

That's it.

All we're interested in is what the guests got up to yesterday, nothing more.

Day before yesterday, Max?

Nope.

The greatest and most interesting day of your life?

Unless it was yesterday, we don't want to know about it.

I'm Max Rushton and I'm David O'Daugherty.

Welcome to What Did You Do Yesterday?

Hi everybody, welcome to today's episode of What Did You Do Yesterday.

I'm Max Rushton and alongside me is David O'Doherty.

Yes Max, I'm really excited for this episode of our podcast, What Did You Do Yesterday?

I'm really excited too, David.

Will you introduce the guest?

Can you do it?

Will you introduce the guest?

I'd really rather you did it.

Will you introduce the guest?

Okay, if you insist, David, I'll do it.

Today's guest is Charlie Baker.

Charlie Baker is my friend.

He is a brilliant guy.

He hosts on Talksport.

He does excellent stand-up.

You may know him from the warm-up on Saturday mornings on TalkSport with Default Man 3.

And for the tape, this intro is actually not recorded just after we did it.

Isn't that right, David?

We did this intro a bit later.

That was a really good introduction, Max.

Now, maybe we should get on with today's episode of what did you do yesterday?

Now the more observant of you by now will have realized that David and I weren't together when recording the links for this intro.

And just to add to the continuity, I'm now walking down

quite a busy road at quarter to 7 a.m.

doing a pram walk because overnight

just before a 24-hour flight to Australia, Willie Rushman has turned into the exorcist.

Anyway, Charlie Baker,

follow on Instagram, uh, Charlie Baker Comedian, uh, where he does Smug Sunday Guy who's a great character.

And um, I think he's on tour, Charlie.

You on tour?

He's always gigging.

I think he's writing a new show.

I should have checked these things, but Charlie will forgive me because he's a lovely man.

Um,

but otherwise, yeah, a really good day and a lot of fun.

And here it is.

Charlie Baker, welcome to What Did You Do Yesterday?

Thanks so much.

You should have been here last week.

Finally, finally.

Like I'm on a really good holiday, and someone's gone, oh, the weather's good, isn't it?

Yeah, but you should have been here last week.

So, to the listeners, last week, Charlie Baker and I spoke for a good half hour

while Max would occasionally appear and then just sort of like, help me, Obi-Wan, you're my only hope

because there was a rainstorm we'll call it a tropical storm in australia there was an outage david there was an outage outage yeah who did they out is that what happens in australia i've heard it's quite an unreconstructed country

the internet was down in one half of melbourne so they just threw someone into the sea and sharks ate them yeah yeah it was wool from crocodile dundy was it yeah because we didn't know what was happening for the first 10 15 15 minutes, what we were discussing that, because you record this in a shed, Max, a little ways away from your house, that you had been taken by an animal on the short walk from the house to the shed.

Your big eagle, something like that could have swept down.

Max's big eagle.

I think it's big ego, actually, David.

I think that's what people say about him.

I think I'll miss hearing that.

I think if you ever work with me, Charlie, you'd know that that is a very humble guy.

Now, just humble, actually.

So here's the big question, Charlie, is the day, because obviously we were meant to do this last week.

Last week was such a good day last week, which no one will ever hear about.

And yesterday, pretty shit, pretty boring, pretty shit.

It was so hot yesterday.

I can't tell you.

It was the world's hottest day.

My fear with this now, because this has never happened before, is, do you know in school when you wrote an essay once that was quite a good essay?

Yeah.

And then when the exam came around, you just tried to regurgitate it, like cram it into whatever title you were given.

Is there a temptation to reproduce last week's yesterday today?

Well, I decided not to.

I decided not to just.

I just decided to let's live a whole new day, David.

Because what it feels like is when you do an Edinburgh preview and you get big laughs from all the jokes that didn't work because you go, oh, well, that didn't work.

And everyone goes, haha, that was good fun because it's an Edinburgh preview.

And then you try and do that again the next night and you realize, oh no, the show just isn't working.

For the tech, Charlie and I do a radio show every Saturday on talk sports.

And Charlie knows this, that if there's one thing apart from, you know, perhaps the world burning that makes me genuinely angry, it's cheating.

Cheating broadcast lies.

It's people who like get an answer to a quiz fed into their ear.

You know this, David, from Curdle and they're just normal countries.

I can't be having cheating.

It's worse than cheating at a pub quiz.

Tell the truth.

You tell the truth.

And there is one guest, and and we won't say who, who Dave and I are pretty sure lied.

Sort of made up some stuff.

Their day, when you go back into it, it doesn't really add up.

So if you were trying to do good bits from last week and yesterday,

you'd get found out eventually.

And I've thought about your format, and it's very good.

But do you know the

Sondime musical, Merrily We Roll Along?

What's the famous song from it?

Merrily We Roll Along.

What's the famous song, what did you do yesterday?

No.

but in that, they start at the end of their life

and move backwards to when they were hopeful students.

So the show goes backwards.

And I thought, you know, I've listened to a lot of episodes and you get a lot of mornings.

Yes.

Yeah.

And then we're 10 minutes.

And then, yeah, it's five o'clock and I had some dinner and then I went to bed.

So are you proposing that you go backwards?

No, no.

I'm just saying saying it might be an interesting way to get more evening.

To get more evening for you, I don't know.

I'm not trying to change.

I think your podcast is working very well.

Some real evening fans do send in criticism of the podcast.

Evening plus, too late, too hot for TV.

Exactly, yeah.

The late night blue stuff.

We haven't actually had any blue stuff yet, really.

So if you until today, you

missed it.

I made love to my wife all day.

Wow.

prince welcome prince to uh

22 positions on a one night stand

okay feels a lot of positions on a one night stand doesn't it doesn't it yeah

not to me that's not that many whenever i hear that song i'm like bit of a quiet night then was it

charlie when did you wake up yesterday I woke up twice.

I woke up at 6.06, which if you are in sports broadcasting, which I

was next to you for some red hot chop soccer chat and the rest.

Which I appear to be these days.

606 is a strange number.

I looked it up and so our bedroom is we live in an old barn and we live in one end of the barn and

sounds nice.

But we have skylights and we've never bought the blinds for the skylights.

There are no so it's just purely daylight.

If you're having a light sleep and it's baking hot like it was yesterday and you will wake up.

with the sunshine.

Would you sometimes wear the long haul travel goggles?

No, I can't do that.

I've tried wearing.

I'm a really good sleeper.

Yeah.

Which really annoys some people.

I can sort of snooze or sleep anywhere if I need to have sort of 20, 30 minutes.

Like a marine.

Like Jack.

Like a marine.

Because I'm very like a marine.

I'm always looking for the exit.

I never sit with my back to the door.

All these ways.

606.

You try to get back to sleep or you just eyes walking.

Immediately back to sleep.

Immediately back to sleep.

And I woke up.

You know, I was supposed to get up, help with school run, get our adult son, Stanley, off to work, those sorts of things.

I woke up at 8.46.

The house was empty.

Completely empty.

And the knowledge that deep down I was in huge trouble.

Wow.

If that happened to me, I mean, it's just so impossible because it's

by 5 a.m., there are two children sitting on top of me.

But

did you have a flurry of WhatsApps from Mrs.

Baker saying, this is hell?

No, no, no.

She's a very nice woman.

She's a very nice woman.

I love her very much.

She'd left me into sleep.

I don't know if that was on purpose or

she'd got up late.

Maybe, and this happens to us.

She knew that it was your yesterday and she wanted to come across as incredibly nutty.

She's stage managing the yesterday.

You come downstairs, she's made a cake, and it says, I love you, Charlie.

You're my everything.

But what that would sort of assume is that she's at all interested in

me doing this podcast.

That is the leap.

I like that leap.

You've made that leap pretty quickly, Max.

That she was bothered.

A.

She even knew.

She even knew that I was doing this podcast.

Some marine going then to go from 6.06 an extra two hours and 40 minutes.

It seems a lot now.

Now, because I wrote it down, so I thought I better remember that actually.

Yeah, two hours and 40 minutes.

Extra.

Penetrating sun magnifying through the skylights like piggy's glasses in Lord of the Flies.

And you are unperturbed.

In about 25, 26 degree heat, you know.

Under a duvet, just snuggled right in.

Just a good sleeper.

And then never want to go to bed.

So, you know.

know.

I'm so jealous.

I can't tell you.

What I worry about with my sleep is that I do, as Max has experienced in the past, it didn't happen yesterday, so we won't talk about it, is I do sleep through alarms.

I do sleep through things.

And so I will wake up with the,

what time is it?

A lot of the time.

Charlie owes me one hour and 42 minutes of radio show because there was one Saturday where the show begins at nine.

And like Charlie was just going one tick, not even two ticks, just one tick.

And it's getting to about 10 to 9.

Yeah.

I'm thinking this is great.

You know, like years ago, when you start broadcasting, you'd be like terrified.

But I'm like, this is brilliant.

But we needed to go to two boot ticks because he might have wrapped himself around a tree.

Fortunately, about one minute to nine, he was like, oh, fuck.

I'm in a hotel in Cambridge.

And we were like, okay, this is now absolutely brilliant.

He made it for 18 minutes of the show.

The final 18 minutes of the show.

Yeah, yeah.

My wife had rung every travel lodge in the London area, not knowing which one i was in and thinking i was a hundred percent dead i'd had a tour show the night before and nerds of this podcast will know that james a caster joined us moments after waking up nice his blue tick was not doubled or whatever we say so i rang him and then he was like oh and he came straight on then yeah he was really channeling a very pure self for the first few minutes of that because he also he needs this podcast james because his career

We're all worried about him, aren't we?

He needs this to work out.

He's gone from strength to strength since he did this podcast.

So 8.47.

8.47.

I lie there for a bit, doom scroll for a bit.

If you doom scroll long enough, you go, oh, I should probably get up.

So I think about 8.50, 8.55, I will have

got up and I got straight in the shower.

I had to go to work.

You know, I had work yesterday, so I'm trying to do cold showers in the morning, which is...

Oh, really?

Have you tried that?

Have you tried that?

That's a terrible idea.

that's awful isn't it i do it when the we have a problem with our immersion so it just clicks off sometimes i think the guy's going to come and fix it this week but i do it just out of last resort because there's a terrible smell coming from my armpits oh yeah i don't do it for high performance reasons no

yeah just because i stink yeah i don't think my we ever had a good shower in any of the two or three houses we lived in as kids so now a good shower is like for me it's like oh this is pure luxury.

Yeah.

So then why would you make it cocker?

Our shower is, I would always have it hot.

But if Jamie turns on the kitchen tap at the same time, suddenly you start because they're next to each other, you get a whoa, what are you doing?

The combination of when you stay at someone's house and right, you need to do this with the shower and then this and then carry the one and then all those things, isn't it?

So Cochran, the man who lived in my house before me.

Cochrane Cochring, so-called because he left a battery-powered, vibrating Cochrane.

Oh, sorry, I thought that was his surname of the Bristol Cochrings.

Arthur Cochrane, Arthur Cochrane.

Hello, I'm Arthur Cochrane.

Lovely music hall act.

He's played the music calls, didn't he?

Here, have you seen my Cochrane?

Oh,

but he'd been telling for his whole career that it was pronounced like

Ching as Coring.

Coring.

Coring.

Corring.

It's a silent, silent C, silent K.

You don't pronounce the CK.

All right, Cochrane.

So Cochrane he was sort of proto-high performance, I think, from some of the stuff he left behind.

So he has this extraordinary motor on the shower that sends the water down at a punishing, punishing velocity.

But the problem is he combined that with just a normal size boiler.

So you get all the water for the shower and you stand under it and it goes like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then finished.

A furious shower, yeah, short, furious.

So cross with you, it's unbelievable.

So, how long are you in this cold shower?

Can I just ask about the cock?

Did you left a cock ring?

Did he?

I'm sure you've talked about this on the podcast before, have you?

I don't know if we've covered it on the podcast.

He left a cock ring, it rings a bell.

I don't mean to, I don't, it does rings a bell is uh, what a cockring is supposed to do, I think.

So, I kept it in a bag, and when people would come to visit the house, you kept it.

Yeah, I would open the bag and show it to them.

But because it was so funny, I kept it for too long, like maybe three years to the point where it was like, babe, I don't think he left this behind.

I think someone once found this and you've created this myth around the cochering to try and.

Okay, so how long do you cold shower for?

Oh, not very long because I can't cope.

No.

I sort of step out of it, do me shampooing and stuff, and then step back in to wash it all off, and then step out again.

I can't cope with it.

Why are you doing it?

Well, it was boiling.

It was so hot yesterday.

Yeah.

It was so hot.

All right.

So, this is not something you've been trying to do to be healthy.

This is just, it was really hot yesterday.

I've had a go at it.

People have recommended it.

My son recommends I do things like this, you know.

So I go, okay, let's have a Andy Jacobs, who we work with, he recommends a cold shower, but I don't think I'm going to keep it going.

It's uncomfortable, isn't it?

Sadly.

Okay.

We get dressed, I presume.

Yeah, get dressed.

Well, you've got to do my hair.

You have to do my hair.

Of Of course, you have amazing.

So otherwise, not today.

I've bought some new wax recently, which is just wax and clay mixed up together, which gives you the hold and the flexibility, Max.

Is this the sort of thing you want on?

I really do, yeah.

No, no, no.

We're looking for a sponsor, and that was the best ad read we've ever had.

Good.

It gives you hold and flexibility.

You have to blow dry it then before you get it in.

No, no, no, no.

No, no, no.

I just towel dry it, brush about with a comb, slightly bigger than a pea size that they recommend of the wax and clay, put that in, and then I just leave it.

Sometimes I'll put it under a cap, which I feel cooks it a little bit.

Oh, I see.

Question.

For the rest of the day, do your palms smell slightly of wax?

No, no, no, no.

I'll wash my hands, David.

You know, I'm not the sort of guy who keeps someone else's cock ring for three years.

That was always my problem with hair care products generally.

I was definitely a Brill Cream man in school.

Oh, yeah, I love a Brill cream.

And it never left your hands then, really.

Yeah.

What style were you going for, David?

For a long time, I had a step, which was simply looked like two haircuts at the same time.

I was definitely of the center parting era, where I kind of looked like a peanut.

Nice.

Very nice.

Did you ever have an undercut?

Not the undercut.

No, no, no.

David and I are about the same age, I think.

The curtains and the step were very much rites of passage.

Yes.

Whereas a young, but it's a child like me

two years later.

Not young like you with your internet.

Brimson's was the best hair haircutting plate, the barbers, best barbers in Newton Abbott, where I grew up, Brimson's.

And they would do an insanely good flat top, David.

Did you ever go for the flat top?

No, I never did.

I didn't enjoy goose.

No, no, no, rest in peace, goose.

Oh, he was Val Kilmer.

He was the first flat top that I came across in Top Gun, and I found him too abrasive, so I didn't want that haircut.

No, yeah, yeah.

I think you can say rest in peace for him as well, actually.

Oh, yeah, rest in peace.

Rest in peace, Orlando.

Rest in peace.

Tom Cruise.

He's still kicking him fine.

He's still kicking about.

Okay, so the hair's done.

What happens now?

Hair's done.

Getting dressed.

Now, this was the thing yesterday, very hot.

I'm still not going to wear shorts to work.

I just don't want to wear shorts to work.

Now, I don't know if this is because I'm a countryside boy who is still in my head going up to the big city and so you have to get dressed up to go up to london and we go and live in london they're like there's a bouncer at hammersmith

so uh i don't know i just don't want to wear short and it's radio and no one can see the bottom half of you and all those things on the youtube but i just don't want to wear shorts you instead you just wear your full dungarees with a lumberjack shirt under it

on yeah brimmed hat and a piece of hay on one side of your ears.

Exactly.

Exactly that.

As countryside as possible.

Like I'm about to drive a tractor for six hours.

No, so jeans, t-shirt.

I've just taken to the Birkenstocks.

I've just taken to, which I felt a little bit.

old to be wearing when I first started wearing them.

They feel quite a young man's gay.

Are you wearing them with a sock?

With a sock, yeah, with a sock.

That sort of takes away the, you know, all your fears about trying to be smart.

And now you're wearing sandwiches.

It's not about smart, I don't think it's about smart.

I just think I don't know what it, I don't know what it is with shorts, right?

I don't know, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong because I know Max, you're a keen short act

wearer.

Well, if it's hot, yeah, like I don't like ceremony, and I would put having to dress up in any way within ceremony, and I'm just like, that doesn't matter, it's not going to change anyone's life, just wear what you want.

Charlie, how do you feel about your legs?

Is this really good?

I like my legs.

Do you like your legs?

I really like my legs, although I have very little hair on my legs and my arms.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Yeah, there's nothing there.

I have full pubes.

That area is fine.

If anyone's worried about that, FP.

Full ones.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, good.

Full pubes and underarm hair and hair on my head.

But I have very little hair on my legs, but I like my legs very much.

Yeah.

I've got good legs.

Certainly, we're coming into the Tour de France now.

Yes.

Aerodynamically, that could be a really good thing.

Yeah.

Well, also, the young men now, they shave shave their legs anyway, David.

Do you know that?

Well, the problem would be you would insist on doing the tour de France in jeans and Birkenstock shorts.

Because that would be my job.

It would be my job.

I'm going to wear jeans to work.

I can't wear shorts to work.

Oh, you don't want to be king of the mountains without shaving.

Yeah, that is really going to be.

Okay, so you're in your hopefully a light trouser, but you know, down.

A jean.

A jean.

A jean, okay.

It's the heaviest.

Yeah, I know, the heaviest fabric.

Yeah, I know, yeah.

But God,

I like a jean.

What can I say?

Yeah, we can't judge you.

No judger.

I didn't know there was judging on this.

No.

But I'm going for it with me wardrobe.

I'm going for a new wardrobe, which is I'm going to go for about four versions of the same outfit and just that.

So I'm getting rid of loads of clothes.

I like those people you see and they always look like exactly the same.

Like you see an architect and they're always in like a black t-shirt, black trousers and a black jacket.

And they look good.

And what do you think this will achieve?

Just for me, ease.

And also I just like to have a vibe.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Just to the listeners, Charlie is currently wearing what you might call a Breton t-shirt.

It's a sort of striped t-shirt.

The jeans famously from Nîmes, Denim.

Yeah.

And then your t-shirt from Brittany.

Yeah.

So is it a French influence?

And a beret.

And where's the beret?

This one's actually from Pizza Express.

Yes, a Breton.

That's one of the looks I'm going for.

You're doing really well with it.

Yeah, thanks so much.

Okay, so downstairs for breakfast.

Yeah, downstairs.

Yes, a cup of tea, always a cup of tea first.

I'll only have two cups of tea, and then that'll be it for the rest of the day.

Oh, wow.

Back to back.

Yeah.

Okay.

First cup of tea, sort of, you know, and then second one, never get through the second one because I've never got time.

Yeah.

I like toast and apricot jam.

Okay, lovely.

Butter?

Butter, yep, I have butter, yeah.

I'm gluten-free, gluten-free, so gluten-free bread

and

a banana.

Okay.

But I'm on my own.

Normally, I'd be having a chat with my wife,

but she's out.

I don't know where she's gone.

She's taken the kids to school, done all the things.

Is there a calm in the air?

Like, do you enjoy a school?

Yeah, I like it.

You know, I like a morning.

I like, I hate having to get up and get out.

Yeah.

I like having a sort of nice, slow morning.

When have you got to get out of here or you've got time to lay?

I've got to get out.

I was trying to get in early.

I had to meet someone for a chat and I was trying to get in early.

Have we got a new deal?

Is it something important?

No, I'm not going to talk about what the chat's about.

Okay, fine.

Was it about me?

So I need to get in and meet someone for a chat.

It was nothing to do with you.

And I hadn't got up and basically it hadn't worked in time.

But then also, it would have done, but as you'll find out in a minute, all the trains were falling apart.

Oh, this is exciting.

So, you know, I hadn't got out of the house.

Then I drive to the station.

Okay.

Drive to the station.

What do you listen to on the way to the station?

Radio one, the Radio One breakfast show.

Okay.

Which is good because you're just about to go on talk sport and radio one breakfast show will help you get across the sport of the day and support your colleagues.

As you know, Max, I am very aware of all the sport at all times.

And never googling who is Kepa Aretha Belaga

as I'm about to ask a question about Kepa Aretha Balaga.

Is Kepa Aretha Belaga the biggest disgrace in sport?

Text in.

Let us know.

1089.

And was it good, the Radio One Breakfast Show?

Or are they playing the?

The Radio One Breakfast Show is very, very, very good.

Greg James is good.

Greg James is an absolutely excellent broadcaster.

He's very, very good.

And you're right in the demographic, aren't you?

It's aimed at me, obviously.

What it is, is when you do the school run.

They don't want my boring old sad music.

The music I like is, my son tells me, is two old fishermen singing about their wives who've just died.

You only listen to sea shanties famously.

You know, it's cold and it's wet and they're dead.

When he does impressions of the songs I like.

And that's like the verb.

Yeah.

Isn't it?

That's the verb.

Old men singing with a hitting a rock and singing a song about

dead folk.

Do you say to him then, I'll tell you what, your music's like, beep beep boop boop, beep, beep, boop.

But I try not to do that we did get actually what didn't happen yesterday but there was a mild row it's a regular occurrence when you have teenagers about how I said this didn't happen yesterday so I don't know if you want this conversation we won't edit it in but we're interested to hear I just mentioned I think Charlie XCX is miming at Glastonbury

and for saying that I got called an old fogey you know you sound like an old man you know moaning about old stuff yeah you're better than that dad you don't think like that and that's the the sort of thing I was getting told quite a lot.

Just for mentioning, I think she might be miming.

It didn't help then that I

put on the beach boys round, round, get around

and started miming to it and going, look, I'm in the beach boys.

I think I wound the situation.

And you did refer to her as Charlie 10, C10.

Charlie 10, C10, yeah.

For all of you rolls.

That'd be a good tribute act for Charlie XCX, wouldn't it?

What's C, actually is C 100, isn't it?

C 100.

100, isn't it?

Oh, so Charlie 120, though.

10, 110.

An X before takes 10 off, and an X after adds 10.

So this is just Charlie 100 messing about a bit.

Also, you know, I'm not an old Fogey because I listened to the Radio 1 breakfast show.

This is the most old fogey conversation I've had.

Roman numerals and Charlie XPX.

Okay, so we get to the station.

We get to the station.

They park up, very annoying car park where I park opposite Didcot station, where they don't charge you on the way in.

You have to do the Ringo.

If you forget to do the Ringo, they charge you £120.

What's the Ringo?

I don't know.

The parking, parking, ringo, parking.

You have to do it on your phone.

And it's one of those where you obviously don't have the app because you can't be asked.

So then you have to ring this number and it's someone going,

you are in parking bay 16454.

Please confirm that you've already walked two miles away.

You go, I've got to go back to that thing.

And it's like, you have paid to park for two minutes.

No, I want more than anyway.

It's that, yeah.

I thought Do the Ringo was you had to lead into the intercom and be like, peace and love.

I just wanted to park me down there.

Peace out.

And famously, the Ringo app replaced the Pete Best app.

Yes, I did that, but remember to do it.

What I do now, because I've been, you know, because I get caught out three or four times a year, for which I call the idiot tax, I pay the parking before I leave the car.

Good.

That's the new rule.

Otherwise.

Even if the train is leaving, you've got one minute to get the training.

Even if the train is leaving, I don't want to get done on here.

So run across the road.

Question, interruption.

How much is your parking at Didcot Station?

Oh,

620.

For the day?

For the day.

It's not bad at all.

I've gone through Didcot Parkway.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, yeah.

That's when I'm going to the south out of London.

Is it heading to Brighton?

No, no, no, no.

You're heading to the West Country.

Yes, I am.

You're heading to the West Country if you're into College.

Okay, great.

And we're on the train.

It's 39 Minutes to Town.

Now, on the train, I listened to, I've got a,

I enjoyed a cover I heard of a Chet Baker song.

Chet Baker song was I Get Along Without You Very Well.

I love Chet Baker.

And it was by a woman called Honan Ford.

Oh, yeah.

Honan Ford.

He's a sort of jazzy folky singer.

And I thought, I wonder what else she does.

Anyway, I found a song by her called I Wish I Had a God.

And if I like a song, I will listen to it over and over and over again on a loop.

So it's quite a sad song.

I like sad songs.

My wife tells me I like sad songs because I've never had that much sad happen in my life.

So people who've had genuinely sad stuff don't particularly play sad songs all the time, but in a vain attempt to actually feel something.

I like sad songs.

Does the song go,

I'm coming in on me trawler i've got a lovely lobster going to the market trying to sell it to a restaurant

no no it's a sort of gentle song about i wish i had a god so i feel like we'd meet again you know uh someone's died in the song as always you listened to that 12 times to get to from didcot to london i think i listened to that from didcot to news uk wow okay the most somber ever piece of broadcasting is about to follow this it's a beautiful day day in England.

Sad songs don't make me feel like that.

They make they sound songs sort of calm,

I find they calm me.

It feels like a meditation

and listening to the same song over and over again.

Did go to Paddington?

Yeah.

Yeah, did go to Paddington.

Did to Paddington, Paddington to where?

Baker Street.

Change at Baker Street and Baker Street to London Bridge.

Right.

So that's a lot of that song.

Yeah.

Yeah, but sometimes you not realise you're hearing the song.

yeah, it's just sort of on, I guess.

And once again, I love that you've got a three-hour show on a National Sports Radio Station, another opportunity to consume some sport.

So, what happened in the Club World Cup yesterday, you know, five live football daily, whatever, just something, oh no, just something, no.

Let's listen to this sad song by Honan Ford called I Wish I Had a God

that discusses, you know, meeting up with your partner when you're dead, you know, and if you have a God, do you feel like you're going to do that?

You know, light a birthday candle for me so I feel like it's my birthday, that sort of thing, you know.

But she's a beautiful singer, isn't it?

When you discover something sort of fresh and not even new, like I only recently discovered like

the band, the band that played for Bob Dylan.

Yeah.

The band album.

Yeah, it's great.

I only discovered Bob Dylan about three years ago and went, oh, this is amazing.

But it's great because you go, I've got the, I now have got a whole new million hours of music that I can listen to and find, you know.

you're telling people about it like you know with the threat of nuclear war hanging after the cubic missile crisis you're saying the answer is blowing in the wind for the first yeah hey hey guys you know give peace a chance i don't know if you've heard of these guys

do you just go on the radio then having done just in a sort of i will react to people saying stuff or are they going to go and now we cross to charlie with all the latest from no no no no no no no I do myself down where I do do some research and if you do it long enough you are across what is going on and there's the whatsapp group right there's the whatsapp group yeah i will say the whatsapp group we have been putting the show i haven't sort of said this but we have been putting the show together

Paul Hawksby, who is amazing, I'm going to do the show with on a Tuesday and a Thursday, and the producers and I are chucking stuff into the WhatsApp group.

Maybe we can put this on.

This is happening.

So I am across, of course, what is going on.

Actually, I'll tell you what, these are the voice notes of sad songs.

Yeah, sorry.

Yeah, yeah.

So also, while I was listening to the sad songs, I thought I've not spoken to quite a lot of my actual friends for a while.

I started emailing a few of my friends.

One of them's moved to Italy since I last spoke to him.

Oh, wow.

Had twins and moved to Italy.

You emailed him?

No, sorry, WhatsApped him.

I WhatsApped him.

How close a friend is that you didn't know that had twins?

No, no, he was a very close friend, but I'm not very good at keeping, I'm not very good at keeping in touch or staying in touch with friends if there's no sort of immediate proximity.

I'd just be worried if when you got into talksport, they were like, oh, there's been a rainstorm and no one can talk to you because I would be following the similar pattern to Max last week.

And in fact, all of your friends are either moving abroad or pretending they can't talk to you for technical reasons.

That's exactly what it is.

They've all moved abroad.

Everyone's gone.

Do you pick up some lunch?

You know, it's got to be via prep.

No, no, no, no, no.

I don't.

I don't do that.

I always go to the canteen.

So, okay.

And also, the meeting I was supposed to have, we rearranged to have for 10 minutes at sort of 12:30-ish before the show.

Right, okay.

So, when do you get in?

So, I get in about 11, 11:15.

Okay.

Check out the vibes, as they say, see what we've already got in the show.

No one wants to hear about how you put a radio show together.

Well, let me, because we don't get talk sport here,

so are we covering the world of sport on this show?

It's 90% football.

And

no, no, actually, actually, the show in the week, I'd say, is

mainly football-based.

But you'll have been on Hawksby and Jacobs.

You'll have been on it, David.

I've never been on it.

You must have.

Even my sporting world is all Gaelic football and hurling at the moment, you know?

So the Hawksby and Jacobs show

Max is in the family of the Hawksby and Jacobs show.

Hawksby and Jacobs have been going for 25 years on talk sport they produced Bedelin Skinner's fantasy football back in the day and Paul edited 90 minutes yeah they both written for lots of comedians Paul I know has written for Frankie Howard two Ronnies

one of the main writers on TV burp

and their show is completely unique in uh radio in the fact that it is a three-hour show of

yes sport but also the arts media great a bit like me and charlie's show and me and barry's show but it's unlike any other

they will have guests on who have nothing to do with sport they have both have an intense interest in

i'd say sport and the arts so what do you discuss on the show yesterday we had in the show yesterday this was a new one on me in the studio

they're fighting saturday night they came into the studio and sat next to each other.

Whoa.

Bare-knuckle boxers.

Shit.

And do they hate each other or do they straight up do not like each other?

Bare-knuckle box.

Imagine that being

your job.

Yeah.

You'd do it in jeans, Charlie, and that is an issue.

I would do it in jeans.

Charlie, the jeans baker.

Did you ask?

Because I want to say it must really hurt.

Why don't you put girls in it?

That's the sort of thing I do try and ask.

One question I did ask, which was, when you first did it, because they started as boxers,

I said, when you first did it, did you walk to the ring and think, I don't know, I've forgotten something?

Yeah, where's my gloves?

But because it's a small sport and they're obviously trying to get publicity for it by going on the radio,

do they actually not straight up don't like each other?

Are they kind of friends?

Do you get the impression that they came in the same taxi?

You either get that in boxing with boxers or you get there's a high level of respect, David.

Yeah, sure.

It's a very, very,

very high level of respect.

One guy was like he was from us, he was from Massachusetts, and he was like a proper, I'm fourth generation bare knuckle boxer.

He was like out of a, not even a Scorsese film, like a sort of made-for-TV Channel 5.

Hallmark.

Hallmark Christmas.

Hallmark film.

Bare knuckle boxing film.

Bare knuckle boxing film.

Hey, forget about it.

I'm just here to make some money for my family.

Yes, it's great to be here, sir.

Okay.

You know what?

I got the belt.

And he had this massive belt on him.

And

the other guy was from the valleys in Wales and

was a nice guy, but didn't have an awful lot to say.

Right.

He lets his bare knuckles do the talking.

He does, he does.

How do you think you'd get on in a bare knuckle?

Ever had a fight, David?

You had ever had a fight?

I've never had a fight in the sense of me unbuttoning my shirt and handing it to my corner man.

That sounds sexy.

That sort of a thing.

But there's been some flash points certainly cycling cycling i imagine there's some flash points because you're scared of being knocked off your bike yeah but that's more just shouting at cars and stuff like that you i've never no the last time i got punched and attempted to punch someone i did a gig in swindon and someone stole my bag with the keyboard in it

which is just one of the worst things to steal because i think they would imagine it's a large enough bag.

It's going to have, it's full of jewels or whatever, but it's got a keyboard that's literally $15 on eBay edit.

So with him, he punched me, took it.

I punched sort of the back of his shoulder and then did manage to kick him up the hole as he went away.

Well done.

Did he drop the bag?

No, he didn't drop the bag.

No.

And now he is performing in Edinburgh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's David Letterman's keyboard player, isn't isn't he?

He's the fan guy in Letterman, isn't he?

It's unbelievable.

Tim Minchin.

That guy is Tim Minchin.

You kicked him up the arse, though.

That's quite an old school sort of whizzer and chips fight.

Yeah.

Why isn't that a sport?

That's the one they should bring in.

Asking him up the arse.

That is such a good idea.

Kicked him out the arse.

You get one go each.

One go each until someone says, actually, ask him nothing else.

The problem with kicking up the arse, I feel, is that as technique has come more into into it, you go from the side on.

Whereas, if you watch rugby in the 1970s, when they used to kick the ball, they took three steps straight back and toe-bogged it.

And that to me is the classic arts.

I think I'd go for toe, I'd go for end of foot in anus.

But you wouldn't want to be in, you wouldn't be in Birkenstocks, do you?

You don't want to be in there.

No, no, no.

Not open toe.

Depends if you're a barefoot

artist or

have Iana league.

That's bad.

But you have to share.

Can I have my flip-flop back after you've kicked some of the hall?

Yeah.

And there's no running away either in the flip-flop league.

There is, but with scrunched toes.

Okay, great.

Okay.

I was just going to say that show on Talksport, we say it is a really good show.

Both Charlie and I have sat in and hosted that show and done that show together.

There are people who have an image of what Talksport is, and this is the antithesis of what that image is.

And it's a really lovely, sensitive show broadcast by two, two great friends of ours who are brilliant.

It's brilliant.

It's absolutely brilliant and deserves, actually deserves to be platformed at some point by something else because it's a sensational piece of work.

It's brilliant.

And it's such company for people.

Radio is company for people, but the messages you get on that show and it's after five live I go, not you, Baker.

After five live I go.

Well, I did pitch the new thing yesterday, which is the PH test, the Paul Hawksby test, the PH test, which we did on air, which was quite fun, actually.

Okay.

I think Paul Hawksby is one of the best storytellers and sort of joke tellers ever.

And I said,

so with your best story, you've got to try and get into the Paul Hawksby Hall of Fame.

It's the PH test.

So we had three callers lined up.

They all had to tell their best story.

Okay.

And were they good?

Well, the first one was absolutely fantastic.

Oh, good.

It was about a bloke who'd gone for a job interview.

He was nervous and he shook the guy's hand, and the bloke's hand came off.

Great.

That's amazing.

So, yeah, that got in.

That got into the Hall of Fame.

The other two didn't.

Absolutely.

Okay.

That's the other thing about radio is you can come up with an idea, you can have a go at it.

And Paul and our Andy are always up for having a go at it.

And Yeah, do you like Max's?

You know, we run, we run with it.

How long is the broadcast then?

Three hours, wow, okay, three hours.

But literally, you finish, you walk out, and that's it.

There's no like and now a debrief, and now this and that, and then out the door on the tube.

Do you put the same sad song on?

Well, I put it.

No, actually, I did put it on, and then I went, yeah, I'm not in the mood for that.

I don't want to hear that now, not into that now.

I'll get that sometimes with, I mean, I think of the times I listen to a song over and over, some of the Tom Waite songs.

Oh, yes, another new artist you will discover in the next few years.

You joke.

I listened to.

Oh, what album is it?

What's it got on it?

Looking for the heart of Saturday Night.

Oh, yeah, that's the name of the album.

I went, well, I think this is the greatest song of all time.

Yeah.

And now I'm going to tell everybody about this.

Absolutely incredible.

And Martha, what a song Martha is, and unbelievable.

Martha's a classic song that the first time I listened to it, I listened to it probably 20 times in a row and probably haven't felt the need to listen to it it that much since then because it tells a beautiful thing.

Well, you write your own songs, David.

Do you ever think I want to play this song and sing it?

Do you ever feel like you want to do covers?

Sometimes I'll play a cover in an encore, but with a song like that, there's not much to add to it because you'd have to say he's done a very good version of it.

I wonder if Charlie was just leaning towards just asking if you'd come and like do a party for him, but we just can just

get into the groove.

boom boom boom let me hear you say way up david just wondering david o'dotti sings the out here brothers i'm here for this

that's an album i would buy

i once uh stayed up till four in the morning with grayson perry the artist yeah we were camping for a tv show and we were back cycling up a mountain at 7 a.m in Wales and we stayed up too late and I had a piano with me, but the one song we both knew all the lyrics to was Martha by Tom Waits.

Oh, we sang that over and over again through the Welsh.

Have you ever heard that song?

I haven't.

If it wasn't on Fern Cotton's Sounds of the 90s, then I haven't heard it recently.

But I will know, I will go and find it.

David recommended a piece of jazz the other day, and I listened to lots of it.

What jazz was it?

What jazz was it?

Brad Meldow.

Yeah, there's a guy called Brad Meldow who's a piano player of the modern style.

The Brad Meldow trio trios.

They are fantastic.

Yeah, yeah.

And do you know what?

I listened to it and I was like, because David went to see him and he's a friend of David's and I was like, okay, and I didn't know it was.

And so I listened to it as I was walking down Sydney Road in Melbourne.

It's a beautiful winter's day.

And it's the kind of music that makes you sort of think like.

a narrator is going to start narrating and it's you you're narrating and he's going to say something really profound and as i was walking along i was like i just can't wait for this profound thing to fall into my mind and nothing profound came into it.

I don't think that's the music.

I just think I was just thinking, and I need to bit some peanut butter and I really want this baby to stay asleep.

You'd never have a Prad Meldo track playing while the voiceover was like, barbecues down to 99.99 this week.

The barbecue's delore.

Maybe the ass kicking championship is to the Brad Meldow trio.

And what do you listen to on the train back?

I don't think I listened to anything.

When I've done,

I put the tennis on.

That's what I did.

I absolutely love tennis and the tennis.

Oh, actually, that was one thing.

I had an email yesterday saying, oh, I've drawn you in the, I'm in it, I've joined a tennis club.

I'm not particularly good, but there's an inter-club tournament.

Shit happens.

I've drawn you in the club tournament.

Are you free this Friday?

And actually, I'm actually free this Friday.

You're like, oh, no, no.

Regards, C.

Biggins.

Are you furious?

I'm Christopher Christopher Biggins from children's television.

I think it's Christopher Biggins, but a bit of me hoping.

He's got a fancy chances against Biggins.

A bit of me is going, if it's Biggins, I can beat Biggins.

His court coverage can't be good these days.

If it was Timmy Mallet, I would be severe.

His serve famously, he hammers it down the tram line.

Biggins, yeah.

He's 76, Biggins.

Yeah, I could take him.

I could take him.

He was a pantomime dame most of the time, wasn't he?

I think he still is, yeah.

So he could be dressed as a dame.

Yes.

Okay, well, good luck against c biggins in the is that a best of three sets or is that best of three sets yeah i'm not expecting to win not expecting to win is it clay

this is like roland garroth your normal club cement cementy synthetic yeah painted green surface got it okay it'd be good if they were playing on like ambrosia creamed rice or something like that just a real curveball surface that well there is the chat about because um With tennis, you know, the surfaces do change and you have to get used to each surface.

There has been chat about they should change the surface in other sports

to get the football sand season.

Now, we're going to the sand season.

Oh, don't need that.

But not many sports change surface throughout the season.

Cycling has just, I think the tour de France has got one off-road, like just not off-road stage, but sort of white roads, they call them in the tour of Italy.

Is it Rubé?

Is it Paris Rubet?

That's the cobbles, yeah, yeah.

That's nice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then the uh, the tour of Deutschland, where they just cycle across Haribo the whole time.

Famously difficult abstraction on the super source.

Obviously, very different on Star Mix compared to Sour Tang Fast Picks.

Different tires.

Those giant strawberries, they look easy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What time are we back at Didcot?

So I'd always try and get the 432.

Did not get the 432.

Tube's so hot, everyone was annoying.

So I got the five o'clock and back in Didcot for 5.39, 5.40.

Right.

And in the car, do you listen to, you know, drive time with, yeah, I don't know, Wizzo and Biffer on Radio 1?

Normally, my favorite drive show is Johnny Vaughan on Radio X.

He's excellent, very funny.

But yesterday I had to put the tennis on.

on the radio.

I just need to take one step back.

Tell me about the tube on a really hot day.

I know this is mundanity for you, but again, we don't have talk sport.

We don't have a tube in Dublin that we know of.

Maybe there is one that we've just never been made aware of.

So is it punishingly hot?

A secret one.

Have you got the windows open at the incredible

sound of?

I know, but on the tube, there's the windows between the carriages so that you hear the really loud rattling of the wheels.

I'll tell you what's never good on the tube is when someone comes through the doors at the end of the carriage.

That's never good news.

It's never good news.

It's never good news.

Someone coming through those doors.

That's just me looking for a friendly face to sit beside and have a chat.

What are your favorite things about London?

Just things that Londoners really enjoy.

David, it is awful.

In the blistering heat, the humidity is high in London, absolutely crazy on a hot day.

You're in jeans.

I'm in jeans, but I have to just put my ears in, just get on with it.

And are you just before rush hour or is it already absolutely rush?

Just before rush hour.

But I know I do it so often that I know if I get in the end carriage at London Bridge, when I step off at Baker Street, I'm right in front.

I know exactly the place to stand that I'm right in front of the cut through that gets me to the Baker Street thing.

And then I know exactly the carriage to get on to get off at the right door at Paddington.

You're a pro.

You're a pro.

I'm a True Tube pro now.

Do you get on for free at Baker Street because if you're Charlie Baker?

Well, you'd hope, wouldn't you?

Yeah.

I know Jerry Rafferty.

Yeah, he gets on

free.

If your name is the name of the stations, you know, yeah, exactly.

Barry Cockfosters.

Whoa, we got there at the same time.

Radio guys.

Same time, radio guys.

Too long.

It's been too long.

We went for nearly the same name and the same tube station

to the listeners from overseas.

Cockfosters is a tube station with a funny name.

There is a hundred and something different tube stations that they could have gone for, of which 15 have kind of funny names, and they both went for the and it would have actually been funnier if we'd gone for like

Tim Piccadilly line.

Say them bois.

That's really funny.

Fruit one.

Fruit one.

Oh, made me laugh.

Do you want to hear more about the travels on the tube, David?

All we've had.

Ah, mammy, will you tell us about the tube, mammy?

But all

when you went to London.

Listeners are thinking, this is a guy who's had one piece of apricot jam on top of

a banana.

I'm so sorry.

I am trying to eat less.

I will say that.

I am trying to eat.

But this isn't how you do that, just by starving yourself all day.

I had a jacket potato with tuna and sweet corn, a bag of peanut MMs.

And two mint teas.

That's interesting because in a three-hour show, I would have a cup of tea at one.

You know, when the music's playing out, I have one.

Two, and I don't have one.

You don't have one at three o'clock.

All right, interesting.

I used to have a three o'clock biscuit.

I'd bring in some biscuits and we'd have a three o'clock biscuit.

Really made the last hour sing.

Yeah.

Okay, so we're back home now.

Back home now.

And what time is it now?

6, 6:15.

And I've been going to the gym.

I've joined the gym for about three or four months.

I'm going to the gym.

I am 50 next year.

And I've been

fat on and off, up and down various levels of fat since my mid-20s.

Okay.

And I don't love it.

I'd never put you in that category because you own it so well and you've always been so nimble.

To me, you're stocky.

You know what I mean?

You're a meaty, a fleshy guy, you know?

Yeah.

I am sort of countryside large is what I sort of say.

It's sort of,

I

have decided, and it sounds like a midlife crisis.

Okay, you can be stocky, but you don't have to be as large as it's when your clothes are pushing the edges of XL.

You go, yeah, I don't think XXL should actually exist.

You don't want to just shop solely at Giacomo.

You want to have some of those and some others.

And also, I am sporty, right?

I am sporty.

I can run around.

I do, you know, I am very physical.

I'm a dancer, you know, all those things.

Very physical.

So it's like you don't really have an, it probably is just you're not doing enough exercise and putting too much in your gob and drinking too much beer.

So what are we doing at the gym?

I put shorts on.

First thing I do is put shorts on a real treat for the ladies.

Now, immediately, do you, on putting the shorts on, regret your decision of Earth?

Like, it seems crazy that you're in Berks with socks, jeans, on the tube journey.

You've just taken us on.

I didn't feel too hot all day.

No, my temperature was regulated.

I love shorts as well.

If I'm left to my own devices on holiday, I will just be shorts and bare feet till we have to go home.

So, shorts on, kit on, off to the gym.

Do okay, we want to hear what I do at the gym.

Yeah, that doesn't feel very interesting to me.

Bare knuckle, he bare knuckles everyone else working.

I go in, I knock out the guy on reception, kick him up the ass, say, turn around.

I'll go first, then it's your turn.

He says to me, Somebody did that to me the other day.

And also, do you want to buy a keyboard?

I do.

10 minutes on the recumbent bike.

Great.

I love cycling, David.

I've done loads of cycling.

I've done the Dartmoor Challenge, which was sort of 70 miles over Dartmoor.

I'm planning to cycle to Paris, that Avenue there, the green road.

And the fittest I've been in the last 20 years is when I was doing loads of cycling.

But I've got a bit of the fear.

I've got a bit scared that this is one exercise I can do where you might not come home.

Oh, sorry.

Cycling on the roads.

Yeah.

Can you not find, though, a quiet.

See, I've got a big 3,000-acre park near me where you can cycle around it infinitely with the main danger is by deer, you know, as opposed to cars.

Yeah.

Also, I will advocate the device that attaches on to the back wheel of your bike, there's one behind me, and Bluetooth to your laptop so you can ride famous mountains from the Tour de France, from the basement of your barn.

See, not that you can just go online while cycling.

That doesn't seem to help.

You can do a spreadsheet while you're on the A4.

That feels, if anything, worse.

The problem with the Tour and Francis here, they're just on screens the whole time.

They're just refreshing.

They're checking their Instagrams.

I've got a rolling road thing, not a rolling road, a turbo trainer, they call it.

And it's the sweatiest thing I've had in my life.

And it's in the garage, and I prefer to do it in the winter for some reason.

Exactly.

But I do actually love cycling.

And I like the recumbent.

That is one where your arse is down low.

You're almost bobs.

No, not bob sleighing, but you're sitting on a low stool while pedaling out in front.

Yeah.

I like that at the gym because I don't feel like I'm going to get any sort of saddle sores.

Yeah.

Anything like that, you know?

So I do 10 minutes on that as a warm-up.

And then I do, I've discovered doing weights and lifting heavy weights.

And I absolutely love it.

I don't know if you do it, but it makes you feel so good.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I still do it and I just feel sad the whole time.

But it makes you physically feel like you're completely stretched.

Yeah.

It feels like you're sort of revving up your internal furnace.

Wow.

Wow.

That's the name of your motivational book.

But also, it's good to be strong, right?

Strength is key, especially as you get older.

Yeah.

I guess so.

I just, I've always wanted a life where I get this sort of workout through, like, even throwing frisbee with my brother in the park or whatever, as opposed to 50 kg frisbee, yeah,

the pointless manual labor of and then the intense atmosphere of gyms where everyone else is looking at themselves in the mirror.

And well, this gym is a bar, it's a very nice gym, it's in an old barn.

There are sort of 80-year-olds in there, there are teenagers in there, there's everybody in there, no one's looking at anyone.

It's a very nice, it's a real barn life, this, yeah.

Yeah, I love barns.

Yeah, are you Amish?

Although you wouldn't have have done the radio.

I'm Arm-ish.

Yesterday my son told me, you either push or you pull.

Do one or the other.

Don't do both because you're sort of cancelling what you're doing out.

I don't know if that's right or not.

So yesterday I was pushing.

So I did chests, 120 pounds, 50 kgs.

Chests, two sets of 12.

I lift a heavy ball off the floor to the sky and put it back on the floor 20 times.

This is my favorite.

I had a personal trainer.

Have we talked about this on the pod where basically there was a like a 50 kg big ball when I was probably going to the gym?

I mean, I just don't go at all now.

And he would pick it up and put it on a box.

And I would have to pick it up and put it on the floor.

And like halfway through, I was like, how many billion years of evolution have led to this moment where

this is a

place to answer?

Once upon a time, you'd have had to do that.

But if you do a job where you sit down all the time and just talk you see what i prefer to do is i have a 50 kilogram toothbrush yeah and i just do my teeth with that

120 80 pen that i write books for children with this how i get my work

it's made of lead very heavy clothes to walk around in a very heavy hat

your neck okay so you've done all these exercises yeah loads of exercises yeah exactly.

It's boring.

This is the thing.

People put this shit online.

They talk about the gym workout all the time.

It's for yourself.

It's purely for yourself.

You feel the sweet release, though, of post-workout

chemicals afterwards.

So I do a 10-minute warm-up and then I do waits for 20 minutes and then I do 30 minutes on the cross trainer.

Whoa.

That's the machine.

There's not just a PT who gets angry.

30 minutes on your trainer.

I don't trust the cross trainer.

I don't trust it.

I think it's like breaststroke.

I'm just not sure it's doing anything.

No, you don't think it's doing anything.

Oh, I don't hold the handles.

I don't hold the handles.

All right.

Do you get on with the feet as well?

Just stand next to it.

Just stand next to it.

Look at it.

And while I was doing that, I was watching Jack Draper at Wimbledon.

Okay, cool.

All right.

Went home.

Yeah.

My father-in-law was at home.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

Who'd pop round to see the family?

Okay.

Very nice man, Doug.

I bought tickets for us to go to Lord's.

So I told him about that.

Is anyone else there?

My daughter was there.

Yeah.

She loves her granddad, so that's nice.

He was trying.

My wife had bought him three pairs of shoes.

Because when you get older, I think shoes is an important thing, right?

He's in his mid-80s.

That's a.

Yep.

Jim, my father has just recently moved to the wider fitting shoe.

You know, I guess things kind of

just spread out as you get older.

Saga pod.

Now we're doing shoe

shoe talk.

Shoes for 80-year-olds.

Yeah.

He's this an idea?

You asked what I did yesterday.

This is what I did yesterday.

It's always a risk, isn't it?

All human life is here.

Okay, so has she lined them up sort of game show style, three in three boxes?

Yeah, three different closed boxes.

Okay, oh, wow, how exciting.

Yeah.

Noel Edmonds is there too.

This is good.

He chooses two of the pairs, so she did very well.

Oh, wow.

She did very, very well.

In one of the boxes is a brick, and Mr.

Blobby comes out there and just beats him over the head with.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that's the thing.

What a way out that would be for old people.

Oh, no.

I was going to say, Sister Dying is Mr.

Blobby and a brick.

That's why people thought the bill was quite controversial.

Feels quite cruel.

It doesn't feel as respectful an end as we meant.

Jimbo and hostess.

You've got three boxes here.

Just as you can.

How old are you, Peter?

I'm 92, Jim.

You've got terribly wide feet.

Yes.

Yes, Jim.

I just feel like my life's lost purpose, to be honest.

I've got older.

I feel a bit cut off.

You know, they're not very well.

Okay.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Okay, so it takes two of the shoes.

This is good.

Yeah, okay, let's have some dinner.

We had leftovers, which was cold chicken, cold salmon from yesterday, some new potatoes, and some capers and rocket.

You're great.

And who's at dinner, healthy?

Is Doug stay for dinner?

Doug stayed for dinner, my wife and my daughter.

But she's already eaten, but she's sitting with us drawing.

Okay.

Now, it's hot, right?

Kids love the heat.

You know, when we are getting towards

8:30, 100% bedtime.

Yeah.

She is nowhere near going to bed.

I remember this.

I remember this time, though, because you're like, it's the brightest time of the year.

Yeah.

It feels like you're on holidays.

People are having the crack downstairs, probably still.

New shoes.

Woo!

Mr.

Blobby's here.

Go to bed, love.

Come on.

Kids aren't going to bed if Mr.

Blobby's in the house about to kill your granddad.

With a brick.

Right.

And how old is she?

She is nine.

Nine.

Okay, right.

So she doesn't want to go to bed.

And who's in charge?

She doesn't want to go to bed.

She doesn't want to go to school.

She doesn't want to go to bed.

She's absolutely lovely, you know.

But it's sort of done by committee.

Right.

Oh, in the meantime, my son's come home.

Stanley's come home.

Great.

And then gone back out again.

He can drive now.

He comes in, eats something, gets back in the car, goes out, sees his mates.

That's what happens with teenagers, yeah i mean this is now just a day drifting away isn't it that's what normally happens this is why we concentrate on the mornings more than the evening anyway what time do you think she went to sleep what time do you think she went to sleep 10 it's still bright at 10.

so we put her to bed at nine yeah in bed and she was up and down up and down until i'd say 11.

wow

came and lay on

the sofa with me while I was watching bangers and cash that we try i enjoy is that where wimbledon champion pat cash fixes up old cars with gary bangers

gary bangers doesn't know anything about cars but they needed someone to go with pat cash so yeah yeah yeah what is bangers and cash bangers and cash they they they find old cars in people's barn finds you know what a barn find is david yes i know what a barn finds only watch shows based in barns

true i've said the word barn a lot

And they'll do them up and sell them at auction.

And it's relaxing television.

Has Mrs.

Baker gone to bed by this stage?

Mrs.

Baker has gone to watch Love Island upstairs in our bedroom.

Another aspect of barn life.

Has she gone out with a pitchfork to protest against some modern technology that's coming to the village?

Someone had an electric sandwich.

I can't watch.

It makes me itch.

Love Island and those shows, it makes me itch.

I've just got a bit of lost time between between sort of dinner finishing and just Wimbledon, just tennis.

Tennis, tennis, tennis.

Trying to get your daughter to bed.

Tennis, tennis, tennis.

Trying to get my daughter to bed.

So the constant fight of getting your children to bed is just always there.

And she came out again at about 11, 11.15, said, I can't sleep.

I'm too hot.

All those things.

So I said, right, lie on me.

And did she say, have you been working out, Dad?

Is that what you're saying?

She said, Dad, your triceps,

they're too hard to sleep, daddy.

You must have been doing so much work on the cross trainer.

And did watching some middle-aged man fix up a ford cortina from 1978 that'll normally do the trick with a nine-year-old you imagine that everyone's having such fun and then you keep coming out for fake glasses of water and you're like i'm gonna stay here and join this revelry and it's the grimmest i've got a headache i've got a tummy ache all those things you know and then

still wouldn't really go bangers and cash could also be pat cash travels around england eating the best sausages yeah that's yes yeah Yeah, that is good.

That would be very good.

A sausage tour of the world of Europe.

Yeah.

Well, didn't Gokuan used to call boobs bangers as well?

Oh, did you?

So that could be.

Well, that would be nice.

Late night with Pat Cash.

Bangers and Cash could just be is quite a that is basically just paying for sex.

That's not really a TV show.

Jesus Christ.

But in his headband, in his famous headband.

Of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In the 1987 Wimbledon getup, if that was the year.

And

so.

So she won't go to sleep.

She just won't go to sleep.

She won't go to bed, won't go to sleep.

It's too hot.

When do you just give up as a parent?

You just go, okay, just stay there.

I said, why don't you go back to bed and try?

Yeah.

And she did.

Went back to bed.

And then I thought, oh, I think she's asleep.

That's good.

That means I can go to bed.

It's about...

half 11, quarter 12.

And then I turned all the lights off and then she wasn't asleep.

And my wife took over from there, and I went to bed.

My wife went and lay down next to her, which meant she was just going to sleep there all night.

Do you think your wife did that because she knew it was your yesterday?

And so she was like, Yeah, I want to do this.

What did the hero figure?

I hadn't thought of that, Max.

She bookended the day, bookend the day.

Mrs.

Baker is the hero of this.

The day sort of fizzled out, you know.

Charlie, do you think, with the greatest respect to your abode, do you think this is the one time maybe the barn, because I would imagine the barn has a large roof and therefore the heat beats down on the roof.

You know what I mean?

That it does stay quite warm.

It does stay warm, but it's because it's when they did it.

Well, the trouble with modern houses, if we want to get into this, it's real.

The trouble with modern houses, David.

Insulation.

The insulation, and it's sort of basically wrapped in tin foil, our house.

Right, yeah.

So yesterday was particularly hot.

That's the hottest it's ever been.

Yeah, question: Did you have like a cold beer at some point?

No, I didn't have any drink.

I'm not drinking till Thursday because our son is playing in his band on Thursday, so we know we're going to go out for a few on Thursday night.

Okay, so I had some Mexican lime soda water

throughout the evening, which is very, very nice.

I'm just pretending it's a beer going on.

Pretending I'm having a drink.

Oh, yes, I'd love it.

I'd absolutely love a whole bottle of wine and then another one and four beers.

But no, don't do it.

You know, shouting obscenities at bangers and cash your daughter lying on your leg yeah

exactly so you know basically got up went to work came home put the kids to bed is it a good day it feels like a good day to me it feels like a nice day it's a pretty average day it's an average day and i know that i like my job i love my family i like being physical and let's find out how i get on about chris biggin no it's not christopher biggins it's christopher playing tennis but i love wimbledon you

So many things you love in that day.

Yeah.

I like it as a day because,

you know, in this climate in which we live, the winter is quite different to the summer.

We're not in LA here, whereby there is the short, tense, Irish-y-English summer that may only last for a few more weeks.

And then we're in

this blinking autumn, basically.

And in December, you will have almost forgotten.

You know, every year, the summer surprises me that, particularly when I go to London, that it is just so stuffy.

And this will be a good one to listen to in December, where it gets bright at 11 o'clock and dark at 25 past 11.

And yeah, you have to remind that you do get your bones warmed at some point in this, you know.

Yeah.

You need warm bones and you go, oh, God, when it's those that long.

But I love all, I like, I like all the seasons, Dave.

I do suspect it'd be easier to bare knucklebox in the winter, though, just with the added heat and sweat involved.

That's what style of fighter you are, I guess.

I mean, I just the monosyllabic man from the valleys just sounded like he was just passing and

his arse handed to him by this sort of gritty four-foot Manhattan guy going, Put him up, put him up.

He's like, I just went to get a penny.

Just went to get some milk.

What's going on here?

I'm gonna take you down.

I'm gonna take this guy down,

take the downtown.

There we are.

At the end of it, it feels boring.

Like we'd had more of a laugh earlier, but you know, that's the day, I suppose.

You look at your life in Minusha and you go, hmm.

Common mistake there.

This, for some reason, appears as a comedy podcast, whereas it's a purely journalistic exercise.

Yeah, it's a fact-finding mission with life improvement now.

It's become a self-help.

And then where do you feel, as people experienced in people's yesterdays, of all our yesterdays, where do you feel I could improve my life?

Oh.

Wow.

Oh, Oh, we're not here to answer those.

We're not here to answer that, but I feel you put a very impassioned case forward for going to the gym.

Like the fact that you bloody loved us, because normally the gym doesn't get that sort of thing.

Especially late at night.

Especially late at night to have definitely.

Well, it wasn't too late.

It was sort of successful.

The gym after 11 a.m.

is just, oh, I can't be out.

You've got to get up and do it.

That's the only way I can do it.

But obviously, you just slept for two hours.

That was amazing.

Maybe I'm not doing it hard enough.

Yeah.

Hey, Charlie.

Thanks for coming on.

Well, thank you for having me.

Twice.

Two of my favorite people.

And I've done this podcast twice.

The only person.

You are.

We haven't had a guest back before.

You're the first person.

I mean, it's amazing.

What a treat.

What a treat.

Thank you, Charlie.

Thanks, Charlie Baker.

Thank you.

Well, I, for one, David, really enjoyed that that episode of What Did You Do Yesterday.

Did you enjoy this episode of What Did You Do Yesterday?

I really enjoyed that episode of What Did You Do Yesterday, Max.

I did too, David.

Did you enjoy it?

Everything is showbiz.

Yeah, me too.

Did you enjoy it?

They're just normal cheeses.

Thank you, Charlie Baker.

You're a good man.

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Oh, you didn't record a goodbye, so goodbye, everybody.

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